#๐๏ธฑfeedback-discussion
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Since when did the Chinese filters care for religious condemnation ....what the heck๐ค
Damn
Bro
Lol
They even have it banned when spelled incorrectly
๐คฃ๐คฃ
Dam mit
And
Damn it
Banned
Unfortunate I can't post memes here
But damn isnt
Because people don't really know what they are doing when it comes to discord, sadly.
So they use sucky things like auto-mod
Maybe it's a case of bad spelling. 
Like half of DC using looser lately when they mean loser๐คฃ
Aren't we all looser becasue of F+?
๐ f+ is loser
Both
Killed ๐

Day 1 - unlimited packs on it 
When up a lvl, there will be limited 24h packs ๐คฃ100%
Actually unless they change the squadron mechanic where the 2 aircraft stats add up, Gen4 will be the best to max first for RL
Combined stats of 3 across aircrafts. Basically they found out just the behemoth was not enough to garrison inside hq and found a way to monetize the defence
Carrier is some new bs. Need 4 aircraft or some crap for it
Wish I could get on PTR
They will need to change this if they want all 3 aircraft to contribute to stats
You have to have at least one of your gen 1/2 planes (if not both) upgraded pretty far to unlock it.
I mean this thing on its skill
The carrier starts with 4 active aircraft part
That's stacked aircraft in rally I presume?
That is my assumption. The carrier will be for rally leads primarily.
Oh god
Next is boats
Well, their older game has 8 of those, 6 marches.
Oh god I'm so sorry
We got planes and tanks next is definitely boats
From what I understand, the aircraft carrier unlocks for a player when they reach a certain level with their own planes. Then, they can send it as their "plane" when leading the rally.
This is anti vehicle crap
They didn't forget
March *
Feb will probably be lower still, but it will spike during DD. After that, however, is when it will really drop.
And T14 troops
Damn we skipping T13??
Devs: we will add T13 and T14 same time!
Tanks have 8% base stats. And whales are 2k stat higher than average spender. You already have t13s in game
I have a feeling that carrier will take combined stats of the rally leads aircrafts plus carry all aircrafts or maybe carrier for joiner amplifying the skill
FunPlus have a many their games, i dont know why they take that game to make a trash
It is all about the money. That is why they are trying to get us players to volunteer as mods versus hiring people to do so.
Ya volunteer as mod so you can check the trash dump from the inside๐ซก
It's fun, recommended, cuz CM messages in mod servers are a hoot
I've never had an issue spending a few dollars here and there on this game (or any other). But it is clear that F+ doesn't want my money unless I am spending thousands at a time.
This is what they still also don't understand the 0.1% dropping 50k a time, or the other 99.9% that has the potential to spend small incremental amounts
And do it properly, not this idiotic poor value packs at 99 diamonds that give bad value and sense of spending
i guess Devs work on 3rd Behemoth to release after new aircraft
Unicorns
yes on May or June.. or maybe before that ๐
that would actually be kind of interesting to see if the Carrier activates with all the other aircraft at home in a settlement attack
Eh, you would send carrier out and keep heli in as it stands rn
Can't wait for the updated battle reports ๐
You'll need a PhD just to deciper everything
Mom: I want you to go to University. What would you like to study?
Son: Well, I'm considering doing a 5 year course in Fun Plus Logic and Development Techniques
Mom: Best make it 10 years son.
Mom needs to know that game with that answer. 
Sos plot: Agatha is so strong, nothing can damage her
Also sos: hello survivors, thanks to dr yamazaki you can now enjoy new and powerful death star.
It is long overdue for Dr. Yamazaki to retire. ๐คฃ๐ซฃ
Not going to lie...a crossover with Marvel just so we can have a march skin of Deadpool riding a unicorn would be legit!
I think itโs really poor to have alliance duel and doomsday both on the same day, both can literally be any time of day, do KG forget people actually have employment?
On a Thursday too
Agreed 100%. Our only "lucky" break was that our DD time fell under our existing truce time. Now, we just don't have anyone online to play DD instead.
As a mom, this made me giggle.
Yep, during the working week
We have DD at 12 and AD at 15
That messes up the whole day
And getting unemployed at 17 ๐๐
And homeless at 20
In debt collection by reset
The F+ plan has been revealed!
Most straight forward plan so far with good notice
Open an event to get stabilizers easier than now, that will help with the gap between whales and the rest, you guys already took all the money in there from them, open for the rest
Yeah, you can allow for one event a day if you can choose when your breaks are, but not two, especially as both last for an hour
Hi crim, it would be a great idea to allow us to obtain these, especially mk1 stabilisers since it's been a some time since release. If events wouldn't recycle all of our saved up currencies it would be ideal for the entire player base and we can save up for these items.
Have you considered making the post in #๐๏ธฑfeedback-reporting at all?
FunPlus will continue to release new super expensive items, and thatโs their prerogative. What they need to do at the same time is update all event rewards to the latest features. We are still getting 3-4 year old rewards in many events, and thatโs unacceptable. If they could update rewards to include what they released 6 months previous, it gives people the chance to bridge the power gap.
How much new aircraft gonna cost?
Yeah no one should see it, I am still hyperventilating
Literally a house. I m not joking
Also time for behemoth mk3? whales are approaching the maxed behemoth mk2
Aircraft is similar to old one but carrier is something else. I can't find a word for it
I can find a word for it. Greed ๐คญ
Nah that was 2years ago when ape got released
Think everyone maxed mk2๐
Speak for yourself ๐๐
Dont think anyone actually has 48 skills on mk2
4 people I think if they are maxed in all state ranking
I mean whales
Oh no one has
Not possible
Last time I saw Kev with 206m behemoth and not even 47 skills
I'll be there soon ๐ couple more years
220? Ffs
Yep๐
They are 14 million off then top 4 in all states
Yes like 14mil๐
But funnt cause
How higher level
How more BP it gives per upgrade
While unlocking is more expensive
Yeah true, still I can't comprehend how they think it's fair
Yeah good luck in even 2years
Ye but it creates a issue
1 with 2 max skills
Overtakes someone unlocked all
While unlock al is more usefull imo
U mean ultra skills?
