dnd-discussion

[rough basalt]

Sorc class features
1 2 3 20

[flint ledge]

I mean yeah, I guess a messed up main character... I'm sure that will never come back to bite you...

[dark basin]

Main villain energy.

[rough basalt]

Level 20 2014 Sorcs when they can short rest for 3 Sorc Points back

[woven flint]

Should've asked questions shot later type of energy

[rapid copper]

But, I conquered lots of wild magic seeping out of a mountain and put it into a staff making it almost an artifact (that was on my wizard that's now lvl 15)

[rough basalt]

Level 5 2024 Sorcs short resting for the same sorc point amount and scales as levels come.

[rapid copper]

It was back when that wizard was like level 4

[flint ledge]

Clearly you do interrogations by shooting first then shooting some more and then asking questions when everyone is dead

[rapid copper]

Now I see how wild that character was when I compare it to my other two

[rose sluice]

Can someone explain to me why the hell Fighting Style Feats in 2024 have no conceivable way of being granted to Barbarians or Rogues unless you dip once into Fighter?

I seriously don't get why it requires a Fighting Style Class Feat because and not just proficiency in at least 1 martial weapon. Taking the feat over an ability boost or general feat seems fair enough. Why do this? Is Fighting Initiate from Tasha's still legal? If not, how can I implore WotC to make a 2024 version of the feat?

[rapid copper]

Speak with dead is the goat

[woven flint]

My Wizard had 30 Intelligence :>

He was a Bladesinger

[rapid copper]

My wizard now has 20+1d4 spell save DC

[rough basalt]

Because they didn't get fighting styles

[woven flint]

Barbarian is a bit simpler because they don't really do "Training" so to say, they attack with wild abandon (at least, thats the reason I'd explain it class-wise)

[rapid copper]

And +15 mod to arcana rolls with adv for all runes

Purely focused on runes

[lavish flame]

cuz Rogues and Barbarians didn't get Fighting Styles in 5e

so they don't really get it in 5.5

[rough basalt]

Rogues and Barbs not really needing them either

[woven flint]

This is also true

[rough basalt]

Since Barb got the buffs it needed

[lavish flame]

admittedly I think all martials should get it

[rose sluice]

Yes, but they could in 2014 given Fighting Initiate

[lavish flame]

I mean Fighting Initiate didn't get reprinted

[rough basalt]

I think all martials getting one wouldn't really make too much sense.

[flint ledge]

Corpses are under no obligation to be truthful

[rapid copper]

I guess, tho living have none as well unless zone of truth or whatever it was called

[rough basalt]

And Barb gets masteries which do fit it.

[rose sluice]

Then why not let them simply take Fighting Style Feats when given the option between Feat or Ability Boost at levels 4, 8, & so on?

[woven flint]

Because it doesn't give an asi. like new feats do

I'd rather have an ASI over a fighting style tbh

[rough basalt]

Cause Barbs and Rogues aren't conventionally trained soldiers usually. They're generally brute force or sheer cunning.

[rapid copper]

I also counted how many pages my spell book has on my wizard and it's close to 2000pages rn if we count that cantrip is 1 page, 1st level is 2, 2nd is 2^2, 3rd is 2^3, etc.

[flint ledge]

At least you can threaten or intimidate the living

[woven flint]

that too

[rose sluice]

But you can take Origin Feats & they don't get boosts

[woven flint]

Yeah, but Origin feats are typically strong enough to warrant taking
Fighting Styles only do so much overall

[rough basalt]

Fighting Styles are really just a little extra oomf the classes that have them use to stay on the same level.

[flint ledge]

You should throw it out of a window at some point to absolutely BODY some poor random

[lavish flame]

Cuz Rogues and Barbarians don't get Fighting Styles. The fiction being represented is basically "Did you recieve formal training on how to fight?" For many Rogues, they didn't formally learn how to fight. They likely pieced it together while surviving urban chaos. For many Barbarians, they probably learned to survive fantasy wilderness.

[rough basalt]

Which is why Barb gets masteries still

[woven flint]

100% a class fantasy thing and they're strong enough without it usually

[rough basalt]

Cause you don't need formal training to bash someone so hard with sheer force with a big hammer to knock them back.

[rose sluice]

I'm not concerned lore-wise, I'm concerned build-wise

[woven flint]

Same reason Monks don't get fighting styles either \

[rapid copper]

You know best part? My wizard is like 4 ft tall as a high elf cause of wild magic stacked effect of getting shorter each time you roll for it (I wanted it to stack and be permanent cause more fun so DM agreed)

[woven flint]

Its just not needed balancing-wise and also, Monks are moreso the wapons themselves

[rough basalt]

Like classes that get fighting styles are classes that will almost always have some kind of conventional training background.

[severe rampart]

Imagine Rogues with a free fighting style...

[woven flint]

Most people would take Archery, TWF or Dueling tbh

[severe rampart]

Yeah that's what I was thinking

[rose sluice]

But then what about things like Two Weapon Fighting on Rogue for extra damage; given pure Rogues can theoretically only have up to 4 attacks with 3 being a part of the bonus action with Nick+Dual Wielder. That's more damage!

[woven flint]

They don't NEED it.

its not gonna make or break them

[severe rampart]

they don't need it, it would be nice, but it's not a need

[rough basalt]

They don't need it.

[lavish flame]

These two things are deeply intertwined though, the fiction informs the mechanics. Thats why its difficult for a Rogue or Barbarian to get Fighting Style Feats/Fighting Styles.

[severe rampart]

also like you can take "Dual Wielder" the feat

[molten glade]

When you want to notify a dm of interest in their post, do you ping them in the thread, dm them, or both

[reef tundra]

The game is focused on the fantasy of each class

[rough basalt]

Reminds me I've been cheating in Vecna all this time

[severe rampart]

should be said in the post, if not, DM them directly, and then say in the post you DM'ed them

[woven flint]

Rogues that struggle with Rogue damage output are either not really good team players or just roll very poorly sometimes.

[reef tundra]

What did you do with my husband /j

[rough basalt]

I've been adding my modifier to my nick attack cause of dnd beyond

[severe rampart]

Well, what feats do you have?

[rough basalt]

I'm a rogue so can't do it

[reef tundra]

You must perish for this sin

[woven flint]

Barbarians still slap hard too.
Give them magic weapons instead of giving fighting styles and they'll still be hunky-dory

[rough basalt]

But DDB won't let you turn it off.

So technically it's ddbs fault.

[empty thicket]

Fight 30 abysmal chickens

[rose sluice]

But the damage! You can do so much with those modifiers paired with Sneak Attack!

[severe rampart]

Isn't it like
Attack
Nick Attack
Dual Wielder Attack

[empty thicket]

if you kill them all you will be able to use their meat to feed the people and compensate your sins

[severe rampart]

... Dual Wielder feat.

[woven flint]

Its like.. 5 extra damage, dude. typically

[reef tundra]

It’s not really gonna do much

[rose sluice]

I am saying this modifier with Dual Wielder!

[woven flint]

Again..
Like..
5 extra damage.

its not BAD but its not world changing.

[reef tundra]

I’m pretty sure you can’t add a modifier to the duel wielder feat’s attack. I might be wrong though

[rose sluice]

Wouldn't Two Weapon Fighting Overwrite that?

[reef tundra]

IIRC two weapon fighting adds only to the light property attack

But I may be wrong

[severe rampart]

"You don’t add your ability modifier to the extra attack’s damage unless that modifier is negative."

[rose sluice]

Exactly! Hence why Shortsword + Scimatar is the combo best for this

[odd valley]

it can be the difference between the boss dying or smiting the cleric though

[woven flint]

If you're saying Rogues need extra damage, you haven't played a Rogue enough.

And If you're saying that for a Barbarian..
I can KINDA get it, but they've still got a fine damage output as well because Rage does a LOT of lifting

[severe rampart]

Two Weapon fighting states that "When you make an extra attack as a result of using a weapon that has the Light property, you can add your ability modifier to the damage of that attack if you aren’t already adding it to the damage."

