beta-discussion

[median sandal]

Arrivederci

[clear spoke]

iirc IOS tries to claim a small cut of the profits and as a result prices increase? not sure

also @fallen heath yes oml

[sharp ice]

what is happening now

[wispy harness]

😐

[spark lance]

Whaaaa😂 only English here hehe.
Have y’all a good day♥️

[median sandal]

^ this
Candlerunning is becoming useless and redundant because most of the new cosmetics require money. Once you've gotten what most ts have to offer, you've already gotten everything that candles can get you

[worldly lodge]

iap pricing,
cat hair
stick (Marshmellow prop)
increased prices across platforms
toxic or not toxic chat
burn out and missing old sky
rip feedback

[analog sun]

Great! im glad you got my idea haha i had a specific game in mind when i sent that:

In prison architect, there was some turmoil over the company selling players buggy dlc versions when popular free community mods with the same concept have existed long before them

Which is why it feels kinda icky to me to just willingly give concept art to companies
While i had many daydreams of potential sky cosmetics, the idea of even letting tgc know about them and risk being disappointed cause of iaps leaves me displeased

[agile hazel]

I googled it and while the info I'm seeing messy, the common thing theme is that some playstore apps are more expensive than apple store and vice versa. So it's not Sky specific and TGC wouldn't have control over it

[livid ridge]

Are we still fighting for the cat hair or not seem like the rage has burned out for now

[sacred granite]

Not only are IAP messy with concepts, no credit being given? What can a small artist do against a million dollar company sweats.

[limpid crown]

Honestly the topic here is a complete mess

[ocean cedar]

I just hope we get 2 IGC cosmetics for mischief this year

[spark lance]

Definitely 😂👀

[blissful gulch]

And don't forget about that literally the jelly hair, the baby blanket cape and the eblanket cape from the ultímate gift are totally recycled copypaste from the Sanctuary season but with some more details XDDD

[primal flame]

(Sorry if this seems rudeits 5 am I'm no thought head empty, and obvious but people don't tend to remember to do obvious things when angry) Have any of you actually posted in beta feedback about this or are you just ranting into the void?

[sharp ice]

dang-

[median sandal]

Lel posting in beta feedback is like talking to a blackhole

[sacred granite]

discussing opinions with your fellow sky kids is not ranting into the void. There are plenty of us in the beta feedback channel, someone of us would rather talk here and not to a black hole.

[steep condor]

Rip cat hair 🥲💔

[analog sun]

Yes we have that's why there are long-time players like me (2 years) who have been pointing out a pattern of being dismissed by TGC
It is talking to a void because there's a lack of transparency in communication and these past couple days became the snapping point of accumulated resentment

these have not been just rants they're actual discussions over concerns

[cursive tinsel]

Is it too soon to ask side questions here and ask if anyone has found all the previous missing map shrines?
Like where is the abyss one?

[lyric sleet]

Yeah! or anybody can get "inspired" by your artwork/concept. Get that to the right people in the industry. That's professional stuff, if you have that, don't float it for free. Money it is!! 💪

[primal flame]

I'm just saying sending the complaint into the blackhole which they are more likely to actually look at is better than just talking about it here where they could potentially?? Never look. Idk I know I stop making since after 2am. ignore me if y'all want I need sleep

[lime plover]

✨small reminder~ remember to stay hydrated and away from the dark dragons! ✨

[fallow delta]

Nice to see beta’s still kicking up a fuss. Keep it up, and don’t stop when they drop something new to try and quell the storm

[analog sun]

right and what's the point of doing free testing too for a company that disrespects its vets and testers lol

[vagrant pebble]

Going on a run rn so ill go search for it as well

[blissful gulch]

Yes, that's what i'm talking about, ALL the new things are separated from us by a WALL of MONEY, what about the free2plays who have been playing for 2 years and investing our time in game doing candleruning and playing so that THEY LEAVE US ASIDE LIKE THIS?? Those of who spend hours of our time playing and we can't spend money in game because our country does not allow it or we can't afford it so that THEY ruin our experience by turning Sky into a GAME IN WHICH IF YOU DON'T PAY you will thrown into a side???

[hoary goblet]

This has been going on for the past 3(?) days, a ton of people have gone to feedback. People are just discussing it here too, and there's nothing wrong with that. People just need get some sort of acknowledgment for their opinions and feelings towards Tgc's actions since feedback channel in general has been nothing but talking to a wall for the most part, hence people are talking about it here too. But I can definitely assure you that a lot of people have already given feedback

[civic pike]

Hello, did TGC actually make the cat hair (which many ppl had been interested about, since twas free) paid for???

edit: i wish they could stop being so greedy fr💀
i get it, small companny but why ruin people's experience??

[spark lance]

Yes for now

[analog sun]

thank you toast

really these ppl keep coming in here acting like we haven't been going through every avenue of feedback

[mortal gyro]

what was the reason for the mask change though?

[agile hazel]

Are people starting to hallucinate with how long we've been going on for? This flood of feedback only been going on for 34 hours.
First I saw someone say 2 days and now 3 lmao

[feral marlin]

cuz f2p player doesnt deserve good stuff ...
im a f2p player too so dont mistake me lol

[jagged robin]

I get it that it's IGC but why do they have to changed it

[civic pike]

whats IGC dawg

edit: still, why announce it then? AND only change AFTER the positivity wave?

Plus, we already have WITCH HAIR to pay for, why cat hair too???

[spark lance]

because it's IGC? that is enough reason to change design, to not be too appealing

edit: immediately thought about ox mask, like look, great job, beautiful mask, why now changed cat mask into mask similar to aurora masks 😩 well, quite similar, doesn't mean it was good decision becoz not, definitely not

[ocean cedar]

In-game currency

[wicked carbon]

Beta feedback channel is basically just talking to a wall

[mortal gyro]

it basically is now lol, as a player who played for a year I've seen cosmetics of iap just fly past me, I can't buy anything since I'm on android and doing anything iap there is like jumping through a million hoops

[pliant swallow]

imo i think they should put cat mask and cat cape as a pack, and cat hair as igc. capes to me felt more like the "luxury" cosmetics so

[hoary goblet]

I swear this seems like the 3rd day😭

Edit: ah due to my timezone it is the 3rd day I'm pretty sure 🚶‍♂️ This has probably started late evening for some people hence it seems to be 2 or 3 days

[agile hazel]

It was planned to be changed to IAP a week before the first build released but due to internal miscommunication it was released as IGC. It just highlights the poor communication they have between the devs.

I don't buy into the whole conspiracy that TGC changed it overnight due to our positive reaction, but the poor timing did make it seem really shady

[sweet jackal]

TGC should make a Player Council like DICE wanted to do for their games.
A group of veterans and community leaders who'd have a significant say in the games development as representatives of the community. Vets know things Devs don't. It's wrong to ignore them.

Fr fr season of Rhythm 2 bro the vets in the studio will make it happen mark my words
✨🕺✨

[royal mantle]

That will make it bias. Selected few don't speak for everyone

[pliant swallow]

yknow i havent seen this much "rage" since the little prince fiasco lmao

[spark lance]

^^^ might be good idea tho imagine people in council who are whales looking down at ftp players
^^ ye, bias could ruin it

[mortal gyro]

it's already happened, season of performance

[zinc gate]

I mean this situation is kinda not cool

[dawn oxide]

It's already too much for a stick of marshmellow to be 20$, i bet the cat bundle price will atleast 25$ or higher

[zenith lynx]

I personally don’t buy what they told us. Sounds like a lie to talk themselves out of all this, but we’ll never know. Even if it was a mistake, that’s not our fault. They got us all excited for an IAP item which was supposedly never meant to be free. Best thing for them to do now is either take their loss and make it free again or release a cat hair accessory for hearts so everyone is happy.. sort of

[blissful gulch]

Well basically TGC saw us as fools, that's not cool at all

[spark lance]

no hearts, pls no
I'll pay 100 candles
just no hearts bc where from you'll get them? by shady transactions that are illegal? by begging your friends into sending one?

[mortal gyro]

did they increase the slowmode time? lol

[sacred granite]

Usually some people will heart trade everyday you for a seasonal pass, I’ve gotten 300 hearts from someone

Edit : everyday till the season ends.. that is

[raw pond]

[blissful gulch]

And seriusly they took almost 2 days for realize and fix an error of that magnitud? Idk bro, that doesn't convince me

[agile hazel]

No, it was changed the next day pretty much within 24 hours

Rei, I explained it above in my post Gizmo replied to

[zinc gate]

why didn't they put it IAP since beginning? They gave us false hope and that makes me mad. I know and exactly thats why I'm saying this

[whole badge]

Cat accessory won’t satisfy me tbh,cat hair would tho, unless they sell each separately for free which would be too much to ask ig

[south parrot]

I agree, this is one of the proof that TGC has become greedy

[karmic jungle]

The cat hair isn't free anymore??

[hoary goblet]

This is a good idea but this is kind of the exact same as EA game changers. They barely (if ever, honestly) speak out on issues. People with such roles are bound to stop talking negative about the company out of fear of losing their role and/or get backlash from the rest of the community. It only seems like a good idea. It's clear as day that a lot of players aren't happy, and we've time and time again explained why, for months. There's absolutely no way TGC doesn't see it any of it, and they shouldn't need a player with a slightly more significant role to explain it to them when thousands of players have been trying to get it through to them for a good 2 years at this point

[smoky sleet]

what

[spark lance]

theory is like:
if hair was really iap, why it appeared as igc? there's manual thingy to change whenever they want? it was really some miscommunications like employee 1 thought it's igc, set up as one and after a week +/- days when it appeared in beta they were told "nah, not igc"???

[agile hazel]

Yeah it's day 3 of testing but the IAP change happened on the day 2 with the second build. The first day was pretty much fine, no major issues

@spark lance as some devs explained, this whole mess was because of miscommunication. It was meant to be IAP but it was released as IGC as a mistake

[jagged robin]

It was stated that the cat hair is currently planned as IGC and suddenly, it's in iap now

[shy bronze]

Tgc actually earns around 24 million annually, so technically not a small company in terms of profit

[blissful gulch]

I still don't believe it, the fact that they even put a price of 66 candles on it shows that either they have a terrible comunication or they did it on purpose, even if that were true, why they downgrade the cat mask design as soon as they put it as IGC?? I don't think so

[hoary goblet]

Ye I get it but what I mean is, say if the chaos started at 6am for you and ended 20 hour later, for example, it would only seem like a day. Whereas for someone where the chaos started at 10pm instead, because of timezones, and ended 20h later, that'd be the next day for them and seem like 2 days. In short, yes some people are semi hallucinating it's been longer cuz of what I think is timezones👨‍🦯

[spark lance]

still shady

anyway what would be a problem to have 2 hair in halloween event? i know it would be more pricey, but give more option between more feminine and masculine/non-binary hair

[dense flame]

Honestly this situation currently is being treated poorly by TGC. Reactions removed, bigger cooldown and still no proper communication with the community about it. It's been 3 days (for me due of timezone) that this is still ongoing because TGC refuses to take proper action and listen to the community. TGC immediately went to make the cat mask ugly because it was a IGC item. This proves that TGC stopped caring about the community, they should know not everyone is able to afford the prices. This is honestly making me upset, i haven't been playing for too long either and it makes me upset to witness this because i liked the game but I'm reconsidering of supporting it any further or playing it due of the treatment towards the community.

[agile hazel]

I mean I did tell you that it was because of bad communication, but you believe whatever.
As for the catmask change, I have no idea. We haven't heard anything about that yet

Vinny, because of really bad communication between the devs. How many times do I have to repeat myself?

TGC made the decision to make cat hair into IAP but that info was not passed onto Sagomay, so they incorrectly stated that the hair would be IGC in update notes

[empty path]

they said in announcements it was going to be igc so like whyd they say it was planned a week beforehand to be iap

[echo ermine]

Hey chat, we still going strong?

[boreal shell]

They're not a small company anymore

[wild yoke]

Ig so

@boreal shell agree they had grown

[rare cradle]

out of curiosity what is the cool down here
edit: 3:30

[raw pond]

3:30

[dense flame]

Yesterday it was 11 minutes, now it's 3:30

[agile hazel]

No they didn't say that, there's no mention of it being a placeholder. Ktjn and Whirthun have only said that the mask can still be changed since it's not finalised-- which is different from it being a placeholder

A placeholder would be the guitar for the Aurora instrument

[sacred granite]

Jesus i was wondering why i couldn’t react and this weird time block

[ocean cedar]

I'm still waiting for reactions to come back

[stray root]

Hey have someone can't go to sky beta ?

[empty path]

this is completely and uttererly unrelated to the the topic at hand but i must appreciate ur splatoon pfp

[blissful gulch]

Yeah, very believable, did you look at the cat mask? It went from being a cat face to being a default moth mask with angry eyes, and that, all at the time it was changed to IGC, i hope they give me answers

[proven radish]

it shows how biased tgc is they make the cat mask into igc but more uglier while the cat ear hair that alot of f2p like it they make it to iap

[teal spire]

https://discord.com/channels/575762611111592007/913093906286125160

[still mauve]

Agreed players did see TGC being greedy but now it's taken too far to the point where we have to beg them for 1 DAMN ITEM TO IT BEING FREE sometimes companies let the fame and greediness get to them and this is what happened here sadly. Players keep saying they don't feel heared and rather feel more silenced, this is a whole mess created by them expecting us to take any excuse they give us cuz we're their community but we had high expectations and they're not even close to listening.

Candle run is truly useless it's a waste of time more like if you grind for 20 candles it takes 4 hours which in that time we could've done something else and after all igc are expensive too not only IAPS

[agile hazel]

I only repeated the dev explanation for the hair, not the mask. I said that we have not had an explanation for the mask yet so I don't get what you're not believing.

Also thanks Vinny

[graceful widget]

So... Has the cat hair changed back to igc 😭😭

[ocean cedar]

We'll have to wait until Monday

[still mauve]

No and low chance it will

[lean glade]

I highly doubt they will

[cosmic orchid]

if they do, they'll degrade it

[grim gyro]

anger on cat hair seems to have slowed a bit

[zinc gate]

they never said that doe i mean yeah next monday

[ocean cedar]

It feels like the flame has kinda died down

Well, I hope it's alive again after everyone gets a deserved break.

[still mauve]

Like they did with the cat mask just cuz it's for igc now.

[cunning lintel]

yea they'll make it super ugly just because they wouldnt get money for it

[graceful widget]

oh my god then i'd rather he's still an iap

[grim gyro]

imo the hair already isnt that good to be an iap
it should be a bit flashier??

[zinc gate]

its okay if they degrade it , i hope they just dont remove the catears cause that's what's unique to it

[royal mantle]

Well,
If they add cat tail and paws to the cat pack and don't increase the price... Hmmm. I might consider 😎

Cat call too

[still mauve]

well they noticed how the players loved it and JS cuz they wanted to profit from us they put it as IAP and make excuses

@zinc gate I'd rather not have it at all if it's degraded it's simply selfish to degrade just cuz we don't have money to buy it

[spark lance]

I-
can't even comprehend that idea, no don't degrade hair just to igc
but knowing them who knows, making ugly just to igc

[cunning lintel]

a lot of players love it since it's cat hair, so tgc is taking advantage of that

[ornate rover]

Add cat mask back as it was and I'd buy it, idc much for the hair

[stray root]

Bring back cat hair for F2P, we can't always lose everything beautiful like this

[sacred granite]

Watch them bring it back but its 200 candles 😭😭

[woven lake]

lp pants flashback

[grim gyro]

i know that already btw im responding to ppl speculating about them degrading it
already not flashy enough to be iap - no down grade necessary
ALSO IT DOESNT EVEN MATCH WITH THE CAPEE if its in a pack it should match

[zinc gate]

idc just make it free 😭 @grim gyro i mean in my opinion it matches

[still mauve]

Yes cuz they look at poor players and decided to give us low/poor quality items js cuz we don't wanna spend money, tgc really isn't friendly at all every business can take advantage and this one did for sure and it still will if we don't try to change it now.

@sacred granite if they bring back the cat hair with that many candles I'd actually give / grind that many js so I could have it cuz it's a really loved item and they decided to profit from it selfishly.

[ornate rover]

I agree it doesn't fit the vibe of the cape that well even though they're both cat related. The mask went a lot better for it to be a bundle. The switch felt unnecessary

[nova lark]

Tgc let people down they should take responsibility for this and they still haven't made a statement about it. I don't think they care about their players.

[agile hazel]

They have, it's in pinned messages

[teal spire]

I wish us all as much strength and patience as possible.

[sage dagger]

I totally agree, but if they really wanted to make a cat related hair IAP they could've made a long hair version and add it to the iap while leaving the short cat hair one a IGC, that way both sides win (personal opinion)

[zinc gate]

TGC: here take a less cool item that is even downgraded, take it or leave it !!

[late sonnet]

please check pinned, there was a response regarding the situation.

@near tiger #beta-discussion message

[near tiger]

where ?

[nova lark]

yes i read it, thanks

[still mauve]

The switch is simply because they saw the hair getting too much attention so they took the chance to switch them and degrade the other. This is really low of them

@agile hazel they did make a statement but those were the devs who did say something and only said to give feedback but when we do it's not noticed,we wanted to hear something from tgc not making up excuses for it and giving us what we ACTUALLY want. Sad to say this company has failed to listen/service the players as it seems from many.

[mental pendant]

i honestly agree with this one

[ornate rover]

Yeah people were already happy with the bundle as was and the hair being a free item. I hope they go back on the changes because the initial response was so positive

[summer cosmos]

[near tiger]

thanks but im still angry... wait and see monday !

[grim gyro]

i went into the update pleasantly surprised by the new season and cat items
the cat hair suddenly being revoked and the mask becoming less cute was so unexpected

[kindred fossil]

@proper valve Anyone in the instance will crash though, it has happened before. Someone in the same instance was possibly on piggyback, at least I think so

[still mauve]

It was positive but it was just a reminder that we have to give them feedback which they'll ignore ( probably )

Different part
What in trying to say is that we wanted the tgc to make an official info where they tell us if they'll put it back or not , we don't want an apology nor the excuses from them cuz we've had enough seriously.

[late sonnet]

That is not what happened.
The IAP status of the cat hair was already decided a week before the first build hit beta, then the feedback from the week before was finally implemented the day after the first build into the second.
So now the changes from internal teams have caught up and the current build is where it stands.

Design iterations come and go, and this is the nature of gamedev. If you liked the previous versions, then make your thoughts heard in #beta-feedback

[hollow spruce]

I can't enter sky beta I have the app, sky bot

[gilded parrot]

📱iOS/Android: Learn about the sign-up process and how to get notified when invites happen in #beta-faq!
Switch: The Switch Beta testing period has ended with Live launch. All future content testing will be conducted on Mobile only.

[edgy zinc]

I still cant login to the game 💀

[manic notch]

You need to wait a few minutes in the title screen til the play button appears that's what I did to get in beta

[still mauve]

I disagree on this , they announced the hair being igc not IAP once they see fame they profit , example : if a teacher puts you as class rep and then next week they put another person then they bring the excuse " it was a mistake I chose him a week before" wouldn't that feel unfair to you?

I do agree that feedback is important but it's proven it was ignored many times and small changes have been made when they listened.

[agile hazel]

Sticking with your analogy, I agree that it's very unfair but it doesn't change the fact that the teacher chose that other person a week beforehand. They made a very bad mistake

[hollow spruce]

Are you Android too? I can't go in its just endless sea in my screen. First time to happen to me since I joined beta

[spark lance]

Anyone remember the response we received abt shattering feedback?

anecdotally, it's not uncommon for a massive amount of beta feedback to skew/trend a certain way but how that item, feature, system, story, etc is received in the live game ends up being very different. this doesn't just apply to item pricing, but literally everything in the game in one way or another.

take this whole season and its content, beta feedback told us it would absolutely disastrous and we had plenty of concerns about the risks we took with this season, but the sentiment from live has been pretty positive. that by no means translates to 100% acceptance, because that's impossible, but it's a good non-data driven example of a small corner of the community isn't always a perfect slice of the global one. which means we need to be mindful about what we react to and make changes for. on the flip side, sometimes beta feedback is spot on as an indicator of how well something is received and adopted.

like all information, it needs to be examined multiple ways and interpreted in a wide variety of contexts.

I think it's enough answer for us that when they have decide something, feedback would not change anything

[sage dagger]

Exactly, its obviously because they saw an oportunity to make more money, but at this point what do we f2p get?? A witch hair another table and a plain mask? Its unfair and disappointing

[zinc gate]

it's not true, feedback changed some stuff back to normal before and it worked fine. We just need patience

[proper valve]

If I'm not wrong yes there was a bug make piggyback stuck if there are another two ppl already piggyback, but this time another two ppl are needless, i did ask 5 of my friends test that, we seven ppl in same room and only two ppl piggyback, stuck still happen for all 7 ppl

[still mauve]

Exactly like I'm saying it's unfair to us players who aren't able to afford their crazy prices

@sage dagger it's absolutely low how no one is talking about it like what if we already bought the items and then the event comes again and it's literally nothing to get with candles what will be the point of the even?, this game is now based on money.

[cosmic merlin]

What if cat hair was sold separately for $15?

[cursive prism]

Lesson learned y'all, if ever they release stuff that looks cool never EVER hype it up.

Edit. Specially if they released it originally as an igc 🙃

[late sonnet]

message from ktjn on this: #beta-discussion message
I think set aside your bias for a second and try to understand what it's like in gamedev where there are multiple teams coordinating changes and not everything makes it into the beta build.
A decision to change something from IGC to IAP has to be altered in the code, then there needs internal testing to see if it works, then it can be approved to be put out to beta. And that's only if the decision to confirm that change goes through and is communicated to those who implement those changes. That doesn't happen in a single day and can cross days or weeks.
This is something that involves multiple levels of communication, not just a single teacher re-assigning roles.

