1.21.20.22 - Preview

[cerulean quiver]

i learnt about them properly the other day lol (copium)

[ashen stream]

Jigsaws are cool. Can't wait to get them on bedrock

ignore the enchanted pillager

[cerulean quiver]

the picture that smokeystack tweeted looked quite similar to the java structure too, which is great

[half oracle]

hope mojang will change it #1182091012177399809 message

[ashen stream]

(I gotta learn the JSON part on Java)

[west halo]

That always happened iirc

[ancient quiver]

They exist and do... Something. But they dont really work well.

[west halo]

They currently do something?

I know they are supposed to be used in structures the world places down

[ancient quiver]

I think they can load a structure, but they dont save data like in java

[ancient quiver]

The issue is that no one knows exactly how to use this thing.

[ancient quiver]

It has no generate button lol

[ancient quiver]

https://discord.com/channels/523663022053392405/1218780691064422440

Someone made an addon for that lmao

[trim ether]

When did they add this thing

[high bridge]

If theyre not useable by creators then theres no point

Thats what we eere discussing. Their are hints that advanced structures are coming

[weary spoke]

Some time last year iirc

[trim ether]

bruh

[weary spoke]

Same, well kind of

Sometimes I load up the world, no reflections, and sometimes there are reflections, the only issue though for me is that the whole entire world becomes reflective

[high bridge]

Thats me every time

[high bridge]

How did you achieve this?

[weary spoke]

I just restarted the world

It’s weird

And sometimes thee water breaks for me

[high bridge]

🙏 1.21.20.23 will fix this

[weary spoke]

hopefully!!

[weary spoke]

I figured out how this happens, loading a world with Deferred enabled causes the water to just give up

[high bridge]

🙏 Mr @torn root something to look into or give insight on

[weary spoke]

On iOS (at least for me) enabling reflections causes the game to crash

But I still have water reflections even without Nevermind, It does the same thing as Windows with the water

[high bridge]

I FIXED IT!!!

Turn on deferred, leave world, rejoin world!

[west halo]

@ashen stream people aren't liking your pack 😦
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JX2uEsJNJ3s

[ashen stream]

Comments? Yea, Im not wasting my mental energy on that.

[high bridge]

I WILL I WILL

I WANNA READ BRAINROT

[hollow urchin]

oh my those comments really are brainrot

[west halo]

I admit though the pack does look overly saturated

[swift plover]

Nah see what you gotta do is go into the iFunny comment section when a clip of Minecraft bedrock is posted

[ashen stream]

Feedback ❤️

[languid ravine]

Sky still looks terrible but ig thats wip for much later

[ashen stream]

Yea I had to make it bright for the water

[languid ravine]

Not your pack, its in all packs

[west halo]

The sky before the pack in the video was updated looked fine

[languid ravine]

Just very foggy

[west halo]

(until you look away from the sun that is)

[ashen stream]

Yea. For some reason the water is just a black void when the rayleigh strength was low.

[west halo]

tbf it makes sense considering water absorbs light like in real life. The problem is that it's absorbing too much

[ashen stream]

Just... eew

[west halo]

So it gets real dark real quick

[ashen stream]

yep

[west halo]

If I saw that in the ocean it would make sense in that context

[ashen stream]

For some reason the sky isn't affected by SSR

[blissful wyvern]

i love this one

[mystic wyvern]

those comments, i can’t

horrid, misleading

[west halo]

I think that's a good thing. IBL already handles sky reflections

[unborn coral]

still looks way better than the opaque brown sludge i see irl

[ashen stream]

But not in a good way I feel like

[weary spoke]

PFT- That’s what I’ve been doing

[west halo]

Ssr just adds on top of existing reflection techniques

[ashen stream]

Tho I do agree the pack is too saturated, and so glad you told me because no one ever told me this <3

[west halo]

In computer graphics, IBL is like frosting, and SSR is the sprinkles.

A little bit of sprinkles goes a long way

But IBL covers the rest of the sweet

[ashen stream]

Hmm

[ashen stream]

I don't know if it's the color or how bright it is.

[west halo]

Did you mess around with the saturation configuration in your pack?

[ashen stream]

Just now in editor

[west halo]

No I mean, is that how your pack released is? It explicitly has increased saturation?

