dnd-discussion

[severe rampart]

The dilemma...

[open dawn]

Who needs sleep when you are on a creative high

[rough basalt]

I don't know if I'm gonna be able to run this one shot tonight.

I had to sit down and I'm falling asleep on a foldable chair in my kitchen

[silk hare]

thats why coffee and energy drinks exist ngl

[severe rampart]

I'm sure your players will understand

[open dawn]

A well rested dm is the best kind of dm

[rough basalt]

Nah cause the whole month is scheduled up so if it don't happen tonight it ain't happening.

[severe rampart]

... Caffeine actually makes me more tired

[silk hare]

ah thats fair...

||have you tried microdosing what is essentially meth (aka adhd medication)||

[reef tundra]

I love dnd but it must never come before your health, even sleep

[heavy cloak]

try taking it out on your players?

[open dawn]

As fun as it is, it is just a game at the end of the day

[rough basalt]

Sometimes it needs to come before.

[open dawn]

That’s the ✨incorrect answer✨

[reef tundra]

No, Sora 😭

[knotty vine]

My brother spilt juice all over my pc

I’m genuinely tweaking

[rough basalt]

Gotta build up the ability to run no matter what.

[open dawn]

That’s not a think people can do

[reef tundra]

Cast fireball

[rough basalt]

Gives me a longterm goal then

[severe rampart]

It would be cleaner to prestidigitation it

[knotty vine]

Pipe bomb

[reef tundra]

No on the brother

[severe rampart]

... How big is the room

[open dawn]

Won’t fix the pc but it’ll be really cool

[reef tundra]

I have more HP than the brother I can take it

[severe rampart]

But can the PC take it?

[reef tundra]

Well, the PC will be dry once I'm done at least

[reef tundra]

...... it will be dry

[rough basalt]

Also I'll have 3 days to rest after tonight till my next session.

[heavy cloak]

thunderclap is right there

[severe rampart]

Alright I need to come to a decision, I should sleep right now so I don't get to the session tired

[heavy cloak]

make all the juice fly from the pc

[reef tundra]

Power naps are divine

[severe rampart]

Power naps don't work for me, they hate me

[open dawn]

Do it! Sleep is for the strong!

[rough basalt]

I need probably about 2 days worth of sleep

[open dawn]

Alternatively fear, psychical scars heal faster than mental ones

[open dawn]

Please prioritize your health…

[heavy cloak]

48 hours of sleep is alot...

[reef tundra]

Baby numbers for me

[heavy cloak]

i once slept 50 hours in a single day, true story

[open dawn]

Over sleeping is also bad!!

[reef tundra]

Same here /j

[reef tundra]

Bite me
Oh wait that would wake me up
/j

[heavy cloak]

yeah after like 3 days you start to get thirsty

[open dawn]

I would need to wake you up if you’re gonna sleep for 48 hours lol

[reef tundra]

How sweet. I will destroy you upon awakening /lhj

[open dawn]

Hydration is important

[glad arch]

Imagine the dry mouth and thirst after sleeping 2 days straight

[open dawn]

And I will face my fate with a smile, knowing that I have prevented you from dehydration and muscle soreness

[jolly canyon]

I need a gallon of water by me when I dm

My mouth gets so dry from yapping

[reef tundra]

Fine then, out of spite I will look after your health too

[open dawn]

How dare you!!! It’s fine for me to do it but not other people!

[versed pollen]

2024 eldritch invocations options are very limited to any non eldtrich blasted focused warlock

[open dawn]

Agreed, the world needs to hear my long description of my stupid half thought out plan

[reef tundra]

I do not find it that way, I love the 2024 eldritch invocations. They let me play the prowler from spider-man once

However, it has been a while since I have looked through the list, so I may be misremembering

[open dawn]

It’s been a min since a player a warlock…

[heavy cloak]

do people actually play warlock? i thought its only for DMs to let you make a deal with the devil if you are about to die

[reef tundra]

Just took a look. I counted only 3 eldritch blast invocations

There are so many incredibly cool and flavourful options, and hopefully with more to come

[reef tundra]

It's a very popular class

And warlocks can serve far more than just devils. We got archfey, celestials, the ocean, cthulhu, immortal things, un-immortal things, the avatar... etc

[open dawn]

Some weapons too

[reef tundra]

Oh yes, can't forget the weapon

[open dawn]

A friend of mine made that pact and we all kept joking that he married his sword

[reef tundra]

Sounds like I made a pact with an undead then....

[jolly crypt]

The urge to start a magic academy campaign because I already have a setting fleshed out and I’m adding more to the magic system and lore and Witch Hat Atelier…

[reef tundra]

And an archfey

[open dawn]

Warlock pacts are just marriages with more benefits

[versed pollen]

The issue is about 10+ options from 2014 did not make it to 2024, so options are low, at level 5 you have 5 choices, out 15

[reef tundra]

Very understandable, just the first two episodes alone got me hooked

[reef tundra]

If they haven't been rewritten you can still take them if I recall

[open dawn]

Give into the urges!! Live your best life!!!

[rough basalt]

It's in a little over an hour. So past point of no return or whatever.

[jolly crypt]

Okay the only problem I have is how do you guys make the actual classes that the characters enroll in interesting? Calling any/all Strixhaven DM’s?

[dense nacelle]

More wizards need to invest in the one level in cleric

[rough basalt]

There's a third party product I've heard of that fleshes out the school part.

[dense nacelle]

I’m telling you, it is worth it.

[open dawn]

Unless it’s an important lore dump or something like that are the classes something you guys needs to play out every time?

[rough basalt]

No but some people may want to if they actually want the hogwarts in dnd experience.

[reef tundra]

I played a school oneshot once and we skipped over most of the classes

Key word on most, because some of the classes were peak

[rough basalt]

Aight I'm gonna concede. There's no way I'm gonna be able to run this session.

[open dawn]

Tbh even Harry Potter skipped over the classes unless it was important

[reef tundra]

If it serves a purpose to the plot, gameplay, or characters, it should be included, if not, skip past it

[jolly crypt]

Real…

[reef tundra]

Offer the non-important classes as a chance for your players to talk to NPCs that may be hard for them to find outside of classes

Like the teachers, other classmates, etc

[rough basalt]

True.

Depends on the group

[open dawn]

Or just ask them if there is anything they wanna do while in class (pass notes, gossip, talk to the teacher, etc)

[rough basalt]

The desire for the classes to actually matter was enough for third party to be made and sold about it after all.

[visual dew]

our dm just had us fight a demogorgon at level 6 and im fuming

[open dawn]

What

[reef tundra]

I will assume this is the stranger things pack and not the actual dnd demogorogon…

Otherwise I would be very concerned

[visual dew]

no a regular one

[scenic zinc]

Even if it was, my first assumption is there's a reason other than "lol it'll be hilarious to kill the party"

[reef tundra]

The regular demogorgon?! The CR 26 demon prince, strongest of them all?!

[visual dew]

we got him to 1 hp too😭

litterlly 1

[reef tundra]

You got THE demogorgon to 1 HP at level 6?! 😭

[visual dew]

then we missed a magic missle

[reef tundra]

… what

That’s not possible. Magic missile cannot miss

[visual dew]

with alot of luck and alot of death svaes

[visual dew]

he got a nat 20 on dex

[glass granite]

Not how that works

[reef tundra]

The only thing that can stop magic missile is the shield spell and brooch of shielding

[reef tundra]

Magic missile isn’t a saving throw, it just does damage

[scenic zinc]

Sounds like a rather crazy amount of homebrew

[jolly canyon]

Fought a Cr 26 boss at lvl 6. Somehow manged to get it to 1 hp. Missed a magic missile

Im confused

[reef tundra]

I was just about to say the same thing

[stuck shuttle]

Damn your DM isn’t following the rules and is putting you guys into effectively unwinnable fights 😭

[visual dew]

also death saves for thsi battle dont leave u knocked out u just got back up cuz yk were level 6

[glass granite]

Heh

[reef tundra]

So you’re telling me, your DM had you face the mightiest of all the demon princes at level 6, and you got it to one HP… and then the DM rolled a dex save for magic missile 😭

[severe rampart]

With a lot of wrong rules and a lot of fudging*

[jolly canyon]

The dm didn't run the monster correctly

[severe rampart]

The nap I took was too short.

[jolly canyon]

1000%

[visual dew]

nah we convinced him to let us do taht

[scenic zinc]

Yeah just sounds like your dm was playing youtube dnd where none of the rules or mechanics matter

[open dawn]

Seems legit

[visual dew]

cuz were level 6

[severe rampart]

How did you even find Demogorgon

[reef tundra]

I am honestly so confused

[stuck shuttle]

Has your DM considered… using the rules and giving a CR appropriate boss? lol

[severe rampart]

I just woke up, I'm going back to bed

[visual dew]

the people playing are first timers so im guessing no one knew the magic missile thing

[severe rampart]

... You... didn't read the spell?