Yes
OK yeah I am never doing that unfortunately ๐
Yup, too expensive. It's achievable if new features weren't dropped every month
But at this rate, no chance
Yeah I ll never have her either lol
Yup you dont even know what to get anymore
I still recommend joiners behemoth and trex. That's best I can do
Every month less and less whales ๐คญ
Hence more expensive features
Well I am a joiner now too with the new carrier though ๐๐
Those dumbos are trying to milk out same amount of money as they used to get from decreasing amount of whales and fail to notice that it is just pushing more of them to leave ๐คฃ
Don't understand the business plan. No idea how any financial advisor can recommend this
Yeah cuz no way of bridging the gap
Skin events used to have 1 typr of bundle up to 100$. Now the event gets refreshed bundle every 2 days ๐
Yep
Hungry sharks
Well 1 type
Also, for events like AD/RR. Thier is always one opponent who is maxed so it's a one man show
This game could easily provide steady high (but lower than now) income for many years to come if they would just ease up on greed. They have nearly no operating costs, updates are done by interns or trained monkeys.
Instead they are forcing so hard trying to go back to covid time earning figures and just keep on loosing players.
Jup
But they dont think long term
Just milk and go next
That was still somewhat ok. But now refreshed bundles with unlimited 100$ bundle and min. points required ๐คญ
Yeah but it's all about now. Annual revenue will be larger if done properly. It's all about monthly revenue. That's why they target mega whales
It's not sustainable as more and more quit on a daily basis. So they know it's on it last breath and trying to milk as much as possible
If new aircraft turns out like I saw mentioned here earlier in the day then there will be another player exodus
Aircraft is similar to last one cost wise as far as I can tell but carrier is the one which is insane
So yeah mass exodus after DD
Everyone says this about one last breath.. but people still continue to spend
Not to same extent. Most people I know who spend have reduced a lot as their is no way of catching up so pace urself
Thats what got me, I read their dev notes and was under the impression that we will be getting 1 new aircraft/machine ๐คฃ
How come it changed into 2? :p
Technically it's only one aircraft. Other is a carrier so that doesn't fly ๐๐๐
Exactly! People will stick around to enjoy DD (as much as possible). Once that goes, they do as well.
I think they realised it won't make as much money from whales so added something extra for fun
Will this new system be the same as behemoth/aircraft v1? Meaning you gotta stack it to win?
That is my impression. The aircraft carrier gets some sort of stacking bonus for the number of planes (probably up to some max number).
Looks like it as it has joiner skills vs Rally leader skills
Yikes, guess I wont be a joiner ๐
I still am not finished with previous 2 aicrafts, now they add another 2.... Logic would suggest that they would allow to earn more old features material with passage of time, thats how most games deals with increasing power gap, bit this is SoS. After people max on newest aircrafts they will be able to burn f2p/low spenders just by sending 10k infantry with zoo and all machines 
Yeah won't be surprised. Also someone mentioned their might be a requirement of certain levels on old plane and heli to unlock new ones
Not sure how true is that yet
Sos could care less ๐คญ
No free items for you
It wonโt surprise you to learn it was released in PTR with no instructions of any kind. So no idea what the requirements are.
Also on PTR, most have the other aircrafts maxed so they can't even find out if their is a requirement
Also nothing on the page, I asked Ada to check in PTR ๐
My plane is lvl 4 and my heli lvl 5 and it was open for me, so thatโs all I can add
Just giving updates ๐คฃ๐คฃ๐คฃ
Oh atleast that's a relief. Also the carrier?
Can u give your credit card too?
This is so normal in SoS
Havenโt found the carrier yet
697 build different
Spending $10k just for valentine event
Hmmm OK, thank you
PTR, as usual, is only to test if new bundles pucharses works. If it was supposed to be there for proper testing then we would have at the very least more than a month of time between ptr and live server release
Yup and even if there are concerns/glitches from day one they still release it
I donโt like to use credit card
OK, debit card? ๐
I unlinked my debit card lol
Noooo ๐คช๐คช๐คช
Mean ๐
๐ฅฒ๐ฅฒ
There there
@wraith vapor im sure in your state some one also crazy like me
I don't think their is anyone crazy like you in any state ๐๐๐
240 infantry hp and it is not maxed yet.... Cant wait to see reports where whales have more hp stats than I defence
You would know Cansu, she was in our state before she transferred
She quit a while ago I think
Yeah in last few months
I experiment self report with my alt but why chat ban instead of name change (not normal)
๐๐
OMG new heli ๐
Thatโs sad sorry about that
Well she transferred out about 6-7 months ago but she only quit recently. So not my loss technically ๐
Give me first
okay
You have very big fan following
Always ๐
When testing Report name but chat ban ๐ wtf
Then Iโm with you ๐คฃ๐คฃ๐คฃ
FKG best alliance
Tetris
@distant gull you also from FKG ?
Liar ๐คฅ
I'm in LAE 739
What Processing Rate exactly means?
When I process 2100 Lime I got 2100 back
I put 2100 and got back 2100 with 85%
So something is wrong
You dont get more, the speed of the processing is just faster
I might as well be very wrong, just my opinion
Lime is 1:1 Coal is 1:2
Then idk what rate is about
So it should be called Processing speed
Devs like to trick us
Rate = Speed
Speed, rate, both are technically accurate terms
Rate is probably more correct if we're splitting hairs
Since it's units of stuff per time
Wouldnt hurt explaining what each stat means, imo
That's a great idea. I think we do have a glossary on the wiki page but something more specific to events would be helpful
I'll get that as a feedback written up
No need. Devs shredder has been used too much
I confused rate with ratio then, I am not native English speaker and rate sounds more like 1: something for me. For example ,,The crime rate rose by 26 percent,,
Also a valid concern there's need for clarification in this international game
And it's worth defining the term as one could increase rate by giving more items or decreasing time spent
Both would increase rate and it's good for players to know if they're getting more items or production will finish faster
I really thought that upgrading this building would increase the amount of what I extracted by this percentage, not the speed at which it would happen
Devs arent known for making anything clear with what they say
You can pretty easily check what's changed by including the same amount of lime or coal
I agree that we can check ourselves, but it should probably be outlined as well. Where do you typically find information? The rules or tutorial screens?
Well i thought the same thing ๐คฃ idk processing rate for me is tricky...i mean seriously can they add like "processing rate (increase of processing time)"... And processing time sounds more understandable, at least for me ๐ค
Speed is a measure of how fast it goes, the rate is a measure of how much it changes over that time. Rate is cost per unit of time, where as speed is the processing time per unit.
U do get double coal.