[edgy zinc]

I cant even get the cat hair because i got the cat bundle before the update

[kindred fossil]

TGC should communicate this information publicly though, I don't think it's doable to hand out the link on your own

[manic notch]

same

[sage dagger]

Do you really think a hairstyle all alone should cost $15? It'd be insane imo

[lean glade]

lol hold yer excitements so they don't capitalize on it

[spark lance]

this is prove that they would set up garbage and live players will still love it

[agile hazel]

That's perfectly fine. I just get annoyed when people think TGC straight up lied about the miscommunication like it's some sort of conspiracy theory. But I kinda understand why it comes off like that due to poor timing and communication

[civic pike]

They should at least compensate for THEIR mistake.

Regardless if there was miscommunication or not, it's purely their fault. So they should at least compensate us for absolutely crushing our dreams and positivity, mistake or not.

[proper valve]

@noble mantle Actually it's three different account, not one account on three devices at same time

[rocky verge]

am i the only one starting to think that beta started out as testing out for bugs and stuffs for the comfort of live players which prioritises the players (as they should) but lately beta's just becoming a platform for them to see how they can maximise their profit lol

[narrow nimbus]

... My god, this is exactly the reason why I've stopped playing Sky for a while now.
Everything has gone completely out of hand in here seeing this all go down.

[still mauve]

I do understand where you're coming from but just cuz someone says something we don't always have to believe them , I'm gonna stick to my point and still not buy excuses made until tgc decides to actually talk about it.

@agile hazel no one believes them anymore because it happens repeatedly and it's getting to a point where players start to quit since there's nothing to get igc anymore

[broken mist]

This conversation been going for around 30 hours, I don't know if I should be impressed or concerned

[quartz flower]

[knotty crow]

👀

[sage dagger]

So the "Cat mask" was supposed to be a plain mask from the beggining? Do you really think we are that dumb? It's way too obvious why they changed it to IAP, because everyone loved it

[cursive prism]

lmao just by seeing the word "compensation" i genuinely cackled 💀 if u've been in this community for long u would very much know how compensation ain't in their vocabulary. Like it makes them gag and vomit just by being meters away from the word. Jesus.

[rocky verge]

probably cus this isn't the first time ya know... the game has lost its balance between f2p and p2p players that's why and the cost of cosmetics is a huge deal simply cus this whole game literally rotates around it, anyways just my 2 cents ya know

[bright canopy]

Who else is tired and leaving sky : D

[agile hazel]

~~About the cat mask, no. Nothing has been said about it yet.~~Only statements made were about cat hair

Actually wait no, Ash said that the first cat mask design was a week old

[civic pike]

LMAOOO YEAH, I joined this year but from what I've heard from TGC this far, I had a guess.

Still, feels like betrayal though.
Specially when TGC is so close to the community, or at least used to be.

[uneven lotus]

Heyyyy guys has the timing cool down changed.
Oh still 3 mins and a half ok 💀 and no reaction 😭

[cosmic merlin]

In my personal opinion, it is right for TGC to include cat ear hair in IAP because then it deserves its actual value.

[lean glade]

I would ditch the whole days of mischief if they don't do something about it

[zinc gate]

as it didnt have value before

[woeful sinew]

i mean sure. i actually agree. but then why not put it as an IAP in the first place instade of being IGC. i doubt its that easy to go through all the coding and such to make something IGC by accident

[sage dagger]

And why do you think they changed a perfect CAT mask to a plain mask? Because now is a f2p cosmetic, they're just telling us that if we want good stuff we should pay.

@rocky verge you're absolutely righ.
@cosmic merlin so you're saying f2p people dont deserve good stuff unless they pay? Do you know how many IAPs there are for this event? There are just 3 f2p cosmetics, but keep defending it i guess

[spark lance]

it’s white polygons on a fictional mobile game, who is out here wasting their time caring about the individual “value” on digital items that are practically valueless

[agile hazel]

idk why are you asking me? I'm not a dev

[silk acorn]

So you're saying that when a cosmetic is too good, we f2ps don't a right to have it? Alright then

[rocky verge]

debatable cus i think ppl forget that this game was initially catered towards kids right so i dunno how tgc is expecting kids to pay this much, ofc i'm aware we have older players on the game now since it's grown but tgc is forgetting its initial motive and HOW they advertised this game to start with and that is why i will always be against such high prices even when i can spend money on this game, it's not fair for f2ps

[civic pike]

yeah, but not the fact they decreased the quality of the item they put for IGC

plus, if the hair wasnt gonna be IGC why hype players up? That being a mistake or not, I will stand for the need of a compensation.

Haven't you seen the IGC X IAP item amount ratio? Why take that from us as well? They don't even need to fundraise anymore (Theyre a millionare companny)

its VERY UNFAIR for F2P Players.
(Such as myself)

[median crescent]

It’s kinda unfair for f2p players

[sacred granite]

Literally i know nine year olds on sky 😭

[woeful sinew]

exactly

[hoary goblet]

I mean there are designers and coders that likely spent weeks on making it. I don't like TGC nor the decision to make it iap, however saying it's just 'white polygons' is a tad..you know. There are real artists and designers who made it, by saying that it seemed like you're saying those artists shouldn't get praised and paid for it. Again I'm completely on the community's side but comments like that irk me

[dire egret]

idc about the cat hair man i just want the old cat mask back new one has no personality

[zinc gate]

i agree with everyone , f2ps barely have something that is good , and even if there is, they need to wait for the specific ts which usually takes over a year or just pray there will be free good items in events (which usually don't happen)

[past kayak]

that is unless tgc mentioned that even before it was released to beta, in my opinion, i think it would have been much better if tgc mentioned even before the release of it to be tested in beta and later on to live what the original plan for the item was so that players are aware of that and wouldn't think of it as if it was a sudden change with no plan

but ye even if let's say an iap changed into an igc and vise versa, they still should have kept the quality of the item to keep players motivated instead of it looking like the lower version of it which can be a h u g e turn off to many

[cerulean lance]

I'm genuinely impressed it's still going for like 30+ hours
Keep the fight up yall 💪

[civic pike]

Yeah, like

What are they trying to teach the kids now? That they'll only be able to watch cool IAP items go by and only the priviledged people would be able to buy them? Let's be real here, some items/packs are really expensive (Maybe not for you, but for my and many others' currency it is).

Oh shucks!! I thought this game was supposed to teach kindness and self sacrifice!! Who would've thought?! 😱

😐
And here I thought TGC was an actual good, underrated company.

and YES. I will keep on fighting for MY and MANY OTHER'S rights to have a fun experience.

I play Sky to forget about our harsh reality, not to remember about it.

[devout needle]

This is one long discussion huh

[rocky verge]

100% 100% cus i do think some items should stay as IAPs since like @hoary goblet said, there's a lot of effort and time going into creating these pixels by the artists but i'm genuinely convinced that they're just using beta to maximise profit from live version which is ya know...

[spark lance]

i am sure there will be an update in monday

[dire egret]

also everyone who thinks tgc is misleading by 'changing it after everyone got hyped' did you guys completely forget the fact that it was just a miscommunication between the dev team and the patchnote writers? if you guys dont trust the devs on their word i dont really think you should even keep playing the game, look at all the effort they put into seasons like aurora and to say they dont care about the community?

[agile hazel]

Since I was curious about the appstore review process and I dislike the conspiracies here. TestFlight can take up to 48 hours to approve and release a build. The chances of TGC seeing our positive reaction, sending a build for approval and it being released within 6-8 hours of their working time is very low

I hate TGC's decisions and I don't like having to defending them, but I dislike the conspiracies more

[sage dagger]

IAPs
Withered Antlers
Witch Jumper
Spider Quiff
Spooky Pumpkin Prop
Web Cape
Witch Hat
Pumpkin Hat
Bat Cape

IGCs
Witch hair
Table
Mapple cape

But yes, it's fair right? F2ps get a plain mask this year guys, so equal and fair for everyone

[late sonnet]

disregard the bottom 4 IAPs because those were during previous mischief events when there were zero IGCs
they started including them in later ones.
Also, just because past IAP return just means it returns. More IGC = people complain about the prices so what is it that you want? More igcs with high price points or less IGC with affordable prices.

[cursive prism]

The last part of ur statement's quite off. They are mad bcus this has happened ALREADY before. And it WILL happen again. Tgc DOES care about the community, only the one who gives them money tho.

Edit. I think the only time they were really generous was the first day's of bloom back in april 2021. It all went downhill after that when they implemented the afk = no wax thingy. And that CAUSED a WAR here in beta but guess what? They still didn't listen and implemented it in live lmao what's the use for beta if they wont even listen to the testers

[cursive tinsel]

It would help if the cat mask returned to a more detailed cat mask and became and the hair went IGC or very cheap IAP with a black streak in it to justify the money

[rocky verge]

i mean it's not exactly conspiracies cus like look at season of shattering, f2ps who don't buy the pass can only miss ONE day or they fail to finish the season, my point is the balance between f2ps and p2ps has been gone for some time now not specifically just for this days of mischief event, i'm not saying u're wrong but it's been a bit unfair towards f2ps for some time now, that's all 🥲

[dire egret]

exactly! people here are acting like TGC is an evil game company thriving off of manipulating their community emotions. TGC would've had to do it in such a short timespan. People out here boycotting and threatening review bombings are just..disgusting.

@fallen heath Its the nature of development? Sure, I love the old mask much more than the new one, but its beta. beta is for CHANGING things. Maybe they didnt like the cat mask? It didnt recieve as much positive reception as the hair did.

[civic pike]

(to @dire egret) Honey, please.

Are you going to turn a blind eye to ALL THE TIMES stuff like that happened just because of that lil excuse they gave us NOW?

Did you also NOTICE how they've lowered the cat mask quality when it became IGC?

Something I've been able to conclude is that they're giving us F2P players LEFTOVERS, LOWEST OF THE LOWEST items, why? Because we don't grab our measly wallets and pay for it.

Also, if that miscommunication thing happened, mistake or not, they should AT LEAST compensate us because of the many loyal players who felt betrayed and used after said "MISTAKE" happened.

Not a fan of conspiracy and I hope I am wrong, but the timing is really, really off.

[sacred granite]

devs arent excused because they put effort into a season, its their job. It feels like we’re a cash grab and not a partner or however you want to say it to them, even if it was originally a money bought item, the way it looks like they changed it after the hype is very disheartening, P2P and F2P people are getting very much differently treated.

[agile hazel]

No I don't mean conspiracies about making too many IAPs or whatever. I meant conspiracies about TGC lying that this entire mess was due to bad internal communication and the hair was changed to IAP due to our reception

If you consider the timeline, TGC's working hours and that Testflight can take up to 48 hours to approve an update, it doesn't line up

[sage dagger]

Thank you

[hoary goblet]

'Just a miscommunication.' TGC has struggled with communication for ages. It's a huge issue that has been present both in live and beta. Things got released in live and not explained. Or thing got scrapped in beta but got released in live months later without an explanation. Things got released without being mentioned in patchnotes at all and never addressed. Major bugs such as android crashes never got properly addressed or compensated. (A comment to get pinned a channel and the indirect "we fixed it move on" isn't addressing it.) There's a lot of toxic positivity from TGC and sugar coating and extremely poor communication within their team, support and with players and this was proven on multiple different occasions. People aren't just mad because of a cosmetic, but it's the on going miscommunication and lack of effort to improve on it. 'Look at all the effort they put into seasons.' Have you seen the state the shattering season is in currently?

[velvet fog]

It's same like rainbow pants before it was an IAP and turn into f2p items So it could be the opposite of that happening

Sorry for the ping ehehe

[graceful widget]

The price of the cat fur gift bag is 19.99$?

[dire egret]

Read @agile hazel message from before. Testflight takes up to 2 days to publish a new test build...the time between the original release of the cat hair and the changing of it to an IAP was a single day. Its highly unlikely TGC did this as a manipulation tactic for cash. All of you guys just want to have a reason to argue...just wait for the devs response.

[late sonnet]

all prices are unknown until they are in live and announced in #news

[sacred granite]

Real

[agile hazel]

Exactly, their communication is horrible and it needs to be fixed. TGC needs to take responsibility for their mess

@woeful sinew haven't seen caki's mesasge but they must have included incorrect information. Ash stated that the mask was already planned to be changed last week
#beta-discussion message

[civic pike]

Yeah, like...

I'm not against giving P2P players a little priviledge/bonus,

BUT!

It's not just a little bonus anymore, the economic inequality is present AND HEIGHTENED even within Sky.

This is E.A. all over again.
Not surprised if we suddenly get ads within Sky now.

[woeful sinew]

but in a previous message of your's you mentioned that they changed the cat mask cause they saw that we didn't give as much of a response as we did the cat hair

[cursive prism]

FR. Specially the afk = no wax drama where they released it no matter how hard we BEGGED to them here in beta to NOT release it in live but they still did 💀💀 I'm literally losing hope tbh, also knowing the fact that this isn't the first time a war like this happened makes me wanna bang my head on a wall

[rocky verge]

with all due respect, i'm pretty certain this amount of complaints isn't just abt one single cosmetics from days of mischief, it's the overall situation of the direction tgc is pushing towards regarding the gap between f2ps and p2ps, the complaints r warranted cus if players just keep letting things go with at least 1 or 2 items with every passing event, this gap will grow and it'll become permanent

i just don't know how this game is suppose to promote positivity or create general calm soothing gaming experience when the gap between f2ps and p2ps is literally... real life.

[cosmic orchid]

a message from a dev
#beta-discussion message

[dire egret]

We also have 2 months or so until mischief, theres plenty of time to wait for the devs response and see if its satisfactory. Check the pins for this channel 'there wont be much news over the weekend' and to 'expect more beta related discussion' from the devs next week so i see no reason why everyone is still arguing? why dont we just wait for the official response?

[woeful sinew]

@agile hazel

[hoary goblet]

Ah but they 'appreciate feedback!' 👨‍🦯

[late sonnet]

I think it's fine that people are upset and conveying that frustration, gotta let it out somehow
as long as there's no threats or attacking to individuals
everyone is valid in wanting an answer to all this

[agile hazel]

The timeline from what I understand it would be
-OG mask and hair are part of the 1st build
-1st build gets sent off for review, since it's a new major update it can take much longer for review
-TGC decide to change hair to IAP and redesign the mask
-Changes are added to 2nd build and send off for review
-Information is not communicated to Sagomay
-1st build gets released with incorrect update notes
-2nd build gets released and all hell breaks loose

[sacred granite]

I don’t see whats not clicking. We are pushing this Because the devs have been known to skip over us, its a known issue. literally most of us were agreeing with eachother, i only see you out of place saying we’re arguing. We aren’t going to sit and act pretty while waiting, we are going to say what we feel is wrong, and we are going to discuss it, this is a community, its what communities do.. all are aware they’ll get back to us on Monday.

@dire egret Who said that ?? Last time i checked we were not the genshin fandom

[dire egret]

okay, by arguing, i meant the people who were literally threatening to review bomb the game and attacking the devs (over a beta item that isnt coming out for a good 2 months with loads of time to take in the feedback and change requests)

@sacred granite if i can find a screenshot there was someone who literally said 'remember what happened to genshin...we made it lose one star, we can do that again' along with other people agreeing with the sentiment. although a lot of people were against it which im glad with

[zinc gate]

we aren't arguing we are saying facts to make the devs think about this situation more

[spark lance]

Sorry for interrupting, is there any bad news or good news guys? eats popcorn

[ocean cedar]

I'm tired of this, it will probably the same thing over and over again.

• TGC makes bad updates
• Somehow the update gets released in live
• Live players either get mad or don't care
• Sometimes a dev steps in and 'fixes the bad thing' and say 'we appreciate you!'
• Live starts to calm down and forgot about it
• repeat

It's driving me mad

[woeful sinew]

this whole thing's a mess honestly. hopefully somehow they settle this properly.

[sage dagger]

No news yet, just TGC greed defenders

[velvet fog]

Yeah with many feedbacks maybe they will heard us . . . I hope . . .

[civic pike]

Oh, so that's why I wasn't getting any wax...

TGC is making dumb decision after dumb decision.

Can't a multimillionaire company do better? Like c'mon now.

[still mauve]

Reviewing isn't bad if it's actually sincere a realistic review is that the game is based on money not on igc items anymore and that's it

[low dew]

The Aurora Season gonna make tgc more than enough money,why change the cat hair from igp to iap?????

[cursive prism]

Yep, that's only a peek to how stingy they are tho. Prepare for more

[dire egret]

but reviewing cosmetics isnt reviewing the game as a whole? people leaving negative reviews because of a single piece of hair fail to see the rest of the game in its entirety
@low dew it was planned to be IAP from the start, they just released the 1st build of mischief too early and because testflight takes a day or two for builds to become public, it looked like TGC was changing it due to the positive reception. Although, I still see no need for them to change the cat mask...time will tell what they do with it

[sage dagger]

The game literally is about collecting cosmetics-

[civic pike]

im really close to quitting sky.

funny how i was having so much fun just yesterday.

[zinc gate]

aside from that, they even put it in a BUNDLE, at least make it separate man... That's unfair for people who only want the hair and not the cape. It's literally more dollars @low dew I totally agree (also make the items less expensive :D in other regions it costs way too much.)

[hoary goblet]

TGC has also had plenty of time to address their past mistakes and issues. I don't agree with the conspiracy theories but blindly defending them isn't right either imho. This is one of MANY examples of extremely bad communication. This isn't a one off 'just one small mistake🥺'. I would understand if this was a first time, but it's their millionth time, and their millionth time going completely silent. And I'll say it again that it's the months and years of poor miscommunication. This cosmetic was simply the last straw (and this last straw should've happened ages ago honestly.) I think you're completely missing the point by being convinced that this is because of a single cosmetic

[spark lance]

Friendly reminder, please using review bombing as the very last choice oki (D-1 DoM). this is still beta and maybe tgc will "kindly" listen to us. they supposed to. but if there's still no changes. welp. keep the fire spreading. we all know we're not a money machine. I know you hear me staff. i trust you, i know you need time. just don't disappoint us more

[still mauve]

Cuz their excuse is " a mistake, we planned this a week before" and let it sit for a day to see the reactions? Yeah not a chance we buying that excuse, we don't want an apology we want the item as simple as that.

@dire egret I don't think you get the topic of the discussion it's not only about one item it's about them taking advantage and profiting from us for long enough, negative reviews is normal since the game isn't enjoyable anymore after all.

[ocean cedar]

I'm really surprised there's still ppl defending TGC

[peak mason]

this is why i quit so long ago.. but the cat hair gave me hope, now it's gone and the bundles and everything else is still expensive; if they made them a bit more cheaper wouldn't more people buy it since they could afford it?

[deft solar]

im worry with sky future

[low dew]

Yes that
Tho i wouldnt complain if it was IAP from the start and is seperated from the bundle like witch hair ><

[stray root]

I always support for Sky 2 years, and this make me sad

[agile hazel]

Have you updated?

[cursive prism]

My guy this issue isn't EVEN about that hair made out of pixels anymore anyway Tgc's been known for being stingy specially in terms of compensation and giving more quality items to f2p's. Idk when it exactly started but maybe after the first day's of bloom from 2021 and it just reached its peak when TLP season came.

[woeful sinew]

yeah that's my thought too.

[sage dagger]

Its not about making the cat hair an IGC anymore, its about giving the f2p players actual quality too. They could perfectly add a long cat hair version and make it IGC and give us the f2p players something good, both sides would win, but instead we get a plain mask, not even a cat anymore. I just hope they're reading this because it's so upsetting that they dont see us f2p the same way they see p2p players :(

[safe glade]

Exactly this... It could have been so simple XD
I don't know how they are still able to make those mistakes after 3 years on the road

[still mauve]

Some people come in here thinking were annoying and throwing a tantrum over one item when it's really more serious and messed up than that , players now see tgc as a small company but it grew into a millionaire one and the reality is that if on Monday they don't bring it up or they choose to give us the silent treatment then idk about ppl playing sky anymore it's either the money they want or the community they want to care about ( it's not like they ever cared tbh ) making a mistake yes it's understandable but when you let it sit like that and then send someone in here to tell us it's a miscommunication it's too far

[civic pike]

Greed. Simple as that.

TGC is Greedy.

ofc its for money duh-

[zinc gate]

for money

[dire egret]

1. I'm not 'blindly' defending them, im giving them benefit of the doubt because (check pins) i do believe they will come with a response within next week as they stated. TGC knows staying silent isn't going to help them, just give them time to consider choices and hopefully they make the best choice.
2. They're not staying silent? Quite a few of the devs have put out statements saying they are taking all of this into consideration and to expect a reponse throughout the week. I do agree that TGC has a lack of good communication within themselves and for the community. I just don't feel we should be blindly accusing them of manipulation when we haven't even heard an official response yet...

[ocean cedar]

TGC should rename to ThatGreedyCompany

[low dew]

The fact that they see a money grabbing oppotunity so they change the hair to IAP just proff how selfish they can be
Seeing how misstreated the F2P player are just S A D

[deft solar]

they just use f2p players to accompany p2p players, to entertain them, so they will play longer, who will play a game that so quiet as graveyard? yeah the more the merrier, thats what f2p players used for

[main flame]

As a player for 3 years, TGC is and has always been extremely stingy to f2p players. I really wish they change that, because f2p should be allowed “pretty items” just like people who decide to pay for this game, it shouldn’t be - oh you want this pretty cosmetic? Open your wallet and pay $20 for one singular item. That is messed up.

I hope TGC realizes their mistake on this and actually does put the hair back as ingame candles because well, they’re going to be losing a LOT of people over stuff like this, they already have. I have people complain to me almost everyday about how greedy they are and how they never get anything worth it or they just don’t have the money to get the IAPS they want. TGC do better.

[fleet hollow]

[rocky verge]

i really hope u're right and that they do smth that actually prioritises the players and not profits cus based on the few dev responses i've seen, well.. they're not nice responses overall tone and all lol

[ocean tinsel]

yeap

[lunar bluff]

[still mauve]

Anyone can give out a few words but we're not forced to believe them TGC makes changes without asking their community, we're not blindly accusing we're accusing them on facts that have been proven by many players in this channel, what official response do you expect? " Oh we're sorry for the inconveniences" it's either an apology and no fix like always. We're having high expectations this time for them to change some things about their game and the way they manage things.

