Graphics General

[long ruin]

I might use it myself too

[white willow]

Being able to edit fog, color grading all that in real time is INSANELY helpful

[graceful iron]

I prob won’t for actual pack creation, as I’m not even finished with Cat RTX, but I’ll use it while developing for Obsidian preset stuff in the next update

[white willow]

Yeah fair enough

It's still a super SUPER helpful tool

[quasi trench]

[silent zealot]

Did it say fog?

[white willow]

Idk I figured you could edit that though

I'll reread it

[graceful iron]

I would assume so…

[white willow]

It says atmospheric which I'd imagine includes fog

[graceful iron]

Yeah

[silent zealot]

Or it could just mean the atmohsperhic.json file

[graceful iron]

This is more likely tho

[white willow]

Well yea I knew it would include that

I'll check it out in a bit

ok theres no fog settings rn

a little sad but still nice to be able to do everything else in real time

[silent zealot]

Are you kidding me....no underground fog?

[pale urchin]

Hmm yeah it doesn't make sense to put a limit on that

Especially considering that the overworld can have custom heights

[still zenith]

This was not intended. Apologies. We will give you back your underground values.

[quick beacon]

It's okay! ^^

I absolutely love volumetric point lights :3

[naive solstice]

Still stuck in pre caves and cliffs era lol

[proud pike]

Deferred seems to messed up for both mobile platforms, iOS is facing screen flickering, some Androids are getting black screens.

Welp

[safe urchin]

fine for me

[vague shoal]

[white willow]

I guess it just depends on which android?

Idk iOS is severely more broken

No pbr, no point lights, performance in the floor

Literally getting 7fps here

This would be like 40 before sometimes more

I have faith though. 🫡

[proud pike]

some

[vague shoal]

@quick beacon you cooked with cubemaps in ur pack today

[drowsy lantern]

Why i can't see any red fog?

[long ruin]

it needs quite a bit of fog to actually see it

[drowsy lantern]

How?

My game brake

[long ruin]

It's broken on mobile I believe

[hard trellis]

do ya'll know where the cubemap file is in resource packs?

[quick beacon]

textures/environment/overworld_cubemap/

[hard trellis]

what goes in that folder?

[white willow]

This is by far one of my favorite additions so far

Left has fog disabled for comparison

[proud pike]

Absolute W in my book, maybe mojang took some inspiration from Veka doing this earlier, either way they cooked

They just need to sort out all the other issues that have sprouted up in this preview

[tight mantle]

Hola. Cuáles son los requisitos android actuales para correr prb? Y que versión debo usar, la beta o la oficial?

Qué herramienta es? :0

[pale urchin]

Hello. What are the current Android requirements to run PBR? And which version should I use, the beta or the official one?

As far as I know, you need at least GLES 3.1 with some cube array extension and a minimum compute work size of 512. Not entirely sure about that last one

And yes, in Beta only for now

[tight mantle]

No pude entender con precisión lo último ya que no me especializo en cómputo referente a tamaño de procesamiento en GPU.

Según tengo entendido los requisitos eran bastante altos en la versión 1.20.0.80 pero ahora han reducido. En la beta 1.21 aproximadamente.

[pale urchin]

I couldn't precisely understand the last one since I don't specialize in computing regarding processing size on GPU.

Just try running the game with a PBR pack in Minecraft beta and see how it goes.

[tight mantle]

Mi redmi 9 alcanzaba una equivalente en snapdragon 700 y el requisito previo era 800.

Podrías pasarme un paquete sencillo? Instalare la beta.

Cómo se llama la herramienta por la que pregunté arriba? Apenas hace poco conocí una igual de potente, aunque yo programo en Android manualmente.

[silent zealot]

@tight mantle Hey, please speak English thanks

[tight mantle]

If you are on PC you should translate. It's the fairest thing.

[tight mantle]

@silent zealot please.

[graceful iron]

Anyone know if the Editor stuff is out yet for Deferred?

[burnt niche]

basilic22

Hi everyone, what you're doing with the deferred is really cool.

[rocky halo]

It works well

[sonic canopy]

Yes

[quick beacon]

hate slow internet

[earnest sierra]

Don’t worry about the graphical issues but yes

[sonic canopy]

It doesn't work that well from my tests tho. Some values are unreasonably restricted, and integer sliders for floats aren't that great to work with

[earnest sierra]

Yeah

Some work still needs to be done but I can’t wait for the APIs

[sonic canopy]

Can't wait for client side scripting, so that client side effects can be finally driven by client side APIs.

Tbh I'm not a fan of declarative approach with server side APIs (like with fogs). It would've been muuuch better if we could data drive it with molang or client scripting on the client, dynamically. Imagine of you want to make an RGB animated fog, currently to achieve this you are forced to auto generate hundreds of fog definitions, and apply them on server side, with animation rate being limited by 20 TPS and susceptible to server lag. Now imagine if you could just plug HSV->RGB molang into the fog color directly, like you can with entity overlay color and particles, isn't this just so much better.

[earnest sierra]

It’s way better

[tight mantle]

Someone send me a pbr shader and tell me how to activate it and know if I am incompatible

[graceful iron]

how do I use this btw

I can't seem to find a way to open the menu for deferred stuffs

[earnest sierra]

Is the client in Editor mode?

[graceful iron]

yes

and latest preview as well

[earnest sierra]

Click on “view” on the top left

Then the last option

[graceful iron]

ah

got it

[graceful iron]

cows

[quasi trench]

oh no

[pale urchin]

Don't worry. It only looks like that because entities are paused in editor mode

[quasi trench]

oh

[quasi trench]

please mojang dont let an american holiday stop you from preview day

:doggysmurkW:

deferred brokey ❕

[honest iris]

how performance-hungry are deferred packs in mobile

[proud pike]

very

if you dont have a good device dont expect to get more than 30 fps

[honest iris]

i get around 120fps on 5~10 render distance

[proud pike]

what SoC?

[honest iris]

let me check

exynos 2100

its a weird one though

sometimes it works great

sometimes it drops performance for no reason

well its s21 so im not surprised

theres also that i lowered the resolution of the game

[quasi trench]

depends on your other settings too

[stark harness]

What dose barebones texture pack look like with defferd rendering

[quick beacon]

I'll check for you. I myself am curious as well.

[stark harness]

Wow looks amazing

[pale urchin]

Awesome

[graceful iron]

[spice hare]

Hey, is there a good guide for starting with particles ? the wiki is kindof empty...