[reef tundra]

Sleep, we will deal with this

[stuck shuttle]

Even more reason to follow the rules tbh

[scenic zinc]

They're either trolling, joking, lying, or just not actually playing dnd

[visual dew]

im not the one who has it

[fast rivet]

it was my first time dm'ing and i only used the demogorgan tentacles he's makes me sound bad i promise

[visual dew]

never used it im a druid

[fast rivet]

also i lied to him about the magic missile missing i js didnt want to die

[jolly canyon]

The person who casted it didn't read what it says and the dm didn't relay it back and decided. Dex save why not lol

[severe rampart]

I doubt I'll be able to, I'll close my eyes and pretend like I'm sleeping, though

[rough basalt]

Alright yall won I canceled the one shot.

[visual dew]

see what we have to deal with😭

[open dawn]

It’s actually been shown that doing that can help a bit

[rough basalt]

Not that I'll go to sleep tho

[reef tundra]

Okay okay okay, everyone wait

[jolly canyon]

Go sleeps!

[severe rampart]

... what

[rough basalt]

I don't want to ruin my sleep schedule.

And I haven't ate anything today.

[fast rivet]

i wouldve survived anyway if i did con save

[severe rampart]

Don't run the thing if you're not gonna commit to the bit😭

[scenic zinc]

Huzzah you've now ruined your credibility with anything you do at your table

[reef tundra]

It was their first time DMing, I’m sure we can afford a little bit of leniency. Let’s all just calmly and politely give advice and feedback

[severe rampart]

Also a party of level 6 adventurers can't even get Demogorgon to 1 hp

[severe rampart]

Fineee

[fast rivet]

i didnt use the gazes

[reef tundra]

Doesn’t excuse most of the actions, but we should just do it calmly

[visual dew]

see how goated the party is we almost killed a demo at level 6 so dm had to cheat us🥲

[scenic zinc]

Suggestion 1: don't lie

[rough basalt]

Suggestion 2: learn the rules

[fast rivet]

u used 7 death saves and after every successful one u didnt get unconcious

[severe rampart]

Hm... what I would've done if I was in your scenario...

1. Don't lie to your party, fudging dice is bad as well
2. Use CR appropriate creatures
3. Don't make up unfair rulings
4. Read the spells

[visual dew]

hey u let it happen lol

[severe rampart]

That's probably all

[rough basalt]

7 death saves? That's more than you can actually make in one iteration.

[fast rivet]

we were ahving fun

ion dm

[reef tundra]

You have broken your players’ trust, having lied to them in order to not lose a fight that you shouldn’t have been able to lose anyway. But it’s alright, that can be improved on next time

[stuck shuttle]

If a creature is making death saves they’re unconscious by default until they recover hit points or roll a nat 20 (which also recovers a hit point

[fast rivet]

its not that deep i've known this dude for 3 years irl :sob

[visual dew]

i just kept dying turn after turn cuz he was focusing me

[glass granite]

Tbf, saying you almost killed a demogorgon when they 1) weren’t using one of their main abilities and 2) you had extreme homebrew rules feels a bit misleading

[severe rampart]

What about your other players?

[visual dew]

same thing

[fast rivet]

1 dude i never met and the other dude same case, 3 years

[jolly canyon]

Sounds like a group of friends just kinda messing around with a vaguely dnd game not a serious group playing actual dnd.

[glass granite]

What I’m getting is, y’all were practically immortal

[reef tundra]

My advice for next time would be to run the game close to the rules until you know them well enough to homebrew and start making mechanics

[fast rivet]

idk why they on me rn

"broke your players trust....."

[severe rampart]

Wait... LMAO, so you're telling me... a party of three level 6 adventurers managed to get Demogorgon to 1 hp?

[fast rivet]

"Lost your credibility.."

[rough basalt]

Cause this is a server for "serious" dnd.

[visual dew]

yeah we ran this oen shot cuz the friends in the actual campaign didnt all show up

[rough basalt]

So we take giving advice and statements seriously.

[knotty vine]

24 frames

[visual dew]

im the dm usually im just trying out a druid built

[jolly canyon]

No. A group of friends played a pseudo dnd game and just had a fun night doing whatever nonsense sounded fun in the moment.

[reef tundra]

My apologies, we did not know the full context. All we saw was that someone came in here saying that they were frustrated about a session, and then revealing several DMing mistakes

[fast rivet]

maybe

[visual dew]

SOMEHOW

[severe rampart]

I mean, I guess, sure, if they're having fun

[visual dew]

we were using a good amount of home brew stuff

[jolly canyon]

If it was an actual dnd game the party would've died on the spot and the dm would go on someone's horror story

[rough basalt]

Just not a good idea to come here and say stuff like that without a sign it's a joke or not serious.

[severe rampart]

It does feel disingenous to say that, though, just saying^

[reef tundra]

If they are having fun, then I have no issue. I and others only took it seriously because for all we knew, someone just had an awful session and was venting about it here

[paper portal]

Tbh I feel like some idiot optimizers could absolutely beat the demogorgon at level 6 but yeah

[tropic seal]

Well I’m sure that we all know, that 50% of DnD sessions or games are people goofing off and having fun. There’s fun in serious games and goofy ones

[paper portal]

Morning amity :3

[reef tundra]

Morning

[severe rampart]

oh yeah, me and my party of three defeated Demogorgon at level 6 isn't really a bragging right if you leave out the fact that you used a lot of homebrew and Demogorgon wasn't being played correctly

[fast rivet]

can level 6 druids normally do 88 damage average

[visual dew]

we were playing motavtional songs for literlly every attack just for it to do half the damage lol

[rough basalt]

Not really.

[open dawn]

I just got back, looks like I skipped a few chapters…

[glass granite]

Generally no

[severe rampart]

Hm, good point

[rough basalt]

With max damage overall? Probably just enough.

[jolly canyon]

Corai and Yitsuki are clearly just being silly. No one did anything wrong. We had the wrong impression but it wasn't our fault and they didn't expect this response since they might not be used to this type of server that takes stuff seriously

[visual dew]

yeah no i just summoned a bunch of lions and they were never getting hit so it was just spamming

[fast rivet]

ily goat

[jolly canyon]

Actually true. I stay away from #optimization for that reason. We don't play the same dnd

[reef tundra]

Indeed. It wasn’t our fault, as we were told that someone was feeling frustrated about a session

[visual dew]

plus my attacks added ontop of the lions

[reef tundra]

I find optimising in any game feels like my soul is being sucked out of my body

[knotty vine]

demogorgon isn’t all that strong in game ngl

[rough basalt]

Yeah this server is built around the assumption the game is being played somewhat how it's supposed to be played so when people say outlandish stuff in that way we assume it's a bad thing.

[open dawn]

Vibes first, stats later

[severe rampart]

That's why Charisma is the best stat, best of both worlds

[reef tundra]

We also perceived these homebrew changes as negative because we were explicitly told that the player was feeling frustrated

[knotty vine]

Especially since it’s supposed to be the like final boss of the abyss and wgat not

[glass granite]

I wonder when my next session will be…

[visual dew]

shouldve phrased that diffrently i was saying fumming in a joking matter

[open dawn]

I think it’s also most people here have experienced less than stellar games

[severe rampart]

Ohh yeah, lots of em

[rough basalt]

"TV DnD" just isn't the normal discussed here either.

[severe rampart]

Content farm dnd

[paper portal]

Yeah I was looking at its statblock rn just kinda going "is that it"

[jolly canyon]

Yee not your fault. It's hard to determine sarcasm and tone form a single text. It happens. Miscommunication

[knotty vine]

Demogorogon is kinda up there with hyped up in lore and not that strong in practice

[glass granite]

Agreed. Text indicators (/j, /s, etc.) do help thankfully

[visual dew]

this is why emojis and stickers matter lol

[reef tundra]

Just looked it up now. CR 26 and multiattack is only two attacks that deal 3d12?! 😭

[open dawn]

Or just a lil “lol” at the end

[jolly canyon]

Oh??? Lmaoo

[knotty vine]

Yeah it’s pretty weak

[severe rampart]

Feels weird to say /s when actually talking seriously lmao

[jolly canyon]

OK well nevermind then

[knotty vine]

A level 20 monk by itself could possibly beat a demogorgon

[jolly canyon]

Maybe a party of 6 can actually beat it legit

[paper portal]

Yeah idk if there's a way to shut down his gaze cus he has truesight but if you can he just turns into another melee brick

[severe rampart]

Party of three level 6 adventurers*

[reef tundra]

It still should have been enough to defeat a level 6 party though

[glass granite]

They had 3 people I think

[knotty vine]

And it’s “gazes” the saving throws are decent yeah but it’s pretty easy to bypass those

[jolly canyon]

Oh. Context context

[open dawn]

Oh I thought that meant sarcasm

[woven flint]

A? You mean THE Demogorgon? As far as I'm aware there's only one of him

[glass granite]

It does

[severe rampart]

Wait it does?

