beta-discussion

[spark lance]

Being profitable at the expense of how your playerbase views you? Yeah TGC isn't in the best light as it is

[restive compass]

I'll be damn honest here, with all the comparisons to gacha, you all are forgetting tgc is also predatory in their own way. Expensive limited time cosmetics thus causing FOMO and can cause impulse buying.
Then may I add, in gacha games f2p players can actually get premium units WITHOUT SPENDING if they manage their resources plus those said units actually help in gameplay unlike cosmetics in sky.

[spark walrus]

at this point, the cat mask losing its cat-like appearance makes it more like a generic "evil" or "angry" mask and should probably be called that if they're not gonna change the design back

[limber mason]

Waht is TGC?

[sand dawn]

200 candles for a hair? as if that wouldn’t upset people..

I’d put cat hair for 9 hearts, because cats have 9 lives :3

[dark iris]

All of that is fair and valid, but it doesnt change the fact that they overprice their items like nothing, and having to pay the bills and employees isnt an excuse.
For example warframe is free to play with constant free content updates where everything is available to you with a little bit of farm but they still make money from bundles from people who dont want to farm and with constant giveaways they still can produce excellent updates and pay everything they need to pay. TGC is just greedy and it's finally starting to show

[fluid cobalt]

imo
50 : 50
they bring back with expensive price or keep it as an iap item-

[strange kindle]

That Game Company, the company that made Sky ^^

[real hull]

I mean, isn't it all about collecting cosmetic? I can't even understand the story in the season of shattering. like fr

[undone kiln]

agree agree

[sand rune]

Yeah hey yeah HEY
YEAH WHERE THE CHEAP IGCS AT HUH
last time I saw a good TWO DIGIT candle IGC was like forever ago

[spark lance]

Who designed the new cat mask 💀
I'm sorry buddy but it's so ugly 😂
It's more like a ant than a cat

[potent juniper]

TGC when they were like; this is a social game :D
TGC being greedy: lol 11 IAP's suck it broke people
Also we're upset about this event solely because it's just unfair for people who cannot afford to spend so much money on a game. There are so many variables included in the event of paying for it (saving money, can't afford, ect). TGC must be blind to this though. The cat mask is a slap in the face, literally. That doesn't look like a cat, whatsoever. I'd prefer at least 3 IAP's that aren't so expensive. The small amount of people who are willing to buy every IAP won't fund TGC due to reluctance for anyone else buying it for it's ungodly amount.
We aren't rich, and I think TGC may be forgetting that.
Once again, apologies for the text wall.

[stuck cypress]

I would like to ask, how long will it take to qualify for the test?

[full dagger]

Yes please.. TGC just please do this if ur not gonna change ur mind about the hair T~T

[ocean cedar]

There's barely any lore in the game and the gameplay is literally just collecting cosmetics especially for a solo player.
Ofc ppl will be mad that the only new content they have is behind a paywall.

[north patrol]

So much feedback was given during Season of Shattering in beta, yet when it came to live zero changes were made and it was just as buggy. Many issues and bugs have been reported and they have yet to be changed/fixed. Like the bug where some randoms disappear when they sit on the table, that’s been ongoing for quite a while now. It’s a recurring issue every now and then, and it’s still not properly fixed. And how about when your screen sometimes turns white when you turn left to fly into the Prairie cave? That issue has been here for a long time, why hasn’t it been fixed?

If you look at the beta FAQ, it says that as a tester, you’re meant to give feedback on new and existing features. And they also say to include things you like and dislike. This applies to IAPs as well.

Yes, the company has to earn money. That’s nothing short of surprising to anyone. But at least be transparent about it. Ktjn mentioned that the decision to change the cat hair and cape to IAP was made about a week ago. But with the amount of positive feedback with regards to the cat hair as an IGC, I don’t think it would have killed to let the hair stay as an IGC item. With so much positive reception to the item that was free, why did they still ultimately decide to update it to an IAP? I don’t think it’s wrong to leave nice items as an IGC every now and then, seeing as how most of the time, the non AP-items are also less appealing compared to AP-locked items.

[finite sable]

What in your mind thought this is acceptable feedback? You can be angry, but this is straight up hateful and hurtful. Please do not leave comments like this here. We want to be a loving community.

[abstract roost]

I agree 1,000,000 percent 💯💯💯💯 the cat mask looks so stupid I wish who designed prophecy season and dreams season and little prince season comes back maybe they changed the designer

[spice zodiac]

i'm gonna be honest i'm especially complaining about iaps being this expensive because i firmly believe there's no way they are making more money by pricing iaps 20+ dollars than if they just priced them 5$ giving more people the opportunity to buy purely aesthetic items from their game (also aint no way the slowdown and reactions are still like this i just woke up help)

[fluid scaffold]

Maybe someone would like to talk to me about cat ear hair accessories.

[royal mantle]

Prophecy and gratitude masks are GOAT

[unreal python]

Addressing pricing is another lengthy subject and is innately nuanced with opinions depending on where a person lives in the world and their financial income.

In any case, I** did not say** I agreed with the costs of items priced in Sky. I only mentioned that we should not consider gacha systems to be a better way of monetizing games, and that I was grateful that Sky doesn't have a gacha system.
(Well...aside from resize potions. But at least you don't spend real money on those.)

[indigo garden]

it's simply called marketing strategy tbh other items previously were reasonably priced, but imo you should totally consider whether or not an item is worth your money or not first instead of blindly collecting. it's a give or take.

edit: I'm not saying that most of the things are not overpriced, they are. More so when sometimes it does not come with the things we want to have. Though tbh the whole marketing team suddenly going "OH YEAH THIS IS A CUTE ITEM WHERE WE COULD TOTALLY REAP CASH FROM" was a horrible decision. I relate to all the rage here honestly, but more than often IAP has come into consideration as to why they are that expensive. Animation budget aren't cheap.

[naive trail]

This!! THIS!! Ive been trying to say this for so long. Even the heart system absolutely bothers me! “Hearts are supposed to be special gifts from close friends so publicly trading them isnt allowed” BUT THEN WHY DO I NEED IT TO GET 80% OF THE ITEMS IN THE GAME???😭 it makes NO SENSE! And now with all these iaps too its just becoming a p2w collector game. Not a fun place to hangout with your friends and do cute things together

[glacial bolt]

I'm comparing the two because of netease, idv is handled better: major bugs are fixed in minutes to hours while sky servers might be down for 4 to 10 hour once a week, it's about the money when it comes to keeping your game working because you only make money when your player get to play. Many android users have quit the game simply because tgc doesn't care about their android users. We buy IAPs and we get our updates 3 days too late as we saw, android has so many bugs and problems, my fps is literally 1 frame per 2 seconds mostly and it's not bc of my phone or connection.
Sky has developed a bad IAP habit and they make more money but the game gets worse at every update imo.
Not even idv is this frustrating to be a player of sometimes. I'm having hard time enjoying Sky, if it weren't for my friends, I would've uninstalled it a long time ago.

[devout obsidian]

The cat's mask has been changed

[hollow falcon]

We already know, you're kinda late bud

P.s: there goes my 11 minutes cooldown

[limpid moat]

Finally i have send bug report about the meditation after finishing red shards. Why is this bug happening season of Shattering has been long ended why we still have bug to enter memories to the point it sky beta crashed this is absurd

[ember gulch]

I. NEED. THE. HALLOWEEN. CAT. HAIRSTYLE. MUST. BE. FREE. I. MUST. PAY. IN. CANDLES.

[wraith agate]

(cooldown goes brrrrrrr)
Flashbacks to the triumph instrumennts, i really wonder how did it go in sales wheezee

[spring ibex]

If they really want people to pay for a cat ears then MAKE A CAT EARS ACCESORRY AND MAKE THAT IAP, LET THE CAT HAIR IGC

[warm eagle]

when a season about a singer has more lore than a lore filled season.

[agile hazel]

Just going to preface this with I know TGC is not a small/indie company by any means. However 100+ employees is nothing compared to 18,000+, plus Netease would have a lot more resources. So it would make sense that Netease handles the game better

[spark lance]

thats it i will quit if sky devs are going to the way of this tick-a-tock on the clock players are quitting sky tgc better make a decision

[fallow delta]

The business and market practices are appalling. Are they really so out of touch and deaf to their own player base?
Not that it matters when the minority that always buys into them exists and will be milked like tgc’s little cash cows

[lusty iron]

think it would've been cool if they added dark parts that look like cat pupils in the eyeholes

[cosmic orchid]

I set aside a budget for the Mischief iaps and after this whole fiasco I decided "nope"
So I bought Deep Rock Galactic and for once, it felt like the best decision I did for a while, the game is soo fun!
definitely worth the price than one or 2 cosmetics 🤌

[unkempt cypress]

Fr season of aurora will be my last season, I'll say bye to all my friends and then vanish

[proper inlet]

As i suspected the arguing is still going xD
I hope they revert the changes soon

[bright portal]

The fact 90% of arguments of sky cotl revolves around cosmetics shows the real issue of this game

The game is just turning into a clothing simulator, basically Habbo (but safe for kids, even that game has more customization haha). You can see bugs and performance issues still happening the game , and the game doesn't have heavy content that appeals long term players. I can't say about the upcoming season , but from what i understand for the past few seasons , content has more focused towards fancy cosmetics more than lore and fun things u can do in sky. Many argue that sky is more of a game where u make your own fun, but i doubt it works long term as sky isnt a game like Minecraft , where u can express creativity by making ur own things ( shared spaces don't count tbh, its restricted to a spot and there's limited props u can put)
Suffice to say , after being here for a long time now , this game doesnt being me any oopmh update after update , and that is a serious issue.

[paper topaz]

I afraid TGC will make a terrible example about popular avatars always turn to IAP eventually

[sand dawn]

I’m gonna toss in a different perspective here, so all of you who are angry about having too many IAP for Days of Mischief can rethink their position..

• There are so many IAP in Days of Mischief because this is year 3 of it returning and all the IAP from previous years are available because if they were not you’d all have even more to rage about.

If all this anger goes on like this, what if TGC decides to just not offer legacy IAP anymore?
No one is forced to buy everything, only buy what you like best and ignore the rest!

All that said, I do agree that the ratio of IAP vs IGC is not pretty if you look at DoF only.
so on that point I’d say it’s valid feedback.
but look at the bigger picture and see just how much cosmetics are available for IGC from the base constellations, TS and other events and that ratio looks very different.

[coarse adder]

I completely agree

[potent juniper]

Honestly TGC is falling off lore wise. Shattering is just 'ooh shards, clean them' with these random memories. I wish it had the same charm as past seasons, even prophecy was more fun than shattering, and they're supposed to have the same 'gameplay' focus. TGC says they'll listen to feedback but quite frankly I think they turn it down anyway in favour for making more paywall content. I'm sick of the lack of content and the rush of travelling spirits. It's just a grinding game now for cosmetics and it's terrible. I miss 2020 sky, so much. 2020 Sky was just me hanging out and meeting people on the game as intended and now it's just grinding half the time.

[clever jetty]

As it should tbh. I can sense very bad pricing in the future. This game is turning into a collection game instead of what they're telling us . Ngl most of what tgc says about their game is lies

[spark walrus]

That would look cool AND spooky having big glowing yellow cat-eyes you could see from a distance like this

[spark lance]

True this, plus they nuked favorite method to go OOB. Ppl who play to explore now almost hv nothing to do anymore and are quitting bc they are not interested to play dress up game

[spark lance]

Yes exactly!!!
I think netease is doing a very great job I really enjoy playing the game!
And then we got sky just being full of bugs devs care about the price of iaps more than the game quality and the quality is getting worse day by Day
It's getting even harder for android players and when they close the game it's so annoying at first it was ok but now it's becoming a habit for em
It's literally very bad and they seem to not really care as if they don't see the feedbacks
I personally think they will lose a lot of players my friends all left long ago and I might leave as well

[spark lance]

exactly, 2020 sky was absolutely the best

[real hull]

yea yea, just like the prince season, they explain it atleast

[fervent vortex]

just feels like a clothing game more than a social game

[jade arrow]

Do you know Gucci's reputation? Comparing TGC to Gucci is just accepting its downfall. On one hand you compare them w/ commissioning artists, on the ther hand you compare them with a luxury brand. This isn't their a 100% final decision but it will be if there's no complaint. Or, let's say, that means you accept Sky to become a game catered to those with money in their wallets. The benefit gap between those who can pay and not is too much, and that's not because IAP are extra good but rather IGP are bad. Accept that you agree with TGC excluding players who can't afford their ridiculous price tags. At least some games are more up front about it, letting people leave if it's not for them than investing time and memories into it. (Dragon Raja I'm looking at you.) If Sky was an open source game and someone made the cat hair for high price no one complain this much. But this is systematic and chronic exclusion by developers in a multi-player game.

If we really had no choice in their pricing then what's the point of having feedback? Just a illusion? Might as well as shut up and let them do wbarever as rich people do irl.

Customization is what is bringing and keeping so many players in this game. By making many desirable Customization options expensive IAPs, the company is just harming themselves.

[ocean cedar]

For the small company excuse

Stardew Valley literally only have ONE person making it and yet it's not even a buggy mess.

[graceful widget]

Guys, has the cat hair changed back to being exchanged for candles?

[native kiln]

You make a good point but I domt 100 percent agree. I think a lot of discussion about cosmetics is because they're one of the main sources of income for TGC, and since they are part of the main game, people are more angry about the trend towards more IAP items than IGC. It's hard to make a game like sky without a focus on cosmetics as that's what gives everyone individuality and fun items like firework sticks or the marshmallow sticks make the game more fun with friends

[abstract roost]

Loving community seriously you’re kidding me making the prices that crazy with this 120 dollars I would started a new business I am quitting the game all the best companies never made there prices high like( clash of clans , hungry dragon , hungry shark, soccer stars, genshin impact , asphalt 8 , asphalt 9 , yugi yo duel links there prices are not crazy like the fake friendly “TGC

[burnt jolt]

It's just a in game costmetic which will not effect your real life whatsoever...... I'd say just don't spend your or your parents hard earned money on a game you'll get bored of it sooner or later

[limpid ocean]

THIS! I APPROB.

[unreal python]

I too wish for faster bug fixes, believe me! I am not an android player, but I do feel bad for the variety in quality android players experience.
It is important to note that Netease is an absolutely massive company full of hundreds, perhaps thousands of people. So it is natural that they are faster at fixing things.
We can hope that as TGC and Sky grows that they can reach that same quality too.

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@ocean cedar Stardew Valley isn't a live service game though, correct? (I haven't played, forgive me if I'm wrong) I understand it's multiplayer, but to my understanding when you buy it you get the complete game with no constant updates. So the 1 guy could have spent years perfecting it before it released, and not worrying about introducing new bugs with new content like a live service game does.

[restive compass]

The thing is, people aren't mad about the cosmetic itself. It's about this company being si money hungry they cut the quality of content and slap a HUGE pay wall on nearly everything

[spark lance]

we're not begging for anything, we're just not rich as the TGC assumes. If we have to pay, ok, but let it be for fair values ​​and that the majority can pay. The game is getting less inclusive.

[elfin delta]

It has been 12 hours

[sharp ice]

dang fr

[devout obsidian]

Ah, okay, thanks to the greedy developers for that. So much money they make and they still don't have enough. Maybe just stop donating, and cut off that income for them, although it's unlikely to work. It's a shame that the Skye that used to be turned into a donation ****

[austere minnow]

what a mess

[urban raft]

I wonder if they have been making so many IAPs lately because inflation has been so bad in the U.S.? Though honestly it seems stuff like this has been happening even before that…

[topaz rapids]

You're all still going? Maybe everyone should take a and do some stretches and get a drink or something, staying hydrated is important

[pulsar blade]

The discussion over the price swap of the cat items not yet done right? But the beta notes said “during testing”. So as long as its not released yet officially , we can constructively voice out our thoughts of the matter. Matter which will favor both sides i guess. Lets just hope for the best

[olive hamlet]

Gudluck guys

[hollow falcon]

It's sad to witness this tbh and I have to agree with you, I'm thinking of quitting if they won't change the hair into igc for f2p players to enjoy

[spark lance]

so theres lots of people defending tgc by saying "why are all of the players are angry at tgc for only a cat hair?" We are not only angry for that. Tgc kept making this, whenever a cosmetic gets so much love, it is changing to IAP. WHATS THE POINT WITH THIS IF SKY IS A FAMILY-FRIENDLY GAME?????? please tgc dont left out the f2p players we are players too I will quit if TGC kept making things iap

[dusk geyser]

lowkey happy ppl are being more vocal, especially with the trainwreck that was shattering and everything else that built up to this

[fallow delta]

Who is in charge of any of these decisions? That sly, underhanded choice to hide prices from beta is a clear ploy to avoid backlash from packs before they hit live, because once they do they can’t be changed. The lazy reskins, the wilful ignorance, the sidestepping of feedback, the anti-player base decisions, the lacklustre updates and “content”, their priorities. They are actively fighting against the average player and appealing to the top % who will shill their will out for tgc.
Cutting corners and failing to even maintain the game while spending time crafting quick little packs that sell for an arm and a leg for profit. They aren’t the “little guys” anymore, they are a company and deserve to be held to some standard. Especially if they’re for-profit.

The prices themselves. They aren’t adjusted for anywhere. Outrageous as they are for those who operate in the US dollar, they’re even worse abroad. Some places have to choose between rent or some stupid little invisible cosmetic. That, and predatory marketing and practices with fomo…it’s absolutely abhorrent…but that’s not gonna change, is it. I feel tgc is on a downwards spiral hereon out and they’ll keep playing the “quirky small dev” card while their pretty little gooses throw their wallets at them.

[silk valley]

Sorry for derailing but did the aurora stadium update remove the night valley oob? Like it’s completely inaccessible?

[thin stirrup]

I legit can buy real pants with the price of the mischief pants in my country💀

[worldly wren]

Can the cat prop effects be disabled until they find a solution?? The harassment makes beta unbearable

[lusty iron]

wonder when reactions will come back and the slowmode will go back to normal

[glacial bolt]

Sky was made 3 years ago, idv is about 4 years, Sky has existed almost the same time and still it seems like it's trying to play the "I'm still young game and small company" card. Players have to understand that it's not acceptable from a company, that's clearly not new to keeping a game up, to treat their player base like this and not fixing things right away. Servers down for 10 hours was already horrible, known issues channel got updated after 4 hours of servers being down so clearly they don't seem to care enough to update players on the fact right away that they're working on it.
My writing isn't the best but imagine if your teacher graded your tests and lost like 3 papers, half of the rest where graded wrongly and teacher just tells that "I'm sorry I'm just a one teacher and I can't possibly grade papers I myself made and gave to you to fill."
I'm bad at discussing stuff but I'm so done with excuses because there shouldn't be any after three years

edit: @agile hazel
both TGC and Netease are publishers for sky so TGC is not a little puppy out in the rain to defend itself. It has Netease to back it up.

[sand rune]

I think there's just probably a problem here about the directions seasons are going
People expect every spirit to have an emote
Well there are only that many recognisable gestures you can put together
But I don't know what comes first during the conceptualisation of the season
I'm sure the dev team can come up with more content if they focused more on expanding the base lore of the game.
All these recent seasons feels more like side stories happening within the world, but less insight into the world as a whole.
Flight, maybe. Assembly, near none. Dreams? Minimal. Performance, minimal as well, near none.

I feel its starting to feel a bit.... Unsure about the world of sky. Is it a once thriving world, now desolate, left for us to rediscover? The world is alive with creatures, but all that remains are spirits. They were once alive, and all we see are supposedly their memories.
But the abyss season really confuses me. We explore a sunken ancient ruin, with the spirits? So the structure outdates them massively? What's the time line here now?
And then flight, the spirits seem to be working with us solving a real time problem. So does it mean when we relive their memories and light them up and send them to their constellations we sorta revive them and their spirit form are now free to roam and interact? The social area shows all their graves, they aren't alive, but they're still just hanging out as a spirit?

[gilded parrot]

@sand rune, Beta testers do not receive information in advance and no one knows when something will happen. Please check out #news for Live announcements and #beta-announcements for what's currently being tested in Beta.

[zinc gate]

if everyone floods the feedback channel i bet it's going to change. it happened once

[hybrid wedge]

@jade arrow you can express your dislike of the change without attacking others. I removed your earlier comment.

A general note than mods may remove posts that attack other community members and other posts that break the rules without additional warning.

[agile hazel]

Ayyy congrats beta chat, it's been 12 straight hours
Let's go for another 12 hours

[clever jetty]

Sky COTL is a social game and not a collecting game at all -John Graham Search that name up for context.

[near tiger]

hi, i see the iap for halloween... nothing free except the cat mask.... but he make changement for this mask... he are ugly now... and the hair are not free anymore, we need to send message to tgc to stop that.... we cant continue like that guys !! i can afford but its expensive.... i cant anymore ! please tgc, make some item free or less price !

[wispy plover]

Does anyone know which department of tgc actually gets the money from iaps? I mean technically I guess it would be all of them but some workers and developers I assume should be payed in advance, right?

[potent juniper]

Honestly, gonna stop doing messages here now, but i'm just tired of TGC assuming we can all afford that. It's upsetting to see so many paywalls nowadays.
Goodnight.

[abstract orbit]

Sky beta: textwall impact

[devout agate]

For something like "a list of wishes" for this explicit situation to happen, the people need to calm down first or else it isn't gonna work.

[jade arrow]

I won't spend my parents hard earned money on this, trust me. $30 is my lunch money for 30 days. But you're assuming that we'd get bored. If Sky was such a wee little thing, no one would have played a cyclic game like this for so long. I don't even want the cat ears for myself. But the Shell Collector hair, the botanist hair? I've not ditched them once. They're part of how I enjoy Sky. And the cat ear hair is exactly that for so many players, who were waiting for this even before it was showed in beta, only to have it slotted into IAP because of irresponsibility or just plain conspiracy. Sky is legit a virtual safe space for so many players, it's the only game I play, and these players constitute a large portion of the player base.

Also stop assuming how people would feel. Maybe you'd get bored, maybe you don't care. You are not the blue print for every players emotions here.

And honestly a lot of us wouldn't even be this upset if they didn't the whole switcheroo, that totally looked purposeful. And okay if it wasn't then the Dev confirmed they knew the outburst was obvious and they still did it? Nice way to disregard their playerbase.

[proper inlet]

I agree, it happened before, but many ppl here are mad and arguing, but don't take the time to leave feedback, even if you think you won't be listened, if u don't leave feedback, there will not even be a chance of it happening.

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@clever jetty Sky COTL is a social game and not a collecting game at all -John Graham Search that name up for context. // It depends on who's playing, i stopped caring about cosmetic collecting a long while ago and i'm only using it as a social platform and a place to relax, but i agree on you guys side, it's ridiculous for those who play the game like that, i already left feedback on that and everyone should do the same

[bright portal]

I downloaded sky because i thought im going in for a ride for a beautiful main story and a lot fun multiplayer contents and expansions, but honestly i havent truly felt tht in the last 5-6 seasons 😅 i know cosmetics are their main income , i would happy support and pay for them if it comes with good content in the game. But i suppose, just my opinion, I don't see a reason to continue spending anymore until i see a change of pace

[elder roost]

We can all agree that we just want something free that is not low quality

[burnt jolt]

A simple question......What are the chances that you're gonna play this game for the rest of your life?

@restive compass that's almost every game nothing new

[elder zodiac]

Hey guys, why can't I login to Beta??

[sleek parrot]

Agreed

[rugged fiber]

Same! it's just about cosmetics and iaps. Both igc and iap prices are ridiculously high, such as the rainbow cape like what??
Istg this cd

[iron elbow]

chat is speaking novels now, the 12th hour of the cat hair discussion is wild

[devout obsidian]

I don't think tgc will change their mind, for the sake of a lot of money they will do anything, even ruin free stuff. Considering how much money they rake in from Koreans and other countries. Considering that there will be a lot of donation in Mischief Days and also in the new season which may start in October along with this day.

[split grove]

weird to see this arguement is still going on, it started at like maybe 7 pst and its 4:30 am pst rn anyways gn yall lets hope they hear us out

[iron nacelle]

I hope we see the cat hair moved back to its rightful place as igc

[flint tiger]

The game had become boring for me, most of the items had the same base with few changes and were placed in the next season
but when I saw the spoilers, I really thought that TGC was trying to improve and was able to produce new and different design
They put all the good items to make money, really, what is the difference between sky and other games?
I have never seen in games that they take so much money from players and force them to buy extra candles and items they don't like. They want to forcefully sell the cape because of the hair
I'm really sorry for TGC
I hope they change it

[stark cloud]

Ngl, I really like that blue krill
Edited: LMAO the cooldown

[elder inlet]

not trying to pick a fight but if we're all gonna go by the logic of stop complaining its just a game item,then none of this feedback or beta would even exist or matter no? yes say in like even 2 years you might not be even interested to open sky anymore but that doesnt mean you can dismiss complain by that logic,is it not the same as how you'd buy stuff just because you like it now?

