idk you'd have to google them
#⌨coders-cave
hasty bane
they're all in russian
except for idk
maybe corps that are international
and have offices in places like usa or w/e
hoary hound
damn russians with their russian names
barren shale
Yeah but you can’t host stuff for free
If you are using svelte kit
If u use svelte you can build your app and just upload it for free to firebase
hasty bane
hmm
hoary hound
looking at other offers I think they just misstyped and meant 22k-25k per year
barren shale
looking at other offers I think they just misstyped and meant 22k-25k *per year*
That’s very very very shit
Junior jobs should be around 70-80k
hoary hound
That’s very very very shit
for junior dev you hardly will find more here
barren shale
for junior dev you hardly will find more here
Where u live
hoary hound
italy
barren shale
Well it depends on the cost of living
I can barely find anything above 300$ a month here
Which is not too bad for Syria
hasty bane
22,000*79; 1738000 / 12 = 145k rubles per month
Since the beginning of autumn 2014, the official salary of a deputy in Russia has been 420 thousand rubles.
hoary hound
well yes we have lower cost of living here too
hasty bane
literally parliament representative
hasty bane
earns as much as
like 3 junior devs
in italy
but eh
they embezzle cash like crazy so
main brook
hooly nuts
hasty bane
im 175cm
hasty bane
I live my last 3 years with back pains because i broke it 
next lotus
i feel blessed being short now :)
main brook
you should be
wet girder
I have 3 choices on what to do as my programming side project. Learn some way to make websites efficienctly and shart freelancing to make money and get experience or learn Unity and make a cool game so I'll be good at it in school or by far my favorite learn opengl with c++ and lose my sanity
too hard to choose
knotty root
I have 3 choices on what to do as my programming side project. Learn some way to...
Hmmmmmmmmm
Hard decision
orchid frigate
I have 3 choices on what to do as my programming side project. Learn some way to...
opengl is really painful to do
its extremely difficult to the point every mistake could lead to a avalanche of errors that seem unfixable
next oracle
Does anyone know what language this game is written in?
hasty bane
I have 3 choices on what to do as my programming side project. Learn some way to...
site is neat
knotty root
How to code: /die launches nukes that's all you need to know
knotty root
another day another braincell
LOL
main brook
remember when action script was a thing
and it was used in adobe flash
to make shit tons of cool games
versed sparrow
knotty root
<@177730427170062336>
💀
hollow bronze
the most laggy thing known to man
you'll never guess which platform maxim decided to start a sim game on
hasty bane
oh i know
barren shale
<@163377168263413760>
Stop pinging the devs
They don’t like it
They might ban you for it
hasty bane
its a random child
fallow yew
Im starting to learn JS… its weird af
orchid frigate
Js seems awful from what I have experienced
But my experience with it isnt more than 5 minutes so
barren shale
you guys are so not used to event based programming
you just like your programs to go one way
hasty bane
I'm going to use a lot of events in my bot if that counts
also based assumption
i just dont like the languages
not js, not ts
main brook
first time opening blocked message in a month
but i think he meant like
asynchronous programming
like
its not a sequential execution
but it does things in events
its usually running on a loop
one example javascript
its natively event based
barren shale
event based and asynchronous are not the same thing
errant trail
Js seems awful from what I have experienced
vanila js is average but node.js is good
errant trail
Im starting to learn JS… its weird af
you are just not used to high level language
wet girder
Not all high level languages have just wacky datatypes and variable declaration as JS
barren shale
python 👀
wet girder
JS Imo is decent but I don't use it for anything else than web dev
or well amp will be js at some point
wet girder
too late
errant trail
what if ts + node
wet girder
js ain't bad though
errant trail
node.ts
wet girder
and it has the most up to date discord library
errant trail
it becomes very confusing
use different files
wet girder
ah
errant trail
easy
barren shale
ts gets compiled into javascript anyways
errant trail
use different files
storing 103929382 lines of code in 1 file is not a good idea
hasty bane
python 👀
python isnt as weird imo
the way node, express, sveltekit projects are structured is
not really
i do like stuff being clean tho
errant trail
show me the code you said isnt clean
hasty bane
not coee
not code
folders etc
maybe its just me structuring my projects wrong and i need to git gud
errant trail
show me the structure you made i want to see it
hasty bane
the default ones you get thru setting up a new project
and the skeletons too kind of
just everything that doesn't run in a single file is bad
errant trail
index.js
index.html
doesnt look bad
hasty bane
2 files > 1 file
therefore bad 
errant trail
also you can put the code in index.js in index.html
by just putting the script in the script tags instead of using attributes
errant trail
2 files > 1 file
therefore bad <:troll:839521535721996339>
the reason why the tutorial make you make 2 files instead of 1 is to get things more organized (JS in one file, HTML in another)
errant trail
1 + '1' = '11' <:wbshy:875742156285960201>
so noobs dont keep bugging peoples in programming discord on why their codes dont work with this mistake
hasty bane
kek
wet girder
so noobs dont keep bugging peoples in programming discord on why their codes don...
