dnd-discussion

[lusty tendon]

still pretty good for both plant growth and spike growth, spike growth is used on goblins and/or rats, while plant groth makes it where no one is walking through those brambles for a bit

[uneven stone]

no i mean like using spike growth and then yeeting ur enemies through there with repelling blast/grasp of hadar, or weapons with the push property and the crusher feat in 2024

[still plover]

Yes. The infamous sea witch De Vor of Tycheros is the grandmother of Lady Reylana Ilphelkiir. Both warlocks, too, but De Vor was a tiefling while Reylana came out as variant human.

[uneven stone]

its a LOT of free extr damage for a lvl 2 spell slot

[lusty tendon]

i have my boy Sir' F'Arthur dandywood, (aka. F'Art) and his grandson, Sir' Alester F'Arthur Beauregard, (its a noble family of eldritch knights)

[uneven stone]

or just grappling and walking through there

[robust juniper]

with plant growth u can just use a seed, throw it at ur targets mouth and cast it

[lusty tendon]

oh yeah thats a good combo, and the extra they can only move half with damage added, a tad busted but still good

[twilit sail]

Believe it or not theyre all sorcerers

||Haha no just kidding||

[lusty tendon]

you still take damage from it tho

[uneven stone]

there is probably some way around that idk

[lusty tendon]

flight, but no damage to your enemy when grappled but as a dm id personally let you fly over it while they dangle into the brambles

[empty thicket]

I kinda did that with one, first i had his offspring and in another campaign were the setting is dinosaurs and stuff like that i did the same but saying is his ancestor

[robust juniper]

okay so technically my guy would be a fighter but also a barbarian cause rage but also knows two wind magic spells

what the hell is my oc as a dnd character

[empty thicket]

and both share the same name, because is "Harood" (Hard Wood)

[lusty tendon]

barbarian/fighter/monk is my best guess

[sour folio]

I once tried to get a DM to allow me to acid sphere for additional damage because I summoned the sphere inside my targets esophagus, that didn't work out though.

[robust juniper]

ooo that could work

[lusty tendon]

line of sight is what id rule

[lusty tendon]

but cant cast while raging, so id personally go for more of an eldritch knight/barbarian even though it isnt optimised much

[warm meadow]

You hit the mouse until it gets scared when it sees you

[empty thicket]

add rogue because why not

All martials

[lusty tendon]

"john martial"

[robust juniper]

fun fact the spells he knows are one that lets u make items into floating objects and one that lets him remove air resistance from him or from objects

[still plover]

Or just do eldritch knight. Flavour your spells as raging battlecries and feats of martial prowess.

[lusty tendon]

that is what i like and maybe have a little barbarian in it for reckless attack if you wnat

[still plover]

Mage hand and what, catapult?

[lusty tendon]

levitation and haste?

[robust juniper]

he has canonically killed himself twice from using no air resistance on his sword.

😭

how do i explain it its not like it just makes him or the object fast, the spell in theory literally removes air resistance as a factor to the applied

[lusty tendon]

bruh my oc is just a shadowy homunculus, who wants to find his original body as he is like a paladin who is a ghost in a suit of crusader armor

[lusty tendon]

so extra damage or what exactly

[robust juniper]

my dude is a 18 yr old who has split personality syndrome (exactly like the movie split)

who got sent to the world of skyrim because his other personality tried to hit on a mage

😭

[robust juniper]

well yeah it gives extra damage

but not directly

since the air resistance is nullified

he hits faster and harder

[sour folio]

Homebrewing stuff for my campaign is whats making me stressed out, sorry. Trying to balance things and make sure it functions right in D and D beyond.

[lusty tendon]

ok so maybe take the feat fey touched (my personal favorite) it gives you a once per long rest free cast of misty step teleport, and one spell of level 1 of your choice of enchantment or divination, personally id take either hex or hunters mark with it

[robust juniper]

homebrew stuff is kinda hard if u do a lot

[lusty tendon]

please tell me how you do it, i have no idea how to do it for my players

[robust juniper]

OOO

[lusty tendon]

you can also cast those if you have the spell slots to cast them lv 2 and 1 respectively

[rough basalt]

Biggest guideline of homebrew is that it won't always be perfect made from the getgo

[ornate rapids]

Fey Touched is Divination or Enchantment

[sour folio]

The stuff I've homebrewed are a few races. Currently trying to balance out 'pokeball' type capture items and figuring out how much they should cost/how rare they are.

[lusty tendon]

mb i forgor hex is enchantment rathet than necromancy

[uneven stone]

if you can have repelling blast and grasp of hadar on the same eldritch blast, iit essentially gets an 8d4 damage rider yk

[ornate rapids]

That being said Shadow Touched allows you to pick from Necromancy (and Illusion)

[sour folio]

I'm basically doing my own book for a campaign so I've got a few custom races, items, etc.

[lusty tendon]

honestly i can never make my mind up on shadow touched,

i love the invisibility but what do you pick for the lv1 spell

[rough basalt]

Ah yeah that's a colossal undertaking. But I wouldn't do it just for one campaign imo

You don't wanna get burnt out

[ornate rapids]

I've never taken Shadow Touched so I'm unsure
Disguise Self is probably not a bad one if you don't have it otherwise though

[rough basalt]

Like I have two, and they're for settings I plan on using again in the future.

[lusty tendon]

i mean sometimes i take false life other wise, i just dont take it as invisibility is great but i honestly it never comes up for me

[sour folio]

I plan on doing it similar to how Critical Role has there stuff, its its own world called Omnion which is where our normal mundane world has a cataclysm that sunders timelines and fuses science with magic. It has isekai aspects and the like. Very niche type of campaign that anime lovers I think will enjoy.

[twilit sail]

Mask of many faces 🤤

[rough basalt]

Ah alright so your own setting. I'm guessing you plan on using it for future games as well?

If so then making a book for it is a worthy colossal undertaking if you really want it.

[sour folio]

Yeah, doing livestreams when I playtest it. It's also kinda inspired me wanting to write a series leading up to the cataclysm, like someone from our world gets teleported into another world but fails to prevent the cataclysm and leads to this whole situationship.

[rough basalt]

Just make sure you're pacing yourself alright. I'm currently several months into my own campaign in my setting I started making last fall and my book is still very much a WIP. Tho I only started making the book in March or April I think.

[robust juniper]

also is it possible to use a sword as a hoverboard

[rough basalt]

Don't wanna overwork yourself and get burnt out.

[sour folio]

Yeah, I haven't been able to work on it for the last two months cause I was working on an editing job.

[ornate rapids]

Telekinesis spell and some good balancing skills

[robust juniper]

yhh probably

[ornate rapids]

I play exclusively with a friend group and am in two campaigns set in different and fully custom settings
I would definitely make a book's work of content for the world idea I have in mind for my own

[robust juniper]

i have ideas for a rated r dnd cjaracter lore book

[sinful dust]

earlier i was thinking that the current dnd structure might still be a bit lacking in the organization of levels 1-20, not like it's missing something but rather most parties will never see late game as WOTC intended it to be because the DM either refuses to deal with broken things or the story reaches its natural end sooner

like, maybe this isnt the case for some tables but it's a recurring thing in the games where im present

[sour folio]

Book of Vile Deeds, 3.5e. They went pretty dark their.

[sinful dust]

it'd be nice to have a game structure where reaching maximum level is considered normal for the average party

[rough basalt]

I've been slacking on it somewhat.

At least compared to before.

Lack of hyperfixation power gets in the way.

[crimson gulch]

The funny thing is it's not broken, it all works RAW.

Most of my parties think hitting 20 is normal because we have done it

[twilit shell]

I feel like above lv 13 is when it starts to get less fun to run? Not sure if thats the exact turning point

[ornate rapids]

im lucky in that the campaigns im in do go to higher level and stretch over years of real life play
the first campaign was levels 1-15, the second one which concluded went from 3 - 19 and we have a level 20 timeskipped postgame mini campaign happening after it
and one campaign I'm in now is at level 13 so far and will likely get to 20 before it ends in a couple years

[sour folio]

That's where I am trying to differentiate with my campaign cause I am homebrewing mechanic's so players don't have to do combat sessions, if they wanna just be an artisan they can post quests for materials to get from party members and then get experience and expertise utilizing their downtime to get experience.

[crimson gulch]

No its still very fun above 13

[twilit shell]

Oh yeah still fun, just feels like fun has peaked and it is a downward trajectory from there

[rough basalt]

It's pretty fun to run past 13, there's just issues a lot of tables have that really start hitting in t3 and t4.

[crimson gulch]

You just need to keep your spellcasters in check by following the rules of spellcasting properly

And having enough encounters to challenge the party

[sinful dust]

ohh i wish to see that one day

[uneven stone]

are there people who dont? wdym?

[rough basalt]

People not learning their sheet, DM not having the balance experience cause they avoid it like the plague cause YTers tell them to.

[sinful dust]

but how do you deal with super late level spells urizt?

like lvl 8 and 9 stuff that bends reality and such

[rough basalt]

There's a lot of tables where DMs ignore crucial balancing factors of dnd and their games suffer greatly for it

[crimson gulch]

Yeah, and they have one slot per day

[twilit shell]

I have run a few 3-20 campaigns and it certainly becomes harder later on to craft meaningful combats depending on party composition. Still fun, but 5-9 feels like peak DnD to me

[crimson gulch]

So it barely comes up

[uneven stone]

why dont they just.. not.. ignore it?

[rough basalt]

Laziness.

[crimson gulch]

So many folks don't even read all the rules and then say it's broken and dosent work

[rough basalt]

There's a lot of dnd players who want DnD to be a ruleslite vibe based system and run it as such.

[crimson gulch]

When they have been hitting the gas with the parking break on

[rough basalt]

Then get angry when it doesn't work well cause it's not intended to be.

