dnd-discussion

[fossil hollow]

im fairly sure that was a rare issue for sauropods in the mezeoic

[timber turtle]

But surely they would get hit if they were taller then all the trees in it's surroundings

[fossil hollow]

they were roughly the same size. no point in evolving your neck to be taller than your food

thats why they dont graze for grass

[timber turtle]

Crazy to think how big trees were

Bring back big trees please

[fossil hollow]

see the red cedarwood

i think thats what theyre called

oh its just redwood

wait, no thats the place in calufornia

[timber turtle]

Yes

[fossil hollow]

the tallest existing species is giant sequoia

[timber turtle]

It's the place they built for the planet of the Apes movie

They had to build the trees for it

Ape together strong or sum

[empty thicket]

Yep, giant trees would make great giant plant enemies

There is few or none if im not wrong

[timber turtle]

Why would a tree be evil let the thing drink water a d spread roots

[empty thicket]

a mad wizard used magic on it and turned it evil
A forest spirit want revenge against humans because they murdered a lot of his specie or smt like that and use that giant tree for attack the kingdom
There is tons of reasons

And i would love it because would settle a dillema
Can try to go for the wizard or spirit to slay it and maybe turn off teh giant tree and preserve it
OR
Kill the giant tree and protect the kingdom but slaying such elder and beautiful entity

Both options are correct
Both options take consequences
Both options mean you did good but you must do bad too

Let people die or kill the giant elder tree

[molten glade]

Third option, talk down the forest spirit

[empty thicket]

Too angry, want to spill the blood that was taken from its people.
Put a balance between their wrong and their good.
But there is a third option yes

[timber turtle]

You can do Sauron but with trees, a spirit that just travels from tree roots to other trees so it has a network of really hard to destroy bodies it can keep as it's evil forest bases

[empty thicket]

Make the king of that kingdom give himself

The king gave the orders, take the blame and sacrifice himself because he grew up a guilt and a sense of justice that he must embrace

[empty thicket]

again, lots of reasons.

[fossil hollow]

Guthlias trees are a thing, and although theyre usually hard to corrupt, a vengeful treant or dryad might take up arms against other sapient beings without much love or care

[timber turtle]

A campaign where nature wood elves and druids are the enemy because their holy tree is the villain would be fun
It would be really unique to fight vs bright and beautiful things and not to typical enemies

[empty thicket]

yeah, changing the enemy type of Undeads, fiends, abominations and constructs is always welcome

[errant crag]

My players dealt with a Gulthias tree a few sessions ago it was pretty sick

They grow from a stake that was used to kill a vampire

Making like a vampiric tree of sorts

[storm magnet]

How big are Ankhegs

Like a van?

[lavish flame]

Nah, smaller than a van. In my mind, they're like horse sized

[knotty vine]

Driving in my car

[storm magnet]

Could an ankheg nest cause destabilization for a village/kingdom?

Like sink holes and tremors

[empty thicket]

that is a deer? (druid shapeshifted for fun)

[lavish flame]

definitely, they make long holes in the ground

thats sinkhole central

[errant crag]

Especially if there's more than one

[empty thicket]

just checked what it is an ankheg.... i almost fought against those one time....

[vale sage]

Hi

[empty thicket]

3 of those...

[fossil hollow]

Fun CR 3s

Or are they CR 2? Either way, big fan of those myrmekes

[undone bloom]

your use of the word "myrmekes" inexplicably fills me with a vast admiration for you

[empty thicket]

they are hard to kill? like a party lvl 6 could against them?

4 members

[fossil hollow]

PJO did a number on my brain

[undone bloom]

you're Hoover dam right

[fossil hollow]

Theyre a pain if you are unable to deal with their burrowing. The longer the fight, the more likely you are going to get acid put or whittled down

[woven flint]

Angrily staring at Ti-Moth

:[

[fossil hollow]

Still sick mate

[void pivot]

Hi guys

[void pivot]

Peak reference

[lavish flame]

Getting grabbed then dragged underground is pretty tough

[round ridge]

ankheg's are just cool

[fickle sequoia]

I'm trynna dm my first campaign any reccomendations

[fossil hollow]

and since their tunnels are only so wide, the acid spittle is going to hit more consistently on anyone who pursues

[lavish flame]

I've instilled a fear of Lines in my players due to their acid spit. They always make sure not to be able to be in a line.

The only issue with that is that there is no way for 2 people to be out of a line of each other. 2 points always have a line running between them

[blissful ibex]

Read the information in 'Playing the Game', 'The Basics', and 'DM's Toolbox'

Don't have to memorize it; just know where to quickly find things
also, don't handwave exploration q_q

[fickle sequoia]

Alr always allow players to explore and make stuff up if it's not in the plan?

[blissful ibex]

don't just say (you travel for 2 days)
break out a hex map or roll for encounters or something XD

[fickle sequoia]

Okay

[peak pecan]

Not exactly; but try to hear them out if they have ideas to solve puzzles and whatnot

[fickle sequoia]

Noted

[blissful ibex]

"The bridge is out and the river is half flooded, you'll need to figure out a way across or move further up/down stream which will cause a delay"

just like; give them problems they need to acutally look into their inventory, skills, and spells to try and find a creative way out of

[fickle sequoia]

Alright

[dense nacelle]

Every wizard should put a level into cleric methinks

[blissful ibex]

hell, actually roll weather XD

[fickle sequoia]

Make challenges, but not too hard just random puzzles

[fickle sequoia]

Heh lol

[blissful ibex]

not quite random; but something one or two of your party is tooled to overcome to spotlight them a bit

[fickle sequoia]

Ahhh

[blissful ibex]

but also scenarios they might not be as tooled for that they need to think their way out of c:

[blissful ibex]

OTherwise; here's the (lesser used but incredibly useful DM tools) I usually recomend looking at

Marks of Presteige

Consider running Marks of Presteige; They're like extra rewards from more connected/powerful quest givers for doing fairly impactful things
think like:

• titles, property/land, medals and accolades
• introductions to important people or organisations
• training with specialised trainers that can help you learn new skills, tools, or languages much faster than standard, or even grant extra feats or boons in a more flavorful manner
• favors they can call in from powerful NPCs
• access to normally restricted areas or other special privileges
  etc.

Downtime

Also consider running Downtime/Downtime Activities (rules in Xanathar's Guide or possibly in the DMG)
It allows space for plenty of roleplay opportunities and advancemnt options outside the normal (more gold and treasure) model in intersting ways.

• Crafting
• Training (consider providing the standard, on level ASI/feats via this for extra flavor rather than just handing them out when tplayers hit level 4, 8...)
• Research
• Finding a temporary job to make connections or earn a little money

Exploration

Often underutilised, the various exploration rules in 5e can add some farily interesting flavor to a campaign and gives the poor Druids and Rangers something to do q_q
You don't have to run all of these, but a few choice ones can really spice things up a bit; mainly:

• please make it a habit to roll weather when possible; it gives interesting mechanical effects and could effect the disposition of NPCs
• actually interrupt long/short rests some times; make the world feel dangerous in dangerous areas.
• make random encounter tables (include not just combat, but obstetrical and non-hostile NPCs) when traveling over long distances
• don't bring the party to the immediate area of whatever objective, and have them need to look around a bit to find it
• add chase sequences and tracking encounters
• hide things along the path for the party to potentially find
• add obstacles like rivers that have overflowed their banks, weather, hazards, etc
• use the Extreme heat/cold rules
• make slightly longer, more survival oriented treks where the party needs to move through less developed areas and have to find/conserve food/resources
• actually keep track of rations/water/feed and have the Cleric, Druid, Ranger, or Paladin burn slots on goodberry and create/destroy water if that's the plan
• encourage the use of vehicles and pack animals in general to allow for carting around equipment or treasure

Even just a few things like this in the right spots really helps highlight your more nature oriented classes and also gives the whole party something interesting to tackle rather than a cut to black.

[soft hare]

If a vampire puts on make up can they see their faces in the mirror?

[fickle sequoia]

Alright

[blissful ibex]

IIRC they can't see their clothes, so likely no

[feral fulcrum]

For what purpose?

[warm shore]

Lowkey I’m more surprised that training with specialized trainers isn’t already a part of DnD

[blissful ibex]

It is
as part of the Marks of Presteige system
that DMs always forget exists XD

[warm shore]

The survival management stuff seems a bit heavy though

[blissful ibex]

eeh, don't have to do all of them
just pick the ones you like

like even 2 of them is better than most DMs bother with, and it helps the Druids and Rangers

[limber trail]

(To be fair they come from the DMG which is typically a toolbox of optional tools, not necessarily a requirement / system that’s gonna appear in every game)

[warm shore]

I’ve never actually seen someone play a ranger

[storm magnet]

What environmental clues would you use to show that a party is about to come upon a goblin cave?

Or sounds

[viral kraken]

trampled grass/underbrush from where they enter and exit the cave daily

[blissful ibex]

Maybe territory markers or something

[peak pecan]

Footsteps or tracks; perhaps crude markings or carvings in Goblin? If they keep wolves, then wolves with rope collars on patrol

[storm magnet]

Would they put heads on sticks?

Or is that moreso the hyena dudes

[blissful ibex]

skulls on sticks maybe
leaving the meat on is a waste

[eager marsh]

thats more a gnoll thing

[idle oar]

Probably depends on the group and what they want to communicate via heads on sticks

[blissful ibex]

yes, but its there and it's on your DM to actually remember it's a thing they can do

[blissful ibex]

I've seen plenty; really fun class in 5.5e

[eager marsh]

I thought Horizon walker was really fun at first for a one shot but quickly realized its namesake features just...dont work well mechanically

[blissful ibex]

big fan of Swarmpeeker for flavor and mechanics <3

also the upcomming Hollow Warden looks really nice

Gloomstalker is a staple and Fae Wanderer is nice as a mroe social option

[broken imp]

ranger is like the most op class combat wise for 5e, idk about 5.5e tho

[blissful ibex]

they also have a ton of utility outside of combat

[broken imp]

ranger 5 + rogue 3 is very good, + fighter 3 better but not the most important part

[broken imp]

ik fr

barb on the other hand, sucks
/j

[feral fulcrum]

It really isn't even close to overpowered.