that makes noobs complain more. It should rather give error that you can't add string into int like in pretty much any other language
hasty bane
i can imagine the potential for fuckups
errant trail
that makes noobs complain more. It should rather give error that you can't add s...
trust me the noobs dont even try to read the error
hasty bane
where you need to add 2 int variables and one is suddenly a string but you used + so it just concats
errant trail
and the reason i gave not a real reason
errant trail
where you need to add 2 int variables and one is suddenly a string but you used ...
1 + parseInt("1") = 2
hasty bane
eeeh
wet girder
JS is like the most weakly written language there is
and I am way too used to strongly written languages JS just confuses me lmao
wet girder
okay well I use python quite a bit but atleast I get proper errors in python
errant trail
why it would concat by default
idk
errant trail
check if exception
the purpose of high level languages is to make things really really simple and i think thats why
hasty bane
supported by browsers
hasty bane
the purpose of high level languages is to make things really really simple and i...
that's the opposite of simple tbf
errant trail
supported by browsers
WASM?
wet girder
Let's make our own browser that supports fuckin LOLCODE
hasty bane
you're right, wasm
errant trail
LOLCODE supremacy
wet girder
indeed
hasty bane
malbolge
main brook
me after deleting tons of craps
errant trail
i have 64 GB
hasty bane
i kind of wonder what the most used language would look like if browsers supported everything
hasty bane
i kind of wonder what the most used language would look like if browsers support...
with like
magic backwards compatibility orw hatever
main brook
probably web assembly
wet girder
i have 64 GB
same but only 48 is usable for me atleast after OS and shit
main brook
since its already a thing
hasty bane
maybe
main brook
same but only 48 is usable for me atleast after OS and shit
for some fucken reason tho
android reserved
hasty bane
always need more!!
hasty bane
someone should make
a REALLY good language
and just call it something stupid
like trollang
main brook
<function name>
<params name type=type default_value=value>
<output>{name}</output>
</function>
<name rei>
C should be called high-level assembly
civic lake
The crabzilla’s animations for walking around were really well done
I wonder how long it took to code that
barren shale
me after deleting tons of craps
me when imagine not 256 gb
knotty root
this is a peaceful chat
barren shale
this is a peaceful chat
hasty bane
https://tenor.com/view/your-mom-spy-tf2-team-fortress2-sheesh-gif-21838783
i agree with this
chat when c# isnt mentioned:
chat when c# is mentioned:
barren shale
https://tenor.com/view/ip-i-have-your-ip-address-address-ip-address-dox-gif-1985...
i have it too
barren shale
i mean i can just post my ip address and then restart my router
barren shale
and what you gonna do then
hasty bane
get it again
hasty bane
noooo that's not how ip works!
if i have your ip address i literally know where you are right now
barren shale
not in syria
barren shale
we dont region our ip address very accurately
barren shale
the numbers on the back of the card
we dont use credit cards
hasty bane
we dont region our ip address very accurately
my isp throws me hundreds of kilometers around
idek how this works even
barren shale
free vpn
hasty bane
fr
wet girder
my old isp put me in the capital of Finland however far that is from where I live which I won't tell but my current isp puts me either to the closest town or the closest city
idk how it decides where I am
hasty bane
WAR
orchid frigate
@hasty bane i have your ip im gonna steal your fridge now >:)
hasty bane
<@605412431761768469> i have your ip im gonna steal your fridge now >:)
nooooooooo!
you can find
most stuff
on places like stackoverflow
or docs
if its a question aout how x works
orchid frigate
nooooooooo!
:)
If you don't give me 2 dabloons im gonna steal the fridge
No
Egg man
hasty bane
i will rig the fridge with 200 kilograms of c4
orchid frigate
Free c4!
hasty bane
wired to a detonator
orchid frigate
Im gonna raid qn entire rust server with that much
orchid frigate
wired to a detonator
Give it to me
Yea you gonna blow me up
But you wont have a fridge
orchid frigate
Its not
hasty bane
fridges are cheap
orchid frigate
Where you gonna store all the eggs
orchid frigate
No
hasty bane
yea
orchid frigate
No
hasty bane
EGG
orchid frigate
When
orchid frigate
Ok jm coming to steal your fridge
hasty bane
hasty bane
c-
barren shale
a fucken awesome idea
"what is it" ||with idea stealing intent||
icy mantle
Awoooo
hoary hound
Awoooo
I want to know the thought process that got you in a channel named #⌨coders-cave and say this exact message
I'm just curious
barren shale
I want to know the thought process that got you in a channel named <#81668434707...
there's no thought process
as there's no thoughts
as there's no brain
icy mantle
I want to know the thought process that got you in a channel named <#81668434707...
