⌨coders-cave

[errant trail]

and my code hates me

[orchid frigate]

ah yes my favourite status

200

[errant trail]

200

[next lotus]

is that js

and

replit

[errant trail]

yes

[next lotus]

sorry we cant help

[errant trail]

my fingers are not capable of typing npm -y

[next lotus]

this channels is only for compiled languages :)))

[errant trail]

no

[next lotus]

sir what you're doing is called

scripting sir

its uh

interpreted

[orchid frigate]

C# isnt compiled either tho

Its interpreted

[errant trail]

[next lotus]

no

its compiled

how dare u

its compiled to IL

so its compiled

[orchid frigate]

but

its compiled to a virtual machine language

and then its ran on the interpreter

=> its interpreted

while C

is compiled

to normal .o machine language

=> compiled

imo

also so funny story right

yesterday I was coding until 4 am

and today when I woke up I looked at my code

and realised

I designed my structures to... act like global const variables

so now guess who has to rewrite 100 lines of code

now that I think about it I designed every structure this way

well its time to restart

[errant trail]

ok

[feral bison]

I have an idea. So I’m sure we all know that when you get farther into a good game of Wold Box your people become more civilized and build better houses, boats, etc. and there is a limit on how far they can become civilized. So what if (this might be a lot of coding, sorry) y’all made it to where they can become modern day people and not just ancient people. That was probably confusing but I hope y’all understood and I will answer any questions y’all have about this idea.

[hollow bronze]

its the wrong chat, but there is no need to be rude about it

[hollow bronze]

#🔧modding-talk is if you're asking for someone to mod the game to add that
#💡game-suggestions if you're wanting to suggest stuff to the developers (fair warning they've specifically stated they have no plans to create any sort of modern system like you've just said, so it'd be wasted effort)

this channel is for programming/coding topics (in general, only excludes worldbox discussion). Worldbox has its own dedicated channel for its programming/modding stuff (the modding-talk channel I just linked)

[feral bison]

Oh my bad thank you

[feral bison]

Also it says it’s read only

[hollow bronze]

there is a modern mod somewhere I think as well, but uh #🔧modding-talk should be open to anyone, #🔧mods are for modders to post

[feral bison]

Oh ok thank you so much

[main brook]

read the channel topic

use ~vote

[worthy smelt]

A^2 + B^2 = C^2

[errant trail]

wow very smart

[hollow bronze]

that doesnt do anything anymore

suggestions has its own site

[barren shale]

circle be like

[zealous pivot]

me, when u are starting to learn coding and being very basic= trying to understand the chat
me also= wait what

[orchid frigate]

This chat

Is complex because

Always half the people are arguing about languages

The other half are trying to fix a simple problem

For 5 fucking days

[zealous pivot]

oh lol

[orchid frigate]

Because a message is sent every 8 hours or so

[zealous pivot]

oh ok

my brain is smal

[orchid frigate]

What language are you learning

[zealous pivot]

my teacher teach me with replit.com

[orchid frigate]

Whats that

[zealous pivot]

idk i think phyton?

[hoary hound]

#⌨coders-cave cave bingo:

• Hamza and Panda arguing
• People trying to convince you the language they know is the best one in the world and the rest is shit
• People asking for worldbox mods
• Actual coding discussion??? (impossible)

[orchid frigate]

Bruh this is too accurate

[zealous pivot]

lol

[orchid frigate]

By ThE WaY GuYs I OnLy KnoW ThIs LaNguAge sO itS EaSeLy ThE bEsT

God I fucking hate that

Anyway well as always if you have any questions ask them here and you might get an answer @zealous pivot

Or maybe not

Depends if anyone decides to look at this chat

[zealous pivot]

oh ok

[zealous pivot]

lol

[orchid frigate]

I might not be the best help for python stuff as I never learned it but I will still try

[hoary hound]

If you need a hand with python feel free to ask

Don't expect the best advice as I'm self taught but I'm always happy to help

[orchid frigate]

How could this chat be so welcoming yet so

Garbage

At the same time

That means that probably you are doing projects that either dont interest you as much or

Dont challange you

I suggest if you wanna work on a project for long

You start a project that challanges you

Alot

Like alot alot

Thats how I have been working on the same project for probably an year now

[hoary hound]

it's usually not recommended to start with ambitious projects, as you may never be able to finish them

you might be experiencing the "shiny object syndrome", defined as:
"Shiny object syndrome is the situation where people focus all attention on something that is new, current or trendy, yet drop this as soon as something new takes its place."

I had to deal with this problem a lot

tl;dr you hype yourself over a new project, do like 1/4 or half, get bored and start something new that looks more interesting

and the cycle repeats

[next lotus]

forget it, you'll code it for 30mins and leave it anyways

[barren shale]

bro that's you

[next lotus]

he knows assembly

[safe prawn]

So I learn a language, well at least the basic stuff, what projects do you usually do with that? Do you just go on and make a website or something?

[next lotus]

everyone starts because they wanna do something

either they wanna make a game, website etc.

you need a reason to start else youll end up wasting your time

[safe prawn]

makes sense

[safe prawn]

how about you? what are you workin on or wanna do?

[orchid frigate]

I respect all languages equally

Unlike you

Who cant figure out that each language was made with a certain purpose

[next lotus]

everything

im working on anything

atm im playing with machine learning with stylegan2

[orchid frigate]

Press X do doubt

[crimson geode]

!level

-level

[main brook]

Sorry! our system detected no sign of intelligence in this user, we thought it was a bot, maybe contact our customer service in #🤖bot-commands!