[blissful ibex]

Rogue/Barb is actually kind of interesting
You make strength attacks using a Rapier

[feral fulcrum]

It's honestly kind of annoying to see people calling something that is at most "Quite Good" Overpowered.

[broken imp]

fine, with multi classing it is, + rogue 3 it'll be op combat wise

[blissful ibex]

also getting double expertise and double extra skills

[dense nacelle]

More spell access, more cantrips, medium armor proficiency, and huge bonus to arcana and religion checks

[broken imp]

first, on hit, hand crossbow 1d6, +(around) 13 to hit, minus 5 from sharpshooter feat but + 10 to damage, and gloomstalker, and if counting rogue, sneak atk damage 2d6, if u land a surprise that's a crit

[blissful ibex]

if you start rogue and MC int oranger thats +3 skill profs
and at level 3, 3 rare languages c:

[broken imp]

damage would be 2 x (1d6 + 10 + 2d6) + (1d6 + 10 + 2d6 + 1d8) + (1d6 + 10 + 2d6) ion the first turn

[blissful ibex]

issue is it's MAD and you're only getting as much of a bonus to rolls as you invest into Wis

[feral fulcrum]

I am like 90% sure that you would only have access to level 1 cleric spells.

[broken imp]

• (1d6 + 10 + 2d6) if u also take fighter

[broken imp]

yea exactly

[dense nacelle]

The upcasted cure wounds on the table:

[blissful ibex]

yes; but it gives you more spell scroll access at least ; even if you have to roll arcana for them

[feral fulcrum]

looks at health potions

[dense nacelle]

If you’re in a campaign where Health potions are aplenty sure

[fossil hollow]

theyre 50 gp for the lowest tier one

[dense nacelle]

If you use PHB yeah

[fossil hollow]

.... who wouldnt use PHB

that seem slike a wild shifting of goalposts there

[dense nacelle]

The amount of campaigns I’ve been in where healing potions are more restricted than normal

[fossil hollow]

skill issue

[feral fulcrum]

Those stuck using the free rules.

[broken imp]

lol

[dense nacelle]

“Skill issue” and it’s dms wanting healing to be less available

[blissful ibex]

it's free rules as well; Potions of Healing are listed in the basic Adventuring Gear table
https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/dnd/br-2024/equipment#AdventuringGearTable

[fossil hollow]

if healing is making games, harder... i dunno what to tell ya

[dense nacelle]

Besides, 1 BA for 2d4 +2 hp versus 1 A for a shit ton of d8’s of healing

[empty thicket]

I like people who make heals easy to get because it mean enemies wont be easy and will be more harsh

[feral fulcrum]

If a DM is struggling with healing...there's a simple solution. Add more danger to thine combat encounters.

[empty thicket]

and longer fights too

[feral fulcrum]

And more traps

[dense nacelle]

And what exactly is a wizard giving up for one level, signature spells? 2 3rd level spells you can cast once per long rest?

[blissful ibex]

I prefer casting Aura of Vitality after the fight vs healing in combat wheenver possible
but I play druid so

[feral fulcrum]

In Combat healing in general is jsut a waste of an action, outside of massive sudden dumps of HP like Heal or high level Lay On Hands

[broken imp]

take smt else

[blissful ibex]

if enemies are dead faster, you end up needing to heal less
thus it's almost always better to do damage than heal unless the heal brings a downed party memebr up so they can do damage on their turn

[broken imp]

tbh long rests are better unless u can't

[broken imp]

exactly exactly

[blissful ibex]

short rests too
gimme my Pact Slots

[dense nacelle]

Prof with medium armor and shields allowing a wizard to have a 19 ac without magic items or feats, and then also shield?

Tank wizard can be real

[feral fulcrum]

Warlock "Can I take a power nap, I moved five feet and breathed once."

[empty thicket]

can be, but it help to maintain the allies to get bloodied or under some conditions for the enemies

[blissful ibex]

Catnap and Prayer of Healing are spells that exist c:

[empty thicket]

Nothing stop the DM to make an enemy do you some special instant kill attack if you are under 10% or less of hp

[fossil hollow]

Love me some 10 minute short rests

[dense nacelle]

A cure wounds is fantastic way to alleviate pressure on the party, if the tank is down pumping then full of HP to get them back up and to close to max hp is honestly a great use of an action

[blissful ibex]

Issue is, we tend to get through most combats without me really even needing to cast anything above EB in a lot of cases

[empty thicket]

Yeah, prayer of healing is that kind of spell that i would love in my party

[fossil hollow]

at that point, why even bother with living

[empty thicket]

AN SPECIAL ENEMY.

[feral fulcrum]

Power Word Kill You In Particular.

[fossil hollow]

A DM can always homebrew insane monsters. Those should be exceptions, not applicable to teh norm

Mentioning them is a bit of a dead point

or whatever the term is called. Bilingual moment

[blissful ibex]

Like we made it through the entire first level of Vanrakdoom and I was down maybe 1 4th level druid slot XD

[dense nacelle]

A dm can just make a terriamabehocna and insta kill the entire party if they feel like it

[blissful ibex]

that's what Death Ward is for c:

[empty thicket]

Bash chest
CMon lad, You think you are the only one who can use magic?
Death Ward wear off

[blissful ibex]

better as a tool between combats to burn a few lower level spell slots so you can get another combat in before resting

[empty thicket]

Lets Dance.

[fossil hollow]

ok Jetstream

[dense nacelle]

What… game do you think this is?

[feral fulcrum]

The fun kind

[empty thicket]

Na, my character think some fightings are like dancing. He was a gladiator so it fit him

[feral fulcrum]

Takes a sip from their trusty Vault 13 canteen

[empty thicket]

last time i checked this game was Dungeond and Dragons
Unless the DD is for DARKEST DUNGEON, so....

I hope Dungeons & Dragons.

I pray for Dungeons & Dragons....

[dense nacelle]

Eh, in situations bringing people up is important, and the MC also allows for some of the better cantrips in the game, like guidance, spare the dying, sacred flame, etc.

[feral fulcrum]

I dont' think Sacred flame is actually very good at all?

[blissful ibex]

you can literally just as easily get a bunch of that with Magic Initiate: Cleric or Druid though
without needing to MC

[dense nacelle]

Taking feats for this is worse use of resources than Mc’ing into cleric

[empty thicket]

Or only having some supportish caster can give you heals
A warlock celestial have really potent heals in general

[blissful ibex]

it's a save and does radiant damage
also Spellfire Spark lets you burn hit dice to boost it and also cast it as a BA PB times a day

[empty thicket]

and the feature that let him do a heal too is another thing, helpful

[dense nacelle]

Would you rather take 3 feats to emulate this effect
Or
Mc into cleric

[blissful ibex]

you get 1~2 Origin Feats for free though

[feral fulcrum]

A Save or Suck Cantrip targeting one of the frequently biggest atributes on a monster is not great.

It either does okay damage...or does nothing at all. And Dex is usually pretty high, so it'll be missing a bunch

[empty thicket]

Human can give me one of those feats
Chef is another feat that can kinda help me with some sustain

[blissful ibex]

it's good against something with high AC and low saves
and radiant isn't generally resisted

[empty thicket]

If not aasimar give you lay on hands for free once per LR

[eager marsh]

aasimar in 2024 has a better version. proficiency bonus uses of a potion basically

[blissful ibex]

Musician can in that it'll potentially help someone actually make their save XD

[eager marsh]

oh wait no...its proficiency dice in a single use still...rip. multiverse version was more flexible

[empty thicket]

Yep, there is many options

[dense nacelle]

Either way, proficiency with medium armor and shields as a full caster and it not effecting the rate when you get spell slots

[empty thicket]

and which classes have heal options?
Paladin, cleric, druid(?), artificer, bard

Warlock subclass get heals

[blissful ibex]

Paladin, Cleric, Druid, Celstial Warlock, Spellfire Sorcerer, Bard, Battlesmith Artificer, Ranger

[dense nacelle]

Most wizards are gonna take war caster anyway, so wielding a shield won’t effect them too much

[empty thicket]

Banneret get a save heal better said

[empty thicket]

wait, some context?