I honestly didnt know it was coders cave at the time
I thought it was the world box chat
Plus awoooooo is fun to say and I want people to know that am fluffy furry
hoary hound
Plus awoooooo is fun to say and I want people to know that am fluffy furry
ok next time do it in #🌎general
icy mantle
ok next time do it in <#522561390330904587>
I did
gritty surge
#stoptacobellabuse join the revolution
#stoptacobellabuse
spam this in discord servers
midnight echo
wicked linden
what dose this channel do
hasty bane
depressing
main brook
its place where people suggest stuff
for worldbox
and ask how to mod
and then they get redirected to #🔧modding-talk or #💡game-suggestions
and then there's people who came saying random things
and then get redirected to #🌎general
and the actual coders
and then hamzah
who keeps talking about C# superiority
and your mom jokes
hasty bane
hamzer
orchid frigate
i have this idea of
I cant wait for tommorow when we will get the next message
errant trail
message
sent
wow guys new message in the channel
while (true) { console.log("Hacking roblox"); }
``` run this for free robux (in browser console)
hasty bane
i know, i know
orchid frigate
```js
while (true) { console.log("Hacking roblox"); }
``` run this for free robu...
Lemme show you how its done
next lotus
who keeps talking about C# superiority
add separate channel for c#
name it coding channel
then a separate channel for other languages
name it "minorities"
jk
humble wasp
i know, i know
no more bre
turbid junco
yes
main brook
import fastapi
import aiohttp
import google_auth_oauthlib.flow as gflow
from fastapi.responses import RedirectResponse
from starlette.middleware.sessions import SessionMiddleware
from oauthlib.common import urldecode
app = fastapi.FastAPI()
app.add_middleware(SessionMiddleware, secret_key=b"hi")
states = {}
@app.get("/login")
async def login(request: fastapi.Request):
flow = gflow.Flow.from_client_secrets_file("file.json", scopes=["https://www.googleapis.com/auth/userinfo.email"])
flow.redirect_uri = request.url_for("login_callback")
url, state = flow.authorization_url(access_type="offline", include_granted_scopes="true", prompt="select_account")
states[state] = flow
return RedirectResponse(url)
@app.get("/login/callback")
async def login_callback(request: fastapi.Request, state: str, code: str):
flow = states.pop(state)
params = flow.oauth2session._client.prepare_request_body(
code=code,
body="",
redirect_uri=flow.redirect_uri,
client_secret=flow.client_config["client_secret"]
)
async with aiohttp.ClientSession() as sess:
async with sess.post(flow.client_config["token_uri"], data=dict(urldecode(params))) as resp:
access_token = (await resp.json())["access_token"]
async with sess.post("https://www.googleapis.com/oauth2/v3/tokeninfo", headers={"Authorization": f"Bearer {access_token}"}) as resp1:
request.session["email"] = (await resp1.json())["email"]
return RedirectResponse("/", 301)
@app.get("/")
async def index(request: fastapi.Request):
return dict(request.session)
i made a "login with google"
but async
hasty bane
neat
hoary hound
how do i start making mods
you should ask this in #🔧modding-talk, this channel is more about generic coding discussion
yes?
ok first off you need to store the response texts somewhere, you could store them in a file and read them while the program is running, but if you want to avoid that and make it easier you could store them inside an array.
Then you need a random object to get random numbers (I don't remember what C# uses, but you can just google "c# random numbers").
Using that you get a random number, and you use that as an random index for your array of response texts.
wet girder
Just a tip for the future. You'll need to learn to think creatively how to do these because that's the single biggest skill you need in programming. I know how hard it is at the beginning but for a start you should first just sit down take a cup of coffee and think how could this be achieved. After you have enough knowledge of what your programming language can do it becomes easier and easier but there is no shame on asking help either, it helps learn it but it is important to keep in mind to first think yourself
hoary hound
// Instantiate random number generator using system-supplied value as seed.
var rand = new Random();
// Print random integer between 0 and 100
Console.WriteLine(rand.Next(0, 101))
yes this is also very important
it takes time, but the more practice, the more you will develop problem solving skills, which are invaluable for programmers
next lotus
how do i start making mods
path 1: works in all games
learn C++
learn assembly
learn the basics of reverse engineering
learn how to rewrite a process' instruction via assembly
congrats you know how to mod
path 2: for unity games
learn c#
download bepinex
write random shit until something happens
hoary hound
write characters on screen until it works
next lotus
Codes
we open microsoft paint and carefully place pixels to ressemble assembly byte code when saved as png
fossil pawn
orchid frigate
path 1: works in all games
learn C++
learn assembly
learn the basics of reverse ...
