builds-discussion

[tawdry trail]

Ok

[graceful turtle]

Magnetic was meta for priming, it gave a free element that was hard to mod before they added a mod for it

Toxin is great for damage, both corrosive and viral are awesome

[versed harbor]

tox rly limits you on nukor tbh if you want viral heat or elec you still have to mod toxin but you'll have unwanted higher tox weight -> viral weight

[elfin sluice]

good

[mighty nexus]

wht archon shard do i need for gyre for now i hav the red shard for str

[elfin sluice]

purple shards to work off of her frequent electric procs seem like a good move

[versed harbor]

mmm casting speed

[mighty nexus]

so all purple??

[versed harbor]

I think im running 1 cast speed 1 parkour 3 purple elec dmg

[mighty nexus]

for now this all i hav

[signal blade]

Which incarnon is better Anku or Hate

I have an Anku riven and the dispo is 5/5

And is the Anku even better than reaper prime?

[novel bear]

Hate

Not even close

[signal blade]

Burning hate huh

[polar knoll]

best arcane for torid incarnon is deadhead?

[signal blade]

Is there a sword and shield incarnon?

[novel bear]

Ack and brunt

[edgy current]

Got a question regarding modding. Let's say I've got a weapon with a high base criticial multiplier and high base crit chance. I then add the standard base damage mod (e.g., Serration), a multishot mod, a mod to increase critical chance, and a mod to increase critical damage. I know I can then add hunter munitions if I want to proc slashes, but what if I'm looking to build a heavy raw damage weapon? Do I just add the mods for what a faction is generally weak against? For example, if it was against Corpus, I'd add Infected Clip?

[celest sparrow]

thoughts in this riven?

[fervent rapids]

You always want to add at least one elemental damage type mod, due to how those mods' extra damage is calculated

[edgy current]

So I'd want to add the 90% elemental mods instead of the 60% ones, right? Since I'm not building for status chance? (Let's assume I already have a primer for viral + other elements)

[fervent rapids]

The +90% is based on your total physical damage, rather than how a +90% physical damage type mod would only be based on that specific damage type

[fervent rapids]

Most likely yeah

[ember condor]

Any suggestions on a subsume to put on Oraxia?

[fervent rapids]

None tbh

[novel bear]

You usually add primed fever strike and melee exposure

[edgy current]

So something like this then? Any suggestions as to what the remaining slots should be used for?

[fervent rapids]

get some Galvanized mods, replace Infected Clip with like a Heat mod

[edgy current]

Why a heat mod?

[wary forge]

Nourish

[fervent rapids]

Heat is generally a more useful damage type than Toxin

[ember condor]

I figured it was gonna Nourish.

[edgy current]

Oops, seems I out bane of grineer instead of bane of corpus

[wary forge]

It’s her best subsume

[edgy current]

Even against Corpus?

[fervent rapids]

No, against Corpus you'd want Toxin

[wary forge]

Corpus die so fast it’s not worth to go toxin

[fervent rapids]

True that

[wary forge]

Unless u do level cap of smth

Only factions u actually need to really mod for is grineer/corupted

[rich glacier]

passive scourge build. Give it a try riven is fire rate and reload

[kindred void]

What is a good hemlith to put on volt?

[wary forge]

That’s why everything is either heat viral or heat corrosive

[edgy current]

I see

[rich glacier]

oh the heat is for orange shard stacking don't mind that

[edgy current]

I can save on the mod slot(s) if I apply viral with a primer or something else, right? So I can just use heat against grineer, orokin, and infested?

[simple drum]

Can anyone suggest which would be a better roll to keep for the time being please

[edgy current]

@fervent rapids @wary forge what if I was building a status weapon instead? How would that go? Use mods that increase status chance and use the 60% elemental mods instead of the 90%?

[wary forge]

U really want multishot

[rich glacier]

I say left toxin doesn't save a mod slot

beam weapons get crazy with multishot

[simple drum]

I know thats why I'm town 😭😭

[fervent rapids]

60/60 mods, go for Viral + Heat or Corrosive + Heat, Condition Overload scaling

[simple drum]

True! Okay I'll keep it and get rolling

Thanks!