[uneven stone]

thats dumb

[rough basalt]

Actually a pretty good analogy

[hot reef]

The ways many tables play may not mesh with intended balancing. Such as only having a single encounter per day, balance of magic items and gold as rewards, etc

[ornate rapids]

because our group's campaigns do stretch over years of play and go to Tiers 3 & 4 I always plan long-term for how my characters will play at those higher levels

[rough basalt]

Like as much as WotC wants to say DnD is a "rulings over rules" it's a system where choosing rulings over rules too much leads to issues in the game.

[crimson gulch]

I have brought 7 campaigns to level 20 in the past 5 years, a lot of games end in the 10 go 15 range too naturally after solving the plot but raw 5e is strong and durable

[twilit shell]

NGL I think the harder part of higher tier play is maintaining economy

[rough basalt]

Yeah in order to do high level dnd, players need to know how to play and how to read their sheet and understand it.

[twilit shell]

Which has always been a 5e weak point in my opinion because there is just so little guidance on handling it

[rough basalt]

Players who take 5 to 10 minutes for turns at low levels cause they won't learn the rules or their sheet can't be in groups that go to high levels cause that 5 to 10 minutes will turn to 20 to 30, or more.

And that's a lot of dnds playerbase which has given the rise that high level dnd can't work.

[uneven stone]

im always just surprised that there are people who dont know their character sheet

[rough basalt]

There's a lot of bad habits that this community allows in players that lead to a lot of perceived issues.

[rough basalt]

It's pretty common

[ornate rapids]

the only active level 20 character I have right now, a Lore Mastery Wizard, is still kept in check because the threats that party faces have just been that strong and challenges that can't just be auto-solved by throwing spells at them. A lot of enemies that party has faced in Tier 4 were magic resistant at minimum, with extra stuff on top of that

[rough basalt]

One such bad habit I mentioned is that people allow players to rely solely on the DM to handle the game for them.

They just show up and roll the dice.

[twilit sail]

I am the most impulsive dnd player in the world

[uneven stone]

like "I can name every spell, stat, proficiency, and other features of my character from the top of my head, and you just, dont know what your to hit bonus is????"

[rough basalt]

To be frank, there's a not small number of 5e players that are just being selfish and a lot of them don't realize it.

[twilit sail]

"This isnt going to be a combat session"

Ha jokes on you dm

I cast eldritch blast

[blissful ibex]

Social Pillar is just political combat
Exploration Pillar is just PVE combat

every session is a combat session

[sour folio]

I'm the chaos monkey whenever I play D and D. I try to keep the DM on their toes. I had a DM once upon a time in a 3.5e campaign far, far away who decied he wanted to do a gestalted campaign. So their I was, a 6th level half-orc monk/ninja infected with lycanthropy. Shennanigans happened.

[uneven stone]

im actually playing a

trigger warning

eldritch blastless 5e warlock atm, i know, im crazy

[twilit sail]

2014 blastless warlock?

[uneven stone]

ye

[twilit sail]

You scare me

[uneven stone]

not even as an op race or anything to cancel it out

just a silly lil guy without the blast

also no darkness/devilsight type shit

[crimson gulch]

Not really an issue there either when you do it raw

Players blow whole dragon s hoards on potions of Supreme healing

When you are running challenging enough combats

[empty thicket]

A gnome with gigantism would be dwarf sized?

[ornate rapids]

Our level 20 party controls an entire kingdom now, so ruining the world economy would be bad for our people

[empty thicket]

that sound problematic
like all of them take care of it or how it work?

[rough basalt]

As my Monday game gets higher levels, it'll be interesting to keep challenging them.

[feral fulcrum]

Usually it's not even new players, it's just lazy people that just want to roll dice and screw around and just don't care in general.

[rough basalt]

Yeah and a lot of the time they're the ones who flake out on sessions for no reason to

Usually if you start cracking down on them being lazy

I remember I had a dude not use a spell for like 2 levells

Cause he forgot that a Bard is a spellcaster

[ornate rapids]

two of the party members are its actual rulers, King & Queen, after we slayed the god-king who was controlling it (and the world)
my Wizard is the royal Wizard & headmaster of the country's Mage's College
our Rogue is the country's greatest spy, and the fifth member...well I guess he doesn't control the kingdom with us, he's more allied with the Elves across the sea

[uneven stone]

im crying

[rough basalt]

All he did every turn was stab with Rapier or Firebolt

[uneven stone]

we have a shifter in my party of which im pretty sure they forgot they can shift

[twilit sail]

Firebolt is a spell?

[warm meadow]

Haha that sounds like absolute chaos in the best way a gestalt monk ninja lycanthrope must've been wild
How did the DM even handle that?

[rough basalt]

Yep

[little stream]

Was it an item, hello?

[twilit sail]

How does he not know that hes a spellcaster if hes using cantrips

[uneven stone]

how did he level up

without spells?

[rough basalt]

Idk, I'm surprised I didn't have to do it for him.

[rough basalt]

Never got an answer

He eventually just stopped showing up cause he forgot he was in a dnd game I assume.

[uneven stone]

some people deserve to be sacrificed to tiamat omd

[rough basalt]

I wasted so much time on that dude

[feral fulcrum]

Cantrips are spells, yes.

[rough basalt]

Dude would go weeks without running a session for a weekly campaign cause "I'm too busy I didn't prep" and you look at his discord and he spent all week playing Eve Online or Helldivers 2

[sour folio]

Eventually he isolated my monk with a trap and I had to solo a demigod, and winning was not the right course of action. I had the option to try and basically survive for a duration, or dominate the fight and win. I chose the latter, and ended up becoming the demigod of the plane of Chaos in his campaign and my character was trapped there. So on occasion i'll bring in avatars of chaos as representatives of that old character if a story starts to stagnant.

[rough basalt]

Worst part is, it was a module game.

[regal finch]

is there like an upgraded version of the mending cantrip? fix bigger breaks, bigger objects, etc

[ornate rapids]

to be fair Eve Online is a second job

[little stream]

"yea sure let's fight a demigod"

[sour folio]

When my character, who by the way was a lycanthropic BEAR, ripped a tree out of the ground and used Greater Leap whilst holding the tree like a lance and impaled his BBE, he kinda got tired of shennanigans.

[rough basalt]

I don't care. Either run the damn game or stop it.

[ornate rapids]

[warm meadow]

That's wild so your character basically became part of the setting permanently, How do your players usually react when you bring in those chaos avatars??

[sour folio]

Yeah, that was basically my mentality was just 'eh, why the hell not i'm getting bored anyway.' To this day I will not do a gestalt campaign again, they're just too broken if you don't have the right DM to balance combat sessions.

[rough basalt]

Tho cause of him I did adopt a new internal rule.

[robust juniper]

i got silenced for saying the silly h word 😭

[rough basalt]

No more beer and pretzel players

[feral fulcrum]

TO be even more fair, it takes minimal effort to show up prepared to a session if you've got a full week, or more.

[rough basalt]

Also it was a module

With no HB alterations, no extra work, just straight as written for good and ill.

[ornate rapids]

indeed and even as a player i spend like 10-20 minutes looking over my character sheet & spells before a session so I am better prepared to use what I have

[sour folio]

Most of the time they don't even realize it until after the fact. Like one campaign he was this old shopkeep that kept overcharging the party 'for a good rate' and the rogue tried pockpocketing him.

[feral fulcrum]

Ten Minutes tops for the most option-rich levelups, if someone can't be bothered to take ten Minutes out of a week...why the heck are they even bothering to show up?

[rough basalt]

Cause dice clack whenever bored

[sour folio]

I doodle so I'm not distracting.

[rough basalt]

Nah I mean those types of people only care to run or play when they got "nothing better to do" and they're bored.

[empty thicket]

i only need 5, im a fighter and have few stuff for now

and i remember all i have so im good

[dim flicker]

oh this would piss me off

[sleek cloud]

Justified crashout

[warm meadow]

Lol, that's actually amazing, your players probably realized way too late they were dealing with a chaos demigod disguised as a grumpy shopkeeper

[still plover]

Hey now. Hey. EVE is serious business. /hj

[sour folio]

Probably one my my favorite campaign books was Book of Vile darkness from 3.5e. I had a vasharan monk/Mortal Hunter who was trying to fight the deicide urge's inherent with that race. About third level he took a class in ranger, by fifth level I prestiged him into a mortal hunter.

[rough basalt]

Yep. That's why "no more beer and pretzel gamers" is part of my internal rules.

[sour folio]

Yeah, it was kinda peak when the rogue realized mistakes were made.

[rough basalt]

Life's too short to have to play the game for people.

[sour folio]

Their bard got lucky with a nat 20 on his persuasion roll so I of course had to honor it and just banned the party from that keepers shop so they basically had to relocate their home base.

[dim flicker]

can't think of anything outside of spamming alternating transmutation spells like mold earth + shape water + stone shape + extract iron + heat metal

[warm meadow]

Haha, those are always the best moments in D&D when the rogue realizes they messed with the wrong person

[barren badger]

I totally agree with your feelings, but can I ask what you mean specifically by this phrase

[robust juniper]

i think my highest roll was on one i had to make a roll for how fast i would move in a split second with no resistance whatsoever to the speed

that was sadly a nat 20

[little stream]

Fun is eye of beholder something something ig

[inner silo]

Has it happened to you where you dislike every character you play?

[dim flicker]

@barren badger these types i believe

[robust juniper]

gonzalez the speedy rogue did not enjoy getting spaghetized because he ran too fast 🥲

[barren badger]

That makes sense. I was curious where the beer and pretzels bit came from.

[dim flicker]

i'll wait til sora answers that but personally, if i'm drinking during a game, it's a game i'm not taking any seriously at all! dont care abt what happens to it

[still plover]

Never.

[jolly canyon]

I think a type of player base that doesn't take the game seriously and are purely killing time. Just my assumption though I will not put words in Sora's mouth. I'll let them explain it

[robust juniper]

ive played only two so far, gonzalez the speedy rogue and drax the alcoholic dragon born

and both were peak

drax died cause i missed a "will you choke on ur drink" roll

[inner silo]

Sound cool!

