beta-discussion

[gaunt oracle]

TGC, you are really going too far. Why do players want to change it when they like it? You also give us a free cat's head😭😭This kind of eating is a bit ugly. Such obvious money circling behavior will really make players lose a lot of enthusiasm for this game. Even in the test service, they should take care of the emotions of the players. The reason why players play this game is that the game can cure players rather than cause depression. It is hoped that the cat head can be changed back in the later stage of TGC. Otherwise, many players will be lost.

[spark lance]

i know they really need money, but y'all know there's many IAP items before right. but they add more free items on that.
At least tgc, Please add more new good items if the kitty hair is paid. desperately please.
This is my opinion if tgc doesn't want to put back the kitty hair as free.

[real kiln]

I just wanted to point out, Sky was already grindy to begin with, they’re becoming worse by every event, as someone pointed it, there’s literally more iap items in the upcoming season than free items. Not to mention, even after paying that money to access the cosmetics you still need to grind hours and hours on end and wait weeks just to unlock one node. Paying just to play the game, needing to pay more to speed up the process, and then needing to pay even more to unlock non seasonal items, f2p and new players are having dirt being kicked on them

[wispy glen]

Leave them they just want attention don't reply to them anymore

[brittle finch]

I'm at an urge to quit this game if they keep changing popular items into IAP in next seasons or events

[forest valve]

Why the argument of friendships over cosmetics? A good game should be able to accommodate both sides, especially in a game like this where cosmetics are a major part of the game. People play for a multitude of reasons, cosmetic collecting and dressing up is just as a valid reason to play the game as friendships are.

[hybrid wedge]

Milk chocolate or dark chocolate or white choclate?

[smoky sleet]

sounds yummy

[plush pier]

i personally dont want the cat hair (but i do see the appeal), im especially mad about the voice ‘instrument’. Its something that everyone and their mother have been asking about for AGES and then locking that behind a paywall is EXTREMELY annoying, and you can TELL that they’re doing it on purpose.

[prime void]

If we don’t complain - if we don’t try to make things better, this game will just fail as many other games have after following a similar path.

[rough wigeon]

AGREEEE. As a old live player is not hard to see the newbie get rejected just because of not having the cosmetics. Everyone wants to look good while people have to wait so long for the ts to come and get what they want why not make the hair free? come on so many people are excited about this . There are already plenty of IAP for day of mischief (all pretty expensive 😢) tgc can still earn a lot. Making the hair in the pack which cost $20+ that most of us can afford is not reasonable at all.

[spark lance]

I love cats, and when I found out TGC was finally making a cat themed cosmetics for Days of Mischief (aka Halloween, my favorite holiday) I was SO EXCITED! I’ve never actually bought any IAPs before aside from Season Passes, and I really wanted to buy the cat pack! But with the rearranging of items and downgrading of the cat mask which looked so cute I’m kinda losing motivation to do that

[winged anvil]

This one has been clarified before that the candles only just make the pack/item more attractive to buy, they don’t add onto the price of the item so yeah

[cosmic orchid]

they've made it pretty clear that they detest us grinding, so they make more iaps so our hard work gets tossed to the side

[warped geode]

Not me supposed to be asleep but being on Discord because of the situation
Also I don’t think that I’ll sleep well with all of this

[gusty zenith]

You know it's really bad when even paying players are disappointed by the change

[graceful widget]

sky should not be polluted by money！

[golden knot]

😫

[spark lance]

TGC really need to listen our feedback, plus days of mischief have many iaps comestic like witch hair , horn , spider web hair , bat cape , witch cape , pumpkin hair , pumpkin krill prop and pants, can pretty sure it's $50 or above

@hasty pendant $20 is $80 in my country lol

[lime laurel]

The issue is people are upset, and they will vent that frustration on an employee that does not have any power. So please please try and keep your feedback civil but direct. You can complain and still be civil in the beta feedback, and definitely explain why this has upset us

[spark lance]

alr I'm leaving for now

reminder to take care of yourself, and if you ever find yourself too clouded by how upset
you are, take a break!
stay civil with one another, bc at the end of the day, people are fighting for change, not fighting against each other

[covert mirage]

Sky: Adult of the Light
||since they can make money||
||And Im sorry ||

[novel aspen]

What I find kinda odd is that they went through the effort of making the mask look in-theme with the cat thing, then swapped it out for a cheap and seemingly quickly-made alternative mask and all the while claiming that this was planned a week ago? If it was planned a week ago, why wasn't the hair in the pack already? Why did the mask have an awesome cat theme if it wasn't actually supposed to be in the pack, and they now went through the effort of changing its appearance? This makes no sense and genuinely leads me to believe that they did this whole thing on purpose after seeing how much everyone loved the hair, and quickly swapped out the mask. And even so, WHY WOULD THEY CHANGE IT? Why change the mask, TGC? Are the F2P not allowed to have on-theme items?

[river socket]

||honestly, TGC is getting da bag bro, used to hate that but it is what it is lol||

[spark lance]

[strange kindle]

Sounds like prime morning-nap time to me

[cloud merlin]

as someone who's been playing since the first day there are soooo many iap items now. so many events and all of them incorporate an iap somehow. as compared to only halloween in 2019... it's just disappointing to see sky move from being inclusive to being exclusive to paying players.

[hasty pendant]

Whhhhat?! 💀

[spark lance]

Everyone always says you don't NEED to buy these items but the people love cat hair. Right now, at least me aren't taking about just IAPs. We are talking about cat hair. We loved it and TGC saw that and made it a paid item. It was finally a new gender neutral hair that everyone loved so it hurts when it gets taken away to be put behind a pay wall and even in a expensive bundle. Probably 25$+. That we don't even know the price of and will not know until it comes to live.
This is why we are upset. Yesterday they said that the hair is being planned to be in game currency.

[winged gust]

I appreciate that some of the server boosters are here, standing with us all who're unhappy on this.
Because clearly, they support TGC. And they can get that $10 Discord Nitro. They can probably pay for all this craziness with no problems, and yet they see the issue too! Thank you
Y'all I'm so moneyless I work a month on a server to get a $5 USD Nitro. I can't just.... suddenly spend money on a cosmetics that was free when I'm they type of person to stretch $20 for 3 whole months when it comes to ANY ONLINE PURCHASES 😭 (already left feedback relating to this, don't you worry y'all)
I'm in the same situation, and it's definitely disappointing to see TGC continually going down this route, despite making so much as free game with iAPs. But thank you, our booster brethren, for standing with us smallums. 🤝

[bright portal]

White chocolate isn't real chocolate bye 🚶‍♀️

[cedar yew]

Voicing our options is very well required, otherwise how does a game improve?

And let me be real here, sky has been going downhill for a LONG time

[hot aurora]

Yea pretty sure tgc knows what they were doing here. It's quite obvious that making something IGC then suddenly converting it to IAP will generate some very opinionated reactions.

Like everyone here, I have my own thoughts on this situation, but rather than stating it it's less tiring and more interesting to just enjoy the show of crazy comments || (not the majority ofc but some of y'all need to remember that it's just pixels 👁️) ||
Now we observe and see how things go luckily mischief is months away and anything can change in that time

[spark lance]

Watching this whole war is amusing

10 MINUTES COOLDOWN???

[barren falcon]

IKR

[final spire]

Sky: Rich guys earned the lights 🤑

[valid briar]

TGC please let us keep the dark chao mask too, I actually want it.

[barren moss]

beta testers right now: ALSDFHJAFAKHJF
a mod: so chocolate orrrrrr

[old carbon]

If cat hair is still iap and TGC’s office was burning and I was a fireman

I’d tour children around town with the firetruck 😐

[spark lance]

3 years of suffering

[full dagger]

Y'all if they don't change.. rate it 1 star.... I think we'll get something out of it if their game is 3.1★ (つ≧▽≦)つ

[rotund depot]

FR

[dire egret]

I mean it is auroras voice isn’t it? They have to put it behind a paywall i assume because it’s part of the collaboration (just like the little Prince stuff was behind AP)

[halcyon quail]

Trying to change the subject even if for s fraction of a second

[hybrid wedge]

Agreed but it was included for politeness

[pure sleet]

Will you guys stop giving feedback before mischief or you guys will continue? cuz i have little hope it will back be IGC but i still hope its back being IGC like the Prince sword pants

[boreal shell]

Tgc just prey on people blinded by their false image of compassion and wholesomeness

[agile patrol]

this is the worst take i have ever seen in this channel get out ||/j||

[faint steppe]

Most sky vets I’ve seen are taking breaks bc playing sky just feels like a chore now, it’s the same schedule all over again , you go on sky, do dailies, candle run, send gifts of light, log off, resorted every single day to the point where Theyr so burnt out they can’t play it anymore

[pale widget]

Indeed, the official eating style makes people feel worse.

[hybrid wedge]

@chilly zenith and other folks, please stop arguing with each other. There’s no need to go into personal arguments on this

[tardy hazel]

Btw is there IAP item for next season like little prince?

[distant nacelle]

UHM?? i saw you in beta screenshots and videos and you had a WHOLEEE other opinion if i go to search you up in this group, you said this exact message: "Hello Beta Testers !
I would like to say that keeping arguing about the IAPs and the Feline-inspired hairstyle, Keeping saying and posting that TGC did a bad mistake and that they’re a money grabbing company is seriously not good. Remember that it is BETA and everything can change so don’t worry it is not as if it was the final choice. We are beta testers and TGC listening to us (the community) so if we don’t agree for something and want it to be changed, all we have to do is just to put our opinion about it (a beta feedback). All you do no is wasting your time. The time is precious
So please just be polite nice and kind to them because they take our feedbacks to heart and all it was said to them was very negative and can touch them"

[shadow stratus]

Indeed, white chocolate shouldnt be compared to normal chocolate, its way superior

[spark lance]

Some people comments reeks elitism and this mentality haunts this community
It was the same with the traveling spirits some really disliked the ideia of cosmetics returning i want my Friends to match with me but we can't no longer because some of them can't afford.

[violet coral]

Now let's talk bout that people calling us dramatic for things which was supossed to be free at first.
We are the players,we are supossed to be hear,they get money because us, at least they can hear us. I have the right to say my opinion and want a change, i have spent money in this game so The least they could do is listen to us sometimes.

[hybrid wedge]

@tardy hazel please use #beta-season-test-chat for season questions!

[buoyant basin]

While I agree it isnt too big of a deal, I can see why people are getting so worked up over it because of how many ppl enjoy the look of that hair. While it doesn't matter much to u, I think ppl were happy when first announced it was igc. It would havr been fair to both f2p players and players who spend money too. Candles can be obtained in game, but irl money? Not everyone has a job. This isnt even the first time where we've had such a thing of igc turned to iap or iaps being overpriced. I'm saying this in the most genuine way and I respect your decision

[lime plover]

This, i agree to this as a late rhythm moth

[spice zodiac]

for the love of everything lower the prices of iaps below 10$ and make customization more accessible, end the neverending ts cycles, i don't care if you're a vet and you're losing ego boost, so am i, if new players could express themselves more easily maybe they wouldn't get bored so fast and leave

[delicate willow]

Tgc: express yourself an make friends in this wholesome game! Relax and dont worry about irl issues

Also tgc: BUY OUR 30$ COSMETICS GIVE US MONEY THIS CAPE WILL BE GONE AFTER TODAY 🤯🤯🤯

[violet bane]

Haha :”D im close to leaving Sky- this is becoming an EA type of game where u need to pay for basically everything-

[elfin delta]

Milk chocolate all the way

[orchid nexus]

share opinions, but don't get caught up in other people's feelings or we all risk losing the substance of our own feedback. find solid reasons for what you're feeling, and remember this isn't twitter! we're sharing this space and we all deserve each other's kindness

[cursive topaz]

we all united under the same chat to have our voices heard but turning against one another isn’t helping anyone

[echo mason]

If we calculate all IAP's for Mischief

10$
15$
30$
10$
10$
5$
2$

For returning items 💀 = 82$

If they add the cat prop and cat pack
Let's say cat pack will be 20$ and prop will be 2$ ohhhhhhhh
=104$ 🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰

I'm sorry but I'm speechless on the cooldown

[proper inlet]

Sorry i expressed myself wrong, i meant this is what i think from the perspective of a player who stopped caring about cosmetics a long while ago, it's just not a big deal for me
Even though, i still agree with you guys, and i already left feedback to help, because clearly most of you have a really different vision of the game than i do, and that's ok, after all, everyone can have different visions of everything
So, i hope tgc gets better at this and reverts those changes 💝
Gn y'all, i'm gonna sleep now

[rugged fiber]

Exactly and tgc doesn't really do
Anything to change that

[fluid socket]

im totally upset about the change to the cat mask an cat hair but please be nice with feed back

[spark lance]

goodnight

[frank mirage]

Days of Mischief? More like Days of No Money

A single dollar from the US is worth more than 50 PHP as of now. And multiple players are from Asian countries with currencies worth less than a dollar from the US. That may not be the case for other players but it's still something to be aware of.

These IAP prices are becoming more unreasonable than WCUE gamepass prices.

[vestal pier]

i guess my 12.50$ isn’t gonna do anything

[north locust]

I still can’t believe they uncatted the cat mask 😭 edit: COOLDOWN IS TEN MINUTES WHAT

[atomic yoke]

ok but if tgc actually listened to the feedback of its players we wouldn't have to fight everyone to get our voices heard

[hushed grove]

UNCATTED THE CAT MASK HELPE

[stark lake]

lmao a few more events a season kick off
and tgc prices gonna be competing with my monthly rent

[hybrid wedge]

People are free to their opinions about IAP. Just because they’re different from other people’s opinion doesn’t mean they’re “undermining the game” or “hurting the cause.” This is a channel for everyone who follows the rules

[spark lance]

I was very disappointed with Tgc after this cat hair change, really wanted the item and in my country the values ​​are ABSURD for items paid.

[chilly drift]

this is Tgc, A warm game？

[queen ridge]

If I had to pay for it, I would prefer it to be a separate hairstyle, because the cape is simply not worth it

[stiff hearth]

I do not like cats

[brittle raft]

I think its important to understand that not everyone has the same priorities when playing this game. Some players care about cosmetics and some don't.

Obviously, don't go around harrassing people in this chat, but it's important to not undermine the feelings of those who do care about the cosmetics and, honestly, the significance this situation has for the game and the way TGC treats players in general.

Also jesus CHRIST 10 minute cooldown???

[crystal niche]

Add to the fact that minimum wage in PH is around 1$/hr depending on city. So 20$ is 20 hrs of work for some people. Wew

[tight bloom]

And then went ahead and said it's "misscommunication" and it'a "actually planned" 💀

[naive atlas]

meanwhile f2p options :
curly witch hair : 66 🕯
cape : 99 🕯
table : 33 hearts

LITERALLY WHERE IS THE BALANCE BETWEEN IAP AND IGC FOR THIS EVENT LMAOOOO

[spark lance]

The problem there is that if the IAPS were a one time thing (not returning next year) people would be mad too, but there's people mad about the IAP stacking that's been occurring too, there's no way to please everyone sadly

[undone hatch]

No more cat hair? Bruh I'm gonna cry 😭

[naive arrow]

Instead of spending time making the mask worse and making the hair paid, they would rather deal with the problems in the game, rather than doing useless things that spoil everything. Really, why was it necessary to change something? Lol, it doesn't even make sense, just to get money. They even managed to make the mask wrong, it doesn't look like a cat, it's just an evil face. It's like a mask with a dark flower, but without a flower and with red eyes. It's. Not. A cat. The hairstyle was perfect and they apparently decided that it was even too perfect for "ordinary mortals". No, you're what, how can you miss the chance to get even more money. Let's make all the events paid so that players don't relax and spend all the money on marshmallows, which cost like 20 packs of real ones.

[thin sedge]

Hello! still angry?

[ionic bluff]

milk chocolate drizzled in dark

[hybrid wedge]

Ktjn took the time to explain, to a very upset channel, what happened, and that it was not a nefarious scheme. It doesn’t help us when we make accusations or immediately assume bad intent to decisions we dislike

[wanton plover]

Bruh this cool down. BYE 💀✌️

[cosmic orchid]

we were all united up until an elitist showed up and said that we don't have the right to complain about iaps if we're poor

[earnest island]

Kids be nice. I don’t want to sit you in time out

[royal vapor]

I don't care about price or IAP, but will the game operation and publicity apologize to us for being deceived and fooling?Like that lantern seems can light a candle and many things? Or did i missed something?

Nice cooldown, Im already get enough hurt, you cant hurt me anymore bcs im gone now

[untold folio]

TGC I‘m really disappointed in you. Is this really a warm and healing game? Xiao Chen?

[elder kindle]

Anyway, people who know what they deserve and are not conformists, good night and don't forget to leave them bad reviews on the play store, so maybe they will listen to us.
🌷😴

[plush pier]

They could’ve chosen some other item from the collab season, this is the closest we’ve gotten to skykid singing and its locked behind a paywall. It sucks man, and its really clear they’ve been doing a lot of this on purpose to squeeze money out of everyone, I wouldn’t call this any different.

[warped geode]

Cookies for everyone Sky kids !! 🍪🍪🍪

Also @distant nacelle it is not a whole new opinion, I meant what I wrote because everyone was posting on the Screenshot channel and I am with the same opinion as everyone here. Also please delete my message here because I didn’t ask for it to be put here. Thanks

[river socket]

"This isnt twitter"

Based Alexdolly

[winged anvil]

And this is only in USD LOL it’s way more expensive in other countries oh great heavens

[smoky sleet]

will u guys be mad if i say i like white chocolate

[spark lance]

help it's $465 in my country it's really expensive

[gray moat]

for those saying it isnt a lot, google "currency exchange" and just click through the exchange differences

edit: look one up online essentially lol

[indigo lichen]

Haha, cooodown go brrr~~

[brittle finch]

A relaxing game with good players turned into a world war

[real kiln]

It started going downhill when they made the Christmas table 150 candles LOL

[unreal owl]

woahh i just saw the water in gw and its so??!!:?!!!?

but it is kinda bright

[zinc marten]

||pls fruit||

[graceful widget]

The problem of items being too expensive has been around for a long time and has to change

[hybrid wedge]

@cosmic orchid if that’s the case, please report the link to that message in #contact-the-mods. Otherwise, please leave the personal arguments and insults aside

[crude shore]

welp, i wrote a few points why some people do care about pixels on screen, but for some reson it got censored (maybe typo, i make alot fo them) and i am wrighting on phone and my thumbs are really tiered so here is a quick recap

•people like to mimicking other's avatars, it creates a close bond

•it's nice to have your aesthetic

•Finding people with similar taste based on their outfit (call back to heaving a unique aesthetic)

•giving comlements on pretty cosmetics (without it being a lie) agan call back to the last 2 points

•being juged/being rejected or left out for not heaving certain cosmetics (moths sometimes for example)

•you can't convince all players to suddently stop judging and buying cosmetics

[near moth]

i remember so many people lashing out during the season of assembly about the cosmetics and they listened to that but i feel like it helped more having live players help with that
what if the same could start happening now to see if it pushes them to at least do something (seeing as they’ve been ignoring our complaints yk?)

[spark lance]

Bro help it's Gon be R$419 here💀. NVM ITS GON BE R$531 💀💀💀

[spark lance]

What do you mean? I'm genuinely confused because Ktjn said the change was planned over a week ago but yesterday in the patch notes it was said the hair was planned to be in game currency. Meaning not changing.
I'm confused

[spark lance]

Plus, if an item that everyone really wants is put into a pack it’s going to cost A LOT OF MONEY because it’s so heavily desired. I don’t want to spend a lot of money on a Season Pass for Season of Aurora AND multiple expensive IAPs at the same time: my bank account can’t afford it, plus I’m saving up to help my family with some important stuff, hence why I got a job. I can’t afford to waste excessive amounts of money on a video game when it could have been used in better places

[tulip lake]

i like some sort of strawberry chocolate, or something like that

[spark lance]

Ngl I had to buy some of the iap items just to have people like me
I’m running away

[orchid nexus]

I know people feel that player feedback isn't as effective as they want. I can say from experience, I see changes that happen because of player feedback. I'm a fan of the game and the company, but I don't agree with all their decisions. What I do know is that the comms team works very hard to make sure player feedback is heard.

[bright portal]

Ah , when Christmas table is the only closest thing to a bonfire even tho it takes 50 years to charge a single flap

[spark lance]

Devuelvan el cabello de gato y no lo hagan iap 🤙

[kindred prawn]

the paywall is how much?

[spark lance]

remember owl hair from thoughful director became a ug

[sly echo]

Can i ask how much is the cat bundle ?

[untold oxide]

no one knows bc they dont reveal prices in beta anymore-

[autumn elk]

sagomay said the hair being planned for igc and ktjin said that choice had been changed over a week ago.

The internal miscommunications are becoming-more frequent and it’s making the playerbase have less trust in what devs say.

I know in beta everything can change but we would like to know WHY

[maiden pond]

Beta prices are not shown.

[cedar yew]

TGC: trick or treat, sorry we want both, now give us money haha you got pranked

This is scarier than most horror film ty TGC 😭😭😭

[spark lance]

how the fight was everyone xD

[upper elbow]

Is the cat hair finally igp??

Yoooo 9 minutes cool down??😭😭😭

[sick yew]

they could at least have put whiskers on the new mask? little eye slits? something to say...idk...cat, maybe?

[neon lotus]

Damn! Every company sucks now! I should trust no one besides my brother…

[magic jetty]

UR PFP LMAAOAOAOFOOWRO

[hybrid wedge]

I get the confusion. Sagomay has made mistakes before, or beta info changes fast. Those are much more likely explanations, imo

[rapid reef]

TGC's predatory marketing need to be slowed down. It's ridiculous and defending them is only going to give them more freedom to do as they please while disregarding the community.

TGC has grown more and more predatory toward it's paying player-base by creating a fear of missing out early game. The game has become heavily cosmetics centered and it show because instead of working toward fixes, small events that don't have cosmetics, everything has cosmetics.

It's not just about pixels, it's about the disrespect TGC has been showing their player base. Back in sanctuary, it was still fine but I have only seen TGC get greedier and greedier. They don't even allow their player a break.

[vivid laurel]

Did tgc just downgrade the cat mask bc they're igc?

[split umbra]

I am sure they do work very hard to make sure our feedback is heard... but sometimes it just doesn't feel like it and it can get so frustrating

[fluid cobalt]

|| I really should touch some grass fr||

[frosty holly]

did yall calm down yet

[cerulean fox]

What is predatory marketing?

[orchid nexus]

the simple explanation is usually the right one: software dev is a complicated endeavor, and it's easy for two people to be out of sync, for messages to cross in the night, or for public communication to have mistakes. all of those things and more, because they are human people who are fallible

[green jackal]

Going to touch grass, calm down, and pin point tgc agn

[barren moss]

please do not ever buy any iaps just so you think people will like you, you should buy those for YOURSELF and if you can afford it. genuine friends will never undermine your attire B). wear what makes you comfy!!

[old carbon]

Not it being worth 5,000 in the Philippines 😍 ugh don’t you just love it

[agile hazel]

Making mistakes is fine, we can't expect perfection. But miscommunication has been an issue way too many times now, there needs to be a standard set

[dire egret]

they tricked us because it’s a halloween event! 🎃

in all seriousness this almost 10 minute slow mode is going to kill me

[spark lance]

The cat mask doesn't even look much like a cat but more of a bat smh

At least add cat details like whiskers or little fangs bruh

[knotty shale]

Quantity over quality. Economy over satisfaction.

[rough falcon]

I'm just saying but a pack that gives you like 30 candles and 1 or 2 cosmetics should not cost more than a season pass

[shy knoll]

no hate to you at all! but i don’t feel like they hear our feedback until a lot of it is sent because of a decision they made, after everyone loved the cat ears they switched it to iap if they listened to us i don’t think they would’ve changed it? just my opinion tho lol

[ancient imp]

pain.

