📋︱feedback-discussion

[steel musk]

yes

[ember mantle]

Okay that actually makes sense

Thanks for the answer CR.7

Honestly I cant manage it and keep trying to figure out what I must be doing wrong

[stark current]

None of the actual rally leads can get a good skill but random joiner accounts get 3x ultra rare in a row with their ascensions. Like sorry? You spend the most in state and you get screwed over by the ascension chances?

[stable cosmos]

Because this game is running on some really poor rng. Its not actual rng and is err, manipulated. So joiners may get good stuff in the hope of them buying for more. Leads are spending, keep trying, spend more, you'll get it next time

[ember mantle]

No one in my state seems to being getting anything really good honestly

[stark current]

At this point it would probably end up cheaper to spend $4k on one ultra rare through trading than continuing to attempt with my own ascensions. Because this is getting absurd.

[steel musk]

or just ignore it

[hot plover]

Gg

[stark current]

Sure, ignore it when you’re a lead trying to be competitive and the only area you continue to lag is complete chance

[steel musk]

could get it from trading store if want it so bad

for 200 - 400.. but this for 1 only tho

[stark current]

Mate I just said that in my previous message that you replied to

[steel musk]

better not spend for it.. if got it or not.. it won't make big difference in battle.. mostly depends on Behemoth

[stark current]

Okay, whatever you say. When everything else is better but there’s a big discrepancy in TA. It’s the TA that matters - shocking!

[steel musk]

yes if same stats / Behemoth.. maybe TA will make difference 😅

no way to get good skill 100% only if from trading store

could get it by time also.. Royal event, Migo.. could try doing it by those events

most players have good ultra rare skill on inf tempest arms.. ( eagle)
if don't have it yet then try on inf tempest arms.. maybe you get 1

i guess more chance to get ultra skill on inf TA

devs won't change it.. they just will say spend more to get it.. 👀
an example

[stable cosmos]

She's easy to obtain. Open your wallet. Hard to obtain would be relying on epic search to get her and thats the only method

[steel musk]

is she even there?

[stark current]

I honestly don’t understand why you’re telling me this when I’ve said I’ve upgraded >20x. I know where to get it from. It’s just not working 🙄

[steel musk]

do it as f2p maybe that's could work 😂

[stark current]

K thx for your input - very helpful

[steel musk]

you could write feedback about it if want

*feedback report

[patent olive]

Why saberlot sobbing

[steel musk]

don't have angelica maybe 😅

or not enough players spend to get her lol

[spice jungle]

not enough players getting her to continue paying his salary

[steel musk]

there some who buy everything.. only them who will buy her..
someone bought TA ( without skill) and it had 2 stats only for 150$

could check TA list and see it

bought list

not selling or bind

[spice jungle]

considering that the devs can list an item and buy from themselves I dunno if it means anything

[steel musk]

yes they could do that 🤔

[stable cosmos]

No. But that would be "hard" buying her is easy, just have to spend. Nothing hard about that unless you're a cheapskate

[stiff ether]

Hardest thing to obtain at the moment must the the HQ skin exchange token from the Sotf chests. Even the 0.1% probability seems quite good optimistic.

[slender merlin]

Lol Angelica and selina aren't hard to obtain. They are expensive to obtain.

[rare snow]

I was excited when Angelica came out until I saw how much it was going to cost

[stray acorn]

🤣

[rare snow]

No matter how ridiculously low the chance is… I apparently can’t get rid of the last glimmer of hope that I have lol 😂

[stray acorn]

I even saved those crates for 3sotf and used them all to increase the chance but nothing XD

[rare snow]

I never had a chance… too many whales playing in my bracket, I’d have to take out a second mortgage lol 😂

[gritty fiber]

Cheaper to save pearls 🦪

[stable cosmos]

I genuinely did get that. The skins on offer are just ones that are regularly available. Took the turkey one.

[thorny plume]

LOL i just wanna say, Merry Christmas to you too funplus 😂

Love that part of the event

[stable cosmos]

Was this the last MM for a while or is it meant to be gone already?

[lean leaf]

@merry scroll Tell me that these requirements is just a bug

[stable cosmos]

Hadn't looked. Nobody is reaching 15k so lets include that in migo so they try harder? No. Get f'ed devs

[lean leaf]

when most tasks gives miserable ~210 points per task and thats are purple ones, 71 task to get 15k points lol

[stable cosmos]

I don't think thats possible without burning out on the custom tasks

[stray acorn]

15k POINTS FOR TD?!!!!

we asked for a better plan for TD and this is our answer?!

[stable cosmos]

You get 6 a day, thats 49 tops so unless you take the custom ones you don't make it

[hardy cargo]

We were 3rd last time in TD, we should have advanced a tier higher, but we had not. I don't know if it's a good or a bad thing though. 😅

[lean leaf]

always was 7.5k points needed 🤣 then it was changed to do 28 tasks in one of the migo milestones🤣 now we have “new” spenders edition td event and changed to 15k points in milestones 🤣

great plan

[lavish heron]

I think it’s fair in my opinion.

[stable cosmos]

For migo throwdown should be "do 1 task" thats it

[lavish heron]

15k isn’t hard to get

[stray acorn]

you're serious or joking?

[lean leaf]

If you wanna and have 10k plasma to waste in event like alliance td sure

[lavish heron]

I’m serious. I have a f2p account and last TD I got way over that. I have a p2p account also and definitely did way more than that

[river falcon]

What? now we can't play Throwdown?.. WTF?

[inner yoke]

paid actor

[lavish heron]

Nope. Not plasma or speedups.

[stray acorn]

sure

[lavish heron]

It’s about knowing what to do. People don’t really play this game smart especially f2p

[stray acorn]

you're right, we're all idiots, keep spending...i mean, keep playing

[lavish heron]

I see lots of f2p fighting and trying to be like p2p and that’s where there’s a problem

[stable cosmos]

I made it to 7500 last time with a day to spare. Didn't do my alloted 6 per day because it wasn't worth the bios

[lavish heron]

Never said anyone was an idiot

[stray acorn]

tell me how to spend 10k plasma wisely

[lavish heron]

Not plasma or speedups

You don’t touch those

[lean leaf]

Then whats the secret? because with exlorer challenges/rally launched/rss gathering tasks you ain’t making 15k points, even if you find enough such tasks, you have limited to 49 tasks per event and you need 71

[stable cosmos]

What tasks did you take then?

[stray acorn]

then what?

[river falcon]

you know the game is dead when we are alliance at Rank 17 and we "don't have enough active members"

and can't participate in TD.

The game is getting stupid

[stable cosmos]

Either you emptied your backpack on the customs or you found some magic task that gives 1200 points

[lavish heron]

Alright. You have 7 now and can get extra 5 challenges for free…. What you do is DONT do anything that requires plasma or speedups… for today, pick the regular task and your custom task but pick frags, explorer etc… when heli parts open, do those in special task(I know you will say why waste it but heli parts are basically useless in svs and CC. Their points don’t add anything but will give you a better score in TD)

I wish I could explain better with images and video but if you are a p2p, you gotta know what to go for

[stray acorn]

you know u have to have frags and parts to pass those tasks right?

[lean leaf]

Heli parts is the only way how to get tactical analysis materials

[lavish heron]

Don’t do anything there.

[stable cosmos]

Heli parts? Ah yes. I have thousands of those. Except i do not, and even if i did i wouldn't have thousands next time.

Every event should be possible to complete by a newbie with an empty backpack

[lavish heron]

General frags are everywhere but if you don’t have that, then use hero completion on the day it’s available… that is also useless during CC and SVS

[stray acorn]

dude have u checked daily tasks too?u have to have frags besides in old states frags are only for limitless talents, we have no hero left un-maxed to use like 20frags on

[stray acorn]

which state are u?

[lavish heron]

I really wish I can show you guys through a video or picture

[lavish heron]

652 and 888. Two accounts in each othem.

[stray acorn]

u can send pictures here if you're not trolling us

[lavish heron]

Alright. Give me a second.

[stable cosmos]

I know what you're saying but its not ongoing. You succeed once and it just gets harder after that as your materials dwindle

[stray acorn]

becuz it seems you're trooling, so u gather heli parts from tiles or what?

[dense lance]

how many members do you have? Throwdown requires at least 15 members that are HQ 10 or higher

[lavish heron]

No. It works well. Brb. Lemme try to get an image and also try to explain better

[lean leaf]

If you don’t use your heli parts to convert them to tactical analysis materials then im sorry

[stray acorn]

to pass for example Heli parts u have to have them at first place, or frags, or anything else

[river falcon]

huh? HQ 10 and above?

[dense lance]

if you have that, it's bugged, if you don't have that, that is in the rules

[river falcon]

that has never happened

I've been playing TD for so long

[dense lance]

HQ 10 meaning the level 10 HQ, not Plasma 10 (HQ 40) or anything

[river falcon]

i have 36 members

but not all are active...

[dense lance]

okay, how many are actives?

[river falcon]

about 8 to 10 are always active

and it has been like that for many months

[dense lance]

you need at least 15 that are active enough for the game to consider them active

[river falcon]

is this new?.. because i could participate in so many TDs prior to that

[dense lance]

I'm not 100% sure of how far back it's been 15, but 15 is the requirement in the rules

maybe one or two fell "inactive" enough to be considered officially inactive in the last 2 weeks

[stable cosmos]

And if you haven't done so, restart your game

[dense lance]

I can say for sure that as far back as I remember there has been a requirement, it's just not a very big requirement

[stable cosmos]

Who gave the feedback "make throwdown worse" btw? Like we didn't all hate it already

[lean leaf]

for 3 years we asked to update rewards or just remove it 🤣

Seems like hard to understand simple things

[lavish heron]

@stray acorn @lean leaf @stable cosmos… that exclusive, I will NEVER PICK IT. Anything that has to do with fist, STAY AWAY. But if you want to use speedups, then pick from the custom task but NEVER AND I MEAN NEVER pick fist. I see lots of f2p running to it but that’s not smart. For today, pick regular task and only the purple ones.

Also pick biocaps. Use them for the free value vouchers and also in store to buy speedups…

From tomorrow, the day that heli parts, frags, or hero completion shows up, pick it in custom task but ensure it aligns with journey to glory

I really dunno how else to explain it but playing as a f2p is playing smart. As I said, I have 2 fp2 and getting 15k points isn’t difficult. I am not chasing p2p and I know my limit

I don’t spend all my stuff in one event in my f2p accounts

[stray acorn]

1. for biocaps, u have to have lots of them, to have lots of them u have to buy bundles
2. for heli parts, which u need a hell of them, u have to buy bundles or either do solo missions, solo missions have ends ages ago

[lavish heron]

I do enough to rank average and get good rewards. For example I always shoot for top 50 in svs or CC as a f2p

[lean leaf]

as a f2p is smart to save limitless frags in a first place, not to use in such event as td

[stray acorn]

also for frags, u have to

1. gain them them
2. be able to convert them to hero frags, so if your heroes are maxed or limitless it wont work

[lean leaf]

Same with heli parts, convert it to tactical analysis

[stable cosmos]

Heli parts exist in mining mayhem, pretty much it

[lavish heron]

Where do you want to use the frags that will give you good points??