[barren badger]

Ugh. That would be frustrating.

Thank you! (Thank you @jolly canyon too!)

[robust juniper]

i havent played in a while cause college and being busy

but im hoping soon enough ill play a campaign with some friends

and im using my oc as character

thats why i asked for help earlier

[empty thicket]

if everybody is drinking and is in that way okey
If only one is doing it...is like playing soccer with the friends and only one drink while playing

[dim flicker]

yes very much agreed. dnd over drinks should be a group activity imo, cos otherwise it just sucks for everyone else who has to deal with the tipsy guy taking too long on their turns & not knowing what's happening in rp

[robust juniper]

i watched on a stream this silly challenge where if someone landed a crit fail 1

they would have to drink 10 shots of pure tequila

[dim flicker]

im rooting for you buddy, it's the most fun you can have with friends wishing you lotsa great games with your best buds!!

[barren badger]

I personally dislike drinking during dnd, maybe it’s because I normally DM but it just makes me anxious

[graceful orbit]

if your bard is the only one drinking, you dont have a very good bard...i said what i said

[robust juniper]

people wwre sweating halfway cause of how low the rolls were coming

[empty thicket]

i dont drink in general and even in rare ocassios, but its a scenario that could happen

[warm meadow]

Ah, nice, that's always the best feeling when you’re planning a return campaign. What kind of OC are you thinking of using, same chaotic energy or something different this time

[robust juniper]

thxx

[robust juniper]

well my guy has died to falling on his own sword so take a guess

[dim flicker]

yeah, i love my fair share of alcohol but i'm absolutely staying sober when i'm dming! there's already so much to track as it is, i can't have that brain fog cos players rely on you for pacing stuff ><

[dim flicker]

must've been fun

[empty thicket]

and i dont think is a good sign drinking 7am....

[regal finch]

not really what i was looking for, very unfortunate

[robust juniper]

and thats not even his dumbest death 💀

[dim flicker]

how in the world??

[warm meadow]

Wait, how do you even manage that? I need the full story now. Was it an accident or one of those D&D logic went wild moments

[sour folio]

Nat 1?

[restive osprey]

hello

[robust juniper]

i rolled a nat 1 on a "go for a walk" roll

[restive osprey]

did your walk end at the bottom of a well? 🤣

[robust juniper]

the dm made him trip on a rock

[restive osprey]

damnn

[robust juniper]

my oc is affected by murphy's law

ill just leave it at that.

[warm meadow]

Lol, that's actually hilarious what went wrong if you just end up tripping over your own shoes, or did the universe say ‘not today

[frosty sequoia]

in my universe, there are no spell levels. the spells you learn depend upon your teacher.

it's wholly possible for a new character to know Fireball

casting it is a whole other thing

when you try, at 1st level, and roll a Nat 1... well, it's gotta manifest somewhere

[robust juniper]

also fun fact when he got sent to the world of skyrim he smh lost his shirt in the process, and the first thing he found was a dead guy with a cool cloak and a weird geode like white orb which he took

[barren badger]

Do players roll a spell check?

[frosty sequoia]

I have a system for 'overcasting.'

[robust juniper]

he heard a voice coming from everywhere say "a new hand touches the beacon" but he thought it was just alter ego tibu messing with him

[warm meadow]

Wait, that's actually a really cool system, so it's more about mentorship and training than leveling up. Does that mean two characters at the same stage can be wildly different depending on their teachers

[frosty sequoia]

Of course, not always bad. There was the time a 3rd level cast a Wish spell... and it worked.

[sleek cloud]

What’s everyone’s most memorable description of attacking an enemy

[robust juniper]

slipping and slicing a goblin in half accidentaly

[undone rain]

I feel like gish subclasses (like bladesinger, eldritch knight etc etc) are just half casters in disguise. Yk with booming blade and all. Only thing is most of their "enhanced weapon" spells are just cantrips but ey still

[frosty sequoia]

The most fun player demise I ever experienced was knocking off Gary Gygax at GenCon 1 with a color puzzle trap.

He was not happy.

[robust juniper]

hey i had to get throguh a whole campaign from start to end with the mimic curse

[frosty sequoia]

That would have been fun.

I just read about that yesterday.

[robust juniper]

i managed to survive a mimic structure by going trough one of its windows (eyes).

[barren badger]

Half caster or half martial?

*tap forehead*

[barren badger]

EK is technically quarter caster I think. Based on spell progression

[sleek cloud]

I mean, bladesinger is definitely a full caster still since they get full spell progression, they just happen to also get some spicy martial benefits

I should build a bladesinger

[umbral girder]

1/3

[reef tundra]

I hope the second version of the warrior of the mystic arts subclass will be cooler

I quite like the third caster subclasses but mystic arts never had anything that made it special or make it still feel like part of the class unlike EK and AT

[feral fulcrum]

Bladesinger is abolutely not a half caster in disguise, given that it's on Wizard.

[reef tundra]

I’m dying for a sorcerer gish subclass

-# Oh wait a minute I’m making my own, shout out to the hellblade sorcery subclass 😎/j

[errant crag]

My friend is having issues with his game and his players

[reef tundra]

Always sad to hear. What’s up?

[barren badger]

Oh? What's going on?

[errant crag]

His players wanna side with the BBEG, an evil monstrous demon woman, and want to work with her to overthrow the monarchy that they're working for

I told him he needs to stop always having his players work for big overarching monarchies and governments, because it's inherently unsympathetic

[frosty sequoia]

My kinda players.

[errant crag]

Because he always does this in his games

[still plover]

They all want it?

[frosty sequoia]

And who decided they were evil?

The rebels in SWs were evil.

[jolly canyon]

Hmm seems your friend may have backed themselves into a corner. I think.. I think you let them do it. Unless they established ahead of time no evil characters and siding with this BBEG is obviously evil and would get alot of people killed

[errant crag]

He's set her up as the BBEG so he did

I told him to have her betray the PCs that want to side with her

[jolly canyon]

Good idea yea

Let them side and let the BBEG use amd attempt to get rid of them.

So not only do all the bad stuff happen that they are responsible for they don't even win with the BBEG anyway

[errant crag]

And he should probably stop having the players work for big unsympathetic monarchies and governments

[frosty sequoia]

Yes, because this group easily switches sides. Set them up. Prison for them all.

[errant crag]

He does this in a lot of his games and it hampers their buy-in

[jolly canyon]

Yeaa.. Definitely self inflicted issue it seems. But this could be a good thing with the betrayal bit

Sounds fun tbh

[errant crag]

My suggestion was that she turns PCs who genuinely want to side with her into Lemures and then he tells them to make characters who wouldn't side with the BBEG, but that this was an admittedly heavy handed approach to it

And that he should probably only do that as a last resort and that he should probably talk to the players first

[still plover]

The people yearn to make change in the world.

[robust juniper]

wha-

[errant crag]

3/4 of the party want it

[minor cargo]

Most of my friends would probably also be very anti-monarchy.

If I wanted to do that story, I might start with a quick For the Queen game. It’s by no means pro monarchy, but it certainly would paint the government in a way that feels real and grounded. It would not be wholly evil or good, but a complex power structure. And in that, we can tell our stories.

Obviously that doesn’t help your friend, but sharing a general thought.

[errant crag]

Semi unrelated to my friends game, but: My thought process is that it's a fantasy world, I can have a good ideal monarchy that players would want to fight in favor of with good honorable rulers and such, but most people don't do that. They want to adhere to the realism of corrupt monarchies and depressing circumstances for common folks, but in a fantasy world we have the opportunity to create an ideal world that is worth fighting to preserve in the face of evil.

I understand why most people don't want to do that, but it is a route that is available to take in D&D.

If he wants to insist on having players serve a monarchy or governing faction, he has to make them good and sympathetic, or at least make the opposition so obviously evil that no virtuous character would want to work for them and swap sides.

[frosty sequoia]

I have a 'you are here' chart each party gets three rolls on at the beginning of the game which decides where they start their adventuring.

[halcyon bison]

i have a corrupt and evil monarchy in my game, its just that right now they're at war with a faction that is worse

but I also intend to give the party the option to side with someone else if they want

[shut lance]

@errant crag if you really want to screw with them have them come across a village that is being attacked by forest spirits.
The spirits are aggressive because the town is destroying the forest, killing their homes so they can expand and thrive.
But the people are honestly just.. people. Not noble, not evil. They NEED to land and the wood to have a stable home.

no great evil, and both sides have valid points. No choice is obviously right or wrong

[halcyon bison]

I think that's the best option when you have evil governments that the players are expected to serve: just let them fight against it if they choose

[errant crag]

Well that's not how he has his game set up and he isn't ready to course correct that hard into a revolution plot

[severe rampart]

Hello everybody good morning

[restive osprey]

what are westmarch games?

[halcyon bison]

Hello Echo :>

[severe rampart]

Uh oh, someone build the tower of babel?

[shut lance]

guten tag

I dont know much german

[lusty tendon]

Idk why but i still believe echo knight fighter or eldritch knight are the best fighter subclasses

[severe rampart]

English only server so uhh

[minor cargo]

I think there’s a command for west marches?

[shut lance]

but I try to be polite

[severe rampart]

Echoes are cool.

(totally unbiased opinion)

[halcyon bison]

Maybe they don't have to do a full on revolution, maybe they can get the ability to fix some of the issues from within

[frosty sequoia]

Ah well, time to walk the puppy and chase squirrels.

[minor cargo]

In general, it’s a type of game with multiple DMs who don’t have set groups. Games occur with potentially changing PCs. And the story continues even if people aren’t there.

It’s very interesting. Not for everyone but good for a lot of players. ✌️

[lusty tendon]

I just feel like battle master is fighter with extra stuff, just kinda better but not much of a difference

[halcyon bison]

i really liked battle master when I played it

[lusty tendon]

Like magic does scale like crazy especially the buffing magic, and echo knight fighter lets for unique effects and 2 things on the board

[restive osprey]

first of all, thank you 🤣 and would you recommend it to players who've never played DnD before?