Assembly
I like assembly
Its so simple and so little things to learn
Its syntax is the exact same throughout the entire code
hoary hound
path 1: works in all games
learn C++
learn assembly
learn the basics of reverse ...
path 2 is my entire worldbox modding career
wispy slate
i know how to code! /kill [type=@e?/all] see? easy
tidal frost
i have the best code
half warrenBOT
⚠ Warned 935996403673624627
tropic dagger
Codes
Open text editor, spam random keys (e.x. int main(int argc, char** argv) { std::cout << "Error because why not"; } ), then we go to command line and type the name of our compiler, arguments, and the file we just made, scream internally (and externally) when we get 82 errors and 428294 warnings, fix them by adding in one line, repeat, wait for it to crash, fix the other line of code, and then enjoy the four minutes of peace that follows.
Oh I forgot about the part where you forgot to link your program correctly.
Or you use easier languages.
But easy languages are boring and the hard ones have a lot of upsides that make them worth it.
median frigate
my brain is melting from all this
errant trail
what if someone makes a language that is easy to compile to lower level language so peoples can code in high level (fast) and then continue to code in low level (more control more performance)
2 in 1
viral jetty
That's Python
barren shale
But easy languages are boring and the hard ones have a lot of upsides that make ...
Easy language are boring so you’d rather fail trying a harder language
hasty bane
not if he's already learned an easy language
main brook
i have this idea of
making this thing that
barren shale
making this thing that
orchid frigate
But easy languages are boring and the hard ones have a lot of upsides that make ...
this guy gets it
this guy right here
he gets shit
he knows whats up
errant trail
That's Python
does not cover "and then continue to code in low level (more control more performance)" part
orchid frigate
I have been thinking about a language thats both low and high level
thats basically high level assembly
so this might fit the criteria
errant trail
so this might fit the criteria
my idea is that you can code in a very very high level syntax then compile it to low level and finish things off
barren shale
he knows whats up
he knows how to lose motivation and not get a job
orchid frigate
Blocking Hamza was the best decision I have made
Im sure what he said was stupid and im sure noone asked about it either
wet girder
no, he said something smart
orchid frigate
Seeing his message, I can see he hasnt worked in a low level language before lol
You don't dont just lose motivating just because of the language or what you do
And the job, software engineering is one of the best paid jobs out there
Especially with c/c++ skills
orchid frigate
looks really nice
seems like a cool text game
interesting
but I have a small question
does the info get printed out each time you attack an enemy
that seems rather counterintuitive
maybe just keep the command and tell the user that if they want to look at stats they could
next lotus
That's Python
python is high level interpreted trash
imagine writing parts of your code to C
its popular with the skids ;)
python machine learning libraries are written in C++ lol
dont even try
orchid frigate
Another genius enters the chat
understanding that not everything in programming is just high level shit
and pre written libraries
hasty bane
python is high level interpreted trash
tell that to the speed of development lmao
if i want speed i'll just make a module
next lotus
tell that to the speed of development lmao
i'd love to trade a few hours of low level coding to a slower and crapier python script that takes twice the memory and cpu
next lotus
like c'mon man it's not an excuse you dont know how to write C
next lotus
>few hours
a few hours of coding > easy to write but costs more hardware
hasty bane
depends on what you're making
i for example dont care much about memory or cpu because what im doing is pretty simple
orchid frigate
Python is good for making small simple scripts that are like addons
hasty bane
and if i do have to make something fast that eats little memory i will simply write a module
but i dont think there's gonna be anything like that in my project
which is why i went with python
orchid frigate
C is good for making huge programs that require alot of low level access (especially pointers god I love pointers) that python cant give
I rest my case
orchid frigate
rust
I agree
Rust is amazing
It is amazing for both really low high level and high level
hasty bane
wet girder
data science and machine learning and scripting are the biggest use cases for python
you can use it for almost anything but it's not really good at anything else other than what I mentioned
barren shale
yeah
python might be good for something like a project that will help you
if you want to do it quickly
main brook
im mentally dead
for some reason
i lost all ideas
after google, linux, and postgresql
decided to fuck me up
main brook
google be like "hey rei i know its you, but i won't let you access this place because i do not trust you but i trust you if you're on your phone"
linux be like "hey basically so this feature only available for root, and you can't add it unless you do some hacky tacky"
barren shale
google be like "hey rei i know its you, but i won't let you access this place be...
