beta-discussion

[spark lance]

It's like they are making bad decisions and then having a meeting right after like:
"quick, the one with the best idea to shut these cash registers up gets a rise"
*momentary band-aid idea* usually involves "look at us defenseless puppies, don't be mean"
"PERFECT, RISE FOR YOU"

I do believe it they have had terribly communication in the past.
🔵 part 2 of season of shattering will be tested soon

• uh any news on that?
  🔵 the 3 days of server issues in live with no official acknowledgment until gen chat started going crazy
  🔵 suddenly switching charities for days of rainbow with no say
  🔵 saying afk timers for wax collecting is not going to be a thing (beta protested and had it removed but it suddenly appeared in live months later with no notice)
  I believe they have terrible communication and they just messed up here. I continue to be disappointed tho.

These are just times that the communication really bothered me

[strange glen]

⬆️ (cuz we cant react)

[jade arrow]

Don't mind me, just checking if I'm saying something wrong because my message aren't sending.

Edit: Okay, it's fine.

[rapid reef]

For everyone still believing this discourse is over cosmetics. TGC has show. over and over again that they don't respect their player base. Please understand this is not about cosmetics but the mistreatment of all players that keep on piling up.

TGC is not our friend. They do not respect us anymore. They are not listening. This entire outburst is not sudden or a dramatic result. It's a cumulation of constant ignoring, mistreatment and poor communicating. It's not about cosmetics and the recent cosmetic is just what caused the glass to overflow.

[spark lance]

This will happen every time iaps are involved I think that’s why tgc is planning to avoid showing prices in future beta builds because as soon as there is a price on a loved item, everything comes to a screeching halt, always

[kind nest]

Watch me get nitro one day just for that And I don't get why there is a limit like that. But thanks for clearing that up I appreciate it. I was really just wondering xD

[cyan plank]

I'm so glad people haven't forgotten about the Juggler and sword pants mess, that was wrong on so many levels. As someone who's been a fan of TGC since Flower released and loved their games it's truly disappointing to see what they've become nowadays.

[orchid nexus]

there are still some personal arguments happening, so I'm going to start giving more direct warnings, removing messages, and muting anyone that continues a personal argument with another member. If someone says something you don't like, ignore or block without a second thought. if someone says something abusive or intentionally harmful, #contact-the-mods.

And if you hit "reply," ask yourself first if you're continuing a constructive debate, or just arguing because you're angry

[gentle lily]

Wait they made the cat hair from mischief an iap?

[subtle juniper]

Lets also not forget how money hungry Tgc IS that they left us with 13 days of break....

...

When days of Rainbow started......
And the season ended....
No breaks for the players 🧟

[blissful gulch]

Well that's explain a lot of things, now comes the following question, If you start throwing insults and saying that we are mean and rude, what did you spect them to answer you? Victimizing yourselfe using your age to try to justify your attitud gives a lot to be desired from you

And by the way most of us are not even adults xd

[radiant drum]

Looks like your message was censored earlier for profanity, I can DM it to you if you'd like but remember to keep language appropriate

[spark lance]

The cat hair been switched and the mask been downgrade isn't JUST the one thing we frustrated about. this all problems is like the bomb that slowly ready to explode. this is not the first time we got disappointed. and they add this change and KABOOM. y'know not all people have patience on this. this is the deepest frustration. and if we don't voice our opinion. idk what will do. or maybe they want us to stop playing the game or else.

[cosmic orchid]

well, beta is a testing ground
so I believe they'll use us as they wish if they view that it'll benefit the game
they'll take whatever feedback they need, irrelevant things (such as IAP prices) aren't needed as they don't have plans to change prices anyways

[spark lance]

I can’t cause I literally said it’s not fair and they are questionable when it comes to pricing, Now I don’t want anymore pings cause I left this conversation. So goodbye people happy arguing

@blissful gulch I am not victimizing myself I am defending myself and I wouldn’t expect you to know how it feels when everyone is ganging up on you just cause I have an opinion you all don’t like

Now goodbye

[sacred spade]

Mood

[violet bane]

😊 Replying once again to this so people (who just came here (Hi sorry welcome TwT) ) don’t accuse users here starting a riot over a single item that became an IAP ☺️

[thorn terrace]

Yeah, that's REALLY ANNOYING.

A thing who made me fall in love with this game it was the "month of pause" who gave us at the end of the season.
I really hope this time there will be another month and not just 10 days :/

[worldly quest]

oh hi kartoffel didn’t know you played sky too

Anyways y’all I agree. Things are not gonna get better unless we continue what we’re doing and let tgc know that this is ridiculous

[spark lance]

Guys let's just dont worry about the CatHair and do our cr's since theres a chance that it can be a IGC again.... I DON'T KNOW HOW WILL I WONT WORRY

[bronze matrix]

Oh it's absolutely no problem! I just know tgc is under heavy fire right now (and I get why) but I just wanna make sure the things that they're under heavy fire for are actually something they did. I've had to correct a few people on some discord things that's been out of their control but happy chatting!

[fathom inlet]

I hope it will or else i’ll be so disappointed 😔

[graceful widget]

This incident is the opportunity , leading to many problems with TGC and player dissatisfaction

[rough falcon]

Good point. If tgc is smart they'll listen to us, but I thought the same when wildworks royally screwed up fe.ral so who knows. I need to save up for the tent.

[frank mirage]

Hello beta chat!

Still the same situation after hours, well yes TGC does make highly anticipated items IAP but there's still a small chance that they will listen to the players and change it again

[zinc gate]

yeah it might change , there are like 2 months left i think and until then everything can happen guys dont forget. If yall keep complaining maybe it might chance since things like this happened before trust me.

[spark lance]

My message was most likely filtered but I didn't say anything that was breaking the rules @orchid nexus I'm confused. What was the word that got it deleted? I didn't do anything

@spark lance in my opinion that is not a good idea. This is a feedback channel that we are supposed to give feedback to. We cant just close our eyes and ignore it because just like in the past, nothing changed and beta testers weren't being heard.

Weibo must be on fire rn

[ancient pike]

By “Part 2”, I think they meant the flying shards.
…
WAIT THEY DID WHAT WITH THE CHARITIES!?

[radiant cipher]

I do agree on that but like not to add salt to injury but this Jean person also went out targeting ppl for stating their opinion and giving feedback which indeed provoked ppl. Goes both ways hun

[rotund reef]

If the mask being free means it gets a downgrade then please please please for the love of all things good throw it back in the iap bundle

[midnight python]

fellow feralian!? 👋 i see youre in fer.ever too

[buoyant oxide]

Sorry, I want to take up public resources, that is, can we crack down on the exemption of the test suit? It is because of this that the delay of the test suit is high and the service area is paralyzed. Sometimes I can't open it. If you see it, please be sure to crack down. Thank you.(The translation may be wrong, please understand)

[gritty void]

nice rainbow pants incident all over again if they make the hair IGC again

[teal viper]

Let's just hope theres chances in live version.. since this is just still beta~, I do love the cat hair even tho I planned to buy the witch hair.. and the cape.., Not to mention they really should change the mask! It looks like it's an angry normal mask.. rather it being a cat..,

I appreciate if TGC will fix this or community will go rage..

[spark lance]

I also expected part 2 of the season would be something amazing that gonna happen but then they just increase the difficulty of the event LIKE WHAT

[cursive tinsel]

So we want TGC to

• be open about which versions of Android they will continue to support and how quickly they can address isues?

-compensate server issues globally via the inbox within a day of the issue ( without worrying too much on the game economy...we don't trade anyway)

-have an open discussion on IAP pricing. Do they have data that says most people globally are happy to buy them at this price but not the bubble of discord?

-create unique IAPs that are reskins and make any reskins or similar items cheaper?

[strange glen]

we have from 12 month only 2 month with no event
any other month we have events + seasons for 2 month always with ~2 weeks break between

[rapid reef]

I'm very glad that we're starting to hold TGC up to higher standard then the low we've allowed them to reach. They have been continuously degrading over time and it wear off the players.

[subtle juniper]

Wait,It used to be a month of break? That sounds like Sky paradise

[cedar yew]

Yeah, I miss being able to completely not log on for a long while without missing anything

[spark lance]

days of rainbow 2021
• reveals charities in blogpost for event
• hides charities from blogpost
• people ask where they are, no acknowledgement
• charities re-revealed post-event, one has been switched out for another
• people ask for explanation
• no acknowledgement

I was there lol

[cosmic orchid]

If the planets align and some great miracle happens that they'll actually change it to IGC, I absolutely predict it'll be degraded in some way
look at the cat mask

[orchid nexus]

mild profanity

[boreal jewel]

Do y'all think that majority of ppl are enraged towards tgc about changing mask from hairs?

[indigo totem]

Sooo if I buy the double rainbow flowers...will my money be in the charities???

[violet bane]

The last message tho 😂 I mean same, guess we just have to cross our fingers, give a nice and neat feedback and I will go cry in the bathroom at how poor I am j/

[fleet cape]

Not just that, TGC has been outright ignoring bug reports and community feedbacks just to endlessy pump more IAP, in other words, the community finally outburst

[ashen tusk]

They what now

[orchid nexus]

that's a hard question to answer here. it seems like the majority of people here are expressing thoughts like that, but some also avoid the discussion when many are angry, and some have felt pushed out for expressing contrary ideas

[bronze matrix]

H u h did someone accidentally ping me in their response to someone else?

[cold coral]

does anyone have a picture of what the cat mask looked like originally?

[copper pagoda]

honestly if they dont fix it id be a little more surprised
because that will prob cause. so much more backlash

also! @cursive tinsel probably dont forget we want to make it so that its more fair to f2p people as many of the playerbase cannot do iaps as sunmarized here:
#beta-discussion message

[lusty pecan]

There is a sad fact I has realized after a long time going through many changes in Sky. Isn't it obvious? Tgc will never listen to us. The chaos happening right now is not only about the cat hair. People are disappointed for a long time already, and this cat hair just blow people's disappointment up.

There were many times in the past, tgc could have made better decisions, but they didn't. They leave many bugs in the game there for years, maybe they don't have time to fix, but they do have time to change an favourite item from igc to iap -in one night- . Many times the server was down or server maintenance happen, players can't get into game for long time but after server is fixed, they never give us compensation... Many players giving feedback for silly things they did, they barely listen to those feedback even they create many channels for feedback purpose.

It's the disappointment that bigger than anger.

This time, tgc have made me fully disappointed. Sky used to be my favorite chilling game. They are turning the game from "chilling game" to "give me your money game"
I don't want to argue. I just want to express my disappointment, really hope tgc can read my message. Even if they see my message, will they even understand?

[north patrol]

Not just that, but the new design of the mask also happens to be less appealing now, many people think so. The hair was a well received design for majority of us, not to mention it initially cost in-game currency. The timing of the change of the hairstyle becoming an IAP comes off exceptionally strange.

[stable lily]

Guys relax, as if TGC will ever listen to us again LOL

Let's be real here, this game had enough IAPs ESPECIALLY on HALLOWEEN

So, when I heard about the hair being converted to IAP, might as well turn this game into a paid game if they're that greedy

[spark lance]

What charity did they replace with what?

[spark lance]

@spark lance You got a point there, but we cant reach anything by doing nothing, we have to try and finally make TGC hear us. For better game experience we have to do everything we can. Atleast.. for now.

@violet bane I hope they will fix the cat mask and make it better, And if TGC somehow manages to put the mask in the bundle too i will rage 🥰🥰

||No one knows how much I imagined outfits with the CatHair.. all gone||

[sweet briar]

Why is the cat hair iap bro😭😭?? I was so excited to get it for free once Halloween szn comes, I’m extremely upset and disappointed

[spark lance]

Okay maybe I'm remembering wrong but I'm pretty sure I did not use any profanity at all. That being said I'm moving on.

[limpid pumice]

"I don't know what you're talking about, that doesn't sound sus at all. Ahahaha-"

"Unless...?" ⛔️

[spark lance]

There's like 10% they will listen to us like when the little prince accident. or the worst 90% they don't listen

[placid iron]

Tbh this chat is making me nervous of saying that I like tgc
Like I'm genuinely scared that I'm gonna get full on bashed for it in replies just bc I said I like them

[thorn terrace]

Yes, more or less.

https://twitter.com/sky_box0324/status/1554669292805058561
Here an image who has calculated how many days off we had between seasons. Sometimes it was 20+ days and it was PARADISE fr

[spark lance]

Oo this make but I was expecting more in a part 2… especially since most of the feedback I feel was like the lack of story, emotes, and just missing thing resulting in feeling unfinished.

OOOO BOY I HAVE NOT FORGOTTEN WHEN THEY REMOVED A CHARITY I SUPPORTED. I BOUGHT A RAINBOW ITEM FOR THAT CHARITY THEN THEY DIDN’T DONATE TO IT. AND THEY DIDNT TELL US ABOUT IT UNTIL AFTER THE EVENT. They donated to the others no problem but I support amnesty international and wanted some of the money to go there.

[ancient pike]

Granted, I don’t think the shards are that hard, nor did I think that before. The flying rocks just look pretty. Good change imo.
People who don’t like the new shards are just mad the shards can dance better than them. /jk

Back on the original cat hair problem, I’m still getting everything either way. I’m just mad at their decisions and for other people.

[brazen osprey]

pls can i marry your comment?

[sacred spade]

From what I've seen, there seems to be huge miscommunication between the devs while releasing the last 2 patch updates (both the elder masks and mischief items). I'm not sure how they're managing their team but we definitely need more transparency from them regarding these changes.

I just hope they would communicate with us more in the near future...It obviously makes the players more frustrated and confused

[spark lance]

@indigo totem for 2022 DoR, yes, double flowers were the charity item. saddening bc last year, every DoR iap went to charity, now, it's all mostly just for profit again though
they did the same making the days of nature turtle the charity item, but not the cape

@ashen tusk yep, exactly what I said, really disappointing tbh

[arctic steppe]

I wonder if they could at least make the previous days of mischief items into igc items, and I'm saying this as someone who has purchased a few as iap a while back. The cumulative price of all the items is starting to look pretty painful. And cause of this I do see that it really stings to make the cat hair as an iap and simplifying the mask and making it the igc item. I wonder if the current cat mask could be a placeholder for something better/nicer looking than the previous (like a full mask rather than a half mask), though I know that is wishful thinking. I do hope they really think about what they just did and swap back the hair and mask before it reaches live. Cause if anything, those players who purchase iap items could always just purchase a candle pack to get an igc item and the folks who want the igc item can still achieve it. I know folks do that.

Again this is just ne spouting some wishful thinking/criticism. I don't really do arguing well. Just like to throw ideas, maybe.

[rough falcon]

Yall should check out the meme I made in the meme chat

[zinc gate]

yall guess what? 1 free item and the rest are all 120 dollars! gj tgc! nice event

[void ferry]

It's not just about that, it's more about the feeling of being taken for dumb ppl for a long time by TGC and what happens with mischief cosmetics is just the thing too much for many ppl

[indigo totem]

sheesh well done tgc

[violet bane]

Dude, the last sentence I can relate- I literally made a character with the cat hair and multiple outfits now- how can they ruin this 😭 dream hj/

[patent skiff]

Aren’t there like.. more iap then actual free stuff.. ? I was here for mischief last year and sheesh.. the prices beefed lol

I dislike when people defend this behavior. Cosmetics are pretty much the base of the game now

[spark lance]

I had to change so many words into emojis for it to be exactly 2000 characters so thank you

I just want ppl to understand this was the icing on the cake of this mess, some people forgot these instances but the feeling stayed, some people remember and that's why they are extra mad.
TGC white knight defenders say "it's just am iAP, don't buy it or leave if you don't like it" but it's so much more

[astral gulch]

Am I not the only one who seeing this pattern like :

• a cosmetic that’s universally loved and it’s in game currency
• gets popular
  -and make it as an In app purchase

[copper pagoda]

i think most of us like tgc ngl? and thats why we speak up
the thing is, its not that i dont like tgc, but i think they're making like the wrong decisions? you can still like smth and be critical towards it, and thats probably why lots of ppl are speaking out abt it. the point is more: i want this piece of media i love to continue being a quality work and less: this game sucks this company sucks give us stuff for free

we need more transparency from them and it feels like the players who dont spend money on the game arent being treated as fair as the ppl who do
and sure some cosmetics can be a luxury but that doesnt mean all "good" cosmetics should be locked behind a paywall of either hours of grinding or actual money

thats pretty much the main takeaway tbh, nothing about outright hating the company (at least for me personally)
theres a lot of nuance to consuming media and its no diff here

[spark lance]

Guys please good quality feedback doesn’t have to be a novel

[cursive tinsel]

I see

I think ktjn asked how this was different to swapping AP and non AP cosmetics in the season at one point

But the season does try to balance free and paid items so there is at least 1 outfit f2p that is occasionally even nicer than the paid items
Here the cat mask, in this latest case, is not as desirable by a long way

Was abyss rebreather mask better with the ult Vs non-AP version being more balanced?

[noble fox]

this is still going on? don’t you think we got the message across already?

[native stump]

That's exactly what they do

[terse drum]

Bro the rest adds up to 120? Thats nearly what it would take to buy final shattering cosmaetics first day 😰 (It added up at 130$)

[subtle juniper]

Sometimes to put all your ideas,you have to write something as long as the bible. That's how It works.

[rapid reef]

You are very much welcomed to do so.

I'm just genuinely glad that people are genuinely speaking up about the ongoing issues TGC has and are calling it out. It's been worsening ever since I joined and it was around over a year ago. It's ridiculous.

[stable lily]

Nah it's okay to say you love them knowing they communicate with the players a lot on this server.

Though as a player who plays for 2 years, I'm confident to say that I'm disappointed by their plans for this game. However, sending any threats to the company is still a no go for us especially for those people who wish to support them.

People have opinions so don't be scared, just don't support the things you think are wrong.

[limpid pumice]

There is nothing wrong with liking TGC, the problem is the amount of disrespect for the f2p players is real, and it's not fair at all for Days of Mischief along with the amount of feedback they gotten and have ignored, and people just now pointing suspicious things like swapping charities and still snuck in the AFK system. It is getting harder and harder to respect TGC when they aren't respecting the f2p players by downgrading a mask, and have several iap to buy when most cannot buy it.

[empty frigate]

until we receive confirmation from tgc on the subject no, nobody can be sure the message got across

[orchid nexus]

careful with words like "white knight" or "snowflake" that are meant to dismiss other people's heartfelt emotions. There is nothing wrong with being upset, and there's also nothing wrong with not being upset about the current debate

[boreal jewel]

I still think, that tgc made a big mistake, this will cause their reviews in google play, coz lots of ppl who don't wanna buy less iap items coz of Aurora season and next summer days, they might decide to quit, coz it's overwhelming. Meanwhile even normal feedbacks or reports ain't acceptable by tgc nowadays. Android 8 players couldn't even open game, plus tgc won't give any compensation coz of their some rules. Idk about my hopes be fulfilled but hope they do something less about it before more and more ppl outburst and decide to leave game.

[placid iron]

It's just that the way people are sentencing it n stuff makes me scared that I'm immediately gonna be targeted for liking them

[junior perch]

Wdym by swapping charities by the way, just wondering!

[still mauve]

As many of us said this , this is what the channel is made for and to be clear players won't stop until tgc will change it or make an announcement about it and please stop coming in here trying to make us seem like we're going on for too long when this is what it should be cuz it's too far ( this isn't aimed at you personally my apologies if I have offended you but to be clear this is for everyone who thinks we're overreacting)

[magic jetty]

i like tgc ill be honest i just want my cat hair back 🚳 and if its not back thats ok (FOR ME) too bc i can just get the old igc hair and the table

[ashen tusk]

You can love the work, the people, and the content but still feel upset over decisions being made. Similarly, not everyone will feel as passionately about this issue or future issues, etc. and berating each other isn't necessary. If we can't agree then that's okay too. Beta channels are for everyone to share their opinions

[elder kindle]

do we have the cat hair back for free?

[spice zodiac]

if this is still going on then something is clearly wrong don't you think

[ancient pike]

Honestly they’re gonna be gathering enough money with the AURORA IAP and the past DoMischief, let us have all new stuff be IGC for once.

[orchid nexus]

I still like TGC. I don't agree with all their decisions, but I'm pretty interested when situations like this happen because a) I want to help make sure everyone here helps each other through it without hurting each other, and b) in the abstract, it can be interesting to see how community sentiment affects the course of things

[spark lance]

#beta-discussion message
@junior perch I explained it here just earlier!

[cold coral]

Personally I'm just upset they changed the cat mask. I probably would've bought it if it was an IAP and stayed the same. But now it's free but isn't really worth the time to spend getting candles for, in my opinion. And it also sucks for other players who wanted the cat hair and can't afford it. I most likely won't spend any $ on the game again because of this, sadly.

[late sonnet]

Recommending peeps who are just coming in that if you still have thoughts about the change, #beta-feedback is the most effective place to be heard

[teal viper]

No it's okay!! I like TGC too.. the game is beautiful on its own way. But I still disagree the fact every single good item is gonna be on IAP.

But I don't want the cat hair anyway.. I thought it will be a cute thing to buy and so I can fit some things from my other cosmetics ^^
I'm planning to get the witch hair.. and the cape.., I mean .. it looks really goodd...

[violet bane]

Your message is totally right man and people should see that, idk why some are still defending these actions. We’re not targeting the TGC as a person (like personally, they made such a beautiful game and I love them for that) just this actions against people who can’t (or can but doesn’t want to spend 20 bucks on like- hair) buy these amazing IAP items then give us free cosmetics that had already been downgraded for an excuse of giving something away for free. This has happened before and this is just people finally going over their limit.

[spark lance]

hmm I still like hoyoverse despite their oopsies around sumeru
but I'm not blind (like some ppl are) and can see and acknowledge wrongs, call them out even
it can be same with tgc
it's possible I assure

[sacred spade]

Sadly, no it's still IAP. But it might change in the future based on the current feedback.

I wish the reactions would be enabled so we don't have to give a short reply every 5 minutes 😭

[north patrol]

Just a small sidetrack, but also related to the company’s behaviour : (I recall there was a rather heated discussion on this a while ago too)

Back in the Season of Gratitude, TGC ensured the players then that seasonal spirits would not return in the 2019 T&C, I think some old players can vouch for me if they remember. But in Season of Rhythm, they introduced the TS system, and travelling spirits started returning. Not a lot of players know this, I believe, and I’m genuinely not mad at all about the system! Just that TGC’s been going against their word since a long time back. Gratitude was the sole season where players were informed that the spirits wouldn’t return btw, was a long time ago!

Maybe some people will pass me off as a liar ahaha, since it was long deleted from their site and the terms and conditions have been changed, and few people played from Gratitude, but behaviour like this is not something I’m too surprised by anymore.

If you’d like to check, there’s an article on their website that’s called “Update on Early Adventure Pass Program”. It mentions, directly quoted from the site “thatgamecompany apologises to veteran Sky players who were early adopters of our Adventure Pass (AP). We hear your frustrations expressed by veteran Sky players who spent real money on the Adventure Pass and feel that the introduction of the ‘Travelling Spirit’ feature betrayed the original expectation of the limited items would never return which in turn has negated and decreased the value of the money spent.”

[spark lance]

I think tgc is very mediocre in being a company, very impotent and disorganized, having done this stupid thing is not something a smart company would do.

[native stump]

nobody is targeting anybody. Most of those who defend TGC are rude to f2p players. You can always say your opinion, but you should respectful the other group.Almost everyone who defends TGC is disrespectful to us, so we answer them.

[rapid reef]

It's okay. However you can like the game without supporting the company behind it. It's okay to be critical of things.

But if you are scared, I would suggest avoiding discussion entirely about what scare you. You're allowed to believe we shouldn't be outraged, so long you understand that we don't want to see the game reach a point that it's pay to have fun. Please be careful and take care!

[stuck willow]

May I ask how is the conversation going now?

[sweet briar]

And the way restore purchase option don’t even work either 💀,TGC ain’t slick. I’ve been playing since June of 2020 and honestly it was a bit better at that time they didn’t really become bad until assembly season came by, everything went completely downhill after that. I fully respect and agree with your comment because you’re right, they don’t listen to ANY of us despite saying they do when they don’t. The big bugs that were constantly there month by month and they didn’t fix it until the middle of 2021 and I mean server merge bug, flying race bug, and some other bug but I forgot. This comment right here honestly is how we all feel about TGC. Idk how or when they became like this, but this v sad especially to ppl who can’t afford in game items that look v cool to them, yea gifting is a great idea but let’s be honest, it still won’t fix what the damage has been done towards the game. And last? The packages bro why they take more than 18 weeks to come by. It shouldn’t be that long to wait for things you’ve purchased. Like c’mon :// TGC gotta do better “we want players to feel inclusive and to have this game to free of judgements, we made this game for everyone to love and be open in the sky world” well look now 🤭 smh those words don’t apply anymore at all.

