dnd-discussion

[glad ferry]

DDB drops?

[hot marlin]

In theory Ao is the strongest. Nobody even gets a lick of power from him, he doesn't even have clerics

[inner crown]

New subscriber 'perks' just became mechanical options. It's a trash decision imo.

[hot marlin]

No interest in interacting with mortals whatsoever

[lavish flame]

I'm desperately awaiting for the ability to toggle on/off individual books in the DDB Character Creator. I assume thatll only come with the whole "run DDB on a game engine" update tho

[thorn wedge]

The bot ban channel already has 109 bans lol

[hot gate]

Quite number of those were people who went "surely they aren't serious about the instant ban" and quickly learned otherwise.

[blissful ibex]

Eldrritch blast and either Create Bonfire or Prestidigitation to start off with; either way, Minor Illusion at level 4 c:

[thorn wedge]

I’m gonna keep watching it, I’m curious how many actual bots it catches

[crimson gulch]

my usual thing is that if its not worth printing its not worth buying, this is an odd wrench into my usual decision making

[lavish flame]

The only way I'd consider the options is if they found their way into a book. I'd be down for a 2026 Year of Drops collection that has all this content in it. I wouldn't think about using it otherwise

[rough basalt]

My hope is that they're basically just digital only temporary

Kinda like how Dhampir is gonna be in Ravenloft for its physical

[blissful ibex]

Would be a reasonable way to go about that; basically just have the subscription be a Early Access type thing for piecemeal portions of a splat book

[lavish flame]

ysah, these ones seem pretty Planescape-y, so this could just be teasing a future Planescape book

[crimson gulch]

i would be down for more planescape

[lavish flame]

I would be too, I really liked the Planescape box set, so I'd be super down for more

[blissful ibex]

FOMO and exclusives are trash but paid early access is based

especially just as a fringe benefit to holding the higher subscription tiers if you have it for other reasons

[dim flicker]

might be common knowledge to everyone, but it's certainly smth ive forgotten: the channel is named after revel's end, a panopticon prison in 'keys to the golden vault'. pretty neat thing to stumble on while i was browsing through the module tryna find something.

[blissful ibex]

I like to imagine it's just a room full of spell casters with a perpetually held action to cast banishment

[lavish flame]

Revel's End is also featured in Icewind Dale: Rime of the Frostmaiden and Dungeons and Dragons: Honor Among Thieves, the movie!

[next elk]

dnd really should have like a game engine for it ngl

[next elk]

the bot option instabans??

[dim flicker]

i didnt know that!! thats pretty cool

[lavish flame]

yeah if you type in that channel, u just get banned. when a spam bot joins the server, they usually send a message in every channel, including the one that gets you banned if you send a message.

its a honeypot meant to trap spam bots

[empty thicket]

ngl, that is a smart way to reap them out

[blissful ibex]

Bonus points of it automatically deletes every message the banned account sent in like the last 5 minutes or something to auto clean

[empty thicket]

and its in one of the first channels so a bot will land first there and instantly be spawnkilled

[next elk]

can i go there just to see them getting executed

[severe rampart]

Not anymore, they learned their lesson

Darwinism

[rough basalt]

Ye a Planescape expanded down the line could be nice

[severe rampart]

there's like 100 real people there and like 6 bots

[dim flicker]

i love the planescape setting

[lavish flame]

yeah, but peanut gallery conversation got directed to #non-dnd-topics by mods yesterday so its prolly supposed to happen there

[left condor]

Would Wizards of the Coast ever add some kind of optional rules expansion or manual focused on martials, similar to how spellcasters keep getting new spells and systems like Circle Casting?

I don’t want to sound greedy, but it would be great to see something like an “Eldritch Invocation” style system for martial classes, more weapon masteries, or honestly just more depth and customization in general.

(Please just don’t turn martials into pseudo-magical classes that rely on casting the same level 1 spell forever.)

[lavish flame]

prolly. I'm partially expecting a Book of Nine Swords in the Season of Champions they talked about but never revealed

• Spring-Summer '26 is the Season of Horror, the book release then is Ravenloft: the Horrors Within (setting)
• Summer-Fall '26 is the Season of Magic, the book release then Arcana Unleashed (expansion) and Arcana Unleashed Deadfall (adventure)
• Fall-Winter '26 is the Season of Champions, with its books being labelled "To be announced"

[empty thicket]

Wish about it ngl.
But its weird in general

[crimson gulch]

yes, they just did, Weapon masteries

[empty thicket]

they can maybe add more enchantments to weapons, some other powerfull weapons and... idk, options in general

[rough basalt]

I'm still on the Champions is definitely Light Moon setting guide.

[empty thicket]

Maybe upgrade the actual options of some fighting styles but beside those options, i dont think too much would happen on them

[left condor]

About the horror season:

I absolutely love Ravenloft, and my group already finished Curse of Strahd still my favorite campaign ever. I really love the whole setting and atmosphere.
Besides Ravenloft itself, will there also be content focused on the other Domains of Dread? Something closer to Van Richten’s Guide to Ravenloft?
I’d love to prepare a dark fantasy campaign set in one of the Dread Realms, so more lore, adventures, or tools for those settings would be amazing.

[rough basalt]

Van Richtens is the light book for it, horrors within is the expanded book

[lavish flame]

wdym Light Moon setting?

[rough basalt]

The setting where everyone lives in a utopia of equality underneath the Sorcerer-Kings of Kindess

[crimson gulch]

yes, the new book comes out next month, Ravenloft Horror within

[lavish flame]

Dark Sun?

[rough basalt]

Ye

Due to nuWotC renewing Dark Suns IP after the Dark Sun UA was well received last year

[shut lance]

be nice to have non-uniform teiflings again

[rough basalt]

And "Season of Champions" doesn't fit the Villainous UA idea imo

But ya know what does fit the current UA that isn't confirmed for books yet?
Psion the Dark Sun staple, and the Dark Sun subclasses.

[lavish flame]

Yeah I woupdnt pin the Villainous UA stuff into Season of Champions

[rough basalt]

Also if you're heroes fighting against tyrants, you could easily be called Champions of the people.

[hard jetty]

Hi does anyone here have an experience in playing DnD in foreign language that is not english?

[empty thicket]

such as¿?

Like, i know a pair of asians there and i know spanish

[civic bramble]

Seems like they’re starting with the horrific, going to the magical and then ending on the devout.

[rough basalt]

WotC when August 4th comes and they announce the champions book. "For today's lesson, slavery, death, scorching heat" /j

[hard jetty]

any tbh, I'm just looking to hear from someone who played in a dnd group that spoke a language other than english and it was their foreign language. I am currently abroad for a couple of months in germany and I am thinking about getting into a german dnd group to practice the language, I am an intermediate german speaker

[rough basalt]

Tbh if they just look at the 4e Dark Sun guide as a baseline to build off of it'll be fine

It was considered the best setting guide of 4e, primarily cause a few settings sucked but also its pretty good.

[empty thicket]

welp, i principally speak spanish, so in fact im using a foreign language, english

and luckily im kinda experienced on it, still lack of some fluidity on such matter but i can kinda defend myself or make understand what i want to say

[hard jetty]

but would you say that playing dnd in english helped you in speaking english better?

[empty thicket]

Sometimes i will be blocked of not remembering a word or a term.
Other times i have the problem that my slangs cant be translated on English

[rough basalt]

I'd say it'd probably be best to decide with the group you make.

Cause a lot of Germans speak English.

[empty thicket]

sort of yes, its experience, talking and sharpening the English slowly and hearing other people talk it help

[hard jetty]

true, but since Im in germany for 3 more months and its my goal to be just as fluent in german as in english, then I am looking for ways to practice it or get some friends here

[empty thicket]

its practice at the end of the day and you can justify it funnily that your character have a hard time speaking common

and if you cant speak the words you want, like people dont understand you, write it

[sleek flax]

Well interacting with essentially anything that has german text or speech, and being able to respond to it, will help you—so if you want a bit of extra practice that could work

[rough basalt]

Also if they're decent at English you could probably say the English word and they might help you with the right word.

[empty thicket]

Yeah you kinda lose some voice acting factor, but you dont stop yourself in a pit

[sleek flax]

Just communicating with the language helps

[thorn wedge]

Having bilingual people around while speaking in the language you want to learn is 100% the fastest way to learn

[sleek flax]

For sure

[rough basalt]

Germans an entertaining language trying to learn

[empty thicket]

Like, i used Minecraft for learning LOT of words in English. No joke.
You can do almost same in any other language and some other games

[rough basalt]

There's a lot of words that aren't much different spelled nor sounding from their English counterparts then there's significantly different.

[sleek flax]

A family member of mine starting learning english through watching shrek

[twilit sail]

oh my god

[empty thicket]

That too, consume content of such language you want to learn help you to familiarize with it

[hard jetty]

yeah but you know its not like I can approach strangers, I need context for speaking. I understand german to a certain level(not like tom holland english) but I have trouble talking in german since I have no one to talk in german with

[rough basalt]

I've watched so much Japanese stuff that I can tell when there's a mistranslation.

[hard jetty]

I love to imagine your family member develop shreks accent

[sleek flax]

You absolutely can approach strangers (on the internet) though

[sleek flax]

She’s got a puerto rican accent cause she’s puerto rican, man I wish she sounded like shrek

[hard jetty]

I am listening to german podcast as Im typing it, I do almost everyday. I am in an enviroment where I am expected to understand german perfectly so theres lots of pressure to get good very fast

[empty thicket]

Bro, you arent a bird, a horse or a fish. You dont born and knew how to fly, run or swim.
Take your time and take it easy
But take it.

[hard jetty]

everyday we are getting closer to puerto rican shrek

[sleek flax]

Urban legend lol

[hard jetty]

true. ❤️

[severe rampart]

Finally the session has come, the day to kill those squirrels... (in D&D)

[sleek flax]

The type of stuff I see from r/fatsquirrelhate:

[hard jetty]

peta deleting 4 paragraphs after seeing the "(in dnd"

[severe rampart]

these are actually muscle squirrels

not fat squirrels

[empty thicket]

Give a message, use Ravenous Void on them.