[knotty vine]

True sight doesn’t mean its immune to blinded

[paper portal]

Yeah that's why I said optimizers could probably beat him at level 6

[glass granite]

/s is satire or sarcastic

[severe rampart]

I thought it meant "serious"

[severe rampart]

What... no...

[paper portal]

True but it makes him much harder to blind

[woven flint]

Are we talking the Demon Lord?

[knotty vine]

It has advantage on saving throws to blind

[jolly canyon]

Dude stop I'm trying to be serious here /j

[visual dew]

we had a paladin but they left before the fight and we had a warlock that got obliterated early on

[paper portal]

Yeah

[open dawn]

Oh no….

[severe rampart]

Say you swear right now Nugget😭

[reef tundra]

Why did stranger things have to name it the demogorgon… /gen (genuine)

[paper portal]

Cus stranger things is very very loosely based off dnd idk

[woven flint]

Yeah, I don't know why you're referring to Demogorgon as an "A" as if there's multiple of him 😭

[jolly canyon]

It's a good name for a creature tbh

[rough basalt]

Cause it was the bbeg of the kids dnd game when season 1 began

[knotty vine]

I keep thinking of the demo forgot monster

[reef tundra]

But the thing doesn’t even look or act like demogorgon

[open dawn]

Plus the characters are the one who names it and they play dnd

[knotty vine]

The demogorgon

[woven flint]

I mean. His two heads are different individuals, but they're one being smh

[paper portal]

I haven't even watched the show ngl

[rough basalt]

They were just naming monsters off of whatever monster they were facing in their dnd game at thetime.

[knotty vine]

That monster

Anyway demogorgon is easy to beat

[rough basalt]

Just to give it a name they understood.

[woven flint]

But, yeah, I Feel Demogorgon should be Asmodeus levels scary.. but he's just not

[jolly canyon]

This flower faced creature that comes from the other side... we shall call it... bandit captain

[woven flint]

Sadly

[reef tundra]

Well, I can’t argue with that

[rough basalt]

Tho the writers started forgetting about what they were writing about in the back half of the show.

[glass granite]

You swear right now Nugget

[visual dew]

so mostly the wralock took a big chunk out of its health and we chipped it down then warlock got destroyed and i left my transformation and then it was a 2v1

[knotty vine]

It’s stat block is from a horrible book is why

[reef tundra]

Indeed. Thank goodness I never have him show up so there’s an illusion of him being powerful

[open dawn]

Fair, to be fair with everything going on around it coming up with a name would be the least of my concerns too

[severe rampart]

Forgot the emoji.

[glass granite]

I can’t say an emoji

[knotty vine]

Aka the abyss book

[glass granite]

Also glad to see the King of Goofy is back

[rough basalt]

Ye made by Green Ronin.
The 3 time bad book kings

[woven flint]

Demogorgon is an interesting individual, but his statblock just doesn't make him seem so

[reef tundra]

Out of the Abyss? Aww man I was considering getting it :(

[rough basalt]

OotA, PotA and SCAG

[knotty vine]

Don’t.

[rough basalt]

The Dead Three of dnd books

[knotty vine]

REAL

[reef tundra]

Princes of the Apocalypse too?! I was considering that one as well 😭

[rough basalt]

It's very badly formatted

[knotty vine]

Very

[rough basalt]

Green Ronin didn't know how to properly format books

[woven flint]

The Demon Lords kinda look like Bums compared to the Archdevils, admittedly
(Statblock-wise)

[reef tundra]

Okay okay, someone just give me a good published adventure. Not curse of strahd

[knotty vine]

Only reason I bought prices of app for the weird cat things

[rough basalt]

Quests from the Infinite Staircase

[knotty vine]

Honestly yeah

[woven flint]

Icewindale

[rough basalt]

It's all 70s era adventures only with updated statblocks so there wasn't any room for WotC to screw up

[reef tundra]

Caught my interest with that one, I like Auril

[severe rampart]

I played in a campaign like that, on hiatus, unfortunately

[knotty vine]

I still think it’s funny that RAW you can have an abyssal chicken as a familiar

[reef tundra]

Hmmm, I saw that at my bookshop, I’ll take a browse

[rough basalt]

Icewind Dale is one of the few regular campaign books that's actually good.

[glass granite]

I wonder how fried abyssal chicken would taste

[knotty vine]

Probably awful

[severe rampart]

... Curse of Brad

[open dawn]

I don’t have anything, I’ve actually never played a premade campaign

[woven flint]

Lore-Wise, the Demons are a Multiversal levels threat as a species and their infinite numbers, but their top dog isn't even CR 30? smh

[reef tundra]

Die /j

[scenic zinc]

I mean, it's very a specific condition under which you can

[knotty vine]

Considering everything in hell taste like prime stone

[rough basalt]

Starting to wonder whether I really want the Ravenloft Ultimate Bundle or not.

[open dawn]

That sounds like you are trying to escape a bad date

[scenic zinc]

That's 5e for ya

[knotty vine]

Not even that it’s literally in the DiA book

[severe rampart]

That is... actually the plot of Curse of Strahd

[reef tundra]

That’s what I use to explain why devils can hold their own against the infinite demons, because they’re stronger

[rough basalt]

Idk if I wanna spend my entire birthday savings for something I'll need to wait a month for.

[knotty vine]

With DM permission your familiar can appear as an abyssal chicken

[woven flint]

Bring back Obox-Ob or Miska
Demogorgon is the bum lord!

[scenic zinc]

Yeah... and it's still a conditional

[knotty vine]

Demogorgon is like Cr 21ish imo

[reef tundra]

Speaking of DiA, would anyone recommend that? Is it as good as the hype says?

[knotty vine]

3d12+9 isn’t that much damage for a higher level party

[scenic zinc]

Just like most other modules, it's a good enough skeleton to work off of

[woven flint]

Realistically, the reason for it should actually be because Demons aren't as organized as Devils, which is Realistically how they stand against infinite numbers

[reef tundra]

A friend of mine made a homebrew demogorgon stat block, and I am afraid of it. But now that I’ve seen the actual stat block, it stands out even more

[knotty vine]

I mean the blood war has been going on for super long so they are organized enough

[woven flint]

They'll just straight up kill each other sometimes just to get a rival out of the way

[reef tundra]

Both. Both is good

Strength and tactics to beat pure infinite savagery

[open dawn]

Demons hate each other and can’t get it together devils also hate each other but they have it their lives more together

[knotty vine]

The blood war is never ending

[knotty vine]

The enemy of my enemy is my friend?

[open dawn]

That’s a really good way to put it

[reef tundra]

I ended it in my campaign setting :(
I got tired

[woven flint]

Thats because Demons want everything dead besides their individual selves

[open dawn]

Or a useful pawn until proven otherwise

[knotty vine]

I love that way of thinking

[scenic zinc]

Not all demons

[reef tundra]

In my defence I think I made a very good (ish) explanation on how it ended

And I didn’t pick a winner because that would have been even more controversial than ending it

[woven flint]

Ehhh, a good majority.
I know it's not all of them, but it's a big number

[knotty vine]

Granted the blood war can never end unless one or other pushes the war into its home plane

[woven flint]

Graz'zt probably doesnt do shit because if mortals weren't around his existence would be less fun

[knotty vine]

Aka kill the demons in the abyss or kill the devils in hell

Us mortals are lucky/unlucky cause it’s kind of a gamble what happens to our soul when we die

[scenic zinc]

The blood war isn't going to end solely due to Asmodeus using it as leverage to get mount celestia to not interfere with the hells

[reef tundra]

Classic Azzy

[knotty vine]

Asmodues backstory is so cool

[reef tundra]

I am so happy I brought him back in my setting

[knotty vine]

An angel that was corrupted by hell

[reef tundra]

I was mad to have killed him off

[woven flint]

I like the origin story of the Tanar'ri? (Is that his you sodll it? 🤔)

[reef tundra]

-# I am not taking questions

[knotty vine]

On Asmodues’s stat block I don’t think you can officially kill him

[woven flint]

You're supposed to be the Demon Glazer, Tasha!