[white willow]

WOAH HOW DID I MISS THIS

snells window (it was said it existed but wow)

unfortunately though, enabling fog makes this effect completely invisible

my underwater fog might just be too thick

[quasi trench]

🐌

[sonic canopy]

Someone should try ultra hi rez normal texture with 0 roughness, to see how rough random reflections would look like

[safe urchin]

reflections off

On without fog

With fog

Reflections are invisible with fog

[white willow]

yeah

[safe urchin]

not as i expected

but good

[sonic canopy]

Someone should try a mirror ball, using entity polymesh

[white willow]

not a fan of the mirror like reflections but it will be changes in the future

It’s kinda nuts how much fog kills reflection

[quick beacon]

That my pack? The normals look... idk

[sonic canopy]

There might be actually a mistake in the shader, and it might be applying fog twice, by reflecting an image with already applied fog, and applying more fog on top

[white willow]

could be the case

also not sure why its making my sky like that, it didnt do that before

i used fog heights to make sure it didnt cover my sky

[white willow]

im on the biome border nvm

welp guess im gonna go learn how to write a simple unity shader for fun while i wait for update

[sonic canopy]

Godot > Unity

[quick beacon]

I may try to make an HD normal map for my water but I dunno how to make one :D AWESOME

[white willow]

havent tried it. i just happen to have unity for free due to school

[sonic canopy]

Unity was recently on fire due to unreasonable pricing changes, after that incident Godot as a fully free and open source engine is looking very appealing imo

[white willow]

for sure, i hear its great

[safe urchin]

Yes

[quick beacon]

I don't like how my normal looks

[safe urchin]

well new glitch introduced to Deferred on Android

clouds issue it seems to be

[safe urchin]

Just make the water more blue/brighter

[quick beacon]

Can we even do that with the new water?

[safe urchin]

Luminous | prizma

[quick beacon]

Yea, I noticed mine is like that for some reason

[tribal trail]

can i post your Prizma screenshot in some places?

it looks good

[safe urchin]

ok, sure

[white willow]

this hurts my head

but its still cool

[white willow]

huh HLSL is quite interesting

[tribal trail]

why ssr is sometimes not visible

[tribal trail]

I changed "fading_power_horizontal", "fading_power_vertical" and "fading_distance"

[tribal trail]

it's soo much better

[tribal trail]

i hope they can change ssr to this

[white willow]

i second this opinion

An increase in fading distance would be fantastic

along with changing how fog is handled by ssr would also be great

[pale urchin]

With the way fog is calculated, perhaps just disabling it entirely in ssr would be best.

[white willow]

agreed

especially underwater

[proud pike]

[white willow]

although this issue with underwater will probably not be a thing when we get all the data driveable stuff

[pale urchin]

Hold up. Disabling fog underwater?

[proud pike]

I was wondering why the water was like nuclear waste underwater yesterday

[pale urchin]

Shouldn't we have fog underwater?

[proud pike]

[white willow]

since our resource pack fogs no longer work for underwater

[pale urchin]

Oh you mean not being able to customize it?

[white willow]

yeah

[pale urchin]

Ok

[white willow]

i more meant remove it from SSR rendering underwater

but idk if that would cause issues

probably would

but we havent gotten the water rework yet so ill hold judgement

[tribal trail]

i hope they will change it

[white willow]

underwater fog is definitely far improved over the old versions. just without data driving it right now its so strong (this will definitely become a non issue soon)

[silent zealot]

How do i best setup to test ssr? Iron block room with 255 metallic and a noon time?

[proud pike]

reflections do look a bit better with fog turned off

[quick beacon]

yea ^^

[proud pike]

its fine with fog turned on

though the ranges do need to be extended by a lot

[tribal trail]

#1182091012177399809 message

[proud pike]

with fog

without fog

[proud pike]

:o

will try

[tribal trail]

Ssr should not reflect fog

It would be much better

[proud pike]

true

[silent zealot]

Amazing! Water still has normal map capabilities

[earnest sierra]

Mhm

Which is great

[silent zealot]

?

[earnest sierra]

Reload your world

[silent zealot]

Hey since when did signs glow now?

[pale urchin]

@quick beacon the screenshots in #1182095383015456829 look amazing

[brave torrent]

how can i use the new deferred stuff?

I may be dumb, i just cant find anything that shows an example of how i can add the new water thing to my own resource pack :p

[real berry]

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/minecraft/creator/documents/deferredlighting?view=minecraft-bedrock-stable

[white willow]

the new water doesnt need to be added. its a game update. nothing needs to be done to get it

[brave torrent]

then something is wrong with my water textures but ill figure it out

[white willow]

nah, theres a game bug

sometimes it just doesnt work

theres a few other people with this issue

sometimes it just fixes, other times it doesnt work. its very odd

[brave torrent]

ahhh okay

[white willow]

im not quite sure how to get it to work overall

if its not working at least

[brave torrent]

Its awesome how hot my phone can get when using the deferred technical preview, its gotten so hot to the point where it can actually hurt a little when touching the back of my phone haha

[honest iris]

its impressive how you only feel that with deferred

[brave torrent]

Lol

[honest iris]

i have to put render distance on at least 5 or 10

to keep the game from overheating my phone

[brave torrent]

render distance doesnt really affect much for me

[honest iris]

im envious

[brave torrent]

something in deferred is taking too much resources from my phone and i cant stop it

lowering the graphics doesnt do much either

loading a world starts wonderfully but slowly drops in frames then crashes in about 5 minutes roughly

[honest iris]

sounds like memory leak

[brave torrent]

hm

[honest iris]

try standing still and do absolutely nothing

if it still crashes then its 100% memory leak

if it doesnt then its 99% memory leak

to be fair the game gradually having the performance worse over time just sounds like memory leak to begin with

[brave torrent]

And there isnt anything i can do really?

[honest iris]

well it sounds like game issue

i dunno how deferred works at all so

[brave torrent]

ah okay

[honest iris]

is it just a setting you can turn on or

is it resource pack thing

[brave torrent]

resource pack thing

[honest iris]

hmmmmm now thats even unknownable

[brave torrent]

kinda like rtx

[honest iris]

is it the same with other packs

[brave torrent]

no not really

[honest iris]

🪿

[white willow]

Feel like I'll just throw this down for a minute

Left image is a uh... really broken lava bucket. Right image is the emissive channel

Where things get even weirder is game restarts/world reloads either reduce the issue or make it look like I never added PBR at all

Unless this is an issue related to texture set versioning

And the version needs to be 1.21+ or something

[viscid moth]

not texture set versioning it is just bugged

[quick beacon]

@white willow (moving here since we're going off-topic in the preview forum)

[white willow]

Alright

I don't think there's anything wrong with your sky colors

[quick beacon]

Maybe mine is too "washed" hmm

[white willow]

A little

But it's still fine

[quick beacon]

It's my fog qwq

[earnest sierra]

Does anyone know why this happens?