Amount increase is boiler room during mining. Also increasing processing plant increases how much u can process at a time
The entire thing is just labelled wrong and gives a false impression. What you actually get:
1:1 on Lime
1:2 on Coal
So, the processing rate should be based on the current building, in my case 85% and its associated** rate **of change, but this doesn't align to the above. What I think they are doing however is a reduction of 85% in the processing time (speed), which is really the wrong way to look at it.
They should add more screen hints/tips...if they know how to do that
Its just again, dumb dev logic
This so much^^^^
I saw that we increase processing rate so thought I would get more finished material from processing coal or lime. Instead it just speed things up ๐
Yes, that's what it is exactly. It has nothing to do with the amount of Coal or concrete.
In all fairness, it's a processing plant so it process ore and lime to concrete and coal.
The rate is basically speed like you said. I think the percentage has to with how much faster it's processing the raw material than at level 1 rate percentage
Sorry for my bad English, but isnt speed a time for processing ๐ like if we add one word to the description people will be more informed about the outcome
In all fairness it's not bad though. If u finish processing faster, you can get more and more concrete coal quickly
I think as levels go up it ll need. Alot more material so ll need a. Few batches of processing to do one upgrade
If you did not spend on faster perk progress then you do not mine enough stuff yet to need more speed :p
Yes it is the processing time but upgrading it increases the rate(speed) at which it processes the raw material. Yes there should be a decent description for it but it FP. What do you expect?
Well that's true but that's why the recommendation is boiler room first as that increases the mining output, efficiency and rare drop (for tempest arms)
Yup. Thats why that misleading description is hurtfull because everyone who just plays and is not doing extra game related research will upgrade it first thinking he will get more stuff thanks to it.
Maybe, I mean when I read rate before any research I thought it was speed ๐
Me too. ๐ซฃ
Maybe it is just me then, I saw processing rate and my mind instantly went "Oh so I will get 15% more stuff from processing! Great! Imma upgrade it right now" ๐คฃ
It is subject to interpretation, to say the least ๐
Having 3 aircrafts and only 2 behemoths... just doesnt seem right. Kindly release MK 3 with new aircraft
Delete that ๐
Delete! They listen only to sarcastic feedback like that 
Should we spam so no one from fp can see it ?
It's already the end of the road, they should just add everything and self implode
Imagine SoS players talking about limestone mining ratesโฆ yet here we are
It's like we're on the titanic and watching the ship sink
DEVS NEED TO QUIT ROUNDING STUFF IN THE GAME ๐ก
I'm missing 1 ore ๐ก
4 minutes 24 seconds for an ore. ๐ก This bs.
You know, he asks me why everyone is calling him uncle
One lady is at least 20 years older than him calling him that
20 parts for 100$, such a steal.
Doomsday future finalists will buy anyway 
Oh well
Idk how the regular bundles will be but this is supposed to be one of the good ones, trigger pack after upgrading
Regular ones might even be more expensive
i knew that... it's expensive ๐
That's why I said I was feeling better when we couldnt see the bundles earlier ๐
they depends on DD to sale it
It's not like you need loads ๐
I would highly suggest leaving feedback in the https://discord.com/channels/555639568053829632/1110345161323585606 channel. Just make sure it fits the proper format. #๐๏ธฑfeedback-reporting message
I can assist with it if you'd like.
Devs : we will ignore it, don't dare
They know about the mass exodus after DD, this is their last chance
then their new title comes out and they can start the cycle over again
You mods should just quit been a mod no point at least not in the feedback or bug report apartment
Are they planning to add another aircraft?
Yes they are. You can find the info here: #โญ๏ธฑgame_information message
That is a direct link to the post for you. ๐
Any mod know where the feedback where people brought up that we now have doomsday on same day as duels ?
The twice time doesnt cover things as thats mostly used when people sleep and somehow the developers thought it was a good idea to put the exact same timeslot on doomsday and on duels? They could have gone for odd and even hours, but they didnt. So now people have both at excact same time for them.
It's perfect
I approve this
Kind of like how they thought we rather use truce time to put when doomsday is, and not when we sleep .. brilliant, but saberlot said there was some feedback about that somewhere
Is saber handsome?
His butt-on
Lol no idea
He could be Ryan Reynolds beautiful for all I care, what I do care about is how they lack basic organisatorical skills, will to fix errors they are responsible for and understandment for how this game functions.
So mod wheres the feedback im looking for :)?
Your name says it all
Hey, may I help you with anything? If I can?
Find feedback report for dd
That is what he was searching
I might be clueless here, can you please let me know feedback for DD on which angle?
DD is for FBI / DYZ.. to put them on final then hope they max new aircraft
DD not for us 
I might care
The one where weve brought up that they have put doomsday in same timeslot as duels
As the truce time doesnt work, the truce time we need for sleeping
Devs : don't sleep
And they have the excact same hour, not like they picked Odd and even hours like they could have done. Its the EXCACT same hours
Sleeping is for weak
Mkr wrote it well further up aswell but the developers doesnt seem to understand or care about our issue here
yes and they will release coffee bundles to fix this
Lemme take a look , I hope I find it for you.
And I agree with you and MKR, devs should have taken all possiblities in mind so the issues could be reduced.
I can do nothing but to agree with you on this
so next week : check what time our possible opponents have DD match - declare AD on them at that same time 
at least u don't have to face dyz in your 1st dd match
Nah got them in koth last Sunday we did our part ๐คฃ
Bad thing it's my working time and I can't drink during it๐
send from safe zone.. ( to complete Migo task) ๐
Shhh
It's my secret strategy
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is it like popeye but instead of spinach it's a bottle of Jaegermeister?
I made a gif... will dm u @steel musk because u r my friend
Ohhh.. Jaeger ๐
It tastes like cough syrup... bit it's good
Dont get any merits lol
Most of the time people don't fight anyway ๐
We do๐
They see daddy they shield
could burn them also since most them doing DD
First one i demolished our center just because didn't get any agreement with them it was still possible to loose troops
Second we started fighting and they just burned all our little ones
And as usual, we in the old states pay the consequences of these absurd choices by DEV, because the new states are already dead after 6 months and they don't even get to the new planes!!