[hot reef]

Rogues have pretty bad damage at higher levels unless they can get 2 sneak strikes per turn

They don’t scale with magic items/per-attack damage increases as well

[severe rampart]

I'd rule it as, with TWF you can add your ability mod to Dual Wielder

[woven flint]

Thats why you always pick Scion of the Three /half-joking

[severe rampart]

Someone's been playing Valor Bard too much /j

But yeah, Shortsword Scimitar is a good combo

[rose sluice]

Never touched funnily enough

[rough basalt]

Man I feel like I should probably die for all this cheating I've done over this campaign

[lavish flame]

I kinda wish Rogues just got Extra Attack eventually

[severe rampart]

Unfortunate, it is

[rough basalt]

Fortunate

[flint ledge]

Couldn't you just dual wield for the extra attack chance?

[woven flint]

I'm fine with Rogues how they are tbh

They're like, one of the best ability jockies and have decent killing capacity already

[rough basalt]

I think we're fine having Ranger exist.
You want extra attack you play Ranger.

[reef tundra]

I find that rogue damage is still fine in T3 and 4. I ran a T4 oneshot with a rogue and they just kept one-shotting everything. Although that was a while ago so I may need to do it again for a more accurate look

[severe rampart]

I rolled a 65 base total ability score fighter so I have 6 strength, my god my dex is carrying me

[lavish flame]

maybe Rogues get it at like 7 or 9 or something, but I just loathe only having 1 chance per turn to do ur cool thing.

[zinc marsh]

which character ?

[severe rampart]

what do you mean which character?

[reef tundra]

Idk, I also like the gameplay difference, it’s unique from all the other melee classes

[flint ledge]

I hope you don't track carrying weight for you

[hot reef]

How are they one shotting anything with 10d6 sneak attack?

[severe rampart]

Jonathan U. Man, Level 3 Fighter, Eldritch Knight with 6 strength and 16 dex

[rough basalt]

Yeah I think Classes are best when they're different.

[zinc marsh]

mb i meant which class

[severe rampart]

Fighter, Eldritch Knight

[lavish flame]

i don't want a Rogue to have to build a Dual Wielder character to still be able to consistently land their big cool thing

[zinc marsh]

eldritch knight? never heard of this one before

[severe rampart]

Do you mean Sneak Attack in general or the critical sneak attack?

[severe rampart]

Fighter that can cast spells

[zinc marsh]

dang

[reef tundra]

Idk they just kept doing more damage than the enemies had HP

[rough basalt]

And I think that if you wanna be a rogue with extra attack you should play rogue with extra attack (ranger)

[woven flint]

I get wanting more for a class,

Looks over at 2024 Druid Wildshapes
Trust me, I do.
But each class has weaknesses and strengths.
Rogues Strength is roleplay and exploration.
Their combat isn't THAT weak but it can be a bit of their weaker point.
that doesn't mean its a weak class or NEEDS a buff.

[severe rampart]

now that I'm looking at it, 1/3 of my spells are terrible, I have Absorb Elements and Shield, why did I pick Witch Bolt?

[rough basalt]

At that point, all martials should be a template

[reef tundra]

Doesn’t matter what it says on paper, the definitive fact is that in my t4 oneshot, the rogue was oneshotting most enemies

[woven flint]

Everyones got buffed already anyway

[flint ledge]

Are you like sponsored by Rangers or something

[rough basalt]

Nah I'm stating that giving rogue extra attack is basically just making Ranger without spells.

[lavish flame]

Sneak Attack in general. It sucks missing your 1 attack and going "alright, my big cool thing didn't work" for 20 levels of play.

[woven flint]

Do I think Cunning Strikes are stupid?
Kinda.
Do I think they open up interesting teamwork choices for Rogue?
Byeah.

[empty thicket]

it can reach numbers of damage really... dangerous...

[rough basalt]

Could just not miss your one attack.

[empty thicket]

more if you add all the things it can have and finally explode an enemy in one turn

[severe rampart]

it is possible, though kinda feels improbable

[lavish flame]

Riiiiiiight

[reef tundra]

I personally don’t mind it, and in terms of rolling, rolling the attack with advantage is the same as rolling for two attacks, the only difference is that if both miss you do no damage.

I can respect that you don’t like it, but it sounds like the combat style of rogue isn’t for you, instead of it being “wrong”

[odd valley]

you can’t just use “b’yeah” when there isn’t an indication in the sentence that you were gonna use a conjunction prior! /j

[severe rampart]

I kinda wish Assassin was better

[empty thicket]

the meme of "the rogue oneshoted a boss i was making for 1 month, he did 800 damage in one turn"

[hot reef]

With crits, a rogue can certainly take out squishier enemies in one hit, or low level minions with a non crit

But at level 20, a meteor swarm does 4 normal sneak attack die’s worth of damage as AOE
With how few people play 6-8 encounter days, rogue certainly can fall behind in damage later on (even in tiers 2-3)

[woven flint]

Steady Aim is also now a MAIN Rogue class feature, so you can give yourself advantage, you can still miss, sure, but at least its SOMETHING

[empty thicket]

same

[rough basalt]

Missing as a Rogue is more of a player issue.

[lavish flame]

this is a dice game

[reef tundra]

However, can a wizard use meteor swarm every turn like a rogue can use sneak attack every turn?

[rough basalt]

Ye and if you got the skill you won't be rolling 2 nat 1s.

[empty thicket]

i would like assassin have 1 more offensive feature related to sneak//weaken the enemy.
But its okey now in day

[odd valley]

this is presuming that the rogue can sneak attack in the first place

[woven flint]

I'll Byeah as I please, Mortal

[empty thicket]

(Even if one of the thing it does is add poison to its weapons, poison is not good.)

[severe rampart]

this is also why Halflings are goated

[reef tundra]

Like I said, your math on paper doesn’t matter, objectively, in my tier 4 oneshot, in a party with a warlock and cleric, the rogue oneshot most of the enemies in the oneshot

[hot reef]

For 1-2 turns, yes, during which the wizard will have much more damage output than the rogue

[severe rampart]

is... is that a pun?

[woven flint]

Whisper sweet nothings to your dice before rolling them, clearly you gotta flatter them, DUH

[severe rampart]

threaten your dice

[rough basalt]

Then your wizard is out of their top 2 best spell slors

And the rogue is still putting out more damage every round as your damage gets lesser and lesser

[hot reef]

Yeah wizard isn’t the best comparison (and meteor swarm probably isn’t the best use of a 9th level spell), but I didn’t feel like doing the math for fighter

[reef tundra]

Yes. But… my adventure was more than one combat encounter?

[odd valley]

execute one of the dice to give the others a view of what would happen if they didn’t roll good

[woven flint]

Put a Dice in the bad dice jar as a threat of exile to the other dice

[reef tundra]

And also the rogue still served a use in combat, even if not mathematically doing the same total amount of damage as a wizard. It was still very good

[rough basalt]

Like my abhorrent cheating by adding my offhand mod aside, I put out consistently the most damage in my Tuesday game.

[severe rampart]

lmao my dice know what's up, they didn't roll a single thing above a 15 until the end of a session, till this day I've never rolled them since. My dragon dice are the only ones I roll now

[empty thicket]

it can be 1 objective damage, useful against either "Elite" enemies you want to take down fast or just important targets

[severe rampart]

the urge to play Rogue...

[empty thicket]

isnt like a fighter, its still a soft class rogue but they can access to lot of stuff

[rough basalt]

I'm gonna miss rogue damage.

[empty thicket]

and lvl7 dodge, its a goated feature

[reef tundra]

I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again, I’ve been playing and running for over five years in all tiers of play, and every class is consistently useful. It doesn’t matter if they’re all not mathematically the same power wise, they all serve their uses and they do it very well. If a character is consistently doing badly because of their class, either the player or the DM is doing something wrong

[rough basalt]

Exactly

Skill issues are a large portion of the actual issues people blame on the system.

[reef tundra]

However, I am not saying the ceiling is the same among them. My games are not optimised, so I cannot say they all have the same power ceiling

[empty thicket]

Yep.
The only thing that rogue would not have is essentially survival through long combats

[rough basalt]

Like in my Tuesday game, we killed a Matron Mother before she had a turn cause my rogue went first, then Warlock got her bloodied and I teleported for a 2nd sneak attack.