[next lotus]

anything

i meant im working on anything

that means im working on nothing at the same time

[orchid frigate]

What

[next lotus]

understand it

:)

[orchid frigate]

Oh

[barren leaf]

https://tenor.com/view/an-emoji-disintegrating-in-pain-gif-22507163

[pure void]

I just wanna make money. I’ve been struggling my entire life, and I’m trying to support my family, I already have coding experience, so I’m giving myself a jumpstart

I love coding though, I’ve been doing it for months now and have never gotten tired of it.

[night vortex]

~traitsditor

~traiteditor

[main brook]

Sorry! our system detected no sign of intelligence in this user, we thought it was a bot, maybe contact our customer service in #🤖bot-commands!

reminds me

@orchid frigate

how hard is rust

[night vortex]

Im not a bot btw

Im just stupid

[pure void]

Yes, the message was calling you stupid

[night vortex]

Lol

[next lotus]

do you have a college degree tho

if not then you can pretty much make money anyways

[pale geyser]

Stop

[barren shale]

not hard

just annoying

it only allows you to do best practices

that's why its fast and secure

it doesnt compile if you fuck up

[orchid frigate]

In my opinion

Extremely difficult

More difficult than C

And any of the C languages

Everything is difficult from creating a customised building environment to making simple code

But atleast the crate system is good

And the language is pretty good in general

Its also so much different than any other language

Meaning any habits you have from previous languages like keeping global mutable variables are bad

You can keep global mutable variables tho its just not advised and really annoying

[wet girder]

Once again I was saved by an indian mans youtube channel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyFgB878pOI

[mint magnet]

Alright

I have this school assignment

Can someone PLEASE EXPLAIN HOW THIS CODE

i DONT HAVE IMAGE PERMS

Wait let me try something

ok I killed the terminal and it seemed to be fixed

[hollow bronze]

well you can put like a prefix variable on the weapon class itself

lots of different ways to set it up though

really just whichever system you want

[hollow bronze]

prefix in this context just means "demonic" or whatever that goes before the name of your weapon

"demonic" sword

if you store it somewhere like on the weapon, and its trying to calc damage you could read its prefix to calc what it needs to do

this is one way of doing it anyways

so if its a variable attached to the weapon

name = weapon.prefix + " " + weapon.type;

there is another probably preferred way to add a space between the two variables, but i cant remember the exact syntax while typing into discord

$("{weapon.prefix} {weapon.type}") or whatever i cant remember off the top of my head

again lots of different ways, so you can try to solve the problem with your own ways as well (even if they're not the most ideal its about the fun of problem solving)

being organized is useful

saves you time scrolling and trying to remember and understand what your code is doing

also if others try using your code like if you're in a team, its important so that the others can understand what your code is doing as well

I've done best by starting out organized and trying to stick to a format and system that way I dont have loads of messy code to shovel through and make look nice once its starts to become bad and haunting to look at

so for things like nested if stuff, you probably just want to do what is the least messy for organization sake

without spending 18 forevers on it unless you need to, just time management there

[main brook]

i think its better to have like

weapon.enchantment

and the enchantment itself is a class that doesn't actually override the data of the sword

but adds them

and to calculate damage they can

weapon.damage + weapon.enchantment.damage if weapon.enchantment

basically just add the enchantment damage to the weapon

this way you can have more enchantments

and not lose your original weapon stats

unless you wanna make it irreversible

[hollow bronze]

Same principal different words I believe

[tidal elbow]

yummy

hate that we have to patch packages cuz of this stupid ecosystem

[main brook]

yes and technique

instead of just checking a string if it has a prefix and parse it

[barren shale]

javacringe

[hollow bronze]

ah I guess I didn't write the class stuff (I thought I did), but a class is what I'd do.

just need it accessible and then add it in

all of that comes down to a user's preference in organization and workflow I think

the ways I think for myself would be similar to worldbox in a library

and info associated with a particular item as a class

(this is what worldbox does for its weapons)

but something as simple as a string thats set directly on it would work

[next lotus]

java more like handicapped c#

[orchid frigate]

c# is literally just a copycat of c++ made into a high level language with a brand on it too

but noone says that

[barren shale]

has way more features than c++ but okay

[cloud solar]

c# the best

only c#

deal with it

how to change color of the letters in cmd?

nvm it was COLOR 2

[orchid frigate]

Doesn't stop it from being a copycat

[orchid frigate]

At what

At fucking what

Maybe at two things but is it good for graphics APIs? No it's shit and I know because I have tried it

Kernels? NO

Its interpreted

Meaning its hell to set up

And it's shit

Its like forcing a language to be something it isnt

The closest thing we have to a multi purpose language is rust

You deal with it

[orchid frigate]

Once again I have tried it

[cloud solar]

i think u forgot you talking to a game developer

[orchid frigate]

I don't care a game developer or whatever you made a statement a language is universally the best

I break down why you are wrong

You know what y'all wont stop until I show you just how fucking annoying it is to be reminded which language is the best

So fuck it

Rust is the best language

Deal with it

[uneven jacinth]

Calling a single language the best is kind of ridiculous…

[cloud solar]

someone wanna stream?