[sleek flax]

They sometimes do not know the difference gonna be honest

[humble cairn]

I've been teaching myself Thai through BLs for 6 years now.

[sleek flax]

Thats very based.

[severe rampart]

These muscle squirrels actually live in a barren wasteland and to survive they became carnivores and ate the other animals

they emotionally manipulated my character last session

I gotta kill them, I'm sorry (I'm not)

[sleek flax]

I read your username as “Ophidimancer, Heart Attack User” for a second and had a giggle*

[humble cairn]

Remind me, is "based" a good thing?

[sleek flax]

100%, I’m saying that is very cool of you

[humble cairn]

There's a tabletop group here in Bangkok, but I'm not comfortable enough in Thai to play D&D yet.

[sleek flax]

Understandable, go kill those gluttonous beasts

[humble cairn]

I do not like squirrels.

[sleek flax]

I like them, one keeps scratching their way up the windows and eating from our birdfeeder though…

Otherwise they’re cute, I’d have one as a pet in d&d

[empty thicket]

Befuddlement spell is giving a migraine to someone for 1 month?

[potent perch]

Reminds me of the muscle mice from demon slayer

[thorn wedge]

Squirrels of unusual size

[torpid hound]

What if Barbarian's Unarmored Defense was Strength + Dexterity instead of Constitution + Dexterity?

[thorn wedge]

Wouldnt make a big difference for them. They still need con for hp

Maybe if it was strength con it would help some and they could put less into dex.

[torpid hound]

But the whole point of Barbarians is that they're lightning bruisers

And usually Unarmored Defense includes Dexterity

[thorn wedge]

I’m just speaking mechanically. People are gonna disagree thematically but that’s just how it goes.

[bitter minnow]

question? an evil wizard has captured the towns children you must save them youre fighting the wizard but wont give up the location. after a long battle the wizard is on his knees and you ask one final time where the children are and he cast vicious mockery, what do you do

[peak pecan]

Take him hostage until he’s willing to play ball

[torpid hound]

I'm not affected by Vicious Mockery, I've already been insulted too many times before to care

[feral fulcrum]

Nope. Befuddlement only does what it says it does. And doesn't even mention causing pain outside of the initial Psychic damage. Think of it more like short-term brain damage.

[torpid hound]

Wait how is a Wizard casting Vicious Mockery?

[peak pecan]

You want to keep him from speaking, so some sort of muffle, prevent him from gesticulating, so manacles on the hands and feet, and take his spellcasting focus and any miscellaneous items off his person

[bitter minnow]

He gives you the middle finger lol

[peak pecan]

That’s not a spell effect

[feral fulcrum]

There's plenty of feats that give access to cantrips from other classes.

[torpid hound]

Vicious Mockery doesn't have any somastic or material components

[feral fulcrum]

Also, NPC's need not strictly follow the same restrictions as the Player Charecters

[peak pecan]

Yeah, but a mage is a statblock, they don’t get feats

[torpid hound]

It's usually Wizard, Cleric and Druid

[peak pecan]

Hence the muffle/gag I described for step one

[torpid hound]

Then how in the Nine Hells is he gonna reveal the location?

[bitter minnow]

If you muffle him aren’t you just giving him time to recover

[torpid hound]

???

[south prawn]

Just succeed on your saving throw and call it a day

[peak pecan]

Torment him until he yields; technically if you declare it to your DM most damage can be non lethal

[south prawn]

Looks like you already did

[bitter minnow]

Oh ok cool cool !

[torpid hound]

?

[south prawn]

You succeeded on your saving throw against vicious mockery

[hot reef]

RAW it’s only melee

[peak pecan]

You can also pay a cleric in strong enough settlements to get Zone of truth cast on your prisoner, and so long as you ask him the question “where are the children?” He’s compelled to answer to the best of his ability

[torpid hound]

I'd initiate the Unlimited Power Maneuver with Shocking Grasp

[south prawn]

Funny that’s mentioned, I just saw on an actual play where the player talked the DM into allowing Shatter to be non-lethal….

[twilit sail]

magic initiate?

[hot reef]

He isn’t compelled to answer, he just can’t lie
You can use other spells for that though

[torpid hound]

Bard spell list not an option

[twilit sail]

no clue

favorite wizard subclasses?

[hot reef]

NPCs don’t need to use PC rules

[south prawn]

For all anyone knows, he took a level in Bard

[torpid hound]

Evoker
I CAST FIREBALL

[torpid hound]

Then his save DC is probably absolute trash

[peak pecan]

That’s what me standing with a dagger to his throat aims to achieve: he’s gonna reply truthfully because of the implication

[south prawn]

Ha, maybe so

[twilit sail]

name checks out

[torpid hound]

Are you a Battle Master by any chance?

[twilit sail]

no

[torpid hound]

You're no commander

[bitter minnow]

Let’s up the stakes! There’s a 5 min countdown till a doomsday spell is complete

[twilit sail]

tru

[torpid hound]

Counterspell

[twilit sail]

power word kill

[torpid hound]

The caster has a lot of HP

Is the doomsday spell perhaps Aurau's Destroy Universe?

[thorn wedge]

I understood that reference.

[torpid hound]

You know ball

[bitter minnow]

Next door you hear the sound of children screaming. They were attached to the wizards life force. With his last breath he says guess you found them

[bitter minnow]

If you counter spell where does it go ?

You’re so evil 😱

[torpid hound]

Where does what go?

[feral fulcrum]

It fizzles into nothingness, it goes bye bye

[edgy badge]

Does anyone know any sort of powerful sea creatures that are good to fight in dnd ideally no more hp than like 65-70

[bitter minnow]

The counterspell. That’s a lot of energy and mana clashing does it just fizzle does it create an explosion

[bitter minnow]

Oh that’s convenient

[severe rampart]

But if you counterspell a player character they get their spell slot back

[feral fulcrum]

That's a great way to lose players. Nobody likes having "Ha ha, it's a Lose-lose scenario." randomly thrust onto them.

[torpid hound]

I won tho

[edgy badge]

Anybody

[bitter minnow]

Hi @severe rampart

[torpid hound]

Filter monsters by underwater habitat in D&D Beyond

[bitter minnow]

I don’t think so if I may be honest they came up with some really good ideas in a difficult situation the counterspell on a dying wizard or even muffling him to get him to a clergic to get the truth from him was insightful plus it was cool for everyone to talk about the cans and do nots

Is that not what dnd is all about?

[torpid hound]

Why is Artificer 1 / Wizard X so good with absolutely zero drawbacks?

[lean wigeon]

idk

[jolly canyon]

A question that #optimization will gladly answer

[torpid hound]

That's optimization not game balance

[jolly canyon]

Ya sure? Go ask. You never know

[sleek cloud]

Because I decreed it so

[cerulean monolith]

How many of the 50 year celebration thing adventures are there? I know Uni and the Lost Horn, Scions of Elemental Evil, and Hold Back the Dead, but that feels like a small number for a “year-long celebration”

[empty thicket]

i would say art 2 // Wizard X better.
Being able to just get those infussions and magic items help a lot
Still i guess is for the cure wounds, false life, sanctuary, etc. etc.

[torpid hound]

Con saves, medium armor and doesn't slow spell progression

[peak pecan]

That was it

[cerulean monolith]

Wow, that’s depressing

[empty thicket]

and both scale with Int so its a totall upgrade

[blissful ibex]

yeah... yet somehow still better than how the most recent MTG annaversary was handled
$1000 to draft a couple packs of proxies

[rough basalt]

Ye year 50s only notable highlights were Quests from the Infinite Staircase and the 5.5e PHB and DMG.

[severe rampart]

Playing a paladin right now in a very deadly campaign, let's see if I can get my first player death

[cerulean monolith]

Three disconnected adventures, one of which doesn’t even take up a full session. Also two of them are in the FR and the other (arguably the best) is in Greyhawk

[rough basalt]

Vecna should've been the crown of the highlights but they cut the original ending and the Netherese Obelisk plot making the buildup over the last few years not matter.

[cerulean monolith]

I’m also annoyed that it seems like they’re using the DMG as a shield to avoid making a Greyhawk book. I honestly think it’s a more compelling setting than the FR.

[empty thicket]

And its a combo like Fighter (medium armor) and with barbarian 1 or 2 . Rage upgrade EVERYTHING from fighter and give more survival and help to do more damage. The only problem would be if you went elritch knight (or if im not wrong psi and echo)

[rough basalt]

There is a Greyhawk book being made

[reef tundra]

Well, maybe soon they'll make a few greyhawk books like they did with forgotten realms

[cerulean monolith]

? I haven’t seen anything about that

[rough basalt]

Dan Ayoub hooked up with Luke Gygax and they're gonna work with him to make a Greyhawk book in the future

[reef tundra]

Yay! I can finally learn about greyhawk!
-# Forgotten realms wiki? Impossible! /j

[rough basalt]

Whether it'll be official or dmsguild is unknown tho.

New team believes that settings are meant to be used.

[cerulean monolith]

Why would you use the FR wiki for Greyhawk?

Use the Greyhawk wiki.

[reef tundra]

-# I did not realise the stupidity of what I just said

[rough basalt]

My guess is atm they're focusing on releasing actual setting guides or expansions for them

[dim flicker]

oh my god fr is short for forgotten realms. for the past solid 5 mins i kept wondering why sam was talking about france

[rough basalt]

Like Van Richtens had some lacking so horrors within will complete it.

Eberron only got the slim Forge of the Artificer cause Eberron was the only fully complete setting guide old wotc released for dnd that wasn't an MTG setting.

[normal junco]

wait, the MTG books were considered full setting guides?

[rough basalt]

Moreso than their "FR guide" aka SCAG

[cerulean monolith]

They’re testing out different methods and what works. The DMG tested out a summary-style setting guide, FotA tested out the half-book, FR:HoF and FR:AiF tested out dual-book, and then Dark Sun seemingly will be a solo full book.

The only thing that’s been consistent is the use of third party content and non-book media to further develop materials

[rough basalt]

My guess is cause Dark Sun is the only one that needs a full solo book I'd say.