[empty thicket]

Paladin//cleric is rare to not have one in a party
Warlock, sorc and arti in that Specific ways are a bit more rare
Druid is druid

oh true, ranger have heals too

[blissful ibex]

I get plenty of parties without a Pally/Cleric but that's mostly because I'm generally on druid XD

lets people pick other things without feeling they need to play one of those clases as we already have a character with access to healing spells

[empty thicket]

i wanted to play a warlock that would think is a cleric (celestial patron), sadly that campaign got cancelled

but now that i have more free time im going to see if i can get in one more

[warm shore]

I can’t imagine playing any other class than a paladin for some reason

Maybe a chronourgy wizard

[blissful ibex]

My druidlock thinks she's 100% a druid and all her warlock abilities are nature flavored XD

her issue is she really doesn't get going until atleast level 8
decent before then, just not at a level of performance I'd like her to be at

[empty thicket]

Figter: Jaja, funny i can use any weapon//armor and throw 300 attacks per day
Wizard: Jaja, parry this you casual Throw fireball or lighting bolt
Barb: Jaja, im too angry for dying
Warlock: jaja, i can do almost everything and i have a sugar daddy

[blissful ibex]

it's all fun and games until the "Druid" whips out a Staff of Power and starts peppering Fireballs down range XD

she natively gets lightning bolt as well (Fathomless Warlock)

[empty thicket]

its all fun and games until my fighter get in range and land 2 critics with giant strike. Congrats you manage to put him in death doors? Na, He Wins.
2 nat20 in death doors

[blissful ibex]

oh, if we're talking PVP

She's mounted, moving 100ft per turn, slowing you by half and reducing your speed by 10 each turn, and likely has you in some hellish mix of Plant Growth and Hunger of Hadar, pushing you back towards the center if you start getting close to leaving

[warm shore]

I feel like I just like the idea of paladins so much that playing any other class do t have the same kick

[blissful ibex]

her kit is horrifying XD

though strats like that are seldom used as they get old fast

[empty thicket]

that is okey, im enjoying the basicness of fighter, i will someday play other things because if i dont try them i wont know if they are good

Played a glimpse of wizard, warlock, ranger but never in deep like i would loved

oh and cleric

[warm shore]

I feel like the thing that puts me off from playing casters is how squishy and weak they are before they start hard scaling

Which is cool and all but most campaigns don’t go that high

[empty thicket]

depends, they still have access to mage armor.
Warlock get some nice stuff that made him survive more
Etc. etc.
Depend too which level you start the campaign, lvl 1 they are crsytal bones and paper skin

lvl 3 you can spend one spell slot in a mage armor or smt like that

and cantrips are good too

[blissful ibex]

Cleric is easily as tanky as a fighter, just less a few max HP

[empty thicket]

Warlock hexblade is a nice hybrid

[blissful ibex]

hexblade is the least interesting warlock though >.>

[fossil hollow]

True, Fathomless peak

[blissful ibex]

nvm; undying is the least interesting warlock

hexblade can be second least

[fossil hollow]

I prefer undying's flavor over hexblade

[keen kestrel]

GOO is peak ngl

[woven flint]

Believe it or not
Casters are tanky as well

[blissful ibex]

Fathomless > GOOlock > Archfae > Celestial

[woven flint]

Druids and Clerics, at least

[warm shore]

I also really love full plate armor

[fossil hollow]

wait, where my genie at

[blissful ibex]

and Bards, and Dragon Sorc, and Warlock with the mage armor invocation, and Bladesinger Wizard, etc.

[keen kestrel]

I just enjoy unknown eldritch horror

[warm shore]

Do paladins technically count as spellblades?

[empty thicket]

yep but still an hybrid.
I want to play either fey or celestial

[woven flint]

Casters get their tankiness from the toolsets they use to protect themselves or the ability to heal themselves

[empty thicket]

I either decide which part of the arena is going to be flat or i decide when my allies Die.

[woven flint]

I wouldn't put Bards up there tbh.

[blissful ibex]

Fathomless is Unkowable Eldrich Horror, the ocean depths edition

[blissful ibex]

Valor and Dance are both reasonably tanky

[paper portal]

Hi chat what are we chatting right meow

[fossil hollow]

casters anr martials

[blissful ibex]

Paladins are a Gish class, yes

[woven flint]

Not Bard as a whole though.
Just like those subclasses you mentioned aren't their classes as a whole

[empty thicket]

hybrids, but mostly martial with some spells

[woven flint]

Which is why I mentioned specifically Druid and Cleric being rather tanky

[blissful ibex]

my druid isn't q_q

at least not until she can source a Medium (rare) Barrier Tattoo

[woven flint]

Yours is a multiclass and probably doesnt have the best stat distribution tbf

[blissful ibex]

10 dex doesn't do her many favors tbh

[woven flint]

Not throwing shade at her ofc lol

[blissful ibex]

still 14 ac at level 1 between a shield and Studded leather

Perfectly competent ammount for a backliner

[warm shore]

I’m a little confused, why do people say that hexadin totally outclasses paladin everything when they can’t use heavy weapons? Isn’t it kinda hurting their damage?

[blissful ibex]

Why can't they use heavy Weapons?

[woven flint]

Shrug

[blissful ibex]

in both 5e and 5.5e they can bind any magic weapon

5.5e also lets them summon any melee weapon, adding bows and crossbows with Improved Pact Weapon

[paper portal]

Hexadin also doesn't completely outclass paladin anyone who says that is wrong tbh

[fossil hollow]

Eldritch Blast, in certain optimization circles, is a better baseline than any weapon can. Also, theyre suckers for range.

[bronze wave]

they can?

[blissful ibex]

5.5e gets Thirsting/Devouring blade
3 attacks at level 12 vs paladin's 2

[bronze wave]

anyways you should use sorcadin the best paladin multiclass

[fossil hollow]

(Powerful magic items may change this, but generally, they hate melee. Which is why those takes should be taken with a grain of salt)

[feral fulcrum]

Nothing in Hexblade restricts Paladin from using heavy weapons

[paper portal]

That means taking warlock all the way to 12 though at which point you might as well not be a pallie (and also hexblade is far from the best subclass)

[warm shore]

I’ve been curious about doing one, how does it compare to regular paladin?

[bronze wave]

its better

more spell slots, more features, metamagic, better and more types of spells

[blissful ibex]

Generally it's

• 6~7 Palandin (depending on if your subclass has a good aura)
• ~2 levels of warlock
• and the rest Sorcerer (or bard if you want to be spicy)

[bronze wave]

and paladin is front loaded

[woven flint]

Full classing is typically better imho

[paper portal]

The best split for a pallie is lock 2/pallie 6/lock X with sorc 1/pallie 6/sorc X in second

[bronze wave]

after 6-7 you can go crazy with sorc

[feral fulcrum]

Coughs in Paladin fantasy generally focusing on the Martial aspects

[woven flint]

Just don't be a coward, deal with having weaknesses

[bronze wave]

tho i do like pali lvl11 feature

[fossil hollow]

i would not call 6-7 frontloaded

[warm shore]

Isn’t that kinda just plying a worse wizard then

[bronze wave]

you can have a sorcadin do that

[fossil hollow]

Dammit i said the unfunny number

[paper portal]

You take pallie for aop

[blissful ibex]

any bladelock can do the three attacks setup though c:
not just hex
and pally is still nice for the aura and smite access

[bronze wave]

everything is a worse wizard

[woven flint]

67!!!! (I'm tired boss.)

[feral fulcrum]

"I only spent half the game to get here, so front loaded."

[fossil hollow]

front loaded is 1-3 IMO

anything after that is just an investment

[bronze wave]

I would, its less then half the features, if its a low lvl game sure thats diff but in considering the whole thing its roughly 1/3 which is pretty front ended

[warm shore]

How does sorcadin function without extra attack and the improved divine smite stuff tho

[fossil hollow]

You dont smite. You cast spells

[blissful ibex]

(Druid 1 / Warlock 2) at 3 is rather nice

[warm shore]

Well damn

[paper portal]

Yeah smites aren't as good as some people think they are

[bronze wave]

you would get lvl5 in pali and i like improved smite but its like... an extra d8 dmg lol

[paper portal]

Also warlock smites are better than pallie smites cus they can be used ranged and prone enemies

[warm shore]

So a sorcadin is basically like a tanker version of a sorcer

[fossil hollow]

i do agree a first level spell for like, 9-13 extra points on a single target is bad

[bronze wave]

its more like a pali with better options and versatility

a sorcadin shouldnt be a ranged fighter lol

[blissful ibex]

ye, aura gives you really nice saves; you have armor proficiencies, and can martial in a pinch

[bronze wave]

you miss half if not all the pali benifets

[fossil hollow]

i usually dont smite unless its a fiend, undead, powerful boss, or i crit.

Or if i wanna send a message

[bronze wave]

i always smite for the aura

[blissful ibex]

you cap out at 7th level Sorcerer Spells but it's a decent tradeoff

[fossil hollow]

Shining Smite though? Makes me drool

[woven flint]

I thought merely thinking made you drool /silly

[fossil hollow]

and when i think, i always think of shining smite. Which is why i drool when i think

[warm shore]

I feel like smite is awesome because you can decide when to use it

[fossil hollow]

i mean. Almost every feature is something you decide when you use it.

[bronze wave]

i dont need a brain to smite buddy

[fossil hollow]

Aside from Wild Magic Surge in 2014

[woven flint]

^^^

[warm shore]

I mean you roll first and smite a crit

[fossil hollow]

ok?

[empty thicket]

better or one of the best range options, invocations are good, powerfull spells and finally.
Funny interactions with patron

[woven flint]

If you multiclass..
You're another sheep in the flock!!!! /half-joking

[warm shore]

I lowkey want to do a hexadin built and dump a ton into charisma with war caster to make a haste

[blissful ibex]

*Cast's polymorph (Sheep) on Tokii :p

[woven flint]

Sorry, I've got immutable form.

[fossil hollow]

Divine Intervention: Sheep

[limber trail]

You’re very mutable

[blissful ibex]

Damn, guess we'll just have to nuke you and then bring you back with Reincarnation; except through a magical mishap, you're now a sheep c:

[bronze wave]

Id be a sheep

[blissful ibex]

My Plasmoid Druid is extra mutable

[woven flint]

Sorry, I'm a deity, you just can't do anything to me :]

[empty thicket]

can go paladin vengance and you get HM so... sort close

[blissful ibex]

if you have a stat block, you can be killed c:

[woven flint]

C'mon, I'm a Trickery domain deity. We all know this.

[woven flint]

I don't.
I'm a metaphysical being

[empty thicket]

Wild magic: Magic Horse (unicorn)

[umbral girder]

Tonight’s party was amusing

[bronze wave]

I smite you

[woven flint]

No you don't

[umbral girder]

One shot we had a Pugilist, a Barbarian, and two Champion Fighters built around guns.

[bronze wave]

Nah I do 🥸

[umbral girder]

They nearly died.