[sage dagger]

It's a kids game... It shouldn't all be about money... So sad TGC is ruining such a good game

[cursive prism]

EXACTLY.

[deft solar]

omg u are so good in making abbreviation👍👏👏

[agile hazel]

If TGC decides to keep cat hair as IAP, I'd rather them tell me that decision than silence. I'd still be mad but not as mad

[low dew]

TGC is making other F2P games(A9,Cookie,GI) look even more generous😔😔😔

[dire egret]

Its beta..we're 2 months away from mischief. ANYTHING can happen in 2 months, what has it been? A day? TGC will change something, you've just got to give them a few days to patch in a newer patch with (hopefully) better IGC items and a remodel for the mask. You've got to remember that beta can take up to 48 hours to send and review a patch, so best case scenario we get one tonight (Which i doubt)

if you guys check pins they have said that they will work on 'beta related' discussions from their side next week and that there wont be much news over the weekend

[woeful sinew]

agreed

[tidal aurora]

wildin

[cursive prism]

Seems like yesterday when a few ppl here had a discussion on how they hope tgc doesn't turn like EA games. Wonder where they're at now. 💀

[acoustic osprey]

Please let the cat's hair buy with candles 🙏🙏🙏

[still mauve]

different part here ≥And the reviews bombing isn't threatening at all it's just either they risk losing their community over some money and the game they put so much into.

Other part here ↓
@dire egret I do understand your point it's been 3 years TGC has been making mistakes and treating them as excuses, we're saying we don't have faith in them anymore to change things, giving them a few days is like the past they let the time pass and everybody forgets it , this time it's not about the community being mean if criticizing them over nothing, we'll wait until Monday after all since the devs say they'll be more active then but until then this whole thing won't stop, tgc has created this mess with their own hands .

[dire egret]

i wasnt here for this years days of rainbow but didnt they end up changing IAP pants to IGC pants? Shouldn't we have faith they can do the same again?

[wild yoke]

Yep the china server Weibo super group has went down to 1star rn n they are still bombing the review

[winter garden]

finally i am reading that some of you have their eyes open! for god's sake there is still someone who doesn't defend them to the hilt!!!

[agile hazel]

It was good that they changed rainbow pants to igc but one act doesn't make up for their other mistakes. It'll take a lot more for us to regain trust.

But at least we know we can make some degree of change if we make a big enough fuss

[tidal aurora]

ive been watchin chat for awhile and i agree with points from both sides. yea its stinky they keep doin it over and over (and over) again but yea theres still 2 months. plenty of time for us

[rocky verge]

i mean yeah but that's cus a lot of ppl didn't actually like the pants lmao so even if they stuck with it as IAPs, no way to profit and for players who did like the pants, yes it's a win but 1 win against how many Ls in this game so far for f2ps over a span of 3 years?

[velvet fog]

Shattering trumpet still bugged until this beta update how fun what happens in 2 months I have no hope anymore since they're also abandoned the bug/glitch heh-

[dusty oar]

Is there something wrong with defending them then? If we are picking sides id rather go with the development company that actively tries to gather information from it playerbase. Rather than people that willingly sign up for a beta only to complain about the same thing over and over without providing construtive critism

[still mauve]

Exactly you weren't here to see what kind of mistakes they've done that have been always looked over , TLP season and the rainbow events are the only times they've listened we're here to be listened once in a while it seems, we don't trust them cuz they took advantage of us. It might be 2 months but If we're silenced again? What happens if they don't change it in 1 month? That would be ignoring after all

[lyric inlet]

(hm, this kind of event should release in main patch, likely be late September to Early October (so 1 month and maybe a couple of days))

[low dew]

people those defend TGC selfish act should be more eyes open seeing that there are already A BUNCH OF IAP FOR THE EVENT
Arent witch,pumkin,bat,spider enough???? Yet we are getting like,2 more IAP??????
and only like,3 dawn IGP?? Cant we have pretty things for F2P player??? Myself have paid Alot for the game btw,im defending for F2P player

[hoary goblet]

I'm not sure what to tell you other than the fact that you're still missing the point. Players have given them the benefit of the doubt for years and we shouldn't continue to do so. They put out statements and pin them all the time, act as if they care for what we have to say for a bit and then continue acting like they have always done. A "We appreciate feedback!" and everyone moves on. Time and time again they have put out statements, done a "we appreciate feedback", seemingly acknowledged us and then went back to their old ways . A lot of players are tired of giving the benefit of the doubt and find it hard to believe them after years of bad miscommunication and constantly getting our hopes up. This is not about a single cosmetic. There's very few examples of them listening and thousand examples of them doing the opposite

[wild yoke]

Yep same goes to a hair from season of shattering its same from iap to free but what I’ve seen players review was also awful 😢
Cuz of
“everyone has the same pants now”
“It’s not special again”
“U can see this pants everywhere now”
And others

[woeful sinew]

not to sound dense or dumb. but that's kinda not right. cause sure. we can wait those two months. then they could not listen to us. then this happens again and give them benefit of the doubt again by waiting and it just repeats. and idk if it has happened before but i think it did

[robust delta]

This kinda reminds me of the time I don't like the ice rink update and chat up here

The only difference is I was the minority in the chat

[acoustic osprey]

TGC Pleaseee sell cat hair with 66 candles again

[sage dagger]

Even if its 200 candles, give the f2p community good quality too

[chilly zenith]

it’s definitely happened on multiple occasions

[cursive prism]

There are only quite a few who defends them tbh, and also most of tgc's white knights are new players. So we can't rly blame them if they weren't aware of tgc's "past" antics. But then they go and use their small portion of white knights to make a decision where MOST of the community is against of bcus "some players are ok with it "

[dusty oar]

The speculation that people are doing here regarding how much tgc cares about their playerbase is not something id consider a true full picture lol. Ive been trying to look for constructive critiques here but all the proper comments are overshadowed by players throwing a thantrum over a 3 day old beta version

[ocean cedar]

The same thing keeps happening over and over again. Better hold them accountable this time.

[hoary goblet]

People can have their opinions and defend TGC if they choose to, just like you're free to your opinions, let's not start name calling with the 'white knights'

[deft solar]

guys, maybe just maybe, at first tgc be like: hey u know what lets make somethin cute for ALL player to make them happy in halloween day
boom cute cat hair
but then when they see the wild reaction of sky kids
tgc: hmmm.. nope....
at least at first they still have heart guys🤣

[rocky verge]

people complain abt the same thing over and over again cus tgc has a history of NOT LISTENING despite constructive feedback, clearly the quality of feedback isn't working so it's quantity players r going for and if they're not making the game for players' enjoyment, what r they making this game for...

i've been on this game for over 2 years so i can guarantee that majority of the complaints isn't even about this isolated update abt days of mischief, it's abt everything that's been going on MONTHS yet nothing has changed, that is why ppl r complaining and this days of mischief item is simply what broke the camel's back

[wild yoke]

Yes same but some of the players has gone too far for what I’ve seen

@sage dagger agreed with you

[agile hazel]

All the feedback goes into #beta-feedback. We're just ranting here for our own sake so it doesn't matter too much. Though I agree it does get out of hand quite often

[dire egret]

If TGC ignores us for months, then yeah, I will eat my words and agree that they are just the greedy company everyone thinks they are, but until then I believe we've just gotta have a bit of faith and hope that they listen to the community (they have done it before) and do something, whether that is lower the prices, or change the hair back to IGC + remodel mask.

@dusty oar I agree with you 100% - I don't even think its a 3 day old beta yet lol. There hasn't been enough time to fully judge TGC's actions yet, not without a proper response.
@rocky verge what about days of rainbow pants and the sword pants? they listened to the community and made them IGC

[winter garden]

this is exactly the reason why i think that this game sooner or later will be played only by newbies. veterans will abandon it as soon as this 'company' continue acting this way.

[still mauve]

I understand your point but it shouldn't be taken lightly after all it's not we're not judging them based on 3 days we're judging them on 3 years

[cursive prism]

I just used the term bcus a white knight's meaning is someone who comes to something/someone's aid, right? Sorry for the word if it offended anyone. It wasn't my intention.

[spark lance]

This is not the first time, just remember last year with the IAPs they put for little prince instead of putting them on the adventure pass. Nothing has changed.

[acoustic osprey]

"Dev needs money to live"
So players don't need money?
Every event is like that. Only one or two items are free
And the pack is too much

[woeful sinew]

well let's hope they listen to us again. but if they don't.
we really cant just keep giving any faith or hope anymore

[low dew]

already have
People are planning to come back for cat hair
But as soon as they heard TGC changed the hair,they dont even wanna come back anymore knowing the company are getting worse

[sage dagger]

THANK YOU

[hoary goblet]

But TGC has in fact ignored us for months, and years. I was the exact same a year ago before I took a deep dive into their past actions that are actually quite hidden from the community. Highly recommend in taking a deep dive into it as well

[dusty oar]

Rainbow pants adjustments get ignored cause all the focus is directed to a hairstyle now. It's a bummer honestly. But that's the last thing ill say about it.

Gonna mute the beta talk cause its ruining my sky expierence.

[fleet hollow]

Oh wow

[rocky verge]

i've mentioned rainbow pants situation already and regarding the sword pants, yes they kept it as IGC but then r we gonna forget how much they bumped up the price for asteroid cape?

[neat wagon]

Honestly might just stop buying in app purchases if they keep treating us like this. theres already alot of iaps from last days of mischief + season of aurora should bring them in alot of money

[dire egret]

White knighting is people defending TGC to the core and ignoring every wrongdoing, I may seem like one but I still have my criticisms of them. (Lack of communication, the unneeded cat mask remodel, and the stupid pricing of items especially mischief its like £100+ for everything)

[ocean cedar]

There's gonna be whales in live that will still buy them unfortunately.

[still mauve]

Exactly the package is 3 times the AP and it's not enjoying if it was a mistake why give the hair a specific price ? If it was a mistake it would've been in the tree with no price it would've seemed like they haven't FULLY decided but when they give it a specific price and then take it away cuz of cash it's overstepping boundaries.

@dusty oar were not focused on only one thing you fail to understand us sadly I hope you sooner realize some things , if the beta channel is RUINING ur experience I'm sorry to say but this is the sad truth and the truth hurts as always it's about sky and the company if you saw that it's negative out here you shouldn't have came here after all if it's so disturbing.

[cursive prism]

And that's just really sad if they do keep on with their actions, cus sooner or later new players'll be vets in no time and then the cycle repeats 😦 But oh well i guess.

[hoary goblet]

You're all good dw. White knights is often used an insult towards those defending someone or something. It's even used towards those aren't by definition a 'white knight.' It's pretty much just an insult to disregard someone's opinion no matter what the opinion actually is

[white latch]

Hello and goodbye

[chilly zenith]

which is exactly why they muted it

[molten snow]

And they still have thatskyshop apart from IAPs

[winter garden]

this is what they deserve🤷🏻‍♀️🤷🏻‍♀️ if developers haven't the will to change their behavior and dont think about veterans (also F2P players) i think that we will soon abandon this game, that they are ruining sooo badly

[agile hazel]

We're only focused on the cat hair and mask since that's literally the only thing we have a chance at changing rn. There's so many more issues concerning bad communication and iaps from the past but we can't do anything about that since they're already done and gone.

[dire egret]

in fairness...we're not forced to buy the IAP's, TGC does need some money for paying staff and constantly keeping the servers up (and probably more behind the scenes stuff) I'm not saying this excuses the stupid pricings of the packs, but its not the same situation between players and devs imo

[lunar bluff]

[deft solar]

[half patrol]

[spark lance]

[still mauve]

Like I said if the channel is ruining ur experience why come into it and comment about it? Like they came into this channel seeing very well what's happening and they decided to stay? It doesn't seem very logical to me but if I'm offending anyone i apologize but if as a player you come here and then comment about our " tantrum" then it's better not to say anything at all

[cursive prism]

Oh! So that's what it is. Ty for the knowledge haha. And sorry for the term again

[low dew]

They have more than enough chances for money sqeezing from upcoming season,yet the IAP from the event are still ALOT 6 IAP and only 3 free,not a fair chances for F2P

[acoustic osprey]

Are they also short of money? The number of packs is double the free items. And even though it's an old pack, it's still hot right?

[hoary goblet]

They received a $160 million donation not too long ago and get an estimate of $20 (correct me on the number, I think it's 24) million per year

[broken gyro]

oh damn the discussion hasn't ended
its been like 9 hours
2-3 DAYS WHAT THE HELLL 😭

[rocky verge]

i mean u know if by chance tgc decides to not come to some sort of middle ground with the players regarding this, one way to send a msg would be for everyone to boycott that specific IAP lol

@velvet fog 😭 😂 😭 skfhskhdfsdf

[agile hazel]

I honestly don't expect tgc to change much. But at the very least they can communicate more clearly with us. It'd be nice to get a statement on why they set certain prices. I would be more understanding and that'd help me see if it's worth spending my time to convince tgc to change things.

[woeful sinew]

i doubt it'll end any time soon either.

[velvet fog]

Msg uhh for fried rice? Sorry I was reading your message and my brain so suddenly thinking of this I know msg is message

[lunar bluff]

[near tiger]

this is war ! SKY KID.... ASSEMBLE

[spark lance]

👏👏👏 then let's not buy the IAPs. because we all know they're not forcing us to buy. that price can buy me food.
sad my wallet because i can't afford price higher than $5 ( i even can't afford more than $2)

[elfin delta]

It has been.. a day and 12 hours

[sage dagger]

Let them keep defending the multimillionare company

[deft solar]

going to eat dinner, will come back and see where this talk will go, see ya guys, keep typin

[elder inlet]

and i still cant login...

[dire egret]

technically 2 iap bundles and 1 free because a lot of items are returning ones, so the ratio of P2P-F2P is alright, but the quality isnt which is unfortunate. The new cat mask is a sad excuse of an item for the f2p's, I feel it'd be more fair if the mask was actually good looking

[spark lance]

I'm literally eating popcorn rn and watching this all happening lmao

what the

[chilly zenith]

no no, not saying you did anything weong

i just didn’t really see an issue with coming in and reading, and then getting bummed by what’s happening, which is expected bc of what’s happening with tgc

also bc i dont wanna wait for cooldown, people should eb allowed to share their opinions. as long as they understand they’re being respectful, which not a lot of is happening right now

[acoustic osprey]

devs despise F2P or what?

[neat wagon]

i can see long paragraphs getting deleted

[ocean cedar]

F to the person who sent a text wall but got deleted 😔

@robust delta Thanks

[wild yoke]

Agree

[echo ermine]

F

[robust delta]

I like your name

[velvet fog]

Imagine in one circle buyying IAPs
In one circle there's 5 person who's buyying IAPs, imagine more if there's a 100 circles who buyying IAPs or more 🗿 and the IAPs prices are $20

[low dew]

The free hair from the 2time event look good
Why change the cat hair to mask? Just because people like it alot??
Also the TS mask are even wayyyy cheaper than the event mask even if they decided to change the cat mask back😕😕😕

[broken gyro]

sorry, the cat mask is so ugly now. it looked better before and it'd be nice if they improved it based on the last mask or changed it back to the original one (and ik its still in the erly testing stages but ;? i dont see why they had to release the new one if its undergoing changes)

[spark lance]

Anyway who's chat that has been deleted?? 😮

@cursive prism idk but seems like so?? that one with long paragraph? i hope it's not true though

[fleet cape]

Wow, it's still going on 🤩

So, anything important about TGC actually respoding?

[cursive prism]

someone's chat has been deleted?

@spark lance woops, it has started.

[hoary goblet]

It's the weekends in which they go pretty inactive, everyone needs a break from work lmao. So no. Best to wait til Monday

[cinder spindle]

I wish we could at least have reactions back

[acoustic osprey]

When I found out that cat hair became IAP, I was so disappointed
Please, it's not just cats that make money, there are also 2 bat capes, the witch hair, pumpkin hair, and every pack and the other adventure pass

[robust delta]

If only my boss think like this

[still mauve]

bruh my whole paragraph was not sent for many people and it's annoying I'll try to make it shorter and resume to some words.

@chilly zenith I apologize for my misunderstanding.

@sour knot some ppl have been mad over this so they get mad when someone comes in supporting tgc regrading knowing nothing about what they've done to players. I do agree that some have taken it too far with the insults it's better to talk in a civilized way

@spark lance my chat was deleted and it was really long trying to explain some things it's kinda annoying having to do it again but let's keep calm a bit, however I'm gonna copy the paragraph in case it gets deleted.

[sly bough]

They are asking for recap of what's happening here

[spark lance]

The cat hair was just the straw that broke the camel's back. From what I've known, seen, and heard TGC has been doing this for a while.

Example little prince IAP, or even the days of rainbow IAP. The community complained about the IAP items and TGC has changed it so hopefully we can do the same by sending feedback and letting them hear us.

Honestly I hope the communication between players and TGC gets better because at this rate..it's not looking so good

@lunar bluff

TGC released new cat hairstyle
Everyone loved it
Hairstyle turned IAP
Community criticized
Cat hair been switched to cat mask
Cat mask got downgraded a ton (doesn't even look like a cat anymore)
More criticism

[agile hazel]

Any beta oldies remember how long chat was on fire for over sword pants? Wanna see if we can set a new record

[tidal aurora]

big brain moment: next time somethin cool comes out for f2p we WONT say NOTHIN

[sharp ice]

exactly what happened

[chilly zenith]

the censoring system in this server is rage inducing

[vast tendon]

Next time when I see a beautiful free item I would just say “bruh it’s ugly as hell, I won’t gonna exchange it 🙄” but unfortunately I can’t see that day come because I’ll quit this game soon 🎉👋

[cursive prism]

Watch them make the cat hair for like 400 regular candles

[broken gyro]

the days of rainbow pants is what kinda tipped me off about how they handle their community
if you remember, the rainbow suspenders were originally going to be an iap but after hearing some backlash from youtubers online, they suddenly changed it to igc

it kinda looked as if they don't listen to the community on discord and look to sky ccs instead for feedback which kinda sucks

[dire egret]

at that point i'd rather it be IAP lol

[lunar bluff]

elders come pick me up, im scared
(not a beta player and frankly still confused, so im just waiting for live?)

[velvet fog]

IM WHEEEZING SO HARD 😂😂

[north patrol]

Couple of days if I recall right, but I don’t recall how many days exactly :’)

[rocky nest]

sad we have to resort to this.

anyway keep the fire and the paragraphs going guys, till they hear us

[feral marlin]

delete cuz im not gonna give them idea

[waxen charm]

Watch me speedrun everyday to just get it

[spark lance]

Wait how long was it tho??

[bright fox]

ngl we should really do that
i think the main reason they changed it to an IAP is because they saw that everyone liked it so much, so they figured out that a lot of people would buy it giving them lots of money

[still mauve]

I would say If it's igc again it should be around the same price as it was released or just around 150-200 nothing else

@Jun.#2613 If the cat hair is gonna be downgraded or made ugly when it comes back the community won't take it anymore.

[low dew]

Not everyone can buy it since country bank limitation nor they have the fund to🙄
If you ask people to spend 20$ for cat bundle,they rather pay 400 candle

[analog current]

is there an explanation for what the map shrines actually are? are we supposed to go to every map shrine there is to get the most out of the feature?

[uneven lotus]

Farming 40 hours a day so I can get the hair

[acoustic osprey]

TGC change the mask, I'll see that TGC is very bad🐔 Is it different from looking down on the F2P..?

[gentle ice]

I've already quit because of this, it's stressing as h... to wait for something and receive a thing completely different...

[spark lance]

owww deym, i would rather not buy even though it's gonna be iap or igc. i don't have much time for cr and Don't have money to buy iap

[elder inlet]

check pins btw over cat mask,it should be changed sometime during testing oh wait thats not the exact message, there was one which said this current was just a placeholder and wasnt final- my brain i swear

[glass ridge]

TGC has changed so much......

[hexed wave]

i am so upset about the cat hair becoming IAP players who cant afford paying getting left overs again.

[vast tendon]

Same, I’m still here just because one of my friends insisted in sending me a seasonal pass and I don’t wanna waste it 😂

[dire egret]

400 candles is 20 days of full candle running (all 20 candles everyday which is super taxing) or £100 worth of candles...idk i think i'd rather spend £20 because the cape looks nice too

[broken gyro]

helpPP I THINK I FOLLOW YOU ON IG BROO PLS UR ART IS SO PRETTY I LOVE

[rocky nest]

it's been almost like what, 48 hours (?) and still no response or letter from the developers. treat us badly then get angry when we speak up about it because this thing was apparently planned a week ago but didn't have the decency to tell us anD they're hiding the price which is petty on their part. screw f2p players right? what's next? winglight iaps? capes with benefits? better stop now before I give them ideas

[late sonnet]

I think also people are exhausted by the fact that, even if rainbow and sword pants became IGC, it caused so much grief and so much energy was expended for that change to be made.
And the way sword pants was implemented after two TS that cost about 200 candles each left a sour taste in a lot of people's mouths. I even call that part of the game's past the 600 candle death
So yes change is made, but at the cost of a lot of hurt feelings.

[spark lance]

AYOO?

[thin bobcat]

Hello

[still mauve]

Yes but it's still outrageous that they've downgrade cuz it's for igc currently.

Different part
Did someones reply to me just get deleted-

[low dew]

Even if the cat mask change
It is still expensive compairing to other seasonal mask🙄🙄🙄 the fox,racoon,birds mask are even better and CHEAPER

[agile hazel]

Read pinned messages for a dev response. Also it's the weekend so there won't be changes, if any, until Monday

[acoustic osprey]

Halloween event looked at the whole pack and pack, got 1-2 items bought with candles, but still gave it all to the pack, damn

[flat ice]

！

[glass ridge]

I don't believe the change in tgc was made a week ago. I think he was deceiving us into achieving their goal of making money.

[spark lance]

Rather buying 20$ than 400 candles ??? oh wow. 👏👏👏👏

kinda hurt me personally lmao

[undone hornet]

The cat's head is very beautiful and loved by players, and most people are willing to spend money to buy it.