[scenic jackal]

wowie the commenters are either woefully misinformed or just plain clueless regarding deferred

[ashen stream]

Yes.

[west halo]

They hate it for the wrong reasons. Poggy this is your fault. 🫵

[scenic jackal]

[ashen stream]

I gotta read these comments

Already dead

[earnest prawn]

Agreed. Holy crap nobody in that comment section knows a thing

[west halo]

You should tone that down. Adjust the colours without color grading first, then change colour grading later

[scenic jackal]

i gotta tell ya, most of their takes are braindead stupid half of the time

[ashen stream]

I'm trying my best :(

[scenic jackal]

dw its not your fault

[earnest prawn]

This is a work in progress graphics mode not a fully finished shader like you have on Java

[west halo]

Yes it is 😈

[earnest prawn]

And they also don't understand that the pack creators have little control over the visual issues and such

[scenic jackal]

people just have too high of an expectation when they hear "Custom Shaders with real time reflections on Bedrock!"

[scenic jackal]

[high bridge]

They expect mirrors

[scenic jackal]

welp

[high bridge]

Imma be real...mirrors in Minecraft is a crappy idea

[scenic jackal]

lemme get the new preview rq

[west halo]

That's definitely saturated

[scenic jackal]

true

a tad much ngl

[ocean knot]

no, I want more water pics

[west halo]

And you'll keep getting 'em 🙂

[scenic jackal]

ngl mojang's wip implementation of SSR was a lot better in terms of ranges and detail than what we currently have

[high bridge]

How do i best setup to test ssr? Iron block room with 255 metallic and a noon time?

[ashen stream]

I want this

[ocean knot]

hmm, the hard lines on the left made this feel broken at first. But with my HD assets I think it will look fine.

[scenic jackal]

this is not a current screenshot, this was taken way before ssr was even confirmed

[west halo]

And that's just by changing some parameters right?

[ashen stream]

yep

Oh god he's live

[ocean knot]

What would it take for me to add this to my space game? I changed all the vanilla block textures and all entities and then added 35 particle textures and 20 block textures, 100 entities. All HD textures

[west halo]

You just have to have reflective, solid geometry

[ashen stream]

😔

[west halo]

SSR is a sorta "just works" kinda deal

[mystic wyvern]

i went to go check and yep… he’s live with your pack

[ocean knot]

I ment with PBRs...

[mystic wyvern]

more cursed comments anyone?

[scenic jackal]

this is quite weird, ssr no workey on pc for me

[west halo]

Yeah. Just have zero roughness on whatever texture set you're using

[scenic jackal]

lemme try joining the world again

[ashen stream]

Saw one

[ocean knot]

Anyone have a good current guide on setting up differ on a custom addon

[ashen stream]

"why water green"

small

[mystic wyvern]

lmaoooo

[ocean knot]

I like green water in some biomes

[scenic jackal]

rejoining the world fixed it

[west halo]

nvm, it's just me

[scenic jackal]

huh

[ashen stream]

the image I sent

[west halo]

someone else had a similar problem and that was their fix

[scenic jackal]

the water certainly did not look like this on android for me

[west halo]

What config changes did you make?

[ashen stream]

"fading_power_horizontal": 10.0,
      "fading_power_vertical": 10.0,
      "fading_distance": 1,

[half oracle]

You can change it in config files

[rocky flicker]

Do I not see the comments or something? It's just criticisms on colors/hues for aspects that still have bugs and changes that need to be made

from the ibxtoycat video*

[late carbon]

is this Minecraft editor mode or an external app

[weary spoke]

Editor

[late carbon]

i see

[ocean knot]

Any good guides on setting up a world and using editor for this?

[ashen stream]

Editor is awesome!

[west halo]

⚒️

[ashen stream]

idk what that means

[west halo]

Someone doesn't know what communism looks like

[ashen stream]

YT shorts comments:

[earnest prawn]

Oh no, it's almost like these useless comments are exactly why deferred is NOT releasing yet

These literally help no one

[ashen stream]

The difference between Ecko's audience and Toycat's audience is wild

[dense ginkgo]

"pack adds bloatware"

bro what

[earnest prawn]

I don't know of any deferred pack that adds animation

[pastel basalt]

when was animation bloatware

[dense ginkgo]

YOU the user add them

it's kinda the user responsibility

[ashen stream]

nah people like to blame me for everything

[earnest prawn]

Yeah it's your choice to throw on a deferred pack with let's say actions and stuff.