[woven flint]

We JJK jumped her ass fr

[rough basalt]

Survival ain't much an issue either ime

[odd valley]

this logic could be flipped on your one shot too, along the lines of “i ran 1000 tier 4 one shots, same party composition, and of them all, the rogue one shot most enemies about once every 100 trials, so therefore your one shot doesn’t matter”

[reef tundra]

Same here

[rough basalt]

The DMs had to rely on the modules max HP drain to even put a dent in me. /j

[odd valley]

(though my argument also has a massive hole, that being “well it wasn’t my one shot so it doesn’t matter to me”)

[woven flint]

Sovis and Rowan are my favorite duo In combat out of all of the campaigns I'm in, seeing as how he's usually responsible for bloodying something and she finishes it, they're like a tag-team

[past blaze]

I do think a big missed opportunity for TCoE / 5.5e was a choice between "one big sneak attack" rogue and "a thousand cuts" style rogue

[odd valley]

((and then another one stems from how people will play different classes differently))

[odd valley]

(((so you can never truly accept that someone “properly played” a rogue or a cleric or a warlock)))

[hot reef]

(objectivity in one experience is subjective)

It’ll certainly vary from table to table. One of the things that makes other classes scale better is magic items. A fighter benefits ~4 times more from a flametongue than a rogue at t4.

[woven flint]

Want a 1000 cuts style rogue?
Play a Dex-Fighter /Half-Joking

[reef tundra]

If those are the results that your table has shown, then I can respect that. I only speak the truth as I see it, but of course other tables differ

[glass granite]

Or a monk

[woven flint]

Yeah, either or

[past blaze]

these jokes are the problem though

[rough basalt]

My puzzle as a DM is players don't use magic items.

[woven flint]

Shadow Monk for more of a Rogue feel

[silk hare]

there also just isnt a "proper" way to play them

[molten glade]

How viable is a stealth/transport focused rogue/wizard

[woven flint]

You'd be better doing that as a full wizard tbh

[silk hare]

a mathematical "optimal" way, sure, but in the story telling game there is no "proper" as long as everyone is having fun

[odd valley]

to an extent, yes

[glass granite]

I’d imagine it’d be quite dependent on the campaign

[rough basalt]

Players will have a holy avenger and still be using their 5gp Mace

[odd valley]

if someone makes a warlock with 8 charisma, that’s when i would be questioning it

[reef tundra]

The only thing that I am saying is objective is the fact that the rogue one-shot most enemies in the session. There is no way that it could be subjective. I admit that everything else I say is subjective, and will differ from other tables, but it is fact that in that session I played, the rogue one shot most of the enemies they faced

[rough basalt]

I've had these players before.

It's aggravating.

[silk hare]

you can play a melee cleric/ melee bladesinger wizard? is it "optimal" in terms of mathematical shenanigans? no, but it still is a proper way to play as long as you are having fun in the GAME that you are playing to have fun

[molten glade]

What, someone having their casting modifier be one of their lowest stats

[hot reef]

The damage features of both classes won’t line up great (maybe bladesinger). 2024, you could go a wood elf wizard for PWT

[rough basalt]

Yep

[silk hare]

it might not be the "proper way" you envision yourself to have fun, but its a valid way nontheless

[woven flint]

I feel a bit called out lmao
Orizontas with his magic weapon collection only using his favorite flail

[odd valley]

and that’s not what i’m talking about at all

[rough basalt]

The last straw was one player whose cleric had a 12 in Wisdom

[odd valley]

i agree that those are valid, am i gonna judge someone for that? not at all

[reef tundra]

But also if we’re talking viability and optimisation, I’d love to point to #optimization

[odd valley]

i wanna do that stuff too

yeah don’t

i just got out of there

(i say this like my whole nickname isn’t based around it lmao)

[rough basalt]

Indeed. The magic items are gonna start using themselves against orizontas's will.

[reef tundra]

No no apologies, that wasn’t pointed at you, I saw someone ask if something was “viable”

[hot reef]

If you’re asking about viability these channels can work fine
Optimization takes it further than just viability

[rough basalt]

They're gonna rise up from his hoard and revolt

[woven flint]

I don't visit there because It'd crush my hope for humanity more than it already is

[reef tundra]

Same here

[odd valley]

yeah and that’s not what i was talking about at all

[silk hare]

good call lol

[odd valley]

i don’t know why you jumped to that conclusion

[woven flint]

No shade towards the optimizers, a lot of them are good people, but you make me die inside /silly

[rough basalt]

But yeah troll players have made me adopt a rule that you can't make troll PCs anymore.

[glass granite]

I don’t because the amount of brain cells required exceeds my three poor brain munchkins

[reef tundra]

Discussing “viability” at all is a discussion of what is and isn’t an optimal choice, which is #optimization

[rough basalt]

If I see an 8 in con and dex with no armor on, you're out

Sorcerer with 8 in cha? Out

[glass granite]

The issue I find with that is “viability” there is far different than any other channel

[reef tundra]

I am just following what the mods have done in this channel in the past

[odd valley]

no please

[woven flint]

8 in con shouldn't be in the equation ever tbh

[flint ledge]

So I should have lower con!

[odd valley]

viability is a discussion of wether or not a wizard should have an 8 in intelligence

[rough basalt]

Wizards with 8 int? Gone.

[hot reef]

Generally the people in #optimization suggest optimized builds and not just alright builds
It’s better for newer players to go through potential ideas here than in that environment

[odd valley]

(which they should not)

[woven flint]

Even my sickly infested parasite warlock had like.. a +3 Con Modifier lol

[reef tundra]

Actually, you’re right.

[woven flint]

His Patron was a parasite that lived specifically in his brain

He spoke in two different voices depending on if it was him or his patron

He was also a Nothic Gentlemen

[reef tundra]

I suppose there is a difference between optimising the bare minimum to have fun, and optimising to have power. My apologies

[rough basalt]

I take pride nowadays in telling players
"Nah you will have a 16 or 17 in your main stat"

[flint ledge]

Yeah don't suggest playing a martial character there

[reef tundra]

I might do that just to annoy them

[woven flint]

His big ol' eye would glaze over when his patron spoke

[rough basalt]

A good few players collapse in the face of the DM who says they have to make a functioning PC.

[severe rampart]

I have a Dwarf Cleric in my phandelver game with 7 strength, 7 Dex, 7 Con, and 8 Int (3d6 in order for stats, you are allowed to exchange stats with other party members once rolled)

[flint ledge]

3d6 in order is evil

[rough basalt]

Rolled stats are a different story. I'm talking Point Buy

[severe rampart]

hey now, they wanted a hard game I'm giving them a hard game

[hot reef]

There are different levels to optimization and some are a bit higher than others from what I’ve seen there

[severe rampart]

the average con rolled was an 8.8

[reef tundra]

I respect that optimising is fun for some people, and it’s a valid way to play, but as soon as it gets to a point where they are discouraging choices that might end up as a new player’s favourite, then that’s when I take issue

[flint ledge]

Oh my god...

[odd valley]

now see, it will not work if you use just martial, you have to make them melee

[woven flint]

Just be more resilient smh.

[severe rampart]

Surprisingly, the Satyr Bard has 18 Charisma... but 5 Constitution

[rough basalt]

There's something about Point Buy and idk why but every now and then I get someone whose like "aight I'm making a wizard"

And here's their stat spread in order
17, 8, 8, 8, 15, 16

[woven flint]

Gods most wise-cracking soldier vs the Devil (The Common Cold)

[flint ledge]

They totally don't start at level 1 right... Righttt?