[spark lance]

@lunar bluff
Aa let me try to phase it easier
So, TGC released the cat ear hairstyle. Everyone loved it and was going to farm for it.
TGC saw the good reception, so cat hair turned into IAP. ( There was some miscommunication on the team (I think) )
Once cat hair turned IAP they switched it out for cat mask, which turned IGC, which got downgraded a ton and is now the angry mask.
Players are disappointed and now a lot of criticism.
I don't know how long this discussion has been going on for.

@deft solar

[safe glade]

In the pinned messages there is Robert (community dev) communication about the general dissatisfaction and how they are willing to proceed.
We need to wait till monday.

[dire egret]

Beta changes can take up to 2 days to be sent off and published...and there was only a days wait between the cat hair release and the cat hair being changed so I think its highly unlikely it was a deceptive practise or manipulation from positive reception

[ornate rover]

I don't think the cat hair is worth it, most hairs are too uninteresting to be worth the price of actual money

[thin bobcat]

Why there's a problem with beta like internet connection is low and why is that.. It take a lot of longer time than ever.....??? When my internet connection is totally okay is it a problem or can it be fixed soon as possible? Anyone please help me.. With this.. And why is that the cat pet in Aurora season is such that it throws up the sky kid.

[low dew]

Ikr
Some act like 20$ worth the shot
Even tho in different country currency are soooo expensive!!!
My friend even got so shooked at me buying pass for them since in their country it cost a ton

[still mauve]

Of course nobody has to believe tgc or their excuses but the excuse they made this time isn't forgiving. After all that's why players are mad they profit , after all players have stopped playing sky and decided to quit and some will quit sooner ( can relate cuz I might too )

Different part
I feel bad for the person's reply to me getting deleted

[rocky nest]

@agile hazel let's just hope it's a good change. I fr thought the 'letter' was from a regular member. but it's not rlly only about the cathair as much as its cool

ah yes the broke era, summer event was it? juggler, crab call ts and the sword pants which I regret buying, they don't look that nice but it's my opinion, other people may enjoy it. many ppl felt the need to buy candle packs from the pressure

[waxen charm]

I think this'll go on for 2 days now haha well good night you all i hope something would actually change and be hydrated and eat well byeee

[ocean cedar]

We're gonna have to wait until Monday for them to fix it cuz they're pretty much on a weekend break now.
If they're gonna fix it ofc..

[north patrol]

Honestly, I feel even if some people can afford to spend $20, there are other players who would rather spend the 20-30 days doing CR because that’s the most optimal choice for them. Like yes, spend $20, but at what cost though, missing out on school lunch for a week? Hurts to know some people can afford spending money and won’t empathise with those who can’t or choose not to.

[wild yoke]

NIGHT

[hoary goblet]

An average full candle run is 4 hours. More or less depending on your route and all. People have jobs, school and other life related responsibilities in which they can't even spend an hour everyday doing nothing but collect wax. 20 candles per day seems rewarding but once you take into account the average price for everything, how long it takes and the fact that unless you're out of school or job, it's not that rewarding and you won't have a spare 4 hours. For many people getting 400 candles will take months.

[agile hazel]

The timeline from what I understand it would be
-OG mask and hair are part of the 1st build
-1st build gets sent off for review, since it's a new major update it can take 1-2 weeks for review
-TGC decide to change hair to IAP and redesign the mask
-Changes are added to 2nd build and send off for review which can take up to 48 hours
-Information is not communicated to Sagomay
-1st build gets released with incorrect information
-2nd build gets released roughly 24 hours later and all hell breaks loose

[undone haven]

Its not about the cathair, its the last straw of their predatory choices to reap money from childrens pockets with high prices on popular things. As well as ignoring bug/requests that have not been fixed since the launch of the game (No cutscene option)

[elder inlet]

i just need pack/newer iaps to not be base priced at 15/20+ like please currency exist and even if its not for that,iaps are already highly overpriced. yes i get some of you can afford it but what we're doing rn is at least hoping for prices to be reduced or even better- a wanted item as igc because mischief is already full of expensive iaps

[dire egret]

Yeah I 100% agree with you, I can barely do 15 a day because of college work, so sometimes I feel I'd rather buy an IAP than buy something like sword pants (which I regrettably ended up grinding days of my holidays last year for). Taking into account daily quests aswell which take up to 30 minutes (if its that godforsaken 'please dont go' spirit)

[low dew]

Ngl
We can buy 4 well made breakfasts for just 5$ in my country

[deft solar]

maybe tgc has predicted this, so now the angry mask is more suitable for us, angry sky kids, oh😱they can predict future

[broken gyro]

frrr the target audience for this game was clearly meant for children/teenagers or wtv because they made the game family friendly

[ocean cedar]

People have been asking for 'Light all friends option' but did they listen? No, they make excuse for it

[spark lance]

And also tbh if it's really 400 candles. then playing sky will like a chores than enjoyment. For some that busy irl (especially teen players) can't afford with both expensive iap and igc.
Like when the sword pants. i can't get the sword pants because that time i choose juggler and back then i don't have many candles

[velvet fog]

Also delayed patches for Android last time make me disappointed for this , also confirmed bug they didn't fix it yet I said it's confirmed bug 🗿 and going to live versions I feel sad and useless as a beta tester send bug reports and everyone also do reports same bug and they won't fix it

[cursive prism]

they still don't implement the light all friends option (i doubt they would ever lol) bcus "iT iS mUcH mOrE sPeciAl iF u LiGhT uR fRiEnD's CaNdlE iNdiViDuAlY fRoM tHe hEaRt"

[broken gyro]

riiight
in america the total cost for all the miechief items alone is $120 but over here its $165 which is ridiculous

[safe goblet]

Haha and if you don’t your a really bad friend that doesn’t care about others ☝️/j

[ornate rover]

Oh no I agree with all of that. I'm just saying another dumb reason to add the cat hair to the bundle is its not going to be worth the $30 it will probably be. It doesn't go well with the cape in my opinion and I would have rather had the mask. It probably would have a little better if it was it's own iap item but it's still stupid that they initially had it as a free item

[cedar grotto]

as much as i understand tgc is a company that needs to earn a livin, the way theyve gone about stuff recently is pretty scummy. also no reason for igc options to be so few and/or expensive (lets say they made the cat hair 400 candles for instance). could be a far more lenient balance between iap and igc cosmetics and prices, especially considering how many events they have -- the player base wouldnt be so unhappy, and they would still be earnin money 🙄 happy players r more likely to pay up

[agile hazel]

Yeah it's a ridiculous excuse but at least they gave us a 'reason' so I know not to waste my time trying to convince them to add it. Unlike for other issues like IAPs, photosensitivity issues, game UI etc

[limpid moat]

Hi everyone, just dropping to see almost everyone still raging at tgc current beta update, and i applaud u guys! TATAKAE!!!
(just got off from work so bit tired but i'll join raging on Monday)

[velvet fog]

Imagine 🗿 @low dew @broken gyro sowwe for ping

[gentle ice]

In (Reais, R$) it's like half a minimum wage (560 BRL).

[elder inlet]

make that times 4 and now tgc items are luxury items... no seriously why are tgc iaps so overpriced ESPECIALLY bundles fortune bundle still traumatizes me it was 25? or something like that

[hot token]

What should I do if I stop the test if my qualification for the test is careless?

[robust delta]

In my country, 20$=468.340,00 dong. Aka 10 normal pizzas

Yes, Imma yonk away foods that can help me survive for a digital 3D cat hair even though If they change to 400 candles and I don't have enough candles, I still be able to wait for the next year cause it will come back

@low dew Nice, talking tree gang less gooo

[spark lance]

Yo i wonder why some message got deleted?????

anyway 400 candles it's just "what if" ok, not official

[rich sparrow]

An 8 + game needs 18 + consumption power, which is really inappropriate

[spark lance]

Probably because of filtered words.

[hoary goblet]

Yeah and I just feel like that also shows how poorly made the candle system is. I don't think we should prefer spending $20 over candle running. Realistically the nature of mobile games is there WILL be something that's out of reach for f2p players, but those games also usually have something for f2p(such as regular compensations, easy tasks that are actually rewarding for f2p players, loads of items for f2p that will balance out the p2w items and etc.) Whereas Sky doesn't have that. You either sacrifice a good chunk of your time to get a single cosmetic or pay. This whole problem honestly stems from how cosmetic focused the game is. I don't we would have such issues if cosmetics weren't the only thing to look forward to and get excited about

[undone haven]

20$ in sky, you get marshmall on stick / 20$ in real life, you get to eat marshmallows for a month.

[shy bronze]

In the UK as well, the usd currency isn't converted into the equivalent amount just as in other countries. 20$ ≠ £20. 20$ = around £17.

[low dew]

Oh well hello my lovely Vietnamese child
Cuz SAME

[cursive prism]

Yep lmao they literally assume the worse. And one more ridiculous thing is how when they implemented the afk = no wax thingy last yr is they sugarcoated it with the reasoning "It's much more special if you're on the phone interacting with your friend 24/7 then just by getting dragged for a candle run" like??????? To say i was ASTONISHED was an understatement.

[ornate rover]

Yeah igc items have been so lacking lately. Even with this event the only igc item is a 90 candle boring tent while the iap items include an overpriced marshmallow kit.

[sage dagger]

19,95€ for spanish people, its basically still not normal to cost that much for just some marshmallows

[dire egret]

Yep...thats why I feel its becoming more like genshin (grinding like half a year of your life for a character, sometimes not even guaranteed) only to enjoy that character for about a month and its just a loop of grinding vs using money, but I do have hope that sky will change or atleast we'll get a nice response which helps everyone

[broken gyro]

im surprised people bought the marshmallow kit though (same for the instruments), a lot of iaps don;t actually have a use, they're just "nice to haves" at best

[drifting stratus]

Umm does anyone can't join the beta version right now ? I downloaded it and when I opened the app, it just me and the ocean background...

[gilded parrot]

📱iOS/Android: Learn about the sign-up process and how to get notified when invites happen in #beta-faq!
Switch: The Switch Beta testing period has ended with Live launch. All future content testing will be conducted on Mobile only.

[gentle ice]

this year they didn't even put an suitable player item type, and then a marshmellow costs this...

[quiet cliff]

Some people have an ocd need to own everything in the game , waste of money in my opinion

[ocean cedar]

It's happening to me too,
They won't fix it until Monday unfortunately.

[hoary goblet]

Wasn't something done about that? A few months ago everything started getting properly converted. The AP is for example £8.99 right now, it was £10 for a long time and it's the same with other mobile games. Not too sure on what happened but I assumed it was changed to proper conversion for everyone?

[undone haven]

In pokemon unite, another expensive free game. You can buy high quality outfits for your character which does not do anything because the game is about pokemons fighting. Here in sky we pay 10-30$ for a cape made out of clay...

[cursive prism]

At least it is worth it tho if ever u do get the desired character u worked hard for (says someone who's on 50/50 and is planning to pull for ganyu and her sig weap with only 18 fates currently )

[ornate rover]

The nice thing about unite is that there's a lot of good free cosmetics that you don't have to grind much for

[fallow delta]

No. TGC and many other games implement a trick dubbed as “FOMO”, or Fear Of Missing Out. By creating a pressured time window it tricks players into feeling a sense of urgency for a limited time cosmetic that will never return. It’s sly, underhanded and psychologically manipulative. On top of that, cosmetics collecting is at the forefront of endgame gameplay loops, and the only thing TGC cares about. The only thing really implemented. That, combined with the intense social atmosphere, means that “owning everything in the game” is forced as priority no 1

[dire egret]

£20 for virtual marshmallows on a stick or £20 for like 20 packs of real marshamallows lol they overpriced the marshmallow stick so hard...it should've come with a campfire tbh
@shy bronze mb i misread

[warped brook]

Even we have the right to decide buying the expensive packages or not, It doesn’t mean TGC can set a unreasonable price.

[low dew]

Yes
The FOMO trick give alot of players an unhealthy obsession of spending wayyy too much money to the game

[hoary goblet]

I think you misread their message. There was no conversion for UK for a long time and some players still don't get proper conversion from what I've seen. $9.99 ap is a £9.99, it's meant to be 8.99, $20 is meant to be £17, but it's still £20 is what they meant.

[stray root]

Remind me or Genshin Impact birthday

@sage dagger They already vote every 1* in ios and android, some app not from Hoyoverse

[tardy hawk]

man— we still don’t have reactions back? lmao devs know they messed up, now they’re covering it— lovely. how long is cooldown now?

three minutes

ELEVEN YESTERDAY??? no way—

oh my god they must be sick of chat— well they can stay sick until things change

aside, but living for the marshmallow pack slander

[feral marlin]

ikr 😒 it was 11min yesterday
YE LMAO it is 11min 11 second

[broken gyro]

why did thet take reactions in the first place lmaooa

[undone haven]

My shock when i bought the blue cape thinking it was something special...

[cursive prism]

Omg i thought i was the only one having this problem. I deleted beta a few weeks ago cus it was taking too much space then just downloaded it the other day again just to check what's up but it only shows the ocean screen without the buttons and whatnot

[sage dagger]

What does genshin have to do with this? (Not a in a bad way)

[silent anchor]

They know they messed up but are they gonna fix it tho

[shy bronze]

I'm saying I would have to pay £20 for an item that actually costs £17
@hoary goblet I had to pay £20 for the DoB teaset priced at 20$ :/ idk how recently that update was made though so it could have been after that

[ornate rover]

I bought the Nintendo switch starter pack because it came with 4 cosmetics, candles, and access to a secret area. Meanwhile an item that is $10 cheaper is just a marshmallow on a stick 💀

[fallow delta]

Am UK, can confirm that prices still aren’t fully adjusted.
Or really adjusted at all.

Yep, the AP is still a tenner

[spark lance]

maybe as example. tbh genshin is more worst. like y'know they never silent about event (and i heard this new sumeru event and especially character has been criticized)

[dire egret]

i havent had troubles with conversion so idk if its different in different uk places i've always payed a bit less than the dollar amount

[robust delta]

Not a genshin player much but I did heard from my friend and my brother that the gift from the anniversary was pretty bad (too less of gift for players I think)

[low dew]

Cookierun be looking generous compairing to sky

[mortal shale]

Mad but not surprised TGC keeps doing a horrible communication job like this after Days of Rainbow; despite last year's promises of clarity about who they fund with our money, they still didn't reveal the charities for this year.
I don't trust TGC to tell me the truth after that.

[hoary goblet]

Weird, the conversion for me was fixed months ago? I assumed it was like that for everyone, that's really annoying. So the AP is still £10? (9.99)

Edit: yikes it still is😭

[spark lance]

Turning off reactions is a godsend now people can speak their minds without being intimidated or influenced by mob reactions 💀

[tardy hawk]

anyways

[sage dagger]

Ohhh, it was sooo bad and everyone was so mad💀 now i understand, thanks

[shy bronze]

I think the days of love event was converted, at least for the swing it was the right amount of £
The trouble is, it's so undependable I never know how much I'm actually going to pay :/
Heard it's worse in other countries too

[fallow delta]

It truly is awful, anyone outside the us always gets shafted by the utter failure (by anyone) to adjust prices

Anyways, I’m gonna go, I have low battery. Keep up the riot, make em listen

[ornate rover]

Canada usually has problems with price conversion too. Stuff is usually $5 more expensive

[patent skiff]

I already bought the items from last year so.. there’s only one new igc item and a lot more iaps.. well then.. lol

[teal spire]

Is it still going?

[flat ice]

我

[spark lance]

It also weeds out those that fish for reactions. I hope it stays off for a bit longer

I also don't have problems in conversion but the price can't afford my wallet (because in my country 20$ is 200.000+ Rupiah) and really not wallet friendly

[fervent wedge]

Mamang2 whyy whyy 😭😭😭😭

[tardy hawk]

that’s fair of ya to think, but it’s a quick way to show support for ideas, messages, and other such things. it feels odd to quiet that side of things.

[weary rock]

Wkwkwk

[cedar grotto]

the fact theyre so pressed abt money that they can't let the community have 1 significant + accessible cosmetic once in a while to keep em happy lmao (excluding seasons, i personally think they're workin alright)

[ocean cedar]

At least Genshin gives REAL contents to their players instead of just crumbs of lore.

Sky contents are literally just cosmetics and waiting 2 weeks for new quests.

In the end, at least players know they're signing up for gacha
And Sky is advertised as a casual friendly game but somehow has abundance of IAPs and lots of grinding needed the get the only content TGC releases

[spark lance]

It’s also a quick way to put down ideas when things get heated, which is I’m guessing why they disabled it. I think people are too easily influenced by them and end up not digesting any other opinions

[boreal jewel]

Lol ig chaos has been vanishing now, I hoped my suggestion went to staffs which I gave in feedback

[undone haven]

T_e_r_r_a_r_i_a d_e_v_s a_d_d p_o_o_p b_l_o_c_ks.
Community: "this is what we ever wanted in our lives" (it gets c_e_n_s_o_r_e_d here)

[fervent wedge]

listen to them. they are all sad don't make easy things difficult they need relief

[weary rock]

Shap

[robust delta]

I don't think the chaos got vanished, it still there with "several people are typing". It just being slowed down

because the 3 minute slow mode

[low dew]

We can have way more foods with same amount of money for a cat hair in game

[dense egret]

talking about average price of iap (2 items+candle pack), in russia, we can eat healthy the whole two weeks on this money

so maybe it is too much for the digital cosmetic don't ya think :eye: :lips: :eye:

[spark lance]

Yeah sky definitely lacks real meat on its bones, I wish there was more to keep us around

[cedar grotto]

how delusional/money hungry does a company have to be to set these prices??? yes people will still buy the stuff, bc its all we're gettin, but is it reasonable???? nawww

[rotund reef]

Why do you guys keep comparing Sky to other games? Sky is its own game. It’s never going to be like Genshin or Cookie Run… so why the comparisons? Why are you guys even playing Sky if it’s not enough for you?

[spark lance]

and compensations!

^ here comes "stop playing if" people got attached to game and don't want to see changes that makes harm to game and community

[hoary goblet]

Completely agree. The funniest thing about this is-is this season, the quests. It was a huge downgrade from past seasons and proves how cosmetic based sky is. You attend a shard event and get placed into a black room with a couple 3D models. No lore, no spirits, nothing, which is really disappointing. All we got was cosmetics, and a new event to get more currency to get more cosmetics

[chilly zenith]

sky IS something for them. they wouldn’t be complaining if it wasn’t. if it was nothing for them, they would’ve left by now

[spark lance]

Instead of buying iaps maybe amount of iaps in my country can buy one real cat XD. but welp my dreams is picking up some foster kitten or stray cat because i will learn to take care of them (◕ᴗ◕✿)

[feral marlin]

Because im not gonna waste my 2 year playing ? all of my hard working are in there

[broken gyro]

there isn't going to be a game that doesn't have bad feedback, if there is, name it.
this is a discussion channel. we're allowed to express our opions on how tgc handles things in their game

[low dew]

I have played all three
Compairing make me see how unhealthy amount of money i have spent in sky and how unfair it was to F2P players

[gilded tree]

Other games
Sorry we got a maintenance and bugs here a compensation

Sky
Sorry we got bug and maintenance.
-no compensation

Oops, we got fatal bug and players can't cr for a few days bcz of the crash bug uhm, here fill this google form and we will send you that hope we are still remember lol

That's the difference in nutshell being compared together

[heavy solar]

I still remembered the in game yellow umbrella costs around 5 normal umbrellas in rl 🤣

[spark lance]

The IAP are exaggerated and way too many. I don't have money issue and could afford them but bruh, even people like me who can afford them don't want to pay 10/15€ for a cape or a hairstyle. That's just too much and ridiculous.

Yall are really comparing sky with gacha game? GACHA GAMES?!
THE most predatory and harmful style of games out there that put several people on dept ??? That make children literally addicted on gambl#ng ??? 🤦🤦🤦

[hoary goblet]

Because people are passionate about this game and want improvements. If people didn't want the best for Sky, they would've left and stopped playing long ago. A lot of people are seeing how Sky lacks in pretty much everything, and comparing them to other games helps that. All people want is bare minimum, proper compensations and communication

[agile hazel]

I don't like the comparisons either, only reasonable comparison point would be compensation tbh.

As for your second point, it may not come off like it but we love the game for a multitude of reasons. We want the game to be better for everyone hence why we beta test, give feedback etc. If we hate the game we wouldn't even be here. We're mad because we don't want what we love to become bad

[low dew]

imagine paying 5$ for a pack and get more than 10 pulls,or more characters than paying 20$ for just 1 hair+1 cape 😕😕😕

[spark lance]

as if sky being for kids isn't predatory for collecting type people who literally beg parents for money because they have to show

[undone haven]

Compare sky to t_e_r_r_a_r_i_a instead. The game is cheap and the community/dev relationship is one of the best that ever was.

[cedar grotto]

tgc is a business, and as a business it is GOING to be compared w similar businesses to find out what works and what doesn't. the only reason people are engaging in this conversation is because they want the game to improve so we have a reason to continue pouring love, time and money into it. 🤌

[robust delta]

We are Asian parents

[dense egret]

this.

[spark lance]

This is by no means the end all be all of IAP research, but if you want some perspective on why IAPs are priced high: https://alexandremacmillan.com/2019/01/24/determining-your-iap-price-points-hint-make-it-expensive/

TL;DR pricing things low even though it increases sales never comes close to making the same revenue. People who spend money on games will more often than not spend at a generous range. People who don’t spend money, generally never will

[rotund reef]

Ok now that’s understandable. But the games mentioned above are all money sinks as well from what I’ve seen and heard about them. Idt Sky should be like Genshin or Cookie Run.

