spoiler-chat

[craggy drum]

Oh like it almost entirely covers the facial features and at that point you may as well have just worn a hood?

[zenith jacinth]

Those are still the same hairstyles tho

[cyan crest]

Yes, exactly that

[cyan crest]

Yes, I mean the more femenine options
Like, they're the more normal looking Hairs in general
In general, because there are some that are horrible

[zenith jacinth]

Define "feminine options"

[cyan nymph]

female hairstyles are the best overall

[cyan crest]

The options that are characterized with a woman in the purchase menu

[zenith jacinth]

Nearly all of them

[cyan crest]

...
Yes, and I say in general cause like almost half of them look like a kid that grabbed some scissors and did a funny

On the other hand, the (only slightly so) majority looks fairly good

[zenith jacinth]

Pretty sure I'm using one of them on my male op

[cyan crest]

Probably, they're they ones that look the best

And the only long hair options

[craggy drum]

Ok can’t argue with this take at all

Maybe with the new hair rendering it might make some of the older ones look less “oh void, who gave the child scissors?”

[zenith jacinth]

Still too short tho

My hair is long

[subtle crown]

Lets not forget how kubrows looked so mange ridden that even their official advertising looks bad.

[cyan crest]

Yeah, I'm currently using the longest hair option I could find without a ponytail in my drifter and those things, and it barely reaches her back

[zenith jacinth]

I have ponytail, so my op has ponytail

Idk about my drifter, he's stuck in space heck

[cyan crest]

same

I'm more attached to the op, sorry old gal

[subtle crown]

Hair 3 years ago at its peak mange.

Like, the game engine itself hates hair.

[cyan crest]

Lmao
Also that kubrow looks... Not fed enough

[subtle crown]

that's just the skinny body with max height.

[craggy drum]

Dog hair is coming with AoZ

Because the space doggos need help

[cyan crest]

Ah

[craggy drum]

He looks like his head is just way too big for his body and it takes all of his strength to hold it up lol

[cyan crest]

Hey if you use the helminth or the hound it's all fine
Cause it has no hair

[subtle crown]

They're better now, but still not great.

[cyan crest]

At least that explains why almost all npcs wear things that cover up their head

And why almost all the ones that don't are bald

[subtle crown]

The devs have been working on it for years.

[cyan crest]

And why the orokin have the hairstyles they have

[lapis portal]

well time to rank on on fortuna once

yes making my own

[cyan crest]

Love it when the spoilers chat inevitably turns into the general chat overtime every day

[subtle crown]

6k affinity for each board.

[lapis portal]

i'm making only 1

as i only made 1 necramech

[lapis portal]

do you want new people to the game to be spoiled about some stuff?

[subtle crown]

What's currently in game.

[lapis portal]

why would i spoil k rider to new person?

[cyan crest]

People can get a kdrive like inmediatly
Venus is the second planet and you're given the basic one upon completing Vox solaris

[zenith jacinth]

Hmm. K-drive

So much work, so little reason

[subtle crown]

K-drive, because you don't have archwing yet.

[cyan crest]

K-drive, you'll use it like 3 times

[lapis portal]

you mean archwing launcher?

[cyan crest]

K-drive, the reason everyone hates Yareli's quest

[subtle crown]

Archwing launcher was removed from the game years ago.

[cyan crest]

Archwing launcher is the thing that let's you use the archwing in the open worlds

It's still in the game

[lapis portal]

you literally need it for open area exploring

[cyan crest]

Yes

[subtle crown]

Yes. Which comes from the Mars junction which is after Venus.

Hence "because you don't have archwing yet" because you can get k-driver earlier.

[cyan crest]

So you wouldn't have archwing yet, so it was a good point

[lapis portal]

what is fastest way to earn these?

[cyan crest]

Bounties, and Ticker sometimes

[subtle crown]

Training = buy from ticker. Shelter = bounties.

[past kiln]

Shelter from ticker*

Medical advanced and familial from both since ticker doesn’t have them consistently

[subtle crown]

Yeah, I haven't seen med/adv/fam in over a year now. thought they were removed from her pool.

[flat shadow]

Ticker still can have them, they're just rare. Be sure to check her inventory often, it changes every few hours

[subtle crown]

Nah, I already have all those higher tier ones I need.

Only go to her to look for red veil crewmembers.

[torpid lantern]

Everyone except me

[cyan crest]

I like it too, idk why, but K-drives have their little charm

Archwing is still more efficient, but Ks are fine and fun to use and do tricks

[flat shadow]

I don't hate it.

Not really my bowl of grits, but hate it too strong.

[torpid lantern]

I just started over with a new account and I'm playing as Yareli for my first frame. I was surprised to discover that I'm making Vent Kid standing even as MR 0

I can't wait to see more stuff from them. Like the bash lab

I wonder what other primo wheels we'll get to bash out

[cyan crest]

They gave them the ghoulsaw for some reason

[subtle crown]

Justify the existence of the lab.

[cyan crest]

ouch

Could have some exclusive K-drive there or something

[ionic sleet]

I imagine more will be added to it.

[craggy drum]

I don’t hate K Drive

I just hated having to do Grandmothers races in the Cambion Drift as it was well after they patched out the ways to cheese the ones you needed for the Infested K Drive.

I have it now which is the important part. As it has dangly bits on the back it was perfect for my dangly oriented fashion lol

[torpid lantern]

DE said they will add more

[ionic sleet]

I do wish we could also purchase relic packs with the Ventkids. I have everything they offer and my standing has been maxed out for some time now.

[subtle crown]

They tried patching them out.

At least the bash lab can go across from the oracle room and look at least somewhat symmetrical.

[craggy drum]

Well I’d only seen an easy way for one of them and it didn’t work when I tried and I think it had been patched lol

Did it in the end though so all well that ends well.

[subtle crown]

Yeah, you need to use a melee slam into the end orb. They patched out just running into it normally.

[supple dagger]

i thought ticker was a dude

[subtle crown]

Most people do. But Ticker is female.

She is only referred to as she/her in game and the devs have made a few posts about it on social media (while constantly being called out for a typo).

[craggy drum]

The VA also confirmed that Ticker is female

[subtle crown]

Yeah, Guy Cunningham for voice actor was certainly a choice.

[supple dagger]

never knew that

[torpid lantern]

Ticker is a male that sold most of her body to save someone she loved. As a result, she ended up in a female rig because that was probably the only option she had at the time

(I had it reversed. Thanks for helping!)

[subtle crown]

Not quite. Ticker is a trans woman.

https://twitter.com/Cam_Rogers/status/1180974184622628864

Cam Rogers (@Cam_Rogers)

@SkottTheHot I feel like that's evident in her second dialog update. From memory a line makes that clear (but I'd need to check).

But hey, I'm happy to come out and say it if that helps: Ticker's trans.

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[wicked iron]

I never did get all the lore bits on everyone in Orb Vallis yet, and this has reminded me of that. My inner and outer completionist screech at me.

[subtle crown]

Cam Rogers being the head writer.

[craggy drum]

While Ticker has many amazing lines, one of my personal favourites is

“Life will hurt you, Stardust. But you have to love, you have to feel. It’s why we’re here. When I die, there’ll be a smile on this face for all the glorious mistakes I’ve made… so many of which were doors to Heaven itself. His name… was Volan.”

In part because I believe it reveals the name of the person she loved who was shelved and forgot pretty much everything about who they were

[cyan crest]

I do not know who was the first guy to say the thing about the male rig but I certainly saw it in this discord, probably on the lore channel

[supple dagger]

Hmm. You know, I never thought about it as a MtF transition

[subtle crown]

Given their pronouns and how people refer to them as a transgender woman I thought it could only be MtF.

[cyan crest]

Yes, she is a trans woman, refered by her va as a trans woman, I do not know where this male rig thing even came from

[thick jolt]

An interpretation of her codex fragments i guess

[subtle crown]

Found it.

She sold her body to buy Volan a rig.

I sold my arms to buy you and arm. I sold my legs to buy you a leg. I sold my lungs, my bones, my heart… to buy a safe place to cradle your beautiful head. I bought you back from them. I brought you back to me. You in the body I had bought for you, me in the body I had earned to replace the one I sold.

Her head is still her original head however.

[cyan crest]

Her selling her original body and her not being trans but actually ending up in a male body through luck is a big leap from this
Specially because of the head thing

[subtle crown]

Yeah, she started with a male body, sold most of it off and got another male body.

Oh, also that quote comes from the fortuna Ticker memory fragments.

[lapis portal]

roky has been unconscious whole time

[subtle crown]

Sleepy.

[lapis portal]

however still no mods to boost points gain

[real niche]

If you can stick your grinds down then you can hit the cap no problem

[autumn turret]

grind on a rail

[onyx jewel]

Who has the morse translation for the unidentified signal transmission?

[real niche]

Yeah see, easy

[autumn turret]

#aotz-chat

[onyx jewel]

thanks

[past kiln]

Why do the kids have veils

[autumn turret]

why wouldnt they?

[little grotto]

The big pipe just outside Fortuna is an easy grind and trick capper.

[lapis portal]

is this last part on k driver part?

page 5

i'm getting hang on trick chain

[lapis portal]

only 1 quest remains unfinshed

The Silver Grove

[torpid lantern]

I can't find anywhere that it says she started out in a male body?

I might have misunderstood what trans female meant though

[subtle crown]

The head she has is her OG head.

[torpid lantern]

Then the new rig is female?

[subtle crown]

The new rig was for Volen.

She earnt her body.

[torpid lantern]

No it's not. She said she gave it to Volen but he doesnt remember her anymore

And yes she earned a new body to replace the old one

[subtle crown]

Yeah, he spent too long brain shelved and was left a shell of their former self.

[torpid lantern]

So I'm trying to understand if the new rig she has now is female

[subtle crown]

Actually, Ticker might indeed have a female body now. While sexual dimorphism isn't the fortunans strongest suit Tickers arms are much closer to female.