[stable lily]

Fire, remember to have water to distinguish it /j

[spark lance]

HAUDHWJNXJW SAME LIKE I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE COOL WITH THE LAZY DAYS (old days of summer) HAT AND ITS LITERALLY ALL GONE 😭

[spark lance]

I have calmed down so PART 2: The reason I bring this up is because I would have been fine if they communicated that they are having doubts about it or whatever. But the fact that they don’t communicate brings a lot of frustration. There has been improvement to being clear with charities now but this situation broke my trust in tgc. I do not buy charity iap from tgc. I never will again.

The lack of communication has upset many players and it is just a company problem tgc has. The miscommunication this time was falsely putting cat hair as igc getting hopes up then making it iap causing people to feel they are purposely putting paywalls after positive reception. Which makes them look greedy.

[orchid nexus]

I work in a bigger company and I have seen much bigger mistakes made, not because any one person isn't doing their job or thinking about customer needs, but because software dev is complicated, and the faster you move, the more potential there is for trouble

[arctic steppe]

Wait, I need help remembering. Didn't some of the other "Days of [insert theme here]" have their previous items as igc during the event or am I imagining things? Couldn't they do that for Mischief? I remember thinking last year that oh yeah if I wait a year it'll be cheaper or something to purchase the current thing that isn't current now..

[zinc gate]

okay but like tgc isn't that small as a company and i'm pretty sure they earn plenty of money every year, so why can't they give us more free items ig? for example right now we will only have 1 free item and ALL of the others are 120 dollars! 120 DOLLARS!

[vapid lichen]

I agree with that as well, but at the same time I also understand tgc wanna earn money. Still, they could seperate the hair from the bundle like I mentioned or maybe adding another iap hairstyle and turing the cat hair back for free. I really hope they would have a good solution for the players and their company as well.

[empty frigate]

one thing i dont understand is people are saying this is "a f2p issue"?.

obviously f2p are the ones most affected by this. ive even seen people insulting f2p for being upset, which is awful, nobody deserves that. but ive spent a rather large sum of money on this game and am still upset - i was overwhelmed with joy upon seeing the cat hair, i had no interest in purchasing the cape however so while i can afford it im still rather annoyed that im now forced to spend money that i otherwise wouldnt have just to get the hair

[placid iron]

mhmn I'm going to sleep now it's nearly 12am and my sleep deprived brain is getting really overwhelmed rn gn fellas

[rough falcon]

Tgc still hasn't (if I'm not mistaken) fixed a pretty bad bug on switch where I am not able to collect items you can pick up for wax without the rest disappearing, which is really cutting into my candle runs. but instead of fixing that, they decide to do this.

[fallow delta]

Wow, still going strong. Keep up the riot*, guys
Make them take note, express your frustrations but remember to also be civil towards the chat mods
||* i said riot for dramatic effect here||

[copper pagoda]

this!!!
i think theres a lot of nuance to liking media
you can be critical of the media you consume but still love it

and i honestly think a lot of this chat is fueled by our love of the game as we remember it
we want to keep playing and we want to keep supporting the developers
thus when there are things that we find unacceptable, we are all trying to give feedback to tgc that we dont like it
its just that, tgc seems to have a habit for pulling these kinds of stunts, and its really making ppl feel down bc we dont feel listened to
which sucks! bc again; we love the game and we appreciate the effort that goes into it im sure, we just want to make sure that we can make the experience as good as it can be for the live game, which includes pointing out the stuff we dont like.
this isnt universal of course but like, it seems a lot of ppl here are former / current players who r just kinda. tired of the direction the game is going rn
a direction that isn't sustainable in their eyes, and its ok for them to express that as long as they dont start harassing ppl in their personal lives over it

[ancient pike]

The final tipping point for me is if they make an April event and pledge to Autism Speaks or TACA.
Not only would that be a semi-personal insult to me and others, but also on my BIRTHMONTH.

Now I don’t think they’d do this because honestly that’s just a death sentence for ANY company.

[elder kindle]

I think free2play players deserve cute cosmetics too, it should be free as it was meant to be in the beginning.

[spice zodiac]

this is not just about f2p this is about tgc slowly and continuously upping their prices to end up ridiculously high and thinking that we will simply keep buying them, i used to gladly buy all of the IAPs until we started going literally above 30 dollars for in-game aesthetic content, all those items are pricey and just add up to the pile of previous event cosmetics and you end up with OLD cosmetics priced the same as news all worth +100$ total, soon it's gonna be giving the entire sims 4 dlc library

[spark lance]

I don't recall this? I remember previous iaps staying iaps and previous igcs staying igcs

prices aren't changed either, except for that one time they tried to make the cherry blossom cape for bloom more expensive until people complained

[spiral yacht]

is the cooldown still 11 mins

it isn't

[worldly quest]

bro… if they ever donate to autism speaks im gonna blow my top

[spark lance]

i dont understand why old cosmetics dont get a discount? we even get sale and clearance items in regular retail stores but why not here for like .. literally 3 year old items.

[subtle juniper]

NO PLEASE,I AM A FELLOW AUTISTIC PERSON TGC DON'T

[obsidian blaze]

It’ve been 9 hours
Y’all have so many patience I swear

[rapid reef]

No but not only this! They have attempted to bring back season(Which I'm all for!) but in a way that made players have to regrind to get their UGs, without a guarantee they'll get it back if they don't make it through the season in exhange of candles.

They said they'd never disclose cultural inspiration so the game remain neutral. But still did it! When the entire riot about TGC disclosing cultural inspiration was up. People make it all about cosmetic.(Like how they are doing now, dismissing this issue as only being about a cosmetic.) It never was only about cosmetic but TGC's constant mistreatment of the communauty. I hope more people realise that.

[magic jetty]

i wonder what flower they'll use for days of bloom iap cape this year

[feral marlin]

no is been 14 hour

[cedar yew]

Guys remember to take breaks ‼️
Also yeah it's not the first time TGC mess up so no they need to actually listen

[limpid pumice]

They had the santa hat which was iap turned into igc and many vets were upset by that and swapped it back to iap.

I only seen the drama of that though, i wasn't in the beta during that-

If that is what you mean.

[orchid nexus]

I don't personally know what the issue is, but don't want to derail chat with questions about it. but please do send feedback with concrete reasons for this stance

[clever pagoda]

Yeah, the prices are way too much🙄 I’m also a bit disappointed with the content for this upcoming season. I love the cosmetics, they look amazing and the one quest we can test is alright, I like they are adding AURORA’s music. But I wish they had a new area, something perhaps related to the moon since she mentions it so much in her work. I know it’s only at its bare-bones rn, so I hope they will be adding a lot more, but we shall see. 🤷‍♀️

[stable lily]

I'm still wondering why they barely give us cheap f2p items anymore, sure they increased the chance of getting wax and such but

I LITERALLY HAVE SCHOOL this game is not my job?

It was supposed to be casual and relaxing but no, as a collector this game gave me white hairs instead 💀

I don't want my friend to keep spending their money on me because the item I want is locked under IAP, I want to get that hair and work for it but no it's a freaking IAP

[ashen tusk]

I wouldn't say they don't listen to us, the fact they bring out certain content especially recently that we've asked for - like giving us 7 emotes after we had none in shattering, the vocal instruments, cat items, etc. - proves they do indeed want to give us things that we want but I think some of the decision making as of late has been more so in their business interest than the community interest. It's not all one person who makes one decision, it's also not all up to the control of the devs who we see in the server.

I can understand that these decisions do make us feel underappreciated and unheard though, and I think sometimes our emotions are clashing with the emotions of the devs in that we aren't finding a common ground. They get hurt when we criticise them, we get hurt when they seem dismissive or react negatively to our concerns. It's sad when a community feels this tense and I hope in the coming days we get some more communication regarding the matter.

[sweet briar]

I agree with you 😭 I would buy the mini cosmetics that were like ¢0.99 before but now they all cost 3 DOLLARS?! 😭 and the lantern I was pretty upset finding out it was 20 dollars instead of 12 back then, and the Halloween capes too! Lord I wish they could just keep the prices the same instead of making them so expensive soon enough they gonna make them 40 dollars I bet (( ||being sarcastic|| ))

[spark lance]

That's an interesting thought, i would like something unique

I just think it's so funny how quickly they put a popular hair not only behind a paywall but in a bundle. Watch it be 30$ cuz it's with a cape. Why not add let's say 15 candles as well. totally can't get that in a day yeah let's just make it 40 or wait 100$ for a single IAP! Why not 😁 /s
we are heading in that direction anyway.

[void ferry]

and tgc move really really fast... they come to playstation before fixing bugs on ios,android or switch.. Yeah it will alway be some bugs but here there too much bugs...

[arctic steppe]

Ooh jeez, my memory must be fuzzy as heck then. Tbh at the time I hadn't really paid attention to iap items cause I couldn't afford it and had that hope of them being cheaper later for some reason. :/ I really hope they think about maybe turning some of the really old iap into igc items. I feel like it's a little unnecessary that they have so many iap for one event.

[dire egret]

people saying the devs don’t care, have you not seen the effort being put into the aurora season? Sure, mischief is a money maker but they aren’t just alienated devs like EA

[indigo totem]

Same 😭 now my cat hair character is crying in the corner

[low tulip]

Same 🧍‍♀️

[spark lance]

Well said

[boreal jewel]

Is this IAP messed chaos happen before too, or this is first time? Coz I never saw ppl having more votes of changing item back to igc

[gentle lily]

Feels like as time goes tgc is slowly getting greedier

No hate to the tgc crew, just calling out what I see

[rough falcon]

When this is hopefully over I want compensation for having to deal with TGC's shenanigans. I want my free cat hair, lower prices, AND candles for this mess.

[ancient pike]

Please read the reply chain.

[limber ember]

Halloween: festival to make children happy
Days of Mischief in sky: haha i need money gimme

Rainbow month: Raise awareness to LGBTQ+
Days of Rainbow in sky: haha gimme money take this double flower

Christmas: Jesus's birthday, important for Christian community
Days of Feast in sky: haha take whatever i need money gimme

Lunar New Year: Traditional New Year for Asian countries
Days of Fortune in sky: take this ugly red cape, have everything red, in exchange, money,

Valentine's day: Day of love and affection across the world
Days of Love in sky: no love, our love is between money

Anniversary: celebrate when we're getting started
Sky anniversary: Help us Celebrate by giving us money

Dys of Bloom, Days of Nature, Lazy days, etc.

I miss the old TGC, After they made the best game of the century, Journey, TGC feels different now

@dire egret well does it makes us ignore the fact that TGC is greedy? They're using our money, and gives u some cosmetics which worth nothing virtually, and after getting money, they use the money on the charities on their names not the players

[spark lance]

if they made the season just flat-out bad people wouldn't care lmao
tgc overall as a company is a moneymaker, what do you think the point of business is? aurora's going to make them money, of course

[somber thistle]

ye i came to Sky from an EA game so even tho i am upset about the cat hair decision, i still appreciate tgc a lot, frequent updates / massive f2p world.

[spark lance]

I don't think they're going to make the cat hair igc tbh. They are most likely going to make the cat prop igc, fix the mask (and make it more expensive too) but keep the cat hair as a iap

[patent skiff]

It’s always kind of been there though..

[north patrol]

TGC has already had disappointing behaviour from 2019. It doesn’t come as a huge shocker to me anymore 🤣

[past stone]

The cat hair got an overwhelmingly positive response, and they decided to change it to IAP :/ I feel like it's less focused on enjoyment and more of a money grab now

[dusky pendant]

cat ear hair please
f2p are crying 🥺🥺

[native stump]

What we're talking about is TGC's attitude towards their own community. Just because they worked hard for the Aurora season doesn't change how bad the halloween event is. A good Aurora season doesn't change TGC's greedy behavior either.

[worldly quest]

inb4 hanukkah gets added as a holiday and inundated with iaps

”here’s a menorah! now pay 10.99 for each candle”

[wind locust]

Sounds so much true

[subtle juniper]

Which Channel do I send feedback about this exactly?

[warm grove]

y'all sky family are still going?? good luck ;D want anything from the gas station?

[orchid nexus]

I did, and what I meant is I don't have a complete context, but I offer at least sympathetic support. and that because you feel strongly it's an organization that shouldn't be given support, you shoudl let TGC know directly and in detail, in #live-feedback or #beta-feedback

[cursive tinsel]

It's definitely not the first or the last time.

Rainbow cape
Rainbow pants
Days of feast IAP/IGC swap
The little prince IAP season...

People get heated about IAPs Vs IGC balance alot, and beta has been successful in changing TGC's mind in the past...if we are respectfully explaining why

[magic jetty]

red spider lilies would be awesome for a cape

[rotund reef]

we need cat hair back to candles and cat mask back to original form and iap! 🙏

[livid ridge]

TGC is slowly turning into That Grabbing (Money) Company 💸

[copper pagoda]

remember if you havent theres a better chance of getting cat hair if you tell them your concerns in #beta-feedback :)!

i do want more f2p stuff and that does start with the meow meow hair pspspsp

[native ruin]

:v

[cobalt jacinth]

Just a note passing by that a staff told once they take the event money to develop new seasons (and in the first few years of development Sky was very unprofitable)

[mighty kraken]

FYI I’ve spent 200+ on this game and will probably not IAP anymore, the cat ears themselves are sort of “eh” to me but TGC leadership decisions on pricing etc is sorta scummy. I get that more investors -> less autonomy so maybe it’s not TGC’s decision but this is just repeating the classic get investors > more money > investors demand gains > company innovates (but more likely) increases prices (since it’s easier) > alienate old player base but overall increase in money, player base > etc. until new game platforms are exhausted, then the death spiral

[fiery shore]

Hey quick question, why'd reactions get turned off here?

[spark lance]

It has happened before yes but not at this rate. That is because this was a tipping point for a lot of people and are now voicing their frustrations about the item but the game as a whole as well.

@limber ember your comment was so funny I read all TGC lines in a little gremlin voice 😭😭

[errant badge]

Rainbow cape was supposed to be iap? Whaa

[dusky sedge]

Personally, i think that the hair is not exactly worth the iap, if you’re just going to thrown in candles ((which i can personally grind for within 2 days)) and make it as a bundle, its not worth my actual money to buy, and the change of the mask? It’s way too much of a simple design for me to even use igc to buy, no hate to TGC of course, but i just hope that they can take a lil bit more care into how many, many of the players came for the f2p high quality experience, not JUST the cosmetics. People are angry with a good reason i believe

[ashen tusk]

They aren't going to compensate for beta content that is always subject to change no matter how much we don't like certain changes.

Also I don't think mentioning Autism Speaks and TACA are necessary when there's no evidence that this would happen. But like Alex said, dropping by feedback to let tgc know if they ever did plan an April event to steer clear and why you feel that way is best. But it's off topic for here specifically.

I wanna cry react at Tib's comment cause early tgc trying their best with so little money is just

[arctic steppe]

Honestly I feel like only a handful of vets get upset about this stuff. I might be wrong. I really really would like to see more ftp folks be able to get access to stuff that would be otherwise inaccessible to them in the future (hopefully near future?) since if I thought things were gonna be easier/better later, that it's possible others are thinking the same thing too.

[stoic halo]

Hi ~ people in IRAN we can buy nothing❗️❗️❗️❗️~
I'm plying for more than 1 years but i still can't buy seseon or IAP 😭 but why??? Sky have nothing for free players I'm so sad 😭💔

[dire egret]

I agree that a lot of the events are for money, but we can’t ignore events like days of healing and days of nature, iirc proceeds from that events went to irl causes?

[clever pagoda]

Pretty crappy that they took a cosmetic that everyone was excited about and put it in a pricey IAP bundle that a lot younger players can’t get.
Or at least put it in a separate less expensive IAP. Like for $1.99 or something (though it should be more like $.99 like it used to be). I also hate that they took away the seasonal candle bundle options. There used to be a 5 candle pack for like $.99 and it was so nice. 😦

[twin gust]

at this point is just feels like tgc is just putting all relatively good cosmetics as iap items, using the excuse as "cosmetics is not the main point of the game, its friendship" and thats.. actually a big lie. most of the game is just ginding for cosmetics, seasons, ts, etc. and most of the good stuff is worth tons of money; if you dont have money, you're stuck with past season cosmetics after you spend hours grinding for them, and do it all over again. veterans already have the past season cosmetics or event cosmetics, and if all the new stuff keeps coming out as iaps, they have no choice than to buy them for something brand new since they already have the old things

[stable lily]

Tlp flashbacks are happening LOL

The bare minimum when TGC converted the sword pants from IAP to 200 candles worth

It may seem reasonable but guess what? Juggler came!

Pure coincidence indeed 🥳💅

[gentle lily]

The peeking postman came as soon as days of rainbow started, coincidence too I reckon

[somber thistle]

what we should be upset about is how Beta testers (who test gameplay&bugs, for free!!) have been used as test-customers, deciding the price on an items popularity when offered for free. It's a nasty move & not the intention of Beta (not why I play it).

[ancient pike]

Okay thank you, I just wanted to make sure you processed the information in the intended way.

[strange crane]

Hm, Hi all, may I ask something, does android have trouble when log in beta? I updated but i still cant log in my account

[gilded parrot]

📱iOS/Android: Learn about the sign-up process and how to get notified when invites happen in #beta-faq!
Switch: The Switch Beta testing period has ended with Live launch. All future content testing will be conducted on Mobile only.

[spark lance]

I don't agree with all your points but
rainbow - originally charity-focused, except they weren't transparent about their charities in 2021, and then in 2022, only the double flower was a charity item. the rest is for profit

christmas - feast is expensive, sure, but honestly I'm not complaining about it. it just annoys me about that one time that ktjn used 'you guys said days of rainbow was expensive so we're not adding igc items this year' basically, (this was before rainbow trouserd became igc) when feast already costs more than rainbow

fortune is alright with me

valentines? more like days of $20 IAPs

anniversary doesn't really have any IAPs, they did add the tgc guitar alongside it though. funny how our anniversary 'rewards' are just more items to buy with igc and money but there are still people acting like tgc is some generous company while they can't even give compensation out properly lmao

[limber ember]

TGC's 4 years of bad, greedy reputations SHOULD NOT, WILL NOT, ARE NOT GOING TO BE IGNORED After some charities and a collab with a singer

[spark lance]

omg! i just looked up how those look. That would be so awesome.

[patent skiff]

The pants were cool but def not worth 200 candles lol.. i still regret buying them

[subtle juniper]

Juggler: most wanted TS during TLP season
Tgc: fine,we Will do the pants for 200 candles :)
Juggler: yo those pants are flame, I wanna come buy them too,where do I get the candles from thought....?
Tgc: :)))))

[worldly quest]

so what you’re saying is… i can wait for super expensive events to know when the best tses are coming? big brain time

[late sonnet]

wait what was swapped in feast?

[sleek pelican]

Oo it was $10 or $15 originally…

[sweet briar]

I agree with you!! I was so happy now I’m visibly angry that they made it an iap

And @The ÒwÓ Berry they sure are 😭😭 I’m not even surprised I’m like “oh another sky item iap yay😀” I was so happy to see cat hair now I’m upset it’s apart of the bundle we only get 3 things free this Halloween event and that’s not fair 😞

@native stump I understand you a lot, we need to voice out our struggles towards TGC we shouldn’t be silenced or hated on simply bc some ppl can’t afford things and making it harder for players who wants these things as well😞

[boreal jewel]

Ic so rainbow pants and cape was decided as iap too at first, I guess there's still hope that they change the hairs back coz they are ruining the fun.

@spark lance yes I saw, I guess ppl had enough of patience level, coz during the turtle event too they made all the capes as iap items, and before mischief 2021 items too. It's like they are making ppl poor by purpose hahaha. But hope tgc change it by ppl's view onto this. Since they had accepted the rainbow items into igc so there's still hope.

[sly needle]

Could anyone explain what’s happening with the beta cosmetics like the cat mask and else? I’m catching up only now :,))

[rotund reef]

Solution: just make cat hair cost 666 candles! problem solved! players can get f2p AND spend a little if they broke!

[agile hazel]

While yall are still rebelling, can we get a revolution for photosensitivity issues. Thanks

[spark lance]

I think 200 candles from a whopping 15.99 USD was pretty generous, especially considering it was designed straight from the little prince image. 👀 You can prefer it being cheaper but the fact is they made an iap free after blowback.

[native ruin]

TGC please, most people can't buy the cosmetics, and what you did is an abuse, put everything as it was 😓

[novel aspen]

I just feel like the quality of the game has deteriorated for F2P. Best cosmetics are almost always IAP or Pass-locked, in which cases the IAP may never become IGC (see vets complaining and TGC rescinding decision to be IGC) or the F2P having to wait months for the correct TS just to spend exorbitant amounts of candles for the cosmetic they want… and rinse and repeat for every “pretty” cosmetic, while all the while the TS pool gets bigger and bigger and we wait longer and longer and prices go higher

[dusky sedge]

Yes, what they did for these charitable events are admirable, but certainly there’s no need for every player to spend SO MUCH on normal iaps, where they go directly into their gained revenue? If they would’ve offered a lil bit more, like maybe an entire halloween package with many many cosmetics for lets say 13.99, that would’ve made a lil bit more sense. Plus, whenever TGC made changes to IAPS, its usually the cosmetics that WERE IGCs, but got an overwhelmingly positive response, then its changed to being paid with actual money? That to me seemed like they cared about the money more than the game and the players themselves

[orchid nexus]

keep sharing thoughts everyone, but here's an exercise if you feel you've said or read the same thing too many times: ask questions about things that seem contrary to your own feelings. When people get mad, we all have a harder time hearing each other, even when we agree! One thing beta crew has accomplished is sharing a strong voice, but something that always requires work is caring for each other actively

[native stump]

unfortunately :(

[ashen tusk]

Please don't use the term abuse so flippantly

[clever pagoda]

Also what happened to good ultimate gifts? Like the bonfire that actually helped players get through Eden. I know at the beginning it was also mostly hair or mask or cape items, but I really miss FUNCTIONAL items. Like the Atlantis themed season with the water mask and the bonfire. They need to go back to those roots. They could do so much more than just hair and capes. Or at least maybe give those capes some sort of ability. Perhaps grinding for candles wouldn’t seem so much of a chore when we had something like that to look forward to at the end, but that’s just my two cents on the matter.

[dire egret]

it’s a company, every company wants money it’s just how it works…I understand everyone is mad about the mischief IAP changes but I don’t think there’s much we can do about it (slow mode and our reactions are turned off D: )

[rapid reef]

This will never not be relevant.

TGC isn't our friend and will continue to exploit us. Beta stopped being about improving the game and is now all about what they can and can't get away with imo.

[dusky pendant]

i will continue sending feedback and hope cat ear will return 😭😭😭

[cursive tinsel]

@late sonnet @errant badge
I was more pointing to controversy on the price of event items
Rainbow cape was always IGC (I think) but was a huge hike in candle price from any other cape before
So just to point out beta chat blows up like this fairly often on the price and quality of event items IAP or otherwise
TLP was definitely the worst in my memory

(santa hat was IAP one year and if the next intially but to be honest ,old designs should devalue like the rest of the of the market)

[somber thistle]

We play Beta to test gameplay & report bugs. NOT to be a sample of customers to test future profit.

[radiant cipher]

Honestly I never viewed beta as a test server. Only been grateful how ppl would make videos about the content to warn me about the pricing so that I have time to save lmaooo

[ancient pike]

Older items should not cost less because then thatgamecompany will have a whole other set of people breathing down their backs.
The newer items should cost less to balance it all out.

[limber ember]

It's almost like TGC was like taking a revenge on it's playerbase

"if we not getting money then you not getting item"

TS being the random selected or "Oreo" selected is the biggest joke of mankind

@sand rune Compensation? That's not something TGC knows 💀

[spark lance]

I really wished I new how many players are f2p, p2w, moths, or veterans. I feel like the veterans get a lot of say in how items are priced. If I remember correctly, the increase in candle prices was because veterans had a lot of extra candles? And paying players obviously are favored since they are the people paying the bills. But f2p has to push really hard for changes. Chat has to burn and they need to flood the feedback channel for just acknowledgment. Moths are completely left out. And mostly told to save for the next year or the long wait for a possible ts return.

[spark lance]

days of healing was a one-time thing, but sure, it happened at a time where people were really struggling with covid, and it helped with medical stuff

days of nature was charity oriented, but this year, past items are only 50% for charity, the turtle accessory is entirely for charity, and the cape is 100% profit

do you think more people would buy a small turtle that can disappear depending on what you wear over a cape?

[sand rune]

Not really

Compensation exists. And the game knows if you bought the IAP.
And we have an inbox
I mean tgc can send items and such with the inbox, they've tried before in beta, why wouldn't it work in live?

[crude parrot]

speaking of charity did we ever find out what charity dor was 4 this year cause….hey tgc u said u were gonna b transparent abt this 💀

[sharp siren]

it just exist twice

[stable lily]

I did say that it was reasonable for 200 candles worth of an IAP item. It's a good move for them. Though when they say that the TS are random, it is quite suspicious that the leaks that have been happening to media at that time are accurate. Funny thing is that the juggler, the community's long waited TS cost for about 200+ candles

Especially we have to unlock every quest first before purchasing the pants that are most likely NOT to come back.