[lusty tendon]

Maybe i just didnt have the best experience with the battle master, as my dm didnt give any magic weapons

[errant crag]

It'll probably be easier to learn in a more typical D&D format

But Westmarches tend to be more accessible in terms of getting games/playing set up

[halcyon bison]

that's annoying :<

[twilit sail]

i am playing forge cleric for my saturday session

so i will provide the +1 weapon

[jolly canyon]

WM was my first gamestyle I've played. It's ok if you really aren't looking for full commitment yet but I recommend a normal game if you can commit to a set schedule

[halcyon bison]

It would be a lot easier to actually get into if you don't have any other campaigns you can join, and there's less commitment required. But it's a much different experience from a long term campaign

[proper forum]

I... I'm mad at myself for being bad at D&D. And I know that my friends I play with aren't mad at me but I don't want to keep disappointing them.

[restive osprey]

yeah I think i'd prefer a longer term campaign

[twilit sail]

wdym by bad at dnd

[proper forum]

Like last fight I lost a lot of health because I didn't realize that I could take cover to avoid being shot with arrows

[twilit sail]

90% of this game is up to random chance

[twilit sail]

so? live and learn

[proper forum]

And a lot of the times I just forget I have half of my abilities until it's too late

[jolly canyon]

That's OK. Lots of players forget to use cover. When you're not playing in a 3d space it's easy to forget about.

[hot reef]

don't sweat it, being suboptimal in combat isn't a big deal
just try to gradually improve

[proper forum]

I keep making the same mistakes after 3 years. Am I unable to learn?

[hot reef]

it may help to explore different formats of character sheets

[twilit sail]

i prefer digital character sheets
i always have access to everything my char can do

and its in big neat text

https://dicecloud.com/character/sPHALytgWhLBTkpvm/Mary 😄

[jolly canyon]

You can write down notes or cards reminding you to try different options. Keep it in front of you at all times instead of trying to remember everything

[proper forum]

Bro we literally play on roll 20 we HAVE to use digital character sheets

[jolly canyon]

Note cards and what not

[twilit sail]

oh

[proper forum]

I just have ZERO memory and cannot remember everything I have and when it is optimal to use it

[ornate rapids]

I use google sheets documents for character sheets

[jolly canyon]

On a sticky note write "Use Cover!!" And put it on your monitor or TV.

[hot reef]

what class/level?

[twilit sail]

i feel like what class youre playing is pretty pertinent here

[hot reef]

an extra monitor could also help if you have one lying around

[summer lichen]

Is there an actual way to speak in draconic

Like pronunciations

[proper forum]

Like I didn't remember I have accursed specter until the middle if the fight when I could have used it in the beginning of the fight when I killed an enemy, and if I had done that maybe me and the ranger wouldn't have fainter three times each

[proper forum]

According to Baldur's Gate 3, it's throat signing

[summer lichen]

Dman

[hot reef]

It's not a complete language, but there may be an alphabet, guides to the general sound, or a list of basic words somewhere

[jolly canyon]

Yea I'd write down what some of the most useful bits of your character is and have it somewhere in your vision at all times.

[proper forum]

No I am not that rich

[twilit sail]

personally im not a fan of roll20 char sheets

[proper forum]

Why am I so forgetful it's almost like if I'm not directly looking at something I forget ot exists 😭

[twilit sail]

girlie its just a game

[jolly canyon]

I'm somewhat the same. Notes can help here.

Sticky notes on your tv/monitor specifically

[twilit sail]

but yeah notes

[proper forum]

Yeah but I don't wanna be bad at the game

[jolly canyon]

Right there in front of you

[proper forum]

Yeah but that would make me look stupid

[twilit sail]

so like for my char sheet
i have notes explaining what all of the abilities do in detail

[jolly canyon]

To who?

[proper forum]

My family?

[hot reef]

or a notebook with a page dedicated to combat reminders

[jolly canyon]

I sure hope your family doesn't judge someone for using reminders. Even fully functional adults have text reminders, calenders, posted notes on their refrigerator ect

[twilit sail]

yes

i am a dysfunctional adults and i use calenders

[hot reef]

You could also use a side paper/document with a character sheet format that's easier for you

[jolly canyon]

My work monitor has like 10 sticky notes on it

[twilit sail]

i like dicecloud

[proper forum]

Yall are saying I should keep physical notes meanwhile I feel like I just need more willpower and repeat the rules again and again until my brain remembers them. Like I'm studying for an exam. Because that's how learning happens. I just need consistency and more willpower, that's all.

[twilit sail]

the cloud of dice

[twilit sail]

an open notes test

[hot reef]

that helps too, yeah

[jolly canyon]

I mean sure that's an option but why not both?

Again I too read the rules over and over and still have notes

[hot reef]

I'm a DM, so when I'm juggling multiple stat blocks it's not uncommon that I'll forget a feature

[twilit sail]

character sheets exist for a reason buddy

youre not meant to remember everything

[proper forum]

Also I'm just stupid and I do legit stupid things in games and by this point my friends just know for a fact that I'm stupid and I never remember anything.

[twilit sail]

you need to chill

none of that negative self talk

[jolly canyon]

New one shot idea. Everyone has 1 hour to memorize their Char Sheet then we play no sheets /jk

[twilit sail]

i would just play human fighter lmao

[loud tendon]

I had postit tabs in my phb when i first started to play.. in fact they are still there.

[jolly canyon]

Yuh my DMG has several post it's

[proper forum]

What in the what is a phb

[twilit sail]

players handbook

[proper forum]

Ah

I just call it players handbook

[twilit shell]

Speaking of which, I wish the ddb search engine let me find the dmg and phb by typing in their acronyms

[lavish flame]

PHB is the community's acronym for the Player's Handbook. Technically the developers just use the acronym PH, but most ppl include the B.

[proper forum]

Maybe keeping notes isn't that bad actually

[broken imp]

ik right? i wish too

[twilit sail]

yesss!!!

[broken imp]

... u should it's really helpful

[twilit sail]

its a pen and paper game

[lavish flame]

I added post-its to my DM screen back in 2015. To this day my 2014 Screen has those post-its within it.

[proper forum]

Yeah but isn't a phb also another term for computer circuit? Idk I don't know much about D&D and even less about computers.

[twilit sail]

we have acronyms for everything

[broken imp]

Tabletop Rolepplaying Games

[twilit shell]

Jokes on you I play on my desk

[proper forum]

...Maybe I should have mentioned that I was diagnosed with ADHD. I wasn't told how severe but I'm assuming it is severe.

[broken imp]

i dunno apparently it also stands for Polyhydroxybutyrate

[jolly canyon]

Again right there with ya. Notes are our bread and butter here

[proper forum]

I once played like that too, when me and my friends went to the sane college... but then we seperated and we now all live our own lives.

[twilit shell]

I miss my college dnd group 😔

[proper forum]

Graduated. The word I was looking for is graduated

I now play with the same friends except we can't physically be together

[twilit shell]

Two of mine left the country and one of the other has gone AWOL lol

[rough basalt]

Getting the pre-session nerves. Hoping I don't tpk the party again tonight.

[proper forum]

Our party almost got TPK'd and I blame myself

That's why I'm venting

[twilit shell]

There is no one to blame but the party members for their weakness and lack of fortitude ong

[rough basalt]

Tonight's getting the new party bonded together so gonna be hell of a ride

[timber cove]

have fun

[proper forum]

They all did so well except me 😭

[glossy otter]

Man, this spring really is the season of horror. First, Obsession comes out, now Ravenloft next month. Any other big horror things am I missing

[halcyon bison]

i like spooky characters :>

[hard thistle]

So, how does a "West March" work? Is it always running or scheduled or...?

[idle oar]

So there's no set party of players and no set DM

[jolly canyon]

I don't know the norm since I've only been in one. But the one I'm in the DMs(myself included) post an event link on discord for a date and time and then we choose players that might best fit the quest or in my case I prioritize players who don't play often.

Assuming they pressed Interested

[graceful thunder]

Is there a channel to discuss character creation? Like less stats and choices, and more deciding on style?

[jolly canyon]

Indeed! #character-discussion or for more in depth on mechanics go to #optimization

[woven flint]

A grieving Dragonborn bonding with new party members 😔

[rough basalt]

queue evil laughing

[hard thistle]

Hmm. I'll have to try one at some point. I'm a bit nervous about the concept given the chaotic nature of it, and I've had bad experiences with Play by Post things (though I'll have to give it another try, might've been the group I was in), but I want to try a West March at some point.

[woven flint]

"All my friends are dead" moment

[hot marlin]

That's what someone I know used to call certain barbarian builds, the "oh no, all my friends are dead" build.

In the sense that those builds focused on getting resistance to everything, high HP, high AC and the result was a character that was almost unkillable but useless

[rough basalt]

Me music prepping tonights session ordinary music interrupted by Fromsoft boss music

[hot marlin]

Godskin Apostle remains the finest track in gaming history, use it

[buoyant hull]

speaking of season of horror

[rough basalt]

I wanna use some celestials so i have a reason to use Weapon Bequeathed Harmonia OST from Nightreign

[buoyant hull]

any news on that player facing info we were supposed to get about the SoH organized play

[cinder timber]

Good luck wit ur session

[woven flint]

I'm a personally a fan of Orstien and Smough's theme

[rough basalt]

Orizontas when he sees several angels with spears come down from the heavens cause the dm wanted to use his favorite fromsoft fight

[woven flint]

But my true favorite boss is
Artorias (I know, overrated)

[rough basalt]

Noting that down

Death Knight that jumps around slamming people whose creature type is fiend instead of undead who has a broken arm with a conal splash that does necrotic

[woven flint]

My overall favorite boss in the entire series is Ludwig

[hot marlin]

Uh... Don't know, I feel like the stuff in the Abyss would all count as celestial?