[misty gust]

i feel like its pretty obvious this isnt only about the cat hair at this point. tgc has giant issues with pricing and listening to any feedback at all. they only focus on pumping out more cosmetics to make money with rather than QOL or actual gameplay or story (i mean just look at shattering, its barely a season). and saying "the game isnt about cosmetics" when most of the gameplay revolves around candle running to be able to buy said cosmetics is just laughable.

[fallow delta]

The cat hair is not the sole issue, it is an issue but is more symbolic of a larger discussion. Like a diving point. This is not one isolated event, it is many multiple over the years.
And there is a lot that can, should and needs to be said.

@abstract roost yeah no that’s exactly the issue. They aren’t “going down” because people have fallen into the same trap multiple times, every event, every season. They may lose players, but they gain and maintain even more. The base grows, as does the ratio of cash cows, so they always make bank.

[vast pumice]

mm i agree plus the prices for iap are literally insane where i live 😭

[native stump]

The Halloween event is already the most expensive event. There are almost 10 (maybe more) IAPs. Because everyone likes cat hair, they made the hair IAP. It has nothing to do with "paying employees" anymore. What they are doing is deceiving the community and trying to make money. They can also make the money without disappointing the community. All they do is take advantage of the popularity of hair and turn it into IAP and be greedy

[lament ledge]

I agree. To be honest you can really see how tgc evolved to what it is now. Just look at the first days of bloom cosmetics. Pretty hair (that I feel like on the level of the cat hair), pretty cape and just for 20 hearts and 70 candles respectively. If those two cosmetics get released now I feel like they will be paywalled just by looking at everything tgc is doing now

[lunar yarrow]

I think the cat ear hair would still be IAP item.... I've always love and support sky and TGC, I'd be more than happy to buy the IAP if it mean helping the game I love.
But this time I'm truly disappointed 😦

[spark lance]

As i said earlier chat is not mad by only one item, TGC kept doing this, they always brings IGC items to IAPS whenever the fandom likes the cosmetic. Its not only for cat hair. The players just exploded finally because of all of this iaps, imagine theres only 4 igc items and the rest of it is iaps, doesnt it sound weird? And like when TGC sees that any item will be really loved, they are always changing it right to IAP.

[real hull]

not everyone can afford it, i wish I was elon musk's daughter or something : /

[lusty iron]

alrighty everyone, been in and out here all day but im signing off for now
keep at it and remember to remain respectful!!
see you all tomorrow ( ˙꒳​˙ )

[amber coral]

And it's so hard for f2p having to nonstop grind cause the event items can get expensive when it's back to back events and ts. Also, there really isn't any other animal hair that isn't locked behind a pay wall, which is freaking absurd.

[abstract roost]

( TGC IS GOING DOWN ) We don't fall into the trap twice + the prices are crazy which makes the players sad when the players get sad and bored 〽️<— TGC will lose a lot of players

[cobalt jacinth]

Unfortunately those who get sad are not potential buyers

[fervent vortex]

this whole mischief event is literally days of the money hungry because almost everything is behind a paywall. i dont think making a few cosmetics in-game currency is gonna hurt their paycheck.

[spiral yacht]

Ok i agree with you but it really looks like a clickbait video title💀

[zinc gate]

guys A QUICK REMINDER **flood the feedback channel **for the prices to change maybe, it happened before and things actually changed if yall post your complains here tgc probably will ignore it unless you post it in feedback channel where they actually read them its a higher chance.. I know many people complain and that is exactly why

[clever jetty]

💀 can we even count how much they get money from each thing they have? @quiet swift tyy i love your pfp too

[wispy plover]

Yeah I honestly can’t help but agree, I just hoped that maybe there’s still some like. Idk I just hoped that at least someone who needs the money is actually getting it. Though honestly another thing that worries me is that staff might overworked and under crunch with how there are constantly many seasons being made. Anyways . Yeah no I got nothing this game is getting kinda sad at this point for me

[limpid moat]

Gentle reminder to boycott buying IAPs for Days of Mischief in Live if nothing change from today’s update, that’s one of the strategy. 😉😊
From regular IAPs buyer here so I’ll be boycotting if this doesn’t change in Live later.

[quiet swift]

This is very off topic rn but like, I like ur pfp

[spark lance]

It reminds me of all the iap of last year with the season of the little prince, a year away and not much has changed in terms of iap

[near tiger]

im a buyers but im not ok with this ! tgc put too many iap in halloween... only 1 mask free ? noooo im not ok for that... and tgc doesnt think about players cant afford for it !

[silk valley]

arguably the iap situation has gotten worse lol

[spark lance]

~~ Reminder to leave feedback in #beta-feedback

[grim gyro]

not being able to react to the msgs hits as hard as the cooldown

[elder roost]

I've thought of this too before..i just wonder why the pretty cosmetics are always locked behind ap or comes out as iap. Not only that their way of handling prices for cosmetics is unprofessional.

[oak remnant]

I think they know how to manage their money fairly. It's a good concern though. I remember Ktjn explained that the money from IAPs are used to develop seasons and events and to make the game free for all to play.

Feel free to search the message. I think it still exists in this channel

[strange glen]

you pay around 350€ for every iAP (inculding AP and not returning things)
calculate a few thousand
yeah much money

[vast marlin]

Instead of getting wild
Just calm down firstly and go to #beta-feedback

[hybrid wedge]

@jagged egret you’re trying to post a filtered term.

[stone shard]

why is every cosmetics i like not free and so expensive im also feeling burned out cuz of cr the only reason im playing sky now is bcuz of my friends 😭

[hybrid wedge]

Keep in mind, the rules don’t allow any direct or indirect references to your own age

@jagged egret please remove the age reference or I will need to remove your post thanks!

[flint tiger]

👍🏻👍🏻agree

[autumn elk]

FOMO is whats protecting the sales from plummeting tbh. Im sure they are very aware of this.

Reminder Days of mischief had NO igc items at all till 2021 so any addition to igc is welcome

[proper inlet]

Please 💗
Also it's not your guys fault as your complaints are valid and should be listened to, but i'm leaving this chat for now because it's really negative rn and i don't like the energy, but i wish good luck to you guys and that tgc will finally change seeing this fuzz, which is bigger than any fuzz we've ever had in beta, also remember to stay hydrated and leave feedback, please!

[bright canopy]

It reminds me of that situation when they wanted to change traveling spirits being free, you could only buy something with current season pass and they came up with excuse that they wanted to make possible getting those cosmetics without doing candle runs and that was just-- no words. Its the same situation now, all about the money

[hybrid wedge]

We disabled reactions temporarily after people began using them to be rude and insulting towards other posters. They’ll be back once things cool off again!

[lament ledge]

It's genuinely sad that f2p players can't get anything that good anymore :/ I don't know of there was backlash then because I wasn't part of the discord but I remember during the dreams season, they were able to make the yellow jacket free because everyone liked it. Now f2p players have to send feedbacks after feedbacks for something remotely good.

[lunar zealot]

In its entirety, yes, DoM has around 10 IAPs. And as unfair as this is going to sound, those are from past DoM events. They return with the yearly event to give people a chance to get them. Yes, that makes DoM expensive, but it's also an unfair comparison.
This years DoM currently has one IGC item, and 2 IAPs. And judging from only that, imo, it's a nice balance from previous DoM or other events that had way more IAPs. It's much more gentle on the candles skykids grind for, and it also gives some fair choices to those who choose to spend, or want to spend to support Sky.

[jade arrow]

@hybrid wedge I agree I got passive aggressive there but I'd appreciate it so much if your rules would apply to the person I was sarcastic to as well. Belittling players for being upset about "kitty hair" and calling them kids (a safe word play on Skykids) using laughing emoji is as rude as what I said. Don't let us assume that you don't care about those comments because they support TGC.

Also, @burnt jolt , thank you for your curiosity. There's a lot of chances I'll play this game for a life time. And so will others. There are players who have stayed since the game was launched, haven't they? Are you happy to hear that? Sky is a cyclic game that has promised incentives for sticking around. Though recent choices makes it debatable. I'll stick around because I'm lucky enough to have cosmetics that makes me happy. And I feel for the players who who would struggle to experience this, especially after the whole switching and downgrade — leaves a extremely bad taste. People are allowed to get mad, feedback always won't be good.

Skykids are as Mad as they were happy to see kitty hair the first time. And all recent choices by the devs aren't making it better. If we should really not care then it's better to shut down these channels and illusion of feedbacks.

[spark lance]

thats exactly why did am i gonna quit sky if devs wont lower the iaps

who would know the company would go downhill just because turning a item that is so loved by the fans to a iap to gain moni moniii

[wary star]

literally, there's no point in having any feedback channels if we're not even listened to

[native stump]

yeah I remembet that. TGC has already shown how greedy they are in the past years.

[hybrid wedge]

Plus, the old IAP aren’t being shoved in people’s faces and heavily advertised. They’re off to the side and out of the way so that people who want them will find them, and people who don’t care won’t have advertising pushed in front of them

[glacial bolt]

Visiting wiki page:
Sky hasn't won any awards in 2021 or 2021, before that it 8 awards after android launch;

Pocket Gamer Mobile Games Awards:
-Pocket Gamer People's Choice

Game Developers Choice Awards:
-Audience Award

SXSW Gaming Awards:
-Mobile Game Of The Year

Webby Award:
-Apps, Mobile and Voice: Best Visual Design - Aesthetic

Apple Design Awards:
-Outstanding Design and Innovation

International Mobile Gaming Awards:
-Grand Prix

Games For Change Awards:
-Best Gameplay
-G4C People's Choice Award

I wonder if there's a reason Sky hasn't been taking part in awards for few years. Maybe because they know they won't win anything anymore, especially how unsatisfied the player base is.

edit: I'm not saying the game is straight up bad but we all can see it's not Award worthy, the moment they listen to #beta-feedback complaints this game might pick itself up from the ground. It's sad to see Sky turning into a money grab when they said when it launched that they wouldn't be asking much or at all money in-game

[elder inlet]

oh wait did my point come across as the opposite- was trying to say that to another person lmao and yes all you said was what i meant

[mint creek]

Anyone remember the yellow umbrella ? everyone seems to loved it and TGC make it IAP

[north patrol]

For someone who says that it’s just an in-game cosmetic that doesn’t affect you in real life, and for someone who sounds rather nonchalant about not having certain items, I find it rather ironic that quite a few of your messages talk about your desire for the guitar TS to return, and quite earnestly too, in fact. And you’ve also asked which season had the best cosmetics and that you wanted a TS with good pants to return for a change. Yes, true, you saying you want a TS to return doesn’t relate to spending money or affecting you in real life, but that doesn’t mean you don’t want it, right?

You didn’t spend money on the white guitar at harmony hall because it’s too expensive, according to your previous messages. But that doesn’t mean you’d not want it. Same thing applies to other people. They can like cosmetics and express their desire to want them, and if they want to spend money, they can. I mean, if the red guitar from the TS you liked so much was suddenly changed into an IAP, I don’t think you’d be happy about it either, would you?

[wispy plover]

Thank you!!! That’s very relieving to hear

[clear ruin]

I can‘t play sky anymore.

[iron elbow]

not surprised that, out of all of the different options, it had to be a neko cosmetic to quickly radicalize people. couldn't be any other one, really

[quiet swift]

Awhh tysm!! <33 I rlly appreciate that

[austere plinth]

I'm not in the beta testing at all but all I'mma say is that I love the cat hair!! But I think the original idea for it being behind candles should stay like that!

[hybrid wedge]

Thanks Shio, the channel is moving fast and unfortunately I might miss posts. For future reference, please don’t hesitate to report posts like that so that it will be easier for mods to follow up. Then we strongly encourage ignoring/blocking the person trying to provoke you, since engaging in an argument usually results in escalating the tension

[abstract roost]

We’re TGC we don’t care about how do you feel we just want to take the money from your pockets with all fake love and friendly game

[elder roost]

I was thinking maybe its bc not many wanted the cat pack (mask and cape) so they changed the hair to iap and mask as igc for marketing purposes. That way they thought ppl would buy the iap more, tho im not sure if that many ppl actually dislike the cat mask this is just what i assume

[outer linden]

Hey guys I know you’re sad and upset but the devs are people too, please don’t be mean 😭😭

[shy knoll]

the cat mask was great, ppl r hating on it rn bcuz they completely changed the style and made it look bad lol
@tough oracle your messages r public, so no rlly creepy, one search and u get everything lmao

[hybrid wedge]

It’s pretty normal that awards are for new games. Sky was new in 2019.

[real hull]

why they can't just make the new item IAP and when they return it will be IGP like how TS work?

[zinc gate]

remember to comment ur argues only in #beta-feedback because i don't think they are going to read them here

[jagged egret]

Oh and for all the people going "oh they need to PrOfIt"
If they cut their prices in half and twice as many people buy the cosmetics because they're more reasonable, then they're still making the same amount
I would be shocked if more than like 5 out of 100 players actually buy the overpriced cosmetic iaps

[covert hemlock]

People's desire of wanting more stuff is very visible and infact TGC is giving more stuff yes. I believe that this is the kind of outlet you guys are putting up to have something that's f2p. Persistence! How much do you want something & are you willing to do whatever it takes to have it is the question TGC presents to you as a player of Sky. If you guys are frustrated yeah okay I understand. Just... be wise and think about it after overcoming the emotion please. The devs are people and this really hurts my view on just an aspect of the community. (Especially back-talking)

PS:- wait until it hits live then we will see...

[hybrid wedge]

@tough oracle posts that name call other people will be removed. You can find ways to express that sentiment without disparaging name calling

[limpid ocean]

Seems like our message can properly be conveyed if an uproar happens instead of something like the feedback channel... Because when an uproar happens, that's when they pay attention to the dissatisfaction of the community/beta testers. "Proven by the past" That is what I got anyways from the past messages as a lurker.

[limpid estuary]

It's just diappointing that so much anticipated item was moved to the IAP
It was very anticipated before even realesed I saw peoeple suggesting this item, doing fanarts with cat ears maaaaaany times looooong before this item
There would have been any problemes if they realeased it in the beta already as an IAP
People would have accepted it as it is
Whatever was going on inside devs heads or if it was mistake it does look hella sus that they move it to the IAP after so many people hyped for it

V I think the most we can do by raising our voice is to change the mask for previous design
It's higly unlikly they switch the hair back to the IGC

[fervent vortex]

the rainbow trousers went from IAP to IGC, so maybe we have some potential in this situation

[clever jetty]

10$ to reborn 20$ to enter eden for the 2nd time

[near tiger]

dont give idea to tgc lol

[tulip lake]

[proper inlet]

They actually do, but they prioritize #beta-feedback, so everyone should send it there too! Please, take your time to do that, as this chat is an absolute fuzz, it would be even harder for the devs to read all of the opinions.

Also, Nagati, ty for taking your time to moderate the fuzz, while the opinions and complaints are valid, there are some people overheating this more than just being mad and expressing their opinions and complaints

[blissful gulch]

It is more than clear that this move that TGC has just made to add even more IAP to an event that in itself has the most IAP of all and add an ugly mask for free that is literally the default mask but with angry eyes it's going to cost lots of players, I know several friends of mine who have already left the game a lot of time ago for things like this

People is already bored that only those who have money can show off in Sky while those who are new, f2p or don't have expensive stuff are ignored

[halcyon quail]

It doesn't correlate, halving the price doesn't mean twice as many people will buy. It's probably true that making them cheaper would encourage more people to buy but that doesn't mean they'll get the same amount of money.

That said I still think their prices are higher than they could and should be, I can't know for certain either because they never said anything about why prices are as high as a whole indie game for one item as far as I know

[oak remnant]

It's true that 'uproar' could bring more attention to the issue. But feedbacks submitted from that channel are still important. For effective analysis and data collection

The discussion here can be too chaotic and difficult to backtrack

[long coyote]

Dumpster Fire in beta chat Part (I lost count)

[spice zodiac]

this is just me guessing but i'm PRETTY sure they would earn more by pricing it way less, this is literally the item people have been wanting for yrs

[lunar zealot]

Indeed. Forgot about that fact. Thanks for the add-on, Nagati

[restive compass]

ThatGreedyCompany has never learned from past drama...like this is what, the 3rd major event that has happened because of cosmetics being overpriced?

[jade arrow]

Thanks, I'm sorry for sounding hostile too— it was unpleasant for me too. Since you've reassured us that such comments will be taken care of, I'll report them instead of engaging and making it easier for everyone else.

[native stump]

as I said Even devs are defending TGC in this case. If they really cared and listened to us, they wouldn't have made such a bad move like this. TGC has changed and they will probably never listen to their community again.

[neat wagon]

I checked how the old cat mask looked and cmon now..feels like they purposely downgraded it because it's now free

[vital crystal]

Hopefully the cat hair won't clip with the forest elder mask 👀

[hybrid wedge]

Thanks Shio, I (and all the mod folks) appreciate it!

[blazing sequoia]

Dont forget the reason, it became free cuz ppl werent buying it🤷🏼‍♀️

[burnt jolt]

I do want the guitar ts and also some good pants but obviously i don't whine about it all the time......me whining will do no help I'll get it when the Devs want to give it might be in a week or might be over 2 years
So my point is that whining about this kitty hair won't do any good it's been enough sooner or later they'll add something similar for free (although this is not 100% but chances are quite high) by arguing you are doing nothing good but just exhausting yourself the main purpose of this issue is that the Devs know that sky kids aren't happy with the change and pretty sure they've already noticed it......So they might add something similar in future
Bottom line: every game company is greedy and there's nothing you can do about it everyone wants money right....if you really want a change to occur then just stop playing

[sullen thorn]

Fr they really won't listen to their community again.

[quiet swift]

HELPPP WHAHAHAHAHA

[ashen tusk]

Just dropping by to remind you all to take a breather, stay hydrated and get some food if you haven't eaten yet. Look after yourselves and don't spend all your time focusing on your negative emotions. As upsetting as it has been for a lot of us to see the changes, we still have to look after ourselves!

[honest wren]

I was gonna pay for stuff from Halloween but only if the items let us go into the area anytime… (this should be a minimum if all iap can anyone lmk?) and 120 bucks geez hopefully people outside the US etc can afford some things. [But also I’m pretty sure devs know that these things get collectively overblown in chat so if the community is often being over the top over small changes they stop listening - plus we aren’t just paying for the items it’s also upkeep and all the new maps we take for granted.]

[sharp ice]

LSNAHAHAHAHAHA

[reef spire]

We can make things change. Instead of waiting for a copy, we can try to make it free by giving feedbacks.

[fluid cobalt]

Bro fr please just make cat hair to be igc item again

[native kiln]

Honestly I don't think we are whining or are arguing ( for the most part ), most.people here seem to be on the same page, and i wouldnt consider it whining because this is a feedback channel, and this is our feedback 😅

[stone shard]

im at the point of quitting at this point, tgc will lose more people until theres none.

[elder roost]

Well yea the mask definitely looks horrid now lol, im hoping they change it in the next update and ofc switch it back to iap since majority of us really love the hair and wishing for it to be free so that we can get something free that is good quality. This is also because we only get one new free item and this opportunity of getting the one and only good but also new free item can't be wasted. Its disappointing honestly, i just wish they would listen to feedbacks like all of them and not just 2% of what was requested.

[autumn elk]

They will always add new IAPs, even if its just for folks that already have the old IAPs.

They have two options to make it less expensive overall:
-don’t bring anything new which would disappoint people or
-begin to retire old items which would also disappoint people.

Its hard to gauge the value of all items because plenty of people may not like some of the iap but love the others.

I will say this again the main issue is the lack of communication of why these changes are made coupled with the fact we got the cat hair free so it was a bit of a tease.

Kinda similar to when everyone thought the yellow umbrella was the “null” item on the summer guide tree.

[real thorn]

I really hope they'll listen to us, the cat hair is so pretty please TGC😭

[errant wadi]

Nah man it should be like 10€ to open the game 20€ to join the game , 15€ to light a player , 30 € to unlock prairie 100€ for complete Eden for the first time

[ocean cedar]

I wish the mask can be free too if cat hair is free again

[abstract roost]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[shy knoll]

mhm! you’re right on this, but the biggest concern is why they completely shattered the quality once turning it to a free item. kinda weird how they did that, even though everyone loved the original design for it

[gray steppe]

I remember a company really do like this for their game
I don't remember name

[open gyro]

If anyone know how to get the cat hair，I bought yesterday so i can’t see the cat hair in my shop

[uneven lotus]

...I thought as customers we have the right to complain...? It's true that at the end of the day, the purpose of this game is for TGC to earn money out of it, but we are the players so we have every single right to voice out thoughts about the service that we are receiving me think

[mint creek]

Omg HAAHAHAHAHAH I LAUGH SO HARD

[fallow delta]

This is not how you build consumer relationships! People are sharp becoming disillusioned.

[vestal pier]

it’s still going on oh my god

[hushed grove]

I know right it’s already been a few hours

[arctic holly]

I want cat hair exchanged with candles, please don't take it away

[proper inlet]

I don't think tgc is being greedy, at least not in the right way, if they lowered the prices, that would make more people buy it and make more money for them comparing to now, they are actually being dumb and losing money for this

[trail prairie]

Ffxiv has been out for soon a decade, they keep getting awards to this day for expansions. It's not only new games, but good new additions as well

[north locust]

It’s been going since last night, the cooldown used to be like two minutes and now it’s 11 💀

[cloud crown]

About 12 hours strong I see fellas, good good we are continuing to be persistent

[grim gyro]

mods are working overtime for this

[swift yarrow]

12 hours later and i still hope they'll move cat hair to IGC when it comes to live haha

[agile hazel]

Ok it's ridiculous to compare Sky and FFXIV. Square Enix is a AAA company. Yes TGC is not a small/indie company, but they are nowhere near being AAA

[orchid badge]

i think the same

[blissful gulch]

We just a want for one time a nice hair for free lmao

[midnight python]

woah yall are still talking about the cat hair?
11 MINS SLOWMODE?
We cant even react ong

[limpid ocean]

To be honest it's surprising that it stopped at 11 mins 💀 Which I guess shows that they are listening right now. That they didn't feel the need to extend the cooldown.

Not just the cat hair, topic moved to how expensive cosmetics are in general.

[gleaming bronze]

Certainly opportunistic. But the wrong way to bring in more players. Not everyone wants to spend hundreds of dollars in each event just to wear an accessory. :v

[lament belfry]

people have 100% the right to complain, it's not just the cat hair, this happened before so many times where free cosmetics have been locked behind a paywall in another update.

[echo mason]

Is now the cooldown fine 🙄🙄🙄

Oh gosh 🙄🙄 still 11 💀🙄

[spiral trout]

fr, we only get few ones every season and when we get something cool after every events.. it costs real money. Likeee, why can't they just make lots of cool cosmetics per event, there are lots of f2p players

[hybrid wedge]

The mods increased the cooldown so that we could better moderate the channels. Nothing more

[royal mantle]

TGC be like-
We give you a hand to hold, you sat on our head 🤣

[covert hemlock]

WHEEZE ROFL

[honest wren]

Lesson: never ever dangle cute cat hair and then take it away Anyone know if any of these cosmetics let us go into Halloween area all year coz this is my one wish

[terse flame]

I didn't get the cat hair #shakingcrying

[spark lance]

Imagine Tgc getting 100k feedbacks on bringing the cat hair style back but they dont

[real hull]

talking to wall

[spark lance]

Yes people ARE still talking about the cat hair and as they should. .. like nothing is going to change if people "just move on" from it. Then they're just going to keep brining more and more expensive IAPs when IGC ones are already in the back seat of their minds

[livid ridge]

Peace was never an option

[burnt jolt]

@reef spire

The main purpose of this issue is that Devs know that skykids aren't happy with the change and pretty sure they've already noticed it......So they might add something similar in future

Also surely they are not gonna revert the change and make the hair free cause they can potentially get a lot of money out of it... look at the hype of the hair around you think about it as a business perspective surely there are gonna be a lot of players who are gonna invest money on that rather than getting it for free but yourself in that position what would you do......money right? Sky is a multi-million dollar company not a ngo welcome to capitalism my friends

Also quite ironic how players are complaining about it being so costly and at the same time thinking about buying these backs this way you are encouraging them to do this more it's never enough everyone wants more no matter how much you have if you really want a change you should not buy the pass then you can potentially see some change
The best you can get rn if someone duplicate hair like the kitty hair for a high price

[abstract roost]

I swear if I was an admin and I want the company to be loved to know what truly people want I will stay on the people side if I want the company I am working with to grow and I know that everyone will agree with me but the arrogant people just think about themselves.