Sanctuary spirit > Crab call > Juggler > Shell collector

Let's not forget that the android bug happened and the compensation was just the worst LOL

Watch me read every patch, every update, download beta again and write a whole essay as if my life depends on it concerning my issues /hj

[gilded parrot]

📱iOS/Android: Learn about the sign-up process and how to get notified when invites happen in #beta-faq!
Switch: The Switch Beta testing period has ended with Live launch. All future content testing will be conducted on Mobile only.

[subtle juniper]

Unused inbox (yes,we get stuff about seasons and events news, honestly never read them)

[wind locust]

I think we need to mention that some countries cannot even buy anything in game since they are limited‼️
Sky children of light were a F2P friendly game but since last year this is changing slowly and now this game DOESN’T LOOK F2P FRIENDLY ANYMORE‼️

WE NEED MORE F2P ITEMS!

[worldly quest]

Mfw hoyoverse is more generous than tgc… at least hyv gives us comp for server issues

[stoic halo]

I think we need to mention that some countries cannot even buy anything in game since they are limited‼️
Sky children of light were a F2P friendly game but since last year this is changing slowly and now this game DOESN’T LOOK F2P FRIENDLY ANYMORE‼️

WE NEED MORE F2P ITEMS!

[hoary goblet]

What compensation? We had 2 or so compensations so far that they completely messed up

[uneven remnant]

Hi, i buy cat packages yesterday, didn't use candle change the cat hair, after new update, i find i can not buy cat hair at shop, anyone can help me?

[spark lance]

⬆️⬆️ It is also important to note that before we could at least SEE the prices of the cosmetics that were being changed into IAPs. Now they even took that away from us. It's not fair since the price comes out to be really high in the end anyway and this is their way of simply not having to deal with it 🤭

[teal viper]

When I was a moth, I really struggle getting actual cosmetics from TS, the first time I actually got things from them actually when it was a month ago. Which I've been playing for 3-4 months and it took months just to get an item, that I needed to fit in 😪

[smoky crypt]

What’s the slowmode currently fellas I’m curious / oh okay 5 minutes help

[dusky sedge]

It’s not that i don’t understand how companies work, believe me i do, i know all of them take making profits as their main goal, but all im asking is if you’re GOING to up the price, the least you can do is to make the quality and quantity seem worth it, AT LEAST people wouldn’t be so mad because of how much we’re paying for and they seemed very obviously shown no effort to care about players with something that we could’ve done easily in game and things, I’m not angry, I’m just disappointed, because at least you could’ve made it seemed like you care a lil bit

[arctic steppe]

If it helps, I'm a vet that is constantly stuck around 2-4 candles. jdkd I tend to purchase iaps (candles) when I feel like I'm struggling because I can't grind candles like some folks I've seen on this server. I just don't have the time or energy to grind grind grind.

Props to the folks who have the energy to grind btw, you guys are a force of nature.

[elfin delta]

It has been 17 hours

[misty bone]

the cat pack has the hair and cape now, if you brought the cat pack last update (has the mask + cape)... it is not possible to get it now

[native stump]

I hope it never ends

[boreal steppe]

omg I wake up and the chat's still on fire almost 17 hours after the announcement
truly amazing how tgc managed to make so many people upset

[spark lance]

lmao fr, sky discord loves to lash out at genshin and hoyoverse but at the end, hoyo is more generous and makes more reasonable decisions
plus paid content is almost always the same (what i mean, prices are same, occasionally skins for characters that are much cheaper than sky iaps 🤡💀)

[tribal flame]

Why did they put the cat hair with real money? It is true that it will cost 29.99 dollars

[tidal bramble]

I don't blame them for the ddos attack, but those other times this past year the server was down or very unstable for more than 36 hours have made things difficult to play to fullest capacity. I think the fact that bugs and issues that are worrying haven't been fixed has only heightened frustration.

[gleaming bronze]

If there’s a few things I do want a confirmed explanation for is:

1. What led to the decision to switch the cat hair to an iAP when players expressed genuine appraisal for it when it was IGC?

2. Why was it necessary?

3. Was this decision based on our initial enthusiasm for the item, or was it pre-planned?

[dire egret]

I feel the cat hair does feel like an IAP in the first place, and I’m indifferent on whether they change it back or not. I’m just disappointed that they downgraded the cat mask to make it an IGC- if it was the older cat mask I feel the f2p players would still have something nice to look forward to

[somber thistle]

I mean inflation is everwhere. They increase prices bc literally every company does; they can get away with it. Apparently enough people still buy stuff. || now turns this anger into power! strike strike || 🌹

[limber ember]

***✨The more TGC gives silent treatment, the more we should bounce ✨

Keep the complains going, Beta Testers, I love you all with my heart, continue doing this, save the Innocent Live People and save yourselves***

[iron elbow]

really like the consistent several people are typing throughout the whole thing, you guys keep it up /g

[polar oasis]

I was happy because the cat hair was going to cost candles🥲
But noww💀💀

[sleek pelican]

There’s no price shown for IAP in beta now. But we can share our opinion in #beta-feedback about item pricings

[radiant cipher]

Dear tgc….I just wanna talk

[orchid nexus]

I hope you don't mind if I reply and reframe your comments: TGC isn't a friend to anyone because it's a business! The people at TGC can be though, and I can vouch for many of them personally! The direction that a business takes should not be confused with intent to harm customers, and should not be confused with the intentions of the people who work there.

No business deserves unwavering loyalty, that's the nature of business. And the most direct way to voice opinions when it comes to business is through your decisions in how you spend your money.

This is the tricky part though: separating the people from the business and treating them respectfully is still a better way to interface with the staff when we want opinions heard.

[ashen tusk]

It was apparently already planned beforehand, Ktjn said they tend to go back and forth on many things and this was one of them

My biggest concern is I'm dumb and will still want the cat hair even as IAP, how do I shut off that fomo

[modern geyser]

why is nobody talking about how they changed the cat mask to an ant mask

[spark lance]

it's going to be changed, dw

[subtle juniper]

HAHHAHAHAA ANT MASK 😂

[uneven remnant]

Thank you thank you thank you, i guess i have no choice but wait for next year feel sad , but i am fine, thanks for telling me

[spark lance]

I don’t blame for ddos but I do blame for the 3 days it took them to acknowledge the issue. They might have not realized it at first but I still expect a casual “hey there are server issues we are investigating” in the known issue news so we know they are aware.

[undone kelp]

Especially since TCG is capable of making a well modelled mask for a cheap candle price for events... (looking at the ox mask...) I hope at least an update will change it back to the old mask, if they do decide to change something 🙏.

[spark lance]

It is in a bundle so we don't know for sure but most likely yes.

To answer your third question @gleaming bronze
One dev said today that it was preplanned from a week ago but that wouldn't make sense since just yesterday another dev themselves said in patch notes that the hair is being planned to be in game currency. It seems to me that they saw a cash grab opportunity and took it, now when getting backlash, backtracking with a half explanation of "oh no it was planned" when everything points to it not being planned.

[worldly quest]

both are greedy tbf but at this point it’s like choosing between your cat barfing on the floor and giving you three bucks or barfing and giving you nothing, and I’d choose the money every time

[stoic halo]

After 2 years playing GOOD BYE SKY and HELLO GANSHIN ✋️😊
WE CAN BUY noting in IRAN (County limit) and SKY HAVE NOTINGJ FOR FREE Plyers 💔

[rapid reef]

Sorry but you are not seeing the point. I'd appreciate it if you would not reply to me and just send your message withoutdirecting it at me.

You're defending a buisiness that boldly claim to care for their player and want to spread kindness and friendship. But TGC is not our friend and a lot of people are being mistreated by TGC's predatory marketing.

I'll delete this reply once you've deleted yours and resent your comment without it being directed at me.

[dusky sedge]

Yea i agree with that completely, there’s no need to downgrade the quality/change into another simple design just because you’re making it into a IGC, if you’re going to do that you might as well not make it in the first place, cuz im sure less players would want to purchase that even, plus im sure TGC can make cool IGC masks (Ox masks, tiger masks, etc.), there’s not much of an excuse there

[spark walrus]

was there a recent currency glitch like what happened with abyss? im seeing footage of people with over a thousand seasonal candles

[misty bone]

just keep your eyes on this chat again, it might change back to candles only or might not...

[tidal bramble]

As far as I'm aware, they didn't say anything until it was widespread. The things is that the other sever issues this year made people unable to complete dailies, and unable to candle run for a ts. It was frustrating they didn't offer anything to those who lost valuable time and candles.

[somber thistle]

3. If they say, "based on enthusiasm" it would make them look like awful people, "It was pre-planned" less so. That should answer your question.

[queen horizon]

Give me back my cat hair. I was so excited because they would be with candles

[dire egret]

I feel the ideal thing to do would be to change cat hair back to an IGC, revert the mask and keep it IGC, and then if you wanted to complete the cat collection they could add the cat prop and a cat outfit (black suit with a tail or smthn) instead in the bundle with the cape

[orchid nexus]

that last question is important: what's a tipping point for different people between buying and not buying something? I was shocked at some of the IAP prices in the past, and one thing I've thought to myself is: maybe part of the reason for higher prices is specifically to get past that point and not entice players who can't afford it. I think that won't resonate with most people, but it's something I still wonder about

[tribal flame]

No, but that rumor is going around and if it is true, I have to say that it is abusive.

[gleaming bronze]

If that is the case, then I have another question;

Why was it changed after a majority of players expressed great interest in it?

[grim idol]

My opinion is that if we never talk about this topic, TGC may never change the prices or items and seems like everyone agrees with this change, but NO! We are not...or at least many of us don't agree with this change. that's why such a discussion in beta is necessary so that all people can listen to each other's opinions and benefit from the changes and with various feedbacks and they can make the game better for everyone and everyone will be satisfied.
But talking to each other and TGC like being rude to each other or attacking each other's personal feelings and ideas will not improve anything.

I also agree that the prices of items are very high and many people cannot even buy any IAPs.
If everyone is supposed to be equal in this game, then an item should not cause a difference between this and that. "That person has many good items but i don't"
on the other hand, we cannot say that TGC should not include everything in in-game purchases. They have their own life so they need to earn money...it depends on you to buy or no.
BUT the fact that the previous version of the cat mask which was really beautiful and was an IAP; but now it is as an IGC and in addition the whole mask has changed to a really ugly (sorry) mask that 44 candles are required to get it... that really bothers me.

And about the cat hair... When everyone liked it, it became an IAP...
Tbh, most of the lovely and wanted items are in IAP and are very expensive compared to how much they are worth in a game.
I really want TGC to lower the prices or AT LEAST return the cat hair back to IGC and return the previous version of the cat mask!
I'm sure that TGC hearing us!
And thank you for understanding!
That was my opinion! And sorry if i said something bad!

And sorry for the long story 💀

[spark lance]

Yeah I’ve heard this big conspiracy, lol it just seems like something people like to say when they’re mad a tgc. The traveling spirits were chosen from the prop they were associated with in days of summer. Season of prince was happening at the same time, so the candles became really valuable for a while.

I wish people would be honest: they are upset that a cute cat hair they were looking forward to now may cost money. Yeah that sucks, I feel that. I want it to change. But it is just me wanting a cute cat hair and nothing more.

But all the accusing, and bringing up everything else they don’t like about sky to me just seems like frustration rooted in the simple idea that they can’t get what they want right now. Big picture is that, this is a beta build and things have changed in the past.

If it changes, great if not then make a decision. Either keep playing the game and accept that this hair will pass, buy it and enjoy what you wanted, or leave disappointed feedback and walk away from it. These actions is what makes game companies listen.

I 100% relate with a want for something gripping you, but play this game long enough and you’ll realize that there is always another cosmetic down they road everyone will love, and you’ll eventually stop wearing your favorites.

[sand rune]

Hrn, true...
Still I dunno they can cut the candles or anything else attached to the pack but just theoritically, if they wanted, they can send back maybe some candles through inbox to players that already bought the IAP they decreased the price of.

Man they really left us not even a millimetre

Honestly at this point I don't think the mods or devs can do anything to quell this outburst until they prove otherwise otherwise ngl
Still I know people can go a bit too far, but...

Sigh. I wish they were more forthcoming of the problems. It would've made all of us less agitated if there was solid affirmation and acknowledgement but now it's just... Distrust

[sleek pelican]

Well, can let them know how much you think it’s worth. No harm telling devs in feedback

[orchid nexus]

I didn't mean to provoke an argument, I mostly agree with what you're saying, but am adding a defense of the people not the business or the business decisions. I understand why that's not easy to accept though

[spark lance]

Tick-a-Tock, on the clock, im sorry to say this but players are quitting sky slowly

[spark lance]

Wait you changed my opinion. I was thinking they honestly mess up because their communication skill is so poor. But a decision was made a whole week ago and they still aren’t able to inform everyone in their team about it? Not the players but could not communicate in their team for a whole week? Ok I do not believe it sound like they lie to us on purpose

[subtle juniper]

Yes,we are angry at the hair.........and the other stuff and decisions tgc has been making that we kept quiet.

Also Justice for the Cat mask.

[edgy pendant]

Personally I think if TGC moved iap’s to somewhere around $5 - $10 a lot more players would happily spend money, it’s a lot more reasonable for cosmetics and isn’t as bad as $20 for one or two things.

[limber ember]

26 August 2022, It's the same day last year 2021 where we complained about TGC not fixing the critical, game-breaking bugs for Android, Black Screen of Dream Season

Years later and TGC still did not acknowledge the concept of acting fast for incidents and the key of listening to the playerbase,

So arrogant, TGC

[spark lance]

That is an easy one that I answered in my previous comment as well.

Money. That is literally it. They put the item in the game for free, said it was planning to stay that way, later saw how much love it got and pulled it out. Not only putting it behind a paywall, they put it in a BUNDLE, meaning it'll be even more expensive. Even tho people just want the hair.
There is no other reason than just, like I said, they saw a quick cash grab and took it.

@spark lance you can read this as well. Im glad u see it

[ashen tusk]

It's also entirely possible they didn't communicate amongst themselves before the patch notes went up, it's been known to happen before (elder masks lol), but whether that's the case here or the company saw an opportunity to make more money we can only go on what they tell us and make our own decisions from then on.

@orchid nexus I said I wasn't going to buy the roast kit because it's an overpriced stick and I could go out and buy like 20 bags of actual marshmallows irl but then I impulse bought it anyways because I realised how cute it would be in my sharespace. This is entirely my own fault, but I also still stand firm that they overpriced it by adding the candles and it could have been cheaper without them. I know that's part and parcel of businesses, they will always aim to make the best profit and cat hair will likely be hugely profitable for them, but I think personally I need to hold myself accountable more often when buying IAPs because it only encourages a business to continue to price highly. It's interesting to reflect on in a hindsight way I studied business and marketing for a few years so I'm not entirely naive in the sense tgc want to make money and I am simply another statistic in their consumer base, but I still care about sky and the individuals behind it and wish the community could benefit at the end of all of this.

[jade arrow]

Right. It doesn't resonate with me. I just like cosmetics that I know would fit my character(s). I'm very frugal so monetary tipping point isn't applicable to me. That being said, that's an interesting . . . strategy, I don't know how to feel about it though.

[orchid nexus]

remember to take speculation as such. it's easy to accept arguments of ill intent, but it's also easy to accept that a mistake was made, even if you still don't like the outcome

[plucky venture]

Indeed. Better return the cat mask as an iap with the previous quality. And for candles, make a stupid cat collar with a bell. Why is it necessary to degrade the quality of an item after making it igc

[somber thistle]

Oh come on, with all due respect, but that is a far too generous reading of the situation. TGC increases prices dramatically, to protect poor people from being hurt/making bad decisions ?? I'm exagerating but that's whats implied here.

Companies want profit. Simple as that. You've said it yourself, they're not anyones friend- lets not ascribe any emphatic reasoning behind their market decisions.

[spark lance]

it's not about the hair, it was simply a breaking point for many about how often tgc isn't transparent with the playerbase (sometimes even just flat-out gaslighting) and how often they fail to acknowledge feedback. ofc, people don't expect everything to go the way they want, but nothing? nothing at all to show they're listening unless people set the beta chats on fire?

people are upset about the cat hair fs, but some people are upset about the possibility that it's only iap bc people loved it sm, some people are upset over similar events, having pent up frustruation

[native stump]

Yes, they did it on purpose. It's absurd to believe this lie

[rapid reef]

That is the thing. I'm not calling out the people persinally. I am calling out a buisiness's actions and attitude.

I say TGC because it's not about the people individually but the entirity of it. Which is where my point is that you are not seeing the point. I'm glad you agree, but when people speak of TGC, they are not speaking about individuals but as the buisiness itself. You said to differientiate the buisiness from it's people but please do understand if I was talking about individuals I would have clarified that I'm talking about the staffs. Wording is important and I do not word thing in a general fashion for it to be deconstructed as targeted.

[gleaming bronze]

Then that means our opinions can/will always be trumped by money. :v

[dire egret]

I wasn’t here for days of rainbow because I took a massive break but didn’t something similar to this happen and TGC changed an IAP to an IGC? maybe we can do it again with enough feedback

[orchid nexus]

I'm sorry that my take on your comments made it sound like I was contradicting you or implying that you attacked anyone personally. I don't think you were doing that. I'm addressing everyone, and was trying to use an example of something I agreed with in principle to address a different thing I see in chat. None of us are enemies here, and even agreeing with each other can be complicated!

[strong sentinel]

Like all things in our world which is tumbling down faster and faster

[north patrol]

I have a collector’s mindset on the games I play, be it Identity V costumes of Sky IAPs — that’s just how I am as a player, but I won’t rain on other people’s parades of course. Often, I usually set aside a certain portion of my money for the purchases, so I don’t purchase items if I know I won’t commit to the game in the long run!

However, just because I’ll collect IAPs, doesn’t mean I won’t call out behaviours that cross boundaries! I still think this move was very uncalled for.

[spark lance]

That could very well have happened as well yes, but that's on them. They made the mistake of miscommunication and giving out different info, AFTER the backlash started. Its an explanation not an excuse. I hope you understand what I mean.
Even if it wasn't, it still looks that way, and IS that way since even if it WAS planned, they saw how much we loved it and still put it for money.

What I'm trying to say is that it's on them that they look bad now, I'm not giving out misinfo it's just my opinion of what literally happened.

[elder musk]

Regarding iap items: I think each cosmetic should be a standalone iap. There should also be 2 options for each: with or without candles. Those who want candles will buy that option, those who don’t need, won’t. As for swapping the cosmetics: I think the cat hair should move back to igc.

[neon belfry]

yes!!! 🙌 manifesting that they will change it back 😭🫶

[rotund reef]

I’ve never seen a hair item as IAP before so it’s a weird decision. I only remember there being witch hat hair, fortune hair, and other hat-related hairs like the fish hat. I really think some changes should be made if cat hair is going to be IAP like make the cat ears stand out more or make it silky/shiny or more fluffy bc there is no fluff inside the cat ears and it makes it look like it’s not part of the hair. 🤔

[spark lance]

Haha it is convenient that all the other stuff is only ever brought up when a nice looking item is expensive. It is hard to believe people actually care for anything else when it’s only mentioned to push tgc into making that pretty item affordable again.

[spark lance]

then you're probably reading like half the messages lmao

[orchid nexus]

it's important not to try to take anyone down for having an opinion. There are as many sides to this debate as there are people in it

[chrome ivy]

What's the current price placeorder for IAP's on beta？

[karmic dew]

19.99.

[cursive tinsel]

IAPs are only tempting to me if

1. it is a unique item in my eyes that won't ever come back to a very long time like scarf or voice 'instrument'. A FOMO but you really have to like it.
2. I want to tip the artist for truly stunning designs, like for a good AP where you love all the designs
3. I want to support the charity

The price point would have to come down a lot to 2-5$ just do it cos it's cute

[spark lance]

I mean I kind of just wanted to trust that their communication is bad because I have seen it many time before. But bad communication from dev to player is very different from bad communication from dev to dev. I guess since they are coworkers I expect them to have good communication between each other. A decision made a week ago didn’t reach a coworker masking post to tell players what happening? Just seems unlikely. It seems more like they change their mind.

[spark lance]

*proceeds to not bring it back like they did with days of rainbow and almost did with days of summer lights*

I shouldn't give them ideas 😭😭

[fluid rain]

How's it going here beta

[ashen tusk]

Ktjn did ask for our opinions on how this situation differs because back then the pants were IAP and changed to IGC, I think it was pretty obvious why that situation happened because they were reskins, rainbow had no new igc at that time, and to not offer any way for queer people to express themselves without having to pay money during a pride event seemed pretty distasteful. I think in that regard it was probably easier for them as a company to say "shoot, if we stick with IAP this is gonna affect us badly" and that's potentially why they took the opportunity to switch to igc for the pants. But on the back of that they removed pricing previews for us which kinda makes it seem like they don't want us to have the foresight to question their profit intentions in the future. They've said this was only done to encourage us to focus on feedback on the actual items rather than price alone, but I'm still somewhat skeptical about this, apologies if that upsets any lurking devs, it just seems too coincidental imho.

This issue whether it be a case of preplanned poorly executed communication on an item that was meant to be IAP or they saw an opportunity to make a profit, I guess we have to make our own conclusions based on how we feel, the info we're given, and the future actions. But I think it's probably less likely they'll revert to igc on this one.

[plucky venture]

I have iap spiderweb Halloween hair. Not to mention the annual Halloween hats. And the reason for this decision is quite clear. A much bigger question is the decision to make the mask worse after it became igc

[spark lance]

That is literally the point tho only the pretty items are iap. FTP player get the low quality leftovers. That is a problem when there's NINE nice IAPS coming and a downgraded mask for free.

And people have been point out other things for ages it's just that it's NOW that people are voicing their options BECAUSE the cat hair was a tipping point.

[cedar yew]

Tbh I doubt the decision was made a week ago, because... There's no reason to do such things? It really feels like they just changed it because everyone loves it which, well, they can do that, but the whole move with downgraded 'cat' mask just kinda shows you can't have nice things as f2p
I'm not a f2p player, yet I can't help but cringe a bit

@native stump exactly.

[dusky sedge]

I agree too!! I also collect iaps if im committed to a game, this time changing the hair when it was originally intended for igc into an iap, then downgrade the quality of the cat mask when its being switched to igc, is really uncalled for and a bit of a dirty move tbh, if they WERE intended for iap, then i wouldn’t have cared as much since i already knew what they were aiming for, but the sudden change is literally not necessary ((and it’s not like any player is complaining, the original way is totally ok and everyone was fine by))

[abstract fable]

Reminder to leave a review in your chosen play stores. Help other people not get fooled into this cash grab

[wary star]

repost

make the cat hair an iap? fine.

how about this? cosmetic iaps should be no more then 5 dollars. mask and necklace? 99 cents. hair? 3 dollars. cape? 5 dollars. fun prop? 6 dollars. useful prop? 10. charity items? less then 21 dollars.

more items + less cash is better then less items + more cash.

[native stump]

They will change Cat mask look. But changing the cat mask again doesn't change this disrespect.

[eager harness]

Everyone is still going on about this?

[narrow mason]

Yeah pretty much, ever since last night.

[scarlet radish]

u guys are offering me free english lessons ty

[gleaming bronze]

This game isn’t about accessories—that we know—but it certainly is one of the biggest features this game has going for it.
I’m not all that annoyed about cat hair being placed behind a paywall. In fact, I’m more annoyed about it being placed behind one after we praised it, and it was swapped with a less detailed accessory.
Something about that stings, a lot.

[orchid nexus]

I still want to repeat that I think it's unfair to call people I know and trust "liars" or weave a conspiracy web. The idea of miscommunication is not hard to imagine, and it's not going to stop anyone from being angry about the change. I expect the only reason for ktjn mentioning the problem was because conspiracy theories will only lead to truly abusive behavior

[north locust]

How much is the cat bundle gonna be?? If it’s more than $15 I’m gonna cry

[thorn terrace]

Yep.
Even because if the items are more cheap, more people will buy them.
Maybe sometimes an expensive item, because it has a greater value (like a collaboration item)

They could probably do a lot of money, but they prefer to have expensive items where just a few of the people will buy them lol

[spark lance]

Ye ap is 10 dollars and iap is only one item but 25 dollars around

[edgy pendant]

I completely agree with this, I wouldn't mind masks being the same as hair depending on how much work was put into them.
It would mean more people would spend more money on the game so I don't see why they wouldn't

[rotund reef]

You don’t think the cat hair should be more unique if it’s going to be IAP? I suppose it’s already one of a kind so there’s that. I agree with the cat mask! That was the biggest concern in my opinion… it also revealed that tgc is purposefully making f2p cosmetics less attractive. 🙈

[somber thistle]

Agree. I only buy .99-2.99 iaps occasionally. Considering the age demographic of sky (guessing here), i feel they'd make more profit with low cost items than packages.

[spark lance]

These opinions everyone is voicing now are the same ones it’s always been for every other iap thing, so I guess I’m just jaded to what feels like convenient passion for the game’s overall health to pressure tgc into giving people the pretty item they want.

No one realizes that as the game gets older there will be more cosmetics per event. If there are too many igc items, there are people saying the total candle count needed to “get them all” is too much. While if it’s moved to iap then now the money needed is too much.