wont it just send you a code
main brook
postgresql be like "fuck you, i won't let you authenticate even though your credentials are correct and i have no password so you don't put a password too but your password is invalid!"
barren shale
sounds like you need to git gud
hasty bane
if you want to do it quickly
That's what im going for
I might replace chunks of its code with Rust modules over time
But rn i just need to actually make it
hoary hound
average #⌨coders-cave humor
hasty bane
make what
it's a game bot
Probably might be unironically too much for python to handle
I'll run some time tests later when i have more features added to see if i need to redo anything
orchid frigate
How
hasty bane
You get PIL
do not use discord embeds they are garbage
Then you just
Make stuff
Using PIL lets you do a lot of shit
gaunt furnace
online mod when
knotty root
Never
orchid frigate
a browser game but not browser
I meant how is it a browser game
Without the browser
spring ridge
I haven't attempted to mod the game yet, so I'm new and confused, but how would I go about viewing the code I need to access in order to make a mod?
orchid frigate
Really excited rn
I finally managed to build a real working image of...not really an os as it doesn't do anything but
A low level program I guess
Which you can burn to a usb and boot I think
Im like 99% positive it works
knotty root
what is that like a computer thingy
anyway
is my thing in my laptop okay?
its a chunky thing
It says hyundai heavy industries on it
hasty bane
how many gigabytes of ram should it take to hack the mainframe?
one should work
covert cipher
humble wasp
hello
hasty bane
Without the browser
Gameplay wise
its similar to a browser game
and i mean a browser game not flash
signal mantle
orchid frigate
I mean NASA sent people to space with 4kb of ram
So 4kb should work to back the mainframe
I decided that
Gamers are too spoiled
So ima play games with 4kb from now on
errant trail
they only said "memes about programmers being hackers" so we can technically discuss how to hack worldbox to spread a malware that spreads really quickly outside of just worldbox players which will make us the most powerful peoples on earth and make the developer of this game be our human puppet (not real) (unless...?)
hollow bronze
they only said "memes about programmers being hackers" so we can technically dis...
read the channel topic
not worldbox related
errant trail
yeah but we can make it for 1 single message
and now all these message are worldbox related because you pointed it out
technically your fault
hollow bronze
Your logic has as many holes as swiss cheese
errant trail
it is as much holes as holess cheese
orchid frigate
this conversation broke apart my 1 braincell
next lotus
I mean NASA sent people to space with 4kb of ram
but like 90% of the stuff that made people go to the moon was mechanical machinery
so like instead of line of codes its like
machine and people
orchid frigate
shhhh
People dont think about these things they just like seeing cool stuff 🤫
also
every since I started using grub as a bootloader I have been making more progress than ever before
I implemented printing in like
an hour
wet girder
I need to list 10 problems for modern sofware for school
I have no idea what to write
main brook
so i just
did something
wacky tacky
*INHALE*
@orchid frigate
i have a good idea
FOR YOUR
EXTRA STORAGE FOR
oh wait actually nevermind
i forgor is for your root
not /home
but anyway
i found a way to mount image files
so i can make it like as a file
that i can transfer to someone else
with permission all okay
i guess a medium is better
but i can use it for my vm
i have this file in /root/disk.img
which has 1 partition
dos table with partition 1 as linux filesystem
after that i just
losetup --show -f -P /root/disk.img
and i find the file outputted from that command
in this case i have /dev/loop0
i also did
mkfs.ext4 /dev/loop0p1 after that
and then what i do is just
mount /dev/loop0p1 /mnt/vdisk
i made sure /mnt/vdisk exist
rocky kernelBOT
You need to create a character first. Use _start
orchid frigate
I just installed kali
main brook
I just installed kali
oki
earnest kiln
Cool
I should have asked my question here
Yeah I had a question for developers
Ok so at least human kingdoms have specific orders that repeat
First blue
Then purple
Etc
However randomly in these lists
They have either mixed colors(pink inside but green borders) or are an obscure color
I know in python you would use two lists and one would be printed and the other would pick a random value from it and randomly through a cycle be placed in it
But you guys use C# so how would you guys do it
Do you also have lists or no?