Eberron didn't need anything other than Artificer to be updated.
Van Richtens needed better in the existing domains department so Horrors is expanding on it and giving the Dreadlords their own statblocks I believe.

FR straight up needed a setting guide with good character options so 5es biggest mistake could hopefully be forgotten someday

[cerulean monolith]

FR getting two full-length books was also necessary because it’s the largest setting content-wise

[rough basalt]

To be the antithesis of the chaotic evil SCAG

The Heroic FRAG struck it down and saved 5e FR.

Dark Sun being a full book would make sense

Since it'll likely have the Psion class in it.

And Dark Sun was treated almost like it didn't exist by old WotC so there's no existing 5e official material for it so a smaller supplemental book wouldn't make sense.

And since the South Tablelands where Dark Sun takes place isn't that huge, they could probably fit all the necessarily lore into it.

Benefit of having a planet that's almost completely destroyed of life

[hot marlin]

I love Dark Sun but I do have to say that I do not think modern day WOTC has the ability to do that setting well. I would be happier to see Dark Sun left alone until a later time

[rough basalt]

Well it ain't happening I don't think

The being left alone part.

[hot marlin]

Yeah. Maybe I will be pleasantly surprised though

[rough basalt]

Unless they change Season of Champions to Season of Villainy, there's nothing else than Dark Sun in UA that hasn't been confirmed for a book yet that fits a "Champions" theme.

[rough basalt]

I think they could.

Simply cause they've shown they're treating 4e like it exists

And 4e Dark Sun was good

[lavish flame]

I'm holding out hope for a Book of Nine Swords 5.5

[rough basalt]

I'd bet money it's Dark Sun.

If it was a martial sourcebook like Arcana Unleashed is for magic I'd imagine they wouldn't be hiding it.

[rotund abyss]

I got some minotaur names I really gotta share cuz they're absolutely genius:
-Bison America
-Stan Oxford
-Patricia "Patty" Hamburg
-Tamworth "Tam" Araw
-Bo Vine

[rough basalt]

Another thing for my "The Dark Sun is real" jar is that the Sorcerer-Kings are also referred to as the "Champions" of Rajaat

[lone gazelle]

hi

[rough basalt]

And what would be the best way to handle dark sun? Like 4e did, where you fight the systemic slavery and the sorcerer-kings the "Champions" themselves to free Athas.

[lone gazelle]

I have a quick question what do you think is the best subclass for a rogue

[blissful ibex]

heavily looking forward to potential release of Circle of Preservation Druid

[rough basalt]

I just don't think it's anything but Dark Sun. Too many coincidences.

[blissful ibex]

Probs just wanted to finalize some things including possibly the title and key art so didn't get announced with the rest

[rough basalt]

True. My theory was that they wanna build more goodwill

[blissful ibex]

expecting an update probs closer to septembher when they release the Arcana book

[rough basalt]

The books they've released so far have been consistently good for the most part.

[blissful ibex]

They've actually been doin really well with the UA releases lately

[rough basalt]

If that holds with Ravenloft like its looking, I think they can take the casual PR hit of announcing Dark Sun.

I think they said "Champions" will be announced at Gencon in August

[blissful ibex]

like any issues I've had with them have been minor and have been more so hype c:

[rough basalt]

Cause the use of the setting itself is gonna have PR problems so building up goodwill would be important I think.

Makes me wonder if the horror being before it is kinda tied to it

Cause Ravenloft is a minefield of Dark and horrible themes.

So they wanna show they can properly handle dark settings.

[blissful ibex]

Just hoping on the AL end that they make Psion and some of the subclasses more generally available in the other campaigns like how they did with artificer

[rough basalt]

Like I mentioned with 4e

NuWotC realizes it exists

And Dark Sun 4e eliminated the biggest problematic issue of Dark Sun 2e

Which was TSR at the time treating Slavery as a "nuanced thing" and being rather well, TSR about it.
Where as WotC in 4e treated it as is. A horrible disgusting systemic evil perpetrated by the Sorcerer-Kings and their Templars and that they should be opposed and defeated.

[bronze canopy]

The Minotaur language is Spanish in my setting because of the explorer Cabeza de Vaca (a real person in world history)

[shut lance]

I would like to see psions, and play one.
but I did like the psy points and that would differentiate them from arcane casters

[shut lance]

In my headcanon, Gnomish is german

[bronze canopy]

I will never not see it now. It’ll make me think the little German from the movie Top Secret

[shut lance]

my gnome speaks with a blended french/german accent because I can do neither of them well, but I am mixing in german words here and there.

[small heath]

A friend of mine viewed draconic as Russian-like

[undone rain]

I gotta stop playing holy classes

[potent perch]

Lizardfolk speak Japanese

[twilit sail]

you're gonna play oathbreaker?

[undone rain]

No no i dont like being evil

[bronze canopy]

Holy heck no. More holy classes with NO multiclassing unless it’s Paladin/Cleric

[undone rain]

Holy rogue when

[bronze canopy]

Scion of the Three kind of

[blissful ibex]

technically yeah XD

[bronze canopy]

“Become a gruesome agent of malice” lol

[undone rain]

Isnt that homebrew tho

[bronze canopy]

Official Forgotten Realms book

[gusty charm]

One of my players gave his dwarf a Russian accent

[shut lance]

I did a cleric/rogue, turned out well

[small heath]

I am playing as an Ooze transformation (from grim hallow 2024) grave domain cleric dinosaur (from Dr. D's Dictionary of Dinosaurs) in an upcoming campaign

[shut lance]

@gusty charmmy dwarf in the first campagn had an irish/scottish... I know cliche.

[gusty charm]

But fun!

[shut lance]

100000%

[night grotto]

Hello

[shut lance]

I had a little more fun with the tabaxi, western accent

[supple onyx]

if i have a quick dm question, can i ask here?

[night grotto]

yeah sure

[supple onyx]

what would be a good first combat encounter in a one shot for a level three party? I was looking through the bestiary and i don't really know how to balance combat, since this is the first time i am running something

just some tipps maybe

[normal junco]

where are they going?

[supple onyx]

it's in a forest right after they leave town to get the mcguffin

[bronze canopy]

Owlbear

[normal junco]

how many PCs?

[supple onyx]

probably 3-4

[normal junco]

an owlbear does sound about right

[sick plinth]

whats up chat

[supple onyx]

i am planning two combat encounters one introductory and one bbg

[supple onyx]

ok thanks i'll look into it

[edgy badge]

When it says (8d10) does that mean you roll a d10 8 times?

[night grotto]

For a level 3 one shot, I’d keep the first encounter simple goblins, bandits, or wolves are great starters. Multiple weaker enemies usually work better than one strong monster, and don’t stress too much about perfect balance. Keep it fun, manageable, and use the first fight to help everyone settle in.

[supple onyx]

thanks :)

[night grotto]

Np 🙂

[normal junco]

yes, and add them all together

[fading kiln]

hiiiiiiii

[edgy badge]

Alr cheers mate

[olive storm]

My wizard now has a cat (with wings )

[empty thicket]

My warlock will have a cat too

With wings, tongue, scales

and familiar of the dragons

[agile pulsar]

what do shadow elementals taste like

[feral fulcrum]

Whatever you want them to taste like

[agile pulsar]

do we have any opinions

[olive storm]

Nothing at all.

[agile pulsar]

I have to learn more about them either way
Maybe I could use them in a seasoning

[olive storm]

I need to sleep. Goodnight chat.

[blissful ibex]

Blackberry

[shut lance]

my warlock has an imp familiar that looked like Bubble from The Amazing Digital Circus

[agile pulsar]

I kinda like that actually

[shut lance]

its archfey patron was Caine

[agile pulsar]

wonder what a nightwalker would taste like

[twilit shell]

Blue voltage mountain dew mixed with pennies

[empty thicket]

my lil pseudodragon will be like my kitty irl

[fading sun]

How do I connect my discord with the dice thing?

I'm a bit new

[empty thicket]

each time i pat her will be patting him

[severe rampart]

Squirrels grappling me

[golden mantle]

Hello there

[empty thicket]

Squish them.
They are giga small so just stomp on them

[severe rampart]

they're the size of halflings right now

[empty thicket]

kick their heads, they are in the perfect height

[true heart]

chat im a first time DM tomorrow for my mum and brother's first dnd game does anyone have advice for me and them?

[peak pecan]

Have fun!

Keep your rulings fair and explain yourself if asked as DM; but try not to make decisions you’ll have to backtrack

[golden mantle]

No phones at the table.

Controversial take but my table needed it.

[empty thicket]

"mom, do you remember that time in the familiar reunion were you said something giga embarassing from me? Time for my revenge. DC 20 CONST roll"

[true heart]

lol this will be my first time going in depth with characters, rolls, modifiers, world building

all of itand its their first time playing altogether

[golden mantle]

World build otw. Prioritize player engagement so it wont feel like railroading. Something i like to do, is allow the players to name a few npcs. It helps make their experience fun, which makes ur experience fun.

Im a 90% improv person, could change for you.

[golden mantle]

Good luck , and welcome to this side of the table.

[true heart]

i love telling stories and going in depth but i also love improv

what do each of the stats do, (dex, wis, con)

i know what they mean when shortened but i dont know what they corrispond to

[golden mantle]

Itll come naturally to you from the start.

[golden mantle]

Int is intelligence, dex is dexterity, con is constitution , cha is charisma, str is strength.

[true heart]

so dex is when the player wants to make a move like a jump or climb smth and con is for

[empty thicket]

Con is like their health of their body

see the saves of it
constitution have the poison saves for example

Dext is in most AOE spells saves, meaning you can "Dodge" the attack and receive less damage

STr is expected, freeing yourself from some chains, push something, etc.etc.

[true heart]

so like depending on a players current physical health it would depend on what actions they can do

and con could effect other stats

[golden mantle]

Wha

[true heart]

like

if they hurt their arm they cant use it as much?