[hot reef]

It’s a gray area, because on one hand a few people going in there do want to power game
But it’s not always a great channel/place for casual players

[severe rampart]

It's Phandelver, they're gonna be TPK'ed by goblins

[rough basalt]

Hell yeah

[severe rampart]

Lmao 😭

[woven flint]

Mind Goblins, perhaps

[flint ledge]

That's a goblin tpk

[rough basalt]

I wanna do a hardcore module run

[severe rampart]

There's a Dwarf Cleric, elf wizard, Satyr Bard, Tiefling Fighter, and a Goliath Monk

[hot reef]

Phandelver but goblins use more than half their stat block

[woven flint]

My ass is about to be put through the Rime of the frost maiden

[severe rampart]

yup yup, exactly what I'm running

[woven flint]

worst part?
3 of the 5 party members are just... HUMANS ... eugh.

[severe rampart]

Gricko no!

[rough basalt]

Good.

[woven flint]

Worlds most evil grin, refer to my profile picture

[hot reef]

Illithids took over the Dhakaani Empire

[severe rampart]

I have two Monk Goliaths in my games

[rough basalt]

Humans, Elves, Dwarves and Tieflings are the only 4 playable species /j

[flint ledge]

What's with the human hate some people seem to have

[woven flint]

My ROTFM group is Triton (Me), Dwarf, Human, Human, Human.

[rough basalt]

Speaking of species that reminds me I'm making a new construct species for my upcoming game.

[odd valley]

it’s the generic species

[hot reef]

Big fan of the potential backstories of humans

[odd valley]

oh you’re a human fighter? hello john fighter.

[empty thicket]

humans are like giga generic, always a good option tho

[rough basalt]

They're gonna have multiple arms like thri-kreen

[empty thicket]

but generic, when there is lots of options avaible

[rough basalt]

But with a tortal AC like situation

[flint ledge]

Idk why I was immediately thinking of general grievous from SW 😭

[woven flint]

anyway :3

[rough basalt]

I got a lot of tabletop work to do

[woven flint]

General Clanker

[rough basalt]

I got a session tomorrow night

[empty thicket]

I am the kind of guy that enjoy simple things, a human fighter or wizard is good for me

[rough basalt]

Then I got a one shot friday

And I'm starting three campaigns in May

[woven flint]

I just want to play anything specifically not human, Closest I'll go to human-like are Dwarves and Elves

I love me a good Dwarf

[rough basalt]

I have so much work to do for my upcoming games and I'm not getting much of anything done.

[flint ledge]

How much time do you haon your hands? Like damn

[woven flint]

Had an Old Man Wizard Dwarf character of mine named Uregarth, he dreamed of seeing mount celest with his own eyes as a child and was full of whimsy

[glass granite]

I play a ton of humans. Human monks, human rangers…
Well, I play a ton of humans for a forever DM

[empty thicket]

if not i make it complicated or funny, like an aasimar warlock who is in fact the saved kid from a church couple who an angel give its help, turning that baby into an aasimar and someone who want to prove himself worth, without knowing his powers came from a different entity than his god

[rough basalt]

A lot but ADHD keeps me from being able to make the most of it.

[severe rampart]

Yum, Humans

[rough basalt]

But yeah I got a bunch of maps to make, dungeon maps to make.

[empty thicket]

Humans just work, that it is

[rough basalt]

Stories to write.

[severe rampart]

out of my 22 characters, 9 of them are humans

[rough basalt]

I got 16 days till one of the campaigns i run starts

[flint ledge]

I have exactly 2 campaigns I run and I can hardly get myself to do either

[limber trail]

I've played a handful of humans but the ones I do play seem to be doomed, the campaign falls apart immediately

[severe rampart]

probably actually more, I deleted some character sheets before I got the subscription

[rough basalt]

And 20 days till the other one.

[severe rampart]

there was also the human artificer, human ranger...

[rough basalt]

Tho tbf both of those are session 0s so technically 23 and 27 days.

[odd valley]

out of all of my characters i’ve ever done (likely around like 10-12) i think only 1 of them was human

[rough basalt]

But there's some caveats

[woven flint]

The only human I've ever played was in Call of Cthulu (different TTRPG) because it kinda doesn't make sense not to be one there lol

[rough basalt]

My new 5.5e campaign is using a horror anthology I wrote last year as a baseline

So I have a bunch of quests at the ready

As well as town names and some lore.

[limber trail]

play one just once, for the bit if anything

[woven flint]

Hell no.

I hate fleshies

[rough basalt]

I was gonna try CoC again yesterday

But I woke up with a crippling headache

And felt like crap the whole day

[woven flint]

Heh...

Sorry, I'll behave

[limber trail]

Careful or the menaces are gonna get you

[rough basalt]

Anyways. I've really overwhelmed myself

But after I have a breakdown as a result I'll be able to lock in for another 3 weeks and get it all done and ready to go.

[molten glade]

Same, though not to that degree
I'll play a human or similar if I have to for my character to fit, but I prefer more interesting looking races

Hell, the first idea I'm gonna do is a plasmoid

[flint ledge]

I think I want to play a goblin at some point

[odd valley]

my first character was a gnome wizard

second was a tiefling warlock

one of my most favorite characters ever was a kobold artificer

actually wait

[tropic nebula]

Hello

[glass granite]

Wahzzup

[tropic nebula]

How can I contact mods cus a guy I found in this server is blatantly racist

[glass granite]

#moderator-support

[humble cairn]

Use the report function on one of their comments in the server.

[glass granite]

That too, would probably be better

Got Apps and Alert Mods

[tropic nebula]

They were being racist in dms, we were just talking about dnd first and then I couldn't join their campaign for reasons. Then they lowk started disrespecting my country

What should I do in dms?

[glass granite]

I don't think they have jurisdiction to manage DM"s, but you can check #moderator-support just in case

I'd just block and move on

[feral fulcrum]

I think the most you can do is block them, and use Discord's less then useless generic report option.

[tropic nebula]

Ok sir

[hot gate]

Actually calling out users is against server rules, so please do the things suggested above

[humble cairn]

It's against the rules of the server to do named callouts, just fyi.

[tropic nebula]

Ok

I wasn't informed I apologise

[humble cairn]

Unfortunately the mods of this server can't do anything about stuff that happens in private messages. You can try reporting them to Discord and blocking them.

[tropic nebula]

Ok

[humble cairn]

I'm trying to figure out if "less than useless" means not quite useless or beyond useless.

[feral fulcrum]

Beyond useless

[humble cairn]

Ah okay thanks!

[tropic nebula]

Are any of you running a campaign i can join?

[silk hare]

#find-a-game

[feral fulcrum]

Can't report users directly, you can report profile, but the options are fairly useless, there's no option for adding context or extra details...like almost 80% sure all reporters don't even get human eyes on them. ANd if there is an actual way to report them more effectively, and ensure someone actually sees it, and does something about extremely rulebreaking behavior or botting...It's uknown to me.

[silk hare]

tbh reporting anyone anywhere nowadays usually doesnt have any result bc all of those systems are automated anyways, unless like u said its sth very grave

and even then its a gamble usually

[humble cairn]

I feel like the mods here, at least, do respond within a reasonable time to reports.

[silk hare]

oh yeah true that

but even then, its usually when theres certain key phrases that the bot probably recognizes too

[feral fulcrum]

Yeah but that's like, local. And doesn't stop scammers, bots, and Captain Turbo Racist from simply harrasing and poluting up other servers. It'd be nice to have a half-decent report function.

But Wishes, fishes, and all that.

[silk hare]

I mean discord is a small indie company, cant expect them to have actual user-friendly features yk /j

[empty thicket]

People is people at the end of the day

what matter is....what is what matter?

oh true, hoarding magic items

[jaunty crater]

Ahh, the true meaning of life

[flint ledge]

What are you, a dragon? Hoarding so many magic items

[jaunty crater]

Wait, are you the dragon that stole my wand of paralysis? C'mon man, I had to solve a murder for that.

[empty thicket]

Worse, a greedy human who love life quality magic items!!!

[molten glade]

Speaking of magic items, I could see a lot of utility with the alchemy jug

[empty thicket]

na, last time i used one i paralyzed myself, harsh time

[silk hare]

such as?

[molten glade]

Set it to beer so you have a nice beverage and an improvised fuel can

[empty thicket]

Alchemy jugs are nice, once per day free liquids can be used for a lot of stuff or just some roleplay

[silk hare]

fuel for what tho?