Been hanging around this chat since the update and it looks like the majority of players complaining just want more f2p cosmetics. Idk where all the comparisons is coming from is all. Anyway praying we get an update after this weekend 🙏

[lavish trellis]

everyone was happy with the hair, and the kit was a good kit, without the hair, it would sell a lot, this strategy is totally greedy, they even changed the mask, really I'm tired of sky guys they did it in the little prince with the umbrella now with that

[ornate rover]

Other game companies usually send everyone the compensation even if they didn't experience the issues. It's probably much easier for them to just mass send out compensation, but tgc just seems so worried about giving players anything free

You even get good compensation in some games for maintenance that is scheduled

[spark lance]

I'm thinking that those two icons in the last mission of the season are some of the cosmetics that are in the season, it will be just like the little prince

[shy ore]

Even Android 8 crash fix too in the next build. eats a bunch of WAFOs

[spark lance]

Yall still have to pay something
In the end sky is much more fulfilling than those gacha games
You can put your 5 $ but you still get crushed by other players
And what can make sure you dont waste your 5$ getting nothing?
5$ and more 5$ and more and more That's how gacha works
In the end it's all pixels
I made friends by sky what you got on gacha games?

[robust delta]

May I asked what happened at the little prince time? I was too focus on juggler coming back I didn't know people were mad at st in little prince

[gilded tree]

True, like the abyss case my moth friend literally quit bcz of the poor help and not getting compensation at all despite being the andro 8 bug victim.

Til this day I am still upset at them for being this picky filling google form but in the end not all of the bug victim get it.

[dense egret]

these green pants were iap originally

[fast tartan]

thank you for sharing this, looks like an insightful article

wanting the game to be more balanced between paid and free cosmetics is one thing, but criticizing the business model is something else. you can dislike both for sure, but at the end of the day people who can pay these high prices fund events, seasons and all the free content for everyone else without ads or actual gambling mechanics so the comparisons aren't entirely fair imo

[fervent wedge]

I hope TGC changes the concept of IAPS, because it's so expensive, even my wallet doesn't have enough to buy it. I don't agree with making cat hair become a expensive IAPS. I hope TGC reconsider this matter

[spark lance]

Yes
Maybe it should be some pants or cape
if it is, it will be a little prince 2.0

[tight sinew]

because those pants were a RESKIN that yall were gonna charge 15 bucks for lol,why does ktjn treats us like were dumb

[rotund reef]

The whole android thing is probably the biggest issue that ever existed.

[spark lance]

The sword pants used to be 15usd and then they changes it to 200 candles after lots of feedback. Then juggler came while sword pants were there, and people thought it was on purpose

Flash forward to today: sword pants are not a very popular item despite all the fuss

[low dew]

Say like i dont have friends on all three games,that is a bad compairation,i dont appriciate that
But people in sky pay to look cool like others,isnt that just same effect like gacha games you are saying?
Yet the price is high and there are alot of childs in here trying to act like they are whale and got into unhealthy money spending problem

[royal mantle]

Fatal bug, still no compensation

Ok maybe we feeling pitiful on y'all so here have 15 candles and few spells as compensation for a week of bug where you missed 20*7= 140 candles

I wish that worked Fabiano

[lavish trellis]

I propose a boycott if tgc doesn't go back, doesn't buy the kit, so it learns not to screw its players

[robust delta]

aah alright, thenks

@dense egret also thenks

[ornate rover]

Just voice your opinions on the app store and bring down the ratings

[tame merlin]

Ummm yeah no that wont happen but nice try buddy

[hasty vessel]

EXACTLY! Say it louder!

Are y’all forgetting that tgc literally introduced an entire system for f2p players to gain all cosmetics from a season other than the ultimates you have the ability to farm candles and buy any cosmetics from a ts whether or not it required a seasonal pass?

Iaps are just another way of driving the game, some of y’alls arguments are demonising tgc to a level that is seriously unrealistic. Fair enough they have expensive iaps. All games have flaws but atleast tgc has provided alternative routes to keep f2p players engaged some of y’all seem to be missing that…

[ocean cedar]

[fast tartan]

i've spent some money in sky, but i've done so knowing exactly what i was getting so i'd say it's different from gacha in that regard. and though there is a social aspect in customization, it's still just about customization and not gameplay elements unlike many gacha games out there

[tight sinew]

its so funny seeing the devs say "were not quiteing you!!" bestie there's a 3 minute cool down and no reactions,is it that hard to say "we messed up and that was greeby on our behalf" ???

[hoary goblet]

Unfortunately unless 50%+ players get on it, it won't really work. It rarely works in general and unless majority of the players get on it, a company won't lose a lot. A good chunk of the community is still pretty dedicated to TGC or have neutral opinions. Game companies gain new players everyday who will spend, so a small group of people not buying or leaving won't do anything

[sonic oar]

I hope they won't bring back the cat hair but make it an extreme amount of candles like the sword pants. At that point I'd rather pay for it.

[ashen tusk]

Reminder to anybody choosing to leave reviews on the app stores, do as you will but don't mention any beta content.

[lavish trellis]

so it continues to be complained why the company of a game always aims more profit than quality friend

[brazen gorge]

It’s cuz y’all were acting like jerks besties

[karmic brook]

If they wanted money they could idk make the hair 100 candles so people would have to buy candles, but there's the possibility of getting it if you play the game a lot

[safe goblet]

Not every sky players have discord or will do it ,like there is a lot of new players or people that couldn’t buy iap last time will let their chance to have them ,so this will never work I think

[dusty crystal]

I love it tho, I would like to buy it with igc but I was a moff🥲

[ornate rover]

F2p players have to spend hours a day getting candles though to gain the cosmetics. Not a very realistic alternative route since not everyone has the time to get the same candles over and over every single day

Plus they have to wait over a year to be able to even get the items from the ts

[spark lance]

actually no reactions is good because people could feel very intimidated by reactions from bunch of kids trying invalidate your opinion without saying their own

[gilded tree]

Sure the IAPs are for them to pay their staff too and we pay for the content

However, does that mean the f2ps will have to get the meh cosmetics because they can't buy it?

[spark lance]

What about candle packs? Isn't driving the game too?
Theres one thing i agree with that person is the lack of new content
Yeah yeah iap are good for the game but in the end they're giving so little new things for players to enjoy without opening their wallets. If you played the game until now what new things you can get on mischief? A mask
But if you pay you get a new prop + cat hair +Cat cape
See the difference? There's no balance

[agile hazel]

This entire chat has been criticising TGC for the past 37 hours. It doesn't seem 'silenced' to me

@spark lance please don't cold ping devs

[fast tartan]

bestie this channel would be flying without the slowmode and reactions 💀 people got no chill for real, this can't be a warzone i wanna actually read discussions not arguments

[spark lance]

Tell me something: if initially that mascara wasn't in your standards, why did you decide to release it anyway? I don't think it was a mistake or an oversight, because if it is, it's a great mediocrity and lack of responsibility to be quite honest.

[distant shore]

im very not updated what items are coming in mischief?

[half plaza]

open your wallet

[hasty vessel]

What?! That’s how game mechanics work what are you even talking about? You either use your time to farm for items or you use your money to buy them?
If f2p players dont have the time to farm for igc then what is the point of making the cat hair cost igc again

[dusty crystal]

Lots of iaps

[spark lance]

nothing interesting if you were last year
open your purse

[royal mantle]

AP are for extra cosmetics during season. Without AP you never know when you get but you get. But not the ultimates.

Traveling spirit concept drives the game for people who can be potential spender on game some day. They're in benifit from it themselves.

Everyone is free to voice their opinions and be critic when required. When people go shout TGC didn't give this or that, it's because they didn't meet that player group expectations. But when the other side, which just go like Oh no, don't say this that etc. TGC is good etc etc, sure they're doing stuff for players but they are doing it for themselves as well. The group which isn't happy with the game descision is also a spender on game. Not all of us here are f2p players lol.

But hey I really wanted the hair to be IGC item because why not?

[low dew]

Fair enough,genshin wouldnt be a good compairation
But cookierun would be the most generous out of all gacha one,they have good fanservice and good pricing tbh,it is a good example for F2P game in general,which Sky used to be on that tier too,but now is not

[agile hazel]

The point is accessibility, more players can get cosmetics if they're igc instead of iap. Not every player due to different factors, but definitely more players

[fast tartan]

this message was sent several hours ago bro, don't ping the devs. while they messed up the timing of communication this is still in beta and nothing is released, let's give it some time

[copper pagoda]

mmm yea actually lol
there was. 11 min cooldown a day or two ago?
legit i think this channel has been going nonstop since the announcement

also (to azaura's msg) the point is that the hair is actually. pretty affordable compared to other recent igc items? especially ts items
you can get the hair easily in the DoM period, at least compared to the leaf cape
its a good start to items that are more friendly to casuals + adding new igc stuff for a previously iap only event (with last years items being the only igc things added at all)

[robust delta]

Wow, I can't believe I used to get dunked on just because I accidently mention too much about the ice rink and have to explain my self for 1 hour but ended up having people looked at me as some kind of spammer and wanting to get attention even though I didn't say any bad stuff to them

and now we're here

37 hours

There are some people name calling and being sarcastic at each other

Dang

[distant shore]

its pretty empty rn i cant even afford the seashell iap
@spark lance

[lavish trellis]

the question is not the sale itself, the problem is to move a free item to payment when all the communication of the item, we already know the reason for this, money money,

[spark lance]

Days of Feast has arguably the most igc items, of great quality. But people still claimed it inaccessible because the total candle count was high for everything. So just making everything igc is not the answer

I rather die than compare sky with a hoyoverse game
The only jiggle physics i want is on my jelly hair

[ornate rover]

I'm talking about situatuons where theres 200 candle pants when there's an over 200 candle ts visiting when most f2p people who play daily get around 400 candles a month. How is that a reasonable mechanic. You can't even grind over the 20 candle limit in a day, you're restricted so you have to spend money on cosmetics. A lot of games offer a lot of good free cosmetics that you have to do minimal grinding for along with their more expensive quality iap items. Tgc can do the same

[royal mantle]

They are free to voice their opinions and ping whoever they desire. Just let them be lol.

@lavish trellis I want it to be IGC but they said it was pre-planned descision so Idk lol. But yeah in the end, they know cat hair is what people want more

[rotund reef]

[dusty crystal]

I would rather farm than spending 20$ for each item

[heavy solar]

Have they still let the fox hair as IAP? 🥺

[half plaza]

tbf the feast items were priced fairly well compared to the horrors of the IGC Prices we see in-game rn (looking at the tent/purple bloom/rainbow)

[open iris]

but they werent saying that all items needed to be igc, just that it needs to be fair both for f2p players and those who spend money on the game
its really NOT fair/balanced when we only get 4 items available to buy without opening our wallets 🧍

[near tiger]

its cat hair lol but fox work too

[low dew]

Tbh,yes,people are driving abit more to the pricing side and forgeting how unfair it was for F2P player was going to get the hair for free but now have to pay just because of a selfish act

[agile hazel]

Yeah I agree that's a huge issue that I'm sure everyone else here would agree with. But it's a separate, but related issue

[fast tartan]

the sad reality of live service games is that they need to be profitable to even keep said game running, and in sky that means those super high priced IAPs. i wouldn't want TGC to try to give too much for free just to be nice to players if it's detrimental to the game. they just need to work on balance

[sterile ravine]

👍

[livid ridge]

I guess there chance that cat hair return into IGC is gone for sure now so disappointed

[modest junco]

Y'all do understand that once the cat hair is back to an in game currency, it will lose it's exclusiveness and you'd see every being in sky wear it right?
i know imma be attacked but, it's no justice for the cat hair to be free.. the way the fandom has been begging for it for years, a hair based off of a cat, the way they designed it, it's whole consept is really out of mind.. and seeing it worn around everywhere will not do it justice.
although people like me exist
i won't be able to purchase the hair, and i'd wish if it was an IGC item but i think it's only realistic that the cat hair remains IAP (but they should reduce it's price and remove it from the bundle.)
while i still think that IGC items should be better looking, and the cat maks should be changed, and they should do justice by balancing the IAPs and IGCs numer of items, but the cat hair is just something else that has so much unique approach into it, it being too popular and worn around in every corner will just make it look worse and more dull than our first look towards it. wish i could get it thoguh
don't get me wrong, i'm still reading your opinions and they very much matter to me

[hoary goblet]

@hasty vessel Want to tag you to this message I wrote a bit ago about the candle system. I also want to mention that the TS system originally wasn't meant to be a thing. TGC essentially promised older players when the game first started that the cosmetic they buy with AP won't return. As far as I know a message from a dev about the cosmetics not returning from AP was deleted. This also happened to one of the spirits that brought IAP cosmetics for $20(?), the fluffy cape from gratitude. (I'm bad with names help) People spent money on it, were told it wouldn't come back (so they fed into the FOMO and people bough it) and the cosmetics came back for candles. People were meant to get refunded but as far as I know a lot of people didn't and TGC for the most part went silent. Just one of the many examples of TGCs 'flaws', which are quite major in my opinion and doesn't go under 'All companies have flaws'. Correct if I'm wrong on any of this info 👨‍🦯

[cedar abyss]

i agree with you on that, im more upset about the needles changes to the cat mask

[spark lance]

No the feast items clocked in at one of the most expensive candle sinks in the game 👀;

Some people would rather pay and save themselves the pain; some wouldn’t. F2P players and low spenders all play this game. To cater to both there needs to be compromise. There’s no such thing as having both be 100% satisfied with everything, 100% of the time

[spark lance]

There's nothing exclusive on having half a million of skykids having the same hair
In the end is about status 🤦

[signal sedge]

I think discussions are still pretty hostile rn, pls remember everyone here (mods and community both) are all humans and we should be respectful towards eachother!!!! I personally feel that changing the igc to iap after lots of people liked it is a slap to the face to the sky players who CANNOT afford to spend money on the game? But no matter what you think i feel providing your opinion and valid criticism is the best course of action because they have listened in the past, and yelling will not really help anything? We can only share our opinions and hope they listen

[simple yew]

I want other players to enjoy it for free as well. I don’t care if things are more unique or less unique if they are put as In Game Currency, or In App Purchase.

Everyone deserves it. That’s the way I think!

[rotund reef]

That’s another reason I think it should go for 666 candles instead

Edit: or just bump it up to 200 like the sword pants

[lavish trellis]

tgc keeps saying that heaven is a social game, making an item too exclusive is the opposite of that, it has to please everyone and before it pleases

[next spear]

So what lmao 😭 it’s not about exclusivity, it’s precisely about letting f2p have good things

💦 but the cat mask should be nicer indeed

[half plaza]

maybe it's because there's people that don't care about the hair's exclusivity and just want to release their inner cat furry and do cute fits of it without looking for anyone's approval or comparing themselves to others popular doesn't always equate to it being bad (hope this doesn't come off as rude, just saying)

[royal mantle]

Yeah they won't be exclusive anymore but every skykid will be happy and have zoomies

[stable lily]

What do you mean, "It will lose its exclusiveness"?

I'm sorry but, this is the reason why gatekeeping cosmetic exist in this community.

[velvet fog]

Y'all too focus on cat hair and please don't forget about the season to just reminder

[drifting cave]

You can say the same for witch hat. Although it is IAP, still, it was worn everywhere during days of mischief.

[low dew]

I wouldnt disagree if the cat hair was a IAP at first
B u t
The fact that it WAS A PLANNED IGC and then got changed as the hype was going up and the company saw a Money making chance is very much selfish
Like
"Hey,here a good IGC item for u guys my loved F2P player!"
And people love it,abit too much
So the company goes "oh wow,look like this can be a hot sale instead"

[livid ridge]

Wait until you see the price of 2 items that can buy using candle in the questgiver friendship tree you will be shock lmao

[dusty crystal]

Want to feel special? Go buy the marshmallow pack

[uneven lotus]

The "miscommunication" thing is still not credible imo

[cloud merlin]

i don't know a lot of people who wear items just because they're exclusive and not because they like them lol

[robust delta]

I suppose in this game for me, the only exclusive things are collabs stuff and the Ults, those things are limited. Maybe it's just my view in seeing it, but if something that can comeback, It's not gonna be a unique or a rare stuff to have

[sand dawn]

half a million? lol
more like 50.000–100.000
Sky isn’t THAT big.

[lavish trellis]

Wanting an item to be paid for because you can afford it and it will be hands-on is a very gross attitude to say the least.

[spark lance]

I think cat hair should be either 5$ or igc again with the mask back in the bundle

[heavy solar]

Exactly this, it's not about the exclusivity of the cat hair, everyone esp f2p players deserve something unique once in a while, it won't be dull at all if everyone wears it, tho that depends on your perspective.

It was a major slap to the players who were excited that it was IGC but then they suddenly made it into IAP after the hype.

[spark lance]

sry but first paragraph really reminds me of girls who buy clothes on shein and then are angry that they're not unique

[gilded tree]

Let me make it simple here why a lot of people complain including me

• Cat hair/mask

The mask doesn't look like a cat and is being switched to become IGC as a 'cat' mask. On the other hand, the hair becomes IAP because everyone likes it and they thought they can get a profit from the hair because a lot of us like it

• IAP/IGC ratio and difference

If you haven't noticed yet. Sky has IAP more than IGC. Usually the IGC cosmetic is less appealing and fancy from the IAP. This is like a slap to the f2p players for not being able to spend money so they get the meh one.

• Listening player

Let me tell you as story from this Enchant Android player. Since the beginning we NEVER have a nice treatment from TGC. If Switch can get exclusive cape to access lobby and iOS can have headphone cosmetic from listening music. We get bugs form our father, TGC. Oh, even 3 special FATAL BUGS and the most affected one is Android 8. Even if they notice it and give them compensation. The truth is they are being picky which player should be given so not all of the victim got compensated.

That's all. I am gonna zzZ

[ornate rover]

Yeah a lot of people will defend the decision of making a igc item a iap item instead just because they will feel better than everyone else from the exclusivity of it
You should really want what's better for everyone, not yourself. I'm not f2p but still want the hair back as iap, I'd rather buy the bundle with the original cat mask.

[velvet fog]

I read whole things here also I knew the situations, but not too much focus on this think we also have to give em feedbacks about the season too it's seems dead 🗿 cause of that, I also wanted the hair cat back turn into IGC

[fast tartan]

compensation was offered for those first few seasons, it was opt-in and not really worth it imo but it did happen, i'll see if i can find the blog post about it

now as a gratitude player, they did go back on their word about AP things being exclusive but i think it's justified because there was massive player request for it. shouldn't a company strive to improve their game and change based on feedback if it's the right thing to do, even if they promised something in the past? i think so, while i agree they should've had the foresight it was gonna collapse from the beginning and don't blame anyone from being upset or distrustful tho

[spark lance]

Gatekeepers always give me the ick
They said the same about traveling spirits
Then again on perfomance because of peguin hair
And gain on shattering because of the baby manta cape
Yall put so much status on itens to feel special. let others be happy too there's no such a thing as "exclusive"

[signal sedge]

Genuinely i think that gatekeeping things is silly, i couldn’t care less if everyone wore something. If people are happy and having a good time why should we try to stop that? This is like with the owl hair coming back for another season imo, like i understand vets being frustrated but like its fun that people who couldn’t have played then can enjoy the game. I genuinely think gatekeeping is not a good thing with cosmetics we need to remember the f2p as well

[royal mantle]

Exactly!
My Anubis mask and Rocket Jacket are exclusive. Not my antlers because people bought them on their 2nd run. This will be 3rd run of spider cape and is it exclusive? No, it's just behind a pay wall.

Unrelated but we don't even know what the Cat pack will cost and they also put 44 candles in it, right!? So we can just imagine how much it will cost.

[modest junco]

alright then, knowing that most of you will still be happy despite it being too popular and the reason behind why you think it should be an in game currency item, i don't get why it's not-
and @lavish trellis i can't afford it i thought i stated that clearly in the text

however, then so be it! i'd love to see it come as an igc item and i actually don't mind seeing many kitties running around,

[low dew]

Also
Isnt the game was about fun and fairness as it is a F2P game?
It wouldnt be fun and fair if the F2P player cant get something cool for IGC like cat hair
IK we are not forced to buy,but the jealousy from "exclusive" item make people feel a need to buy it,making an unhealthy obsession with spending great money

[livid ridge]

Some people are rude with exclusive stuff
I used to got teasing by those who worn the owl hair when they see me wear my penguin hair tho

[copper pagoda]

hard balance to strike tbh
it takes at least a half week to prepare for tses on my end and i tend to max out at 17 to 20 on my full crs
and at most that only gets me the "prime" item like the cape and pants, and nothing else

the actually recommended amt u save for ts stuff is 105, i believe
which is. lowkey very unfriendly to casuals

"but why should ppl who dont have time to cr get cosmetics?" well. uh.
itll probably make them continue to play the game for one
most moths dip after week one or two, and many veterans drop the game after a few months because the high standards of grinding or whaling make them uninterested in playing the game and burnt out.

we want the cat hair to b free SO everyone can wear it
why gatekeep something lots of people want?
at least if its igc people who dont want to grind can just spend candle packs, and if its cheap enough the ones who cant grind or spend can just get it by logging in once in a while and saving up

its not just about the hair, we've established that before
its also about making this game more accessable to f2p and/or non-hardcore players, like returning vets or buff moths
the game will retain its audience better if we didnt have to like, stick to grind culture or spend money as our only options to get cosmetics
because once you finish progression the first time around— a main reason people stay ARE for the cosmetics, and maybe to meet new people
if we have a bigger consistent audience more ppl will pay tgc money after all lolol
but that means making stuff more affordable, by both making cooler, cheaper igc and iap items that arent like 70+ candles all the time

[magic jetty]

a certain skytuber we all know seems to be milking this they keep appearing on my yt...

[agile hazel]

Sky is significantly bigger than you think. This server alone has almost 500k users, google search pops up with 50 million downloads

[spark lance]

and? they still haven't answered my question and on top of that they only know how to cause confusion in the beta chat making these idiotic changes, apart from the mediocrity of free cosmetics they give to F2P players, I always complained about them always putting bad quality on free cosmetics and great quality on paid cosmetics, I know that's right for them but it's still a lack of respect for their players, besides, days of mischief is the most expensive event in the game having a total of 10 or 11 paid cosmetics, they prefer to focus in profit than improving the game always leaving it in the last place, where's that investment they made in the company? the billions they get paid each year? I've had enough of their mediocrity on Sky and I don't care if you say they are """""""an indie company""""" because they are no longer.