[golden mantle]

Yes

[empty thicket]

Yes but that is in some specific tables with rules of damage to limbs

[golden mantle]

@true heart may i know about ur campaign

Like whats the story

[golden mantle]

My table has fun with that

[severe rampart]

Five squirrels are tearing me apart, I hate tanking 😭

[true heart]

im gonna be doing one from a book i think

i dont have any homebrew ones complete yet

[golden mantle]

Hmm

Im working on a homebrew space campaign but im scared ill be mimicking dune or star wars

[feral fulcrum]

Tank harder, meatshield.

[true heart]

if youre scared it will, just flat out include those parts as either references or pisstakes

[severe rampart]

I'm about to refill my HP with Lay on Hands and Cure Wounds

[empty thicket]

Using a tomato to explain the stats of D&D
Strength to crush it, Dexterity to dodge it, Constitution to eat a bad one, Intelligence to know it's a fruit, Wisdom to not put it in a fruit salad, and Charisma to sell it as salsa.

[true heart]

so if your party has good humor then it would be a good joke

[oak grotto]

That's not really a thing that happens. At least it's a common occurrence. I recommend heading towards #dnd-newcomers.

[hot reef]

It’s fine to take heavy inspiration from existing media, it’ll usually improve the quality of the story you tell
As long as it isn’t a 1:1 ripoff

[golden mantle]

Smart

[hot reef]

As long as you don’t take from Star Wars 789

[true heart]

aaah so con for if you get sick

[errant crag]

I just found my character sheet for my very first ever D&D character from over 6 years ago now for 2014 5e

[golden mantle]

Coolio

[errant crag]

Found it folded up in my filing cabinet while packing up

[oak grotto]

I highly recommend reading through the basic rules.

[golden mantle]

What did u play as

[errant crag]

He was an Orc Barbarian

[golden mantle]

Hmm

[errant crag]

Volo's guide orc

[golden mantle]

Ahh

[errant crag]

Named Grk

[severe rampart]

I'm also taking the AOE attacks from the spellcasters

[oak grotto]

Damn, your mage friends suck.

[severe rampart]

We must kill the squirrels at any cost

also they asked me before casting it so it's chill

[errant crag]

Bruh Grk had 13 AC no wonder he almost died to Goblins in Lost Mines of Phandelver

[feral fulcrum]

I only sometimes hurt my group with AOE's. Only because Ashardalon's stride makes my existence a natural hazard.

[errant crag]

He was pretty mid tbh

[golden mantle]

My first character was a lawful good paladin

Astral elf who was the sheriff of his town

Banished from the astral plane

[shut lance]

we only do phone to look things up, 100% agree

[oak grotto]

My first character was an uptight but well-meaning human archaeologist and wizard.

[glad ferry]

Just spell range and cast multiple fireballs with delay spell in the villains lair, or have a book filled with runes every night with enough firepower to blow up the enemies layer

[undone rain]

My first character was a high elf barbarian that i only used once cuz the campaign was cancelled one session in

I should use him again

This time with an actual subclass cuz he was only level 1

[glad ferry]

Mines an acid dragon berserker barbarian

[undone rain]

I believe ill make mine a zealot this time

[severe rampart]

Playing paladins are awesome

[bitter minnow]

Paladins are awesome

[severe rampart]

Now now, let's not get too hasty

[feral fulcrum]

No, let's get Hasty. Haste for all!

[bitter minnow]

lol

[golden mantle]

Yes

[golden mantle]

We have one ipad at the table

And printed char sheets

[bitter minnow]

Hey are reaction dice a thing

Or is that where you roll to see if something hits

[golden mantle]

Wha

U can do it if u want

I dont

[bitter minnow]

That’s cool! I was just wondering because if idk a spellcaster is doing his chant or spell prep or whatever they do why would a villain wait for him to finish

[loud tendon]

The game does combat in rounds and each combatant gets a turn in the round arranged through "initiative order".

Unless the enemy has counterspell and a reaction to use or an ability that lets them interrupt, they have to "wait their turn"

[halcyon forum]

basically, spells take a certain amount of time, so anything that takes longer than an action can be interrupted with various means. action, reaction and bonus action spells can only be interrupted with certain abilities, like Counterspell

[severe wedge]

I don't think i will be able to join any dnd server at this point i keep joining đead server and then get shy in an server that actually work

[feral fulcrum]

Six seconds a rounds, so anything with a casting time of longer then an action, isn't going to be happening in combat.

[bitter minnow]

Ok combat is always turn based. I was thinking like the evil wizard starts his chant, I can’t just deck him in th throat or something. I guess that’s just roll to see if it hits right?

[feral fulcrum]

Because a minute long casting time = 10 Rounds, and fights are usually over by round 3 or 4

[halcyon forum]

exceptions apply, but generally true

sometimes, a scenario has you trying to stop a 1 minute spell that is being cast by a bad guy (combat could start midway through the spell for example) or someone affected by the slow spell might need an extra turn

[rain swan]

Yoooooooooooo

[bitter minnow]

I am learning so much thank you all

[lavish flame]

For the most part, you won't be able to interrupt spellcasting like this. Spells generally take little time to do, so an enemy spellcaster starts their spell and finishes it before you can react. There might be an exception made due to some rule (such as the Mage Slayer Feat) or a specific scenario (like a multi-person ritual that takes 1 minute could probably be interrupted by clobbering).

[bitter minnow]

That way it stays fair to everyone allowing so many classes to be who they are that’s good

[twilit shell]

take the mage slayer feat and you can LOL

[feral fulcrum]

I mean you can do it without the feat just fine

damage in general calls for a concentration check

[rain swan]

Yoooooooooooo

[twilit shell]

Well mage slayer specifically is the throat-punch-a-mage-on-reaction bit

[sacred tide]

Hello, how can I play dnd, kinda new here. LFG mostly online or can soemone ping me the right channel

[rain swan]

Hum i play with friends who got the 3 Books

[bitter minnow]

I thought it worked like he begins his chant. Roll d20 if it’s high enough you react to it. Then the player bum rushes the wizard an decks him in the throat but then the wizard gets a reaction to see if he dodges the punch or something along those lines

So ok answering that question combat is pretty straight forward

[severe rampart]

fastest way to learn? go watch people play, or play it yourself

[feral fulcrum]

There's the free rules to look at, and, plenty of games to watch on youtube to help get a grasp for the basics

[lavish flame]

Yeah, combat is pretty simple to get ur head around. People go in turns, their order is determined by an Initiative roll (whoever rolls highest goes first, lowest last). You get an Action, Bonus Action, and Reaction to work with, and the stuff you want to do will use up your Action/Bonus/Reaction on your turn.

This initial simplicity is where the complexities of combat come from.

I'd highly recommend reading thru #learn-to-play and eventually playing a game urself.

[tribal plume]

is there an ability that lets you see through the eyes of an animal companion?

[feral fulcrum]

That's inherent to Find Familliar

[lavish flame]

Thats a part of the Find Familiar spell, but thats not true of every animal companion option.

[bitter minnow]

I’m learning just fine through questions and scenarios. It’s cool to see how people react to things I apologize if it’s annoying but hey that’s what dnd discussions are about. I’ve read through the learn to plays I’ve seen the videos the role play is cool but it’s not exactly a tutorial you know what I mean

[tribal plume]

right

[severe rampart]

I mean yeah, but you can easily confirm this by yourself just by reading the free rules in DDB

[bitter minnow]

I do agree with you but between all the different additions there are so many new rules and regulations albeit combat is the same as it ever was but I’ve learned everyone has different ways of playing

[severe fox]

Yuck reading

[bitter minnow]

There’s not a problem with me asking is there🤔

[knotty vine]

I have left the game

[severe rampart]

which game

[errant crag]

The one where the DM said to make weak characters?

[knotty vine]

The game with the new dm when they said my backstory wasnt good enough

[errant crag]

They said it wasn't good enough?

[knotty vine]

Mhm

Wrote my whole backstory only for them to pick like "there is no other planes other the main one rewrite it"

[loud tendon]

So, we are generally happy to help with questions but there is an expectation that people will also put effort in on their own a s read the basic rules.

This helps twofold: it eliminates wild misconceptions about how the game is played much more quickly and gives you a stronger foundation rather than piecing far apart concepts together over time.

It is also more considerate with people's time not entirely reading you the book but helping to provide clarity.

[velvet pendant]

Is there any database or resource with premade characters for 5e?

[noble pine]

How do I calculate my hit bonus for longsword, shortsword and both bows

[velvet pendant]

Looking to run a oneshot and want to have some premades ready incase ppl dont show up with a char

[velvet pendant]

longsword is str+pb (if proficient)
shortword can either be dex or str + pb (if proficient)
bow is dex+pb (if proficient)

[twilit shell]

DDB has a whole premade character tab on character creation mode

[noble pine]

Like 3+2 to hit

[cerulean flume]

That feeling when half your party dies and you are only able to escape with one of them who is at 1 hp

[velvet pendant]

Depending on the curcanstance can be a cool restart to the campaign, becomes a revenge / comeback arch for the one survivor

[harsh hinge]

You can find some on DMsGuild. I think DDB's are 2024/5.5: https://www.dndbeyond.com/resources/1779-d-d-character-sheets

[idle bone]

If the server pings me again I'm going to end up on a list.

[velvet pendant]

Assuming those are the stats? remember PB (proficiency bonus) scales with a characters level

[jolly canyon]

Was there by chance an expectation that everyone's pc would come from that DMs setting in session 0?

[empty thicket]

almost all range weapons are Dext, only few throwable weapons are STR range options

[cerulean flume]

Yeah but one of the people who died this was their last session of the campaign so it was kinda sad to end it like that

[errant crag]

I don't think that's the same as saying that your backstory isn't good enough, that sounds like them informing that a detail of your backstory doesn't work in their setting

[jolly canyon]

Still I wouldn't tell my players to rewrite their backstory

I'm just curious

Pink and I asking a very similar question

[velvet pendant]

Was that not discussed during your session 0 ?