[elder roost]

Perhaps something accidentally changed when they were preparing for the update? Im not sure but im really hoping it was not on purpose and soon will change to its original design. The current design defeats the purpose of it being a cat mask. For now im only looking forward to the hair being a free item again and the mask to have its original design again, if not i will definitely not spend anything for this event

[glacial raft]

yep yep! it's beta players' responsibility to let TGC know what we want and help make Sky a better experience for all

[gray steppe]

I hope they add more items for mischief, its really not much things they add in every events

Also, I don't like the way they put the neko hair and neko cape together as a set to force players buy the cape...maybe they know they cape not so popular

The neko cape kinda look like bat cape a littlle bit but not easy to wear with any outfit/pants

The neko mask doesn't look like neko 😭

[errant wadi]

Imagine for the one who been here since the last days of mischief in 2021 and the only thing has changed for f2p players is a cat mask Which is not even a cat mask but just a mad one?

What a wonderful change TGC

[hybrid wedge]

Considering that this is only the second build, I think there’s still a good chance that there’s time to update the mask! Probably no one sent feedback about it the first day because we were all focused on the cat ear hair 😆

[native stump]

I hope it never stops. TGC needs to see and care about their community.

[merry pewter]

Just coming it to see if the chat is any calmer by now
Don't forget to hydrate everyone!

[reef spire]

The best is gives multiple feedbacks. It worked for a LOT of things. Rather than wait and abandon it, we need to give constant feedbacks. Also for the mask apparence. In this position, i wouldn't be so greedy. I prioritize players enjoying the game rather than money making players go.

[mint creek]

fr like this year days of mischief we only got a mask can buy by candle

[jade arrow]

The guitar TS will return, there's a certainty. Heck, I want it. And I'm waiting patiently for it. But there's less certainty for a the cosmetic in question, unlike TS. Sure, Owl hair and a Penguin twin which was AP too. But this yearly cosmetic was showed as IGP, and was swiftly changed. And the explanation Devs gave wasn't convincing at the slightest. So there will be whining.

Talking about another IAP, I really desire the witch hat but I've consoled myself with various reasons (cuz I'm poor and frugal, lol). I won't whine about Witch hat all of a sudden because I wasn't there when it was first introduced. But this time it's different, the IGP/IAP ratio, the increasing prices, the irresponsible communication, the unconvincing explanations, etc etc.

The timing and everything.

Remember how the yellow parasol was made an IAP? I feel the controversy was still less than this because there was the Casual Stance TS' umbrella to wait for?

As long as there's a feedback channel, even Discord, or Twitter and what not, people will complain. They're upset. Sure maybe this is really all.for nothing but maybe it's actually healthier to whine among people who feel hurt than just, idk, swallow the disappointment yourself? I just feel bad for the volunteering mods. The TGC stuff gotta face the obvious outburst since they expected it anyways and still didn't reconsider it.

I do wish everyone in this channel would not get too emotionally engrossed to the point it harms them. Everyone eat and drink and stretch, the cool down is long, you can come back and get back to work.

[copper salmon]

Why does the quality of a cosmetic have to correlate to the cost of it. What kind of a message are you sending to the player base when you make a good quality cosmetic for free but then make it an iap. Why can’t the same amount of effort be used to make an iap cosmetic also be used towards making a free cosmetic? There has been an obvious difference between the two ever since iap cosmetics have been a thing.

[north patrol]

@tough oracle Hahah, yeah people will think it’s a little off putting. I don’t blame you for feeling this way, and I apologise if that made you uncomfortable. But I’m not happy with how Luminity acted, that was a little uncalled for. I don’t do this to everyone, I promise.

And @burnt jolt , if you don’t want to spend money, good for you, go for it! But it doesn’t seem right to tell other people to stop whining entirely, this issue is just touching the surface of what has been ongoing for a long time. And no, you don’t whine about it a lot, but you’ve done it occasionally before, everyone has. In no way do I mean to attack you, I apologise if my last message seemed aggressive, but you saying people should stop playing if they want a change is a little too much. Every company may be greedy, and want money, yes. But there’s a certain line you can’t cross. Never in my life have I seen a company change a free item into a item that needs money to be purchased, and with such poor reasoning too. A dev mentioned that the team finalised the cat hair and cape to be IAP a few weeks ago, but this build didn’t list that. They have seen the positive feedback, and still decided to continue on with making the hairstyle an IAP, and even changed the mask design at the same time as they announced the mask would become an IGC — which many players feel look less appealing now. The players are calling TGC out primarily for this unjust behaviour, I don’t think there’s anything wrong with players expressing their dissatisfaction for it. Testers don’t do this every time an IAP comes out, you know.

The question is, why can’t they do what they did for Days of Rainbow, where they made the trousers IGC, and then had Rainbow Headphones as an IAP? I don’t think it’s too difficult to do that, a player even suggested making another pair of cat ears accessory to add into the IAP pack instead, and I’m sure that would be just as profitable.

Like when in beta the sword suit and pajama pants were IAPs, and only by complaining for a few days did they change it. I understand you also started in Performance, from the roles you have. But this isn’t the first time it has happened, and I think many players have held in their frustration for a long time now. The past few times where people have complained this much actually turned out to be a success whereby TGC changed the sword suit to an IGC item (200 candles) and where they changed the trousers to an IGC item too. The sword suit then also had potential to get a lot of money, and they still changed it. It was a crossover item, it won’t ever return either. But enough people brought it up, and they changed it. I don’t appreciate how you think it’s practically hopeless and think people shouldn’t bother say anything more about it.

[north locust]

yes I’m aware, I was just bringing up the change is all
I hope this all calms down soon 😭

[gilded parrot]

📱iOS/Android: Learn about the sign-up process and how to get notified when invites happen in #beta-faq!
Switch: The Switch Beta testing period has ended with Live launch. All future content testing will be conducted on Mobile only.

@north patrol, Beta testers do not receive information in advance and no one knows when something will happen. Please check out #news for Live announcements and #beta-announcements for what's currently being tested in Beta.

[trail prairie]

Square was about to go bankrupt due to 1.0 before they booted the first group and put yoshi-p in charge of a new team

While not "small indie company uwu" they still didn't have much to run on, and has only grown since. Do you know how the final fantasy series got its name? It was their final game before having to toss in the towel. Square is literally a company to look towards when it comes to coming back from awful situations

I was also not "comparing the two" as there is no comparing, but explaining that even additions to old games can come out in awards if it's good additions done right

[river socket]

Greetings people, how is the beta goin

11MIN COOLDOWN OMG

[steep arrow]

What's wrong with your

[blissful gulch]

Most of people who play Sky are f2p, but they are not interested in that people, they only wants people who can waste they're money in this, we are just numbers for them

[hybrid wedge]

@north patrol @burnt jolt your conversation has become less about the cosmetics and more about arguing with each other. At this point, I’m going to ask you to drop the conversation

[native kiln]

That's the general reaction. It seems like its calming down a bit tho, so the mods can finally rest 😅

[agile hazel]

The last point about listening to the playerbase saving them is a valid point. But any other comparisons is unreasonable since even while almost going bankrupt, Square would still have easily had 100x more resources, superior dev experience etc

[hybrid wedge]

@limpid ocean it’s fine to criticise, but please do so without the gross/abusive imagery

[tiny tinsel]

even if you aren’t a f2p player, some cosmetics have gotten too pricey to justify spending money on them… im not f2p but i can only spend 15 dollars on a cosmetic every event before it starts to feel awful

[spark lance]

I'm still mad over the cat hair style

[thorny jay]

What was the reasoning they gave for changing the cat ears to iap? I'm sorry I'm late to all of this and trying to catch up and get the full picture. Everyone keeps saying the reason is dumb, but what was the reason? It seems kind of like the reason was just because people really like them (as someone just walking into all of this)

[hybrid wedge]

Search for posts by Ktjn in this channel, they were in here for a while yesterday

[subtle juniper]

I probably spent around 200-300$ on this Game,yet,Its not like I have that much... the switch and ||Office pack|| were the best offers,others weren't

[sonic oar]

They planned to change it to iap a week ago. But because it was igc in a previous build it appears like they changed it overnight.

[arctic holly]

Sky is a game for all ages, there are a lot of kids playing it. They don't have nearly enough finances to get an IAP. Forever without a favorite item, is that too callous?

I know everyone needs money, but please be a little gentle.

[stray imp]

Im not Beta player since i change my Android to IOS, but i heard there are a change on cat hair to IAP. Can i give feedback even im not Beta player anymore?

[elder roost]

Like you said, the mask looks like it has time to change since it definitely looks nothing like a cat so maybe that's why not many ppl are talking about it bc the mask has a high chance to change design again. The hair tho is probably a bigger problem since the switching from IGC to IAP was unexpected and uncalled for, not to mention majority of the community loves the hair and was looking forward to get it so when everyone found out it was switched to IAP it definitely broke everyone's hopes down.

[abstract roost]

It’s me who wants the old cool company to open their eyes

[quiet obsidian]

yes you can! i heard a mod confirm this a while back, please do leave feedback

[zinc gate]

agree, ive seen cosmetics be even 30 dollars or more

[spark lance]

I've long decided that i will only buy the season pass because I'm a college student.
Mischief is my favorite event but there's so much IAP? 😂

[hybrid wedge]

@burnt jolt unfortunately because the conversation was already starting to escalate, I have to ask that it end with my last post Thank you both

[ornate rover]

I think the nintendo switch starter pack was worth the price, had lots of candles and 4 cosmetics. Idk but some stuff has been getting really expensive for just one cosmetic

[livid ridge]

I cant believe they make cat mask uglier in order to sell it for candle that's not cool at all
I mean the remake version is just grumpy skykid, not even a cat anymore

[honest wren]

I will pay mega bucks if tgc will fulfill my lifelong wish of being a witch and make potions and curses all year in the special zone not just Halloween

[limpid estuary]

Btw I've just realised something

If putting hair instead of mask was a mistake they've made while launching the update

They would have cost the same amount of candles

They've changed it purposfully after they've saw that people really liked it

[mighty hollow]

Convo still going strong damn
ALL FOR CAT MASK
Also I understand! Its just I also in the mix of things the community is complaining about
And they removed people to make reactions on messages wow

[north patrol]

Understood, I’ll not continue this any further. Thank you for letting me know, and I apologise for my behaviour. I’ll make more of an effort to check my responses in the future 🤍

Sorry for the very late reply! Just message cool-down things

[copper salmon]

I know this is off topic but I really like your name haha

[clear spoke]

aight someone has been telling ppl in pretty much every single chat to come here if "we care about the game" - their words not mine.

On behalf of me, what is going on here that someone's posting the same message in every chat???

[empty crag]

I really want the cat hair to be back to free

[native stump]

Like I said, I don't think it's a mistake. They did this on purpose, obviously.

[trim spade]

Ikr, I’m waiting for it to cool down so we can go back to the normal testing discussion

[slow pecan]

Yeah that may not mistake100%

[spark lance]

But cat hair is part of the testing discussion? This is what feedback is for, what beta is for. We r voicing our opinion about it so of course the conversation is still going.

[dull forge]

Are you unable to express a strong liking for items in the future?

[manic dagger]

This would be the best season ever. Finally the silent stories of the spirits are now narrated through a song! Tear jerking

[reef spire]

It's not only because of that. Please understand the whole Convo.

[upper pulsar]

my favourite thing about all of this is going into the beta feedback channel and watching the dozens of people typing at all times. TGC created a game with the purpose of creating friendships, supporting one another and creating a devoted, united community. What they didn’t see coming is that same community uniting to revolt against their poor decisions and dishonesty

[tiny tinsel]

to be honest i’d sorta feel better if TGC just said they made it an IAP because so many people expressed enough desire for it to make them think they’d spend money on it. it’s not a bad thing to think, it’s business. just wish devs wouldn’t come in and be unable to take understandably frustrated masses of feedback when something like this happens. all feels a little like when we complain about something the issue is suddenly about how we’re being disrespectful and harming their mental health by just giving frustrated feedback…
and again, this is only an early build and things could change, but feedback is a necessary part of having a beta in the first place, of course we are going to complain/give criticism???? that’s the point lol

[arctic holly]

Of course, everyone can voice their opinions and suggestions

[fallow delta]

I’m gonna go take a bath because I’m a stinky little gremlin, take care and ykw, keep complaining. Hopefully they’ll listen. They changed the sword and rainbow pants, maybe they might do it again. Or at least consider things better in the future plus it’s fun to read

[elder roost]

Its as simple as that, listen to our feedbacks if you don't want ppl flooding the feedbacks complaining about their poor decisions. Super simple, they can't just change something and be like oh its beta things will change but when we give feedback of how ppl doesn't want something they never listen and just continues to implement it to live version.

[jade arrow]

That's cinematic when you phrase it like that.

[blissful gulch]

What's your meaning of "normal testing duscussion" As far as i know talking about cat hair it's also a testing discussion lmao, that's why this channel and the feedback one are made for

[abstract roost]

My bro

[sharp ice]

are y'all still talking about cat hair?

[daring notch]

it's hard to recognize the cat mask as a cat face now without the cat hair which has been stuffed into the bundle. the mask has been turned to be black mask with a pair of fierce eyes. if there won't be anything about either of them changed. I won't spend anything on both the mask and the bundle.

[ornate rover]

It's the guilt tripping some are doing because players dont agree with a change that no one should honestly be happy about 👀

[zenith lynx]

yes and I hope it never stops, beta feedback hasn't been quiet either lmao they made a big mistake here

[river socket]

Its funny how all this discussion is cuz of cat ears

TGC getting the bag tho

[mighty hollow]

Its in the mix of things yes

[copper pagoda]

i feel as tho nowadays its very difficult for f2p players, as their main options for playing the game makes them have to pick between spending time or money

what i mean is like, a lot of the cosmetics r locked behind very high candle counts / iaps or aps for seasons. and sure, some cosmetics can come back but like... itll take more and more time for them to do so thanks to the ts mechanic, which is good in theory but it can cause ppl to wait for months just for a spirit they want bcos of how many there are now

added to that, theyll probably have to log in consistently anyways just so they dont miss anything they want in the case it will take ages to return. they have to grind for the ts and for the season and for any other reccuring events... it can be alot bcos they cant / dont want to spent money but they do want to get more cosmetics

and like. my point is that... there arent a lot of good cosmetics that a casual f2p player can get due to these reasons? again, they're either locked by iaps or require lots of candles, meaning you either should save up overtime or you have to grind over and over again

which is why im disappointed at the cat hair / cat mask discuss currently! im a f2p player who plays on and off, so to see smth that made me genuinely excited to grind for become inaccessible to me again and be replaced w/ whats honestly just a plain mask w/ a different color scheme / eyes? like... idk, i just dont feel like players can get the "cool" cosmetics unless theyre consistently active or they have money to spend

plus gameplay after a while becomes more tedious than anything so sometimes ppl just. cant play consistently anymore
it can get boring :/ so cosmetics like the cat hair which arent priced like 70+ were pretty good! something lots of ppl could get

if they changed the mask to be more catlike i could be a little more lenient but they made it just a normal mask even if its called "cat" which is just :/ idc if its a weasel clone at least make it similar to what its named after

[waxen charm]

I heard people were complaining about the cat hair being changed to iap?what'd i miss 😭😭😭

[blissful adder]

Never underestimate the love for cat ears.

They are a basic human right

[dusk geyser]

the way ppl are STILL talking even with the long cooldown shows how upset ppl are (in my opinion) I think that if ppl are this mad, they could & should express it!!
Beta is meant to test things and the testers are saying this is a bad choice no one should be apologetic for expressing how they feel unless they're actively harming another person.

[brave vessel]

Criticism and constructive feedback is fine. It’s when the dialogue begins to take a turn into personal territory that there begins to be a breakdown in communication.

[limpid estuary]

Ayo am I the only one concerned by the fact that they've disabled reactions? People used it to show support on opinions and statements

[analog sun]

If TGC continues to ignore the valid feedback that long-time players have been sending them then it really is time to hit them in actual store reviews. That's your right as a paying customer and honestly may be the only way they'll listen.

[void ferry]

I think ear cat are a part of all things tgc make us disappointed but this one is maybe to much 🤷‍♂️

[spark lance]

Tgc really is trying to shut us up, and I hate them for it.

[languid snow]

🔼🔼🔼

[radiant drum]

Reactions have been disabled temporarily as they were being weaponized against others as well, not only used to show support. They should be brought back eventually, but at the moment it’s needed to keep discussions here constructive

[trail prairie]

It's more the straw that broke the camel's back, people have been upset about other things before, but the longer time passes with the less communication coming, the worse it just gets. It lingers, festers, and at some point one bad choice will just overflow the chalice

[spark lance]

Normal testing discussion for me involves finding/confirming bugs, server issues, cosmetics glitches and gameplay or season impressions, improvement ideas. I have gotten used to beta essentially being stun-locked for days when some iap thing happens (it’s always an iap), but I also wish this channel didn’t have this time-consuming habit.

People have a right to do it, and I’ll be patient, but I still dislike it more and more every time it happens.

[languid violet]

⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️

[elder roost]

THIS is also what we worry about because this problem has happened many times and when we see them change something good to becoming something less good, then we give feedbacks for it and witness them not even changing it back to the good version we wanted it to be. We worry they won't change it and that's why we're constantly talking about it so they will open their eyes and see how much we dislike this new update.

[dull forge]

If it would have been necessary to buy, then we would not be angry

But because we like it, change requires buying, and that's what makes people angry

The age limit of the game is 8+, the players are not very old, and there is not so much financial burden

What Tgc did this time is really disgusting and excessive, regardless of the player's feelings

[abstract roost]

Guys take the step now or never I am confident that they’re watching the comments 🔼🔼🔼🔼

[sonic oar]

Does anybody know which aurora cosmetics are iaps?

[radiant drum]

You can talk about seasonal-related content in #beta-season-test-chat!

[twilit swan]

hey, if it worked with genshin (which is owned by one of the most stubborn companies out there) itll prolly work here too

[cedar yew]

You all didn't? My review is almost always negative, while I change it between updates

[spark lance]

so... uwu small wholesome company fell into capitalist aspirations??? lol with normal reason without guilt tripping or sort of that stuff, people who rightfully complain maybe will be eased

[thorny jay]

You have a really good point!

[copper pagoda]

personally i just want it to be easier for casual players / returning vets / decently experienced moths to get cool stuff! let them get right into things like days of mischief or rainbow or whatever, rather than having them wait a full year for them to return because they entered the event late and they dont have enough time to get the candles they want to since they have to get used to the system / they cant grind for hours. f2p peeps r still part of the community and they like, deserve nice things too? and we dont have to make everything super cheap now just, add some more cosmetics that arent 70+ candles or iap locked yknow ^^;;

i do think that beta is not just for bugs or issues. if tgc didnt care about candle prices i dont think we'd have them in the first place, PLUS they have listened to us on making things igc before, so they do care about our feedback.

im just like, kinda disappointed by the current update and wanted to speak up since ive been watching since a whileee ago and i agree with y'all who also think this is sorta unfair tgc has a lottt of iaps already so i wouldnt say they're outright hurting for money atm?
ill probably skip mischief this yr and just grind for ts stuff if nothing changes tbh

[tiny tinsel]

i wish companies could just admit when they mess up or be honest about their choices without making us feel bad for even giving feedback at all

[waxen charm]

I was very saddened by the changes of the new hair to be honest,, students like me aren't lucky enough to be able to afford anything that cost money. I was excited for the new cat hair too

I just wanna share my thoughts so.. I hope you all understand (´•ω•`)

[hidden nova]

tgc hypocrisy at its finest

[dull forge]

If they still won't listen, what's the use of our discussion? The practice of changing the acquisition method is very bad. If tgc does not listen to opinions and make changes, the game will break sooner or later.💢😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅

[languid snow]

Guys we have to do something. TGC can ignore the feedbacks, but can't ignore bad reviews. Don't be afraid - the company must hear the players.

[gilded tree]

Cat cosmetic aside

I am still sad with the andro bug too, even the compensation bcz not all people get that

[spark lance]

Imagine after all these feedbacks they still won't bring the cat hair style back

||that is going to break discord feedbacks even more💀 ||

[blissful gulch]

I agree with you, but as you said, people are in all their right to complain about it, althougt i doubt that Tgc will even listen to us no matter what argument we give them, unfortunately it is the only thing that can be done

[limpid ocean]

Alright, when will the review bomb happen

[rare carbon]

This is why candles are just for TS. all cool stuff is IAP

[quiet swift]

BROO I CAN JUST IMAGINE 💀💀💀

[silk bison]

If tgc don't change the items back,The relationship between players and you will become faster.

[analog sun]

I'm too forgiving lol can't tolerate the disrespect anymore though
Changing my review as we speak and gonna get my friends to change theirs ❤️

[ocean cedar]

It will happen soon enough if they still don't listen

[humble plinth]

it’s been 9 hours since ive last checked this chat, the ranting is still going on? 💀

[sharp ice]

been 15 hours now i think..

[trim spade]

Are there any null items in spirit trees so that I don’t buy them yet?

[wintry tusk]

It must go on👹

[cedar yew]

I'm the speak my mind if there's something wrong kinda person, so I'm harsh on sky a lot
It's not that I actually hate the game, more like I care about it and hope it to get better

[gilded idol]

So what did tgc mess up this time?

[naive arrow]

I managed to sleep, I love to sleep during the day. But now I'm back. How are things going here? Oh, and I'll check out cooldown
Okay, 5 min, not so bad. After all, not 11.

[strong sentinel]

What are you going to review? Beta app? Most people won’t understand the current situation and google/appstore may clear these reviews ☠️
But at the same time we can’t wait until October… oof.

[brave vessel]

It’s been less than a day since the infamous change happened. At this rate it’s going to take two days for them to read through all the feedback.

[spark lance]

Where did you get the idea the feedback is discouraged ever? TGC made a feedback emote to make sure peoples thoughts actually get there. It’s they only way they’ll make changes.

And as a reminder, price and design changes have happened and will likely continue to happen if people ask for it. Season of Performance ult hair underwent tons of changes, little prince cosmetics were moved from iap to igc, and season of rainbow was delayed after community disappointment.

Venting is healthy and good, but putting it in reviews I think is spiteful. Don’t be blind to what you can all do and what changes are possible.

[spark lance]

Changing IGS comestic to IAP.

[river socket]

It would be hillarious if TGC was like

"Lol no" and makes even more iaps

[hoary goblet]

The question is what did they not mess up this time💀

[low prawn]

why not

[languid snow]

Then me and a lot of players will leave Sky that's for sure.

[west scroll]

You right but the hair was too good even i suprised that it was an IGC lol

[left quest]

I like this one.

[thorny jay]

Oh were supposed to schedule it?

I changed mime as soon as i saw Kit's comment and realized i still had it as 5 stars from when i first started playing lol

Better now when the thoughts are fresh than just put it off until tgc finds something they think will distract us with, i think

Editting to add: it's not just about the cat ears, the cat ears are just a part of a bigger issue. some of you are over simplifying here I think

[spark lance]

I think they're talking about ktjn coming in with the possibly intentional or un-intentional guilt trip about sacrificing time to be here to respond to feedback when saying that tbh

oh, still continuing?

[waxen charm]

Honestly, whenever i read the chat my mouth drops to the floor everytime

[tiny tinsel]

i don’t think we should go witch-hunt tgc with bad reviews and threaten them but they will keep losing new players over time if it keeps up…
also, as people wake up and see the news i think this chat will continue for a bit

also as a reply to @spark lance it’s been pretty obvious that TGC tends to respond badly to these bursts of negative feedback, even if they’re constructive and respectful. i get it, they pour heart and soul into the game so it can hurt to receive negative feedback but that’s part of asking for feedback. i’m not intentionally being mean, just stating what i see

[errant wadi]

Well in the end is really what they are doing right now

[hushed grove]

oh lord is it still happening?

[winter mesa]

Let us hope for the best!!! Sending lucky clovers 🍀🍀

[spark lance]

Deym it's been a while i gone. i thought it's done :v. guess not yet. anyway guys be patient. it's also need time to changes some of those. Hope y'all staff hear us and make actions for that. it's okay to do it slowly, prioritize yourself first staff. Keep fighting

[quiet swift]

I think it's gonna happen when tgc doesn't listen to us players and still makes the cat hair iap

[radiant cipher]

Watch them push the iap prices up even more by adding some candles to the bundle that I didn’t ask for 💀

[spark lance]

People are still going with this topic? hell nah ☠️

[ocean cedar]

Keep going until they change

[limpid ocean]

@river socket I mean didn't they already do that 💀

And to be honest bad reviews just shows the consequences of both parties actions. And leaving bad reviews will tell someone that downloading it may not be a good idea, As it's turning capitalistic.