[faint steppe]

And to me with the very big hill TGC is rolling down , the community is slowly dying and sky is a game with so much potential, tgc has done this way to often, and I’m so glad you guys are voicing your opinions,(atp as soon as the fanbase likes a igc it turns into a iap) which can make so many people who don’t have the funds to spend money on a game like this, and with different prices around the world it makes things worse , I feel like the cat hair should either go back to igc, or become an iap but seperated from the cape and should be around 5-10$ ,,,but yk how tgc is
(Also this honking cool down made this reply take way to long)

[full dagger]

Best to make it 1.1★ ｡◕‿◕｡

[violet coral]

I still thinking the total value of the next IAPs is crazy, cuz is a game, we are really paying for "nothing"... Not even something exclusive cuz it comes every year. In every country the price is different and the economy in some countries is not the best for paying 20$ for something you can't even touch. I hate when they sell an item and instead of selling it for example.. 10$ they add candles and tadaaaa now is 20$,fr i want the items NOT more candles, cuz it looks like "oh look we get this item and candles for free" no my dear you are paying for everything. Is a situation thar happened to me, wanted the item but didnt want to pay for the candles, so i just skipped the item.

[spice zodiac]

the literal reason it's gotten this bad is because we enabled them
"are we getting expensive?"
"i love you so much so i'm gonna say it's ok because i will buy it anyway" next thing you know they're dropping the 50$ triangle instrument and you wonder how we got here

[agile patrol]

the problem was trusting any company from the first place

[burnt mist]

A lot of companies seem to like to capitalize on Halloween. I just celebrate it for the free candy haha wealthy neighborhoods give king size candy bars 🤤

[hybrid wedge]

Meanwhile the 4 minute slow mode was killing the mods trying to do their job on the channel

[tardy hazel]

IAP item should be 15$ at most

[final spire]

Give us all 1000 candles to our accounts and we will forget this immediately 😎 Why not? Then add another 1000 AC candles

[distant nacelle]

Did you even read what i said? i didnt say your opinion was bad, and you put it on discord for people to see?

[lime plover]

104$… thats over 2.5 million VND in vietnam…. please spare my wallet and soul (this cooldown)

[violet bane]

Oml 7 minutes? Anyways TGC is probably like “yall poor players can leave if y’all want” For people saying it’s not like that then why did they coincidentally change the cat hair currency when they noticed that it was getting popular by players? 20 dollars for us is basically a thousand (₱1,000) and you can literally get an entire groceries for that-

[echo mason]

In my country.....it will be Php 5,827.90 🤗❤️❤️❤️💕💕💕

So lovely! 🧚‍♂️❤️🧚‍♂️😍🐬

Time to waste my cooldown 🦕🦕🦕🐬🐬🐬🐬💙💙💙💙💜💜😃😃😃😝😝😝😺😺😊😊🤍💅🧑‍🦲

[cloud merlin]

the best way to track the monetisation of sky is to total up the cost of all iaps in a yearly cycle, including season passes. (since some seasons vary in length) i don't take responsibility for any disappointment experienced! 🙂

eta: sorry, no idea why i replied to that message

[spark lance]

Ye we having macro transactions instead of micro

[hybrid wedge]

@sour knot please drop the personal arguments

[barren falcon]

TGC, will you please listen to us?? as a player who tries their best to show support to the game, and has been for the past 3 years, this is getting out of hand. seriously, how many more cosmetics are you planning to make into IAPS? i can only afford so many cosmetics (and it stresses me out because i’m a cosmetic hoarder) i would love to at least have some really cool cosmetics to have the motivation to work my butt off for.. it gets boring playing sky when you don’t have anything to spend you candles/hearts on and it’s just a game that you gotta constantly buy things from

[gritty void]

imagine you were in last years Halloween event and your an f2p all you get todays year is just a not looking cat mask💀

[frank mirage]

Even the weasel mask looks more like a cat at this point, I've been hoping for cat themed cosmetics for a long time now, probably ever since I started playing. When I first saw videos of the beta I was like "Woah cat themed items? I'm gonna go download Sky again to prepare for this!" And then the next day we have this going on. Please TGC, listen to the older parts of the community.

Had to wait like over 9 minutes to say this

[gilded parrot]

📱iOS/Android: Learn about the sign-up process and how to get notified when invites happen in #beta-faq!
Switch: The Switch Beta testing period has ended with Live launch. All future content testing will be conducted on Mobile only.

[lusty iron]

testing cooldown
10 minutes??

[orchid nexus]

Imagine you're doing your job faithfully, working long hours to get things right, and then 1000 people individually let you know when something goes wrong.

[atomic yoke]

tgc makes an annual 24 million usd per year (about 2m a month), where is that going into the game other than collabs ppl didnt ask for and bugs that still havent been fixed. you guys are getting more greedy and people are finally having enough. i know in the u.s. people are scavenging for money and this doesnt help. sky is a relaxing game for others and its not fair to see people with cooler iaps because they can afford it.
it doesnt help theres only ONE igc this year for halloween, something a lot of ppl have been looking forward to. you guys arent doing anything to improve the game mechanics and add anything new for the vets of the game.

[hollow crest]

This place is on fire this is fine..

[merry vault]

I had a friend who knew her for a year and a half. She said that she wanted to collect as many iaps as possible.

Two months ago she quit the game because she was spending too much and ended up abandoning her accounts. I Belive that she feel the same as I'm starting to feel right now, that the "friendship" is only the fish hook to this type of games

[willow sapphire]

What makes me upset the most is they swapped the Cat Hair and they downgraded the mask! Why can’t we have the same mask!? It’s like they are being like “Lol you think you can get the hair? And you want the mask too!? HA! Okay you can get the mask but uglier version”

[delicate willow]

I smell the eventual death of the game if the exploitation of the players continues. But thats just a theory, a game theory

[spark lance]

The whole chat's vibe gives me nostalgic feeling about when the season of TLP was being tested on BETA lmao

[fervent jacinth]

I found some map shrine isn't show us current location like Office, Wasteland social area. Dunno is it bug or not

[north locust]

It’s the hairless cat mask ig

[chilly drift]

Warm？no,it’s money，I will never buy any gift ,and i will advise my friend

[brittle raft]

this should kind of be expected though, TGC has a beta for a reason we are meant to be here to say when we think this company is making a mistake that's gonna harm the playerbase.

obviously vulgarity and harrassment isn't okay, but a lot of us are genuinely concerned

[naive arrow]

We'll make them hear ours! We are not an empty sound, we are players, and without players, the game cannot live long. We have to defend our opinion and fight for our comfort in the game, which is created for a nice, kind and comfortable pastime! We are not an empty sound, our feedback, our messages, our solidarity and support for each other. The game teaches us to be together, to help each other. And now we are helping each other by organizing a revolution! We are not the ones who deserve such an attitude from the company. We are the ones who deserve joy and victory.

[vagrant abyss]

To the people who say they're okay with them selling the kitty hair product, please don't speak from your privilege, not all of us can buy items from the store.

[lyric crag]

what if we already got them from last year bro what will they offer us? a downgraded mask? 💀

[lusty coral]

When there was a very good-looking cat hair hairstyle, I reacted for a time to say how tc could be so conscience, actually in the free IP a package out of such a good-looking thing. It was really a conscience, and then he changed it to a price. I don't know what the 19 year test was like, but I heard they were the old Pumpkin Heads, also free. It seems to be exchanged for candles, but then he becomes a bundle with the bat cloak. Even if the cat hair hairstyle becomes a bundle of gift packages, I hope it can be purchased separately.

[orchid nexus]

beta chat: it will always keep the fire warm for you!

[strange kindle]

They market it as friendship, but the goal of cosmetics is what keeps most people playing. Many will stay for friends, absolutely, but TGC purposefully leans into the cosmetics side of it

[spark lance]

that's called criticism?

[oak hornet]

Is beta still on fire ok yeah it is 😭

[plain sky]

(I’ve mentioned this in feedback already)

This is offtopic but honestly if sky had you know, more of a story that can be found in the game and not online (flight guide being Prairie elders apprentice only mentioned in their info card and not ingame with their only link being the front pattern of their clothes and even that it’s easy to miss and would be hard to connect to “apprentice” cough) then I feel like players wouldn’t have to focus so much on cosmetics.

Yet again I love a good story and theorizing too, but that’s just me and everyone likes a game for differnt reasons. But In the past I’ve seen this as an issue with the way tgc the story of sky, for a casual player it’s just a “oh cool” but for players who play for the story it’s like torture when you get a sliver of lore every other season.

Ik environmental storytelling is sky’s style, but sometimes the environmental aspect feels like a sprout than an environment. If that makes sence.

That’s all , I am disappointed abt cat hair tho, but that point had been made already.

[copper salmon]

So I bought the cat cosmetic pack before they made the change that the hair would be iap. So I still have the cape and now changed mask but there’s no way I can get the hair.. I didn’t get it before because I didn’t have 66 candles but now I can’t find it anywhere.. is there a way I can get the cat hair

[azure zinc]

I hope they changed the hair to igp this will be my first days of mischief and I was hoping to save whatever money I have for the next season pass

[plain helm]

i wake up see a beta update mad chaos anarchy happens again and i watch in the back like i aint no big voice in the thousands of fishes in the ocean

[tulip flame]

SO THE CAT HAIR IS NOW IAP????

[pure sleet]

Friends are temporary, some of them quit and never return
But cosmetics are eternal

[royal vapor]

Tbh im happy about the chaos bcs TGC made me quit and they broke the trust between us succesfully now
The iap is never a problem , how many of sky kids gonna still choose to trust? Not me tho, I've been hurted too many times, i wont give my heart ever again, Im fine now

[river socket]

Im pretty certain slowmode is to not make the chat flood since too many users typing at the same time and not TGC's evil masterplan on expulsing "poor" users...

[brittle finch]

Ikr
Like why? F2P players don't deserve to enjoy good things?
Downgraded the design bczu It's igc?
That's lame
(THAT COOLDOWN THO...)

[novel aspen]

Honestly it's a bit insulting to DOWNGRADE the mask for no reason. Like,,, why? Surely the devs knew they would receive backlash after this decision? I really don't get it. Let the F2P players at least have a cool mask, especially after you rip away possibly one of the most hyped cosmetics this year

[fiery shore]

I agree completely that people should be respected and appreciated for their hard work but feedback exists too. In order to make a better user experience, feedback needs to be given in large amounts

[spark lance]

It is criticism, but it stops being criticism when u forget that people who work on the company are humans that can make mistakes too, and I see a lot of people forgetting that rn

[tawdry pebble]

I think we would expect the same reaction if this problem keep occurring in next year collab XD
Or even sooner-

[swift yarrow]

🙏 tgc brings back cat hair to in game currency challenge

[orchid nexus]

I'm not at all suggesting people can't voice criticism. I'm asking that we try not to make it personal. There have been many comments that cross the line into personal attacks, and that doesn't promote healthy discourse

[spark lance]

never trust any good company , because every good company will do worst decision in the end 🙃

[modern topaz]

honestly im not too mad about the cat hair thing but im mad that tgc downgraded the cat mask and put it as igc, like it would’ve been ok if the cat mask wasn’t changed in appearance, but downgrading the mask while making it igc was a real L move

[plush pier]

The fact that they thought “hmm this mask is just too good for The Poor Players, lets trash a design that looked good and that people on our team worked on for this comparitively underwhelming mask so that people Buy Our Overpriced Items” and people are STILL defending them is disgusting to me.

[cursive topaz]

finally have my cool back and again would like to bring back that its really getting hard to be a free to play player, 4 IGC Vs 9 IAP.. truly feeling loved as a relatively free to play live player who planned on getting lazy day items and the mischief cat backpack but truthfully i don’t even wanna buy anything outside of the AP anymore, that plus they made the mask lower quality after making the change, hmm lots of love<33

[crude shore]

HUM HUM

and i forgot to mention

•pretty and unique pixels are being put behind a very expensive pay wall

Har har har, anyway bye gen chat imma go sneep snorp

omg i said gen chat lmao, bye beta events testing chat XD

[hybrid wedge]

It’s fine to be concerned. The issue is that when we’re in a test environment with a fast turnaround time where everything is up in the air, even the best communication will be WIP and up in the air. That’s just part of beta and always has been since the ancient days of beta testing (ask me how I know 🦕)

[winged gust]

Beta chat popping off so much my whole PC's lagging- that's how much drama's goin on rn. 🤧
I feel bad for y'all, mods. You guys aren't the once's who should be facing the full force or blunt force of anything here. Miscommunication or not, the og price for the mask was right before our eyes, in Beta, just yesterday.
Thank you, Nagati and Alex. Y'all two take care.
I don't know about the rest of y'all, but imma pop off and take a breather.
Everyone make sure to grab a snack soon. All this typing must've made y'all hongry

[autumn elk]

Even if it was a mistake im sure we would all appreciate the devs giving us a reason for the change whether or not it was intended to alway be iap or not we had it as IGC and were told in the original update it was planned for igc.

we just want to understand why these decisions are made so we can for more educated opinions instead of thinking “greedy company”

TGC Giving clearer communications with choices made wont stop people being disappointed but it would make less people jump to conclusions.

Giving players an actual reason for this change would help tgc more than keeping quiet and letting people assume the worst and as a result can provide better feedback

[spark lance]

This year days of mischief we're are the ones dressing up as clowns!

[spark lance]

I hope you see why people are upset because it looks very weird to us. Yesterday before they knew the hair would be popular it was planned for in game currency but now as soon as people get upset over the change they say it was "actually decided over a week ago". (Why didn't they tells us a week ago then? If it was decided before?) Because the answer to that before TODAY was 'Things change in beta' but now they said themselves that they knew from the beginning. Why not start with it being an IAP. Why not let us know before, if you knew. Why.. say that the hair is planned to be in game currency a day before. I hope I'm making sense, I'm confused because I know TGC are not some villains laughing evily now at us 😭😭

I would like to say I have NOTHING against tgc n LOVE the game, this is why I'm so passionate and being so annoying 😭 ! I hope everyone understands I'm not attacking anyone

[livid ridge]

I just want the hair and cat mask stay the same as it used to be 😭

[spark lance]

As for the mask, if they add like red or yellow cat shining eyes, and give special effects i will consider it 🗿🗿👍 I hope they add new cool items. I know they're working hard but plz spare f2p player

[elfin delta]

Handing out hot chocolate to everyone ||that is made from the heat of this chat|| feel free to grab some ☕

[glossy mica]

The cat hair is iap?????? WHAT NO HOW WHY NO I WANT TO SWEAR

[spark lance]

**Honestly, they went a bit overboard by changing some details of the cosmetics, the community was convinced and satisfied with what was coming, but they had to change everything at the last minute, and this is the result. Also about the prices of cosmetics, that's already going overboard.

#CatHairWithoutIAP

#LowerThePriceOfCosmetics** 💪😔🤙

[gusty zenith]

TGC turning the cat hair into IAP for an event called Days of Mischief funnily checks out

[queen ridge]

yee

[upper elbow]

What if this cat hair iap was all a prank and TGC is testing our mental health

[carmine crown]

[junior perch]

Wasting a reply but thanks 👍hope u have a good day/night brosky

[tidal bramble]

perhaps they think we are all children, and can't think critically enough to see that their statements don't make sense. Who knows? I thinks its time they start respecting our voices, and try to be kind rather than money hungry. ALSO: 11 minutes cooldown?????????

[near moth]

beta players: tgc, what is this? 🤨
tgc: happy late april fools day lol

[cosmic orchid]

they'll never do that because the "Everything in beta is subject to change" card applies and it invalidates our complaints as always
it's frustrating but we can't do anything given that they seemingly ignore our feedback already
just look at why IAP prices are hidden

[heady prawn]

Tgc gave us the wrong expectation. I hope you don't make the cat's ear hairstyle into a bundle package for online formal clothes.

[stark lake]

wow imagine feeling so righteous as to disable reactions

[knotty shale]

I don't mind IAPs. All companies need a way to make money, and nobody is denying the right for tgc to monetize a portion of their products.

However, there is an issue with a great inflation of prices. Ever since the double flower charity pack that cost... 30 dollars, I believe? Back when the new Days of Rainbows was still in beta, I have been saying that some of the products tgc offer are not even worth the price, whether you include the candles in it. I don't know. I don't want to come out as belittling the company, but it really feels like a case of quantity over quality...

I'll admit it. I'm not a millionaire. I cannot afford everything in the world, much less videogame money. J have things to pay in real life too. But I'd like to support tgc too! But some of the things are just... Too, too mighty expensive. Too much. I, and many more are not able to afford so much. And having such a large quantity of IAPs by IGCs just feels like they're obligating me to pay to be in line with the latest Balenciaga Catwalk Fashion: Sky Edition. Which, I wouldn't mind, if everything wasn't so gosh darn expensive.

These are my two cents. Back to playing the other funny game.

[crude vortex]

I like crabs

[neon lotus]

Why can’t every company be like BlueTwelve Studio, Annapurna Interactive, and eduweb (the companies who made Stray and WolfQuest: Anniversary Edition respectively)?! They actually care about their games! They pour their hearts and souls into them, not to mention, trying to listen to as much player feedback as possible! If y’all want to quit Sky, play Stray and WolfQuest: Anniversary Edition! They absolutely deserve more attention! Not only are both games beautiful, but both developers care very deeply about their games! All companies should be like them, caring towards their games and players.

[frosty holly]

IF THIS WAS TRUE I WOULD BE ABSOLUTELY MAD

also when was the cooldown longer

[cobalt wind]

Did TGC really make such a decision a week ago?

[rapid reef]

Oh, that's very sad. The reactions are now turned off? It feel like we're slowly being silenced. 12*(Wow.)minutes cool down, no more reactions.. I'm sorry, skycord, but this really feel like I'm being shut down. Intentional or not.

[faint steppe]

Y’all notice the fact we can’t react to msgs anymore 💀(was ganna say this, tgc listen to your fan base for ONCE)

[flint granite]

What would be worse is a strike forming because the player base is not being heard and the season of Aurora being a huge flop so tgc should def take things into consideration

[north dagger]

Angry, why pay instead?

[full dagger]

Thiss,, I was thinking about buying the AP in season of Aurora then TGC did this... I was just speechless and scared If I should trust them to buy the AP.... Idk if I should support this type of developers,, though I hope they prove us wrong this time and show us that they're actually considerate... Just a little hope is okay

[magic jetty]

this is all just a little prank

[feral marlin]

oh wow, turn of the reactions and add 11mins 11 second cool down, im out im so tired

[violet coral]

We need to be together so our voices will be a louder one and they will have to hear us. ( I realized we cant reaction to any message now 🤡)

[agile patrol]

120 💀 45 😭 7 1 🦀

[rich rampart]

oof REACTIONS DISABLED

[hybrid wedge]

We disabled them because some folks were using them to be rude and insulting to others

[haughty forge]

woah long minute cool down and turned off reactions☠️can they really not take any criticism?

[tardy hazel]

I can't even mad about iap cus even the price is low, the fact is that I still can't buy as I have no money income and F2P player
But I really wish they lower the price as I said. And I want to play in beta so badly pls invite I'm waiting for that😭

[dawn oxide]

Wow the riot still going on, at this rate if u guys also complaining about the cat bundle being iap then they might also make it free lol

[spice zodiac]

aint no way y'all disabled reactions, me when i can't take being ratioed come on this is just rude now

[burnt mist]

This is what happens in Love Nikki community. They boycott the game till they make changes haha. I dunno if Sky community would do that but it'd be interesting to see

[tight charm]

While your feedback is valid, I don’t think “quitting” over something that is currently in a testing phase is an order. However, it is appreciated that you submit feedback in the #beta-feedback channel. Remember to be constructive and not hurtful.

[signal folio]

I've seen feedback work too, but we shouldn't have to deal with them trying to see what they can get away with first.

[orchid nexus]

reactions were being used to be rude. it has nothing to do with silencing feedback. the feedback channel is still open

[shy knoll]

shouldn’t you have warned those ppl instead of taking everything away as a whole? with this huge of a cd it seems like you’re rlly just trying to silence us, i’ve seen most ppl just agreeing with arrow reactions

[fluid quail]

I understood every word u said, and now I'm definitely getting the point of subject to change, a mod clarified that beta patch isn't the place to announce decisions made by tgc it's just stating what's in the patch. yet i still believe this patch should've told us about these changes ahead cuz it ain't a color or a shade it's literally a big change that THEY know ppl will get upset and confused about.

[hybrid wedge]

These are pretty normal interventions when a channel is moving fast or reactions are being used to insult others

[north stream]

Bro shattering was already big enough of a flop imo, if aurora flops to i quit 🤡 anyways the cat hair being IAP makes me mad because one of my F2P friends really wanted it and now they CANT GET IT. and nobody else who doesn't want to spend a lot of money can either??! Not a big fan of the cat cape and mask in general they look weird to me

[violet bane]

||Privilege is literally what’s keeping tgc up because it’s your own problem if you can’t it :”D it’s not their problem if you’re poor, and ||the mask they replaced is.. kinda ugly- basically just deserves a 32 candles or20

[chilly zenith]

bro we can’t react to messages anymore because people aren’t listening when the words “voice your opinions respectfully” are being said, not because the mods are trying to silence you.
you’re allowed to be mad about tgc’s decision, but be respectful man.

[echo mason]

Great no more reactions 🙄

Bring back the cat hair as a IGC so we can stop complaining 😔🧑‍🦲🧑‍🦲🧑‍🦲🧚‍♂️

Wasting my cooldown again 🦕🦕🐬🦕🦕🐬🦕🐬🦕🐬🦕🐬🦕🐬💙💙💙🤗😊😊

[lime plover]

Agreed, ima head off to touch some grass now, heres some 🍪and goodluck with your work dears

[drifting eagle]

are you guys volunteer mods?

i can understand being upset with tgc as a company for the decisions they’re making, i’m upset with it too, but we shouldn’t take it out on the mods who are part of our community and offered their time to moderate a huge server like this. it’s ok to voice our opinions on changes as that’s what beta is for but just remember that the mods here are people too who probably aren’t always happy with tgc either

[muted frost]

Ewww no more reactions ☹️

[hybrid wedge]

Yes

[willow sapphire]

5-7 minutes cooldown is better, 11 minutes is too long imo (especially when we can’t use emotes to show our thoughts and feelings)

[glad stump]

right? and how are they gonna say don't bring personal problems into this when they are talking about affording something that's 30 dollars they're acting like they are on top of the world

[fluid socket]

this went from being upset about cat hair an mask to ppl being mean

[lusty coral]

I just hope after he puts the cat hair together Can be opened for sale at the back, in last year's Halloween, the cheapest hairstyle is? Can't it be cheaper for a six-dollar haircut? Does every child have $ 20?

[orchid nexus]

yes, and we try not to get emotionally involved, but we want people to be peaceful and fair with each other, so when things are beyond our control, we have to use tools like disabling reactions even though the majority of people were not abusing them

[spark lance]

oh yes, chaos

[cinder chasm]

Instead of being sympathetic to the disappointment ktjn’s comments just made it worse for me. I wasn’t really annoyed about the changes until I read the “shouting from the rooftops” for people to understand that things change in beta when everyone understands that perfectly well and were upset about the misleading patch note/labeling. Just say it’s going to be switched in a future update in the patch note, like with the other items being changed from placeholders or say it was a miscommunication. A lot of people were really excited about this season and the mischief event especially after shattering and it’s sad to see this happen.

[royal vapor]

Yea thats why i suggest they hide if an item is iap nextDoesn't this look like what's going to happen next? just let things go ahead, i wanna see the hell
Players think the mask is not good enough? Then we make the mask go back, then annoying poor f2p won't be angry with us anymore over hairstyles
best result I can see

[brittle finch]

Disabling reactions can't help solve this controversial!
YOUT NEED TO DO SOMETHING FOR US TGC
Don't act like you saw nothing

[eager jay]

Wait didnt know we can actually CANT REACT

[plain helm]

yo fun fact for any sane human beings there:

communication is key

and for a personal opinion i hate shady buisness

that and also having less expectations than a death grips album is absolutely disorienting (and not in a positive way for this sky madness)

ok bye imma start my day and shall stop expecting anything good from tgc now as of speaking 26th of august 2022 lmao

[plush pier]

The channel might not be fully shutdown but it sure feels like it has been with a crazy cooldown and no reaction perms. Like a snails pace in here now, the testing discussion channel isnt effective without the disscussion part, you cant have a discussion in here anymore.