[velvet pendant]

That is very sad, if its their last session not a lot I can suggest other than making it an epic sendoff. Let them have their final moments, last words etc. Set the scene of their epic showdown and how their journey ended there

[bitter minnow]

I’ve read the books at least the basic ones the different campaigns, I understand combat but not reactions I understand some characters but man do a lot of them get complicated. I’ve seen the dnd videos. It’s an rpg with a lot of rules. But I’ll tell yall what I’ll stay quiet and learn what I can on my own so I’m more considerate to other people

[cerulean flume]

Yeah

[noble pine]

What would intiative be for npc and monsters

[velvet pendant]

Yeah I'm looking for 2014 rules 😮‍💨

[velvet pendant]

Huh?

[jolly canyon]

Whatever that Stat block says. Like straight up. They usually match the dex bonus though but I don't have every Stat block memorized

[knotty vine]

we havent had a session 0

we havent had a session anything

[formal comet]

meow

[empty thicket]

My favorite ability, react with mage slayer 2014 and kill the caster

[velvet pendant]

It'll say on their statblocks, its a bonus (or minus) they get to a d20 roll

[empty thicket]

Wait, if teh caster want to use Misty step beside me and i react with mage slayer, i attack before it teleport or what?

[velvet pendant]

I would try to avoid writing a whole backstory before session 0, having an idea is nice and all but might run into this issue where backstory dosnt fit the world they're trying to run

[glass granite]

I’d say no, they’d teleport first no? Reactions generally occur after the trigger

[severe rampart]

Case by case maybe up to the DM

[jolly canyon]

That's so confusing. You wrote a backstory before a session 0 and were told to rewrite it. The dm should just say "hey cool you have a back story already made but it doesn't match my setting so this will just have to be flavor text for your own uses. If you want your backstory incorporated into my game you'll need to have something that fits it" this assuming thr DM wants backstories into the story at all.

[velvet pendant]

Up to dm, but I'd probbaly say tp happened first?

[severe rampart]

I'd rule it as you can make the attack first

[empty thicket]

Imagine teleport beside me and i punch you in the face, would be funny

[severe rampart]

they perform the verbal component and you can maybe take your attack and then the spell goes off imo

[twilit shell]

same as counterspell IMO

Thats how I like to treat mage slayer

[severe rampart]

it's not fun when you make a feat useless

or at least remove a feature of it

[velvet pendant]

This is true

[empty thicket]

Mage slayer 24 lost the reaction thing but gain a Legendary resistance (you can make a fail be a success) per short rest

[severe rampart]

I was assuming you were talking about the 2014 because you said the reaction

[empty thicket]

yep, was and compare it

[twilit shell]

Look how they massacred my boy!

[glass granite]

I think RAW you attack after, but I definitely do think attacking before they cast is a fun ruling.

[empty thicket]

(its almost like a legendary resistance per short rest)

[sleek cloud]

2024 mage slayer is great

[midnight marlin]

What do people use for finding online dnd groups? Been thinking about dropping out of my in person group and looking for an alternative

[severe rampart]

this server

[midnight marlin]

Oh duh hahaha

[feral fulcrum]

#find-a-game doot doot

[empty thicket]

wont recommend too much to drop an IRL group, online is too different to some IRL group honestly

and i think in most scenarios is the best way to experience DND

[velvet pendant]

This server, other servers r/lfg, the roll20 join a game section

if looking for inperson games, check your local games store, facebook? things like that

[halcyon cloud]

whats good yall

[teal osprey]

Wsp

[rough basalt]

Just got done finishing my prep for my Monday game

[teal osprey]

www always love that feeling

Actually do y'all have any good apps to keep track of stuff or for dming???

[hot reef]

Google docs

[teal osprey]

Meh specifically for dnd

[lean wigeon]

Obsidian.md
and a spreadsheet program

[empty thicket]

Excel /jk

[sudden hollow]

Can we talk about how ridiculous holy water is?

It takes 25 gp of silver (powdered) to make one bottle.. or 250 silver pieces ground up. Now its bad enough that it takes the cost of purchase to produce it (meaning it isnt profitable for a merchant or player to take the time to do.) But it... also just doesn't make sense. Not even fantasy sense

Thats like.. 2.5 lbs of silver thats just... gone ... for a one time use item. And thats assuming you can actually get the silver to begin with

[umbral girder]

God's say so is why.

Also gold is stupid easy to get in dnd for adventurers are there are a lot of undead to worry about.

Said gods also like to stock dungeons with loot too.

Like Mystra has her chosen running around placing money and magic items in different dungeons in the world.

[sudden hollow]

Normally yes, but this COS.. where silver is outlawed and money is iron coin

[cloud bison]

was there a drop today?

[knotty vine]

COS is qutie fun

[sudden hollow]

We are STRUGGLING

[hot marlin]

Wait wait wait. Why do you think the 25 gp worth of powdered silver is equivalent to 250 silver pieces ground up?

[umbral girder]

Still not that hard.

[hot marlin]

That's not how money works

[umbral girder]

Dark powers refills the dungeons too.

[sudden hollow]

That is the only in book description on how to get it

[hollow estuary]

Escaping carceri is actually easier then you think.

[hot marlin]

What

[umbral girder]

Like no?

[rose sluice]

If I'm buying Calligrapher's Supplies as a part of starting equipment, do I need to purchase ink, an ink pen, paper, etc or is that included in the set?

[cerulean monolith]

Well, in medieval economies the value of currencies was inherent to their value. It wasn’t a reserve-backed currency nor was it fiat. A gold coin was valuable because it was made of gold. The implication, then, of “25 GP worth of powdered silver” is that 250 SP ground up would be sufficient, unless powdering silver changes its value somewhat.

[cerulean monolith]

Short answer is ask your DM

[hot marlin]

First off, what makes money valuable is not just the material. It's the seal on it. Coins are minted by an authority, that makes the coins themselves worth more than just the raw material of the coins.

Let's redo the math. The stated value of a flask of holy water is 25gp. Creating it requires 25 gp worth of powdered silver. This does not tell us anything about the amount of powdered silver required to reach 25 gp of value.

Now as to the profit... What exactly is preventing someone who wants to make a profit selling holy water from just selling it at 50 gp? Competition?

Frankly it would make sense that trying to make a profit on holy water would be seen as unethical, it's holy.

[shy stirrup]

Ah, my favoruite game, Dugeons & Economics

[cerulean monolith]

That’s simply not true historically. Metal coins were valued based on their weight and purity. The stamp was a certification that the listed purity was accurate and didn’t need to be tested, because it was trusted that the minting authority would list an accurate purity.

[heavy latch]

In medieval societies coins were worth what they were because they were pre-weighed and standardised measurements, making them slightly worth more than the raw materials. Btw this weight was tested with beans-

[hot marlin]

I feel like we're saying the same thing in different ways.

[heavy latch]

The minter would then make a slight profit called seignorage

[hot marlin]

The amount of gold required to mint a gold coin would be sold for a little less than an actual gold coin

[heavy latch]

But raw materials fluctuated more than the coin price, so sometimes the materials would exceed the seignorage and common people would illegally melt them down to sell the bullions, causing coin shortages

[hot marlin]

Oh now this is fun to know

[shy stirrup]

Or the gov't would shave the coin, cutting just a wee bit of the precious metal off, hence why today coins have ridged edges (mostly for show, tradition)

[sudden hollow]

Can we get back to making holy water? I need ways to get silver that are unconventional.. cause no one has any

[shy stirrup]

There's only really one way to make silver

[heavy latch]

Most medieval coins were not 24k gold, they would be a mix of silver and gold, around 22k, as 24k is way too soft, and would wear down, with the exception of the Byzantine Solidus(23k), English Noble(23.8k), and the Venetian/Florentine Florin(23.8^k)

[shy stirrup]

if you mean, the metal

[viral kraken]

what made currency made of precious metal valuable back when that was how currency was done was the material, that why shaving coins meant you were reducing the value of the coin, but would be hard to check on the fly without a scale. later currencies don't have anything to do with the value of the material the currency is made of, but there certainly were, and with how they value and weigh the coins and trade bars i think dnd is using the intrinsic value of the material as the primary value of the currency.

[shy stirrup]

And assuming you're not using literal alchemy, lead into gold

[cerulean monolith]

A gold coin with a face/stamp and an otherwise identical gold coin without said face/stamp would be equal in value, because the value is inherent to the weight and purity of the coin. Hence, if 25 gold pieces are equal in value to 250 silver pieces, and XX amount of powdered silver is equal to 25 gold pieces, and the value is determined purely by the raw materials, then then silver within 250 silver pieces is equal in value to XX amount of powdered silver.

[hollow estuary]

No. This is wrong.

$$C_{\text{make}} > C_{\text{buy}}$$

Establishing the costs

From the given information:

$$C_{\text{buy}} = 25 \text{ gp}$$

$$C_{\text{make}} = C_{\text{silver}} + C_{\text{slot}} + C_{\text{time}}$$

Where $C_{\text{silver}} = 25 \text{ gp}$ (given), $C_{\text{slot}}$ is the cost of expending a 1st-level spell slot, and $C_{\text{time}}$ is the opportunity cost of one hour.

Valuing the spell slot

A spell slot has no defined exchange rate in the D&D economy. It cannot be sold, traded, or purchased at any market price. It is a personal resource that regenerates fully after a long rest at zero monetary cost. Therefore, for any formal gold-piece analysis:

$$C_{\text{slot}} = 0 \text{ gp}$$

Valuing the time

Similarly, $C_{\text{time}}$ has no standard gp equivalent in the rules. A cleric or paladin's hour has no listed wage rate. Thus:

$$C_{\text{time}} = 0 \text{ gp}$$

The result

$$C_{\text{make}} = 25 \text{ gp} + 0 \text{ gp} + 0 \text{ gp} = 25 \text{ gp}$$

$$C_{\text{make}} = C_{\text{buy}}$$

This directly contradicts $C_{\text{make}} > C_{\text{buy}}$. In purely monetary terms, crafting holy water costs exactly the same as purchasing it.

[hot marlin]

what the hell just happened

[jolly canyon]

Now this is D&D

[lean wigeon]

bruh

[viral kraken]

breaking the rules i suspect

[shy stirrup]

Dungeons & Economics

[cursive fjord]

I cannot remember, do monks have a thing that let you make a simple weapon attack as a bonus action?