And if not how do you deal with it
Just curious
In C
Yeah that is what I meant
Ok
So same thing
Just pick a random value from list number 2 and place it randomly in a cycle of the first list
Is that correct
Ok then
That’s cool
If you find out more info about it can you just @ me
Hmm very yesssss
earnest kiln
Hello
Btw for C# what engine does WorldBox run on? That executes the code
I just want to know as I am making my own C# game
And also what are some issues if any so I can account for that
Running issues execution issues etc
Ok
Really
That is interesting
Unity
Hmm
That is interesting I though it was just Java and Python and regular C
Ok
hollow bronze
Bout a milion different ways to shuffle a group of things
next lotus
this is just one line in linq
hollow bronze
Do you also have lists or no?
Most languages share basic things like lists and such.
next lotus
Random random = new();
// your list.
List<string> list = new (){ "one", "two"};
list = list.OrderBy(x => random.Next()).ToList();```as simple as this
hollow bronze
Linq looks more confusing than it is
hollow bronze
?
next lotus
dont see anything confusing
hollow bronze
My first look at linq was that it looked complicated when it wasn't is what I'm saying
In my opinion
Of course having done lots of linq it's straightforward and compact to me now
next lotus
yea
hollow bronze
Especially to someone who has done nothing c# prior
next lotus
it was confusing at first but you'll get it pretty fast
hollow bronze
Yeah
main brook
Most languages share basic things like lists and such.
yes mostly arrays
orchid frigate
Lists? Fuck lists all my homies use arrays and store strings in char pointers
hasty bane
lists are epic!!!
heavy crane
//if play worldbox: dont;
errant trail
wow a comment
next lotus
Lists? Fuck lists all my homies use arrays and store strings in char pointers
fuck arrays, all my homies declare 9000 variables for storing many data
errant trail
fuck arrays, all my homies declare 9000 variables for storing many data
everybody gangsta until memory leak
orchid frigate
fuck arrays, all my homies declare 9000 variables for storing many data
Variables? Fuck variables, all my homies use general purpose registers to store their information
knotty root
Lol
hidden grove
barren shale
```csharp
Random random = new();
// your list.
...
looks slow
next lotus
i dont think he will be using value types, and this is just a one line code yeah it does look slow
glad forge
fuck arrays, all my homies declare 9000 variables for storing many data
lmaooooo relatable
earnest kiln
Most languages share basic things like lists and such.
Ok yeah I only know Python so I wasn’t sure how you guys did it
limpid bone
put mods on android
hasty bane
put eyes on channel topic
spring ember
gib New Zealand pls
main brook
Ok yeah I only know Python so I wasn’t sure how you guys did it
python also has an array
which stores one type
hollow bronze
obviously
barren shale
any async functions or multi threading will cause this
you still get the line of code which is causing the error
knotty root
Hi
orchid frigate
max 10 people
10?!
Damn you are really generous
I would say like
4-5
On a good day
orchid frigate
{code}
Syntax error
On pretty much every language
Or maybe json allows that idk
limber wasp
actually talking abt code
idk
wet girder
Ooh nice, what did you create?
wet girder
Or maybe json allows that idk
nope
Did you make it so the button actives it and you have to press again to deactivate?
wet girder
Did you make it so the button actives it and you have to press again to deactiva...
You should try making this with code. It's really nice introduction to how to program Arduinos
orchid frigate
You can use triple `cpp to have syntax in discord
wet girder
how's everything wired?
orchid frigate
Good enough
wet girder
what was your old program?
wet girder
Isnt it &&
ye
btw you don't need the delay
performance won't be an issue anyway
hmm
been awhile since I've written code to an Arduino but I really can't notice anything wrong
is there any compile errors?
orchid frigate
Idk how relevent this is to the convo but
I did some IO and
Goddamn it sucks
No
No!
I meant like
Doing IO
Idk about the code I dont know arduino
Functions remind me to IO
What I meant was that
IO looks really hard
Alright
Cya
tardy tartan
knotty root
I'm trying to get into coding, any tips or something to get started?
orchid frigate
coding what
a game, a robot, an AI
pretty important because different things require different knowledge
hasty bane
I'm trying to get into coding, any tips or something to get started?
you can start with python
main brook
you can start by looking at fundemental
next lotus
I'm trying to get into coding, any tips or something to get started?
learn C
you should
start with the hardest
python wont get you anywhere, learn C and you'll pretty much know java, c#, c++
errant trail
python will help to learn C because it teaches you the fundamentals before throwing lots of syntax at you
next lotus
what
hasty bane
python is ez. thats why it's good for starters.
errant trail
yeah
if they start with C they would just focus on remembering the syntax they learned more than new things
hasty bane
probably
next lotus
python is ez. thats why it's good for starters.
its good for small scripts here and there
errant trail
and they only need to start with small scripts
next lotus
if they start with C they would just focus on remembering the syntax they learne...