It’s a dilemma that comes with the games age that needs a lot of brainstorming to solve. It’s not always as black and white as people believe

[placid iron]

phew the text walls are partially gone now

[leaden oak]

Tgc should once consider giving out igc cosmetics that looks high quality instead of iap. They even nerfed cat mask because it's free. They are earning millions tho

[dawn oxide]

Lol the marshmellow stick is 20$ then the cat bundle will probably go higher than that

[chrome ivy]

Well, other IAPS never tempting me, Except the Kizuna AI one.
@orchid nexus Conspiracy Theories hurts everyone.

[orchid badge]

the cat hair clearly should have been a free item, the mask+cape pack is designed to be sold together, no excuses for this change, this was pure greed, just because they knew we liked it, wanted to take advantage of this.

[spark lance]

Wait- didn’t you say you where going to bed

[whole agate]

I agree, I think they'd make more money selling cheaper items because more people would buy them instead of an elite few

[north patrol]

I mean. . . that literally is the issue though. Why are all the good looking items locked behind APs and IAPs? This game advocates for equality and for everyone to feel included, and yet the items that everyone wants are locked behind paywalls.

Why do players who don’t pay have to fight to get nice looking items? I don’t think this is something that should even be happening in the first place.

[cursive tinsel]

Each to their own, I suppose the question was what would make you be tempted...and if that's nothing cos you like FTP then that's the feedback

[blissful adder]

Man, i feel like there's a 'F2P should just be grateful for what they get' sentiment in some of these arguments FOR iaps-- but damn, f2p deserve to have special/HQ items too now and then ((esp when there are SO MANY iaps already))

[ashen tusk]

Reminder that just because you've moved on doesn't mean everybody else has to. A lot of people are still unhappy and it's barely been a day since the changes happened.

I think it's less about creating conspiracy theories to cause issues and more about a lack of trust from a breakdown between the community and the company for most of us.

Also I spend most of my time in cozy, why am I still struggling with cooldown I'm used to it being chill and slow

[dusky sedge]

Yea exactly, that would’ve simply just alienate those who can’t afford very expensive iaps, and this isnt very true to the game’s original intention of meeting new friends when all everyone cares about is getting paid to be the cool kid in game. Again, no hate, but i just find this contradictory to the original goal, plus, like @wary star said, you can totally put down the price a lil bit if you are going for iaps, it still profits you by a great deal

[shy bronze]

This is exactly how it should be 👏

[spark lance]

You know these people, thats fine. But we don't, TGC as a whole is a company to us. And like I said in the past it's on them that they made the mistake. While I do agree it's not fair to make conspiracy theories it is also not unfair to say that yes, it did look sketchy. Reminder that stuff like this happened before, this is not a new thing. People wouldn't be this upset if it was.

[spark lance]

Literally how it should be. It's a game, and for those prices you could buy a fairly good quality outfit ilr.
The earth cape was "cheap" (again, relave to TGC) and now poor TGC can't reduce prices below 14.99$ unless it's a necklace for 3$. I know inflation is a thing but with the money they make plus the fact that prices were this high a year ago with TLP? (may remind y'all it felt like they were testing the waters with us, almost negotiating prices as if the normal thing wasn't to have max. 5-10$ cosmetics)

I mean- c'mon, a full season +30 candles is 10$, how is a single item double that price?

[eager harness]

TGC is not disrespecting anyone, but some of you sure are disrespecting them and I think it’s uncalled for. And conspiracy theories? There are none. They are being made up as the comments keep going.

[hasty vessel]

Yeah that’s a great business plan 🥴

Y’all really don’t know the trajectory that sky is on, it’s going to move over to playstation soon, that means, more servers, more staff, more support. More resources required. Who pays for those resources? Us, and gladly so. The hair is a popular item so yes it’s a great business plan to get more people interested in paying for it… start voting with your money, if you don’t like the price hikes QUIT paying for them.

[spark lance]

so what happened again?

[elder musk]

btw when I saw the cat hair the first time, I wanted to do do Wolverine cosplay 😂

[tropic bough]

Maybe they should give the option to buy something with either candles or real currency since some people do not have the money in real life and others don’t want to grind hours for candles

[limber ember]

26 August 2022, It's the same day last year 2021 where we complained about TGC not fixing the critical, game-breaking bugs for Android, Black Screen of Dream Season

Years later and TGC still did not acknowledge the concept of acting fast for incidents and the key of listening to the playerbase,

So arrogant, TGC

[copper pagoda]

yea its not just about the hair
thats been said multiple times
its about how the content in the games updates are becoming more hostile to those who dont spend money / dont grind
its about how even people who do spend money feel like turning away because of the rising prices of their cosmetics dont match the value most would put on it
many f2p stuff like the ts firepit have an actual USE like recharging
and there are iaps that continue to have uses like in how their proceeds go to charities or have ingame mechanics like chatting

stuff like the 90 candle tent and the marshmallow campfire are purely aesthetic, and both cost a lot either in time or money as mentioned before.
and sure: "dont like it dont buy it", but there arent many good cosmetics recently as is, especially f2p. thats the point!

the point is we want the game to be more accessible to people who cant put their everything into the game
because they deserve to have fun like we do?

we dont need to make everything igc, but making the game more friendly for newcomers may make the playerbase more active

like... why should "good" cosmetics be a luxury? honest question

[undone haven]

I play this game for a year and the first week when I started and spend money on it, i thought "Thats hella expensive", I have not changed my mind...

[cedar yew]

Sorry but you really can't blame people making up conspiracy cause... It is indeed shady. It's weird. It's almost like, you know...
Not to mention that the downgraded mask, further proving the theory tbh.

It's not the first time TGC is sketchy. Change of charity of rainbow event, uninformed afk penalty(?) And so much more.
TGC has a history, you simply cannot help but wonder...

[orchid nexus]

I asked the question about a tipping point for expensive IAPs but didn't answer for myself. here's what I think: the AP is totally worth the price. The founders pack was totally worth the price to me. Bundles are sometimes tempting for me, but mostly if it's over 15 USD, that rules out impulse purchase for me. 5 USD and less is really too easy for IAP to become impulsive for me. Thanks everyone for other thoughtful answers!

[wary star]

also, this applies to existing items aswell

how to compensate? give a lot of candles/season candles and hearts/ascended candles, and let the player choose. aka, 2x the item's price in candle shop candles, then rounded to the highest number so its even

ex. if the 15 candle pack was 16 candles, you'd times it by 2 (32), then round it to the highest number it can go to (40). if it's close to a multiple of 50, change it to that 50. so, our parenthesed' number goes from 32 to 50.

this can obviously stop at the rounding part, but i still get my point across.

[spark lance]

Traveling spirits make every AP item with exception of ults free, but the answer seems simple, it’s to incentivize people to purchase. This is not evil or predatory, or whatever. What is worth complaining is how overpriced it is

[echo ermine]

Oh, slightly off topic but where did the emote reactions go (・・？)

[narrow mason]

Awkwardly walks away having bought the pet jellyfish impulsively

[ionic cobalt]

why is cat hair suddenly iap 😭

[orchid nexus]

Well look at it this way: you're still allowed to be upset, because the decision can be made before backlash for the same reason: design looked like something that would be desirable and would sell well!

[ancient saddle]

Capitalism

[chrome ivy]

Everytime TGC makes a new season with "unfair IAP's":
Personally, I still don't know the exact number until I can Beta since it's broken for me

[spark lance]

May I ask why it’s not fair? Like we have different opinions about tgc. Some trust them, some of us don’t. Why is it unfair to express that we don’t trust them? Saying liar can be harsh but I don’t think there is a better word to help express what the ones who don’t trust felt about the comment.

(I agree the conspiracy part I think but not the liar part basically)

[native stump]

I'm sorry, but what they're saying is hard to believe. It's obvious that this was done on purpose. The cat mask and the cat cape go very well with each other. They also said that cat hair is planned as IGC.

[zinc gate]

I agree. To make IAP items at least lots of candles is still good enough for me.

[still socket]

In my opinion, they can have the cat hair for igc and also the cat ears " accessory " for iap. That will be better

[leaden cradle]

what bugs me a lot is that most of the cool or fun halloween themed items are always iap. if they continuously keep adding ‘new’ iap, at least they should consider turning the older iap (witch hat or horn) into igc item imho. but then again some players would still be angry about even that smh

[remote crow]

TGC I think it is fair and necessary that they change the cat hairstyle and the mask to its old design the new one is horrible is it a cat or an angry child? honestly free hair was better

[ashen tusk]

If they laid off the candle packaging items from time to time then the much more expensive IAPs would be like a nice treat at times to get a couple of cosmetics or a really cool item and I wouldn't feel like it's constantly about the money, but again, business is about profit however you slice it.

[somber thistle]

The high prices just divide people - like in the real world. The super rich & an increasingly alienated working class. Yes thats life, but be better than that TGC. Offer items with similar quality for a variety of prices, $1 - 30$. Be inclusive.

Also note that $10 in the US does not have the same purchasing-value in eg Brazil. It could be the price of 1 bread in a country and 1 week of rent in another.

[tribal flame]

I can understand that they put it as an IAP article but put it together with a package so that it is so expensive. Where are we Latinos? at least they put the IAP coko cat hair apart and not so expensive

[blissful adder]

This would be nice, especially bc cat ear accessory would be much more flexible and valued

[cerulean gazelle]

That would just intice players to wait until the items they want turn free instead of buying IAPs, I don't think it is a good idea in general

[thorn terrace]

How dare you.
The long fluffy hair and the cool leaf cape are free items and are very cool

//but yep, some cool halloween items are still iap and it sucks

[spark lance]

Witch hat could've been an accessory. But it don't think it will happen ::')

@cedar yew exactly they did a shady thing now TGC, uncluding some people are upset because we are saying.. hey that's weird.

@orchid nexus this is what I already said, that it's still a shady thing to do even if it was planned! Also I know it's your own opinion and experience I'm just throwing this out there that even 5$ is a lot for some people and cannot be "too easy". Just saying in general, I know you meant for yourself.

[dusky sedge]

That has been said and complained many times, but the “candle grind to win” culture is still here in game, which is unfortunate cuz many people just come on to only grind candles, because all of the unexpected high candle prices for just one cosmetic, but yet they didnt really tone the price down

[wispy glen]

I came here only to see the new update announcement hoping for the cat hair to become free again but nope

[magic jetty]

10$ in brazil is around the price you'd spend at groceries, mostly why i never pay up sky stuff evern though i want it 🐺

[still mauve]

Tgc needs to understand that not everyone's born rich or has money if this keep going the game will slowly die itself

[abstract fable]

Guys, you don't get it? You need to give your money to tgc. Their expensive Cali mansions don't pay themselves, and they need to fill the office coffee machines so that the overworked underpaid employees don't need to go home
If you think it's over a single cosmetic then you started playing yesterday
The truth is people like the aesthetic, the objectives, the idea, the interaction style, their sky friends, and are genuinely stressed that they've really lost this all so fast and so bad because tgc's objective since 2020 is on milking money, and not on building the player base. I've never seen a game with so many love-to-hate heart changes from its players. It's like a toxic relationship, people leave from it mad and hate it
I don't care about cosmetics or money, I just want to play and enjoy time with strangers and my friends

[wild lintel]

The hair is still IAP? Then that means tgc don’t listen to those beta testers

[next moat]

They won't extract our opinion, because it's not good for them, don't waste time.
No fixing bugs and doing all these useless tricks.
I'm disappointed at all from before to now.
GAME OVER TGC (For me)

[cursive tinsel]

And this is why prices need to be country specific not just USD converted to local currency
If they do it for music and streaming why not games like sky...
Can domeone more in on game costing explain?

[shy bronze]

That's something they absolutely cannot do unfortunately, people who previously bought the items for a higher price would go berserk, unless there's a refund and they can buy it at the lower price again? Idk if tgc can refund that many people that quickly.

It depresses me that the price of super expensive items will probably never change (the older ones at least).

[silent anchor]

The only people waiting two years for a hat are people who never have or will never have the money to spend on iap’s

[cedar yew]

This.
The mask and Cape actually match, and they literally said the hair was igc...

You know I don't like to assume normally but it's kinda obvious...

Plus, here around my area the iaps are EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE. I bought lot of them yeah, but it physically hurts

[orchid nexus]

I accept that my opinion of individual staff members won't be universally approved. But I also think that when anyone is making speculation that is a direct insult and that also can and has lead to abusive and even violent language, a limit needs to be set. Speculation can't be ended, but try to take this advice as it's meant: for the good of the community, not for the protection of the company

[spark lance]

It’s similar with any “freemium” game is that they profit off your time spent instead. I also don’t like the grind yet games like these with no real end in sight, you will eventually start to see the cogs turning behind the curtain and fall out of love..it’s why I generally like more regular priced games that have immediate value and a proper end

[hasty vessel]

Incorrect, this argument has been consistent for the past three years and tgc are doing pretty wepl for themselves, if you can’t pay for iaps all the time accept the loss and move on, these are seasonal items they will return in a years time, im sure there are players out there who actually save up for events like this. They’ll return in the next year

[limber ember]

iap prices in Vietnam is going for million each, have they not consider other players in other countries? isn't this game about connect with world?

[ancient saddle]

The table and cape from last year were incredible, we got a new zone, the way you bought past cosmetics was cool, and this year we get barely any new content plus for igc we're getting an overpriced mask? This is just sad, in a game where there's no main gameplay mechanics besides in game timed events and farming candles getting this for days of mischief, one of the most loved events, is just sad.

[spark lance]

Ah yes, our standard TGC defender. Even put up a superman pfp 👏👏/hj

No but in all seriousness, it's not all that conspiracious (I'm pretty sure i made up that word 😭😭). Sure, tgc might read feedback, but they act as if they didn't, they act as if we were their ATMs, they act as if they plan these alleged things we say.
We might say "they don't listen to our feedback, they planned the juggler so we bought candles, they deliberately put this item in the premium shop bc we liked it" because it is true for us, it's what they are showing. If this is false information and for some twisted reason a VERY very huge misunderstanding, show us. They should show us that they care about our feedback. They should stop lying out of their teeth so much when interacting here, how come the devs that come to "calm us down" contradict and lie to us every other sentence (even the truth will eventually be contradicted the next month, week or day)?

[river socket]

How is the warzone doin fellas

[spark lance]

But isn’t that what already happens with AP and the ts system so for. Why wouldn’t it work for events?

[leaden cradle]

i didn’t say they weren’t but more fun stuff are behind pay wall.
you say you like chocolate and people interpreting like you said you hated vanilla/ lh

and those items could cost 100+ candles to be fair-ish price for those that bought with money

and yes it’d be kinda like the ts system.

[ashen tusk]

Ayo I forgot to do dailies on live Gonna head off for a bit, but take care everyone and please remember to be respectful even if you're upset. Be good beans

[native stump]

In my country everything is 19 times more expensive (22 with taxes)
10$ IAP = 220$ IAP
and it's almost impossible to make money here 💀

[stark quest]

damn I went to sleep and this is still going on

[errant walrus]

I just want the cat's hair for normal candles

[tribal flame]

It's actually in IAP And it's not bad, the bad thing is how expensive it is.

[idle creek]

Okay but like at least they should make the price "currency friendly". A $15 cosmetic or $20 cosmetic is literally enough for a one to two week meal for one person in my country.

And to also bring up about the more items less money, I think tgc would make more money if they made things cheaper. Like people would pay $15 for 3-4 items, rather than paying $15 for ONE item

I don't know how it works, but maybe if possible there should be a "localised currency" option so it's somewhat affordable.

[magic jetty]

just gonna take a quick moment to remind you guys we're only innthe second day of beta testing for mischief (until it comes to live it's a long ride)
changes don't happen in a instant..

true.. @kindred prawn

[spark lance]

agreed. a marshmallow pack is enough for a month worth of bubble tea in taiwan. Just to put it into perspective. thats a MONTH of bubble tea.

[dusky sedge]

Yea I agree with that completely, i dont see a change in the end even with what they have done to try and actively change the situation, because it is what it is

[spark lance]

We don't know if it's going to be expensive until it gets to live version, I really hope it's not going to be 15$+

[faint zealot]

IDK abt others but I think it’s fair enough to put cat hair into IAP item… the only problem to me is it must brought as a package with the cape

[kindred prawn]

The cat hair being igc to iap sure kinda did happen in an instant

[still mauve]

I disagree, wdym move on? Do you even hear yourself like imagine as it is making it free then when it gets attention then make it with money? Ofc greedy and iaps don't always return as a reminder. Easy to say but this game has become more about money and savings + grinding more than friendship, I'm sorry in advance if my words have offended you in a way or another but it needed to be said.

[spark lance]

I'm sorry but NO ONE is disagreeing with this.

Everyone knows not to go to the TGC headquarters themselves and cry infront of their windows. (Well most people here. And if someone doesn't then they should be banned, no questions asked)

And that is not our point in the first place 😭.
We are upset because they did a shady thing and now everyone else is accusing us of making up conspiracy theories with no sense in them at all.
We don't hate tgc, we don't hate the game, we are upset for the very reason that we love it. Its on them. But yes no one should be sending hate to the company, people who work there or people here chatting about it.

[spark lance]

No money = no opinion
I see

[spark lance]

Given the changes they have made in the past, that is proof enough they clearly listen and respond to feedback. Perhaps not ALL of it, but to say NONE of it is untrue. Be mad, frustrated, it’s all valid. But telling people “You are liars. You did this on purpose to put players down, you are predatory” is more than just airing frustrations, that’s conspiracy and name-calling no matter how mad I am at a decision in a game, that kind of behavior I’ll never get behind. It always makes things worse without question.

[ancient saddle]

I could buy around 50 apples here for 20$ 😭 why would I spend it on a virtual item that doesn't even look good on our back, such a high price for the back model be the same one as the placed prop?

[copper pagoda]

maple leaf cape was 99 candles yea
need to get the frizzy hair and maybe the table
but thats 3 igc items when this event has been going on since idk and theres only igc stuff now... i think itd be nice if we got another good halloween thing for igc is all :,)
there is a bigger problem ofc w/ how f2p peeps keep getting the short end of the stick but i alr went into that

[spark lance]

Yes, but they take advantage of when the angry mob dies down to ignore us, eventually they return our reactions, everyone cheers, and TGC is like "we did it boys, we shut up the cash mashines 🥂"

[somber thistle]

A good way to decide on purchase-value is to compare the price with a minimum hour-wage in your country.

Once i discovered an iap was worth 1 hour wage in my country, 1 day in a friends country. Thats a huge imbalance.

[spark lance]

[spark lance]

it'll get tiring eventually, but you can buy 50+ meals with that where I'm from if you're not looking for anything fancy

you can imagine the pay is not at all forgiving there, sitting at around $10 per day

people who don't care lilely just don't deal with stuff like this tbh

[wild yoke]

And it’s useless

[eager harness]

Taking a shot at my picture was really uncalled for. You have no idea what personal reasons it’s there for.

[tribal flame]

It's true but... if they initially put it by candlelight because at least they don't put the hair as a separate IAP item like the cat is and for a lower price, that in the end they will earn the same or more.

[spare cedar]

Ok wow this is getting kinda out of hand this should of been to voice our disagreement with TGC's disrespect towards f2p players and our feelings on how TGC ignores our opinions, but now everyone is attacking each other I think everyone needs to cool down a bit because attacking each other is not helping anyone.

[spark lance]

I tried to ask a question to you so I’m not sure if this comment was about what I said. But if it was, I straight up don’t understand your second sentence. I wish you gave examples. I feel like you are not being specific. Maybe I missed the real comment you are replying to. I am willing to drop the convo tho because I think I agree with some of the parts you are saying.

[cursive tinsel]

VPNs would just allow people to bypass region locks on tailored prices i guess but it just means IAPs are unaffordable for a large majority

[gilded parrot]

Using a vpn is not recommended or supported by TGC. Please don't recommend, discuss, or seek help with VPNs in this server

[wraith bolt]

[idle creek]

Right. Cat hair IAP? Cool, but make it $15/$20 just because of an added cape and cuz it's a "bundle". No.

It would be reasonable to make the cat hair $3

Also if I'm not mistaken, the igc items for days of mischief were added last year. I don't think during 2020 mischief there were any igc? (I started in 2021 my bad if I'm missing something out). Plus, majority of the items are IAP Vampire cape, Web cape, Pumpkin hair, Wizard hair, the withered antlers, now the cat hair and cape bundle

And yes, of course it has only been a day since they announced the change. Maybe, we could be patient for a bit? Days of mischief is coming in October anyways (iirc)

[hasty vessel]

Your words aren’t offensive, move on as in as much as you all want to think that this is a fun loving game tgc are trying to turn sky into a FRANCHISE it requires resources and capital, if that means making a popular item an iap then so be it get over it. There are more important things in this game other than cosmetics. Prices have always been a touchy subject in sky.. prices have been one of the most consistent things in this game(they’ve always been expensive and we’ve always complained) either adapt with it or leave it behind. There no point bursting a blood vessel over tgc’s business plan when we know nothing of the amount of costs it takes to run this game….

[orchid nexus]

If anyone needs an an angle for talking about this without assuming ill intent or intentional lies from staff, this is easy and true: TGC is a business and as such, criticism of the business is still fair and valid. As many have said, there are a large number of players who can't afford most, or even any IAP. Those players feel chronically undervalued. But I do think the 1-day turn around is actually not a realistic timeframe for making nefarious decisions and getting a build out. It looks like a snafu to me

[cedar yew]

I can buy so many pack of real edible marshmallow with the iap price. That's why I didn't pay. Currency difference actually exists‼️‼️‼️‼️

Also Dlizzar what

[spark lance]

ahh, the old days of Sky will never return... where it was much more peaceful, less cosmetics existed and everyone embraced unique styles,Not only is Thatgamecompany well respected for being a successful Indie mobile company...
But now... Those days have passed and everything on Sky has changed... For good or bad, Tgc has become a billionaire company in which he doesn't improve his game considerably, always looking to profit and profit more... and it's unfortunate I know, in addition to the quality of Sky having declined a lot and the players are not what they used to be...
And just a comment from an old player like me, and it's unfortunate to see that Thatgamecompany, a company that had a lot of potential, didn't take advantage of this and evolve...ending up being a mediocre and generic mobile game company...

[spark lance]

Alex, this people need to calm down seriously, right now they're not going to listen, they just want to argue at this point, nothing more

[orchid nexus]

I'm sorry for the vague answer. I can't be specific about threats or language because those things are removed as quickly as possible

[limber ember]

TGC advertise their game as "friendship social aspect, casual player friendly, high quality game"
But in the reality what we're getting is the opposite, each events contains more than 3 iap items, it's not very healthy if you think about the items we're getting is worse than NFTs.

and don't let me get started with all the historic bugs

[ancient pike]

In the US (where thatgamecompany is centered), our legal minimum wage is $7/hr which is $56/day (almost 3 Lazy Days IAPs).
Ideally it’d be $14/hr which is $136/day (6 or more Lazy Days IAPs), but we don’t live in a utopia.

[plucky venture]

Wow.. Growing desire to move to Taiwan ⤴️ you have orchids and cheap bubble tea there

[worldly quest]

inb4 sky starts selling ugly monke nft cape 💀💀

[spark lance]

[feral marlin]

i think that pack will be like 30$ cuz the witch hair are 10$ and the bat cape are 20$

[copper pagoda]

also thhhhis (and what alex said)
remember that we're here bcos we want to make sky a better place collectively
and that means we should probably put our focus on the games and the business itself
its fair to be upset over disagreements but lets like, not get into name calling and making fun of ppl's profiles
infighting will just make our cases worse on both sides

[midnight python]

oh god NOO 💀💀
tgc: new nft game thats a rip off of sky! /j /ref

[civic current]

i just think the main issue is that they keep releasing more and more iap items while reducing the amount of items you can get freely via gameplay. that's not healthy for a community. it'll just reduce the population until no one is playing because now you get the stuff via money. removing at the same time the driving factor of whales to buy those cosmetics(showing off). it's how a game stagnate and dies

[spark lance]

Tgc is just messing with us. They switch it back to IGC. Don’t worry 😂

[still mauve]

I can see you don't seem to relate to what any of us are seeing you are free to leave the convo instead of trying to make it seem as if we're desperate about it, and yes the iaps are expensive and complaining is no problem it should be there, how can you enjoy a game when all you have to do is grind candles everyday like a on going loop, we're not asking for much we're trying to turn sky into a better game that can also think of players that have no possibilities of paying online ( mostly for underage kids ) and js cuz I don't put money in the game or want to pay THAT MUCH for a IAP doesn't mean I can't have an opinion about it hope it's understandable I hope you see the issue here cuz it's not only about iaps it's a whole community here

[orchid nexus]

eh... I think a lot of people want to be heard. I'm not here to stop anyone being upset, just moderatoring to make sure upsetness is well-directed and everyone is good to other members. We all have to disagree sometimes

[wild yoke]

U should see the Chinese tiktok ,an app called xiao hong shu and also twit the war is so amazing

[eager harness]

I agree and I think it’s out of hand.

