dnd-discussion

[halcyon bison]

Use skeletons then

Honestly I've been saying "zombies" a lot but skeletons are probably superior in most scenarios

[hot marlin]

So basically, a corpse is first stripped down to the bones, then reanimated?

[halcyon bison]

Yep!

guess who could do that labor? The undead!!!!!!!!

[hot marlin]

Can probably just throw the naked corpse in a maggot bath to accelerate the process I suppose. Maggot farms would be used to support the undead industry...

[reef tundra]

Grave clerics would be horrified

[hot marlin]

Damn... Now that I think about it, as long as you're not prone to disgust, working in such a maggot farm where you breed and prepare the maggot baths, get the corpses inside, and retrieve the bones once the maggots have worked, might be a chill job

[halcyon bison]

Undead would probably be good at weaving too
Probably baking as well, though maybe only with a supervisor

[onyx sluice]

End up with a thumb in the dough

[halcyon bison]

Adds flavor

[cerulean monolith]

You’ve touched upon the core of the paradox of abundance. In theory, if you have an abundance of a resource it ceases to be a resource and instead is just a fact of life. However, a resource doesn’t become abundant overnight. The production of commodities automatically will, by necessity of those items being commodities in the first place, result in the loss of human(oid) labor.

[onyx sluice]

Special surprise

[halcyon bison]

I mean that's no less true with a mortal workforce either
the difference is that exploiting them is much less ethical

Not really a problem with necromancy and moreso with capitalism

[knotty vine]

D&D truth or false Traxigor is the highest CR beast:

[errant crag]

False

[reef tundra]

Idk what that thing is but fue

Tralse

[halcyon bison]

War is also an excellent use of undead
RAW skeletons come pre-equipped and pre-proficient in a ranged and melee weapon :3
They don't suffer from morale issues, don't get sick, and don't suffer from hunger or fatigue

[knotty vine]

Amity is.... Right

[reef tundra]

WHAT

[cerulean monolith]

Commodities can only exist if labor has value, and laborers are either rewarded or retain value for their labor. Thus, laborers lose out if their labor is made obsolete

[woven flint]

Tasha is wrong

I'm here to be a contrarian /silly

[reef tundra]

Also grave clerics and awakened undead would be truly horrified at mass inhumane enslavement of their kind

[reef tundra]

But that means I’m not right which isn’t right so that means it’s true

[knotty vine]

Traxigor is a special case of an arch wizard who was turned into a tiny beast via the wish spell

And he is CR 12

Out classing any other beast

[reef tundra]

I was about to talk about spinosaurus being a CR 13 beast but that’s not an official book damn it Amity

[knotty vine]

Yeah the strongest beast is a spell caster

[hot marlin]

The highest CR beast is any non-beast of CR above 12 using a true polymorph spell to turn themselves into a beast

[woven flint]

You're actually not real :3

[zinc hare]

What's a fun species for barbarian

We are at level 1

[halcyon bison]

but wait... am i real?

[woven flint]

Perhaps
Perhaps not

[halcyon bison]

hmmmmmmmm

[reef tundra]

I’m a real bi- 💅

[halcyon bison]

im a real lesbian :3 (or maybe also bi i dunno)

[woven flint]

I'm a fake man

I'm not even a human

[reef tundra]

Classic orc. Or human for the extra feat. Or dwarf for more HP

[zinc hare]

Oo very nice

Which type of dwarf is better cause aren't their Gray ones too

[halcyon bison]

halfling

halfling with humungous greataxe

[reef tundra]

Deugar can get out of here >:( /lhj

[stray atlas]

just had a thought

[twilit sail]

https://www.gmbinder.com/share/-M5dNrOifwrAHIBy5t0b

[halcyon bison]

(only in 2024 cause for some reason 2014 small species struggle with heavy weapons)

[stray atlas]

how do tortles work with barbarians?

[zinc hare]

What's wrong with them 😭

[torpid hound]

What if a Monk multiclassed into a Fighter to grab the Nick Mastery?

[severe rampart]

for what reason?

[woven flint]

Just go full monk tbh

[torpid hound]

More attack

[woven flint]

A singular extra attack isn't gonna do much for a monk

[severe rampart]

You can't.

[reef tundra]

They’re just bad people

[torpid hound]

???

[halcyon bison]

but its funny :3

[severe rampart]

Well, you can, but not with your fists

[reef tundra]

-# Amity again with the underdark double expectation

[severe rampart]

Shortsword Nick mastery, Flurry of Blows, but that's not really gonna do much.

[torpid hound]

Shortsword is Vex

[errant crag]

Grasp of Hadar being once per turn is so silly and I hate it

Let me yoink an enemy right up to my face

[severe rampart]

Yeah, but you need to use a light weapon in order to use nick.

"When you take the Attack action on your turn and attack with a Light weapon, you can make one extra attack as a Bonus Action later on the same turn."

[zinc hare]

Oh

Mean dwarfs

[torpid hound]

Nick squeezes the extra attack into the first attack action

[severe rampart]

Shortsword is only an example

[reef tundra]

Yup. And unlike drow I have seen no exception yet

[severe rampart]

I know. but you can't DO the attack if you don't USE a light weapon

You can't for example, use a greatsword and then use nick.

[zinc hare]

I'll be thr change 😎

[severe rampart]

because a greatsword isn't light.

[woven flint]

Not all Duergar are bad people
Also, really, I can't blame them for having SOME bad blood
They were enslaved by Mindflayers and abandoned by the rest of their species

[torpid hound]

Martial Arts boosts the damage anyway

[halcyon bison]

basically having nick lets you dual wield as a monk without sacrificing your bonus action (which would be bad because you can already make an attack with your bonus action with your unarmed strike)

[reef tundra]

Awww, yeah!

[cerulean monolith]

Nick needs to be on the first weapon, not the second

[reef tundra]

…. You have a point

[cerulean monolith]

So you can do Dagger then Shortsword, but not Shortsword then Dagger

[woven flint]

Duergar are kinds easy to feel sympathetic towards lol

[zinc hare]

Maybe I was a Deugar who attacked a halfling village and was cursed and turned back to an infant and raised good

[reef tundra]

I am fairly certain it does need to be on the second

[torpid hound]

Oh yeah, pick up a second mastery too

[marble lion]

Who are vex and nick? Everyones talking about them

[halcyon bison]

I like all the underdark people
I like the underdark in general
Its a funky place :3

[severe rampart]

it does need to be the second, no?

[cerulean monolith]

You’re wrong

[torpid hound]

Weapon masteries

[fossil hollow]

Wild sam spotted

[severe rampart]

since you need to do the attack action first, and the BA attack is squeezed into it

[woven flint]

Not all Duergar are bad people, you don't have to do these types of Shenanagins to justify your character being a good person lol

[torpid hound]

Lemme check the description for Nick

[severe rampart]

When you make the extra attack of the Light property, you can make it as part of the Attack action instead of as a Bonus Action. You can make this extra attack only once per turn.

[zinc hare]

Halfling parents nice tho

[severe rampart]

Unarmed strikes lack the light property

[fossil hollow]

in fact, they lack any property

[cerulean monolith]

The weapon that triggers the ‘squeezing’ is part of the attack action. Nick doesn’t care about the BA attack weapon, only that it meets the normal requirements for that attack

[torpid hound]

MONKS CAN USE WEAPONS

[severe rampart]

I know.

[fossil hollow]

they dont have masteries

[woven flint]

You can absolutely do that, maybe they were mining or cave diving and found your biological parents slain by monsters and they found you tucked away in your mothers bag or something

[torpid hound]

I literally said multiclass into Fighter

[severe rampart]

Oh my god. Blast Master. Read my message clearly, please.

[fossil hollow]

I was not here when you said that

[severe rampart]

I mentioned here that Monks need to use a weapon in order to use the nick mastery.

[torpid hound]

What's stopping you from using weapons?

[severe rampart]

Nothing, but I'm saying you can't use your fists with nick.

[torpid hound]

Then use something else with nick

[viral kraken]

what about with nick at nite?

[fossil hollow]

then why be a monk

[severe rampart]

Right, so you can't flurry of blows.

[torpid hound]

Headbutt twice

[severe rampart]

You have one weapon in each hand.

[severe rampart]

I... have been bested.

I didn't consider a headbutt, I suppose you can do that

[cerulean monolith]

You don’t need a free hand to make an Unarmed Strike

[jolly canyon]

I think blast master is saying Weapon Attack -> Nick Attack -> Flurry of Blows Attack. Idk if that's raw but that's the only reason I can think someone would bother bringing up monk and nick together

[woven flint]

Just play an Astral Monk in 2024 rules, they get an Extra Attack in flurry of blows and it stacks with the feature that already gives them amother attack for flurry of blows since they're different features

[severe rampart]

that is RAW

[cerulean monolith]

Can everybody take twenty read the rules then come back

[severe rampart]

We're D&D players we don't read the rules

[jolly canyon]

Good to know. I'm learning new stuff everyday

[halcyon bison]

or kick! Or bite!! or elbow!!!