[rough basalt]

Use Ludwigs theme for prepping the next session

[rough basalt]

True

[hot marlin]

There is a distinct angelic quality to even Manus, but especially to all things particularly dark. Even the final boss of Dark Souls 2 feels to me more like a take on an angel rather than fiendish

[rough basalt]

It's funny how the most evil character in the Souls games was ds2s final boss. Considering the nature of the Souls world.

Even Manus was more a force of the abysses nature I believe.

His one daughter was just in it for love of the game

[hot marlin]

I'm not sure applying the concept of evil is really relevant here.

The more I think about those works, the more I've come to believe that viewing them through a moral lens is doing them a disservice.

[dire swallow]

Idk if I'm being a problem player right now and wanted to ask. If a situation comes up and I can help I'll suggest an idea.

If I know someone's character for example I know someone is a druid and ask if they want to help like if they have been a bit quiet.

Like I can fly to scout a ship from the air I asked for something with better eyesight than me. My character has passive 14 and nothing more than dark vision.

Is it bad that if I know how a character can help in a situation I ask if they are willing to help?

[rough basalt]

Ye true. Iirc Nashandra was born of Manus's "hunger"

[woven flint]

Did you know...
Artorias apparently has cut voicelines? 🤔

[rough basalt]

Ye he originally had voice lines to show he was fighting the abyss's hold on him and telling you to run.

[woven flint]

They took away my mans voice 😔

[rough basalt]

Cause he was one of the better of Gwyns knights.

[deft cedar]

howdy

[woven flint]

The voicelines of him hallucinating about Sif and the other Knights of Gwyn in delirium would've made me cry like a baby

[rough basalt]

Always hurts me whenever I gotta kill Ciaran for her drip.

But it's her crime for being the most fashion souls of Gwyns knights.

[empty thicket]

depend of which choice of ending you do

ironically the "dark" endings being hte good in most of them

or at least in the first DS

[balmy ice]

My maci came in the mail today yay

Dog knight rpg

Now I have rory and maci

I missed Jean

[agile yarrow]

Is there any dm’s and some players I can play with bc I’m new?

[stuck shuttle]

I believe you've been redirected to #find-a-game already. Unfortunately soliciting for games outside the lfg channels is against server rules

[little stream]

Roll for jaywalking

[sudden sandal]

Can i help him with advantage cus im new too

[balmy ice]

Im hit by a car

[idle oar]

Well please use the correct channels to solicit/organize a game as it's off-topic here in the discussion channels

[balmy ice]

Got a 1

[sudden sandal]

But if he fails id be cooked too..

[idle oar]

Also these channels are not for running your own little mini roleplaying session - let's get back to discussing D&D

[sudden sandal]

Got you

Is artificer a hard role for beginners?

[balmy ice]

Its not simple

[idle oar]

Yeah not the simplest class

Also not available in the free rules

[balmy ice]

Id recommend a base class for 1st

[sudden sandal]

Ahh okay, got you! I made a Ranger to start with, was wondering if I should make an Artificer but if its a little more difficult to do then I'll try it later hopefully

[balmy ice]

Artificer has a lot of timed stuff as well as just over all complexity

Id recommend arcane rouge

[sudden sandal]

Ooh will look into this

[balmy ice]

Mage hand is a god sent

[stuck shuttle]

No D&D class is too hard for a "first class" even if it's more complex. But yeah it's the only class that isn't free so unless your DM shares the book with you, you buy it, or you have outside access to it (e.g. a library) you won't be able to access it.

[balmy ice]

This is also true

Ebberon books

[severe rampart]

Man I need to find a new campaign that's Dragonlance, my dragonlance campaign has been on hiatus for 2 months now and I don't think it's gonna come back 😔

[fossil hollow]

yeah, i think thats dead

[sudden sandal]

Oh no :(

[empty thicket]

welp, restart it with another campaign if not

[fossil hollow]

im thankful my dl campaign is going strong still..

[severe rampart]

I don't wanna DM a third campaign...

but the voices...

[severe rampart]

Lucky, I was so invested in my character then one day just, boom, campaign hiatus

I'm still using the character, I spent too much on commissions of art of him just to quit now

[empty thicket]

yeah, the voices fight me too, want me to ask for a spot

[sudden sandal]

Do you use fiverr for art?

Please dont respond if thats against rules sorry

[severe rampart]

Me? no, not personally

but that's off topic

[woven flint]

When the Fighter that's been drinking for the past Three weeks because his old party dies LOCKS IN 🔥

[severe rampart]

Crits twice then action surge and crits again?

[sudden sandal]

Action surge

[woven flint]

Noh, be he's killing shit and using his battlemasteries

[severe rampart]

I mean, it doesn't have to be Dragonlance but I made him for Dragonlance 😔

[lusty tendon]

honestly i think i may have made a pseudo flag ship fighter for lv5, where on an action surge turn i can get his damage to about 60+

[severe rampart]

Ooo Battlemaster

[sage glacier]

I wanted to share my personal experience with a campaign , now unfortunately I cannot name them get the post taken down for it’ll . Within the first couple of weeks, the mechanics and rules were changed multiple times, which made the campaign frustrating and difficult to stay invested in. Communication and player treatment also became an issue for me personally. Because of that, I wouldn’t recommend joining their campaigns unless you’re okay with a very inconsistent DMing style

[idle oar]

Yeah that's unfortunate - I dislike it when there's little to no consistency or even reasonable communication about things. And definitely a red flag when you're not treated respectfully.

Hope your next group is better

[sage glacier]

Speaking of callouts he just banned me for criticizing him

[lusty tendon]

like rn

[sage glacier]

Yea

[wanton crystal]

yes right now

[little stream]

Golly...

[wanton crystal]

they treat their players like shit and within the week and a half to two weeks ive been on that server they changed mechanics 3+ times

[idle oar]

Anyhow please remember server rules (no public callouts and don't bring off-server drama here)

[lusty tendon]

if a dm cant take critisizm then thats on them tbh, like i literally ask my party at the end of every session what can i improve on to make it better for everyone and yes you can just say my story is sh**

[sage glacier]

K

[crimson gulch]

once you get 3 going then 6 is not far off

[wanton crystal]

k

[idle oar]

But sorry to hear you had such a horrible experience

[lusty tendon]

i hope you guys have had more experiences with dnd than that party

[severe rampart]

You couldn't pay me to run 6 games at once (well you could... but I don't wanna)

[jolly canyon]

Same. Give me feed back woo!

[crimson gulch]

you dont run them all at once, you pick different days, it works great

Accepting feedback in good faith and not getting defensive and reactionary is how a good dm can tip the scales to a great DM

[little stream]

As a DM? Why

As a player? Maybe ig

[fresh laurel]

chad

[lusty tendon]

apparently im a decent dm even though this is my first campaign, and they seem to be enjoying it so im taking it as a win, i literally beg for feed back other than i really love this session today

[severe rampart]

Because I want to play as a player at times, I already run two games and the one game I play as a player is taking a 2 week break because the DM is going on vacation

[jolly canyon]

Yo same!!! Also my cat is named after the creature in your pfp.

[severe rampart]

It's like you have power words that persuade me to run my third campaign

[fossil hollow]

ive been getting the really biggest urge to run irl campaigns

[little stream]

Ik this is not dnd talk no mo but what is that exactly

[little stream]

Fair

[fresh laurel]

i never played DnD before but i find it very interesting since i found out
i immedietly wanted to make a subclass-character from one of my fictions i made up
can i send it to someone to tell me if its balanced or not esspecially for levels and stuff
i spent hours trying to balance it but i don't know since i just learned about the game

please let me dm

[severe rampart]

#homebrew

[fossil hollow]

#homebrew

[crimson gulch]

Irl is best

[fresh laurel]

oh okay thanks!

[severe rampart]

There's an Echo in here.

[stuck shuttle]

If you’d like feedback on your homebrew send it to the channel everyone’s linking before me lol

[lusty tendon]

bruh, i also have a black cat and he is my pfp for most of my other accounts, odd coincidence, and i like the name coal

[fossil hollow]

yuh, i just dont know enough people that are free

[severe rampart]

I'd run IRL but there's like 0 people who know about D&D where I live lmao

Before you say it, yes, not including me

[little stream]

Fahhhh

[little stream]

I would like to play too bru but sadly it aint happening lol

[crimson gulch]

thats a shame, i have dnd players lining up locally

[hot marlin]

You run your pro games in your local game store Urizt?

[little stream]

I could but I have to book a flight just for the sake of it, which idk. Isnt worth it

[crimson gulch]

twice a week in person and 3 times a week online for my pro games

[severe rampart]

Asia unfortunately, D&D is considered westerner culture and isn't as popular

[little stream]

SEA I take it? Yea not much coverage here too

[hot marlin]

Perhaps some other TTRPGs may be better suited for your demographic, Echo?

[severe rampart]

Yeah, estimated only 0.005% of people even know about D&D, much less play it

[severe rampart]

Unfortunately not, also I only know D&D lmao

[blissful ibex]

wonder if it was more popluar over there if we'd have more content set in Kara-Tur

[severe rampart]

Maybe 👀 (I have no idea what Kara-Tur is)

[hot marlin]

Oh no, certainly not

[idle oar]

Not as Kara-Tur was previously written...

[blissful ibex]

yeah...

[hot marlin]

Kara-Tur is... Well there's no way around it, it's an orientalist, borderline racist mess. A setting created by TSR, that was then artificially grafted to the Forgotten Realms as the continent to the east of Faerûn. It was marketed as "oriental adventures"

[fossil hollow]

very... aged Asian inspired setting

[blissful ibex]

presumably we'd have a far more tastefully written Kara-Tur

[severe rampart]

Ahh, I see

[fossil hollow]

if they got stuff like Radiant Citade, im sure they can redeem Kara-Tur if we ever revisit it

also if they do, PLEASE WOTC, GIMME LUNG DRAGONS. scream to the heavens over

[blissful ibex]

because a proper dnd setting set on the myths and history of that region would be really interesting

[hot marlin]

Better yet. Burn it all to the ground, act as though it never existed, write new content for whatever is east of Faerûn.