[novel aspen]

I’d be more amenable to this change if the cat hair would return next year as IGC, but some of the vets and people who spent money would probably get angry
I understand that the paying players like to have their own exclusive items, but the season ultimates fall under that, as do many of the other IAPs already.
If this change will not be reversed, surely returning a singular cat hair as IGC wouldn’t be too bad? Especially considering how much everyone loves it. It would kinda suck to not let everyone have an opportunity to get this cosmetic

[spark lance]

I agree with everything but the last part. We cannot forget the juggler, sword pants situation. There have been so many vets now expressing their distaste that it feels like they're (TGC) starting to care more and more about the money. There are so many long term players who have quit because of this issue. It's not groundbreaking to make this assumption.
We are getting ONE new free item (the mask now) while NINE IAPs. Is it really so crazy to say its getting more about the money now? Not only the amount but the pricing.

[spark lance]

I'm not calling them liers just because I'm frustrated. yes, I'm frustrated but at their lies, am i not allowed to say that without some TGC defender saying I'm "name-calling"? And didn't they change it JUST as players were enjoying the item being put in the game? Didn't they say "we planned this iGC item" but then switched up to "we planned it iGC but also iAP, so now it's iAP, like Schrodinger's cat 😄👍"? Idk, last time i checked "planning" isn't a both opposites at the same time, you can't say "i saved money to go to Paris" and fly to Bangkok bc that's what "you planned as well" meanwhile ppl are still waiting for you in Paris. Last time i checked you have either 1 plan or multiple just-in-case-a-plan-fails-b-plan plans. So either of their statements is a lie.
If it's miscommunication, half the team sneakingly added it to the update or what? If that was the case, why not say "sorry guys, that was an error" instead of coming up with yet another lie?

[spark lance]

• lowering importance of cosmetic
  Just because you don't play just for the cosmetics
  It don't make it impact less important to others. Customization is a key feature for sky and players have the right to voice their opinions about the lack of free new content.
  COSMETICS IS A MAJOR PART OF GAMEPLAY.

[orchid nexus]

I think we are actually agreeing on the pricing. my point is I can agree that the pricing and the trend isn't something I like

[zealous axle]

At the end of the day, it’s up to TGC on what happens. I am extremely disappointed in the choice that was made, but I hope they strongly reconsider pricing in the future. $20 for a marshmallow I have no intentions of buying. Cut that price down to $10 and I WOULD buy it. If a lot more people buy the $10 items, would that not get more money in the end?

I would like to see MORE cosmetics for LESS money. ($3-$5-$10) I would more than likely buy each one in that case. Even buy them for my friends.

Still disappointed about the choice on the cat hair, and I hope we start getting better igc items and not the scraps.

[steady widget]

It's been more than 12 hours of arguing in beta, I hope somehow we can figure this out, this is really not healthy for a public server 😭😭

[limber ember]

Old days of Sky

I remember Old days of Sky is one time ktjn shamelessly saying they're "small company" and doesn't deserve the anger from the bad decisions they made.

yeah I guess now they learned to be silent, but still did not learn how to listen to the playerbase

[hasty vessel]

I should leave the conversation because I disagree with your opinion? LOL great take 👍🏽 did i call any of you desperate? No, don’t put words in my mouth.

If you can’t afford to pay for iaps in the game you still get a FULL game experience, heck you even get to experience new seasonal content and areas, iaps are just one part of the game that keep it up and running for everyone to play. AD free! There are many shadier things that tgc could have done to this game but they haven’t… again ACCEPT YOUR LOSSES and move on

@worldly quest its been three years!!! And we’ve only become more restless and also started seeing tgc as this big evil company that only cares about money. They could definitely have done worse but haven’t

[ancient pike]

My biggest issue is that we can’t look at the pricing for these items. All it does is worry people and allow them to cover their tracks.

It’s a bunch of text walls because the cooldown is 5mins.

[small crane]

bro i am so hyped for the cat hair i started to saving my candles

[spark lance]

oh boy

heres a low effort joke about this
#text-wall-chat

[spark lance]

I agree with you, they should let us see the price of the bundle to see if it's over priced or not

[north patrol]

Right! I don’t think it’s too bad collecting items for games we can commit to, but others don’t have the privilege to do so.

Had they released the item as an IAP from day one, I’d be fine with it. At least they’d have been transparent with us.

[spark lance]

No way they do it just for 1 cosmetic. I don’t think it would be fair to do to just 1 either. For Example: I like the cat hair but I don’t love it. I do love the witch hat tho why isn’t that one up for igc later on?

@orchid nexus I didn’t consider that mods are seeing terrible comments that are filtered before I see. This does add good context to your point

[worldly quest]

the “accept your losses” mindset only gets more and more… shady stuff, as you put it, in the game. take a stand now if you ain’t want more. no resistance means they’ll just keep pushing

[magic jetty]

[orchid nexus]

most of it isn't arguing. most is people saying how they feel. most people here are doing a great job of treating each other well People don't have to stop expressing how they feel, as long as that's still the case

[cedar yew]

It's really not about the money tho, despite talking about it.
It's about TGC's attitude cause let's be real they kinda sus sometimes

[solid scroll]

I bought the bundle too early and only have the cat mask not the hair

[civic current]

removing a place where people can have a discussion about current issues is a really bad idea. This is the goal of this very channel. If you remove it or block them from it, it will just direct the hate in unwanted places and turn people uncivil. Making sure people stay civil is perfectly fine. blocking everything is hubris and stupid.

[eager harness]

Agreed.

[sterile copper]

We shall unite and let TGC hear our voices.Only when they realize how serious the problem is,can they make changes.
TGC!APOLOGIZE to players!
TGC!RESPECT players!
TGC!DON'T PLAY DUMB!

[feral marlin]

it is my choice to move on or not, you're not my mom :(

[orchid nexus]

@native stump please don't attack or insult others

[still mauve]

I said don't make it SEEM as if we are desperate , you have a big problem and that is you only think of your opinion and your side but you're not even trying to understand where thousands of players come from you're just here to rub in our faces " oh hey yes you don't have any money to pay so don't complain if you can't pay it's not important" it is this game is about cosmetics not anymore about friendship TGC did many shady things that have been said but you only want to support your " valid " point, as I said again stop trying to stir things up try to understand the community not only yourself

[wild yoke]

They are now all fighting abt the price cuz the Chinese players felt that a one day turn is just cuz that tgc wanted money and yep they are all I would like to say scolding tgc just cuz of the cat hair become an iap for just one day they are expecting that tgc will change it back to free after “scolding tgc”

[whole helm]

for non-english speaker like me, this is a big opportunity to learn how to debate in english
(srsly, my eng got better during time spent in beta chat for the last 2yrs tho)

[spark lance]

Well, obviously nothing personal, of course. You were defending TGC like their defender hero and as i was stating that, ironically, you had a superhero pfp. So that was a joke of course, sorry if I offended you

[scarlet radish]

no but same

[burnt mist]

Damn the reactions are still gone? I thought they would be back by now haha

[idle creek]

Okay hold on. "Cuz the Chinese players", are you assuming that most of us that are complaining are Chinese 💀… literally the western currency is so expensive in Asia. Plus, why would the Chinese even complain? They literally have their own Chinese sky with their own events and stuffs.

I'm pretty sure all of us are being civil except for some that have privilege 😵‍💫, nobody's attacking TGC. We're only expressing our disappointment

[gusty cradle]

I only come to say 🙋 free the cat, don't buy adapt 🙋 hair and mask for candles, there are already many paid items

[orchid nexus]

just as it's valid to be angry, it's also valid to defend TGC if people choose to. these personal exchanges will lead to fights, so please stop yourselves from expressing anger at another person's opinion

[dire escarp]

Please keep the chat respectful to eachother

[spark lance]

at this point i think there's group of ppl wanting to shut down conversation and silence ppl by sending them to feeback
wait... it happens all the time 🤓

[limber ember]

Accept losses of what? those luxury delicate exquisite items? Those items are the only thing TGC can offer to the people who already enjoyed the 99% of the gameplay and its human nature for people to be wanting more, of course it's our loss if an item that's supposed to be "free" as in no irl currency spent suddenly moved to the category of "only people with money can experience this delicate item"

[steady widget]

That's true too but it gives off a very passive agressive comments and create distaste this is not directed at anyone, I just feel the need to say it once since negativity is brimming from here.

[ancient pike]

I said it before and I’ll say it again.

I’m honestly behind most of thatgamecompany’s decisions. But locking the beloved cat hair behind a paywall was a pretty shady move.
And if I think it’s bad, it’s probably pretty damn bad.

[fallen jackal]

not sure if my input means anything, but coming from a player who started during gratitude and then took a 3 year hiatus, ive noticed a serious increase of IAP. days of summer whatever really opened my eyes to this.

[sage haven]

I really like your picture. FYI. I hope you are having a great day.

[near geode]

beta

[spark lance]

Chinese players??

[spark lance]

I reread what you said and yes I do think we agree about the prices and stuff but I brought them up to show that TGC has been getting more and more greedy (sounds harsh idk what other word to use instead)

You said that it's not realistic to make the assumption TGC didn't plan to change the hair from free to pay. You believe that they just had a miscommunication between them. Which is fair yes could happen but I'm pointing out that it's fair to say that it could've also have been a money grab with the past situations they've been having.

20$ for marshmallows ,,
Different info given to us at the same time by the devs ,,

I'm trying to show why people are actually not believing what they have said. Not to attack them but to explain ourselves.

[spark lance]

Your comment reeks elitism and selfishness.
We are here to give feedback so deal with it.

[spark lance]

yeah,, but some of the people defending are acting as if people are mad over nothing, as if they don't know how bad currency exchange can be
acting like it's nothing because they're able to afford at least some of the many iaps tgc has been pushing out when in asia,, well

[eager harness]

Thank you! I’m trying to. I hope you are as well. 🙃

[kind nest]

It falls under netease

[orchid nexus]

comments that that generalize about community behaviors and suggestions that people's feelings are invalid tend to incite arguments @hasty vessel and feel personal even when they aren't personally directed

[tribal flame]

I totally agree, I think if there were cheaper IAP items people would buy more. We are aware that TGC is a company and needs money, but they must be aware and think about the Latino population, most of whom earn very little and cannot afford to buy expensive things in the game. It would be fair to put items separately and a lower price.

I guess they would make more money selling more IAP items for a better cost (prices ranging from 15-10 dollars) I used to sell fewer items for a very high price

[native stump]

they said "accept your losses and move on" is this normal?? Whoever disrespected f2p players message was not deleted and mine got deleted??
They even gave us ridiculous names and none of the messages were deleted? why??

[abstract orbit]

Good luck with your work here, seems hard today o7

[viscid pike]

oh! I am so happy! The atmosphere is much better now than before

[wild yoke]

What I’ve seen on some of the apps are the Chinese players arguing idk abt the western part tho sorry but cuz whe china server will just take it to the game same as an iap n most of them are like still in school or something they have no money to buy I’m not saying that the ppl are arguing is all Chinese players but at what I’ve seen on my social media is just china server players “scolding” tgc abt turning it into iap

[orchid nexus]

let's not argue about what was or wasn't deleted, that was a choice I made that's not a beta topic. I can explain in DMs, but I addressed you both

[gleaming bronze]

I feel that if they gave us better transparency on decisions/what went wrong/etc, it could help alleviate the turmoil in general.

Like, telling us why something isn’t working. What happened to this and that.
I mean, heck, Android 8 users that are stuck behind a crash screen haven’t been openly acknowledged since the update.

It’s the silence that’s irksome. A little “hey, we’re gonna try this” or “be on the lookout for that” when a potentially serious issue arises will be greatly appreciated.

[north patrol]

Yeah then. . . would anyone really want to wait for 2-4 seasons for a specific group of seasonal spirits to be added to the travelling spirits pool,, and take into account the TS system runs on a randomised schedule too, so it could take even longer — take dismiss TS as an example.

Are you saying people should just wait for that long to get the items they want? I believe you purchase an AP to get the items you want during that specific season and to save your candles for future TS runs — this is a long term investment I do not mind. The AP is worth the price you pay for, just that it’s a shame the nicer items are locked behind the AP almost all the time, that can be changed to have some nicer items as a free cosmetic. (I will commend TGC for letting some nicer items be free this Season). It incentives people to buy the AP, yes. But you get what you pay for, and what you get from an AP is well worth it, since you get many capes, hairs, masks, pants, and accessories with it.

I think what is worth complaining is the lack of transparency and how TGC’s IAPs have become expensive as of late. So I agree with you partially on your statement, whereby the packs are now overpriced. But this also doesn’t excuse the fact that they chose to turn a popular free item into an IAP. That is what does not sit right with me, I don’t like how they chose to turn a free item into a money item.

[dire escarp]

Personal opinion, I would like all items to be achievable though ingame currencies, that way if anyone really likes them, they could buy them with candle packs, or choose to run for them.

However this probably doesn't work for the business, and I can understand that, as the artists, developers, and designers put in so much work, and I would hate to see them struggle or have to leave (journey flashbacks).

Maybe if the cosmetics were much more expensive, but ingame currency it could make for a compromise, but look unattainable for new players.

I'd love to hear other opinions on monetizing these things.

[slow dirge]

So they changed the cat hair into a iap item?

[hasty vessel]

What is the point of having the cat mask as an iap if less people show interest in it? From a business perspective it 100 percent makes sense to make the hair an iap because players have wanted a cat ear hairstyle ever since they saw the golden wasteland spirit with the black cape. It’s a popular item it’s been highly requested for three years! If it means it will bring more capital to the game. Highly desirable sparkly items are usually iaps is it really so hard to consider that popular items help drive the game?

Btw im not arguing, this is a debate in my eyes so don’t take this personal please

@civic current everyone’s opinion counts thank you! Just because you might not want to see it doesn’t mean it’s not valid, quit that attitude

[shell tangle]

Alright people, take a deep breath and breathe out.. It's time to drink some water and stay hydrated. Go on, take a sip..

[spare cedar]

This is just so sad to see the community argue like this, TGC made a bad decision and here we are arguing at each other, this isn't the way to convey our feelings to tgc

[still mauve]

Well looks like now popular items are driving the game down cuz they don't think of us

[ancient saddle]

This is so sad

[near geode]

hi

[rotund reef]

Cat hair comes out as iap in live: alright everybody time to beg p2p players for trades! begging for anything is illegal but tgc gave y’all no other choice! get your armor on and prepare to feed the whales! 🐳

[civic current]

To be fair, i think people dismissing the issue completely are also contributing to generating problems in the channel. there's clearly a problem considering the amount of people posting in beta feedback and in here. would it be possible to keep those in check too as it mostly contributes nothing to the discussion? @orchid nexus

[dusky pendant]

bruh you guys take this like so seriously
i can not read fast enough to catch up

[spark lance]

HhHhhHh

[hoary oyster]

It’s ironic how TGC doesn’t condone begging, but is literally encouraging it at the same time.

[limpid pumice]

Oh thank you i was thirsty- wait, there's a krill in my water...

[midnight python]

to the feralian who dmed me and i forgot their name already: i think i accidentally got rid of it and idk how to get your dm back LOL IM SORRY
nvm 💀

[limber ember]

It's a type of Hunger marketing from thatgamecompany

They firstly show items available for sale in beta -> see people's reactions-> if an item has positive response they'll put the item behind paywall -> beta testers can't get to do anything due to thatgamecompany giving silent treatment -> item make its way to Live -> profit 💰 💵 💵

@wild yoke Thats the habit of Chinese players, they tend to let the leader/public mascot/founder of the company to get the heat, it's not individual that's getting the heat, they always mean entrepreneur when they name out one individual from the company

[idle creek]

I'd like to remind everyone that only 3 people here are making things hard and arguing with the rest of everybody, pretty sure most of us don't wanna argue since we agree on the general idea that "IAPs are getting crazier"

[tribal flame]

It's a good idea but... what would happen to those dishonest people who hack the game for everything, especially the candles?

[fleet cape]

I would completely agree with this only if all items could be bought at any time i want (without travelling spirits)

[spark lance]

people were still interested in the cat pack. you fail to see that they capitalize on the happiness that people had about the cat hair, actually getting something free for once that didn't feel like leftovers. nothing free this year for rainbow? here, have the recoloured cargo pants that was supposed to be iap. oh right, days of sunlight! here, have a tent

they're giving people one free igc item lately, yet multiple iaps. you act as if people can just afford this stuff, when in reality, the pay in so many places are just terrible

At the end of the day there's still the only explanation for why they made the change :/ and its money.
Planned or not, think about it.
They saw it was popular and made it IAP /// They saw it was popular and STILL made it IAP

@hasty vessel we would NOT be complaining if IAPs just came here and there to the game but that's not the case. They have put IGC items on a backseat to focus purely on IAPS. Which yes is a problem when there's ONE free item coming. (A downgraded mask) and NINE cool items coming for real MONEY all between 10-20$ . That is INSANE

[wild yoke]

Yep some on china tiktok and an app called xiao hong shu they were all scolding Jenova for some reason eventho is tgc is the one who changed it n looks like that were all very angry n said “tgc just wanted our money”

Some of them also said that they were gonna dlt sky cuz it just wanted money like all the other mobile game does

[viscid pike]

Indeed, only people who care about the price come here now?

[naive dragon]

yep and apparently it was the last straw for some ppl and honestly for me too

[native stump]

ofc this is so sad. Since morning, they have been blaming f2p players and giving them nicknames. They are disrespectful and none of their messages are deleted. It's very very sad indeed.

[spark lance]

That's what exactly they do.

[willow sapphire]

The reason why TGC upsets me the most is they downgraded the mask and swapped it with the cat hair. Why they downgraded the mask!? Can’t we have the same mask? It’s like a mock saying that we don’t deserve the previous cat mask

[magic jetty]

the mask is being reworked im sure O_o

[distant egret]

Both
Both is good

[shell tangle]

Oh noooo.

[orchid nexus]

yes it's fair to suggest that people should not be dismissive. I've suggested that above, and mods all agree that's not a productive part of the discussion. It's fair to say "I don't care, I'm not going to be mad," but it's not fair to say "you shouldn't care"

[tame pasture]

Maybe consider not getting the item if you think it's too expensive? Not trying to be rude, but TGC will only price things as high as players are willing to pay, and getting someone else to buy it for you is still money in their pockets.

[spark lance]

We all free to play players
There's no pay to win because sky don't have winners
All we have is making friends, exploring and customization of our skykids
All i can see is they taking out new content for players that don't spend

[near geode]

If making your community mad was illegal tgc rn: 👮🚓 ☹️

[thin stag]

(in my personal opinion) TGC is putting very expensive articles, we already know that they have to make money to continue advancing and creating good content. but equally the majority of SKY's communications are children or working people and because they changed their currency to dollars they come out super high plus the taxes of each country.
Prices should be more accessible and reasonable

[fallen jackal]

honest to god question... did ANYONE buy that marshmallow prop??

[patent skiff]

Well when you make all of the items everyone wants an iap.. buisness won’t go well for long lol. if you don’t let people (likely new players and old) have a chance of trying/having cool looking items etc.. then what’s the point..? cosmetics are kind of becoming the main base of the game.. aside from friendship.. people like dressing up too. It’s not a good thing making it easier for people that can pay to get certain things that could be “free” once in a while because while your point of view in buisness makes sense.. it just won’t last forever

[spark lance]

I only seen 1 person have it 😭

[rotund reef]

I’ll probably end up purchasing it anyway tbh but there are a lot of iap cosmetics and it’s frustrating for p2p and f2p players alike.

[spare cedar]

I'm sorry this must be a lot for you, but I think you are doing a great job of managing this situation and keeping everyone respectful

[dire escarp]

Hacking is against ToS anyway, so finding those who use tools to get candles directly or indirectly should be handled though that mechanism, though not perfect, it's basically an anti-hack issue.

@fleet cape idk you could still have limited time "ultimate" items for participating in events, maybe that is the compromise, that after that event, then they become IAP. Not really thought that one through though, as it kinda becomes unfair for switch / ps4 etc. Though its already kinda unfair as they cannot get those ultimates from past seasons currently anyway.

[hoary oyster]

I told you all that TLP only had the good cosmetics as iAP and look what they’ve done once more. Dear god this season will be another trainwreck. I mean, I already said Shattering was going to be a trainwreck and I ended up being right, so this is just stupid. This was why I was against the idea of another Collab Season since I knew they were going to pull something like this again. History tends to repeat itself and look where we are.

[civic current]

perfect then. i must have missed it. thanks for the answer

[rapid reef]

Even so, can we really claim friendship is stil a core of the game? I had personal experience with people ignoring me and avoiding me because of the way my character look. It feel like it has long stopped to be about friendship to me.

[thorn terrace]

egrhtngfhngdbsv
It was a joke, dw!

But I have to say, yes they are VERY expensive and I still took them. But to be fair, I was able to get them cause I just started sky at the time and I farmed like 19 candles at day.
And, even if I'm happy to have them now, now I could never get them.
Farmind candle is really stressfull and the fact that they make us all farm like crazy or use money to get these items it's sad

[limber ember]

Don't get distracted by others, the reason why we're heating up and keeping the arguments going is because it's a shady move by the company, do not waste time arguing with each other and unite to solve problems

[spark lance]

fr, there are so many problems being discussed but people who are 'tired' of people complaining still stay only to complain about the people complaining, funny isn't it

and then they boil it down to the problem being the price, derailing the conversation while still being insulting over your financial status, and telling yoi to stop being upset with tgc and move on💀

what about the time they shadily switched charities they donate to? the times they failed to give out compensation just because they couldn't handle the thought of unaffected people getting a few more candles? the miscommunication? the gaslighting

ironically, some people would say those complaining only care about cosmetics, when they themselves boil it down to cosmetics and their prices

[still mauve]

There is an easy fix to this , if they hadn't tried to profit form us this wouldn't have been an argument/ us complaining to them. They should just let the hair be free if they still want to appear good in front of their ATM community, not only did we receive ONE free item but it was 90 candles ( the tent ) and once we get a cute hair , it gets fame ≥ easy money paywall directly put. And tbh what's the point of the events if they're gonna make mostly good looking items IAP, we don't like having ppl come here and say we're complaining too much we just want to be heard but it seems like it might be impossible

[low tulip]

I genuinely believe the Season of Aurora will bring in plenty of money. And, not just money, people who are fans of Aurora. Literally just making the cat hair game currency will not phase them 🧍‍♀️

[spark lance]

❕️❕️Not just the nine new coming but also there's already A LOT of IAPS in just ONE event. It goes OVER 100USD. That is ridiculous

Please continue to voice your opinions here and in the #beta-feedback channel ⬆️⬆️💗❕️

@tame pasture like we said before this has been building up we can't just "ignore it move on just don't get it" when there's bigger issues than that. If interested read my comment I'm replying to.

[wild yoke]

I am definitely NOT gonna buy that

[zealous spindle]

I've seen a lot of conformist people (usually people who can afford these items) say that we're making a fuss over nothing and that cosmetics don't matter, wrong. Cosmetics DO matter in Sky, the reason why players, after having explored the whole world of Sky and realizing how monotonous the game is and that there is never anything new to do, decide to stay, is because of the cosmetics; cosmetics and the thirst for collecting is what keeps players sticking around, so saying that cosmetics don't matter is a fallacy.

 They will also say that there are already free items in this event (such as hair and table), but it doesn't seem unfair that for players who can afford to buy these items every year new and nice things come and for others.  who can not buy this always has to put up with the same gifts?  gifts that by the way you can only get if you have farmed hard and dedicated unimaginable time to Sky, I think that is very unfair.  Players who buy IAP and those who don't, we deserve to have good items.
 TGC takes advantage of the fact that its community is general, passive and conformist and they are always going to do dirty things like this, like when they released the anniversary guitar that was the same as one that had come out recently in a season and that only changed the skin and they sold it to you for 20 dollars, or let's not talk about those things that can cost you 10 dollars at most, but you always sell them to us for 20 dollars or more because they give you a package of unnecessary candles and there are many other cases like that. But this always remains in the hands of consumers, our hands.  If we always let them do this kind of thing to us, they will never change, they will always continue to be unfair to the players because we can't afford to buy these things.  Tgc strives to get article after article, at ridiculous prices and never makes the same effort to optimize your game, the thousands of errors always and with each update they come more.

[limpid pumice]

20USD stick is not worth it, I'll just have spells thanks. 🗿

[spark lance]

I agree that popular items drive this game. (I would say cosmetics in general drive the game). And in terms of money it does make sense for tgc to make cooler iap. But the entire player base isn’t paying. A lot probably are and they are the players that pay the bills so it makes sense their opinions are catered to. But there are f2p players. I don’t think they should be completely ignored. There is probably a good amount of players that are f2p and loosing them would probably be bad. The company wants more people to buy and the f2p are hopefully going to buy eventually. Not giving them a cool igc item every once in a while may drive them away.
(Sorry if my English is confusing)

[naive arrow]

Noooo no way
I will never buy it even if I have the money. It's a cute thing, but it doesn't cost that much money

[rare stratus]

TGC Regardless of the prices and what they did
I think we don't benefit from beta Is it possible that prices are hidden and you can't see them except in live Other than that errors in the beta are transferred to live Also they don't fix mistakes and they don't really care The repair is announced two weeks after the breakdown And the repair continues until it can reach a month And after all this there is no compensation What about my seasonal candles that are gone? It's like they're forcing us to buy candles to get the rest of the stuff From the season It's really very frustrating.