[orchid frigate]

I can do it if you want

Im doing some boring stuff rn so

[cloud solar]

nvm, i already finished

here is what i did

new robot for the game i am working on

[hasty bane]

i have embraced the f# meme

literally c#

but has functions

its great

i love it

[uneven jacinth]

Honestly I love just about any language that supports both functional and OOP

[next lotus]

lmfao alright why dont you try reflection with c++

[orchid frigate]

I don't even know what that is

[main brook]

a class or an enum

if enchantments can have like

different stats

randomly

then go for class

if its static just use enums

i would subclass a mixin

so i can just change their values

like the enchantment name

or blah blah

[main brook]

i said static

are those static

and not generated?

....

[next lotus]

only high level can understand :))

suppose you a lot of classes that inherits an interface, now on your project's lifetime you create more and more classes that inherits that interface

and on the same time you need to initialize all of them, in C# we can create instances of those classes without having to explicitly put them in an collection, so you wont have to update your collection whenever you create a new class that inherits the interface all you have to do is get those via reflection and initialize them on the go

not only that we can do a lot of other things as well like getting all functions of a class, put them in a collection, run all of them at the same time, or lets say get all functions whos function name starts contains 'a' idk man its just useful af

[knotty root]

where i am

[orchid frigate]

Whats an interface in c#

[next lotus]

its like abstract, basically a blueprint of a class

but

WHY TF DOES JAVA string.split() REQUIRE REGEX???????????????????

[sudden pawn]

Does world box copyright their sprites

I was gonna develop a kind of fan game based on woorld war 1

Also what engine is WorldBox made on

[distant wraith]

https://www.superworldbox.com/faq#what-language-is-super-worldbox-coded-in

[orchid frigate]

Ah I remember abstract things in c#

I loved them

[hoary hound]

[uneven jacinth]

Man I gotta start using c# and cpp

[cloud solar]

c# is cool

like really cool

[uneven jacinth]

I just haven’t had an opportunity to use it yet because my coursework is so focused on Java and C

And C’s just a bitch to learn so I’m constantly having to use it on the side to make sure I know enough to focus more on class concepts with my assignments as opposed to stopping the seg faults

[main brook]

that's basically

just a class

empty one

actually for abstract you may or may not require to override

and throw an exception

when trying to call the method

[uneven jacinth]

Assuming they’re essentially the same as Java interfaces, they’re like C header files, but for classes that implement it

[orchid frigate]

Why C has been pretty easy to learn for me because of how little features there are

Compared to something like c# which has every fucking feature in existence C seems quite simple

[uneven jacinth]

I was started on Java so it was just a bit of an adjustment

[cloud solar]

Unity better than unreal engine

For indie game dev

Deal with it

[barren shale]

Interface is like a blueprint that you can use in a class

Abstract class is a class that can only be used as a base for another class

[next lotus]

its basically deriving classes

[hearty sandal]

hi

[plush bridge]

what can you do with C

[next lotus]

ngl that question is not smart

you can do everything with any language

[next lotus]

any language can do anything

but C# does it the best :)))

[hollow bronze]

I like the neat things people post here, but im gonna have to like block like most of the people here to see those

[lapis flint]

Js, ok

[hoary hound]

real

[twilit cliff]

Кто руский

[crimson pelican]

Thank you for saying this

The language war can end now

[next lotus]

js has weak types, C# can have both weak and strong at the same time :)

my doing object something = "a string"; object anInt = 45; xDDD

fighting over programming languages are what coding channels are for lol

i mean, what the hell are we supposed to talk about

we all do

every next month that abysmal crap of a language will get a new framework

[lapis flint]

This is still strict type

Same string and int, just casted to object

[next lotus]

oh..yeah :(

but strict is still better than weak

yes

why just

replit can compile like every language know to man

[orchid frigate]

C is a very old language

So its main intention was probably kernel development

And its kinda build for that too

Like its so much better for kernels than anything I have tried because of how simple it is without its std

But other than that most really low level libraries and stuff are in C

For instance most graphics APIs are in C

Like vulkan and opengl

And also dynamic memory management is in C and pretty much anything low level you could want

Other than the assembly stuff like registers and instructions

For those just write assembly and link it to the C file its easier

[cloud solar]

No

[wet girder]

:)

[next lotus]

everyone:

hail C#

[wet girder]

But to me it seems dumb to call some language better than others. I chance languages to whatever suits my needs at the time most

Atm I'm using, JS with jQuery and bootstrap and just pure js, html, asp.net, discord.js, tSQL and probably more that I can't name off the top of my head

[cloud solar]

But u should agree that lua is trash

Deal with it

If u agree with me on that one thing, all other things doesnt matter

[lapis flint]

Yes, and you can use strict typed js, named also as typescript, with all vanilla js features

[hasty bane]

lets argue about paradigms

[cloud solar]

anyone wanna stream?