[torpid lantern]

So I have it reversed xD

[supple dagger]

The question really is whether she started with a female or male rig

[torpid lantern]

So if the head writer says she's trans and uses "she" then she started Male and is now female?

[subtle crown]

She still has her OG male head.

She started as male.

[torpid lantern]

They can't swap heads out, can they? Not unless brain shelved

[supple dagger]

I don't think the rig heads are permanent

[subtle crown]

Ticker is a trans woman, not a trans man.

[torpid lantern]

Hmm

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/-i7A2gDH33U/maxresdefault.jpg

I agree with you there Khold! I'll go fix my post. I had it backwards

[craggy drum]

I think brain shelving is shelving the head (their original head) they keep in their chests,

[lapis portal]

after i get on call what is smart next to get?

[thick jolt]

Gunnery 9 has been great for high heat zetki weapons

[supple dagger]

imo command 10 then gunnery 9

[subtle crown]

Huh, never noticed this until now. Female fortunans have arm tattoos, males don’t.

And yeah, gunnery 9 is fantastic. Though double check the railjack reload keybind.

[past kiln]

You’re right wtf
Ticker, eudico, little duck

[subtle crown]

Relays as well.

[thick jolt]

Zuud as well iirc

[subtle crown]

Yup.

And Cetus.

[lapis portal]

is this worth making?

[wild copper]

If you want

[autumn turret]

dont spend plat on it

if you can make it just do it

[subtle crown]

Power core, yes. The kubrow collar is up to you. It's only 20p for the set and it does give an extra 10% base stats.

Wait, they changed it. The collar gives +10 health, +10 shields and +100 armour.

Also, the other collar is purely cosmetic so it's basically free stats.

[lapis portal]

i'm having trouble picking sevagoth or revenant

[autumn turret]

both

[lapis portal]

i got only 1 free slot

[autumn turret]

sell stuff for plat

[subtle crown]

Do you want "14 forma to become good" or "spinny laser party with some top tier damage mitigation"?

[autumn turret]

exagerating

[subtle crown]

Yeah, they're both mediocre.

[autumn turret]

also this is spoiler chat

not players helping players

[subtle crown]

#players-helping-players

[lapis portal]

add to 14 forma "- range and efficiency for durability and strength"

i dare to reduce range and efficiency for more durabilty and strength

[autumn turret]

what

[subtle crown]

Speed memes.

[autumn turret]

i dont think you understood what the 14 forma comment was about

[lapis portal]

i'll use same build on sevagoth to make his abilites hit like a truck

[lapis portal]

i do

[subtle crown]

As long as you get preparation on base Sevagoth.

[lapis portal]

you mean his shadow?

[subtle crown]

No.

Base Sevagoth.

[lapis portal]

doesn't sevagoth and his shadow have separate energy?

[subtle crown]

Putting prep on shadow does nothing.

Putting prep on base means shadow always spawns with full energy.

[lapis portal]

honestly i'd pick sevagoth over inaros any time of day of the week

i mostly died with inaros a lot of times even without using abilites

• titania is in same boat as sevagoth

[subtle crown]

#players-helping-players #builds-discussion

[willow crow]

How long does the new war quest take to complete?

[supple dagger]

4 to 7 hours

[willow crow]

Oh

I'll do it in 4

[gritty willow]

have the warframes on the server banner always had eyes?

[fleet veldt]

Always has been, in truth it's just some of the light elements on the frame with higher-quality mesh/texture work and lensflares for a rendered art piece from ages ago.

Still makes their current ingame versions - especially Loki, Valkyr, and Rhino - look less in comparison.

At least that's what I believe.

[molten crystal]

Well we know for certain that Excalibur's eyes aren't supoosed to be there

Around his cheek

[errant charm]

I mean in lots of fan art they also have personalities, I am pretty sure Mirage Prime will try and convince you go run off with her and commit felonies.

[molten crystal]

I can understand Umbra having personalities, but how do the other frames have them? Aren't they just those dudes/dudettes from the Warframe Cryodpods in Defense missions? Just taken and infested with Helminth? Are those real people or just really high quality clones?

[errant charm]

in fan art its to have them be a character usually.

[molten crystal]

Yes but I was talking about the Noble and Agile Personalities. How do they have that? Is that the Operator RPing?

[subtle crown]

You can headcanon it that way.

[errant charm]

I mean from the prime trailers we do have, they clearly do in some ways intend to depict the frames as having some personality.

[molten crystal]

If we think about it, even Umbra was desttoyed before we re-created him and he seemed to retain his memories. So perhaps all present day frames are based off an original one, and have their memories/personality

[subtle crown]

Distinct possibility. There is still a mind inside the frames that the void demons mere presence calms down and cooperates with.

[molten crystal]

And perhaps Transference is a 2 way street, so the Warframe's peronality seeps into the Operator hence why the Agile/Nible animations despite being piloted by the Tenno and why the Operator believes they killed Isaah

[subtle crown]

Tad slippery slope there. It could be as simple as the void demon letting the frames original personality shine through.

[molten crystal]

Ah yes, Tenno controlled, but only just

[subtle crown]

Well, that basically is the relationship between user and frame.

We help stop the unending agony and rage that the person inside the meat suit experiences, we then get to direct them around as we need.

Plenty of opportunities for the person to have some fun, especially when not in combat and the personalities start.

As soon as combat starts it's right back to serious mode.

[molten crystal]

You think our Tenno dying during TWW and The Sacrfice and going into this sea of Void before respawing has something to do with all those dying versions of ourselvs when we shook Wally's hand?

[molten crystal]

Except Mirage, she is just here to have a good time

[subtle crown]

Not really. We all got the same cutscene.

[molten crystal]

Yes, but perhaps that is to show that each time our Tenno dies we simply switch to a timeline where they didn't, or perhaps we rewind time before death

[subtle crown]

Or perhaps it's a non-canon ending and the devs needed something to show game over but not death.,

[molten crystal]

I mean technically Ballas stabbing us was not all that differeny from us being stabbed by Umbra, only this time we switched to Drfiter

[subtle crown]

This is still a video game after all. Death happens.

In a quest with a dozen one shots death will happen.

[molten crystal]

I understand almost everything in New War except that all the alternate versions of us dying when we shake hands with Wally, that has ne stumped

[subtle crown]

Welcome to eldrich horrors.

[molten crystal]

Yes but we have press 'x' to revive powers

[subtle crown]

You can't "X to revive" yourself.

Also, that revive prompt is only during bleedout. Not death.

This is peak MMO "You wiped in a raid, go back to the start and try again".

You are trying to find explanations for mechanics that have been the standard in gaming for 30 years now.

[molten crystal]

If the mechanics are reflected in lore then why not

[subtle crown]

Because they're not reflected.

You're trying, and failing, to force them to fit.

[molten crystal]

"Oro" is pretty much press X to revive lorewise

So is Kuva

[subtle crown]

Gotta love how MOAs are packed to the brim with oro.

[molten crystal]

Which Moa?

[errant charm]

fun thought on TNW and the ballas kill, We really did not succumb to the wounds till after being dumbed into the void. Normally we die and void float for a bit and "reset", This time we "died" after being shoved into the void and maybe this caused a "Kernel Panic" to the voidy stuff and well things broke and we got the drifter.

[subtle crown]

All MOA.

[molten crystal]

How?

[subtle crown]

They get revived like animal companions.

Twitching on the ground and all.

[errant charm]

we could just be turning the Moa off and back on again

[subtle crown]

Nope, we do the green hand energy thing.

[errant charm]

"have you tried restarting your MOA?"

[molten crystal]

They don't return from death, once the revive counter gone they ded

[crimson river]

Or hit it like you do a printer

[subtle crown]

You have never actually used a MOA companion have you?

[molten crystal]

Other than Tenno or Kuva Lich what other thing dies and goes like, "Okay, revive time"

[molten crystal]

They're robots, youre comparing them to organic beings capable of permanent death

[crimson river]

Sisters technically

[molten crystal]

Ah yes, them to, forgot about them

Too*

[subtle crown]

Oh, permanent death. that permanent death where arcanes give us more.

Because this is a game mechanic that was in the game YEARS before new war was even a thought.

8 in fact.

[molten crystal]

So? Things can't be retroactive?

[subtle crown]

I know you're going to keep trying to force industry standard mechanics into lore where it doesn't fit but you are seriously headache inducing.

[molten crystal]

People wondered for years how we just switch through Warframes, then came Second Dream and we got all answers

[crimson river]

This is litterally just the same as I was doing yesterday. Khold going no is just game mechanic angy and someone else trying to fit stuff in the lore

[subtle crown]

You should have been here for "plat cosmetics being lore friendly".

[crimson river]

Wait that happened

[subtle crown]

Yes.

[crimson river]

I said that for laughs

[subtle crown]

By shadow.

Being completely serious.

[crimson river]

Ah yes lemme just quickly think of why putting an infested head on your shoulder has lore reasons

[subtle crown]

And now the frame revive mechanic, that is in no way linked to operators, is somehow more than a thing that used to cost plat if you died more than 4 times in 24 hours.

[molten crystal]

Why not? Tenno are immortal, why not share that with their frames a little

Conclave explains it as Oro

[subtle crown]

In separate quests it's standard protocol to cut the connection to the frame.

[crimson river]

Conclave is weirdo

We dont count the conclave

[molten crystal]

But it is in game and it has lore

[crimson river]

Yeah so does lunaro

Doesn't mean it's usefull lore

[molten crystal]

They content maybe undesirable but lore is lore

[subtle crown]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7QVemHYKn4&t=3023s Enjoy your lore on oro.

[crimson river]

I wish I could watch that khold

[subtle crown]

It's certainly not described that way in game.

[crimson river]

But im in class

[molten crystal]

Oro is descrubed as something that makes people avoid death, letting them come back from death lest destroyed. Warframes keep coming bacj from death, I see connection.

[crimson river]

devstream 52..... damn

[subtle crown]

"which represents the resurrection ability of Tenno and other enemies that Teshin is most concerned with"

Direct quote and all.