no
learn C and you'll get about everything you need to know about programming
errant trail
learn C and you'll get about everything you need to know about programming
yeah but that is not the problem
errant trail
we are recomending python because it is faster to learn not because it have alot of things
next lotus
but not for the long term
errant trail
but not for the long term
but it gives a head start on learning C and learning C as the first language is gonna be slow af
thats why we say start from python
next lotus
what
errant trail
how is learning python a head start on learning C
they would focus more on the syntax that they learned instead of general things that every language have
*focus more on general things that every language have instead of syntax
wow i had a stroke
next lotus
know the difference between curly brackets and indentations lmao
errant trail
"general things that every language have"
next lotus
they would focus more on the syntax that they learned instead of **general thing...
why the hell would you rather want them to know python's syntax than general things every language have
errant trail
why the hell would you rather want them to know python's syntax than general thi...
bro im saying that they would learn general things that every language have more than syntax if they start at python
because there is less (complex) syntax
errant trail
bro im saying that they would learn general things that every language have more...
this is litterally what im saying almost the entire time 💀
errant trail
why the hell would you rather want them to know python's syntax than general thi...
also i made a mistake on that msg
wet girder
python wont get you anywhere, learn C and you'll pretty much know java, c#, c++
This is one of the most wrong statements I've ever seen in this channel. Python is one of the most in demand languages on the market right now. Sure C teaches you everything but you'll lose motivation to learning fuckin syntax when you'd need to be focusing on learning the basic fundamentals. Something like C# is the best beginner language because it has all the necessary features while not being too hard to learn
errant trail
^^^^
next lotus
This is one of the most wrong statements I've ever seen in this channel. Python ...
lose motivation on what? what "fundamentals" are not on C?
wet girder
lose motivation on what? what "fundamentals" are not on C?
Lose motivation to learn. C is such low level language it's really fucking hard to learn
C has all fundamental but it's too low level for beginners
next lotus
skill issue
hasty bane
^proceeds to make 11 cents a month while we Python Pros do faang data science for 2944927 dollars per minute
hasty bane
know the difference between curly brackets and indentations lmao
arrays
memory management
i think this guy doesn't actually code
he just watched hamza talk about c#, absorbed a lot of jargon and is now shitposting
main brook
see the thing is bill
do you start school at
university
or kindergarten
learning C of course makes you learn almost everything
but of course at a price
in python you learn about more things faster in fundemental
but of course at a price
learning C on starter is like
trying to make a skyscraper as a just graduate architect
imagine if you start growing at puberty
or adulthood
learning from hard to easy works on assignment
so you have the mindset of "the last one after this is gonna be easy"
instead of "shit after this its gonna be hard"
doesn't work like that on learning new things
"shit this is too hard i gave up"
"this is easy to understand but a little bit confusing for me"
also
python can also be used for big script
some major company use it as their web server
and the currently growing web framework
FastAPI
gaining shit tons of popularity
i think people should stop with the "LEARNING [LANGUAGE HERE] IS GOOD FOR BEGINNER" in a way they ignore other opinions and factors
there shit tons of variant you can choose
the more comfortable you are with your language
the more you will learn faster
some people like the non indent and bracket style
so they choose js
some like indentation and simple style
so they use python or ruby
main brook
its e🅱️ix
hasty bane
im waiting for more svelte + fastapi tutorials
main brook
i have one
not official
but works
i basically run svelte on another server
with
the preview (after running build)
and then fastapi on another server
and i link then using nginx
next lotus
^proceeds to make 11 cents a month while we Python Pros do faang data science fo...
"Python Pro" you mean skid?
next lotus
>arrays
>memory management
you have no idea what you're talking about lmfao
imagine being babysitted by a garbage collector
next lotus
fastapi is epic
imagine being so bad you cant write your own webserver
next lotus
some major company use it as their web server
ever heard of microsoft, google, amazon using python as webserver? who in their right mind will
main brook
Yes, Google has been a long-time supporter and user of the Python programming language, which is one of the official server-side languages at the company, in addition to C++, Java, and Go. ... Today dozens of Google engineers use Python, and we're looking for more people with skills in this language
:D
next lotus
> Yes, Google has been a long-time supporter and user of the Python programming ...
oh my god did you just quoted yourself to answer that
main brook
that's from google
next lotus
google's webserver is written in C++
main brook
Some of our critical tools are written in Python
microsoft
probably not directly in the webserver
but its used
just because it uses C/C++ doesn't make it more superior
next lotus
> Some of our critical tools are written in Python
microsoft
where did you even get this
main brook
it just makes it good in demanding environment
errant trail
@next lotus bro you are like recomending a university textbook for a kindergartner
next lotus
<@725249483868471378> bro you are like recomending a university textbook for a k...