[cloud merlin]

to be fair the paid cosmetics are cumulative over the years

[spark lance]

I dislike that skytuber so so much they always clickbait , uses hack and spoil on thumb

[sand dawn]

there is a pretty big gap between the total active players vs total players over the lifetime of the game.
also, we re-download the game every update.. 50 million downloads is not 50 million players

[stable lily]

Personal opinion here, if this offends you then I'm sorry, not sorry.

I hate that the mindset of an item will lose its unique style just because it's been sold as an IGC and every player is wearing it. I had enough with people who are commenting on other people's fashion style in the game because it's something you see everytime in sky.

Now back to this IAP issue, let's take a step back and look into a bigger picture shall we? Sure some of you guess that the item will be cheap because it'll be like less than $30 right?

Have you guys ever considered the fact that it'll be so expensive in other countries? I am still hoping and patiently waiting for any update if there will be changes for the IGC tree considering I can't buy ANY IAP items knowing it'll cost more than ₱1,000 in my country.

It's literally my whole allowance at that point? This is why I'm frustrated about this matter

[near tiger]

who ?

[lavish trellis]

had an incredible quality reeducation in mascara they are giving free players and the best paid pros like this, lack of respect and they are going to lose players like this

[rotund reef]

Take care you guys! Get sleep too! Time to crawl out of bed for me

[sonic oar]

Yeah I feel that. Taking the sword pants for example. A full 20 candle run takes me like 1 hour an a half. That would be like 15 hours of grinding for a single cosmetic which is pretty insane. Or I could do an easy 15 candle run every day but that would still take me like around 10 hours over several days to get 200 candles. Overlap returning TS and events IGCs and it becomes impossible to get everything unless you buy candle packs or have saved up candles for a long time. The total of all the IGCs in the upcoming DoM will definitely be over 200 candles to grind for which I'm worried about.

[fast tartan]

in a recent interview it was shared sky has about 8 million daily active users iirc. pretty big, and i'm sure that comes with its costs

[royal mantle]

Why don't just increase game popularity with ads and better game quality? When more people join in, sales will automatically go up without needing to overpricing everything. That'll be long term gain

[tame merlin]

As much as I wanted the cat hair IM GLAD TGC CHANGED IT because the DISRESPECT y’all have with them is INSANE

Calling the greedy and money hungry all the time? WHY?! Do y’all know how much it cost to run a company? BE GRATEFUL THEY STILL GIVE US FREE STUFF

We dont need any cosmetics to play the game they are just looks and we already have so many so be GRATEFUL SMH

[heavy solar]

In some countries it costs more than having an AP

[magic jetty]

yeah... trying to avoid saying their name now since mods dont like it O_O

[agile hazel]

Stop being so entitled, you're not the only one trying to figure out this whole mess. Maybe try searching up ktjn's message history, there's your response from them.
Also, we're all angry at TGC but that does not give you an excuse to break server etiquette

[low dew]

Yes,agree
The "exclusive" item problem only make the game more toxic to F2P player

[late mountain]

I am unsure which Youtube is being refered to here, but if they are using hacks then best to not talk about them and you can report them to Zahyla (for their account check the bottom of #rules)

[gilded tree]

We pay and we get bugs
I doubt you understand rich boy

[spark lance]

gaslighting! (also pretty sure i saw you on twitter arguing with same style hun)

[livid ridge]

Wait until you saw the price of the 2 items in questgiver friendship tree during this season probaly be more than 200 candles like little prince season

[uneven lotus]

oh no not again...

[copper pagoda]

it may be hard to implement a regional money system within sky, but discord switched to it for its nitro system semi recently
its one of the other possible changes they could make, but itll be a challenge for them to be able to do so right away esp w/ the backlash they're recieving rn hopefully they get to it eventually.

i hope for more affordable cosmetics as itll get rid of the whole.. baggage ppl get when they're older vets and have older stuff. ppl seem to judge off cosmetics but if theres a wider range of cool things that lots of ppl can get maybe that can alleviate the issue a bit more

[ashen tusk]

Please stop giving well known hackers attention, even mentioning them here is unnecessarily drawing attention to them.

[stable lily]

It's a company, ITS A DAMN COMPANY

If you refuse to listen to other people's opinions and call them UNGRATEFUL then get out knowing you're the one to talk when it comes to disrespect

Let people share their frustrations, they wouldn't go THAT FAR to even send threats to the devs knowing this kind of issue has been going on for 2 years and this was the final straw

[still mauve]

Oh wow so now we're named UNGRATEFUL for not liking the way they treat us , I don't think you should speak on their behalf regarding you know nothing of how they profited and took advantage of us the sad truth is they are GREEDY and their game is based on money nothing else , and do yk how much it costs to have someone from Pixar work for you? They're a millionaire company not the small one you still think of , we get 2-3 free igc items while there's 9 IAPS and you expect us to be grateful? I don't think you realize what you're saying this game is about COSMETICS and MONEY

[rotund reef]

Omg you really went there omg I can’t stick around to watch this 🙊🙈

[magic jetty]

ohh overwhelming back to fit chat staring 😭 😭

[dense oracle]

It is what it is. The cat hair is so popular , other games have it too. I got one of them with just igc in other game.

[spark lance]

Thank you tgc for giving me this precious crumb of content 💖
I shall appreciate this act of kindness and allowing us have this single igc iten I'm no longer angry.

[fast tartan]

i agree with your sentiment but calling people ungrateful isn't going to do this discussion any good, there are as many good arguments and criticism here as there are people being a little too heated about it, and that all comes from caring about the game

[royal mantle]

No, you're just one of those people who will attack anyone for having different opinion. LMAO.

You're talking like an angry teacher pfft.

We pay for IAPs which aren't changed to IAPs from IGC. We also pay for AP. Don't be judgy just because your ego is hurt XD

You be glad you're getting it even if it's IAP or IGC.

Because not all of us can

[hazy nimbus]

I suggest changing the prank cat ，only act to friends， can't act with strangers

[fluid cobalt]

I- in this situation I just hope they'll appreciate f2p players more by giving more cool items

[low dew]

Huh
It was a F2P game since start,why the "greatful cuz they still give free stuff" wasnt the game surposed to do that and give care and fairness to F2P player too? They are FAVOURISM PAY 2 PLAY PLAYER the older,more popular the game get!!!

[drifting cave]

At this point, if popularity is the aim for the game to receive better income, i'd say a collab with games like Genshin will significanty increase player count

[ornate rover]

It looks kind of greedy when no compensation is offered when the game has been breaking on a weekly basis now. Also how the hair appeared to be an igc item at first. It's a lot of different things overtime that has made tgc look greedy. I don't think it's entitlement, it's disappointment that a nice item was taken away. But that's my view on it. I'm not for defending a company when all they do is take

[safe goblet]

Yes it’s just a look, but without cosmetics what is sky ? Ok you can play With your friend and all but most of sky is cosmetics if you only have them in iap I think sky will not be as much liked as it is it will be more boring for people that can’t spend money on it
And what do you do in sky ? You just talk ? You don’t candle run? Bc for me I don’t think I’ll play a game that you only have to « save » some spirit and do nothing at all except that

[signal sedge]

A game company also needs to be aware of its f2p players? Lots of companies have fallen to the pit of making everything iap and i think what they did with selling the guitar and such to support them was really awesome!! but its super frustrating seeing something and being excited as an f2p player only for it to be changed after everyone is hyped for it. It feels kinda scummy yk? I am hoping tgc will listen to our thoughts because its felt more and more that they are trying for money rather then for the community like they were in the beginning? Like genuinely i dont want that to happen and if us voicing our concern can help then thats what we should do

[cloud merlin]

grateful for a for-profit company for making for-profit decisions? what. it's so weird to lick capitalist boots

[pure spear]

Are there anyone like me getting server error for these few days?

[tame merlin]

You guys are not the ones behind the pc doing all the hard work and programing you dont even have the smallest idea of all the hardwork it goes behind making a game like this

Plus beta is just a test it was never meant to be the final decision and YALL DONT CHOOSE THE RULES

[simple yew]

Also, in game currency items are good for younger players who can’t buy cosmetics with real money.

And adults as well, for all the reasons you saw here.

[dusty jolt]

Hello~ Did the devs say anything else after "It was always supposed to be an IAP"? Or is this all we get?

[silent crater]

As a working student, I'm really hoping it won't be iAP. That's all. I do not want to debate with anyone. I will just give my feedback.

[late mountain]

Lets avoid the name calling please. We can have a reasonable discussion without resorting to pointing fingers at each other.

[dense oracle]

Grateful?.. they are already making profit by having us playing. So its mutual benefit. No need to be grateful.

[still mauve]

Okay? So we're supposed to be at fault cuz their decision is to open a company they can't manage or what? It's their choice not ours , we choose the rules because we're their clients who pay and give their game popularity and if they release something they don't ask their community they just do as they want thatgreedycompany is a new name everyone understands now.

[gilded tree]

Well... even we say they won't listen even saying it nicely first....

[agile hazel]

Please don't jump into this without any information or context. There's so many issues at hand and this is just the tip of the iceberg.

Read this summary by Ron #beta-discussion message

[spark lance]

Oh yes we should be grateful for them doing their jobs?
And i work very hard for my money too.

[graceful widget]

Has cathair iap changed back to igc? It's what I'm most looking forward to

[stable lily]

I highly agree, if only the gameplay along with the storyline has been improved that is reasonable enough for these price to go high.

Look at genshin, despite the grindy gameplay the storyline and the mechanics are promising enough to enjoy the game.

I'm not saying that Sky should copy what Hoyoverse does to their game but to find out a way to improve this app and make people stay without attracting them with new expensive cosmetics. The Aurora season seems to be working with this.

@tame merlin we are the customers and they're the manufacturers

Do I have to say that I must do the code in order to give criticism?

By using your logic, may I say that TGC has NO IDEA of the hard work and time I spent for this game and buy the IAPs I wanted while in school?

Beta may be just a test but keep in mind that THERE IS STILL A POSSIBILITY that TGC won't change their mind.

[royal mantle]

Dear fanboy, calm down

Don't tell others what to and what not to do.

[low dew]

That why we are reacting!
No reaction? They wouldnt change😢😢😢!!!!

[spark lance]

The pinned message of Rob in the 📌

[velvet fog]

Wait until Monday they're resting this weekend

[spiral marsh]

The anger is less about that fact that the hair is IAP, honestly, if it started as IAP I would be fine with it. The fact that TGC saw that we liked it, and changed it to IAP because it was popular, and also gave us a poor substitute that wasn’t even the same mask that was in the IAP is what caused upset. If the hair was originally IAP, great! I’d be happy for anyone who bought it, but the fact that it was IGC and they changed it to cost real world money after seeing how much people liked it, feels like a blatant cash grab.

[woeful steeple]

Omg same I'm filo too! Imagine how in some countries, people only need to work for 2 hours to afford the IAP pack but for me, I have to work two whole days to afford it 💀 that's just not a reasonable expense, and that's not even mentioning younger players who don't have a lot of money. I really hope TGC considers doing regional pricing

[uneven lotus]

sheesh, go get some air

[robust delta]

Wait, weren't they change it before we... "disrespect" them?

maybe it's just me but I don't think that's how the timeline works in this chat

[spark lance]

Guys no cash has even been grabbed..! Please keep in mind the big picture. This is an early beta build, with a change that has happened in less than 2 days.

This is not set in stone, for the millionth time. Save your frustration of this caliber for when a change like this is put into live. Then you have some leverage that tgc did in fact ignore outcry.

[dusty jolt]

Thankyou

[spark lance]

You don't understand, this is something I've felt for a long time, since I started to see things clearly in all this, as much as I've been playing Sky for 3 years, I see that TGC has always been like this since the global launch for android, I feel this grudge since that time, I always wanted the game to be an amazing game and that at the time it was improving... but it seems that this did not happen and yes more and more greed was implemented in the game, since the season of the little prince I lost this one admiration I had for TGC I lost that love I had for the company, and now I just feel utter disgust.
Unfortunately, things in Sky never seem to change, it will always be the same pattern, the game has lost that quality it had and has become a Burnout game.
And now with the masks of eden, it's come true

[rotund reef]

ppssssttt guess what? I have an opinion on your opinion of that other person opinion on that one person opinion on all their shared opinion

[dense oracle]

Its because of beta, we saying to change it. Beta is made to adjust. If we dont give our thoughts. What's the point of having beta then?

[gilded tree]

yesh. I am a college student and I paid them too before.
What I get is buggy prop and I am not allowed to complain.

[still mauve]

A reminder that they also profit from it cuz we buy their ap and IAPS, HONESTLY don't put your life into something thas notrelated to it not everyone's allowed or had the possibility to do something about it or work for money

[heavy solar]

So we're not allowed to voice out opinions in BETA EVENT TESTING DISCUSSIONS as to what the company couldve done better about in this situation? It lies in this discussion group the APPROPRIATE RULES OF FUTURE GAMEPLAY BEFORE IT GOES ON LIVE.

[dusty walrus]

If you don't care about the other's feeling then just click off of discord or go to a different channel. It's that easy.

[stable lily]

Come live in the Philippines and let you feel the pain I have to deal with just to make money.

Im using your logic so I guess it's fine.

But hey, selling candies seems to be a good business! How exciting!

If it weren't for the price here to reach 1 THOUSAND PESOS for a single cosmetic

Now stop with this behaviour and if you keep this up ill be sending your messages to the mods.

If you want to argue further, you are free to DM me

[simple yew]

Not everyone can sell what they have. And if they can, it’s not pretty every time.

[late mountain]

Calling out individuals just to express you don't like their opinion isn't constructive nor kind. I've removed a few messages.

[low dew]

Say like every country is America and use USD 😕
The hair are not even from the collab😕 the game was surpossed to be F2P
The cat hair was PLANNED TO BE IGC!!! they changed just because people are LOVING IT!?

[ashen tusk]

Friendly reminder to be patient, it's the weekend so we won't be getting any news on this until at least next week - Whirthun had mentioned when they dropped by that tgc are aware of what's going on and we'll probably get a response in the early week. Try to remember that when you're disappointed that we've not heard anything more yet.

[ornate rover]

You're not even allowed to sell food at school here because it could be contaminated 💀
Not everyone has the option, I dont understand their argument

[rapid reef]

I still believe this hold true even to this moment. This outburst from the community is not just over cat hair.

We held this position and sentiment for two days all ready, how can so many people still think it's all just over some cosmetics when there's much more supporting this outburt of the community. I find it ridiculous.

[agile hazel]

We're all on the same boat here, I haven't played Sky for 3 years but there's a bunch of other people who have and we all hate what Sky is becoming as well and want it to get better. But even with all this frustration, it does not give you an excuse to break server etiquette

[woeful sinew]

guys just ignore that chibilink guy. he's obviously just trying to get attention

[honest wren]

This chat room still on fire? 🔥

[spark lance]

No nooo don't point the company flaws they have to pay their employees and collabs 😢😭
Nah

[radiant drum]

@tame merlin I've deleted your message, please don't share personal information such as age for your safety

Let's keep discussion about the game and how we would like to see changes in Beta everyone. There is no good in arguing with eachother, while we can all discuss together on what we each feel individually about this situation

[modest junco]

At this point i don't even need that cat hair anymore.
be it an IAP or an IGC item y'all went over the board with it.
i was fighting for it to be an igc item aswell but seeing how much people took it seriously i don't think i'm joining this fight anymore, we look desperate in a way that's pathetic if an another comunity came and told you from their prespective (many comunities are already discussing abt whats going on in the sky comunity.)
wake me up when a decision is made, i'll go with whatever they pick.

and @dense oracle i don't think you understand the concept of a company. judging by your words.
but well, i'm not here to pick any fights, i'm just genuenly tired
wish that cat hair never arrived in the first place, the comunity would be more at ease. literally 2 months away and people are like raging dragons

[wispy glen]

I see..it's all chaos

[spice mason]

I think everyone here needs to take a step back. I too am mad about this. Especially the timing- it feels scummy.

But getting into arguments here sadly won't change anything.

Allow people to state their pieces. And respond to them respectfully

[royal mantle]

We're players and we have right to complain. It's not really fair when someone come and act like a child just because others have views and reason to complain. We pay for the game, we get bugs.

If you don't know how much TGC make, you'll find an estimate on Google. Please stop with fan-boying. This is not #general-sky-discussion

[near tiger]

yeah i erased the first message but i say what i say... shes participate to a interview with TGC etc... shes are in TGC side... i like more SBC than nastyfold

[robust delta]

omg it's beluga

omg it's geluga

[dense oracle]

I'll let you judge cause you know better.

[open iris]

sbc? you prefer a literal hacker than a real skytuber?

[quaint tapir]

geluga？

[spark lance]

calling someone ungrateful and disrespectful and whatsoever is kinda manipulative but go on

[copper pagoda]

yes!! its so hard to get money in php (also hai filo here too BD) and while youre lucky you can sell stuff not everyone else is :(! its not always easy to get money and not everyone wants to spend their money on digital games, which is fair! but that doesnr mean we dont deserve nicer things in the games either, esp if its advertised to be f2p and cosmetics are a major point of the game past the initial run through

[spark lance]

I know... it's just a feeling of hate and resentment that I've felt for a long time, and I don't have anyone to express it.

[hasty moth]

good morning beta chat just here to remind everyone that you can still be critical of your interests (like holding tgc accountable for a messup they do in hopes for the game to become more enjoyable for everyone)

[gilded parrot]

📱iOS/Android: Learn about the sign-up process and how to get notified when invites happen in #beta-faq!
Switch: The Switch Beta testing period has ended with Live launch. All future content testing will be conducted on Mobile only.

[stable lily]

The question is that, who is the target audience is TGC reaching to?

If it's adults then I can see why the prices are expensive

If it's kids and teens, why the hell are the IAPs expensive to begin with?

If it's all for ages, then things should be balanced out right?

[low dew]

Understandable how you feel about the fight,frustrating! I hope you get a good rest ❤️ and hopefully for those who are still fighting would get the cat hair back as IGC item!

[radiant drum]

Everyone has a right to be upset or not be upset about the game or any changes made, and express it here. So long as people are not being disrespectful wherever they stand, please don't dismiss concerns or opinions just because you might disagree

[placid iron]

..she isn't on tgc's side for the love of honk just bc tgc acknowledges her doesn't mean she can't not like their decisions
Also can you stop defending a hacker and clickbaiter, lemme guess you're one of his ""die hard"" fans

[ornate rover]

It's 8+, what 8 year old has $30 for a cosmetic 😭

[silent crater]

I haven't played Sky for a month because of all the decisions they made that I personally do not agree with, and coming back to this after that break kinda leaves me heartbroken. I can only imagine 3 years....

[rapid reef]

I still can't fathom how so many of you can't understand we are not just outbursting over some cosmetic.

Many of us are calling for TGC to improve, we don't feel respected or heard, we feel like prey to a company. Many of us are exhausted from the imbalance and continual mistreatment.

This long stopped being about a cosmetic. We want to see TGC do better. You don't need to agree but it's over time people understand this is not just over a cosmetic and drop this narrative.

[woeful sinew]

at first it wasn't really an argument it was just discussing. but then it turned into one which was to be expected. unfortunately.

[signal sedge]

Guys please this is getting way too out of hands. People are calling eachother names and yelling, this is a place to respectfully share opinions and discuss peoples thoughts. Its okay to be mad and upset but please please remember everyone here is human and has their own valid thoughts and feelings. Be respectful and safe, either side can be reported for saying unkind things and it’s genuinely just not good practice. Please please be respectful

[safe goblet]

They probably get enough money to pay everything , and it’s not the fact that if they make more iap they will have more money, if nobody plays do you think is better to make iap or give players what they want to stay?(not everything tho) and it will not change a lot if they put something igc bc people will be more hyped and play more in cr than buy things with real money that some can’t have

[spark lance]

Imagine the dissatisfaction veteran players must be gathering on these 3 years of sky
One day that would come out
The cat is out of the bag

[tame merlin]

Not many but THEY ALSO DONT NEED ANY MONEY TO PLAY AT ALL

[spark lance]

From parents I guess but too young for take a serious decision about games and money.

[modest junco]

Talk about roblox
a seven year old there will spend $300 on robux-
glad i stopped playing that game

[royal mantle]

But what if they want those IAPs

[near tiger]

its not a hacker....he have beta etc... and get info from instagram etc.. man dont defend nastyfold and TGC lol but i dont defend him too, its put some clickbait sometimes

[feral marlin]

my parent will beat me to death if i ask them to buy me anything in the game lol

[radiant drum]

Now let's drop the skytuber discussion as well please, and I'll be deleting messages if it's continued. Not only it's off-topic to this discussion, it's not very kind to name them here and discuss their merits.

Like harbin mentioned, if there's anything you'd like to report as illegitimate behavior on social media you can direct to the TGC staff Zahlya in DMs

[next spear]

But cosmetics are more than half of the game and a huge experience too 💀 just let people have things

[still mauve]

this game is about money and cosmetics, the topic isn't the game the game is beautiful itself but we're here discussing other matters

[radiant drum]

@feral marlin no mentions of violence please

[spice mason]

I know. I've seen the whole thing unfold before my very eyes. Been beta testing for 2 years. Things always end up that way in here.

[loud bloom]

not to mention it’s unlikely for kids this young to be playing, in fact im pretty sure it’s actually 9 years minimum

most people playing are at least close to being young adults

not saying the prices are justified im just saying the “THERES CHILDREN” argument isn’t really a valid one

[gilded tree]

what if they ask papa mama to buy epic cosmetic?
and they say yes

[ocean cedar]

This sure is getting out of hand.

[spark lance]

I think it's impressive that there is no discount on the game's cosmetics, even though it's something sold before, I see a lot of games that have a discount on Skins but TGC doesn't know that this exists, unfortunately sincerely

[uneven lotus]

I'm very entertained by your messages please keep them going

[dense oracle]

They are kids. And kids want things. Lol

[olive hamlet]

I have a friends 8 years🥲

[ashen tusk]

Are we allowed the mod react back at least or is that not how react restrictions work? Cause there's a lot of comments that should probably be removed for being disrespectful but it's difficult pointing them out when chat is going so quick.