[stray acorn]

u need them for limitless

[lavish heron]

The problem is you guys are trying to rank extremely high and compete with p2p

[lean leaf]

Sotf 10k per frag

[lavish heron]

Yes, use them for limitless. It counts

[stray acorn]

what is rank XD I'm F2P, never had ranks never wants them, i just want to pass and it work work this way

[stable cosmos]

I've been hoarding them for ages using them when it grants a benefit, throwdown was BARELY a consideration for them and tbh, I'd run out too fast relying on your method

[lavish heron]

SOTF is a waste if you use frags there. If you can’t use 100 at least which is roughly decent, then you’re wasting your time and frags

[stray acorn]

it won't just did

[lavish heron]

You sure it’s the same thing we are talking about??

[stable cosmos]

General frags you have to convert first

[lean leaf]

When you save behemoth frags/batteries/ limitless frags/tactical analysis materials, and use these in sotf believe me it makes sense

[lavish heron]

I use the frags to upgrade the skills

[stray acorn]

you sure you're not trooling me?cuz we test this TD first in PTR and it didn't work

[lavish heron]

Nah. I don’t use behe stuff for TD

[stray acorn]

kindly show which skils umean

[lean leaf]

Just saying, these materials gives “alot” points in SotF, but not really in svs prep

[lavish heron]

I am not. I can show you my rank at the end of the event in my f2p. I have lots of stuff on my f2p cause I focus on particular events and I don’t look to use all.

[stray acorn]

I once had a friend in 792 who was also F2P then once he told us about how his GM is not answering him and he's angry about

[lavish heron]

This is my f2p Conor

Those skills

The one at the right.

[stable cosmos]

Tap that and convert. Then the frags give points

You can't just use them

[lavish heron]

No it doesn’t. We just finished SOTF. Calculate them and find out. You will need a lot to get high if you use them

[dense lance]

also if you don't want to convert too many, be careful, the menu doesn't go away or clear the number when you convert, just close the menu and you should see you now have specific hero fragments instead of the generic ones

[lean leaf]

journey to glory thats the place where almost all comes from, but then still… end up needing more than there is converting every single week to tactical analysis materials

[stable cosmos]

Have to make them into a hero frag first. It does however mean you're upgrading something useless though most of the time

[lavish heron]

Yes as he said. Convert you golden to the frags and use it. Only convert the number you selected

[tidal apex]

So is this "event" just 5 fuel from log in reward once which allows us to progress one time and thats all? Everything else is pay only?

[stable cosmos]

This comes up a lot in throwdown and it doesn't help that the tooltip is garbage

[stray acorn]

how to convert them when all my golden not limitless heroes are maxed?

[lean leaf]

i got 38m or 39m just by using behemoths frags/batteries/few hundred limitless hero frags and tactical analysis stuff

[lavish heron]

Select this. You need just 20. Go to the skills and convert just 20

[stable cosmos]

Got limitless buzz, lori etc?

[stray acorn]

yes

[lavish heron]

I never said use behe. Those are good for SOTF and SVS. For tactical analysis, what counts the most are those badges. Use your tactical analysis in TD and keep it at the badge level for SOTF and SVS

[stable cosmos]

And can you upgrade their skills? Or have you maxed those out too?

[lavish heron]

Are you a f2p??

[stray acorn]

i cant becuz i have not enough frags and potions

[stray acorn]

also yes

[stable cosmos]

Do you have any of gen 7-12 who are on purple brain?

[dense lance]

do you have VIP activated?

[lavish heron]

Focus on right heroes… you don’t need all heroes. Lemme show you my heroes.

[stray acorn]

always

[lean leaf]

What tactical analysis badges you talking about?

[dense lance]

okay good, you can convert some using the method they showed

unless none are purple brain

[stray acorn]

to convert golden frags to main hero frags, u have to have a hero than needs general frags to be converted right?

[stray acorn]

yes many of them are in blue brain lvl

[stable cosmos]

How many are purple? Open one of those

[lavish heron]

For TD I use the books( not everything. Just enough to score good points) then if I can, I leave it at the level for the badges. Use the badges for svs and SOTF. Way better

[dense lance]

100% are blue brain? not a single purple?

[stray acorn]

only those who devs made purple automatically

[lean leaf]

Thats not tactical analysis

[stable cosmos]

Fine. Open one of those

[dense lance]

you can increase the skills of those ones using fragments, they just have to be converted from generic gold -> specific hero

[lavish heron]

I mean tactical guide

[stable cosmos]

Go to a purple brain hero and click on a skill on the right.

[lean leaf]

These rights there you showing gives slim to none points in svs prep or sotf

even if you had thousands of books

[dense lance]

Strings is still useful even if you're on a generation 13 to 16 state, also I'd recommend picking 1 hero at that point and upgrading their first skill (the top one) so that you can join rallies using him or her as the captain

[keen drift]

Anyone know if I can save flawless pearls for this frame?

[stable cosmos]

You can save pearls. But the frame may not be in the shop next time

[lavish heron]

My heroes on f2p. I didn’t bother with these new heroes. Most I have the frags but didn’t unlock. I will select frags now and unlock it. So when I pick the frags option(for example use 20 frags) I will unlock a hero with 10 and look for another to unlock. Like Chris, Leon and Ada, I haven’t unlocked.

[keen drift]

Okay, thanks!

[lavish heron]

My Maddie is what I’m working on now and she will be limitless now @stray acorn

[lean leaf]

limitless hero frags doesn’t count for “use 20 legendary frags” tasks

[stray acorn]

you could do that but you'll be far behind players in all events

[lavish heron]

But I am not. I just finished top 50 in SOTF(that’s a norm for me)

I don’t spend a penny on that account and I have another f2p just like that.

[stray acorn]

guess your range of states in sotf is fair, mine is not we have some beyond spenders

[lavish heron]

What was the 50th persons score in your state??

[stable cosmos]

There are more than 50 spenders in my state. Short of upgrading every badge to max in a single sotf there is no way I'm coming top 50

[lavish heron]

What state??

[steel musk]

do you even play? It's dead alliance.. don't have 15 players

[lavish heron]

If there are spenders, then they won’t be doing badges. If there are lots of spenders as you claim, then they will focus on training day cause almost everything is maxed

[lean leaf]

Personally to me, wasting golden gen frags on td tasks is absolutely nonsense, i better save them and keep them for pearl/chips event, you can get max points and max pearls in each event stage and then buy stuff that matters like dino stuff and etc

[stable cosmos]

11 million for rank 50

[stray acorn]

55m

[stable cosmos]

And i would not be able to badge myself above that unless i used up all of them and had nothing for next time

[steel musk]

55 mil? 🙄

[stray acorn]

cross state 120m

[lavish heron]

Not the winner, the 50th

[stable cosmos]

Might still be on old sotf where the points were good

[lavish heron]

That’s fair. I finished with over 11m points to get into top 50 also

Yet I still have things I can upgrade…

[timber cargo]

Could you make the Mining Mayhem times worse? WTH, why keep messing with them?

[stable cosmos]

Last mm for a while

[stray acorn]

i can't use everything i have which is not enough on simply TD, i only have less than 400gold frags, and I'm daily doing all events and such, vip10

[lavish heron]

Well I don’t know how to explain it anymore but it’s not so difficult to get it. Play like a f2p if you are one and you’ll do well.

[lavish heron]

I do the same. Lemme snap my backpack and show you.

[lean leaf]

Td is not an event to waste materials on lol

especially for f2p

[stable cosmos]

Fat lot of good also if throwdown gives you infected, explorer and bundles. I can't remember seeing any decent tasks in there. No heli parts. All the interesting stuff is in the custom tasks section

[stray acorn]

exactly my point

[dense lance]

the new 15k requirement is pretty lousy for F2P though, ain't no hiding that 😦

[steel musk]

they Increased Migo.. 15K

[dense lance]

and they increased it on Christmas day of course

[stable cosmos]

Man you keep a lot of chests closed for no good reason

[stray acorn]

you're not using anything?

those RL crates are ancient

[lavish heron]

That’s what I mean. I play it smart

[lavish heron]

I know😂

Just touched them this SOTF

[stray acorn]

not opening them is nothing to do with being smart honestly becuz they only have decoratives

[lavish heron]

Nope… they have everything

Gears, badges etc

[stray acorn]

u have like 30golden migo chips, we have a migo soon that u can't use them so it'll all goes waste

[lavish heron]

What I do is I don’t look for too 20 in events like SOTF for example. I focus on top 50.

[stray acorn]

also opening them won't let them goes waste, u still have them in backpack

[lavish heron]

Who says I won’t use them??

I will use them.

[hardy cargo]

Yeah, I guess. Easier to get enough points for MIGO.

[lavish heron]

Give me any event, and I will explain how I do it

[stable cosmos]

Previous sotf, and throwdown you could keep your backpack at equlibrium, using what you earnt and having enough for next time. Now you're always running at a deficit. Earning less than you spend

[dense lance]

the rewards don't scale all that well too so it's not a huge upside

for going up, I mean

[lean leaf]

sure just like td, need +600 golden frags to hit 15k

[lavish heron]

If as a f2p you want to use up everything you have on one event, then that’s not smart. Two ways to play as a f2p

1. Ignore ranks and just upgrade as you get stuff.
2. Follow events and look to finish mid way for good rewards.

[stable cosmos]

Top rewards are junk

[thorny plume]

But thats a waste

[lavish heron]

As I said, f2p

[thorny plume]

Why use on crappy Conor when we have lan that needs shards

[lean leaf]

Idk i read it of someone else 🤣 probably its even lower yeah

[stable cosmos]

7 tasks a day, you pay bios for the last 2 iirc, and they're expensive. After that you're done till reset

[thorny plume]

Every other hero is more or less maxed except skills, very many tasks arent suitable for people maxed in heros medals etc

[dense lance]

I agree, I remember having a F2P person in my alliance that saved everything for ages and ages and blew everything to get in the top of SOTF just once, which involved using loads of hero fragments that would have benefited him substantially more if used when those generations were current. I was proud of him for getting his dream but strategically it was a disaster and he was way weaker than he should have been for a reward that didn't make up for it.

[lavish heron]

F2p please. I am not caring about every hero. There will be a better hero released next, do I then jump to that?? I am working on maddie instead on lan cause she is easier

[lavish heron]

Exactly what most f2p do

[thorny plume]

I have to work on kan, because Maddie is ix ix ix

[stable cosmos]

The new limitless don't use gold frags anyway

[lavish heron]

Yeah yours is understandable

[thorny plume]

Nicola is ix ix ix, so no shards for him either

[stable cosmos]

I have carlos in purple, no frag conversion there

[lean leaf]

What 7 tasks a day ?, you can buy only 6

[thorny plume]

Point is they broke it

They think they fixed, but they broke

[lavish heron]

I will leave lan. When another gen is out, then I will focus on that new gen. Skip Lan’s gen for me on that account

[stable cosmos]

Is it 6? Ok, worse again

[thorny plume]

Lan is supposedly good, so cant skip her yet. Probably better then Evelyn

[lavish heron]

I know and I agree but I won’t go for every hero. There is Maddie and lan and Maddie is way easier and it’s what I’ve been saying as a F2P…

[stable cosmos]

Won't matter. You'll be limited by potions and capsules. Your frags have no power over gen 15+

[thorny plume]

But they made it kinda hard for players that have put in money previusly. Now were forced to use crystals and plasma. But we "only" need to use 5000 plasma i think

[stray acorn]

u don't know and can't be sure what comes in future, we never ever though one day maddie become a strong hero or even limitless

[lavish heron]

I’m skipping Evelyn also but it also depends on the next gen tho. If so weak then I can pick Lan

[lean leaf]

Hows is that weaker? why not save something for long and don’t upgrade anything, when no matter what or how much you upgraded, if someone wanted to burn you, you burn anyways

[lavish heron]

Yeah I know. See my latest response

[lavish heron]

You’ll be weak in the end

[lean leaf]

🤣

[dense lance]

because it reduced him from "weak" to "totally ineffective and defenseless"

[stray acorn]

i saw that's why I'm saying u need all heroes, imagine soon we have another kind of heroes that needs those heroes u don't have, also devs won't provide u with their frags, so it'll be a lose

[stable cosmos]

If you're f2p you're already weak... thats normal

[lavish heron]

Exactly

[lavish heron]

You can’t get all heroes as f2p. That’s your mistake.