[errant trail]

no

i am very early to respond that

no need to thank me

[zealous pivot]

sus

[uneven jacinth]

Man stop the JS hate :(

For its uses it is a perfectly respectable language

Even if you have to go through extra steps to have any sort of semblance of typing

[next lotus]

imagine making a new language just to add one simple feature

[hasty bane]

NO

js bad
kring

'1' == 1

[uneven jacinth]

Then just add another = silly goose

[next lotus]

fuc java

BOTH NEEDS TO BE CALLED FIRST

wtf am i supposed to do now

why am i forced to use this crap of a language aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[hasty bane]

N o

you're not supposed to do these things in the first place

every normal language has == work properly

meanwhile the people who made js were definitely high on something

[uneven jacinth]

You only need to call super(); and then you can proceed writing that class’s constructor however you want

[orchid frigate]

Mfs hating on languages because they dont understand em

Too used to their cake walk English essay of a language

Yes I said that fight me

[wet girder]

Well I don't know any uses for it rather than Roblox development and that's just scam

[barren shale]

because they are the same thing

you dont need both

lmao

[next lotus]

no i have 2 constructors

basically i have a class that extends another class looks like this

public class1 {
  int[] arr;
  public class1(int[] abc) {
    arr = abc;
  }
  public class1() {
    arr = null;
  }
}

and class 2 looks like this

public class2 extends class1 {
  static int classCount = 0;
  public class2(int[] array)
  {
    super(array); // this calls public class1(int[] abc)
    classCount++;
  }
  public class2()
  {
    // I WANT TO CALL class2(int[] array) CONSTRUCTOR BUT I cant
    super(); // this is calling public class1() 
    this(null); // this is calling class2(int[] array)
  }
}```

i cant call super() and this() at the same time because of shitty java design

[barren shale]

you cant call two constructors at the same time

doesnt make sense

even in C#

[next lotus]

but it kinda should

id have no choice but call classCount++; every constructor on class 2

if thats the case

[barren shale]

that doesnt make sense

construct an object twice

wtf

[next lotus]

wtf do you mean twice its just constructing one object once

its calling another constructor but the arguments are different

[barren shale]

you're calling a constructor inside a constructor

you're only allowed to call a constructor inside a constructor once

for a reason

i dont know how to explain it

but it would be very confusing to call 2 constructors

and has 0 usage

[knotty root]

minecraft computer mods lol

[next lotus]

it has lol

[tidal elbow]

also has conditional chaining

interfaces

etc

very useful for work

including this horror

// Helper to define structure
type IsDate<True, False> = True extends Date ? True : False
type AttributeExpanded<Original extends any, Key extends string> = {
    [k in Key]: AttributeExpandedRoot<Original, Key>;
};

type AttributeExpandedRoot<Original extends any, Key extends string> = {
    // Do an extra IsDate check as Dates are technically objects so must be exceptionally verified
    [k in keyof Original]: Original[k] extends object ? IsDate<Original[k], AttributeExpanded<Original[k], Key>> : Original[k];
};

just for this

export function expandWithKey<T extends string, F extends Object>(key: T, values: F): AttributeExpandedRoot<F, T> {
    const expanded = {} as AttributeExpandedRoot<F, T>;

    Object.keys(values).map(valueKey => {
        // Thanks typescript
        const checkedKey = valueKey as keyof F; // keyof typeof values;

        // @ts-ignore
        expanded[valueKey] =
            (values[checkedKey] as any).constructor.name === 'Object' ? { [key]: expandWithKey(key, values[checkedKey]) } : values[checkedKey];
    });

    return expanded;
}

use it for prisma

export interface IArgument {
    type: keyof IArgumentTypes;
    description: string;
    optional?: boolean;
    choices?: {label?: string, value: string}[]
}

export interface IArgumentData {
    [name: string]: IArgument
}

export type IArgumentTypes = {
    BOOLEAN: boolean,
    CHANNEL: GuildChannel,
    NUMBER: number,
    ROLE: Role,
    STRING: string,
    USER: User
}
type GetterType<K extends keyof IArgumentTypes> = (name: string, required?: boolean) => IArgumentTypes[K]
export type IArguments<T extends IArgumentData> = {
    [K in keyof T]?: IArgumentTypes[T[K]["type"]];
};

//....
type CommandCallable<T extends IArgumentData> = (client: CustomClient, interaction: InteractionLike, args: IArguments<T>) => any;
export class Command<T extends IArgumentData> {
    raw: CommandCallable<T>;
// ....

for discord

typed slash command args

ts is very powerful lol

same, and i use it almost always at work

i push for python tho

[fluid nacelle]

hello, im very new to c# and i wanted to know in general: what is a null object and what makes an object "not null"? would be very nice if someone could explain

[cloud solar]

anyooooone wanna stream

[cloud solar]

ok so:
in case of int, or float when it is not set it is 0
when a value is GameObject(i am talking in case of unity rn) or more abstract then just number, it is null by default

[naive owl]

basically null is like a empty object, idk but you could do more research on google but null is like a object that is 0 with no other code for the object

but i might be wrong

[fluid nacelle]

ah thank you

[next lotus]

you code in python and js?!?!?!?

how are you alive

[tidal elbow]

i do python, js, rust and a smol bit of kotlin lmao

rust is my new favourite

[next lotus]

js "desktop apps" be like: imagine packaging an entire webbrowser to run "desktop app"

[tidal elbow]

hah, we do that for advertisers running kiosk machines

[next lotus]

havent tried rust, maybe when its more mature

[tidal elbow]

our platform runs on electron

[next lotus]

electron be like

XDDDD

[tidal elbow]

it's now part of the linux kernel so

it's pretty established

[next lotus]

what like rn?