Just fully decanonize it. Can't salvage that

[severe rampart]

Manananggal and Tikbalang would be awesome monsters

[fossil hollow]

i know we already have the bakunawa, but more of a lean towards the moon devouring serpent would be awwwesome

[hot marlin]

Eh, we've got Dendar

[fossil hollow]

dendar is a bakunawa confirmed

[severe rampart]

Having eaten 6 of the 7 moons, yum

[fossil hollow]

... i dunno wether to hate you or laugh

[hot marlin]

Thing is, if that setting is supposed to be east of Faerûn, it still needs to be something that still feels like the Forgotten Realms and shares history with it, it can't be a different setting altogether that just happens to lie east.

[severe rampart]

I was not making a 6 7 joke

[fossil hollow]

i laugh then

[hot marlin]

After the racism, this is the second thing I hate about Kara-Tur.

[blissful ibex]

Toril is a rather large place; there are several continents that can easily have more disperate tones while having some of the same shared history

[hot marlin]

The gods are real. They are not fiction. So there is no reason for the gods to stop at the border.

[severe rampart]

I really wanna run a oneshot with my culture's mythological creatures, imagine the final boss just being a kapre

[hot marlin]

Of course there can be differences!

[fossil hollow]

isnt gods going by many names already a thing in toril too?

[crimson gulch]

yeah, the earthmother/ Chauntea

[severe rampart]

Though some of them are just creatures that were made up to explain minor inconveniences

[blissful ibex]

Sure, but they may venerate additional pantheons or use different names for the gods there

Much how the drow have their own, as do the giants, etc.

[fossil hollow]

thats most if not all fairy tale/folklore creatures

[severe rampart]

You got lost on the road? Well that's because of this half horse half man creature, he didn't like you.

[blissful ibex]

Regional and Species specific pantheons are nothing new

[hot marlin]

But at the end of the day, the world was basically created by Selune, goddess of the moon and primordial goddess of light, and Shar, primordial goddess of darkness. There is a goddess of magic, the first one died, and the consequences should have been felt everywhere. The consequences of Karsus' folly, the consequences of the Dracorage Mythal, simply cannot have stopped at the border between the continents.

[fossil hollow]

hmmm... lung dragons falling to th dracorage mythal?

[severe rampart]

Point...

[blissful ibex]

They would also presumably have less context on the causes unless they were heavily scrying the events in Faerun or had Clerics and such asking the gods for info or merchant vessels bringing news

[hot marlin]

Tell me something: Why do lungs stop at the border between continents? Why do non-lung dragons also not cross that border?

[jovial shadow]

I remember Oriental Adventures. It was created because D&D 2e didn't see any reason to include Monks, in a "European historical base and mythology". I had bought the book, but none of us ever played anything out of it. I believe only the Kensai was the only other one revived from that book, by WoTC.

[hot marlin]

Oh the gods could very well have communicated that those catastrophes were caused by something happening to the west, that's fine.

[fossil hollow]

you tell me. as far as i know, lungs also visit a lot of the other upper planes too. it make no sense to me as well

[severe rampart]

Hm, how much of my world should be fleshed out to start thinking about finally hosting a campaign?

[fossil hollow]

the starting town

[little stream]

the tavern

[severe rampart]

Hm, that's it?

[fossil hollow]

im serious, thats all you really need to start a campaign

[severe rampart]

Improv...

[fossil hollow]

you can improv/prep the rest after session 1

[normal junco]

if you can get Return of the Lazy DM by Sly Flourish you would be amazed at how little you actually need to prepare and flesh out.

[severe rampart]

Yeah, all I know is I gotta learn Heliana's Guide To Monster Hunting

[fossil hollow]

sweet, monster hunting campaign?

[severe rampart]

Delve deep into dungeons to hunt and harvest monsters for gold and rewards

[hot marlin]

I could very well say that "lung" is not a category of dragons, that dragons can simply be born with this bodily form while still being a gold, a red, or whatever. And that in the east, dragons tend to have a serpentine form more often. That too me seems like a direction that could be taken

[fossil hollow]

regional variation and such?

i remember that being a thing with non-bahamut platinum dragons

[hot marlin]

One could also just have "lungs" not be dragons, sharing only coincidental resemblance. That the lungs are actually minor water and rain gods

Which, to my admittedly not exhaustive knowledge of those mythologies, seems accurate enough

[fossil hollow]

asian dragons tend to play out more like celestials aye

[lusty tendon]

also my uncle is eventually going to run a campaign where it is roughly based off of the croods/primal where it is prehistoric and in this world magic doesnt exist, what build should i make im thinking something with a raptor as a campanion

[fossil hollow]

beastmaster

[lusty tendon]

sorry i shouldve added more context, i can get the pet for free lets say what class should i choose regardless of the beast

[blissful ibex]

Hells; Just give us books for like Tarkir and Kamigawa

[fossil hollow]

your pick

[fossil hollow]

i would loooooooove books for both

[twilit sail]

How can druids turn into dinosaurs if theyve nevet seen one before

Does the player bless them w this knowledge through psychic gift

[storm briar]

ah yes the guy who made fun of a guys mom dying was banned

[fossil hollow]

ask your dm

[lusty tendon]

yes and yes

[hot marlin]

Hell, here's some improvised lore: The lungs are descendants of a water god that dwells in an eastern ocean. All of them have the titan creature tag. Their patriarch dwells in an underwater palace. The lungs seen away from the palace are either exiles, descendants of exiles, or adventurers seeking their own path. They are all minor gods with power over rain, storms and oceans.

[sage glacier]

When I don’t remember this

[fossil hollow]

i hate you, im adding this to my campaign now

[lusty tendon]

dinosaurs oddly are common knowledge in dnd as existing, i wish im joking but their is an entire city that tames and uses dinosaurs to help with everyday life

[twilit sail]

What boon are you

[blissful ibex]

They literally commune with nature and the primal spirit of the world on a daily basis
Prety sure they can glean wildshape forms in the same way they can glean new Spells

[fossil hollow]

also yeah, dinosaurs are a thing on most dnd settings

theyre most common in eberron, where halflings have learned to domesticate them

[twilit sail]

Intereating

[ashen zodiac]

I have. Appeared from no where. Does anybody here know where to find a nice online campaign? I am. Dnd starved :::(

[blissful ibex]

The only thing that should have a sight based restriction are things that explicitly state they do, such as Shapechange

[twilit sail]

#find-a-game

[ashen zodiac]

Thank you!

[fossil hollow]

dinos have been around since the start of dnd

[blissful ibex]

#looking-for-players or look into Adventurer's League

?al

[cosmic roost]

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[true monolith]

I got a DM who insists that you have to see a beast at least once before being able to shapeshift into one, pretty sure that aint RAW tho

[paper portal]

i mean 1e is practically a fossil at this point

[fossil hollow]

in 2014 it is

[storm briar]

because you didnt care. Lunar came into chat talking about his mom dying and you made fun of him immediately.

[fossil hollow]

please keep that to dms

[true monolith]

ahhhh, he's a veteran so thats prob why

[blissful ibex]

10,000% isn't in 5.5e, no

[sudden sandal]

Aura pfp

[blissful ibex]

was part of the tradeoff between now needing a limited prepared list of forms; you don't need to see them now

[fossil hollow]

on another topic, did you all know Old Gnawbones watches a Telenovela made by the powerful spellcasters of Waterdeep?

[empty thicket]

welp, in theory druids can shape into animals because they use nature magic and commune with an environment. Its a why too they cant shape into monstrosities.
Some monstrosities are invasive species

If the druid was in an enviroment with dinos, he could shape into one

If not, welp, "Magic"

[timid ember]

the wizard did it

[empty thicket]

no no, nature magic did it

[timid ember]

the nature wizard did it

[empty thicket]

The nature magic got into the data and searched about dinos in the started assets

[blissful ibex]

forget centuary long dramas; try mellenia long
they'd have to have a class in the wizard colleges teaching the history of the show so they can have the new people working on it stay consistant to the lore

[fossil hollow]

she thinks its real funnily enough. the True Noble Wives of Silverymoon

[paper portal]

we have century long dramas in this very chat

ranger bad amirite

[severe rampart]

ticks off bingo card

[blissful ibex]

we've got like 5 of em over in #dnd-rules

Dual Wielding/TLOI shenanigans and If Feat Granted Spells are Class Spells are wo I can name off the topp of my headf

there's more but I can't think of em rn

[severe rampart]

The urge to start a third campaign is taking hold of me, oh god

[fossil hollow]

are invocations magical

do it

[severe rampart]

It's like I can hear it, right here in this server

[twilit sail]

Thats me i broke into your house

Where do you keep the cheese

[blissful ibex]

we can answer this one in 5.5e at least
from https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/dnd/br-2024/character-classes#Level1EldritchInvocations

You have unearthed Eldritch Invocations, pieces of forbidden knowledge that imbue you with an abiding magical ability or other lessons. You gain one invocation of your choice, such as Pact of the Tome. Invocations are described in the “Eldritch Invocation Options” section later in this class’s description.

[hard thistle]

Question: Would you guys let a Paladin take Oathbreaker without being evil?

[fossil hollow]

no

[severe rampart]

Yeah

[fossil hollow]

the duality of man

[twilit sail]

No

[severe rampart]

There's an Evil Echo here

[timid ember]

guys im fairly new to playing/creating dnd characters, what is a cantrip?

[twilit sail]

I mean its not that big of a deal honestly? Like nobody runs hexblade as its written

[severe rampart]

Free spells that don't cost anything/don't get expended

[blissful ibex]

"Free"spell that doesn't take a spell slot to cast

[hard thistle]

Cantrips are spells that are cast without a spell slot.

[fossil hollow]

a level 0 spell that requires no cost to cast

[twilit sail]

Weak spell that doesnt count for spell slot

[hard thistle]

Dang, we nuked that guy with pings. XD

I feel bad now.