[molten glade]

Pouring on the ground and setting on fire

[silk hare]

wym "three different liquids" its only getting used for mayonnaise xD

[silk hare]

ah I see, yeah with oil or sth sure

[molten glade]

Or you could be boring and set it to water

Boring but practical

[silk hare]

could be depending on your dm

[jaunty crater]

Water is underrated. Getting jumped? Make the ground slippery. Jumping someone? Make the ground slippery. Interrigating an NPC? Pour water on them. So many options!

[empty thicket]

im a cook and i can confirm, i would use it only for mayo because would be safe all the time.

[hot gate]

As someone with a dwarf cleric of hanseath in the party, I've yet to see mayo

[silk hare]

yeah but the problem I have with that is that its fully up to the dms discretion

[tame kelp]

What is Oath of Noble Genies??

[silk hare]

maybe you should suggest it

alchemical jar? more like mayo jar

[tame kelp]

I cannot find this subclass in any dnd book da hell

[silk hare]

idk probably 3rd party or UA?

[hot gate]

It's from Heroes of Faerun iirc

so the most recently published player options book

[tame kelp]

UA is like DND but beta version?

[severe rampart]

playtest material

[hot gate]

yes, though noble genies has since moved out of UA into published material

[jaunty crater]

True. Honestly, if my only problem as a DM was my players using a magic item to it's fullest potential, I would be a happy camper.

[empty thicket]

What one would need to do for get a Bracer of Flying Daggers being a rogue and throw thousand of daggers to the enemies

[silk hare]

yeah, but then again, some mud would probably be difficult terrain imo, at least going off off other stuff

[silk hare]

up to the dm really, but either pay a lot of gold or do some elaborate quest lol

[empty thicket]

Who i would need to kill//poison//deceive//paint like a clown and leave in the central fountain surrounded by cheese?

[tame kelp]

wait really?

[silk hare]

oh interesting I thought it was still UA

but then again I dont have the newest book so

[silk hare]

all of the above for all your party members :)))

[hot gate]

Yup. Look for the book "Forgotten Realms: Heroes of Faerûn"

[empty thicket]

Kill the zealon barbarian
Poison the monk
Deceive the bard
Paint like a clown and leave in the central fountain surrounded by cheese the fighter

Got it

[silk hare]

no swap 1 and 2, gotta spend mat components to bring them back after then at least lmao

[empty thicket]

damn, okey okey, idk how to kill the monk....
He sleep with both eyes open and like a bat...hanging from the ceiling...he creep me out

[silk hare]

sickening radiance + wall of force

[reef tundra]

Yes, Oath of the Noble Genies is no longer UA and has been published in Forgotten Realms: Heroes of Faerun

[feral fulcrum]

I wonder if we'll ever get something like an Oath to one of the Elemental Lords, or a Villianous path tied to them.

[remote wadi]

That would be a Bard instrument

[shut relic]

Why dont fighters get the extra fighting style at level 3 and improved crit at level 7?

improved crit feels useless till level 5 when the extra attack is gained

[silk hare]

cos thats what WOTC decided fighters should be

or rather how Ig

[shut relic]

champions feel particularly weak at lvl 3 and 4 cause of it imo

[silk hare]

any martial can feel weak in comparison to other classes, + theres just some very bad balancing in certain aspects/ classes

especially when you compare them to different subclasses

[feral fulcrum]

They don't get it at level 3 because they try to avoid front-loading, to prevent multi-class shennagins, and from making level 3, which is where you get your subclass, a massive wall of text and features.

[silk hare]

just gotta roll with it/ talk it over with your dm to get over those shortages

[remote wadi]

Also, that would give Samurais a 19% crit chance for 4 attacks at level 7

[feral fulcrum]

The latter of which they sometimes muck-up

[remote wadi]

All advantage btw

[shut relic]

ik but champions by far feel the weakest subclass for fighters

[silk hare]

considering no magical items/ other buffs yeah

[shut relic]

do samurais stll exist in 2024 version?

[silk hare]

I mean yeah, theres always weaker options

[shut relic]

especially before getting the extra attack

the improved crit feels useless

[silk hare]

well yeah, but as asdx said above, otherwise youd enable a lot of other shenanigans +wall of text

[remote wadi]

Front loading is already a problem in DnD, with most of the best MCs being a level into Sorcerer or Warlock

[silk hare]

(wait until you find out about how little u can opimize about fighters compared to other classes, aka how "weak" they are in comparison)

[silk hare]

or cleric tbh

[shut relic]

imean ig tjhats a problem

[silk hare]

depends on the build, but thats sth for #optimization

[silk hare]

a big one, yeah

[shut relic]

its hard to optimise sure, but the fighter feels like the strongest martial class imo

[silk hare]

Monks would like to have a word, but fighters are decent yeah, especially certain subclasses

[shut relic]

I generally just write the name of the ability in the character sheet and if I forget the specifics I check it

[silk hare]

ofc depends on tier of campaign and such

[shut relic]

monks are also really good

[shut relic]

still from a balancing perspective would it be better in your opinion to give improved crit at 7

to make champion feel less underwhelming at level 3 and 4

[silk hare]

I mean tbh Im all for martials getting buffs, but that one at lvl 7 would be fine imo

but Im also not WOTC so

[shut relic]

I will prob ask my dm If we can make this house rule

champion just feels so useless at level 3 and 4

5 onwards that improve crit means something

[remote wadi]

I personally feel like Barb's Brutal Critical is underwhelming

[past blaze]

good thing it got overhauled in the reworks

[remote wadi]

Even with 3rd version giving 3 extra weapon die and Piercer, Pike crits only deal an average damage of 33 damage

At that same level, you can just Divine Smite 4 and just deal an average of 45 just from the smite alone

[terse willow]

Fellas, what do we think about mid combat forcing them into black jack, and if they bust they take a lot of damage and if they win they do a lot to the boss?

[reef tundra]

Lady here. I like it, but make sure the black Jack game is quick, you wouldn’t want it to break the flow of combat

Have it feel like a quick mini game to get some bonus damage on the boss

[terse willow]

Oh, for the boss it becomes the main gimmick for phase 2

Forcing 15 seconds to think than allowing your turn after

[hot gate]

Hmm, how about making it a contested skill check? Would be neat to also include any fitting proficiencies the pcs have.

[terse willow]

Maybe

[hot gate]

Gaming Set proficiency exists, after all, and hardly comes up

[terse willow]

Lowkey might do it

I’ll allow them to see top 2 cards and tell others, but only that player will have that and others with it

It is though only his main gimmick, he still has a bunch of side stuff to mess you up

[remote wadi]

My brain might not be braining. Not sure what you mean by lady here

Also, this just feels like High Roller subclass

[still plover]

Re: fellas.

Folks or gang or chat or "dear the hive mind..." could have worked instead.

[steel bane]

I got a funny idea

What if I multiclassed Druid and Artificer?

[still plover]

Why?

[glass granite]

Same question

What do you want out of the multiclass?

[reef tundra]

They said “fellas” and so I wanted to just flex my existence as a girl

[steel bane]

It’s a funny idea

Also I was just thinking about modern science in a medieval world

And also using the power of nature

[flint ledge]

I don't quite think artificers count under "modern science" within medieval settings

[steel bane]

Oh ok

It came when I was half asleep

[feral fulcrum]

Artificers are magitech, and don't even neccesarly need to use any kind of tech.

They're jsut crafty people who fiddle around with magic items

[steel bane]

What if they fiddle with it using nature

Ofc I don’t plan to use this

I’m just fooling around with character writing

[still plover]

Do a nature-themed artificer, certainly. The steel defender is made of bronzewood. The alchemist's potions are an obvious bit of applied herbology. Even the artillerist's cannon could be some kind of semi-mobile spitting plant, or a small creature.

[steel bane]

Oh nice idea

Also how many ac should a Druid have at level 1?

[remote wadi]

Ah. A flex indeed

[flint ledge]

Well they can wear medium armor so you can reasonably get to 17 AC

[steel bane]

I got 17 ac

And 20 wisdom
+1 from the ghostlike halfling trait

I felt super cool

[undone rain]

Whats a class yall think is extremely underrated. For me its druids and rangers

[severe rampart]

Ghostlike halfling trait?