[errant crag]

That's a tall order

[woven flint]

Voila, 7 Attacks

[severe rampart]

it's 7:26 in the morning here, cut me some slack

[halcyon bison]

there are lots of fun non-punching ways to do unarmed attacks :3

[viral kraken]

well, no. a quarter of citizens in my country can't even read at a sixth grade level

[halcyon bison]

i wish people used more of them

[errant crag]

I bite

[woven flint]

Well... Awakened Astral Self is a 17th level feature so.. kinda nevermind? Lol

[cerulean monolith]

Are you one of them? Probably not

[halcyon bison]

The dhampir in the party:

[fossil hollow]

damn Sam with the steel chair

But alas, sometimes i do find myself in tha 25%

[jolly canyon]

Ha! It sounded so sassy but technically was a compliment

[severe rampart]

Lmao 70% of the citizens in my country can't read at a sixth grade level 😭

[torpid hound]

Actually, multiclass into Ranger instead

[woven flint]

Most of my Monks use Kicks and Shin strikes personally 🧐

[reef tundra]

Got my PHB in front of me, someone fight me /j

[viral kraken]

the question wasn't if i could take twenty to read the rules, it was if we all could, and i can assure you not all of us can

[woven flint]

Why not just.. play a full monk?
They're arguably the strongest soloclass martial up until a certain point

[severe rampart]

you shouldn't even consider fighter with monk

[reef tundra]

Idk, if they wanna try squeeze in an extra attack, I cannot judge

[jolly canyon]

I have well above a 6th grade reading level but I do have to read some of the PHB/DMG rules several times cause the wording is strange at times.

[torpid hound]

I swapped it with Ranger

[severe rampart]

Your monk abilities are so much better 😋

[severe rampart]

Why Ranger?

[torpid hound]

Hunter's Mark works EVERY TIME you land a hit

[reef tundra]

That might work a little better

[severe rampart]

Eh, fair point

be a Bugbear too while you're at it

[reef tundra]

Oh I see the vision now

[severe rampart]

oh wait, gloomstalker

[viral kraken]

bugbear monk would be fun

[severe rampart]

I do wonder if Ranger Monk MC would do better as a bugbear rather than just a pure Gloomstalker Bugbear

because... well it's a gloomstalker bugbear.

[woven flint]

You all make me sick

Wanting to multiclass the ALREADY Supreme MONK?!
I spit on you.
/silly

[errant crag]

I feel like Ranger Monk works way better than Barbarian Monk or Barbarian Ranger which are what I'm grappling with lately with my multiclass challenge I'm doing

[primal estuary]

being limited to 3 races is a reasonable reason to not want to join a campaign, right?

[severe rampart]

Yeah

[errant crag]

Yes

[feral fulcrum]

Alot of things work better then being mixed with Barbarian

[woven flint]

You're my greatest enemy now
Its on sight /joking

[torpid hound]

4 ability dependent?

[feral fulcrum]

Baribarian is generally just unfriendly to multiclassing

[severe rampart]

Dex, Wisdom??

[reef tundra]

Very reasonable. Genuinely

[viral kraken]

well ya, it just not being for you is a reason to not join. no reason to have to have a reason to not be feeling it

[severe rampart]

Ranger Monk only needs Wisdom and Dex (and Con)

[torpid hound]

Strength, Dexterity, Constitution, Wisdom

[errant crag]

I'm doing a challenge where I make a "Barbarian/X" character of every other class in the game. I've got 5 or so of them done already. It's been a fun thought experiment/challenge

[severe rampart]

Why the hell would you need Strength??

[fossil hollow]

Fighter does not need both STR and DEX

[errant crag]

And some of them are better than I'd expected

[woven flint]

They're talking about barbarian

[primal estuary]

like i’m all for the DM having creative control but human elf and dwarf isnt exactly something im really interested in, and each of them can only have 1 homebrewed variant

[torpid hound]

Barbarian/Monk and Barbarian/Ranger do

[reef tundra]

They’re talking about Monk Barb I think

[fossil hollow]

why was talking about barbarian????

[errant crag]

I WAS

[reef tundra]

Everyone, let’s just slow down here

[viral kraken]

like your time is finite, so make sure the games you join are the ones you want to play

[severe rampart]

Use Dex Weapons as a Barbarian then

[fossil hollow]

Oh right, Pink

[severe rampart]

Cast Slow

[torpid hound]

No rage or reckless attack then

[fossil hollow]

im still stuck on the monk

[reef tundra]

On it

[fossil hollow]

Dagger and Rapiers are a thing

[woven flint]

Most Dex weapons are finesse and can be used with strength anyway lol

[errant crag]

I've done:
Barbarian Rogue
Barbarian Wizard
Barbarian Cleric
Barbarian Paladin
Barbarian Monk

Today's assignment is Barbarian Bard

[reef tundra]

Everyone, let’s all slow down and limit to about 2 topics at a time

[errant crag]

This has been a lot of fun

[torpid hound]

The attack itself needs to be used with strength

[reef tundra]

Wooo you took my suggestion!

[severe rampart]

My mind can only comprehend two messages at a time

[severe rampart]

the Bardbarian

[errant crag]

It's already stacking up to be better than Barbarian Wizard and Barbarian Monk

[bronze wave]

theres a class thats like barb but has spells and better defense

its pretty cool

[severe rampart]

which is?

[feral fulcrum]

These messages brought to you by a paid sponorship of checks notes The Modron March?

[torpid hound]

Barbarian/Rogue doesn't sound so bad, use a Rapier and a Shield, Sneak Attack doesn't need you to use Dexterity with your finesse weapon

[halcyon bison]

hmm i wonder what class #1 paladin fan might be talking about

[reef tundra]

Hell yes

[woven flint]

Make an Artificer named Steven Kraft

[feral fulcrum]

No.

[woven flint]

Yes

[errant crag]

It's definitely the best from that list, Barbarian Rogue is a solid build if you do it right. I played one from 1 to 12.

[severe rampart]

Art D. Phiser

[torpid hound]

Artdificer?

[feral fulcrum]

This isn't One Piece, get your D's out of here

[errant crag]

I'm just waiting for someone to look at this and tell me I shouldn't multiclass because they missed the context that I'm doing a challenge/thought experiment

[woven flint]

Play a monk named Monky D. Loofie (I know its Luffy shhh)

[viral kraken]

you shouldn't multiclass it's less good!

[torpid hound]

What class would a devil fruit even be?

[severe rampart]

I got a rogue named Roux G.

[feral fulcrum]

None of them.

[woven flint]

Logistically...
Any class

[feral fulcrum]

They don't match well at all to any class.

[severe rampart]

None

[errant crag]

I think the Barbarian Paladin is way better than I could have ever expected, I expected it to be hotdog water levels of bad but all you're really missing out on is the smites

[reef tundra]

Don’t we already have a one piece ttrpg system?

[woven flint]

Devil Fruit powers are so different from eachother that almost anything could be flavored as one

You folks are too negative smh

[feral fulcrum]

It's kind of like asking what class Silver Age Superman is, the powers are too wacky and varied to match anything in D&D

[errant crag]

I think Barbarian Ranger or Barbarian Sorcerer will genuinely end up being the worst pairing in the whole challenge/experiment

[severe rampart]

I'm more of a glass is half full or half empty depending on what you did with it last

[reef tundra]

Reflavouring barbarian rage as stoneskin would be a cool one!

[viral kraken]

oh i thought the question was about a devil fruit, not a person or thing with devil fruit power

[frank lark]

I’m trying to make a boss who uses gravity, any spell ideas?

[severe rampart]

Meteor Swarm

[errant crag]

Erupting Earth

[severe rampart]

Command: Grovel

[reef tundra]

Reverse gravity is a given, but giving them abilities that push or pull should go with

[errant crag]

Levitate

[feral fulcrum]

Isn't Graviturgy a thing from one of the third party books?

[woven flint]

I'm more of a Chad
Glass Always Full
Guy

[severe rampart]

Eldrich Blast flavored

[viral kraken]

vortex warp goes well with reverse gravity

[reef tundra]

I’m a “fill my glass with milk god damn it” gal

[woven flint]

Because even an 'empty' glass is still full of air /silly

[reef tundra]

Also negativity can be so suffocating sometimes, and so vocal. So I like trying to defeat it with positivity

[odd valley]

yes, there’s actually two from what i can tell

[lean wigeon]

fighter because 5e can do and emulate anything and everything

[jolly canyon]

No glass for me. Straight from a plastic Lightning McQueen sippy cup

[reef tundra]

Perfection

[frank lark]

The character is what’s known as a “Constant” in the verse (mandatory for the verse to live) and they’re known as the Constant of Force, Enactment and Chaos so I’ll also need to figure out stuff for that

But that’ll be easier

[viral kraken]

i was normal once, but then someone made me wonder about the world of pixar Cars a little too much, and now there is no going back 🤯

[grand peak]

Owlbear man from critical role is a barbarian rogue. Just need to determine build.

[woven flint]

I'm on the quest for the Funi Funi No Mi fruit, I'll then be the silliest creature in the Multiverse

[rough basalt]

It's from Wildemount.

[woven flint]

It's not enough being a King of Goofy in THIS realm

[fossil hollow]

which is still first party and also partnered content

[rough basalt]

It's awkward cause Chronurgy and Graviturgy are the same magic

But they made them two separate subs.