They didn't even got any rss from those
The real idiots here are us old people who continue to feed this game
Whales
Agree although am not old
I meant "old" in the game!! Lol
Realistically, I don't think this the end. Behemoths or special operatives or other overly expensive stupid features didn't kill it before, this won't either
Hello sweetheart 
It more or less is, revenue has dropped signicantly, as well as player base
People in new states are quitting faster and faster
They'll leave servers online as long as they can profit, but it's a dead game
yes but many quit because Behemoth...
almost half big spenders
quit
I'd say more than half at this point lol
Lots of people quit and come back sadly its addictive game
Thank you, only 280 upvotes in a day so I doubt they will take that seriusly. Whats interesting is that every upvote = alot players as a big part of the community doesnt voice their opinion. When something gets that much upvotes this quickly they should understand the gravity of the situation and adress it quickly. Amazing they havent done that.
If 280 people that leave their money at my business tell me to change the same thing I would change it before going to sleep.
I didn't say they didn't, a dead game is more than people quitting I guess? Idk, I wouldn't call it dead until they actually pull the plug
yes but once when all big spenders quit, Devs will remove the game ( mostly)
Honestly, my pov is to play as long as it's fun and to stop when it isn't and not to worry about the rest
It hasn't been fun in a long time ๐ฅฒ
Depends on your perspective.
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i like the 24/7 drama in this game LMAO
True, it never ends
But the second something they need to fix like the free bio, the 5000 search maps, the skin store errors etc it gets sorted in matter of hours. Infact they BROKE SVs cc to fix a issue. Game went down for half the players ish first hour.
But when its something that causes the players issues, they dont give flying duck
Did kinda kill for f2p and low spenders
That happened the second they released the first plane
people gaslighting backstabing everyone 24/7
I am in this channel more than game
You could still fight with the plane
The rose event is the best example of theee money they make is ouutrages
Pretty much the same lol
That's when I became f2p so was a definitive moment for me lol
In our range there atleast 10-15๐คฃ
I think today our top 10 everyone unlocked 70k
Top 3 has over 300k lol
But โ ๏ธ if u think about it, thats LOADS of money
We had rockets and diamond rings this year, it would be hard to get more weird
come back to buy me roses
Hopefully we'll be able to use old aircraft parts for the new one

I think we'll be, because when helicopter released we still could use 1st aircraft part to convert them in to the heli parts
My plane and heli are not even on gold tabs . I am sure I will max them in a couple of years
For that I need parts ๐
new aircraft work with old aircraft also? ... I mean stats count both or not
I still wonder what to do with the rockets people sent me ๐
Aircraft carrier is for rally only
Nope
Stats will be added to existing stats, just like helicopter and jet both were adding to base stats,
We want more, we want more
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More upgrades!!!
well thats one way to slow down MAKE YOU QUIT lol
Take my money
is the pokemon rip off fun?
You can have a nice relaxing evening, strolling in orbit ๐
2000 times less expensive, 5000 times more fun
Might be more than 2000 at this point 
you aint wrong
@merry scroll
we don't like new futures.. could Devs release all futures they want add this year... with new aircraft.. would be good to know in advance
Behemoth mk3
yes i wonder about that if will be this year
Unicorns
U will see... ppl asked for it
I hope it's some cool one
they use AI.. so, don't think
They have blond who dye hair black in that department?
mostly
We r doomed ๐
It would be good for us, maybe they would stop adding new stuff then 
They won't, have the rest of the year planned already lol
No idea ab out rest of the year but I think we will get another new thingie before doomsday finals :p
Maybe special operative
Or more plasma levels
Need to milk out doomsday more
Last doomsday was the same, they added new stuff midway again :p
I know๐คฃ
Because it is totally skill based tournament 
Real doomsday trailer should just show up credit cards fighting one another and biggest one is the winner ๐คฃ
devs call that strategy
I imagined cartoon style credit cards of various sizes fighting one another, punching, shooting guns. Not even fights but one where always bigger one is clear winner. There would be one clearly bigger than opponents that defeats them all and slightly wounded is reaching out to grab the trophy. Then camera is doing close up and shows how from behind from darkness there is another one emerging, twice as big as "winner". The end 
you could always post a gif in #๐memes_and_gifs
then put the discord link here for us to go see
Buy weakly bundle for rounded numbers
U want 280 coal.... 4.99
I'm sarcastic
Rather spend money for postage so I can send a paper bag filled with human liquid waste to show the devs my "support and understanding" ๐คท
I dont think maxing this new building will be doable for low spenders. Yet another thing that will help woden the gap due to the fact that it gives points towards permament migo perks progress (survival something thing)
I see... as your name๐คญ
Yes.. and next migo we will have different things... and those buildings will be sent in history
It was something like sos screwing players since 2019.
Then became
SOS promoting harassment (because of a VD event that actively attracts harassment from former experiences)
And then there was a issue with someone else name being offensive so I became moist.
Then a convoy about bacon. So I became moist and flavorful.
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Probably go back to sos s P s 2019 when this is over ๐คท
Was talking about your "support and understanding " package ๐คฃ
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I have had this happen before as well. This is why my alliance now has someone on right at reset to pick
i am up at reset and if needed back up at 4 to get the time i want
Sometimes there are not enough opponents for every alliance to have a match.
Only we have no opponent. This is unfair to us because it affects the rank
I would suggest giving some feedback in #๐๏ธฑfeedback-reporting following #๐๏ธฑfeedback-how-to or if you would rather, I could help submit feeback
it happens often tbh
I asked others.
When this happened to my alliance, I tried an in-game ticket, but customer service responded with what I said above
I complained to them last time but they did nothing
Only for one alliance? This second time
It happened to my alliance at least 4 times. Been outbid in round 1 and no one left to bid on from round 2
Because of that, the rank also decreased
It's not that important as its first week. Not a lot of points to "steal" and you have time to catch up with future duels. Plus you save coins that way
I mean frist round
No bid
Im not the one bidding but I think first round we have always had choice +3/-3 or something like that
Rank down ๐ช
It's not true
This injustice
They admitted their guilt early
I mean last migo
Every migo season my alliance misses at least 1 round of alliance duel. That is why we now have a designated person to declare right after reset
There's not much a mod can do to fix that. Only the devs can. But I'd be happy to help you submit feedback if you would like
Another thing is that doomsday and alliance duel should not be held on the same day
There is feedback for that, you can ๐ผ vote it here: #๐๏ธฑfeedback-reporting message
I agree with you, I up voted that one too
Done
The problem is your alliance leadership that didn't bid enough or on time
We have experts
But they make this? Have they corrected even one complaint that has been made for so long?
Dev admitted their guilt
It is easy to blame the alliance leadership, but the bidding system is poor.