[rich glacier]

and btw torid is not the only weapon in the game :)

[edgy current]

Condition overload, that's for melee, right? For primary I just do the 60/60 and either use a primer for vial with heat on primary or viral + heat directly on primary?

[simple drum]

I know! I have plentyyyyyyy of hours using other weapons, just playing around 🙂

[novel bear]

I’ve seen so many rev torids in belly of the beast
Legitimately painful

[rich glacier]

good to hear. I hate it when people suggest "meta" weapons.

[fervent rapids]

It is a melee mod, but there are mods for other weapons that also have "per status" damage scaling, which is commonly referred to as CO-scaling (Condition Overload), since that mod was the first to have it

[simple drum]

Oh god, don't remind me 😭😭

[rich glacier]

I just did a lvl cap with nyx and aksomati

really fun

[simple drum]

Don't worry 😂 I just use what I like then rotate out tbh

[edgy current]

What's the mod called for primary weapons?

[rich glacier]

the part I hate most is people paying 300+ p rivens for weapons that are mid because some youtuber said it is op

[novel bear]

Galvanized aptitude

Or savvy for shotguns

[novel bear]

Dark split sword, lol

[fervent rapids]

Galvanized Shot for Secondaries

[simple drum]

Atm I'm using dagath with furis or oberon with boar prime, they're going brrrrr

[rich glacier]

my favourite is cyte09 grakata

Clem09

[simple drum]

It's so daft, 300p not put on fashion 🤷🏼

[novel bear]

My favorite bullet hose is dera

[simple drum]

That sounds good!

[edgy current]

Why corrosive + heat btw?

[rich glacier]

it does lvl cap

[fervent rapids]

Their status effects work well

[rich glacier]

but cyte09 is bugged on his 2 a lot and footage can be dishonest

[edgy current]

For all factions as well?

[novel bear]

No
But armored factions are the most durable

[rich glacier]

you need a dot on your weapon at all times. honestly blast should be better as it is aoe.

[normal vessel]

For Grineer but that's all anyone cares about.

[rich glacier]

best thing you can have is electric viral and armor strip/corrosive

[near vortex]

Technically you don't need a dot though it's nice to have

[normal vessel]

For corpus you could use explosion/toxin

[novel bear]

Level cap is typically a grineer void fissure, so it’s mostly armored enemies

[near vortex]

Weapons like Dtox can go pure corrosive raw damage

[novel bear]

Most builds reflect that

[rich glacier]

fissure cascade is always grineer normal rotates between grineer and corpus

[edgy acorn]

ive finally unlocked archon shards and im putting violet shards on my Gyre prime mainly going for a gun buffing build so im selecting the option that buffs primary weapon damage with electricity. Was wondering though are the buffs additive or multiplicative? and would it be wise to use 2 purples for weapon buffing and 2 purples for ability buffing so my abilities still nuke a little or shall i just focus on one?

[rich glacier]

electric mod

[edgy acorn]

yes using the sphere augment also

as well as cathode current i think its called

[novel bear]

Best to focus on abilities or weapons
Hybrid builds are just worse at both

[rich glacier]

ther is no additive or multiplicative in this game

there is on which damag elayer this exists

[edgy acorn]

thats odd because on a build guide the person stated the archon shards are multiplicative

[rich glacier]

layers multiply each other, upgrading a layer is always additive

[edgy acorn]

so i was wondering if that was just for the ability buffs or if it applied to the weapon buffs too

[rich glacier]

there is no such thing

[edgy acorn]

can i link the segment of the video?

[rich glacier]

bad explanation. Multiplication exists but it isn't item based ever

[novel bear]

Ability damage shards multiply with everything else

[rich glacier]

yes I will explain.