[limber trail]

They get way more love these days but I’d still say monks are a little underrated for how fun they are

[severe rampart]

Now... would I be wrong if I said Bard... 'cause I feel like it's fairly popular

[hot gate]

I don't find any that much underrated, but I think people should try monk more.

[steel bane]

Yep

[limber trail]

What’s that? Can’t say I’ve heard of it

[severe rampart]

Is that third party, 2014, or 2024?

[undone rain]

Bards are popular lol

[steel bane]

The first one you find on google, so I guess 2014

[severe rampart]

Popular but underrated

[undone rain]

No😭

[hot gate]

They probably mean Ghostwise Halflings, from Sword Coast Adventurer's Guide

[severe rampart]

Oh it's from SCAG

[steel bane]

Oh yeah that one

I made my Druid mute too

[severe rampart]

I think most only know Bard because of the stereotypical jokes

[steel bane]

Don’t ask why

[undone rain]

I SHOULD try monk more

[steel bane]

It’s interesting

[severe rampart]

So you picked up CSL?

[undone rain]

Perhaps

[steel bane]

What

[severe rampart]

Common Sign Language

[steel bane]

Yeah

And I got the telepathy too

[severe rampart]

and the rest of your party know CSL?

[steel bane]

Probably not

[severe rampart]

ah, right, telepathy

[steel bane]

But she still knows common

[severe rampart]

well yeah you can't "Delete" common

[steel bane]

lol

[severe rampart]

common is... common

[steel bane]

Very common

[undone rain]

Dosent really everyone know common

[steel bane]

Yeah so I can just telepathy in common

[severe rampart]

Well, not everyone

[undone rain]

Impossible

[severe rampart]

Giants, Trolls, etc. Don't speak common I don't think

[hot gate]

Plenty of creatures don't per default, yeah

[severe rampart]

also the species that talk undercommon

[undone rain]

Is that what they speak in the underdark

[severe rampart]

Probably

[steel bane]

Welp time to tweak my character sheet a bit

[undone rain]

Idk ive never played drows lol

[severe rampart]

Drows are fun

I have So many characters that I will probably never get to play, sad

[steel bane]

I’m not using it yet cuz the campaign hasn’t started

[undone rain]

Okay yeah its spoken in the underdark lol

[severe rampart]

and one of them, I've spent a ton on commissions for 😔

[undone rain]

Thats so real

[severe rampart]

It's fine, I'm a player in one campaign and a DM in two campaigns

[undone rain]

I wish to play a changeling they seem awesome

[severe rampart]

I have my Paladin

[severe rampart]

They're the best

[undone rain]

One of us

[severe rampart]

Paladins are okay

[undone rain]

That counts your now a paladin main

[severe rampart]

I have made two paladins, as opposed to my many warlocks, sorcerers, and bards

Charisma casters are just the way to go

[undone rain]

Its perfect

[severe rampart]

I should make more warlocks, sorcerers, and bards

[obtuse aurora]

Wow

[undone rain]

Our changeling bard once turned to the lich king we killed lol, fooled everyone

[vapid night]

did the abjurer's bangle get taken off DnD Beyond?

[severe rampart]

What the hell

I'm playing a Changeling Bard with Lich feats

[undone rain]

Smth aint right here lol

[severe rampart]

I've talked about it from like months ago

[flint ledge]

Are ya playing the UA stuff

[severe rampart]

yup

[undone rain]

I loved my first paladin i miss him

[severe rampart]

Here is the proof, if needed

[undone rain]

Spotify about to turn into spotify premium

[severe rampart]

we love Lich Initiate

unfortunately that campaign is on hiatus... like my two other campaigns

[undone rain]

Sad, our groups also on hiatus

They got studies

[severe rampart]

I'm in a total of 6 campaigns, two I DM, the rest I'm a player in, three of them on hiatus so I gotta just be patient and hope it sorts itself out

[flint ledge]

A lot of campaigns on hiatus

[severe rampart]

that's why I'm just scraping the bottom of the barrel looking for oneshots

[vagrant notch]

Anyone know how to export your maps from dungeondraft

[severe rampart]

The one that's not on hiatus? Human Paladin Oath of the Ancients

[undone rain]

I never was quite fond of oneshots. I like me a story

[severe rampart]

the other campaigns it's Aasimar Cleric, Changeling Bard, and Human Sorlock

[flint ledge]

3 campaigns aren't enough for you? Glutton

[undone rain]

We love aasimars

[vapid night]

I thought these were on Beyond a month ago, but cant seem to find them now: Abjurer’s Bangle
Wondrous item, rarity varies

---

You can clasp or remove this metal bracelet around the wrist or ankle of yourself or a willing creature within your reach using an action. The bangle emits a ward of abjuration magic from it that has a number of hit points determined by its rarity. A creature wearing the bangle can use its reaction when it takes damage to speak the bangle’s command word, causing the magical ward to take the damage instead. Any excess damage carries over to the creature when the bangle’s ward is reduced to 0 hit points, at which point the bangle becomes a nonmagical bracelet.

| Rarity | Ward Hit Points |
—
| Uncommon | 30 |
| Rare | 75 |
| Very Rare | 120 |

[severe rampart]

I need campaigns where I'm a player

[undone rain]

Dms dont get such privileges

[severe rampart]

There is a higher power at work

One day I had 5 active campaigns, then at the exact same time four of my campaigns went on hiatus

[flint ledge]

Not particularly wrong usage though I suppose greedy is more fitting

[hot gate]

It seems like it's a Griffons Saddlebag item. Do you have that book?

[undone rain]

Hm strange

All at the same time

[severe rampart]

I just started DMing Phandelver and Below because I can't handle only having one campaign

[undone rain]

How, if i did that id die

[severe rampart]

then again, I did just effectively double my work

but who knows, maybe I'll be twice as efficient

[undone rain]

I think atleast idk ive never dmd

[vapid night]

I've got the first book, but not the second one yet.

[flint ledge]

That's so real. I should try and convince one of my players to DM

[hot gate]

Hmm, unfortunately I don't know in which one it was, but it would make sense for you to not see it if you haven't.

[hot gate]

This is why you DM the same campaign for two different groups at the same time

[undone rain]

Stuck as the forever dm eh?

[severe rampart]

Lmao, a second Curse of Strahd campaign

[hot gate]

Exactly what I'm doing right now

[severe rampart]

I could never, I need something fresh, something new

[hot gate]

no, I don't run paid games
I just run games for my friends

[severe rampart]

I need me some classic "you start in a tavern", delving in some dungeons and slaying some dragons

[hot gate]

I get that, but it's neat to only need to prepare something once. It usually goes better the second go around, feels like easy mode DMing.

[severe rampart]

Point taken, a good point actually

a bit nervous about Phandelver and Below

[hot gate]

It's a pretty straightforward campaign, you'll do fine

The spoiler DM thread can also help if you're stuck on something. #1149432386589823086

I've ran it

[flint ledge]

You mean to get into one or make one yourself?

[severe rampart]

Hm, probably a bit in improv, maybe voice?, and creating custom statblocks

there's a website called "Startplayinggames", I think that's where

[flint ledge]

Well I'd imagine the first few campaigns would be quite difficult because no one knows the quality of your games by that point

[flint ledge]

There's also a channel for paid games here unless I'm wrong

[severe rampart]

that's also correct, though it doesn't see much traffic

[forest turret]

Wondering if anyone had any insight: I'll be a first time dm running a campaign for members of the group I'm a player in. It's a body horror dark fantasy type story. I created a homebrew world for them with tons of lore and stuff for them to use for their character creation. But I'm really going to be running Curse of Strahd but I'll be changing all the names of the characters and places so they won't know we're in Boravia. Anyone have any thoughts about not telling the players NOT know we're gonna do Strahd?

[severe rampart]

uh. First off, you shouldn't start a campaign on a lie

The players are expecting your world and to just replace all names and locations with yours feels very wrong

You should tell them "I'm gonna be running Curse of Strahd", see if they have any issues with that, etc.