The problem is that comment section is just so uninformed

[dense ginkgo]

if you add the stuff that somehow "bloats" to your content, maybe just don't use it at all maybe

[pastel basalt]

they just dumb af
they don't know if it works for stable
and if it doesn't they blame
and if they are understanding and have preview and doesn't fit their imagination
they blame
they are just uninformed haters

at least be informed about it

[ashen stream]

Bro they compared RTX to deferred

[pastel basalt]

like come on

[earnest prawn]

They believe you are the creator of the "shader" not mojang. Dont direct hate at Mojang either. They can't seem to understand that deferred is IN DEVELOPMENT. If you want finished polished shaders just go play Java. It's not that hard

[ashen stream]

IN DEVELOPMENT? what's that? lol

[earnest prawn]

True anything that's released has to be done

[ashen stream]

They compared RTX to deferred, Java shaders to deferred, like... lol

[earnest prawn]

It's like buying an early access game on steam and not expecting it to have some issues

[dense ginkgo]

in general, mojang needs more devs.

[earnest prawn]

RTX is only even remotely able to be compared since they utilize renderdragon. Even then Raytracing vs Rasterization. Things aren't gonna look the same and quite honestly deferred might look better than RTX very soon

[dense ginkgo]

it's kinda obvious enough when deferred took literally one year and still unfinished aswell Ore-UI just 5 whole years.

[ashen stream]

iirc from our deferred QnA, I think the graphic devs we have right now are like one of the best? I remember one said they worked on Forza's graphics.

[earnest prawn]

Yeah they have good people

[ashen stream]

Some did AAA graphics, so we got like good devs here.

[dense ginkgo]

yeah it's just basically xbox studio working together.

[ashen stream]

haha

I can't imagine the pain to make graphics for a cube game

Especially with the rendering engine

[dense ginkgo]

it's also quite not enough despite forza 5's are. well, buggy or unfinish at best

[earnest prawn]

Forza 5 had buggy visuals? I never had issues with it

[dense ginkgo]

i meant the game in general.

[earnest prawn]

Oh

[ashen stream]

To be fair the pack was too saturated and stuff. I toned it down and I am forcing them to use the new version. Other than that I don't know why they're crying.

[dense ginkgo]

don't get me wrong, the xbox team is pretty good but when you throw something that they doesn't understand the structure or basically have to rewrite them, stuff like these tends to happen

[ashen stream]

I don't think deferred will get cancelled. They won't make the same mistake like they did with SDGP.

[dense ginkgo]

it's just basically the same new battlefield situations

aka hiring new devs that have no idea what are they doing

[earnest prawn]

The issues it seems to be are just core deferred issues. A dark part of the sky... well we can kinda fix it but not fully. The sun looking weird? Can't fix that either. Idek what they mean by, "removed the ozone layer" are they talking about the fog or something

[ashen stream]

Oh I haven't seen that dark part in the sky

in this preview

[dense ginkgo]

"removed the ozone layer" probably means that the sky isn't quite blue or something.

[earnest prawn]

Not everyone wants a realistic looking sky

[dense ginkgo]

if you ever go to some other countries or atleast in airplane, you'll see pretty clear blue circle borders and that's ozone.

[earnest prawn]

Sure I modeled my daytime sky color off a picture I took of the real sky

[ashen stream]

Well, I had to make it like this for the water to look good.

[earnest prawn]

But not everyone wants that

[ashen stream]

This is if the sky is like really blue. too much blue

[earnest prawn]

B L U E

[ashen stream]

if they went outside they'd see the sky is looking like this (almost)

at least where I live.

Sooo the people who cry never go outside?

[dense ginkgo]

that certainly doesn't look like that to me in irl

the sky is pretty blue. though honestly i don't blame it

[ashen stream]

I don't think I've ever seen a pretty blue sky in my life

[dense ginkgo]

but it do look like what you show in the top of the world or where the infinite winter or penguin is.