[feral fulcrum]

I keep thinking it's third party.

Especially since everyone treats it like it is as far as I'm aware

Always comes up when people start talking about things banned at tables

[reef tundra]

Wildemount strikes again, the goat

[halcyon bison]

does the king of goofy have a jester

[woven flint]

I'm the King and the Jester

[halcyon bison]

so you entertain yourself?

[woven flint]

A little
I find myself a bit funny, even if others sometimes do not.

At least I find joy in myself
And that's all that matters

[halcyon bison]

aw thats nice :3

but perhaps the king of goofy should have one or even many jesters

[reef tundra]

He does. That’s why he’s got discord /j

[halcyon bison]

hmm good point

does /j stand for /jest

[rough basalt]

Joke/joking but same thing yeah

[halcyon bison]

nay, a jester tells jests and a joker is a batman villan

[woven flint]

The smiling king oft sits in his court alone, but that's okay, he finds joy in making his servants happy 🧐

[halcyon bison]

im trying to volunteer
i need a job

[reef tundra]

On the bright side, no job means nothing to schedule around for dnd

My job gets in the way all the time

[halcyon bison]

true!!!!

but it would be pretty silly to have your royal jester work on whatever hours she pleases :33333

[reef tundra]

I’m a Queen, my working hours are 24/7 💅

[rough basalt]

Soon I may have time to get started on my massive pile of ttrpg stuff.

[halcyon bison]

soon i will do the prepping for the session im supposed to be prepping for

[errant crag]

I feel like I managed to whip up something decent with the Barbarian Monk for this multiclass challenge

I think it's way better than I ever could have expected to get out of Barbarian Monk when I started

[rough basalt]

I'm half tempted to just grab one of my comics and relax instead

Need to come up with a bonus effect for two HB weapons

Thinking I should make the one for the Goddess of Life allow you to attack allies to heal them.

[halcyon bison]

Hits with hammer- STOP DYING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[jolly canyon]

My cousin just told me he and his wife will be moving back to my state in less than 2 months. That in person dnd table is back on the menu!

[rough basalt]

Reminds me my Gunslinger making a subclass based off Ana from overwatch

Could shoot allies to heal them.

[woven flint]

Ana mentioned.

Angery tank player

[rough basalt]

It even had a nanoboost ability

At level 10, you'd get the effects of the Enlarge spell (GS holds conc) and a 4d12 + mod heal

As a once per LR ability

[errant crag]

Would Elemental Adept be too strong if it worked on any damage rolls of the appropriate type instead of just spells?

[rough basalt]

I'm half tempted to turn it into a Cleric Subclass rather than fix my GS's issues

[sweet osprey]

I made a new dnd character.. and I may be laughing about it. Help

[woven flint]

What's up?

[sweet osprey]

Bard, noble, dragonborn, and egotistical thrown into a blender to create Silvana Scornbook. My newest character ready for use

[tidal glacier]

Anyone have a newly created Campaign I can join pls

[woven flint]

That's pretty cool

[sweet osprey]

Now I just have to find a campaign where I can be absolutely myself without a filter

[lavish flame]

I don't really think so, I've been thinking about letting it apply to stuff like Flametongue hits or a Monk's cooler punch

[bronze wave]

eh not rlly, itd be better but i doubt many martials would take it

[woven flint]

Be a Raccoon... interesting

[trim kayak]

I was thinking of buying baldurs gate, opinions? Im scared of not getting "attached" to the game, how many hours of gaming it offers?

[rough basalt]

Its probably my favorite game of the 2020s

But I also enjoy CRPGs

I know a lot of people it was their first CRPG and it was also their favorite game.

Nicest thing about it is the mod menu

[umbral girder]

Which one?

[trim kayak]

The things is I dont have nor I like being 5 hours sitting in front of a computer, I hope baldurs gate to be a game which I can also enjoy by playing short sessions

[trim kayak]

3

[umbral girder]

A good 100 hours in a single run can happen.

Maybe 70 on average?

[rough basalt]

Yeah it's a long game.

[odd valley]

yeah, i think i darn near hit 200 on my first run lmao

[umbral girder]

Idk it’s a pretty big game that is worth its money

[rough basalt]

Especially if you do everything

It's also got one of the best boss fight songs in gaming imo

[umbral girder]

Disney villain song right there (affectionate)

[versed pollen]

What ways to gain advantage on ranged attacks (multiple not just first)

Spells or feats w/e

[fossil hollow]

#optimization

[mighty wharf]

Gang I face a dilemma. I wanted to join another DnD group, and I found one with a mutual friend. I've sat in on one of their sessions and it seems pretty cool, DM seems pretty competent but a little out there, definitely would like to join. The problem is, the ONLY time the table can do sessions is on Saturday's, which I'm already doing DnD with my original group, and a DM that is my friend but idk how to feel about.

What should I do?

[severe rampart]

Oof, time overlaps?

[mighty wharf]

Yeah... and I don't think there's any way of finding another date.

[severe rampart]

I think this is a scenario where there is no right answer, if you do pick a group though just communicate honestly

[sharp sapphire]

Wym

[sharp sapphire]

?

[severe rampart]

is it not clear?

[mighty wharf]

Ykw maybe I should do a pros and cons list between each table, post it here, and see what you all think.

[severe rampart]

I advise against that, but it is your call

[rough basalt]

Truly, its so peak

Honestly one of the best villains of games too

[umbral girder]

The fact it’s an optional side quest song

[rough basalt]

The fact its optional is even crazier

[umbral girder]

Hidden behind a puzzle too

[rough basalt]

To gear it back to dnd it proves Puzzles are good

[umbral girder]

I don’t know if I can reward my players with Disney villain songs for completing puzzles /jk

[mighty wharf]

Why would you advise against it?

[severe rampart]

Would only make the decision more difficult, it wouldn't bear anything and you'd be left with the same hard decision

Instead ask yourself, "Is there anything wrong with either of these groups?"

[mighty wharf]

Well maybe if I list the pros and cons, the choice will be more blatantly obvious

[severe rampart]

something that would be a dealbreaker

[severe rampart]

It is your call

[mighty wharf]

Something that would be a deal breaker... hmm...

[empty thicket]

Attending at time
Roleplaying properly and dont asking too much time "what is happening"
Taking 5 minutes per turn

[mighty wharf]

Oh... I completely forgot about that. Those are deal breakers?

[empty thicket]

not taking more than 3 smooking breaks
Not being under any drug or alcohol

[empty thicket]

for me they kinda are, settle yours in your limits

[mighty wharf]

You know, I have made a LONG list of dealbreakers/red flags for my OG table... I think I'm going to go with my new one. The biggest problem is my DM doesn't communicate with me.

He also doesn't understand the rules as well.

[twilit sail]

you could tie up your dm to a chair, put a blindfold over their head and yell at them until they talk

[onyx sluice]

My baseline is just knowing your class and what your character can do

[empty thicket]

Yep, if you are a new player is okey if sometimes one dont realize what can do

[twilit sail]

i think it would be good to know what the character acts like too

[empty thicket]

and ask for some advice

[twilit sail]

so its not super disruptive

[empty thicket]

this too, at least a heads up of what a character would be

Oh and importantly, make your characters stick to that "mask".
The goody guy shouldnt be okey with torturing someone for info
The badass wont tolerate someone being condescending with him
Etc. etc.

[thin igloo]

hi

[errant crag]

Hello potato man

[woven flint]

My Gloomstalker has the Cloak of the Bat now :>

[errant crag]

Upon further reflection/looking into things

I think Barbarian Sorcerer is the worst multiclass combination

Far worse than Barbarian Monk or Barbarian Wizard

[mighty wharf]

My familiar is going to be a lammergeier

Beautiful birb

[empty thicket]

the only caster class that i can kinda think off like a "optimal" option is warlock with barbarian

the thing is casting some of the stuff before fighting

[errant crag]

I'm not going for optimal

I'm doing the barbarian multiclassing challenge

So I need to make Barbarian Sorcerer work

I need to make every barbarian combo work

[empty thicket]

okey, so you need to finda a way for Barb + Sorc work....

[errant crag]

Today was Barbarian Bard but it fell together very easily so I'm moving on to Sorcerer

[empty thicket]

how you would need to make it work? like fighting wise?

[errant crag]

The rules for this barbarian multiclass challenge are as follows:

1. I can only put levels in Barbarian and one other class at a time, no dips in a third class to enhance the other two.

2. I must stay strictly RAW, no homebrew or third party content, and no asking the DM to rule anything differently.

3. I must use the 2024 options, but can use the 2014 options that haven't been reprinted yet.

4. I must put at least 3 levels in both classes.

I've done a number of the classes at this point

Now we're on sorcerer

[empty thicket]

how many lvls? 20?

[errant crag]

The minimum amount to get "the build" online

Most have been level 8-10

[hollow bluff]

Hello

[empty thicket]

okey, then i recommend seeing enough levels to get draconic sorc.
It give you HP and there is another option for not wearing armor

Which scale charisma and dext

[cloud bison]

does 5e have a spell for know alignment?