[cerulean monolith]

Looks like the AI you used to generate a response didn’t format its answer in plaintext.

[cursive fjord]

Not Unarmed, specifically a simple weapon

[heavy latch]

I mean if we're talking historically, then no, the stamp was a symbol of authenticity to say that the coin had been measured and checked to be the right purity, making it slightly more expensive

[hollow estuary]

Functions dont convert to text well

[cerulean monolith]

Humans write functions in plaintext though.

[sudden hollow]

What spell slot?

[hollow estuary]

I use calculator soup

copied the equations from there

https://www.calculatorsoup.com/

[hot marlin]

You use a spell slot as a cleric or paladin to make a flask

[cerulean monolith]

It didn’t change the value of the coin, it changed the willingness of people to accept the coin, because most common merchants wouldn’t have the capability to test the coin’s purity accurately.

[shy stirrup]

Currency relies on trust

to a degree

[hot marlin]

Isn't willingness to accept the same thing as value?

Or at least an important part of value?

[hollow estuary]

Yeah it is.

[viral kraken]

how? i can write them in mathmatical symbols on paper, but how do i write out anything but the most simple formulas in a text box? just to be fair

[heavy latch]

They absolutely did, just not modern day accurate, the stamp added on extra value, again called seignorage

[empty thicket]

Poison vial in the corner being 100gp for a not good DC const save and damage
Acid vial being a good damage without requirements and 25gp price

[hot marlin]

Oh enough. I'm writing an email to a medieval economics professor, we are getting to the bottom of this

[heavy latch]

LOL. Im a history nerd so ik a fair bit of this but if u can get a professional

[sudden hollow]

Oh a 1st level slot. Missed that part i was more concerned on where to get that much silver

[hot marlin]

Found a specialist! He wrote a book about the economic history of Italy during the high middle ages, teaches in Italy and France. Might be the best specialist on the subject. I'll compare to others.

[hollow estuary]

unfortunately in DND their are entire omnipotent dieties who do nothing but spread lies'

so much for trust ig

[heavy latch]

The Italian Republics often used high-purity coins cause they dealt mostly in international trade, so you'll see a fair bit of difference between them and say Germany

[hot marlin]

Good point. Which one is more accurate to D&D, you think?

[sudden hollow]

Neither of those are notoriously useful😅 im trying to get holy water so the other party members can fo stuff without me

[heavy latch]

Other coins that were worth more than their materials were stuff like the still common electrum coins, and the German Goldgulden (a Florin that had been washed down with lots of silver)

[hollow estuary]

im 100% sure that price is too high LOL.

A vial of acid costs more then a good quality warhammer.

[sudden hollow]

Also, id like to point out. A 5lb ingots of silver is 25gp. 250 sp is 25 gp. So im still consuming 2.5-5 lb of silver to make one flask

[hot marlin]

Admittedly many prices are relics of previous editions. Future editions should really rethink the prices of... Everything really

[rough basalt]

Well you are meant to get a crapload of gold from the getgo

[hot marlin]

I was about to say that maybe the high price of poisons is meant to represent the illegality of poison in most places but that doesn't make sense. People would still buy rat poison.

[lean wigeon]

IMO maybe currency should be heavily abstracted in some hypothetical new edition (as if haha)
afaik currency is the way it is in D&D because of "gold as XP" and nowadays no one really runs it that way anymore, not for a long time

it is, IMO, another cow that should be slaughtered

[void abyss]

guys is elven accuracy still a thing in 2024phb or did they kill it

[empty thicket]

Assassin poison that need to be digested 150gp.
Poison, Basic. 100gp
Be free to check

[cerulean monolith]

It depends on how seigniorage is being taken. If I give a mint 500 grams of gold, I could get 500 one-gram gold coins back, with the coins being only partially gold, or I could get a smaller amount of coins at 100% purity (obviously simplified). Either way, the coin’s value will be what it will be, it’s just the loss of material value the person using the mint suffers.

[hollow estuary]

yeah of course, was saying a vial of acid seems like a little scummy price too

[rough basalt]

Like the "once per session" loot hoard is like 2d4 x 100 gold and 1d4 - 1 magic items

[empty thicket]

how so? too pricy? expensive?

[hollow estuary]

Expensive.

25 gp is quite alot

[rough basalt]

Adventurers can easily afford adventuring gear.

It's why it's called that.

The average citizen doesn't need acid.

[empty thicket]

yep, but can be used in many things

[cerulean monolith]

Speak for yourself. I dissolve at least three corpses a week!

[empty thicket]

melt off a lock, bars, doors

without doing a lot of sound like you would with a crowbar

[rough basalt]

Alright I'm calling the guards.

[hollow estuary]

No man, they need acid bro. acid is vital for survival.

frfr

[peak pecan]

Hey, you can’t prove he isn’t a gravedigger!

[empty thicket]

And the basic poison think it can be used for kill rats and pests

[cerulean monolith]

Indeed, I go to graveyards, dig up corpses, dissolve them, then rebury the coffin.

[hollow estuary]

Cloak of the manta ray used to not require attunement i think

[peak pecan]

Basic poison is good at killing people; I don’t think it makes a great pesticide

[rough basalt]

I wish I'd see poison be used more but players have been conditioned to never use it

[empty thicket]

Sorta maybe not so much, its 1d4 yeah for 1 minute, meaning 10 turns so a possible 10d4 (40 max damage, 20 average) if they dont clean it off or are resistant to it

so you paid 100gp for 20 damage.

[hot marlin]

Admittedly, alchemists and metallurgists and jewelers and similar professions might make heavy use of acid

[empty thicket]

and all that dont saying there would be a giga low const save

[hollow estuary]

firebolt now applies the burning condition whenever it hits a object.

Im not sure what the rules are for fire spreading but im pretty sure if you were to spam firebolts constantly for a long time you could probably cause a wildfire that would ravage a sizable amount of the sword coast.

[empty thicket]

Me with a cool damascus sword (its not magic but have a goated pattern)

[hot marlin]

And then it rains

[hollow estuary]

😂

[empty thicket]

Yeah, better check the sky if it look like its going to rain before trying to burn down a forest

or if you want to try to put some smoke into a cave full of goblins

And you know there is no innocents there

[heavy latch]

not quite how that works, especially at the time, if coins are minted then their value rises because of the stamp of trust, the coin is always worth more than its base components

[woven flint]

I like to go for mummy tombs because they taste like jerky

[cloud bison]

Do we know why in 5e they decided not to batch/use more tags on spells?

[cerulean monolith]

That’s nice sweetie

[hollow estuary]

Fun fact. According to earlier edition supplements the axe of the dwarvish lords is in mount hotenow. like inside the lava of it.

pretty cool ig, if your into nice hot tubs you might find it.

[woven flint]

:333
also, hello, Samanuel

There, I did it right this time, right? 🤔

[rough basalt]

I'm ready for Monday. It's time for Orizontas to meet the grim reaper.

Tho tomorrow my Wizard might meet the grim reaper.

[empty thicket]

getting 4 warming stones into a hot tub so i get a warm jacuzzi in my cabin

[sudden hollow]

So... am I boned for holy water?

[hot marlin]

Fun fact: For a little while people actually ate egyptian mummies

[hollow estuary]

I doubt it's still there as of the 1490s but if it was how would yall retrieve it from there.

[woven flint]

Why are we so insistent on lilling Orizontas

[woven flint]

I know! That's the fun part
It wasn't illegal

[empty thicket]

how so buddy?

[rough basalt]

Idk. I don't think Orizontas can die.

[woven flint]

The Sky Father gave him plot armor

[rough basalt]

I'm glad i was able to break through my block tho and get some stuff done.

[strong wave]

I I just died in your arms tonight it must've been something undead I just died on your arms toniiight

[woven flint]

Sssshhh..

[strong wave]

Ok

I wish they'd make a DND movie sequel

[frosty canopy]

I heard an interesting take- Counterspell is one of the best designed spells in the game

[strong wave]

Why

[sudden hollow]

Getting the amount of silver needed for one let alone multiple is seeming impossible

[frosty canopy]

The long and short of their reasoning is that it makes spellcasting more interesting since you have to bait out reactions and consider it as a serious part of the gameplan

[hollow estuary]

The Wyrmskull throne is one of the few artifact level magic items that is guarenteed to be in a certain place.

and its pretty strong

[empty thicket]

welp, finding some alchemist that sell you the materials or some church whiling to sell you some of their holy water wont be too problematic i guess

[old sluice]

Although we do not have any indication on how much powdered silver is 25 gp

[sudden hollow]

It will be highly problematic. Silver is banned in the region. And the last church we were in locked us in the basement with a starving vampire

[umbral girder]

Besides maybe a smith or an alchemist

[old sluice]

Oh you're in Curse of Strahd?

[empty thicket]

Yes, if you met up with a new enemy you must be aware of what they can have.
You will have the spell ready like a gun waiting to be draw but the thing is, what if the next enemy have a stronger or more problematic spell?

[empty thicket]

even jewelry?

[old sluice]

That is a problem yeah. No silver mines in Barovia

[umbral girder]

Weelllll....

[sudden hollow]

Yes to my knowledge all silver was confiscated

[umbral girder]

Eh you'll find out probably.

[hollow estuary]

its pretty easy to get a moon touched sword to bypass immunities of vampires anyway

[empty thicket]

if it was confiscated might be in some place, waiting

[severe rampart]

... a vampire rules the land.

[empty thicket]

You cant get rid of all silver so easily

[severe rampart]

"Oh sorry, I was confiscating silver but that necklace is lovely, I think you should keep it"
-Strahd

[sudden hollow]

Yeah. Prolly in strahds castle.. the guy who can one shot us.. prolly in one turn

[hollow estuary]

You can get rid of silver that easily - Strahd von Zarovich.

[empty thicket]

500 meteorite cows.

[empty thicket]

weeeelllpp.... what are the other options?

[severe rampart]

Silver awarded by the DM

[hollow estuary]

5-hundred-cigarettes. 🚬

[rough basalt]

I have a goal for my Monday game.