[forest turret]

Well, im going to have them be sailing off continent to explore the unknown, and the plan is a storm wrecks their ship and bam they're in Baravia

[feral fulcrum]

Yeah, explicitly giving players of Expectation for Y, when actually you're doing X is just a huge nono

[flint ledge]

My insight would be: Uh... Don't do that...

[severe rampart]

then tell them you're running Curse of Strahd with a different plot hook.

[hot gate]

Hm, I don't think it's a good idea to do a rugpull like that, no.
They're prepared for one type of game, don't suddenly switch the game on them.

[severe rampart]

Advertising your game as "A cool grim dark fantasy in your custom world" then it's just... Curse of Strahd

[forest turret]

Alright 4/4 for no don't do that. Thanks 👍👍

[severe rampart]

Lmao that'd be hilarious though, there's this lord of the land his name is "Ztrahd von Sarovich"

[hot gate]

"This is my island, Mareovia"

[severe rampart]

"You have to free all of Varobia from the demon Ztrahd!"

[hot gate]

I do like campaign reflavors like that. I've ran a LMoP reflavor for a player who had already played in it, just so they didn't need to retread all the content.

Swapping all the goblins for kobolds, for example

(I suppose strictly speaking that's a rework rather than a reflavor but you get the idea)

[astral swallow]

Can I ask your guys opinion of campaign happening in a land with a lot of stuff to do, but the land it self is small

[hot gate]

It's great. Works wonders for Curse of Strahd and Rime of the Frostmaiden. Densely packed lands are fun to explore.

It's also good if you don't want to worry about travel tracking.

[severe rampart]

Underground, in the Sky, in a different plane of existence

Also what Deva said

[jagged lily]

What should I do if I wanna pick a 2014 background in a 2024 game?

Like the ones from the Obojima book

[hot gate]

If you’re using a background from an older book, adjust your ability scores by increasing one score by 2 and a different one by 1, or increase three scores by 1. None of these increases can raise a score above 20.

Similarly, species in older books include ability score increases. If you’re using a species from an older book, ignore those increases and use only the ones given by your background.

Also, if the background you choose doesn’t provide a feat, you gain an Origin feat of your choice.

• Quote from the 2024 PHB

[astral swallow]

Tysm

[flint ledge]

Who in the what now

[stuck shuttle]

In my opinion a paid DM is held to a higher standard of quality and consistency, so that means any of the following:

• Previous experience in DM-ing (with good testimonials)
• Access to official content outside the BR (i.e. owning official content)
• Consistent and reliable scheduling
• Swift and fair adjudication when problems (ruleswise, interparty conflict, etc) arise

The Basic Rules

You can probably look at various paid DM-ing sites to see what paid games typically offer

[crystal star]

I could give some first hand examples if you like :> (even if its just out of curiosity)

[somber rain]

Is there a way to give a bard eldritch blast

[paper portal]

Multiclass into warlock generally

[somber rain]

Is there like a feat or smth 😔

[paper portal]

There was magic initiate warlock in 5e

[somber rain]

Im playing 5e

[eager marsh]

2024 or 2014 because 2024 removed the option to use magic initiate on warlock/bard/ranger/paladin/sorcerer to keep their unique spells exclusive

[somber rain]

2014

I want to be a debuff/buff bard that can also do damage because the dm is newer and his balancing to combat killed my character in session 2

Trying to make sure nobody else dies

[eager marsh]

having EB wont save you. it's only 'good' because Warlocks can add their charisma for free then stack Hex on it. You're likely better off focusing on the support aspect

[somber rain]

I am just looking for a reliable damaging cantrip

[eager marsh]

before lv 5, EB on your bard is just worse than a crossbow because that t least adds your dex

bard doesnt have any of those. by design

[somber rain]

Ah alr. Ive never played a bard before or played with one so im still figuring this out

[somber rain]

Das why im looking for a feat or smth

[eager marsh]

which bard subclass are you aiming for

[somber rain]

Uhh one sec i forgot the name

Lore i believe

[glass granite]

Nice choice

[eager marsh]

before lv 5 any cantrip you take will generally just be worse than using a weapon because ability mods apply. But if you really care about a few points of damage sometimes, using a feat for EB will work. you'd get a second cantrip and 1 lv 1 warlock spell as well

[somber rain]

Waht if i just

Existed as a tiefling

Idk

I guess ill look in to multiclassing

I just wish i could do a little damage

[glass granite]

Once you unlock magical secrets, you’ll be doing a solid amount

[eager marsh]

Eldritch Blast. Also like I said, you're just overthinking it a bit. also trying to take the singular role to balance the whole party yourself is a bad mentality to have

[somber rain]

Fair

We have a paladin warlock a homebrew druid and a homebrew rogue warlock thingy

Then theres me …

[crystal star]

you're also gonna need the agonizing blast invocation in order to give EB that modifier bonus. which you can also get from a feat in 2014.

[glass granite]

Is there something wrong with you?

[somber rain]

Yes

[glass granite]

What?

[somber rain]

Im playing a chatacter thats too simple

[eager marsh]

they're overthinking their value

[coarse ravine]

Then create a druid

[glass granite]

Simple in what sense?

[eager marsh]

too simple is not only not possible, being simple isnt bad

[somber rain]

O okay

[eager marsh]

Human Fighter is the simplest thing in the game and is the most common combination created

[hot gate]

Nothing wrong with that. I'm sure your DM will figure out how to balance at some point. The main point is to have fun and I hope they're actively taking feedback into account.

[coarse ravine]

Wildfire if your dm wants to kill kill kill. Well you can run away with teleports. You can maneuver the battlefield alot easier

[somber rain]

Oka

Well ty people

[somber rain]

O how

[glass granite]

Bards have full spellcasting, incredibly strong skill checks, powerful support and CC, and access to SO many spells

[glass granite]

You can get fireball, for one

[somber rain]

Ohhh

[coarse ravine]

What level?

[somber rain]

I understand now

[glass granite]

As a lore bard you get it earlier too

Level 6 actually

[somber rain]

Dang

The dragon ate my gif

[glass granite]

Yeah don’t feed Themberchaud

He’ll get more fat

[somber rain]

😭

[glass granite]

What level are you now?

[severe rampart]

he's perfect the way he is

[somber rain]

3

[coarse ravine]

Howd he kill your character last time?

What was done?

[somber rain]

4 giant desert lizzards with 45 hp while i was sleeping that do a d10 of damage

[coarse ravine]

No one was on watch?

Thats a party problem to be honest

[somber rain]

I was playing a low intel character and got banished from the town so they went and slept without me ;-;

[glass granite]

Bards are by design low damage dealers, especially early game. As a lore bard though, you are an absolute menace with cutting words and save spells, and you’ll get the biggest spell selection very soon

[somber rain]

Okiii

[glass granite]

If you got banished that might be on you…

[somber rain]

Ty

[glass granite]

How does that even happen

[somber rain]

Yeye im not saying its anyone elses fault

[coarse ravine]

You were banished from your party or yhe town?

[somber rain]

Rock obsessed barbarian sees shiny rocks and steals blacksmiths metal with a nat 20 and then feels bad so gives metal to mayor

the silence

[glass granite]

It’s only slightly judgmental don’t worry

But in that case, depending on the campaign, let that be an example not to be stupid and cause chaos for chaos’ sake.

[somber rain]

My intel was 6, my name was arabic for rock, i started a cult, and my biggest enemy is my dad who broke my rock named rok jr

[undone rain]

Man i miss my first paladin, shame he died

I should bring him back as like a non canon version

[somber rain]

Anywyas im playing a serious character now

Yes

[wicked mulch]

D&D Question of the Day (D&D Beyond: Playing the Game):

Which is NOT true about movement?
A) You can break up movement between actions.
B) Difficult terrain costs extra movement.
C) Moving out of a creature’s reach never risks anything.