[native stump]

ofc this is so sad. Since morning, they have been blaming f2p players and giving them nicknames. They are disrespectful and none of their messages are deleted. It's very very sad indeed.
@orchid nexus Ok, I may have gone a little too far, sorry. but since this morning it is very sad to see that none of the disrespect towards f2p players and those who disliked this move by TGC has been deleted.

[idle creek]

It's just that a lot of people are complaining cuz it's literally exactly what happened as last year.

A Collab season + multiple IAPs in said season, then they drop a IAP bomb in mischief and not forgetting the 200 candles pants.

And can anyone that's actually not affected by the IAP madness just… calm down and watch us discuss? We get it, you have money, you can buy things. But not all of us do, and don't compare us to y'all lmao

[tulip lake]

not really, its work better being a spell like boat or table

[dull venture]

Just Popped back in and i see the discussion is still afloat 💕keep voicing your opinions and feedback guys it’s a good thing to express your concerns that has been weighing this community down for years❤️make sure to get some rest and eat if you haven’t and hydrate as well I hope everyone is doing okay 🥺💕

[jade arrow]

Yes.

[spark lance]

not interesting on that prop , plus it's expensive, not worth it for me

[late timber]

Ive accidently gave my friend an idea of combining the pink stripes mask (?) and the Cat hair (PS : The Pink Stripes on the mask looks like a blush)

[orchid nexus]

some things have been removed, but when a conversation centers around one complaint, it's sometimes better to leave the offending comment so others have context, as long as the comments are not personal and direct insults. Still, if you feel something offensive was overlooked, please report specific things to #contact-the-mods

[gentle lily]

Fancy Seeing U here kneeb

[spark lance]

This is literally absurd
1-Change the items by looking at peoples reactions for money
2-Change the mask and make it look worse just because its turning to a IGC item
3-Excusing by saying it's "Miscommunicate" or "Planned Already"
4-Lefting out F2P players which is the %60 or your community
I might have gone too far and I'm sorry for that, but we really need a improvement of actions. I will post this in #beta-feedback

[clever sandal]

It’s the same accounts here for hours complaining about the complaining 😭 . Why stay ?

[limber ember]

TGC not putting popular items into paywall challenge (level impossible)

[hoary oyster]

Does anyone remember that joke I said about TGC being EA? WELL I DIDN'T MEAN THAT LITERALLY, TGC!

@native stump Of course people don’t like this. There’s a reason why they’re angry. Have you ever heard of 9 iAPS in a row in a video game? No wonder it’s outrageous.

[fringe osprey]

If im being honest. I would rather grind everyday for 200 candles and have to use all of them for the cat hair than pay 20$ for cat hair and 2 other items I probably won't ever use. Of course im speaking for myself cause I know alot of people would still buy the pack even if the hair wasn't involved. It hurts knowing that our emotions were kinda played with, making us excited to be able to get a cute gender neutral hairstyle for the same amount that we were able to get for the other hair.
I really hope they decide to change it back to how it was cause this is pretty unfair for those who don't have a job, kids, and people who are already struggling with money

[wary star]

last repost! i'd like people to talk about good approaches to iap prices, if they're gonna keep the cat hair like that, or just in general. if we get a lot of people agreeing, we could see it happen!

how about this? cosmetic iaps should be no more then 5 dollars. mask and necklace? 99 cents. hair? 3 dollars. cape? 5 dollars. fun prop? 6 dollars. useful prop? 10. charity items? less then 21 dollars.

more items + less cash is better then less items + more cash.

also, this applies to existing items aswell

how to compensate? give a lot of candles/season candles and hearts/ascended candles, and let the player choose. aka, 2x the item's price in candle shop candles, then rounded to the highest number so its even

ex. if the 15 candle pack was 16 candles, you'd times it by 2 (32), then round it to the highest number it can go to (40). if it's close to a multiple of 50, change it to that 50. so, our parenthesed' number goes from 32 to 50.

this can obviously stop at the rounding part, but i still get my point across.

[fleet cape]

This will only stop until TGC steps in and finally do something that just looks like a step to the right direction

[tough bay]

cat hair free cat hair free cat hair free

[echo ermine]

As a F2P player I feel this

[orchid nexus]

just to make sure everyone remembers the players are not each other's enemies: F2P players make the game fun for everyone just by being around, and paying players make the game possible for others by supporting the growth of the company. We don't have to agree on the prices, but all the players are equally valuable

[nocturne cargo]

cat mask became an angry mask? Honestly I like the angry mask but as a separate thing cause that is not a cat mask.

[fallen jackal]

ah u guys make me so proud 🥹 i pray for the souls of those fools who spent $20 on a stick (and some candles that tgc definitely didn't add to hike up the price)

[spark lance]

All this talk of sky not being just cosmetics to me is a way to downplay people arguments
Imagine you saying that to a player that have every single free iten and are anxious waiting for new ones 🤦🏾‍♀️ just because YOU don't care about something don't make it less important

[narrow lake]

man the cat hair made me wanna return to live but I guess not

[spark lance]

Does anybody know how much the bundles are usually priced? ❕️❕️❕️

[wild yoke]

The mask is just so not sky 3d to 2d it’s so ugly ngl

[spark lance]

I agree! If I remember correctly it was originally in a pack specifically cat themed and now its just a grumpy mask like huh

[spark lance]

agreed! it's like saying "well, it snowed here yesterday so global warming doesn't exist"

[orchid nexus]

I agree. no amount of "it's only a cosmetic" or "is just pixels" will change anyone's emotional attachments. emotional attachments are why we're all here

[spark lance]

I like watching chat burn and seeing opinions

@nocturne cargo I love your profile pic

[low tulip]

Off topic but I love ur pfp 😩

[idle creek]

They're usually around $20-$30!

If I'm not mistaken, last year's web cape + wizard hair bundle was $20

[tulip lake]

love urs too

[dull venture]

This is brilliant tgc should really consider this 😮

[sand rune]

its called climate change now, and yes it snowed in a tropical area that has otherwise never reached under 5 celcius 🤔

[spark lance]

lmao

[spark lance]

just start don't like to stay in genchat so yea and hi

I'm coming back for the show

Anything new here?

[earnest island]

Nope it is still going 🏃‍♀️

[rapid reef]

TGC has been growing more and more predatory toward it's paying playerbase. They feed off the fear of missing out they have created.

People who think this is all about cosmetic are unaware of the bigger issue that has been cultivated over time because we stayed so quiet when we shouldn't have. Most of us who are shaking the chat right now adore this game, we are not targeting TGC's staff but the entire company. We know they have lives, we know they need money. But we also know that we are not walking ATMs, we also have life and the treatment they have been keeping up for so long keep worsening. As a buisiness, TGC need to be held responsible for their predatory tactic, mistreatment of their communauty and very shady communication with their fanbase.

They say they listen to feedback and reports. But if you even glance at it, season of dream was heavily reported as buggy and glitchy in beta and it was released in live STILL VERY BUGGY AND GLITCHY. Despite the many reports about those issues! When people started pointing out the increasing prices and IAPs, they took away the beta's prices. If it was because prices were not final, why don't they add a text stating "Prices are subject to changes" in-game when you open the shop?

Many players made requests for genuine improvement for the game such as a way to reduce bloom for people with sensitive eyes, etc. But we never got it. TGC only listen when it's convenient for them.

[orchid nexus]

u

[hasty vessel]

I never said that it wasn’t important? I was just coming from the perspective of the company TGC? It’s okay to have discourse within a channel otherwise things can become an echo-chamber of similar rhetoric. I saw people demonising the company and i didn’t agree with that. It’s okay to have different opinions i’m glad that i was able to speak with players who have different views from mine. That doesn’t mean that i should leave the conversation just because i think differently than the majority… thats boring

[ancient saddle]

The mischief bundle has less value than the items sold separately so watch out for that

[spark lance]

I hope the voice instrument gets fleshed out, it’s so cool and nice 🎶

[gentle lily]

Watch after all this ciritism, tgc will still play deaf

[orchid nexus]

just remember to keep it respectful and not minimize people's complaints. that will help avoid arguments

[feral marlin]

is been 17 hour now

[hoary oyster]

This. Sure it’s still behind a paywall, but the prices are MUCH more fair than what will ultimately be TGC's pricing. Plus, the company still gets money, and considering how large the Sky Community is, they WILL get a lot either way, and it’s way more accessible to everyone else. Therefore, this is a good compromise especially for people who enjoy having a lot of cosmetics. It’s like this: Would you rather have the red pill (This compromise) or the blue pill? (TGC's ultimately shady and greedy pricing.)

[zenith lynx]

So still no word from tgc? Nothing? Wow..

[limber ember]

We're arguing with people for the common sense while TGC is going to cover their ears and do nothing and wait till Mischief event gets to Live version

Let's focus

[boreal steppe]

18 hours actually!

[rotund reef]

was really hoping there would be skeletons and skulls this halloween but i’ll keep hoping! next year! 🤞

[spare lichen]

Umm hi I don't know what's going on here....

[fleet cape]

How come not a single TGC staff has woken up to see the mess beta chat is?

Wich dev? @remote flame

[raw pond]

[spark lance]

It's been lot's of hour's since reactions were removed I think they snatched it away. dam 👀

[remote flame]

a developer did a while ago, that went poorly because people were very rude about them trying to answer questions and stuff

[whole badge]

Smh tgc

[merry vault]

Can I ask why they do that??

[wild yoke]

When ig I missed some show

[copper pagoda]

beta feedback will be. very full later for tgc

[spark lance]

I doubt that tgc will act like nothing happened cause got damn i havent seen people talking like this for something like this in AWHILE 😭 or ive just been inactive for a REALLY long time idk

Im just watching in the background silently reading doing nothing insert cool shades

[limpid pumice]

People were "attacking" each other with emotes.

[spark lance]

"there are many shadier things that tgc could have done to this game but they haven't...again ACCEPT YOUR LOSSES AND MOVE ON"

sound familliar?
ig it's not important enough for people to talk about it then

[tulip lake]

people were been toxic and mean using reactions, in short

[spark lance]

Yea I love making new outfits. Cosmetics are a huge part of how I play. Something I do with new friends is create new outfits and “characters”. We can spend time just role playing or talking about what matches with what.
Sometimes I feel like people just want to ignore my play style in game when they say cosmetics don’t matter.

[spark lance]

Reactions can be used for harassment
Imagine so many skull emogis and Ls people would be receiving in reactions

[unreal python]

I wasn't around when reactions were removed, but based on past events when reactions are disabled it is usually due to people being rude and harmful to others with emotes.

Reactions will probably make their return once beta chat cools down, perhaps in a few days.

[spark lance]

oh dw they have probably all seen they r now planning another apology or just how to do damage control in general but it is tough bc ppl were so mad

[elder musk]

The thing is that even if I didn’t spend a penny on any item in the game, I’d be costing tgc quite a bit - the longer I am on the game server, combined with multiple logins, the more I cost them. The way it’s been offset is from revenue generated from AP and IAPs. It’s a very delicate balance, to not blame any player for spending or not spending money on the game.
Hosting services are becoming more expensive, especially nowadays where cost of electricity is creeping up like crazy. While tgc’s balance sheet is non of our business, I think the community would be more appreciative of pricing if reasons were provided. Sky has always been expensive in my opinion and I have been selective with my purchases. Cost of living crisis is impacting everyone and spending 15-20€ on a game is becoming a luxury. Smaller items and smaller prices will keep players attached to the game. Higher prices will just detract players. Something for TGC to think about if they want to keep the game going.

[dull venture]

💯

[nocturne cargo]

The cooldown is so long oml, but ty! Kites a big fav of mine :]

So unfortunate with all this price stuff, i can do with some >6 stuff but this,, nahh. I really wanted that hair now I gotta choose between stuff. Why so many pricey bundles too?? pricey stick.

[zinc gate]

yep 120 dollars in total if im correct :p

[fringe osprey]

Its really maddening sometimes knowing that we barely see any compensation for problems that affect our enjoyment for the game for the 2 years I've been playing I've only seen 1 compensation which was 15 candles. Then they turn around and make one of the most wanted items part of a pack thats probably going to be close to 25$
It breaks my heart to see games that I love become so expensive when it used to not be. I thought this game was supposed to help you relax but in the end I feel like it just makes us all stressed

[calm vapor]

Who can help me?I only got the gift bag from the store yesterday, but I didn't redeem the cat hairstyle. After today's update, the store didn't have anything, But the cat hairstyle can't be exchanged. What should I do?

[clever sandal]

15 candles basically worth nothing atp too lol

[hasty vessel]

FACTS!!!!!! Well said, a lot nicer than me

[zenith lynx]

Ah I see, I get people are upset but verbally harassing devs and mods is not going to result in anything. Hopefully when (or if) they try to communicate with us again it doesn't go like that

[spark lance]

They should make the ears a separate igc tbh (so they still can profit with the cat hair) and make the ears purchasable with hearts, idk

[shell tangle]

Very true. Inflation is hitting us hard guys.

[limber ember]

it's pretty historic about TGC being shameless

I remember last year today ktjn says they're "small company" and "doesn't deserve the anger from wrong decisions they make"

at least that's my understanding, which may be exaggerated but you'll understand the same if you read original

[fleet cape]

Wich dev was it?

Ain't no goddamn way 💀 @limber ember

[rocky nest]

💀 no way

[spark lance]

Well, I think one of the Mod's said people kept being rude to eachother..? Man I was sleeping when they went rude, when I was there they was "Upvoting" eachothers true comment's, as the other people say I think they fighted? I was sleeping (￣ヘ￣;)

[remote flame]

it was at 1 am my time so that was a while ago look up what ktjn said about the iap changes. it was apparently already planned before it was released in beta (sorry had to wait 5 minutes to answer 💀 )

[ancient saddle]

SO THEY DIDN'T ONLY SWAP THE TWO ITEMS, THEY MADE THE CAT MASK WORSE, ON PURPOSE? FOR REAL? THIS IS SO MESSED UP

[feral marlin]

moneyless = no good stuff

[native stump]

Dw mate cat mask will change
@spark lance I think a dev said that

[orchid nexus]

I think it's fair to say the company deserves anger, but the individuals don't. especially those brave enough to stick their necks out in beta chat, because they are usually not the ones making financial decisions. It's hard to separate the two though

[fallen jackal]

so true. i love this post.

[somber thistle]

Well put! 🌻 completely agreed. More price diversity & transparance = more inclusive game.

I still think cat hair iap was a bad move, it appears like they tested its popularity & they could have easily prevented it. I hope they learn from it.

[carmine thorn]

Cat ears as an accessory would be more versatile to your wardrobe variety than the hair, so it might be better to have the accessory as the IAP and make the hair IGC. (With accessory, you can add the ears to your current hair. The current cat hair will make you sacrifice that)

[spring stone]

if we're talking about the crashes that were happening during tlp season, it was more maddening considering the crashes weren't resolved until a few weeks later and a lot of android players were stuck confined at homespace. 15 candles is nothing considering it doesn't even make up for a day's worth of cr

[spark lance]

One person put a curse word in a reaction. That 1 person messed it for all of us. You can actually look for it too the mods never took that comment away! It was a few hours ago tho

[wild yoke]

Hmmm guess I miss that💀💀but nvm thanks tho

[limpid pumice]

Yikes...

[spark lance]

Some of my best friends approached me because of my cosmetics as a way of self expression
It's important! ¯_(⊙ʖ⊙)/¯

[rapid reef]

A lot of people still believe this is all over cosmetics.

But cosmetics are only part of what made the glass flood over. TGC has a buisiness has been targeting it's paying players, disrespecting their F2Ps, mistreated their communauty's voice by ignoring them.

We are not making this outburst just over some cosmetics or because there's IAPs, we're making noises because this can't keep going on. Everything is an IAPs, there's so many IAPs that players feel pressured into spending because every item that has any value to the communauty is automatically made an IAP. We don't want players to enter the game and feel like they have to spend money to enjoy it, but that's what it feel like now. And with our voice being ignored for so long, this is honestly the only moment where so many of us are able to get the point across as more and more players become less new and more aware of what's going on. YOU CAN ADORE THE GAME WITHOUT SUPPORTING TGC AS A BUISINESS. It doesn't mean you're wrong or a bad person because all of us screaming at TGC right now adore this game and want to keep supporting it. But we simply can't with how TGC disrespect all of us, mistreat all of us and continue to prey on their player.

[rotund reef]

getting flashbacks to vday and those three $15-20 furniture items I literally was forced to pick my favorite bc I couldn’t afford all three 💀

[orchid nexus]

if you find it, please report it that wasn't the only reason though

[cedar yew]

Tho we have to see the fact that players are quiting.
Not in a threating way, but actually quited.
All my og/old friends quited/become semi active like me.

There's a reason people are quiting. And IDK why did they hmmm... Maybe because they saw the true colour of tgc?
I know I only stay because I spent so much it's going to be a pain to stop, but many too. We don't even enjoy sky anymore.
Then TGC keep on pulling out bad decisions.
People quit and quit for real TGC. They don't come back. And if anything it's because of your poor management, which is shown yet again during this cat hair thing.
People are sick of TGC.

@wild horizon some maybe, but most people I know quited because of the community/company.

[wise pagoda]

The aurora cosmetics look amazing -

[fringe osprey]

Thats exactly the one I'm talking about. It was actually panic inducing. Weeks of not being able to cr and they gave us a days worth of candles. Very unfortunate 😭

[pure sleet]

Despite shattering is worst from all season, i still prefer this season cuz i got some free good items
Even tho performance is good, i cannot afford all of em 💀👍

[orchid nexus]

#beta-season-test-chat is the place to be happy, not here just kidding everyone you can be happy here if you want, but it's not required

[dull venture]

Tbh what they said about wrong decisions is untrue to me because I’m sure they are aware of the feedback that we have given them, proven by them coming in this chat so if they still continue to push the decision that we obviously didn’t like then that’s just ignorance and purposely ignoring us in my opinion 🥰 if they want us to listen and respect them they need to do the same with us

[spark lance]

again ap is 10 dollars and iap is only one item but 25 dollars around

[brazen tartan]

it's true. never thought I'd see the day I'd spend money in a game, but here I am with the jellyfish buddy. it was affordable for me, and I'm able to support tgc. If there are more items that cost like that? Maybe I'd buy more.

(Am just a lurking, just wanted to put this out here)

[past pilot]

我真没话说

[limber ember]

true, but if an individual tries to speak behalf of the company then it'll be reasonable for the individual get the same heat as company. that's just my opinion it'll not work for others i assume

[hasty vessel]

We just have two very different perspectives an that’s okay. I’ve seen the same arguments being made since the first iap seperate from a season was released, a complete uproar. Seeing the same argument being made over and over and tgc not making any changes has made me more dejected on the situation, i’ve accepted the loss of tgc changing and i’ve moved on. I understand that a lot of players haven’t reached that point yet but from my experience it’s like beating a dead horse

I can do what i want…?

[narrow lake]

theyre under no obligation to do as we want, even though its extremely disappointing when they claim they "listen to feedback" and then turn around and do things like this. very predatory tbh

[spark lance]

then just don't tell other people to do the same

[nocturne cargo]

Bro… I thought you were joking at first but bro.
😟
IAPS are fine, every company needs their revenue, but THIS is not fine. If this was a balancing scale then the scale would be broken.

[wild horizon]

Or because sky is actually very routine and after a while you don’t have much to do? I mean when I stop playing a Nintendo game it doesn’t mean I saw Nintendo’s true colors or something, people get bored and not all experiences on Sky are positive.. people get tired too.

[remote flame]

hey guys can we take how we feel about the changes and turn it into constructive criticism for the devs? a lot of people are just mad they changed the cat hair to an iap but is their a good reason for you to be upset other then you didn't want to have to buy it? nothing in beta is guaranteed so they took nothing away from us but this build did get a lot of people's hopes up and that was kinda harsh. my opinion on it is that the old cat mask suited the bundle better and looked cool, it would have been more popular if it was a bit bigger and the ears were more noticeable. i do wish they kept the old mask regardless of if it was iap or not

[ancient saddle]

It's still so messed up, they could've AT LEAST leave the mask as it was or even improve it a bit (like making the eyes turn red if you get hit by a crab or krill, something simple not a big improvement) to match things up with the hair, but they couldn't be this generous and had to make it even more overpriced..., as a person who's main language is not english (like a lot of people in this server) communicating with others here isn't always easy, and the community is still carrying the game for me, which is so sad.

[orchid nexus]

speaking "on behalf of the company" and taking direct responsibility for players' anger are two different things. The nuance is easily lost when a lot of people are mad, but it really is better to keep anger directed at the abstract entity, not look for scapegoats to punish

[eager harness]

Can you not curse in the chat?

[feral marlin]

is slay a bad word ? just wondering
and @past pilot they only allow english in this server

[spring stone]

Omg yes, and I've heard from a few of my friends that they've seen people literally cry on dc because they were unable to get juggler and/or swordpants because of the crashes rendering them unable to cr. It was so saddening to hear. TGC's attempt at compensation was really poor and the fact tht they don't even try to compensate those who reported not receiving their candles 💀

[frail kite]

Really have to agree with this. It feels like a chore nowadays to log onto sky knowing I'm really doing it for nothing. There's nothing to spend incredibly hard earned candles on amidst the sea of IAPs unless it's a TS, and even then, older players have most TS so all we can look forward to is...an event with one mask and $100 of IAPs?

[wild yoke]

Bro read the rules english please 💀💀some of us don’t understand here

[merry vault]

For those comparing ap and iap, ap just cost $10, which gives you a lot of new stuff in the long run. These items also return over time.

but in the case of the iap, these will always be paid and some of them do not return as happened with the rainbow flower and the healing flower. And in those cases, for 15 - 29 dollars, they only gave you one or three items. It's not the same 🙁

[echo ermine]

It comes up as “I am lost for words” in gg translate

[novel aspen]

Personally, acceptable middle ground for me in regards to this whole situation would be changing the mask to look more visually appealing and bringing the cat hair back as IGC next year. Some vets and folks who bought with money would probably be mad, but it’s one very, very loved cosmetic that I believe everyone should at least have a chance of getting

[elder kindle]

They took of the Cat hair and made the cat mask worse just because now is for free, and some people is saying we are over reacting? Stop being so conformist. We deserve a better treatment. This is not even more just because a cat hair, TGC has been playing dirty since ever and now we are expressing our discontent. We can complain about a lot bugs in the game that never get fixed, about those days que no one can farm because the servers were useless or when Android users could not update the game, no one complained, no one said anything and that is why tgc believes that they can do vile things like this and not receive complaints about it.

[orchid nexus]

it's ok to ask nicely to speak English. lots of people come here from all around the world. it's a simple mistake

[wicked carbon]

I hope you guys like this beta update!! Where we made a candle price for the cat hair and immediately made it iap with no hesitation the next day!! But thats not all!!!! We also made the cat mask look super ugly for candles! Cause free 2 play players dont matter to us and only deserve to get horrible stuff!!!!

[limber ember]

let's assume they were aware about all this feedback, players needs to be heard about developers are scrolling through the feedbacks, at least one of the devs should be like we'll read the feedback please be patience and the company will decide if they're going to do or do not.

@orchid nexus a very solid point, thank you

[fallow delta]

It’s not just this, it’s a build up of events and this is the final straw. Not even final. This is a repeat issue and people are outraged about it.

[fringe osprey]

Yep, I was one of those people. I was going to get the sword pants but couldn't get enough candles due to continuing communication errors I also wanted the scarf but it wouldn't even let me pay for the scarf. I remember continuously trying to buy it and it said it went through but I never got the scarf cause shortly after, game crashed and when I opened it, I still didn't have it, thank god no money was missing but I wanted that scarf so badly I actually cried when it wouldn't let me get it

[copper salmon]

Man y’all still going strong about this cat hair thing… good… KEEP GOING

[native stump]

That's why my old friends quit the game. They were very important to me (because it is very difficult to find Turkish in the game and the Turkish community is very small) Since my language is not English, I have a lot of difficulty talking to foreigners. I would have friends coming back to the game for the new season and new hair, but TGC's move upset them too. Let's just hope that everything will change

[nocturne cargo]

But on another, note aurora season is lookin nice by far! Those sorta cosmic butterfly wings are cool, I’m wondering what the other capes will look like and if there will be another transparent esk cape. If I still decide to keep playing by then that is,,,

[dull venture]

Yes 100% 😔 and I agree with u @limber ember

[remote flame]

the devs already planned to make the change before the new build was released and i definitely think they should not have released the previous build if that was the case because it unfairly got people's hopes up.

[unreal python]

Unfortunately TGC has tried bringing back a formerly IAP item as IGC (the santa hat from Days of Feast) and the outcry against that change was incredibly angry, so they reverted that decision. But I think it's still worth submitting feedback about the mask, hair, and everything else.

[eager harness]

This is a free game at the end of the day and no one is required to purchase anything.

[rocky nest]

yes, reminder its not only about the cosmetics tho but the overall bad behaviour that tgc wasn't bothered enough to fix.

no and it shouldn't be, go to #beta-season-test-chat @spark lance

[spark lance]

is everything calmed down rn?