[timid ember]

HAHAHAH thanks guys

[timid ember]

i dont mind tbh

[twilit sail]

Oh hi youre in my campaign

[hard thistle]

Yep

[blissful ibex]

well "weak"
later on they easilly outclass several level 1~2 spells

[paper portal]

So it's like a spell but it doesn't take any slots to cast so you can do it as many times as you want

[twilit sail]

The damaging ones anyways

[paper portal]

Surely yet another explanation was necessary

[timid ember]

nice

[paper portal]

None of the best 1st level spells are damaging anyways tbh so it's not a huge deal

[timid ember]

im playing around with dnd beyond and i came across the warlock class and it has like 5 cantrips at lvl 1

[severe rampart]

Back to Oathbreakers... /j

[timid ember]

tbf a 1d10 every turn u hit doesnt seem weak

[blissful ibex]

2 + 3 from pact of the tome, ye

[paper portal]

wait until you find out about agonizing blast

[hard thistle]

So, I'm looking at Oathbreaker, and it just says that the Oathbreaker is left with nothing but "the darkness in their hearts". Which sounds evil, sure, but could also be someone who was left with no other options. Honestly, it just looks like an undead summoner type.

Idk, I'd play the heck out of an Oathbreaker. Not as an evil person, but as the party's last resort for something. Less "the darkness has consumed me", more "when all else fails, there is me".

[twilit sail]

With warlock most ranged damaging cantrips are useless bc you will always be spamming eldritch blast (unless youre running a melee build)

(And even then id still take eldritch blastl

[paper portal]

yeah eldritch blast is just the best cantrip by a lot tbh

[timid ember]

exactly the one im talking about HAHAHA is a 1d10 force damage

[severe rampart]

Would you don a Scorpion Armor?

[blissful ibex]

becomes 2x(1d10+5) and knocks back 10ft per hit in tier 2 with EBARB and 20 cha c:

[fossil hollow]

then you go read the rest of the section which specifies that they need to be evil

[twilit sail]

Its a warlock exclusive cantrip

Its to make up for warlock getting like 3 spell slots

Forever

[timid ember]

that or firebolt

[timid ember]

a warlock only ever have 3 spell slots regardless of lvl?

[severe rampart]

Curse. This armor is cursed. Whenever you don or doff it, you must make a DC 15 Constitution saving throw, taking 100 (10d10 + 45) poison damage on a failed save, or half as much damage on a successful one. Only a Wish spell can remove the armor's curse.

But You don't have disadvantage to stealth, it's considered plate armor, it doesn't give disadvantage against extreme heat and gives a +5 to initiative

[blissful ibex]

Which is why I play Druidlock c:

[paper portal]

firebolt doesnt scale with your level quite as well as eldritch blast but yeah that's good too

[twilit sail]

No at lower levels you get less than 3

[paper portal]

2 for most of their progression but you get them back more often than other casters

[rough basalt]

I've recharged hellhound breath like 8 times this combat

[hard thistle]

Eh. I mean, DM ruling can override this if they want, and if not, Lawful Evil solves that.

[blissful ibex]

1 at level 1
2 from level 2~10
3 from level 11~16
4 from level 17+

Though you also have to take into acocunt MAs

[timber turtle]

Is circle of spores druids necromancer class?

[fossil hollow]

yes and no

[glass granite]

It’s the closest, ye

[blissful ibex]

yesn't

[paper portal]

doing some maths you can see that pact magic is actually (overall) better than normal slots assuming standard days

[twilit sail]

Most of warlocks power comes from invocations

[paper portal]

it's part of the druid class but they have necromancy abilities

[blissful ibex]

with ~3 slots, the ritual to restore 2, and 1~2 short rests; you're rather set

only issue is no room for utility spells

[paper portal]

yeah the main issue is their sad spell list lol

[hard thistle]

So you're saying I should add two levels of Warlock to every Paladin or Sorcerer build for 2 short rest spell slots and invocations? 😄

[blissful ibex]

which is what Book of Ancient Secrets used to help with but they didn't reprint it q_q

[timid ember]

seems so fun to play holy

[paper portal]

thats why its such a popular multiclass

[blissful ibex]

Paladin 6~7 / Warlock 2 / The rest Sorcerer or Bard c:
paladin level depends on how good your subclass's aura is

[fresh laurel]

can someone explain me the technical rules of DnD like HP damage magics spells stuff please?
i saw the official website but i really wanna talk to someone while learning it

[paper portal]

yeah warlocks are my personal favourite

[timid ember]

im itching to play a combat oriented campaign as a dragonborn monk or a warlock of unknown race

[twilit sail]

Oh wow hexblade paladin who has ever done that before

[timid ember]

warlock and monk are the ones that call me the most

[hard thistle]

Plot Twist: It's really Celestial Warlock. XD

[paper portal]

hexblade is overrated tbh i'd rather be a genie or undead as a pallie multi

[blissful ibex]

Kenku Warlock
you can thank me later :3

[timber turtle]

Circle of spores druid should have something with eating mushrooms in it or having a fungi inside your stomach making your metabolism high or something

[fresh laurel]

nothing can't stop me from being a bard. i don't care what the campaign is all about im gonna seduce everyone

[timid ember]

i didnt see that race on dnd beyond

[hard thistle]

I like my constructs. 🙂

[blissful ibex]

It's in Mordenkainen Presents: Monsters of the Multiverse

[timid ember]

seduce the final boss making a dm improv

[waxen prawn]

hello guys

[fresh laurel]

id join him. im lowkey evil

[waxen prawn]

i am new and looking for a campaign to join

[paper portal]

you should play an autognome then! theyre the only construct race in 5e (as well as warforged in 5.5)

[severe rampart]

I got a +12 to initiative without even being a Rogue, at level 5

[paper portal]

#find-a-game :3

[barren badger]

its easy to seduce an enemy, but can you become best friends with them instead?

[lusty tendon]

my player is playing an elequence bard, someone save me

[twilit sail]

Powergame by asking out the dm and trying to get favoritism

[timid ember]

is there another website like dnd beyond where i could create characters and stuff?

[paper portal]

just remember charisma isnt mind control

[fresh laurel]

aw thanks for help!

[timber turtle]

What about prostructs?

[hard thistle]

Warforged and Anvilwrought be like:

[paper portal]

roll20 comes to mind

[glass granite]

Just remember that persuasion checks can’t generally be done on unwilling, hostile enemies

[fresh laurel]

what? no im not seducing him. id seduce everyone but him

[paper portal]

warforged are strangely not constructs in 5e

[timid ember]

u gotta be ready to improv your campaign along the way cuz not a single thing will go as u intend

[paper portal]

coward

[hard thistle]

. . . Wut?

[twilit sail]

Yesterday i tried to steal a guards keys while i was im prison

Got a 21

Dm rolls guard perception

Nat 20

Fml

[barren badger]

||please remember to get consent before seducing your DM||

[lusty tendon]

oh i know hes a baby dragon spawn, (playing as a Dragon born) and he uses it to rally the locals to back him up on his stupid plans, side note i do like watching his plans

[fresh laurel]

put the mask on. think of what you can achieve. you coward!

[paper portal]

yep they fixed it in 5.5

[fossil hollow]

they were Humanoid in 2014

[blissful ibex]

roll20 is better; but you'll need access to the books either way
Roll20 is especially nice because if you have the physical book to draw from; you can just manually type in the information into a custom species or subclass or w/e c:

[glass granite]

Depending on their wisdom modifier, you could still win

[lusty tendon]

thank selune im really good at improve

[timid ember]

ohhh i didnt know that

[twilit sail]

Youre seducing the other players at the table?

[severe rampart]

Consent is important and very sexy
-Sam Reich, Game Changer

[blissful ibex]

https://roll20.net/characters

[paper portal]

yeah dnd is an expensive game, you can always hope your dm has all the books

[fresh laurel]

never!

they shluld hold themselves

[barren badger]

please

[severe rampart]

Also it is important above table

[fresh laurel]

if the Dice allows of course :3

[paper portal]

this coming from the man who had his house and wife stolen for a game show bit is peak

[lusty tendon]

but the dm kinda a cutie patooty, 👉 👈 (both straight men flirting with each other)

[barren badger]

Please make sure your fellow players are okay with this

[fresh laurel]

awwee! are you trying to use my spells against me?

[severe rampart]

The two times my players tried to seduce NPCs they didn't ask me first and then got yelled at by the NPC's wife

[fresh laurel]

weakling

[blissful ibex]

But ye; can borrow the books from a local library or see if a fellow player or your DM has for you to use for the campaign
Buying the digital versions outright are an option as well, that way you always have the info there in the compendium to just add in much easier c:

[timid ember]

they kinda see each other with flirtly eyes

and nobody can do anything about it

[fresh laurel]

im entirely pretty much probably i hope so sure about it

[severe rampart]

a big ol' goose egg

[empty thicket]

Its for reinforce the friendship, like me roleplaying with another friend how i fail my flirting

[barren badger]

'tis better to remove all doubt :]

I've seen a few tables fall apart because people had issues respecting boundaries

[paper portal]

"roleplaying"

[fresh laurel]

oh dang i was just kidding

[timber turtle]

If you had a fairy god mother as your warlock matron what would the pact deal be?

[barren badger]

I know! I'm just giving friendly reminders, 'tis all

[lusty tendon]

fey, (mb i was thinking subclass) to become a prince

[fossil hollow]

archfey

[barren badger]

When all this is done, I want to be a faerie godmother

[fresh laurel]

if you ask them, they would say:
chill bro we were just kidding!
Surah At-Tawbah, verse 65.

[timber turtle]

But like what would the fae get out of the exchange?

[lusty tendon]

i will become a prince by impersonating an ogre, to marry the princess, by acting like said ogre if they were to be handsome

[timid ember]

amusement(?)

[barren badger]

Excuse me, may I have your name?

[lusty tendon]

prince char- i mean shrek

[fresh laurel]

THIS IS MY JOHNNY!