[fleet cape]

There are many good free-to-play games in roblox that does not require robux. The first mistake anyone can do in roblox is play ANY FRONTPAGE game, you gotta literally search on the dumpster trash to find a good game with less than 500 players active (wich somehow happens to all good game on roblox)

[ornate rover]

Why do you enjoy typing in caps. I'm sure a lot of younger players get jealous seeing people wearing the iap they can't afford, especially when people hold the items to such exclusitivity. It's easy to get jealous at that age. They'd probably grow to resent the game because of it instead of wanting to stick around. They don't need money to play but it sure ruins the experience when there's more iap items than igc items during an event

[honest wren]

Peeps while we are having this discussion can we also think about the way we hold good companies like tgc to wayy higher standards than we do multi-million dollar corporations? I might have a whinge but at the end of the day tgc makes all the content required to play the game free.

If we want more altruistic minded organisations maybe don’t burn them out engaging in over the top negative responses, it’s easy to feed off each others’ energy in these settings and make a small issue overblown.

[woeful sinew]

yeah. its really unfortunate. i really hope they find out a way to resolve this peacefully for everyone.

[silent crater]

I hope you and the other mods are doing okay, seems like the beta chat is really on fire tonight...

[tame merlin]

One thing is WANTING something and another is NEEDING IT

Like I said they DONT need it, everyone wants different things in life but we dont always get them thats life unfortunately

[wispy glen]

It's..
PLAYING BELUPACITO

[heavy solar]

So does Genshin but when they get bugs and such they take the community's opinions seriously and act accordingly

[spark lance]

⬆️⬆️⬆️

[radiant drum]

To be fair, there was a lot of backlash the one time TGC tried to reduce the cost of something sold previously, from IAP to IGC even, so they changed it back. I think this is just a tricky situation TGC has gotten itself in (of their own making) and there is no way to please everyone

[signal sedge]

vouch for this!! the chat is kinda overwhelming and having reactions might help people show if they agree or disagree with something? Also make it easy to point out things that violate the rules and such

[sand rune]

Yall talkin bout roblox? How about you use animal jam as an example
Come on now it's not even a good comparison

[robust delta]

[copper pagoda]

its.
not about the cat hair
how many times do people have to say it
i will say it again:

this is not (just) about the cat hair
the cat hair was our tipping point, but it is not the thing we're having our main problem about

this is about the huge cutoff point for consistent players due to how unfriendly the game is to returning / new peeps regarding the cosmetics. this is about how f2p players arent being treated the same way by the company in events, with how most new free items require grinding in some form or just. suck? arent in the same quality as the iap items?
yes, companies require money, and it's more appealing for exclusive stuff for paying customers
but also ignoring the other part of their playerbase because they dont pay will make many people burn out or stop playing (which they already do!)

i feel like a lot of people just want to improve the game so it retains more players, rather than getting a bunch of moffs that play for a week then dip or veterans that stop playing for months because grind culture burns them out

[radiant drum]

That isn't really possible, and the mod reaction is not an effective way to alert us of problems. You can report messages in #contact-the-mods instead

[low dew]

Yeh i hope AT LEAST if they want a IAP hot sale,just make a special IAP cat hair version,look cooler with changes,and keep the original IGC cat hair for F2P

[stable lily]

Don't bring a life quote here please-

You're not their voices so don't speak up for them, the people you're speaking out for are in a massive discussion right now tbh

[dense oracle]

There's such a thing as "NEEDING" in games?.. 🤔

[molten snow]

The cat hair is only the last straw

[indigo totem]

There’s sooooo many IAPs in the Mischief! What do they want then???
The old IAPs still have more people wanted to buy them (like me) then why??? The Mischief event is the most expensive event of all events.
And don’t bring the “TGC is a small company”, i’m sick of that

[hasty moth]

hey just wondering but what was the item in question? just curious (sorry for the @ im just hopelessly curious)

[brazen sluice]

People please calm down.. Can we all be civil for at least a moment because arguing and yelling like this isn't gonna help with anything

[agile hazel]

It was so nice when beta chat was starting to calm down and understand each other. Then random people just jumped in with no context/information and added fuel to the fire

[gilded parrot]

Fineeee, gather around the bonfire, I'm going to play a lullaby for you!

[silent crater]

That is not true. People complained about Yae Miko, they tried to fix it, didn't work, and just reverted her back. They weren't planning to fix Zhongli unless they were legally threatened. They weren't planning to give the players anything on anniversary if the community didn't throw a big fuss over it.

Anyway I'm not defending the person you replied to, but Genshin/Hoyoverse is just not a good example. If anything, TGC is almost starting to follow in that company's footsteps.

[tame merlin]

Go to Genshin’s page and congratulate them but THIS IS NOT GENSHIN 😉

[woeful sinew]

it's not about cosmetics anymore. well not mainly at least. it's about the "miscommunication" tgc have been having for a long time. thats what most people are talking about here. not just the cat hair cosmetic. and yeah I'd think we "NEED" good communication since they obviously want to care about the community and make everyone happy while staying on their own feet.

[ashen tusk]

Not now, skybot

[simple yew]

And writing in all caps does not make your hot takes better, believe me.

[royal mantle]

Alright, imagine I'm 8 years old and I want something. Because children DON'T NEED but WANT things.
So please tell me what should I do? Unless you're ready to pay for my IAP and everyone else's who can not afford it, we're all good. But if you can't, why are you just dismissing everyone's opinions?

Mind you, many of us can not afford this and really want it because our currencies are weak, our average earnings are very low. And many other reasons.

I don't need the cat hair to play, I have literally everything the game has to offer except many IAPs. You'll drool over my wardrobe. But I want this to be IGC and that is my opinion which I am entitled to and so are all the children and adults

Just stop your cancel culture. You seem like a child who will cry if you dont get your way. State your thoughts but don't attack people indirectly saying
" I AM GLAD" this that etc. You're attacking people that way

[spark lance]

I will broke if catto hair to expensive like this…pls I just want hair, only hair 👁👁

[woeful steeple]

I think the game is meant to have a large playerbase of young people who will then attract some adults or kids with rich parents in order to buy the IAPs

(Also adding onto this bc of cooldown)
Im sure TGC wants f2p players to enjoy the game, after all the whole base game is for free. I never really complain about IAP prices and I will happily give TCG my money when it's within my budget. I even bought all their games on Steam, which is only possible because of the regional pricing there.

But this time, I don't think the issue is the money or the cat hair, but it's about the players' trust and how TGC have lost it with this decision, whether it was meant from the start or not. Like ktjin explained, some behind the scenes stuff has gotten them into this mess. But now we just have to see how they're gonna get out of it and earn back players' trust

[honest wren]

Pls don’t compare tgc who tries to make an altruistic game to mihoyo, who nobody hold to standards close to what people are trying to hold tgc to…

[radiant drum]

It was the santa hat from Days of Feast. I don't remember from the top of my head the original price and what they planned on changing it to, but it caused a similar ruckus here and goes to show things aren't quite simple and one-sided

[spark lance]

All this you don't need to spend is lamee

Yes i don't need to open my wallet but it don't make the situation less bad because if i don't spend i get nothing ! That's the difference
I enjoyed all the game! Some people don't have nothing else to do on sky but wait for new content BUT NOO WE CAN'T unless we open our wallets
Cat hair was just the last straw.
You know what it feels to have everything and the only new content you can get is locked behind a paywall? My friends are quitting sky because of it!

[modest junco]

well yeah but i was talking about the cat hair topic.
and people are not doing all this to "improve the game so it retains more players"
people are fighting for their own justice and benifits, due to the 'mistreatment' that they're getting from tgc, not because they want tgc to get more players. if anything, they want them to lose players.
(now comes the saints who suddenly argue that they actually did this bcs they care for tgc and they wan't them to gain more players 🥺)

[safe goblet]

It’s not because we don’t need it that they can’t put an effort into it without players they are nothing even if they work are amazing it’s not complicated to please the majority of course they will always be people against it but it’s not such a big deal to give players what they want

[robust delta]

Come on guys, genshin? sky? really?

You guys aint tru gamer, try Pac man on Nokia 3.2 mega pixel

[spark lance]

You very clearly don't understand what's going on. I thought you did from that long message that u posted earlier today but naaah!

[jade arrow]

TGC deserves new players if they do something better for once. Simple as that. If they don't, they lose players like they're losing now. It's not rocket science.

[still mauve]

The last part makes sense a lot cuz if things don't change now players will lose interest cuz there's nothing to gain anymore igc so a lot of players will quit including me after all

[low dew]

people would come back/come to the game when they heard the cat hair was IGC >\<

[stable lily]

Exactly, I just want them to communicate with us properly and explain whatever the hell is happening to their studio

While the community calms down and listens to their reasoning.

Heck, remember the 7 hour maintenance? They didn't give us the reason why the maintenance happened let alone refused to explain it to us.

But if TGC's statement isn't justified once Monday hits, I am done supporting this game if they refuse to stop treating this community like kids

[ocean cedar]

Sky? Altruistic??
With the path they're going rn, it doesn't seem altruistic

[hasty moth]

thats interesting! it looks more like an igc item to me but now i know why its an iap i suppose lol
ty for telling me!

[loud bloom]

if you’re 8 you shouldn’t be playing in the first place, age requirements are a thing for a reason and considering sky has a social side it’s dangerous for a child, i learnt the hard way why social platforms are usually 16+

why even use age as an argument for this? i agree the cat hair and pricing need adjustments but this is a really weird way to go about it

[radiant drum]

In discussions like these it's always best to speak for yourself, and not try to speak for others. Doing so will almost always cause misunderstandings and conflict, and we don't need more of that here. It's okay to feel different ways about this and we don't all have to agree with each other, while we can discuss these different points of view

[simple yew]

Putting people in the same one sided box is not the best thing to do, especially when some players actually care about the game and want some changes. There is not only 1 opinion, and you can’t put all of those who are talking about it in the same… "arguing box."

[ornate rover]

Sky is set up so certain cosmetics seem exclusive and obtaining them will make you feel better. Better cosmetics in the game mean you have a better status. So many people ignore moths and refuse to help them because they don't understand the candle system yet. So in a way cosmetics in this game do give you an advantage socially. So it's dumb to gatekeep the cat hair item just because you'll be able to afford it and you want to feel better than everyone. It's selfish in my opinion to not want the item to go back to igc

[safe goblet]

Who sais that we need to be gamers? Can’t we just enjoy a game ? If you like other games play then nobody will stop you and if someone like a game ? Who are you to tell if a game is a real game or not?

[gilded tree]

@tame merlin I can give you suggestion to try have a look first on the others before you jump into anger saying others ungrateful.

Sure you should be grateful you may live in a country that has high currency rate. But outside from that? Some of us can't afford it and it's expensive too due to the high currency rate. I am from Indonesia and here 1 USD is like around IDR14k-15kish which we can just buy food and water with 1 USD.

Plus we are angry and frustrated because TGC doesn't listen to us. Try have a look on android 8 bug will you? I can give you that example

To say that we are ungrateful, it can hurt others. I am saying this so you can be more careful in the future to not jump and immediately say like that. Sometimes people won't be forgiving too

[ashen tusk]

Companies don't really owe us explanations for why they're doing planned maintenance, they gave us a heads up and that's all they needed to do really.

[dense oracle]

About that, Sky is rated 7+ , so you cant really tell them not to play.

[silent crater]

Criticism is important for something to improve. "If you don't like Sky, then stop playing the game." Just because we complain and give criticism doesn't mean we hate the game, if anything, we want it to improve because we're giving our feedback.

Its like your friend, if your friend is going down a path of despair, don't you want to kinda give them criticism so they can better themselves? You're not just gonna tell them to keep going because they're your friend.

[royal mantle]

No I am not 8 and I won't mention what age I am but not even near 8.

Please go open play store and app store then you look at Age required. Sure you will delete your comment then Kekew XD

[robust delta]

it's a joke-

[still mauve]

We're bringing up age because now they only think of the 18+ players or the players who can afford their overpriced IAPS it doesn't show at all like they care about the underage community they have here, it's like we vanished for them and only IAPS matter now money after all.

Different part
Guys please don't insult each other to the point of fighting in dms we should just debate it here reasonably and see what happens

[spark lance]

In the end we don't hate sky and tgc
We are complaining because we like it too much and still want to play it for more 3 years
But the way things are now for the players is unsustainable
Feeding us crumbs of content and locking stuff behind iaps
The thing that was worst was the downgrade of the igc itens
It felt like a slap on the face

hmmm while rerun events kinda helps with catching up to content that was missed in previous years it also give bad vibe for:
long players who already have most, if not things
new players who feel pressured to buy current stuff and last years too

[ocean cedar]

This is some spicy chat.

[hoary goblet]

Fr it quickly switched to players attacking eachother again unfortunately 😭

[uneven lotus]

aaaaand fighting for the CONSUMER's right will make TGC lose players? How come? So people despise being granted rights? "Oh no this game listens to its player!! How cruel!!! I must not keep on playing this game!!!" ?? OK noted!

[ornate rover]

Can't even be on discord if you were actually 8

[jade arrow]

It's been a pattern now. They accuse others of being hateful, ungrateful, etc. etc. and act all dismissive riling everything up again.

[copper pagoda]

the cat hair topic is, inherently connected to this one tbh?

its what started the outburst
of course people will want to mention it

i dont know how far back you read before joining this, but people have made it very clear that the cat hair topic is the catalyst to their voicing of opinions, and not a separate topic

and tbh i dont know what's going on w/ tgc but i expect the best of them

j think unlike other companies they do want to do their best for players

just
like
we are allowed to complain, and people want to complain about it
no matter their secret reasons theyre allowed to say it
its up to the company on what they end up doing about it

maybe things are heated but people have said worse for less
and why should we care what other communities say about us lol
as long as we're respectful about it (which we have been, else the mods wouldve stopped us)
then let us eat cake, ykno?

[tame merlin]

Why are you assuming we have good currency rate? You don’t know where I live and all I have to do to get enough money for IAP, but I still manage to do it by selling candy in scool and streets and y’all can probably do something similar too

I don’t want mods to delete my comment so I wont say where Im from but Im surr my currency rate is same as yours or worse😉

[stable lily]

Get your meals while it's hot! 1st meal is the spicy taste of miscommunication! Yum~

[safe goblet]

I didn’t mean to sound rude I’m sorry 😞 but it’s like a lot of people juge other’s people taste and everything , nobody can’t even like something without making fun of or being treatened

[ashen tusk]

Spectating like this doesn't really add anything productive, it'll likely just rile people up further. Generally just watching to see the discussions unfold and determine different perspectives is fine, but I don't think it's a good idea for comments like this to be shared

[royal mantle]

Exactly LMAO

[sand rune]

Ayo What the cell
Why somebody throwin around age insults rn

[lapis flame]

this is another case
the cap went to global as iap.we pay for it
so bringing that same item we paid for it, and bringing it by candle is unfair to those who paid real money on it

[spark lance]

This is what sky has come to 🙂

[woeful steeple]

No they don't owe us anything, but it's about what they want to give us in order to retain our support. If they don't want to explain then fine, but it would make me want to stop playing the game at some point. Rn I'm only doing my dailies to get my money's worth for the IAP. The next season features my favorite artist so I'm highly considering supporting it. But beyond that, I don't see any more reasons to support Sky financially

[robust delta]

It's alright, I did kinda think that there might be a chance someone don't know pacman on nokia 3.2 mega pixel

[silent crater]

You have to remember, good pr always brings in new players. If a company listens to it's players, it will probably grow more than a company that doesn't. And thats because people don't want to place their money on the hands of people that don't know they exist.

[still mauve]

Then why do you have do bring your personal life into this ? Things are really expensive and we're sorry we don't have the possibility to work for being UNDERAGE, currency rate is different everywhere don't assume that it's cheaper or more expensive somewhere else.

[woeful sinew]

and a lot of people cant do what you can do.
like me.

[agile hazel]

Nah the golden age was when we were all criticising TGC in unison, this is more like fighting with each other

[modest junco]

been watching this arguement for 12 hours now, i understand what's going on, and i'm not impressed by how people don't space out their thoughts, rather just throw some words driven by anger and another one comes to throw different words then they unite saying that this was their main thought. which is really irretating, i just wish if people could calm down and talk more wisely, respectfully and with full understandment of their words instead of carelessly beating around the bush. tired of watching most of you stating points that somehow dont even connect and argue when someone replies to that point.
"Seems like you don't understand what i meant with the points, then just leave you don't get what's going on."
smh, people started fighting against each other, and shushing off one another, you can't blame me for seeing this pure nonesense. space out your ideas and thoughts and listen to others aswell, stop closing your ears when the opinions are not matching yours! be understandable with each other and stop attacking one another! some of you need to learn comunity rules.

[hallow igloo]

If I had bought an iap and it became igc or cheaper, I'd think I paid for using it for that year, and had gotten my money's worth out of enjoying it. Just personal stances

[chrome ivy]

Can I make a CS ticket regarding to me can't access the Beta. I have the beta tester on Google Play but it just stuck at the blue water start button, the button never show. The issue happened for months already

[ornate rover]

Good for you for having the privilege of being able to sell candy? It seems your only reason for defending the cat hair becoming an iap is because you can afford it. Think of others maybe?

[gilded tree]

Sure I don't know where you live and I do commissions to buy too.

So.... I'll give you example here.

You pay for someone to make a drawing of you, but they make a drawing of soemone else. Aren't you angry about it?

[boreal jewel]

Only one person's msg I agreed with of to make equal items if igc and iap, and not anything higher or lower.

[jade arrow]

It's not just about currency rates, it's about opportunities. If you can manage to go out in the streets and sell candies — that you've the money to afford— you and them are not same. Stop thinking everyone who can play this game is in a good place like you.

[ashen tusk]

Personally, I wouldn't quit sky because tgc don't tell us all the ins and outs of planned maintenance. I'm not sure if that's what you meant, but my original comment was only focusing on the fact tgc don't need to give us a step by step of maintenance plans. Other things they definitely should be communicating with us, though.

[radiant drum]

Yeah it's another case, just replying to someone that brought up the fact TGC never offers discounts on past items.

Discussion is a little meta at the moment and not only contained to Beta topics, but I think they can be a fair part of arguments and add context to what originated from Beta topics, which is why we allow/participate in them here at the moment. My mod duties force me to include a reminder here for us all to keep it still somewhat related to Beta and Days of Mischief, though

[uneven lotus]

Yes! Exactly!

[lapis flame]

while the items are in beta testing may differ from iap to igc.
but when it comes to global, you can no longer have this change from iap to igc, nor can the price decrease.
so before going to global everything must be resolved in the test version which is the beta

[loud bloom]

in my country it’s actually 9+, age is a complicated debate im not talking about again after this as it is a bit triggering for me

it’s really weird trying to use children playing in this discussion about iap items, do you want all items to be free then because children and broke players exist? see now why it’s a bit silly? the company needs to make money somehow

BUT i still am not happy with the unfair treatment towards f2p players, the pricing needs adjustment and the fact they swapped an item after seeing its popularity was just wrong ,, i believe the iap and igc items need to be balanced out better and the pricing needs to be dropped at least

[still mauve]

It's really easy to talk calmly and not get mad but seeing how others can support someone without seeing the full picture it's kinda of making others mad. Fighting each other is not good but being called ungrateful or insulted cuz we don't have money to pay or we can't is really hard to take, we talk here about things that may not be convenient to others however it's not a reason to be rude or attack somebody over it talking rationally works.

[woeful sinew]

i say we just ignore them. they're obviously trying to get attention they cant get elsewhere

[royal mantle]

I mean yea- it's really good you make your own money man! But not all of us do it. I can spend a lot on my peers and friends just to see them happy. And they do the same. We don't sell stuff to people in school but share where I come from. Don't get me wrong I'm not attacking you. It's just that our situations are different. Where I come from, if you work at a young age, they make you overwork and you get paid less than what you'd be paid in an hour in USA. But hey, it still costs a lot per day to live lol. I hope you understand

[tame merlin]

You are so wrong because I actually might not be able to get it because to save all that money will tale a lot of days but IF I dont get it is FINE because at the end I can still play Sky like everyone else

Why can’t y’all have this mindset? We dont need cosmetics to play just enjoy the game we dont have to be jealous of other players… WHY? It doesnt make sense theres lots of hairs already

[fleet hollow]

[errant wadi]

I honestly think that If TGC keeps doing this, and i:m not the only one who Is saying this, but at this point it could happen a boycott

[low dew]

It was a free one at first
Untill it isnt😕😕😕
Dont you able to see that is unfair

[sand rune]

Skebeep mmbop
This conversation about currency rates and whatever isn't going anywhere. Just a spiral that goes nowhere, and it's just a waste of time

[devout needle]

You are just starting arguments and making things in this channel worse please just discuss calmly 😭

[simple yew]

It’s not only about "having it for free or not."

The cat hair, as people said many times, is just the trigger to a lot of things that happened and that need to be changed about in app purchases , quality, the price and others.

[burnt mist]

I think it is not necessarily about the cat hair, but the way they executed it. If it wasn't free from the start I doubt there would be nearly as much outrage

[ocean cedar]

90% of Sky gameplay is literally about collecting cosmetics, what are you on about? 🧍‍♂️

[woeful steeple]

I don't think they have to tell us everything. But if they give us nothing, then why should I give them anything? I'm sure I would still enjoy the game even if they didn't communicate with their audience at all, but there are some things I'm willing to give up for ethical/personal reasons. I have dropped artists, shows, games bc I don't agree with the company/people behind them and I'm willing to do the same to TGC if this gets too much.

[radiant drum]

To bring it a little back to Beta myself, I think this is an important part of discussion because many people feel the way you do, while others believe the price should be changed because they are past items. There is not right or wrong on this, and in the end TGC is left to decide

So far they've decided to bring back items with the original cost, at the expense of store bloat— many complain about there being 10+ IAPs in Days of Mischief and the total being $100+, while others would argue it's the most fair. Hard situation all around to navigate

[spark lance]

Ofc it's not okay to argue among eachother just because they have different opinion but what u said was straight up dismissing the reason why this all is happening. Saying that people are fighting for a cat hair undermines the reason and issue at hand. Also i would suggest you take a break and relax a bit. The moderators are here to take care of the community rules.