[open dawn]

Killing devils is also a lil convoluted if I remember correctly

[knotty vine]

Cause it just says “he regenerates something something days later”

[scenic zinc]

Kinda like vecna

[open dawn]

So it wrong and they just respawn

[knotty vine]

Fiend* glazer

Demons are cool too

[woven flint]

And even Demogorgon doesn't get this!

[scenic zinc]

Asmodeus is a deity as well as an archdevil

[open dawn]

What if you put him in a jar of holy water?

[knotty vine]

Graz’zt being my ex and all

[scenic zinc]

So you can't actually kill him

[woven flint]

You kill that clown in the abyss, Demogorgon is just dead lol

[knotty vine]

True

Demogorgon dies in hell stays dead

Granted he is only a “lord”

Not a actual god

[reef tundra]

I had a lore reason on why he couldn’t come back, but I have since changed it because I love him too much

[woven flint]

Well, by technicality. Demon Princes are on deity status, they're just not Gods.

[knotty vine]

I found it If Asmodeus dies, his body regenerates, returning to life 13 (2d12) days later.

[woven flint]

Archdevils, Archfey and Demon Lords are all deity status beings, just not considered Gods

[knotty vine]

Nothing can stop it either

[open dawn]

With enough creativity anything is possible

[knotty vine]

I don’t think demon lords are on deity timing

[scenic zinc]

deity is god.

[lavish flame]

these are synonyms

[scenic zinc]

You may be thinking of power

Not status

[woven flint]

Yes, that's what I meant, Deity powered beings, not status.

[knotty vine]

Asmodues is an arch devil but he is also a greater god

[woven flint]

Yes, he's a true god

[odd valley]

like they’re on the power level of gods but they are not gods

[reef tundra]

Indeed. And with the power of wanting my setting’s main villain to be powerful :(

[knotty vine]

I think he’s the only greater god stat block in 5e as well

Well officially anyway

[woven flint]

I'd be terrified what Demogorgon would actually do if he achieved deity status and became a God

I kinda wanna do a campaign based on the idea one day

[reef tundra]

They boil down to the same use to me, demon lords, archdevils, gods. It’s just “big name behind thing and/or person in the campaign”
I’m not complaining it’s fun

[knotty vine]

I thought demon lords will self named

[reef tundra]

I once had an idea of what would happen if he split into two, so each head was granted a separate body. Good lord it would be madness

[open dawn]

Person who causes problems and/or fixes them fun times

[woven flint]

They are, but they're also the most powerful beings in the abyss

[reef tundra]

Indeed, I love it

[knotty vine]

Vecna the arch lich

Surprising that there hasn’t been any other “arch liches”

[open dawn]

Like a worm

[knotty vine]

I feel like assrak was pretty close

[woven flint]

They also all have their own domains

[woven flint]

Assrak? 😭

[reef tundra]

My wife talking about my husband. Funny /lh

[knotty vine]

You know exactly who I’m talking about

[woven flint]

Acererak.

[knotty vine]

Yes

[scenic zinc]

I mean, vecna is basically the god of liches

So it makes sense

[knotty vine]

Yeah that makes sense

[woven flint]

There are also many Lich Gods too!

[reef tundra]

Vecna keeps offering me to become a Lich too but I just don’t feel like it

[knotty vine]

None as powerful as Vecna

[woven flint]

Velsharoon (?)
And
Kilanstree
Are two examples

[knotty vine]

You should become an archfey instead

[reef tundra]

I’m fine as an elemental

[reef tundra]

Hmm, tempting

I’ll be both

[knotty vine]

Steal a few names and what not

[woven flint]

Personally. My creature type is
Goober

[knotty vine]

I’m a fey

[reef tundra]

Monstrosity

[reef tundra]

And it’s perfect

[woven flint]

Nah, I'm far too humane to be a monstrosity

[scenic zinc]

SpongeBob goofy goober song plays in background

[reef tundra]

Aberration

[woven flint]

Thats my theme song

[glass granite]

What creature type would I be…

[woven flint]

Nope, just Goober.
Maybe a little fey..
Maybe a little fiend as well

[reef tundra]

That reminds me. Today I found out the strongest aberration in the 5.5e MM is… the Githyanki Dracomancer. I can’t help but be disappointed by that

[knotty vine]

I was a humanoid at one point

[knotty vine]

Seriously?

I thought it would have been like the beholder or soemthing

[reef tundra]

Yes. I can take another look

[hard nest]

That’s actually really disappointing

[reef tundra]

I wish. Githyanki Dracomancer is CR 16

[woven flint]

Yeah, Beholders and Aboleths are pretty underwhelming honestly

[knotty vine]

Bruh

[scenic zinc]

A Nugget, obviously

[reef tundra]

Glad to see I’m not the only one

Hopefully they remedy this very soon

[knotty vine]

The gith is 1 cr highwr

[glass granite]

Can’t refute that.

[reef tundra]

Here’s to hoping Cthulhu is an aberration in the new book, taking the crown as strongest aberration

[knotty vine]

Granted CR is more accurate in 2024 so

[scenic zinc]

Beholders are amazing if you use them intelligently

[knotty vine]

Oh yeah Cthulhu stat block is kinda crazy

[woven flint]

I mean on the scale of power

[knotty vine]

I wish psonics was its own thing in dnd rather then it just being another type of spell casting

[scenic zinc]

One beholder shut down a party of 6 and nearly tpk'd them

They're all casters lol

[knotty vine]

Anti magic does that to you

[woven flint]

That sounds like a party composition skill issue

[scenic zinc]

It was pretty funny

[knotty vine]

I love 5.5e ngl

But I will miss conjure animals spam

[woven flint]

I think Aboleths being Cr 10 is incredibly sad

[knotty vine]

I mean there ment to be fought in water which makes it decently harder

[woven flint]

True....
But still :[

[lavish flame]

Fighting in water is actually insane for making a fight harder

[woven flint]

I wish Aboleths were Kraken Levels!!!! RAGHHH

[lavish flame]

I revently had a submerged Hydra fight and it was mostly tough because water makes fighting impossible

[knotty vine]

I mean not everyone has a swim speed or can breathe in water

Not to mention fire spells are kinda not worthless but less effective unless you have elemental adapt

Ranged attacks are also pretty rough

[lavish flame]

I wish Lightning had some special effect in water

[woven flint]

I suppose Eldritch Restoration makes Aboleths a bit more terrifying
You just.. can't get rid of them permanently

[reef tundra]

Lack of aberration titan hurts me

[knotty vine]

I wish more spells had specific conditions that made them stronger

[reef tundra]

-# Astral Dreadnaught SCREAMS aberration but noooo >:(

[knotty vine]

ie that one lightning spell

Call lightning

[eager marsh]

Sure you can. Nightwalker.

[empty thicket]

bolt? arrow? or which level it is?

[knotty vine]

Call lightning adds a d10 if it’s stormy outside already

[woven flint]

I mean yeah..
But good luck getting one to cooperate with you lol

[knotty vine]

I want more effects like that

[eager marsh]

Necromancer wizard capstone. They don't get a save.

[empty thicket]

Oh i see it, look nice that lil thingy

[woven flint]

Thats 2014, friend
In 2024 they're probably not gonna have that 😔

Arcana Unleashed drops when now?
I'm kinda excited

[empty thicket]

such like "earthquake get 1 more dice of damage if inside a cave"?

[eager marsh]

legally 2014 necromancer is the 2024 necromancer. also true Poly still works

[knotty vine]

Kinda yeah

[woven flint]

I'm gonna rephrase this.

There's no SIMPLE way to get rid of an Aboleth forever. (At the level you fight them)

[empty thicket]

the thing is finding ways to make it work mostly but yeah, would be something nice

[knotty vine]

Is true poly still perm unless dispel in 24?

[eager marsh]

fair. It's never easy. still mildly mad about the direction 2024 necromancer is going

[knotty vine]

I hate nercomancer doing?

[woven flint]

Ah,yes! Exploding zombies! What everyone wants!!! Yippie!!!

[eager marsh]

Corpse Bomb was a spell in 3.5 they could have just made that spell again

[woven flint]

Truly.

[eager marsh]

I dont want my capstone to just be 'you want your pets to die'

[primal forum]

is critical role campaign 4 using 2014 or 2024?

[eager marsh]

my pets dying dont even heal themselves like in 3.5

[woven flint]

Yeah, thats just irritating

[knotty vine]

Sorry I meant what is nercomancer doing in 24?