[vagrant abyss]

It is better that they keep what they will give for free, in this way discussions are not generated that in the end will lead to a global disagreement. It is unfair that they change the way to get the items that were scheduled as free

[orchid nexus]

personal situations are probably pretty good feedback, and should definitely go to #beta-feedback - in this channel, mods may ask you not to over-share, if you share anything too personal though

[hybrid wedge]

Mods disabled reactions so that we could moderate the channels. If you want to share your feedback with TGC, access to #beta-feedback is the same as it’s always been

[north locust]

guys remember to take breaks,, it’s getting super heated in here 😭 you can always close discord for a bit and go eat a snack, take a nap, or get a drink

[lyric crag]

I don't really care about the cat hair but the treatment the f2ps got was kinda like being handed out garbage while the people who can afford it was being handed out goodies

[spark lance]

SKY: FORCE CHILDREN TO PAY OF THE LIGHT
SKY: CHILDREN MONEY SUCKER OF THE LIGHT
SKY: GIVE US YOUR MONEY OF THE LIGHT
SKY: MONEY OF THE LIGHT
THATMONEYCOMPANY
THATEACOMPANY
THATNOTF2PCOMPANY
🃏

[cedar yew]

Noooo reaction my favourite thing about this server noooooooooooooo

Tho I have to say, TGC is so good at ruining things lol
And they know, that's why beta is becoming less and less transparent and results in horrible decisions
Did TGC forget why we have beta? To have feedback and improve the game. So stop rejecting our feedbacks.

↓@flat willow Sorry that was me the finger emotes looks similar

[flat willow]

i mean ive seen ppl react with middle finger emoji b4 so hhhh yeah ppl are worked up rn so its better off until stuff steams down 🧍

[spark lance]

We would not have this problem if the hair was already an IAP the problem is the hope and expectations players grew into having a cute new hairstyle. Every new events there's iap is normal we are used. But players pay a lot of attention to the igc ones.

[frank mirage]

Well yes some might have funds to afford every single thing in Sky that requires payment, but does everyone have enough funds to do that? Most of the community are students working hard, and they play Sky to cool off for a few moments. And this is what TGC does? Some students can't even afford basic needs.

[humble plinth]

im not mad about any item becoming an IAP, im just disappointed that in order to make something to be purchasable with candles they had to ruin it and make it look, in my opinion, awful

[autumn path]

Agreed. Without reactions, with a slow down on the actual messaging, it's hard to actually have a conversation with those in the channel and the mods themselves. As an adult, the moderation of the reactions don't matter that much to me because it can be something that's easily ignorable - the discussion is something that's much more worth investing time in

[delicate willow]

Anyways im still tired of the money hungry nature of TGC people bringing up little price is great too cause its another example of the company being a money hog. TGC is going to kill their cash cow if they keep doing this||Now yall know damn well that “being mean” wasnt the only reason you removed reactions and made slow mode even higher lmao i sont care what you say about people being rude, it’s obviously not just that|| besides the blatant extortion of their consumers they also are pretty bad at listening to their community when they overprice IGC items or make a change thats received bad

[spark lance]

Beta's chat never disappoints me in keeping me warm during the rainy cold temperature

[white sparrow]

My god I keep pressing chats to go to react with the yes emoji but it’s gone lol🤣

[orchid nexus]

disabling reactions is not meant to stop feedback or defeat controversy. only to simplify the work of moderators, since the angles for abuse are narrowed

[graceful widget]

Will TGC hear us?

[chilly drift]

Why can't you part cat hair? I don't want a cat cape. A lot of gift packs are tied candles, and I don't want to spend money on candles. Tgc only wants to make money, no respect, no warmth, it can't let players choose which items to buy, it only allows players to buy bundled items.

[spark lance]

if you ask me...? the backlash would not have been this bad if it was any other mischief item that got moved to iap. i feel like personal opinions are contributing much more to this conversation then most people want to admit. the criticisms are valid but personal attachment is a large contributing factor and its starting to feel like peopole are brining up the age old "iap prices are unfair" argument to justify their own personal liking towards the cat hair and to clarify i am NOT saying that it is EVERY single player in this chat, or that the criticism itself isnt valid, OR that some players are genuinely unable to affor them. not what im saying in the slightest (and if you say otherwise im gonna very politely ask you to reread my comment)

im disappointed too, and we would have had this conversation regardless, but... yeah. i know the backlash would not have been this large if it wasnt the cat hair that started it all and i will get krilled on that hill i just hope everyone bringing up the unfair prices is genuinely concerned about player exclusion and not just using it to justify their annoyance that an item they liked got moved to IAP in testing... bc it would not be the first time i've seen players bring up genuine concerns to sugarcoat their own opinions. im starting to think people are overreacting just a tad bit too much over.. a shift in iap. that was probably already being considered since it was made in less than 24 hours. and happens literally every single update. at some point as players we need to do OUR part and take a step back to think clearly, while we wait for TGC to release further updates

[keen stirrup]

“What on earth, is going on, in the house of commons??”

[spark lance]

**Honestly, they went a bit overboard by changing some details of the cosmetics, the community was convinced and satisfied with what was coming, but they had to change everything at the last minute, and this is the result. Also about the prices of cosmetics, that's already going overboard.

#CatHairWithoutIAP

#LowerThePriceOfCosmetics** 💪😔🤙

[autumn elk]

I personally have no issue with the new mask and actually prefer it to the old model since the new one feels more masculine it suits my sense of style much more than the original.

I know plenty of people liked the old model so i dont see why both masks cant be IGC so f2p gets more options, since they cant have cat ear hair at least let them have a cat mask with ears as well so they can have options too!

[frail kite]

Channel might as well be shut down now. Can't react to comments we agree with and can't hold a decent conversation because the cool downs so long. Oh well I guess

[spark lance]

This is exactly right. They "scream from rooftops" that beta is subject to change but at the same time give misleading patch notes about the adorable hair everyone loves. To get us hyped? Then in the end act surprised when people are upset they havent been let aware of something that they "already knew it was going to happen in the end." If that's actually true, I don't know

[untold oxide]

welp clap
im heading out now for the sake of my sanity

[narrow current]

Oh removed reactions, welp. Sadly i dont think they will pass up on the opportunity to make huge bank with the popularity of of cat hair lol .. oh well

[peak mason]

the part of this i really dont like is the fact that the mask changed

[split umbra]

Yes, cooldown is going to slow chatter to keep conversation comprehensible. Yes, disabling reactions will help calm us down (and won't let people use emoji's to harass others 💀 Why are you doing that in the first place, seriously, be polite).
But now it kinda just feels stifling, without the flow of conversation. Maybe this is a good temporary break for some of us but... it's frustrating for others

Please remember to go to #beta-feedback to express your opinions on this whole matter concerning the update.

[rapid reef]

No reactions? Long cooldown time? Feel like I'm not allowed to express myself over TGC's mistep and predatory actions toward their paying player-base.

Very poorly made choice. Now it's impossible to have a proper conversations.

TGC is predatory toward their paying player-base. They are disrespectful of their communauty. Don't silence us when we're expressing concern for the game.

REMEMBER PEOPLE. TGC is not our friend! They do not care for us the way they appear to be! Do not let them get away with their predatory scheme. Stay critical of their actions.

[barren falcon]

people were using the reactions to disrespect and bully other players, pls read the mods messages you guys

[stark lake]

that pretty cool and all and I understand you have a job to do but the disconnect im feeling is that telling people "the feedback channel is still open" its kinda dodging the point. when you make the cooldowns so high like they are right now the only way we can show we agree or disagree with people is through reactions. the cool thing is we as peeps with regular roles can't see that channel history. now if theres some magic way of us have discussions through that channel please do tell

[magic jetty]

what do some of you mean w last minute this is still beta testing 😭😭😭😭

[atomic yoke]

i shouldve known it was going downhill when they hid the prices in a beta update once even though its in their beta guidelines to give feedback on prices

[agile patrol]

dw i got the reactions

67 😭 41 💀 27 15

[spice zodiac]

naw, like i said earlier i do not care about the cat ears in the slightest, never did, i am more upset about the cat mask downgrade due to becoming "free" and this pattern that keeps repeating over and over again, i am SCARED this game will not live past its 4 to 5 years

[faint steppe]

I get that some people were being rude, but most of us are voicing our opinions and mentioning the honk that tgc has done in the past, they should take the fan base advice every once and awhile.

[burnt mist]

Exactly and people are defending TGC like bro they're a multimillion dollar company. If anything, they're wiping their tears with $100 dollar bills. What happened to the message about friendship, altruism, and helping others? TGC is getting so money hungry and greedy, just like EA, Netease, and Hoyoverse. Also this cooldown is ridiculous. 10 minute really??? 💀🖐🏾

[spark lance]

E

I’m gonna go to sleep now have fun guys and good luck mods! We appreciate what you’re doing and the fact that you’re willing to put up with all of this chaos! Have a good day/night and please keep things civilized guys

[covert mirage]

Agree. I mean, things supposed to stay the way it is. Not because it went popular that you use that opportunity to earn profit by moving it into pack

N e way, please calm down yall, cool your head

[heady prawn]

I think the cat face mask has lost some Halloween features after the update, and I hope it can be optimized again.

[crude vortex]

Okay but I'm more worried about the people who actually made effort on the cat mask but then it got scrapped out. Hopefully they get paid after all that

[orchid nexus]

reactions will be back, never fear. I know how much everyone feels they're important to communication here, and I agree with that sentiment. modding when people are angry for completely understandable reasons is difficult.

[bitter ember]

so disappointed with TGC, u can make money from us but not in this ridiculous way...

[queen ridge]

not any good items for free,just business and money and why cat mask change so ugly’…..(just Personal opinion

[feral marlin]

how are you survive not getting muted cuz i think that will sound rude for them 💀
just wasted another 11 min 11 second

[summer girder]

Well I have a question

[chilly zenith]

YALL.

People were being DISRESPECTFUL with the reactions and the cooldown is this long because the chat was going INSANELY FAST. THATS WHY ITS OFF! PLEASE read.

Mods do NOT work for TGC. They are just here to MODERATE

[shadow stratus]

To be fair i think everything was already said since a while ago and chat its just on repeat, i hope that something good come out of this dicussion

[spark lance]

My poor guy it's going to wait 10 mins to ask his question

[violet bane]

One last message, for people defending this issue that the TGC did, in my opinion they shouldn’t have given false hopes in the first place- don’t say it was for beta testing that’s why they made it free for awhile- (In app purchases are literally free for beta players-) they kinda did this on purpose when it was getting popular and saw this as an easy cash grab (staying in sky for awhile made me realize season of shattering is kind of a flop-) PLEASE REMEMBER THIS GAME WAS SUPPOSED TO BE ABOUT FRIENDSHIP, INDIVIDUALITY AND NOT THE SIZE OF YOUR WALLET (or basically how many IAP can u buy-)

[rich rampart]

wasting my cooldown to say oh my god
420 😭 29 50 😥

[rose narwhal]

This!!!! ⬆️⬆️⬆️

[noble whale]

ITS AT 11 MIN COOLDOWN NOW? IT WAS AT 4 WHEN I FIRST JOINED THE DISCUSSION

[twin gust]

do you guys think it is possible for tgc to bring back cat hair as IGC? like the rainbow pants used to be an IAP and was changed to candles, do you think its possible to change it back?

[full dagger]

Pftttt

[spice mason]

Nauuuur what happened to the cat mask?

[drowsy barn]

tbh I can understand why people are upset about the cat hair going from IGC to IAP, I also want the cat hair to be igc again but I feel like people are taking it too far at this point. I get sky can mean a lot to many people but I feel like we could all use some time to just take a step back and realize at the end of the day, it's just a game. It won't affect anyone's life in a drastically negative way and though what I'm saying could be considered offensive, the things I'm reading here are kind of twisted assumptions of TGC. Like y'all need to calm down

[visual ocean]

Guys remember, THIS IS A BETA TESTING

NOT LIVE WERE IS PERMIT

we still have an OPPORTUNITY TO CHANGE IN #beta-feedback or NOTHING will be changed at all

We STILL have time before OCTOBER comes around the corner

(Is not the end of the world yet)

[vivid laurel]

not trying to be rude but well ig we can't get excited for an item to be igc bc they're going to change it to iap </3

[lime plover]

This, some people were being very toxic and abuse the react system to offend people whom have their opinion stated. I believe the mod did what they have to do so please do understand them as they did to us

[tawdry pebble]

If enough feedbacks are sent with large quantity. Maybe.

[cobalt wind]

爱赚钱的工作室一枚吖～

[gilded parrot]

We ask everyone to please post only in English on this server, @cobalt wind. Unfortunately, moderators and staff aren't able to support all the languages spoken by our global Sky family.

[tulip flame]

Nvm i can't download the app anymore

[knotty shale]

Eh.. Beta is subject to constant change, and I understand the change of the cat mask and hair. What makes me feel a little bummed out is the absurd pricing of everything. The fact that it's hidden in beta... I can't even have an idea about what everything's going to cost. I just have to hope for the best. And that feeling is not nice.

I do hope that the items are NOT as expensive as I think they are going to be.

[tame pasture]

I honestly don't care a whole lot about the cat hair. I probably wouldn't've gotten involved if it wasn't coupled with a massive downgrade to the mask it was replacing in the IAP pack, which paints the picture that TGC is intentionally making the few items we get for free unimpressive to maks their IAPs look better by comparison. If they're willing to do that, switching a well-recieved cosmetic to IAP for profit reasons doesn't seem unlikely.

[boreal shell]

Using a skull isn't disrespecting anyone, or looking with suspicious eyes or oreo saying No

Stop making excuses in tgc behalf for everything, this is obviously to manipulate the negative criticism

[terse zephyr]

Please have a look at the free cosmetics that we are getting from sprits in the season 😂😂..
All masks and one pants.No free hair or cape from the sprits.
Well done TGC 👏👏👏.

[livid ridge]

Mannn, i feel so disappointed 😭 they give us hope then take it away every time

[plush pier]

The thing is it was moved BECAUSE people were attatched to it, they REALIZED it was a big hit and saw it as an exploitative way to cashgrab. Part of the reason people like me, who dont even WANT the cat hair are mad, is because this is a purposeful action based on the communities love for the hairstyle. And if we let them do this, they’ll do it again. And again. And again.

The fact that it took me this long to be able to reply is absurd. At least ease up on the cooldown if you’re removing reactions. I dont care if it was too fast or sum. This is a discussion channel, i shouldnt have to wait 12 minutes to respond to someone.

[hybrid wedge]

@glad stump no matter what your opinion is, the rules require us all to be respectful to others. Your pose was removed

[silver spear]

honestly i just really hope that the cat bundle wont become another marshmallows, cuz we have to be honest, the removal of prices is what allowed that to happen

and that's all i have to say on the matter, have a good night skycord

[brittle raft]

bring back prices in beta!

[shy knoll]

TGC is a game, people r going to complain and get upset bcuz it’s a game that millions play, it will affect how people play if it’s not changed, i get where you’re coming from and ppl have been saying this a lot, but you need to understand that ppl r giving feedback because it’s basically outrageous about what they’re doing and have been doing for months. “calming down” won’t fix the problem, ppl r angry and rightfully so, not everyone is rich or wealthy enough to spend 100usd in a single event, let’s not forget the currency in other places 💀

[hybrid wedge]

It’s like the second day of testing—seasonal cosmetics often get moved around during testing. This isn’t anything we can know for sure right now

[tulip lake]

I can't react soo ⬆️ ⬆️ ⬆️

[forest valve]

Well, it seems difficult to hold a discussion here at the moment.
I hope you all take good care of yourselves.
Good day/night.

[urban canyon]

im not sure erm,, i dont have youtube as a guidance and im not sure of the new seasons stuff mostly i want to know if there are any new emotes and cosmetics, do i ask in #beta-season-test-chat or here?

[fluid quail]

just to clarify on something! making the cat hair iap wasn't cuz it was papular, a dev confirmed the decision was made weeks ago meaning before we even knew about the hair.
so I'm assuming leaving A CONSTRUCTIVE FEEDBACK could actually get it to change, really tho.. don't assume things it just makes it worse for u.

[dire fox]

It's not about "TGC is an indie company they have to run a business somehow", it's that there already was an IAP bundle before they switched out the items and made the now-free cat mask a lot more plain and less cat-like.
This on top of the fact that prices are no longer shown in beta to avoid negative feedback should be telling enough where TGC is headed as a studio.

[hybrid wedge]

The season test chat!

[flat willow]

I actually agree on your stance that "its because its the damn cathair thats just too cute admit it" sentiment that people are getting overly upset But at the same time as a f2p player that only ever bought the charity flower bc it was 100% for a good cause and quit bc the game became extremely grindy, coming back almost a year and a half later and seeing sky going even more downhill in the iap path is pretty upsetting. I would literally say all the time that sky was the most f2p game ive ever seen and that they were so generous but its slowly becoming apparent to me how thats actually changing sadly.

Not only is there more iap content being added nowadays (which isnt in itself bad) but its coming at the expense of f2p content diminishing, and it feels like i can barely even get excited for future content because all the "cool stuff" is gonna be behind a paywall anyways... I feel like the cathair just was the straw that broke the cammels back for lots of ppl and thats why the backlash rn is SO harsh rn... idk thats just me maybe.

Welp skykids, remember to keep it civilized even if you're upset, the mods have no fault in this and #beta-feedback even if it feels like we're being less listened to lately... lets just take a deep breather and come back in a while to have a more chilled down convo

[remote stratus]

Naurrrrr, I hope they think about reversing the change on the mask and hair

[jade arrow]

Yes, I didn't even want the cat hair, it's not my style. My go to Shell collector and Botanist and and Narc. But the way they handled this is just so poor taste. And the announcement came too late. Since Beta is so subjective to change then why not roll it out like that if it was already planned or announce the issue before hand? How do we trust that you guys didn't just see a well liked cosmetic and decided to make it IAP. It is a better explanation than whatever you're giving. And even if it's not the case, it's a horrible way to handle it.

[indigo lichen]

Ello, so how we doin beta?

[spark lance]

I just see some leak and the cat mask is changed wowww. I really disappointed and my days is ruined. This is also not the first time. I know y'all staff working so hard. I know y'all having hard time. I don't hate anything. but please, this is not the first time we disappointed. I know you need money, we all do. I heard that the economic conditions in the world being worse. i can understand about that. but please at least don't give us hope at the first place. and we all know in every country the price are different. at least make the free items is cool and better okay? because not all the players is having money for items that just can be used in game and that price can required live savings for one week or maybe one months. 🙂
Sincerely.

[pliant spoke]

Not good 💀

[rigid sand]

ya know this is proof you don’t care about your players…nobody was being disrespected there, NOT EVEN THE GAME ITSELF!!!! just active CRITICISM on how OVERPRICED things are for no reason, yall mods just delete whatever you don’t like and ignore the players.. no wonder everyone is complaining.. you can’t get mad at that

[hybrid wedge]

I’m...I’m a moderator

[spark lance]

Mods are not devs.

[tidal bramble]

except in notes it said it was currently being considered as an igc, so either someone screwed up the notes, or they are making bogus excuses. I not angry, I feel betrayed. I think most folks here are looking for transparency and honesty. Welp gotta wait another 12 mins to talk again

[spark lance]

We are talking, discussing the problem. We can do that at the same time as leaving feedback in #beta-feedback . We are continuing the conversation and voicing opinions. Its weird to always get the same "leave feedback" when voicing something about the problem here. Most of us, lets be honest, already DID leave feedback, and still WILL leave. Just let us chat about it here as well. 💀 We almost CANT have a disscution with the time limit being so high.
@fluid quail another dev confirmed in the patch notes yesterday that the hair is planned to be in game currency

That being said this is also your little reminder to go leave feedback hehe. Respectful feedback of course.

[olive cape]

Help. I am stuck in a loop in Eden. After dying and hugging the little guy, I start ascending towards the stars, as I am about to reach the stars where you see the spirits, the game crashes. When I restart the game, I end up at the point where you fly out of the flying rocks and statues. This has happened three times now and I am not sure how to get out of this loop.

[humble plinth]

I don’t even care for this cat hair problem that much tbh, because this feels just like any other times they changed a free item to be paid, but the problem i have is that even if they kept the cat mask as free they had to in my opinions, ruined it, to the point it just looks like a basic recolor of a normal mask and totally not worth a f2p player’s time, heck it doesn’t even look like a cat anynore, it honestly feels like they’re disregarding players who don’t, or can’t, buy the packs

[covert minnow]

Judging from the lack emotes and slower cool-down? Likely got more heated

[hasty pendant]

⬆️⬆️⬆️

[spark lance]

There was 1 reaction that had a curse word in it. Idk who that person is but they ruined it for the rest of us.

[cinder chasm]

Most people in live won’t care because it’ll be just another in-app purchase bundle like many others and they won’t know one thing used to cost candles. There’s not really going to be a large problem with this overall but it’s still unfortunate that they knew about this change for a week and didn’t mention it when cat hair has been a desired item for a long time with a lot of players.

[north locust]

Maybe put that in #report-a-live-bug ?

[hybrid wedge]

And mods will absolutely delete posts they see of anyone insulting someone else, which was the case earlier.

[spice basin]

They, they were just doing their job and that message was genuinely disrespectful?

[orchid nexus]

I'm a Sky player, but I also happen to mod the official Sky server, so I'm in a position to say this with good authority: TGC staff do hear the conversation. if you're worried that you haven't been heard, I can confidently say that you have

[cedar yew]

It's less about TGC making cat hair iap and more about how distasteful this situation is and how much disrespect and stuff we received.

Cause they just show as a company who only sees cash atm.

This is about being dishonest to the fanbase.

And also meow meow

[barren falcon]

first of all the mods don’t work for TGC, they’re just here to moderate the server. I’m not making excuses for anything.. 💀 second, those were the mods words not mine, if someone was using the reactions to bully others i’m gonna accept that and wait for the reactions to turn on, it’s not like they turned off the reactions because they can’t handle criticism. if that was the case the feedback channel wouldn’t be here!! speaking of that, here’s a reminder that the feedback channel is a thing and it exists!!! and its there for you to voice your concerns/opinions!!

[empty garden]

I don't think I'll make any adjustments at all.

[agile hazel]

Just because you didn't see it, doesn't mean it didn't happen. There were literally people being racist and calling people poor

[spark lance]

just reminded you mod are not dev, mod just taking care dc community only

[urban raft]

Me neither, but I’m desperately hoping they prove me wrong

[burnt mist]

So? It doesn't matter if they hear it. For all I care, they can have the best hearing in the world. They're clearly not listening

[atomic yoke]

why didn't they change it sooner then? why wait until everyone was excited for it to then change it. if they did wanna change it, it was a very sus timing of it anyways. they should have either waited, or made a statement regarding the matter. but they didnt and just changed it and made the igc item so ugly it doesnt even look like the original. people are giving feedback here and are being silenced by others or the mods themselves. theres no point unless you have power here

[half plaza]

honestly are we even surprised, i knew this game was leaning to the iap path once they removed the prices in beta, we all know it's because they don't want to lower the prices when it gets feedback on beta 💀

[haughty forge]

IMAGINE DELETING A MESSAGE BC THEYRE RIGHT…? CAN U FR NOT HANDLE CRITICISM!!! there was nothing disrespectful there my guy.. nobody was being disrespected there, just saying how the items r overpriced..😭

and why is suddenly not wanting to buy stupidly overpriced items a “poor personal problem” like what😭

people have money and just don’t wanna pay for overpriced stuff that most likely won’t be good in the end..

and if your a mod then do something😭clearly u got ur job to handle a situation and at this rate it really isn’t being handled, just adding more fuel to the fire tbh

[magic jetty]

they feel like alts now

[novel aspen]

I’m just hoping for a good outcome after all this backlash. Personally, rescinding the decision would make me happy. Restoring the mask to its previous appearance would remove the salt from the wound, at least

[crude parrot]

they hear feedback but they might as well be tossing half of it into the bin

[terse yarrow]

99% tbh

[warm eagle]

The cat hair being put in a bundle isn't good, knowing that bundles are always ALWAYS expensive.