[novel bear]

+electric shards are additive with element mods

[rich glacier]

yes

[edgy acorn]

ahhhh okay thanks for clearing it up

[rich glacier]

ability damage is ability x ability damage bonus

same with roar viral etc

[edgy acorn]

is there a clear better one to go for or are either viable the gun buffs or ability buffs

[rich glacier]

different layer of damage. All layers multiply with each other

[edgy acorn]

hmmm i see thanks for clearing it up :)

[novel bear]

Both are viable

[edgy acorn]

so just depends on playstyle

[novel bear]

Weapons can go to a higher level with gyre

[edgy acorn]

awesome im going for the gun buffing one

[rich glacier]

golvanized aptitude too. some weapons are "multiplicative" some are "additive" multiplicative just means they create a new layer for some reason and by nature it multiplies

[edgy acorn]

ive been using cedo prime and its a blast i just keep running out of ammo tho haha not sure how to fix that issue but ill find something

[edgy acorn]

appreciate you explaining it a lot

[rich glacier]

when someone says additive you need to ask additive to what? crit damage? serration damage?

[novel bear]

Condition overload effects are incredibly bugged and behave weirdly on a lot of weapons

[rich glacier]

headshots have 2 layers. base and bonus. base depending on enemy and acuity mods. passives arcanes, abilities, incarnons etc go to multiplied version layer

[edgy acorn]

okay awesome

thanks for clearing it up guys! take care <3

[rich glacier]

seek and acuity mods are the only sources of base hs multiplier boosts. idk if there are more

np always glad to help

[west radish]

any waepon able to oneshot eximus in steelpath from archwing for POE affinty farm?

[tawdry trail]

I think the affinity farm usually isn't steel path

But there are definitely weapons that could do that

With some difficulty probably

[undone dust]

yeah sp doesnt give increased xp so just do it in base path

[mellow flicker]

Is there a really solid kullervo build that utilizes rauta?
I like running warframes with their signature weapons

[violet silo]

just build kullervo, make a full multishot rauta build, then spam an enemy til u get 12x combo

[mellow flicker]

What weapons are good with kullervo?

Melee weapons I mean

Glaive or heavy swords?

[tawdry trail]

Most of them

[mellow flicker]

ooo flexible with anything

[tawdry trail]

I don't think there are any melee weapons that don't work well with 600% crit chance or however much wrathful advance gives

[fierce lark]

str x 200%

[void snow]

how do i build acceltra?

[fierce lark]

swap firestorm for a toxin mod and run crux

and hellfire instead of thermite

or wildfire tbf

[viscid silo]

anyone got a good astilla prime build? prefer good single target

[void snow]

Been testing a bit, replaced serration with vigilante arma for more multi, and crux with deadhead since every so often i get at least 1 headkill, its not bad. when i get acceltra up to max rank ill be able to put the ammo drum mod on exilus for more ammo

[grizzled cairn]

any1 got a mesa build i should do?

[warm obsidian]

Been running this
Specifically for Gauss

[hot herald]

which one is better?

[elfin sluice]

the right one, and it's not even close

[karmic cipher]

Does Nezha's divine retribution work well with archon continuity to get corrosive stacks?

[tawdry trail]

Divine retribution normally kills too fast to worry about armour stripping

But it could be useful if it counts as an ability applying toxin

[karmic cipher]

Thank you!

[void snow]

10000000% right one, damage multishot crit damage

[mighty flare]

theres build examples in here: https://discord.com/channels/552966801558863896/1500489300754825367

[rain pulsar]

what cases would ennervate be better than like flare or just a damage arcane?

[gleaming vapor]

when the weapons got a low crit stat

like balefire and glory

and nukor

[rain pulsar]

what about like high fire rate?

[gleaming vapor]

depends on the crit chance

regulators had a fast fire rate, but also a high crit chance

so she just builds crit normally

[old marsh]

Watch how we get Regulators Enervate builds as Heirloom releases

[rain pulsar]

do you guys consider mesa as a metaslop frame?

[mighty flare]

no

mesa hasnt been meta for anything for long time

[gleaming vapor]

dude we’ve had so much worse

mhb released an irradiate mesa

[rain pulsar]

what does this mean?