[thorny plume]

Even mid spenders is weak now. Gaps keep increasing

[dense lance]

during most generations you can get enough to get by as long as you save up enough biocaps for the ray's place -> ray's place cycle, do the right research, be smart, etc., you'll never beat someone who threw thousands and thousands of dollars at something but you won't be a complete sitting duck

[stable cosmos]

But there is no real point at all "working" on any hero thats not limitless. They provide no benefit at all

[stray acorn]

i have them all as a F2P and before limitless i was one of those strong players

[lean leaf]

You weak anyways, absolutely no difference wether you save everything for a year and do minimum to hit all milestones, or don’t save and use all all the time you get, in end of both versions you burn anyway

Right so even worse good to know 🤣

[stable cosmos]

I like progression. And collecting. Both are more important than f-ing throwdown targets. Which are now and I'll say it again, out of reach of a newbie with an empty backpack

[dense lance]

hitting all those milestones isn't saving everything, the type that tries to go all out in 1 SOTF or SVS prep is usually not doing that either

[lean leaf]

Sadly not as it involves straight bundles purchases 🤣

[thorny plume]

Its insane theese days. Did some tests where Angelica guy hit me. He hit quite hard. I think he took out 200k in a solo and im fairly decent. Not strong not weak. But any determined rich guy could grind you down if he has little care for his troops, even with newest gen maxed on the wall etc

[stable cosmos]

Throwdown should be the beginner event.

[lean leaf]

Im talking about just hitting sotf and svs prep stages milestones

[icy sage]

we are currently in the expert tier of throwdown. last time point ceiling was 4800. this time its this? what's going on? how is it for other alliances?

[lavish heron]

Well good luck in TD everyone. Calling it a night and merry Christmas 🎁 (to this who celebrate)

[stable cosmos]

We're in the top and its 15k. Count yourself lucky

[lean leaf]

Read up you will see 🤣

[dense lance]

Champion is 15k

[pine tree]

you cant get any lower than journey of glory on Christmas day,really?

[stable cosmos]

About the only thing thats alright is that both targets are 15k. Before it was 4200 for throwdown and 7500 for migo

And by alright i mean there wasn't an additional punishment added

[dense lance]

don't challenge them, they can go lower 🤣

[pine tree]

i know😂

[pallid willow]

They can pass their 15k points through my stomach full of christmas food and end its way on the toilet tomorrow😋 imma token that task asf

[honest hound]

What wrong with Alliance Throwdown again? They don't want us save something for svs sotf ? 7500 was hard because of troops power up missions and now they double it?

[stable cosmos]

Merry xmas. We've made an event that you already hate worse.

I hope the devs always step in cold water while wearing socks and constantly burn their toast

[north moss]

Merry Christmas everyone . I hope that you will have an amazing day with your family
Okay I just noticed the changes in townhall as well . I'm not a fun either.

I almost dropped my phone when I saw the 15k points

Have you tried to submit your feedback about the event,in #feedback reporting channel with the format that has been posted in #📋︱feedback-how-to ?

I can help if you need help on how you can do that

[north moss]

I'm not a fun of the double points either

I personally use the power up task but mostly the speedup

Have you tried to submit your feedback about the event,in #feedback reporting channel with the format that has been posted in #📋︱feedback-how-to ?

[stable cosmos]

We submitted a bunch last time. This was obviously planned to happen no matter what as our prior feedback was that the point increases suck. I'm going to wait til january and possibly till a CM shows up as I'd like the displeasure to go where it should a little more rapidly

[vernal moss]

We are with you on the ridiculous increase in point requirements. This will be due to being revised and seeing players spending more and earning more points for the solo ranking for cross state.

However it’s still ridiculous regardless. I’d highly encourage players to constantly revisit this in #📋︱feedback-reporting to show this is seriously beyond testing our limits.

[primal lark]

When we will able to transfer our account to steam? I want to play SOS on my steam deck.

[vernal moss]

I can imagine players will still do this even though it’s wrong. Some would of commuted to SoTF already and this change will pressure them and initially force them to do it if they want the migo currency.
However something does need to be done.

I just personally encourage to enjoy your Christmas and ignore it.

[vernal moss]

Hi drakonest. I’m not sure if it’s compatible but I can ask and see if I get a response. I can pop a dm if I do get one if you’d like.

[primal lark]

Thank you

[lime galleon]

There isn't a free way to get Jerry cans for journey of surprises?

[pallid willow]

Of course not 🙈

[dense lance]

I think it's just the sign in bonus

[silent tree]

I dont think there is.. it’s written under the “rules” as well

you can obtain them via purchases

[tardy night]

Christmas events run by f+ are for Spenders.

Buy in at 1k per event

[silent tree]

And the not so fun part is, imagine really buying it and only advancing one step

[stable cosmos]

Same as underground treasures. Or the star ascension thing with the claw machine

[barren summit]

As I have already mentioned, this is not a Christmas event, it is simply a drag on the wealthier people financially.I'm getting sick of this game. Pure nausea.I recommend thinking about this topic for those who spend a lot of money on it throughout the year, maybe at Christmas FUNPLUS could have given a real Christmas atmosphere, but no one can hide from their true self.🤮 🤮 🤢 🤮

Merry Christmas guys

4 people left my server yesterday, I think I have to make friends with this idea too

this game has become terrible

[rocky otter]

I've never seen this in any other game. There must be other ways to earn this. Bundle cannot be the only option

👎👎👎

[wide wraith]

because they think no one in the game celebrates Christmas, they are just using it as an excuse to make even more money,

maybe the CMs can find out why the Christmas event (excluding rain of riches) has been so bad

[barren summit]

I play on 3 servers, I have 7 characters P10, P10, P8, P7, and P2 X3. Nevertheless, I think I have to make friends with the idea of deleting everything

[wide wraith]

FP, the studio management and Devs, dont care who leaves all they care about is money, so unless you brought packs they wont care, isnt that true @feral sinew

It helps if they were actually available in the first place

[barren summit]

don't have any illusions, it's not just f2p gone here, several rich people have already left my server .

There was a state merged about half a year ago and the server is empty again

[wide wraith]

yeah i know a lot who have left also but paid employees dont care who leaves as long as their are enough stupid people who will spend

[barren summit]

it is true

[wide wraith]

my state merged this year and is basically dead

[barren summit]

it's the same here

[wide wraith]

even the CMs dont care that the community is basically dying or they would have commented by now

[barren summit]

I don't think any CM's opinion matters at FunPlus

[wide wraith]

then whats the point of them or those who are put in the funplus section, fire them and save money

[barren summit]

I think the Cms' job is to monitor the Discord interface and ensure the proper functioning of this channel. I don't know who is in the funplus section, I think they come here just to laugh......

[wide wraith]

i wonder if Charles Dickens had FP in mind when he wrote "A Christmas Carol" after all the company is the exact same as Scrooge

their actions and replies with probably be "Bahhh Humbug"

[barren summit]

thi is good

Are you thinking here that Scrooge knows about the death of the "game"?
🤣 🤣

the analogy is very good

[wide wraith]

thinking about when the ghost of Christmas yet to come, shows Scrooge this death and people either are celebrating or couldnt care less

[barren summit]

I thought you were referring to Marley's death, as Scoorge's character is described in it

[wide wraith]

got my ghosts in a muddle lol

but using Marley's ghost could you imagine their life in hell, made to play one of their own games

[barren summit]

🤣 🤣 🤣

[slender sierra]

This is Xmas, not April’s fools 😂

[barren summit]

this is FunPlus Zaza, I hope you are enjoying your new state, Merry Christmas

[north moss]

Oh my! I will definitely ask about this.
Selina was way too expensive to recycle her frags.

Merry Christmas by the way

[slender sierra]

Ok, I think I understand now

You need 2 types of frags to upgrade Selina. The recycle function is to use the Selina frags to get the chain frag

And btw, it means you can use those chain frags on Angelica as well

[unique slate]

this is way the feedback session more lively than my state

[wide wraith]

guess its just for certain states, or should i say the whales of certain states

[fiery zephyr]

Really? I mean, logic before was - “chain” frags are universal frags for resonators, you can change them to specific hero frag and upgrade him… now it’s reversed? You recycle hero frag for chain frag to upgrade? 🤦🏻‍♂️

[steady umbra]

I belive chain frags for Angelica and Selina are different than ones for other resonated. So on these frags you can recycle them to chain ones.
Cos you can upgrade skills with these chain frags.

[viscid ore]

how do you get 800frag of Angelica?!? 😱😱😱

[stable cosmos]

Ok. So i made a mistake in feedback reporting and wanted to start again. Waiting 30 minutes till i can post is a bit on the nose isn't it?

[viscid ore]

I have 0!! 🤣🤣

[stable cosmos]

Post something and watch the channel treat you like the devs do

[tardy night]

You just edit the post.

Like going in and getting 50+ upvotes to a perfectly reasonable feedback and then editing to f f+ 🫡

[stable cosmos]

Wanted to add a screenshot. Can't do that via edit. I could have posted it after but those have a tendency to get deleted

I don't mind the slowmode but 30 minutes is a little much

[peak apex]

JinglebellMods

The dev team have given us a few codes to pass out over the next few days to say thank you for the past year. These are super limited (1000 redemptions). valid till Jan.03, 00:00 UTC, 2024 (I have no idea what the rewards are, I hope it’s something nice )

iOS users redeem here
https://sos.kingsgroupgames.com/giftcode/index.html

[stable cosmos]

I was expecting something related to feedback. Someone taken over your account?

[peak apex]

rather than posting in the gift code channel we will be posting in some random channels, I figured as I spend most of my time in this channel I’d throw one here

[peak apex]

Have reduced the cooldown - it was introduced due to ease some issues but I get your point - we will see how it goes with the reduction

[stable cosmos]

Thank you for the past year 1000 people only....

[peak apex]

I wish we could have unlimited redemptions but that’s what we were given per code 😅

[stable cosmos]

Ta. I think 5 minutes would be more than enough for normal activity. I still gotta wait my original pain though

[silent tree]

I couldn’t redeem it

[slender sierra]

Super limited, great. The time IOS users connect to that link, they’re gone 🙄

[slender sierra]

800 frags and not used. Looks like PTR to me. Why would someone have 800 left after maxing her ?

[viscid ore]

🤷🏻‍♀️

I'm in PTR, but I don't have Angelica there either!!

🤣🤣🤣

[rocky otter]

Maybe he's the developer or has a connection. They add unlimited resources to themselves and make people spend money to defeat them.