[reef tundra]

Dead :(

[eager marsh]

The lv 14 capstone is that your controlled undead explode in a small radius for necrotic damage when they're reduced to 0

[reef tundra]

For now

[eager marsh]

I greatly dislike it

[reef tundra]

That’s the capstone?!

[eager marsh]

There's a feature to heal your undead when you cast necromancy spells too but like...most necromancy spells are garbage to cast in combat and using Magic Initiate for Inflict Wounds is bad because they decided to make inflict wounds a bad spell in 2024

[woven flint]

Should be a lower level feature if they want to do that

[eager marsh]

you can also swap your find familiar to a skeleton or zombie but it's still just a familiar that cant attack and legally it doesnt get any of your thralls bonuses

[knotty vine]

Imma look this up

[eager marsh]

so it's just a familiar thats infinitely worse because you lose all the regular familiar advantages

[empty thicket]

in a way, it show how the class can just get more units and discard them.
In another its a no no because you can lose some strong unit that you could just get up again

[knotty vine]

I mean you can pair it with that one Eldritch adept (pact of the chain)

[eager marsh]

5e necromancy doesnt have 'strong unit' and is very heavily forcing you to play low value high quantity to benefit

[eager marsh]

the pact that can already choose skeleton familiar?

[knotty vine]

Yeah it’s a little silly

But now your zombie can attack I guess

[eager marsh]

it would be redundant/do nothing

yea. by using my action

[empty thicket]

Oh... a beastmaster dilema again?

[knotty vine]

That’s about it

[empty thicket]

Beast master get a beast but the beast eat his actions

i think tasha kinda fixed it if im not wrong

[eager marsh]

No Beastmaster is fine. Find Familiar was never meant to be a combat pet it's a spell not a real class feature and tyhats why pact of chain is bad after tier 1

[knotty vine]

True

[woven flint]

Also, taking Warlock levels for buffing your Wizard skeleton familiar is also just... less effective than leveling complete Wizard

[eager marsh]

it isnt even buffing it. it's making it still bad

[knotty vine]

I never said it was good I said it was an option

[eager marsh]

the only thing you gained was wasting your action for an attack worse than just casting true strike

[woven flint]

There's one spell that leaked that turns your familiar into a combat familiar I believe.
It was on promotional material

[eager marsh]

for what?

[woven flint]

Arcana Unleashed

[eager marsh]

is that teh next book?

[odd valley]

beast master is unironically broken

[rough basalt]

The book Necromancer is in yeah

[eager marsh]

Not at all

[minor cargo]

Oh, I haven't heard of that.

You might say, I'm unfamiliar with that spell.

[knotty vine]

I wish pact of the chain worked with flock familiars

[odd valley]

give beast master tech and its nuts

[woven flint]

Yeah, hold on, I'll see if I can find it

[eager marsh]

tech...?

[odd valley]

yes, 2014 beastmaster has tech

[empty thicket]

ISnt what im mentioning.
Beastmaster before had a whole action economy problem, got a lil fix and its good

[eager marsh]

It certainly doesnt have gamebreaking tech i promise you the minmaxers have tried

[empty thicket]

any minion based class get it, you either make it burn your bonus action or suffer.

[odd valley]

it certainly does, the minmaxxers have succeeded, though it isn’t god exit levels

[knotty vine]

Yeah but it’s also Ranger so meh

[eager marsh]

there isnt anything the beastmaster can do with their pet that a find familar already couldnt if you're abusing magic items. let alone animated dead

[scenic zinc]

Good. No class should.

[woven flint]

Its something you have to zoom in really close for in the image, but the combat familiar spell is a second level spell called "Battle Familiar"

[empty thicket]

yeh but that is a song that we are going to sing in other moment

[odd valley]

giving your party mates more action economy.

[scenic zinc]

All classes shouldn't be able to break the mechanics of the game.

[eager marsh]

Beastmaster doesnt give other players more actions

[knotty vine]

Ah five six seven eight

[woven flint]

..
67?

[empty thicket]

if one can then everybody should in some way

[woven flint]

I'm sorry, I'll stop 😭

[knotty vine]

It’s new to me that it’s news to you

[scenic zinc]

No.

[empty thicket]

Then why leave one being the special one?

or more than one, 3

[scenic zinc]

You don't put out a fire by putting gasoline on it

Fix the issue. Don't make more issues.

[empty thicket]

If everybody is a super, then nobody it is.

[delicate owl]

What an interesting convo 🍿

[odd valley]

it does if you mark them as your companion

[empty thicket]

i choose the red lightsaber

[knotty vine]

What does this do exactly

[eager marsh]

you cannot make other party members your beast pet

[scenic zinc]

That's not how any of this works

[empty thicket]

Then we leave one being the superman of our universe

or we make them all being supers?

[odd valley]

no, nothing will happen cuz everyone will god exit the game

[knotty vine]

We did a 2024 level 20 game and I felt pretty strong

[scenic zinc]

What? No. I'm suggesting fixing it so no class can 'break' the game.

[empty thicket]

then nobody is a super, good

[rough basalt]

I'm starting to get a bit cold feet on pre-ordering the ravenloft ultimate bundle

[delicate owl]

It's so interesting hearing optimizer only terms 🤔 God exit I presume is becoming so powerful the dm just makes you a new god and you lose your character.

[delicate owl]

Why is that Sora?

[lavish flame]

thats also not true though? theres a world between "game-breaking" and "super-powered"

[knotty vine]

Me existing is game breaking

[rough basalt]

Cause it'll be my only "birthday purchase" and idk if I wanna wait a month for said birthday purchase.

[empty thicket]

Lets see if that super powered can against the 400 baboons of doom

[rough basalt]

I'd like some immediate thing.

[empty thicket]

Few win against hte baboons

and if it doesnt work, 100 gorillas vs 1 strahd

[paper portal]

More specifically anything that gives you infinite power (within a finite amount of time) stuff like infinite wishes and complete invulnerability

[scenic zinc]

Literally every species that can fly wins that one

[odd valley]

gives them more movement speed, increased ac, and they could take their turn if you use your bonus action iirc

[eager marsh]

That's not a valid choice

[empty thicket]

damn, 200 baboons and 200 eagles

[odd valley]

wings, you know this better than i do you figured it out

[knotty vine]

Unless your thing is one size larger then you it cannot be used as a mount

[errant crag]

I wish for a thousand peasants standing in a straight line

I really want my spear to be dropped on the ground 5000ft away in that direction

[paper portal]

Yeah but I know it's gonna end in another stupid rules argument so I'm choosing not to engage cus I'm tired and lazy

[woven flint]

1 Illithid vs my Will to live

Who wins?

[odd valley]

yeah fair

anyways it technically works even if you say it doesn’t

[eager marsh]

You'll be made to want to live. You won't have a choice anymore

[paper portal]

It is definitely some of the more dubious tech out there

But like RAW everything checks out

[errant crag]

If you don't want to live your life the illithids will do it for you

[eager marsh]

no it doesnt

[knotty vine]

I was turned into a mindflayer

[errant crag]

Did you like it

[empty thicket]

so you now eat minds?

[errant crag]

Is it worth trying

[empty thicket]

Minds and brains

[paper portal]

See this insistence that it doesn't work despite not even hearing how it works is why I refuse to engage in discussion about it with you

[errant crag]

What doesn't work?

I just got here enlighten me on this

[odd valley]

petparty

[knotty vine]

It hurt a lot

[delicate owl]

Let's see.

I assume it involves polymorphing an ally into an applicable beast, bonding with them for an hour and then they turn back, effectively being your companion?

[odd valley]

or wildshape

[paper portal]

Stupid beastmaster tech that gives you increasingly more turns the more members of your party take it

[paper portal]

Wildshape is better cus polymorph erases your class features and stops you from being able to use it on yourself

[knotty vine]

You don’t change creature type when you wild shape

Your still a humanoid

[eager marsh]

Nobody has explained how they force a party member to meet the requirements so there was never a discussion. Only now that you've chosen to be beligerent are people making explanations.

[delicate owl]

Ah so 2014 tech only, and only if the dm allows you and views you, being no longer a beast, still being affected by all of the buffs that say "the beast" and whatnot.

Understood!

[knotty vine]

Or whatever creature you once were

[odd valley]

you were the one insistent that no one could break it, when in fact it could be broken

[paper portal]

Yeah this is using old beastmaster the tasha's version is like fine though

[paper portal]

Yeah I've seen the way he is about RAW stuff lol don't bother

[knotty vine]

aka wildshape doesn’t change your creature type

[eager marsh]

I dont consider it broken. This requires already being level 17 to even do with a true polymorph as regular polymorph wont last long enough

[odd valley]

it still works through polymorph, but yeah i see your point

[eager marsh]

polymorph doesnt last the 8 hours you need

[woven flint]

Damnit!