[sudden hollow]

.....none to my knowledge. Im the only class that learns radiant damage

[severe rampart]

You can get a moon touched sword, or ask your DM for one

[sudden hollow]

Iron coins

[severe rampart]

Silver

[rough basalt]

Gonna keep throwing combat at them until they're out of t2. No rest, no social only combat /j

[sudden hollow]

There is none

[severe rampart]

Silver is different from Iron

[sudden hollow]

Once again

[empty thicket]

Go to another region and get silver, black market always exist even in tyranic moments

[sudden hollow]

The region uses iron coins there are no silver coins

[severe rampart]

I know, I'm running Curse of Strahd, there is no silver

[sudden hollow]

Cant leave

[severe rampart]

Dude I'm so angry that I can't tell you this because it's spoilers.

[empty thicket]

If not search other options instead of silver, Radiant damage, trap him in some way with sunlight

[severe rampart]

Sunlight doesn't insta kill vampires

Fracno are you ragebaiting, genuinely?

[empty thicket]

Idk, check some cementery where some dead bodies might have silver

[severe rampart]

oh yeah, because Strahd is above grave robbing

[empty thicket]

1, lower my words to ragebait is rude.
2, i dont know about the story of strhad. so chill down please.

[empty thicket]

It dont weaken them?

[severe rampart]

It weakens them, but it doesn't insta kill him

[sudden hollow]

He is a wizard and I garuntee darkness is a spell he knows

[hot marlin]

It deals... What? 20 damage a round and prevents shapeshifting

[hollow estuary]

I mean unless im wrong, if you got a twilight cleric and its a full moon out you can hold a freshly forged sword up into air, look at the moon and pray to Selune to bless your blade with a succesful religion check.

Worked in 2e lol.

[severe rampart]

they take 20 damage iirc and prevents shapeshifting

[hot marlin]

Jinx

[empty thicket]

Thanks.

[severe rampart]

But anyway, it's really up to your DM.

[atomic kayak]

short answer: yes you are wrong

[fossil hollow]

that is so far from anything in 5e yeah

[hollow estuary]

god dammit im too old for this 😭

[sudden hollow]

I thank you for that. I have been avoiding reading my copy of the module to avoid them myself

[empty thicket]

So what are the other options? nuclear stomp him?

[hollow estuary]

you see, back in the good old days black dragons used to instakill with their breath weapons

[empty thicket]

Drop 2 suns above him?

[severe rampart]

The option is... spoilers

[hot marlin]

Although trying to get weapons blessed by what few gods still have a lick of influence over Barovia is a good idea

[empty thicket]

i know, im trying to help the guy and dont worry, i dont know about teh story too so its kinda helping me too.

[hot marlin]

And frankly, while there are lots of undead... Holy water will not be very helpful in Barovia.

[severe rampart]

But anyway it is up to the DM

because like... if the DM doesn't give you options to take care of vampires in the vampire campaign then that's on them

[hollow estuary]

So my options are shar, shar and shar.

Oh yeah nera too.

[severe rampart]

No worries! Curse of Strahd is a wonderful campaign

[hot marlin]

Actually no. Barovia is not in Realmspace, so the usual gods of the Forgotten Realms are kinda useless there

[hollow estuary]

Okay so just nera.

[umbral girder]

Could also just use Divine Favor.

[severe rampart]

Divine Favor is a paladin spell, no?

[empty thicket]

Explore the region hiding for options?
If not the 500 cows blast is there, only need a druid to upcast conjure animals

[still plover]

Save versus Death did have a certain ring to it.

[hot marlin]

At the end of the day, any undead weak enough that the 2d6 damage of a holy water flask is meaningful can be dispatched easily enough that the holy water is unecessary.

[severe rampart]

Now I gotta touch up the statblocks I'm planning for next session of my Strahd game

[hollow estuary]

So im just gonna assume cleric isent a playable class in CoS

[severe rampart]

Cleric is playable and very clutch in CoS

[hot marlin]

Yes it is. You still get spells

[fossil hollow]

it very much is, dunno what youre talking about

[crimson gulch]

Why would classes be banned in curse of strahd?

[fossil hollow]

Incubus was talking about Holy Water lmao

[hollow estuary]

Are their barovia specific gods?

[severe rampart]

Lathander, but you don't need to worship Barovia gods

[fossil hollow]

There are temples of Lathander in Barovia

[hot marlin]

Sol misinterpreted my statement about how very few gods had influence within Barovia

[severe rampart]

ex: A character might worship Bane, or Chauntea, etc.

[hot marlin]

Not technically Lathander but "the morning lord". (Either actually Lathander according to a novel, or not Lathander according to other lore)

[fossil hollow]

I have a rogue who worshipped Bhaal in a COS game :D

[crimson gulch]

I have a cleric of cyric in my curse of strahd game

[severe rampart]

Clerics clutch in CoS

[empty thicket]

casting daylight in the face of strahd like a lantern would be funny... and dangerous

[hollow estuary]

yeah I see now

[severe rampart]

That's often the plan of most games

[empty thicket]

500 hundred daylights

[severe rampart]

Daylight doesn't stack

[hollow estuary]

5 hundred daylights

[severe rampart]

There's an echo in here

[empty thicket]

put daylight in his whole castle

[vast saddle]

What would you do if the place where you play your PC is pretty much no different from TKO (parent company of WWE)? In WM, some players may not be booked well.

[severe rampart]

I take 1d4 psychic damage, I can't tell you anything because it's spoilers

[hollow estuary]

Banishing undead sends them to the shadowfell

[empty thicket]

It will shine and seen between the stratosphere

[hollow estuary]

so like you can just like cast banishment on strahd if you waste his legendary resistances with stupid stuff like hold person

I assume he has LRs

[sturdy niche]

plus his domain of dread is and has been for eons, his new native plane

[hollow estuary]

wait hes a undead specifically hold person wont work

[sturdy niche]

so any banishment would be temporary

[odd valley]

it isn’t in dragonlance, if you go by the elden editions

[knotty vine]

Wild magic sorcerer update I rolled a nat 20 with sorcererus burst and did 35 damage to the first guy and 15 to the other guy

[crimson gulch]

That gets you a one minute break

[knotty vine]

Since it bouned

[sturdy niche]

you can, is not true, but you can make that assumption if you want

[hollow estuary]

Barovia is a shadowfell demiplane isent it.

[knotty vine]

2024: just cast daylight

[sturdy niche]

yes and no

[severe rampart]

Non't

[sturdy niche]

it and the other domains of dread are located in an isolated portion of the shadowfell

[crimson gulch]

More or less

[knotty vine]

Since daylight counts as Sunlight

[sturdy niche]

so it both is and isn't part of the shadowfell but is a demiplane of sorts but not your typical demiplane

[empty thicket]

Sunbean exist too but that is going higher in lvls too

[knotty vine]

Theres a feat that allows your light spell to count as sunlight aswell

[severe rampart]

what's it called? "Lightbearer"? lmao

[knotty vine]

Dealling with vampires has never been easier since book of hungers

[sturdy niche]

unless that vampire is strahd

[severe rampart]

I gave my vampire spawn in CoS a custom feature that makes it harder for players

[knotty vine]

Strahd is a vampire sunlight works on him too

[severe rampart]

well, not all vampire spawn

[fossil hollow]

He has special rules

[knotty vine]

Yeah

[hollow estuary]

Yeah was gonna say if you in the shadowfell you can kinda just leave assuming you know where to go.

[sturdy niche]

cuz darklords, while as much a prisoner and victim of their realm, have near god like abilities and control over their domain of dread, it is effectively an extention of the darklord

[knotty vine]

He still takes 20 rad damage per round in sunlight

[sturdy niche]

eh, not if you are in the domains of dread, without proper prep or permission, any attempt is largely a death sentence

[fossil hollow]

almost like Barovia might have special rules

[crimson gulch]

Not barovia

[hollow estuary]

East of the scarlet mountain in the silken forest, to the south of the fortress of lolth lies a portal to the material plane.

[severe rampart]

No Barovia is- 1d4 psychic damage... spoilers.

[empty thicket]

You know what, invocate Vecna and make Strahd will take off the highest threat, him

[severe rampart]

spoilers go in the #1029842470810439810 channel

[hollow estuary]

Actually if you are ever sent to the shadowfell just pray ngl.

[severe rampart]

even if using the "||" unfortunately

[hollow estuary]

You can either end up somewhere gloomy or end up in the house of a god.

[sturdy niche]

you say that as if it changes the outcome in the long term

[knotty vine]

Wall of force + daylight = farming kills

[sturdy niche]

oh it is so much worse than that you sweet summer child XD

[hollow estuary]

Or the vortex

can you spawn in water?

[severe rampart]

Hm, got me wondering, is there any BBEG in a campaign where they can't cast spells? just a straight up Martial

[empty thicket]

teleport away

[knotty vine]

He cant teleport

[sturdy niche]

vortex? what are you talking about?

[empty thicket]

not that i know

doing martial BBEGs is hard

[little stream]

I'm sorry read that as maritial

[knotty vine]

I perma stunned strahd before in a game 🤭

[severe rampart]

My vers of CoS is harder to the point my level 6 encounters are more difficult than RAW Strahd

[little stream]

I meannnn

[hollow estuary]

In the lake north of maroon forest lies a massive frikin whirlpool.

[fossil hollow]

Tiamat

[sturdy niche]

marron forest?

[knotty vine]

Strahd isnt immune to Poison

[hollow estuary]

locations in the shadowfell.

[shy stirrup]

Martials can't be BBEGs? Lord Soth (from Dragonlance) would like to have a word

[sturdy niche]

literally never heard of such a location

[fossil hollow]

spellcaster

[severe rampart]

Tiamat is a martial? I thought they were a wizard

Hm, is Lord of Blades a BBEG?

[shy stirrup]

He's a Death Knight, conceptually

[sturdy niche]

besides knowing landmarks and locations does not automatically give you a way out

[fossil hollow]

Tiamat doesnt cast spells per her statblock

[fossil hollow]

which. Is a spellcaster.