[woven flint]

Nope :3

[woven flint]

No wonder..

[bronze wave]

I never missed a smite, like ever

[woven flint]

I literally can't be smited

[ocean comet]

Made a bladesinger level 3 build for fun and ngl bladesinger seems kinda insane

But it also fulfils such a great niche

[limber trail]

I mean yeah that’s how smite works

[bronze wave]

shows what you know

[craggy summit]

Only if you call it out AFTER you hit

[bronze wave]

I made the first ever smite acutally back in 0e

[woven flint]

Shows how little you know 🧐

[bronze wave]

whats your fav paladin subclass

[craggy summit]

Vengeance for now but I wanna try dexadin with genie

[blissful ibex]

Dang; guess we'll just have to snuff out your religion until you're nothing but a Vestage c:

[woven flint]

I dont have a religion
People interacting with me gives me strength

[blissful ibex]

THEN we can polymorph you into a sheep

[blissful ibex]

Not how gods work in DnD :p

[woven flint]

Also, it's Vestige 🤓

[woven flint]

I'm not a D&D god :p

[fossil hollow]

oh god Vestige warlock

[blissful ibex]

you are in here :3

[woven flint]

No I'm not :3

I'd rather not interact with the deities in this realm
They're.. mediocre 🧐

[umbral girder]

Yeah the party variety was not great.

[blissful ibex]

Karsus is cannonically a Vestige; you can have him as your patron

[limber trail]

(Which is how smite works)

[fossil hollow]

screw that incel

[limber trail]

(It’s a bonus action you take when you hit with an attack roll on your turn)

[bronze wave]

my smites just happen

[blissful ibex]

see, you bind him to yourself and then bully him relentlessly as you siphon off the last remannts of his power >:3c

[woven flint]

Also incorrect BTW
Overdeities dont have or need worshippers and typically aren't even known 🧐
(Just being that guy, love ya, slimy friend)

[limber trail]

If you’re a sufficiently high level then yes they do

[fossil hollow]

i would not touch his mana in a 300 foot radius

[rough basalt]

Imagine being a patron of a dude who nuked his own civilization cause he didn't wanna be outdone by the Phaerimm. /j

[blissful ibex]

That's what Godsbane is for c:

[woven flint]

Good luck taking it from Mask :3

Just kidding, Godsbane IS mask.
Its an Avatar of his.

[blissful ibex]

Just promise to murdererize Cyric with it, not that hard

[woven flint]

Its the form he took in the Time of Troubles in the Year of Shadows

[woven flint]

Good luck killing an overdeity :3

Okay, we can keep this bit going or start a genuine conversation

I think it's crazy that Mask took the form of a Sword to become Cyrics best friend just to listen to his deepest secrets, thats masterclass trolling

[fossil hollow]

Cyric, aka FR's biggest manbaby of a god?

[rough basalt]

Yep

[woven flint]

And Mask as in the Lord of Thieves

[hollow notch]

do you guys like horizon walker as a subclass

[fossil hollow]

why are we walking on horizon

[rough basalt]

I like the idea not too much the execution

[blissful ibex]

Cyric kinda broke his avatarin half, usurped some of his domain, and greatly weakened him for it

[woven flint]

Thats true, but he's not rid of Mask completely lol

[rough basalt]

Cyric the man who caused all the trouble he did because he has an inferiority complex

Cause his two allies as a mortal were a hot dude and a hot lady and he looked like Mordors Most Wanted.

Dude fell off the ugly tree and hit every branch on the way down.

[woven flint]

Cyric is masterclass loser!

He's not even the best at being a loser

Because he killed Mystra once which makes him a bit less of a loser

[rough basalt]

Actually more of a loser

[woven flint]

But not enough to make him cool

[rough basalt]

He only killed her cause she was hotter than he was.

Actually he did it cause she was more important than him while alive and as a god.

Dudes always been an ugly blunt instrument you use when you want something dead and it's what he'll always be.

[hollow estuary]

I managed to achieve a divine rank like once in 5e, it was pretty cool. Diety stuff is badass.

well once in the forgotten realms*

[rough basalt]

Mystra is probably the biggest victim role among deities

[hollow estuary]

true.

[rough basalt]

Mystryl had it easy

The first Mystra was absolutely traumatized and went insane.

[woven flint]

Nah. Cyric still isn't cool as a god, Sol.

He's still a massive manbaby, just with godly power

[rough basalt]

And 2nd Mystra (midnight) didn't go insane from the trauma but still has a lot of issues cause of it.

[warm shore]

Kelemvor is such a goat

[hollow estuary]

yeah cyric sucks, Im saying one of my characters once became a lesser diety and i think the divine stuff is cool.

[rough basalt]

Like neither the 1st Mystra or the current Mystra chose to be Mystra.

[woven flint]

Now, do we think Cyric is a bigger incel than Strahd?

[rough basalt]

Ao made them be Mystra.

Strahd. Cyric is more pathetic in general though.

Especially the 1st Mystra. Ao really did a number on her.

[hollow estuary]

Cyric is like the murder god right?

[rough basalt]

He's the God of Madness.

He does have a hand in the murder portfolio tho when he killed Bhaal and ascended.

[empty thicket]

he might be pretty mad

[woven flint]

Bhaal is the Murder God

[hollow estuary]

yeah he teamed up with shar once, my diety character died to a avatar of shar. so lowkey screw her.

[rough basalt]

Well "teamed up"

[odd valley]

didn’t he have the entire portfolio of the dead three at a point?

[rough basalt]

It was more Shar was the one with a leash on the rabid dog

[hollow estuary]

Rip Lyra, Shar did her dirty.

[rough basalt]

Ye he had a lot of portfolios then he started getting his ass beat

[blissful ibex]

Just completed a bunch of the season 8 AL content and DMM's Vanrakdoom, so throughly messed up one of her strongholds and killed a whole bunch of vampires and cultists under her if that helps XD

[rough basalt]

Kelemvor took the Death Portfolio from him.

Bhaal took murder back.

[hollow estuary]

Omg dude I was two divine ranks away from intermediate 😭

Yeah, thanks though.

[woven flint]

Cyric is the Edgelord of deities

[rough basalt]

Cyric is the God of Murderhobos

[odd valley]

and bane and myrkul took tyranny and undeath back from him right

[rough basalt]

Bhaalists are more like serial killers.
They have MOs, style.

[odd valley]

respectively

[rough basalt]

Cyricists are the ones that just attack merchants for no reason

[odd valley]

yeah their cults and murders are very much so on brand

[rough basalt]

Yeah they did.

Ao threw Cyric in jail after he killed Mystra and he got stripped of everything except madness.

[hollow estuary]

whats your favorite greyhawk diety?

[woven flint]

Bhaalist have reason to murder
Cyricist are just.. jerks.

[rough basalt]

Like I'm pretty sure there's cities in FR that don't ban Bhaal worship but ban Cyric worship.

[woven flint]

Well, Bhaal is given direction and guidance for his hatred (from my understanding)

Cyric is just a jerk

[rough basalt]

It's like Devils vs Demons

Bhaalists have their own sorts of codes.

Cyricists are just GTA players

[blissful ibex]

IIRC:
Baal is Murder
Myrkul is Undeath
Kelemvor is the dead

and Jergal made a mess of things and retired to be a scribe or something

[woven flint]

Cyricists aren't even the COOL Anarchists of the realms smh.

[rough basalt]

Well he made a mess of things trying to retire

Then had to become a scribe to fix it.

[odd valley]

myrkuls domain is odd, because he doesn’t preside over death, strictly speaking, but rather those who live in death

[woven flint]

Myrkul is Undeath

[rough basalt]

Speaking of Dead Three. I wonder if mine will let my Rogue be if she survives EoR.

[woven flint]

Who is she a Scion of again?

[rough basalt]

Since the agreement was "I'll kill this Vecna guy and prove he's weaker than you."

Bane.

Even if he doesn't, it's not like that'll change her epilogue all that much.

[woven flint]

Sovis doesn't care as much about killing Vecna as he does vanquishing Lolth

[round ridge]

how do druids actually get their power, spending time in nature?

or is it like from their circle

[hollow estuary]

so If im not wrong theirs three types of magic.

Arcane.
Divine.
Primal.

or ADP.

All of these share the same schools but have fundementally different roots.

Same thing, different shape.

Primal magic is the natural power in the world around you, Just the inherent natural magic in the world, Druids learn to harness this power to their own benefit.

as a result, this is how they wild shape.

[round ridge]

So druids can be just anyone who understand and can utilize the preexisting magic of the world?

[hollow estuary]

Yeah

[round ridge]

that gives me ideas, thank you

[hollow estuary]

and a druid leveling up is similar, as they gain levels, its similar to a tree spreading its roots, they figure out how to tap into more of the dormant power around them.

the same way a tree finds more resources

[blissful ibex]

Druids, Rangers, and Barbarians draw on Primal Magic
Artificers, Bards, Warlocks, Sorcerers, and Wizards draw on Arcane Magic
Paladins and Clerics draw on Divine magic

[bronze wave]

idk if warlocks are arcane?

[hollow estuary]

Depends on the patron

[bronze wave]

is primal magic an acutal thing lol

[blissful ibex]

They're lumped in with Sorceres and Wizards fairly explicitly and are technically granted forbidden knowledge and understanding from their patron

[woven flint]

They are
Because they dont necessarily get their powers from God's, but occult beings

[bronze wave]

but sometimes they do? or get it from god adajcent being

[blissful ibex]

Barbarians being a more physical aspect of primal forces is rather fun c:

[woven flint]

Yes, but as Mèabhy says, it comes from knowledge

[hollow estuary]

Primal: Barbarian, Ranger, Blood Hunter, Druid, Warlock, (Artificer to a lesser extent)
Arcane: Wizard, Sorcerer, Bard, Artificer, Warlock.
Divine: Cleric, Paladin, Divine soul Sorcerer, Warlock.