[empty thicket]

there was one that could do necrotic or radiant damage but i dont remember which

[errant crag]

This challenge/thought experiment has been so much fun and has made very interesting character builds

And is bringing me closer to my favorite class

[empty thicket]

how you work the casting spells and all that? do it before any rage?

[errant crag]

Yes I try to prioritize spells that don't have concentration and can last into my rage, or spells that are utility/support outside of rage.

If need be I can use Circle Casting to divide my concentration amongst other casters and thus rage with my spell effect going

But thats not preferable as then they cannot concentrate on something they may want/need to

[woven flint]

My Ranger two-shot a bearded devil 🧐

[fickle heart]

I'd be inclined to mix Barbarian with Clockwork over anything else because Clockwork mostly gets spells useful outside of combat

[empty thicket]

so mage armor, false lifes, etc. like that are useful

[empty thicket]

A double wild magic would be funny ngl

[errant crag]

Thats what it's looking like I'll be taking

One of the biggest issues with Barbarian Sorcerer is I just get very little from Sorcerer outside of non concentration spells with a duration

[sullen mantle]

I have a question

How many character sheets would one typically need

[viral kraken]

like physically? or like at a time?

[errant crag]

One for each character

[sullen mantle]

In general

[sullen mantle]

Aight so I would need 3

[errant crag]

It's nice to have a backup ready though if you die

[sullen mantle]

I ordered my dice

[viral kraken]

well you only usually use one at a time if that is helpful

[sullen mantle]

I’m bouta create a half elf just because I can

[errant crag]

Half Elves are fun

[sullen mantle]

And imma recreate my neverwinter character

He’s an elf wizard level 14

[empty thicket]

yep but its kinda expected at this point.
Barbarian is already not matching with casters so

[sullen mantle]

Half breeds are always interesting

[empty thicket]

with one he must not match completely.
but the 2 wild magics would fit in their lore//gimmick so

[sullen mantle]

Cuz they basically have both of one race

[woven flint]

You uh.. might not wanna word it like that 😭

[sullen mantle]

I’m mixed race person myself so I’m used to it

😭✌️

[errant crag]

Yes but that's kinda the point of the challenge, and some Barbarian Caster combos can do fairly well

I find that Barbarian Cleric has some real potential

[sullen mantle]

I’d say halflings but that’s a race itself in dnd

[empty thicket]

had Barb Warl or not yet?

[errant crag]

Not yet

Saving the ones that I know can make decent combos until later on in the challenge

[empty thicket]

burning out with the hard ones first?

[errant crag]

Yeah

[empty thicket]

Epic

But yeah, draconic give you that extra HP and optional AC

Sadly there is no subclass of barbarian that give you a chance of using spells while raging

[errant crag]

Barbarian Wizard is better than expected but not amazing
Barbarian Cleric has some serious potential with War Cleric BA attack charges and channel divinities
Barbarian Bard can benefit a lot from Bardic Inspiration and can use it themselves to good effect on certain subclasses
Barbarian Paladin is obnoxious because you can't smite but they have a fair amount of other things going on that they can benefit from, namely Divine Favor when paired with Beast Barbarian for 4 attacks on your action, not to mention channel divinities

[empty thicket]

So now is sorc, i guess next is druid and yara yara yara

[errant crag]

Barbarian Druid will probably be fine as well

I can Rage while wildshaped and a number of Druid subclass features are magic actions (not spells) and thus can be used while raging

Such as 2024 Land's Aid

[empty thicket]

okey this sound dope

imagine raging while being some big bear and trambling above the enemies

[viral kraken]

do you rage then wildshape or wildshape then rage? or is it just whatever strikes you in the moment?

[errant crag]

I don't think it affects anything but I'd probably Rage first so I have the damage resistance for the whole time that I have the THP

[viral kraken]

ah ya that makes sense

[errant crag]

Would probably go Aasimar Wild Heart Barbarian mixed with druid so I have resistance to all damage except for Force and Psychci

But I don't think I'd keep the Aasimar damage resistance in WS

This has been such a fun thought experiment

Been resisting the urge to take Tortle on all these characters so I can just dump Dex and still have decent AC

[viral kraken]

i made a tortle pally once that was fun

[woven flint]

We just got to Avernus and my Ranger has a 4 Devil kill count, this guy is a menace

Well, technically 6 because he killed 2 more with a trap

Scratch that 8
There were 4 spiked devils he's killed with a trap

Bugbear Rangers are awesome

[hot marlin]

My wizard on the other hand has had a heart attack out of sheer joy at the number of books in Candlekeep

And got distracted by a book about the reproduction cycle of the Phaerimm.

[errant crag]

Are there any underwater/aquatic celestials

[woven flint]

And he dragged my Bugbear pff to read with him

Which despite how he talks to Arlen, he actually enjoyed lol

Bogey enjoys the company of Elves

[errant crag]

Or underwater creatures that could be seen as like holy creatures that a society of Sea Elves could feel to be sacred

[normal canyon]

I know it exists in homebrew.

Raw idk

[errant crag]

I'm asking about official creatures

I don't use homebrew if I can help it so please don't ping me with answers like that in the future

Not trying to be rude just trying to save both of us the time

[fossil hollow]

closest i can think off are Animal Lords

[umbral girder]

All I could find after a quick search are Giant Eagles and Ki-rin

Also yeah Animal Lords too

[onyx wraith]

Hello!! ^^

[normal canyon]

buffed water elementals

[serene echo]

Hello dungeon master's and players

I am back from my humble slumber

Is there anyone here

[errant crag]

Roughly 300,000 someones here

[woven flint]

someone something somewhere somehow

[errant crag]

Me and my DM decided on giant sacred sea snakes

[serene echo]

Hey guys

How to join games from find a game. Do I have to dm the DM or do I just say can I join

Hello?

Aw geez I'm too impatient

Uhhh

I'll chat again. Don't know where. Don't know wheeeennnn but I hope ill chat again some rainy dayyyyyy

[oak grotto]

You're just meant to DM the potential DM. Or leave a message under their post. In my experience sending a DM is more effective.

You can also just post on #looking-for-dm.

[clear drum]

I don't quite know where to put this, but I think its an ingenius idea. If WotC would ever want to get into a Diablo-styled game, I had a wonderful thought earlier. There used to be a campaign setting called Birthright set in the world of Cerillia. Unfortunately WotC has chosen not to use it (for pretty much any edition after 2nd) and honestly playing a character from one of their D&D classes who is a blooded character (which would be additional powers that you could level up as trees) who gains power by defeating Blooded (aka Boss) enemies while working on a storyline that may lead to the character becoming the Emperor or working for the Emperor.

[sinful crater]

hey everyone
what class do you all think is weak but is secretly broken if played right

[past blaze]

honestly

Rogue. Getting up to double DPR via reaction attacks from certain party buildcrafting could go crazy.

[sinful crater]

yeha maybe people underestimate Rogue until the party starts feeding them reaction attacks and suddenly the damage numbers become illegal so what is the nastiest Rogue combo build you have seen someone pull off?

[cosmic sedge]

#homebrew

[paper portal]

Rangers

Most people call rangers super underpowered but they just don't use them right tbh

Although 5.5 did hit them pretty hard

[limber trail]

I played a rogueish NPC who had sneak attack paired with two allies who could prompt creatures to make attacks off their turn.

In their first round of combat they used sneak attack three times and dealt about 300 points of damage. It was awesome.

[austere reef]

What did your DM do after that

[flint ledge]

I am about 99% sure he was the DM in that scenario

[austere reef]

ah k

what did thy players do after that grievous circumstance

[sinful crater]

uhm i think rangers always feel weak until someone actually knows how to position track and abuse their utility half the class power is just the player has a functioning brain

[lofty bobcat]

my players are solving a puzzle where there are a certain number of creautes in a painting, and that number correlates to a letter

[austere reef]

I’m never fully sure on NPCs because my DM lets people play NPCs

[lofty bobcat]

I have specified that the number of creatures in a painting mater

they decide that I must want them to rip the paintings from the wall

😭

[austere reef]

I mean that could be applied to alotta, nevermind.

[sinful crater]

How

[austere reef]

Well what is their reaction to fully usable doors with no downsides and you get how much you pavlov’d them

[austere reef]

Nuclear monk

[lofty bobcat]

yeah they spent 2 hours in a study because I said that the door on the far wall was closed

[sinful crater]

Oh maybe

[sinful crater]

Whats is your favourite class?

[lofty bobcat]

they proceded to rip every book off the bookshelves, empty every drawer in the desks, and try to move the bookshelves around

[austere reef]

I mean the ability to create light would be able to twist into Infrared blasting someone until they boil

[austere reef]

My favorite class is rizzards, Harry.

[austere reef]

I mean you probably did teach them to suspect anything but the obvious.

[wind dawn]

Ello!

[austere reef]

hello

[lofty bobcat]

kinda lol

[austere reef]

why do all DMs use the word proceeded? Is there a DM code of speech?

[foggy nebula]

Do you fear proceeded?

[sinful crater]

Oh great what do you like most about it?

[hot reef]

“proceed” is simply an elegant and powerful word. It raises the stature of the user.

[austere reef]

fireball

[mint monolith]

My lvl 17 party has been broke since day 0 and now we got a contracy for about 3000 GP TOTAL (party of six members), which is still pretty bad
Thing is, my character is a wizard and I got True Polymorphy. Would I be a bad sport if I just started like, turning chickens into gems, thus allowing us to just forget about this contract?