[delicate owl]

It is an interesting idea, one that no dm outside of AL (unless there are already bans for it in AL) would ever use.

I suppose it is nice for "what if" thoughts though.

[woven flint]

I'm excited because tonight is hopefully Firbolg Bard night
I'll be playing my Shy boy hunk 🔥

[knotty vine]

I don’t thing either last for 8 hours

[delicate owl]

And ill be that guy! Who does that thing!

[eager marsh]

True Poly does. If you make it permanent by holding concentration

[paper portal]

"Your game statistics are replaced by the statistics of the beast"
"A monster's statistics, sometimes referred to as its stat block, provide the essential information that you need to run the monster."

[knotty vine]

That’s a 9th level spell

[eager marsh]

Yes I know. Thats why i said they'd need lv 17

[errant crag]

And a druid would need to be level 16 for wild shape to last long enough for them to be magically bound and either way once they un-wildshape they're no longer a CR 1/4th beast and thus are not your companion anymore as they no longer meet the requirements.

[woven flint]

The guy who does the inventing

[knotty vine]

At that point it’s not even worth it

[paper portal]

Wild shape gives you the whole statblock (except for the stuff it specifies) which includes cr and creature type

[knotty vine]

Never mind it doesn’t work for a different reason aka time

Since it takes 8 hours to form a bond

[paper portal]

It's a really janky feature cus monsters and players work by fundamentally different rules

[delicate owl]

So 2014 Druid and 2014 Ranger haha

[eager marsh]

there is an argument that no rule in 5e makes abilities continuously check for creature type. If you use Hold Person on a humanoid, and they fail teh save, and change creature types after, they dont suddenly become immune

[knotty vine]

Only if there level 17

[paper portal]

Might still work with 5.5 druid idk but yeah you need the old beastmaster for it anyways

[eager marsh]

So technically you only need the target to be a beast of that low cr for the 8 hours to be targetted

[delicate owl]

New one makes you keep your creature type

[knotty vine]

5.5 Druid keeps there creature type

[errant crag]

Regardless it wouldn't work at my table either way because of the precedent of trying to abuse wording for "tech" being something I don't want at my table

[paper portal]

Which you can do by being in wild shape when you level up (which is very questionable) or just spamming short rests (which does need downtime)

[knotty vine]

The tech doesn’t work at all ngl

[paper portal]

Oh yeah absolutely I wouldn't allow it either lol it's so broken

[odd valley]

its why its real questionable at best

[knotty vine]

It has to be 8 hours a Druid can only stay in wild shape for like I think 4ish

[paper portal]

That's why you spam short rests

[jolly canyon]

Classic #optimization talk in MY Christian #dnd-discussion /j

[knotty vine]

You can’t spam short rest

[woven flint]

My favorite Tech is those little skateboards (IYKYK)

[odd valley]

yup

[paper portal]

Tbh that's not even the questionable part lol

[eager marsh]

You could hypothetically chain activations to do it at a lower level but this deeply mandates the DM to agree to it and something this reliant on DM discretion I feel doesn't quality as 'tech' because most practical tables just wont even permit it

[jolly canyon]

Onto the dndcord bingo card it goes

[knotty vine]

How does Ranger bond even work

[woven flint]

Mentioning the Bingo Card goes on the Bingo Card too

[paper portal]

This isn't any more reliant on DM discretion apart from needing some downtime to activate? wdym

[jolly canyon]

Free space?

[paper portal]

Everything is down to dm discretion cus they can choose to not allow it atp

[woven flint]

Any space

[jolly canyon]

We take those

[knotty vine]

Raw it doesn’t work

[paper portal]

According to ?

[woven flint]

"I disallow you to rage."

Boo-Womp

[scenic zinc]

This is how I feel 90% of the time in here.

[odd valley]

yeah sorry about that it’s basically my fault

[paper portal]

There's barely any optimization talk here what

[knotty vine]

If the beast dies, you can obtain another one by spending 8 hours magically bonding with another beast that isn’t hostile to you, either the same type of beast as before or a different one.

[scenic zinc]

You're joking right?

[knotty vine]

Firstly your first beast has to die

[woven flint]

You know what
In my game
No Raging, No Focus Points, No Sneak Attack, No Channel Divinities, no Sorcery points, No Spell Slots

You get to SUFFER

[paper portal]

Yeah I know I read the feature

[jolly canyon]

It happens alot doesn't it. Been here for 2 months and it happened maybe 3 months worth

[errant crag]

This conversation feels like some crap that Pack Tactics would make a video about acting like it's completely RAW legal

[scenic zinc]

That's the only way many people interact with this game for some reason

[paper portal]

Not if you bond with a player as soon as you level up but if you're going for the 8 hours yeah

[eager marsh]

I more meant the DM agreeing to let you do this at all when it so clearly goes against the intent of the features in play. myself and every DM I know would say 'no that doesn't work what are you doing?'

[knotty vine]

What does that even mean

[paper portal]

Well it is RAW legal but it's a pure hypothetical that I would never want anyone to actually use

[errant crag]

No it's not

[paper portal]

That's literally what tech is lol

[knotty vine]

What does level up even do

It’s literally not raw since it has to stay a beast for 8 hour

[eager marsh]

He does have a tendency to push some arguments as if you can bring them to a dm like a lawyer. like the oversized weapons video

[knotty vine]

Your Druid can’t just spam long rest

[paper portal]

Not when you first level up

[paper portal]

I said short rests

[errant crag]

Or his Revivify doing nothing video

[knotty vine]

Same thing

[odd valley]

basically when you go from 2-3

[errant crag]

You can short rest twice per long rest

[knotty vine]

You can’t pick a Druid as a beast

[odd valley]

if the druids in wildshape, it gets the beast typing while retaining its humanoid type

[woven flint]

Officer, arrest every D&DTuber except Dungeon Dad

[scenic zinc]

Choose a beast that is no larger than Medium and that has a challenge rating of 1/4 or lower.

Player characters:

A) aren't beasts and,
B) do not have challenge ratings

[eager marsh]

That's a way you can define it sure. Not how I define it, but a way you can describe it. I would use 'tech' to describe specific interactions that work/make things more effective without any gray areas of practicality

[paper portal]

Oversized are peak

[odd valley]

that’s the argument from what i understand

[knotty vine]

True

[paper portal]

They do in wild shape, it gives you all the statistics of the beast which does include both creature type and cr

[eager marsh]

I do wosh oversized weapons were actually a player facing rule openly because I strongly dislike the way 5e handles sizes and how enlarge only gets you a flat 1d4 to everything

[scenic zinc]

They do not gain a cr when wildshaped.

[errant crag]

One of my players quoted Pack Tactics the other day and my heart low-key sunk in my chest

[scenic zinc]

You're entirely wrong.

[woven flint]

Actually, if never says you take on the creatures CR.

[knotty vine]

Oh yeah that’s true

[woven flint]

You still have character levels.

[eager marsh]

CR is part of a stat block, which falls under 'statistics'

[paper portal]

It says you take on its statistics which includes cr

[odd valley]

it says you take the entire stat block, and you retain certain things

[eager marsh]

CR is even referenced as part of the limit for polymorph, true polymorph, and shapechange

[rough basalt]

Yeah I think I'm not gonna get ravenloft

[woven flint]

Hmm, well played.

You're all smelly and I hate you! /joking

[paper portal]

Yeah wild shape is stupidly defined so it gives you everything with some exceptions instead of only giving you physical stats and actions or whatever

[odd valley]

what did something new come out about it today

[jolly canyon]

Budgeting I think sora said

[knotty vine]

Budgeting

[paper portal]

Long story short D&D has a lot of bad wording thats fun to break in a hypothetical but should never make it to an actual table

[rough basalt]

No, it's just I want something for my actual birthday and not a month away.
And the map posters will need an additional like 100 dollar tube to store them in.

[odd valley]

OH ok

[errant crag]

I don't see the point in even arguing this, no DM worth your time is going to allow this to work and Jackalope themself has said they don't seriously think this should be allowed despite their insistence on fighting tooth and nail for it.

This is like arguing that Revivify does nothing because it targets a creature and corpses aren't creatures, or arguing that daggers and Shortswords can't break Nets because they do piercing damage.

[woven flint]

Pick a card! Any card!
(I took the Cartomancy Feat, one of these cards has a fireball in it.)

[knotty vine]

shorts swords can break nets through

[rough basalt]

Tho I might end up getting it anyway and just stomaching the month long wait.