[molten crystal]

That's what I am saying

[subtle crown]

While looking at an orange ball above a players head.

[crimson river]

so it's a dax thing that isn't explained much more than just space magic we wont explain it

also yeah isn't oro the orange thingy's that you need to collect in some modes?

[subtle crown]

It's not even a dax thing. It's a conclave only thing while in the weave.

[crimson river]

i haven't played much conclave though

[crimson river]

ah

[molten crystal]

Source for it's only in Conclave?

[subtle crown]

Annihilation and team annihilation. You kill enemies, get drops for points. Think index but only 3 people play it.

[crimson river]

where else have you seen oro shadow

[molten crystal]

Perhaps the Oro in Orokin stands for this, given their ability to defy death

[crimson river]

like ever. it's not mentioned its not seen. not even the orokin used it because they used kuva

[subtle crown]

If it did then it would surely be mentioned somewhere else than a single devstream.

[crimson river]

so no that didn't give them their ability to defy death

[molten crystal]

Kuva is said to be blood of Orokin ancestors, perhaps Orokin ancestors used Oro and Kuva is a byproduct or source of Oro

[crimson river]

"is said to be"

[molten crystal]

Has to come from somewhere

[subtle crown]

The atmosphere if the queens are to be believed.

[molten crystal]

So far whenever Kuva is mentioned Transference is always around it

[crimson river]

yeah why the hell is there blood clouds in the air?

[subtle crown]

After new war it's pretty much the opposite.

[crimson river]

also what the hell then is temple kuva and why is it any diffrent

[molten crystal]

Unun has Kuva, and she very likely is someone who pulled a Silavana and trabferenced into an Orokin tower

[subtle crown]

Temple kuva seems to be "pure" kuva.

Hence Ballas kuva being a bright red/orange and grineer kuva seems to be a black goop with red kuva sploches in it.

[molten crystal]

Teshin touching the transference pod makes his hand glow red, Kuva glows red and Operator was transferencing via it

And during the Kuva siphon missions, Worm queen says Tenno jumping around is what's causing the Kuva siphon to work

"Double, double, toil and trouble, the puppets dance while the chamber bubbles!"

"Listen to the chamber simmer. The longer that dreamer thrashes about the more Kuva essence we collect."

Where there is Transference, there is Kuva

[crimson river]

then it wouldn't at all be orokin blood

because that has nothing to do with transference far as we are aware

[molten crystal]

It comes from their ancestors, Orokin inherit it, perhpas that's why blood

[subtle crown]

The queens gather kuva regardless. We don't need to be there.

[crimson river]

also that

[molten crystal]

Where'd that happen?

Their Kuva is all black and red, polluted

[crimson river]

siphons plus they have tanks full of the stuff don't they

[subtle crown]

Yeah, they have been collecting for a long time.

Enough that around their throne is a moat of kuva.

[crimson river]

it's the only kuva we have and it's labelled as such so even if it is polluted it is still kuva

[crimson river]

and wasn't that one bright red? or am i misremembering

[subtle crown]

It was the black/red we all know.

Only Ballas knows how to get the bright red/orange kuva.

[molten crystal]

The Queens are Orokin nobility, perhaps all that is their stock

[molten crystal]

They were harvesting it from the temple

[subtle crown]

But yeah, the queens have been gathering kuva for centuries while we were comatose.

[crimson river]

and while we didn't know they existed

they just wanted us for the queen to transference into us

[subtle crown]

While most of the universe didn't know they even existed.

[crimson river]

no to continuity into us *

[molten crystal]

Gathering? That started after we killed one of them, surely if they were gathering we'd have come across them

[subtle crown]

"Are the grineer queens even real? Or something used to control them?"

[crimson river]

no they were certainly doing it before then aswel

[crimson river]

if we don't know what it is we won't bat an eye

[molten crystal]

Source?

[subtle crown]

After we killed one the gathering was put into overdrive.

But huge vats and a moat don't fill themselves.

[crimson river]

source tanks of bloody kuva in the kuva fortress that can't have come from nowhere

[molten crystal]

I doubt Lotus had that attitude, she sends us to investigate every damn anomaly

[molten crystal]

Could be from their Orokin days

[subtle crown]

Copium.

[crimson river]

unlikely they have that much

[subtle crown]

Not even Lotus knew of the queens existence.

Only Teshin knew.

[molten crystal]

Perhaps it's watered down, that's why so polluted and not bright

[crimson river]

kuva may not have been a rare commodity but it wasn't that available to the queens

[molten crystal]

You don't need to know of their existence to see some Grinner harvesting stuff and send Tenno to investigate

[subtle crown]

A BIG part of war within is how not only do the queene exist but also how they have been keeping hidden ever since the collapse.

[subtle crown]

The grineer army is literal billions.

[crimson river]

yeah they were absolutely not nobility shadow

"Their sameness was shunned
As slave-like and soiled
They tended their strays
Rejected by all"

[molten crystal]

After the Empire fell they were probably the only ones aware of Kuva, probably gathered and stockpiled it all, consolidated it

[subtle crown]

What single reason would we have to go look at a bunch of them standing around.

[crimson river]

kuria poem

[molten crystal]

The red ominous humming machines

[crimson river]

only the grineer see them as nobility

[subtle crown]

Which normally wouldn't even be on planet surfaces untill we killed the queen.

[crimson river]

so i doubt they had acces to that much kuva

[subtle crown]

The kuva fortress is both their home as well as a giant harvesting and production facility.

[molten crystal]

Who else knew of Kuva and had a whole military to consolidate all of it

[crimson river]

ballas

[molten crystal]

Production from what?

[subtle crown]

When we killed the naga queen they suddenly need a lot of kuva to restore her hence gathering outside the fortress.

[crimson river]

uhm kuva can also be gathered at the fortress

kuva survival

[molten crystal]

Touchè

[subtle crown]

The literal lore of the kuva fortress is it's a giant harvesting facility i_i

[molten crystal]

Harvest, yes. But produce?

[subtle crown]

A more accurate term would be filter/refine,

[molten crystal]

Moreover, why does Wally berate us if we don't drink it but praise us if we do?

[subtle crown]

The harvesters largely get mostly black clouds with some red in it.

For the liquid Kuva we see there is a much higher concentration of red to black.

[crimson river]

wally is a weirdo thats why

[subtle crown]

Plus eldritch horror.

[molten crystal]

I like Wally

[subtle crown]

Trying to comprehend him is an exercise in madness,

[molten crystal]

Just a bored godlike being, tired of all the unrealised and infinite possibilties trying to live through you, 1 possibility at a time.

Operator is the hand, Wall the will

[crimson river]

thats like trying to understand cthulu

you will most likely go insane

[subtle crown]

Exactly.

[molten crystal]

Cthullu, a being Hydroid sunmons for resource farming

[subtle crown]

No faster way to ruin characters like that than by explaining them.

[crimson river]

no he just releases the kraken

[molten crystal]

Ah so he himself is Cthullu

[crimson river]

i highly doubt thats whats going on

[crimson river]

pirate frame =/= cthulu

[subtle crown]

MITW also didn't even know of human existence prior to Albrecht.

[molten crystal]

It is very similar to the Hindu concept of Purusha and Prakriti, where Purusha is the infinite possibilities, the sum total of existence, the whole of reality as an unmanifested and shapeless concept, whereas Prakriti is the dynamic energy that brings about manifestation of that concept, giving it shape and bringing it about into existence, essentially giving it flesh like a mother turns a bunch of cells into a full human. Purusha being the masculine, Shiva and Prakriti being the feminine, Shakti.

[subtle crown]

Then there is eternalism that is not actually infinite. But instead branching off decisions.

[molten crystal]

Someone in DE watched alot of Rick and Morty

[subtle crown]

God I hope not.

[crimson river]

it is possible though

[subtle crown]

But yeah, Warframe uses a variation of parallel universes instead of alternate universes.

2 very different schools of thought in the multiverse theory.

[molten crystal]

Ballas is Rick Operator is Morty

[crimson river]

lotus is jessica

or beth

[molten crystal]

Heavens no

[subtle crown]

Warframe eternalism summed up = no decision, no split.

[crimson river]

very strange

[subtle crown]

How is it strange?

It's literally what the game tells us directly.

[crimson river]

it feels unnatural

then again this is scifi game

nothing feels natural

[subtle crown]

A scifi game with set rules it follows, including their variation on parallel universes with assigned outcomes.

No infinite possibilities.

[molten crystal]

I was happy back when we was Space Ninjas

Now I am confused

[crimson river]

i was happy back when there wasn't a magic space child involved

[molten crystal]

Half of use aren't even Ninjas now

[subtle crown]

Many people were.

[crimson river]

stealth? you must mean blow it up

[molten crystal]

Just look at Hildryn's intro video, there is our boi Excalibur, neat and simple, and them there is Hildryn looking like Zarya from Overwatch

[molten crystal]

I was fine with magic space child, even more fine with press 5 to do some unique stuff based on your school. But then child decided to walk around and shoot lasers, no uniqueness at all, might as well not use a Warframe.

[crimson river]

wel i wasn't even swearing that much 😕

[molten crystal]

Now I just wish the magic children would interact a bit, feel like I am the only one. The New War let us talk to 3, that was nice, but need more.

[subtle crown]

Lol, you do realise that operator/drifter can out kill and out CC some warframes with the right arcanes/amps right?

[molten crystal]

That's why I hate it. Warframes are supposed to be the apex predators, there magic children be stealing our thunder. Next year they'll prolly rename the game to Tenno

Remove Warframes altogether

We gone laser people and dash around

Ender's game this shiz

[subtle crown]

Speaking of op/drift being better than some frames I hope magus overload becomes void sling.

[molten crystal]

I am wondering if I should just ditch Madurai since I don't do Eidolons

Naramon and Unairu seem nice

[subtle crown]

Probably a good idea tbh. Especially post update madurai is tailor made for Eidolons.

Yeah, Uniaru legit looks good. Love me some potent debuffs.