[tribal trail]

-too reflective grass
-sky too bright
-deferred being deferred

[earnest sierra]

I'm asking as to why every block is reflective despite the global roughness being set to 255

Disabling reflections fixes it but I do not want to do that

[quick beacon]

rayleigh strength being too high

[tribal trail]

"sky too bright"

"deferred being deferred"

[sonic canopy]

That's how reflections work in deferred

[tribal trail]

and that's why I hate them

[quick beacon]

Intentional? It's kinda bad rn because if you lower rayleigh, you won't see your sky in the water (or in ssr at all)

[tribal trail]

love hate relationship better describe how i feel about them

[quick beacon]

They're cool for cool stuff bad but in general?

[naive solstice]

putting this here bc video is 30mb

[safe urchin]

isn't it possible to disable reflections for certain blocks

like just wood and grass and stone

idk

[earnest sierra]

Pretty sure it’s bugged because sometimes it’s fine and sometimes everything’s shiny

[safe urchin]

I tried a lot of Deferred packs

this happens with prizma

but doesn't with Luminous Dream

Idk why

Sometimes it's good

Then after an update

It happens again

[earnest sierra]

Reloading the world sometimes fixes it for me

[safe urchin]

yes

[viscid moth]

is sea lantern transparent geo or full block??

nvm it can have ref

anyways did you guys know that sea lantern can be used to activate a conduit

[honest iris]

yes but

id rather use different blocks cuz lanterns are a bit expensive

[sonic canopy]

@still zenith it would be great if we could use negative contrast and saturation, that allows to create very interesting and unique effects. I didn't have the chance to test usefulness of exotic values for other properties, but they might also benefit from relaxed range constraints.

[silent zealot]

End Update confirmed by the pic on the right /s

[pale urchin]

Yeah I don't think limits make sense in certain places. For instance, I still don't like the limits added to fog height, because you can make void dimensions that are way larger than that

[sonic canopy]

I don't like limits in general, just let us go crazy with the values. I've done many awesome effects using values way outside of 0-1 range in overlay_color and uv_anim inside of entity render controllers, but at the same time there are many effects in particles that I haven't been able to do because their color tint and UV fields have a very small value constraint

[silent zealot]

If there is a limit, an explanation should follow as well. Considering how they gave an explanation to the block geometry limit(iirc), they should do the same for all other future and current limits

[pale urchin]

Question to you pack creators. How would you want clouds to be customizable?

I'm no dev, but I'm curious to know what capabilities you'd want to make your clouds, and what it may take to make the ones like on Java

[silent zealot]

Utilize noise to generate the clouds dynamically and at differing heights

[graceful iron]

I’d like to be able to control the color and generation height of the clouds

Maybe even being able to control the geometry of the clouds to make things like beveling would be cool

[white willow]

This would be cool ^

[pale urchin]

@silent zealot @graceful iron so the two of you have height generation in common. So in terms of clouds generation itself, it sounds like two styles should be supported somehow. Realistic and Blocky

I wonder if there's a way to make one system that can create both, or do we need it as an explicit mode toggle 🤔

[silent zealot]

Ik Legends had a dev build that had dynamic clouds

And Ik some tech from Legends is used in Deferred Rendering so...why not yoink it lol

[pale urchin]

I haven't played legends in a while. I don't remember what the clouds look like

[silent zealot]

The dynamic clouds were cut from the public release

[pale urchin]

Is there still some hidden API stuff that we can look at?

JSON or anything?

[silent zealot]

Not afaik, it was just something that was mentioned when talking to the devs

[pale urchin]

Then it would be hard to base regular Minecraft on legends' clouds

Especially when legends only has a single style. Blocky

(beginning to remember what it looks like)

[silent zealot]

Just imagine IRL cloud fog thats all

[pale urchin]

You lost me

[silent zealot]

Essentially using noise to generate the clouds is what I want

[pale urchin]

I get that, but how can we support the blocky style at the same time?

Oh, well I guess we can just have a shape parameter or something

[silent zealot]

tonemappers has options...why not add that in the cloud config file or something. Voxel vs whispy or whatever you want to call non blocky

[pale urchin]

That sounds nice. And if you want to go all out, you can create multiple layers

Each layer can support three shapes. blocky puffy whispy.

Each layer shares these properties in common. (revised)

• height How heigh the layer is
• thickness How thick the layer is (whispy ignores this)
• map_scale The scale of the map texture used to place clouds
• speed The speed the clouds move in

What do you think?

[silent zealot]

Would need a more detailed example on the v fog object but other than that 👍

[pale urchin]

Actually scratch that one. I realized that fog already has that setting specifically for clouds

[graceful iron]

map_texture seems a bit unnecessary given the fact that we have a dedicated texture for clouds already. Redefining it wouldn’t make too much sense

[pale urchin]

I suppose so. I was thinking about multi layers, but that can be randomized with offsets

[silent zealot]

Would it make sense if clouds were also biome based as well? Different biomes having different shaped clouds due to "atmosphere"

[pale urchin]

The transitions would look pretty weird

[silent zealot]

Having clouds in the deep dark might be nice as well since fog doesnt really animate

[pale urchin]

If we could make volumetric fog textured, that won't be a problem

[silent zealot]

Thinking maybe that clouds fade in and out when transitioning

[graceful iron]

Controlling cloud speed could be useful as well

If paired with molang to query weather that could also be cool

molang is a bit of a stretch tho

[silent zealot]

Unlikely to have molang support if we're talking about deferred rendering but in a #1067869590400544869 context that has a higher chance

[vague shoal]

How do I get volumetric point lights on iOS

[white willow]

They just utilize the fog

If there's low amounts of fog they won't be super visible

[vague shoal]

Hmm

Ok

Bro particles need to be fixed for deferred https://youtu.be/CIvOMqhHFS0?si=vV4rddAnCGrp2zWP

[silent zealot]

PBR in general needs to be tweaked for those that is supported(entities, items, blockd, particles)

[vague shoal]

Why hello Mr Smokey stack

[silent zealot]

https://vxtwitter.com/CordonFreeman/status/1812247374422573435?t=arcYSCVzmuiaozkXuFla2g&s=19

[pale urchin]

I've never seen anything like it before 👀

However I personally don't think it's aesthetically pleasing. It's trying to be both "blocky" and "puffy" at the same time.