First, the alliances around you can have truce times that conflict with your alliance's availability.
Then, you have to deal with the possibility of being outbid.
Even worse is finding yourself outclassed by any options you have left.
Dev admitted their guilt
We got bid on and we don't even do the event or build our buildings. Devs should preclude alliances who don't have their buildings as well, because the alliance who is set to fight us isn't going to have fun.
I have personally observed and suffered before... What is something you would do to make the selection process easier? I think the bidding system is a strange way to go about this process
Sayme
I complained. dev accepted.
I agree I had a case as merged alliance leader where this whole process was strange. Why can I pick alliances and bet on the matchup
It's very strange and inefficient. Tbh, I hope devs consider scrapping this event and reworking it. The bones are good, but the rest of it is not
Obviously people like the idea of doing little single alliance battles in a cross state fashion, but the way they do this just isn't... It's not good.
The problem with feedback on the AD system is that the whole process kind of stinks.
The bidding system almost guarantees that some people will be left out
Yup
Those not left out are often tossed against overwhelming odds when faced with superior opponents.
all of this
It must the be the timing part that you mentioned above that really limits these choices though...
but then aggain, all other events run the same and don't seem so bad
@untold stag dev help
He agent
Well, maybe a little
Am I a dev now? SWEET!!
Oh is he? You have evidence?
Isn't that a bad thing
Some think I'm a dev, too, despite overwhelming evidence otherwise, so...
Where are my secret power buttons?!?!?
If it's the one that says uninstall...
I know you ๐
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Do any of us really know each other, or ourselves for that matter? ๐ค
If I were to consider a revamp for AD, there should be some type of "tiering" system to keep the top teams away from everyone else.
Maybe they get better rewards, but at least it gives the rest of us a reasonable shot at winning.
Neville, could I add that to my list of feedback for the AD topic? I still have everything from the last six months, but it needs refreshing.
Go ahead
Feel free to steal any of my ideas if they are useful
I'm noting down everything you've said, and you will be credited.
which rank
Tomorrow will be still possible to give roses or the last day will be only to show rankings?
use it today.. why waiting last day
saving to help members to get rank 100
Guilt of what? That at the beginning of the 3rd season your alliance still don't understand how this event works?
not sure if today last day to use roses or tomorrow.. guess better use it today ๐
MODs, any of you know?
Tomorrow
They are all friends ๐
@vale yoke The other AD change that could work is some sort of "last chance" pool after all the regular bidding is over.
There would have to be some sort of way to keep top alliances from exploiting it, but it could provide options for those who otherwise want to play but can't.
next week your alliance will have more coins.. could win declare
just do it after reset
Missed point
Last time 7 place
this week only.. next you will have
You fellow members are correct, tomorrow February 22, 23:59 utc is end. The bazaar will be open for one more day for the whole Valentine's event.
You don't have one player in your alliance that can be online at reset?
4m point lost
ok thanks, I will save to give the roses at reset, thanks
Are you crazy
Hello
No
I guess he doesn't know how duels declare work
Thatโs exactly one of the reasons why I donโt wanna be mod.. or why I couldnโt
better gave up to explain it
We know bro
I bet your alliance know keep it
maybe they declared but others used more tokens at reset and then they missed next rounds
But point?
what do you mean with point?
So the Devs are to blame because you lost?
Use more coins or be smarter with the alliance you challenge next time, back to the same point
No need your adv
yes, you will miss the first week of points but Im sure you guys can catch up well
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So don't ask it in public
Only you
I mean, if you fight against an alliance similar than your alliance and fight during the entire hour, you guys will get a lot of merits
We lost our first-round bid this week and had no appropriate options after that. It sucks, but that is the system.
That being said, it is a poor system where you have 6 rounds, but anything beyond the first round pretty much doesn't matter.
strong alliances usually dont get too much points because people dont play against them
kick rally leads from alliance.. everyone will declare war on your alliance
It used to be 6+6 but then the power gap was too big

Or make an agreement before
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but yeah dude, it sucks but it is like that. Next week try to get someone to be awake at reset and also for the second round of declaration. After that, you will get only dead alliances or nothing ๐ซฃ
That is why I suggested AD should be tiered based on bp (or something similar).
Even if you are in a small alliance, you should be able to reliably compete against similarly powered opponents.
But, if DD is any guide, F+ doesn't seem to care about such details.
Hello
hello
Without opponent ๐
How
Matching based on bp is always bad idea but it will mostly leave small matching pool with alliances that will always lose although they are strong.
The point system keep the strong alliances on top and pretty much balanced it after few weeks.
Although the game play is too much like mining mayhem when one or 2 players can take the alliance very far.
It will only get worse with 3rd aircraft on top of the 3rd behemoth from migo
This is my group in DD, my alliance is the (679939) score, do you think we will win? 
I didn't get any solution
Thanks everyone
As we said, you cant do anything this week. it sucks but the event works like that....
For smaller alliances/players, 3mil points for the season badge is a pretty tall order.
Maybe dropping that down a bit would reduce the sting of missing an AD week.
Good night everyone. good luck
declare system..
If alliance A, B declared war on alliance C.. the alliance which used more coins will win bid..
if both used same amount of coins, the alliance which have better rank will win bid..
If this week couldn't, next week you could... you will have more coins to use than them
Disappointed
next time leave and join another alliance
My alliance strong.
I know the rank doesn't carry over to a new alliance, but do the merits combine across multiple alliances for the season badges?
need 3 mil to get badge
I'm sorry you did not get an opponent this week I am not fond of this system either . But cr7 is correct next week is another chance. We missed many bids last season and I still got my season badge .
I know that, but would I be able to do 1.5mil in one alliance and 1.5mil in another? I don't plan to, but more curious as I hadn't considered that as an option before.
Lost hope .because dev
didn't test it.. so i don't know ๐
It is an interesting idea for those who have missed weeks (if it works).
Just join another alliance for that week, rack up some extra merits, and then go back home.
I am not sure let me go find out for you.
yes could help them.. but not sure if could join another alliance
last time i guess was able to join alliance which didn't declare war yet
not sure if can join alliance which declared war
I think you cant join alliance after matching is done
I think you are right on that now that I look at it again.
Hiiii, idk if I remember correctly I thought doomsday RR was on Sundays and Thursdays were if you lost on Sunday? My memory may be a little rusty tho ๐ ๐
Hello it used to be that RR could be signed up for separately by the people that were not playing doomsday from what I remember. But it seems that they have changed it this time around.