[blissful ibex]

muscle magic

[woven flint]

Not power directly bestowed upon

[hollow estuary]

Yeah but basically barbarians can rage so hard they channel storms.

pretty primal to me

[lavish flame]

Yeah, its what Druids and Rangers do

[blissful ibex]

like the class description outright calls out that their rage is basically a form of primal magic

[hollow estuary]

Technically zealot is somewhat divine but its really just primal magic in disguise.

Primal magic can take on a pseudo divine state because some deities like chauntea and pelor are heavily involved in nature.

[bronze wave]

i mean magic is literally from a divine being lol

[blissful ibex]

Barbarians are mighty warriors who are powered by primal forces of the multiverse that manifest as a Rage. More than a mere emotion—and not limited to anger—this Rage is an incarnation of a predator's ferocity, a storm's fury, and a sea's turmoil.

[bronze wave]

this is why i dont look at dnd lore

[hollow estuary]

the weave can function without mystra, albiet poorly

[bronze wave]

"albiet poorly"

[blissful ibex]

the weave isn't magic
it's just how mortals interact with magic

[bronze wave]

like isnt she direclty interwoven with it

[blissful ibex]

Spellfire is the closest thing you get to a driect maniplulation of magic

[bronze wave]

who can use arcane magic not using the weave?

[blissful ibex]

Those that can use spellfire

which is lore is exceedingly rare

[woven flint]

And the spellfire subclass is still mediocre 😭

[bronze wave]

the subclass says it uses the weave?

[hollow estuary]

good. because its weak as hell

[bronze wave]

"Your innate power stems from the source of magic itself: the Weave"

[blissful ibex]

The subclass is a revision of/very different from how it worked in the books from what I've been told

[bronze wave]

^

[hollow estuary]

If you ask boccob what the weave is he will probably teleport you out.

[blissful ibex]

eeh; whole bunch of support/utility/healing spells and unblockable chip damage or temps isn't too bad

good if you don't have anyone else capable of casting Lesser/Greater Restoration at the very least

[woven flint]

Its not weak, just mediocre

[hollow estuary]

Also artificers can access primal magic. cure wounds is a example of that

[woven flint]

Thats ... not how healing magic works
Its not in a defined category

Its not SPECIFICALLY primal magic.

[hollow estuary]

riiight bards can cast it too

[blissful ibex]

cure wounds is a spell
primal magic is a source of magical ability

[hollow estuary]

my bad bro

[woven flint]

Artificers get their magic through Arcane Innovation

[blissful ibex]

s'all good c:

[blissful ibex]

they're batman

[hollow estuary]

some goated artificers like harness live elementals to power veichles in ebberon but for the most part yes.

[woven flint]

Except Batman doesn't make most of his own tech (typically)

[jolly canyon]

I have a back up artillerist arti and its so cool. i like his lil guy he can make

[hollow estuary]

The second character I succesfully ascended into a god was this sweet granny named kathy, shes a peace cleric in service of rao, wherever the party went she made sure to spend time resolving disputes encouraging peace and spreading the faith of her god.

I was so succesfull at this that when I reached level 15 I became a demigod, rao recodnized my efforts and elevated me to a higher position

which is kinda cool.

[jolly canyon]

highest ive ever been is my cleric who is level 6. he's also my first char. excited to get him high level assuming he doesnt die

[hollow notch]

how big is the artificer cannon again

[lavish flame]

you say "goated", I say "evil"

[woven flint]

Tiny or Small (you choose between those two)

[hollow estuary]

We ended up killing iuz because by the time we were level 20, I had a higher divine rank them him so I was able to absorb his domains and we all ascended togeather.

[hollow notch]

i wonder if you can use the third option like a medigun the medic has in tf2

[hollow estuary]

I don't think you can use it like the blutsager

[hollow notch]

like a beam of healing

oh its only a aoe heal for 1d8

[jolly canyon]

i learned uhh.. the elementals dont like it lol

my campaign is eberron so deff floating the idea of a moral choice when i eventually give them a ship lol

[lavish flame]

well yeah, its imprisonment and slavery for them

[hollow notch]

protector mode is kind of disappointing

i can see its uses tho

[olive storm]

Sorry if it seems like I joined this server just to argue. I get really irritable in the mornings.

[woven flint]

I joined the server to glorp and worpl

[empty thicket]

pistol//musket sized

[errant crag]

Believe me you're fine

[olive storm]

Also phone broken. So typing hard.

[errant crag]

If I'm still here you're fine

[woven flint]

You're fine /respectful rizz /joking

[lavish flame]

this is the first message of yours I have ever seen

[errant crag]

Thanks

[olive storm]

It's not really the place for it so I won't go on a rant but I have a disorder that makes me really irritable.

[lavish flame]

I'd argue (hah!) that like 70%+ of what we do here is arguing about stuff

[woven flint]

I'll argue against this

[lavish flame]

a prophecy fulfilled

[olive storm]

Man, that no swearing rule reallu trips me up.

[lavish flame]

you'd be surprised the shit you can still say

[woven flint]

You can say certain swears, just not the hard ones

[hollow estuary]

Ide like to disagree!

Page 69 of the mog masters guide addendum A proclaims "you're not tuff."

[errant crag]

You'd be surprised at the stuff that isn't swears that you can't say

[woven flint]

Clanker is my favorite swear

[olive storm]

Clanker...

[woven flint]

Yell heah.

[steel whale]

Is AOE temp hp each round as a bonus action not goated?

[lavish flame]

Yuuuuup, you may also trigger a random tripwire in a word that you're totally unaware somehow contains a bad word. I remember people getting got for stuff like "Catra perserveres" because of the middle 4 letters, even with the space between.

[hollow estuary]

I really find AI fun.

I know how to exploit and destroy its systems to the absaloute maximum to have it do silly things.

(on the topic of clanker)

[idle oar]

Hey folks let’s keep things on topic please (and keep things appropriate). Thanks!

[woven flint]

I'm playing a robotic fellow myself, on Saturday, he's a Dog & Hound Pugilist Warforged fellow named Sentry 🧐

His dog is named Vigilance!
Vigil for short

[hollow estuary]

oh fellow biosystem bound metal man! I truly admire the design!

[woven flint]

No, he's purely a mechanical person
He just has a dog

[hollow estuary]

yeah warforges have biosystems thats why they arent immune to poison

[lavish flame]

I've always liked Warforged names for their characterization. A Warforged who goes by "Eight" is likely radically different from a Warforged who goes by "Axiom"

[hollow estuary]

really stupid design flaw in my opinion

[woven flint]

He was born forged, Forged born, one would say

Almost... War... forged

[hollow estuary]

as in forged for war? Despicable!

who couldove knew?

[lavish flame]

its the only reason they don't need to be piloted!

thats not a design flaw! thats an engineering marvel!

[hollow estuary]

You have swayed my train of thought! Yes! Who am I to doubt the great makers, the house always wins!

[blissful ibex]

misead this as AL q_q

AL my beloved
best way to play dnd

[hollow estuary]

thats a unfortunate sequence of grammatical mistakes

[hollow estuary]

Real. Based.

[blissful ibex]

it's funny because it and the following sentence actually work if you replace AI with AL

[bronze wave]

wtf is AL

[blissful ibex]

?al

[lavish flame]

I really enjoyed my (brief) time with AL. I enjoyed the feeling of all of us having "legal" characters, and all the baggage that comes with that (like getting a Supernatural Gift that stops you from leaving Barovia)

[cosmic roost]

What is the Adventurers League?

The D&D Adventurers League is an ongoing official campaign for Dungeons & Dragons. It uses the fifth edition Dungeons & Dragons rules, and features the Forgotten Realms setting. You can play D&D Adventurers League games literally anywhere. Players use the fifth edition rules to create a character and bring that character to games anywhere D&D Adventurers League play is happening.
[Find out more](#al-rules-compendium message)

Are you interested in the Adventurers League?
We have several channels to discuss Adventurers League play:

• #al-admin-questions — Ask the AL Admins questions
• #1309594376275759104 — Find the latest AL documentation here
• #adventurers-league — Chat about AL games, events, how to get started, AL characters, or other general AL chatter.
• #1050206875079155742 — Adventurers League rules discussion and questions. General D&D rules discussion belongs in #dnd-rules
• #al-dm-discussion — [SPOILER WARNING] A place for AL Dungeon Masters of all levels of experience to discuss their games, share tips, or share constructive feedback.
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[blissful ibex]

yeah, that season is weird

I've played a lot of 2nd and 8th season with a bit of 5th
then just mostly a lot of CCC and dungeoncraft modules

also specifically floor 18 of DMM

[lavish flame]

Adventurer's League was the D&D Designers coming up with ways for a character from 1 table to play in another table without having to make alterations to the character. This includes additional rules that uniquely apply to your character sheet (like a limit on how many magic items you can have or how much experience an adventure can reward you) to make the "jump between tables" aspect work well.

[blissful ibex]

Think of it as a worldwide westmarches campaign that you could use the same cahracter on for any table that runs that ruleset

could be with your DM at home, could be at your LGS, could be at a convention

could be online using a VTT and discord voicechat

[lavish flame]

It was also a really solid way to get people all playing the same storyline. So like, when Out of the Abyss came out, the Adventurer's League season was Rage of Demons and AL tables would play through Out of the Abyss and shorter adventures that were built around the "Rage of Demons" theme.