[spice zodiac]

thing is last time they did say they heard us but then went around and put things that we all agreed against in effect

[faint steppe]

Using up my slowmode horayy

[orchid nexus]

arguing with moderators over rules enforcement won't serve any purpose here and won't be tolerated. enforcing server rules has nothing to do with criticism of TGC

[summer girder]

I just heard that the hair of the event of Halloween turned to the mask. We need to use money to buy the hair and use candles to buy the mask in beta... Seriously? Come on I like the hair very much.

[lyric crag]

I agree with your opinion Im not an f2p myself, i don't care about the hair but I feel like they're treating f2ps like Garbages they barely get any good looking cosmetics

it would've been nice if they just left the cat mask for the f2ps since it's decent looking but they just had to downgraded it

[chilly zenith]

you guys literally do not like to listen

please understand it wasnt just the skull emoji that people were using, they removed reactions bc people were genuinely being disrespectful and extended cooldown because the chat was going too fast.

mods do not work for tgc. mods work on discord to moderate servers, and the only reason they did this was to be able to manage the server at a better pace. please stop blaming them for tgc’s actions

mods are deleting messages that are rude, because they are rude, not because it’s criticism because it isn’t criticism.

NOBODY is trying to invalidate you over anything. please stop assuming they’re trying to silence you.

[delicate willow]

Exactly they didnt delete the messages earlier where one guy was being rude calling people poor and saying it was a personal problem against the criticism of tgc but they can remove reactions because “nerd emoji = mean” anyways you ate and left no crumbs

[rose narwhal]

❗Try to remember that no matter how strongly you feel about the changes it’s not a reason to get genuinely upset or take it out on mods, much less other sky kids!!! Your opinions are valid but you can express them without hurting anyone.

[drowsy barn]

But attacking tgc won't fix the problem either I'm just talk about the people who I feel are kind of taking it too far and saying all kinds of things towards tgc. My main point was to just be a little more mindful of others around you. I never said people can't be upset, but they shouldn't let their emotions make them say or do things that could be considered crossing the line. Ofc, I also get where you're coming from, I know the prices are an issue in Sky and not everyone can afford everything, I myself cannot afford any of the mischief items and haven't been able to since I joined sky two years ago. It can be a little upsetting but at some point you kind of just learn how to let go

[spark lance]

I leave for an hour what happened here 💀

[lusty iron]

i can't tell if things have calmed down or it's just the slowmode

[twin gust]

REMEMBER: DO NOT DM THE STAFF/MODS BECAUSE OF THIS. do it in #beta-feedback BUT DO NOT PRIVATELY DM THE DEVS.

[toxic monolith]

me too, mate. people yelling at mods. mods who are also players but doing their jobs. craziness all round

[knotty shale]

I did not knew they changed the cat mask to make it more plain looking... Ouch. Yikes. Jenkins. Oof, even. That's... Not very cool. Why not keep it the same, if you're going to make it an igc? Why PURPOSELY downgrade it? Are F2P players not as important as players that are able to afford a Ferrari or two? I don't get it... I seriously don't get it. I wanted to give tgc the benefit of the doubt, but this is literally proving a point.

[livid mural]

This 🔼

Mods are not the devs guys, stop taking your anger out on them
Thats why they keep telling yall to send feedback in the respective channel, not taking it out on them. They're just there to mod the server and enforce rules

[hollow flame]

[plush pier]

I was looking up in chat actually, trying to glimpse at the rude reactions they were talking about, considering ive been in this chat nonstop for some time over half-an-hour and saw none of that. So unless the mods see the emote as harassment somehow, i feel like they just want us to shut it tbh. And i honestly dont care if i get muted or warned for this or whatever, i dont talk often in this server anyways, and feel like i should have the right to speak when i feel like theres foulplay going on. Sorry this is long i just had so much time to type <3

[spark lance]

People should relax at this point, they're even arguing with mods bro, it's not their fault. This topic it's done already, it's been hours since the argument started, give time to TGC to do something, at this point, keeping the hate won't do anything more than increasing the slow mode.

[spark lance]

the mods probably removed any rude reactions which is why you aren't seeing it tho

[lime plover]

This person is right, mods are just doing their jobs as of earlier there were people who were being VERY RUDE and abuse the reaction system to offend others. PLEASE LISTEN FOR ONCE, PUT YOURSELF IN OTHER’S SHOE AND SYMPATHIZE

[spark lance]

**Honestly, they went a bit overboard by changing some details of the cosmetics, the community was convinced and satisfied with what was coming, but they had to change everything at the last minute, and this is the result. Also about the prices of cosmetics, that's already going overboard.

#CatHairWithoutIAP

#LowerThePriceOfCosmetics** 💪😔🤙

[rough falcon]

I'm going to bed, someone @ me if anything happens

[woeful galleon]

the prices of everything in this game was just so high and after TGC know that we’re all love the hair then they changed to IAP. What? Can you believe that? Can you see their plan? I’ve played this for 2 years and I know this game is developed in a bad way, more bad and bad just came out. But guess what? I'm still here and support TGC. But this time I was disappointed with them.

[violet bane]

⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️

[split grove]

it has been 2 hours i believe, it flared up around 7:04 pst and its currently 9:16 unless you mean the arguement with mods

[autumn path]

Gonna be real, any "rude" reactions unless it's a slur or racist can be ignored -- what is the abuse of the reaction system otherwise? If you can use your brain to step away from this conversation when it gets overwhelming or too much, then you can ignore reactions to your messages if they're mean, not sorry

[tawdry tree]

Oh cute IAP conversations again. TGC... *sigh

[prime void]

While it’s not ok to attack mods for no good reasons, quite often I see valid criticisms of mods being called ‘being rude’ or ‘needlessly arguing with mods’.

[hybrid wedge]

@spark lance You’ve posted that three times now. It’s becoming spam. If you want to share your feedback with TGC, please post in the #beta-feedback channel

[livid ridge]

How long have this place been burning like this

[spark lance]

Hours

[brittle raft]

hey! I just wanna point out that early 2021, the Beta chat was very much in flames due to a change involving the introduction of the afk timer. A dev came in to gather opinions (many from disabled players, and players with little available time who'd be more directly inconvenienced) and the change was taken out from beta shortly after.

I remember that situation very clearly because I was suffering from chronic pain, and the change would've made it more difficult to hang out with my friends in candle runs, and I chimed in to give my opinion several times - and even dropped some feedback!

Do you understand my disappointment when months later said afk timer got added, without passing through beta or anything?

I just have never really felt heard by tgc after this, and it's why I feel like it's important to have this conversation right now. Lots of us are tired because it genuinely feels like we are not being heard, considering past incidents.

[tropic bough]

Dang this channel is still poppin

[shy knoll]

yes be a little more mindful of ppl around you, but you having learnt to let it all go isn’t a good mindset to be spreading in a FEEDBACK channel. this channel is for explicit feedback on prices, (that beta is no longer showing for some reason lolll), items, events, seasons, if something were to happen then ppl r supposed to give their feedback and concerns here, i can’t afford it either, and that’s why i’m giving feedback on how everything’s so expensive.. 🗿

[gusty zenith]

This ⬆️. Getting mad at the mods for TGC's decisions is like getting mad at the waiters for the food that the chef made

[narrow briar]

everyone please remember all the concerns with the iap changes go in the beta feedback channel ... please be nice to each other and mods

[fluid quail]

@tidal bramble @atomic yoke i totally agree I've been screaming we need more transparency in patch notes on subjects like this.. cuz this ain't a small change, but for me knowing that changes weren't cuz of how we liked the items actually made some things clear, folks here assume things which can only upset ppl more, for the patch notes yes and yes 😩 we need more transparency in there, then you and some others won't feel betrayed or unheard.

[lament meteor]

All Jenova Chen fault then

[steady widget]

Oh no 💀

[orchid nexus]

I know there are many decisions that don't please everyone, and some that even feel harmful. that's perfectly fair to say so

[spare stump]

I'm suing Jenova 😭😭😭😭😭😡😡😡

[humble plinth]

THATS MY ISSUE WITH THIS! Everything else has been your normal IAP problems discussion only becoming extra large due to it being the fabled cat ear hairstyle, but the only thing i actually can’t stand is how they purposely downgraded that mask for free to play players, this with the IAP problem combined just makes it feel so much more like tgc not caring for players who can’t pay all the IAPs, which is disappointing

[fierce thunder]

hey mods are yall doing okay after earlier? there was a lot of people

[rapid reef]

I stand by the communauty.

TGC is disrespectful and predatory toward their paying player-base. They have been steadily declining more and more. It's about time we stop allowing TGC to get away with everything.

[craggy cloak]

ngl im just sayin this cuz i was reading up, for the ppl saying its just a game - yes, its a game- but its a game that alot of ppl have paid 20+$ on and dont want to just quit it- also memories (ok thats all i had to say ima just continue reading)

[hollow cloak]

Hey y’all. Just sliding in here as someone who’s been in the beta program since Sanctuary.
There’s a wide variety of reasons why people are so angry here, but some of the concerns run deeper than simple “it’s expensive” or “i really wanted cat hair.”

TGC has made a lot of decisions more recently that have been less and less altruistic towards their playerbase.

They removed things like being able to see other players in an area when honking due to “concerns over trolling and abuse” despite everyone saying it made the world feel lonelier. They disabled collision with objects to avoid griefing… Now the krill cat launches people incredibly far, and yes, they promised to adjust it, but why would they add an item with that functionality in the first place when they’ve been so concerned with anti-trolling?

Also, IAP prices used to be posted with every single IAP listed in the beta store. This would happen weeks in advance, when events were tested well before release. Now every update comes with a long disclaimer about how it’s difficult to make decisions about prices in beta, and nobody should expect things to be polished. As someone who really enjoyed watching them slowly polish the areas and content before bringing them to live, I find it hard to see this as more than an excuse to leave content unpolished and obscure the pricing (Beta content rarely undergoes major changes before hitting live - including bugs). Things like these never used to be an issue in beta, and never needed disclaimers.

Beta seasons used to be finished by the time they hit live. Now we’re still testing the end of a season when it launches on live… Things feel rushed, unpolished, and overall unprepared for release. Builds are buggier and the wait time between seasons has diminished more and more as time goes on.

Furthermore, we’ve had more four-spirit seasons as of late. This was something that was a “new experiment” for Prophecy, and the one big feedback was that these seasons drove up the pricing of spirit trees, making purchases overall more frustrating. It was an interesting gimmick for Prophecy, but now we see more four-spirit seasons than the traditional six. And they’re expensive.

We all know about the common gripes for the increase in IAPs and the pricing (inflation has also made IAPs more expensive than ever before).
I’d like to bring light to the fact that these are smaller issues in the list of much longer-standing grievances as TGC has gone downhill, ones that may not be noticeable to newer testers. I have played and loved Sky for a long time, and I’m disappointed with everything I’ve observed recently.
We send feedback every season, but much of it gets filtered out. Many bugs are left unpatched. Feedback has limited use if it never gets implemented.

I will personally be avoiding buying IAPs or even season passes as long as I see TGC acting like this. If they are motivated by money, then the players need to withold their money. Please also consider limiting your purchases. Not for the cat ears, not for the Aurora collaboration, but for the sake of effecting long-term change and keeping TGC honest in their dealings with Sky. If they continue to make money off of these changes, nothing will change.

[jade arrow]

I can't afford either, that's why we want something good for F2P. I couldn't by the horns last time even though I surveyed non stop for the money because my bound Google isn't linked to the bank and I successfully learned to let go. At least last time we had the cool witch hair. F2Ps are just excluded this time, switching the cat hair with the least liked cosmetic and that too it's downgrade.

[knotty shadow]

“What’s poppin”
“Don’t mind me just watchin “

[gilded parrot]

@hollow cloak, Beta testers do not receive information in advance and no one knows when something will happen. Please check out #news for Live announcements and #beta-announcements for what's currently being tested in Beta.

[cedar yew]

I've said what I needed to so
This↑↑↑ all of this just this↑↑↑↑↑

[urban canyon]

late thank you!

[dull jolt]

I really hope they revert the changes as I saw so many people making their feedbacks about it. I hope they listen to a lot of people.

I hope they heard us from those feedback and from the chat.

[orchid nexus]

what the heck skybot

[celest dock]

why why why my cat hair aa

[vernal plover]

im disappointed i join sky right before all the price debates and what not i have bought a few things i wear constantly and some i dont but with the devs changing the hair to iap as the community got excited about it even thought it was confirmed f2p a day earlier u get things change but this just straight up seems disrespectful to not just f2p kids but also those who do support tcg by buying items that where always paid from the start it seems like they know they will have the support and people will buy it if its received well i do love the hair its pretty much what i wanted to be added besides the ears but they are cute but i gonna have to skip on this team

[night imp]

Idk why they must bundle everything? And why its so expensive? Obviously I don’t know the costs involved with maintaining an online game but surely they have advice on effective pricing, best pricing for volume consumption. Im an older player with a reasonable disposable income and I wouldn’t buy the marshmallow snack kit cuz it is a ridiculous price for that. The season passes are a great value imo. But some of these IAP prices are very overboard. Its very unfortunate TGC got themselves in this situation. Lack of communication, you can’t pull the rug out from under peoples feet. Really puts a dent in people’s trust. They need to unbundle this stuff and offer some items cheaper for those players who can afford an item or two.

[spark lance]

I'm just upset they, of course changed a finally cool free item to IAP but also put it in a bundle when they saw how popular it got. Bundles are so much more expensive but we just want the hair. Not only they said the item was planning to be free a day before then turned around and said "oh if it's important we were planning to make it IAP.." totally totally

[harsh solar]

I just wanna say to TGC staffs, if it's too expensive people are gonna reconsider buying it.. Better buy food with $20 than buying a cosmetic.

Do you know that $20 means a lot to everyone? Personally for me as a Malaysian, USD$20 is RM89 (Malaysian Ringgit), and RM 1 is similar to 1 USD to me.

For my Turkish sky friend, USD$20 is TRY 363 (Turkish Lira) and 1 Turkish Lira is similar to 1 dollar for her.

((Compare to Korean Won, USD 20 is 26617.2 Korean Won. 1000 Korean Won is similar to 1 USdollar to Koreans))

It is expensive. We both do have money but it just feel wasteful to spend so much on a virtual thing. Isn't this supposed to be a healing/children-friendly game anyway?

[wispy obsidian]

I'm concerned about what the game is going to look like 2-3 years from now if they keep adding IAPs like this. This is going to feel very punishing to newer players who join the game to see cosmetics locked behind possibly $100's at this point. Not being able to see the prices beforehand I feel takes away the community's voice regarding this issue, because it is an issue.

[echo mason]

🙄

Oh gosh the cooldown

[wicked carbon]

Days of whales event every 1 month

[vapid briar]

actually...i misread your message and thought it implied staff was buying ferraris. please forgive me. deleting the other reply.

[empty garden]

I think tgc always turns some players' favorite items into gift packages, and they seldom listen to the feedback from players many times.

[knotty shale]

I've been begging tgc to add a grumpy looking mask for centuries. To see it happen was a dream come true... But seriously? Like this?

People are now going to see me wear the mask, and remember how it used to be such a cool looking feline mask. Now, it's just... This. It's so disgusting. I wanted to buy the grumpy mask. But now I feel icky just for wanting it, because it makes me feel like I'm endorsing this sort of marketing decision. It isn't smart. It isn't clever. It feels very dirty, because it's purposely downgrading the mask because it's now "less premium (as in it no longer costs real life money)". As if F2P players just aren't that important. And that's really not it.

I was planning on spending my 20 dollars gift card buying the AURORA season pass and days of Mischief cat "backpack". Now, I'm doubting even that. I honestly never expected this coming from tgc. I really don't know how to feel...

[chilly drift]

We can't share how much we like an item because then it becomes an IAP decided a week ago

[spark lance]

for vietnam 20USD mean 400k vnd to us, and we rather buy food and a lot of stuff with that 400k vnd

[toxic monolith]

it’s crazy how much sky and tgc seems to have changed. i joined live during season of dreams. it doesn’t feel the same anymore.extremely disappointed tbh

[marsh plinth]

I add, TGC has never applied any discount to any IAP

[plush pier]

I suppose you could be half-right but i feel the need to reiterate that i was there watching the channel and was looking up because i had no clue what the mods were on about, having seen nothing wrong originally. I never saw any bypasses, and theres only so much distaste you can get across without language.

[viscid pike]

Maybe you should know that not all packages you should have

[spark lance]

dang what did y'all do for the reactions to be removed 💀
THAT COOLDOWN

[royal vapor]

How's chat goin

[flint granite]

🤨

[atomic yoke]

with how much these iap are getting u will be soon

[wispy glen]

Did I miss anything

[faint steppe]

Using up my cooldown,,how’s the parade going

[winged gust]

Thank you for sharing your experience, dear. Have been testing since the end of Assembly, and noticed the removal of the price tags as weird. The lessening of time between seasons, stressful. And the continued testing of a season while it's out, rushed, as well. Not to mention us having to balance the same season in two different versions at once.
You just brought to light issues I haven't even taken notice of before.

[burnt mist]

Absolutely nothing. I never even saw any rude reactions maybe the nerd and skull emoji count as 'rude' though

[vapid briar]

how much do you think game devs make?

[languid furnace]

Can I get a basic rundown on what's going on? Thank you-

[spark lance]

It's makes me regretted that i buy items but i don't use it much for now🥲 Rp150.000 in Indonesian. can buy me many food and other items that be more useful. but still, good job tgc keep going. yeah keep going 😄 👏👏👏

[pliant spoke]

2 hours to be specific I think

[sudden finch]

TGC, this isn't just F2P players being salty for not having spare money to buy IAP. You realize most of the time, the F2P in online games are the backbone that made a game popular & high-rated in the first place?

Yeah, making good items as IAP is a normal & logical marketing strategy, but it doesn't mean you gotta left F2P with unwanted items that noone even interested in. Rather than turning good IGC items to IAP, why not make a new, better IAP and let the good IGC stays free? Yall don't have to make player inequality even bigger just to get revenues.

[tame pasture]

For the record, I do feel like four spirits per season is probably for the better, since it's easier to have the spirits play a part in the story if there's less of them overall. That said, I do agree that everyone should curb their spending on this game if we want things to improve.

[upper elbow]

Hello I'm from the future and i just wanna say that the cat hair and the cat bundle for days of mischief is free

[spark lance]

as a student who dont earn im feeling this game becoming less and less rewarding for players like us with each update

[oblique dirge]

Are uu surrre

[silk aspen]

Just rightfully ranting on and about that a free item suddenly turned into an IAP item and the cat mask looks worse now and is in the IGC option.

[woeful galleon]

Well actually I decide to buy next season pass as well as the pink bunny 🐰, still want to support TGC after two years, even though they have changed many things in the game and it was so hard for players but I still don’t mind. I’ve said that I will never quit this game, I’ll always come back. After I know the cat hair is free ( not actually because we still have to farming candles to buy it) I was so happy because there’s a day TGC bring a beautifully hairstyle that is free. But look what? They know that everyone is loving that, everyone will buy that so they change to IAP? What? Seriously I feel so disappointed because I feel like they want players money instead of pay attention to players feeling. Jenova Chen, you have disappointed me once about the gap in season of dreams. Now this is the second time. I have no idea what are you doing. I just feel so sad.

[tidal bramble]

guys I am gonna use my 11 mins to remind everyone as a friend to be kind and respectful to each other, including mods and tgc staff. We are all people and deserve to be treated with respect.

[mighty crane]

Halloween lore when
Actually, i think i want more lores for the events outside the seasonal ones

[terse yarrow]

Thank you for saying a big thought. Except the 4 spirits season, it's good for the sake of ts grow rate, i agree.
Now it's not the matter that they switch cat hair and mask,the downgrade of cat mask is absolutely a disrespectful toward player.

[violet bane]

⬆️This- most sky kids are students or well- kids who just want to have fun and thought this game was about friendship but it was actually just like the real world with rich privileges-

[lime plover]

✨stay hydrated and remember to touch some grass too love yall mwa✨

[winged mauve]

I’m giving all of the good reacts in spirit because this is so true

[drowsy barn]

wasn't the reason the prices in beta were taken away in the first place because TGC kept on receiving feedback about the prices when, they weren't really focusing on the pricing and more on the function and playability of certain items? As far as I know, this channel wasn't created for explicit feedback on prices.

Here's something ktjn said in the past about the prices
#beta-discussion message

Anyways, all I just wanted to say that while I do understand why many people are reacting like this, there's a line that we should be careful about not crossing. My intention in butting into this channel was to only remind people to calm down since the things I saw here weren't ok. Yes, people have the right to be upset and it's perfectly understandable but that doesn't mean it can justify the hurtful actions taken out of one's emotion

[amber drift]

Why did they unyassify the cat mask…?.

[autumn path]

#beta-discussion message

[languid violet]

The trust between players and game companies is originally vulnerable. And making people think you absolutely know what is more popular and that needs to cost money or everything is all about money. tgc, is it really worth it tho I wonder

[hybrid wedge]

(Thank you for the good vibes, @tidal bramble. A little reminder when things get heated can help to recenter the conversation )

[lament meteor]

Your text said everything I've been wanting to say, thanks 🥹

Y'ALL PLEASE READ 🔼

[ivory minnow]

i dont think TGC expects people to buy all the bundles/get alll the items either, it's unfortunate with what just happened, but i doubt they expect people to shell out money for everything-

[uneven lotus]

The downgrade of the cat mask is kinda disrespectful towards f2p players...

[vapid briar]

surprise, i'm human and having been at work 12 hours, my reading comprehension has clearly deteriorated.

[drowsy hamlet]

GIVE ME BACK THE ORIGINAL KITTY MASK PLS!!!!!!!

[split grove]

if any staff see this then daily reminder most of your sky audiance (or however you spell it) are minors and have no way of making money, so making everything iap is a really bad move on your part. good night

[shy knoll]

i think ur forgetting ppl were focused on the prices bcuz it’s money, like yknow.. real life currency.. that not everyone has… also how long it take u to find that and type that paragraph must’ve been a while lmao

[rich rampart]

I'm just hoping if they take all this to heart, and they change cat hair back to igc,, they will end up changing the hairstyle to downgrade, like cat mask

[warm eagle]

I feel bad for you bro

[rocky nest]

shocker

[rain latch]

Agree, and think you should leave this under the feedback section as well, as someone playing beta and live since sanctuary

[steady pond]

maybe you should follow mod advice and take a break off beta channels if its getting too heated for you ❤️

[livid ridge]

I think a better way to deal with the problem is to let cat hair available for candle and put it in the Halloween pack at the same time

[plain helm]

true, mega truth even

[craggy cloak]

lapis pfp!!! also I hope they change it back, this was disrespectful but everyone remember to be nice to one ano
ther!

[haughty forge]

exactly, they expect everyone to just spend money on every little thing and then when they don’t, you get called “poor”. well sorry for not wanting to spend 30 good dollars on that when i could use that for literally anything else😭

[hybrid wedge]

@narrow current rudeness and sarcasm towards other community members is not appropriate

[willow sapphire]

“The pricing was taking much more attention than how the items felt/looked” BOOM! $20 for Sticks

[humble plinth]

opinions on how they purposely downgraded the cat mask for f2p users though? really haven’t seen enough people talking about it, and it’s actually the only problem i care about

[steady widget]

Tbf tgc is already giving out enough content through the travelling spirits, the only thing that can be considered as an price overkill is iaps and the fact that it's totally a players choice to buy it or not, tgc only earns in-game through adventure passes and iaps, bringing ts's back and replicating old unt gifts is also something very big done by them, you can hate on this message all you want but honestly speaking people saying that f2p don't get enough content is pretty selfish.

[livid mural]

Agreed. While I understand that prices are increasing, but I've seen people saying that this game has becoming more like a fashion game than a friend making game. Though ppl look like as if they need to buy every single thing available sometimes

The thing I can agree on is that why change the mask so much (personally I have no problem with how it looks now tho), maybe keep the og design for it for F2P and make another one for IAP

Edit: Ohmygod a Chamber pfp under my Chamber pfp

[lyric cove]

Why make Halloween hair a gift bag? so sad!

[uneven gale]

cat hair is now IAP nooo- 😭

[jade arrow]

Make cat ear hair available for candles and make separate cat ear accessory in the bundle.