[molten crystal]

Yeah, I'll get the Way Bound and hop skip over to Unairu or Naramon

I'll miss Madurai, it's named after a city I lived in, but gotta get them debuffs

The Combo Counter thing from Naramon seems nice too

[subtle crown]

Naramon is all about melee. though hard to compete with Uniaru 75% armour reduction or 100% shield nullification.

[molten crystal]

Switching to operator is a turn off enough for me but yes, with those debuffs and ability to revive frame with 3 operator kills life would be a little easier

Then again I doubt I can kill anything on Steel Path wthout Madurai just with my amps

[subtle crown]

Nah, steel path operator only relies on a bug that is being deleted with the update.

[molten crystal]

Atleast with Unairu I can ditch Magus Glitch

[subtle crown]

No void blast = no void blast bug.

[molten crystal]

I am a little vary about the Void sling

[subtle crown]

After the speed was increased, as a non eidolon hunter, it seems fine.

Will take getting used to, same as void dash right now.

I’ll be looking forward to where the void blast arcades go. If they go on amp damage that’s just a power increase.

Imagine magus accelerate working without relying on a bug ❤️

[fleet veldt]

Still hoping we get Drifter/Operator kits either inspired or copied from the New War gear that was used by those characters, as well as the ability to equip a melee (with attack speed reduction and upper limits on what is accepted - i.e: heavy blades and full-2-handers are not equippable with exemption for staff and polearm weapons) and one ranged (with acceptance of most sidearm-category weapons and a narrow band of primary weapons that look light to carry).

In contrast, Warframes overall would be receiving stat buffs across the board based on their Operator/Drifter and would do more damage with all weapons with some ability-to-level scaling as to ensure that abilities remain universally capable of performing as intended in the likes of Steel Path as much as they'd be in missions of levels 1-30.

[subtle crown]

Honestly, more abilities could use the scaling used by Vauban flechette mine.

Also, what would be cool is if op/drift abilities 1/2 are school based but 3/4 are op/drift exclusive. Like drift would get their smoke bomb and radar ability (though radar could probably be better since kavats have a better one) and operator would get 2 void based abilities.

[crimson river]

That actually does sound quite cool

[subtle crown]

It also opens them up to different playstyles. Depending on where the void blast arcanes go they already have a surprising amount of power, making Drifter more stealth focused and Operator more "run and gun" focused would fit rather well lore wise.

[crimson river]

Which would make most of us pick operator

But then again the smoke screen is usable as a combat trick if you can shoot from inside it

[subtle crown]

After all, the Operator is already super used to going into void mode if things get spoopy. Drifter is used to being more tactical, especially since Operator would still need to leave void mode to shoot leaving them exposed.

[crimson river]

I miss the old infinite rapid fire voidblast bug with vazarin

It was fun speedrunning bosses I wasn't yet able to kill just doing that

[subtle crown]

Yeah, there have been some truly fun operator builds over the years.

[molten crystal]

What Warframes do you think the other Tenno got? The ones we saw in the TNW flashbacks?

[torpid lantern]

Depends on who lived

[molten crystal]

Jenva prolly got Banshee, since she was trying to silence you ij the middle of class

The dude that was making a face prolly Mirage

Terolee maybe got Grendel, because in the middle of the crisis she went like "I am Hungry", the guy leaning on her Gauss, because Grendel Gauss friendship

And Berryn, the dude waitimg for his mom...what Warframe suits him?

[flat shadow]

Harrow

[molten crystal]

Rell got that

[wicked iron]

"Operator, your Warframe... SUITS you. Ha. Ha."

[flat shadow]

There's no indication that warframes were exclusive to each tenno

[torpid lantern]

Idk... if he made it, it would probably be a healing frame

He didnt look like a fighter

[molten crystal]

Trinity?

[little grotto]

The Operator/Warframe link definitely has some interesting connotations.

[torpid lantern]

Maybe?

[molten crystal]

His mother never came so he goes around healing people

[little grotto]

Like, what happened to the Operators of Limbo, Mirage, Gara, Revenant?

[torpid lantern]

Maybe Oberon?

[molten crystal]

Or maybe Nezha or Inaros, coming to the aid of those who have no one coming to protect them

[molten crystal]

If all Tenno got a frame based on their personality, I wonder what the kid who got Limbo was like

[little grotto]

And what happened to their mind after Limbo was lost

[molten crystal]

My god what kind of child got Garuda

And Valkyr

[molten crystal]

Wonder why it was such a big deal when Limbo and Mirage died, their Tenno were still alright, could just revive them or even get a new frame

Or perhaps like during Umbra's case transference worked it's way back to the Tenno and affected them

[subtle crown]

Umbra never had a Tenno until us.

[little grotto]

No data, just planting some ear worms for people to think about

[molten crystal]

I am talking about after we rebuild him

Wally asks us how we are, we tell him we killed Isaah

Too much transference confuses people I guess

[subtle crown]

At which point transference feedback is treated serious enough there are safety protocols in place for severing the connection.

[molten crystal]

Maybe that's what happened to Stalker

[subtle crown]

"All safety rules are written in blood"

[molten crystal]

That cryptic message that sometimes occurs during loadscreen seems to suggest transference gets glitchy sometimes

Maybe Limbo and Mirage got extra unlucky and couldn't disconnect

[subtle crown]

Or the disconnect came afterwards as a response to them.

[molten crystal]

Or perhaps the mental trauma is too much and the Tenno became vegetables

All those pods in reservoir and 2 dead Tenno in them

Unless Wallyboi did some string pulling and saved them

How come the Lotus did not die if she's sentient and stayed in Lua all that time?

[subtle crown]

She was shielded.

You have been told this at least 3 times now.

[molten crystal]

Is it because she has Phragasa's light and so Void only makes her infertile but not dead

[subtle crown]

Praghasa had nothing to do with it.

[molten crystal]

I'll ask as many times I'll get confused 🤷🏽‍♂️

[subtle crown]

And then ignore canon and go off on your wild tangents. We know.

[molten crystal]

Go ahead and block me then if that bothers you so much, out of sight out of mind😵

[zenith jacinth]

It'll still be misinformation that you might spread by accident

[molten crystal]

How can we discuss lore if we do not speculate? If everything is a known absolute then there is nothing left to discuss

[zenith jacinth]

If there is confirmed lore, then there's no need to speculate and theorize

There's some things that are left without concrete answers, like warframe pods or who the stalker is, those have reasons to be discussed. Even though I hate those pods.

[molten crystal]

And what of all the loose ends? We gotta talk about those and fair bit of speculation and theorizing will be involved with that. How Hunhow ended up in Uranus for example, or how Erra survived, or why Rell was an outcaste

[subtle crown]

Even then those belong in lore-discussion.

[zenith jacinth]

Rell was outcast by the other tenno because he was different

Hunhow just went into hiding

Erra

Lotus survived being in the void due to being deep within lua with shielding

[subtle crown]

Hunhow ended up at the bottom of Uranus because that's where the Orokin buried him. Erra survived either by Ballas resurrecting him or because his sentient speciality is resurrection. Rell being an outcast is explained both in his quest and in the Rell comic.

[zenith jacinth]

And the problem is that you usually just start making up theories on things that have been answered already instead of truly unanswered things

[icy urchin]

"why rell was an outcast" because the orokin empire apparently didn't advance public understanding of mental health beyond modern-day levels "How hunhow ended up in Uranus" shot down and fell into the core and couldn't get out because pressure and gravity. NEXT

[supple dagger]

Specifically Uranus is where Hunhow chose to go down till Natah was done

[fossil fractal]

gara's probably got killed imo, the others idk

i remember hearing somewhere that the bomb was void

[zenith jacinth]

All of them were either disconnected or died

[fossil fractal]

either one or all of them died somehow or lotus and unum just care FAR too much for a random warframe

[real niche]

Limbo's dead as hell, I remember that much

[little grotto]

Still not sold on the “shielding” of Lua. There’s a hazard of assumed knowledge that I’m willing to chalk up to unreliable narrator but when it’s dictated, I get defensive.

[subtle crown]

Yeah, rift jump accident.

[zenith jacinth]

Frame, yes, but operator?

[subtle crown]

Get defensive at the writers then.

[real niche]

Quest doesn't say anything about the operator, sadly

[little grotto]

Then point me to the reference so I can put it to bed.

[subtle crown]

As the wiki dies...

Oh, also. Fun fact. Both Mirage and Limbo existed before operators did.

[little grotto]

Kind of the point? The Warframe project preceded the Operators but was considered a failure because while the frames were potent, they were also uncontrollable.

[subtle crown]

I'm talking IRL release schedule.

Mirage was 5 months before second dream, Limbo 2 months.

[fossil fractal]

i was gonna ask about revenant but

open worlds came after war within right

[little grotto]

Wiki dies from it being written by “fans” who are speculating. It’s already been hammered at here and in Lore that the wiki is not definitive.

[zenith jacinth]

Yes

[real niche]

The transcripts exist

[subtle crown]

The wiki still has correct release dates.

The lore isn't all that great but transcripts are legit.

[little grotto]

I fail to see the relevance of release dates on a speculation on what happened to Operators of “lost” warframes. I do not recall the transcripts making any references to such fates.

[subtle crown]

Oh wait no. Mirage and Limbo were over a year before operators.

[little grotto]

But if you do, please, point me to which articles hold the subject transcripts so I may check.

[subtle crown]

Second dream = update 18 2015-12-05
Mirage = update 14 2014-07-18
Limbo = update 15 2014-10-24

[zenith jacinth]

Nobody said that it does

[subtle crown]

I only bring dates up as a meta discussion as to why those two get the special "oh teh noes they actually died IRL" and no one else.

[fossil fractal]

if frames were made once a first time for testing then mass-produced if they worked well then i dont see any reason that the orokin didnt just give the limbo and mirage operators a prime of their frames for their hard work, then started mass producing the limbos and mirages

[zenith jacinth]

Limbo's stuff still makes me laugh if it's simplified

[subtle crown]

The silver grove says that's not how they work.