[silent zealot]

Agreed, but thats the general gist of what i want with noise and volumetric clouds

[white willow]

Too bad this combo can be borderline unplayable. There's graphical issues like nobody's business

The MCRTX server has been flooded with "help game broken with BRTX and realism craft"

[vague shoal]

How come it looks okay in this video then

[white willow]

Before it updated is my guess

[vague shoal]

[white willow]

Current state of RTX and realism craft

[vague shoal]

Clouds look okay but WHAT HAPPENED TO THE LENS FLARE

[white willow]

This has been reported about 30 times or so now

[vague shoal]

Imagine spark universe fixes it

[white willow]

Here's another

[vague shoal]

Bros head got chopped off

[white willow]

This doesn't seem like a fix for their end. RTX is so finicky. I mean this world was never designed to work with RTX or deferred anyway. Any bugs with those graphics modes aren't really their problem

Nor are they mojangs

[vague shoal]

Buh

Who gonna fix them then

[white willow]

As I said, nobody has to fix them since they were never intended to be used with those modes

[vague shoal]

Maybe mojang will fix the particles

In deferred

For perhaps like future marketplace content

For deferred

What if they make modded maps on marketplace for deferred

[quasi trench]

big eddy do you have actions and stuff 1.0.3

[vague shoal]

Uhhhh

I forgor

[quasi trench]

noooooooooooo

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-homer-simpson-scream-nooo-no-gif-17534967

[vague shoal]

Why you need it

[quasi trench]

i want it

[white willow]

Then the devs of said map would make sure everything works as it should. Realism craft wasn't designed that way

[quasi trench]

im sold

deferred with actions and stuff

new minecraft age

[white willow]

I swear I'm the only person that doesn't like actions and stuff

[quasi trench]

i used to like not be interested but now

i am

[vague shoal]

Bro

What

[quasi trench]

it’ll get you soon

[white willow]

I cannot get behind the player animation. Or half the other animations

The only one that I've been like wow to is the ender dragon

That's the only one

[vague shoal]

[white willow]

I can acknowledge how monumentally impressive it is

But doesn't mean I like it

[white willow]

It's too far gone from Minecraft's style that's why I don't like it

It's like distant horizons on Java although I dislike that for a different reason.

[quasi trench]

hooooo

i need for prizma

[white willow]

I don't like DH cuz of file sizes and cpu overheads

[quasi trench]

fair enough

well hmmm

maybe the trailers kinda reciprocate it

but thats all yeah

[white willow]

The trailers are like that for a reason

It's meant to catch the eye

It looks wrong in gameplay

My gameplay shouldn't feel like a teaser trailer

[quasi trench]

well yeahhhhhhh

[white willow]

Sure animations can use upgrades but they should stay within the style

[vague shoal]

It kinda stays in the style

[white willow]

Dungeons was closer to normal Minecraft than this

[vague shoal]

I mean look at other the ultra realistic animation packs

[white willow]

I don't like them

There's one animation pack I've liked

One

It's called better animations collection on Java

[vague shoal]

Alr then

Gn

I’m going to bed

[white willow]

And it doesn't change every animation. Only a few

But those few it does change it genuinely love to see added. Wagging dog tails, pigs noses moved when they oinked, chickens opened their beaks when they made their noise, the way the squid tentacles moved was so fluid

I'll get a video at some point

[viscid moth]

you can't do ref on cauldron water 😔

[drowsy lantern]

Cube map?

[proud pike]

Yes.

[oak thicket]

Mojang should add screen space god rays for lower end devices

[drowsy lantern]

Day sky is like night sky
How you have different sky?

[quick beacon]

It's normal for the water fog to like be a little outside of the block right?

I kinda like it :>

[viscid moth]

bro wtf is that

i have never seen this

[quick beacon]

Those water blobs?

[viscid moth]

what? i thought it was clouds inverted💀

[quick beacon]

They're a thing I am trying to do to make ponds with infinite variation using features in world generation. This is using a template pack made by Ciosciaa. (off-topic but now you know)

[viscid moth]

interesting

[quick beacon]

Okay so these end gateway beams can have texture sets but not the beacon beam. I think they're both the same "beam"?

For context. I gave the beacon beam a bit of glow in texture sets.

[viscid moth]

it works for gateway beammm??

[viscid moth]

kinda

[unborn heart]

Did they add waves to water yet on deferred rendering?

[white willow]

Not yet

You can get simulated waves with a normal map on water though

[viscid moth]

only 11 days from 1 year anniversary of deferred which is 3rd of august and it was first released on version 1.20.30.20

damn time flies fast

[white willow]

It's come such a long way since then too

[viscid moth]

Yeah and I am really proud of what I've been able to do with this and the community

[true otter]

looks like we will not have deferred official release before gta 6 /:

[old stump]

I'm messing with deferred in mc preview and wondering what's the fastest way to edit the resource pack and refresh it in-game?

[white willow]

Leaving and rejoining

Only way to reset

[long ruin]

Onix client allows you to change global resources while in game

I wish that was a vanilla feature

I'm curious if it'll be considered a parity to Java since Java can do the same thing

[west badge]

Why are there small lines across the grass?

[pale urchin]

Shadow acne

[west badge]

So not something you can get rid of?

[pale urchin]

It can be rid of, but not without causing another problem, "peter panning".

[west badge]

What is that

[pale urchin]

It's when the shadow appears to be detached from what's casting it

[west badge]

Ah, ofcourse

[brave star]

now the question is, would you rather have that or what is above

[sonic canopy]

Both

[brave star]

lol how can you have both if one arises if you get rid of the other

[silent zealot]

Why?

[sonic canopy]

Gotta catch em all

[brave star]

lmao

[pale urchin]

There is a way to kinda hide peter panning while getting ride of shadow acne. It's called screen space contact shadows, but it's not an operation for everyone (low end devices)

[quasi trench]

i hope they get rid of both somehow

[hoary tendon]

Maybe a toggle to enable/disable this would be nice

[quick beacon]

#1182095383015456829 message

[sonic canopy]

Tan is just a real life AO equivalent

[proud pike]

IRL shader 2.2 update

[white willow]

pink nametags with deferred enabled

very weeird

[vague shoal]

Hmmmm I wonder who that is in those pics

[viscid moth]

it might be ussing the missting textre

[proud pike]

Regarding the new update dropping iphone 8 and below

[viscid moth]

Ngl I have this toxic thought where the lesser the device support the faster deferred come to stable

[proud pike]

I mean you're technically not wrong

If the pool of devices they need to optimize for is smaller, than yea, if they are similarly powerful enough then it would be less work

[graceful iron]

Pink and Black = No texture colors

I’d assume that’s probably why it looks like that, but idk

[viscid moth]

Evil genius

[safe urchin]

what server is that

[sonic canopy]

Shaderlabs

[white willow]

I'm not even sure how or why they would be that way. I mean lava overlay is also pink and red right now so

[vague shoal]

What is cubemap array support

[pale urchin]