[cedar yew]

Sky: whales of light

How's skull or nerd emoji rude it's just the internet culture

Next TGC is going to release iap pass for yearly events

Wow 11 minutes colddown

[violet schooner]

Where is the map shrine for the Forgotten Ark?

[covert minnow]

very well said..!

[half plaza]

sounds like an excuse to release more inflated prices on live, they could always filter out pricing feedbacks or such. there's a reason why there's a lot of price feedback, so instead of removing it, maybe they should just listen to the absurdity of the prices so they can get other feedback 💀

[spark lance]

Was the cat hair actually planned to be an IAP or no. Because if it was, obviously not all of the devs knew that, it seems. There was a miscommunication somewhere and its confusing people now. It gave false hope. The "beta is always changing" doesn't really work rn :/ :((

I don't think it's fair to take away the ability to see the prices of the cosmetics when the prices are always so high in the end.
£20 for a marshmallow stick

If you think about it, Ultimate gifts are NFT items lmao

[languid bear]

Sorry for Just offtofic,I hope they return back the cat mask with CAT-LIKE MOLD

[spice zodiac]

ain't no way you just called the whack random ts system happening once every 2 weeks containing like 12 seasons full of spirits we might not see in another 2 years enough content tho

[amber harness]

My hope for cat hair really reduced to atoms

[spark lance]

I see people using the marshmallow stick as an argument lmao, think about it, if they over price something that is clearly not worth it nobody's going to buy it, they're the only ones losing making decisions like the marshmallow stick lol

[dense cosmos]

The content comes from having to cr everyday just to afford it /s

[lyric crag]

there are f2ps vets waiting endlessly for new traveling spirits and the only new content they get are either 1 cosmetics from 1 event & new seasons pretty boring if u ask me (if they already bought them last year)

[subtle wave]

I was going to make a cat kid oc wit the hair
:(( my hope has been destroyed

[knotty shale]

This infernal cooldown is infernal.

I've given like... 3? 4 cents? Also got a reply from a game dev! Hi game dev! It's okay, we all make misunderstands. Though, I do ask to read carefully next time. You gave me quite the heart attack, lmao. I felt like I had committed a sin... At least more than I have today.

I want to say that I do not want to be associated with people who have been rude with their comments. Giving criticism is one thing. Being disrespectful is another thing. You can be upset. You can express your frustration. You can be a little salty in your comments, like me. But please, don't disrespect anybody. Because I'm pretty sure you don't want to be disrespected either.

I thought the mods were exaggerating. But some comments that I've seen getting promptly removed are really making me ponder on whether people think before they type.

[marsh plinth]

With that money I can buy a big bag of real marshmallows.

[cedar prawn]

But this price is really unreasonable and gives us false hopes. It is unfair and unreasonable.

[fluid quail]

mods being here doesn't always mean they're here to have a discussion, they can't do 2 things at once, just doin their job moderating channels.
@violet schooner this is event chat but the map shrine is inside that cave on the right

[ember knot]

not to mention the price increase in igc items too making it more and more difficult for f2p players

[golden furnace]

hii

[plush pier]

because TGC is moneyhungry and thinks that the old mask was Too Good for the Poor.

See you in 12 minutes. For the love of light lessen the cooldown.

[uncut iris]

Why did cat ear hair become iap 😭😭

[naive arrow]

Phew, guys, haye again. How are you? Did I miss anything very important?
Ohhh 12 minute cooldown... F

[opaque cipher]

Why did they change the cat mask

[heady prawn]

If the cat's ear hairstyle is a gift package, why was it put on the candle exchange tree in the first place? Here. Everyone was surprised and let everyone down quickly.

[quaint nacelle]

its not bad to want nice looking things though
especially bc of the difference between the igc and iaps in mischief we only have the ramen hair, in my opinion that 3:7 ratio isnt enough content
this is just extra disappointing bc we thought cat ears was gonna be igc and got our hopes high 🤡

[signal folio]

What I don't understand is WHY prices are increasing. If a game is small and still getting established, I could see why IAPs might be expensive.

For a mobile game, 3 years is pretty established. Sky now has had 3 collabs and has expanded to more platforms. Prices should be going down now.

If iap cosmetics were capped at 10 dollars and if a lot were 5 and below for single cosmetics I think a lot of people would be tempted to buy. Parents too might be like "hey what is 3 bucks for my kid to have a teatable"

[sick quest]

cuz TGC want ur money

[spark lance]

Hi

[brittle raft]

ts were a good idea back when we had only 4-6 seasons worth of spirits in the pool.

but right now is much more than that, and honestly its not optimal and it gets worse the more seasons pass.

but tbh TS aren't a topic that should go in the beta channel

[vestal pier]

welcome back! also i have no idea because i was changing into my pajamas

[feral marlin]

cuz it's pretty so they dont want f2p to have the good stuff

[atomic yoke]

the game is made for KIDS
it started off very F2P friendly and just kept getting more expensive. the game wasnt made for iap. its very selfish to think that iap doesnt get enough when you can play the story for free. the ts system is wack and there havent even been spirits back yet that a lot of people want. you have to spend hours on this game to even get enough candles to buy a ts and you gotta save hoping the ts you want is back. just because you can afford something doesnt mean others cant, stop talking over the people who cant afford the iap.

[tardy hawk]

how we doing kids? how long is the cooldown this time?

TWELVE MINUTES???

[oblique dirge]

Sending hugs rn

[cerulean fox]

Idk where i fit in in this conversation but i can see the issue for people who view cosmetics as i do, as a way to represent themselves. It would hurt to see a way to make you feel more you being changed to a iap
Even more so for those where 20 dollar is insane in other monies
I hope im making sense here

[static barn]

hopefully TGC can be changed back

[flint granite]

it aint no way an actual dev is in chat being wrong and sarcastic in the same breath...there MUST be something of so much more importance at hand. Im literally in shock my eyebrows are raised into the heavens rn. edit: not u obvs

[viscid pike]

if the hairstyle put in the IAP from the beginning, it may not be so noisy

[burnt mist]

10 minutes 🥴 oh damn it's 12 now??

[robust niche]

I am stuck in eden. I tried leaving 3 times. It crashes every time I reach the end of the castle scene

[gray moat]

nagati isnt a dev, theyre a mod; check the roles

edit: @cinder chasm they replied to nagati so it came off as them calling them a dev

[potent peak]

hey so as much as i hope and pray the changes are reverted we should maybe. not accuse assault or be toxic to the mods/tgc in general. noticed its become a lot more agressive, be nice !!!

[spice basin]

You do realize that’s a moderator yeah?

[winged mauve]

Agreed, I’m not happy with the switch for the cat hair and I do agree that there are underlying issues with tgc but some people are taking it too far with being passive aggressive to the mods and devs who are just trying their best to work through this
(Also yesss lapis is my favourite su character!)

@knotty shale literally all of your previous message is my thoughts, well said

(Thought I might as well use my message well before another 12 minutes, so I’m sorry for the ping!)

[cinder chasm]

She’s talking about ktjn the dev

[lean sorrel]

That is very low of tgc to get us all hyped for the cat hair and then make it an iap the next day.

And it’s not JUST iap, it’s in a damn PACK and it’s probably gonna cost around 20$

I get it, they need money but now they got the fans disappointed/angry, and i think they forgot that not everyone has enough money for a 20-25$ pack.

Way more ppl would buy the hair if it was separate from the pack

[drowsy barn]

it did take me a while didn't it sorry for taking so long. I'm kind of slow in constructing paragraphs and this time it took me even longer because I wanted to try and word things so it wouldn't offend anyone I know people might think that I'm sucking up to tgc but I really do (or I think I do) understand both sides and kind of neutral about the whole thing because of it. Anyways I need to go now, but I certainly did get to know more in depth about people's reasons to be upset. Thanks for chatting with me!

Also I forgot to mention I do understand the pain of not having money to buy the things you want from a game but attacking the company does nothing. I know because I've done it before.

[cosmic rivet]

Same here.

[languid violet]

They had everything written on the update notes. I don't think they can always use miscommunication or "beta is bound to be changing" as an excuse. They just know what is popular and they already grade these items themselves in the first place.

[ivory minnow]

fun fact of the day!

it is abhorrent to wish for harm for the devs and moderators of Sky, the actions of the overall company in-game are not reflections of the people who work on it! the workers who code Sky and create art are not at fault! the moderators on the discord are not at fault!

threats of all kinds are not okay in any way or form. what happened involving a cosmetic is not okay, but you shouldn't threaten people who are just doing their jobs.

(there have been comments and messages of people doing this, though they get removed quickly. does not make it okay.(

[chilly drift]

Part the cat's hair! Give us a choice！！

[night imp]

Seriously they could have come out on the update release yesterday and put 2.99 IAP on that cat hair and sold a gazillion. Probably would have made more money then a hair/cape bundle. Volume pricing on a popular item.

[still mauve]

I think they mostly forgot that there are kids playing this game and not everyone wants to spend money on games we js wanted a cute hair

[hushed grove]

I’m getting some sleep everyone take care

[north patrol]

I’m disappointed in TGC deciding to make the cat hair IAP. It’s awful to know that they noticed the hairstyle gaining a lot of attention, and then decided to make it an item that requires real money. Some people are unable to afford spending money due to young age/restrictions. This seemed like a very low move from TGC.

[craggy cloak]

No cuz my friend lost their account and this poor man has been trying to get stuff from ts - and bro will candle run everyday and STILL cant get everything from ts// also i dont think its fair for ppl saying "u dont HAVE to get everything in the event"- some of us want to style ourselves yknow, we shouldnt have to pick and choose cuz we dont wanna spend $50+ on a game// also same! I love lapis so much <333-- omg this cooldown is taking forevvvvver

[autumn path]

?? I haven't seen anything from the time I've been here regarding threats. I have no idea what you're talking about?

[livid mural]

Agreed. And people think its passable to call their rude messages as "criticism" when its not

Reactions are not internet culture either, ppl have been using it for indirectly bullying and sarcasm as what I've seen in this channel (and gen chat too) and still ppl talk abt how they feel hurt (emotionally) and all

Mods are mods, devs are devs. Very different roles and jobs
And devs are still human. Remember they're still working under someone else/under other group of ppl. And ppl also forgot not all of the devs are in charge of pricing either
(And while I understand ppl are upset for the changes I personally would like to wait and see)
(Me purposely highlighting the word because sometimes some ppl just don't read what I say properly)

[humble plinth]

i know game devs don’t make nearly as much as average players thought they do, if i become a game dev i would also add iap to my game, but this feels a bit too much, jumping right onto the iap train right after it became popular in the beta community, but i really don’t have a massive problem with that, not as much as the others, but the problem i have is why make the cat mask an obvious downgrade so it remains free to buy, at least for me it really isn’t a good move tbh, i hope you guys can reconsider these changes, i know you will make the best decisions sooner or later

dang, i reacted to the wrong person, this was meant for ktjn!

[gilded parrot]

📱iOS/Android: Learn about the sign-up process and how to get notified when invites happen in #beta-faq!
Switch: The Switch Beta testing period has ended with Live launch. All future content testing will be conducted on Mobile only.

[steady widget]

It is content if you ask me, and then the free items you can collect from events? What about that. The bloom accessories, the spirit trees which have free masks and flower pots it is still content, and content isn't just limited to cosmetics, you CAN PLAY THE GAME FOR ITS BEAUTY THERES SO MUCH TO SEE, the Dev's are working endlessly to provide you with the content, and de-faming them is somthing very inexcusable, you can play music in the game too, I'd not stop you if you think only cosmetics is content. Might aswell keep ranting.

[delicate willow]

Me watching clay cracking videos while watching the start of the downfall of this game

Dont mind me just wasting my message

[lime plover]

[loud bloom]

can you guys please stop bringing spoilers into genchat? thank you 😭

[flat willow]

I do agree that by todays standards sky is kinda generous with its f2p content, but you cannot deny theres been a noticeable downgrade in f2p cosmetics, even if they did bring travelling spirits, they have been becoming more and more expensive (through in game currency) which makes them more and more innaccessible and/or pushes the player to grind more, even if sometimes, it isnt even attainable by reasonable standards at some points. Also seasons have less spirits now and are more expensive too, so its not only about grinding normal candles, you also have to grind seasonal ones, but why would you if all the desirable items are behind a paywall and all you're gonna get is a music sheet and maybe some accessory.

I think people are reacting this harshly rn because its a long way coming of grinding and the game pushing you to more and more and you dont even notice, i didnt until i got so burnt out with the game that i had to quit for a whole year and a half. I come back, and i see them literally pushing almost more paywall stuff than f2p when it didnt use to be that way, i think thats what people are upset about rn, the fact that they showed in the past that they didnt use to be that way. And yeah "they're indie and we're in a recession" but they're a company and we are mostly broke students, they used to make so much money from people who actually just loved the game and wanted to support it, myself included, but the more they cater to payer players, the more i feel less inclined to, and the more disillusioned i feel at them as a company.

(also sorry for the text wall jeez)

[junior perch]

I’m just watching izzzyzzz and watching this

[spark lance]

Well, i feel bad for the devs and staff. but still. please reconsider it and hear to our opinion tgc. We know y'all can do better 👏👏. i just wanna give advice that y'all should make accessory and item list in beta update, like the items and accessories you add and the prices. also give description that the item or accessories can be changed to iap or free so people doesn't get false hope and got mad. we trust you tgc. oh yeah, if y'all don't wanna change the hair to free items. at least give back the cat mask and add some yellow shining cat eyes and special effects. Love y'all take care everyone.

what i think tgc should do with iap, personally, is instead of making separate cosmetics all priced at $10-$30 USD is to do what other games do and just make full on outfits at this point with the intent of is being purchasable as a pack and sell it for that prices

the reasons why there is so much drama surrounding iap is because they are pricing for them is usually individual separate packs instead of one big pack>

for example, instead of being like "well you could buy X hair for $10 and Y cape for $30" they should do what most cosmetic driven games do and just make outfits that consist of pants + cape + hair / mask for a base price for every single pack

for example some games might have the following for iap:
-cat outfit pack, comes with clothing, hairstyle, and prop; base price $20
-bird outfit pack, comes with clothing, haitstyle, and prop; base price $20

but what they DONT do its break up the outfit between half IAP and half IGC and then split the IAP between multiple separate purchases

no more of that pls... just starting selling clothing packs instead like in MMOs or smth idk??

[winged gust]

are people that off the hook??? Sorry fam. Sorry mods, and sorry live-only players 😭
On behalf of the chaos here, which should STAY here.

[livid ridge]

Well we still have #beta-feedback as our last hope tho
Please save the cat hair out of the pack 💸

[agile fractal]

@lean sorrel exactly what I think, i hate that cat cape so much, the hair is the best cosmetic so far. I think we have enough iaps on the market already, like in mischief event, there's even aurora season and iaps too, its too much paid content, and almost nothing for free :^(

[short sage]

i feel it’s quite unfair to the adults playing this game, to be making the one new (basically)free to purchase item we can get, now cost real money. we are spending our precious time on this game, and some of us don’t have money to spare, and just wish we had some cute cosmetics. i loved. i loved the cat hair until they changed the pricing. now i’m just extremely disappointed…. i’ve never played days of mischief before, and i have no clue how expensive the other cosmetics are, let alone which ones i want to get, so having to spend even more…? i mean…. this is quite unfair. but i hope and wish TGC will listen to us and change the cat hair back to its original pricing 🙏

[wintry tusk]

29.99$ is waving 🤭

[plain helm]

imma be honest w yall imma just play sky like usual and waste 10€ on whatever season comes to my nose, like if tgc will ever change fr, they're just a grain of salt from the thousands of grains in the salt shaker, i can't do anything about it and imma enjoy some journey wannabe just for the sake of it being free and because my skykid looks like a funny bird anyways lol

this issue isn't so black and white tbh, and i also should stop giving random opinions there cuz it doesn't bring anything in the plate here lmao💀

[muted frost]

GREAT YOUTUBER

[amber harness]

I want cat hair so bad and here we are suffering in exp iaps i can't even afford if its above 20$ im out

[trim goblet]

No amount of text walls will fix this 😪

[chilly wigeon]

Not really journey wannabe if it's made by the same people

[uneven gale]

maybe some text walls in #beta-feedback will fix this

[novel aspen]

I’d just like for TGC to allow us F2P to have this one hair. This adorable, cute hair that is androgynous and wonderfully versatile. Please??
Also I literally can’t even have it in beta because I bought the original pack—can’t wear it neither in beta nor live and it’s immensely frustrating. I know this is beta, but still!

[stuck willow]

can tgc fix the cat mask back to old version please

[whole helm]

they fix the cat mask??

[cunning solar]

so if it was in IAP from the start there would be no problem… right 🤔

[plush pier]

if the rack of sticks costed 20 bucks, this is gonna cost around 60,, and guess who cant complain, because TGC doesnt let us preview their ungodly prices anymore !!! 😍 /neg

[tidal bramble]

Another reminder for everyone to be kind and respectful to each other. You can express frustration and concern without resorting to disrespect. Take one moment to drink something, take a deep breath, and listen to something calming

[limpid moat]

for real, if today's changes came to live, i might just get SOA pass as usual and be more selective with IAPs for DOM. The cat mask current look starting to really bugs me than previous look before.

[dense cosmos]

Its been a long time since I've seen a game company make this many awful decisions consecutively. I wonder how far it will go

[signal folio]

WHY DID THEY BUTCHER THE CAT MASK?

IT LOOKS LIKE AN ANTS FACE WHAT EVEN OH MY GOSH

[lunar zealot]

I hope y’all remember to submit your feedback. It’s still very very early in mischief (and seasons) lifecycle

[rare carbon]

Its not gonna change lol like in TLP even if they do its gonna be dissapoiting

[spark lance]

Ok I know we're all disappointed but PLEASE Keep the beta discussion on the beta channels

[earnest island]

Abyss mask was the worst

[spark lance]

Literally TGC didn't listen to us over bugs. Saying the Shattering season is too broken to come to live. THEY DO NOT LISTEN TO BETA TESTERS. And that's literally proven by the past 😭.... Let's be honest, everyone here HAS and still WILL leave feedback but we are also allowed to be upset here over not behind heard. This constant "just leave feedback" is exhausting because for the very fact we haven't been heard. And everyone KNOWS to leave feedback and we ARE.

[feral marlin]

i feel like the Dev have more than 500 feedback now but they still havent do anything about it
oh ye im forgot im asian

[languid bear]

If you want CAT-LIKE MASK design back, please send feedback! I sent it, too. Let's gather our strength and change it!

[willow sapphire]

Wow it’s been 5 hours since the latest update came out and you are still talking about it

KEEP SHOWING HOW DISAPPOINTED YOU ARE, GUYS

[hybrid wedge]

Well considering that it’s about 10pm in TGC land I think they’re probably sneeping right now

[sterile plinth]

Well, it's 9 PM in California lol

[white sparrow]

Also put in seperate item of cat ears in feedback remember to be polite when begging

[copper socket]

I actually kinda know why they change the mask design tho 🤧

[cinder chasm]

Yeah it wouldn’t be a problem I think, if it was originally described as an iap.

[cedar prawn]

This is a game made for children in itself. Children can’t afford such a high price, and it doesn‘t make people feel good if they want to fail.

[sterile plinth]

hey Nagati

[hybrid wedge]

hey Omi

[noble fox]

it will take time, and they won’t just add one little thing as an entire update

[round slate]

[nocturne dew]

This is when we live, laugh, cry.

[lusty iron]

left to go make some chocolate and everyone's still at it lmao
think i see some new faces though!

[hybrid wedge]

Thank you to all who are keeping posts respectful to fellow community members!

[spring ibex]

Let's be honest here, the more excited everyone shows toward something, that thing will guaranteed to be IAP

It's like, nobody should show them how much we love the items just to keep it 'free'

[misty bone]

yes, agreed on it. I know it isn't easy to know or gather feedback on which might be the item that tops the iap chart but really.... this has been not the first time that this kinda of rage has happened. Nevertheless, I am also appreciative that the TLP pants was made IGC (without adjustment), similarly as per rainbow pants (althou I hardly wear them). Please take in consideration of what has been told and what to be adjusted. Thank you.

[flint granite]

Exactly likes theres more then enough time to scroll and see what was really up 😂 meant for it to be a post on its own not a reply to a mod

[uneven lotus]

Could you please tell me why is it? I wanna know

[pure sleet]

The mask is ugly tbh
Even weasel looks more cat and cuter

[livid mural]

Yeyea agreed
Personally as a person who started paying for games what makes me really wanna buy something is because of deals
Make it that the bundles are actually worth to buy while make the individual items not so ridiculously expensive for a singular item

I've bought skins in pairs and bundles from other games because of deals like that, the complete bundle is much more cheaper than if you buy the items individually altogether too.
TGC should do it

Also for another message sent here I don't think I've seen anywhere that this game was made specifically for children though all I see it was promoted as a social driven game

[narrow current]

What a pity that some people sarcastically comment and are disrispectful to other community members or devs

[honest orchid]

"Yeet powers" lmao

[frosty arrow]

i’m sad i can’t have the cat hair anymore because we barely get any masculine hairs :(((

for every 15 feminine hairs we get maybe 1 masc one

[hollow cloak]

Just wanted to add a little bit. Thank you all for your replies, they helped give me more food for thought.

In terms of four-spirit seasons, I do agree that the TS pool is a problem.
However, four-spirit seasons not only mean more expensive pricing, but less emotes as well. I would argue that emotes are a beloved part of Sky, just as much as cosmetics. Even if moths can’t afford the cosmetics, they can still play with six new emotes and enjoy the season in its most basic form.

These seasons are not friendly to moths at all. They require dedication and tenacity, especially since TGC has lowered the number of days you can miss during a season (you used to have at least two weeks to catch up on missed days. Now, you can barely miss a week of dailies). Moths are usually struggling to understand the game still, especially seasons, which are still poorly explained even though Sky has been around for 3 years. Many players lament missing their first season, and since ultimate gifts never return, seasons are a commitment that many new players don’t understand or can’t afford.
Four-spirit season Traveling Spirits return with expensive cosmetics that are even more difficult for moths or casual players to obtain than usual. Veterans may be pleased, but for newer players, they have to wait even longer and save up aggressively - but holiday cosmetics are also expensive, and the constellations need to be unlocked as well, so where does a new player spend their candles? It sucks the enjoyment out of the game, making it a trial of budgeting.

I agree that the TS pool is oversaturated. But I don’t think four-spirit seasons solve this problem. Four new spirits in the pool is still four more spirits than before. There are already too many new spirits.
TGC should address this issue directly and fix the TS pool instead of resorting to a stopgap method that doesn’t help in the long-term.

Anyways… Those are my thoughts on four-spirit seasons. My main point is still in my original post - we need to stop paying for and supporting these events and seasons, instead of just complaining. If we complain about it and still buy the items anyways, TGC won’t care. They still made money, so they’ll keep doing it.
Please… Don’t fall into the trap and buy the shiny cosmetics. Save your money, push for change, and maybe Sky itself can be saved.

[humble plinth]

also the game is becoming more and more grindy for a while now and that’s only increasing, plus this game is majorly for kids and idk why they just kept introducing iap and set them at high prices that clearly most children and students can’t buy, it kinda lures them to pay when they can’t tbh

[steady widget]

I can agree with you on it being expensive, I myself work at a little cafe i still manage to guy iaps because I've got a strict rule of spending money on the games, the people who're reacting harshly need to understand that joining forces and asking the developers nicely can also work I know there'll be hundreds of thousands of people disagreeing with me but honestly if you keep ranting nothing will work😀, you need to understand their situation then make them understand ours, maybe we can find a solution but all I see here is people going on and all out war even committing very harsh things that no one should do in a public space.

[limpid crown]

why is this so infinite

[tribal charm]

Ah, have you all noticed the days TGC started to make the prices in beta disappear?
We were waiting for the prices of the rainbow headphones to be around US$4.99 then TGC burst the price to US$9.99 that I had to add my budget into buying headphones for both of us
They are trying to hide the prices, and release in surprise so people can't complain because it gets released to the global version.
(heck 12mins cd)

[wispy glen]

Beta feedback channel scares me .....