This doomsday is in a different formation than the last one
You are correct. The ranking matches were all on Sunday as were the winner matches.
๐ฉ events like this during the work week is almost impossible smh
Thanks everyone I just wasnโt sure, I assumed it would be like last year. ๐
I feel your pain. Tomorrow's game for my alliance is going to suck as most of us are working.
I will dm you the answer when I find out it that is ok with you
Same for us, both of my rally leads work and they canโt just log in to play ๐คฆ๐ฝโโ๏ธ๐ we can cry together tomorrow. ๐
Get your max personal points at least.
Most definitely!
Or just let someone zero you out. In my experience it has been enough to do that
mmmm...bacon....๐
It makes for a very full thursday schedule with trap duals and dd in the same afternoon. I agree Thursday fights are awful. You can upvote the complaints here #๐๏ธฑfeedback-reporting message
Added this as well, thanks Neville!
@untold stag
Alliance Duels matching still seems broken, in that it allows stronger alliances to intentionally choose weaker ones.
Consequence: Players feel targeted and used as farms for larger alliances, rather than enjoying a more even matching with an alliance nearer their level.
Solution: There should be some type of "tiering" system to keep the top teams away from everyone else. Additionally, some sort of "last chance" pool after all the regular bidding is over. There would have to be some sort of way to keep top alliances from exploiting it, but it could provide options for those who otherwise want to play but can't. -[Pub]Neville via Discord
Look okay?

I personally think the only way to do that is to remove it from migo entirely....
Migo is 6 states. To have tier system would be basically impossible...or just the same matches every week..
I will always support pulling it entirely over anything else, I gotta be honest
That or add more states to migo but if you do that you need to increase the reward pools and we know just how much the devs love fixing or changing the rewards๐
๐จ maybe we don't increase the state and rewards pool, but remove it from MIGO, or even reduce it's appearance in MIGO
I need an adult, hang on
Well, an adultier one
I'd rather they remove it. Outside of getting skin sets I just really don't care.much for the rest of the rewards.
Or get rid of it for this migo.
I think ot would have been better event 3 years ago.
States are too....uneven now...
And alliances
Agreed
1 kraken. Changes all. Before. Tactics could fix that
I mean behemoths and force formation along with making joiners so important is was create this imbalance.
I miss using some f2p heros as garrison. And making whales cry๐คฃ๐คฃ
Unless you are in the very top rankings, the rewards for an entire season are meh at best
Well put. Meh is... Yes.
I'd rather MM back. ๐
Despite the crappy gameplay, the rewards weren't bad. A few hundred plasma and a decent number of airplane parts.
You can focus on your Doomsday I guess
That's true
Given that it was one of the extremely limited avenues for Heli parts I hate to say it I miss MM.
But so damn buggy. Just a wreck of an event
Smoking will kill you. Bacon will kill you. Smoking bacon will cure it. ๐ ๐คฃ
Once you gain points toward the service badge for ad the points should stay after you leave your alliance so yes it is possible ..
I liked mm even if bugged it was some nice rewards with alliance teamwork

๐จ maybe we don't increase the state and rewards pool, but remove MIGO, or even reduce migo appearance.
Here I fixed your editing
AD as it stands would be ok if it wasn't actually important. Like there were some resource rewards.
But. Its attached to migo and you can miss out "because" which is junk gameplay.
The solution overall is. Separate map. Optional to join. Towers and control are there no matter what. Occupation and destruction are worth points whether or not fighting was involved.
Alter the migo junk to be participation based not points. And make it a low target. The "special" rewards are for actively trying. Progress rewards should be more like "played 2 rounds of alliance duels" which would just mean entering the map
Thank you. I went to find someone older than me to help but then realized I'm the oldest one in the house, and had to sit down to contemplate that.
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You all need to go check out what alliance duels used to be. Search for ultimate alliance conquest on YouTube.
The restriction of one march per player for any of 6 towers, and simultaneous availability of 30 targets between 5 teams balanced the event out.
Right now players just wanna remove half of the PvP events. That's a track you don't wanna move towards. F+ will be happy to give you one 60 day event where nothing else happens from it.
No rr, no pow, no heist, no mm. Just a 60 day long tower build crap
They have done this before when they really needed to cut costs to bare minimum.
The rhetoric of removing all gameplay sounds fine individually but many forget fartplus will take it to an extreme and you will still be asked to pay 20k for 1 hour of monthly gaming. They literally do so in their older games.
Anyone know exactly how much the chocolates, rings, and rockets are worth each?
When you click on someone to give him roses you will see how much you have from each and under it how much it is worth (or the other way around).
Roses worth 1
Chocolate 30
Dont remember the other two
Thank you!
Make sure to grab your rewards after you send them. They are on the right side of the screen on the ribbon .
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I just want the pvp events to work and use the game mechanics. Not be pow new game+
Watch both be wrong and it's a completely different time
Wouldn't be surprised
@merry scroll / @feral sinew / @gray dragon Care to explain?
We got same mail. Dd says different time
My Cms seem to be offline.
I'd assume that our match time is the one that we all have in the event. It seems like we all received the system mail that says 10 utc so it must be a mistake.
We will ask about it.
Meanwhile has anyone opened a ticket about this to cs? 
The CMs are always offline even when they show as online
Do you expect cs to get back to us in 10 hours?
I assume it will be 15 utc
They have different timezone than me, so I know that it's probably early there ๐
But we can't fight incompetence that is KG
Everyone got 10utc email, follow the countdown on the event.
That's what I'm going off, still just pure incompetence their end
i wonder that the excuse will be tomorrow for the mess up
Maybe we get 200 free bios as an apology
5 blue frags better definitely
Epic search maps. For prizes like this
Mine was update when I get Gen 17
They made a change ages ago but didn't remove the old stuff and the odds you get a new hero are about 0.1%
Yes thats totally bad,because for what we need this in old states ... for remove?
maybe if the fragments were recycling of every day, then yes
Epic hero ๐
One moment, fast forwarded to devs already
Thank you Nanami 
Did you put in a cs ticket?
Most likely UTC 15:00 is the currect time since we don't have the 10:00 slot
reported to dev team, give us some time to check it.
When can we expect gen skip states' doomsday potions to be changed to advanced potions which can be used for generation 13+?
We have gen 12 potions in there.