[fossil fractal]

forgot silver grove exists lemme check that rq

[subtle crown]

Silvana was directed by Ballas to build Titania. She was basically fully functional from the get go.

[zenith jacinth]

Dude could math so hard that he was able to jump into a different plane of existence, but he died because he miscalculated

[subtle crown]

Ballas didn't really "do" failures.

[fossil fractal]

i guess yeah

[supple dagger]

Ballas basically gave her the design and said "work"

[fossil fractal]

well idk ballas weirdo lmao

[zenith jacinth]

Ballas was a sith perfectionist

[supple dagger]

Inaros and Gara (and sort of Sevegoth) are also "They died" examples

[subtle crown]

At least Inaros could very well be "the tenno disconnected".

[fossil fractal]

says they believed his spirit returned to the sky

[subtle crown]

Like in War Within we saw it is possible to disconnect from the warframe and leave them where they kneel.

[fossil fractal]

sevagoth and gara im still not really sure about, so i guess ill just hope for more info on them

[supple dagger]

True. Some part of Inaros would have to have been alive to know what Bursas are

[zenith jacinth]

"Take these grains, and keep them under your pillow."
Excuse me what

[fossil fractal]

tooth fairy, but its murderous warframe who doesnt take the stuff under your pillow

[subtle crown]

Gara was way more visceral. Sevagoth could just be the Tenno dying of old age.

But the whole Sev quest was super vague.

[fossil fractal]

the tenno would be in stasis though right

[subtle crown]

Depends who you ask tbh.

[fossil fractal]

well i should go sleep now so bye have a good night or morning or whatever time it is for ya

[subtle crown]

There are a couple way that fit into the lore.

[frail nymph]

Not the real Harrow, since someone else must have had Harrow Prime. Rell just had a copy of Harrow coincidentally.
Although he did glorify Harrow's legend much more effectively

[little grotto]

Yeah, after reading the transcript of the Second Dream, still not sold on “void shielding” of Lua. Reads more like the Collapse was the disabling of whatever “lever” Albrecht used to open ways into (and out of?) the Void. Compressed dimensions get very weird, particularly if you abruptly uncompress them. Or I guess the reverse in this case.

[supple dagger]

The Collapse is explicitly just the dowfall of the Orokin Empire

[little grotto]

Wrong context

[supple dagger]

All of Albretch's stuff is in Deimos

[frail nymph]

"Collapse the void, Shadow."
"The moon will soon be crushed by the weight of the void" -Hunhow
"Void collapse, oH No." - Alad

[little grotto]

Thank you.

[zenith jacinth]

Wow, alad sounds absolutely not concerned by it

[frail nymph]

He wasn'tt

[subtle crown]

Oh no, anyway.

[frail nymph]

"Void Collapse, Oh no. Would be a shame to lose the moon, so soon after finding it." *Taunts Lotus **

[subtle crown]

"Void collapse, oh no. Has anyone tried the chicken? I thought the chicken was lovely."

[supple dagger]

That's just removing the mechanism that keeps the moon stable in the void

[little grotto]

That sounds more like the Compasses and Pendula that we have to destroy. Don’t really have a reference to what Stalker did to trigger the void collapse.

I’m theorizing on expected result (crush under the weight of the void)

[frail nymph]

Well the full line is "Collapse the Void, Shadow, so my fragments may attack."

So whatever it is, it is a catastrophic way of bringing the moon out of the void. While reorienting the moon is not as bad

[little grotto]

But then Hunhow follows with this: "The Moon will soon be crushed by the weight of the Void. The sky will be as it should be."

[frail nymph]

But shouldn't the sky be one that has a moon in it?

[little grotto]

I’m with you on that. Since the systems that keep the moon in the void are on the moon, a collapse that shatters those systems would also catapult the moon back into normal space.

Lots and lots of pieces…

Collective mass would keep them relatively together, lots of ground for Hunhow’s fragments to cover to ensure no devils survived.

But the quest to find a “void shield” on Lua isn’t turning up anything definitive. Lua is very much subject to the energies of the void throughout its structure. Systems in place to keep it stable and structurally sound, but not isolated from the void.

[zenith jacinth]

The ship that carried the sentients through the void also had no void shielding, yet the sentients inside survived

Lotus' chamber is deep within lua, so the sheer mass between her and the void outside is most likely isolation enough

[subtle crown]

Think of the void like radiation poisoning for the sentients. Praghasa was directly damaged by the void, basically alpha radiation. The sentients inside were protected from alpha and beta radiation but were still affected by gamma radiation.

[zenith jacinth]

So you're saying they can now turn into the hulk

[cyan crest]

Still, the logic followed suggests Lotus should be shielded, at least partially, from it in her throne, which was sealed, and in her chamber that was miles under rock

[subtle crown]

She was at least shielded from the corrosive "eating you alive" effect sentients have when directly exposed to the void.

She may have become super sterile, but she was shielded enough to not die. Like a seriglass bell used by Albrecht.

[craggy drum]

I’m pretty sure Lotus was already sterile even before Lua was hidden in the Void. Seeing as she would have roused the Void once already as Natah on a mission to infiltrate and the Tenno

[supple dagger]

She was already sterile from the trip to the Origin system, yes

[subtle crown]

Yeah, she was already sterile. My bad joke was that she might still have been exposed to enough void that originally caused her sterility but not the corrosive effect.

[little grotto]

Still run afoul the dissonance of how the Sentients could be stranded on Tau. That just doesn’t have an acceptable answer in any of the codex entries or transcripts I’ve found.

[subtle crown]

What makes you think the Sentients were stranded there?

[cyan crest]

Stranded? And I mean, Hunhow did say he and Natah had "severed the worlds", and someone interpreted it as them destroying the rail to Tau

[subtle crown]

They were sent over to terraform Tau so the Orokin could eventually move there. The sentients gained sentience, decided they don't want the Orokin coming over and ruining what is now their home so they sent Hunhow and a small force to stop anyone from the Sol system travelling to the Tau system.

Of which Hunhow and Co. are doing exactly as their mission dictates. Stopping any and all travel from Sol to Tau.

[cyan crest]

Yes
Though the synthesis imprint does mainly say they were going there for the rail

[subtle crown]

Meanwhile the sentients still in Tau are likely still in their quasi utopia no longer worrying about being raided by Sol.

[cyan crest]

And we kindly stopped it being ruined by a blue man jumpscare

Honestly I like how the 2 biggest enemies of the orokin were basically created in failed attempts to colonize Tau

[craggy drum]

I think they’re talking about this part of the Detron Crewmate imprint

[little grotto]

2?

[cyan crest]

Ah
Well anyway they did exactly that and only lost their pp capabilities and the life of a big ship mother thingy

Honestly Perintol should've made the void extrapoisonous just in case

[craggy drum]

Yeah made them extra extra vulnerable

But no… he just didn’t expect that they’d use a giant sentient ship as protection

[cyan crest]

Living definition of meat shield

[zenith jacinth]

Tenno and sentients

[bold dune]

Send pic here

[torpid lantern]

Hihi! Was wondering if anyone wanted to discuss the Zariman?

A thousand eons ago I shared my theory that the Orokin "randomly" selected individuals and forced them to be colonists aboard the Zariman. I had theorized that no one had a choice in the mandate. Some were happy to be there, others would have been terrified to be drafted. As part of that theorizing, I had kinda clung onto the Mother in War Within who was noticeably scared to be there. It seemed oddly out of place.

Yesterday we found out there was a letter sent to the content creators that filled in the missing pieces about the Zariman boarding. They were told it's okay to share the letter so I'm dropping it here if anyone wants to discuss?

[vital solstice]

The phrasing of "qualified applicants" seems to imply an application process rather than a draft

[weak finch]

Do we know why the Orokin were so obsessed with going to Tau? Ballas was hellbent on it

[craggy drum]

Because they were burning through the finite resources of the Sol System.

They wanted a new system to move to before they had to start living more frugally.

[flat shadow]

I noticed that, too. Figured it doesn't really fit a draft. Though, considering what was happening in TWW, I think I would have been terrified, too.

[subtle crown]

You have never been "voluntold" huh 😛

[cyan crest]

Mmm, the "you are ordered" part makes it seem that once you're chosen, there's not turning back

[flat shadow]

That feels very Orokin

[supple dagger]

Most likely. Orokin aren't one for take backs

[flat shadow]

Unless they are the ones that changed their minds.

[supple dagger]

But yes, I never had doubts that the people on the ship were willing participants. Even the Orokin wouldn't go so far as to provide an education if they were meant to be expendable

[subtle crown]

I do find it amusing that "vistagraph and audioscape" are our own Dormizone.

[cyan crest]

What?

[subtle crown]

5 paragraphs and 2 are about our 3rd "house".

So the ARG might be hinting at the quest to find our assigned room.

[cyan crest]

No, I mean what do you mean by "vistagraph and audioscape are our own Dormizone"

[subtle crown]

The letter states that each crew member has been assigned an individual Dormizone.

[cyan crest]

Yes

And ours have vistagraph and audioscape

They're not the vistagraph and the audioscape themselves

[subtle crown]

The letter is advertising the tv and stereo. I'm reading it as the letter is advertising our own dorm to us and we will need to go find it.

Yes the sentence structure is atrocious but the tv and stereo being in quotes I figured enough was enough to separate them from the dorm.

[cyan crest]

I get that, I'm just saying I find the wording on the first message weird

Kinda sad that the best entertainment thing in the Dormizone is basically a TV that just shows you landscapes
Like, people in the zariman would get bored soon

[subtle crown]

Extremely if that was the only thing. It being a colony ship I would hope there are amenities outside of "classroom and bedroom".