Internal graphics stuff. Cubemaps are special textures that can be sampled with a 3d vector instead of normal UV coordinates

[white willow]

yeah, its not tied to the sky box stuff

or at least not in the same way as you think

[sonic canopy]

Btw there is a typo and they meant Metal instead of GLES

[silent zealot]

Thats a big typo

[proud pike]

Yeah, got to know

[pale urchin]

Direct 3D, Open GL ES, Metal, Vulkan, they all kinda just meld together after a while, you know? 🙂

[silent zealot]

I wouldnt know

[unreal venture]

They all do the same thing but different

[quasi trench]

Direct Metal GLES: Vulkan Edition

[proud pike]

officially, yes

we dont know. if i had to guess, its a year out atleast

if youre on PC then you can use BetterRenderDragon (an external game tool) to enable deferred rendering on normal minecraft. beware that the experience will be worse on normal mc and some features may not work whatsoever due to the normal minecraft versions not haveing the most upto date deferred build

you can get the latest version that supports 1.21+ in the YSS Discord

[sonic canopy]

Or in the actions tab

https://github.com/ddf8196/BetterRenderDragon/actions

[long ruin]

note you need to login to github to download it

[sonic canopy]

If only things like that were posted somewhere accessible where anyone can download them

[vague shoal]

Why does deferred keep crashing for me

https://tenor.com/view/crying-crying-meme-gif-26327776

[long ruin]

[graceful iron]

https://discord.gg/years-static-shader-group-738688684223889409

[proud pike]

already sent the invite in DMs

:p

[graceful iron]

bruh

[still zenith]

@sonic canopy Responding here since it's very "graphics-y". 🙂 We fixed ghosting by exploring the variance clipping described in this presentation from NVIDIA. https://developer.download.nvidia.com/gameworks/events/GDC2016/msalvi_temporal_supersampling.pdf

It really worked wonders in this case

[white willow]

100% the ghosting levels are honestly quite close to DLSS from my current testing

i need to work on this but gonna be very enjoyable to mess with

[vague shoal]

@white willow I found that song for my deferred trailer

[white willow]

lets go

[vague shoal]

After months of searching

[vague shoal]

Nice

[sonic canopy]

Oo that's smart, I thought it was done with depth rejection but this seems like a faster alternative

[quick beacon]

I wonder why the default "Depth" for sss is so large

[white willow]

the SSS values are also really sensitive

ok they arent super sensitive

still figuring things out

[quick beacon]

That looks wrong

Time to TGA all my blocks

[white willow]

its a bit funky with point lights but kinda works (this was stated so not expecting it to fully work)

gonna take a lot of playing around to get it down

[quick beacon]

entity pointlight shadows?

[white willow]

yep looks like it

[long ruin]

Oooh

[white willow]

literally dope af

we literally got a full 3 course meal today

[loud pilot]

is it updating at a lower framerate?

[long ruin]

Lol, reminds me of how VPL wasn't mentioned

[long ruin]

Looks like it

[quick beacon]

Yep

[loud pilot]

thought I was going crazy

cool stuff though

[long ruin]

Maybe there's a value you can increase like with the reflections to make it higher

[sonic canopy]

Huh what. Does it work in 3rd person?

[quick beacon]

mhm

[sonic canopy]

Very cool

[white willow]

nothing

[long ruin]

Bummer

Either way, still a very cool feature

[white willow]

what file would emissive desat be in

[quick beacon]

global.json

[loud pilot]

around the 4 second mark you can see it in third person

looks to be the same as in first person

[white willow]

do you know where its supposed to go?

[quick beacon]

editor gave it to me

[white willow]

oh

[sonic canopy]

I wonder if there is a way to refresh point light shadows near player more frequently

[quick beacon]

https://x.com/XxPoggyisLitxX/status/1819064948766425209 video here cuz discord

XxPoggyisLitxX (@XxPoggyisLitxX) on X

Point light entity shadows!!!

Twitter · Aug 1, 2024, 5:37 PM

[long ruin]

circles

[loud pilot]

seeing the round light is so jarring

[long ruin]

Lol yeah

[tribal trail]

i LOVE you for this

[long ruin]

My favorite preview by far

[white willow]

custom sss is gonna be so damn good

[long ruin]

Aside from when deferred was originally released

[tribal trail]

entity shadows are better

i'm crying now

[proud pike]

Very cool

[white willow]

unfortunate it doesnt work on full blocks

improved the log SSS further and man it looks good

[tribal trail]

i don't care

the only thing that matters to me is that the entity and the player have shadows

🥹

[sonic canopy]

So to clarify, none of the point light blocks can cast shadows, even when they're illuminated by other point lights?

[sonic canopy]

And 2 lanterns don't cast shadows from each other either?

the yellow lanterns I mean

[sonic canopy]

Alright yeah that checks out, very neat

[quick beacon]

entity inside does have a shadow

[still zenith]

Correct. That's the tradeoff. :/

[quick beacon]

I don't mind it at all :P

[loud pilot]

not a terrible tradeoff

[still zenith]

How would you feel about that tradeoff if full blocks were allowed to be point lights?

[white willow]

well i was just about to ask about point light shadows on full blocks

[still zenith]

It's not so bad with a torch or a lantern, but a campfire starts to get large enough that you'd want it to cast shadows

And full blocks would be even more jarring if they were missing shadows

[tribal trail]

itb it's fine for me

[still zenith]

This is our conundrum on this topic 🙂

[white willow]

they used to "cast" shadows but it never left the inside of the block

would be nice to have at least the old shadows with them but its not entirely necessary

[still zenith]

Yep. And now that we've isolated the emitter geometry, it wouldn't occlude the light in that way. But, it wouldn't cast shadows in that case either.

[white willow]

i see

[sonic canopy]

That's probably the better option, since the alternatives are self shadowing or no shadows at all

[long ruin]

Would it be better if full blocks used flood fill colored lighting?

Like you see in Photon shaders for Java

[white willow]

yk that wouldnt be a bad idea

[tribal trail]

but shadows from pointlights on full blocks

[white willow]

throw in some fog lpv volumes

something like this would be dope

[long ruin]

Yeah

[long ruin]

That would be nice

[tribal trail]

but flood fill colored lighting = no pointlights = no shadows

[long ruin]

[white willow]

would be a good alternative for stuff like lava which is too performance hungry with pointlights

[sonic canopy]

Are the docs for emissive desaturation out yet?

[white willow]

havent found them in the deferred docs

[pale urchin]

Yeah the tradeoff wouldn't be so bad if full blocks used some global illumination technique to light the place

[long ruin]

Wouldn't that have to be screen space?