We leveled to 17 like, 30 minutes after accepting the contract btw

[sinful crater]

If I was the DM I had allow it once just to see how fast the party accidentally creates a nationwide gem market crash

[mint monolith]

I was thinking about using it mostly for spells that require components for me & the druid actually

dunno how a kilo of gems would crash the world market too

[sinful crater]

That honestly sounds pretty fair for a campaign
How long have you been dnd

[odd valley]

probably not directly, though an increase in material needed to revive people would likely lead to more adventuring being done

[mint monolith]

Around 3 years, but most of them on this specific campaign
The other players complain about we always being low on gold and explained to me that a previous player actually crashed the balance when he started a healing potion empire

probably traumatized the dm

[odd valley]

it would also crash the value of the reviving spells too

[sinful crater]

Oh how many players are playing in your campaign

[mint monolith]

6 + 1 DMPC in this one
Dunno how many on that previous one

[sinful crater]

Oh nice which classes

[tame bloom]

I got a new d&d set today

[sinful crater]

congratulation which ones

[tame bloom]

The Welcome to the hellfire club set

[mint monolith]

I'm playing an evocation wizard
There's a player playing a Battle Master warrior copper dragonborn with 3 levels of bear totem barbarian, another one playing a goliath with 3 levels also of bear totem + 14 levels of rune knight, a glamour genasi bard, an artificer with the subclass that has cannons and our healer is a tiefling that mixed circle of fire druid and some kind of sorcerer that I can't recall
The DMPC is a paladin and I dunno the pact because she is barely there

[sinful crater]

Have you played it yet or just started going through it

how it is

[tame bloom]

I just opened it and had a look at everything, I’m not good enough to know how to play it with just me

I’d need a good dm for that

[sinful crater]

Interesting can you show me

[mint monolith]

Show what, exactly?

[sinful crater]

characters

wizard

[mint monolith]

I can't, sorry
Not able to send images at all

[tame kelp]

What is Heroic Inspiration?

[errant crag]

Hey chat what are we talking about

[errant crag]

It's an optional rule/reward that DMs give out to their players, they can usually spend it to get advantage on a roll or reroll a roll

[tame kelp]

Oh 😎

nice

[errant crag]

DMs usually give it for good roleplay, being funny or fun to have at the table, or whatever else the DM sees fit

I usually give it to players when I've accidentally ruled something incorrectly in a way that harms or hinders the player

Or when I accidentally skip them in initiative

I really need to get on top of that

[limber trail]

The 2024 rules also have more specific rules around it, like class features and feats as such which grant it

(Although I do still hand it out myself too)

[sinful crater]

Alright now problem

[turbid vessel]

My table does "inspiration on a natural 1" and we've really been enjoying that

Gives us a "when you hit rock bottom" feel with the narrative

[errant crag]

When my players roll a nat 1 I throw live spiders on the table

You can buy live wolf spiders online

[paper portal]

I should do that next session ngl

[errant crag]

It really makes them not want to roll 1s

If you can believe it

[flint ledge]

Yeah I think that would discourage me too if live wolf spiders appeared on the table

[errant crag]

It's really hard to get them into the box so they really oughtta appreciate the effort I'm putting into the game

[cunning flint]

How many do you throw out?

[turbid vessel]

If they were jumping spiders I'd cherish the company of lil friends

[errant crag]

Well sometimes they stick to the inside of the box as spiders are ones to do

[cunning flint]

I would be so jumpscared if our DM threw spiders when we threw ones but good for us DMs a little afraid of them

[flint ledge]

Now, it might just be me buuut I think they might appreciate less effort

[turbid vessel]

Personally when my players roll a 1 I eat their die

[errant crag]

I guess it's true when people say that sometimes less is more

[flint ledge]

That can't be good for you

What if they roll with a metal die actually...

[errant crag]

I have a d20 with thorns specifically for this reason

[flint ledge]

I feel like there's better solutions to this

[turbid vessel]

Then I don't need to take my iron supplements

[errant crag]

Most metal dice aren't iron buckaroo

Me rn: ☝️🤓

[flint ledge]

Time to start bringing lead dice

[turbid vessel]

Not with that attitude

[gusty charm]

I like liquid core dice, tastes like fruit gushers

[errant crag]

I collect pink dice

And I'm very frustrated that my LGS hasn't restocked any since I bought all of them

[gusty charm]

How many sets do you have??

[errant crag]

Pink sets?

5

Aka not nearly enough

But I have dozens of non pink sets that I've acquired in the pursuit of pink dice

Through the LGS's mystery dice bags

[flint ledge]

Pink is tanking the pink dice economy

[errant crag]

I got a set of pink metal dice with rainbow trim from the metal dice mystery bag and it came with a barbarian pin that I wear on my hat every day

Legendary pull

Favorite color and favorite class from the same bag

Haven't bought one since

[flint ledge]

I think pink is actually a pink dragon and all they do is hoard pink dice

[errant crag]

Microplastic Breath

There we go

[gusty charm]

That sounds so cool

I don’t do mystery dice, I don’t like surprises

[stoic shale]

Ive literally never played this

[flint ledge]

You mean you've never played dnd?

[stoic shale]

Mhm

[stoic shale]

Wait i should reply

[flint ledge]

Ah thank you, if you would like to learn to play #dnd-newcomers is a nice place to start.

[stoic shale]

Ok

[cloud bison]

are there any items with an intelligence in 5e?

[viral kraken]

like sentient items?

if so, yes

[cloud bison]

yeah, swords specifically...

[viral kraken]

ya pretty sure there are some premade sentient swords, but there are also rules for making sentient items for dms

[cloud bison]

any idea where these might be?

im also assuming your talking 2024, not 3030?

[flint ledge]

The dawnbringer is a very rare sentient sword

[stoic shale]

What do you do in this?

[viral kraken]

magic items are in the DMG for the most part, as well as the rules on sentient items

looks like sentient item rules are around page 226

[viral kraken]

in dnd? could check out #learn-to-play if you are new to dnd as well as #dnd-newcomers

[stoic shale]

Okay

[pseudo mortar]

Haha 😂

[austere reef]

I’ve missed three entire chapters and a date because my DM only hosts when I’m gone.

Not outta spite he just doesn’t care yo

[errant sonnet]

Session 0 for my DND game in a few days ❤️

[flint ledge]

That's unusual, usually times are predetermined by the whole group (depending on the type of game of course)

[gusty charm]

Good luck!

[errant sonnet]

I'm so excited to get done with session 0 so I can start prepping

Though really I want to get through session one so that we can get to Barovia proper

I'm probably going to be rewriting the towns in Curse Of Strahd a bit

I'm going to write a ton of reoccuring NPCs to enhance the game

[dim schooner]

why is the ranger class joked about?

[fair summit]

Original 5e PHB class and one of the subclasses (beastmaster) was kind of subpar

It had good decent features for traveling, but many DMs kinda skip any travel and survival mechanics, so that kinda went against the benefits of the class, resulting in the jokes

It has since gotten lot better with Tasha's though

[dim schooner]

is that all?

[hot gate]

In more recent times, people have gripes about how the prominent ranger spell, hunter's mark, uses concentration when a lot of other spells do too.

But you can see from the citicism that it's already pretty esotheric

The class is fine

[fair summit]

The class is great (my favourite even!), so unless you're using the base PHB, you don't need to worry!

[dim schooner]

like 5e?

[hot gate]

The whole game is generally still referred to as 5e, so that term isn't very meaningful in this context.

Saragonvoid likely meant the 2014 PHB

[dim schooner]

oh ok

[fair summit]

2024 has been changed to and generally referred to as 5.5e recently

And I do have the edition I use in my name, so its always fair to assume it is what I'm referring to 😛

[hot gate]

I think it's fair to assume that not everyone is up to date with the nomenclature around what 5e not presents itself as. Unfortunately it's neither obvious nor consistent, so I try to be clear about which is what.

[fathom gate]

I cast power word crunch

[paper portal]

People just use it badly and then complain it's bad

Highkey just a skill issue tbh

[fair summit]

Yeah the one main gripe I have with 5.5e is Wizards of the Coast's way of making it in probably in the most confusing manner, making a new edition / update which changes enough things to make backwards compatibility difficult, yet insisting its still 5e, then actually changing it to 5.5 afterall

But also I don't wanna just keep having to include "I am referring specifically to 2014 / 5e, not 5.5e / 2024 edition with this message" into each of my messages, and asking someone which edition they are talking about is just gonna result in my message history being "which edition?", where someone probably just answers with both editions before I get a reply, making the whole question pointless 🤷

[hot gate]

And the "changing to 5.5e" only applies to D&DBeyond. If you're not using that platform, you'd have no idea what you're talking about.

Because nowhere in the books is that a thing

[fair summit]

Having it in my name is a decent middleground, and someone can just fill in on / supplement my answer with the 5.5e side of things which I don't have the knowledge about

[hot gate]

That's fair. I generally don't fuss too much about the whole "is it called 2024 or 5.5e", but I do fuss when it's just "5e". Without qualifier, it could still refer to the whole shebang of an edition, including all versions.