[earnest prawn]

I used this image I took to base my sky color off of

It's not perfect but

[dense ginkgo]

it's pretty decent

nearly close to vanilla's sky.

[cerulean rose]

Very cool pack. Can you share it?

[earnest prawn]

Oh yeah it's called uhhh

MyEyesIRL 2048x RTX

lol

[cerulean rose]

haha

[scenic jackal]

Nah man those have to be 4096x textures no?

I can't find a single pixel

[earnest prawn]

True true

[weary spoke]

https://x.com/xkingdarkyt/status/1811425106058428850 LOL

[ashen stream]

That's fine. I mean like... Idk how to explain it.

They expect deferred to look or behave like RTX

[cerulean rose]

https://fxtwitter.com/xkingdarkyt/status/1811425106058428850

[hollow urchin]

I kind of like deferred more

[ashen stream]

It's still early development but yea, people like to complain and stuff but oh well.

[cerulean quiver]

you don't deserve all the hate

[ashen stream]

Ehh, I don't care that much to be honest

[west halo]

On the bright side, you improved the color grading. #1182095383015456829 message

I especially like this
#1182095383015456829 message

[ashen stream]

❤️❤️

[cloud tusk]

Just some of it you say

[ashen stream]

After playing in a world for a while I really fell in love with it ^^

[west halo]

Was the SSR config in the screenshot modified?

[ashen stream]

Yep

[west halo]

Too bad. They totally should increase the range. At least on more powerful hardware

[ashen stream]

It's not that demanding at all, from what I experienced.

Not sure why the range is short, maybe it's just temporary?

[spare lark]

I gotta say, your deferred pack is getting too saturated, so maybe tone down the saturation a bit.
For the latest version (or in-dev) I am not really a fan of the water. It feels a bit too dark in contrast with the sky.
There’s probably another issue with sun size and fog but I really haven’t played much to give feedback currently. I’d love to see how it goes in the future so I can use it more for thumbnails

Also some of the comments in toycat’s vid are decent feedback. It’s not as detailed as some of us here because they’re not devs, but this is where major improvements come from for me at least, takes a lot of time to filter out the bad ones but it’s worth it.

[cerulean quiver]

they have a low-saturation mode as one of the settings i think

[pastel basalt]

wtf happened with light block did i miss something

now it have indiviual blocks states

which is good ig?

[rocky flicker]

flattened

[pastel basalt]

we need trial spawner to be flattened 🙏

[high bridge]

No

Theyre the same as Java

Cant flatten what never had auxval

[pastel basalt]

i just want block state point lights

[high bridge]

Real

[pastel basalt]

yooooooooo copper grate is fixed

but no ssr tho
it's transparent geometry 😔

[west halo]

Why is it transparent though? 🤔

[pastel basalt]

hmm i believe it was a custom model/scripted block??
that's why we had pbr issues with grates
now it had been fixed but yeah it just glass with another texture and sound
there's no shadows

[west halo]

I wonder why they made it like that

[ancient quiver]

Its flat now.

[zenith whale]

bruh

i missed so much

[earnest prawn]

Indeed

[west halo]

Hi

[ashen stream]

Hello!! Hope you had fun camping :3

[zenith whale]

i did

very fun

[ashen stream]

^^

[west halo]

Was there any water source nearby? rivers? lakes? puddles?

[ashen stream]

Really excited for you to try out the new deferred stuff :>

[zenith whale]

it wasn’t actually camping

it was a church camp

we did activities all week

[west halo]

Oh

[shy kite]

speaking of water

here's one of my screenshots

[west halo]

Don't say anything

Well, you didn't say anything, lol

[shy kite]

Lmao

[vernal tinsel]

Nice screenshot

[shy kite]

Thanks

[zenith whale]

but yes we did get to rivers and swim

anyway

why does the sky look so different

[earnest prawn]

POV: lag

[west halo]

That's the first thing you notice 😂

[zenith whale]

i know about ssr

[ashen stream]

What about the new water

They'll add more to it later btw

[zenith whale]

i thought it was just ssr..