[woven spire]

Cant even max her (lvl 7 and max skills) some people in ptr get free stuff. They full deny aswell 😂

Even selina lvl 7 max skills

And dino 48 skills maxed😂

Thats your test server😂

And those people are f2p in live haha

[uneven bane]

Which PTR is this? There is no conversion in the BOW game yet, it does not appear there

[woven spire]

😂😂

RE heroes never were released in ptr aswell

Ptr is just a little server with few dev friends and the rest dont matter. Even if you spend on there. Its impossible to max selina cause simply not enough stuff released. Same for angelica

[rapid bronze]

When will be the next effortless progress??

[uneven bane]

Idk😏

[woven spire]

Never😂

[uneven bane]

😂why

[woven spire]

Cause its something for free😂

[uneven bane]

Can I ask something?

[woven spire]

No

😂

[uneven bane]

Now there are very good players advancing in this BOW game. Will this be disabled when a new PTR comes?

[uneven bane]

Oh sorry ok😂

[woven spire]

New ptr?

Who said new ptr comes

[uneven bane]

Yes PTR 2.0

[woven spire]

This is ptr 2.0

Ptr 1 merged with it

[uneven bane]

#🔗official-links-archive

[uneven bane]

Yes, that's what happened, I wonder if it will be disabled when another PTR comes out?

[woven spire]

Dont know

Dont think so because some really spend there

[uneven bane]

Yes, I hope it doesn't disappear because almost everything is free😂

[woven spire]

Stupid to spend since people get maxed out for nothing and its dead lol

[uneven bane]

Since the ₺ exchange rate difference is too high, I am not good with spending, I am a freeloader😂

[steel musk]

here also some get free stuff..
for example why someone would buy TA which has 2 stats only not lvl 10 even.. for 150$

not everyone spend.. some in game just to puch you to spend more.. ( that's their job)

[rapid bronze]

dec feedback..#💫feedback-dec-2023 message

[mighty gorge]

I wonder who writes these things. One of them isn't even legible English. And who gives a crap about R4/R5, there are 100 other more important things

[charred swift]

40 people out of how many million, no wonder the devs don’t waste their time reading this feedback

[stable cosmos]

The problem with the system is that once a thing is done or voted on its never heard from again. New sotf is still not good because of the costs. Used to be way easier to hit the targets. But its out of the main stream of annoyance now so although there were 3000+ votes about it the devs never said anything. So the feedback goes into a black hole

Gotta feedback on the same thing every week/month it shows up and then hope people still care. I wish the devs had to report back on this stuff. But instead we get tanks and skins

[little cloak]

I understand how frustrating it can be but feedback is the only way to get to where we want it to be even if it's the same feedback every week

[steel musk]

even if 1 mi voted.. they won't care about feedback

an example..

If your feedback not about money.. maybe they will fix it

it's not about how many do vote

so what's was your feedback 👀

[silent tree]

some feedbacks take time to implement

[steel musk]

yes if it's not about money

[stable cosmos]

Some feedback would take 5 minutes to fix. Like the TA banners.

[steel musk]

no no not many spend for TA.. those banneres will make players spend.. I wonder who is had this dumb idea

[marble grove]

Is this actually a sick joke? Cannot trade away old fragments, but new selina ones? Was worth spending thousands to recycle them yes?

[steel musk]

they know what happen in game...
like 777 luck store
Gem lvl 5.. they take it back ( steal it) from players who bought it.. and give compensation 2k coins.. then put Gem lvl 2 in store ( all that in same day)
didn't take days or months
why? because it's about money
also no one reported that here

so all feedback here is useless

so don't come and tell me they need time..

[steel musk]

Angelica also

just old heros can't convert them.. 👀

some was could convert them but to bios lol

like Darryl

[tidal apex]

Yup, they should answer feedbacks. I agree that we cant expect them to answer to everything but at least few most voted reports every month should be answered.

Even short:
"We are working on it"
"Impossible, will never happen"
"It will be updated next month"
Would be fine to have...

[vale yoke]

I would accept negative answers from them if they explained the process. "No, we can't do this because it will further affect these components, so we're thinking of ways to work around that in order to maintain stability without affecting gameplay. If you have ideas, we'd love to hear them."

[steel musk]

no time for that.. They're on holiday it's Christmas... and they leaved players to deal with throwdown lol

[tidal apex]

Its not about having them answer right now during holidays. Problem is they never say anything holidays or not.

[mighty gorge]

Muy issue is that I've advocated multiple times how the system can be improved. All I've heard is 'its being looked at'; In the time its taken, I could have built an entire ecosystem for the military.

Oh, and Happy Christmas All 🎄 🤶

[steel musk]

and it's still being looked at 🤣

[tidal apex]

They are looking into updating bunker rewards since 2 years ago :p everything takes ton of time here xD

[mighty gorge]

New Year is just around the corner, it will be a new day, and fresh start for everyone. We will all be enthralled at the changes that will come about in 2024!

[tidal apex]

Yup, for sure! Plasma 15 and t13 troops right around the corner

[vale yoke]

Tbh I still want my dev chat. While I have spoken with Nanami - who is lovely, by the way, and being kept very busy on her end - it doesn't take away that these chats were promoted as a feature of Camp Cafe, and I've been waiting since 5 September for mine to be scheduled.
Chats like those could help with some of these issues, and lead to the very type of development for this game and other FunPlus properties that players truly want.

[mighty gorge]

As time ticks on, people become sceptical of everything, cynicism sets in, any potential hope of an actual level of effective communication is lost, and it just again generally feels like there it no real outlet for people to air their views.

[tidal apex]

All chats they are interested about are centered around "Why you spend less?" "What features we could add to the game to once again make you spend 10k $ a week?"
Instead of what should we do to make game better

[vale yoke]

[mighty gorge]

But more importantly, I hope you're all having a great Christmas whether alone, or with your families.

[tidal apex]

Lets take a look at christmas events. It is once again just one big spendfest. The only free thing right now is rain of riches and daily sign in reward 🤣

[little cloak]

That sounds like a great a idea you should try and submit that like you said it would be nice to get answers

[tidal apex]

And rain of riches still is forced into very limited timeslots instead of simply allowing us to do it whenever we want to once a day

[vale yoke]

And I do somewhat feel like they know I won't want to fully discuss those things, for the simple fact that any look at my finance history in the game illustrates a low spender (almost casual) who chose to stop in April of this year. There's a bit of hazard when talking to me because I will write about something players need to know, and I won't mince words. So yeah, I doubt they really want to talk to me without some sort of further buffer or intermediary.
What they don't realize is that talking to players like me as well as the whales, about a variety of topics relevant to us, would help the company exponentially in more than just technical game development.

It's like the company as a whole is saying, "Hey, guys, we just make the games, we don't actually understand why people want to play them or what would keep them around. You'll pay us anyway."

[tidal apex]

Yes. Game could survive way longer if it was more accomodating to variety of players, free ones, low and mid spenders, not only 200 biggest guys that are spending astronomical amounts.

While f2p might not provide direct income to the company they make the game alive and are important in showing spenders contrast in power.

[vale yoke]

Hang on, neighbors fighting.

Okay, anyway ..

What I was gonna say is that I agree completely. F2p are the bulk of our player base, and they are incredibly vital to our infrastructure across all states.
While spending players from whales to casuals present the most obvious of benefits - and we do love those players - free players cannot be overlooked for what they provide as well.

If the developers would be willing to stand by their word, and would actually talk to us on the same level, we could help them gain so much out of this property alone. I said years ago that this had the capacity to be a long-term standalone property if they developed it right.

Omg Mundo! Hey!

We don't have a lot of use for those vehicles being that a large portion of our wilderness map is land, so what would you do in order to ensure uboats or subs are useful and relevant in more than just water-based mapping?

Such as PoW

That's true, I forgot about the Meg and such. You should write a feedback suggestion here: #📋︱feedback-reporting

[tardy night]

Oh hai Mundo. How's maxing out your 1287489th hq going 👀

[vale yoke]

[mighty gorge]

Well, technically there are amphibious vehicles, so its not unheard of to have a submarine with wheels 😆

[mighty gorge]

What the hell is this. What happened to the 7500 to get max rewards.

[sick ledge]

🤣

They need money so you need to empty your Backpack to buy bundles again

[lime galleon]

How strong does your march need to be to beat lvl 9 crystal mines?

[silk heath]

Probably best to ask in #🆘︱sos_discussion

I'm not sure of the answer

[spark kindle]

I cannot remember, was it this much last time? I don't think so 🤔

[untold stag]

This will be a huge it for f2p. 15k in the new TD requires a pretty significant effort to reach.

[mighty gorge]

Immense. Impossible. I can't even get it and have red heroes almost max behemoth and dino

[mighty gorge]

No, it was 7500 last time. I remember because I was up to 12,000 in the first 2 hours but I literally used all speeds and plasma

[spark kindle]

This is just ridiculous

It looks like it's impossible now to complete it without spending stuff f2p have been saving for svs/sotf

[mighty gorge]

So they changed it, made it harder, changed it again made it stupid, then changed it again and made it harder again.

I swear these developers just want to drive people away

[spark kindle]

Everything is going downhill, I'm not surprised anymore by anything, just frustrated

I'm on the verge of quitting tbh, only sticking around for a few friends

[untold stag]

In the last few weeks, our alliance has lost 10 people. Most of the other alliances on our server are dealing with a similar loss of players.

[mighty gorge]

Its evident across the game. They (FP) are so dumb they cant' even recognise their own problems. New states don't have the take-up they once did, most of these also die within 6 months. Its ridiculous, but they keep on doing the same things over and over again expecting different results.

[lime galleon]

They still make a lot of money doing the same thing over and over though. Nothing will change until profits take a massive hit

[tardy night]

Losing f2p might be part of the plan.

[mighty gorge]

But they have, albeit they still make massive profits, they've dropped in the recent 6- 12 months from $22m per month down to $7.5m

[lime galleon]

That's not enough apparently. Also new DC/ funplus game coming out next year they are just squeezing as much out now as possible

[untold stag]

They may think it is a good idea. but lose the f2p, and everything falls out. Low spenders will quickly follow, with medium soon after.

And many of the players leaving are spenders too.

[mighty gorge]

Thing is, every player starts off as F2P, its how they entice people into the game, its only once in that a F2P player realises that spending a little, then more, then a lot is the way forward. You can't entire every player to be P2W. They may as well stop advertising the app as Freemium.

[untold stag]

Honestly, I think they are trying to find the breaking point for the whales. The only way it will stop is when the majority (or a certain threshold) stop spending or quit.

[tardy night]

Might wanna go check their prior games for this tbh.

Addiction is a crazy thing.

[steady umbra]

Those are Angelica fragments. They can be recycled already Selina not yet

[uneven bane]

Oh ok thank you 😊

[exotic wasp]

Yes was 7500

[solid hamlet]

Christmas code Alert!!!

ReindeerMods

The dev team have given us a few codes to pass out over the next few days to say thank you for the past year. These are super limited (1000 redemptions). valid till Jan.03, 00:00 UTC, 2024.

iOS users redeem here
https://sos.kingsgroupgames.com/giftcode/index.html

[signal ember]

W

[mighty gorge]

Thankyou (Mod).

I was short of epic search maps, rss and skin tickets. I can see why they are super limited, these Christmas rewards from the developers to say thankyou are super-amazing. You can see their generosity is second to none. I feel now, this makes up for all the challlenges and hurdles we've had to endure this last year.

/end sarcasm 😂

[rocky otter]

I will beat everyone in next svs with those all rewards

[mighty gorge]

I know right. I mean, I will be energised, like I can take on the world. This is going to set me up for the rest of the spring and summer. I won't have to spend a penny for some time.