[odd valley]

yeah your dms not gonna let you do this unless they say, yeah have at the pet party

[delicate owl]

Now this is a true statement

[delicate owl]

Do iitt, the anticipation will be funn

Also, happy bday?

[errant crag]

In 2024 yes but in 2014 nets needed to take slashing damage to break

[paper portal]

Well revivify doing nothing is true but yeah that's another example of the RAW being something obviously stupid you should ignore (in fact said beast master tech ignores it cus you have to use revivify for a part of it lol)

[knotty vine]

Only if you use the AC HP rule

[rough basalt]

It's on the 12th

[errant crag]

This guy is just a Pack Tactics viewer

I'm done engaging

[rough basalt]

I just usually like having something immediate to feel good about.

[jolly canyon]

I actually don't know what the conversation is about. I just know words like cr, polymorph and druid. I don't know the intention of it is.

[knotty vine]

Pack tact is really annoying

[paper portal]

Eh I watch his stuff sometimes but I just don't find him very interesting to listen to tbh

[delicate owl]

Oh so it'd be out like what, 21 days after you preordered it?

[errant crag]

He genuinely does so much damage to the game and it's community istg

Actual slop content

[rough basalt]

I think for early access but I don't pay for ddb

[knotty vine]

Old Dhampiers can fly with heavy armor

[paper portal]

He makes optimization content he's not one of those shorts idiots that tries to murder hobo with mage hand

[lyric viper]

Note that optimisation is for the #optimization channel

[crystal star]

This is no place for sensible discussion. Its just people having fun slinging words together (and theres nothing wrong with that)

[knotty vine]

You only get preordered content like.. 2 weeks earlier

[lyric viper]

This is not the channel for optimisation chat.

[rough basalt]

The response was 21 days from my birthday which would be in the EA period I think.

[knotty vine]

Might get it myself ngl

[jolly canyon]

True disciple wide concept incredulous

[paper portal]

Technically you can use wild shape to make yourself eligible for the old beastmaster's companion which is very broken

[crystal star]

Thats the spirit!

[errant crag]

It's not optimization content it's "Erm Ackshually ☝️🤓 " engagement bait. It is slop. Low effort slop that he squats out when he needs to pay the bills.

[paper portal]

Most of what he makes is towards optimization with the rare mention of some random tech lol

Like 90% of his videos are guides for builds and stuff

[errant crag]

D&D isn't a video game your DM isn't some braindead AI that you can manipulate with techn

[knotty vine]

Imma just stick with conjure animals spam

[paper portal]

Yeah we know

It's still fun to talk about

[knotty vine]

300 horses trample this man

[paper portal]

Conjure animals is goated

[errant crag]

I don't believe that you know because you are bullishly insisting that this stuff works and is allowed

[scenic zinc]

-# Optimization content is what's ruining this game /hot_take

[paper portal]

I literally said you shouldn't allow it but ok lol

[woven flint]

Amen. Say it louder

[errant crag]

Then why are you going on and on about it arguing with people about it?

[bright dock]

Mr. Ping Challenge Completed!

[paper portal]

This game was first and foremost a dungeon crawler optimization is where it came from

[knotty vine]

He’s dead

[odd valley]

on the spot

[paper portal]

Cus not being allowed doesn't make it not true

[odd valley]

he’s just… gone

[jolly canyon]

Woah.

[errant crag]

"I'm not saying it should work I'm just arguing tooth and nail why it works"

[woven flint]

Ballistic Terasque were sent to his location

[errant crag]

You literally are arguing that it works

[paper portal]

It's a "haha look at this funny rules mistake" not "you should somehow abuse revivify not working at every table you play at"

[knotty vine]

There’s a lot of “hey if you squint your eyes at this bit of funky text in dnd it super funny that way it works” in 2014

[jolly canyon]

I think my comment got collateral damaged that or it broke a rule that I misread or don't understand.

[bright dock]

Mr. Ping Challenge Completed Part 2!!

[knotty vine]

Another

[crystal star]

Nobody actually believes this, right? Its what runs chatrooms like this, sure, but >90 of people playing actual dnd would rather chew glass than ruminate on "balance" in their imagination dice game

[paper portal]

There's probably a lot in 5.5 too tbh but none of the weird sweaty nerds that do rules shenanigans moved on to 5.5

[knotty vine]

5.5e isn’t as bad as 5e

[woven flint]

Sounds like you're the one encouraging it seeing as how you automatically posted that 🤔

[knotty vine]

A lot of stuff got over hauled

[odd valley]

that’s what i’m thinking

[paper portal]

Yeah it definitely has some tech but I don't think as much

[knotty vine]

Not even some

[scenic zinc]

The dnd of 52 years ago isn't the dnd of today.

I am not now, nor will I ever be, an individual that will be convinced by an "originalist" argument.

[knotty vine]

Techs are just gone

[lean wigeon]

1e fixes this by having very limited player options

[paper portal]

Berserker tech exists in 5.5 but that's the only one I know

[bright dock]

Im just took psionics feat

[odd valley]

this is also true at the same time

[paper portal]

Wish tech probably does cus I doubt they changed the wording

[knotty vine]

Wish definitely got its wording changed

Also the OG wish was broken because Simi

[paper portal]

Lemme go read it real quick

[errant crag]

Server is getting raided

[knotty vine]

What is going on today

[crystal star]

Oops have a tone indicator my bad or its just gone okay that works

[bright dock]

My psionics tell me more are coming.. .

[odd valley]

insanity it appears

[knotty vine]

What’s going on in the D&D beyond server!

[paper portal]

Okay they did fix wish a little but it's also still a bit broken

[odd valley]

yeah he’s definitely responsible mods

[knotty vine]

How

[woven flint]

Who the hell raids a D&D server?

[jolly canyon]

I should be doing work but this conversation is too interesting while simultaneously going right over my head most of the time

[knotty vine]

That’s a good question

[scenic zinc]

No idea what you're actually saying here

[errant crag]

You have to be a loser to raid any server

[paper portal]

Oh wait actually yeah now it's requirements to cast the spell instead of requirements in the spell they did fix it huh

[delicate owl]

Not even a good raider lol

[woven flint]

Path of unemployment barbarian behavior

[errant crag]

Yes optimization content is ruining D&D I do believe this

[knotty vine]

Again 5.5e fixes a lot of things wrong in 5e

[odd valley]

i feel like this fearmongering gets no one anywhere, anyways we probably should move on to a brand new topic

[lyric viper]

Stepping in here folk to say that you can give your opinions on playstyle preference, but do not call out fellow users or groups

[knotty vine]

I prefer summing 263 wolfs

[paper portal]

Optimization promotes understanding game mechanics and what you can do with them the issue is when you get new players that see that and decide its a good idea to try and "win" dnd

[empty thicket]

yep, thankfully

[jolly canyon]

I'm to new to have any opinions. Some one give me an opinion to have.

[rough basalt]

5.x can be pretty fun for optimized dungeon crawling, you just need to be a group with everything on board about it.

[fickle heart]

From a dispassionate observer, I think the issue with a lot of the discussions around interactions that seem unbelievable at first glance is that there's seemingly no regard for the concept of "burden of proof", so these seemingly outlandish claims don't include any of the information necessary to justify them. It ends up with a discussion where there's no ability for the subject to actually get engaged with in any meaningful capacity, so it's almost assured that they will create an argument.

[glass granite]

You now like donuts

[jolly canyon]

Lmfao.. You're not gonna believe what I'm eating rn

[errant crag]

You are literally sitting here arguing that broken tech works in the game knowing that it's broken and is annoying people

[paper portal]

Yeah having one fully optimized player in an otherwise unoptimized party is a bad idea lol it should definitely be something the whole table agrees to

[knotty vine]

I cast 8th level conjure animals

[glass granite]

Yooooo

[empty thicket]

i like to think each person have their own thing to "win"
Mine is doing lots of damage and surviving wild stuff

[rough basalt]

When someone shows up to say a table that plays like "expected" level of optimization with their variant human Hexsorcadin

[jolly canyon]

Friday is donut day

[keen kestrel]

You'd never guess what I'm eating

[rough basalt]

I do think that YT "optimizers" do more harm than good tho.

[odd valley]

let’s just say that it “tech”nically works but that rai you shouldn’t let it work and leave it there

[paper portal]

I said "it technically works rules as written but you shouldn't use it at your table" (which I have now specified numerous times so if you're going to continue not actually reading the messages I'm sending I'm just gonna stop engaging with you)

[errant crag]

We've been trying to but he keeps insisting again that it works

[odd valley]

he’s been saying that the entire time though???