[tidal elbow]

yes

rust is in a very good state

ive only done physics simulations on it personally

and adapters for rust packages for use in python

[next lotus]

you got sources for that no fukin way rust is in linux kernel

alr after some googling i cant find any sources like theres no way

[tidal elbow]

https://www.zdnet.com/article/rust-takes-a-major-step-forward-as-linuxs-second-official-language/

actually maybe not atm, but it is going to happen 100%

[knotty root]

https://tenor.com/view/nerd-nerd-emoji-meme-speech-bubble-bubble-gif-25115885

[tidal elbow]

https://thenewstack.io/rust-in-the-linux-kernel-good-enough/

https://twitter.com/ossia/status/1468663047447355400?ref_src=twsrc^tfw&utm_source=thenewstack&utm_medium=website&utm_campaign=platform

Quincy Larson (@ossia)

Rust is now an official language for Linux development.🎉

C and C++ have lead to lots of memory safety issues over the years. Rust can prevent these. A lot of new Linux code will be in Rust.

You can learn Rust for free, interactively in your browser: https://t.co/qGofxZNvK4

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[orchid frigate]

In C NULL is a null byte meaning its equivalent to 0

Idk if its the same as in the other languages

I mean high level

Languages

[cloud solar]

anyonne wanna streaaaaaam

@orchid frigate

you are legally obligated to watch my stream

[hasty bane]

@next lotus rust is kino
its super weird to write
but as someone said (dont remember who, was it hamza?) it basically forces you to write good code with near c++ levels of performance

its nowhere near c++ or c# levels of Having A Lot of Libraries (or crates in rusts case) though

[knotty root]

Coders...

I nead hellp!

Rn

[orchid frigate]

Wdym

It has a crate for anything!

Literally

There are so many crates for os development alone

Then we have graphics APIs

There are like so many wrappers

[knotty root]

I nead hellp to.

[hasty bane]

one example is:
you'll have a much easier time making a game in cpp / cs compared to Rust

[knotty root]

...

[orchid frigate]

@knotty root we need you to tell us what you need help with to help you :)

[orchid frigate]

Maybe with cs

But cpp

[knotty root]

Make that u can get customised flingsalt in the game like on the computer

[hasty bane]

unreal engine tho

[orchid frigate]

Other than ue there isn't much that isnt just graphics APIs

[hasty bane]

source engine if you're into that

[knotty root]

Oo im makin a roblox game..

..

[orchid frigate]

Rust engines are better than the cpp ones imo

[hasty bane]

godot too

[hasty bane]

idk

i tried bevy

it wasnt fun

[orchid frigate]

I forgot that existed

[hasty bane]

a lot of people forget godot exists

[knotty root]

🇸🇪

🇸🇪 🇸🇪 🇸🇪 🇸🇪 🇸🇪 🇸🇪

Nah jk

[hasty bane]

[knotty root]

I aint a spamer

[hasty bane]

good

[orchid frigate]

Wait

Cant you use rust with unity

[knotty root]

...

...

[orchid frigate]

Somehow

[knotty root]

Hay

Guys

[hasty bane]

uhhh

No idea

lmao

Maybe?? ?

[orchid frigate]

I remember unity being compatible with a alot of languages

[hasty bane]

A game written in pure rust on Unity would be the most cursed thing to ever exist

[compact vessel]

Xd

[granite canyon]

Hi

[barren shale]

unity was compatible with js but they removed it

cuz js sux

rust is not that hard once you get the hang of it

it has garbage collection so no need to manage memory

it just very strict so you need to get used to what works and what doesnt

[lofty pewter]

Rust Garbage Collection ????????

[mossy cedar]

billgates room

[normal roost]

Yee

[coral sparrow]

Hello

[silent mesa]

where is the executable for for worldbox

[orchid frigate]

In the directory for worldbox

Seriously like be more specific why do you want it on what os are you platform

How did you get it

[winter olive]

guys

please i need a new email

cuz i changed my steam account or it got hacked

but my new acc have the same emai;

but i need a new email to i can get the game again

cuz i own it already

[orchid frigate]

Just

Make a new email

Why do we have to make it

[main brook]

yeah why

like

we aren't customer service for steam

why does majority of people assume coding is literally every technical help

like okay bro we'll fix it with a binary search tree

[orchid frigate]

"oh you a coder? That must mean you are able to do anything I tell you to even if you have 0 experience in it what so ever but I don't know that because im too ignorant to realise that coders are only good at typing colorful words on a black screen and dont know how every single piece of technology works"

[tidal elbow]

nah we good at copy paste

tbf a surprsiingly little amount of my work is copy paste

a large part is from uh

tabnine ai autocomplete

[tidal elbow]

tbf borrow/ownership is a blessing and a curse

[orchid frigate]

Its really weird the first time you use it

[tidal elbow]

true

safer than pointers tho

[orchid frigate]

Pointers

My favourite

Man's best friend if you will

[knotty root]

traiteditor

:traiteditor

[orchid frigate]

Trait editor doesn't work for people that dont read the fucking channel description

[knotty root]

Dang

[knotty root]

I'm new here where is the channel description

[orchid frigate]

Just go to #🤖bot-commands

The admins

Need to bring

The bot commands channel up

Thats how we will stop rebrs from coming here

[knotty root]

How do I use the commands

[orchid frigate]

Idk I have never used em

@wet girder would it be possible to bring the bot commands channel above the coders cave

[hoary hound]

no because we would have to move the entire bot section above the community one

[orchid frigate]

Then

New people wouldn't be able to join

Without applying

Which as pleasurable as it sounds

Wouldnt be good

[safe prawn]

you must answer these code questions to access this channel

[barren shale]

how to print hello world in the following 10000 programming languages

[orchid frigate]

#1: x16 NASM assembly

[next lotus]

give them a base64 string to decode lmao

[hasty bane]

i do think there should be some way to make people aware of the fact that this is for programming and not worldbox stuff
i just have no idea how to do it