Including all the "5e compatible" material

All that is to say that your name does qualify with the 2014, so I like it

[olive storm]

Guys... My GM banned Tortles for his Curse of Strahd game.

[glass granite]

No master Oogway, it seems

[delicate owl]

No 17 AC with no real consequence 🙁

[paper portal]

rip

[hot gate]

Curse of Strahd is one of those campaigns where it does seem fitting to have mostly humans or human-passing people in the party.

not least because the locals are ... uh ... a bit unfriendly to anyone who doesn't look like them

[olive storm]

I wanted to play a Tortle Wizard! Literally a PBS character!

So now I'm playing a Reborn Wizard.

[hot gate]

pbs?

[olive storm]

It's a TV channel in the US. It had lots of talking animal cartoons like Franklin and Arthur.

And I'm pretty sure there was a nerdy turtle at one point.

[hot gate]

oh alright

[swift copper]

Btw in this server,is there any way to show off homebrew stuff for the criticism? Like closest i foudn was the #dnd-arts-and-crafts

[glass granite]

#homebrew

[olive storm]

#homebrew

[swift copper]

Ohh thank you

[hot gate]

Nugget sliding in here with speed and precision

[swift copper]

I don't know how I didn't find it lol

[hot gate]

You might not have had it enabled in id:browse , there's a lot!

[fair summit]

Yeah somehow a cartoon turtle does feel a bit out of place for a horror campaign like Strahd, so I can see where the DM is coming from (:

[last tundra]

will my DM hate me if im gonna take chronomancy wizard?

[hot gate]

I mean, I'd first ask them if chronomancy is a valid option to pick. Because the answer basically tells you what you need to know about the DMs opinion

[candid solar]

The base answer should be no, but you gotta figure out how this dm runs things

[olive storm]

But what if he was a Louissana pipe-smoking tortle?

With a southern draw?

[fair summit]

Same answer
Curse of Strahd is darker and more serious campaign, and most DMs would want to keep the party to at least some level of serious to not break the mood

While what you're describing could be made in that way, but honestly a pitch of a louisiana pike smoking turtle inspired by a cartoon doesn't really sound like that

[olive storm]

Let me have fun!

Jokes aside, I did make a pretty decent character for the campaign.

It is a Reborn Wizard who was part of a ritual to enslave several high-level mages with necromancy and mind control. He has a phobia of being objectified and denied free will / robbed of autonomy.

[olive storm]

It's a really strong subclass but there isn't anything objectively wrong with taking it.

However the book it comes from does explicitly outline it as needing GM consent to play.

[glacial lagoon]

Just to make sure,i just asked chatgpt about my chara
Its a level 7 paladin and a level 3 fighter, chatgpt said i could get 2 fighting style both from paladin and fighter
True/False?

[lyric viper]

I would advise against relying on chatgpt, but correct.

[glacial lagoon]

Thank you kind ma'am

[lyric viper]

Nae a sir 😉 remember you can check folk's profiles to see their pronouns

[last tundra]

isnt it like the strongest subclass in the game? so strong that it ruins other ppls expiriences 🥀

i still dont understand WHY its so strong

[foggy nebula]

You force the Dm to reroll if you dislike the result

[last tundra]

2 times only, no?

[foggy nebula]

Combine it with halfling and lucky feat and are we really a chance game anymore

[glass granite]

Arcane Abeyance is the main thing I think, over the reroll

[last tundra]

yea that seems powerful

btw i got a question abt that, if someone like a fighter with no spellslots or spellcasting abilities use that mote that has some concetration spell on it, can he maintain it?

or a familiar

[glass granite]

Convergent future also is very strong, though legendary resistances can screw it over.
As for that, yes.

[olive storm]

I once had ChatGPT make me a Warhammer list for a bit and the list it made was so objectively terrible that it wasn't even legal.

It had no battleline, too many characters to be playable, no win condition, no way to score secondaries, etc.

[last tundra]

btw isnt like telekinesis spell best for dealing with legendary resistances?

[olive storm]

Yes, he can. He uses his constitution save but your spell attack mod and dc.

[last tundra]

okay thats insane

[last tundra]

what about my familiar?

[olive storm]

It never says that the familiar can't afaik.

[glass granite]

It’s not bad

[olive storm]

But the beads only last one hour and can only be used a limited number of times.

[last tundra]

there are better?

[last tundra]

isnt it one use?

[olive storm]

I love how Graviturgy is so weak compared to Chronurgy. It isn't bad but considering that they're noth dunamancy..

[glass granite]

Wait 2014 or 2024?
2014 yes ish cuz it can dodge LR.
2024 yes, it’s very good.

[foggy nebula]

I like graviturgy

[olive storm]

Lemme check.

Yeah it's short or long rest.

[last tundra]

both are insane, graviturgy is cooler, chronurgy is stronger

in my opinion

[olive storm]

Holy crap Arcane Abeyance.

Just free incapacitation.

Yeah I haven't read this subclass in a minute.

[last tundra]

throwing mote at people aint that cool as flinging them into the air or making urself become a black hole

[olive storm]

Holy crap this is strong.

[glass granite]

It can also cast long casting time spells in one action

[olive storm]

I mean a lot of people would argue time wizard is cooler becahse time memes.

[last tundra]

even rituals?

[glass granite]

Like Leomunds Tiny Hut

[last tundra]

idk i personally like that gravity theme a lot, controlling space itself seems more cooler for me, while controlling time is definetly much better

[last tundra]

so i can make a house in middle of battlefield and chill in it?

[glass granite]

Mhm

[last tundra]

yea chronurgy is insane

should have guessed when i got +9 to my initiative as a wizard on 3rd level 🥀

[humble cairn]

I don't know that this kind of comparison is useful.

[olive storm]

I mean from a Wildemount lore perspective, some people specialize in black holes and others specialize in rewriting all of time and existence until reality converges onto the single outcome the wizard wants. Like... How are these even the same school?

[humble cairn]

Nudging possibilities to determine the outcome of a roll isn't rewriting all of time and existence exactly.

But either way, it's all fantasy. It's as cool as you want it to be. If you like time manipulation better, that's perfectly valid.

[olive storm]

"You can peer through possible futures and magically pull one of them into events around you, ensuring a particular outcome. When you or a creature you can see within 60 feet of you makes an attack roll, an ability check, or a saving throw, you can use your reaction to ignore the die roll and decide whether the number rolled is the minimum needed to succeed or one less than that number (your choice)."

You are pretty explicitly pulling an alternate reality into the current one.

[undone rain]

Back to the future type shit

[olive storm]

Yeah.

[humble cairn]

To determine the outcome of one roll yes, that's a limited scope reality manipulation, similar to the Divination Wizard Portent.

[olive storm]

That's fair.

My job is so chill.

[humble cairn]

"I can determine how this die falls" Magical and cool, but hardly Infinity Gauntlet snap worthy.

[undone rain]

I always felt like the ceremony spell was weird. Idk

[humble cairn]

I like that something like that exists but I'm not sure I like that specific implementation. But then it hardly matters. The list of spells that PCs have access to is hardly the limit of the magic that exists in the worlds of D&D.

[olive storm]

There was a power called Cause & Effect in Demon: The Descent where if you succeed a dice roll, you can use that success to cause one event of your choice to happen (assuming it is possible at all) to occur without fail.

One example is John Daemon is bad at pickpocketing but really good at debates. So he starts a policital debate. He rolls Persuasion and succeeds. Now the guy he needs the ID of gets so immersed in the debate that he doesn't realize he drops his wallet.

This can be used from anything to jamming enemy guns, to causing a target to slip information, you name it.

[undone rain]

True true just always felt sorta weird

[humble cairn]

As cool as that game is, World of Darkness games aren't really on topic here, unless you mean to use it as an example of something you'd use in D&D?

[olive storm]

I was more talking about it in the context of "ensuring a specific outcome will definitely occur."

I can't help but picture stuff like that and Chronurgy's capstone as Dr. Strange looking through all the timelines where they beat Thanos.

Sorry if I got offtopic.

[reef tundra]

It is pretty weird. But damn once the stars aligned and my pally used it to hell and back

Made holy water, stopped an important NPC from being resurrected by a necromancer, and got two people married

[undone rain]

Lol as they say you never know when you might need a specific spell

[reef tundra]

True

I haven’t used the spell since I kinda miss it 😭

[undone rain]

Welcome to the paladins spells, we can make people get married

I like to imagine the paladins the pastor and wearing their best looking suit of armor

[humble cairn]

I've presided over a marriage or three.

[toxic wigeon]

Didn't realise it was the dnd server that was open and was very impressed

[stiff rock]

oh my goodness I love ceremony so much!! my warlock got to propose with it because of pact of the tome a couple weeks ago

[twilit ibex]

Question: Say your DM has allowed someone to Homebrew, and that individual made a character that (at level 5) has three At Will 1st level Smite spells, At Will Misty Step, can activate up to 6th Level Curse spells, has a passive ability akin to a Barbarian's Rage, has special Dice to roll for extra damage, has +19 to Hit and Damage, is immune to being put to sleep, and has poison resistance: What do you say to that DM?