[spark lance]

Wh- it's still going?? Bruuuhhh

[humble plinth]

i think the first problem tgc made is actually made a cat hairstyle, it’s way too much of a popular trend and if anything happens to it that the players don’t like it’s gonna get incredibly heated

[blissful gulch]

That is definitely the only way they listen to us, on Facebook i have seen that a lot of people have already starting doing it and honestly i don't feel anything for a millionaire that has been declining like this and only wants to get more money for us duh

[river socket]

The chaos never ends mae

[near tiger]

obvious, its not cool from tgc... 1 item free, the other are paywall...

[fair current]

i lost my cat hair cuz i bought the mask iap and didn't buy cat hair with candles

[plucky venture]

Same here

[languid snow]

That's why ||office cape|| and tgc guitar is that hella expensive

[analog sun]

Do it NOW while y'all still have that fire in you!!

[queen ridge]

[hushed grove]

I actually didn’t expect it to be this bad, but I also don’t want everyone to just leave it alone as if nothing has ever happened in the first place

[spark lance]

I see the end of the world is near if they does say that lmao

[zinc gate]

fr like this is a serious problem for f2ps

[spark lance]

the cat hair hanging on for it's life rn

[errant wadi]

Of course it's still going on, it's not f fair, it's been always from tgc to make more IAP cosmetics then F2P one in these "events' but right now they really made the worst, changing the cat hair in IAP just because they saw the community love them , and also making the "cat mask' f2p and removing all the details just because it doesn't cost money, it's enough thanks

[karmic field]

Maybe it's good theres uproar, hopefully they listen. People need to stop putting companies on a pedestal and treat em "wholesome uwuuuu companiiieee". A lot of game studio doing the absolute bare minimum and charging peoples souls for content. I wish they focused more on actual gameplay activities, instead milking players and preying on FOmo. There's cause and effect, hopefully they will listen cause this whole thing feels shady

[exotic hedge]

Good day. I have a question. The Halloween event started yesterday, and the cat's hairstyle was available for candles, but today it became donated, and I collected donated sets yesterday. How can I get it now?

[fervent jacinth]

"Cats should be banned from this point up"
He is right

[swift yarrow]

what's the point of candlerunning if all new cool items are IAPs 💀

** TS' items aren't new by the way.. they're returned items

[gilded idol]

Rip to those allergic to cats

[wispy harness]

😐

[fluid cobalt]

This hahahaha

[delicate willow]

Im very glad we are still talking about TGCS predatory marketing and the fact they dont listen to us its not just the cat hair theyve done with this, it just so happened to be the thing that made more people realize what TGC is doing and how they respond to feedback this has honestly been happening for a long time remember season of the little prince? They dont want to change their marketing strategies and they probably never will unless we keep talking about it TGC is not just some indie company anymore they have been bigger and making more money then ever with sky which is why there are so many IAPS because they have this cash cow and unless we keep talking about it, the prices will not change, their respone to feedback will not change. The fanbase will slowly die off and i can see that it already has

[ashen tusk]

Save up for expensive ts
'twas a joke

[rapid reef]

Honestly? I'm glad this is still going on. Because the communauty has been a doormat to TGC.

Their action has been predatory to paying customer and this keep on happening. Since I joined all I have seen is the descent of TGC. I'm so happy we aren't being silenced despite the attempts.

[humble plinth]

ok but you don’t have to throw shade like a conspiracy theorist tbh

[spark lance]

Yeah, but it's been hours of the same topic, we even had Ktjn explaining what happened over and over again being attacked while doing it, they already listened, if they're going to change something at least wait for em to drop the next beta ver ppl jeez

[peak atlas]

It does suck to see TGC fall down this rabbit hole, I do hope they listen to us about this.

It just hits a little different when one of your more favorite companies is starting to be reduced to money purchases in their wholesome game.

[limpid ocean]

Making it was never the problem, the switch and the downgrade of the item (ACTUAL MASK WITH CAT FEATURES) that it switched with (ANGRY RAVEN FROM TEEN TITANS MASK) was the problem. When it got positive reviews, beta testing turned into marketing testing. And I'm still siding with that thought.

[spark lance]

What about the older players who have the ts. All the have to look forward to is like one new item when events happen. And they're pretty lame too. The cat mask now for example compared to all the IAPs

[late sonnet]

That's not what happened. The sequence of events was that a week before the first build was released, they decided that it would be IAP, but the notes weren't conveyed until the build after (the current one)
So it just so happened that the up to date build was ready today.
This has nothing to do with whether the community likes it or not and there's internal factors we're not aware of.

[spark lance]

considering how much tgc leaves things like community feedback alone like it never happened, I kind of like that people are talking about it rn

even better that people realize this isn't just about cat hair, but with how tgc treats its playerbase this way over and over without becoming any more transparent or honest with them

been playing this game for a while and it's only getting worse and worse if you're not wanting to use that credit card

[spark lance]

I’ve no doubt you’re being honest with what you’re seeing and aren’t trying to be mean, but I don’t relate with what you’re seeing. More often than not the response to backlash like this is constant reminders to stay respectful and on topic. Followed by reaction removal and huge cooldowns to encourage that instead of the usual arguing.

Their response has always been very leveled. My criticism of tgc stems from their lack of transparency.

With respect, I’d be a lot harder on this community than they have been. Then again I’d never be a game creator/dev because it’s one of the most thankless jobs I can think of lol

[naive arrow]

So I'm not the only one thinking about Raven hahaha

[near tiger]

raven from teen titans lol... a man of culture i see ! you are right about the downgrade, its not cool from tgc

[silk aspen]

It's been like 14 hours now. You guys keep going

The cooldown is now lowered at least. And I get it, Justice needs to be served

[warm grove]

I'm also really sad about the cat hairstyle. It was such a cool cosmetic, I loved it, and I was sooo glad that TGC put it igc. I can't afford to pay for things. Should have known that they'd put it iap 😢 it's a really bad choice, and we all know that games becoming greedy are promised to die. It doesn't feel like a cute social game anymore where we can express ourselves with cosmetics by collecting candles. I's unfair for new players, really unfair, and even worse, the prices aren't even that affordable. For me in France, it's 20€~40€. I miss the time when we were excited about new events like crazy, cosmetics, map, etc... Now, we just hope at each of them that the cool cosmetics are gonna be igc and find ourselves disappointed that most of the cosmetics are IAP. They even removed the cool details from the mask just because it's not IAP, I feel like TGC is just mocking us at this point. That's not even only with the cat hairstyle. Days of summer 2022, all the cosmetics and props are IAP, and we can only buy a tent, for 90 candles?? Same for lazy days, where we can only afford the hat, and everything else cost real money??? Come on, it doesn't used to be like that.

[subtle juniper]

Simple Word: Justice.

[spark lance]

@ to the ppl that replied to me: Chill chill I am upset too lmao
I'd start being aggressive if I actually genuinely voice my thoughts on this

[river socket]

Honestly TGC's move was for profit, i doubt they'll revert the decision, lets hope they do

But honestly the playerbase should reduce their spending when seeing this prices, lower the demand will cause TGC to lower the price of stuff

Aka, dont buy

Thats our best way to strike back at inflation

[languid snow]

🔼

[cerulean lance]

Ay dw I'm too broke to do that in the first place 🥲

[plain helm]

i got good majority of the ts and some event items, and i agree, what's the point of even candole running if good majority of the cool kid's clothings are in the sky bourgeoisie shop wher i pay real life currency?

[teal spire]

Feedback still being attacked by disappointed people?
We must not lose this war.

[dull venture]

I love how everyone is having a peaceful debate about this issue 💕I know some haven’t been but that’s understandable when we are confused and feel like we haven’t been heard for such a long time please continue to voice your opinion because this is FEEDBACK which should be heard because we are the ones keeping this game afloat we put all of our time and money into this game so we at least expect to see some action to change our frustrations even if they claim hair wasn’t meant to be iap in the first place it would still be generous to make more items f2p because this is a GAME not a money farm I remember when we used to just buy the game and play it not companies claiming that games are free to play but continue to farm money off of us by putting their main game experience behind a paywall love you guys stay safe please continue to chat here and don’t listen to the others telling you to stop because this is what we are supposed to do especially if we are being treated unfairly it is only natural for us to speak about it make sure you guys eat a healthy meal and take breaks if you need too🥰🥰😘😘

[cursive tinsel]

This is nothing, the TLP backlash lasted weeks... here's hoping the next version brings some calm about IAPs and maybe a QnA session about pricing and f2p item selection in the future when it's cooled off

[zinc gate]

no. @limpid moat I agree their items are TOO expensive I've seen even 30 dollars for one cosmetic ...

[limpid moat]

Another gentle reminder to remember that marshmallow stick kit costs 19.99USD which is the equivalent with Adventure Pass Bundle pack 😊
And it doesn’t give us wax when we eat it nor any benefit really 😊

[muted frost]

Awww still no reactions 😔

[errant wadi]

If I said wrong, my apologies, but still it's not fair that most of always the IAP comestics are so much more of the f2p one and the fact of the mask that they changed it , I mean, it's never a cat mask , why then before it was IAP it had more details and now looks like just as a mad mask? And still it's tiring from tgc , candle run for the days of mischief is even useless.

[proper inlet]

Another reminder to stay peaceful and hydrated 💗 💧

[spark lance]

in my country you can rent a hotel for a day+meals for 20 usd

[rapid reef]

"This is annoying. We are tired!", "You've been going for long enough now!", "Is it over yet?"
Are you all not tired of the disrespect TGC show their f2p and paying customer? Honestly?

TGC is not our friend. They have been more and more against their playerbase. They have ignored reports and feedbacks many time in the past. This outburst is a result of accumulated disrespect toward the playerbase.

[spark lance]

hey, I'm sure people would have given feedback on the price in relation to its perceived value, but guess who decided to hide iap prices from the beta testers, whose entire job as one is to report bugs and give feedback on things

[trail prairie]

More important to know how many dreams they can crush on release

[restive compass]

I honestly miss the tgc back in season of dreams where they actually put effort in sky instead of haphazardly throwing things to a wall and hope it sticks

[plucky venture]

You blame TGC for not listening to players/testers, but that's exactly what they did. They changed the most popular cosmetics to iAP. But tbh they should have left the original mask, and make cat's cape for candles. Because imo this cape is generally so-so

[hallow flax]

no more cat hair for me...

[sand rune]

I think maybe tgc should considering like lowering all IAP prices in general, season passes aside.
The price hike is just too steep, too unjustifiable. Sure they need income but its a give and take
You lower the prices and more people might get it. If you're gonna make it an IAP, fine. But 17 pounds? Or is it 24? And you're forced to get the whole pack? No. That just doesn't cut it.
I've also heard they narrowed down the seasonal candle leeway to 2 days without doing quests which, I gotta say, not cool.

Like, look. I know you, the devs, put in time and effort into it, but even with the increasing player base, the F2P margin has only tightened.

[ashen tusk]

I just wanna point out that in the past Ktjn has said that sky is a "free to start" game but it's the community that recognise this as a "free to play" game - I'm not sure how much difference this distinction makes but I guess that's how there's less of a balance between igc and iap items during events?

It was mentioned here:
#beta-discussion message

[subtle juniper]

I totally agree with this. Recently they been ignoring the android players Who couldn't play on their devices after update,making stupid posts that looked mocking at some point even.

Server errors happen so often yet,never ever compensation,not a single time. They never think that maybe that server crash ruined someone candle run time.

And don't tell me Its not their fault,they don't wanna fix their servers or the splits.

They just want your money.

[blissful gulch]

Oh and don't forget that if you want to use it you need to have a campfire nearby because it doesn't even come with one included Lmao

[spark lance]

⬆️ this is exactly it. People are not only upset about the cat hair (which it is a big deal) but about the IAPs in general. The cat hair was just a tipping point for people to finally let out their frustration with the game that has been having problems, not only bugs n all but the prices. I've said this before but I truly believe this, its not fair to remove the visibility of the prices because they are always ALWAYS ridiculously high in the end. When it's too late to do anything. TGC knows this.

[limpid moat]

And remember everyone, BOYCOTTING DAYS OF MISCHIEF IAPs in Live if they stick to current decisions is another way. We have been voicing out our dissatisfaction for almost a day, i hope we still have the energy to push feedbacks for days till next update change and hopefully better for Live later

[dull forge]

Is it that we can't express our love for objects in the future? Otherwise they will change the way the item is obtained! I think even if tgc doesn't change the way cats are acquired, there are players who buy it, so they bully us with our love?

[humble plinth]

ive always had a problem with the prices in iap bundles in this game tbh
they’re way more expensive and invaluable than anything else in this game, these prices need an overhaul

[chilly zenith]

i think people should boycott the game in general lol, this is getting too bad

yes, it is still going get used to it /lh

[radiant cipher]

Sadly it’s not the first time the community had been upset about changes they’ve made. And I think it’s good that ppl are upset cause we do deserve a well functioning and fair game game overall no matter “how small the company is” which seems to be a recurring line. No matter how “small” the company is it doesn’t justify the pricing. That money company is out for your wallet👍🏻

[real hull]

it's still going

[hoary goblet]

I agree but this rarely works. This would only be great if at least half of the community was on it, but from what we've seen in the past this is unlikely to happen. A huge group of the player base will probably buy it, others who won't be able to buy it might be sad for a bit and then new event or season and everyone will move on. It's just that time and time again majority of the community, even those who aren't happy with TGC still spend money on the game. Either because of Fomo or just because. Realistically speaking beta player base is small compared to live, and if majority of live is happy or neutral about the decisions (which, again, from what I've seen this is usually the case) then TGC is happy also and they don't have a need to change anything, unfortunately. Boycotting is a great thing honestly but it will only work if the company cares enough or 50%+ of the players will be on it, I don't see it happening/working with Sky

[warm grove]

that's true! We need to boycott days of mischief IAP if nothing changes!!

[spark lance]

Guys, some staff are listening and caring for us. it's not that fast to make change in game. but well i do agree that they have been ignoring us for previous feedback. and i think this is the first time some staff join to this debate and discussion. I hope y'all staff can do better okay. I don't recommend review bombing tbh because i don't want they see us as toxic community, but welp if everything getting worst later, then review bombing is our last choice 🙂

[errant wadi]

Until they listen , mostly they have to listen cause if they don't, I really can feel the chaos miles away after all of those feedback

[rapid reef]

That's not listening. That's predatory behavior on their playerbase. They saw an item do well and immediatly switched, reducing the mask's quality.
Claim it was planned way before we knew their existence and yet the hair was said to be IGC at first too.

It's not them listening. It's them preying on their customers.

[spark lance]

honestly this game is the stingiest one I've ever played android players got compensation, like once, and I think there was another one for the switch?

it's funny how in other games, people complain about how 'little' the anniversary gifts are when sky makes you buy everything yourself like a normal event

[copper pagoda]

ok i have to ask where exactly it says its a free to start game in ios
bcos its description generally says "open to all" "experience at your own pace" "unlock items for your skid (no mention of needing money beforehand)", etc.

like i dont see anything that says its only free to start and not free to play

[spark lance]

Power of anime cat hair

[dull venture]

Also, about what the dev said about them being human seems very self centered to me because WE are human too yet they treat us like cash registers like we are robots all we are asking for is some change and I know they know why we are upset I think they just don’t want to change it and blame it on us for calling them out in the chat..plus we wouldn’t be debating right now if they would have changed it upon seeing how upset we were that’s what I would do if I was a game developer I would hate to see my player base upset over a simple problem that can be fixed but it’s seems they rather argue with us rather than listen to our feedback and change it I really don’t understand why they are making this a big issue when they changed it to iap so they can clearly change it back it’s so simple

[spark lance]

skykids in the future are gonna remember this as the great cat hair chaos

[lost nest]

Going off of what Sharkie said, let's also remember they're selling a handpan for $19.99. The costs just keep going up. TGC relies on the fear of missing out to keep their players hooked, or waves of new players from things like the new Aurora season.

Do they not care about their younger players who will either have no choice but to miss out or nag their guardians?
What about people who just want to have a nice, relaxing game they can play with friends without having to spend money?

[spark lance]

I started playing since April, thinking that everything is all fun and cool and seeing ppl's positive thoughts on TGC made me think this is a rlly cool game company

And now these stuff I've seen completely changed my mind to a 180 degree 💀

[spark lance]

We can play with friends without spending tho-

[ashen tusk]

I'm not sure it says it anywhere but apparently that's the correct term for the genre of game that you can join for free but has in app purchasing? That's the take away I got from their message at least

[subtle juniper]

I think so too BUT YOU HAD TO MAIL THEM. And even then some people never got the comprnsation. How sad It has to be that you have to do the job of the company and mail them to give you rewards for their mistakes? I don't get It....
They added a mail system for? Nothing at this point. I don't expect anything out of them.

[sharp ice]

10$ = add a friend (i'm just joking)

[junior hearth]

Yall’ need to stop defending tgc with the excuse that is an “Indie company” they make an estimate of $24.2M per year.!

[mild mason]

I agree, I’m playing bts island and they compensate every time they have an update. Giving free candles won’t cost TGC anything

[silk aspen]

I started in march this year, and same here. But it already went off with the Season of Shattering being an absolute disaster.

Personally I think they would Profit more if they just lowered the ridicilous prices most can't even pay for. But of course they wouldn't think about that.

[spark lance]

Its an social mmorpg adventure game
And before y'all say something rpg is role playing game
And as skykids we are playing a role

[humble plinth]

i think some of you should chill and stop thinking that you are going to “rebel” against tgc and thinking what you’re doing is “heroic justice”
they’re people after all, and people make mistakes, anyone who tells you they’ve never made a mistake in their lives is lying, and the entire company has to group and discuss about something before they change it and with how fast this whole situation is going there’s no way they’re able to change it as fast as how people want it to be
it’s beta after all, we will wait and see what happens in the future, do know that they wouldn’t just immediately change it since updates don’t come out that often
im not trying to “praise and protect” tgc here, im just saying that some of you should chill with your tones a bit

and review bombing is just rude and doesn’t get anything done, doing that accomplishes nothing and is just stupid

[plain helm]

TGC following EA's path/hj

[dull forge]

Many players are dissatisfied, but there are also many players who have no opinion on changing the acquisition method, or more people are willing to pay for it. The price of a cat in our country is 640, which has a great impact on gamers in our country.

[ocean cedar]

Reactions?!

[restive compass]

Honestly they don't even do the minimum when it comes to compensation for things that inhibit gameplay like maintenance or straight up the hundreds of server issues

[late sonnet]

Literally no one has brought up that defence at all throughout all of this lol

[spark lance]

yeah, even if it would be just 5 candles. at least for me.

[trail prairie]

I honestly don't understand why they don't just do like virtually every other decent game on the market and just give out universal compensation

Oh shock horror, someone got a few more candles than they would've otherwise, the economy is in ruins!

[hallow flax]

if the price is low, that means more people will buy and that means fast money gain right?

[iron nacelle]

tgc is the only game that doesnt give compensation, they need to take some notes out of crk imo

[spark lance]

I think rpg involves choosing a “class” (warrior, bow user, tank, healer, etc) so I think sky is just a social multiplayer game

[limpid moat]

Oh yes THAT HANDPAN, and as someone that could afford it, I didn’t purchase it till now. It’s literally sounds the same as other handpan instrument.
I would have to say we gotta rally for boycotting DOM IAPs in Live (if changes that affect f2p players badly still stick)

[analog sun]

TGC expects y’all to be OK with the game being down for maintenance constantly even if it’s in the middle of the season. They will never compensate you for it.

They expect you all to be ok with the “casual” game turning into a grind fest, even towards seasonal items despite paying for a pass.

This is a company, they are not your friends. You, as a customer, have the right to be heard through reviews that reflect your thoughts on the matter.

Review bombing is not a witch hunt or rude. It’s the result of being constantly disrespected by a company.

[livid ridge]

I dont think they gonna give it back lmao remember that yellow umbrella? This gonna be the same too

[spark lance]

For those young teen introvert player who doesn't have money that playing for the beautiful view, cosmetic, and instrument. It's a big no for me. 😄

I think this chaos it's not toxic as much as (i don't need to say it)
i would like to say this is the peacefull chaos i ever seen in community XD in my opinion ofc

[rapid reef]

This is not a mistake, however. It's them disrespecting their playerbase and preying on their paying customers.

If you want thing to stay the same, good for you. But TGC's disrespect and constant ignoring of their playerbase need to be slowed down, or it will keep in getting worst.

[copper pagoda]

@lost nest
frankly sky is being advertised as a nice relaxing game where u can just chill
but nowadays its like. lowkey peer pressue to get the newest things and grind grind grind
i have to play on and off bc it can be so stressful n its not a sustainable thing for me and many other :/ i want what was shown to me initially but lots of ppl stopped playing bcos of the stress these cosmetics give them

@ashen tusk
that makes it seem like its basically a free trial ngl
f2p is a genre where you can still experience the game and have fun with it even if you dont use money
and sure you can still do that but its getting harder and harder now O(-(
i will say that i meant an explicit mention of the game being free to start rather than free to play
bcos if thats not there then i disagree, ppl will call it the community name bc its the more general one, and there was no other thing that said it wasnt that
itd be unfair to blame it on the community when we didnt have any other name given for it and just chose the closest well known term for it imo

[river socket]

Been here for 2 years and i relate your experience xD

[topaz rapids]

That is very untrue, lots of other games never give compensation even when their servers are down for a long time

[errant wadi]

No I really feel that it will be like this too HAHAHA also if your Italian hi I'm Italian too in the case sorry for misunderstanding

[real hull]

like Voez

[chilly zenith]

nah cause how do they keep messing up 20 other things after making one thing better after a maintenance /gen, and CONSTANTLY may i add

like how do they just let that happen 😕

[radiant cipher]

True, they’ve never given a proper compensation. Here the other day when the servers were down and game unplayable I was like ok you want me to cr and grind for everything but it’s not possible to cr and you’re not going to give me the candles I otherwise would’ve got if the server wasn’t down?👁️👄👁️ They just gave us an extra ts day like dude that’s not helpful 👀 still lost those candles yk

[limpid ocean]

What do you mean, they literally changed it from IGC to IAP overnight

And to be honest we don't know what they are doing, so we assume that they are watching us. Lack of transparency, beta testers used for marketing purposes and capitalistic approach. It's been hours since our last interaction with a dev. And to be honest, I guess they have their own lives. And probably "Improving the game" even though android has been on fire. But couldn't they drop the "Improving the game" for a minute and actually communicate with their community? At least give closure that we are being heard, and that we are actually a part of these endeavor instead of feeling like we are being used as tools, for profit. Which is probably what it is.

[subtle juniper]

People got 10 candles after maintinance,we have to make TS more expensive since our economy is ruined!

Candle Inflation!

[ashen tusk]

To clarify - I didn't say either way, I was just pointing out what Ktjn mentioned in the recent past about it as a free to start and how that's the correct term - I don't know if tgc has ever stipulated this previously or not but I can't recall it at least.

[lost nest]

I know that because my broke self Does so, but it's not exactly a fun time having all of the cool things they add be behind paywalls. Especially ones that keep getting bigger and bigger. The added pressure of 'who knows when you'll ever see this spirit again' also sucks.

I may not have made my point really clear. My point is putting everything cool behind a paywall and relying on FOMO to keep people paying and playing is a pretty scummy thing to do and leads to a lot of people getting sick of it.

@copper pagoda
exactly, i downloaded sky for the first time back in 2019. it was super chill, super relaxed, i didn't know they had IAPs. now it's just like 'oooo you'll never see this 200 candle outfit again'

[plucky venture]

It is not surprising that a company that earns exclusively on such sales wants to earn more. However, if they approach the process wisely, they can earn even more. For example, for a pack, they can make a scarf in the form of a cat's tail. And to make such a popular cat hairstyle a separate iAP with a low cost. You don't need to be a math genius to understand that in this case the total profit will be greater

[spark lance]

lmao so tru, in few days I'm hitting my 1st anniversary and kinda ehhh... not exited about future

[dull venture]

This is not a one time thing though if it was then okay but us skykids have been going through this for a heck of a long time so this is not just about the hair this is everyone speaking out and venting their frustrations with the whole system in general because it is unfair and uncivilized I’m surprised that f2p games are even allowed to do this we have already given them chance after chance this is their fault for not fixing the problem and we have already acknowledged multiple times that they ARE human we just want fair treatment and you can’t blame us for being frustrated it’s like taking years of abuse from someone and finally speaking out about it only to get blamed and be called the problem

[spark lance]

literally my first information about tgc beyond sky itself is the one situation where chinese and korean players were arguing about from which culture a cosmetic was inspired from

jenova chen is chinese and they sided with the chinese players despite it obviously being a gat (literally look it up and if you're familliar with dreams you'll know which cosmetic it is already lmao)

not a good first impression only for the days of rainbow charity drama to happen soon after 💀

[solar stirrup]

Can someone please give me a quick recap on what people are debating right now? Little late here— still updating my beta game

[humble plinth]

ok i know you guys are upset but review bombing won’t get anything done, it does nothing aside from being rude and there’s 100% better ways around it, y’all need to chill down and stop thinking like you’re going to blow up tgc’s office

[spark lance]

It was literally fine the way it was before the change. It was perfect, the cute original cat mask + cape iap plus if ud like a cat backpack iap. Then a cool new hairstyle for a reasonable price of 66 candles to f2p people

[fair pewter]

2 years ++ here and same Ive been watching this kind of situation and Im really upset about the swapping prices

[sharp ice]

i am helloo :D

[brave vessel]

Why do you all think players allow FOMO to dictate their experience in these games? I’m quite intrigued by this phenomenon and would love to hear input on the matter.