[white willow]

better than nothing

[sonic canopy]

Crytek LPV technique is the goat

[long ruin]

True

[white willow]

im already noticing emissive desat though and emissives look much better

[long ruin]

I would like to see GI in deferred sometime

[white willow]

its not super strong but its nice

[still zenith]

There seems to be a mixup with a couple of our updates. I'll post the details here in the meantime.

Emissive desaturation is controlled in lighting/global.json. Add this property as the last object in your root object.

"emissive": {
"desaturation": 0.1
}

The "emissive" object allows for some control over how emissive light sources behave. These parameters can be especially useful for fine-tuning emissive light sources for certain types of tone mapping.

"desaturation" a factor from [0-1] that controls how much the albedo of a given pixel is desaturated when computing the color of emissive light. A value of 0 results in no desaturation, while a value of 1 results in full desaturation of the albedo color.

[white willow]

so, this will eventually contain brightness 😮

[still zenith]

The Editor makes it easy to figure out the new format by using the export to clipboard option.

Also, if you made use of highlight and/or shadow color grading, you will now need an explicit enabled field for each in your JSON. Those docs will be added eventually (sorry about that), but the Editor can help you there as well.

[white willow]

0.5 desaturation. pretty cool

[sonic canopy]

Ok I have really really bad news, we lost access to shader source code

[long ruin]

[pale urchin]

Huh?

[silent zealot]

First PDB now Shader. Bad year for Veka

[sonic canopy]

I'll write up a message explaining in details why this is bad, not only for shader devs but also for hobbyist and marketplace add-on developers

[vague shoal]

Huh?

[pale urchin]

How does this affect marketplace devs?

[sonic canopy]

Essl 310 is now optimized (basically obfuscated)

[vague shoal]

No more render dragon shaders like yss?

[graceful iron]

Wdym?

[quick beacon]

WHAT??? :(

[long ruin]

r.i.p

[graceful iron]

Like the mat files????

[long ruin]

[pale urchin]

They're still there. They're just a LOT harder to read apparently

[graceful iron]

damn

[pale urchin]

Welp, I should've seen this coming

[graceful iron]

I’d assume that’s going to bring BetterRD to its knees for a sec

[long ruin]

imagine they gave us all these new deferred stuff to soften the blow of this /j

[pale urchin]

Good news is that at some point they won't be updating it as frequently, so you could just reverse engineer it once and seldom ever again I guess

[vague shoal]

Eh I don’t really care much cause I can’t even get shaders in the first place

[long ruin]

im still grateful we even have deferred in the first place though

[pale urchin]

Still have to think about how to move forward with this in the modded shader scene

[sonic canopy]

Ik some add-on developers including me were using shader source for reference on how rendering works, without access to it, developing certain effects would've taken much longer, as we would've had to either deobfuscate it or try out a bunch of material combinations which takes a lot of time

[graceful iron]

How will this effect special shaders that use BetterRD like YSS SE and that on BSBE shader

[sonic canopy]

RIP

Shader development becomes 1000% times harder

[long ruin]

[graceful iron]

NOOOOOO

[pale urchin]

Shaders that don't rely on deferred should be fine technically

How often do Mojang update those?

[long ruin]

knock on wood

[vague shoal]

Rip yss shader

[sonic canopy]

Unless they update them

[pale urchin]

Yeah, unless

[proud pike]

Rip

I guess shaders are gonna have a slow decline now

Maybe we'll find a way but that's up to ender and ddf

[sonic canopy]

@still zenith it appears that latest preview enabled optimization for ESSL_310 materials on Android, which makes it so that we can no longer get any coherent shader source code from materials, since they are now effectively obfuscated. I was maintaining a repository of shader source code for every version, that was auto generated from Android materials https://github.com/veka0/mcbe-shader-codebase. This repository was used by shader developers as a reference or a starting point, but it was also used by hobbyist and marketplace add-on creators that work with material based effects as a reference for how rendering is implemented internally. Besides shader development, I personally often use this source code as a reference in my work as a marketplace developer, and I know some other people who use(d?) it as well @rotund widget @jagged badge Current source code is sufficient for using as a reference, but eventually it will become outdated, and won't include latest rendering features, so it's only a matter of time before we completely loose this incredibly useful resource. I understand that optimization is ultimately a good thing that benefits the players, however I also think that there is a potential compromise that can be achieved, which would also benefit hobbyist or professional creators and shader development community. Perhaps Mojang can host their own shader source code? Or materials can include un-optimized shaders or source code? Either way, we are open for a conversation, I do believe that there is a solution which we can reach in regards to this problem.

[still zenith]

I will take your feedback to the larger team for discussion. Thank you for your input.

Documentation on the Creator portal should now include emissive desaturation, color grading toggles and key frame updates for sun color/illuminance. 🙏

[white willow]

sick

wow... you guys killed it with the upscaling updates. ghosting is completely gone. glass used to ghost really bad in large quantities and its just gone (ignore the kinda poor performance, this map is insane on the performance)\

[pale urchin]

BTW, how does it look in third person front while you turn your head?

[white willow]

good question

i havent noticed any entity ghosting either

[pale urchin]

I have a low res display, so it looks pretty bad for me

[pale urchin]

Front

[white willow]

front is still a little funky

but overall a lot better

[pale urchin]

Ah yeah that's the funk

Wonder if it's a motion vector issue

[white willow]

looks like it to me. kinda like PTGI with iris how everything is kinda fuzzy

since iris has no motion vectors

[pale urchin]

Does PTGI use some sort of upscaler or temporal antialiasing

[white willow]

yea. it uses half resolution rendering

with temporal anti aliasing

[loud pilot]

iris missing a graphics feature?

I thought they were pushing further than Optifine

[white willow]

yeah. idk why IMS hasnt implemented motion vectors

to my understanding its a pain

but iris at its core has more features for shader devs than optifine anyway

[pale urchin]

All that without motion vectors? Wow

[loud pilot]

so it's just one unfortunate missing feature

[quick beacon]

I'll check the graphic stuff later. Super invested in the new add-on stuff.

[white willow]

optifine has motion vectors and it has very little issues when ran on optifine

but on iris its a mess. and the performance is also sliced in half on iris when running PTGI, im not sure why that is though

vines with SSS is so good

[sonic canopy]

It might be possible to make an advanced decompiler that will reduce the problem of deobfuscating up to hundreds of individual shaders per material to only a single fragment, vertex or compute shader (so basically auto generate macros), but this is very very difficult to do and there is no guarantees that it will work properly with their optimization technique, and you will still have to deobfuscate the final shader manually. This is actually what I was planning to implement originally in lazurite, but then we got plain text source code with ESSL 310 and I was able to get by with a much simpler decompiler for restoring macros.