[undone rain]

Thats actually kinda wholesome. Who did they get engaged to

[hot gate]

"good luck, you're gonna need it"

But joking aside, I'd try to explain why that's too powerful out of game and then I'd hope that the DM listens to my feedback.

Stuff like that though, you can only learn with experience and/or willingness to learn, so I suspect that DM will need to run into a wall first before they learn.

[flint ledge]

Well, I would advise that DM to consult with the player on how that's not balanced perhaps. I would assume they didn't say go wild do what you want

[buoyant oar]

Depends.

Is that just for one player? Or the whole group?

Are they new to GMing or have they been doing it for a while?

[undone rain]

I just realized how hilarious ceremony is now. Atonement has 20 dc wisdom check and on sucess you turn someone back to their original alignement. Imagine someone just ruins your entire character arc with a level 1 spell lol

[atomic kayak]

Not how that works

Its for magically induced alignment changes

[twilit ibex]

The guy has 20 STR, 14 DEX, 16 CON, 20 INT, 12 WIS, and 10 CHA. And he is the ONLY person with a character this broken.

[undone rain]

Whats that mean

[buoyant oar]

That means if you were born a lawful good little boy. And you became an evil tyrant King, Over the course of your life and turned into chaotic evil. The spell is not going to fix that.

[atomic kayak]

Magical things that force your alignment to change. Like curses.

[undone rain]

Ohhhhhhhhh

[buoyant oar]

And it has to be willing

[undone rain]

Thought so, that wouldve been broken af otherwise

[atomic kayak]

Not particularly

[buoyant oar]

So even if it did work that way and they were trying to change an evil person to good. That person would have to be willing and good chance they won't be.

[severe rampart]

No, they still need to be willing

If an evil person wanted to be good again, you don't need a spell for that

[atomic kayak]

But thats also going into the whole alignment discussion of things, which is... well. Unproductive at best

[severe rampart]

But I just took my bingo card out :(

[atomic kayak]

No free space for you today!

[buoyant oar]

Unproductive?! Did you know Pathfinder fixes this.

[severe rampart]

Thank you Kas, that's one more down!

[flint ledge]

Kas stop giving Echo free bingos

[atomic kayak]

Im pretty sure the point of bingo is to get just one row or column. You don't need to fill out the entire card every time

[flint ledge]

Well with this server you're bound to fill the card out completely within 24 hours

[undone rain]

Anyway the more i talk of ceremony the more i realize it isnt that bad

[atomic kayak]

Ceremony is funny to me. Mostly because it absorbed the non spell ritual that let you make holy water (from the 2014 phb)

[lucid reef]

Good morning im just watching this conversation unfold

[buoyant oar]

I am a fervent practitioner of reading the spells out loud.

90% of misunderstanding in spells are solved instantly.

[undone rain]

"Atone for thy sins!" And they just make a whole bucket of holy water

[severe rampart]

I don't get insulted by this message because I can't read! /j

[frank sluice]

I'd use ceremony but my DM is literally Hank Hill and would make it awkward

[severe rampart]

Your DM is what

Hank Hill from king of the hill?

[buoyant oar]

Hank Hill can't you re- oh wait. Mb

[frank sluice]

Yes he's of course the real cartoon character

True and real

[buoyant oar]

Rest in peace John redcorn

[primal estuary]

morning guys

[undone rain]

You can technically just make water for the party as well

Its like the create water spell but its holy

[frank sluice]

And concerning the circumstances in my campaign now ceremony wouldn't make narrative sense

Being a max level raid on a black greatwyrms stronghold

[severe rampart]

Timezones are fun, seeing good morning while it's 8:00 PM for me

[undone rain]

Mmm i miss dnd but our teams all busy

[frank sluice]

Ideally I'd like to play more but I only trust people I know. I don't trust lfg

[severe rampart]

That's the safe option

[frank sluice]

I usually end up rolling into a ghost town or the GM ghosts

If that was the case why the lfg advert lol

[undone rain]

Same, one group was just weird and the other just cancelled after 1 sesh

[frank sluice]

I think the last one I joined had some drama where the GM decided to join a game despite having his game scheduled on that day.

And he malded and blamed everyone

I was like nope. I'm gone.

[severe rampart]

Yeesh

[undone rain]

How rude of em

[severe rampart]

Even if some of my campaigns are on hiatus I always make sure never to overlap schedules

[frank sluice]

Maybe I'm being hard on that GM but I at least think first impressions are important. I ended up going years before I met close friends to play with

And it wasn't even in a DnD server it was MHW

[mighty quartz]

ive been playing with the same group of buddies from highschool but i really should start playing with other people, love the guys but it can really get a bit exhausting watching these dudes play what are essentially the same characters for the past like 6 years now </3

and they also always flake when its time to play >:|

[frank sluice]

Flaking omg saaaame

Well that used to be the case. It turned into ghosting and it's just me two other guys and our DM

Campaign has been on for what since 2022? Been so long I can't recall

[mighty quartz]

damn, thats sick. wish we still did longer campaigns, the more recent ones have been experimenting with heavily homebrewed campaigns lately so more often than not they'll just end because stuff was either not working as well as our DM hoped or we all just lost interest in the idea :(

[severe rampart]

What level are you now?

[mighty quartz]

we did have one campaign that lasted for around 3 years i think? was pretty fun, unfortunately i distinctly remember playing a life cleric in that campaign and never wanting to play one ever again LOL

[frank sluice]

Max. Basically tier 4 plus at this point

[severe rampart]

Thought so 😭

[frank sluice]

It's been a bumpy road. One time we had a half year hiatus. And our DM has two kids. I have been keeping the zombie horse on life support. And over time things got better

[undone rain]

I freaking love hellish rebuke. I wish any paladin could have it

[frank sluice]

I wasn't forceful about it but I wanted to at least try and make sure we finish

[severe rampart]

Why hellish rebuke specifically?

[undone rain]

I love fire spells first but 2nd its always nice to have a reaction attack

Having someone attack you and you can just incenirate em back is always fun

[frank sluice]

Speaking of fire spells I have a seething dislike of delayed blast fireball. Not because it's cheeks which it ngl kinda is, but because every time I ask about time stop combos someone brings it up

And half the time I'm like please don't recommend DBF

[undone rain]

Pyromancy yaaaaay

[paper portal]

thats why echo knights are peak

[mystic crystal]

I hate when something epic happens at the D&D table at the end of the session and you have to stew in it for 7 days before you can play again

[severe rampart]

Thanks

[frank sluice]

I know exactly how you feel

I have to wait three weeks sometimes

[paper portal]

how RAW do you like your echo knights

[mystic crystal]

That’s a rip, we just meet my warlock patron who turned out to be a dethroned forgotten elder god (great old one patron) and now we gotta sit with that

[frank sluice]

In my case we're in a prison which goes miles down which is the lair of what I can best describe as a black greatyrm diety

[mystic crystal]

And the clerics god she worships is the one that dethroned and betrayed my patron

[frank sluice]

Hopefully no PvP

[mystic crystal]

I’d mop the floor! lol we don’t really do real PVP we might accidentally hit another person with a spell or a stray arrow or something but it’s usually rp’d pretty well.

I don’t foresee PvP though the two pcs are pretty close and fond of one another

[frank sluice]

I haven't had narrative conflict like that between players in game oh wait I have

One guy who used to be in the campaign played a rogue and basically disliked narrative exposition until he improved his attitude as a player

He legit during a side session he wasn't even invited to basically pulled a DeeDee and pressed a big red button running though and security system and setting it off because my story content was too boring

I get why he did it at the time because

I was the focus

And he felt maybe left out

[mystic crystal]

If it helps, the one I’m playing is a gunslinger that multicalssed in warlock because the patron showed an image of the cleric getting killed over and over again. So he’s literally a warlock because he didn’t want to watch the cleric getting killed.

[frank sluice]

I too am also a warlock

But the situation is well

Kinda funny

See my DM was absolute ass at balancing a long time ago so I basically won the lottery off of patron favors until the gravy train stopped

I am Wizard 19/Warlock 1

And as of the last couple years stuff has been balanced but we are level 20 so kinda not

[mystic crystal]

This is my first time playing a warlock, the original idea is the guy was a failed bard. And he sold his soul for 20 years of fame and talent and got insanely rich and took care of his family and stuff and as soon as the 20years was up he lost the spot light and now has to travel and do whatever the patron wants.

Super sick idea just haven’t been able to play that out

[frank sluice]

How much are you into the campaign

Or rather how long has it been going on for

[mystic crystal]

We’re level 11 and we’ve been playing for a year.

[frank sluice]

Hopefully your DM addresses your narrative wants

I'm very much spoiled in that regard

[mystic crystal]

Oh that character idea is what o wanted to play.

Now I’m a gunslinger/warlock multiclass

[frank sluice]

I'm a wizard necro. The warlock subclass is mostly unimportant (The Undead). It was a trash rp decision and I made at the time but brought about some really cool narrative stuff

Oh and I'll never get over people calling necro garbage. It's very DM dependant sure but it's solid

[mystic crystal]

Current character is a ex-law keeper who failed to protect his town from a group of bandits and there was a massive massacre and he left the law side and became a bounty hunter and developed a gambling addiction (for the high roller subclass).