[austere merlin]

Y’all still on the cat thing?

[gilded parrot]

We ask everyone to please post only in English on this server, @dull forge. Unfortunately, moderators and staff aren't able to support all the languages spoken by our global Sky family.

[spark lance]

u are completely right, people aren't considering the option of they can remove the hair and topic done if they get too rude enough to do a review bomb

[ocean cedar]

Mr. Crabs is probably behind TGC

[queen ridge]

🥲I started playing since January 2021.And that time cosmetics is beautiful and free.My friend told me it’s a free game and you needn’t pay any for it just play everyday so I can get nice cosmetics.But now iap become more and more….and price is so high🥲 and so much that I can’t afford.I need collect my pocket money every month just for sky’s new iap🥺

[spark lance]

It's literally the definition role-playing- game is even in the description of the Google play. Stardew valley is an rpg so does club penguin
If you play a role it's a rpg

[arctic holly]

I hope TGC will rethink changing cat hair. Hopefully it will be exchanged by candles when it comes to the live version

[warm grove]

to my opinion not EVERYONE at TGC is to blame. Some ear us and care! Just an important point to mention. However, I also want to point out that review bombing isn't "rude". It's just expressing your opinion and it's the community wanting to be heard. Of course, no hate, no insults, need to remind that too, but I'm confident that this community is responsible and kind enough to not cross the line.

[delicate willow]

I miss the times where i would play skys closed beta on my friends phone and eventually getting it myself the day of its release im not liking the direction TGC has been heading. Dont you guys remember the summer umbrella? Or little prince? And their anniversary reskin guitar? AND all the reskins of already existing instruments in the music shop. They wont change

[restive compass]

Honestly the devs are low key lucky we didn't go absolutely feral yet and went down the same route the fans of a game starting with "g" did on their anniversary

[silk aspen]

Yes, technically this would be a smart strategy of gaining money. Lower the price so more players are willing to actually pay for the cosmetics/items. Because most people are not going to think about buying a literal marshmallow kit that does nothing for $19.99 USD or so. It's just too darn expensive.

[chilly zenith]

people who are saying review bombing is a bad idea, did you guys miss the constant messages explaining why they’re resorting to review bombing? or…?

[spiral yacht]

||let's call it tea💀||

[subtle juniper]

Sky impact of the light

[late sonnet]

ongoing grudge about IAP vs IGC disparity exploded because a well received igc item became an IAP one
when the decision was made a week before it was in beta what it meant to be, but apparently that's not the crux of the problem because ppl are just upset that there has always been a higher percentage of IAP offered as opposed to IGC, then stack on the candle cost of that and we have a mess

[thorny jay]

Its putting feedback for a business in a public space? Nobody said it's going to take them down, nobody here WANTS the game to fail. We love this game, we mostly like the company, we just want to feel heard

Its a review in an app store. Where reviews go for apps. If people are unhappy with the app, i encourage people to leave reviews on the app. Just like you're encouraged to when you like a game.

And again idk about you guys but it's not just about the cat hair 😭 if they remove it i won't die. But it will kind of show they'd rather scrap an idea entirely than handle feedback on it so take that as you want

[old idol]

Sky is a mmo bot mmorpg lol

[limpid moat]

Another gentle reminder to remember that now TGC hide the price of all IAPs in Beta
😊

[dull venture]

I’ve known tcg for a while now I was there when they were still developing Journey I saw the documentary featuring them and they were very small at the time but they still were giving it their all to get Journey out and it was an amazing game ot was stunning and unique all of their games are they are like no other. I was really looking forward to it but now that small company we all love to adore is going down a horrible path and I feel like people are only defending this game because it’s cute well..their actions aren’t cute

[errant wadi]

Oooh hello there what a surprise, Italian players on sky are so rare to see help HAHAHA

JESUS 5 MINUTES

[lament ledge]

Mhm. Surprised it hasn't happened yet knowing that that game and sky share a fair amount of players

[trail prairie]

The only reason I bought it is because I have a friend who adores the game and wants the IAPs, I know they'd be sad if they didn't get it because they were a bit broke rn. Personally I'm fine using theirs or the one in the event area (btw hello where is my spells??)

[hoary goblet]

Oh but they do. A generous compensation of a few trail spells and if you're lucky a few candles. Even more lucky if you actually recieve the compensation since time and time again they've messed up compensation and went "We've fixed it, move on" to those who never got one/big fat sarcasm

[copper pagoda]

@ashen tusk
thats fair! just clarifying that id prefer they not say "the community started calling it f2p" when we werent aware of any specific alternatives they wanted us to use. i also wanted to point out that there isnt any explicit mention of the game being only "free to start" on the ios page, so that part was wrong too (id prefer they be more straightforward with it from now on if they were referring to some part of the current description, as some may take it as they literally put that in the description as i did).

@spark lance
ah, they actually call it an mmorpg (specifically an open world mmorpg) in its ios description lol. thats probably what the user was refering to

i started playing in assembly but only really understood the whole season thing by flight tbh. dont have many cosmetics as i can only play casually, so it is kinda disappointing to only have the options of iap or grindfest if i want anything past the moff outfit

[topaz rapids]

If they were following in EA's footsteps we'd have to pay for access past isle, thank god we don't have to

[humble plinth]

well you can still just leave normal reviews, not bombing them with flooding waves of unneeded 1 stars, i don’t see the need to spam anything anywhere

[analog sun]

They keep acting like TGC is their friend lol
Reviews are a way to give feedback
TGC has failed to care about their customers’ feedback therefore they are open to getting negative store reviews like any other company 🤷‍♀️

[gilded parrot]

We ask everyone to please post only in English on this server, @lapis flower. Unfortunately, moderators and staff aren't able to support all the languages spoken by our global Sky family.

[signal folio]

FOMO is a larger issue for younger players, so it's an issue that there are thing increasing it.

TS prices have gone up allegedly because the chev system "makes it easier" but it actually nerfs the amount of candle you can get in a day. Now IAPs are also going up in price.

If your whole ethos is based around expression, kindness, and friendship, then you shouldn't be stressing out the kids playing this game.

[real hull]

$15 to honk

[near tiger]

👍

[livid ridge]

The yellow umbrella, little prince cape it's just the same all over again, once tgc see what people love, they will immediately make it into money gathering tool for them they never change lmao

[sharp ice]

mind adding me? :D

[gilded parrot]

We ask everyone to please post only in English on this server, @dull forge. Unfortunately, moderators and staff aren't able to support all the languages spoken by our global Sky family.

[spark lance]

As a long time player this is very true; i used to purchase almost all the items of an event since there used to be only 1-2 iap item(s) per event and now they're just treating us like infinite cash dispensers. i get that inflation hit everyone hard, but i feel like this capitalistic approach would not help at all since people would not really consider even purchasing anything due to the high price

ex. selling 20 hats and asking $5 for each of them is more successful than selling 5 hats for $20 as it reached more people who could then recommend it to other folks and therefore have a bigger reach and that would ultimately result in a growth in buyers (from several groups, not just the ones wealthy enough to spend that much). the same could be said about the sky system, it is getting less sustainable and they're losing long-time iap buyers, which is why they make the prices higher to compensate for what is lost but it really is just a matter of time since the group of wealthy players is not infinite nor a majority of their fan base

[radiant drum]

Please do keep messages in English y'all

[fair pewter]

I just imagine if we need to pay to enter each realm to cr

[radiant cipher]

What’s next? Ads after every cutscene unless you subscribe to sky+ Paying a price of 20bucks a month 🕳🏃🏼‍♀️

[sand rune]

Still, I find it a bit humourous
Kjin said the game was free to start
I mean this statement may be false but, just judging the statement alone and not who said it,

Well, sure. The intended experience is there, finish the game, maybe acsend a few spirits, then just drop off maybe idk. Is that what the devs intend?
I mean sure, the base experience is there, but the additional content isn't really completely out of the loop either. Like, cosmetics. Okay I know this game is about communication, social experience in a virtual environment, yes, but the cosmetics is like half of the game.
The base game is, you explore, you ascend, you chat, period. Once the base spirits are all and done that's it.

But the point of all these events and seasons are not just to attract new players, it's also to give veterans more to do, to retain the player base.

The "free to start" doesn't really work cuz well fine I'll start, then I'll just stop.
And well that's not an issue, but well
The free content is, you know, getting less

I mean tgc does need an income, and the nature of sky is hard to sustain, but
Come on now, making things more expensive isn't a solution

Plus it's very noticable

Also whoever keeps sending the Chinese stuff, you're not gonna make things any better by just venting here. You may be angry but well let's say most of us all aren't too happy either, but that's just not the way to do it

[ashen tusk]

Miri can we please have reactions back okay thank you

[limpid ocean]

Well.... In the past review bombing definitely helped in fixing genshin impact, it sure would help fixing TGC.

And fyi, TGC is basically self destructing, so their is no "You're going to blow up TGC's office" And how can review bombing be rude when,

1. We voiced our opinions and concerns.
2. Personal life was brought to the conversation (Which is concerning but also guilt tripping)
3. It's been hours... what options do we have left?
4. It already happen in the past, which in turn will make the review bombing happen even more.

[terse drum]

Plus its better then selling things in groups with things people dont rly want for a higher price
like id love to just get the cat hair but idrc that much abt the cape 🥲

[spark lance]

Don't give em ideas 🏃‍♀️💨💨

[twilit swan]

i mean its HAIR. id be willing to pay like 2 or 3 dollars for it if its absolutely NECESSARY but not 20

[radiant drum]

Reactions have been disabled to help keep chat constructive. Things are still a little heated right now, and that's alright, so we're keeping them off. But they should be back eventually, this is not a permanent change

[sharp kraken]

Pff i feel like if theyre gonna change the cat hair from iap to igc they will also remove the cool details from it and do the same like they did with the mask

[peak loom]

My friend wanted to be Neco Arc since the hair looks like her hair. Well not anymore i guess lol

[shy ore]

When there's a lesser discussions without more discussions, am I right?

[spark lance]

For your 3rd point. It seems that tgc employees only live/work in 1 time zone so we are forced to wait some time before they make an official reaction. I don’t think waking them to get a simple acknowledgment will be worth it.

[copper pagoda]

ok but csp (art program) added a subscription service after promoting itself as a one time purchase software for yrs so u never know... 💀

if they start a mandatory subscript service tho a whole bunch of their playerbase will have to woosh to another game ;;

[radiant drum]

Ktjn's statement about the game being "free to start" was regarding concerns when the term was seen in an article, the App Store, something like that a long time ago. They were simply clarifying at the time it meant exactly the same as what we usually refer to "free to play" and nothing was really changing.

Players may share criticism on the game, but let's not take things shared in the past out of context

[earnest orbit]

[analog sun]

Anyone who wants to see the guilt trip can find it here!
#beta-discussion message

[gilded idol]

You know your game has peaked when bts island of all things has better responses than you

[spark lance]

If we think about it aside from season (that also have iap) what type of new content we get? Events? And kind of content we get? Cosmetics! But now most of the new content is locked behind an iap wall. 🤷

[pulsar cloak]

i do agree w the sentiment displayed here but id like to adress the "It's been hours" comment. take a breath and focus on the world around u and not sky just for a moment..

tgc is a company, they have to go through public relations and meetings and most of the meetings they have to do daily is not about beta most likely.

give them a few days. maybe a week . because they also have to talk to their coders about adding the better mask in and about what's best for the company in terms of iap and stuff

if i saw correctly the cat pack doesn't even have a price yet.

it's good to give ur feedback though but remember ppl need time

[placid iron]

This community dissapoints me tbh, people are literally review bombing because of a single cosmetic thats still in development

[topaz rapids]

Really? Over something still in beta????

[spark lance]

ngl no matter the price, I wouldn't buy it myself given the context of it being iap

same reason I'll just be skipping out on iaps in general from now on no matter how small, if the only way we actually get tgc to listen to valid concerns sometimes by full-on out transforming the entire beta discussion chat (thank god season's is separate now) into a debate room, idt I'd want to support it

[subtle juniper]

I feel like I readed a Twitter thread

[ashen tusk]

Ah I see, I remembered reading it but I must have misunderstood, I thought they meant the terms had specific distinctions

[spark lance]

Stop with the "guilt tripping" bud, she was trying to explain for more than an hour and ppl were ripping her off. She was overwhelmed, if people can't see that they shouldn't be playing a social game like Sky smh

[livid ridge]

Lemme guess what gonna continue next.
They will bring back the old cat massk design and sell it like 100+ candle to calm people down, the hair still stay in the pack.
Then next couple months, they will prob add something like cat ears accessory and sell it with high price
Just like when people get mad about the cape during little prince season they just left us a pant with 200 candles and everyone will soon forget

[radiant drum]

Perhaps. We also don't like taking reactions away and would like to have them back as soon as possible, but when it's being used in a negative way to attack others, this is the best way to keep the peace so everyone can discuss their thoughts— we can all still do this with text-only

[spark lance]

More like the collective frustrations of a playerbase that has been very lenient with what trajectory the game has been taking for about what? Two years now. This has been building up for quite some time

[signal folio]

^this^

And I assume that most players willing to pay are like me. I'll buy a season pass every few seasons and maybe a cheap IAP. In total I've only bought 2 AP and the starter pack, so like $25 bucks in 3ish years. Making packs $20 is not going to entice people like me at all. If something is 1.99 or 4.99 I'll actually consider it.

Anything over 9.99 is out of the question, and I'd never buy a single cosmetic without any candles for 9.99 alone.

[restive compass]

Again, this is simply the straw the broke the camel's back...

[rapid reef]

It's not about cosmetics. If you believe this entire fiasco is just over a cosmetics you are heavily missing the point.

This is about the predatory actions TGC has taken over the years toward it's paying players, the disrespect toward F2Ps and the continuing cycle of ignoring feedbacks and report for changes that make the game experience less enjoyable for players.

This is not about a cosmetic. This is about the constant degradation of TGC.

[plain helm]

yeah completely unrelated but im still impressed (not in a good way obv) they released shattering when the season itself didn't looked that finished 💀💀

[spark lance]

Oh welp,we also don't know what they're thinking. i hope y'all devs and staff didn't disappointed us more 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻 i know y'all human but we players also not a money machine. we all need money. we also need savings. "They don't ask you all to buy it"
Then please don't give the whole community false hope in the first place. and the way they downgrade some items and put the good one in iaps. and the price that kinda "not wallet friendly" for some Players especially like me young teen player. and nada mentioned me that y'all staff can change the items overnight. I believe y'all staff and devs can do better with this. and remember guys review bombing it's the last choice if they still don't change anything until the event start. just wait for them to change it. let's trust the devs and staff for now. we know they will do their best 👍

[humble plinth]

the difference between genshin and sky is that mihoyo just don’t have good spirits, they need that rude wave of spam to knock them clear
tgc is not to the point being outright rude despite how ridiculous this event has been, at least ktjn still bothered to explain a little bit back then

but still i completely disagree with justifying review bombing, send them messages anywhere else but places that spam and clogs things up for other casual players who doesn’t care about things like these

[errant wadi]

"500€ to hold your hand's friend?"

[opaque cipher]

Is the beta fire still burning?

[drowsy barn]

The thing is though, people guilt trip the TGC staff a lot too so I don’t think we’re really in the position to kind of criticize the TGC staff. Just my two cents tho

[spark lance]

"RM890 to piggyback a friend?"

[shy ore]

Copy that. ;>

[dull forge]

I don't want to scold anymore, I really need to learn Weibo I don't want to be polite anymore, don't respect us, why should we respect tgc?无语

[spark lance]

I thought the all the prices are going to be hidden until it’s in live?(including the cat pack) for all we know they could be decided already and we just don’t know it?

Who has reactions I’m jealous

[near tiger]

1,99$ to unlock 1 world, 10$ for unlock eden ! to reborn, 200 candles

[terse flame]

I want the hair from witch hat

[analog sun]

Can’t guilt trip a company. People need to stop acting like mods and devs are your friends
This is an employee that responded unprofessionally. She gets to be criticized.

[pastel echo]

i've been reading messages here since the last update, i feel frustrated too but no need to go that far for now,let's wait a little longer, let's wait the next update and maybe then we could cry,,,

[sand rune]

Still it's kinda undeniable that the path sky is going rn is a bit, you know, veering off into another direction.
Plus it's just the overall build up of distrust. Actions speak louder than words, and no matter how much effort you put in, people only really look at what they can see.
Seeing is believing, and everyone would love to see words backed by action, but well, so far it.... Hasn't...
Like sure it's hasn't been 24 hours yet, and we should give devs a bit of time to Consider,
But
Even though the hair IAP change is only in beta and may not be indicative of end product, a spark is enough to start the biggest wildfires

Until there's a resolve, nothing will properly solve or calm the community down. Some will choose to voice it more extremely, some may still try to see reason, but the dissent will not be quelled until actions are observed.

[dull venture]

This👏🏾👏🏾

[zinc gate]

#beta-feedback

[still socket]

Hope tomorrow, we get up, we see an update, it is about changing cat hair iaps to igc

[subtle juniper]

It doesn't even have new poses or emotions 💀 💀
This season looked literally like "we want you to buy passes and farm. Thats all you get. Thanks."

[real hull]

amen

[strange glen]

the only thing i want is the old version of cat mask

[spark lance]

I think what's hurting this community really is the decisions that TGC take, the reaction of mostly beta players and the devs being caught in the crossfire. Unfortunately the only people to take the brunt of our frustration is the devs who are active on discord

[graceful widget]

Hope the cat hair is changed to igc, please! please!

[magic jetty]

hello

[gilded idol]

new minigames and quests, as well as other ways to exhaust chevs besides candle running everyday please?

[humble plinth]

i know you guys are very heated because you all love the game, if you don’t like the game you wouldn’t have been keeping this flame alive for 19 hours
but still, try to stay calm, they 100% have heard your voices and things will change, for the better or the worse, in a few days, we really should wait and see what happens first

[spark lance]

oh my lord...... What did I just came into

[lyric crag]

I just want them to stop making the price for the iaps hidden it's like they don't like how we're giving feedback about their overpriced cosmetics

[thorny jay]

Its literally not about just one cosmetic, read back up and please see why review bombing even came up. If you're going to be disappointed might as well be informed as well.

[spark lance]

Or they can make cat ear as IGC instead of cat hair.. so you can use it with any hair.
Let the cat hair + cape be IAP bundle,
At least players who can't spend money can hv something nice too 🥰
We can start leaving ideas abt what they can do abt this situation

[plain helm]

fr fr, plus i don't visit the shards everyday due to pure laziness because most of the time they're black shards and also cuz i already got a bunch of ac?☠️☠️☠️

anyways, about that tgc x ea joke thing:
"oh so you wanna get this emote you saw in golden wasteland? one liver please"

[ocean cedar]

The community is disappointing to me bcuz "UwU TGC is just a small company" which leads to this bcuz they kept letting TGC get away with the bad decisions back then

Bcuz of certain parts of the community keeps defending TGC no matter what they did,
It just give TGC more freedom to do what they want bcuz they know those ppl will defend them to the very end.

[spark lance]

Accusing a mod of guilt tripping when they are voicing frustrations over a community that doesn’t listen to anything they have to say is indicative of a community that is not only toxic but lacks empathy for the people taking time out of their busy day for them. Show some respect, everyone. Ktjn is just a mod trying to do their job past work hours and had to give up a lot for this community so clearly they care.

It isn’t guilt tripping it’s voicing frustration and being a little tired. I’ve been guilt tripped by people my whole life and none of what they said was guilt tripping.

Honestly, I don’t think you all realize how much you antagonize the moderators here. They exist to keep the peace but anytime they voice annoyance it’s guilt tripping?????

So much for compassion and empathy and the message of Sky? 😶

[nova agate]

y’all have been complaining for hours
and no reactions?? WHAT DID BETA CHAT DO

[trail prairie]

I'm using the fire of the chat to cook

[twilit swan]

yeah, this is what made me suspicious initially (imma new player so i wasnt here for a lot of older stuff) because what other reason would you hide the price...

[spark lance]

well,was there any change by TGC on the price of cat hair?

[pulsar cloak]

i agree with syd on this post. guilt tripping is a v water downed word in the internet and the post specified sounded like someone who was overwhelmed by the influx of feedback n felt like the situation needed diffusing now rather than later. I've been in this situation before and had to go back n explain my usage of words and apologize. she did the same thing. holding someone to their actions is good n all but she apologized n its not fair to talk to someone like she's not also with emotions.

also you can't guilt trip a company bc an llc isnt human but the people within the company can definitely be guilt tripped.

tgc is a company n the ppl running social media n reviews are ppl with irl stressors as well

also @spark lance i didn't know prices were hidden but i still believe they probs don't have it set yet since it hasn't even been a full day.

[dull forge]

Outrageous, your mother opened the door for outrageous, outrageous came home真的有够靠北

[gilded parrot]

We ask everyone to please post only in English on this server, @dull forge. Unfortunately, moderators and staff aren't able to support all the languages spoken by our global Sky family.

[placid iron]

It's sad seeing it tbh

[terse yarrow]

The trend on hiding price from beta has been started since days of nature test i think. Not the first time.

[delicate mason]

Anyone else sad that cat mask no longer looks like a cat?

[spark lance]

That's what I'm saying, she was trying her best and people were ripping her off, if you're trying to explain something and people just doesn't listen to u ofc u get frustrated, we are humans who feel, doesn't matter if you're a mod or a dev.

Honestly I find that highly disappointing, I get that some people are really upset, but being mean to someone who was trying to explain and even acussing of guilt tripping is crossing the line.

A lot of people claim that we are a really nice and friendly community, but this in fact, shows that we have a really toxic side in this community too.

[subtle juniper]

First of,saying they were doing overwork WAS UNNECESARY. If they finished their job,then leave. Passionate or not of being a mod,Its not our problem you are overworking. There's more mods here, you know....

Second of,respect what? TGC ignored us many times,and pretended to do stuff when they.... didn't.

And yes,It was guilt trip. I bet that comment made atleast a bunch of people feel bad for the mod.

And we are against TGC mostly,not the mods.

[near tiger]

we are all sad about the raven mask from teen titans

[dull venture]

agreed respect is not given it is earned tcg cannot expect us players to be respectful after years of being overlooked

our voices are tired we want action and we want it now because we love this game that’s why we are so serious about it we are HURT people have to understand that this is years of hurting coming out at once this was only the spark⚡️ people are tired of seeing their beloved game go to waste

[spark lance]

Isn't that exactly why it was implemented? To stop beta players from course correcting overpriced cosmetics or even turning them into IAP

[brittle raft]

hey guys just woke up, how long's the cooldown?
5:30? well thats better but still incredibly long.

[modern geyser]

Idk about the cat hair being an IAP but why did they had to downgrade a perfectly fine mask 😭

[real hull]

I can't even understand the story behind it

[rapid reef]

But what they did is guilt tripping. They are a proffesional who but blame on the communauty over their own actions.

They didn't have to come in here to talk to us, let alone tell us how much we are taking away from their life. It's not accusations. We know they are people but that guilt trip felt exactly the way it did; disregarding their playerbase are also people.

[autumn elk]

I people claim they would not mind the cat hair being expensive (above the original 66 candles) if it was free, knowing tgc it would be 105-120 minimum based on days of bloom and rainbow.

I dont think people would actually be happy with that choice especially those who weren’t here for mischief last year

The most realistic expectation i have is the separate the bundle to hopefully reduce the cost of both items and sell it along side the bundled version

[cerulean gazelle]

I agree, it's fair to criticise the changes and request something but picking and blasting words of someone who was clearly overwhelmed and also emotional (just like we are all here right now!) is just rude. I think it's possible to criticise something/someone without calling them "guiltripping""greedy" etc etc

[terse flame]

what is goin on rn💀

[cobalt inlet]

damn it’s been hours

[drowsy barn]

I dont want to come off as criticizing people here because the things people have been saying are really fair but some people are saying that ktjn didn't have to work overtime but isn't that kind of the same thing as saying if you don't like whats happening in sky just dont play the game? if not someone pls explain me the difference because I'm genuinely curious

[signal folio]

I dont think it would be unwarranted to close the beta chat overnight then.