[queen ridge]

since every cute things is iap why we still collect candle everyday😕what’s the real meaning of sky🥺

[lyric crag]

this is literally what a solo f2p vet feels

[heady prawn]

I think letting players get cat hair style with candles will make more players happy.

[onyx jacinth]

sad about the cat hair too… hard for many people, me included, to get any IAP

[keen stirrup]

At this point it is about the cosmetics and aesthetic

[echo mason]

My friend said it's a
cHiLl gAmE aNd sU eAsTeTik 👉👈

[deep raptor]

Broooo when someone throws the cat curse on you, it yeets any spells you have on already. I was looking at the cat hair and it got yeeted, so frustrating. Couldn't even cast it again because of the forever cooldown

[fading coral]

f2p cosmetics arent my style as the one in iaps, thats why i was so happy that i heard the cat hair was ingame currency and i was grinding so hard and i just heard the news that its an iap now, all that time wasted 😦

[tulip lake]

the more new cosmetics > the more sky is about cosmetics imo

[rotund flume]

I think because it's free ☺️

[burnt mist]

Yes but look at how veterans look at players without fancy cosmetics. They think they're newbies or moths. Cosmetics are a status symbol in Sky and let's be honest without cosmetics TGC wouldn't be making a profit

[amber harness]

The downfall of cat hair hopes

[spark lance]

I guess the fire spread slower now. sips tea

[hybrid wedge]

Wait really? I thought the spells came back if you cancelled the curse!

[wispy obsidian]

Yep, that's one of the biggest reasons I'm upset over this. Despite whatever reasons they have for this, they 100% removed the ability for players to give feedback on prices. If they want feedback on their items, I believe players should be able to give feedback on all aspects of said items, especially their price.

[rapid reef]

"Sky is about friendship!"

So that's why there's so many cosmetics and IAPs? To encourage people to talk? Please, if someone doesn't have certain cosmetics or dress their character a certain way, they get ignored very often. The game stopped being about friendship, it's about the cosmetics.

[modest nexus]

i really give high hope fr hair now its just instead nightmare to my wallet

[spark lance]

Being an older player at 30 with the money to spare for aurora and the cat stuff, I really can see from the responses here the affects IAPs have on many players in just all games in general with IAPs. IAPs are going to have to be special and unique to make people want to buy, so people will be left out no matter what.

[atomic yoke]

i was wondering why this season was so lackluster because the cosmetics are ok, theyre just downgraded versions of ultimate gifts, and u dont really get a lot even though the cost is almost 100 per spirit. i learned a collab was next season and it made sense, like how are you going to keep players if each season doesn't add a new and interesting mechanic to the game? its so boring doing the same thing every week for a new heart. i think performance was one of the best seasons and it was very interactive. if you dont buy the season pass this season you dont really get much, just a few spells and a cape or something

[terse yarrow]

Side from the cat hair fire, the rocket trick is dead too. Not anything fix but frozen the game right after click jump up.

[tardy jasper]

you even have to pay in candles to make or talk to friends , and looking back at it now with the afk timer making it more difficult to get candles hassle free it just feels so odd . and i 100% agree with what @/Kyoko#9186 said , there are so many things and events to do with cosmetics in sky and all the iap cosmetics are super pricey

[frosty onyx]

Aw i wanted cat hair for my bday :(

[viscid marten]

Sometimes it’s like that, been like that since 0.16.0

[hazy root]

We are very angry about today's changes. Why is there no mention of the change in the first update announcement?

[orchid nexus]

anyone looking for a short break from beta, feel free to send a mantalul sticker in gen chat

[terse flame]

I hope tgc sends cat hair to players who didn't managed to get it as igc but got the cat cap iap

[native stump]

First they did it without IAP and looked at how much cat hair would be loved. TGC realized that everyone loves cat hair and made cat hair IAP. A nice money-hungry strategy :/

[lime plover]

:0

[vestal pier]

watch this whole channel just be completely muted at some point it might happen

[graceful widget]

Can't bear to see sky trampled by TGC

[winged gust]

Yeah... the price hiding change has been kinda shady 😔
I only noticed it recently, and I was very confused as to why they changed their description. "The item is free? Yes, of course it's free in Beta. Why do they feel the need to say that over having the projected price there? Where'd it go? "

[old carbon]

There’s literally a whole hierarchy based on how much cosmetics you have. Sky can be enjoyed without the friendship feature. Remove the cosmetics and it’s barren and dry. Complete the base game and there would be nothing to do besides collecting cosmetics from events and ts and exploring the world you’ve already explored.

The reply was removed what

[onyx kelp]

Truly a capitalist!

[bright aurora]

Oh, so that’s why i don’t have friends in sky-

[civic fable]

Can you call it a "cat" mask if its just a normal black mask with grumpy eyes and red diamond on the forehead which nothing resembles a cat at all 🌚

[hybrid wedge]

Nah that only happens to the memes channel when someone tricks the bot into pinging at-everyone

[spark lance]

Its so annoying to pay for anything small in this game, like literally TGC?? The cat hair, did you really have to do that.. tbh it’s ridiculous.

[dense cosmos]

The game is not about "friendship". Season of shattering was the season to come together with your friends, yet it was a broken and buggy mess. You cant even play with friends on other devices

[autumn path]

Messages out here getting sniped

[plain helm]

that and also that my friendship skills are at 100% functional (that is a joke i forgot how to communicate with strangers in this game☠️☠️)

[worldly quest]

literally 1984?

[spark lance]

And gen chat for like 2 weeks when it was terrible

[copper socket]

I think they were trying to fit it with the Cat hair

• first cat mask design would cover the front view of the cat hair and if they switch the cat mask being behind the front view of the cat hair it well also cover the cat mask

• while with the new one it won't cover up, so if u pair both hair and mask it would make u look like a, angry cat =v=

But still disappointing since they made the cat hair an IAP together with the cape. The cat mask and cat cape would be better as a bundle tho 😩

[wary parrot]

Guys, I'm very disappointed. You gave hope to f2p players by adding a Halloween hairstyle with cat ears to the beta, and then they took it away, transferring it to a donation pack with a mediocre cape

[plush pier]

Man i had a whole thing planned for that frienship msg, whatever ur getting it anyways

No, its cosmetics. This game isn’t good at friendship. You need to literally pay ingame currency to be able to talk to someone, its worse than almost any game i can think of for making friends. Infact, I’ve made at least 1 friend in every online game ive gotten into except for sky because its difficult to form a connection. The games heavy focus on IAP’s and currency and high prices for any item that isnt base-game very cleary skews it towards cosmetics and being a general cashgrab.

[hybrid wedge]

Messages are automatically filtered from the chat if they contain profanity or other censored terms

[still mauve]

We just want cat hair for free / or with candles it's not too much to ask

[rare carbon]

I strongly agree to this as solo player

[flat willow]

You literally described to the T my exact same feelings on this. I've been around since the very beggining of android, and it upsets me SO MUCH that this is happening, and its happening exactly in one of the seasons that i love the most of all, aurora, one of my favourite artsits ever, with the type of agendered hairstyles and fun experimental clothing grunge looking that i absolutely love. Having only ever buyed one season pass, im actually torn apart between "boycotting" so that they can see my distaste in their recent desitions or buying the season pass, even if its gonna be in the back of my brain that im contributing to their negative downfall by falling for the catch. I dont think anyone should ever have to weigh a literal emotional dylemma over smth as stupid as this, and im thankful that you managed to put into words my frustations

[scenic cave]

Trust between TGC and players is at stake. The next time he turns any player's favorite item into a gift bag, he'll tell you the original price was just a prank. For this matter I am very cold, also very speechless. The anticipation of the new season and the new campaign has turned into a worry about whether your favorite items will become gift bags. Can't you really have a game experience without charging money? Can we not let that player play like an adult fool with a lot of money?

[white sparrow]

I think they should replace the cat hair iap with cat ears accessory and put the cat hair back in igc anyone who agrees pls put this in feedback

[cyan blade]

i think cat hair into IAP makes someone feel hopeless and wanna quit this game... like me... not only this time

[cedar yew]

Coming back to see chat still running, good, guys keep it up

It's about how friendships are expensive lol /j ↓

[misty bone]

If sky was about friendship, to be honest, if friendship was important and equal. TGC wouldn't have made the inflation on friendship tree so high. We feedback and it still reminds as over-inflated. What is this about friendship then.

[narrow current]

To say there is a cosmetic hierarchy is quite commical, such concepts only have power if you give it to them. How you play the game, how you see its players and how you spend time with your friends its all based around you and what you do. If you focus on that side of things and in that side culture then ofcourse you will feel there is a " hierarchy". Just because someone is wearing something you dont particularly have does not mean they are "flexing on you" or looking down on you; That is how you perceive your own situation and you can choose not to.

That being said TGC make the hair igc again for the sake of all. 🕯️

[uneven lotus]

It still doesn't hold it for me cuz they could have chose a different design instead of making another plain mask

[proper glen]

that and why is the handshake interaction the second-highest...

[steady widget]

I'll take up your offer, Alex. This has been pretty stressful, people throwing insults at the mods and Dev's I really like is very very sad and demotivating for me.

[wispy glen]

Praying to get it rn ❤️
Now waiting for years bec of the slowmode

[queen ridge]

However, I insist on playing for several years, the original friends are basically retired, everyone has a real life.continue to let me play the reason may only new cosmetics and the effort before or not friendship🥺

[spark lance]

It's not fair to take away the ability to see (and criticize) the prices, if the prices ALWAYS come out to be so high in the end.

[brittle raft]

unfortunately you cannot influence a stranger's opinion! I'm sure lots of new players must feel abandoned over not bein capable of getting fiends because they have no "style". They may not care about the style but unfortunately a lot of the playerbase does and they're not the ones who have any power in this sort of decision!

[vapid briar]

here, i'll give you a peek behind the curtain:

in true "game dev is wild y'all" fashion, we go back and forth 100 times on just about every aspect of the game, something could be one way in the morning, and change rapidly by the afternoon. this includes discussions about whether items are IAP or IGC. conversations about the cat hair being an IAP have been taking place for over a week.

you are correct, there was a disconnect between the release notes and my statement, because it's a little bit like Schrödinger's Cat (hair ) in that from the perspective of the two individuals, both statements were true at the time they were written.

Because of these kinds of rapid-fire decision changes, it's really difficult to deliver 100% accurate information 100% of the time. Think about how often you see notes in #beta-announcements that say something is available, enabled, fixed and it isn't until days or even weeks later. it's the same disconnect because a change might miss the "cutoff" for a build and not go in for a variety of reasons. it can take a lot of time to sort through what is or isn't in a build. i can confirm first hand because this used to be my literal job to manage, which Sago has taken the mantle up for, in addition to all the other things they are responsible for.

This is why we say things are subject to change

Because they are, quite literally in the truest sense of the word.

---

One question i'd like to pose to beta chat is, how is this different than when we change items from a season to require the Pass or not? because, functionally speaking, they are nearly identical decision changes from a design perspective. But I fully understand the context and perspective I have as a designer is very different from that of players.

[placid iron]

A what now?

[rich rampart]

what are the censored terms? I made a whole paragraph and it got sniped before it even went through. was it talking about the pricing of iaps? the lack of event activities (like a quest) during seasonal events where u can earn cosmetics? or was it me raging about the ts system? or about the lack of content outside of collecting cosmetics after the base game is done? /gen
(don't remember putting profanity, but oh well)

[noble fox]

reading this chat is making me upset and i don’t even want the cat hair… i’m going to take a break

[gusty bolt]

Mr. Crabs : Money money money.
AAAHHH AHHHHH AAAAAHHHH

[hybrid wedge]

Your post contained profanity

[meager star]

There won't be any problem if they are not announce it as the candle exchange item in the first place 🤣

This is so wrong step to change it after
RIP man

[hybrid wedge]

Take care of yourself, Rivers Chat will eventually be calm again when you feel up to it!

[north stream]

The difference between changing items to need an AP to get while the season is going on is that those items will return sooner or later as igc, in traveling spirits. However making an item a 'days of ___' IAP wont. /Nm

[deep raptor]

A season pass is $10 USD, I'm assuming that this cat cape pack will be $25 USD or more. Perhaps if the individual items were priced separately, it would feel different

[tribal charm]

It obviously is.
Instead of listening to players to adjust prices of items, they hide it to make us become more passive in buying.
I guess they just tried to hide their awful past of collaboration packs, Season of Little Prince and cute stuff with candle packs to go higher than expected.

[cerulean fox]

For less items

[pliant spoke]

Tru 😭

[indigo heath]

As well, a season pass is $10 USD for a LOT of cosmetics, while this is ~20+ for… 2 cosmetics

[faint zealot]

It’s alright to me though…

[coral kite]

I think the difference is in price. You get more from the season pass with a lower price, each cosmetic costs less overall. This is what, 20 bucks for 2 cosmetics?

[terse yarrow]

Then yes, after seeing positive reaction from players, you decide to switch it to IAP, then downgrade the mask when it's from IAP to igc. Nice question.

[lean glade]

they realized that the hair was too good so they made it into an iap

[craggy elbow]

Will next build sweep this under the rug and go back, i feel even so people aren't just gonna forget it

[humble plinth]

at least change the mask back because now i don’t even want to spend candles on what’s very much just a goofy recolor of the basic mask

[lilac solstice]

Because things in passes come back eventually as igc. Even if it takes months, sometimes over a year. The problem with the cat hair being iap is it will always be iap, and never be obtainable through igc at one point. The only way a f2p player would be able to wear it is through 10-30 min limited time spells.

[hybrid wedge]

Ktjn took the time to explain the situation in good faith. There’s no need to be rude in return

[dense cosmos]

The problem lies less with the switch but rather the motivation. People made it clear that they liked the cat hair and it was in turn monetized in avarice

[terse flame]

i know the cat hair has turned iap but yk whats worse? not getting the cat hair (exp: you got the bundle last updoot and forgot the cat hair until the updoot changes)

[atomic yoke]

why isnt there better communication then so stuff like this doesn't happen every time theres a new patch. just wait until everything is final before pushing out a new patch. it just feels like the game is pushing out new stuff to make money and nothing else, they know people will buy it no matter what.
its ok to take time between patches

[desert forum]

Disagree. There is, of course, a cosmetic hierarchy because of the sole fact that societal class and classism exist. As long as you have the constructs of low / middle / high class, of course there will be an equivalent tier inside Sky -- this goes inside other games as well. It's a good marketing tactic, knowing your target audience, and knowing how to get money solely because high quality, pretty cosmetics sell.

Yes, cosmetics have power if we give it to them, if we let the game give it to us, but we also can't pretend that money doesn't have power and that pretty things doesn't have power-- the two of those things combined is worth a big penny in a game.

[tacit niche]

Answering your question: because the adventure pass is simply much cheaper, we are also usually always prepared (those who can), and of course several of the items come back for free, even after years.

Only 4 items at most never come back, however it is a much fairer price than a package of 2/3 items at most for 3/4x the price of a adventure pass, it doesn't seem fair to me.

[fierce forum]

I do think it needs to be considered that an IAP is a personal item and it never comes back, so paying for it is a one time thing. Buying a pass, where people can get all of the cosmetics for free over time, takes that part away. Technically the only thing you buy in a seasonal pass is the ultimate gift

[spring ibex]

Unpopular opinion but the new cat mask and the old cat mask SHOULD be two separate items!

I personally like the new one more due to the face that I don't really like animal face-like mask, but I do understand other people loves it!

Why not keep them both?

[steady flume]

i also don't get the change for the mask, it doesn't look very cat-like to me now

[spark walrus]

i wish they wouldnt inflate the prices with candles either

[native stump]

they always change the good stuff. seriously disappointing

[frail kite]

At least when you pay for the season, you're getting a ton of new cosmetics for it, so changing one cosmetic to be pass locked isn't a big deal. But when you change one item to an IAP for twice or even three times the price of a season pass? For one item? That's a problem.

[karmic dew]

you get 10x more value from a season pass than any IAP y’all have been putting out right now, adding onto the fact that other than ULT gifts you can get those cosmetics later. it’s especially outrageous because the community was obviously eagerly awaiting the hair. i don’t care if it was discussed before because changing it now obviously just looks like a pull for more money ALONG WITH the downgrade of the cat mask. could have at least put less salt in the wound by keeping the cat mask the same as before, i don’t see why that needed to be changed.

[vestal pier]

that actually .. happened..?

[hybrid wedge]

If we want the devs to join us in chat to have conversations with us, it’s important to meet open questions with open answers, instead of directing our anger at an individual

[vapid briar]

and you don't think we had already discussed that possibility? if it was so obvious, after all.

[spark lance]

Me as introvert player.
as an introvert player, i also look up more at cosmetics and just enjoying the beautiful view from sky. And since im just a college student that doesn't have money and now don't have much time for cr and playing. i just sit down and slowly leaving the game :"D (the cooldown XD)

[glass spoke]

i would've been happier to spend 10 bucks on the cat hair if it comes with a few candles than spend 25 on the hair and the cape

[hybrid wedge]

lol yep—do a search in the beta MEMES channel for something like during:2019-11-04 or maybe November 9th

[vapid briar]

so is it a complaint about the item being switched or about the mask being unattractive? which are two very different topics

[naive arrow]

I'm still trying to give everyone support, but it's getting harder because I'm incredibly upset myself. I want our voices to be heard, I want justice. We are right about everything. It may not be easy for us now, but we are now like one big team, one for all and all for one. Cooldown doesn't let me write often, but I just want to support you all and praise you. You guys are great, the sky players are amazing. We will succeed! I believe in us!💖💖💖

[rapid reef]

Excuse me to say this but.. It doesn't sound like the communication in the devs team is that great.

And as for your questions. Both aren't the same, so trying to merge them as similar isn't quite it. As of right now, the IAP price are hidden, meaning people can't even start saving for them to buy on first rendition. The added factor is that IAP will never return as IGC while seasonal cosmetics on spirits will. So they are two entirely separate thing and can't be seen as equal or similar in nature.

[spark lance]

I'm so sad that they made cat ear hair a iap and mask free I was so happy that I could buy it with candles but now um so disappointed 😭

[flat willow]

omg you remember even the date... that traumatic was it? (also whoa big emoji idk why it did that omg)

[proven orbit]

its the little prince IAP outrage all over again

[ashen tusk]

Awww cat hair is IAP now

[narrow current]

As to your question at the bottom end of your text, the answer is quite easy. Spirit items will return with the dated travelling spirit system eventually. Iap items dont return for over a year after they came or even dont return ( looking at the pride single flower for this example since other iaps like white flower have understandable reasons as to why not to come back ) the reason is these ap locked items will eventually be free, will eventually return. And while in the design perspective they are identical decisions, they are not identical to the people consuming your product which should be prioritized over avarice.

Also the complaint is both about the hair and the mask simultaneously, responding to another message You sent since this cooldown is horrid. And its hard to discuss with someone without a cooldown when yours is 11 minutes long

[hybrid wedge]

There are some moments in a mod’s life they will never forget

[dull fog]

❤️ <- support to the devs

[vapid briar]

we swapped the rainbow pants from IAP to IGC, there are plenty of y'all who were around for both events testing, this shouldn't come as a shock that things change.

[toxic ether]

This. THIS.

[misty bone]

nah, this is closer to the yellow brolly beta outrage... TLP one is all IAP previously

[potent peak]

it is different because the season pass is much cheaper, and people regularly purchase it to access many cosmetics

the cat hair is extremely widely wanted, much more expensive, and comes with 1 additional item in the pack

to our perspective, it looks like tgc saw how many people wanted the cat hair and decided to try and milk as much profit from it as possible

[vapid briar]

so if it had debuted as an IAP, would you feel the same, or is it strictly because it was changed?

[wispy glen]

"That of players???"
Why a moth can't have a cat hair?
Newbies should have a hope for playing too
Imagine a moth seeing all these IAPs when the event starts in Live
If I were them I would quit

[twin isle]

Backreading this chat has me winded hope tgc will make the cat hair igc again tho. Even if it was a miscommunication and mistake now that people have seen it was planned at some point to be igc they won't be backing down.

[gilded parrot]

You want me to play you a lullaby or what?

[spark lance]

Thats just one of the few little things you have done, what about the rage we needed to show y’all to make the prince suit no iap. It took us days for you to understand us, it’s really sad.

[willow sapphire]

Because everyone loved the cat hair that the first day it came, beta peeps were talking about it. Second, because you guys hide the price and let us guess how much it will costs but one thing I’m sure it will be expensive, why? Because the cat hair is included in the pack right? The Marshmallow Kit with Seasonal Candles costs $20 so I assume the cat pack would be $25-30. Third, Items from TS will surely come back, hence players got the pass or not

[rough falcon]

Couldn't have said it better myself. the season pass is 10 bucks. knowing tgc, the cat hair will be 30. For 2 cosmetics. That's ridiculous

[rotund reef]

This chat just became one big days of feast dinner table in which all of the players, mods, and devs are having a family feud.

[nocturne dew]

The difference is that many of the seasonal items are still obtainable later with in game currency. For some players that are in Sky for the long haul (season of Gratitude moth here) if we skip a pass we still have a crack at some of the cosmetics later. An AIP may not return. Or if it does and especially around the start of a new season players may only have the budget for one or the other. Most of us will go for a season pass in that case because we get “more” out of it. Tbh I think a good solution would be to either up the candles needed and keep cat hair as IGC. OR separate it from the bundle and charge 4.99 or whatever for each thing. I know a lot of people have said it but I agree that even if cat hair stays as an AIP it would drive FAR more sales overall if it were priced reasonably by itself. I personally don’t like the bundles. I rarely buy them and when I do it’s usually for ONE item that I really want. All these bundles plus past event items PLUS several AIPs in Aurora season is a small fortune. It’s a bit painful for the player base. I think most people just want to feel like they aren’t being raked over the coals. I also love the idea of cat ear accessories as an AIP and the hair left as IGC. it would be nice to see more of this sort of thing - two somewhat similar items and the one with more “perks” (like wearing with any hairstyle) being the one that’s an AIP. Sorry for the txt wall. Just wanted to explain my thoughts clearly. 👻

[gray moat]

may i ask the reasoning behind why the mask changed from a feline to the current state (if you know the reason why)?

[hallow zinc]

cat hair ❌ IAP 🙁. Please

[placid iron]

The rainbow headphones costed $15 (same as an AP) and it was only one item.. (worth it though lmao I love the design + i can have headphones considering I'm an android player)

[regal mica]

I’m really confused about the topic y’all are discussing, cuz in my opinion it’s not so important

[kindred bronze]

Guess I’m the only one who doesn’t see the fuss didn’t like the hair anyways

[worthy stirrup]

Is very important.

[covert junco]

#savecathair

[hybrid wedge]

@regal mica If you’d like to discuss a different topic, you’re free to start a conversation here

[short sage]

i agree with not supporting or paying for any of these events. and i won’t. i was thinking about paying for Aurora since i am a huge fan of their music, but i don’t like what TGC is doing. and i don’t support it. i’d rather play the game at its bare minimum but as a little moff, that’s so extremely hard to do. this game is so hard to play as a disabled person who can’t pay for anything in the app. the flashing lights, the shaking screen, the super expensive cosmetics… (not to mention how people treat you when you do or don’t have certain cosmetics) i mean i love this game and i see all the care and heart that’s gone into it, and i appreciate that so much, but at the end of the day, if you are parading around as pure and so welcoming and friendship is magic, but are more bigoted and ableist than you started?? i mean…. you’ve done more bad than good. and that can change, but for now. i’m disappointed. i really am.

[spark lance]

Bro, stop arguing with a developer lmao, u guys are being extremely toxic rn, if things keep going like this don't get surprised if the cat hair doesn't make his way to live 💀

[queen ridge]

But why since cat mask is no longer been an iap changed not pretty than before😧

[spark lance]

First of all thank you for the response. The difference as someone before me now has said is that the changes are permanent for the "days of" events. If something get locked behind a pay wall, people without the money will never be able to get it. That's not the case with adventure passes since we have traveling spirits.
At the end of the day, if the hair was intendent to be an IAP or not, we would still like it to not be. In the end there's also a big price difference at steak, since yall put the hair in a bundle. Making it even more expensive when I'm sure you aware people don't like the prices of just a single item. Like I said IN MY OPINION, I would feel the SAME about the hair even if it started out as an IAP. I think free to play players deserve a nice gender neutral FREE hair.
We are giving feedback right now to make the hair in game currency item. Doesn't matter what the hair was planned out to be. I hope you understand what I mean.