[rocky otter]

Stupid whales spending for nothing. I got all goodies from devs ❤️

[exotic wasp]

The owner of the code is stingy only 1000 people

[magic anchor]

because after the expected mass quitting , they estimate there will be 1k left who will use the code😂

[crystal iron]

Trowdown is f.....

[slender merlin]

Do you really think that rewards from this code deserve to be limited?

[mighty gorge]

Its not the mods fault or indeed they are responsible for how limited they are, but I would be embarrassed to issue these as "Christmas Gifts". If this is how FP sees its player base, we'll it says all people need to know.

[mighty gorge]

How many millions of players does SoS have again? 😆

[exotic wasp]

Let's say 150 people in one state * 1270 states so 190k people

[lime galleon]

Mercenary influence task just recycle them and you will have points needed

If you have that custom task

[stiff ether]

In their new social media post, they say 67.000 level 5 fiends killed every day. Considering most players do at least three and most people have at least two accounts, SoS has become a very exclusive game.

[junior nest]

Recycling them for rss is not a good idea.
Better wait when they will give skin ticket

[lime galleon]

Personally I'd rather have resources. Until they add new skins to the skin store anyway

[vernal moss]

To add. Operation festival is the event on which grants mercenary influence, or many call them, hats the skin crates while recycling. I’d highly encourage to wait for that following my comod with their opinion with it.

[steel musk]

what's point wait this event when we convert old items it's give rss

[steel musk]

yes it's 500 bios wow

i don't even bother myself to use any code

[kindred pond]

This is the crappy reason they gave me for not wanting to help me out. I bought diamonds on their site with their discount. SMH

[steel musk]

congrats.. They laughed at you

[kindred pond]

Yup

That’s what it felt like

I guess I could. It’s only my farm lol.

[spark wren]

greetings please also post it in #cs-response-screenshots please include your IGN, State Number and Ticket number, your original question and a screenshot of the response received

[sick ledge]

Lol everyone is telling that TD is.... Now, so devs love so much players that to finish your migo points you don't need 7500 points anymore lol that in 2023 now you are on 2024 you need to finish TD to get everything on migo gg stupid devs.

[steel musk]

it's Christmas.. they want you spend your time on TD.. skip Christmas

or buy bundles 🤷‍♂️

[sick ledge]

It normal from them 🤷‍♂️

[kindred pond]

I did

My mod recommended that as well. They referred me back to sos customer support

[sick ledge]

They can put there td and Christmas event where I think.... 😌

[spark wren]

i believe this feedback is similar to how you feel #📋︱feedback-reporting message there are some feedback in #📋︱feedback-reporting that you can upvote to show your support to the feedbacks about throwdown but if you want to write one i can help you

[sick ledge]

Lol thanks but I will not vote because nothing will change, TD was change now for I think more then month okay what change???? Oh yes nothing so this feedback it like others

[kindred pond]

See above lol

They weren’t incorrect about the response I received.

It was only $15, but it’s the principal at this point

Paid with Apple Cash

[sick ledge]

If you are trying to get your money back from a bundle that you buy or something like that you can dream you know, when it come to money they are so powerful 🤣

[kindred pond]

I’m just trying to have them transfer it to my main account. I played one of the mini games on my farm account which I didn’t realize was logged in when I made the purchase.

It’s not even like I’m asking for a refund

I don’t think I can do anything with Apple Cash

They say it’s similar to Venmo

[sick ledge]

Lol for them it same like that they will make you buy another bundle for your main it simple

[mighty gorge]

I read the response. I mean, it's just another dumb excuse. The 5% is automatically applied by them to the purchase. Their logic is so ridiculous at times. The 5% against real money also has nothing to do with transferring the diamonds, whether it is 1000, 5000 or 10,000 its the same value to transfer.

[kindred pond]

That was my response to them lol

[sick ledge]

There is 1 logical way and it fp way you can't do anything you can give all the The evidence and arguments you want nothing will change in their answer

[kindred pond]

All they want you to do is spend more

[sick ledge]

Yes

[kindred pond]

I’ve spent thousands and I’m about to become f2p out of spite lol

[steel musk]

ofc they won't help you on that...
you need take it back from them ..
some did that when they saw devs greedy and don't help with their answer

[kindred pond]

I think it’s because it’s Apple Cash I paid with. When I looked it up, it said it similar to cash app or Venmo.

[mighty gorge]

Player: The sky is blue
FunPlus: No, it's green. Goodbye.
Player: But it's clearly blue
FunPlus: Please provide evidence of your mom's, dad's, dogs, cousins owners 2nd family pets mothers sisters owners dads pet budgies purchase of an M16 from 2001, as well as a full medical history and three family members approval. We'll then investigate if the sky is indeed blue. ticket closes

[kindred pond]

That was my vent session for the day. Thanks for listening. Lol enjoy your Christmas.

I mean I lost more on a drunk bet I made yesterday, so it is what it is.

[steel musk]

it's not about money.. It's how about not helping you.

and you playing this game

[sick ledge]

Devs see players as money nothing more

[kindred pond]

Yup. Unless you’re a whale threatening to stop spending they don’t give af

[sick ledge]

Even for that they don't care lol many whale left this game and nothing change for devs

[kindred pond]

What does 1500 diamonds really cost them to fix an issue. It’s not 1500000

[fringe shadow]

[sick ledge]

Even 1 dollar it so much for them to fix it lol money for devs it like the ring for gollum

[sick ledge]

Oh I got 3 lol 😅

[fringe shadow]

That's 3x better than me already 🥲

[sick ledge]

Devs answer since I know it lol 🤣 hi dear player if you want better rewards then Edward Newgate please buy bundles and you will have maybe 17 or you can have 2 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[junior nest]

He said One Piece is real

[sick ledge]

Yes lol but if we are there devs are Imu sama 🤷‍♂️

[junior nest]

But, I agree with u, they should add some free rounds or at least buy some for biocaps

[fringe shadow]

Lol I was going to buy bundles to play this event, but after that first free roll, I change my mind. 😂

[sick ledge]

Yes even on Christmas they can't give anything

[sick ledge]

That cool good 😌

[junior nest]

I can write this as a feedback and we upvote it

[sick ledge]

Lol for what don't bother yourself 😌

[fringe shadow]

yes please!

Maybe they'll be generous enough to mail us some free jerry cans....🤣

[sick ledge]

Lol

Maybe in 1000000000000 years

[distant gull]

@junior nest I got bad news

Star Ascension will be available on 3 days in all states

I tried PTR and theres Star Ascension and F2P cant do anything with Star Ascension

[junior nest]

#📋︱feedback-reporting message

[junior nest]

It was this way since the first time they relaese it + very had odds.
I hope they will change something when it will be in live server

[sick ledge]

What is that???

[dense lance]

an "event" that's controversial because it's pay to play only, it's this one

[sick ledge]

It was on live server last time if I remember correctly it not the only event p2w lol

There is another event for HQ and frame I think where you can't do anything without bundles

[dense lance]

yeah that's just why people are complaining about it existing, it's been a sore point for some

If you're thinking of the one I'm thinking of you got some free chances for doing the chef cooking event thingy

[sick ledge]

It exist because players buy that why devs will make it again

[sick ledge]

Nah not that I don't remember the name

[distant gull]

We have 3 days to fix this game for all states now

@sick ledge Star Ascension

@dense lance better delete Star Ascenscum

Let me show you in PTR

[dapper belfry]

All of the Mods, none of the forms.

[distant gull]

This is last Star Ascension on PTR

Now in Live server selected State 1111 or newer and now we have 3 days to go

Now Raise the Feedback 🔥

Its 4000 characters long I think @patent olive could make more than 4000 characters

[dense lance]

🤷‍♀️ not a huge fan of it either

[distant gull]

Observation complete now time to create longest feedback as possible

[stable cosmos]

I keep getting bonus stuff from my ingame feedback. I've had about 6. I wouldn't expect it to lead to anything. But I'm now wondering f its automated based on length or someone is genuinely reading it. Cos if there is a human there I'm going to push every feedback with the

Event should be possible to complete by a new player with an empty backpack line

[distant gull]

But 3 days later would be worst event at all

Devs are screwed on that next event I still researching about anniversary event

[stable cosmos]

Not really. If you spend, or have lots of stuff you're done with throwdown in a day or 2 and are trying to rank (potentially) a new player or f2p are still trying to reach the final target.

In sotf you're done in 1 minute each day, once more unless you're trying to rank. A newbie though is on frequently to clear troops, or kill infected, or level up to get stamina back up to complete tasks. There is literally more for a newbie to do. Always has been, the problem now is they're makinf it too hard for newbies to complete things and its encroaching on older players

[distant gull]

I was thinking same, they screwed throwdown

Troop training still 1m why 💀

[stable cosmos]

It was 180k power up before wasnt it? Now its 1.8 million iirc? So, the required points for max throwdown have tripled. The base task should have gone to 1300 at least. But then the requirements on the task are now x10 what it was. So the task should actually be worth 13000. That would be fine. Worth that much would not be an issue. Even at 4500, which is without upgrading the task for the final target multiplier would make it better.

[umbral epoch]

This would be great, I'm not sure how I'll complete my Chaos Clash (aka migo).
I spent 6 chances and didn't score enough to reach level 4 milestone

[gritty fiber]

The 3 random hours are tough weird hours.

Been failing to remember to squeeze it in right before entering rr or KotH

[stable cosmos]

1400, as usual. This game revolves around 1400, surprised they haven't made that reset as well

[gritty fiber]

I remember when we had hope they would change CC start times.

[pallid willow]

the people buying these skins overpriced a few days ago🤣

[distant gull]

Buy it, it has collection pts

[pallid willow]

Nah is useless for joiners but they get hooked up by the collection points thing cause it sounds pretty🤣

[distant gull]

Worst event ever MM

Mining Mayhem ❌
Mystery Mania ✅

[stable cosmos]

Oh boy. More pay to play events

[sweet copper]

This is amazing

Soon you'll need a ticket to join RR, only 4.99

[tardy night]

That's what, the 8th one this week?

These aren't events at all. They should be in the pack purchase store. F+ just finding ways to not have it seen as the gambling den it is.

[sweet copper]

Yeah, hard to call it event when you can't join without donation

[tardy night]

Can't wait for Ccp to crap all over these gaming companies.

[stable cosmos]

Am looking forward to that

[vagrant parrot]

EVERY FKNG event/feature in this game these days are just slot gambling machines....

are we in a casino or what

[unreal lichen]

Is there a new complaint about alliance throwing being garbage that I can upvote? 😂

[torn nebula]

I’m thankful this Holiday season for my one free chance in Mystery Mania. Oh wait. 🙄

[pallid willow]

Is cause even so is literally just gambling tons and tons and tons of people keep buying, that’s just enabling this crap

[distant gull]

Vote my feedback #📋︱feedback-reporting

[sweet copper]

Haha, 1 free chance

Maybe next Christmas

[distant gull]

Yep, Lucky Slot have 2x 1k biocaps buying option

[woven spire]

Ye you can get the statue in 392949392 tries if you unlucky

There is no guarenteed or whatever

So think most people will skip

[winter canyon]

So there is no way for F2P to play this?