[cloud solar]

Hi

Daily reminder that lua is bad

Bye

[cloud solar]

@hoary hound my opinion lol

[hoary hound]

hey I've used lua for years, if anyone can say it's "bad" that's me

it's really just a scripting langauge

[cloud solar]

I mean python is too

And c# too

[orchid frigate]

saying "my opinion" is the equivilent of "its just a prank bro"

atleast in this chat

any opinion is dangerous

af

can cause world war 3

[cloud solar]

And people in my basement are just sightseeing

[knotty root]

hi

[next lotus]

hail C#

[cloud solar]

hail C#

[raw heron]

#🛡public-moderation-logs

[fierce perch]

How do I get ncms on mobile Android no premium

[hasty bane]

if ncms is something about mods - you cant get mods for the android version

at all

[fierce perch]

Oh

Ok

[orchid frigate]

Hail your mom

Hail rust

[next lotus]

you my mother but i dont like rust

[orchid frigate]

Why

Rust is so cool

It takes everything good from low and high level into one language

[next lotus]

havent tried it yet

so i dont like it :)

i might like it if i try it

[rigid beacon]

This sucks

[cloud solar]

what exactly?

[distant wraith]

I hate it when I need to do math to make my code work. I spent 2 hours making this using Pillow.

[hasty bane]

[distant wraith]

2 freaking hours for 32 lines of code.

[hasty bane]

that's how it works sometimes

[uneven jacinth]

Fr fr

That was basically my experience implementing new system calls in xv6

[orchid frigate]

rookie numbers

2 months

100 lines of code

and now im working on about 200 lines of code

for 6 months

because

documentation on paging is about as good as reading the entire x86-64 processors documentation

[cloud solar]

hi

whats the shortcut to disable the monitor?

if there is any

like so pc could work

but monitor wont

[naive bridge]

send reaction to be my worldbox battle royale

[cloud solar]

Hyh?

[half warren]

👢 Kicked 🎈Olivia🎈#2512

⚠ Warned 810826825261121607

[distant wraith]

A dumb design.

I love Pillow.

[hasty bane]

its

painful

[tidal elbow]

PIL is alright

could be better

altho i do like it

not as painful as its equivalent in js (JIMP)

[hasty bane]

pasting things was a bit confusing

i remember trying to make a progress bar thingy

and it just wouldnt work

[distant wraith]

img.rectangle((0, 0, XP, toGet // 20), fill=(88, 101, 242))

Google

[hasty bane]

eventually i came to something like this but first i tried to paste bits of a progress bar into a picture and it was hell

[hasty bane]

it was stupid

dont ask why i did it that way

[distant wraith]

Also, I've tried to center the text but failed, so I've made the text very smol to avoid it getting out of the image. It turns out to look even worse.

[hasty bane]

kek

Doing UI memes in Pillow is kinda masochism

But its also pretty much the only way you'd get anything like a ui with python bots

[orchid frigate]

Ok so @hoary hound requested to make a joke about c# here

So here it goes

C# is the best language because it can do low level stuff

LMAOOOOO

[hoary hound]

@barren shale

[orchid frigate]

Its funny because its not true and if you think its true you have probably been coding for a month or code for money

[hoary hound]

let the show begin

https://tenor.com/view/thriller-michael-jackson-eating-popcorn-watching-gif-5577709

[barren shale]

if you dont think its true youve never done research

you can do low level with python if you want

[orchid frigate]

Yes

But who tf would choose

Python

Over C

[barren shale]

doesnt mean you cant

[orchid frigate]

For making a fucking kernel

Also im pretty sure python dont have pointers

[barren shale]

you can have pointers in python with some libraries

[orchid frigate]

How do you compile it

[barren shale]

you dont compile python

[orchid frigate]

To a cross-compiled x86-64 ELF executable

[barren shale]

you said low level

[orchid frigate]

Well how tf do you link it then

[barren shale]

you never said cross-compiled x86-64 executable

[orchid frigate]

You forgot an ELF

Pretty important

For linking

And stuff

[barren shale]

nobody cares

[orchid frigate]

Im just mentioning

You need to be more specific

[barren shale]

i need to be more specific

okay

[orchid frigate]

Because you could get a non elf

And it wont work

[barren shale]

mhm

[orchid frigate]

Yea

I have done that

It sucks

Took me 1day to figure out

[barren shale]

mhm

ofc

it did

[orchid frigate]

Tea

Yea*

It was kinda sad

But it worked in the end

Which is what matters

[barren shale]

ofc it did

[orchid frigate]

Yea

This is the most civil discussion we have had

In 6 months

Ok well like

Now that we arent fighting

This has gotten kinda awkward

Uhhh

@barren shale so any projects you have been working on

[barren shale]

other than your mother there's nothing currently as my laptop isnt functional

[orchid frigate]

Oh well thats sad

Hmmm

Oh come the fuck on do something

Protect c#

[barren shale]

good news is my new laptop is coming soon

[orchid frigate]

Insult me about my low level doing

This is awful

[barren shale]

awfully good

[orchid frigate]

No

I havent been this bored since that time I had coffee with someone I have nothing in common with

[barren shale]

i dont like coffee

[orchid frigate]

Coffee dont like you either

[barren shale]

good

I like water

[orchid frigate]

Hamza what happened to you

Insult me

Come on

Pls

[barren shale]

you are mother

[orchid frigate]

@hoary hound i cannot start an argument

I feel ashamed

[barren shale]

yes you can

i believe in you

[orchid frigate]

Uhmmmm

[barren shale]

[orchid frigate]

Ok so I think that rust is better than c#

No I believe

[barren shale]

I respect your opinion but i do not agree with it

[orchid frigate]

Am I doing good

[orchid frigate]

Damn it didnt work

[barren shale]

why do you think rust is better than C#?