[civic current]

the game being free is not an excuse to settle for mediocrity

[spark lance]

not only that, but it's also said in the patch notes for the first build that it's planeed for igc lmaoo

[spring stone]

Oh no, I'm so sorry. That's so unfortunate. I wanted the scarf cape too but was unable to buy it 'till the very last day. And when I did try to buy it, it won't go through as well. I was frustrated. I never got the scarf cape too.

[orchid nexus]

that's true, but the desire for certain things is still important, otherwise the game wouldn't exist!

[ancient saddle]

Do y'all think we can keep this up till monday?

[terse yarrow]

Yeah, and the mask has been nerfed when moved to igc. You successfully defend them.
Sorry wrong reply

[signal folio]

As consumers though, we do. To say we don't have agency is untrue.

TGC ia testing consumer tolerance. If they see that raised prices are tolerated theyre comfortable keeping it like that.

[wild yoke]

Just so disappointed after knowing the price ngl…it should work like more items for less price but not less items for more money it doesn’t work like this idk I really dk what they wanted rn they wanted money?I think no but this is just so not fair to the one’s that are still in school 25$is really a big num of money to the one’s are still in school

[limpid pumice]

All month?

[spark lance]

keep going until its changed /j

[hasty vessel]

Mediocrity?! Give me another game that is in the same sphere as sky:children of light? ….. i’ll wait 🦗

[lyric nimbus]

still going strong

[opaque cedar]

25 dollars is the price of the cat bundle?!?!??

[lyric ledge]

20$ for hair!!!

[patent skiff]

… /srs

[spark lance]

You don't need to go to eden
You don't need to finish constellations
You can do a lot of things just being passive
But i will not

[sharp geyser]

what is Tgc thinking?
5 paid items and 1 candle
You need money... rob a bank!
We play for the love of art we are not rich, Be more Tgc aware or you will lose valuable players

[zenith lynx]

For me it's the lack of transparency and communication. It's been radio silence on tgc's part for hours. It feels like they were just testing the waters, see our reactions. You love it? Cool then it's no longer free. They can say this is not the case and that cat hair was always supposed to be an IAP, but the truth is a lot of players feel this way. Betrayed almost. Or punished for expressing their excitement. They need to understand this is how we feel and act on it. Maybe they could release a cat hair accesorry and make it cost hearts. I don't know, just do something. Also the cat cape. I think it would be a lot cuter if the tail of the cape curled upward much like the tail on the cape of peeking postman. Right now, I'm not interested in the cape at all. If you must keep cat hair an IAP please please please make it available seperately, I don't want to have to buy a cape I'll never use.

Holy shark that's long, sorry 💀

[merry vault]

When a game gives more benefits to people who pay and neglect those who play for free, it is a bit classist.

For example, I have paid for many things in the game and I know the Game thanks to people who have never bought anything.

Taking care of both types of players is important even for the brand of the company since both types of players attract new players who help the game to grow

[unreal basin]

if they didnt want people to get mad about the cat hair they shouldve never released the old ver., now they should revert it and let f2p players have something aswell... 20$ for a single cosmetic is insane

[vital flare]

there are barely any masculine hairs and i am stuck with two or three hair to wear
so i was excited for the cat hair because it is androgynous short hair
but now it will be in a bundle that will likely be 25 usd
and it isn't worth it just to get the hair
i've bought iaps for this game before but i never get the ones over 10 usd because it doesn't seem worth it to spend so much on one item in a game and i am also meant to be saving money right now...
i was excited for the cat mask as well because i like the weasel mask but it doesn't clip good with the hair i can wear so i never use it unless i make my character bald
i was upset about the cat mask being changed but ktjn explained it didn't meet certain standards for item design so how it is now is just a placeholder and they are working on the new design
i was excited for days of mischief to return again and have more items but now i will get nothing new if the cat mask redesign isn't good

[spark lance]

I tried to explain but my message was filtered but no not slay and I reported it so it will be gone

[wicked carbon]

Days of mischief literally proves its not an event where most of the good cosmetics go to iap hell and what do the f2ps get? 4 cosmetics. Literally 4 cosmetics. did you not see how bad they made the cat mask look after it turned igc

[desert token]

everyone: catcry
meanwhile me: no enchantment spirits?

[young jetty]

Not only for people that uses USD as currency think about the Latinoamérica community, for us 25USD is extremely expensive lots of money in our currency 😭 even for the ones that can afford it

[narrow lake]

at the end of the day, they can choose to ignore our feedback. that's what I meant. sure, if enough of us speak out against something, they may consider changing it. but there is no contract or law or anything requiring them to listen to us. it's bad practice in terms of souring relations with the player base but a lot of game companies don't care about that at the end of the day (EA, Bethesda, etc)

ah sorry for ping ;v;

[limber ember]

Focus on the straight point, make TGC react on us, keep the flame on, it's all the players can do as of now, keep it strong

unfortunately we lost a treasure of old TGC, where they express the idea of "9th art, videogames", where they sharpen a legendary game until they're almost going bankrupt, where they make games that are both enjoyable and relaxing without getting headache for slightest problems

[dull venture]

I’m also finding the socializing part of this game hard for me because all of the friends that I have in sky, which is not many, they always come and go soo fast like no one stays in the game and I always catch them too late they only collect season candles and immediately log off it’s hard because I want to chat with them and spend time with them but I can understand because there’s no spark anymore like when you first play the game all that’s is in your mind is getting candles

[knotty shale]

Say it louder, for the people on the back! That amount of money is MOST DEFINITELY a lot!

[past pilot]

I'm here to learn English hahaha

[eager harness]

I agree with you on that. I just feel like this is becoming a huge argument and people are making up conspiracy theories and bad talking TGC when they made a business decision, for whatever reason. The name calling as well and occasionally curse words aimed at TGC or other players. It’s all clogging up the feed of this channel.

[unreal python]

I agree it got people's hopes up and it was incredibly unfortunate. However I imagine they did not think it was feasible to delay an entire season's testing period over the location of a single hairstyle that players hadn't seen yet, which is probably why the build was released.

---

@terse yarrow I didn't talk about the mask in my comment? Aside from supporting Ealize's thoughts about submitting feedback on the look of the mask, which I agree is a good thing to do. Did you mean to reply to somebody else?

[native stump]

Enchantment is my favorite season but I didn't get enchantment TS spirits because of my exam week

[remote flame]

yeah unfairly getting people's hopes up. im not saying im not mad about it and that makes it even worse that they did that because the build was released after the decision was made according to a dev who said it was planned a week ago.

[narrow fable]

I'm more hoping TGC could change the mask back to the first design by adding with one or two details like cat whiskers or some sort

Also I'm highly suggest them to look at the gala mask since the og design and the gala mask looked similar

[rocky nest]

not only the Latinoamerica community, but literally half of the population. over here an AP is is 55ron. May not be as much as the other currencies but its still alot you can buy so much with 55ron

[orchid nexus]

good luck! this channel will make it difficult for you, but you are welcome here!

[fringe osprey]

Im so sorry to hear that, sometimes we just don't have the money to do it and the fact they use the whole "this is never coming back so get it while you can" is so disheartening when you know you're not going to have the money before the event ends. I remember trying to contact through email asking if there was any chance that the scarf would come back since I really had no control over the error and they just straight up said, "we can't bring it back due to collab purposes but don't fret because in the future there could possibly be another scarf"
Then we ended up getting the red one from performance which is nice but still. Its the look of caplessness that I was mainly after especially since we can't have that option in live

[fleet cape]

The Lack of regional pricing and frequent IAP is always a red flag in my book

[civic current]

journey? i'm not sure i'm following your point here. how does finding another game like sky change the situation or affect what i said really? If the situation is mediocre for a game, it will remain mediocre until internal forces make changes.

N.B. i'm not saying sky is mediocre. i'm saying the current situation of iaps and how the company treats it's community is. And that the game being free is no excuse

[flat shadow]

Sorry if I missed something, where did a dev say it was planned a week ago? (I’m not saying you’re wrong or anything just curious!)

[spark lance]

Same and

sometimes in my country 20 can change to 30-50 cause of how my country deals with money 😭

[civic fable]

Hello hows it going now

[wild yoke]

Idk too but many players are saying that it will be same price as the mischief catch up pack which is 29$ it’s really expensive for some players tho it’s one month food money in malaysia here like one MONTH (sorry for the 5minutes late reply 💀)

[ancient saddle]

Almost every hairstyle in sky is given a more """"Feminine look"""""" and now that they make one that doesn't really fit in any """""gender rules"""" society has they put it as an iap I'm so sad

[narrow hollow]

All they needed was one day of seeing how excited people were to quickly switch it to an IAP, don’t see how devs can defend this.

[novel aspen]

I still think they should do it. IAP buyers have early access to seasonal Pass-locked items, which F2P have to wait months for a TS and then spend hundreds of candles for, as well as the ultimate items which nobody will ever get after the season ends, and also so many IAP packs. Not to mention that eventually we will have hundreds of possible traveling spirits and the wait times will be arduously painful
Is a singular cosmetic really too much? Couldn’t they say ahead of time “this cosmetic will return for IGC in the future” so the vets and money-spenders would have no excuse to get angry?
Sure, folks with money deserve their own exclusive items for supporting TGC, but what about the F2P who grind for days for candles and continuously play the game for hours on end to be able to afford the cosmetics they want, rather than just buying candle packs like some people are able to do? Don’t we deserve a chance to earn these items too? Can we not pay for said items with the hours of gameplay of candle farming?
This doesn’t even have to happen for every single IAP, just one or two items which the community loves especially much

[orchid nexus]

that will happen as soon as mods all feel we can handle it. I know it's an inconvenience, and we're doing our best!

[opaque cedar]

29 dollars?!?!?? That’s almost 500 or 600 MXN pesos or MY DADS SALARY I can’t just ask for that money since I’m a mexican player

[atomic sluice]

I throwed black cats at hackers

[spark lance]

I also had the situation and didn't cr at all the whole time
I got the juggler and others thanks to the candles I had back then but missed sword pants
And I didn't got any candle even after I reported

I like no reactions because it forces people to think for themselves 😭 but they’ll come back eventually

Mods having lot of work this week 😅

[nocturne cargo]

I agree strongly! Some more non season-exclusive content would be great. There’s not really much to do especially after you finish all the realm content and such and all you can really do is cr and such. I’ve seen people suggest the concept of certain mini games and other multi person activities that seem lovely. More non season exclusive content in general would be awesome, not just for fun but for earning stuff too though idk how that would work.

[spark lance]

fr, even in my country recently dolar cost same as euro now
when months ago it was just little above half 💀

[keen arch]

If u guys think that $120 its expensive imagine for Brazilian ppl
$1 worth R$ 5 so its around R$ 600
And here we only get R$ 1000 working for the whole month 😂
I can't buy nothing 😦

[limber ember]

Anger is human nature, it is very hard to make people sit down and talk about things when their benefits and the items they desire are getting violated. Maybe thinking about why people are angry and solving the problem from the root is a viable option

Shouout to Alex for handling this place in a good shape singlehandedly

[merry vault]

For expensive iap like those, I can use for example my snowflake cape because my friends starts to calling me "rich" Man, If I were rich I literally would have all on Genshin

[young jetty]

Like you can buy food for a week with the price of the cat hair 😭 that's crazy to think about

[spring stone]

Thank you. And true, we did get the performance scarf but red is so much harder to match up compared to yellow considering a lot of the cosmetics they put out is yellow. I have the performance scarf and i rarely wear it despite the fact I love the design. I also really didn't like the whole FOMO thing they had during tlp. It made me unable to sleep one night thinking how I won't be able to afford the swordpants. Made me realise how unhealthy the game was at tht point and I never wanted a collab to happen again if it was gonna be this stressful

[fathom inlet]

This is so true. Its pure greediness that’s so not fair for us players. As a masc player i can’t find many masc or genderless hairs and now that i FINALLY find good genderless hairs that are not as expensive as valley elder hair they put it in iap, this is so disappointing

[spark lance]

TGC Didn't change it yet?

[desert token]

at least you got good prioritisation skills I meant in reference to days of mischief though - since we’ve had visits from past seasons for every event since feast now I was hoping the old enchantment gang might show up. the dev npcs are pretty funny (especially jenova the imprisoned lol) but it’s the perfect enchantment event even the cauldron knows it lmao

[dull venture]

Agreed I see the guys of the game wear the same hairstyles although I’m fully aware of the styles that can be worn by anyone but it’s really unfair and the previous ones that nobody has really seen have already passed with the past seasons like the ones with dreads so there’s no way to get them back they should really bring more of the masculine hairs back

[signal folio]

Mini games sound so fun and I wish they would add more. There is already enough chat tables.

I think the marshmallow stick is a step in that direction so hopefully we get more stuff like that

[remote flame]

look up what ktjin said a while ago they got on to answer questions but unfortunately that did not go very well because a lot of people got very heated about the changes

[unreal python]

Search up Ktjn#8721's messages here in this channel, there's a few of them from a few hours ago where Ktjn answers questions and discusses the hair with us. The "decision was made a week ago" comment is in there somewhere. I hope this helps!

[copper salmon]

The countless times I’ve missed out on such good cosmetics because they are iap.. tea table.. days of summer umbrella, bat cape from days of mischief, water cape, days of fortune cape, all of these good cosmetics I missed out on because I can’t afford those nor I have the money to spend on games. I feel like I’ve never come across a cosmetic that was free that had the quality of iap cosmetic. Until the cat hair.. oh but then they decided to make it cost.. yeah thanks Tgc for showing me I’m not good enough to have this cosmetic. Is money all we are to you? I get it that you have to make money, that’s understandable but my goodness. Throw the f2p players a bone too..

[trail prairie]

Justice for the hair hiding under the witch hat

Cat hair is close, but still not close enough

[scenic crag]

Is there still hope they change it back?

[eager harness]

I myself love the fire prophet hair, but it gets old after a while. I would love more masculine hair options for sure. I wish that would be expanded on.

[spark lance]

ACK SAME ONG theres so little hairs that fit non binary and the cat hair was my last hope ||sorta|| 😭

(5 min cooldown moment sob)

[vital flare]

yep i have a closet full of hair and only use two of them
i am hoping for a ts with masculine hair like the one that was also for iap in tlp
i was excited for the cat hair because each season and event i wait to see if any masculine hair will be made and it never is
so i am very upset i won't be able to get the one option that has come up after over a year of playing this game
i like the krill hair this season though so maybe i will use that

[oak kite]

Honestly, I've given my feedback. I've given feedback in the #beta-feedback and in this thread as well. But at the end of the day, I seriously have little to no faith that TGC will actually address the cat hair issue. I've lost that much faith in them and in Sky.

If there are any devs in here, just know this. This has rattled a LOT of players and it has made me question if I want to stay in this game.

With that being said, I have to walk away from this thread. I really hope TGC reads all of the feedback they've gotten and reconsider the cat hair, but I doubt they will.

[late sonnet]

could be! make yo thoughts heard in #beta-feedback o7

[limpid pumice]

We need more masculine hairstyle, sad cat moment.

[zinc gate]

yeah.. @spark lance and most of them are even paid..

[spark lance]

Absolutely, we have very few good ones

[shell tangle]

I was re-watching an interview with Jenova Chen from Game Informer,to find a section of it where he talks about the business model of the game but i failed to find it. So I copied this one comment that kinda sums it up. Daedalus Stray 3 yr ago - "This kinda blows. loved thatgamecompany's other games. This guy makes it sound like they're trying really hard to engineer a game for a specific market. Not making something that is just, good. guess if it's free try it but when Jenova Chen spends the first 15 minutes talking about what market group they're aiming for, I lose faith pretty quickly. He's probably just being honest but seriously doubt this kind of thought went in to Flower and Journey. Those games were art pieces. If you enjoy them you enjoy them; if you don't you don't. Ideally they want you to enjoy them but this sounds like they approached it from a business angle first and art second." One reply on him states the reasoning but besides that, i just wanted to bring it here to shed some light on why the IAPs are getting more expensive.

[spark lance]

Yes, despite all the doomsday air it is very possible

[civic current]

There is always hope for a change. I'm sure this is definitely not the type of noise thatgamecompany wants when they are launching the ps version. it would be a very bad move marketing wise. Imagine you're a new moth getting into the game and this is the first thing you hear.

[ancient saddle]

I'm not nb but I don't like my characters fitting in the stereotypes of a certain gender, and less one that I don't identify as 😭

The cooldown is directly hurting my soul

[spark lance]

Rich sky kids be like : well I don't mind the ear cat hair moving to iap since I can afford it but I wish they would fix the mask 😔💅

I would love the addition of longer hairstyles

[fringe osprey]

For sure I cant find any outfits to go with it so it just stays put while I try and find ways to make my outfit look more fashionable. I'm duper excited for season of aurora but am also duper stressed thinking about how buggy its going to be and how much its going to mess with my attempted purchases and I really REALLY do not want the same thing to happen again. Yet I do feel like tlp was alot cheaper than what aurora is going to be which is a bit concerning

[opaque cedar]

It’s super expensive with 29 dollars I can buy a Nintendo money card here

[limber ember]

It's always the ktjn spilling gasoline at the fire 😭 Look at her message same date year ago in genchat with another issue during that time, it's ktjn again making the playerbase go full hate mode (including young me at the time )

[clever sandal]

Same . They keep making the same long braid lol

[spring stone]

Omg, I'm so sorry. That's such a let down and must've been so frustrating. I'm on android and I was also affected by the crashes. The only reason I was able to afford juggler and swordpants was because I had friends who were unaffected and they helped pull my deadweight skykid around at places where it would crash while I struggle to keep the camera backwards. If the camera was in front where there was a lot of details for the game to load, instant crash.

[spark lance]

her/their*
just in case you didn't know

[unreal python]

If that comment is true to what happened in Sky's development, I wonder if this is due to the fact that Flower and Journey were funded and supported by Sony. Which is why Sony owns the rights to those games, whereas Sky is completely owned by TGC. So naturally as the only game they own, they need to find a way to make profit from it to make more games? Just my guess.

[dull venture]

I know right! The game gets so boring to me sometimes that I see some of my friends just jump into Eden because that’s the only thrilling thing to do nowadays I do it too because I love it there’s more good things about eden than the actual gameplay plus you get ✨rewarded✨ everytime you go

[stoic lynx]

REMOVE FOMO

[native stump]

omg I think the same thing!! :D Enchantment is my favorite spirit and I love them so much! I was so happy when I saw the Enchantment icon in the Halloween event (I guess enchantment sponsored it eheh) It would be great if we could also see the Enchantment guide and the Enchantment spirits in the Halloween area :D (I would love to see the enchantment guide with Halloween cosmetics )

[spark lance]

So we upset on how many cosmetics of iap and igc should be put each event?
Because tgc mainly make money from event and season I think. So they need those to pay their bills.
So do we want an equal amount of iap and igc for events? Or okay with more iap and less igc? Or is this more upset that the quality(??uniqueness?, community appreciation?) of igc items seems to be lower than iap. (Cat mask lower in quality ? when made igc. Cat hair was loved and made iap)

[wild horizon]

Considering the Nintendo Pack is 30, Astro cape was 30, kizuna ai was also around that price, I think? It’s most likely going to be 30

[split notch]

29 dollars is like 3 months worth of bills here

[zenith lynx]

Yep, me too. I've learnt I don't even trust tgc. TS are random? Yeah right, then why do 200+ candle TS just so happen to pop up right before an expensive event? Coincidence? I think not. Likewise, I'm not sure how much I buy their story that this was all some kind of communication mistake and cat hair was always meant to be IAP. To me it sounds like they're trying to talk themselves out of it. I hate thinking of tgc as a bunch of liars, but I guess I do now. I was feeling pretty unmotivated to go on sky and do cr / dailies, up until yesterday. Oooh cat hair I finally did a good cr yesterday. Now I feel even more unmotivated because all this leaves such a bad taste in my mouth. Terrible move by tgc. Tbh I just want to find a different game to play at this point

[undone kiln]

IAP items geting expensive more and more😩

[trail prairie]

It's not exactly their fault, TGC is a company, and TGC as a company made the choice. It feels more, reading back though some of the messages, that they can't always find the right words for the time, and that ends up in a lot of hate aimed at them

Be angry where you should be angry, not at the person, but at the company

[wary hollow]

i mean no ill will or hate towards ktjin but...everytime theyve made a response to anything its always added more salt to injury...i feel like if they cannot handle the overwhelming presence of the community then they should simply not come here and answer questions ESPECIALLY to then tell us they wasted precious "off" time to do so. no one forced them here an other admin could have easily taken theyre place to answer us.

[eager harness]

Yes we do!

[merry vault]

I know. In my country it is the same (I am from Honduras). The cape, for example, was a gift from my girlfriend for Christmas, but I hated the moment when my friends (especially a girl) said that I was rich.

Honestly, all I ask is that they return the hair to the way it was. And if they leave it as an iap, at least separate it from the package and leave it as an individual cosmetic like the witch's hat

[empty path]

i see that the cool down finally lowered from 11 minutes beforehand

[terse yarrow]

Ktjn is feminine, if I'm not wrong..
Btw in the cat hair was planned as igc as beta update said with 0.19.0 drop. I believe sagomay is also a community dev like ktjn.

[spark lance]

Don't believe what people say, they're just speculating the price, there's no official price and there's no going to be official price until it make his way into live version (just to clarify, not hating anyone)

[spark lance]

It’s the player base making the player base like this people read so much into that one comment it snowballed out of control

[fluid socket]

tbh it wouldve been better if they just kept the mask the same and didnt downgrade it to be bad for f2p players !!

[spark lance]

Oooof all we want is the hair to go back free

Come on ....we don't bite( maybe we do)💀

[civic current]

i think both are needed in balance. without iaps they make less money, but without free content, you lose a very significant part of your population and players involvement. Both who are a big part of the game and some of the main driving factors of people actually making purchases. your game becomes a ghost town. it's a balance you need to keep in mind.

[vital flare]

that is even worse ;__;
30 usd for the only close to masculine hairstyle that has been made in the whole time i've been playing
besides the recent krill hair which i don't remember if that was iap or not because i bought the season pass </3

[fallow patio]

Why don't they just do something like in a lot of other games: "things in a set are a little cheaper, but you can still buy separately." And at best add "it costs a LOT of candles/candle edem, but you can buy and not grind for a couple of months" for returning IAPs

[signal folio]

No ill will either, but it is a pattern. I think responding to questions in chat can come off as combative too

I think sending out a single statement addressing concerns would work better

[limber ember]

Considering the game is advertised " connect with world" I am not connecting with the prices for the mischief days 🏃

[novel aspen]

Honestly, the simplest solution to this all is just rescinding the decision to make the cat hair IAP, and editing the mask to look a bit more catlike or whatever (IIRC Ktjn said the old design didn’t really fit Sky, so that’s why they changed it, but I think they should spice it up a bit more)

[desert token]

just for clarity, the asteroid cape was $24.99, and kizuna ai pack $19.99

[spring stone]

Omg same. I'm so excited since I'm such a big fan of Aurora and her aesthetics. Her style fits Sky so much. But yeah, here's to hoping there's no game breaking bugs when the season comes. And if Aurora's IAP cosmetics is so expensive, I would cry

[rotund reef]

been wanting skull masks for a long time still can’t believe it hasn’t been done yet like imagine a chibi skull mask and animal skull masks

[zinc gate]

the exact same thing is in fighting games i play , where they put the bundle skins together for cheaper but you can still buy them separately

[subtle juniper]

Here the asteroid cape was 27,99€

[iron nacelle]

the games themes really be shifting from enjoy time with friends to give us money for our dress up game

[dull venture]

I’m American and It upsets me seeing how you guys in different countries have such a price difference and the fact that it seems tgc have no consideration for you guys at least that’s how I see it I can never know but the prices for you guys is ridiculously high it’s high here as well but gosh I wish I had enough money to just buy everybody the things they want 😔😔

[worldly quest]

Mfw sky becomes p2w gacha life 💀💀

[opaque cedar]

Yea and if it gets changed to 30 dollars then it will cost around 700 MXN PESOS YEA 700 MXN PESOS WITH THAT I CAN BUY A FRICKING GAME

[wild horizon]

My mistake, but the Nintendo pack was still max so this hair can’t be much more than that so my statement still stands.

[tardy hazel]

Is there still world war?

[unreal python]

Krill hair is available without the season pass I believe.

[bitter pulsar]

💔

[spark lance]

If the cat mask can make us tiny... (Bc in mischief area i kept being tiny when i pat le cat) Then I don't mind it became IGC.. lol it be my second fave than chibi. Plus it's dark colored! And angry eyes ...