If it's forcing devs to go overtime, then they should take care of their mods and devs instead of letting this continue.

Feedback channel is still there.

[humble plinth]

anyways I’ll be going for now, there’s literally nothing we can do right now except to wait because i don’t think tgc is at work time yet to change much right now, and i am tired and slightly disappointed in some of you guys’ tones, i 100% know why you are so upset about it but going around hating on them doesn’t do much either, if anything happens, I’ll be back, but for now, let’s WAFO.

[radiant drum]

To clarify, Ktjn is not a moderator but a TGC employee. Still, they're an individual that can get frustrated and overwhelmed sometimes, and they did provide some insight on the situation internally for people that were asking for TGC to share some. I recommend using the search bar to read all of their chatter instead of a single comment alone

[ashen tusk]

That's not fair on beta testers who want to chat amongst each other and aren't in America, pls no

[sand rune]

Honestly I think tgc should take a season off to have time to consider the long term plan for sky. Its a tricky task to maintain player base due to the nature of sky, and the same can be said for income. But it doesn't help if they have to worry about the next season constantly, thinking about the content for the next season after the next, and omitting the long term path for the game.
I don't think much of us will mind even. I'd rather see the game stay true to its original idea than see it spiral down

[spark lance]

Some people really review bombed
And still have the face to say as a community we are better than others 😒
But in the end we can't ignore players years of dissatisfaction. As some people said it isn't about the cat hair anymore. The hairstyle was just the sparkle that ignited all of it.
If you keep brushing the dirt under carpet one day you trip over it.

[spark lance]

In the past they had an idea of the price of cosmetic and that would usually be the live price but I guess they were receiving too much feedback in beta about the price and not enough about the cosmetics looks/function. Even tho they ask for price feedback in the first place… my main feeling is that hidden price feel like tgc doesn’t really want feedback on it and have already decided the price.

[livid ridge]

Well they kinda creat the problem themselves tbh if the cat hair stay the same then all of this mess wouldn't happened

[analog sun]

Lmao all these ppl defending a PAID employee who represents the company
They chose to overwork that’s on them as an employee
And as an employee you don’t act unprofessionally to your customers
You keep that personal stuff with your coworkers

[hallow igloo]

I have some unfortunate news for some. It's a mobile game. Nothing more. It's really not your entire life

[spark lance]

It's not because of a single cosmetic, if anything, I'd be mad that these types of discussions have been known to die down once a dev steps in, gaslights us (I'm directly referencing the electric guitar here), guilt trips us (iykyk) and everyone eats it up.

Yes, it's still in development but you (and everyone defending "poor tgc") can't possibly be thinking that they are listening to our feedback when we "civilly" (quoted bc we're still being civil) express our displeasure here, in #beta-season-test-chat, and in #beta-feedback

[plain helm]

"hehe big shard goes brr"?????

at this point im just saying that this game is about going in that mountain thing directly ripped from journey but with an eye and that's all

oh that and my wallet suffering from seasonal events lmao

[old idol]

And still not our fault if they deciede to spend their time answering questions outside their work time lol. Not our fault they cancelled their plans with their friends (???) that was too much

[spice zodiac]

listen i get everyone is human and has emotions but with that kind of status publicly guilt tripping your community who is voicing valid criticism and concerns felt so unprofessional to me and left a sour taste in my mouth, that's me though i guess

[pulsar cloak]

i started w switch so I'm rly not well versed in beta i think i checked this channel for tlp and then i did it today for aurora and was surprised to see cat instead

@subtle juniper feeling bad for a mod isn't guilt tripping ? the mod in question has nothing to do with this change and was explaining that she is doing her best to listen to the community to gather all that she can for feedback n it is making her busy.

why does it make u feel bad to realize a mod is human n has outside responsibilities and she can't be in the chat all the time to respond to ppl ....

[lyric crag]

I know man but it's like so weird to do they don't like us giving feedback when it's about pricing

[late sonnet]

They haven't stopped you from giving feedback about pricing at all, you can still submit your projected prices you would like things to be
The exact prices just aren't shared in the beta is all.

[spark lance]

Who would know that a little IGC to IAP change could lead the whole server, community and company downhill?

[spark lance]

That is an employee.

She came here at her own time to answer the questions, no one asked them to do it, no one forced them to do it. No one should be bowing down because they did it. We are not guilt tripping TGC, we are giving reasonable feedback as to why we are upset. Instead of saying "yes I care about u because I'm talking here instead of eating" is not valid and we are not being heard. That was never our point. Mentioning with the intent or not is guilt tripy no matter how you put it. The person Ktjn responded to was being civil.

[royal axle]

the fire is still burning

[gritty sluice]

It’s been an issue for a while. This is just a breaking point

[river socket]

2nd grand beta uprising

Casus beli: cat ears becoming IAP, prolonged economic injustice

Belligerants: TGC VS everyone else

Commanders and leaders:

TGC: devs and mods
Everyone else: no leaders, anarchist militia

Result: ongoing

Cassualties and loses: +48 hours of wasted time, hurt feelings and some user's dignities

[wary star]

i mean tbf slowmode could also be lowered

we can barely talk with 11 minutes

[placid iron]

mhmn yeah I'm gonna do some cr now and look forward to the SoAu instead of looking at this hell hole go touch some grass please

[dull venture]

💯

[finite flicker]

i bought the kitty cape pack before the cat ear hair was added. Now I can't find cat ear hair anywhere, will I never be able to get it back?

[near tiger]

"this is fine"

[spark lance]

Well it happened before so 🤷‍♀️

[radiant drum]

And they acknowledged that later on. But bringing this topic back hours later can escalate things into a territory of hostility, especially without the full context of the conversation that happened. There are more reasonable ways to express your criticism of things you disagree in Sky, the company or its employees

[spark lance]

People are not going to listen because they took it too far already. I hope that once everything it's done they see that they were wrong in blaming Ktnj of guilt tripping. It's heartbreaking to see how toxic this community can get

[subtle juniper]

I meant feeling bad as: "becouse of our fault they are overworking...".

Why do I HAVE TO feel bad for someone I don't know? And I mean this on terms of they doing something they shouldn't have.

I can also be human and complain about the company choices and how bad something was handled. The difference here is that they are doing their job. And I Shouldn't keep explaining something obvious. 💀

[plucky venture]

Therefore, they change the more popular cosmetics in iap. Some people may learn from this and start leaving negative feedback on items they like. For example, that a cat's hairstyle looks ridiculous, you could do it better..

[peak loom]

Sky is literally a looped game process with events to grab our money as much as possible , what else did you all expect

[signal folio]

I'll take that over having "you guys did this to us" against us which allows valid complaints to be ignored. And we can't say it hasn't been said because it has. Stressing out an employee and the mods isn't a mark in our favor.

The power is in their hands to protect their employees and volunteers though.

[drowsy barn]

can I dm you because I have some questions I was just curious about

[still mauve]

It was guilt tripping voicing out frustration over us and literally trying to put the blame on us cuz of their work hour are completely different things, and moderators have chosen this role it's not something we should feel bad about, respect comes if they respect us. but it's true ppl were going at them too much but their words were also true about it I don't see why it's so worrying. This thing with the prices and things changing have been going on for too long and players started to notice stuff that's not really good looking for them, and we're not responsible for their work hours or private life ( mods / devs ) we aren't forcing them not to eat , sleep or work over time it's simply their will so the blaming part wasn't right. it passed so much time and they still didn't change anything hoping they do

[radiant drum]

Slowmode has been reduced for a while now, we'll be keeping an eye on it so chatter isn't too restricting, but also not too fast and impossible to follow/moderate

[hoary goblet]

Hell hole that was caused by TGC, yeah

[blissful gulch]

Amen

[queen wedge]

I came in at a bad time didn't I

[spark lance]

I like the way that last year (2020-2021) there's many free items tgc give to us. but when it comes to 2022. They literally just add one NEW free items (that not really interesting) and add many NEW iap items. like y'know. Old f2p players also need new free items oki. (Or maybe they marketing changed to "well money" players " Since we know it's still beta , let's wait, be positive, they can change it later. maybe not so fast because they also need to think about it. they just need time ig. Tgc spare us, we all spare them :v. well idk what to say anymore now. i do feel bad for devs and staff. but as a player. i can't lie to myself that I'm really disappointed about some event and items. well still, do your best tgc.

[cursive tinsel]

Our reaction privileges are gonna be gone for a while too

[spark lance]

If they feel like us saying that they don't care about our feedback is untrue, make us see they are actually listening. Idk, create a channel with a listing of known bugs, and concerns about the community and check them off- OH WAIT A LITERAL CHANNEL FOR THOSE THINGS EXIST 😯 but guess what? They still don't listen

they have literally 0 excuses

[vernal plover]

something would've happened like this anyways though this really was the tipping point if it wasn't something else would've

[twilit swan]

i wonder what caused them to swap the cat hair and mask besides cat hair being popular i hope that wasnt the only reason

[plain helm]

true i think we're a bit off from a certain reality

at least tgc doesnt throw used car batteries in the ocean lmao

[rapid reef]

Not true entirely. This would have happened eventually.

This is not about a cosmetic. People need to stop pretending this is just over a cosmetic. This outburst is a result of years of TGC preying more and more on their paying customers, years of growing more disrespectful to F2Ps, years of turning more and more deaf to reports and feedbacks.

This isn't about a cosmetic. People are tired and exhausted from the mistreatment.

[fair pewter]

I think its more than 2nd times 😭

[ashen tusk]

I highly doubt they're gonna shut beta channels down every PST evening because people are angry, it's more than likely they'll just not drop by as frequently which has been mentioned before by devs, it's a shame that there's not a healthier discourse between us and the devs when things like this happen. But isolating an entire demographic of testers isn't gonna help either so let's not encourage that

[spark lance]

If people need a practical example of this, they can refer to the seasonal trees from Assembly to now where F2P have been getting the short end of the stick

[gilded idol]

Honestly, if people didn't speak up ts branches would've costed ap to unlock today

[spark lance]

Well guys, !spoi ahead! ||the battle update is actually us vs TGC staff fighting for stopping lots of IAPS and this was all planned ||

[copper pagoda]

im not sure how to feel about the whole mod thing myself
i think ktjn had to deal with the brunt of our distaste which was unfortunate but i wished she'd stepped away rather than bringing her personal life into it, though i do understand she was frustrated and stressed prior. i also think we have a right to be upset when we dont have as clear of a view of the internals of the company, and to us all we knew was that the price changed into an iap; but was it guilt tripping? i wasnt there myself so i dont know what the true emotions were of the people who were there, so all i can say is that we're all kinda frustrated and all for good reasons, its not our fault as a community that ktjn cancelled their plans for us, and ktjn made a mistake in getting upset at us for that, but there seemed to be stuff going behind the scenes that we arent aware of. its good that she apologised and itd probably be good to stop holding this against her, at least.

either way my gripe is just with how f2p people are being pushed under the bus and paying ppl are honestly being tugged around too with the price of iaps nowadays. i will give them time since this is just the second update for beta but i feel like this wont resolve itself until we get a sign that tgc is actually talking about this and working on the next build

[gritty sluice]

As a player who’s been playing for three years and who’s spent 200$+ on sky. The iaps need to cut down by a lot. For the upcoming season I’m even worried about iaps. It’s gotten so much worse. It’s so frustrating because they’re driving away their player base.

[wary parrot]

just put the neko hairstyle back into the branch and no one gets hurt

[spice zodiac]

i KEEP saying this, it starts small, it started with cosmetics being a little pricey to god awfully overpriced, if we keep enabling this without saying anything things are just bound to get worse, this isn't about cat ears this is about how i'm scared this game will have to shut down in the following 2 years from lack of playerbase interest

[river socket]

Emphasis on Grand uprising

[void ferry]

can we also talk about they change the cat mask into a basic mask ? where is the shape of a cat head ? Mask became free so the quality as to get lowered too ? the mask was awesome with a real shape and it just became a mask with cat eyes...

[dull venture]

Woah there please don’t get disrespectful to the people who are only using their voice to push positive change this is not on us this is on tcg telling us to go touch grass is not helping us

we haven’t disrespected you and you can do what you want but please leave positive opinions not insults and if I misunderstood you I’m sorry🥰🙏🏾❤️

[subtle juniper]

Wouldn't that mean that they literally don't care about our voices if they shut down the Channels...after all people was talking about dissapointment about both in-game and the company of the Game.

[ancient saddle]

No more cathair for me ig 😔

[echo mason]

Bring back cat hair as IGC 😍😍🙄🙄❤️❤️🥰🥰🧑‍🦲🧑‍🦲🧑‍🦲🧑‍🦲

Or else I'll be bald 🧑‍🦲❤️

[signal folio]

Going to keep saying it:

TGC has control over the discord. If things are getting so bad, then do something and protect your employees and mods.

To leave the mods to handle this is unfair to them.

The flood ALWAYS happens and it's not going to stop happening. Anticipate it and protect your people if it's truly that bad. Don't blame us though for the inevitable

[terse flame]

yass😍😍

[radiant cipher]

So I’ve played this game since Season of Rhythm and Sky has always been more of like a comfort game of mine, and I would really like it to stay that way. Sky has made huge progress in some areas such as adding the chevrons and that kind of stuff, but I sadly feel like the game is taking a negative turn. All from not listening to the playerbase, making us feel like we’re not appreciated and that we’re all replaceable no matter how many hours or how much money we spend on the game to iap pricing skyrocketing. I see a lot of messages like “oh are y’all still talking about the cat hair?” and yes, I guess we are in one way or another but this discussion isn’t about whether we can have a cat hair or not. The cat hair is only what triggered months of frustration to burst. I do get that a game company needs an income, y’all can’t work for free, but we aren’t made of money either and I do think that giving the players something in return from continuously supporting the game would be a good thing. After the game launched the amounts of iaps have skyrocketed and even so the pricing is ridiculous. How is it fair to spend 20$ on a single item that honestly won’t even benefit you other than making your character look a little nicer? And why push the price up by adding a random batch of candles that no one asked for just so you can sell that one cape for 30$? And don’t even get me started on the 100$ umbrella on your website that takes 15 weeks to come in the mail that lets you unlock an umbrella in game for only a limited time🤡 When the little Prince season came around I started to get a bitter taste of this game, and I wish I didn’t but rn the game feels more and more like a chore rather than enjoyment and I do wish y’all would take the players opinions seriously cause we’re the hand that feeds you. Lastly I do wish players could get some nice items without having to open their wallets every time. Marshmallow stick for 20$ come on…

[terse drum]

ok but actually though??
they couldve put the same thing into the igc and not lowered the quality
like why is it the f2p players getting the like tiniest end of the stick at this point

[wary star]

textwall jumpscare

[pulsar cloak]

my thing is she said she was doing it bc she cared for the community. it's not bc u guys are giving feedback that it's punishment to her but the feedback is something she wanted to keep track of so that she can bring it to tgc

she also stated she'd given feedback n theyre listening. as someone who works at a startup company we give feedback all the time (im customer exp) and the devs listen but it took them a year almost to make some changes but not all. it all comes down to what can the company do now thats truly feasible.

i don't have any more comments though n i should get back to work

[livid ridge]

If people said not to guilt trip the tgc, they are human too, they are vulnerable. But what about the player tho?
Tgc give us cute cosmetic, give us hope that we will finally have chance to receive something cool, then what did the tgc do?
They literally use that to gather money and torn our hope apart
We are human too lmao and we can get tired disappointed and angry like the dev tho
So seriously they kinda make all of these mess by themselves and they deserve the rage right now

[spark lance]

Will cat hair be a free item again?

[native stump]

nah

[autumn elk]

Im glad we are getting IGC items. First two years of mischief only had iap with nothing to offer the f2p folks.

I hope we get both masks at least but honestly my expectations are rock bottom.

[glass spoke]

maybe if we complain enough

[gritty sluice]

THIS. WE ARENT MADE OF MONEY. I mean for a normal pay one time game, I’d have spent so much less. Make sky a one time payment or stop hounding with iaps. I’m sad to see this game take this turn but it’s been happening for a while and it’s just. Sad. Sky is my fav game and my comfort game but I don’t know if I’ll stay if they continue to screw over their players.

[spark lance]

Using this childish logic, y would they feel bad about someone they don't know if they can't but the iap, lmao.

[analog vessel]

Also the price is just in dollars, because in other currencies its higher

[plain helm]

true my shell is actually made out of human flesh

[hallow igloo]

Not really. We all agreed to the terms and service when we signed up for beta that things change. We legally accepted that thing would come and go

[wary hollow]

I have a feeling we wouldnt even be having this much backlash if tgc didnt just make an entire pack iap like had they seperated the items including a pack eith extra candles im pretty sure most would be fine with that. But ofc tgc loves to be greedy with money and didnt do that. And also changed a rly cool mask into a dont talk to me im angy mask...legit nothing feline about it

[subtle juniper]

Becouse Its their playerbase. We feed them ;) and we can cut that by not caring.

[spark lance]

the whole server and company is on chaos rn

[copper pagoda]

i feel like the least they can do is switching the two back or improving the cat mask to be worth spending candles on
we have the witch hair at least

but thats the LEAST they can do, and i can tell that the playerbase will deffo watch them like a hawk either way and might even go kaboom again if they dont learn from their actions and just make the same mistakes a few months

i sincerely hope that even if we get the cat hair that isnt the end of the conversation, as its clear that the cat hair is only the straw that broke the camels back. i hope tgc can start listening to us more and giving the players more reason to return to the game, rather than just letting the paying playerbase get fomo and buying what cosmetics they can while the f2p guys grind grind grind or dwindle in population from content drought :/

[undone haven]

Why do the cat ears sell now with IAP?

[heady saddle]

I agree with this comment, for me Sky was a beautiful game with awesome people but…. Cosmetics do make you feel apart from other players (maybe jealousy or not been able to get the same cosmetics as them $$$). And yeah it kinda feels like playing Sky is an actual JOB nowadays

[uneven lotus]

[ancient saddle]

Let's not even get started with the "free items" price because omg

[rapid reef]

Again; this is not about cosmetics.

This is about years of TGC being more hostile to their playerbase, predatory actions toward paying customers and increasing disrespect toward F2Ps.

Please cut down the narrative this is over cosmetics. This is not about cosmetics, this is about TGC's poor treatment of their players in the recent year.

[burnt jolt]

Onl you guys still going on

[strange kindle]

💸💸.

[strange glen]

''who needs dr*gs when u have sky''
makes addicted, makes u broke, but gives u a good feeling more or less

[scarlet radish]

i heard they havent stop since yesterday

[spark lance]

Maybe this outburst will put the brakes on whatever overpriced cosmetics both IAP and IGC they have planned for Days Of Feast

[magic jetty]

quick reminder were still in late august

[mint nest]

frfr
sky is getting so boring and feels like a chore,,
Daily grinding for candles to keep up with events
and buying iaps cause i love the game and the cosmetics but its gotten so expensive that ive given up buying iap

sky is the most expensive game ive ever played, spending more than 400usd iirc

[cerulean gazelle]

The TGC staff and mods have explained it was appearently planned to be IAP a week before the first beta build came out to the public but due to miscommunication appeared as IGC. Some theorise the change was made on a whim because of how popular it became in the community
Edit: the person who responded to me clarified the second part of my comment, which should be read if you want to know the full context. To the responder, thank you!

[thorny jay]

Exactly

Its so annoying people keep saying 'you done?' or 'you still going on?' like everyone is mad only about a cat hair. Its like they're going out of their way to try not to see the actual problem.

You worded it so much better than i could

[blissful gulch]

I totally agree, at this point tgc doesn't care about feedback, the only way for them to come their sense and listen us is to do the same thing to them as to Genshin Impact

[spark lance]

I also agree. I really love sky. but the way the items i want is having higher price back then. making the game looks like chores that i have to do. luckily now i have candle savings. but i can't play much as before because i started college. now i just doing quest and just let it go everything since in the future i don't have any more time

And yes spending money to items that no longer i used makes me regret everything because that amount of cost can buy me a ton of food.

[pulsar cloak]

one more comment bc the no talk me i angy comment is so funny

maybe the new mask was a mistake tho bc the icon didn't change and it looks unfinished when on bald kid

ok im done now i have to do tickets waaa

[dull forge]

Please don't say loudly about your favorite items in the future! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !

[wispy nacelle]

How do i get the witch hat?

[livid ridge]

That's never enough remember the yellow umbrella and the prince cape? All we have is a 200 candle pant

[woeful galleon]

AGREE WITH THIS

TGC PLS READ THIS

PLS LISTEN TO PLAYERS

PLEASE PLEASE I BEGGING YOU TGC
⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️

[radiant cipher]

Me when juggler and sword pants came at the same time: 👁👄👁 Guess they made bank from it tho cause ppl bought candle packs just to get “free items”

[left lily]

That's the thing though. They weren't required to do all of that. They literally said they were off-work. It was entirely uneccessary to respond even, considering that their response gets buried anyways because they chose to respond in beta feedback rather than compile questions and answer in beta updates.

I agree that they are human, and people make mistakes, but you have to realize that mentioning additional extra work that you chose to do, mentioning how you're sacrificing eating, spending time with your partner, and resting, does nothing except imply, "This is what I sacrifice for you guys so you should be grateful" when nobody asked them to do that in the first place.

Asides from that, the discussions afterwards did get derailed with people responding the same way you are.

[spark lance]

It's important to note why the theories happened. We were given the information yesterday that the hair is being planned to be an in game currency item so to see it go popular, afterwards made IAP then somehow try to say it was all actually beforehand is weird.

[signal folio]

This has been a build up too. For players whoever been here for years we've seen it. We aren't making it up and just now complaining. It's just getting more and more evident. There is no point in arguing that it's happening.

Clearly TGC is trying to increase its revenue from sky. Fine, that makes sense because the game is pretty stable for now, but to work out an agreeable way between players and developers there are going to be rough patches.

[wispy crown]

Was short on candles to get cat hair and now its gone for me

[sand garnet]

All the IAP bundles and individual items that cost $20+ are crazy to me, those are macro transactions, not micro. Besides adventure passes for my friends and I, I can't justify spending that much on any of them when I have rent and bills to pay and groceries to put on the table. ^_^;;

[spark lance]

Ah yes, "free" items where the igc is 10000+ candles that forces f2p buy candle packs

[sharp cliff]

Nothing new? Still talking about iaps?

[dull venture]

💯👏🏾👏🏾❤️❤️❤️

[rich rampart]

God, this

[ancient saddle]

The fact that I actually managed to get both pants and cape still genuently amazes me (it was also when I was starting school so I don't understand how I did it 😭)

[cedar yew]

If your message was a person I'd marry it💯

[strange glen]

i think if they make every event! not season pass yes every event item igc they still would make money cuz the people short on candles would buy candle packs anyways

[wary hollow]

I also heard theyres no emotes in the aurora season wich like??? What????

[still mauve]

The whole game is gonna go down sooner or later If they continue giving iaps and prices like this , if we want something we have to grind candles do they know how much it takes ? 4 hrs tbh , and when we get something with candles it's either 100+ candles or something more bad. Like can we just get one thing for free? It's not gonna be the end of the world if they give the cat hair back to it being free / with candles , tbh this isn't about the hair anymore it's about the cosmetics we ask and they put them in iaps for what exactly? Of course money , honestly I realized this a few months back we can't have anything pretty without paying or giving candles I was waiting to see how many players would notice these prices changing , and today was the day people spoke up about their frustration that they don't have money or that much money or are either underage , if they keep going on like this players are gonna notice it might be a down fall for this game being greedy isn't always good, and ppl calling others disrespectful or rude for calling out tgc for their behaviour js realize that it's been too long already. Tgc doesn't care about the feedback at all cuz if they did thr hair would be back and everything would be in their place. It's honestly so sad in what tgc has turned into people need to realize they're not some small company anymore they make enough profit off of players and collaborations do yk how expensive having someone from Pixar is ? The main point is they became money hungry and they need to stop it cuz their community isn't gonna be so nice about it anymore.

[gilded parrot]

Quick reminder!

Use this channel discuss Days of Mischief or other Beta-related topics! This keeps discussions organized in this testing phase.
For Season of AURORA chatter, head to #beta-season-test-chat
💭 Continue to send your feedback in #beta-feedback! This chat isn't a replacement for that.

[autumn elk]

There are 7 emotes actually

[half plaza]

honestly this game went downhill when the little prince collab hapened and the sudden wave of IAP came. Now it's like they're pushing more IAPs than IGCs. it's insane.