After traveling with the party for a while he started to fall for the cleric and would get more and more mad her when she put her self into dangerous positions.

The party got jumped by an overwhelming force and while he was down the warlock patron flooded his mind with images of his sister the rouge and the cleric dying over and over again and he took the pact out of desperation

[frank sluice]

My guy is uh...how to explain it he's a drow with the accent of Cad Bane and at the time I made him I was binging Peaky Blinders. He's a former crime lord who educated himself in magic. A little Senator Armstrong a little bit of Mayuri Kurotsuchi.

[rough basalt]

What a combination.

[frank sluice]

He means more toward Tommy Shelby than anything

It's hilariously edgy I know

[mystic crystal]

Character creation is my favorite part of D&D

[prisma prairie]

Def a fun part of dnd

[paper portal]

Real same

[frank sluice]

And on the opposite end of edgy I have

The Stump

He is a ghostwise halfling champion fighter who uses crossbows.

He's basically Frank Reynolds from always Sunny legit just him

He's short and bald but thinks he has game and is a genius

[rough basalt]

I got so much tabletop work to do and it's not even funny.

[frank sluice]

Wdym work

like DM prep

[fiery nimbus]

I have a merry village full of my characters that never get to adventure

at this point if this discord all banded their characters together we could have an imaginary country

[mystic crystal]

I used to have a personal discord with every character, inspo, art and all their info but it somehow got deleted

[fiery nimbus]

I just hope i get to play my latest character, im the most excited for t

[crimson gulch]

thats why i dont do any game prep on any online service, its all in my notebooks

[wicked mulch]

D&D Question of the Day (D&D Beyond: Playing the Game):

Grappled primarily does what?
A) Forces you to drop items.
B) Sets your speed to 0 and limits movement until you escape; escaping uses a save/check against a set DC.
C) Silences you.

[solar crow]

Today's the last D&D club meeting at my college before we get out for summer 😭

[paper cedar]

C)

I am absolutely certain that I did the right choice :D.

[silent pike]

I'm playing as a lv 10 monk and fall down a 80ft pit without harm

Lmao

And all the d6s are either 4-6

I'm in love with monk now, they're so broken

[thin venture]

Shoutout to my dm @stone stump

[wicked mulch]

https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/dnd/br-2024/rules-glossary#GrappledCondition

[flint ledge]

B

[wicked mulch]

Grappled [Condition]

While you have the Grappled condition, you experience the following effects.

Speed 0. Your Speed is 0 and can’t increase.

Attacks Affected. You have Disadvantage on attack rolls against any target other than the grappler.

Movable. The grappler can drag or carry you when it moves, but every foot of movement costs it 1 extra foot unless you are Tiny or two or more sizes smaller than it.

[minor cargo]

I was going to go with joke answer D) finally gives you catharsis because you've been so touch starved all of these years.

[rough basalt]

B

[rough basalt]

Yeah

I gotta get maps, quests written, homebrew done.

[frigid plank]

Anyone solorpg?

[frank sluice]

When is game day

[rough basalt]

Closest Homebrew is due Monday Night

As well as some maps potentially

[severe rampart]

B.

[rough basalt]

Then major stuff is due the 20th and 24th.

Tho I'm half tempted to just push everything a week.

And just enjoy my birthday and rest.

Almost full tempted actually

[errant crag]

D was not an option

[rough basalt]

😄 is a mouth open smile emoticon

Oh it changed it to the emote in discord.

[minor cargo]

Haha, it's a setting in Discord. Under "Appearance" and "Chat Box", it's a toggle.

[stiff rock]

One of my tiefling companions, it was very endearing

[umbral girder]

D) now you are holding hands /jk

[undone rain]

Awwww

[regal dragon]

I was supposed to play D&D with my friends after school ended but I just can't get them to

[undone rain]

I should play a tiefling sometime their pretty cool

[frank sluice]

Our party Sorlock is a tiefling. He likes Metal Gear Rising a bit too much but it's part of the charm

[undone rain]

I still got one in mind that was turned into a tiefling at a young age

[frank sluice]

Turned into...huh. Unique background

[undone rain]

Well from my knowledge tieflings could have human parents, same how aasimar can have it and its possible someone was turned into one by an archdevil such as zariel

[normal junco]

could have been reincarnated as one

[frank sluice]

Omg it's isekai

[normal junco]

i meant like the spell. its less expensive when compared to resurrection.

Kobold Press does have an ISEKAI'd supplement.

[undone rain]

Well i was thinkin they were deathly sick when they were young and so their parents were very desperate to cure em and when they ran into an archdevil they cut em a deal. Cure their kid for the exchange of the parents joining the devils army and the kid becomes a tiefling

[frank sluice]

Wot. No way. Time to pitch an isekai power fantasy to my table (jk)

They've had enough power because we're level 20 rn

[frank sluice]

Oh okay makes sense now

[normal junco]

Kobold Press also has a Soulslike Roleplaying supplement, though its leaning more towards the soul collection aspect instead of git gud.

[undone rain]

Yeah lol, hard to understand what i mean sometimes lol

[frank sluice]

Git gud wouldn't translate well to tabletop probably

Since you get one life typically

Sounds interesting tho

[normal junco]

structured guidance and framework that's actually had some kind of testing by a company is usually a good thing compared to just winging it with homebrew.

[frank sluice]

It is better some of the time. Can't day it's the case for some of the new official supplementary material but I often see good third party stuff.

[normal junco]

it also depends on what works well with the table and the specific adventure

[empty thicket]

Imagine the BBEG Wizard wish for an instant reincarnate and be at the same level but now becoming a fighter.
Welcome to the second phase.

[frank sluice]

Well I hope he multiclassed in this isekai

Magic always wins

Kinda. Sorta

[undone rain]

"I wish to win"

[normal junco]

DM: "Congrats! You have officially won Dungeons & Dragons. You can retire your character immediately knowing that you won. Who's turn is it next?"

[undone rain]

I felt like the nature domain was a bit weird to add in, not that im saying its a bad domain i think its fine. But seeing as druids are also a religious class (or atleast can be) i simply think it was odd

[woven flint]

A fighter would be significantly easier to kill

[frank sluice]

Wall of force the fighter with your simulacrum using some sort of DoT. The microwave classic

[undone rain]

Hmm can action surge technically make you dash twice

[woven flint]

Its one of the actions you can take with action surge, so, yes

[undone rain]

Technically not smth id usually do but it works if its a chase scene

Hold on whats the fastest class and race

[mystic crystal]

When I win the lottery I’m gonna retire all my D&D table so we can play when ever we want

[mystic crystal]

Monk race I’m not sure

[frank sluice]

Tabaxi and monk

Is the go-to

[dim schooner]

when i have mastery property of both longbow and shortbow, is it worth switching to longbow rather than shortbow? for the damage and not being able to use vex

[undone rain]

How many feet can they go if the monks level 20

[frank sluice]

I don't know off the top of my head

[undone rain]

Alr ill search up brb

[mystic crystal]

Ever seen that episode of SpongeBob. “Wanna see me do it again”

[frank sluice]

I looked it up wow that's fast

[severe rampart]

6960 feet.

[frank sluice]

Imagine haste

[undone rain]

HOLY CRAAAAP

[severe rampart]

that's considering magic items, etc.

[undone rain]

1 round of combat is 6 seconds, 6960 feet is insane

[empty thicket]

The reality "Nuh uh"

[dim schooner]

when i have mastery property of both longbow and shortbow, is it worth switching to longbow rather than shortbow? for the damage and not being able to use vex

[empty thicket]

the idea is the players burned out most or almost all of their resources

[woven flint]

Yeah..
But it's still a fighter.

[empty thicket]

Yeah, and?

[severe rampart]

Small Tabaxi, 30 base speed +5 squat nimbleness, +5 mark of passage, +10 longstrider, +10 Speedy, +30 Boon of Speed +25 Monk Speed, +10 Bracers of Celerity, +20 elixir of swiftness.
then you double it with psi warrior, double it with tabax ability, double it with haste, and then double it again with boots of speed.

[empty thicket]

Dont understimate fighters please 🥀

[severe rampart]

That's 1160 ft per second

but even at low levels, it's like 200 ft of speed it's enough

Tabaxi Monk is insane

[woven flint]

Do I really have to explain why a wizard wishing to becone a pure martial is weaker than just ... staying a wizard and wishing for their spellslots back?

[undone rain]

Literally faster then the flash

[severe rampart]

Oh wait, actually, I think the actual speed is 9280ft, or 1546ft per second.

[empty thicket]

No, do i have to explain why a wizard after getting all his team destroyed in a desperate move turn into a strong fighter with powerful weapons to face down and obliterate the enemies.
Going too for the part that he was always weak and used his knowledge and want for one time leave that behind and be able to enjoy a close combat fight.

[severe rampart]

Because it's Movement, Action Dash, Haste Action Dash, and then Bonus Action Dash

[severe rampart]

Not really no

[woven flint]

... wish for your teammates back?

[mystic crystal]

How does the monks muscles not explode at that speed

[umbral girder]

138 mph.

[empty thicket]

Bro...

[severe rampart]

It's only Mach 1 speed