[cyan crest]

I wonder if they gathered around and organized stageplays and that stuff
That would be neat
Before going insane and killing their loved ones that is

[craggy drum]

It seems to imply in the letter that they’re there as a means to stop the inhabitants going a bit loopy from interstellar travel

Being cooped up in a spaceship for a long time will do that to a person, so giving them a means to experience a simulated version of home makes sense

[torpid lantern]

The thing that doesn't fit here is that it mentions the Zariman mission as if those who received the letter had never heard of it before.

[cyan crest]

I mean, cool and that, but man the dorm could like get a TV or something

For the crew people

[subtle crown]

How do you mean?

[torpid lantern]

If they were aware of the project, why not say "your application for the Tau Colonization was approved"

[subtle crown]

Top priority and "billions of qualified applicants". Seems to be pretty well advertised.

[torpid lantern]

"A top priority colonization assignment" is super vague

[subtle crown]

It's really not.

[torpid lantern]

It really is

[craggy drum]

That would be cool

But doesn’t sound like a priority to the Orokin.

Their own in space entertainment sure, I’d see them having it then.

But they seem to aim for more practical things for the regular folk

[subtle crown]

I genuinely cannot see how that statement is vague. It's super matter of fact.

[cyan crest]

Am I the only one that read the whole thing in a super stereotypical super old TV ad salesman voice?

[craggy drum]

”Here aboard the Zariman Ten Zero, we got everything you could want when voyaging into the dark unknown of space!”

[subtle crown]

"Billions applied for a top priority colonisation effort. You won a coveted seat".

[cyan crest]

Exactly like that

[torpid lantern]

Okay how about if I told you that you were selected for a top priority cooking job aboard a cruise ship.
Does that tell you much of anything?

[cyan crest]

Yes if you then proceed to elaborate
Which the letter does

[subtle crown]

If you use something that was not hospitality related your point would be much more in your favour.

[torpid lantern]

Right but why would you need to elaborate if they knew about the job beforehand?

I've applied to lots of jobs but never had one explain the job after I was hired

[subtle crown]

"Top priority cooking job" I can imagine right down to the salary I would earn for the not so glamourous role being advertised.

[cyan crest]

So are they being vague or overtly specific?

[subtle crown]

I don't know how the orokin "we say top priority but what we really mean is X" but hospitality that screams "we need staff for a job no one else wants".

Most likely kitchenhand, maybe cold pass.

[torpid lantern]

To me, it sounds like people A: didn't know what they were applying for initially
Or B: were drafted out of a specific part of the populace

Like the tomorrow war movie

[cyan crest]

The worst part about the thing is that it literally is about to tell us the exact number of Zariman passengers but that part is of course redacted

:(

[craggy drum]

And the name of the Commanding Officer of the Zariman Ten Zero

I wanna knooowww

[subtle crown]

Honestly, the way people were selected was probably "do they have 2+ kids or will get pregnant easily?", congrats, go have adult fun, build farms and have lots of child labour kids to help.

[torpid lantern]

Also here's another point

[cyan crest]

"welcome aboard the Zariman, breeding sto- I mean, dear crew"

[subtle crown]

Also those used to wildly different temperatures. Tau Delta is around -20C and Tau Gamma is around 45C.

[torpid lantern]

If there were BILLIONS of applications. How did all those people magically forget what the Zariman was? Even a researcher who worked near the top secret warframe project didnt know what it was

[subtle crown]

Ask any HR department.

[heavy obsidian]

I'm reading the Eximus Rework and saw this:
"With the addition of Overguard, we’ve updated the scope of which abilities are considered to be crowd control. Note that these abilities will still do their intended damage -- it is only the crowd-control effect of the abilities that won’t apply while Overguard is present:
Revenant’s Reave"
🤔

[subtle crown]

"Oh right, I applied for that job months ago. Why are you calling me now?"

[torpid lantern]

And of course Kaleen asking how kids were on a military vessel.

Billions of people? Forgetting? Overnight?

[subtle crown]

This wasn't overnight, it was over a week and most people didn't know anything went wrong.

As far as most citizens were concerned the Zariman was in Tau safe and sound so we won't hear from them again.

[torpid lantern]

We have evidence that even high ranking individuals didn't know what the ship was

[subtle crown]

And that letter says otherwise.

Unless it really was "voluntold breeding stock" or "5000 people applied but we will say billions to make it look better"

[torpid lantern]

Military personnel, researchers. All the people who would have been the qualified group. This sounds like a draft letter and an explanation once they were selected.

Not a congrats you got the job!

[torpid lantern]

Think about it. How could the entire system forget if billions of people applied?

[subtle crown]

Because it went somewhere out of mind and out of sight.

[torpid lantern]

That's not how human memory works.

[subtle crown]

Like 15th century Europe where people sailed to different continents never to be seen again.

[torpid lantern]

Sure never to be seen again. But you just dont go: "oh my Neighbor/friend/cousin set out to colonize a new planet in the Zariman.

1 year later: what's the Zariman? Never heard of it"

[subtle crown]

You have way more faith in people to remember things than I do. Especially with how murderhappy the Orokin elite are and how much effort they went to cover it up.

"Passenger XYZ neighbour might know about it, have them executed for treason"

A big thing is just how much effort the elite went to to cover up as much of their shame as possible.

[torpid lantern]

How? With how many people were on the ship, other families would care and remember.
But the people in the military not even knowing their were colonists on it? Or researchers not knowing what it was apart from it Disappearing?

[subtle crown]

Orokin elite: "What families?"

[swift pond]

So Eximus are going to be immune to CC now, at least while Overguard is up.
The Limbo in me weeps.

[thick jolt]

Can at least guess how many digits with the font size i guess

[subtle crown]

5 digits.

[swift pond]

Especially since they mentioned Ancient Healers were also gonna switch to providing overguard to allies. Hope you didn't enjoy running Mot too much.

[supple dagger]

Billions of people is less than a single planet. With control over the entire solar system, yeah, I'm not surprised the majority of people don't remember it existed

[torpid lantern]

So you're telling me if your Cousin said: "I got accepted to join the Zariman to colonize Tau", a year later after they disappeared, you'd believe the government when they said: "What ship? It never existed. You didn't even have a cousin."

[subtle crown]

I believe I would have died a year minus 2 weeks ago.

[cyan crest]

Reduces the number of Canon tenno a lot, but you know, I like it that way

[torpid lantern]

Except it's not the whole planet. The Tenno are highly educated and come from upper class families. That's a much smaller pool of people considering how Orokin treated the general populace.

[supple dagger]

They also never said it never existed. What they didn't say was that it was a colony ship

[cyan crest]

It's more of a "what ship? You didn't even have a cousin. Also enjoy your glass"

[subtle crown]

Yeah, if you want someone to shut up you put them 6 feet under.

[supple dagger]

It really is when you consider that size would include something the size of Neptune and/or Jupiter

[subtle crown]

A process so streamlined in the empire getting through a billion people might take a week.

[cyan crest]

If all the moons are inhabited like Europa is, then the population of the empire is big enough for them not to really notice a few million suddenly going silent

[supple dagger]

Even limiting it to the high ranked, it shouldn't even be a drop in the ocean

[subtle crown]

Then we don’t even know if the applications were open to the public.

[torpid lantern]

But this is from the upper class and the examples we have of people are also from the upper classes.
Kaleen and the unnamed researcher were both upper class but didn't know anything about the colonization.

[cyan crest]

Hey, perhaps the applications were forced on the people

[torpid lantern]

That's what I'm saying xD

[subtle crown]

Voluntold.

[torpid lantern]

It doesn't make sense that it was anyone who was anyone could just apply

[cyan crest]

Yes, I know, it was kind of an ironic answer to this from Khold

[subtle crown]

For all we know applications were basically an inter office email.

[supple dagger]

We have no idea where Kaleen was the in any kind of social standing. And yeah, in not surprised a random researcher don't know what the Zariman is exactly if they've had no reason to think about it

[cyan crest]

If they're the main investigator in the Zariman case they should probably know, but even she didn't

Hell, she was even in charge of notifying the families of the missing people

[supple dagger]

She didn't know it was a colony ship yes, thus why the entire thing was a secret

[cyan crest]

Whsyxjzt, that's what Faeii was saying from the beginning

[torpid lantern]

Yep. It only makes sense if the application process wasn't transparent. If either they didn't say upfront what it was or, if it was a draft were basically these people "applied" in the same way men have to enlist to fight in times of war

Like technically applied, but it was a req for your job or something

[rain prawn]

i think the war within quest is very much likely to be re-designed with void blast being retired

[cunning copper]

They've already stated how that would work

Any mechanics relying on void blast (like kuva guardians) would be replaced with the instant Warframe melee as our operator

[subtle crown]

Oh, they updated that then.

For the most part they said anything that used to be void blast is now void sling or maybe amp damage.

[cunning copper]

Void sling replaces void dash

The instant warframe melee is replacing void blast (also keyed to the melee button)

[subtle crown]

Void Blast to Warframe Melee Transfer

Melee input while using your Operator will now instantly Transfer to your Warframe and perform a Melee attack.

Having no Melee weapon equipped will result in Transferring to your Warframe holding your Primary/Secondary instead.

Warframe Melee Finishers can be triggered as Operator with ‘Use’ input near an unaware or stunned enemy, automatically insta-Transferring to Warframe to perform them.

So what about Void Blast? It’s been retired and replaced with the above. For scenarios where Void Blast is requested (disarming Kuva Guardians, etc) using the new Void Sling mechanic (or Amps in some cases) will do the trick.

https://forums.warframe.com/topic/1304698-focus-school-system-rework-a-broad-overview/

[cunning copper]

Ah, nvm then

[torpid lantern]

That's definitely a good point. In War within, the player doesn't have a Warframe to transfer to so they'd need another option

[subtle crown]

The war within issue has been brought up countless times to the devs.

[torpid lantern]

I'm aware

[subtle crown]

There will be a fix.

[torpid lantern]

I know

[subtle crown]

Probably void laser tbh.