[blissful ibex]

Basically everything is strictly RAW, there's slight limits to source books, and you get an optional levelup and a magic item after every session

you're not always with the same party, you might have other players or characters in your group, and it's more like a series of oneshots than a full strucuted campaign in many cases

though it can also be a series or a hardcover campaign broken into chapters

they also release official modules that paired to the hardcover adventure books they release which gave extra context and backstory to the characters, places, and events of the printed books

just a really fun format

I have a vault of like 60 magic items from common to very rare >:3
(you can only bring so many with you at a time depending on tier of play)

[jolly canyon]

i asked the same question in DM chat lol is a AL learning type of day

[woven flint]

I don't like 2024 shadow monk >:/

[thorn osprey]

I have a quick question, are there dragons that are extremely hateful towards other dragons? If so, please do help me out and tell me which ones

[woven flint]

Most Chromatics are hostile, even towards eachother

[thorn osprey]

I've been just brewing this idea, where I take my dragon-loving player who has a pet dragon and finally let them meet up with the dragon's family--only for them to be attacked by a far bigger/older dragon, alongside with his family.

But this is just a rough idea, still not exactly written down

[normal canyon]

Do yall ever do ranged fighters?

[woven flint]

Nah
I think they're boring

[lavish flame]

Most dragons are fairly territorial and mistrusting of other dragons. Chromatics might actively hunt other dragons, whereas Metallics might instead send spies to see what they're doing.

[rough basalt]

I've done a gun fighter before

[lavish flame]

I've been thinking about an Elvish Fighter with Elven Accuracy

So, kinda yeah

[woven flint]

Metallics are more likely to be diplomatic, at the very least

[rough basalt]

if i do a ranged fighter its gonna be crossbow or gun

[umbral girder]

A build I would like to do someday

[marble hinge]

Is Volo's Complete Subrace Handbook official material, I sometimes struggle determining what's official or what's third party

[rough basalt]

No

[lavish flame]

no

[rough basalt]

Some third party uses official npc names for its stuff

[marble hinge]

thank you :)

[rough basalt]

Like Xanathars Lost Notes

[vast saddle]

Guys, how do you get your PC killed when your PC is nearly indestructible?

[marble hinge]

"Because the eggs are susceptible to cold, they
are kept near a slow-burning fire, or are protected by
an insulating layer of dung and decomposing matter
around the eggs. "

Wild things going on in kobold warrens

[errant crag]

By saying "DM I'd like to play a different character"

[gusty charm]

How are they indestructible?

[vast saddle]

Relentless Endurance and Level 5 Second Wind

[marble hinge]

What level are you

[vast saddle]

Level 5 Orc Fighter

[marble hinge]

Yea, you ain't indestructable

[woven flint]

Thats laughable to say indestructible

[gusty charm]

Why are you trying to die, exactly?

[rough basalt]

If that's indestructible, your dm is running way too easy encounters.

[marble hinge]

[vast saddle]

Bad roleplay buildup in West Marches from the start. I have been doing better as Cleric in my 2nd West Marches server

[marble hinge]

If you really don't want them, then just ask to change characters

[vast saddle]

I can't, the server where I want to die requires me to be at level 10 to make new characters

The fastest way is to die

Gladly today's quest in the server has the highest TPK rate of all quests available there

[severe rampart]

Woke up at the perfect time for my session, now I'm well rested and ready to kill my player

[gusty charm]

I guess just act incredibly reckless in combat? Or jump off a cliff or smth? That’s not a great rule (no offense to your DM)

[vast saddle]

That's why the death should be an unfortunately inevitable death

I really hope that high TPK rate is legit

[hollow notch]

is con dump a bad idea if im ranged

[severe rampart]

Yes

At some point, you will get hit

It's always a bad idea to dump con

[humble cairn]

If you're not playing in a hardcore game you could probably get away with it.

[severe rampart]

Also not to mention saving throws

[marble hinge]

I'm a cleric and also somehow one of the tankier players HP wise

[hollow notch]

cleric is mix range melee

[marble hinge]

I hide ;)

[paper portal]

Yeah hit dice really don't matter as much as people think

[river fulcrum]

Depends

If someone has 500 hp against 5 lv 6s I don't know

Even maybe 5 lv 9s

[molten glade]

Is charisma a good dump stat for a wizard

[paper portal]

Yeah

[severe rampart]

do you mean it's a good stat to dump? if so yeah

[river fulcrum]

Question do you wanna be Dave the dragon rizzard?

[paper portal]

Charisma and strength are useless for wizards

[severe rampart]

it's not a good stat that gets dumped, it's a stat that's good to be dumped

[molten glade]

Damn, even in other rpgs charisma is a dump stat

[severe rampart]

Take that back right now

[paper portal]

Depends on your class

[molten glade]

Well, except if you're a charisma caster

[severe rampart]

I love me some Warlocks, Sorcerers, Bards, and Paladins

[molten glade]

Then it's kinda a shit idea to dump your casting ability

[lavish flame]

this isn't the conclusion to come to given the question

[empty thicket]

charisma is always good for interactions with other entities and RP

Strength yeah, dump it down being a caster

sadly there isnt too much saves or skills related to STR so...

[severe rampart]

literally only one right? lmao

[empty thicket]

2 skills, athletics and... yep... only one bruh

[severe rampart]

Athletics when the goat Acrobatics is an alternative

[empty thicket]

can argue that you could use STR for persuasion//intimidation

[fickle field]

Hey, how it going guys?

[empty thicket]

but that is if im not wrong an optional rule

[severe rampart]

I reckon intimidation

that's why giving your way of doing things is better than just "I roll intimidation"

[lavish flame]

I've always loved using alternate ability scores for rolls. Someone introduced me to Charisma (Stealth) checks to blend into a crowd and I was hooked since.

[empty thicket]

Int and Wis have 5
Cha have 4
dext have 3
Const have 0 but its your HP stat so its expected

[severe rampart]

last session of playing a paladin I literally just held my holy symbol and said "you see an aura radiate around me, but it's actually just themauturgy" and the DM laughed so hard he gave me advantage of the deception check

[lavish flame]

nah, its how you're supposed to do things

[severe rampart]

lord knows I needed it

this is why Chauntea is the goat

[empty thicket]

yep, sometimes if i feel like it i ask if i can describe how i would do it

[severe rampart]

god I really liked playing a paladin that session, I roleplayed so hard my DM gave everyone an inspiration in the party

[empty thicket]

next sess i have 2 inspirations, it seems we are going to face some sort of invasion to the town we are in

i hope this time i can fight... last session was funny but im still craving blood.

[severe rampart]

next session I also have two inspirations, and we're going to face... muscular squirrels.

[empty thicket]

i used an action surge for trying to eat a pie... i failed 2 times...

[visual pulsar]

Heyyy

[feral fulcrum]

It could be worse, you could be facing mutant kung-fu squirrels, with Magical Martials arts...and capable of biting through steel by splitting open into a horrifying maw.

[graceful rock]

Hello

[idle bone]

Ban this guy

[idle bone]

So fun. I was there as the table if you didn't notice.

[ionic cobalt]

hello hwo do we find players to playor a lobby

[odd valley]

look at the instructions in #find-a-game

[graceful rock]

What did I do :(

[idle bone]

IM SORRY BRO IM SORRY

[graceful rock]

No its fine, but what did i do?

[idle bone]

Exist

This is a no existence zone bro

[graceful rock]

Real

Aight.

Bye.

Atomizes

[idle bone]

This is a very quiet server

I wonder what people are doing right now

[graceful rock]

Sleeping

Its midnight

[idle bone]

No... That's not it...

[graceful rock]

Then... they must be playing dnd!

Or warhammer....

[timid anvil]

Usually around this time most people are asleep

Or get ready for work

[lavish flame]

For the USA its anywhere from like 11pm-2am, in Europe, its the early morning. Most are sleeping or just waking up

[empty thicket]

in europe is like 9am
in America in general is between 2 to 5am

[severe rampart]

about to kill a player

[idle bone]

Absolutely

[limber trail]

Oh no

What’s the situation?

[severe rampart]

He has currently 3 hp vs the enemy who has 47, if he is knocked down he is dead

[timid anvil]

the dice giveth, and the dice taketh away

[odd valley]

it is not i can assure you

[limber trail]

Whose turn is it?

[idle bone]

Execution style

[severe rampart]

The boss

[limber trail]

Well

That’s rough

[idle bone]

Make the boss Dougie before he kills your PC

[limber trail]

I hope at least you crit

[jolly canyon]

11pm for me

[fair plinth]

Is counterspell really worth it if the enemy just casts the spell next turn

[buoyant stag]

What class would be the best for throwing weapons like throwing knives or boomerang ?

[idle bone]

Pirate

[buoyant stag]

What?

[odd valley]

make em waste a spell slot

[idle bone]

I'm just amazing

[limber trail]

Yes, it buys you a round

[fair plinth]

I suppose

[idle bone]

It can't buy you anything it's not money 🥹

[limber trail]

If the enemy is going to cast a particularly bad spell then delaying that a whole round is very worth it

[odd valley]

and an action too if it’s an action spell

[limber trail]

Most likely rogue but all martians can do those things

[buoyant stag]

Is there a certain subclass or something that specializes in this using 2014

[idle bone]

Dodge bro 💔

[limber trail]

That’s an action and quite possibly doesn’t help with the spell

[idle bone]

Making it complicated -- just dodge

🥹

[limber trail]

A nasty dominate person, a big AoE spell, a teleport spell to escape - counterspell is your best defence against all three

[severe rampart]

the PC is now dead

[idle bone]

Yes!

[limber trail]

That’s rough

[severe rampart]

I believe that PC death should be treated with respect

[idle bone]

I.. really couldn't care less 🥹

[odd valley]

did they go out in a blaze of glory?

[severe rampart]

yes

[odd valley]

good

[limber trail]

This was your 1v1 trial by combat?

[odd valley]

that’s the best way to go

[idle bone]

Personally, I would've lived 👀

[odd valley]

the pc is admitted into valhalla, and we will see them when it is time for ragnarok and the einherjar are called to fight

[idle bone]

What if the big bad is also up there when he dies? Do they fight again

Questions... Questions...