[gleaming vapor]

with a pure rad tazicor

[gleaming vapor]

wf youtubers are stupid

[rain pulsar]

could anyone help with my okina build? i really like this thing and want it to be super good

[fierce lark]

im pretty sure mh also was hailing the acceltra prime as one of the best primaries in the game when it was rotating

i can't remember if it was the acceltra or the phantasma but like...both are nowhere close lol

[pastel temple]

That's as good as it can get (can use range mod on glad might)

Aside from glad might being replaced by faction mod but who cares about that

[novel bear]

Irradiate mesa lol

[pastel temple]

A build of all time

[novel bear]

Or range mod

[gleaming vapor]

irradiate mesa is a piece of shit

[pastel temple]

Oh yeah didn't notice it wasn't there

[gleaming vapor]

god forbid you use smite infuse

(smite infuse does not work on exalteds)

[rain pulsar]

what one should i use? i have spring loaded and the normal reach

[pastel temple]

Spring loaded better than normal reach right

[novel bear]

Yes

[rain pulsar]

yeah

[pastel temple]

Use that one

[novel bear]

2 vs 1.5

[pastel temple]

I like range mods

[rain pulsar]

is primed 2.5 or 3?

[novel bear]

The conditional is super easy to upkeep, so there’s no reason to not use it

[pastel temple]

But when will we get follow through mods DE

[novel bear]

3

[novel bear]

1.5 follow through on exalted blade

[rain pulsar]

is crepsucular worth running on voruna if im not using her 4 and just using a melee? i assume not but idk what to switch it with

[novel bear]

She doesn’t really benefit from crepuscular for melee

Could do aegis

[old marsh]

U will know soon

[novel bear]

Hotshot is hard to upkeep
Same with icestorm

[mighty flare]

depends which melee setup
tennokai no
heavy slam yea

[rain pulsar]

i only asked cause i was running enervate on my regulators 👀

[novel bear]

Strike and fury are decent

Enervate is bad on mesa since she can fairly easily reach 200 modded crit

[rain pulsar]

i kinda almost die a lot and have to spam my 1 to shield gate using just an augur mod

[novel bear]

I’d go aegis then

[rain pulsar]

i think i can buy that one at ordies

[novel bear]

Also, voruna doesn’t use secondaries much, put augur mods there

[wary forge]

this is fine ig

u should go reach over glad might and go cd shards

or faction mod for most dmg

[rain pulsar]

idk if i picked the right evos either

[rain pulsar]

could you maybe help with my mesa?

[gleaming vapor]

drop maug, drop augur reach, slot ppg over mag might

[rain pulsar]

what over augur reach?

[gleaming vapor]

unless we wanna go for a muzzle flash route

eh yeah let’s do that

[rain pulsar]

i mainly play solo, does that aug still work without teammates?

[gleaming vapor]

ye

[gleaming vapor]

that’s what I use for brightbonnet

[rain pulsar]

whats the ice spring for?

[gleaming vapor]

parkour velocity

[rain pulsar]

oh so you bounce higher?

[gleaming vapor]

no you can just jump further

like normally

[rain pulsar]

oh

[gleaming vapor]

exilus slot is just preference

I just like having pv

[rain pulsar]

when would hotshot be better than augmented? i only have a rank 1 one

[gleaming vapor]

augmented is lowk just never good becasue mesa has some shit ass strength ratios

hotshot is better than avenger at r3

so otherwise just get avenger to r5

[rain pulsar]

ok, tysm

[gleaming vapor]

avenger is also free from botb rn so thats good

[slate siren]

Can limbos Bubble Headshot? (for riven chal reasons)

[pastel temple]

We talkin mesa build rn? Go health tank mesa with persistence and neg range gloom fr

[rain pulsar]

do you think hotshot would be worth spending the plat for?

[surreal hemlock]

Left or right?

[slate siren]

i got it from vosfor gambling with the Hollvania Packs :3

[rain pulsar]

oh i forgot abt that

i dont have much vosfor tho

[surreal hemlock]

"Let it ride" ahhhhh moment

[tawdry trail]

Right and keep rolling probably

[surreal hemlock]

Okkkk, thx

[slate siren]

but fr Can limbos Bubble Headshot? (for riven chal reasons)

[rain pulsar]

what is the most fun incarnon to use in this weeks rotation

[surreal hemlock]

What should I be looking for specifically?

[tawdry trail]

Probably the usual suspects

Crit chance, crit damage, multishot

Status chance

[surreal hemlock]

?