[modern rune]

I will honestly say, while i know the game is free, they need to chill out on the prices. As of right now, people can barely afford to stay afloat. If they wanna have stuff cost money, maybe 10-15 bucks max. But 20$ on many stuff, plus the next 3 days of events including the one rn in live, almost everything in it is behind a paywall. I love sky, it has been an amazing outlet for me. But, i'd love for them to relax a bit on the pricing. Make it more affordable at least.

[naive dragon]

there is

[mint nest]

i think the price should be the same as global servers
since for them the 10 dollars ap is 68rmb which is basically 10 dollars converted

[spice zodiac]

new players rely a lot on candles to make friends and communicate how are they supposed to save up for limited past cosmetics that come around once every 15 years when they also have constellations to complete bruh

[delicate mason]

Nah there is emotes

[plain helm]

there's 6 of em smth like that, which is more generous than 4 faceless and emotionless orbs💀💀

[white latch]

The chat seems chill today

[subtle juniper]

Apparently netease server got some pins (hat item) for free for certain celebrations, I might be wrong... someone peacfully correct me :)

[thorn terrace]

There are any news?

[radiant drum]

No spam, please Discussing criticism is fine, but keep it an actual discussion and explain your thoughts

[native stump]

no. Most likely TGC will continue to ignore us.

[spark lance]

netease is not operated by tgc, that is out of their control. what netease does with the CN version of sky is not up to tgc its owned by a different company in CN, which is why CN is not part of the global playerbase due to internet laws and restrictions

[spark lance]

If you want iap to be igc, then they are going to cost time instead. Very rarely are things given out for completely free that’s the nature of these kind of games.

This might come with age but at some point I’d rather just pay money instead of precious time grinding. The 20$ price is still egregious though

⚠️ REMINDER
It's not fair to take away the ability to see (and criticize) the prices, because the prices ALWAYS come out to be ridiculously high in the end.
Then, of course, its too late to do anything since they're already in live.

LEAVE FEEDBACK 😁 #beta-feedback

[cerulean gazelle]

From what I remember, Chinese server gave out a free flower accessory as well as a free hat with hair. Both of those items never reached global servers. There could be more but I don't remember

[terse drum]

Ngl the amt of people I see getting the final seasonal gift within the first week would already be sm money
counting it all is abt 130$ Per person getting it w/o actually doing the seasonal quests
crazy how much these cosmetics are going for

[light wave]

👍

[spark lance]

It's empathizing, lmao, nothing more, it's not that deep.
She said personal things, it's ok, but using terms like "guilt tripping" isn't very nice.

[signal folio]

This is how these negotiations WORK.

Devs are testing for what the player base will tolerate. If players tolerate it, then it's a-go. If players do not tolerate it, they will rethink their tactics.

Should we speak and act violently? NO. But as civily as possible we should show in every way the we do not tolerate it.

This is within our rights as consumers. We are not "doing too much."

[plucky venture]

This is exactly how beta reviews should work. Beta testers note flaws and bugs, and also evaluate what is done well. And certainly the developers do not expect beta testers to evaluate the final cost and desire to see the best cosmetics as igc

[woven crow]

I've been reading this chat since last night and I keep seeing stuff abt TGC having to make money SOMEHOW and that they're a small indie game company and we can't expect the world, sun, and stars from them (which we do not). I just wanna say TGC is very well off, make around 24mil USD annually and have around 100 ppl on their team 👀, they have plenty of resources to make their fans happy but it seems they actively chose not to. Don't forget they're a company, not a team of 5 people! Nonetheless let's be respectful in our criticisms cause I've been seeing a lot of unnecessary comments being said as well.

[agile fractal]

There's too muchs iaps, even the aurora season has a lots, too much information for me, i really want to believe they're gonna made it for candles, isn't the candles pack selling with money too?, we have enough iaps already, for gods sake

[blissful gulch]

They said above the baseds and you flew...

[limpid ocean]

READ /
This is gonna be a one long rant as I wanted to get everything out one last time.
First off I apologize, I know that I was being hurtful with the words I have said here.

@humble plinth I agree that review bombing is not the right way to go for now, but as I've said before.

Ktjn as much as I am thankful to her for actually responding to the uproar.. But what I think is what we need is the proper talk, instead of "we did this because of this" without the community/beta testers opinions. That is what is causing the distrust and uproar in the first place.

In which part of that do the community fit in helping, whilst being heard in the opinions that they are giving. You can probably give examples for how events where both parties were one. But a lot of the people's frustrations just finally poured out. And this was not just about a cosmetic. It was also about the past events. Which all correlates to one. Which is the expensive prices, iGC and IAP. Which is the main issue.

And I'm sorry, I didn't mean to nitpick. But you have got to understand that the frustrations of the beta testers/community.

And I have a massive respect to the team... I know we all felt that playing the game for the first time was amazing. But that was it wasn't it? Like what more do we have to do in this game except explore and socialize? We collect candles for periods of time. then we are presented with..? Something that we don't even have an interest in. For example... A tent for 90 candles? Even though I bought it because I have literally nothing to spend the candles I have accumulated. And now the Cat hair/Cat mask issue. You presented us with something we were looking forward to. AN Item where I can use my stacks of candles rotting away because they didn't have any use. Yet you took it and swapped it with the cat mask. AND I would have been fine with that. But with the downgrade? It was like making a joke out of us. And don't get me started with the elder masks...

[zenith lynx]

please copy paste this message in beta feedback 😄 tgc needs to see this because you've summed it up pretty well! Our feedback may or may not make any differences anymore but at least they know'll how unhappy we are

[ancient saddle]

"Are ya'll still talking about the hair?!" Yes do y'all want the game to continue being this greedy?

[dull venture]

💯

[spark lance]

They want us to complain only when TGC turns into EA

[wary hollow]

Ooohh i must misunderstood then thank you for clarifying!

[strange glen]

tbh this update its already EA 😂

[naive dragon]

they took away our cat ears and replaced it with a mask

[strange kindle]

If the topic becomes overwhelming, the other chats are less focused on it and are open to you. Feel free to take breaks when you need them, get a drink of water and a snack

[mint nest]

yeah they do!!
the chinese server gets lots of freebies for events and compensations
iirc the ocean wave cape (i forgot the name) costed igc for the chinese server

[undone haven]

TGC is not a small indie company.

[spark lance]

😭Why are you guys being so mean!?? This isn’t the sky community I was welcomed into a few years ago. I get your upset with prices but WHATEVER! They are little pixels on a screen!! How many cosmetics do you really need? If it’s that important to you well, I guess you gotta decide if you want tiny pixels or a nice dinner. It’s called life choices people. Remember tgc is working on their new game and they are losing a lot of players from the flop of the shattering season, soooo they are just trying to bring in money. Also! Inflation is bad in America (where they are located) which means that if it costs more for food they need to charge more so they can get food!🥬🧁🍓

[subtle juniper]

That's not my point :).

My point is how Its so easy to give free stuff on this Game.

Just becouse netease IS not operated and/or controlled by Tgc, doesn't mean they can't look at It and take notes 💅

[thorn terrace]

Honestly I would be more than happy to leave the cat hair as an iap, if they decide to give us more free stuff.
And I odn't mean like "here random free stuff", but things like the hat in the naniversary. Why it should costs hearts? It's a party. Or even when an update is late or there are bugs. It could be nice to have some free candles since we had such patience with them.
But they seems to be scared to give even one single free candle to the players......................

[zinc gate]

we aren't greedy it's facts instead and we won't end this until it actually changes because i'm sick of how always tgc makes whats good in iap

[near tiger]

guys please, copy paste this message in beta feedback ! 👍

[summer cosmos]

[spark lance]

So I am a little confuse about all the upset around. So from what I understand, it’s not REALLY about the hair it’s about:
💸 IAP
🔵 increase in prices
🔵 increase in amount of iap
🎙Communication
🔵 feedback feels ignored -Issues (bugs/glitches/expensive/season not feeling finished) that are reported make it to live causing ignore feeling
🔵 hidden prices feels like they don’t want that feedback
❤️ Free to Play
🔵 lack of f2p items
🔵 f2p items being a lower quality (not as nice?)

• the cat mask changing from its unique shape to a simple shape feel like lowering quality
• some igc cosmetics are changed to iap after community expresses love for it

[cedar yew]

I used to love sky so much, what changed? Too much iap? Too much events? Game feels like a chore than actually playing?

All of them and more.

I've always been voicing my opinion when something weird happened. We always have been.

Sometimes, TGC listen. Most of the time tho, they don't.

This is why we shall voice our opinions.

We deserved to be upset and say what we think.

It's not that we hate sky, it's the opposite.

We care. That's why we must say something.

Idk why I said those but erh you get the point

[spark lance]

Lol what this chat is doing is nothing more than personal venting. If feedback was given in the appropriate channel then your work as a player/tester is done. the rest is excessive

[stark fox]

IAP item is always good

[still mauve]

Being mean and speaking up are different they're not a small company they make millions a year and they have someone from pixar do you realize how much it is ? And they're gonna keep on losing players If they choose not to listen to us and ignore us , ppl were complaining about things and they have the right cuz they want the feedback and when we give it , we're being mean ?

[signal folio]

There is no point in arguing whether or not kjtn was "guilt tripping"
⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️
TGC should've never put them in a position where they could become this overwhelmed. If the discord was out of control they needed to control it instead of sending out volunteers and inadvertently making employees have to go overtime.

No one should've ever been in thr position to be subjected to verbal harassment that can and will happen during these times (not endoring that behavior)

[teal spire]

Just bruh-💀

[gilded idol]

Is tgc working on a new game?

[ocean cedar]

Average TGC defender

[rapid reef]

That is untrue. TGC ignore feedbacks and reports. And it has been proven time and time again by them releasing buggy season, not fixing bugs requested yet fixing things that never needed to be fixed.

TGC rarely listen to feedback.

[toxic monolith]

I think you miss the point of the core issue that’s happening. The change of the Cat hair to an iap was just too much added to a pile of much more

[spark lance]

idk if review bomb just over cat hair is fair
may as well include other things listed above

[native stump]

And this is not the TGC we used to know. TGC has changed and has become greedy. Too bad they made cat hair IGC first and then IAP when everyone liked it. They used to think about f2p players, but now they don't care! Their eyes only see money! They don't listen to their community anymore and they always let us down. Everyone here is right to be angry.

[plain helm]

what game? i thought they'd stay with sky for making a bunch of money for the next years to come

[reef spire]

Tgc have a new game?

[queen wedge]

"inflation is bad in America" yeah and it's 10x worse in other countries

[vapid lichen]

Speaking of the iap, I just hope they won't add any extra candles into it

[spark lance]

Maybe the best choice is not buying the iaps. since i heard there will be inflation. focus more on real life than a game for now on. we can't eat from buying this expensive iaps.

[dull venture]

Exactly some of us got children and bills to pay and work we have no time to cr everyday..the grind to say alive in the real world right now is a lot more serious than grinding for candles 👏🏾

[dire fox]

As so many people have said before, it's not just about the hair. It's a culmination of many acts of greed on TGC's part, and the hair was the straw that broke the camel's back. Please learn to read negative feedback not as insults, but as feedback. People are allowed to be upset and they are allowed to voice their thoughts.

[zenith lynx]

Exactly. I know what that feels like to get overwhelmed and you might blurt out things that you wouldn't say normally. Tgc should've stepped in sooner and protected their staff. I hope ktjn is doing okay now

[spark lance]

But like why? What happened to all the nice people? And guys you need to be respectful if you want to get respect too it’s just the way of life. If you go into feedback and yell and scream, they won’t listen. But if you are polite and respectful you might have a better chance

@dire fox negative comments are fine but screaming and yelling and being plain rude is not the right way to handle it

[spark lance]

Netease also gets seasons late half a year late and does not have access to to global servers, among its own issues and major controversies.

It's not as black and white as you're making it seem. Sure, TGC could take notes but netease, I'm not saying they shouldn't, but netease also has a host of issues that most companies would look at and go "yeah, let's not follow their model"

Also, for the record... netease is a notoriously shady company who treats its playerbase in other games far worse than TGC. In fact they probably own many games some of us here play... they are unfortunately not a model company. Their issues range from EA levels of pricing, alleged copying, to other more serious and inappropriate issues that are not child-friendly to talk about.

I'm not disagreeing with you by saying that TGC shouldn't take notes from them, I think they should... but netease is genuinely not the best company TGC should take notes from; I think sky is the one exception to their notorious track record lol

[uneven lotus]

I hate to inform you but them losing players is none of the players' business. It ain't our responsibility to keep the game running, it's TGC's. The relationship between them and us is that of a service supplier and customers. If they keep this up then they'll lose even more players, unfortunately. Besides, prices has been crazily expensive for a while now. It's not like this started AFTER the whole inflation thing.

[spark lance]

there are a ton of item that were given out for free in the chinese servers that never reached here. INcluding capes and hair and hat. Its kinda depressing we never get any free stuff . Also ocean cape was candles in china. unlike here where you have to purchase

[spark lance]

This is us being polite and respectful

[dull forge]

ready to take off

[plucky venture]

Feedback feels ignored said very accurately. Especially when bugs that were reported back in the beta get into live.
But about the hidden prices, I think the right decision. There are also people working there and they need to earn money. So they are not interested in feedback about their prices and this is not surprising

[spark lance]

It's about the hair, it absolutely is. In Beta everyone was giving bad feedback about how buggy and messed up the current season was, and they didn't listened and things didn't got so out of hands like the hair thing.
The thing is that the cat hair is too cute lmao

[subtle juniper]

I'm not talking about netease in general,just Sky netease.
And how they handle freebies.

A lot of stuff you said was unnecesary since I literally know nothing about the company or was talking about It 😕
But I'm glad you can see my point

[acoustic raptor]

When you scream like this, will you be noticed? :/

[pallid spire]

What's the price of the cat hair looking like? Cause I need to buy it for more than one person now 😭

[jade arrow]

It's a feedback channel, we are giving feedback. Feedback isn't always praises. Someone has summarized the points perfectly above. This isn't the sky community you welcomed but this also isn't the TGC we knew.
And I am tired of people going 'little pixels on screen'. If it's really little pixels on screen it shouldn't cost so much, that claim goes two way. Inflation is bad in America? There is a large playerbase in the South East Asia who are filling their pockets who can have 30 lunches wirh that money. Whose fault is it that Shattering is a flop, who didn't listen to feedback about the shards? If they don't fix the culmination of bad choices there will be more flops.

[thorn terrace]

Well, the countdown is at 6 minutes and the emotes are disabled.
I think they're noticing what's happening VERY well :)

[spark lance]

Look, it is not about it. It is not about a single cosmetic. Tgc kept doing this. We are mostl f2p players and we are lefting out by TGC. we never said that it is from a single cometic but some people kept getting this is a only target. TGC are making every IGC item that people love to a IAP. Which proves my point of we are lefting out.

[errant wadi]

Man I'm really scared for TGC if they will ignore all this chaos

[gilded idol]

Better to scream in the dark than to suffer silently in the light.

[spark lance]

Ok so hidden prices maybe not a main point got it. I feel like people here have built up frustration so when we talking right now a lot of different little points are happening. Makes it hard for me to follow

Aa I see your edit.. I confused myself you agree that hidden prices is something we upset of my mistake

[still mauve]

Lmao how can you scream in here being polite and respectful is good but did it get us anywhere? They only started to reply or take it in consideration when ppl were being harsh about it honestly, the nice players left because this company is money hungry , and yes when we yell or have an attitude with them see how fast ppl get bashed for it or noticed? Yeah it does bring attention if you can't relate to anything that ppl have said in here then it's better not to defend on false info.

[oak hornet]

Yeah

[spark lance]

OFC AMERICANS THINKING WHOLE WORLD HAS TO CATER TO THEM

plus it's much more than just hair, read room

[void ferry]

yeah the hair cat is just the pnr for all of this list

[left lily]

I agree that the people responding with sympathy are just emphathetic of their plights. I'm not blaming them.

Also yeah she said personal things. But that really doesn't change the fact that it can be interpreted as guilt-tripping. Especially when she went into specifics about what she sacrificed to be able to answer questions here. And I mean... if it had the exact same consequences as guilt-tripping then what do you expect people to call it? It derailed conversations about the current issue, and it got other people to go against the ones complaining because "you guys are being rude".

[cerulean gazelle]

It's unknown for now, it's paired with cat cape in a bundle as of right now so you can expect 10$+
Everything still can change

[waxen charm]

YOU GUYS ARE STILL AT IT? Oh my god 😭😭😭 woah woah woah..what just happened? Why is everyone arguing all of a sudden?

[untold oxide]

yknow it was a lot worse before you arrived lol
i'd say we're being respectful right now

[noble mantle]

This chat is becoming really overwhelming ngl

[stoic lynx]

REMOVE FOMO!!!

[spark lance]

I don't think all of us screaming and yelling??? all of us people are voicing our opinions here. we also have been tired because there's nothing goes better even though we try to reach them
We don't mad.
but we are disappointed for a long time

[spark lance]

Okay well if they are greedy, we can leave or if you just love the game so much then don’t buy the items. Your right it isn’t your job to help make up for them losing players but if you don’t like it don’t buy it! There are other things in life! If you like cat ears then go get them at a dress up store in real life!
@still mauve I’m not defending anyone I’m saying BE BETTER people! Yes they need to be better too! We all suck! Okay? There is no right or wrong side here we all are big meanies

[copper quartz]

I can guess that this will continue on until the whole iap thing has some changes.

[tardy hawk]

purr, happy to see chat still rightfully on fire. keep going lovelies! make em hear us! 💅

edit: oh my god where are reacts

[wary hollow]

If anyone here is feeling overwhelmed please take time away from.the chat and do smth to calm ones nerves and practice self care!stay hydrated and safe every1

[copper pagoda]

ngl i feel like the "flop of the shattering season" isnt. a reasonable justification for making people pay them more? it just adds to our frustration actually; if they aren't giving us the quality that they already make us pay for then why should we give them even more money? people have said to them that the season was underwhelming in beta and they didnt listen then, and they arent listening now.

and we are still being respectful, its just the fact that the topic is pretty negative that may make you see us as "being rude"; but we haven't called the tgc ppl any derogatory terms or cursed them out. we want to continue to keep playing the game we love but it's incredibly difficult to do so if they keep favoring profits over their playerbase. i think the people in live vers arent as upset at times because they arent aware of how tgc changes things in beta, but we are
and we want things to be better for our live only friends as well. please dont assume we're not being nice just because we aren't praising tgc. we do appreciate the work they put into this game but we deserve to be able to be heard ourselves as well!

[brazen osprey]

Thinking about the prices and the inflation in USA, have you though how this works with countrys that have a real devalued money?, not necessary the worst ones i mean, for me an IAP of 20$ its literally a week of full meals or groceries for two weeks, if we have micro transactions that justify the number of objects like 2 things for idk 10$ its ok, but a stick for 20$ and the loved hair changed for a "Misunderstanding"? Sorry but for me that just greed

[dire fox]

Honestly yeah. If the majority of items weren't timed or locked behind a battle season pass, then we would have a better grasp of how much this game really costs if you're trying to be a collector. I made a spreadsheet around last season of mischief to catalogue the prices of IAP, and it was astronomical. Might as well start playing fork knife or g*nshin at this point.

[teal frigate]

hope for good changes

[subtle juniper]

"This product is bad......instead of giving feedback,just don't get It!"

And then barely no one got the product and the company is wondering why? Hmmmm....

(Also I really got vibes of pokemon sword and shield drama from that comment 💀.)

[cedar yew]

I honestly don't see anyone not being nice but you🥺
Everyone is being reasonable here but you for some reason keep blaming everyone
Just a thought, don't take it wrongly and think the fandom is bad because we're trying to help TGC

[zenith lynx]

And inflation is only happening in the US? The world is bigger than the US. Inflation is happening everywhere my friend. And for many countries it's much worse than it is in the US

[rough falcon]

This^^^ if you keep being like "oh it'd be nice if you did this🥰" companies will take it as "keep doing what you're doing we don't care". You need to show companies that they will have repercussions for their dumb decisions. I'm not saying threaten them or be outright mean but we need to be more firm.

[spark lance]

#FreeElGato2022

[uneven lotus]

Trust me I ain't having any intention of buying it unless this matter is properly solved so don't worry about me

[spark lance]

TGC, bring the old mask look back, and make the hair free again, it's going to end the discussion easy

[still mauve]

Nobody sucks and u have no valid point in here , I want to play the game and have fun but they're getting greedy when they see players liking something so it has been going on for too long and it cannot be tolerated, yes there are other things in life but we're not on about that right now? Don't change the subject and you should be a better person to try and see how many are complaining and how many are defending, you need to realize that nobodys rich and they want our feedback and when we give it there are ppl like you calling us mean for it , you're on a complete different side when it comes to this conversation so it's better to leave if you don't like the complaints given here

[thorn terrace]

I mean.
We all respected TGC with all of our hearts for years (just one year in my case, but I see how much this game is loved by it's players) and now they do this.
THEY started to not respect us.

Also, I don't think here people are not respecting the devs. They're all just saying their opinions out loud 🤷

[dense barn]

You need to look both side instead 1 side, we love the game and want it to improve, where is the “mean” you are talking about? Giving feedbacks is mean or sth? We are the players that love the game, we want the game to improve not go downhill, you should just stop doing this because it doesn’t help both side anyways.

[gilded parrot]

now that’s a name i haven’t heard in a long, long time

[signal folio]

And whole aurora is a step up from Shattering it is still yet again relying heavily on luring people with cosmetics.

Dreams was their magnum opus and why they've decided to not keep trying to replicate their masterpiece is beyond me. Instead they've broadened their scope too much and created lackluster seasons like Abyss.

[limber ember]

chaos is the ladder everyone, keep in mind of your demands and keep it moving

[terse drum]

ngl this community handles stuff like this better then most ive seen where there were kinda bad things happening and they just start cursing out the company rather then highlighting the actual things people are having issues with (something that's happening here) or having a proper discussion rather then basically going into a full on dogfight with both staff and others lol

[blissful gulch]

Showin the truth about a millionaire company that just wants to take advantage of us it's not being mean, and how cosmetics won't be important? Literally THE ENTIRE gaming experience revolves around them, i will tell you clearly TGC IT'S NOT YOUR FRIEND OR A POOR INDIE STUDIO, they are people who earns millions at the expense of people who pay since they have no other option

[spark lance]

what is going on

[rugged rain]

I think that for me the first mission it is too fast to reach the memories of the spirit, but I love music when it comes to light.

[wary star]

hell

[spark lance]

14 hours of arguing about the same topic

[tidal bramble]

I would die for a RWBY collab (and they regularly do collabs too! Ik rwby is generally slconsidered an anime tho..)

[acoustic raptor]

[midnight python]

omg its still going :((

[spark lance]

I never understood this stance on the argument. The “no one force you to buy. Don’t like prices don’t buy”. Like I am providing feedback that this is very expensive to many players. And with most items being iap players feel left out. So I leave feedback that this is a problem. This is what I should be doing yes?
By your argument logic if there’s a game breaking bug in Daylight Praire (maybe I can’t enter realm or whatever)… should I just ignore it and not get upset? Praire isn’t necessary there are other nice realms.
If you can explain more I would appreciate

[spare cedar]

This turn of events is truly unfortunate, but it needed to happen I'm so sick of this disrespect and just saying "oh that's just tgc", this is your community and to over price everything, and lower quality of free items, plus changing things that people like to money is just down right despicable, this isn't just rage it's disappointment you're falling these players and should be ashamed of your actions tgc

[spark lance]

alright lets be realistic here instead of acting like a snowflake. This is a feedback discussion channel. Beta is there for feedback before things go live. thats the whole purpose, so dont make it seem like as if beta testers are being mean for giving constructive criticism to tgc making bad choices because thats the whole point of us being here

[barren moss]

the snowflake blow finally comes…….

[waxen charm]

Idk bro..first topic was the cat hair then next topic is a argument im not joining naurrr

[brazen osprey]

Tgc change the community favorite cat hair for an IAP and put the mask (changed amd simplified) instead

[sand dawn]

storm still raging on I see

[ancient pike]

As long as the original cat mask returns, I don’t care what happens to the edgelord mask.

[naive trail]

Probably will for the rest of the day or till tgc says something

[toxic monolith]

To all the defenders:
before trying to call everyone out for being “mean and disrespectful” actually figure out why people are complaining.

yeah, there’s a lot of stuff other than sky. “just don’t buy it” well i probably won’t, but that’s only because i have to make a choice between that, or something i can use irl. i shouldn’t have to make a choice between pixels and irl. pixels should NOT be this expensive* and nobody should have to decide between them. there’s a difference between calling someone out for their vital flaws, and being disrespectful

Still, stay respectful to everyone. don’t take anger out on people who don’t deserve it. i’m angry too

[maiden pond]

Boy, this is more rough than Eden ever will be. I sure wouldn't want to be adventuring through THIS storm.