[odd valley]

no.

the big bad is not there

[idle bone]

Why

Questions... Questions...

[odd valley]

the big bad does not fight honorably, so they get sent to helheim

[limber trail]

They’re the big bad and Valhalla is the hall of fallen heroes

[idle bone]

What defines honor?

[idle bone]

Isn't it based on perspective? What if the big bad (in his eyes) was doing the right thing?

[odd valley]

no it’s in the perspective of the aesir

[limber trail]

It’s not based on their own perspective

[idle bone]

What's his perspective?

[limber trail]

It’s as keyz mentioned based on the aesir

[odd valley]

there’s not one aesir, there are many

[limber trail]

Probably that this guy is evil and they don’t want him in their army

[idle bone]

Okay, their* perspective

[idle bone]

But what defines evil from good?

[odd valley]

and odin, the main aesir, likely wouldn’t want the big bad in their eternal army because they’re evil and not heroic at all

[limber trail]

I mean as a broad rule of thumb the alignment chart

It’s also based on the alignment and beliefs of the aesir

[idle bone]

What if the PC breaks a law or steals? At what point are they no longer acceptable into Valhalla?

Also, allingment is more used as a guide right?

[limber trail]

That would be situational, depend on their actions, motive, and how they died

[odd valley]

let’s argue, for simplicities sake, the big bad we’re dealing with is strahd, but this time his soul ends up getting judged before being sent to one of three afterlives in norse mythology. he would end up being sent to helheim, no matter how strong he was, because at the end of the day, he was an incel and also a terrible ruler to the people of Barovia

[idle bone]

So at what point does the bad outdo good? Does being a incompetent person also exclude you from Valhalla?

[odd valley]

yes

it does, actually

[limber trail]

There’s not a single rule here to be followed. There’s nuance. Trying to ascribe a specific rule or code of entry goes against what Valhalla is because the point is that it is subjective - it’s the people that the Aesir want to serve in their armies when Ragnarok comes

[idle bone]

So it's just based on the people's judgement and what they deem "good" "evil" and "enough"?

[idle bone]

You seem real fun at parties

[odd valley]

if you were incompetent at combat, and you died in combat, there’s no chance the aesir would choose to turn you into an einherjar before ragnarok, because the einherjar are the elite immortal warriors.

[limber trail]

It’s based on the god’s judgement kinda yeah

[odd valley]

yes i am, how did you know

[idle bone]

Seems kinda weird. And it feels like it definitely could be manipulated.

[idle bone]

Just a wild guess

Call it intuition

[errant crag]

All people I don't like are evil

Fictional or otherwise

If I don't like you then you've clearly done evil

[limber trail]

Having a specific code is a lot more likely to be manipulated

[idle bone]

God? Is that you 🥹

[errant crag]

It's me, child.

[odd valley]

and pink has officially become a dnd god

[glass granite]

Congratulations

[idle bone]

Well, maybe. But in a fictional story telling way, I feel having the people say "he was good enough" is nuanced

[idle bone]

Take me away bro🙏

A code is more measurable I guess

[limber trail]

I mean yeah there is nuance in “they’re good enough”.

The subjectivity of the system isn’t a flaw, it’s a feature. Specific guidelines and rules for getting into Valhalla leads to people abusing those rules, finding space in between them to do bad things, getting in on technicalities. The way it actually works is that when you die, if you’ve been a good and honourable warrior (which is intentionally subjective to the gods) you become an einherjar

The vagueness isn’t a bug, it’s a feature that allows the Aesir more say over who does and doesn’t make it in. It means they’re never forced to accept or reject someone on a technicality

[idle bone]

Yeah, I suppose. But you could still abuse it by appealing to the gods, no? Just be honorable and good enough

I'm sorta assuming it's based on actions the PC does

(I could be wrong 👀)

[lavish flame]

talkin' bout the afterlife in D&D?

[idle bone]

Nice name and yeah

[pliant crow]

guys, can i ask some advice with how i carry my character in our campaign forward? ^^;

for context, i am using a rogue/scout aarakocra who is actually a wanted criminal, but he's framed and innocent. my party has been noticing he has an aversion to killing people until last table session when he was finally outed. My character is averse to killing people because he feels like that the cops who framed him were right all along, but I also this might be quite a big topic of contention for my tablemates. How far and how gracefully can you guys recommend me with being able to make him not kill for as long as I can without compromising the goals of my party? ^^;

I'm asking because we're about to infiltrate a bandit camp to liberate a whole lot of hostages and slaves. who knows what might happen, and I don't want to accidentally compromise my team just because i want to keep my rogue killess.

[odd valley]

oh no i was basically taking the piss valhalla isnt the form of afterlife in dnd

[odd valley]

knock em out

[still plover]

Sure. The gods don't expect everyone to be worthy of sainthood. Good enough is by definition good enough.

But you never know what mood they'll be in when you're judged, or what consequences of your actions you didn't see, so...

[pliant crow]

he tries to when he's melee, but how much more can he get away with that? ^^;
esp since we might rely on range a lot. i dont know how i can knock people out with arrows

[limber trail]

If you’re honourable enough and good enough then yeah you’re honourable enough and good enough.

[odd valley]

ask your dm if you could fashion blunt arrows to knock them out with

[limber trail]

Your use of “enough” implies that it’s not actually enough. Which means then that it’s not enough.

[lavish flame]

Yeah, but thats part of the whole Alignment thing. In D&D, how you conduct yourself (Alignment) is the major deciding factor for where you go whej you die, after that comes your personal piety. A Chaotic Good person might die and go to Ysgard to fight in an endless battle. A Lawful Neutral person might die and go to Mechanus to become a cog in the Modron machine. There's a section on Cosmology in the Dungeon Master's Guide that touches on this stuff.

[idle bone]

So it's heavily nuanced. The original question was could the bbg be considered into Valhalla. If he was deemed competent, honorable, and good enough he would make it in? Despite being the enemy of the PC. Considering the gods emotion play into it, it really feels like a flawed and swayed way of judgement

[still plover]

Talk with the other players first, don't leave it until game time. Maybe you all agree that this is a hostile situation, you're acting against clearly evil folk, it's not murder but frontier justice. Maybe they take your character's side and arrange a plan where you get to knock folk out while they get messy.

[pliant crow]

waiiiiiiit you just made me remember that slings are in dnd

i'll ask my DM if i can use pebbles for nonlethal instead

[still plover]

You say the gods are flawed? I ain't arguing.

[idle bone]

You don't think that can be swayed or abused?

[pliant crow]

but how do you guys reocmmend i approach a situation for when my rogue might need to kill someone again? ^^;

how much is too far with me trying to keep him killess?

[lavish flame]

Thats a possible plot point, yeah

[pliant crow]

i don't want him to be too far much a precious and innocent cherry

[idle bone]

Oh, okay. That's interesting. I didn't know that

[humble cairn]

You should talk to your group about this, actually. Out of character for sure, but it would be even cooler to do an in-character discussion about it.

[pliant crow]

hhhhhhhhmmmmmmmmmmm ok

[still plover]

I would do OOC first, then have a scene in character for the dramas.

[pliant crow]

some of them are of the opinion he should start killing

there's actually another person in our party who is averse to killing: our bard

but i think he's an exception somewhat. cuz he's mostly support

[idle bone]

Thank you all for answering and saying things! I'ma dip 🫡

[limber trail]

I think the opposite could be a lot more abused by people acting as if they technically fulfilled all the requirements for Valhalla, even if they did hundreds of other actions that, while evil, don’t break any specific code.

[humble cairn]

The reason he doesn't is a personal psychological guilt thing, which is really cool roleplay, but only if it's not disruptive of other people's fun.

[pliant crow]

yeah which is what worries me

because i don't want it to disrupt other people

so i don't know how to gauge my own limits ^^;

well, the character's i mean

im fine killing things in DnD on my other characters but yeah XD

[still plover]

And there's the potential realities of the situation. Does your party have the resources to securely transport a quantity of prisoners back to civilisation for judgement? Would that pose a greater risk to yourselves and others than slitting a few throats here and now?

[limber trail]

And it can be constructive and enhance everyone’s fun. My group is having an awesome time playing through a lot of tension about whether or not it’s okay to kill one particular enemy of the party, comparing alternatives like whether imprisoning them is even an option, and if erasing their memory is possible and ethical

But it does need to be something the group is invested in

[still plover]

(Oh ho ho, the death of personality. Hot topic!)

[pliant crow]

this is actually part of why i asked: we might not XD
the town IS near, around a day or so's travel. but there are a lot of bandits, and a lot of NPCs helping our party

but even then we'll likely have to use a powerful monster in the forest as a distraction because we're simply too few

[lavish flame]

You could consider whether or not your character would justify killing these people. If they can't justify it, then don't do it.

[still plover]

All it needs is one bandit escaping, taking revenge on a NPC the night after, and that guilt is all on your character.

[pliant crow]

they're bandits, so he's fine fighting them. but yeah the fear is of taking a life to begin with. to lose his status of someone who is 100% bloodless so far

[pliant crow]

yeah and that's what also makes my character very worried

he knows this very possibility

[limber trail]

It’s a hot button issue in my campaign and that player’s suggestion has some weight behind it.

[pliant crow]

what i do intend with him, roughly speaking ofc, is that he WILL start to change if he kills someone. but that's only an IF. it's also an if to if his alignment starts to change depending on what happens in the campaign

but that's a lot of ifs and mights

[still plover]

Think of it like a time of war. A soldier kills for their cause. They don't murder on a whim.