TO THE MODS:
Please make the cooldown smaller, it's impossible to have a conversation right now. Ktjn is asking us questions but we can literally NOT answer because of it. I would like to actually have a discussion.

[languid violet]

Tbh tgc owes us an explanation instead of the "that's what we do take it or leave it" attitude as always
I really hate to say this but it's heartbreaking when I feel like the team making the game I used to have so much respect for didn't seem to care about players feelings anymore

[gilded parrot]

@spark lance, Beta testers do not receive information in advance and no one knows when something will happen. Please check out #news for Live announcements and #beta-announcements for what's currently being tested in Beta.

[zealous spindle]

it is important

[jagged grove]

It's mostly about poor communication and lack of transparency between the community and devs

[rich rampart]

that's my bad then. I didn't notice ty for informing me. didn't mean to have profanity in the comment wanted to bring up real issues in the message

[north stream]

I think we would have reacted differently, i personally felt a bit sad when it was changed to IAP because we got such a nice looking item as an in game currency item! Which made me pretty happy - and it then being changed to IAP made me kinda sad and a bit annoyed i suppose. ( Mainly bc my f2p friend wouldn't be able to get it ) I don't really care about it now I'm just tol tired to care anymore /nm

[vapid briar]

good question! The first version didn't meet the standards of sky outfits and has been slated for a rework for i think 2 weeks. but remodeling, and iterations take time so it wasn't updated for the first build. i am not an artist so i cannot speak to details beyond it didn't make the cut.

[oblique dirge]

We don’t know if the cat hair will come as a iap in live yet,like I said things may be changed soon it will come to live.

[winged gust]

To truthfully answer your question, it is absolutely different when y'all flip flop around which cosmetics in a season are for normal participants or SP buyers, because seasons come with much more cosmetics over an extended amount of time.
And if someone is to buy the SP, they're getting more bang for their buck. They're spending $10 USD to work well, and get a wide array of cosmetics, and even their own Ultimate Gifts.
This is also not to mention, all Season Spirit cosmetics, F2P or not, eventually come back as Traveling Spirits!!!!!! These event iAPs never come back for candle amounts. They always return as iAPs.

As someone who's low income and a penny pincher, $10 USD for a pass that gets me 12-20 cosmetics, even with the work needed included, is so much more worth it than whatever $10 to $20 to even $30 USD cosmetic pack y'all release for a 2 week event.
So many people here were looking forward to a pleasant looking cosmetic actually being igc, just like the Little Prince pants were, but now that's gone. And it's been swapped for a mask that has completely changed from how appealing it once was.

As upset as this may sound, it's not my intention to come off that way. I just wanna genuinely answer your question. It is my doubt that and of the staff who're taking their time to respond to us should be put to blame. There's so much going on in the background that we don't understand, but it's my wish that y'all be more open in the future.
Especially with the Days of Rainbow donations' location still not being disclosed. Like... :/
The trust is being lost here. And I think the higher-ups need to do some hard thinkin'.

[keen stirrup]

Off topic to the current main discussion but, if Aurora were to hold a concert in the Valley Arena, I wonder how the servers would hold up

[swift yarrow]

😕 make cat hair to in game currency item please, we need cool hairstyle that costs candles, not "real money".

[hybrid wedge]

Ktjn’s been in the chat multiple times to talk about this and give context to things that aren’t always visible to us from this end of things

[urban raft]

Oh now this is something I find interesting, so the current mask is in the process of completely being reworked and that’s why it has its current appearance?

[viscid marten]

I think actually if it had been an iap at the start then many wouldn't be arguing about it, or at least I wouldn't be. because to some, it seems as if tgc saw how popular the cat hair was and so decided to make it an iap to get more profit from it, even if that wasn't the original intention.

[vernal plover]

the only thing i disagree with whats being said in this chat by most is that ive been playing for a while and while mot the most socially butterfly player ive never had a interaction where someone was straight up mean about what i was wearing or not bc how would they know??? why would they care??? in my opinion if those people do exist ingore them bc you have better things to do then worry about a stranger 10000 miles away from you not liking your virtual avatar

[worldly creek]

8 players as usual

[humble plinth]

i swear this happens every time you change an igc item to an iap, except this time it’s extra large because it’s a hair that players like and have wanted for a long time
i semi agree with the changes to that, but i just don’t get why you would downgrade the mask to keep it as a igc cosmetic as that would mean way less people would buy it and tbh it feels like bad move

[atomic yoke]

i think i remember one year all the proceeds went to a charity and this year only a portion which they never disclosed. very funny 🥱/s

[terse flame]

ktjn, please send beta players cat hair for those who got the bundle last update but not the cat hair

[idle plaza]

Cat hair is ok for you to change the gift pack, but don't update the cat mask is so ugly after

[spark lance]

Not everyone is lurking in chat 24/7. Maybe make an official post about it. But wait Ktjn mentioned that some things are lost in communication between devs so the post are wrong sometimes.. also some tgc employees aren’t able to make official posts…. Yea I think there’s just a general communication issue that frustrates people no matter how you look at it.

[faint zealot]

agree

[indigo heath]

sorry if I’m not supposed to tag reply mods I’m not active in this server at all 😭
I’ve been waiting to answer this- personally I feel like the feedback would be a lot different?
From what I’ve seen, what a lot of people are angry about is how it was made an IAP after there was so much feedback for it
Which ik might have not have been the intention, but like others have said, it makes it feel like a cash grab because of the popularity it got
Just my two cents!!

[main bridge]

Hello is there elder masks of valley waste & vault now?

[strong moon]

Doesn't the cat's mask return before the change?

[silver mural]

I'm fine with cat hair becoming an IAP cuz I can manage to have it. But the cat mask, why did they change it?... Feeling like they don't respect F2P, I'm really disappointed

[pale folio]

im surprised this whole thing is still going on until now 💀

[regal gorge]

Same

[untold oxide]

i was kind of upset about it mostly because it was changed, but i think there still would be complaints because it adds to the amount of iap items compared to igc items

[native stump]

but it was a good change, a change that everyone was happy with. But the current one is so disappointing and sad

[cinder chasm]

Most people would not care it it was originally marked as an iap, it would just be another cool iap bundle. it was more the change that was the issue since people had gotten really excited already, especially if it was decided in advance and not communicated

[karmic dew]

you didn’t even acknowledge a thing i said. the complaint is the way you went about the change is bad. you switched something into an IAP and then downgraded the thing you swapped out, leaving people without money to get less out of the swap than before. i don’t care if this is rude i’m frustrated with the F2P players here, even as someone with a good amount of income.

[lilac solstice]

Clearly you haven't been around in beta chats in the past lol. This is nothing compared to some beta fires

[deep raptor]

I honestly would not have minded if the cat hair was an IAP initially, because ik that at the end of the day TGC has to make money. My gripes are with the pricing and the fact that these items frequently come in packs. I would not mind spending even $15 for this cat hair, however since it is in with the cat cape it is more likely to be priced at near $25.

Honestly a major reason why this is such a big deal to so many players is probably due to the lack of transparency when it comes to IAPs (and the increased prices), especially since estimated prices have been removed from beta. This has been a festering conversation for a while now and I believe that this cat hair is merely a boiling point. I don't think many of the past "days of" events have had attractive cosmetics for IGC, and it has been getting under many players skin.

[languid furnace]

people are making extremely valid points and bringing up issues that have been apparent for quite a while now.

[past jacinth]

I'm not it's infuriating how greedy they are

[spark lance]

do you know how long it will take you to get the Elder masks? 1550 And what do you need to get them all, and by the calculations, you would have to do Eden in 107 weeks, which is literally 2 years.
TGC, what the heck???
It seems that they don't really think about us consumers and they think that someone will have the patience to be able to make that damn Eden every week

[tribal charm]

Yea but the thing here is
We expected it to be around US$5, because it is just a remake from the iOS players' headphones with "RGB-fancy" headbands, that's all.
I personally like those headphones more because the pair is bigger and more golden, rather than faint grey on both ears and being an expensive IAP.

[vestal pier]

if this is still going on tomorrow especially after school i’m definitely getting some popcorn my headphones and i’ll just read everything

[spark lance]

At first I was so happy about days if mischief I was like wow we finally have a nice free item and the iap is fair too
But now that it changed I personally think days of mischief just got so boring and I personally really don't like the mask and was so excited for the hair
But seems like when tgc saw how many people like that hair decided to make it their own benefit to make money 💰 😂

[narrow current]

Its interesting how the less detailed answers to dev questions in the chat are answered before the more detailed ones with more points and arguments. Not accusing of anything but just saw it as interesting.
(Ping off)

[uncut iris]

The mask was so cool now it became too normal. damn I really need the cat ear hair and the mask switch position again! I will literally cry if kitty is not free

[craggy elbow]

If people doesn't discuss changes that feel unfair and greedy how else will they know they disappointed a big chunk of the beta playerbase in less than 24 hours

[pliant kettle]

Trying to keep my composure, it’s not that big of a deal but why did they have to replace the cat mask with the cat hair? Everyone including myself was so excited for it! With all the low down events going around this doesn’t make it any better, the shard events are hard and way more stressful, eden is just- yeah I’m not even going to get into seasons but sky is starting to get a bit boring and irritating if you ask me

[marsh plinth]

This is so

[potent peak]

if it had debuted as an iap id still be disappointed, but i wouldnt feel cheated. the change from igc to iap implies (imo) that after it was released in the beta, there was some reaction from the community that caused it to change.

that or the decision still wasnt final before releasing it into the beta, which in that case should have been specified. it was said that the cat hair was 'planned' to be an igc

[hollow falcon]

Okay, I don't really need the cat mask but why tgc, I was so happy that the cat hair will be igc but then you turned it into iap!

[hybrid wedge]

If folks want to read what Ktjn or other devs have said, honestly I’d just encourage them to do a search.

frustrates people no matter how you look at it
You know, I think that part of it is, as players, we want to know everything and we want to be in the loop on all the changes and all the news. And folks from TGC do share what they can, but a lot of times there are just things they can’t say—maybe because it’s internal-only, maybe because it’s WIP, or they don’t know, or a decision hasn’t been made, or there’s a legal issue involved, or it’s a business matter that would hurt them if a rival company knew.

So, each side does their best, but there are very real reasons why we won’t always be able to get all the info we want on demand

[opaque cipher]

Can someone link me to a picture of the before and after of the mask

[ashen tusk]

Personally I don't see these two instances as equivalent. The rainbow pants feedback, at least from what I could see in this chat, was that having them behind a paywall was unfair for three reasons - because they were reskins, and because queer people should be able to express themselves without paying for it all the time, and older f2p players who already had the previous year's items wouldn't be getting anything new to look forward to. It was in the interest in the LGBTQ community to have swapped it from IAP to igc imho, but if this wasn't the intention behind the change then that's fine. That's just how it came across. Whereas this instance feels very different.

I guess on tgc's behalf there's no reason to provide the community with reasons for changes or reverting back, but I think it's clear a lot of players are simply disappointed in the choice to take a well liked item that started out as igc and make it IAP. Whilst everything in beta is subject to change and we're well aware of that - the IGC to IAP swaps are always going to be met with upset because you're taking away a f2p aspect entirely. If it was the other way around, cat mask enthusiasts might agree here, from IAP to igc, that's a nice opportunity for those who loved that mask but didn't think they'd be able to get it because IAP.

Also with this cooldown I'm sorry if we've already moved on to something else, it's hard to have a discussion with a 10 minute wait when you guys don't have the same limit as us

[vital sentinel]

//phase in
Why do I feel that the last quest will be AURORA's unreleased song
//phase out

[steel warren]

[echo mason]

How's the war 👉👈

[feral marlin]

every time an IGC got a lot of attention from player, they go right into IAP

[atomic hawk]

8 + games

[terse yarrow]

Ktjn you missed the point. It's not the IAP or igc anymore. It's about treatment toward player. How many item we got as igc, and what's the price. Remember when the days of rainbow, we complained a lot for getting no new igc until you change rainbow pant to igc, and you added rainbow headset as IAP.

[spark lance]

Its important, tgc KEEPS turbine the good things into iap! Not everyone can afford that. They care more about the money than the actual game play. Devs are just making excuses right now instead of giving a good explanation, and the mods right now are deleting feedback like wth?? and making people like you with ‘normal’ comments, pass by nicely. Dude this is about the cat hair, but tgc fails to care for players opinions. Pretty sad if you ask me.

[gray moat]

interesting, thank you for the response! i wonder if there would be a way to reincorporate the style that the first build had into the current build as a mixmatch or a 'middle ground' of sorts? i loved the design of the first iteration but i can also see why it may not necessarily fit the world of sky in that state, however i also see why the current state feels like a recolor with reshaped eyes.

(cooldown pls let me speak)

[flat willow]

its probably bc they have better things to do than to read a 5 paragraph wall text but i do agree that there are some good points being delivered here :U also chat clamed down pls make it a 5 min cooldown jeez

[autumn path]

Yes, I also don't understand the communication issue between the team. And if there are issues between things being said in this discord and what's being said in official posts-- probably don't come in here with the former because of the mix-ups that can happen. It just doesn't seem professional to answer questions that don't have an official statement from the team and/or that end up having a different answer later on, but man, maybe I'm wrong 🤷🏾 I genuinely don't understand why they can take the time to sit down and hash out IAPs but not the community dev / posting side where the announcements are absolutely critical to getting information out to your audience and making sure everyone internally and externally are on the same page before you post

[rocky nest]

LOWER THE COOLDOWN

[tulip lake]

ktjn joined it, seems like this chat is about to burn up a bit again

[worthy stirrup]

Yes !!! This will take too much time, but is to keep us in the game, but it's really difficult for newbies, i don't think that is worth it, similar with the prices of the second level of capes, too much hearts for something that has a lazy design.

[short sage]

i suppose our problem is that we are angry that TGC doesn’t seem to care. you didn’t when shattering came. we heard nothing from you guys. we just want to know that you still have us, the veterans the new players the moths the little guys the middleman, in mind. we want to be shown that you care, and i suppose ‘taking’ away the cat hair from us (even if it might be TEMPORARY. skybot i said TEMPORARY) made us feel as though you never will. i understand that’s not how you want to come off, but it’s how it seems. sending one dev after us to tell us to shut up,, well. i suppose i understand. this is an overwhelming amount of hate, and i’m sorry. but it’s more than just ‘cat hair is expensive now, boo hoo us’. it’s ‘we want to know that you still listen to us like you said you would. we want to be cared for, just like how we care for this game’. that’s all i suppose

[prisma quiver]

i don't usually chat but popping in to share my opinion- the paywalls in the game are really just getting increasingly higher, which makes an already repetitive game so much more tedious for people who choose to play without spending money.
as a f2p player who has been around for almost three years now it's not like i have a problem with iaps; i get it, some cosmetics are exclusive for people who choose to spend extra and support the game, that's completely fine. but to start, the pricing on these cosmetics seem to just be getting higher, which seems kind of ironic for a game who chooses to put so much emphasis on creating a nice and fair community to be doing so as their fan base grows larger, while also making the game feel like it was made just as some profit push instead of for the sake of actually pleasing its players. not only that, but it's also just increasingly painful for people who simply can't afford to splurge on the game?? a combination of seeing all the nicer cosmetics being put behind a paywall while also only finding rather lackluster cosmetics provided to f2p users each event is just super disheartening. having been around a long time, there isn't anything about the game that i enjoy anymore. when i play sky, i don't play for the game since it seems so pointless, but for the community. though, with nothing to look forward to it's just all in all painful.
at first seeing the cat hair being placed as an igc item gave me such a serotonin boost that i didn't know still existed from the game, since i've been in burnout for over half a year now, but having that taken away immediately was such a slap in the face. maybe stupid cause it's 'only a cosmetic', but this fr just makes me not wanna log into either live or beta anymore :T
i don't expect any changes to be made, since a lot of the community's opinions have just flown by without being acknowledged, but ig i've still just got to hope that it does.

[hybrid wedge]

Yo. We don’t delete feedback. If a feedback post is zapped, it’s because it contains language (like profanity and slurs) that are censored by the BOT everywhere else on the server.

And honestly? I can’t be bothered to read all the feedback posts. I have a life to live and chat channels to moderate

[forest laurel]

I can't believe what sky did to change the hairstyle of ears for that mask. I mean, it's not enough for them to hide the prices and they do these things not to be like that. and still sure to sell it at a high price

[hallow zinc]

don't do that 🙁❌. Cat hair ❌ IAP

[cerulean lance]

The cat hair pls

[novel aspen]

Truthfully, if it was an IAP since the beginning I’d still be disappointed. It’s so painfully cute and versatile, as are many of the IAPs, and us F2Ps just don’t have access to that.
Regardless, changing it from free to paid and then downgrading the mask it was switched with was what made the situation far worse than it needed to be (in my opinion)
Again, I’d still be upset if it was released as an IAP initially, but yeah… as a F2P you kinda get used to missing out on most of the “special” clothing anyways, but this just stung a bit more than normal

[swift yarrow]

true this, when i saw it being igc yesterday i felt so afraid i'll feel disappointed by the change. and it's true 🗿💀 I feel very disappointed that they changed it from igc to iap.

it'd be really cool to have a good halloweeen hairstyle that's not IAP this october

i like cat themed items. if i can't have the cape and backpack then please.. at least i hope i can have that cat hairstyle.

[hazy kayak]

F2P players also wanna enjoy some good stuffs
I'm disappointed so much

[rain latch]

Did you see the mask now it doesn't even look like a cat anymore 🥺

[dense cosmos]

Possibility of what? I didn't state anything was obvious, I simply gave my take on the situation. This isn't the only reason players are upset, it's just another drop in the bucket that has now created a splash.

[zealous spindle]

Enviemos nuestras opiniones también a #beta-feedback

[lyric crag]

it looks more of a crab mask now

it doesn't really deserve the name of a crab mask the crabs deserve a better mask design

[covert junco]

It's just going to be another event with free recycled cosmetics, it's not surprising at all...

[spark lance]

@hybrid wedge yes it would be totally valid if the information WAS internal-only. But it wasn't, it was shared with us in the patch notes yesterday so, yes, I do think it was our deal since it was literally shared with us by the devs themselves.

I hope you mean just you as a moderator can't be bothered to read the feedback, not the devs. Since that would feel like a real punch in the gut. What would feedback even be for then?

My issue is that there's so so many more iaps coming up, always looking cooler than the ONE new item in return for the free players. And now that we had a good FREE item and then got turned to a IAP..?? Its awful. Especially since it was done later when they saw it was actually a good hair.. felt awful.

Please make the cooldown five minutes please

[upper elbow]

Soo... Has the sky revolution ended and the cat hair is now free??👉👈

[still mauve]

So are we ever gonna receive the cat hair back or not? Cuz atp this is going nowhere with the arguments

[jagged grove]

Before i go back into lurking, but when it comes to the point that your testers, let alone your community, is beginning to question certain decisions; then that's the part that is concerning. I don't mean to disrespect but that's what I'm seeing Anyway, much love to you all! Remember to take care of yourselves!! ♥️

[tacit niche]

"we want a transparent cape": they give a IAP scarf (nor does it return)
"we want cat items": how about a package for $30 or more, halloween event!! (obviously it will be at these prices)
"i want a krill cape": yay, supreme of shattering
"I want a new headset": hey, check our new IAP at rainbow event!
"i want more fluffy capes...": Christmas IAP, reeskin of an existing one!!!
"i want another table...": how about this table extremely expensive on halloween? two weeks for you to get it huhh!!!!
can't we have things we want while we are poor? or Sky wants to simulate real life?

[tame pasture]

Does this mean there's at least a possibility we might have something similar to the original design by the time Mischief goes live? I really liked the cat mask and was initially excited it became an ICG item.

[hybrid wedge]

I’m a moderator—my job as a moderator is to keep the peace in the channels. The devs handle the feedback! I just wanted to clarify that point

[analog bramble]

It's not about the money, it's about the attitude

[graceful widget]

Even games have capitalism

[dawn oxide]

It's not about the cosmetic, it's about the friends we made along the way

[placid iron]

Ik this is completely offtopic but Nagati your pfp is gold lmao

[grand sapphire]

U.

[umbral egret]

Can they really see our feedback? Do they care about our disappointment?

[novel chasm]

As a person that lives in a country that is banned from the PayPal world wich it means I can't buy anything from out of my country I was happy to have the cat hair ..
Now what ??...:[

[fervent ridge]

Honestly since days of rainbow (and before) people already showed discomfort with the amount of iaps.... And then we keep coming to the same over and over... This topic won't ever end until a end line is put, and that's when also TGC understands it.

Now swapping the cat hairstyle to iap and absolutely say nothing about the change or why, of course would ended up fuel the anger

[thin bridge]

guy,the cat hair changed to buy?

[fierce forum]

A lot of the people complaining are the same people that claim they play this game simply for the social aspect. (Everyone that says they get left out, not having "cool outfits", why would you want to play with people that care about your skykids look in the first place?) But as soon as cosmetics testing comes around, everyone loses it. I understand this is seen as feedback, but please keep it respectful and considerate.

[narrow current]

Why bother to be in chat at all if there are better things to do?
One commits to what they are doing espciallu if its important. If they ask a question they are asking for well written answers with many points, so if they cant read those answers, why ask in the first place. It is what it is
Not to mention this same dev said they come from a 12 hour shift and their ability to read is deteriorated too, are they even in a state where reading or replying to messages should be their priority if they cant?

Sorry for the late reply, this cooldown is horrendous

[languid bear]

I also like cat-like mask...
I hope it return with advanced mold

[spark lance]

It's getting interesting yet it's tired to see it more. I just hope the staff hear us and do some analysis and good actions to change in game. instead of disappointing us more. 🙂 y'all did a great job staff, but this. y'all need the right actions to make everything calm down instead left the fire to spreading.
Still, good luck. i know y'all staff is doing your best.
(even though later they low down the price later, yet i can't still buy anything lmao 💸)
Have a nice day everyone.

[pliant kettle]

This. I mean it doesn’t even look like a cat mask anymore and won’t match anything it’s a bit stupid, they saw how much people loved the cat hair so they thought they could use that as an advantage to make money. Isn’t very fair ESPECIALLY considering how seasons and events etc are going. If you ask me

[brittle raft]

im just gonna be honest, TGC is killing the game with player-unfriendly changes (afk timer, changes to gift sending, changes to likes that amount to hearts) which specially harm newer players and sometimes make no sense (how are we meant to use the afk wax generators if we can't even afk in them?)

TGC is killing the game with candle prices for TS/days of events rising exponentially in something I could only label as some sort of currency power-creep. the current environment, specially with how many iaps there is and a lack of nice looking igc items is disheartening for newer players who want to simply look nice. Seasons are being constantly rushed and they reach live with lots of glitches or straight-up incomplete - didn't you guys get rid of season pass preordering to be able to give yourselves more time to work on them?. Beta feedback is, a lot of the times, straight up ignored.

There's lots of vets who genuinely love this game and want to see it thrive, but TGC's stubbornness and this overall vibe that gives mamy players the feel that you think you know better our needs than us is making lots of people give up in trying to improve it. The game is just a constant grind because nobody sticks around for enough time other than vets who are way too attached to this game and the money/time spent in it to leave.

I need you all to try think of what the players NEED and WANT. Please. we don't feel listened to, we feel like our feedback is getting sent to the shadow realm because things don't change.

and with that I'll go to sleep.

[orchid pilot]

i have the feeling that the cat mask will also be iap along with hair and cape

[nimble lava]

Oo reactions have been turned off I see-

[chilly drift]

Part the cat's hair! Give us a choice. I don't feel any respect for Halloween goodies😭

[spark lance]

All that's left is for TGC to start selling Eden Candles
Lol

[nocturne dew]

Guys just also a reminder that it’s okay to feel your feelings and express that you hope TGC is getting our feedback and listening. But just because it’s not “solved” or changed immediately doesn’t mean we should discount the feedback channels and our own feedback. Changes like this in the past are not done in hours but usually days or more. Patience and persistent, concise, and polite feedback are key. It’s almost 11pm here in California so nothin is gonna happen tonight lol. And it’s nice enough that Ktjn is in here asking questions and surely taking notes.