[white willow]

this is where rough ssr would be super nice to have

[tribal trail]

that the

[proud pike]

I see

Has anyone tried SSS on vines yet?

[white willow]

yes

[white willow]

@proud pike

[proud pike]

Do ya have sss on vines in this ss?

Ah

:p

[white willow]

yea

[proud pike]

Yeah had to look closely

[proud pike]

Nice

How customisable is this SSS implementation

[white willow]

very

[proud pike]

Like is it just the intensity?

[tribal trail]

yes

[white willow]

you can draw it out just like any other form of pbr

[quick beacon]

^

[tribal trail]

this

[proud pike]

Ah i see

Nice

Yall gotta cook with this one

[quick beacon]

After le pog messed around with the awesome Add-On stuff, I'll try.

[proud pike]

[white willow]

added some soft sss to mangrove roots

[proud pike]

Looks great

[proud pike]

Shame the shading on the right most roots is a bit out of place

Deferred only has Vanilla AO right?

[white willow]

as of now yea

[proud pike]

Hmm

[pale urchin]

Sponge looks spongier

[tribal trail]

yes

sad

but it is what it is

[proud pike]

[proud pike]

Very icey ice

[white willow]

idk how well normal ice will handle it

cuz semi transparent objects have always been weird

[proud pike]

Give it a shot

:)

[white willow]

i cant tell if it does anything

SSS also doesn't work on water (idk why I though it would but doesn't hurt to try

[sonic canopy]

😔 #1263160274265964546 message

[pale urchin]

They did say that SSS on point lights doesn't work well right now

[tribal trail]

ooh

[white willow]

oh i meant to put these in showcase

[quasi trench]

deferred in 1440p

:doggysmurkW:

[amber whale]

what does sss do?

[white willow]

best way to explain it

this image also doesnt do too bad

[silent zealot]

lol

[amber whale]

i get it now thx i just checked it out on preview and it looks sick

[tribal trail]

I wish this bug didn't exist

[quasi trench]

very sadge

[long ruin]

looks like a spotlight

[white willow]

ok so i havent seen anyone talk about this

SSR works on entities

[long ruin]

I saw that on zombies, I forgot to mention it

I wonder if it could work on players

[pale urchin]

You would need to be able to apply a PBR texture to the player somehow

[long ruin]

Ah

[white willow]

idk i just figured entities were excluded so i never thought to test

i thought SSR was blocks only

[pale urchin]

As long as it's an opaque surface, it's automatically supported

[white willow]

welp we have shiny turtle shells

[pale urchin]

Hey, do you mind sending a pack with the fixed sky?

[pale urchin]

Thanks

[white willow]

it also has some SSS stuff

[pale urchin]

Great

[white willow]

i already forgot what i did but its some logs, all leaves, grass, tall grass and sand i think

oh packed ice

[pale urchin]

I find it weird that logs have SSS given how comparitevely dense they are, but I won't judge

[white willow]

ive seen it done in a few java packs and it looked cool

its really soft SSS though

and only on the edges

i may remove it. depends on feedback

[tribal trail]

sss is amazing

[white willow]

yea

its such a good addition

[tribal trail]

deferred looks really good now

[white willow]

yea

they cooking

the new shadows are crazy too

[viscid moth]

is there documentation for sss

i haven't been able to find them

[white willow]

it uses the alpha channel

[viscid moth]

i mean like more in depth

[white willow]

idk

[pale urchin]

What else do you want to know how to use it?

[white willow]

but its basically like drawing out MER for anything else

[pale urchin]

Also Quirky, have you seen the beacon?

[white willow]

no

[pale urchin]

Should probably take a look

[viscid moth]

i mean like i just want to know
they said there will be new documents

[white willow]

it doesnt have pbr yet so if something is weird that may be why

[pale urchin]

I can't see the beacon block itself

The beam is there but not the block

[pale urchin]

Must be my end then

Weird

[white willow]

most likely

[pale urchin]

BTW, have you tried adding SSS to particles?

Like the campfire?

[white willow]

not yet

but im sure it looks amazing

this looks GOOD

lemme test particles

[pale urchin]

One more thing. It seems that the particles for campfire are different when you place a haybale under it

It's glowing when I do that

[white willow]

wha

interesting

it looks like SSS doesnt work on particles

[white willow]

that is so weird. im not sure whats causing this

[pale urchin]

#1182095383015456829 message
They should look into making it so that the geometric normal prevents normal maps from receiving lights it shouldn't.

[white willow]

yea

light from full blocks like that also goes through things

[pale urchin]

That's kind of a separate issue

[white willow]

full blocks in general have a lot of jank that needs to be fixed for sure

[tribal trail]

for me it's normal

[white willow]

yeah

idk why its doing that

[sonic canopy]

It's a different particle type, that has a longer lifetime afaik, maybe RP creator forgot to update their material

[white willow]

idk what id need to change to fix the glowing particles

or where

[sonic canopy]

Probably particle material, either particles_alpha or particles_blend

Or possibly adding or removing particle appearance lighting component

[viscid moth]

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/minecraft/creator/documents/deferredlighting/subsurfacescatteringcustomization?view=minecraft-bedrock-stable&tabs=SubSurfaceScatteringOFF

[silent zealot]

Should I open a new post in #1182087588555792395 with links to each deferred rendering article since they split it up?

[viscid moth]

yes

[quick beacon]

Is this too much for people to do?

[tribal trail]

yes

[silent zealot]

Ok Poggy, without clicking on all those links, tell me what each article contains

[quick beacon]

They contain Info and guides of each topic?

I'm all for making it easier for people, so making a post will help.

[silent zealot]

Theyre not specific or really gice us a preview what is in those article

[quick beacon]

Hmm, fair enough.

[silent zealot]

Oh they fixed the keyframe offset

[quick beacon]

keyframe below 0.5 == "old_keyframe" + 0.5 = new keyframe
keyframe above 0.5 == "old_keyframe" - 0.5 = new keyframe

[viscid moth]

this is the biggest w fix this update gotten after shadow strips

[silent zealot]

I can do math yes

Time for python

[white willow]

So wait does this match the keyframes used in the atmospherics.json now

[quick beacon]

yes

[white willow]

Alright then makes tracking it all easier

Idk how I didn't realize that

[white willow]

I've seen a few people talk about water reflection being messed up. It looks tied to android devices (not only Mali this time) Android may have broken a little

The best way to describe it is like, the colors are inverted idk

[sonic canopy]

I've heard a rumor that water now can cast a colored shadow

[pale urchin]

Who said it's just a rumor?#1215006221103272006 message

[white willow]

Interesting perhaps glass tinting soon 👀

I tested glass with fixed transparency as well which also didn't work

[pale urchin]

This is most likely a consequence of the water light absorption you see on the surface

You don't need to directly look at the water surface for it apparently

[sonic canopy]

This is not part of the fog tho, as it has precise and crisp edges. Those edges are way too crisp for it to be a colored shadow map either, so that's quite interesting

[pale urchin]

That will need a different, irrelevant approach to make work. But I still hope for it

[white willow]

So... a bug that looks cool?