[dire fox]

You expect people to be less angry when we've heard hide nor hair from the developers? They haven't addressed any of the feedback and the mods were being no less aloof yesterday.

[spark lance]

How are you going to handle a situation which you are the one thats the right but you seem to people like you're wrong? Politeness? TGC clearly cares about people haves money. F2P players like me doesnt get a single good thing. They even changed the mask JUST because of it was going to be IGC. Proves my point, we are the ones left out here. It is the most normal thing for the people to be mad at TGC. No one has control here right now.

[spark lance]

Bro don’t try and blame it on me. Listen to what I’m saying! I clearly have said “yes tgc is wrong to make prices this high” but like I’m not saying right now you guys are being to mean or rude but look at the episode last night! That was honestly pretty rude with everyone yelling at each other. And if its “oh look that person is a tgc defender” then it becomes beta player against beta player and we get no where!

@still mauve I’m not the mean one here okay? Everyone has a different side and we need to respect that. I feel no shame about myself just because you are upset and need an outlet. Maybe I don’t have a valid point. As I said in my bio I am not to bright but I just want people to get along. And continuing to argue about human values is pointless if you just keep saying insults back. I am confident with myself and no you can’t tell me to leave or be better because I know who I am and I have figured myself out.

[gilded parrot]

📱iOS/Android: Learn about the sign-up process and how to get notified when invites happen in #beta-faq!
Switch: The Switch Beta testing period has ended with Live launch. All future content testing will be conducted on Mobile only.

[spark lance]

It's annoying to see you guys say "oh still this topic" YES because it is a problem this is feedback, this is BETA. This channel is literally meant for this discussion I don't know what else you want here. Snowflakes for calling out a companies greed?.

If we just "move on" things aren't going to change, or better yet will change for the worst. Just like it's happening now so YES WE ARE ON THE SAME TOPIC

THIS WOULDNT HAVE HAPPENED IF IT WERENT FOR TGCS POOR DECISION MAKING AND WANT TO MAKE QUICK CASH

If you stop to think

You can interpret that TGC made it simple because it's free
And like: the ugly item is for the poor and the beautiful item is for the rich

And that may well be it, because it doesn't make sense to oversimplify that mask
TGC you're P H A T E T I C

*to tgc's defense, ktjn did say the cat mask isn't up to standard, and they were planning since 2 weeks ago to change it

current one's probably a placeholder but, as expected with it being a common theme right now, it was never officially communicated to the testers

[rough falcon]

Can tgc say something? Anything? It's been radio silence for the past 14 hours.

[copper pagoda]

oh yea i was really excited for abyss
im very sad many seasons dont have as many effects on their seasonal areas
i loved forgotten ark, wind paths, and the treehouse, i could see actual progression in it

village of dreams and sanc islands didnt have that but at the very least they were big areas with multiple things to do, + the latter is good for cr stuff

but abyss and tlp didnt really offer that much imo, especially the former. i was so interested abt it when i first saw the name too, but they didnt do so much with the concept and its rlly just a "visit for quests and leave" season
also the current live bug for the clams makes it not even worth to cr :/

[spark lance]

THIS
ppl start complaining when an item they really liked gets unwanted changes but this has been going on for so long.
Let me refresh y'all's memory:

-OBVIOUS disregard for non-iOS players (especially 🤖). Bugs on 🤖 rarely get resolved and they "enhance" the graphics at the cost of literally EVERY other 🤖 device. Since a bit after Dreams it's only been worse. How? Unannounced in the patch notes it was obvious they did some kind of graphics tweaking since players complained about water, transparent textures and creatures, and clouds since then. Has it been resolved (20 months since)? No, it has gone worse, in fact.
0 compensation for them when on their devices (look at reviews, even on 🤖10) server crashed unexpectedly.

-gaslight regarding pack prices. Especially at the 🌈 event (let's be honest, they only mildly gave us what we wanted bc at this no company wants to be labeled as homophobic today). Supposedly, it's known that items w/🕯️ packs aren't more expensive because of +🕯️ but, how come hair accessories w/o 🕯️ cost around 3$ and comparable accessories w/🕯️ cost 30$?

-blatant gaslight when "anniversary guitar" happened. The beta update CLEARLY stated "anniversary guitar" for 15$. When they changed it and we complained, they started lying to us. "It was never an anniversary guitar, you read it wrong" or sumn, and they went back to the update notice and changed the description. Not happy with all the gaslight, they felt they needed to fool us more and added 🕯️ to buff the price saying anniversary guitar was never a thing, they don't know where that idea came from and the guitar is a gift for ppl buying the 🕯️. So it went from an anniversary iAP to "we are gifting the guitar, why are you complaining?"

-they tested the waters by giving us an overpriced iGC 🌈cape and seeing how much we were willing to pay on TLP cosmetics (may i add the very coincidental😉 juggler while also "giving in" with the sword pants for 200 🕯️, obviously 🕯️buying bait, c'mon)

[signal folio]

It really could be so much worse but it's not.

This game community has its issues but I can't stand when people act like it's "soooo toxic" because this place is so tame.

Like this community dislikes when people are homophoic, misogynistic, etc. like that's AMAZING

[spice mason]

This happens often. But this specifcally is a change that happened after the hairstyle was so well recieved. And that's where the problem comes in.

I can understand people being upset.

[plucky venture]

Well said. How many bug reports need to be sent to fix the split in the forest? According to this logic, if someone does not like the fact that splits continue in the forest, then let them not go into the forest in groups

[thorny jay]

If you care about something you want to see it improve but to help something improve sometimes you have to be critical. Just throwing this out here because the people being dismissive don't seem to grasp why people are upset

If you truly don't care and this isn't something that affects your experience I'm happy for you, but please understand why people ARE upset and understand it comes from a place of love. Not just wanting free cat ears

[hoary goblet]

It's like this with every backlash lmao. They disappear, then release a new update or an invite waves comes out and everyone is forced to move on

[native stump]

Nothing happened to the community, the community is still the same community, we are just talking about this bad move by TGC. It's the TGC that does the real disrespect. They literally lied to us! and we became the disrespectful ones?? No one takes greed calmly.

[subtle juniper]

Guys, lets not stop the discussion until we get the Justice we deserve as players and consumers 💅

[still mauve]

If you wanna get along with ppl maybe try stopping to throw insults at them and making them feel bad or call them mean , and I wasn't blaming it on you like I said before if you don't like the environment here or the discussion going on you're free to leave and you also should take it consideration others complains not only yours

[orchid nexus]

let's not start calling each other snowflakes, that's over the line into personal attacks. it's not productive to argue about whose opinion is valid. people can voice constructive criticism of the company here, but people can also voice a desire to talk about other topics

[spark lance]

Well, my guy, look a video of how long it takes to drop a new beta version of a game. If they're going to change something, we are going to see in the patch notes. Don't forget that they're working on capes and ult rewards of Aurora's season, they're not going to drop a new version just to change one thing, and they're not going to do a official statement because it's beta, not live version

[shy bronze]

I really don't know what tgc was expecting once changing the cat hair, they've done this before and faced heavy backlash. Not usually one to criticise, but they were definitely playing with fire here.

[violet bane]

To people trying to defend “how it’s the way the game works” is dumb, they noticed the cat hair was getting famous so they obviously changed it to an IAP for a cash grab, to make us feel pitiful they replaced the cat mask into this ugly mask that makes it look like we should be grateful they even added this item. Not only that, this is not just because of one hair, no this problem has already been happening around the game and it’s players this is just basically the final tick people can’t ignore.

[acoustic raptor]

I'm just waiting for the final result LOL

[thorn terrace]

Ok, but usually, when they update the beta?
Once per week? If there are bugs, they just update it right away?

[spark lance]

Oh yes let's decide teams and label everyone based on their arguments instead of reading and giving proper response to it.
Why as soon a discussion pop ups people always do that?
Isn't about them vs us! 🤦🏾‍♀️

[cunning solar]

guys i know y’all upset rn but don’t be rude and keep it calm… it doesn’t apply to everyone but being disrespectful doesn’t change anything

[tidal bramble]

Yeah I really just want Blake cat ears and a ruby hooded cape, it would look sooo cute. Plus a Weiss hair, bring a high side ponytail, would probably be well received too.

[dense barn]

TGC defenders are triggering my anger issues 💀

[naive dragon]

i understand the whole thing and how us players r treated like bank machines whenever we like something it jumps to iap which is pretty much unfair i am not here to keep complaining about the situation but many stuff has turned into iap like take for example this event rn we only got a tent for "free" and the rest r an iap item they arent adding sm free items to the game and they r focusing on the iap to make it pretty and all

[limber ember]

keep up this complaining, they're so used to executing the "silent treatment", force them to speak

[placid iron]

textwalls galore!!!

[spark lance]

Agreed. Not to mention these items are free in beta. thats the purposes of the testers there. I actually have a few friends who only play beta and stopped playing live because of the ridiculous prices. They've decided that dealing with the bugs and the glitches in beta and the constant wipes is worth it in comparison to the 24.99 shinanegans in live .

[orchid nexus]

once again, please don't attack each other's opinions. this is a common forum and all views are welcome if they stick to server rules and stay respectful of fellow members

[still rain]

[copper quartz]

I will just go send as many feed backs as possible now. (Idc if they ignore it)

[radiant cipher]

I’m just getting a bit tired of the whole “we’re listening to the community” “we take in all the feedback for consideration” “no beta changes are permanent” when we’ve come with feedback - the opposite thing happens or nothing happens. iT’s nOt PeRmAnEnt like sure but why is it that so many things in beta also do seem to be permanent yk. Screaming at someone who isn’t listening obviously

[topaz rapids]

Something to keep in consideration is that timezones are pretty wack, its probably really early for them so they might not have seen the feedback yet!

[orchid nexus]

intentionally spamming will be treated as a violation of server rules. Sending feedback once will be both more effective and give less chance of mods being involved

[rapid reef]

TGC is not our friend. They do not listen, especially not to those bringing genuine concern and issues up.

TGC has grown predatory and actively prey on their paying playerbase.(The switch of something claimed to be IGC to IAPs after seeing a massive positive reaction IS PREDATORY.)
TGC disrespect their F2Ps continually be reducing items quality. Not only that but the game has grown heavily F2P hostile.
TGC repeatedly ignore reports of massive bugs and release things in live that are glitchy, buggy and clearly unpolished despite a month of feedback about said issue in beta. They DO NOT LISTEN TO FEEDBACKS AND REPORTS AS MUCH AS THEY CLAIMS.

This is not about cosmetics. It's about the treatment their give to their players, they are disrespecting us. Stop pretending this is just us being mean or it's all about a cosmetic. We are doing this because we do not want to see sky keep on preying on their player base. We don't want to see this game die. We don't want to see TGC laying off employee because they keep turning on their playerbase.

This is not about a cosmetics but an ongoing issue that finally overflowed.

[modern geyser]

I don't think spamming the channel will help

[dire fox]

Dawg I know how long it takes for updates to come out. I work in the gaming industry. The least they could do is have a community manager make an announcement in their official discord server to address the concerns of their playerbase. Most games don't have the luxury of having an official discord server, or even semi-public beta testing.

[spark lance]

Thank youuu. It’s hard to stand up for myself with this cooldown and I feel like everyone is yelling at me and I’m just a kid! These are grown adults arguing and arguing at me and “I’m the one throwing insults!”😭😭😭😭 it’s just to overwhelming I just want it to stop!!

[spark lance]

If the mask doesn't meet his standards, THEN WHY DID IT LAUNCH THAT WAY???
Tgc seems to do stupid things on purpose and then say it was a mistake, it's not possible for a company like that to do something stupid, what a hate.

[ancient pike]

If you’d all like to know how bad this is, I stood behind every decision they made with the Season of Shattering, save for how they made multiplayer function. So if I think it’s bad then it’s probably pretty bad.

[bleak orbit]

iaps in this game are obscenely priced and we are approaching the point where all there is for f2ps/low spenders in "events" is an earring made of recycled cardboard. Rest of the event? That'll be 60 dollars please. pretty soon "event" will be synonymous with "please give me money"

[spark lance]

ESPECIALLY since they claimed that discussion whether it could be iAP or iGC had been going on for a week. After "accidentally" (let's say) putting it as iGC to help decide, you see that your player base finally gets the hope your company is improving, and your next choice is to say "yep clearly they are going to love this being iAP"?

The worst is like they act like this was this tough decision when our happiness supposedly would have given them the correct answer but instead they used our hype to think "they for sure are going to buy the hair since they loved it"

[spark lance]

People say it’s so “obvious” and will be convinced that’s what they did, but the fact is none of us will know until they reveal it, so I think accusing and righteous grandstanding is a waste.

I don’t even care why they did I just want it changed because its a lame decision.

[spark lance]

..Same

[sacred spade]

I think you should move to a cozier channel if it gets overwhelming I don't think the arguments will stop anytime soon

[spark lance]

I would LOVE kny collab bro the haoris of the hashiras would fit perfectly as capes in Sky

[blazing moon]

[still mauve]

nobody's standing up for nobody in there it's just stating that it's not good to thorw insults so easily, and if everyone's yelling at you cuz you're a kid as you say maybe if you didn't like it you could've just chosen to ignore but no you kept stirring us up about it so let's not play pretend out here just cuz we have different ages and yes you're also throwing insult by Calling us mean and rude when this is what feedback is made for I agree it's harsh but this is the only way they'll notice it

[subtle juniper]

What?... You called us rude,what did you expect?? A gift?.....

Now we are Evil for explaining you why what you said was bad?
And yeah, there's adults and kids here,is unavoidable

[violet bane]

Tbh, (in my opinion) these events are literally just excuses for people to buy these overpriced iap because if they don’t it’ll be gone forever 💀

[cedar yew]

Tbh I find sky improving a bit for seasons
After the better seasons, assembly and flight was forgettable, but abyss and performance was fun. And special.
Shattering is a mix. I like some of it, but there's no new area to explore, which was always my favourite... I love exploring.

Just some thoughts, since I saw people saying they don't like some seasons

Did I legit forget about little prince lol

[orchid nexus]

it's fair for people to go elsewhere if they don't like the atmosphere. it's also fair for people here to know about it if they've hurt someone because they got wrapped up in what they felt was an abstract debate

[spark lance]

no idea either
it's unfortunate that things are a mess rn, I understand that they might have not prepared a placeholder for the patch, but now?

theu could have at least left a note for this patch saying
'cat mask design is different, note that this is a placeholder, because the item is currently being redesigned'
but ofc, what kind of company would actually need to communicate with it's testers? /s

[cosmic orchid]

even if the patchnotes lead to misinformation, and we were lied to
the fact that "Everything in beta is subject to change" means that our complaints are practically in vain because we were told that changes are bound to happen and even patchnotes aren't final and solid facts
we'll never find justice if we were lied to or not because thats just the nature of beta and the item was planned to be IAP from the start

[hallow igloo]

Wow, there wasn't a single period in that paragraph. Just one single run on sentence.

[spark lance]

idk much about this discussion but to me it looks like the feedback from the players is almost always ignored being both beta and live

[cursive tinsel]

You might find it easier to discuss this on #beta-season-test-chat but yes I hope the Golden doors (that now open) lead to a boat to new map area in 0.19.5 as part of the season progression

[copper pagoda]

,,, i hope you know some of us arent,,,, adults either? like um, you aren't the only kid here rn
i will say i dont want to insult you and you have a right to leave if you get overwhelmed, so please keep yourself safe— but also please know that calling us rude and meanies n such is also not super nice behavior

remember that you kinda. jumped into the fire for this one
i dont think we should name call you but we generally are pretty clear on our opinions lie, so being suprised on why many people disagreed with you is a little baffling from my end personally

[uneven lotus]

now which one of you guys here asked for the adult and kid information, cuz I sure didn't

[errant wadi]

OK I'M SCARED IF TGC WILL IGNORE ALL OF THIS CHAOS

[worldly quest]

why bother with beta testers if they aren’t even gonna listen to feedback anyways 💀

[placid iron]

Ok yeah that just seems like overeggageration now

[spark lance]

ALSO TO ADD

TGC ALWAYS gives "oh btw yeah we meant to do it" only AFTER the backlash happens. They released the low quality mask to FTP players without saying anything THEN ONLY AFTER telling us its supposedly being remade. Why not say it in the first place? And if you knew A WEEK ago the hair is going to became an IAP, why not say it? Why AGAIN only after the backlash. Its sketchy seems like just a quick fix, a lie.

I'm not saying that it is but it does feel like it since its been happening again and again, now in the same day.

It's upsetting and they always try to put out the backlash instead of actually LISTENING to us.

TGC DO NOT JUST SILENTLY MOVE ON FROM THIS. THAT WOULD BE THE MOST DISAPPOINTING THING OF ALL THAT YOU COULD DO.

[rough falcon]

Idk about you guys but I'm not giving them any more money OR shutting up about this until they fix this mess.

[limber ember]

🧉 heres mate for you soldiers to continue

[radiant cipher]

Not surprised if they do tbh, it’s what they always do about stuff that really matters to the community

[topaz rapids]

Friendly reminder that timezones exist and it's probably really early for where tgc is based!

[magic jetty]

tgc suddenly charlie from charlie, no! book wadaheel

[rapid reef]

I can't say this loud enough.

[cunning solar]

one even said if we knew how much tgc stuff were getting payed… so i don’t think they really care about what we think.. as long as they get payed:]]

[dire fox]

They're right, no company will ever be your friend no matter how much they pander to you.

[spark lance]

if you really want tgc to change you should do more than just voice your opinion or give feedback. limit your purchases. or stop buying entirely. stop posting about it on your social media page it's literally just free advertising and promotion for them (better yet just private your account). mass quit beta and don't rejoin until the changes are made. you need to take action in places you might not feel comfortable going if you want them to listen since it seems that most people agree they dont listen to feedback on its own.

[spark lance]

Yelling? really? I'm speechless. if you're a kid then go to better channel because we having a war argument here. If you can't overdo it, just leave ok? or go to sleep or go outside and take some fresh air. because if you stay here maybe it will get worst 🙂

[spark lance]

Players are standing up for their opinions and the fact that we're being treated like ATMs. and now we're the ones being called mean? Last time I checked these were all well justifed constructive criticism with structured feedback and comparisons to how things were dealt with in the past by tgc. this is just a buildup of many many disappointments in the community and im sorry it had to turn out this way but people are upset. Players are quitting. I have a friend who started playing during live opening and just decided to quit recently because of how ridiculous the prices have gotten .

[gritty void]

lmao standard tgc defender

[orchid nexus]

remember everyone, that talking in absolutes and hyperbole is harmful to your arguments and creates an antagonistic discussion with entrenched opinions. the best use of this space is to discuss and hear the variety of opinions, not to steamroll each other. Being angry is fine, but attacking each other's opinions is not

[spark lance]

this, oh so this, marrying that comment

[spark lance]

A little but I feel the exaggeration helps me understand how frustrated* they are and what exactly their point is. I have issues following fast pace discussions tho so I don’t mind the exaggeration in this case.

[spark lance]

I escaped from my psychologically abusive mom just to be gaslit (mentally abused) by a game company that unfortunately created my save space, great 😄👍

[native stump]

"we are planning make the cat hair IGC"
after everyone liked the hair:
It was because of "Poor communication". "We planned 2 weeks before"

I'm sorry but that sounds like a lie to me. They even set the price of the hair and released the update.

[spark lance]

Just stop okay! If you read anything I said you will notice that I don’t agree with tgc decisions but I dont agree with your guys actions okay! Oh I hope this comment isn’t insulting anyone I would hate for all the steamrollers to feel threatened 😭

[spark lance]

Don’t be so bitter, bitter. not everyone will agree that tgc are mustache twirling villains

[delicate mason]

The sky community has always been a safe refuge for many people. The community has always been like this and hasn't changed. However the sky community is caring for not only their fellow players but the games they play as well. The beta testers are only beta testing because they love sky and everything they give as feedback is out of care for the game and it's community.
Feedback can be good and bad and unfortunately a lot of the feedback criticising elements of the game that need improvement are being ignored. Not many(if any) outright purposefully try to insult the Devs, but the Devs have ignored feedback not only now but in the past. This has caused our very amazing community to stand up because they don't feel like they are being listened too. One thing a company should do is recognised when the community feels like their feedback is not being considered and show to them that they are being heard and that their feedback is being considered. So far tgc hasn't been on top of that. Companies need to make money, everyone knows that, but a company can only run if it's consumers are happy, and for that to happen tgc needs to step up and show that they listen to our feedback and truely take it into consideration

[still mauve]

That triggered my anger issues and I tried being as respectful as I could but pretending you're not also hurting or throwing insults is yk kind of...

[kind nest]

My feedback message was too long. We xan only send a feedback of 2000 words and I had 2900 I shortened it now but I couldn't include everything cus of that. There should be no limit to words.

[cosmic orchid]

Mass quit beta

TGC: You activated my trap card! flips beta wave invites

[woven crow]

THIS:

[gentle lily]

Has this channel always been this heavy with the discussion

[errant badge]

First time ever

[spark lance]

Excuse me but why did they even choose to make a mask look like that I saw that mask on my dreams yesterday

[bronze matrix]

That's a discord app thing, only nitro people can go over the 2000 character limit, that's not on TGC

[subtle juniper]

Only when tgc pulls out the last straw

[elder inlet]

might be the longest discussion- prolly cus things been bottled up

[violet bane]

For the peeps thinking we’re just a bunch of users just getting angry over a cat hair changing into a IAP

[vital river]

i think it’s just getting a lil ridiculous. i gave the first feedback this time because how they switched the item

[teal viper]

Yeah the cat hair really just became something people got so frustrated about huh

And the mask

[agile hazel]

Yep, this hot mess has been going on for 16 hours straight now. So close to 24

[sacred spade]

Only when possible controversial changes have been made into the game tlp flashbacks

[craggy mauve]

I dont get why they downgraded the cat mask to just an angry mask. Isnt this holloween supposed to have a cat theme? Why remove a cat theme item from it?

[orchid nexus]

be careful when pinging each other with replies. something you feel might be a snarky quip will feel like a personal attack to someone else if it comes with a ping. personal arguments and attacks may come with mutes if we don't all treat each other with respect

[waxen charm]

I don't think this is the first time something like this happened right? 😭

[limpid pumice]

Days of rainbow pants. Was IAP then to IGC because of complaints.

[naive arrow]

Are you winning son?
(Spend my cooldown on such a message, I'm a genius)

[magic jetty]

THAT'S JUST DISCORD LIMITS 😟

[astral gulch]

the TLP Iap drama

[fathom inlet]

I feel like TGC is using us and it’s frustrating. Sky is my safe place and the fandom too, and because and their « greediness » its all collapsing. Fr its not a little more of igc items that will lower your paycheck TGC. I hope it will be fixed

[cedar yew]

Tbh people was always bit mad about sky, repeating someone else's saying, cat hair is just the final straw.

It just shows how much TGC cares: barely.

[junior ridge]

damn we all still have hope then

[spark lance]

If you're not giving constructive feedback to the beta content. you really shouldnt even be posting here. Calling people mean isnt going to get anything anywhere. I've read a couple of your last comments and nothing mentioned any item currently testing in beta.
Furthermore. We're discussing the current rise in prices right now. sure we dont have to buy if we dont want to , and we dont have to play. but we're fighting for the morale and rights of live players. IF we dont discuss this now, the prices will only keep on increasing in live and player morale will go down, the only ones left to play the game are millionaires. Theres a huge class difference in the game right now already, and its evident with the amount of iap items a skykid wears on a daily basis. This is getting worse. Middle class players are no longer able to afford anything nice in the game that's an iap item. This is no longer an affordable game to keep up. We spend hours candle running for one nice item, only for tgc to take it away from us and put it behind a pay wall. please explain how that's fair ?

[spark lance]

Some kid think disagreement is a direct act against then. If they don't have the maturity to handle having their arguments rebuked i think they should step back. Minors can have good arguments and solid opinions but if you can't handle is the best to move on. People here even if some are angry and frustrated still have good opinions about the topic and labeling all of us a rude and mean because of it isn't nice of them either. U_U

[spring stone]

Crashes tht were happening for android players when swordpants and juggler came making some players unable to buy them

[ancient pike]

Okay let’s all just calm down and provide the facts in an easy-to-digest manner.

So the cat hair for the Days of Mischief was an in-game currency item.

The cat mask, the cat cape, and mischievous cat prop we’re all part of a bundle.

People loved the cat hair for being a cute, unique, unisex, and free-to-play hairstyle.

The recent update swapped the cat hair out for the cat mask and redid the mask to be very basic and boring (the best way to put it), especially compared to the old version.

[rotund reef]

Yikes! This has been going on for a while now and it’s exhausting just popping in this channel like I can feel my energy being zapped! Hope tgc takes some action soon!

[gritty void]

basically everyone rn and yes i waested my chat for that and i don't care