[sweet copper]

True, they could at least add 1 chance for Journey, to get 5 gas

But nope

Just buy one, lol

[unreal lichen]

I stopped spending when tempest arms hit. I realized that it was going to go very bad very fast. Then they introduced tanks and I'm chilling waiting for a new game now basically. 😂

[winter canyon]

Is this a joke... why are they pulling this kind of shxit every single holiday

[stable cosmos]

No. Just like many of their "events" its just a bundle in disguise. Bad disguise. Like, 2 kids in a trenchcoat level

[unreal lichen]

But they gave us 999 biocaps for free. How can we complain?

[stable cosmos]

Or glasses and a fake nose

[sweet copper]

I still remember when this game had actual events, and some nice things for everyone, without spending, but this is going downhill pretty fast right now

[stable cosmos]

With what you can spend bios on to actually improve yourself they could have given us 15 million

[sweet copper]

Well, you can buy speedups and epic skill books

[winter canyon]

If they are going to pull this kind of P2W bundle at least put it in bundles

Don't put this in Christmas event because it's not an event

[distant gull]

I created feedback last night so upvote that

#📋︱feedback-reporting

@winter canyon 2 days later Star Ascension

F2P no chance bcause of greedy devs

[winter canyon]

I doubt they will have time to read and fix this

But I'll upvote and hope they won't f*** up again on the next holiday

[distant gull]

They already ruined selected states too

Mystery Mania F2P cant even try that event on 1111/1122/1144

[tidal apex]

Funniest thing is that most of their "events" are worst value bundles ever... One with racecar and buying fuel is just epic. Pay 5 $ for 20 pearls or something like that if unlucky in rolls 🤣

[winter canyon]

Mystery Mania my a**
It's more like Gamble on the best decoration

[distant gull]

Yeah

[winter canyon]

You can't do anything at all on that gambling 'event'

[vagrant parrot]

basically a virtual slot machine in a zombie game

[tidal apex]

Now 90% if not more of "events" is just bundle buying

[vagrant parrot]

if players gonna buy them, devs will never stop such events

[tidal apex]

Rain of riches and sign in is the only free part of christmas events

[vagrant parrot]

future tycoon have atleast some f2p part... since some dice can be obtainable though someways

[winter canyon]

What's sad is that some players will spend money on that p2w decoration shxit

It's ridiculous

[tardy night]

If players don't buy, Devs will make even more of these. Lol.

They got their targets. They will try to meet them.

[tidal apex]

Thats rain of riches, monopoly is another buy bundle thing

[winter canyon]

It's just so difficult to even do anything as full F2P

Almost everything is bundles...

[distant gull]

Daily login already Banned in China 👀

[stable cosmos]

Looking in thr bundle purchase area is pretty funny. Theres more there than the events menu has events

[winter canyon]

Can just change IP🤷🏼‍♀️

Lol

[sweet copper]

Also, a lot of bundles now have a "chance" of something, so you pay not for some stuff, but for a chance to get that stuff

[tidal apex]

Yup. You look at christmas events list and are happy there will be so many new events. Then they came and it turns out all of them are just "buy bundle"

[tardy night]

KoA

[distant gull]

Oh

[winter canyon]

Hope the "Cakey Chaos" is something good

[distant gull]

KoA is same publisher

[cunning sage]

Why do you even care? Devs lost their touch after behemots were intruduced. Everything after that is money money money, they dont f care about any of us. Throwdown is one of the ongoing long lists what has been ruined which they think they fixed. Just stop spend money and it could do SOMETHING. Ive personally saved yearly 3-4 vacay trips becouse of it. They just dont care anymore

[tardy night]

That's why it's gonna get worse

F+ does not give a hoot

[tidal apex]

I get a feeling it might be just another buy bundle and all we will get is gonna be 5 sign in cakes

[stable cosmos]

They lost it after planes. 1 thing that doubled the power of a march. Thats where the madness started

Monkey was just an extension of that.

[cunning sage]

Its nonsense afterwards of that, now its just who has the biggest virtual peepee

[winter canyon]

Tbh 1 new feature is not what kills the game... it's only when you get 10 features and one of them will be the last straw

[tardy night]

Not even. Some of those have a fake dev sponsored peepee lmao

[sweet copper]

After tanks we'll get ships and submarines

[cunning sage]

Fake dev sponsored peepee i dont care, best decision was to step down and see how these madmanss spend on everything

[tidal apex]

New features would not be a problem if it was possible to max them in a somewhat reasonable time just by getting free event rewards. Here tho without paying you need now 10 years + 🤣

[stable cosmos]

The game could have 500 new features. The problem is that every single one is behind a paywall and theres not enough time between each before they remove the options to power up the older one

[tardy night]

Almost like a rugpull in the making eh

[cunning sage]

Update schedule was good and fair previously but now its just no go

[stable cosmos]

So you pay to stay current or become fodder. I don't mind being fodder but i hate that i can't do anything much with the old stuff and that its all so useless

[distant gull]

More milking events is worst

[cunning sage]

Previously with fair spending you could do 1/3 or 1/2 to max rallylead, now its about 1/100

[winter canyon]

It's fine if 3 million troops meant something against enemy's 200K🤣

[cunning sage]

So anything afterwards that saying their try to go get gap lower between f2p and spender is just an lie and whoever trust it is muppet

[stable cosmos]

Hq hits are busted. 200k vs 200k. Once you lose the rest do a very good padme impression

[tidal apex]

Look at vehicles. There is no real way to get stuff to upgrade it besides 1 pull daily.... It is in RR shop at a really high cost but we already have 20 other things we need to buy from there

[winter canyon]

They should only allow 200K to die in that case

[distant gull]

F2P vs Whale gap is now very very huge

From 500% now its 12500%

[winter canyon]

Why should the remaining 3 million die for no reason

[cunning sage]

3mil troops against 200k used to be thing and fun - now its 300 k against 30mil. Whats your point

[stable cosmos]

Knowing the troops are dying of sad is funny though

[distant gull]

500% if you compare 2020 SoS

Checking Vodka 498 Stats thats 500% higher than rest of my old state long time ago

[tidal apex]

They miss their dead friends so much that they all decided to sui cide to follow them :p

[distant gull]

F2P even have 200m troops now cant survive against whale bcause of huge gap

[winter canyon]

What that mechanism, 1 billion troops of f2p will die 1 hit🤣

[stable cosmos]

Once i found out it wasn't 200k vs 3mil but just march vs march and the rest die because the game is dookie i stopped being so annoyed about it

[cunning sage]

And pray you had your best march available. But that doesnt mean anything anymore anyways so yeah why bother

[stable cosmos]

It SHOULD be the 3million and the solo hit should be a smear until he's hit you about 30 times

But as its just march v march, and the thought of all the troops passing away from sadness tickles me i care less

[distant gull]

In RR now really nightmare for small players now, and stay in safe zone for saving troops

[tidal apex]

Sad part about this is that now stat difference is just smallest of problems. What really kills is whale having 999 more skills than you that activate in battle from all statues, hq skin sets, tempest arms and most of them do not even show in reports so you cant really see how big of a difference they make....

[cunning sage]

you just..... died 😂

[winter canyon]

Just stay away from those with more than 100 morale higher than you

[stable cosmos]

1 more morale is enough to make a mess

[winter canyon]

I've beaten players with 2 or 3 more morale

[cunning sage]

ooof bad player

anybody can beat even 50 morale player with good monkey+dino

Then talk about those 300 morale players is different thing

[tidal apex]

I think some whales do not pursue morale. It is the most expensive thing in this game and requires you to always keep on spending on it.

So not every low morale player is weak but every high morale is strong :p

[winter canyon]

I have 0 morale... I'm weak AF

[winter canyon]

They increased it to 500

But please remove the P2W fake events from the event page

They are not events when many players can't participate at all

[warm phoenix]

Hi Elizabeth, you can post this into #📋︱feedback-reporting

[tidal apex]

It would be so little scrolling needed to check all events if they would really remove pay ones 😄

Feeding frenzy should not be in events as well, it is just a little better disguised buy bundle thing

And who buys most bundles wins

They could literally remove playing part of it and instead just have ranking show up who bought most bundles and it would be the same result, just less hassle

[stable cosmos]

Easy to provide a p2w experience alongside f2p finishing lvl 2. Can even probably make it earn them more money

[tidal apex]

Yes, it is easily possible. Will they ever do it? Highly doubt it since there is really big increase in pay features now

Most if not nearly all of new events are just a disguised buy bundle

Survival royale is the only new thing that rewards you for playing and we all know how it went. When it first appeared you could rake in ton of stuff then they kept on nerfing every time event came back again

[winter canyon]

For this Christmas event, only the future tycoon and rain of riches are actually playable...

[tidal apex]

Bundles already start to appear in survival, give it few more months and it will be another "you bought more bundles so you win" thing 🤣

[stable cosmos]

Still waiting for RR to become the invisible betting war. Both teams bid to win. Can't see how much your opponent is bidding. At the end of an hour the team that bid the most wins. Fup still keeps all the money

[winter canyon]

I completely gave up on tempest arms after getting 2% troop defense and 9% troop attack skills

And you know how rare the essences are for F2P

Maybe you get 5 a year

[stable cosmos]

You did more than me. I ascended a single purple to see how it worked and then gave up

[lime galleon]

Mystery mania and the journey events both p2w. Meanwhile for Christmas they give us limited codes and 1 code for 999 bios. They are just laughing in our faces at this point

[tidal apex]

You know funniest part? Even if you manage to make perfect tempest arm set with the skills you want after spending 40k $ they will just update stat values for tempest arms after few hero generations and your perfect pieces will become middle grade ones 🤣

It is not do once thing like with chief gear, you need to make new ones whenever they change stat values 🤣

[winter canyon]

Chief gear gives so little atm... it's like a tenth of your entire attack/defense stats even if you max and get all set bonuses

I see people at 4700

A few months ago it wasn't even 3000

[pallid willow]

Hope some hacker player manages to take down servers one day so that we can be free

[winter canyon]

It's temporary just like heroes

Gives lots of bonuses, but becomes useless after a few months

[deft arch]

Hmmmm trading virtual goods at inflated prices, including auctions. I wonder why that sounds soooo familiar?

Oh yeah! Tempest Arms!

Hope they get sued into oblivion and go bankrupt in the future.

And just to be clear, STOP RELEASING THESE DUMB RNG MONEY SINK FEATURES AND EVENTS. PLAYERS WANT GUARANTEES AND FAIR PLAY!!!

Oh nice Mods

[fleet kestrel]

Hey Digi, needs to be Sos content

[deft arch]

I saw you delete my picture of the new regulations comin

I think it’s highly related

It literally is point for point calling out State of Survivals gross predatory practices

[fleet kestrel]

Well unfortunately as per our rules, sos content can be posted, if there are issues with this, you can DM and we can further discuss it 🙏

[stable cosmos]

Hate that rule. Can't go outside sos in any way even as points of comparison. But finding a text version is ok, it makes no sense

[fleet kestrel]

The articles not validated by us and there’s so much international law, unfortunately it’s just simply not our jobs to debate it. FunPlus has a legal department for that.

[stable cosmos]

Not talking about discussing them. Just that if i find a picture of text and post it its not OK. but if i copy paste the same text its fine

[fleet kestrel]

Long as it has no promotion. I honestly don’t have a way around this. The article he posted had he referenced it, I would have went and took a look, which I did.. . It’s an interesting move..

[vagrant parrot]

SOS bunch of lies.

[stable cosmos]

500 rays place spins? Since when?