[grand swallow]

I do agree not to make cat hair iap, it's like tgc is trying to make any object that most people like iNTO iap so they can charge them. I have money to buy it but it is just not fair to those who is poor or young. And for the cat mask, i still don't know why they decide to make it like the last season mask, at first it looks really new and cool but now it just look like something they reuse again and again

[spark walrus]

my thoughts. i missed the iaps last year because i thought they were expensive (i was a new player) and was planning to get at least the witch hat this year. i wasnt too crazy about the cat hair but i was happy that it was an igc item. the mask was downgraded, I've been struggling to keep up the grind in sky due to personal life and issues i might find solace in skipping all the new cosmetics altogether.

[reef spire]

I really really hope they'll change the mask back, this is extremely disappointing that the only free thing is becoming so boring. It feels like they low the free items just because they're free.

[broken jackal]

halloween is dead

[merry ivy]

Actually about this and a few other complaints....if the game is theretically a worldwide game TGC should localize value with the countries imo. I see a lot of people noting IAPs are hugely expensive and theyve said they do feedback. I worry that it might be ignored in favor of keeping it in dollars for the company?

Is there anyone who can vouch on this issue?

[hybrid wedge]

@narrow current You don’t have to like the answers that Ktjn gives, but it’s not cool to take a gesture of good faith on their part, to spend time in a chat poised to spring on them after an already long day at work, and use it to indirectly insult them.

[rapid reef]

Feel like I need to resend this message to make sure people see it;
TGC's predatory marketing need to be slowed down. It's ridiculous and defending them is only going to give them more freedom to do as they please while disregarding the community.

TGC has grown more and more predatory toward it's paying player-base by creating a fear of missing out early game. The game has become heavily cosmetics centered and it show because instead of working toward fixes, small events that don't have cosmetics, everything has cosmetics.

It's not just about pixels, it's about the disrespect TGC has been showing their player base. Back in sanctuary, it was still fine but I have only seen TGC get greedier and greedier. They don't even allow their player a break.

Added bits; TGC is not our friend. They had shown in the past to have been against their players with their aggressive push for us to play how they want us to and not how we experience the game.

[flat willow]

First of all, i agree the cooldown is a big 💀 rn but yeah, im not excusing them, but since they're a community manager they probably skimmed through the comments to see the general gist of opinions and thoughts, does it excuse it? idk really but what i was trying to say is that is prolly not that deep 🤷‍♂️

[proper glen]

in high school ten years ago, i played littlebigplanet 1 and 2 on the ps3. the online community had a vivid fashion scene akin to sky, and had dlc based on other games you could buy to customize your character. i don't remember the most expensive prices, but i remember a good number being free or as little as $0.99. you didn't just get one costume item, you got a whole outfit or more

i could get maybe 10 outfits in that game for $25

i could buy more than 5 indie games, with more tangible longevity

i could gas up my car

i could buy groceries

it's price-gouging, plain and simple

[vapid briar]

gonna tackle a few things in your post:

• What proof do you have that mods delete feedback? staff sees literally everything that goes in and out of the feedback channels, there is zero way for feedback to be deleted by a mod without staff knowing. while sometimes a post may get deleted for violating community guidelines. and it's warranted because it's not "public" people say some pretty awful things. we see this accusation a lot, and it's completely unfounded.

• as for the "fails to care for player opinions" i spend a nontrivial portion of my work day going over feedback that community collects, and discussing it, both in terms of what we will and will not change. a lack of change does not mean lack of listening or caring.

I have been in here for hours fielding questions and giving insight even though my workday ended a while ago. I haven't eaten dinner, skipped spending time with my partner, and canceled hanging out with friends tonight to be here answering questions. but sure, do go on about not caring.

[hybrid wedge]

@rapid reef reposting the same messages here will not make it more likely to reach TGC. To send your feedback to TGC, please post it in #beta-feedback if you haven’t already.

Otherwise, repeatedly posting the same thing, no matter how impassioned, crossed the line into spam territory

[gusty bolt]

Review bombing is always an option. It's a low scummy move, but it's always an option.

[stiff tusk]

No not really,
It could result in us losing the game completly
They know we're not happy, but they have their reasons
We might not agree but review bombing wont help

[spark lance]

Yea encouraging research would be the best thing but it just feels weird to me to search what every dev has recently said to hopefully get some news on a topic I am confused about.
Also I don’t need every answer sometimes I just want acknowledgment or a warning. Like what ktjn is doing right now. I feel a lot better just from them answering questions and you know COMMUNICATING. But again I had no idea ktjn was here earlier and I had no idea that tgc new how upset people are. But they can’t make any official post most of the time and I didn’t think to search for any unofficial comments.

[burnt mist]

yes I hope since Sky is mostly kids they also review bomb school apps so those hopefully get taken down. If y'all want something to review bomb start with IXL pls 🤞🏾

[karmic kindle]

Shout out to the person who put down a table and asked if they can try the cat prop on me instead of just yeeting me. U a real one 💪

[upper silo]

Yea😔

[keen stirrup]

You would be separated into multiple different servers with 8 players max from different separated seats, meanwhile Aurora and the devs would be able to see everyone

[thorn temple]

Review bombing seems unnessacary at the moment, im upset about this situation too. But, its only beta, this is still subject to change.

[safe grove]

I just feel everything needs money now, I play like 2 years and I just feel my white candle become useless. I buy every iap, but I don’t think it’s worth the price.

[naive solar]

They can see your feedback, however I genuinely don't think they care. The pricing of items have been discussed for months on beta and on live, and those discussions lead me to think that the feedback that was sent to TGC were mostly unhappy about the prices and the content we get. Again, we discussed it for months, only to end up with no good result, and TGC doing what they've always been doing.

[worthy stirrup]

Yes !!! This discussion is not only because of the cat hair, so many things has happened with the game that this only spilled the drop from the cup, TGC brings more seasons and more cosmetics so quickly and forget about the millions of bugs that ruin the experience in the game, ohhhh but for increase the prices of IAP cosmetics they don't forget, i love this game but also bugs ruin a lot the experience, it seems like they only care about the money, giving to us some cosmetics with lazy design, recycled cosmetics, increasing the difficulty to get cosmetics IGC and IAP cosmetics, now with the ultimate elder protector masks that to get them, we will have to spend years in the game to get it, i love this game so much but the experience is being so annoying and ruined because of some bad desisions.

[paper fable]

We appreciate it KTJN, but please remember to keep your health in priority, take a break and eat

Where’s Sky Bot to say something about this?

[worldly creek]

That won’t happen given we never have more than 8 players per server. I would love more players per server though.

[upper elbow]

@vast marlin Welcome to beta event testing discussion, aka the sky revolution war.

[lilac solstice]

No. No it won't. You are valid to feel upset about this, I am upset too, but acting aggressively and doing such things won't get your point across any more.

[ashen tusk]

Ktjn please take care of yourself and have something to eat and rest a while. I just woke up so honestly I don't know how much has been going on prior to this, but if you've been working all day and you've taken further time after you've clocked off to drop by here and field angry responses (to be fair some are valid, we do deserve to express our emotional responses as well, as long as we remain polite and don't throw around insults remember beta buds) then you must be exhausted.

Take a break, let us all simmer down here too, we can bounce off of one another for a while on our opinions and leave feedback. We just appreciate knowing that tgc are listening and taking on board what we say, but not to the detriment of your own health.

[gray moat]

i know you chose to do this to help keep the fires down but please at least eat soon and get some R&R? your health is more important than beta's fires

[gray steppe]

I saw some ppl count it, we will need three years to collect all of elder mask and elder clothes (if we going eden every week)

They've already planned how we'll play in future three years

[still mauve]

Notice how we get more arguments and no answers ? just give us answers we don't want interrogations here, it's not that hard to care for us , when we say care we mean we want someone to hear us out.

A reminder that kids also play this game and are in school / high school ( like me ) we don't work or have the ability to spend money as we want

Instead of giving us more questions and downright rude ones js give us a final answer.

[terse flame]

remember yall tgc needs money to keep running the gaem

[white sparrow]

food 🥘 🍱 🍲 now go eat the nom noms

[potent peak]

we extremely appreciate your generosity in helping us, but please put your own health first !!!

[frail kite]

Tgc also needs players willing to play their game

[deft solar]

err guys, im android and cant log in to beta sky after update, anyone with same exoerience?

[autumn path]

Respectfully saying this and then bowing out for the night, I understand as a community dev your position ties you to the community-- and that audience comments can be rude and/or manipulative, but the latter half of your comment is also manipulative in a sense? I hope you do realize that you did not have to come into the discord if your workday has already ended, nor did you have to skip dinner, or socializing. Your priority is to take care of yourself, and not surround yourself in a field of negativity, because you can't do anything if you can't take care of yourself. Guilting gets no one anywhere, and it isn't the responsibility of the community that you haven't done any of those things - you yourself did choose to.

Please take better care of yourself and do not put that on the community especially if you're doing this outside of your paid work hours.

[agile hazel]

I agree with all the sentiments and complaints being made, ontop of that I don't necessary like the responses Ktjn made. But if they really didn't care, they could have easily ignored discord and have gone to bed instead of replying to people.

[marsh plinth]

the last thing I wanted was transparency in the actions of TGC
Thank you Ktjn

[main gale]

We appreciate your dedication, but pease take some time to eat and take care of yourself! I myself just ate for the first time today about an hour ago because I've been busy all day, and I honestly regret it. Chat won't burn down if you grab yourself at least a snack!

[humble plinth]

you didn’t have to take the extra time for this yet you still did, i am grateful for how much you care about the community and this situation but you have to put your personal health at first! go eat some dinner!

[crude shore]

Dear Ktjn, we are sure you care! You being here is as much as you could possibly care and please, please i beg you go and have your well deserved rest, take care of yourself, us being upset is not worth you hurting yourself like that

[graceful widget]

Whether it's items that can be exchanged for candles or iaps, they have become expensive, and players feel that sky is more and more boring. Can TGC listen to our thoughts instead of focusing on profit?

[zinc orbit]

im on ios, also cant log in to betasky lol

[swift yarrow]

sometimes iap items' price surprised me

[wispy obsidian]

I don't think most players are expecting entire novels of details regarding patch notes, or for changes to happen overnight (or at least I hope not...) but I think just someone popping in to remind players that feedback is being acknowledged would go a long way. From the perspective of a player, long periods of time of feedback being given without any word back does make it feel like you're not listening, even if you are. I know you guys are busy working on the game, but I think this would help in regards to trust.

[spark lance]

If this true then welp, let's see how long this server gonna be destroyed.
Please lower the cooldown

and for the staff, ktjn please prioritize your health first. there's not just one staff in here right? i appreciate your answer for slow down the fire. but you have private life to focus on. delete discord and take some fresh air. i know the other staff also can help with this. i repeat. we need better actions and answer. Good luck

[rapid reef]

My message was not destined to TGC, it was not feedback at them. The message was not exactly the same either has I added to it, making it still different enough to warrant a repost. So please, kindly read things. Thank you! :)

[kindred prawn]

the rocket glitch is patched in beta???

[wispy trench]

Still not done with the cat hair iap discussion?? Walking out till the chat cools down 🚶

[narrow current]

Outside of working hours seems to come out of Your own volition, while it is appreciated. If you are doing this outside of working hours such as reading this chat and cancelling irl events, not eating etc. It was a personal decision. So the statement at the end of " sure go on not caring " is quite backhanded, we are not forcing you to be here. While we appreciate that You are ofcourse

[compact jetty]

Can anyone explain this
🔹Added the “instrument” used by avatar while using the voice “instrument”
edit: thanks! oh no the emotes are disabled

[craggy elbow]

It says they changed the model, but in reality it didn't it's still the guitar

[spark lance]

I don't know why you went so defensive/ manipulative in the last part. No one is forcing you to be here but everyone, and I mean everyone really appreciates it, and the answers you're giving us. A big thank you from all of us ! You are chosing to be here instead of spending time with your friends or eating. That is not on us.

In a sense we are allowed to be upset about not being "cared" or "heard" and instead of saying those things maybe find out why we feel as if we are not being heard. This is not to you as a single person but as TGC company as a whole. We are giving FEEDBACK this is the whole point of this 😭👍

[untold folio]

Disappointment, really disappointed

[vapid briar]

While I have the community dev role still because I used to be part of the community team. I have been a designer for about a year, and talking with players isn't part of my day-to-day. I recognized that as a designer who worked on the mischief content, there were tough questions and a lot of emotions flying around. This gave me cause for concern so I stopped by for what was planned to be maybe 30 minutes to ask and answer questions and give some insight from a different perspective. It turned into a multi-hour discussion with you all as well as people on my team.
I don't say these things to manipulate, but it doesn't make them any less true. I had hoped that some honesty would show that hey, maybe we do actually care. It's incredibly hurtful to have wild, baseless accusations about the quality of your character be thrown at you from dozens of people.

I say these things because I think many of you forget we are human at the end of the day. we're not a faceless entity.

[scenic crag]

It's not worth the cat mask be the final reward 🥲, if you want to change it, with better one pls

[terse yarrow]

Not really a fix, but the game is frozen right after clicking jump up.
@compact jetty they changed the playing interaction, look like drum or something just the appearance is still guitar.

[neat wagon]

yeah, woke up to really disappointing news of the only item i was looking forward to becoming an iap

[native stump]

but this is so ridiculous. Their need for money ruins the game and they always disappoint the community because of their need for money. There are already too many IAPs in the game. They're greedy. Especially after this cat hair and mask thing, we understood that TGC don’t care about F2P players. Prices are not the same in all countries. In my country everything in the game is 19 times more expensive. $10 IAP = $220 IAP and that's too much.

[sand garnet]

Oh a dev really did join the chat like I heard. >o>

[twin wraith]

I want the old mask back

[kind nest]

Oh please do get some rest. I am sure that most of us do know that the staff is only human too And its also clear that not everything can be spoken about in one day.
I apologise for the rude people here who tend to forget that.

[pale folio]

currently manifesting that this whole switch between cat hair and a mask is just a prank because days of m i s c h i e f is coming up 💀

[pure canyon]

For the newly launched Halloween hairstyle, if you need money to buy it, please let me buy it at the beginning. TGC will only make players think they want a lot of money

[ashen tusk]

Is Nagati still around? Could we pretty please have reacts back so we can interact with messages whilst we wait for cooldown?

I get that, but well meaning people are really just watching the chat silently and I wanna send some hearts and things

[vapid briar]

you're right. no one is forcing me. I and only I made some not-great decisions about my personal life in order to maybe help y'all understand us better. Was that time and sacrifice worth it? I hope so.

You are absolutely welcome to feel upset and share negative feedback. Being upset doesn't give you the right to say terrible things about me or other people at the studio.

[naive solar]

I think they were disabled because people were being rude to others or to Ktjn. While the chat's really aggressive, I wouldn't recommend enabling them back.

[terse flame]

They need money to pay their employees and run the game without the money they need, they will go bankrupt and do you want that happening to tgc?

[manic sleet]

wait the hairstyle change to iap??

[potent peak]

people please dont assault ktjn for being generous to us. very generous.

understand the situation ktjn voiced, and that they are only human. theyre staying here for our sake, to help us.

[spark lance]

Maybe we can return to abyss solution when ppl were complained about the ultimate breathing mask! provide something similar to cat hair as IGC.. then there wouldn't be angry mob

[left quest]

Thank you for the time and effort to talk to us about what you can. It's appreciated, but as many said earlier, do take care of yourself and rest. Also get good food to eat.

[reef spire]

You do realize this is becoming out of hands? Most of the things aren't payed, they see the reactions then make it a iap item. They have WAY enough money for that. A majority of players pay the seasonal pass, and all the events have iap. Changing a loved free item onto a payed item and making the cat mask less pretty, isn't what's gonna pay their employees.

[graceful widget]

Can you consider reducing the price of cosmetics? No matter what kind of cosmetic it is, let the burden on the player be less, we will have more fun (by the way, I am desperate for a long cooldown)

[lyric bridge]

I think this is one of the biggest sky controversies in skycord

[oak kite]

TGC just got $260 MILLION AND they hired somebody from Pixar. Pixar isn't cheap.

They aren't a small indie game company anymore. They are NOT hurting for money AT ALL.

This is just greed, plain and simple.

[flat willow]

this might be bigger than when they removed the "seeing everyone in your server" call feature

ALSO 11 MINUTES OMG

[untold oxide]

i searched it up earlier and a website said they get paid 122k a year

[tidal fable]

Uhhh i cant play the Beta again,its stuck at the water

[worthy stirrup]

You are lost, yes they need money but what they do is taking advantage of it, because of so many things people have mentioned before, lazy and recycled designs, content and more content, increasing the prices of everything IGC and IAP cosmetics, meanwhile the millions of bugs that ruin the experience in the game are forgotten, is not only about make more content to earn money, it's also the experience of the players, and don't mention about android players, pffff lots of bugs....

[autumn path]

As a fellow game dev / game artist - please set your boundaries and do what you need. If that is a 30 minute timer, and then you log out of discord, so be it. Not everyone here is an adult yet, but you are one. There are loads of people in this server reminding everyone else that all of you devs and mods are real people behind the screen, so please remember that. I also hope that you do remember that there are genuine resources to help you out there for you to take should you need them if handling the server along with your day-to-day life is too much

[spark lance]

Wow really? well, our skykids have to workout.
(and i also all of my close friend is busy with irl so no one i can ask for rocket these days)
anyway i don't wanna say cursed word but curse this cooldown :3

[burnt mist]

Yeah but in California things are really really expensive so you're basically lower middle class with that income

[chilly zenith]

there is peace in this channel

i’ll take all i can getv🥲

[white sparrow]

It’s because half the server has passed out for bed time lol

[versed steppe]

Peace? Where?

[lone escarp]

[trim goblet]

I am peace 🤠 now stop this until the next update guys. They have received our feedbacks

[spark lance]

We appreciate that but still doesn't mean we like the decision yall made, and that's fine. You probably know that. This is what feedback is for, to give yall our opinion about it. Completely understandble.

I'm sorry if yall have been getting personal attacks, this is not what I was talking about tho or was everywhere my point. No one said that since we are upset that we have the right to throw insults around and personally, I've just seen skykids voicing their opinion about the decisions, not anybody personally.

That being said I am sorry if I have offended anybody.

[vast marlin]

But some oobs requires rocket glitch

[left lily]

That... really doesn't change the fact that if its reaching a point where you ignore food and your partner, then it is time to bow down and stop for the night.

The original commenter wasn't calling into question whether thats true. They were saying that your basic needs are up to you to handle, especially since no one is forcing you to stay here to talk. (Also considering that you're aware you won't be able to give an answer that will stop this mess, at that point it is better to wait for proper communication between the dev team). Also your work hours are over, as you said.

They mentioned guilting because, quite frankly, that's exactly whats happening here. Its true that you are sacrificing time to try to explain, time that you don't need to sacrifice. But you mentioning this has nonetheless caused people to derail the conversation to tell you to get some rest.

Also... the person you're replying to talked in a civilized manner. So that point about saying terrible things doesn't apply to them specifically. While yes there are some who are definitely pushing things too far... generalizing the entire beta feedback channel doesn't exactly help (like removing reactions for everyone instead of banning the people abusing reactions).

[crude shore]

wait, was it patched?

[slim pelican]

At this rate, I will go bankrupt because I bought the things I wanted because everything about sky is very expensive in my country. and things that are constantly taken with wax become iap. What should I do if I can't even write my opinion here? .. Please don't defend paid content. We're all monetizing the game for AP anyway.

[spark lance]

If the hair was 5 dollars, I would be happy, but 20 dollars in the hair.... Regrettable tgc, even more to have changed the price from one day to night, to have worsened the look of the cat mask, and amazing how greedy you guys are tgc, taking advantage of the cosmetic hype to get it paid, you guys are the worst, i liked you guys a lot at first, now you guys doing this stupid practice it makes me sick of you, honestly you stopped being that Indie company to become some other company nowadays, I admired you, now I'm disgusted with you, thank you for spoiling it my day with this trash change.

ThatGreedyCompany

[rapid reef]

Might I add that what they are doing is predatory.

They prey on paying players by abusing this fear of missing out they created. It's worth calling this what it is; predatory tactics.

TGC is not being nice with some of their changes, they are being predatory toward it's player base and has been constantly worsening over time. Players don't even have a chance to take a break because this fear of missing out is so deeply rooted and the game has become all about cosmetics applying an added pressure.

[raven steeple]

If the cat hair is sold as a gift pack at the beginning, I can also accept it, because it is really cute.However, after it was launched in the form of 66 candles, TGC found that the players liked the hair very much, and immediately turned the hair into a gift pack for sale. Don't you think this way of making money is disgusting?Since u decided to sell it as a gift pack from the beginning,why didn't they say it yesterda ? Yesterday, players were still happy that this hair only needs candles to exchange. Today, it seems that they were suddenly slapped.

[narrow current]

I think its a misunderstanding, someone said they crashed while using it but this is a common ocurrence when you use the glitch in quick sucession. Probably just people scared more than an actual "patch"

[frosty holly]

did yall finally calm down

[sand garnet]

I already sent in my feedback on the latest issues in the proper channel, no need to pester more right now. Sounds like you need a break ktjn, if you're not already gone by the time the timer lets me send this. ^_^;

[native stump]

But that's too much??? Halloween is already the most expensive event. And the important thing here is that they constantly disappoint their communities. they could continue to sell the cat hair that everyone liked with in-game currency and continue to sell the cat mask as IAP. Why is everything everyone loves getting IAP? And F2P players are always disappointed? TGC needs to listen to their community

[spark lance]

Well I think you succeeded I do think that you do care. It’s just having the community express love for a cosmetic then it suddenly goes from igc to iap. Seems sketchy (idk correct word I’m sorry if that wrong word for my feeling). I understand thanks to you that this wasn’t sketchy and was planned. Just miscommunication from what I understand. But miscommunication (an honest mistake) often feels like you are ignoring us. As a result, people are upset since this isn’t the first time we feel you ignore us and we conclude that you don’t care.

[blissful gulch]

I totally agree with you, the fact that in the first instance they put the hairstyle for free and after seeing all the commotion that it caused to put it as an IAP, it is something too unfortunate and only shows that Tgc currently only cares about money and not their players

[steady pond]

derailing conversations is unfortunately something they do quite often 🥴 mods are doing their jobs to regulate the chat/give reminders to not cross the line etc., so i'm not sure why they took it so personally lol

[misty bone]

Appreciate your devotion to come down to talk to us despite not being in the role. To the mods and dev, please take care of yourself.

[ashen tusk]

Wait a minute, it's morning here which means in America it's super late
ALL YOU AMERICAN BETA BUDS GET SOME FOOD IF YOU HAVEN'T EATEN AND GO TO SLEEP 🛏️
Beta will still be here tomorrow, self care is important

[tardy hawk]

damn, we can’t react anymore? hell on earth

[umbral haven]

According to this chat about the pricing of the cat pack, if you wanted to get the bat cape and the cat hair that would be around $50usd

[dire egret]

has the dust from the war last night settled

[manic sleet]

it is very annoyed as changing the popular hairstyle into bundle iap with the cape so sudden, and the cape is somehow a bit of casual ->-

[potent peak]

guys. really. dont assume the financial state of tgc and its employees. like they said before, only they themselves have that kind of information.

you can give constructive criticism about prices, etc. but dont be straight up disrespectful to the people who are working hard to develop the game you love.

[indigo lichen]

Still no sign's of cat hair to be an igc item?

[hidden glen]

obviously not

[delicate shuttle]

it's very annoying, when YOU MAKE CANDLE THINGS and then turn them to IAP WITH A CAPE

ofc with toooooooooooo expensive price👍

[kindred bronze]

That would be $80nzd

[elfin delta]

If the cat hair has been planned for iap for a while, then don't state them as being planned for igc like in the previous patch notes