Of its intentional who knows

Actually could just be a part of the water lighting rework

[white willow]

That's uh

A little messed up

[viscid moth]

huh

[white willow]

What the heck

Also L A G

[quick beacon]

what am I supposed to look at?

[white willow]

The candle just changed color

When lit

[viscid moth]

nvm it's bc candle have two dif textures
lit one and non lit one
i used white texture for non lit black candle lmao

it's like magic

[white willow]

Oh 💀

[viscid moth]

lol

also candle pbr doesn't work right?

[sonic canopy]

Ah ok so it is part of the fog then, neat

[white willow]

Don't thinks so

[viscid moth]

yeah just tested it 😥

[drowsy lantern]

Noon is darker than midnight in mail gpu now

[silent zealot]

Did you update your config files?

[quick beacon]

This is a pack error since keyframes in old packs are now wrong. Make sure the pack you're using is updated to support the changes made in this week's preview.

[drowsy lantern]

I download last version of pack and fix this problem

Why upscaling is looks like this after update?

[white willow]

What? They literally updated upscaling lmao

[drowsy lantern]

Mail gpu have a little bug in new version but looks very better than old versions

When i look at the sand game looks daker than when i look at the sky
Is this bug?

[pale urchin]

I believe that's just auto exposure

[white willow]

Looks like auto exposure

[sonic canopy]

This is auto exposure, sand looks bright while the sky doesn't, probably because you have very little Rayleigh scattering

[quick beacon]

I do have that yes.

If I increase it more every block will reflect the sky and give off a blue hue.

Example.

[sonic canopy]

Nvm there is a separate low res shadowmap for water

[long ruin]

I've definitely noticed an increase of performance on Android

Now it's actually somewhat playable on the Adreno 650

And I'm using a Snapdragon 865

[amber whale]

why do my shadows shake like that (Xbox Series X)

the pack is luminous dreams 5.3

specially leaves

ive seen them shaky but not this much

is it supposed to be like this?

[white willow]

This is normal. Increasing shadow quality reduces the visibility of this issue

But of course that comes at a performance cost

[amber whale]

the thing is in other xboxs i didnt see them this shaky

[white willow]

They might've had settings up higher. This is most commonly an issue with shadow quality set to low or medium. High and ultra look much more stable

[silent zealot]

Just to clarify again:

Removed an incorrect offset when interpolating keyframe values for the sun illuminance and sun color. Keyframe values for sun illuminance and sun color are now consistent with other time-based keyframe values. Creators will need to shift any sun illuminance and color keyframes by 0.5. Documentation on the Creator portal has been updated accordingly
This only affects global.json right?

[white willow]

Yes

It makes the global json now match the settings for the atmospherics json

[still zenith]

Yes, and only the sun's properties, not the moon's.

[tribal trail]

😭

[tribal trail]

this is lovely

I'm glad the moon stayed the way it is

[white willow]

Wait what. I changed my moon key frames.... so that's why it's wrong

[silent zealot]

Genuinely curious how this mismatch even occurred in thw first place. Thankfully its fixed now and the MS docs ref image is correct

[tribal trail]

😂

[white willow]

Welp now I gotta revert my moon changes

[tribal trail]

I love how acoustic you are

[white willow]

Apparently I didn't read

[still zenith]

Sorry about that. It was an unintentional bit of code that has gone unnoticed (by us on graphics) for almost a year now.

[tribal trail]

reading skills is the friends we made along the way

[tribal trail]

please don't change that 🥹

sorry for ping

[white willow]

It's what defines me ☺️

[silent zealot]

I think yall should change from using 0-1 to use the ingame time. 0-24000

[white willow]

Welp at least now I know why my moon stuff is all wacky 😅

[still zenith]

I can take that proposal to the larger design group. Any particular reason that I can note?

[white willow]

In general using a 24 hour system is easier to read and allows for more precise adjustments and also knowing exactly what time of day is being modified

[tribal trail]

I hate when something change because then my whole pack doesn't work 🥲

and mcpedl is slower than my brain

[white willow]

I find myself sitting here sometimes like, wait what's 1.0 supposed to represent, or 0.25

[white willow]

Especially if you update on a weekend

Then your waiting till Monday

[tribal trail]

I mean, I hate it for that reason but at the same time you add things that make me want to cry (happiness)

[silent zealot]

Its just a personal reference since i can match the exact time from the wiki instead of doing math. Though I see a use for 0-1 as it is consistent with Molang and entity filters

[still zenith]

I can imagine. I'm sorry. We're working on adding proper versioning to the Deferred files, but you may experience 1 more breaking change before that happens. I apologize in advance.

[tribal trail]

YES!!!

and then people come and ask "why prizma doesn't work, do smoething!"

[silent zealot]

I very much expect lots of breaking changes until we see an announcement deferred will no longer be locked to preview only

[tribal trail]

so in conclusion

people are the problem

[white willow]

Or we update like with the SSS and they complain about missing textures and it's like... we'll see, you didn't update your game

[still zenith]

Gotta earn that "experimental+preview" status. Amirite? 🤣

[tribal trail]

people can't read 🤠

[white willow]

Yup

I'm one of them

Apparently

[silent zealot]

Competing with the editor team is a bold choice only to end up working together and having the editor team integrate deferred values editing. Which btw, was that editor's plan or did you(graphics team) request?

[white willow]

Editor integration is great but I have ONE gripe

[tribal trail]

me too, I'm just joking

I like what's happening with deferred

[white willow]

The code we get is so poorly written. I had to spend like 15 minutes refactoring it to be easily readable 😭

[tribal trail]

I can create the best deferred pack (subjectively ofc, although in terms of normalmaps it is the best, because no one has done it yet) 😎

[silent zealot]

I would love to see one day real time pbr editing so you can see the effect take changes without rejoining. Though that's more of a general RP issue and disparity from Java

[white willow]

THIS! I also want real time fog editing

[still zenith]

No competition here, we're all working towards the same goal. 🙂 That integration was planned for quite a long time (months). We heard the feedback from the community that editing Deferred settings was tedious in the old workflow, so we all got together and figured out a solution.

[tribal trail]

tbh I don't mind rejoining

although sometimes I rejoin 60 times for one texture

[white willow]

I do when my game just crashes on me when I do it sometimes