[orchid frigate]

Well

Many reasons

Its compiled

It has a wide range of options for building

Meaning its good for when you want to get a certain executable

Its both a low level (kernels in it are good I have tried 10/10(good core library)) language and a good high level language

Its able to do anything

Yea

That's it

Also

It has libraries or crates for kernels

Which is insanely good

[barren shale]

good points

[orchid frigate]

Let me hear your point of view

[barren shale]

but C# is compiled too (Just-in-Time compiled) and it has a lot of features that i think makes it better than rust like ASP.Net, A lot of libraries for everything (Huge community), I think it's easier to structure and easier to make your code expandable in C# and most importantly it doesn't has the strictness of rust which could lead to bad code but sometimes it doesnt matter you just want your code to run (quick and dirty), but when you want your code to run fast you can use best practices to make it very fast and memory efficient

[orchid frigate]

Good points

However I have to say

These civil discussions

Are so boring its insane

Im now realising why coders fight

We need to fight more often

@barren shale do you agree

[barren shale]

what is "fight" and why is it necessary?

[orchid frigate]

Who is talking to me

This isnt the hamza I know

[barren shale]

this is your mother

[orchid frigate]

Ok this is a part of the hamza I remember

but not the full Hamza

[hasty bane]

wtf hamza and haydot actually having a discussion?

[orchid frigate]

IKR!

this feels weird

[hasty bane]

based!!

[orchid frigate]

and wrong

we need to get old hamza back

he is missing his aggression

[hoary hound]

Wdym you guys filled the chat for the last 20 minutes

[orchid frigate]

its not an argument

its a civil discussion

those are boring

we need more passion

more warshipping

[barren shale]

it is called worshipping sir

[orchid frigate]

yea yea whatever

go get angry

somehow

[hasty bane]

warshipping is when you worship and start a war because of it

[barren shale]

shipping is when you ship something (laptop for example) to someone

[orchid frigate]

waring is when you

war

[hoary hound]

shipping hamza and panda

[tidal elbow]

in software generally the stricter the better

and rust is without a doubt quicker and more memory efficient than c#

[barren shale]

much harder too though

[tidal elbow]

js? we prefer ts
python? we've advocated typing in python - some python runtimes require it

[tidal elbow]

aye but difficulty comes with benefits

[barren shale]

C# can be very difficult too

as i said C# can give you the option

[tidal elbow]

i will credit c# for its unity compatibility, but nonetheless

if i want efficiency, ill pick rust
if i want big data or neural nets, ill pick python (which is mainly just botched c libraries linked into python)
if i want games, ill pick c#
if i want web, ill pick ts

each has its benefits

[barren shale]

too much efficiency most of the time is not needed

[tidal elbow]

rust is modern but low level, that's why it's attractive

[barren shale]

or else every production API would be in C

[tidal elbow]

i would disagree

when writing a bit of server software handling over 100 000 messages a day, i picked rust

python would be horribly too slow

nodejs too

[barren shale]

100000 messages a day

python can handle that easily

[tidal elbow]

sorry, ill explain better

100 000 messages aday that need to be redistrubted more than 120 times each

then the result stored to a database

[barren shale]

depending on how you do it

[tidal elbow]

rust was by far quicker

[barren shale]

nodejs might be able to handle that

[tidal elbow]

python was on one end handling the reception

rust was receiving from rabbitmq (queuing software) and redistributing

[barren shale]

nodejs should be able to handle 1000 requests per second

[tidal elbow]

aye but it doesnt mean its good at it

it's also memory heavy

rust can do the job with minimal memory

node's memory just idle is high compared to rust

rust is also very good for stuff like k-trees

[barren shale]

well asp.net is pretty good for the memory and someone managed to get 1 million requests per second on that

but that's unrealistic because not everyone has a 10000$ cpu

[tidal elbow]

yeah, but you can also get 1 million request per second using python with async, however it's not a good choice tho

[barren shale]

i dont think you can get 1 million requests with python

like full requests

with responses

most used languages for apis are php, js, python, C#, java

[tidal elbow]

ik, i work in the industry

php rarely nowawadays. not for building new stuff, only for maintaining old stuff

java is becoming a bit rarer too but still ever present

[barren shale]

still used in east asia a lot

i only see rust in places that are super huge scale

[tidal elbow]

i mean yeah, cuz rust isnt meant for apis really

[orchid frigate]

As someone that has pretty much only done

os stuff

rust is good

its like im writing high level

when in reality im writing literally almost as low level as it goes

not including legacy BIOS bootloaders

its also got a crate for literally anything

including os stuff

which is super rare

even C doesnt have any popular os libraries

only thing is

its inline assembly syntax

is literally worse than C's inline assembly

and thats already way too complicated for what it does

[next lotus]

ill never pick a scripting language for web development in production ever

id rather pick a compiled, type-safe, use less ram, better on performance and doesnt change too fast

thats C# :)

[next lotus]

yeah but where did that async came from? c# did it first and still does it better

python still has its half assed implementation of async like c'mon you have it on requests why dont you have async on file operations too lmao

coming soon on python (java too): an actual working built in reflection library :))))

also rust take notes too :)))))

[cloud solar]

Hi, whats inside System folder?