[ashen stream]

Nope :p

[earnest prawn]

Water got an overhaul

[ashen stream]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1173233107231588362/1261304086255636511/Screenshot_1082.png?ex=6693c9f8&is=66927878&hm=79e5740e4b0477940981206c2a81dade1a6cc5e455c160bbebb889a23143a888&

[earnest prawn]

It actually has shading in the depth and stuff

It is a bit too dark but I believe that will be fixable with data driving values in the future

[west halo]

It's filled with algae

and fresnel is actually fresnelling

[shy kite]

like my neighborhood pool

[west halo]

You know, the first time I saw the images, I thought there was some refraction going on, but nope, it was just an illusion

[earnest prawn]

Yeah no refraction yet

[west halo]

Like bodies of water looked shallower than normal

[ashen stream]

I'm feeling maybe caustics next week (if we're lucky)

[earnest prawn]

Caustics and a fix to the shading issue

Would be nice

[zenith whale]

I haven’t got to update yet cause I was in car

Now I can tho

[zenith whale]

Why isn’t ssr working

Do I have to have reflections on ultra ?

[ashen stream]

Yes

For mobile

[zenith whale]

Oh

[zenith whale]

Skye graphics and luminous dreams

I love ssr

Now we need wavy water

That we can actually be able to see without having to get close to water

[tiny terrace]

Someone broke something.

[sonic axle]

(MCPE-183999) Attempting to edit a world with the new Edit World screen enabled and Screen Animations disabled leads you to an empty void

Reported by

beebee

Votes

4

Project

MCPE

Created

<t:1720677689:R>

Updated

<t:1720794555:R>

Status

To Do (Reopened)

Since version

1.21.20.22 Preview

Resolution

Unresolved

Fix version

Unset

[tiny terrace]

I was just trying to work on a project.

[pastel basalt]

y

[snow salmon]

any lite shaders for mobile?

[scenic jackal]

Not exactly the place to ask but, yes

[snow salmon]

send

[scenic jackal]

DMs

[mighty beacon]

3060 and you have 130FPS???

What

When I turn everything to ultra my game is locked at 30

[earnest prawn]

The trick is to not play on ultra

Keep fog on high

Looks no different as well

[mighty beacon]

Oh okay

[echo haven]

Kayla isn't really the one who is involves with that. And pinging mojang devs in general isn't a good idea

[late anvil]

oh

so ,which dev is responsible for this

[echo haven]

🤷‍♂️

You can always make a feedback post in that discors

Or this might be a bug even, so could make a bug report

[late anvil]

why don't they do a review and check if everything is done?

before releasing major updates

[dense ginkgo]

generally speaking, you don't just go ping random people or even worse with mods or mojangster.

also most of mojangster(s) here are just only addon team division, e.g script-api team, deferred team etc. there's barely any game mechanic team here so, kinda effectively useless or even better annoying to the wrong person.

( also you've pinged the executive producer btw )

[late anvil]

ok, thanks for informing

I will delete that

[echo haven]

I'm suee there are reviews as well, it's just that minecraft is a big game, and they're human and can miss things

[dense ginkgo]

well QA exists.

sometimes the QA team can't just playtest literally everything

[earnest prawn]

Yea things slip by no matter how good they are

[keen zealot]

That not huge for peoples who don't use the marketplace this preview not that good I'm waiting for more about custom stuff for add-ons like new custom dimensions, etc.

[shy kite]

16 chunks

[high bridge]

Bro will say this preview sucks when they added a huge feature for deferred rendering

[keen zealot]

Is there a feature where u can use shaders to make blocks camouflage with the sky?

[cloud tusk]

Just because they didn't add that one niche feature you want, you can't say the preview is "not that good"

[ocean knot]

You can make them alpha. https://youtu.be/Ft-_fr-u8-A

[zenith whale]

Maybe some small features after these announced features and then optimization will go on

We still need custom clouds

Maybe they will give cubemaps a giant overhaul so we can make custom clouds

Like animated cubemaps for example

[thorny bramble]

I think you might be right

[zenith whale]

👀

Fingers crossed we can get custom clouds in deferred

🤞

[empty dome]

also, did no one notice this? Lol
https://fxtwitter.com/NikMC01/status/1813447205677646027?s=19

[zenith whale]

No one joins realms in preview

Cause there’s no public realm codes to join