[paper portal]

Oh yeah absolutely but that's not actual optimization that's just murder hoboing

[paper portal]

Average D&D chat interaction lol

[errant crag]

It doesn't matter, he could scream from the rooftops that it shouldn't be allowed in the game but as soon as he follows it with "but it is RAW and works though" then he completely undoes him saying that

[lyric viper]

Right, time to move on

[cosmic roost]

https://media-waterdeep.cursecdn.com/attachments/0/828/c2-16.png

[odd valley]

agreed

anyways what’s your thoughts on the new ravenloft module coming out soon

[woven flint]

Those Modron bastards!!!!

[odd valley]

i’ve heard sora’s

[woven flint]

I hate Modrons!

[errant crag]

Modron moment

[paper portal]

I like modrons :c

[keen kestrel]

I enjoy modrons

Tokkii is just a hater

[woven flint]

Clankers.

[errant crag]

I thought they were organic beings

[knotty vine]

I enjoy fiends

[woven flint]

Vitriolic Hatred for constructs!!!! /joking

[paper portal]

I'd rather friends than fiends personally but suit yourself

[turbid vessel]

I mean they're half fleshy, so we need a halfway between clanker and squishy
Squanky

[woven flint]

Squankers.

[knotty vine]

One fiend was my lover /enemy

[paper portal]

Based

[knotty vine]

Strange times

[odd valley]

sounds like a dance move

“HES HITTING THE SQUANKY OMG”

[woven flint]

I'm gonna disconnect the Router on Mechanus

[lyric viper]

Nope, Nu uh. I'm banning that word /j

[empty thicket]

im trying to romantize one, she is from the third layer of hell

[turbid vessel]

Pretty sure Orcus did that at one point

[errant crag]

I wish they didn't just plop Push and Topple onto so many weapons they're the most boring weapon masteries but are also the most common it feels.

[woven flint]

True...
I hope he does it again

[knotty vine]

Orcus is a silly fella

[delicate owl]

What's squanking in here?

[woven flint]

Pardon?

You're the squanker here, buddy

The stinker

[errant crag]

I don't use some of my favorite weapons anymore because their masteries are just so boring to me

[turbid vessel]

I dunno what you're talking about, me personally those are my two big go tos for my battle master I'm playing rn

[errant crag]

I can see push for battle master because it'll stack with other pushing things

[jolly canyon]

Can my war cleric get mastery pls. I want to push with my hammer

[woven flint]

Take the weapon master feat 🔥

[flint ledge]

Wouldn't call Mr lord of undeath a silly fella, also aren't you supposed to have beef with him Ms Tasha?

[woven flint]

He's so silly

[knotty vine]

Why would I?

[glass granite]

I think they don’t wanna give weapon masteries to full casters.
Always can get a feat tho! It’s just…generally not as effective as alternatives.

[delicate owl]

4 Push, 5 Topple, 7 Slow, 4 Nick, 8 vex, 6 sap

[turbid vessel]

Push mastery + push maneuver + charger feat. Fun times

[glass granite]

I was gonna say, I feel like I see more sap then push and topple. Didn’t realise vex was so plentiful tho.

[woven flint]

Me when I hit someone into space /silly

[glass granite]

I did this plus crusher and brutal strike with a barbarian!

[errant crag]

• an Enspelled Warhammer of Thunderous Smite

[paper portal]

Pretty much every light weapon is vex I thought

With a few being nick ofc

[errant crag]

Club is Slow (thank goodness too I love this for certain builds)

[paper portal]

Push is goated

[fickle heart]

I do think that the most common masteries are the most boring in the sense of actual game state changes they cause.

[paper portal]

I do think it's funny that they made heavy crossbows literally the same as ebarb

[delicate owl]

oh right

[broken imp]

lol fr

[paper portal]

Having said that I love ebarb so

[delicate owl]

2 Graze, 2 Cleave

[rough basalt]

I like masteries

[empty thicket]

Rappier and Dagger is a good combo?
Apply Vex and then dual wield attack with dagger with nick IN THEORY, it work like that?

[keen kestrel]

can't, rapier is not a light weapon

[rough basalt]

But if I want super exciting martials, I'd probably play 4e or Pathfinder.

[glass granite]

I misread rapier as short sword

[keen kestrel]

you can do shortsword and dagger though, that's very fun for rogues

[errant crag]

My Shifter Beast Barbarian used Slasher, Brutal Strike, and TWF with a Scimitar and Club, as well as his beast claws to attack 4 times with his action and reduce the enemy's speed by 35 ft

Was pretty cool

[glass granite]

I like short sword scimitar

[empty thicket]

Damn, so rapier wont let me, then must be scimmitar or short sword

[keen kestrel]

that's what I do on noble genie paladin

[empty thicket]

Funnily enough 3 range weapons are Vex tho

[glass granite]

Also fun fact you can benefit from Nick even when using a shield

[keen kestrel]

tbh, I love weapon masteries and wish they would tack them onto the random weapon subclasses too

Like the armorer

[glass granite]

Give Kensei mastery!

[empty thicket]

But i doubt i could go a Rappier // Pistol

[errant crag]

I hope the Gladiator UA subclass gets printed

That looks like so much fun with so much build potential

[rough basalt]

If it does it'll be the Dark Sun book.

[jolly canyon]

That dang mastery continues to confuse me

[errant crag]

Yup

[keen kestrel]

I'm like 90% they'll print the psion at least, so that'll be fun

[paper portal]

Not giving them to the full casters was kinda the whole point I thought but yeah it would be cool on arti

[errant crag]

That Apocalyptic Subclasses UA absolutely stank of Dark Sun and I look forward to it

[keen kestrel]

true, but there's very specific subclasses that are gish anyway, and I think it'd be fun for them to have access to 1 or 2

[glass granite]

Basically, the Light property lets you attack with another weapon with the light property if you have hit an enemy wth a light weapon as a bonus action. Nick moves that to your Action.

[rough basalt]

I want Dark Sun so bad.
If you can look past it's problematic inception, it's a pretty cool dark setting.

[flint ledge]

Bait and switch, new Faerun setting

[odd valley]

no!!!!!!!!

[glass granite]

Notably, it does not mention using another hand, just another weapon, and you can draw a weapon as part of an attack…
So you can just chuck a TON of light weapons

[keen kestrel]

It'd be cool if the arcane book coming out this fall had the psion in it, but they're more likely in some mind flayer esque book

[rough basalt]

If Psion gets printed it'll likely be in the dark sun book too

[keen kestrel]

Or that yeh

[rough basalt]

As Psionics and Dark Sun go together like Pancakes and Syrup

[keen kestrel]

At this point it feels like they're super likely to print it

Hopefully we get dark sun next year

[flint ledge]

Didn't they want to touch up psionics in the arcana unleashed book or am I misremembering

[errant crag]

I bought Tomb of Annihilation

Gotta run it some time

[rough basalt]

It's likely gonna be the last book this year

We're getting the "Season of Champions" to end the year and it's book will be revealed at Gencon in august

Given the current UA it's either Book of Vile Darkness or Dark Sun.

[keen kestrel]

I think I'd cry if it was Dark Sun

[rough basalt]

And Champions fits Dark Sun more.

[errant crag]

I hope the new ravenloft book has a buffed up Strahd stat block so that he's not a pushover when we get to the end of CoS

[rough basalt]

I foresee a "Season of Evil" for the first content next year

Which will be BoVD

[peak pecan]

Book of Vile Darkness would be wild

[broken imp]

lol for a normal party or a somwhat optimized party, or a very optimized party

[rough basalt]

I think it'd be smart from a business standpoint given the Villainous stuff they're making

And the feat chains to become death knight and lichs

[errant crag]

We're definitely not an optimized party

We got two rogues two bards a barb and a wizard

[keen kestrel]

Yeah, but if they do things on track like they have been, psion UA was like 6 months ago, so it'd make sense to be Dark Sun with the Psion in it

[broken imp]

oh lol

[rough basalt]

They announce Dark Sun at gencon, ill be preordering the top bundle as soon as preorders open

[errant crag]

If My bard dies though then my replacement Character is a cleric

So naturally we'll steamroll Strahd

[keen kestrel]

tbh, I want the psion because it fills that int void I've been feeling

[timber turtle]

Would DND be better on a planet with dinosaurs?

[viral kraken]

it has dinos already right?

[frail wasp]

doesn't forgotten realms already have dinosaurs?

[feral fulcrum]

Dinosaurs are very much a thing in multiple settings I'm fairly sure

[fossil hollow]

take a look at chult

[peak pecan]

Many settings already have dinosaurs; there’s a reason they’re in the Monster Manual

[timber turtle]

Do you think sauropods got struck be lightning because they were too tall?

[fossil hollow]

eberron has halflings who ride and tame dinosaurs