[modest junco]

oh please not this... you're being noticably rude. remember, the other party is a human aswell, rudeness does not fix anything.

[loud bloom]

let’s not call each other names, be civil or go take a breather because we’ve already lost reactions and the time limit has gone up because of the rude comments and fighting

[signal sedge]

guys lets be respectful pls, dont call people names and such!! if someone is attention seeking ignoring is probably the best course of action Lets be respectful and if someone is trying to start arguments not directly involving the beta and days of mischief you can report or ignore them

[tidal nexus]

Better delete that before mods yeet you. Many words here seem too harsh

[uneven lotus]

guys there's no use in arguing with ChibiLink

[radiant drum]

I'll be deleting comments that are attacking others, directly or otherwise, and mutes may be given. Please let's keep it respectful all

[ornate rover]

I have the money for the cat hair but also don't plan to buy it because I don't want it. But I'm putting myself in the perspective of f2p players who saw a nice item as igc switched to iap. It's been a much wanted hair for a long time and now that we finally have it, not everyone has access to it. I would just rather side with what the player base wants

[woeful sinew]

again. its not the cosmetics. its the miscommunication. it been going on for longer than it should've. that's what most people want answers to thats it.

[copper pagoda]

out cooldown will go back to 11 minutes cos of this
sorry for the trouble miri and other mods

[gilded tree]

Sigh... feels like talking to a wall...

But fine I'll let that person think whatever they think

[ashen tusk]

That's fair enough, it doesn't make sense to continue supporting anything that goes against your values. Hopefully tgc can address the issues being brought up in a sufficient way that will show the community they care and give us an opportunity to give them a chance to improve. But it's also unrealistic to believe that they'll be able to appease everybody and especially not overnight, I think this will probably take a while to come back from.

[safe goblet]

So for you we can’t have updates ? We can’t have new things just because we have enough ? Like man the hole sky world is about cosmetics if you don’t have any it’s fine but man do you think there will still be players if they don’t make updates or free content ? Like bro what will you do in a game that you have nothing to do except do the same thing over and over and don’t get anything

[silent crater]

Flashbacks when people almost tried to boycott TGC over the sword pants.

Edit: I mean it worked, Sword Pants became IGC later on...

[hoary goblet]

I'm completely on the community's side but attacking eachother for any reason and using names such as white knight and with sarcasm is just extremely unhelpful to both sides👨‍🦯

[silk trellis]

[blazing creek]

ok hear me out… cat hair+yeti pants+faceless mask+hair accessory orange+yoga spirit cape+winter piano

[agile hazel]

Hey mods, I think you should just start muting people. It's getting out of hand and y'all have given enough warning about it, this debacle just repeats over and over every few hours.

Also Endy, thanks to your pfp I'm gonna have that song on repeat again

[lapis flame]

Yes.
and there really are a lot of iap on halloween already there are at least 10 iap which cost a lot of money.
and there are only 3 or 4 items per igc
unfair that

[jade arrow]

You can feel like a monk and be fine with just getting by doesn't mean everyone should feel the same. If you look at what others are saying then you'd know it's not just about the cat hair. I don't want the hair either, I talked myself out when my hard earned $7 in 2 months in PayPal wasn't accepted. A lot of us are good at moving on like me, doesn't mean we'd stay in a situation that gets worse and worse. There will be protests when authorities don't hear.

[spark lance]

ONGGGG someone pls do this

[woeful sinew]

agreed

[sand rune]

Still kinda funny how the price change was made in a day
Just a tiny 16mb update
And I thought they had new content or smth that fast
Thonk

[still mauve]

If you guys are so bothered by that person then it's better to either not continue the argument or have any interaction with them at all rather than insulting them. they do have a different opinion but that doesn't give us the reason for them to insult us or us to insult them. After all a reminder that mods are here too

[spark lance]

I will no longer engage in conversation with those that don't read comments. They don't give good points and only state biased points of views
"You don't need to spend"
"I can pay for it" comments are downplaying others arguments.

[signal sedge]

i would vouch for this as well, it feels like some people are just trying to start arguments and it makes it hard to have constructive discussions Also the name calling and stuff can be very hurtful

[gilded tree]

Oohh? 👀
I don't have yeti pants in beta yet can I have a look in dm?

[tame merlin]

I didnt say anything about not getting updates cause CLEARLY we are getting some, but since it’s a MASK and not a HAIR y’all are making all this drama

Beta is just a test nothing is the end results until it goes to live version so ITS FINE if they make some changes

[ashen tusk]

Omg yes please hand out mutes to those being disrespectful, it's keeping us trapped in arguments that are unproductive and exhausting to see

@ornate rover I'm pretty sure they mean mute people who are being rude

[ornate rover]

Um this is a space to discuss the beta and what we like or don't like about it. The changes we want won't happen if the conversation ends. Muting will just make people even more upset and like their opinions don't want to be heard

Oh yeah maybe mute the people that are name calling or just here to provoke

[feral marlin]

let's block them lol

[errant wadi]

Exactly the boycott worked, but in the end , I can really see how everyone is angry here and they have the rights to be angry, so a boycott might even happen , even tho the problem of TGC is that they are not listening the feedback.

[simple yew]

It’s not only about the mask and the hair.

[radiant drum]

We try to be especially careful in situations like these, because people have a reason to discuss no matter how heated they might get, and we believe redirection and warnings give them a chance to breathe and improve their discourse. We do not hold back on mutes when they are needed, but there is good in giving people the benefit of the doubt because most people do mean well and just want to talk about something they love
(You can always report specific situations you believe have gotten past this point in #contact-the-mods though )

[ocean cedar]

Did you even read the situation?

[blazing creek]

ah sorry I dont have full outfit yet but I’m just getting my idea out there

[loud bloom]

remember to stay hydrated chat, things are bound to work out with the amount of opinions that have been voiced and at the very least we’ll be getting the cat hair back as an igc item (or tgc isn’t gonna ever live it down 💀

try to understand not everyone is gonna think the same as you guys, be the bigger person and don’t drag out any arguments with people because it affects the whole chat

[chilly drift]

I thought the cape would be more distinctive with a cat tail, like the one I posted on the Videos, without the extra fabric. By the way, once again, I hope the hair and cape can be sold separately to give us a choice

[silent crater]

I might join in, tbh. As I said, I am not really happy with any of the decisions TGC had made hence the break.

⇒ Different Matter
I do not know if Chibilink is trolling or not. Either way, it seems like a lot of people are frustrated at them...

[safe goblet]

It’s not only about this man

[modest junco]

if it was in the live version i'd understand your point here.
but it's beta? beta is for testing, not remain as it is since it arrives in the game, please put that in mind.
it's as if tgc said "My dears, we promise that this is the final stage of the cat hair, you may proceed with the saving up. oh wait, no never mind we're making it for money."
literally we have around 2 months ahead til days of mischief, it's been like what... two days since the cat hair was introduced? and i do understand those who say cat hair should be an igc or it's not all about the cat hair. but those who're angry because it got changed in beta? really?

[sand rune]

The "I can pay for it" arguments don't downplay anything imo
Yeah sure I know, you're rich/spoiled/naive, and you're massively outnumbered anyway so
Sure, you can afford it? See if we care

[still mauve]

Oh now you're going too far with sayin drama if you're going to insult us in that way then don't be shocked when it's rebuked/ comes back to you. If you cant have a conversation without insulting us or calling us dramatic then it's better not to have one after all, you're only standing by your point without wanting to understand thousands of other points so idk why you're even trying to discuss this please don't provoke others cuz it comes back to u. It might be fine with you to make changes but making changes that the community isn't satisfied with is just a poorly made decision.

@Jun.#2613 I would not go to the point of blocking however if they continue to stir the community up and us being called mean cuz they started it It's a reason to be ignored.

[gilded tree]

Owhh it's alright! I can try imagine it!

[ornate rover]

I did like the feathery scarf part of it but now that you say this I'd rather there be a cat tail at the end kinda like how the manta capes have the manta tail thingy

[radiant drum]

I agree! From the beginning of events, I've always sent feedback to them myself on how it felt for the events to only be an opportunity to spend money. In my opinion we've genuinely seen improvements in this regard, most events now have a dedicated area, activities, items for in-game currency.

We should continue submitting this feedback whenever we believe things aren't going in the right direction, so long as we do it respectfully That's what this discussion is really about, no matter how differently we might feel

[spark lance]

"If it's not Happening to me, the problem isn't real"

[simple yew]

I hope the moderators are not losing sleep.

[ashen tusk]

By the looks of it they're taking turns, they really work very hard at times like this

[jade arrow]

What guarantee do you have that things will change for better when they changed it for worse and haven't listened to Beta testers properly for a while? And this channel and others are are give feedback to TGC, and that's what they're doing. Go talk to TGC instead of raining on other's parade and giving Ted talks. Might as well give a feedback to TGC about not change anything for good because everyone is just being dramatic, right?

[spark lance]

I'm actually pleased with the slowmode because it gives us more time to read others opnions. I'm no holder of the truth and my opnion even if i try not to is based on my experiences on game
But we can all agree that a lot of players are mad at the current state of the monetization in game. But to label all of us as "ungrateful" for giving feedback not only is downplaying our opnions and experiences but ignoring the hundreds of different opnions about this topic. This isn't tgc vs the players

[chilly drift]

I think it could be like a carp cape, only a cat tail would be cute!

[spark lance]

Exactly! Also
"If i can buy it then you can too" x_x

[silent crater]

If nothing gets said then the possibility of them changing it diminishes. It's beta, yes, but there's a discussions and feedback chat for a reason.

If people who are against the change don't speak up, then TGC will think it is fine. You can't tell people to not talk about it because that is literally what beta is for. It's so things can change (by taking in player feedback) before it's released to Live.

EDIT:
I think the primary reason why people are talking about this is no longer about the cat hair. It's about a bigger issue about TGC and the way Sky is handled in general. The cat hair is just the catalyst. The final straw.

It's like the Genshin anniversary rewards. People have been complaining about the mistreatment in general, not about the underwhelming rewards. People were complaining about it for the longest of time, the Genshin Anniversary rewards was just the final straw.

[dense oracle]

It is also FINE if we say to change it back

[sterile cobalt]

i dont think its that "we cant get it in beta" its that beta is what comes before live, we get to test things and see how they work and everything else with them
its not about having the hair in beta its that they said they planned to have it be in-game currency then the very next day made it iap. i think a lot of players feel cheated out of it, or that theres an intentional rift between nice things in iap and lesser things as igc suddenly, especially with the mask design change

[radiant drum]

Sometimes it can be rough, but mostly if you see us out and about we're doing fine We're here because we also care a lot about Sky and have own opinions on the matter ~~and if I see a fellow mod losing sleep over moderating, I'll send them to bed myself ~~

[woeful sinew]

[loud bloom]

WAIT WHAT WHICH HAIR? THE WITCH HAT HAIR OR

[ashen tusk]

Why is this so threatening

[sand rune]

the witch hair wasnt iap lol, the hat was
im still sulking at the fact that a witch hat head accessory exists as a spell but not as any item
also what how is cooldown 3:30, wasnt it mostly whole minutes

[royal mantle]

🛏️

[elder inlet]

wait then the hair itself didnt return or what? cus i only know that frizzy hair from mischief not the one with the hat thanks for the reply! my moth self didn't get to finish exploring lmao-

[spark lance]

Poor miri loosing sleep cuz of us 😦

[north patrol]

“We don’t need cosmetics to play” and “We don’t have to be jealous of other players” does not excuse TGC changing the IGC to an IAP overnight. You miss the main point people are trying to talk about here.

According to you, beta is just a test and not the final decision, but 90% of the IAPs that go into beta come to live as an IAP anyway. But players aren’t complaining about that. Why? Because it was already listed as an IAP from day one. Most of the time, that is the situation. The only time uproars like this happen are when the IAPs are extremely unfair.

Because people here are upset about the lack of transparency with the TGC devs, and how the timing of everything was too suspicious to pass off as a coincidence. If many people think the mask’s new design is unappealing, what’s wrong with that? And it’s been changed to an IGC item too, a good number of people would think that TGC changed the mask’s design because it now costs candles instead of money.

It’s not wrong to be upset about something that initially costed candles and now costs money. It was a well-received IGC item and the next day it’s an IAP. You don’t consider people would find that strange? One dev said they settled on the cat hair being an IAP a week ago, and another dev said the hair was meant to be an IGC. People are calling out TGC for this unprofessional behaviour.

Why should we be grateful that they “still give us free stuff” when the ratio of IAPs to IGCs are so overwhelming? It’s easily a 3 : 1 or 2 : 1 ratio most of the time. Your past messages imply that players who don’t spend money deserve nothing but the bare minimum, and should be grateful with just anything. Devs work hard, yes. But this does not excuse any behaviour that needs to be called out.

I found your messages rather aggressive, so forgive me if mine comes off rather aggressive too. But, saying that beta players are just upset we can’t have items via free currency is a little too much. The marshmallow pack was also an IAP, but I didn’t see anyone complaining about it. There were so many IAPs in past events, but beta players didn’t complain about it either.

[simple yew]

Aw, please do send them to bed! I am glad you are all doing your best. We all want this place to be respectful and nice, even when it comes to opinions and potential changes!

[tame merlin]

Of course that’s fine too I’m only complaining for the amount of disrespect people are giving TGC when they literally did nothing wrong and Beta is meant to be for testing so its fine they make some changes they also said the hair was never meant to be IGC that was done by poor communication and just for that MOST of you guys are disrespecting and DEMANDING something that is not up to any of us

[ocean cedar]

Textwall jumpscare

[dense oracle]

Tbf, disrespect is coming from both parties.

[ornate rover]

The cape is already kind of crinkly so I think it would be able to like stick out more to really resemble a cat tail, if it was too flat it'd feel a lot like the original manta cape

[magic jetty]

the poor communication is the issue...

[woeful sinew]

there was literally no disrespect lol

[low dew]

It was just an excuse 😕
See the rainbow pant? They was igc at first and then they changed to IAP??
We got it back to IGC cuz we reacted

[ashen tusk]

The noodle hair is igc for 60+ candles, the witch hat is IAP and can be found by visiting NPCs hiding up a very narrow staircase, I'd recommend running around slowly and checking all the nooks and crannies because I missed it at first

[uneven lotus]

Can we please stop the argument with ChibiLink? I'm losing braincells reading their messages

[royal mantle]

Hey @tame merlin yes we're demanding because we have right to it and opinions to state. It's a free country

[jade arrow]

I'm in awe of people who can form such articulate sentences with logic while I lose my hair lmao.

[sand rune]

TGC gonna need to make a season of making up at this rate after this smh
what wisdom shall you provide us, oh potatoes

[signal sedge]

if you feel someone is being disrespectful maybe you could say that? It feels like you are coming in to just start arguments when the majority of people here are just expressing their opinions and such, we wouldn’t be here if we didn’t care about the game and company! This is beta, its here for us to provide criticism and our thoughts. If we don’t there is no point to it i think you might need to take a step away?

[teal spire]

Same here.

[spark lance]

"Respect is a two way street. Respect is earned, not given"

[cosmic orchid]

its fine?
they introduce it as igc one time and quickly changed it to iap and it's fine?
the cat mask had a lot of personality when it was IAP and it became a bland when it became igc and it's fine?

[honest wren]

I also think it’s fair to point out that we expect more from tgc than multi million dollar companies despite them likely doing their best and offering more than others would for free, and the fact that the sheer amount of reaction is a bit over the top and unnecessary

[silent crater]

I was originally not going to debate (though to be fair, I'm just commenting so...). Looks like I love this game more than I realized.

[safe goblet]

Bro I’m too tired to fight with people that are so close minded and only care about themselves ;-; like it’s not complicated to listen to other too

[ashen tusk]

We should be respecting one another by default.

[radiant drum]

It's okay to discuss different opinions but please try not to dismiss what each player is sharing. This chat shouldn't be just about hating or loving TGC and their decisions, there is a lot of place for nuance in-between that can be a good debate without turning personal or into an argument

[spark lance]

Respect as an human being is a thing civil people gives even for strangers
The Respect as an individual is earned

We can all respect people

[spark lance]

and now its ugly as hell

[royal mantle]

[waxen charm]

This whole topic turned into a whole argument didn't it? I'm still here reading 😭😭

[dusk geyser]

HTLP IM SORRY BUT I READ THIS AND LITERALLY LAUGHED OUT LOUF THE WORDING WAS JUST SO BLUNT

[gilded tree]

how to pat cat in sky, I wanna pat, hug, give the cat snack too but the cat will yeet me

[cosmic orchid]

did nothing wrong

æææææææææ the miscommunication that lead to this situation clearly isn't their fault because they're not to blame

[tame merlin]

I don’t need to take any step away who are you again? I’m just saying my opinion on this matter

@wraith solaro tell me again how did TGC disrespected us?! By making their own choices on their game?!

[fleet hollow]

honk

[silver lark]

They always ignore our feedback, fyi

[sharp ice]

what's going on?

[vagrant depot]

guys calm down and just ignore them

[spark lance]

We can all respect people, but not all people should be respected.

I was gonna give examples, but it is out of topic, and Miri might Mute mee

[ocean cedar]

War

Oh

[unreal beacon]

an argument, I got here 5 minutes ago to check so im not too sure

[radiant drum]

Let's not make statements about specific players in chat here. Anyone that feels frustrated about something can choose to not reply and continue the discussion, share their own opinion in a message instead, or even take a moment away from chat Again, I will be deleting messages that are aimed directly or indirectly at someone and mutes may be given if we can't get to a constructive space

[vagrant fable]

We're still going, huh

[signal sedge]

i’m just another player! And your opinion is valid, it just seems you are very upset and sometimes if someone is upset they say things they dont mean, i just want everyone to take care of themselves having heated arguments isnt helping anyone here, we need to have constructive discussion!

[ornate rover]

I think it's the lack of help for the players that miss out when the game is unplayable. Android has had it rough this month with no compensation. It makes the player base feel unappreciated and like they are just there to be profited off of. It's their choice to not offer compensation, but it's also our choice to lose support for them when that happens. We don't have to be happy with all of their decisions too

[spark lance]

😭 I had to say it, sorry

[cunning crow]

Hanlo I wish to know when days of mischief is gonna come live. If no one knows that’s fine 👀

[silent crater]

Y'all need to stop disrespecting and insulting each other. Discuss to your heart's content, but all know we can (and should!) debate in a peaceful and respectful manner.

[maiden moth]

22 October

[ashen tusk]

We don't know live schedules

[uneven lotus]

around Halloween

[tame merlin]

Actually they don’t, remember rainbow pants? They changed it after we asked them to so don’t say they never listen cause they do but if they ALWAYS listen to what everyone wants then every IAP wouldve been IGC and their company wouldve gone broke

[radiant drum]

Beta players aren't really given a timeline of when events will come to Live. You can look at past dates for reoccurring events to have an idea though, and since this event is based on Halloween it should be around then

It will be announced in #news when we have a date!

[wraith solar]

Wat

[toxic monolith]

I understand where ur coming from. But what a lot of people, including you it seems, don’t realize that a massive part of Sky, and what drives players to the game are the cosmetics
Sky isn’t a pvp game, and it doesn’t have an ongoing constant story to play. lots of games have the cosmetics as a side thing. but for sky, community and cosmetics are like the main part of the entire game

so while it’s fine for you not to get some cosmetics, it’s a huge bummer for the rest of us because it’s like half the game

[gilded parrot]

No one knows when things will happen in Live Any Live announcements will be made in #news!

[woeful sinew]

they just seem to be very passive aggressive. sorry for saying what i did.

[north patrol]

I haven’t seen most people disrespectfully insulting TGC, or name calling. I saw a couple of people name calling and threatening to review bomb Sky on the app store. But asides that. . . I haven’t really seen any other cases? Correct me if I’m wrong though.

And people aren’t demanding or being disrespectful about their opinions? I’ve seen a lot of people respectfully debate their case and opinions, without insulting TGC. Perhaps you might have been confused with speaking out on the company’s behaviour versus being disrespectful? Beta feedback says to list what we like and dislike asides from feedback about the features, so if our opinions or decisions don’t serve as a factor for how the live version appears, then what is the point of a beta server at all then?

Your past messages were aggressive, and hurtful. Saying you’re “glad TGC changed the IGC hair to an IAP” and that “we should be grateful with the items TGC give us” is just uncalled for. You come off aggressive to people who aren’t on the same wavelength as you, and you say that calling TGC a “greedy company” makes us rude. How are we disrespectful when you also respond with messages that contain the same, or more hostility?

And please don’t forget that for most of the time beta players do not complain about IAPs.

[jade arrow]

About the 'cat' mask, I don't buy their reasoning. Sure it clips with lots of hairstyle like many other masks. They could work on a feature that stops mask from clipping for once and for all, instead of choosing the lazy way out.

[ocean cedar]

I think new cat mask isn't that ugly, it's just not worth 44 candles

Still, I prefer the old one

[naive dragon]

everyone ( almost ) is talking about how unfair the game is being with the fact that almost everything is an iap which i agree its unfair but it has been happening for so long but the switch between the cat ears and the cat mask overnight was the last straw for quiet much everyone and that the prices of the iap are also too much i think the iap for the Halloween event are around 8 when us players got only around 3 igc item

[elder inlet]

wouldnt say id want everything to be IGC GOD but at least for prices to be reduced,cat hair probably blew this all of since it went into bundle in which we all know has always been overpriced feel like what im saying isnt related but still

[radiant drum]

It's alright, just important to understand that by responding in a similar manner it only goes downhill from there. It's best to just drop something if it's not going anywhere, than for it to turn into a proper argument

[gilded tree]

I am actually hoping the witch hat (w/o hair) is coming back as in normal cosmetic, not in spells only.

I really love that too alongside the cat cosmetics and I have been waiting and wondering if we can get that 👀