[frigid vault]

And coins for alliance duel?

[vagrant parrot]

Yeah full of crappy lies

🙏

[pallid willow]

When are they gonna fix the bug of app crashing after scrolling through map for 5 min 😒

[worldly sable]

This is stupid

I hate the devs

This and hidden treasure both, I don’t want to rng some crap items I already maxed

Tf

[pine pendant]

Instead of using AI for matchmaking it's confirmed that Devs use AS(Artificial Stupidity) 😂. What's the point of matching Master alliances with Veteran in MM?! 🙈

[vagrant parrot]

we get RR summit for first time. is it different from regular RR battles?

[shy compass]

It's my first day any tips

[vagrant parrot]

quit

[shy compass]

Oh

[vagrant parrot]

this game is worse than ever before.

[severe ice]

Welcome

[shy compass]

Thank you

[vagrant parrot]

@severe ice

[shy compass]

Any tips

[vagrant parrot]

quit. this game is all about money. ton of bugs. devs don't listen to players. so it's better quit. But.. first 2 to 3 months game play is good.

[shy compass]

Ok

[severe ice]

Summit is pretty much normal RR but in a bracket.

[shy compass]

Ok

[vagrant parrot]

Like koth?

[shy compass]

Idk

[severe ice]

no still same format as normal RR

[vagrant parrot]

Okay, will we have two legions with summit?

[severe ice]

The Summit is held in 12-week seasons. When a new season begins, alliances are assigned an initial rank based on the relative strength of the entire alliance.

[shy compass]

How do you put in codes

?

[severe ice]

What platform do you play on?

[shy compass]

I phone

[vagrant parrot]

is it like a League?

[severe ice]

#🎁︱gift_codes message you will find a link in that post to how to redeem codes.

[shy compass]

Ok thanks

[severe ice]

yes. a lot like it.

[torpid gazelle]

Throwdown is still over powered, and we have another P2W event on Christmas events. What happened to big main events giving everyone lots of free stuff.

[unreal lichen]

I am upset too about these

I don't really wanna spend rn on events, I would have loved to get some rewards

:\

I did drop a feedback on this, please feel free to upvote/share 😇
#📋︱feedback-reporting message

[stable cosmos]

I started with the goal of hq25 in a certain time period for 3000 gems in a different game (not fup but it was about as predatory as fup was 2 years ago when i left) never made it. Might have been able to with speedups and knowing what i know now. But it got too rss heavy, probably impossible

[grand summit]

This game is a business. Don't expect developers to change their approach.. The game is 4 years old and they know that nothing lasts forever. They chose to take risks and make money. They set out on a path of no return. Do you really think they will change their mind now and stop adding new events for P2W players? It may surprise you, but people still spend money. People spend a lot of money. If people stop spending, developers will create a new game. It's sad, but the developers have no heart for the game and the players.We can see this in the lack of contact between developers and players. Too many bad new updates leaving the test server. And still the same rewards in the capital after 4 years.. xD I hope everyone will remember KG and FP and many of you won't start playing their new games knowing how greedy they are. I know people who have spent a lot of money over several years, and in the game they can be burned in one hit. Think about how they feel. I don't like greedy people, but let's be honest, it's been obvious for a long time that it's just business. Don't count on developers changing their approach towards players. 'P2W' events are being added to the game more and more often. Don't be surprised if there are many more such events in a few months😅

[barren summit]

the insight is correct, I have seen the death of many online games and the developers are perfectly preparing to killing the game. After a while, it's simply not worth bothering with the game, it "lived" for too long. A lot of mmorpgs in the PC world were destroyed in exactly the same way: Cabal, Jade dynasty, Silkroad and many others. The heyday of the game was before the very first server mergers. Since then, it has been shrinking. I'm amazed how people can invest thousands of dollars in a game where I see other players leave the game on a daily basis.the business no longer lays golden eggs, that time has passed.

[deft arch]

No where did I complain about it being "P2W", in fact I stated the opposite. There is no P2W with these new RNG chance reward events and features.
As stated above, even if someone were to drop $1,000,000, there is still the chance they will get nothing from it.
That's an easy way to lose your biggest spenders and revenue coming into your pockets.
It is a poor business strategy to anger/slight the people who are paying to play and will only negatively affect your business in the long run.

If your argument is they hate money and want the game to die as quickly as possible, then sure you have a point

It’s one thing to spam bundles and packs with a set amount of items inside for people to purchase to get ahead in the game.

It’s another thing to switch to predatory gambling features that most likely have back end rigging involved to force players to spend more than they are comfortable because they had so much “bad luck” over and over, then getting nothing to show for it.

[sleek moth]

Honestly which developers aren't greedy? There are games bigger and earn more money than KG. Games are all about making money, because if they dont have money they cant make new content and the company will fold up. The only difference is if they care about players and take in their feedback, but they will not. So the best way is to play free, and if SOS has to one day come to an end, I am not affected since I havent't invested tens or hundreds of thousands in it.

[sleek moth]

Many games have some gambling features and it's getting very common. It's the only way to entice people to spend. Such features plays on human psychology, very smart. So it is up to individual to control the habits and not become food for the predators.

[dapper belfry]

The business model is a cash-n-grab. States eventually have to merge because lack of player base interests declines over a 2 year span. Let alone those who spend. Unless there's active downloads and a fresh source of new players, they will make another app/game similar to this, and rinse & repeat. Please don't expect something amazing from this genre, that is unrealistic.

[barren summit]

I see that both you and El Siete represented the right view and that's how what I'm talking about will happen. There are not always financial reasons for the discontinuation of a product. He cannot produce anything new, the story is drawn out, there is no real content in it. Many things can change someone's opinion about the game. There was one point for me too, and that was the lie and the fraud during the purchase. For me, for example, there is no $5 package because the game says so, but I have to pay $7 at the checkout. Many Central European players have turned their backs on the game because of this. It is incapable of renewal and attracting people, and those who are here will leave after a while.

[sleek moth]

They rather make new states than doing something to existing states to revitalize it, because there are just few spenders in old states. SOS lasted 4 years now, so it's pretty amazing, some war games or event other games don't even last that long. If SOS can last another 2 years, it's good enough.

[deft arch]

Yes, but not to this degree. If there were limited packs (one single pack with a chance to win big), sure. But they have increased spending limits from ten $100 packs maximum for example to either a 9999 or unlimited $100 packs.

It is absurd. You might as well just shut the game down and start your own online slot machine app

[sleek moth]

Like it or not, there are people who can spend and get every single pack available to them. They will buy every single pack until there is nothing left on their screen to purchase. These are the people that can make a difference to the game, not us. If there continues to have such people, then thank them for allowing majority to play it for free. As for me, we can only suggest to people to spend little or no money.

[dapper belfry]

So you're telling me, the big spenders are making the two years more enjoyable?

[sleek moth]

Winning in this game is not important. So is winning the governor. If you have money, spend it on elections, win the actual governor, then use that power to shut the game down instead.

[dapper belfry]

Because based off of some of the feedback, players have quit, yet they still come here to claw back from the grave to complain.

:🤷:

BTW, Merry Christmas.

[sleek moth]

Well if they stop spending, that is the best remedy to their complaints.

[deft arch]

Yes, and even those people have kicked the game because even they cannot keep up and actually max their accounts anymore. Not even close.

Prof Shiekh is an example.

Another example was my alliances main rally lead who was a millionaire CEO and bought every single pack available in the store weekly. Even they cannot keep up with the game and choose to retire.

That itself should be alarming to the company when your top spenders globally cannot keep up with your products.

If they can’t, who tf is left? Hoping Elon Musk decides to play?

[sleek moth]

Yea and to them these money are pennies to them. Will you even care about pennies?

[dapper belfry]

pennies are still paying the bills if added up.

[deft arch]

Tell me you’ve never ran a business without saying you’ve never ran a business 😂

[sleek moth]

haha, not to that extent, multi-millionaires can easily spend tens of thousands, that's not a problem.

[deft arch]

They spend a lot more than that buddy, hate to break it to ya.

[sleek moth]

Well they can choose to spend their money however they want. They make the money, they can spend whereever and however they like. Spending on this game is like people buying million dollars cars or handbags or spend on mansions.

[deft arch]

Yeah until legal problems catch up to your company and bleed you dry overnight

[sleek moth]

And then I see Prof Sheikh seems to be out of an alliance, I presume he quits?

[deft arch]

Yeah he did

[stable cosmos]

If proper rich people can't keep up, or stop paying you've taken it too far. Now you only have casual big spenders. You've lost your low and mid spenders already. Their business model is awful for a regular cash flow. Its just lump sums and they have literally no idea how to make a profit the next month without releasing a new pack, cos they've stripped their regular spenders from the game

[deft arch]

When you’re that rich, you have trouble forming genuine friendships.

Using money to earn those is what some do

[stable cosmos]

Believe their older games just have the complete die hards in. No new faces just big players somehow keeping enough money to leave the server on

[sleek moth]

Yea exactly. How about becoming the US president, then use that power to shut down the game. That is proper use of the money. If you can't then buy people's time to serve you in real life, not here.

[deft arch]

This game could serve as an easy cash flow for KG had they not dive so deep into their own greed.

[deft arch]

Tell that to Shiekh, not me brotha lmao

[stable cosmos]

Yep, they had the player base. They could have run with something that kept them happily in the black for years, nope, big packs squeeze everyone

[sleek moth]

Well when they came out with tempest and that is pure gambling, I knew that was the end.

[deft arch]

Yep ^

And red tempest will follow soon, it’s already confirmed.

Making anything you got or bought in auction house for tens of thousands, utterly useless. Then back to cranking the slot machine with rigged odds again 😁

[stable cosmos]

I would... struggle to believe anyone having left this game would pick up another funplus game, i know i wouldn't. So they're killing off future customers too

[sleek moth]

That will only mean those who can and wants to spend can be the true power. f2p is out of the question, no matter how you play you can never catch up.

[deft arch]

I wouldnt be surprised if every single feature and pack moving forward is just a gamble.

Gen 17? Oh you gotta buy packs for a chance at frags.

You rallied an opponent? Buy this pack to spin the wheel to determine if you win

[sleek moth]

Used to be if you are a large or mid spender, it will means something, now it totally means nothing as they can be easily zeroed also. I seen that for myself.

[craggy loom]

pack to login

[sleek moth]

Monthly subscription. 🤣

[stable cosmos]

Pack to login will at least make it hyper easy for me to quit

[craggy loom]

not just a login, but for an hour of play. If you want to play longer, then buy an additional pack, with a discount of 4000%

[sleek moth]

A login pack is 9000% itself dude.

[deft arch]

Yeah that’s to be expected. It would be nice is there was more opportunities for F2P to be successful, but we all know that F2P will always be inferior to a spender in games like this.

It’s when you cut out even the mid spenders and highest spenders in your game that is a huge mistake.

If even the top 1% cant afford to keep up, then who are you even targeting

[stable cosmos]

Oh, energy based gameplay. Buy a pack to spend minutes in game. Run out of minutes? Buy some more

[sleek moth]

They just want you to empty everything in your bank 🥹 They don't care who you are.

[stable cosmos]

Yep. Thats the issue. They're decreasing their payer base. They would, if they wanted to keep this going and genuinely earn money, try and increase it. More people can afford $2 than $200 and more people are willing to spend $2 as well

[deft arch]

People will actively choose to not purchase or quit in the face of non-guaranteed gambles.