And when do we get this security feature that koa got? I assume you guys know the reason behind it. Same vulnerability was reported for SoS too
Well, that doesn't work when 15-19 UTC is in the middle of our awake time...
what role does @merry scroll have?
Is he a mod doing this for free or an employee?
bring back the 30 days effortless progress
They won't do that. That was a clear mistake as the 2 previous were 3 days as well
theres no way thats a mistake tho
literary they always start the effortless progress at monday or friday but why now? its thursday cant even reach on svs prep stage
Out of all the effortless progress (ep) we've had so far 5/6 have been 3 days long. I don't even recall it being a monday start for them. Always when it provides as little benefit as possible.
Ep is an event we like. Funminus hate it as it provides non spending benefits
Given that its still good,i refuse to complain about whatever they've given us as A: we might lose it again and B: its drastically better than other stuff.
Pretty sure asking for improvement here will make it worse
I remember either the first or second effortless progress event was during a sotf or svs one of those and it lasted long long like 15 days or something like that
Then they took loooooong for it to be back again ๐๐
Itโs too good to be a regular event for us peasants
yeah, I'm confuzzled too... usually CM Saberlot and Nanami show up every few weeks for maybe 10-20 min, then they vanish for the next weeks.. but yesterday it were a full 21 messages, 2 days ago even more, and even the day before.. there's something going on there! ๐
At a guess the images have caused a bit of trouble with the mods and them being here more is the only viable solution to stop it
Which images? 
Catching up after holidays 
Damage control
Thank you both, still doesn't explain though the conflicting information
AD last night was totally messed up, someone needs to remind the Devs that you dont get merits for attacking settlements (that was ended during season 1 and anyway not everyone likes to bully others) but if the other alliance does nothing and doesnt come to play, the attacking side gets nothing individually. Merits need to be earned for occupation of towers/centre otherwise even more will not bother with it
last night we had our most ever for Duels but none of us got any merits because the other side didnt come to play
Yep. Duels can be worthless "because" no control over your own destiny
No wonder I saw the votes on CM concerns last week
We send multiple tickets about this after 2nd duel in first season...till this day nothing changed, they just restricted settlement attacks.Merit should be earned by occupation, if the other side didn't show the aliance who is online need to have the chance to earn the rewards wow, or the event is meaningless and we need 3m merit Oo wth.. How on earth New event is worse than old events with buildings ๐คฃ
Did you only send tickets in the game or did you also submit a feedback report here in the discord server?
Was in game...dunno im used to talk with support in any game trough the ingame mail system, silly me ๐คฃ
Its been fed back in this discord though
No, how stupid? That's what the opportunity in the game is there for. Sometimes it is more beneficial to submit a feedback suggestion here in the discord, as others have the opportunity to react to the suggestion and if many people like the idea, it can be processed more quickly. Maybe other players sent the same suggestion and you can react with ๐ผ
what's difference? Devs don't care about feedback or bugs
So.. After an entire week of reports nothing changed.. My alliance will be fighting an older state Plasma 7 and behemoths and my state haven't unlocked Plasma 6, 7 and behemoth
we play sos
when devs care about milk players only
no time for fix bugs or make matchmaking balanced
Complete bs, are devs benefiting some alliances?
That's not true, the developers work a lot on bugs. But I can understand you, sometimes new and old bugs keep popping up. We have a test server where a lot of testing is done to avoid bugs etc.
But donโt forget the devs are humans and not machines ๐๐
And you my friend need to be careful what nonsense you post. Alot of testing indeed. 
Not sure I agree with the lots of testing part ๐คฃ
yes they care about big spenders
nah they don't care about bugs...
you mod so understand why say they work on bugs even when Devs don't
If they really work on bugs / test events... why we still have bugs
they said who didn't register on DD, could do regular RR... but ops it's bugged
did they fixed it?
nope
they work on new aircraft.. they wanna milk spenders
no time to fix bugs
MM ( mining mayhem)
2 months and still nothing about it

CC capital march time is bugged because Migo
showdown still Cardini frags
matchmaking still sucks
I believe they do. It's a matter of time
prove it?
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i want see that in game.. don't wanna hear about that only
you missed all what i write above or what?
If they really cared about fixing bugs they wouldn't add new ๐ฉ every month
Or almost everyday
it's easy to say devs care about bugs... but we don't see that in game
so they don't care
Because bugs cannot be fixed within a few hours or days. We collect all bugs and pass them on directly to the developers. But I'm not a developer and can only say what I know. Many bugs also affect individual states and not all states. but as already said, I can understand you, it's not nice to always have new bugs. That's why we are grateful for every single person who reports these bugs.
๐ ๐คฆ๐ฝโโ๏ธ
How much time the event was active? ๐ Still remember 1st...till the last i had same issues no matter on phone or pc(a f gaming pc with 64gb ram)...and i love this answer Please clean your cache...๐ค
another lie..
let me prove it for you
No point CR.7
Ofcourse can always try but it wont get anywhere
Expecially with new mods
We dont talk about small or rare bugs... We talk about something like bugged sending reinforcements to building on mm for like 12 months and wrong points counting
they fix the bugs which efect players in a positive manner ( less than 12 hours) for example it was bug on Behemoth bundles in beginning which give everyone alot frgs but they fixed it in same day...
but they don't fix the bugs which affect players in a negative manner. like MM, RR
MM already 2 months
also i put feedback before.. if can't fix bugs, don't add more dumb futures
but but they didn't and released tanks, tempest arms, etc etc
This is gambling bundles game so those are the most "important" ones in this game everything else just side quests or features ๐
๐คฃ
We mods are gamers like everyone else, we are not developers or customer service, we can give you the information we get. We will try to help you and pass on your wishes but also your criticism for processing. And I understand but the bugs are not only MM, I'm sure that the developers are already working on the bug in MM, but it might not be that easy to fix. ๐
well i am player and CM and mods say devs care about bugs...
so could tell devs fix MM / RR today?
if they didn't, then stop saying they care about bugs
They really haven't even tried, they just add new bundles and new content, never fix anything what really matters
fun - can only blame them self if players dont believe anything what is been said here by cm and mods unless is what for example cr.7 says because that is the truth
Mm won't be fixed for over a year. AH was simpler and it took them that long.
But there are other bugs that have been in game since almost day one. Never touched. Still an issue now
They care about bugs, i remember there was a bundle with insane amount of statues. After ppl buy it they said it was a bug and took them back. ๐
Within few hours
yes i know they care about bugs on bundles
..