you sound like the person who doesnt read docs and rely on stackoverflow
next lotus
why the fuck is there shit tons of language
python is written on C
errant trail
"this kid should learn how to build reusable rockets"
"but he is still a kindergartener so we should give him easier book to read so he will learn faster"
"no this textbook have more things than everything in his bag combined so this is better for him"
main brook
so is almost all buildings
next lotus
nope
main brook
"this kid should learn how to build reusable rockets"
"but he is still a kinderg...
nice analogy
just
choose language you're comfortable with
errant trail
yeah
main brook
if you hate learning in school because its not interesting for you but you still have to
you can literally suicide from stress
next lotus
ok let me guess, you guys are self taught
errant trail
nah
next lotus
it all makes sense now
main brook
you're like on of those neighbor kids i hate
cause they do extra classes
they're entitled that they're smarter than anyone else
and their way
is the best
if we learn by ourselves
they would scream at us
saying we will be stupid forever
i feel like bill is taught to have
"C is best language"
mindset
from their tutor
errant trail
yeah
main brook
my brother got taught Java in his first day of university
my friend got taught Pascal
my other friend starts with python
it varies
but all will end in 1 thing
knowing the fundemental
main brook
imagine being babysitted by a garbage collector
@barren shale
orchid frigate
Bill gates
I think im in love
Also dangerous opinion: i dont think c# is much different than C or cpp
In terms of difficulty
main brook
C# is interpreted isn't it?
next lotus
C# is interpreted isn't it?
there is IL
main brook
what's IL
orchid frigate
But what I stand by is
next lotus
alr im sorry the first language taught to us by my university was C
orchid frigate
Cpp and C are basically on the exact same level of difficulty
next lotus
then from C we worked our to way to python
orchid frigate
I can back that up by saying
errant trail
alr im sorry the first language taught to us by my university was C
explains everything and i predicted that earlier (just didnt say it)
orchid frigate
In the past few months I have been writing basically only cpp or C
orchid frigate
Yea
errant trail
he retired from mod to crab
main brook
왜
orchid frigate
Decided to not be a mod anymore
main brook
In the past few months I have been writing basically only cpp or C
no assembly?
main brook
then from C we worked our to way to python
usually the case
but your uni is better than my brother
main brook
he got taught java -> php -> js -> linux -> python
orchid frigate
I started using grub as my bootloader
So very little assembly needed
Only when im doing very low level stuff
main brook
nice
hasty bane
imagine being babysitted by a garbage collector
imagine spending 5x the dev time just to avoid memory leaks
if arrogance is something they teach in CS uni i am NOT going for a degree
...unless the guy is shitposting
actually it's not shitposting I shouldn't call it that
i should call it hamzaposting
anyway was c your first language?
barren shale
python will help to learn C because it teaches you the fundamentals before throw...
Python and C are not even slightly similar
hasty bane
Python and C are not even slightly similar
p sure he meant fundamentals of coding and just all programming languages in general
errant trail
Python and C are not even slightly similar
im not saying about learning syntax lol
barren shale
p sure he meant fundamentals of coding and just all programming languages in gen...
Yeah but you will get confused
hasty bane
oh yeah
barren shale
im not saying about learning syntax lol
They are not similar in all aspects
hasty bane
the angle isn't as steep though
barren shale
They are different type of programming languages with very different syntax
barren shale
the angle isn't as steep though
It is
errant trail
p sure he meant fundamentals of coding and just all programming languages in gen...
this
hasty bane
is it?
barren shale
C is procedural when python is object oriented
hasty bane
o rite
barren shale
If you are new to programming switching is very hard
hasty bane
cpp has objects
barren shale
Even if you are not it’s still hard
hasty bane
idk
barren shale
Also the syntax is completely different
errant trail
bro im saying that they would learn general things that every language have more...
general things that every language have
hasty bane
i did rust
barren shale
i did rust
That’s object oriented
barren shale
> **general things that every language have**
Yeah then go C++ or C#
Procedural programming isn’t the very popular nowadays
It’s mostly pop
Oop
errant trail
Yeah then go C++ or C#
bro this is just going to be the same argument as the last argument here
it is slower to learn than python
barren shale
It doesn’t make any sense to start with C
Just start with any object oriented language
Nothing else
hasty bane
hmm
barren shale
You will confuse yourself more if you don’t
hasty bane
@barren shale do you think learning some c is worth it?
barren shale
Depends on what you want
hasty bane
main brook
i think