[narrow lake]

I was really happy to finally see a more nonbinary-friendly hairstyle, but now it's out of reach just like most things in this game 😔 it's upsetting because I use my sky kid's appearance to mirror how I wish I looked irl, so it feels very personal to me. I get not everyone plays this way, or cares about cosmetics etc, but it matters to me and it was why sky was my little safe place. I guess it really is time to find a different game that isn't shutting out f2p players as much

[spark lance]

That makes a lot of sense thanks

[native stump]

awwh :(

[thick fossil]

[fringe osprey]

For sure!! I absolutely love her and her music! I just feel like us putting 10 dollars for a season pass every time a season comes should come with all of the perks and maybe even make the iaps associated with that season at a slightly discounted price.
I can see how some people who really cannot buy the season pass that would be unfair but even if its just like 50cents taken off...it would seem more reasonable and definitely a better business practice. But here's to hoping that everything will be reasonable and we all get filthy rich and are able to buy without problems

[echo ermine]

I feel this

[shell tangle]

Yeah, exactly, Sky is TGC's very own child. And with the reference to a theme park with the roller coaster ride, it's fascinating.

[rapid reef]

It's worth noting that TGC as a buisiness has grown more predatory toward their paying players, more disrespectful toward their F2Ps and have explicitly shown they do not care as much as they claims about feedbacks and reports.

This is all from what I can see. Actions speak louder then words and so far TGC as a buisiness has been nothing but hostile toward their players.

[naive trail]

Wait… 25$ for one cape?

[split notch]

30 USD is 6,500 pkr which is like I can buy an instrument with that

[terse yarrow]

Remember when sky was like paradise for people in quarantine time 2020-2021. Now this

[limpid pumice]

A cape that took you and friends to space..

Yes that's it's ability.

[hoary goblet]

It was for a collab and copyrighted, as well as limited. It also has the ability to take you to a whole different area so.. yeah. It's a bit much but it makes sense

[undone kiln]

omg 25$?? oh my..

[cinder chasm]

Yeah unfortunately. I wasn’t really upset until I read the comments from the community dev, the comments came off as unsympathetic, and sarcastic as well as guilting the player base for complaining and making extra work when people are always going to complain about what they feel is lost potential.

Idk I was kind of shocked to see that behavior from a developer who is an adult talking to a player base that’s mostly children. I get that even professional people can get tired and upset at rude comments, and in situations like this it can be hard to make respectful behavior go both ways. We have to do our part too and also point out what we didn’t like in a reasonable way.

[spring stone]

Asteroid cape was RM104 here and RM79 for Kizuna AI

[desert token]

my price is also different from the original one when converted, due to regional tax and differences in fees from apple/google that are outside of tgc’s control. if we’re gonna compare cosmetic prices, it is objectively only fair to use the USD price because that is the intended one

[pliant spoke]

Where can I read that? The response I mean

[rotund reef]

If they would make more items like the asteroid cape then they can take all my money

[dull venture]

Facts💯

[signal folio]

This what they're talking about:

"I have been in here for hours fielding questions and giving insight even though my workday ended a while ago. I haven't eaten dinner, skipped spending time with my partner, and canceled hanging out with friends tonight to be here answering questions. but sure, do go on about not caring."

[stoic lynx]

FYI, both, the masks are the same with just diffirent patterns underneath, boring.

[plush pier]

We still doing the crazy cooldown with no reactions ??

[fluid rain]

Sounds a bit passive agressive

[trail prairie]

They also need to be able to pay to keep servers up and running

The place where the IAPs become unacceptable (for me) is the incredibly high price and the fact that that's all you get. Other games bundle currency and item, and it wouldn't ruin sky's economy to do so either, but instead we're given candles, item, less candles than the pack you pay for or an overpriced candle pack with an item of a value that would otherwise be lesser as a solo item. There is a happy middle ground, but TGC seems a bit allergic to testing it out

[limber ember]

This^^^^
Alex is handling things better than Ktjn
if you cannot handle things professionally why bother

[narrow lake]

a bit?

[ancient saddle]

My friends would call this whole community furry if they knew what we are arguing about rn...

[boreal pelican]

Meow

[native stump]

I just want my sky kid meow meow

[mystic prairie]

I really hope they include both iterations of the cat mask into the game.

[spark lance]

what does profanity mean

a word so sophisticated for swear words

[merry vault]

Here was like 30 and don't even mention the tax that google places when buying.

With $30 dollars I can buy food for 1/2 weeks here.

Even, I don't know if it's just me, but do you all feel that the ap lately is worth it? For this season I didn't even buy it, A friend gave me the pass and I only care about a cape, nothing more

It's like the quality of each season has gone down lately and they're just focusing on the events.

[worldly quest]

swear words lol

honestly mafuyu I agree with you

[limpid pumice]

The no no words. 💀

[versed loom]

Lol people are still arguing??

[rapid reef]

The situation is not over cosmetics, it's over TGC's predatory actions toward it's paying customers, disrespect of their free players and the mistreatment of their communauty's voices by ignoring it over and over.

This entire thing is not about cosmetics, the cat hair is what made the glass overflow. It never was about cosmetics specifically but TGC as a buisiness preying on their playerbase.

[signal folio]

I think it would be more helpful for a single message answering questions to go out.

Based on what ktjn said it seems they elected to answer questions live. I dont think they should've been put in a position to feel they had to do that.

Leaving your employees and volunteer mods to deal with this in their free time has to change.

This is a failing of the company managing this discord.

[spark lance]

it’s slowing down

[plush pier]

Going on the assumption that the movements/changes of the items wasn’t on account of the fans loving the hair, which i doubt is the case, this has been handled badly so far and the change was executed horribly.

[gaunt wharf]

Just add cosmetics to gacha and its done for sky

[clever sandal]

😳

[rotund reef]

Can we just start over? Start this update again please! Go back! Rewind!

[thick fossil]

[naive trail]

Ah i didnt know it had an ability, that explains then. Just thought it was a regular cape

[copper salmon]

Remember when Cat hair costed candles. Ah.. good times…

[lunar zealot]

If you check #beta-announcements it does say that the last 3 emotes will come in 0.19.5

[limber ember]

Just make us roll for cosmetics with candles and play the sky in gacha ways

[neon bloom]

It's sad that TGC doesn't check even if we always send comments and bug reports.

[plain helm]

you'd probably need to steal kira's killer queen to proceed

[fringe osprey]

Its definitely the principles behind the switch of cosmetics. Its like putting a peice of candy in front of a kids face then switching it out for broccoli and trying to say "well we planned to give you this broccoli beforehand" yet still showed the candy.
Its definitely an emotional tug and can make you lose trust especially when people where quite excited to be able to get something that was not going to make them broke

[dull venture]

🙌 💯

[blissful gulch]

No joke i'm going to pay 30 usd for a hair and a cape that i don't even like, that's like 720 pesos of my country, this so lame but coming from TGC it doesn't surprises me anymore

[worldly quest]

KILLER QUEEN, DAISAN NO BAKUDAN: BITES ZA CAT HAIR!!

[ancient saddle]

I've noticed this problem practicly since I started playing, the community basically carries the game itself and gets nothing in exchange, similar to what happens in Minecraft, lots of mods, servers and content done by the community and in exchange they barely get any updates to the game and got introduced an atrocious skin and texture dlc system... I was just messing around with that message

[fluid socket]

(ignore this my discord wont let me open up the chat)
#beta-feedback

[spark lance]

classic bait, can't believe it was honest mistake on their side

[versed loom]

oh you're right

[signal folio]

Exactly, even if it was truly always destined to be IAP it still LOOKEDvery much like they wanted to see player reaction, saw the positive response they wanted, and the made it IAP.

They can't redo how events played out, but they should be more careful in the future when releasing new items.

[sacred spade]

The chat has calmed down a bit

Still 5 minute cooldown

[spark lance]

you are quite right about that. but tcg doesn't care how we feel but how much we spend

[plush pier]

I feel like it only looks like that because of the fact that theres a 5 minute cooldown and still no reactions.

[native stump]

that's exactly how i feel :(

[dusky sedge]

YES EXACTLY!! I’m not even disappointed as much with the currency issue, my main disappointment is that this move seemed like the devs are not being as transparent as possible with us players, as much as miscommunication happens, there’s no way this involves with the iaps AND the changed design in the mask right? It doesn’t seem as accidental as they make it to be, and I don’t like the fact that they seemed like their hiding away their true intentions. If you would’ve just flat out say it, I’m sure a lot more people would’ve treated it like iap instead of this entire understandable outrage

[rotund reef]

slowly pulls uno reverse card out of pocket you do it

[gilded parrot]

Quick reminder!

Use this channel discuss Days of Mischief or other Beta-related topics! This keeps discussions organized in this testing phase.
For Season of AURORA chatter, head to #beta-season-test-chat
💭 Continue to send your feedback in #beta-feedback! This chat isn't a replacement for that.

[cinder chasm]

Here’s links so you can read some of the comments and decide. Part of the issue is these replies are in regular chat and get buried so people don’t know that a developer intervened and end up missing the information. I think it would have been better if one response was issued in an announcement channel.

1. #beta-discussion message

2. #beta-discussion message

3. #beta-discussion message

4. #beta-discussion message

[swift wedge]

i am just hoping for the best update... Sigh

[pliant spoke]

Maybe am being over dramatic but maybe a strike would work
Ex. Stop paying for anything in the new days of (also not Next season but the one after maybe cause we don’t wanna drag someone down that has no control )
Lately ( as of the last few months ) tgc has become in increasingly predatory towards players who are willing to pay irl money, this is horrible for so many but especially
Tgc really showed there colors this time tbh 💀

[tame zinc]

look like everyone fight for cat ears hair justice

[dull venture]

I honestly don’t know why they got mad at us I would think that this situation was common sense🤔I would change the hair back and fix my practices that my community is upset about I don’t think that would be too hard I mean it’s the humane thing to do it’s just common courtesy and it’s the right and good thing to do for the people and the game❤️

[worldly quest]

me: pokes kira with a stick gently look buddy we need your help here. pls rewind time for us? pls? 👁️👁️
kira:

[fringe osprey]

Fr! And it honestly breaks my heart

[spark lance]

If it was announced as an IAP first, all this anger wouldn't exist, maybe just some feedbacks about pls make sure the prices are reasonable bc there's so many IAPs.

But anyway, what are we suppose to do abt the person in the jail at mischief area? Do we have to rescue him or sth? Is that Jenova?
That angry emote appear whenever i near him but nothing happen 🤔

[subtle juniper]

27,99€ are almost 30$. Does that sound fair to you? :)

[haughty moat]

offer hands to the hand god

[north stream]

Make cat hair igc everyone happy, yeah? Idk I'm too tired to care about it anymore 😭 i just want it to be IGC for my friend's sake ngl

[fluid socket]

i think it be fine if the cat mask is the same and not downgraded for some reason !! then it make more sense

[blissful gulch]

EXACTLY, they clearly put it for free at the beginning to experiment with us and see if we liked it or not, and seeing that we loved it they change it as IAP, they LITERALLY PLAYED US FOR FOOLS, you don't think it's too lame and dirty way to make money?...

[spark lance]

[spark lance]

exchange rate: exists
not fair to use only USD as it's very much different in several countries

[merry vault]

This is just an opinion, but...

I think we got to this point since there are a lot of people saying, "I'd pay anything to have that cosmetic" like owl hair.

They realized from the previous season that many are willing to pay anything because thanks to penguin hair, many people bought the pass.

[light blaze]

Was looking for the hair in game but couldn't find it, now that I know what happened I'm kinda upset

[knotty shale]

How are the cat mask changing to look more plain and become a IGC, and the cat hair now being an IAP, are different topics if they both serve perfectly to emphasize the same point: these decisions and changes that were "wrong" at first and were fixed, are a very well example of the priority places between economy and customer satisfaction. There's a very well established priority over the former, than the latter.

The difference between what has happened with this item and making an item Season Pass available, is that not only is the season pass $10.00 USD, while the Days of [Something] packs will always cost above $25.00 USD. The timing of everything also made it extra fishy, making people believe that the company was waiting for customers' reactions at first, to then change the product at the last second, due to positive receiving and priority over making a buck or two.

It isn't about the mask. It isn't about the cosmetics. It's about the poor communication, and what seems to be the start of a very predatory behavior towards the customers' wallets.

If this change was really made a week ago (which is a very long spam of time for you to say something about it), then why wasn't anything even remotely mentioned in the patch notes. That's also very suspicious.

[fast skiff]

Please be considerate and refrain from pinging developers while they are not active in chat. You can disable ping my tapping @ ON to turn them off next time.

[remote flame]

umm didn't they say that a while ago? is it even ok tp reply to them at this point because that might count as a cold ping. i

[fringe osprey]

Fr! We might as well be walking wallets to them now

[dull venture]

Agreed and what’s more crazy is that in the chat a mod just talked about how people who play this game are from around the world when someone told someone who didn’t speak English that this is an English only chat (which is true)

[lament belfry]

...yikes.

[errant ember]

my question is......... are the people buying these iaps making up for what tgc would earn if they were lower priced?? bc i doubt it 🧐
so many more people would buy if iaps were lower priced, so now only a few people buy it...... i don't think it adds up, even if the iap's cost is increased
it's.... strange, to say the least. more money = less buyers. less money = more buyers.

[spark lance]

But tgc is based in US so why would they use something other than usd? Also if anyone can answer is there a different game that handles currency exchange well? I honestly have no idea how tgc could deal with items being expensive in other countries because of currency exchange.

[cobalt inlet]

wow people are still talking about iaps

[native stump]

By doing less IAP

[next spear]

maybe not charging ridiculously expensive prices to begin with

[swift wedge]

That's exactly what I thought! If they lower the price, they dont need to worry because more people will buy it because it's affordable!

[shell tangle]

Wait!! There's a person in jail at the mischief area?? While my android beta is stuck in the sea again??

[mild mason]

I honestly didn’t see anything bad from her replies. Everyone is being very aggressive and it’s only one person replying to all the players commenting. Like you say mostly children and that is how the attitude and actions are looking. Things are constantly changing if it was originally suppose to be IAP but wasn’t pushed through on the first update nothing we can do about it. There’s a lot of items that are free. Nothing wrong with having some things exclusively to money. Money that I’m sure goes towards the game. I don’t mind paying money for the cat hair as it helps keep the game alive.

[spark lance]

Guys do we have any hope that the cat hair style will come back as a in game currency item? 😭

[spark lance]

it's not just how could they deal, og comment was about comparing cosmetic prices and like it's only fair compare usd price, not converted ones
when imo we should also care about converted ones

[rapid reef]

Funny enough, TGC has always been predatory toward their customer ever since I started playing.(Between Sanctuary and enchantment.)

I've only seen TGC grow more and more exploitative of the fear of missing out they themselves created.

The arguments people like to use to defend TGC is often that IAPs aren't obligatory to enjoy the game. The game has been so heavily cosmetics centered that it create regrets for those who skip, resentment for those who see their friend gifts other people but not them, envy to those who can't afford it. And all of that eventually create a fear of missing out. Because look is so vital to the game by now it can't be separated from the base experience.

And TGC is using that to prey on their paying customer, pushing people to pay by disrespecting their free players and mistreating their communauty's voice by ignoring feedbacks and reports.

TGC, as a buisiness, has always been predatory in my opinion and it only got worst because we have allowed them to get to this stage.

[merry vault]

My sister plays on Huawei.
The prices comes on our country currency but always being the same as you pay with dollars. It's always expensive

[plain helm]

alright sure lmao walks in a silly way towards japan expecting david bowie to live there

[strong sentinel]

Someone didn't really encounter real gaslighting huh...

[glad ember]

I just wish they didn’t change the cat mask

[mystic prairie]

Although I dislike the change from a business perspective, thats how companies maximize profit. If something is highly received, that's a way to gain more money. However, the pricing and balance between f2p is not present at all. IAPs are already frequently presented in events, with high prices. Understandable its their company and choice but the price comes into question with items like the marshmallows stick. In addition to that, free items costing more candles. With prices that has be grinded in preparation but who wants to waste time out of their day to collect an amount that is just barley enough. Hopefully there is eventually a balance where both the player base is heard and tgc can still get revenue.

[rotund reef]

david bowie rip 😭

[knotty shale]

I am not paying $30.00 for a freaking marshmallow on a stick in a fictitious game. I can LITERALLY get a marshmallow package for about 3 dollars, and a stick in nature for FREE.

[twilit kernel]

How do I get in the beta?

[patent skiff]

As many opinions and things I’ve seen here, I feel as if there won’t be a change... Just like most things there were complaints for 🥲

[fast skiff]

You may read #beta-faq to learn more about how the beta program works !

[spark lance]

So it’s not really the currency exchange that’s the issue but that everything in general is expensive? I guess I don’t understand why currency exchange is brought up when the conclusion is it’s expensive regardless of currency type.

@spark lance I guess my question is why should we compare or care with converted prices? It is expensive regardless of currency yes?

what happened to TGC?? I genuinely thought they were better than this, I really wanted to believe that for the longest time.
idk I guess I was wrong

[fringe osprey]

I just feel the hurt from everyone here and its absolutely heartbreaking. I wish you all good luck with this situation and manifest that all of you are able to buy and enjoy the iaps without going broke and still being able to take care of yourselves. I'm signing off cause this is just too much. I dont want to lose hope but it seems like no matter what we say, our voices will never be considered definitely time for some tea

[spark lance]

The question is, if tcg is going to sell cosmetics, why sell them at ridiculously high prices? If the occasional prices are more accessible, they will have even more sales. Why ask $10 for a hair? I think they are not thinking things through. In addition, they excite you with an article that is supposed to come for free and in the end they end up selling it, it is something ridiculous and cruel, they play with our emotions

[spring stone]

And time for sleep for me lol. It's 3am here hahahhaha

[strong sentinel]

For 30 USD I can buy a nice autumn coat in my country for the season.
Sooo... Am I willing to waste that amount on pixel hair? No 💔
They need a specialist to deal with prices regionally tbh. And bring cat hair back to igc

[unreal geode]

Sorry if this is an unpopular opinion... the cat hair is disappointing, but do understand that they need to make money. Sky is such a huge game to work on without being able to rely on either game sales or ad money.
IAP cosmetics and season pass is their only income source. Compared to so many free to play games, TGC is extremely light with their microtransactions. They don't restrict any gameplay behind paywalls. You need to understand that being able to support global servers is expensive, as well as the devs who work hard on the game. They do try to make cheaper cosmetics, but there is nothing they can do about the difference in international currencies, since having different prices in different regions would be easily exploited.

[merry vault]

As I just said a moment ago, and remembering that it is only my personal opinion...

I think we got to this point since there are a lot of people saying, "I'd pay anything to have that cosmetic" like owl hair.

They realized from the previous season that many are willing to pay anything because thanks to penguin hair, many people bought the pass.

[austere merlin]

Tgc has not always been predatory but I have been noticing to a little more with teh prices of some objects

[agile fractal]

I loved this game so much, now tgc is making me hate it, not only for the cat hair thing, but for every bug and season, for me it's a downgrade, thinking about quiting soon 😦

[next spear]

I mean like, what is already expensive in USD gets even >more< expensive when converted, like... 20 usd for a marshmallow and a couple candles? 😟

Now the cat hair will be EVEN more expensive, because it's in a bundle. It doesn't sit right with me

[spark lance]

does anyone know whats going to become of the original cat mask? 🥺 I feel like im being spited and trolled with this angry moff mask 😭 the original cat mask made me so happy and i feel robbed 😭 like will there be two masks or did something happen and this is what we have now? quq

[gilded parrot]

A "moth" is a new player. They have brown wings, they flap around uncontrollably, and they are drawn to flame!

[spark lance]

in some currencies it's just not same as intended
in some is much more expensive than others
so idk would be easier just lower price or more curency options to pick

[elder musk]

It’s a cute “little” quest 😂

[slender furnace]

what cats hair didn't cost 66 candles !?
I've missed a episode...

[rapid reef]

That is your opinion and you're allowed to believe so. One of my friend think the same way.
However, I speak from since I started playing and that I noticed the degrade in TGC's buisiness action toward the communauty. I speak from my point of view and experience. Just like you are.

[pliant spoke]

Watch this

https://youtu.be/uW-mzUOWiSI

[native stump]

cat pack consisted of mask and cape. When they saw that hair was popular, they changed the place of mask and hair. The sentence "they need to make money" does not change this disappointment.And I want you to know that there are 9 IAPs and only 4 IGC items in the halloween event. For me, it's not "need for money", it's greed.

[spark lance]

Do we have hope that the cat hair style will come back as a in game currency item?

If no then it seems that Tgc doesn't care about their players feedbacks/opinion and makes it worse to communicate with the community.

It also shows that they care only about money 😕

[winter garden]

||remember that every time is the right time to boycott them😉||

[spark lance]

the fact that they arguably made this change because so many people liked how the hair was free/loved the hair makes me think many are going to boycott TGC which surely can’t be good for them

[upbeat furnace]

I honestly hope they just get the message and change the cat hair back to igc and not pull this kind of stunt again

[loud raptor]

30 USD is my allowance for a month💔 I guess I can't spend it for hair in a fantasy game 😢

[keen arch]

Sorry ask guys but wat mean "Boycott"? 🤠

[remote flame]

from what i am seeing from the whole cat hair thing, tgc should have better communication between the devs and the people in charge of releasing beta update notes. it's negligence on their part to have allowed the update to pass saying the cat hair was planed to be an igc item when it was already planned not to be before it was released. there should have been a note somewhere that they were going to change that...

[patent skiff]

||Revolution!! At last! ||

[zenith lynx]

Some people have hope but I personally don't tbh. I mean people hated the crawling mechanism but tgc didn't listen, bugs that were reported but never fixed, etc. Beta testers seem to have provided feedback to a brick wall these past couple of months and I sadly don't see that changing. In any case it's better to prepare for the worst and get pleasantly surprised then to have high expectations and get disappointed.

[plain helm]

its by purposefully not giving a single penny to a company for a certain amount of time until they'll do smth about it

something like that

[spark lance]

||they deserve that tbh..||

[fast nebula]

Beamo, I think you missed that Ktjn wrote that the decision had been made a week before, but it hadn't been possible to put the result into the game right at the start.

[slender furnace]

that disgusting 😕

[cinder chasm]

Everyone has their own opinions on this for sure. I agree that the player response was harsh and players should be respectful as possible. A lot of this is more about what people feel is inadequate communication than making items that cost money. If the change of an item being free to costing money was tentatively planned for a week, they could have just mentioned that in the patch notes or said there was a miscommunication. I have spent money on this game to support it and also want to keep it alive, and sadly I feel like the recent events were handled poorly.

[thin stag]

You're right!

[errant badge]

Any news or announcement ?

[rapid reef]

Boycotting something is not investing money in that thing until changes happens. So witholding our money from purchasings any further thing in the game.

And IAPs will return next year in most if not all cases, specially for events. So it's 100% a good idea to boycott events by not investing in it. Because in the long run, it will push them to decrease cost and listen to the player more.

TGC is a buisiness. They only see us as wallets. So the best counter measure against them explicitly charging a lot while pumping out IAPs is to not purchase anything until changes can be seen.

[spark lance]

yyy ... for boycott you would need very reasonable reason
someone could do a gdoc like thing with all stuff mentioned today like dor, hiding charities, miscommunications etc

[spark lance]

As they saw that everyone was happy with the hair, they decided to break our hearts now the hair is an IAP

[quaint grove]

was genuinely so excited for cat hair just for it to become an iap 🙁

[crude tapir]

I feel like IAPs are fine and reasonable in some cases
but I also feel like they need to understand that no one has the capacity to get one, including me, since the translated prices to my coin is pretty poorly handed

[plush pier]

Feels like an unpopular opinion but the community hasn’t been “too harsh” towards TGC in any way. Imo, it isnt harsh enough. Maybe this comes with how sanatized the server is but nobody has done anything wrong in my eyes. We shouldn’t let TGC or anyone involved just walk all over us, compliance and “peace” wont help.

[exotic falcon]

I don't understand the reason to remove the cat mask from the iap pack if they are going to change the make for the igc one. Why not package 3 cosmetic the cat looking mask, hair and cape. This would probably make the pack feel worth more 🤔

[remote flame]

does anyone think the cat hair still would have been as popular if it was an iap from the start?

[keen arch]

@plain helm @rapid reef
Tysm! 🌹

[worldly quest]

^^^this all the way

[zinc gate]

so you're saying "let's have less free items!" instead?

[plain helm]

you're welcome!

[vital flare]

personally i wouldn't have bothered getting excited over a hair that is in a 30 usd pack
but i don't know if others feel the same

[lament belfry]

this.

[upbeat furnace]

Tbh I kinda agree, they won’t do anything if we don’t make enough of a fuss

[blissful gulch]

That they don't restrict the gameplay experience behind a pay wall? Bro literally THE ENTIRE GAMING EXPERIENCE OF SKY REVOLVES AROUND COSMETICS, besides that have you seen all the events in sky? Days of Rainbow Days of Nature Lazy Days Days of Days and Days etc, because in these events literally 6 out of 7 cosmetics are IAP, and the worst of all cosmetic is the free one, Tgc it's a millonaire company, they are not the cute wholesome and starving indie group as you think dude

[shy knoll]

heavily agree with you on this one, since the change of the cat hair and cat mask i’ve seen so many people say that we shouldn’t be too harsh on TGC, and that they are reading our feedback and understanding what we want so we would just need to be peaceful, which hasn’t worked out at all lmao

[sweet sand]

Yes I agree

[mild mason]

If it does stay IAP I just hope they pair it with the first cat mask and not the cape 😭😭😭