So it’s more counterproductive than anything.

If there are guarantees, people will spend more = more money

[stable cosmos]

Just about every decision I've seen them make in the last 3 years has been counter productive

[deft arch]

Even if there was a guarantee after x amount of tries/attempts, that is better than a 1% chance no matter what you spend

[sleek moth]

And they simply won't even tell you the 0.1% chance now. They just want you to do it indefinetly until you get what you want.

[deft arch]

Oh yeah, i think it pretty obvious that the odds are manipulated no question. There is no displayed seeding for you draw, so it’s pretty obvious.

The system checks your overall average spending, then adjusts the rates accordingly.

The higher of a spender you are, the less likely/impossible it will be to hit a “jackpot”. This way they trick them into continuously spending to break their “bad luck” streak.

The lower of a spender you are, the higher of a probability you will get fantastic items that are useless to you, so that you can list those items in the auction house at KG’s pre-determined inflated prices. As well as entice them to buy more since they are getting good items a lot.

Then when the big whales get tired of not getting anything good, they will feel forced to purchase said items at the auction house at those inflated prices to keep up.

There is nothing fair or honest about it

[silk heath]

[round sparrow]

Here

[silk heath]

Hi

[round sparrow]

Ok I will read a bit first

[sleek moth]

That's clear cheating if what you said is true. But then KG is smart, let me tell you how they evade these responsibilities. KG is a China company registered in BVI with very little rules.

[round sparrow]

This is one ☝️ just one of our issues

That’s Wilma2

[silk heath]

OK, we need to complete a few things. You can either complete it yourself, or I can help you.

Take a look at the post in #📋︱feedback-how-to

There is a template there to copy

[round sparrow]

But doesn’t matter which Wilma . 18kkk kkkkk no way guys

[deft arch]

Nah they are in Switzerland which is how they’ve been evading the Chinese regulations

[round sparrow]

And we talk about newer states

[sleek moth]

And evading US regulations as well.

[deft arch]

Yep, but once it catches up to them in the EU, they will be screwed.

[sleek moth]

But the only thing is if US places a sanction on KG, that means they can no longer conduct any business. The only thing that can be done.

[rocky otter]

Wolf is dev. And it’s unfair for everyone. But what’s fair in this game

[deft arch]

Not a big enough problem, but as this grows in severity across multiple different games and companies, I’m sure it will.

[sleek moth]

and the POTUS can immediately place a sanction, it doesn't have to go through a court or legal system.

[round sparrow]

Switzerland is not EU

[silk heath]

So the issue is that your state cannot compete properly against other states.

Maybe a suggested fix would be some way that state could vote for a merge to occur?

[round sparrow]

How to do?

[deft arch]

Ah well hopefully the Swiss enact their own regulations then.

[silk heath]

I will come to you DMs to make this easier. One moment.

[round sparrow]

Ok 👌 wow great work thx

[sleek moth]

But at the same time, if China puts a sanction, it can also be wide-ranging.

If China takes action, they lose all asian players immediately.

[round sparrow]

Ok.. ja agree

[deft arch]

China is coming down hard on exactly the things KG is actively doing right now. I have posted about it a few times, but each time the MODs delete it and time me out for “breaking server rules” lmao

[sleek moth]

Why is it being blocked if those are evidence or facts?

The mod system is also a red-tape system anyways 🤣

[deft arch]

“Not SoS related”

[sleek moth]

I've been through that system too. And I know it's crap. It's how they want to look at it.

[deft arch]

I sent you a DM of China’s new regulations coming soon

[silk heath]

Please check your message requests from me

[round sparrow]

Ja

[deft arch]

Hopefully the rest of the world follows suit so gaming can go back to being fun

[sleek moth]

I can tell you every game that a China company takesover is not for the better.

[deft arch]

I mean the regulations on spending and predatory practices to gouge players of all their worth

Not that i want China to control all games lol

[sleek moth]

But it will be better if US maintains these regulations honestly.

[deft arch]

I agree

Although the US gov is kinda a clown show

So might be a long time

[distant gull]

Include Indonesia also lose

[stable cosmos]

They lose them if they shut the game off in those countries. Korea is a ton of their invome though so they might have to actually change their practises

[wide wraith]

why do people worry what China do, remember this is now a Swiss game so their laws should apply

[sleek moth]

Yea and all of Korean, Japanese, , SEA countries.

[sleek moth]

Well China is the next big brother and that's a big deal in Asia. If you want to buy cheap goods or do business in China, you have to adhere to their regulations too.

Similarly if US does not want to listen to China, then you have embargo like on China goods against US.

[wide wraith]

KG were often breaking Chinese laws anyway, so they will ignore any new ones

[distant gull]

Its include middle east, Middle East still in Asia

[distant gull]

Better contact with CCP President directly about this game event

[sleek moth]

haha I don't regard Middle East as part of Asia honestly. They are too far and they do things their own way.

[distant gull]

2m Review is quiet hard to bomb review, must gathering 500k+ real people to make it effective

[sleek moth]

Look at steam website, not app store. Steam reviews are mostly negative there.

[distant gull]

Yeah I see but reviews are little there

[stable cosmos]

The other thing about international law is often what one country does, others will follow. So if china makes a change there is a good chance it spreads. As soon as it hits american markets and gets removed from google/apple for breaching t&c they change or die

[deft arch]

What people shouldn’t do hypothetically speaking, is set up a script in conjunction with AI programs in order to constantly flood negative reviews from thousands of shell accounts on repeat. People should definitely not do that

[stable cosmos]

They've already got problems in apple land as well

[distant gull]

Its possible to negative review

31 in recent

[sleek moth]

Yea it's mixed reviews. The good reviews were left in the past. New comments are mostly negative 🤣

[stable cosmos]

I don't have a word available for this one. Its not at all epic

[sleek moth]

haha be contented, it took them years to put in legendary hero fragments in there.

[stable cosmos]

Not like its noticeable. About the same as when they weren't in there because for some reason a buzz fragment is hyper important now that we're on gen 16

[sleek moth]

In all honesty, they should take blue and purple hero fragments and all hero badges out after the state has matured. It seems dumb to continue putting all these items there just for players to recycle for some resources.

[sleek moth]

#📋︱feedback-reporting message

I saw this feedback, and I disagree allowing players to reset behemoth skills to get back biobatteries. Wouldn't that mean players can have unlimited biobatteries during events and those who have high level behemoth skills can have free win to SVS or SOTF events.

I suggest if developers allow such reset, only 1% return of biobatteries and 100,000 biocaps are needed for the reset.

[stable cosmos]

Thats another thing of course. Gen 7-12 are now basically worthless, we could be allowed to max them, and troll squad and it would have zero impact on a spender zeroing us

[sleek moth]

<@&628563208164081690> Help me with feedback posting.

[stable cosmos]

You can just downvote it. But now that its up if it gets fed back tp devs in any way they might take it on. But i can guarantee there would be one heck of a cost

[timid kelp]

Hello there Vinn how would you like me to help you?

[sleek moth]

I did just that but I want to have a separate feedback for this. Thats what this discussion channel is for.

[sleek moth]

Help me submit a feedback as above

[timid kelp]

Have you read https://discord.com/channels/555639568053829632/1110341802520748132 ? This will guide you in writing feedback and if that doesn't help I can always assist in writing it for you

[sleek moth]

Like if a feedback is to be submitted, intelligence check should be conducted too. That obviously is just a greedy player and the feedback should be removed.

[timid kelp]

It is still there personal feedback and it is then up to the players to upvote/downvote the feedback

They have their own reasons for writing their feedback, sometimes impressions on what is written may not be why they wrote the it

[distant gull]

I totally disagree that Reset Behemoth skills, if this happen may be broken

[distant gull]

Yeah if feedback Reset behemoth skills responded, SOTF/JTG/Throwdown all broken because of Reset behe skills

[sleek moth]

Yea agree, please downvote. Greedy and lack of intelligence players who wants to win at all cost.

[stable cosmos]

There is a lot of feedback where the full ramifications aren't thought of. That one is a good example. However if you could reset and the batteries were converted to non scoring material for you to level back up again it wouldn't hurt. Or like in recycling the button could simply be disabled when batteries were worth points. There are a few ways to make that work.

However as the devs never respond to us its better that particular wording never goes anywhere

[sleek moth]

Wow thant's constructive and really useful. Thanks for thinking this so thorough. How I wsihed mod could add this in, but they never help. That form is just too cumbersome.

[stable cosmos]

Its where if the devs came back to us, ever, we could provide more than they can think of when it comes to "we can't see how to make that suggestion work"

[loud condor]

Dev already made light versions of those things that will give 0 points on every event.

All they need to do is add the function to reset and convert.

And to control how people spend usually come down to either severely limit IAP or make them ridiculously high that no sane person will do it. Guess there's a lot of crazy people in this game.

[strange jungle]

AH messed up cant send all 3 types of troops cakey event messed up cant use cupid Rockets and much more Bugs that still not fixed

This is how devs do their job congrats to them most of christmass events are made pay to play 👏👏👏👏👏

Few ways to get free dices if u Want more dices u have to pay

[crystal iron]

Merry Christmas xD

[mighty gorge]

The thing is, there are many people that see a 'quick win' but don't often consider the ramifications. I'd like to say that this even though a badly thought out and worded idea in the feedback is actually one of the better (worse) things that's ever been suggested.

@digital glacier Said this very same thing I think a week ago. People lack the intelligence and brain power sometimes to see what they are saying and often these are the things the developers see, implement and we end up feeling the pain from it because of a bad explanation, and poor interpretation.

Overall, despite my cynicism sometimes and lack of sympathy for what the developers do, I'm not surprised when some of it is done by individuals that don't understand what they are saying (write before thinking), understand the game, or its so broad, non specific and in some cases incomprehensible.

also things like this below; ITS NOT FEEDBACK. Its a bug or performance issue and shouldn't even be in Dec Feedback.

In this same feedback, there are two different ones about bugs. Why does it need 2?

The same with Crystal Mines - 2 Feedback entries

[tired sedge]

Some could argue that it comes under feedback because it’s a feedback about fixing the bugs/errors in game because feedbacks are typically things to improve the game and fixing the bugs would improve the game so it does kinda fit under feedback

[mighty gorge]

It could be argued, but its not. Lag is an issue with performance, as a result of either poor coding or lack of resources. Ultimately its a 'bug', bugs should be addressed immediately, and fed back like that. It also doesn't need multiple entries. Just by the very nature of the wording used in how you described it pretty much sums it up:

"Feedback about fixing the **bugs/errors **in game"

All this does it take valuable space for something else the developers can ignore 😂

[tired sedge]

It’s a 2 way street when it comes to these things, both of which are usually ignored anyways

[still tapir]

Wow this is terrible. To have to hit a target point to get rewards is awful. I mean those rewards are not worth the money it requires you to spend.

[tidal apex]

Almost all christmas events are awfull.... Nearly everything is disguised buy bundle $$ thing. So few rewards available for playing and doing tasks, just pay pay pay...

[still tapir]

It is hard to bomb their rating because they have bot farms boosting the ratings

[silk heath]

Rain of Riches has been surprisingly good though. I managed to get my farm from HQ1 to HQ20 for free in under 5 days

[tidal apex]

Rain of riches and sign in are only free things in there

[silk heath]

true

[tidal apex]

Rest is just buy bundles stuff

[silk heath]

I still can't manage to get 100 gifts from Rain of Riches