[pliant crow]

his preference to avoid it but he might not have the luxury anymore. and i don't want to overextend that luxury either... i just still want to know how much i can get away with it without interrupting my group table's fun. ^^;

[humble cairn]

That's why you ask the other players directly. "Hey, I like this psychological guilt thing I have with my character, is it okay if we play it out in roleplay? Maybe your character's can help talk mine through i."

[severe rampart]

PC is making a deal with a hag

[pliant crow]

yes, gotcha. ^^;

i shall see when i can talk to the other players next

[humble cairn]

Every group's fun is different. We can't tell you what would harsh that, you have to ask them.

[severe rampart]

quick what should I do

[pliant crow]

ty for the insight guys ^^;

[still plover]

Make popcorn?

[pliant crow]

thank you so much ❤️

[severe rampart]

What are fun consequences

[humble cairn]

Revisit your character's Personality, Bonds, Ideals, and Flaws and see what would be the most in-character thing to do?

[severe rampart]

I'm the DM

[humble cairn]

Oh! Haha, well is the Hag a significant enough character to have PBIF?

[still plover]

Context helps.

Okay, what does the hag want, short and long term? Just in general.

[severe rampart]

what does PBIF?

[humble cairn]

PBIF (Personality, Bonds, Ideals, Flaws)

[still plover]

#dnd-discussion message

[severe rampart]

Not really

[severe rampart]

Their primary goal is probably to be powerful, kidnap more children, etc.

[humble cairn]

Well since the PC is interacting with it in a pretty significant way it might be a signal they are interested in this NPC so maybe develop them into a more significant character?

[limber trail]

A favour owed. No commitment today. No huge quest. They get their friend back. But hanging over them… one day, they will need to repay the hag - a small favour, one she can cash in down the track.

[severe rampart]

Understood

[humble cairn]

Ok so this is an opportunity, do you want to make this a recurring character to use in the future for like .. comedy, creepiness, moral lessons, etc?

[limber trail]

Don’t give yourself rules yet - add a ticking bomb for the campaign that, at a time of your choice, you can cash in to make a situation all the more explosive

[humble cairn]

Also, what kind of hag?

[severe rampart]

Night Hag

[humble cairn]

It's a Knife Theory knife!

[severe rampart]

Oh my god the PC is offering to lure kids into the hag's windmill

[limber trail]

Love knife theory

[still plover]

That's from that video?

[kindred wyvern]

I'd love to do an all evil party someday

[limber trail]

It’s made the rounds in a few videos but it existed beforehand

[humble cairn]

Ooohhhh, she can haunt the character's dreams forever now.

[kindred wyvern]

Oh no

[limber trail]

(In response to the wrong message whoops)

[kindred wyvern]

Stop the hag

[still plover]

(Figured)

[humble cairn]

"Hehehe, you're fun, kid. I'd like to see more of what you do. Tell you what, how about you just let ol Granny wait and see and we'll just call in a favor down the line, alright?"

[cinder timber]

Hello folks

[severe rampart]

they're trying to deceieve the hag

[still plover]

It's definitely possible, but needs good trust among the players and some solid boundaries. Safety tools are also a must.

Generally they need a goal big enough that they all have to work together to achieve, despite whatever petty rivalries they have with one another.

[kindred wyvern]

Yea i just want to kill a gold dragon or something like that

[wispy harness]

hm thb is ranger a good starter class i dont wanna do fighter

[limber trail]

But yeah I really think a fun thing to always try and do as a DM is add tools to your toolbox each session. Introduce an enemy who can come back into play down the track, or a new ally who can help the players in new ways, or something like that. Don’t waste a chance like this on an easy solution that doesn’t lead anywhere. I’d pick the offer that will create the most new opportunities for adventure and challenges down the track, and you should be negotiating in that direction imo @severe rampart

[severe rampart]

yup got it

[humble cairn]

Have them switch eyeballs to seal the deal. The character making a deal has one of their eyes change color to match the hag's and the hag has one of their eyes switch to match the character.

[severe rampart]

understood

[limber trail]

Oh no I’ve been shrimped

[kindred wyvern]

Those gold dragons are technically the strongest so its a big flex and an evil party technically gives you an excuse to do that

[limber trail]

(Tied with red dragons)

[kindred wyvern]

Gold has double breath tho right?

[humble cairn]

And now the hag can see whatever the character sees and visits them in dreams. Just kind of .. sitting in the background of a dream, knitting a scarf out of guts or something.

[wispy harness]

lowk how does it feel to dm gang?

[severe rampart]

hehehehe...

[kindred wyvern]

Idk I think gold is a Lil bit stronger

They appear in rp but you rarely fight the metalic dragons unless its like a misunderstanding

At least the ones I've been in

[limber trail]

They’re different. Red Dragon’s breath weapon is a lot stronger. Gold dragons have two breath weapons but their weakening breath isn’t the same as a full on breath weapon

Gold dragons are a bit more spellcastery

[still plover]

Awesome!

[limber trail]

It all adds up to be the same CR

[kindred wyvern]

Got it, I'll play an abduration wizard in advance

[wispy harness]

hm awsome? hm ill become a dm someday then

[limber trail]

I wouldn’t plan an adventure assuming you’re going to fight a gold dragon unless it’s been stated by the DM

[kindred wyvern]

Tru

[limber trail]

They also don’t do that much spellcasting, they just have a few spells for utility and out of combat purposes usually

[kindred wyvern]

Oh okay

[limber trail]

I vastly prefer it to being a regular player ngl

[wispy harness]

:0

[kindred wyvern]

Nah players habe the most fun

[wispy harness]

how do i even start dming?

[still plover]

You set the stage, dress the locations, spark the situations and see what the players do to try and fix things. Then throw a complication in and watch them scramble - or adapt with elegance and grace and come out like heroes.

[kindred wyvern]

As a DM you already know what's gonna happen and you have to micromanage not as fun as just playing in my opinion

[wispy harness]

no dude wth players are unpredictable

[still plover]

Nah. You know how it starts, that's all.

[kindred wyvern]

I always just pick adventures from the books to homebrew, rarely do I do an adventure from scratch

[still plover]

Get the characters involved in a tricky situation in an interesting location then as the party approach a possible solution reveal an unwelcome complication.

Check out the Five Room Dungeon method too.

[kindred wyvern]

Ismt that the fun part?

[wispy harness]

cool but um like the resources or books?

[limber trail]

I’d talk to your previous DMs for advice, pick an adventure you wanna run (more on this at the end), watch a few videos and read a few articles, browse the dmg and mm.

For picking an adventure, I’ve got a few thoughts. Just don’t start with a one shot - they’re harder than people expect and tend to get pretty time-constrained. I wouldn’t do something too long either - don’t do some massive odyssey like curse of strahd. The sweet spot is 5-10 sessions. Pick something you’re really interested in and will be excited to run week by week.

[vast scarab]

Which channel would questions regarding homebrew creations go? I am looking for a little bit of help figuring something out.

[wispy harness]

ah thanks ill be sure to know this

[still plover]

Free here: https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/dnd/br-2024

DM specific part starts here: https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/dnd/br-2024/the-basics

[kindred wyvern]

If the DM makes cool ass adventures then I always go to them like my barber for a regular

[wispy harness]

:000

[limber trail]

You’d want #homebrew

[vast scarab]

Thank you, it wasnt added to my channels!

[kindred wyvern]

What kind of adventures do you guys like the most?

[still plover]

When you have a sec, check the #channel-guide for the full list.

[errant crag]

I like dangerous gameplay heavy dungeon crawl games

[kindred wyvern]

Good choice [insert Kung fu panda meme]

[limber trail]

I like sweeping mystery political intrigue RP heavy & schemey campaigns

[errant crag]

I like games like that too the problem is my DMs never say that they're that

[kindred wyvern]

Thats cool to. I like the detective work as long as its a good twist

The twist is important

[still plover]

I like a bit of exploration, a bit of figuring out stuff, and a chance to flex my chops interacting with NPCs.

[kindred wyvern]

NPCs are the best

I love interacting

[errant crag]

I like the cooperative gameplay of going through a dangerous scary dungeon with the rest of the party and fighting monsters and being scared of dying, and roleplaying all along the way

[limber trail]

Yeah you do need to be pretty clear up front with what you want and set expectations pretty well in session 0

[kindred wyvern]

I interact with almost every NPC in the room

It can be pretty unfun to actually kill off players in your rp so id be careful of those

[still plover]

It's not the dying I mind so much, it's being taken out of play I dislike.

[kindred wyvern]

Yea that

If theirs a way to bring players back its different

[still plover]

"Let me know when I'm back in. Alexa, play Despacito."

[kindred wyvern]

Well you want to know what happened in between time dont you?

[still plover]

My party can fill me in on the details. (But of course I'd be listening)

[pine kestrel]

Hello.

[still plover]

G'day.

[limber trail]

Oh definitely. It requires a little bit of skill to navigate but yeah if someone dies they need to be back in play within the next session, regardless of genre

[still plover]

Heck, I'll pilot a temporary sidekick until a real replacement can come in, but even among friends there's only so much watching other people play I can take.

[limber trail]

My usual go-to is, if possible, that player jumps in as an ally or even just co-DMs and plays some enemies until the end of the session

[lavish flame]

I feel this so hard about being Unconscious in D&D

[limber trail]

(To be honest, I run a game where death is enough of a headache for me that I don’t like it happening super often)

[dark basin]

Wait... what?

[errant crag]

If my player character dies I usually make my character then and there at the table with input from the rest of the table while I make them

[lavish flame]

I'd vastly prefer you to still be able to act while dying, like Boromir in LOTR. He doesn't slowly bleed out over the course of 30 seconds while unable to move or act. He dies while fighting people

[errant crag]

They're continuing the game I'm having session 0 again during it

[spice crane]

Hey everyone! I'm new to D&D but I understand the basics (classes, races, campaigns). I want to talk more about it.