[pastel temple]

https://tenor.com/view/let-it-ride-let-it-ride-diem-gif-13460879079669063039

[tawdry trail]

Hm yeah that's pretty good

[gleaming vapor]

eh nah

just grind it out naturally

[warm obsidian]

What element to mod for Torid

[pastel temple]

Nothing

Just go modless torid fr

[rain pulsar]

why is it r3 to be better than avenger when avenger is 45% cc and hotshot is 2% *50 for r1 hotshot

[fierce lark]

it depends on the mission length, hotshot takes time to stack

[tawdry trail]

As simply as possible they're different kinds of crit chance

[gleaming vapor]

hotshot is modded cc

[warm obsidian]

Unless it's Nova and Mesa

[rain pulsar]

ohhh

i just read that

[fierce lark]

actually yeah i cant math

[pastel temple]

It's ok

1+1=3

[fierce lark]

corroblast, pcr+thermite+high voltage

if you care to swap loadouts run pure tox for corpus, pure blast for infested/techrot/anything that doesn't have high amounts of armor/shield and for single target dps with armor strip, viral heat if no strip

[chrome badge]

Uh quick question

Why is vasto better for vasto incarnon rather than it’s prime

[wary forge]

what

[brittle sleet]

Bigger boosts from the Incarnon evolutions in the right areas

Not a math guy so couldn't tell you what exact differences it is in the boosts that are significant but that's the trend with "inferior" versions being better, it's always either riven disposition or incarnon evo boost differences

[chrome badge]

Ty, ig I gotta refarm all the Duviri stuff to put it on a new vasto

I also assume vasto has a better dispo hopefully

[brittle sleet]

I don't think you need a bunch of resources to swap the adapter? Could be wrong, but definitely yeah if you want to have both Vasto Prime and regular both incarnon'd

[chrome badge]

Well I can take adapter off my vasto prime but to reapply it on a regular vasto I need the same resources again

I mean it’s not difficult it’s just annoying

[old marsh]

Mesa has other ways to increase her CC. orange shards, hotshot/avenger, etc

[undone dust]

not by much, base has 1.4 prime has 1.35

[chrome badge]

True but .05 dispo is .05 dispo

Lul

[old marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/you-didn't-see-anything-finchy-meme-funny-invisible-gif-11612254329109276056

[chrome badge]

Secondary Outburst 🗣️

[old marsh]

for long missions, 100% the best choice

[rain pulsar]

you can take them off???

[chrome badge]

Yea

Gotta go to cavie(lero) tho

[rain pulsar]

i got a 2nd magistar adapter when i put mine on the sancti

[old marsh]

but if the mission is like 3-5 min long, i would just skip and go fortifier/flare/encumber (basically anything that doesnt require any effort)

[sterile tiger]

Ok, so I finally replaced Primed Pistol Gambit and Cascadia Flare with Pistol Elementalist and Secondary Enervate

WOW, that's such a big difference in damage numbers

[crisp jacinth]

Anything I should change?

[warm obsidian]

What weapon?

[crisp jacinth]

Regulator prime

And this Im still tryna get new arcanes so dont mind it

[warm obsidian]

You could go for Combat Discipline and Arcane Avenger

[tidal musk]

i've been thinkin on optimizin this wisp

[gleaming vapor]

drop anemic and gunfight for corrosive, then orient for corrosive heat

also drop archon vitality

shit is genuinely useless

[elfin sluice]

(note: the fire rate loss from anemic isn't a DPS decrease primarily because you can add a shitton of it outside of the regulators themselves via the furax melee weapon & reinforced bond)

also suggest amalgam barrel diffusion on your non-regulator secondary weapon as an out-of-the-way buff to her mobility(since the only way she's moving while her guns are drawn is by rolling)

[gleaming vapor]

tbf it’s a bigger dps increase than ppg if you have enough external cc

you can get much more external cc than external fr

[elfin sluice]

honestly, over half of mesa's weapon power comes from stuff that isn't her weapon

[sturdy walrus]

weapon platform

[quiet laurel]

Once in a lifetime event

[twin pine]

ok