[torpid lantern]

Void laser is honestly super cool

Think about it, you can re-enact that scene from the New War trailer

Void blast seemed like a stronger version of that but I always thought it was kinda redundant

Personally I wish the Tenno could do a radial blast like the Warframes do upon revive

Oh!!! Or like a ground slam thing where you can send out a shockwave, like in the game Control!

https://s3.amazonaws.com/prod-media.gameinformer.com/2019/03/08/f1b18162/slam.gif

[subtle crown]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Warframe/comments/tzbu7t/focus_school_system_rework_a_broad_overview/i3y5i7e/?context=3

So DE Marcus directly responding to "war within void blast"

[torpid lantern]

I wish telekinesis was a thing

[subtle crown]

I can see that being a buggy disaster already... I want it.

[torpid lantern]

I would absolutely love to pick up a Grineer storage container with void powers and whack someone pass it to someone nearby

[subtle crown]

I can see the horny bonk memes already.

[torpid lantern]

With great power comes great responsibilities

[thick jolt]

Have to replay that game one of these days
God the labyrinth section was godly

[gritty pike]

i thought there was gun that did that slightly already

like a primary

[weak finch]

Imagine Remedy x Digital Extremes

[fossil fractal]

i was thinking about being able to void dash/sling through enemies as a finisher so its like the thing in mgr where you extract electrolytes was it

[fossil fractal]

that sounds like fun too

[little grotto]

and I can hear the DE team cringing at what it would take to make it work...

"Give us 4 years and maybe some of the old tilesets will have manipulable objects but for now its going to be exclusive to this new tileset we've made."

[fossil fractal]

the containers would be fun to fly around, but would they be able to deal damage is the question

[torpid lantern]

Who cares?

[fossil fractal]

youre right

[little grotto]

gods, Mag would be nuts...

[fossil fractal]

and efficiency wise it could stun them for a while to leave them open for attacks, but it would be fun to watch random boxes float around

[torpid lantern]

I just wanna hide in corner as an operator, start dragging a crate around like I'm in a game of prop hunt and scare every Grineer on the entire galleon into thinking the containers are possessed

[little grotto]

oh gods, that would be hilarious

[torpid lantern]

The art of fear tactics in war: Flying garbage containers

[little grotto]

hey, people surrender to quadcopters, the fear is real

[fossil fractal]

"use your enemies' garbage to terrify them to death" - sun tzu, the art of war

[torpid lantern]

I always imagined Operators having more ability abilities. Not just laser beams and dashes but one day mastering how to use the void to bend reality. Do things like fly/hover, pick up objects

It'd be epic!!

[fossil fractal]

i would still like something like you can dash through your opponents as a finisher it would look sick as hell

[little grotto]

well, they were flying behind the Lotus when Erra got blasted

[torpid lantern]

Since we now know the void works outside of reality, it seems a lot more plausible that they could do all sorts of things

[subtle crown]

As a result, we’ve removed the toggling functionality to have nodes on or off as Pool capacity and passive draining abilities are no longer a factor.
Oh, I just noticed this in the focus rework. Looks like I'm not maxing out Zenurik since I don't want the disarm always on.

[weak finch]

Hey guys?

This is from my dojo, what am I looking at?

[subtle crown]

Things clipped into the skybox.

The skybox projection is a camera looking at a flat surface, you can clip out of bounds, place things between the camera and picture and it appears in the sky giant.

It's a lot more involved than that, but it's the general idea.

[weak finch]

It's behind the rings though

[subtle crown]

Yes.

Clipping out of bounds in a dojo is super easy with decorate mode.

[weak finch]

Hm okay, pretty neat

[subtle crown]

If you poke around #decoration-showcase you can see some of the crazy things people do.

[crimson river]

even without decorate mode

the elevator glitch is still active in dojo's iirc

[supple dagger]

wtf is this

sorry who*

[frail nymph]

You'll find out soon enough, keep playing the quest

[supple dagger]

alr im trying to fight the guy but he wont die

[fossil fractal]

which guy

youre not supposed to kill stalker

[supple dagger]

shadow stalker

[fossil fractal]

youre supposed to blast the chair

[craggy solstice]

You're suppose to blast the beams they throw, what?

[fossil fractal]

you blast beams then the chair

sorry i forgot to specify again the glowy bit at the top of the chair

[craggy solstice]

Ah.

[keen oar]

So anyway, I started blasting

[fossil fractal]

best part of tsd 10/10

[little grotto]

I didn't realize it was a sustained beam, so I was being a Starcraft clicker all through those scenes

[cursive mesa]

this made me think abt like.
post new war, stuff related to the ||drifter|| and the like
gonna put this in spoilers just in case
||makes me wonder how exactly extensive is the awareness of a tenno, clearly they dont hold all the knowledge of every timeline, but that possibility seems to exist with onkko?
are the paradoxical existences of the drifter and operator fragments, like we saw with Rell, and if so; how do those fragments really work?
Second, does the choice of the Drifter over the operator or vice versa imply something more? The tenno says "i know, but maybe you can chose one of the voices to lead the rest".

We, as an outside observer seem to not be aware of quite as much as our tenno counterpart, the tenno thinking and behaving on their own; as shown in The Sacrifice when they piece together things well before we do.||
just some stray thoughts i havent really hada good sleep yet sospacey brain

[subtle crown]

Part 1. Same person, 2 individuals. There is no paradox with the drifter, instead drifter is from a timeline where a different decision was made. Now he is no longer part of that original timeline but instead part of ours however part of that is only one can exist outside the void at any single point in time.

Part 2. No, the story treats them as individuals. "Choose one voice to lead the rest" is prompting Natah/Lotus/The incorrect one to choose.

[little grotto]

I love the blatant bias

[wicked iron]

There is no incorrect choice there. 🙂 Please don't be dismissive of and disparaging towards those who chose Margulis.

[little grotto]

Though it is clearly the wrong choice 😉

In the parlance of the Org, she can only live once

[wicked iron]

There is no wrong choice to that decision, as was stated by Rebecca herself.

[swift pond]

Of course everyone is free to pick what they want, just as we are free to justify those choices or why we would not choose something else.
Far as I'm concerned, Marge is the worst choice if not the wrong one.

[subtle crown]

It's also a joke since Mags is the most popular choice.

[little grotto]

There’s some definite unfortunate connotations to the fridge logic of the Margulis choice

It’s basically the “Ballas won” choice

[swift pond]

I just think it'd be awkward to have who is supposed to be a corpse call me up during Kuva farms. Skins are a different matter, but the name carries a lot.

[subtle crown]

Though some people would read Margulis choice as her finally winning. first executed in a gruesome way, then deemed a failure by Ballas the second time.

[wicked iron]

There is no wrong choice. Ballas wanted a Margulis that was submissive to him, and even if she becomes Margulis in that decision, she does not become what Ballas wanted. No more calling any of these choices wrong, please. It might not have been for you, but none are wrong.

[subtle crown]

But that also ignores a chunk of her story.

[swift pond]

Never claimed anything of the sort, nor would I disparage anyone for choosing it. It isn't that big a deal.

[little grotto]

You can’t change what happens to you, only how it will shape you. In becoming Margulis, Spacemom becomes something she never was, only a flawed copy crafted by a deluded artisan.

[swift pond]

Could be argued that at least now she gets to make that Marge identity mean more than what Ballas intended. May as well play devil's advocate on this one.

[wicked iron]

That's one way to look at it. Or it can very easily be viewed as she is paying homage to a courageous and strong woman who stood up for what was right in the face of certain death by continuing her work and using her memories that were implanted into Natah.

[little grotto]

Suborning all that Natah and the Lotus had been in the process

[subtle crown]

She has spent a millennium with all 3 voices in her head. Marge is equally part of her now as the other two. Hence picking a leader.

She has no say in that matter. All 3 are equally valid.

We know the lore behind it, just like we can call out questionable decisions with more of the story.

Reading the forums after people figured out what was permanent in the quest was somewhat cathartic though. Finding out the name is what is permanent instead of the skin and people wanting to change it since they picked for the skin.

[little grotto]

I’ll agree there is no explicitly “wrong,” “incorrect,” or in any way “lesser” choice. Just pointing out that each one has different connotations and some are less palatable than others.

I, personally, find the Margulis option to have the least palatable connotations. Natah is arguably the most palatable but an equally valid argument can be made for Lotus.

[subtle crown]

Yeah, unfortunately it really is "2 easy decisions and one with a ton of history and baggage with multiple bad outcomes in said baggage".

[little grotto]

So I content myself with having the Lotus back, more content and whole in her understanding of herself.

[thick jolt]

I just went with lotus cause its the form she returned as so i considered it her choice

[subtle crown]

Lotus prime is a good skin.

But I'll never pass up a robotic choice if given it.

[verbal garnet]

Margulis is an interesting option, though the best outcome for that identity is to accept that she is not the same person. If she was somehow implanted with memories or emotions from or inspired by the orokin Margulis, then accepting that as something that influenced her and allowing herself to grow into a new person through her experiences and not shackling herself to the identity of the past Margulis

[subtle crown]

I don't remember if she had the memories of Margulis, need to do some research.

[verbal garnet]

Identities in general, particularly potentially conflicting ones within an individual are very interesting since you can't really negate identities that are steadfast in their own existence, considering that any proof of existence of any sort of individual identity is inherently recursive

[subtle crown]

Margulis implantation intact.
Aah, she did indeed have Margulis memories.

[verbal garnet]

Yup, some Soma stuff going on there

[subtle crown]

The joys of writing in a game that can be summed up by "Hey kids, do you like trauma?"

There are no winners, only those left alive.

Meanwhile the gameplay is room clearing horde shooter with numbers that make lizard brain happy.

It is genuinely amazing to me that warframe can actually pull off 2/3 of what makes a DoT mage playstyle satisfying while other game fail miserably at it.

[verbal garnet]

Come for the mindlessly fun shooter to casually play while chatting with friends, stay for the increasingly thoughtful storyline

[subtle crown]

Then halfway through the storyline Wuclone comes through the cutscene with a bramma trying his little heart out.

Someone is in some deep monologue absolutely covered in explosions.