[sturdy niche]

it is a lot easier to pass into the shadowfell than to get out

[knotty vine]

Tiamat does kinda cast one spell

[hollow estuary]

right so they didnt make a 5e map of the shadowfell did they

[severe rampart]

Oh?

[sturdy niche]

yes, but he is also a caster

[knotty vine]

She can cast word of rad

3 times a day

[fossil hollow]

yeah, Lord of Blades is a level 20 Artificer

[sturdy niche]

you expect a map of a plane that is infinite in scale? if not near infinite

[woven flint]

Looks at Kas

[knotty vine]

I mean Divine Rad

[woven flint]

Are we forgetting Kas?

[knotty vine]

Divine word

[woven flint]

He's a Martial BBEG

[severe rampart]

is there no pure martial BBEG

[woven flint]

BBEG material*

[sturdy niche]

there likely is, but they are likely obsucre or unknown to most

[hollow estuary]

its as big as the prime material plane.

[fossil hollow]

i dont think Zariel has spells....?

nvm

[sturdy niche]

which is massive cuz all the prime material plane worlds share the same feywild and shadow fell, so it is far too massive for a map to be reasonable

[woven flint]

All the Archdevils have spells

😔

[sturdy niche]

at best you could maybe get a map of sections, but the whole thing, that is just not reasonable

[knotty vine]

Kas isnt really a archdevil

[hollow estuary]

right okay so essentially to summarize it, vecna lolth and kas have their house there.

you dont wanna spawn in vecnas house

or lolth has A house there

[sturdy niche]

they have territory there, but i would not call them a house, especially vecna and lolth

[hollow estuary]

like essentially lolth has a beachhouse there.

[woven flint]

I didn't say Kas was an Archdevil.

[sturdy niche]

also i'd take my chances with either of them if my alternative was orcus, who also has territory in the shadowfell

[knotty vine]

I mean BBEG

What Im I on today

[hollow estuary]

or you can just walk to the feywild 😂

they border eachother physically

[woven flint]

Yeah, I know, he's BBEG material, but is never the BBEG of anything

[knotty vine]

At least in the context of the of where his stat block is from

[sturdy niche]

technically you could argue the tarrasque is a fully martial bbg, if you don't mind having a living super weapon that is hungry for anything other than itself and only wakes up to go on a rampage when it is hungry as a bbeg

[knotty vine]

Tarrasuque is more so a force of nature

[sturdy niche]

no, you can't, not directly at least, to my knowledge the feywild and shadowfell don't intersect in any cosmology or edition

[knotty vine]

Like ive never come across a Tarrasque natruelly

[sturdy niche]

yeah, for good reason

[hollow estuary]

King Snurre Ironbelly, King of the fire giants.

[sturdy niche]

they literally sleep deep beneath the planet when they are not up and about

[knotty vine]

Yeah so like

[little stream]

Are they Kaiju but in DnD?

[knotty vine]

Pretty much

[woven flint]

Yeah, but its not an individual like most other BBEGS, it's a species

I'd assume we're talking about individuals

[hollow estuary]

snurre is a fully martial bbeg

Against the giants

[sturdy niche]

and historically have natural defenses against divinization magics, so you are unlikely to come across one until it is too late

[knotty vine]

Most level 20+ things could be a be BBEG things

[sturdy niche]

yes, but no, general kaiju is more so the older incarnations of the gargantua, but otherwise the do fit the definition as kaiju means "a giant monster of a type featured in Japanese fantasy and science fiction films and television programmes:" so technically any giant monsters could be considered a kaiju

[hollow estuary]

a archmage can put a tarrasque to sleep using the inprisonment spell

Essentially one of the options of the spell is slumber, target has unconsious condition and cant be awoken, and you can set the trigger for the release of the spell to be " when the target dies "

it will happen in the next decade so yeah it works

[limber trail]

the thing about kas is he works so much better as a villain in a Vecna story, where by default vecna is probably the bbeg already.

It would be sick to run a campaign where Kas is the threat to all existence and maybe the party even needs to petition vecna for help taking him down

[sturdy niche]

depends on the edition and source sometimes, like on toril there is only 1 known to exist, they are in more recent times scattered across the multiverse, one waking up when another is killed, to quote part of their latest setting agnostic lore "It is a mystery what—if anything—calms the tarrasque, but eventually it returns to its slumber, leaving the world irrevocably changed. While the tarrasque might be halted by incredible opposition, its threat can never be wiped from the multiverse. Whenever the tarrasque is defeated, another tarrasque awakes somewhere else on the Material Plane." end quote

[hollow estuary]

" Give me back my eye first. " - Vecna prob.

[sturdy niche]

not really

[limber trail]

I mean honestly yeah.

Kas is doing something to destroy the world. The party needs Vecna to help stop it. Vecna will only help if his eye and hand are returned to him.

[sturdy niche]

he eventually has them return to him, otherwise it benefits him to not have his eye or hand, they are tools for him gaining the secrets of the fools that attune to them

[knotty vine]

I really hope we got a 2024 vecna stat block

[hollow estuary]

Was vecna the archlich a 2014?

[sturdy niche]

honestly i doubt we will get one unless it is for an avatar or pre-apotheosis like it was in the vecna dossier

[limber trail]

I hope we get a seriously messed up properly CR 30 vecna stat block. I want the kind of block that people are gonna be suffering against at level 20.

[woven flint]

I feel like Kas destroying the world would be ... kinda dumb?

His whole entire character has always be undermining Vecna at every turn, he literally has no greater aspirations and no REAL reason to want to destroy thd world

[limber trail]

To be clear i threw out destroy the world as a random placeholder, it would be something a little more fitting

[sturdy niche]

yes it is was before the 2024 books were announced or possibly even developed, but gods especially high ranking ones don't really need statblocks, cuz the players at least in 5e, are not expected to have any chance of defeating them in a conventional combat encounter

[woven flint]

Kas taking Vecnas power and using it to build an empire sounds more him imo

[little stream]

That's the thing, deep sleep caught my attention

Let's say King Kong or Dragons are quote unquote monsters in their own right but they're not Kaiju

[woven flint]

Just to flex on Vecna

[knotty vine]

The vecna in 5e is just..bad

[sturdy niche]

disagree

[knotty vine]

His stat block doesnt scream "arch lich"

[hollow estuary]

Vecna has less HP then a lich in 2024 😭

[knotty vine]

A level 14 party can beat him none the less a level 20

[sturdy niche]

if you are looking at just pure mechanics and nothing else and comparing him to his reputation, sure he is bad, but if you take all the context in, it is a t the very least decent

[knotty vine]

Well when I said "hey this guys stat block is bad" I mean his stat block not his lore

[sturdy niche]

and? unlike a normal lich he needs no phylactry and can endure out of sheer refusual, no other undead has that both flavor and mechancis wise

[paper portal]

he's an arch lich in the same way dracula's gay cousin is an arch vampire

[knotty vine]

And again 2014 was just really easy when it came to making monsters

Mainly because resistence/immuntity to non magical BPS ment nothing by level 6

Since most if not all characters would have a way to get around that

[sturdy niche]

stopping vecna in a fight in 5e is not about killing him, it is about stopping him for now, vecna will never give up on his goals of ruling the multiverse any stop is temparary, after all as both an undead and god, he has until the heat death of the multiverse to achieve his goal and has come close depending on how you look at it once or twice, which is more than most villians can say

[knotty vine]

Vecna isnt even a god in 5e

[sturdy niche]

yes he is

[fossil hollow]

he is

[knotty vine]

Not the stat block

[bronze wave]

his statblock isnt i think

[fossil hollow]

omfg

[sturdy niche]

that is because the statblock is him before he became a god, they made that very clear

[bronze wave]

Nah Vecna should still be stronger tho, like hes cr26 and has horrible stats for it

[knotty vine]

Im talking about his stat block not him as a whole

[bronze wave]

he shouldnt roll over

[hollow estuary]

i mean it takes two hours and 50 gp to craft a moon touched sword if you have 4 people with smiths tools.

[knotty vine]

Im I speaking spanish

[sturdy niche]

and if it was for him as a god, it would work well enough for an avatar

[bronze wave]

that bumass avatar

[knotty vine]

stares at the avatar of tiamat

[sturdy niche]

but vecna is very much a god in 5e, he never lost his divinity

[bronze wave]

Ive seen an avatar of a god, like twice

theyd eat vecna

[hollow estuary]

Vecna and Tiamat hold the same divine rank.

[sturdy niche]

depending on the setting

[hollow estuary]

Takhisis dosent count

[knotty vine]

Vecna was a greater god

hes a lesser god now

[hollow estuary]

(what)

[knotty vine]

In 2e

Die vecna Die

[bronze wave]

His ass was in 2e?

[hollow estuary]

RIGHT

[knotty vine]

You know first god to breach the walls of sigal

[hollow estuary]

Yeah i know that

[bronze wave]

His old ass

Vecna is older then me I think

[hollow estuary]

He absorbed your son and breached the walls of sigil right?

[little stream]

My take on vecna is that it couldnt die, reincarted how many times it needed. Let's say an angel or am I wrong

[twilit shell]

Wow I am glad he got the chance to try out the DnD TTRPG after his role in Stranger Things. Good for Vecna

[knotty vine]

Im pretty sure one of the 2024 books called vecna more of a demigod

[sturdy niche]

no, they don't

[knotty vine]

Might as well be if that "vecna the archlich" is his avatar

Granted Vecna eye of ruin was a... bad adventer so

[sturdy niche]

you are likely thinking of Iuz the evil

[bronze wave]

isnt the only lvl20 campaign?

[sturdy niche]

only?

20th is the max in 5e

[hollow estuary]

Vecna absorbed Iuz, also fun fact tasha is iuz's mom.

so shes speaking from experience 🔥

[severe rampart]

I think they meant campaign that went all the way to level 20

[knotty vine]

Hi

[little stream]

Is said mother in the room rn?

[sturdy niche]

and saying it is a bad adventure is a matter of opinion, and most people who say that tend to be doing it based on what they wanted it to be rather than what it is

[bronze wave]

only as in singular, its the only offical campaign that goes up to lvl20 (that I know of)

We need more paladin roles