[fossil hollow]

no, you give me your name, pretender. what the hell is a bubblemoth anyway

[timid ember]

will u also have a donkey companion that for some reason talks?

[lusty tendon]

no no thats my rival

[twilit sail]

To become a pretty princess who will turn back to a peasant girl.when the clock strikes midnight

Then i would leave a glass slipper behind for my prince

[barren badger]

i dont think slippers typically have heels.

[fresh laurel]

wait you're a member of SCP? are you a fiction writer or something?

thats hella cool

[barren badger]

does the black moon howl?

[fresh laurel]

i have no idea what you just said

[barren badger]

I see.

[fresh laurel]

i don't know much about scp i just know they have peak fiction

and some lore obviously

[lusty tendon]

ok so i have a quick question about my dnd character, how many feats is too much feats

[timid ember]

what do u mean by feats

[barren badger]

how many are you allowed to have

[twilit sail]

I think that asi is pretty important for a good build

[paper portal]

essentially you get a thing called a feat every 4 levels it's like a new power for your character kinda

[lusty tendon]

well seeing how im playing a fighter and i already have 3 at lv 5, (origin feat magic initiate, racial feat, fey touched, lv4 feat: dual wielder )

[twilit sail]

Its different for different classes

[fresh laurel]

i 3 is max if you keep requirements low

but what do i know

[lusty tendon]

and i have 5 more later down the line

[twilit sail]

I think itd be good to max your attacking stat

[fresh laurel]

oh dang how are you gonna farm them all

[barren badger]

asi might be a good idea eventually

[fresh laurel]

you only get like +10 with level ups

im not sure tho i learned the game through talking with ai

i haven't played yet

[barren badger]

pain

[severe rampart]

Yeah that's why it's wrong

[lusty tendon]

if i min max it, i can already have it up to 17 at lv 1, 18 at 4, and later 20

[severe rampart]

AI is wrong, most if not all the time

[fresh laurel]

aww

[barren badger]

just read the book

[fresh laurel]

yea i catched a lot of wrong info when i searched the source it gave me

[severe rampart]

At that point just read

[lusty tendon]

adding war caster should be efficient enough, then adding a few more skill related feats should be fine

[fresh laurel]

but im too lazy to learn the rules without olaying it

or talking with a real hunan

[timid ember]

if u get 1 every few level ups how could u get that many

[barren badger]

dont be lazy

[lusty tendon]

i use the 5e rules as i like the play style but character building i use 5.5

[severe rampart]

What are you doing right now

[fresh laurel]

i will 😈

[fresh laurel]

how diffre are they?

[fresh laurel]

trying to trap someone into teaching me the rules

[lusty tendon]

@timid ember

[lusty tendon]

barbarian actually is good past 5th level

and it is fairly consistent as in almost an instant 1:1 swap over

[fresh laurel]

hmm

[lusty tendon]

plus weapon masteries are pretty fun to mess with

[fresh laurel]

idk man i never olayed barbarien in both versions

i believe id pick wizard

[fresh laurel]

thats interesting

can you teach me the rules if i dm you?

[twilit sail]

I want my next spellcaster to be a sorcerer

[lusty tendon]

wizard is better in the 5.5 version, and you can even choose the subclasses from 5e for the 5.5 class, except everything starts at level 3 rather than 2

[twilit sail]

2024 dorcerer anyways

[twilit sail]

Wizard is the best class in 5e isnt it?

[lusty tendon]

and 5.5 but technically yes

(cleric is because of a free 1/10 chance of a wish)

[barren badger]

I think "best" is difficult to define

[twilit sail]

Most versatile

[fresh laurel]

is it?

i tought it was all balanced well

[lusty tendon]

wizard is then the best for the best versatility and the best class at lv 20

[twilit sail]

5e is very unbalanced

[sly inlet]

/looking-for dm

[fresh laurel]

that might be a problem. anyway i mostly care about roleplaying

[twilit sail]

5.5 is better

[lusty tendon]

i mean not really just check out the scaling of each class and then compare them, like flagship builds are a good check for that as the wizard flag ship build is 19 wizard 1 cleric

[fresh laurel]

yeah im sure about it

thats why they upgraded it

or releasing a new version

i forgot the word for it

[woven flint]

Bronze Dragonborn Fighter with a Lance made of light riding a Polar bear covered in Scale Mail

Is this peak? 🤔

[fresh laurel]

how common is it to get level 20?

[empty thicket]

yeah, i teach him my best pick up lines

[lusty tendon]

also thanks for the offer but im not too interested in being in a dnd group just yet as im wanting my schedual to balance out before i add more too it, but again thank you but if you want you can dm (friend me first) so you could ask rules

[lusty tendon]

not, much, regularly i barely get past lv5 if im lucky lv10

[barren badger]

At level 20, yes wizard is probably the top. But most groups rarely make it past level 10. I think most gameplay is probably done in Tier 1 and I'm not sure if wizard is top of the pack there

[fresh laurel]

oh don't worry im not offering a olay invite

yet 😘

omg im gonna pick a bard

[lusty tendon]

which is why you see a scaling of each class, as once it gets to lv 5 wizard and other spell casters are the best, i think sorcerer becomes the best at this time

[fresh laurel]

i can already imagine all the stuff id do

[fresh laurel]

oh dang i tought level 15 was common but 20 is very hard becuase of exponantial growth

[hot marlin]

Very very hard to determine. Too many factors and variable to permit the crowning of any class as "the best". As the worst, however, it's a bit easier but still subject to debate

[lusty tendon]

swords bard in 5.5 is pretty fun as you can learn smite from the paladin spell list

[twilit sail]

Monk?

[hot marlin]

Although I can assure, you won't find many people arguing wizard is the worst class

[fresh laurel]

is dnd mostly about combats though?

[lusty tendon]

i mean technically not wrong for experience leveling up in dnd but everyone i know use milestone

[hot marlin]

Oh no, certainly not. Although the worst subclass is often argued to be found among the monk's

[fresh laurel]

i want it to be more like a journey

[twilit sail]

Ranger??

[barren badger]

DMing get's weird about level 12 and I dont think the game was really designed for higher level play

[hushed mason]

That really depends on the table.

[barren badger]

*glances at 2014 alchemist*

[lusty tendon]

i mean, 70/30 is where i like to be, 70 roleplay 30 combat, but often leans more 50/50

[hot marlin]

Some people have argued that ranger is the worst. I find them absolutely insane and have been wondering if we were living in the same dimension

[fresh laurel]

how so?
isn't everything scalable?

[hot marlin]

One youtuber, who shall not be named, just know that his entire career has consisted of nothing but slop, has spent years propagating the idea that ranger was the worst class.

[lusty tendon]

personally i dont like the reliance on hunters mark, but i do like how most of the options dont requre it as much

[barren badger]

Players start gaining access to spells that warp reality and gameplay just gets weird. It's not really just about numbers

[twilit sail]

Ppl say that spellcasters become much stronger than martials at higher levels

[fresh laurel]

thats just bad written tbh

[fresh laurel]

that makes sense

[hot marlin]

That is probably true. However remember that it is a team game.

[barren badger]

*shrug* I think it's fine

[twilit sail]

And wizard is the most versatile spellcaster

Because you get like every spell and a bajillion spell slots

[timid ember]

at that point, is when u start focusing more on roleplay rather than combat no?

i think i saw something about it somewhere in internet

[barren badger]

No, roleplay is a pillar of gameplay from the very beginning

[lusty tendon]

spells are generally considered better than class abilites, as spells can be hit for like about 60+ damage at higher levels for just a spell slot and half damage is usually still going to do some ammount of damage

[barren badger]

This. And remember youtubers and people who make tier lists exist to drive engagement.

I think a player can play any class and enjoy the game. Are their numerical differences between classes? Yes.

But a good DM should be able to create gameplay where everyone feels important and that they contribute to the story.

[hot marlin]

Essentially, the issue with arguing about the best and worst classes is that this is simply not how the game is played. You should consider team dynamic.

[barren badger]

It's a game of cooperative storytelling. :]

[paper portal]

hello chat what are we talking abt now :3

[twilit sail]

DnD is a team game? Nonsense! DnD is a competition where my spot at the top of the leaderboard is the only thing that matters!

[paper portal]

nono you should be trying to win dnd but you should do it as a team /silly

[twilit sail]

Peace Cleric

[paper portal]

well yes

[twilit sail]

We all collectively work together to hurt the dm

[timber turtle]

Why don't people call girl wizards witches?

[paper portal]

wizard is wizard

[barren badger]

Because witches are different

[hollow estuary]

Competitive storytelling 😈

[barren badger]

I think one of the most important skills a player can learn is knowing when to back off and let someone else hold the spotlight for a bit :]

[twilit sail]

Outside of dnd witch means you get your power from demonic pacts

[hollow estuary]

Becuz witches are female warlocks 😭

[umbral girder]

Because Wizard isn’t a gendered thing but a job title

[paper portal]

my character is john edgelord he's a lone wolf and his only class ability is that all of his enemies die instantly

[twilit sail]

Female warlock

The wizard/witch thing is a harry potter thing

And not at all representative of actual terminology

[paper portal]

i will gladly not participate in harry potter things 🫡

[hollow estuary]

I have a perfect ability for you.

its in my homebrew library.

" 19 dollar fortnite card "

Description: Select a enemy within range, you and that enemy die

[barren badger]

Wizards are typically a spell-caster who studies magic and arcana.

I would say a witch is more folk-loric/spiritual and associated with nature/curses/diviniation etc

[lusty tendon]

dont forget the dm is your enemy, you have to make their life hell as much as possible

[twilit sail]

Similarly to how sorcerer and wizard normally mean the same thing irl

[fresh laurel]

reality bending is just stupid to add to a roleplaying game

• party game
• should be chill

[timber turtle]

Wizard is so male though

[umbral girder]

How?

[barren badger]

It's not always chill! Sometimes you need to go fight gods

[twilit sail]

Its really not

[paper portal]

yeah high levels can be a bit stupid lol