Like no System32 but System

[barren shale]

system stuff

[cloud solar]

Can i delete it?

👍 👍

[barren shale]

you can try

i would not recommend deleting anything in a folder named after the os

[cloud solar]

It gives me error message

[barren shale]

use the cmd

run it as administrator

[cloud solar]

Nah... to much work

[orchid frigate]

"compiled" Im very fucking sorry what

C# is the furthest from compiled

I feel like there is a joke im not getting because all of those things are not c#

[orchid frigate]

If I had to guess

More random dll files maybe some objects

And more resources for the kernel

[cloud solar]

Ik

[orchid frigate]

The actual kernel isnt a file tho

[cloud solar]

Ik

[orchid frigate]

The bootloader is

[cloud solar]

Too hard tho

[cloud solar]

Hmm

[orchid frigate]

You can actually see where the bootloader is

I'm pretty sure

But it may only be possible from linux

Its a file that should be named BOOTX64.EFI

or something similar

[tidal elbow]

Who cares who did it first, im just stating what's capable of what

[tidal elbow]

I mean python has a half assed implementation on threading too

[tidal elbow]

Thats a fair choice but theyre very powerful for that sort of thing - typescript also introduces the type safety

[orchid frigate]

Actually now that J think about it the kernel should be visible too

But its definitely pretty hidden

[next lotus]

you havent tried c# your entire life lol

it gets compiled to IL

theres the word compiled

so its compiled :)

[next lotus]

do you remember the second man who went to the moon?

[next lotus]

id rather just c#

really

lol

[orchid frigate]

I started with it

Did it for an year

Half a year with unity

Half with libraries

I tried to make a kernel out of it

I have tried it alot

[orchid frigate]

Doesn't count

I count compiled for being made into an object file and ran directly on the machines

[tidal elbow]

Yes, aldrin. Your point doesnt make any sense though.

C existed before c#, it did mathematics, file editing and much more long before c#. Does that mean you should use C for file manipulation?

[tidal elbow]

Then that's on you lmao. Im just saying scripting languages have their benefits

And in my industry of work, we use typescript and python heavily

[distant wraith]

Flask.

[next lotus]

get out

python

is never good for web development

[worn jacinth]

What app you use to code in mobile?

[next lotus]

what industry is that, i remember enterprise would use the lowest level language for everything

[orchid frigate]

Low level is the good level

[distant wraith]

If Python, I use Pydroid 3.

[main brook]

well it's like

compiled to interpreter code

so

technically yes

they do need to be easy execution

so

instead of parsing each line

everytime

BULK THAT SHIT

and done

[next lotus]

but still better than interpreted

all the errors are catched before runtime

[barren shale]

dont code on mobile

there are laptops that are cheaper than phones

if you wanna take programming seriously just buy a cheap laptop/used desktop

my university has computers from 2013 they probably cost around 100-150$ and they are doing more than good enough

if you must code on mobile get a bluetooth keyboard

helps a lot

[tidal elbow]

Website developement and infrastructurr

We use nodejs express backend and react front ed

Altho we're moving to remix.run

For heavy data manipulation we use python

[barren shale]

nope

enterprise would use a popular and reliable option

enterprise: game dev would use C++, frontend is mostly react and angular and flutter, backend: nodejs, asp.net, spring, django (sometimes)

they mostly choose based on popularity sometimes speed if needed

maybe vuejs too for frontend

tbh there's too many frontend frameworks that are good

all of them are javascript for now until WASM takes off

[hasty bane]

ppl use django and it blows my mind

[barren shale]

its not too bad

[hasty bane]

yeah im just surprised that its as popular as it is

[barren shale]

because people like to do everything in python

[hasty bane]

kek yeah

hamza what do you think about blazor

[barren shale]

not good enough

tried to use it

a bit buggy

[hasty bane]

hmm

alright

[barren shale]

even visual studio has problems with it

still new

[hasty bane]

ive got a pdf on web dev with c# but it seems that i will never escape the {thing}script trap

[barren shale]

id give it a couple of years

same with any other WASM

still too new

[orchid frigate]

Ok ok I know this is off topic but I need some quick answers

Which monster do you like best

[barren shale]

Your mother

[orchid frigate]

Fair enough

Anyway is wasm literally like assembly like syntax

[barren shale]

maybe

i dont know

[orchid frigate]

Because if it is

I might consider web development

[barren shale]

wasm is used to compile languages like C# into web apps

[orchid frigate]

Oh

So you dont write assembly

Damn everything web is so boring not even assembly smh

Anyways im going to go read the exact same documentation for the 20th time to try to translate it to rust

Cya later detonator

[barren shale]

you can use rust to make a web app though

[orchid frigate]

Boring

Not even assembly

Also

Im not sure what an web app is

[barren shale]

application

on web

[orchid frigate]

Yes

But

What does it mean

Why is it different

[barren shale]

its different because its on a website

[orchid frigate]

Im stuck in the 1950s I don't understand the web

[barren shale]

a blog is a website

a blog is not a web app

facebook.com is a website

and a web app

it is interactive

it has code that runs after you go in the website

a blog just loads

[orchid frigate]

Web is too complicated

All those servers and like words

I don't speak English

I like to talk in hexadecimal values

Or even binary

[barren shale]

no

you just stooopid