Now that is bundle so ofcourse they fix it, its most important
Because that hurted them on bank account
Today is another new day to be able to say fu fun- ๐คฃ
Im playing this game because of ppl in my alliance, I know that nothing gonna be change.
I don't think so, they didn't give back diamonds ๐
I thought that was a strategy to make ppl buy more
Thats stealing ๐คญ
they use all possible ways tho
True
They give compensation which is like a joke. Can't say that was stealing only fooling ๐
could send to your bank about that and took it back from them
and explain what sos did
it's still steal
In game policy it mentioned that they can take whatever they want from account.
๐คฃ๐คฃ๐คฃ
i guess it's depends on your bunk / or the way you use to pay
Yes, if i paid in game i can refund my money, but i was buying diamonds from game web site
No buying diamonds anymore, not spending too
even if FP steal or cheat?
Do you know there are still issues in this game today, after 4 years of being present. How much time do they need.
What about the explorer glitching issues? They've been there for at least 2 years.
Idk, it happened few months ago, i checked the policy and it was mentioned there, like they can take whatever they want from the account
I just really wish people would think about the statements they make or comments before actually posting. It wouldn't aggravate people as much if they did.
If you don't know, just agree and move on. Don't make up words for the sake of it because that's what drivel you've ben told by someone else.
yes they did that with codes
Did they come back with a response to the in game email saying doomsday started at 10 utc?
It's bug in mail.. it's not 10 UTC..
i doubt it, will probably deny it was sent or say it was a bug
Thanks!
we have same mail.. but our DD time still 19 UTC
She can hardly say that the devs donโt care.
But stating it take time implies the same. It has taken 4 years for some of themโฆ.. AKA it takes time for the bugs we donโt care aboutโฆ.
that is to come most probably
I understand, but I also understand how development and bug fixes work, and how latent bugs can also stack and impact new content or other bugs. I also beleive there is a list of things to fix, which as you say includes those that they don't care about, but are still ever present. This is simply bad, sloppy, lazy coding.
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They use patches over patches over patches.
Remove one patch and it might all tumble down
I don't know how bugs get fixed..
but if they didn't add futures (tempest arms, tanks, new aircraft soon)
they were would have more time to fix bugs? but they chosed added them and worked on them
also suggest to stop add futures before.. until fix all bugs and lag.
but they still add more and more even when there bugs not fixed yet.. so i think they don't care about bugs
Hello Grandma! 
Nanami answer at a similar issue today: #๐๏ธฑfeedback-discussion message
correct time is the time you have in DD page
the stupid thing is, certain mail they can retract within 1min. but this misleading notification mail they just let be. oh wait... because there was no 50k diamonds attached to it.
knowing how they change things, the gameteam need to post an ingame message
It seems to be an error with the translator. In other languages, the mail displays the correct time which matches the time on the event page.
You gotta be joking ๐๐๐๐
stop defending their incompetence
Don't spend it all at once.
I can buy the whole shop with that
I canโt believe they thought omg what a great idea such useful reward to many many people ๐
I can be a whale!
I got that mail too but I didn't get any diamonds ๐
You can take mine๐


Its ok, you can keep them. Them 55 diamonds will buy you loaaaddddddds of bundles ๐
How can they even turn a real giveaway into a scam ๐ญ
I think they wanted give diamonds more people, therefore a small number of reward.
but i think they didn't take into account that you couldn't buy anything for it
Right?๐
Donโt worry there create a bundle for 55 diamonds to allow you to use it. It will include sarge frags, 100 bio and RRS. Enjoy
U forgot add blue frags!
I mean is literally a currency from pixels that they create xD as if sending enough diamonds for a bundle would make them broke cause extra pixels ๐๐
inflation sorry!
Better could not give tbh
55 cents.. cant even get a drink with that
Congrats, you can now buy? Something?
tap water 
They should about me then.. State is not 1 year old yet
And I already want to quit because of their lack of attention
Try 4 years and then complain about attention lol
When aircraft and monkey start coming, get ready to pay 500k usd
when you quit they will send you this
even when you quit they will ask for feedback.... ๐คฃ
When you slow spending too they wonder if you are ok 
yup ๐
I answered that message
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Oh.... no...
Only care after lose ๐ to late
yes they care when players quit but don't think they really care..
If some whales quit today for example..
they add more futures ( expensive ) to make whales who stayed spend more..
It's like trying make who doesn't spend, spend
and who spend, make him spend more
To compensate for the loss
like new aircraft... ( they use DD for it to make players spend on it)
and it's expensive if you saw bundles.
Anyone unlocked level 9 mines? Are they impossible this season as well?
they know some will quit after DD so trying make maximum money

Iโm scaring to open ๐คฃ
open it and try.. it will help you with Migo points
Migo talents
I mean
so won't be waste if couldn't beat lvl 9
well if I'm to weak, it's just a waste to upgrade it. Almost F2P now, so lots of other stuff that would help better
Any chance they could fix the RR very limited range of time/day selection while they in there? can't even complete task anyway with the times.
I think it's a fetish ๐
I mean it been feedback ever since you change and you lost revenue when people quit because of it
Maybe not once you upgrade new building, furtherest right, alot? It's a guess.
CM and mods said devs care about bugs but i don't see that in game..
If they care... want them fix MM and RR events today then send mail we fixed it..
only 2 events one of them already took 2 months
Yes, I unlocked lvl9 mines already
still gold Behemoth in?
and you can kill them without being almost maxed player?
@merry scroll @feral sinew
so could Devs fix those 2 events today ?
RR and mining mayhem
don't want compensation for RR .. ( their compensation it's trash)
If they didn't fix RR and MM today.. they 100% don't care about bugs
for MM it's already 2 months
so when i asked for fix it today ( they had alot time to fix it not 1 day).. why they need more time?
as always CM won't answer that because they know and see Devs don't work on bugs
but just say Devs care even when they don't
MM in small alliance worked good most of the times. Then it's 8 alliances with 5-20 players on map. For big alliances impossible to play. So biggest problem is that they needed bigger servers and that are expensive ๐
Or they need smarter developers
Yes, might have different strength level
in beginning was not for big alliances also. but got bug because their futures... Migo effect, statues effects... etc
they add things before they think if it will cause bugs /lags
Koth has more lag than MM
spectating feature not working for dd
Didnโt even give us enough time to upgrade our gen 17