[little grotto]

Celestial Twin has no sense of propriety

[subtle crown]

"2 for you Glen Coco, you go Glen Coco" because the 2000's are my trash fire ❤️

[little grotto]

You lost me completely

[subtle crown]

What goes through my head when Wuclone is blowing things up in a cutscene.

It's a quote from mean girls.

I do wish Equinox 1 was more permanent so she could do the same but that would also mean making her AI less aggressive.

[torpid lantern]

While ultimately I will always believe in Lotus since that is the first choice she made on her own and assumes that form after beating Ballas (whereas in play throughs, she now assumes whatever form the player picked), I agree that there's no "wrong" choice.
Technically it is supposed to be her choosing one voice out of the three to lead the others. Margulis wouldn't be an option if she wasn't a part of Natah already. Like Minion said, if she chooses Margulis, that just means she is respecting Margulis' sacrifice and carrying on her dreams in caring for and guiding the Tenno where Margulis no longer can

[crimson river]

I picked margulis because in my mind it was picking continuing the legacy of someone that was incredibly important to the tenno + after 4 years of hearing lotus and 3? more hearing robotic lotus having a human announce things is refreshing

My math is off

That's better

[jagged sable]

I just had a weird idea for why those void angels aren't moving.

Because since the Zariman is poking out of the void, any void angel in the ship that's poking out would be a void-fish out of void-water. They gotta be in the void to be able to move......i think

[crimson river]

That's an interesting theory actually

[subtle crown]

It really is.

Maybe void cascade is how you summon the angel fight to rank up weapons.

[vagrant sorrel]

We already know that they're gonna be the main feature of Armageddon though -|| It's gonna be an endless boss mission.||

[frail nymph]

Not to mention this is about Lotus choosing who to become, not who she is forced to become. She decides who based on what's the best thing for the system, not based on the past, cause that would be a fallacy

[errant charm]

https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxoEzJlGFDDUlppows3oSF3Jz_vghib2gv

“Zariman Archives” mentioned, well that could easily explain corpus and grineer on the ship if that signal is going system wide than lots of interested parties would head there for the hopes of peak empire era tech and data.

[uncut bane]

Is this the New War?

[wild copper]

Yes

[vagrant sorrel]

We also know that at least on the Grineer Side it's a specific subfaction (Kuva Uniforms, meaning they must have been sent from the Fortress - Meaning we might see the Worm Queen again - Still hoping for some Dr Tengus)

[subtle crown]

I would love to meet Dr Warcrime.

[vagrant sorrel]

I think that's pretty on point for the bounties too - Minus the deacons

[random garden]

My Bf is finally playing new war

[scarlet basalt]

what is that planet ?

[orchid herald]

The person on that transmission sounds like my operator.

[torpid lantern]

Looks like Saturn? It has rings around it, I think

[jagged sable]

OK. I just came up with the funny attempt to kill The Man In The Wall. Not even serious it's just to be funny.
Step 1: Load Grendel as he's using Pulverize into Railjack's slingshot.
Step 2: Fire at Wally while Grendel Belts out "I CAME IN LIKE A WREEECKING BALL" at the top of his lungs.

Because we all know Wrecking balls > Walls.

[heavy obsidian]

Lol

[errant charm]

or not using pulverize instead all fashion frame slots set to red and screaming OH YEAH

[jagged sable]

But you gotta get behind Wally and go "Oh no! Oh no! Oh no!"

[errant charm]

I think that only applies to Family guy, 98% of the time Wally just has to be thirsty 🙂

[heavy obsidian]

Especially with how much he plan the timing of his arrivals

[errant charm]

in whatever century this takes place in Wally World is the void rather than a moose run theme park or walmart.

(up for debate which is more disturbing the void or a walmart)

[wild copper]

definitely walmart

[supple dagger]

thinking about getting the archon melee weapons

[subtle crown]

Of the 3 the Korumm is arguably the best by virtue of being a status polearm.

I just bought them thanks to a 50% plat discount and a healthy entertainment budget.

That and I haven't seen 75% off since before 2020

[supple dagger]

oof

[subtle crown]

I've made my peace with it.

[supple dagger]

welp i got a 50% off on platinum purchase but i dont have money...

[subtle crown]

Don't spend money you don't have. Especially on a game where you pay to skip the grind.

[supple dagger]

yep

[crimson river]

i like the whip more tbh. it's not better i just think it's fun

[subtle crown]

Yeah, each weapon is fun.

It does make me miss old covert lethality though. Or at least daggers/twin daggers had better stealth multipliers.

Want to be super stealthy? Take a giant hammer that is bigger than the enemies.

[crimson river]

wel even ash isn't that ninja anymore he just feels like a

runs into room
marks everyone
"omae wa mou shindeiru"
presses 4
refuses to elaborate
leaves

so yeah it's kinda sad

[subtle crown]

If you want to go back to "ninja" all you need to do is undo 6 years of powercreep.

Everything has to be more strategic then level 100 enemies are a serious threat instead of cannon fodder.

Who am I kidding saying 6 years, you need 6.8.

[crimson river]

I dont mind current gamestate I just think ninjas play free isn't something we can say about the game anymore

Dunno if they even still do

[subtle crown]

They haven't for years.

[sharp matrix]

I have a question
Ballas made excal umbra right? well all of wfms but
he made it so that the wfm would relive the memory of a father killing his son over and over again
but it wasnt the father that was suffering now was it? it was the warframe. The umbra.
then what was the point of creating such a lore?
P.S. I havent played the new war yet

[real niche]

...The father is the Warframe

[sharp matrix]

warframes can have kids?

or was it the father trapped in the umbra

[jagged sable]

The father is Umbra. Umbra was simply trapped in his own mind reliving his worst memory over and over.

[real niche]

You know Solent Green? The book or whatever where the food was made of people?
That but replace "food" with "Warframe"

[sharp matrix]

ohh

[jagged sable]

Yeah, think how someone morphs into a power ranger, only that morph is permanent and painful.

[sharp matrix]

oh that makes sense now

tyty

[merry zealot]

where was umbra during new war? 💀

[swift pond]

T-Posing in the Orbiter until Act 3

Not sure what he could have done on his own tbh

[velvet spoke]

check the #aotz-chat channel. people are discussing the ARG there.

[hollow eagle]

Thanks, should I delete that

[velvet spoke]

up to you

[unique otter]

hello

[fossil fractal]

soo like

whos the dude messaging us in #965662270036267079

[lapis jungle]

Probably a zaramin surviver from the drifter-timeline

[fossil fractal]

in the solaris thingy it was the business so will it be like a second-in-command to the chrysalith leader thing

[subtle crown]

Maybe. It could also be Cephalon Melica the teacher.

Which has been confirmed to be coming back by the devs,

[cyan crest]

The voice is nowhere near similar

Neither is the attitude

[subtle crown]

Oh, there is an actual voice now. Haven’t been keeping up.

[cyan crest]

They say she's the same voice actress as the Raven operator voice

It's certainly similar but I'm not 100 percent sure

[subtle crown]

Check in #aotz-chat for ARG talk.

[fleet veldt]

The Void does things to people, even those who've been Glassed.

[frail nymph]

Bruh, now that's what I call void jumping to conclusions

/j

[subtle crown]

Boo.

[fleet veldt]

Heh.

[rain prawn]

what warframe did you guys use for the new war? mine was chroma prime

[fleet veldt]

Umbra. However Ballas' Orokin authority denied him any merit of a unique cutscene.

[thick jolt]

Sevagoth cause i figured "hey self revive trumps anything unexpected"

[deft void]

Okay, I need to rant this..
The battle against Umbra in Lua... why, why and oh yea WHY DE?

The worms in the War Within was one thing, that's just memorization but Umbra can just reset the fight whenever he wanted to?

"Oh, this human's wanting to win? Lol no" Uses 3 to reset the fight

[supple dagger]

He shouldn't? Killing you doesn't reset the fight, he shoud keep any damage already done

[deft void]

I don't mean health wise, resets our positions

But he can just bring up that screen whenever he felt like it, at any range is what annoyed me.

[fleet veldt]

That's just how strong he is. Dark Souls style.

[frail nymph]

I've seen someone dodge all of his attacks, it's just tough. This was a new player on first playthrough btw.

[deft void]

Noice, baby tenno is going places.

[frail nymph]

Dark Souls style

[frail nymph]

Yeah my jaw dropped

[deft void]

Our version of "Let me solo her."

Brb.

[undone forge]

I used Limbo Prime for New War, I do most story quests with him

[past kiln]

ivara prime on first playthrough and then protea on 2nd playthrough
2 frames shown the virtues of narmer 🙏

[dapper mirage]

Wow

[faint raven]

Hi all

[fossil fractal]

hi

[celest ocean]

I think they only have a few people on it as they try to keep their team small

[faint raven]

I'm having trouble logging into the game. And I would like to resolve this sooner.

[celest ocean]

The forums might have some good troubleshooting tips for your issue

[arctic sonnet]

If you are experiencing login issues, please see #support-and-bugs and submit a report ticket via Zendesk to DE there.

[faint raven]

I submitted my application on Thursday. Still no answer.

[arctic sonnet]

Takes some time for them to respond back, just gotta be patient

[subtle crown]

What sort of trouble?

[autumn turret]

so only 1 business day

[neat fractal]

someone from poland? pv

[vernal anvil]

can anyone can give me plat ?

[zenith jacinth]

No

[somber mason]

It's pretty easy to make platinum. Sell prime parts or things from the syndicate shops (especially augment mods) on warframe.market. Also, this is probably the wrong channel.

[bold garden]

Can the Drifter use operator arcanes?

[zenith jacinth]

Yes, they're basically just a skin

[bold garden]

I imagine if they're equipped, replaying the new war will render them ineffective for the duration?

[zenith jacinth]

Ye

[fossil fractal]

plat giveaways are specifically post new war content smh my head

[bold garden]

Is there any segment of the quest where one frame would be better than another? First time I used ivara, and in this replay, im using her again