[undone rain]

Bards are fun

[undone rain]

C

[somber rain]

I think its probably c

[paper portal]

I feel like every consecutive one of these is more obvious than the last lol

[somber rain]

Its so hard not to send cat gifs

Anywayd yeah im playing a lore bard ty for the advice people

Ye ik but its so tempting

[glass granite]

C)

Opportunity attacks are the main one

[severe rampart]

C. You Risk Opportunity Attack

[somber rain]

Trying to figure out what feat to take now lol

[severe rampart]

For a bonus point, you can get out of a creature's reach without risk if you have flyby

[glass granite]

War caster is the classic one

[somber rain]

O valid

[severe rampart]

and for a bonus bonus point if a creature has "Sentinel" and you disengage and move out you still risk opportunity attack

[fair plinth]

You could also disengage

[somber rain]

Lots of bonus points

[severe rampart]

but also if you do the 5th level fighter "second wind" you can move out of a creature's reach without provoking opportunity attack

[paper portal]

War caster or resilient generally

Bards have kinda sad saves

[somber rain]

103% on the test fr

[severe rampart]

This is a rare moment where I am on time for a "D&D question of the day"

[glass granite]

You can also be a scout, blind them, teleport, be moved from an external source independent from your movement…

[severe rampart]

oh it's like that, Nugget?

[glass granite]

Idk is it

[undone rain]

Mmm shocking grasp

[paper portal]

You forgot about the mobile feat :)

[severe rampart]

You can also do a spell or action that will get rid of their reaction, and then move away safely.

[eager marsh]

easy answer: enemy stat blocks almost never have feats applied so trying to move away from a creature with Sentinel will almost never be a player problem

[paper portal]

Or the flyby feature

[severe rampart]

we're covering every basis ;)

[eager marsh]

then sentinel wins. it already states they'll trigger the attack when moving away. flyby wont block that either

[paper portal]

Taking your action to disengage sucks though

[eager marsh]

then dont disengage. just fight them. they cant attack you if they're dead

[severe rampart]

I'm pretty sure you're wrong

" Immediately after a creature within 5 feet of you takes the Disengage action or hits a target other than you with an attack, you can make an Opportunity Attack against that creature."

[paper portal]

Based I agree

[severe rampart]

You don't trigger the AoP from Sentinel just because you're moving away, you trigger it because you take an action to disengage

Flyby doesn't make you disengage

[eager marsh]

oh wait...I realize what I did. I was thinking about Cavalier lv 10 feature which is almost identical to sentinel

made me think the moving still triggered. oops

You can also just be like my mind flayer and use psionics to push them away

[frosty plinth]

About the new D&D season encounter.
Could we access the digital kit from the Asian region store that already has the MTG WPN code?

[feral fulcrum]

I don't know about 2024, but in 2014 it does definitely trigger from movement itself.

"Creatures provoke opportunity attacks from you even if they take the Disengage action before leaving your reach."

Flyby however...doesn't care and still makes Sentinel fail.

Which is neat.

[sand garnet]

I'm not sure if there's a space for this but is there a channel or forum where we can discuss the UA materials?

[severe rampart]

Ah yeah, point, but what's the point of disengaging if you're not moving away?, but you are correct though

[hot gate]

Yes, over in #1026901431132885064

[quiet pebble]

hello I'm new to game can someone accept me to their team please? I want to play as wizard

[viral kraken]

#find-a-game

[quiet pebble]

I don't know how to use it... I just wanna play but noone plays

[viral kraken]

it explains how to use it

[still plover]

Check the listings in #looking-for-players for games that want people, read the details, respond as appropriate and cross your fingers.

Type /looking and select the option for #looking-for-dm to advertise yourself as a new player in search of a group. Be sure to include your regular availability!

There are other Discord servers where people gather for games. You can find them in #looking-for-community .

Aside from here, you could also try LFG areas in sites like Reddit, Roll20 or the D&D Beyond forums to get started.

[golden bough]

bro i found a new group and its been like 5 minutes of playing

im alr being hunted by 3 kingdoms and cultists

lord help me

and now im faking my death and making a new identity

[knotty vine]

Impressive

[versed pollen]

I remember there was a version of the new ranger that had a weaker version of hunter's mark that was not a spell and did not require concentration? was that scrapped?

I don't get why they refuse to remove conc from such a basic defining ability

[golden bough]

idk what the hell that is im always a rogue

mainly daggers

[humble cairn]

That was Tasha's Favored Foe, but it did still require concentration. They have tried non concentration Hunter's Mark at least three times in playtests over the years and it never tested well.

[paper portal]

Because it's "too strong"

[versed pollen]

if it was easy to acces to any class yes, but making it a mid tier ranger that requires invetment in the ranger levels would still be strng?

[humble cairn]

So basically they tried and tried and it never tested well with playtesters.

[versed pollen]

it doesnt scale in damage, so such a week spell would compete with other better conc options for ranger, while also being a signature defining spell

[paper portal]

Even if it was a low level feature it wouldn't be imo

[versed pollen]

meaning you wont be using it as a ranger

[humble cairn]

Non conc Hunter's Mark is probably not the easy fixall that people somehow feel it would be.

[versed pollen]

at least have it scale if not,

cuz it competes with much better spells and is a shame it fails

as a defining spell for ranger, it shouldn't feel bad to use later on

[rough basalt]

Yeah the true fixall was just giving you PB bonus free casts so you can use it at will whenever it's useful.

[reef tundra]

And this debate comes back

[paper portal]

Hi amity!

[reef tundra]

Hi ex-wings now Jackalope

[rough basalt]

Yep cause Rangers just already too good

[paper portal]

!! :3

[humble cairn]

I only really consider it competition if it accomplishes the same thing.

[rough basalt]

But only the enlightened can tell

[versed pollen]

i meant competing for spell slots and concentration as adefining spell that you would always want to have on thematically and narratively.

[woven flint]

I awaken

[humble cairn]

And I did a spell-by-spell comparison with other Ranger spells, and HM doesn't really have direct competition (single target weapon damage enhancement) until Ranger 9.

[humble cairn]

Why on earth do you think HM should be always on? It is a single target attack damage enhancement. That's all it does.

[versed pollen]

no, it is a hunting/tracking spell, that gets more of that later on.

it is a big part of what a ranger is thematically

[reef tundra]

It’s fine, people, wanting something else doesn’t make the original thing bad it just means you want something else

[rough basalt]

Not really competing for spell slots tho you get free casts equal to PB bonus.

[humble cairn]

Ok yes that, too, but why should it be the solution to every problem?t;s only for specific things.

[versed pollen]

but when you can keep it up for 24 hours or 48 hous later, means you wont cast any conc spell for that duration? why

48 hours of concentration lock down.

[rough basalt]

Cause you would and just cast HM again when it's best.

[versed pollen]

if you want to live the fantasy a little

[versed pollen]

but that would be on a diff target

[paper portal]

Ok but the original thing is also bad as is everything made by wotc /silly

[versed pollen]

again you consider the damage buff, i am talking about the tracking narrative power

a ranger tracking fantasy

[rough basalt]

I've never seen anyone use the tracking aspect.

[versed pollen]

doesnt mean it is not the spell theme

or what is the difference between it and hex

[rough basalt]

Hex is a Warlock spell that does necrotic.

[flint ledge]

You're so right everything that's not self made or third party content is TERRIBLE! /silly

[versed pollen]

hex is a curse,

[reef tundra]

I love ya wings and I know you’re saying that in a silly way but that’s subjective, whether or not the original is bad

[reef tundra]

-# I do :(

[humble cairn]

Survival Expertise works fairly well for tracking, and getting Advanage on Skill checks isn't really hard.

[severe rampart]

Also it's affected by weapon and spell attacks

[versed pollen]

it is not just what is the damage of the spell, thematics and narrative are important, class fantasy matters

[paper portal]

Personally I think if you don't have enough homebrew to make the game completely unrecognisable you aren't playing dnd

[severe rampart]

Iirc Hunter's Mark only triggers on weapon attacks

[paper portal]

You love me? Hell yeah /lh

[rough basalt]

You get expertise.

[rough basalt]

Ye but it's Force damage

[humble cairn]

In 2024 it's any attack, spell or weapon.

[versed pollen]

just how everyone else can get that, but hunter's marks upgrades are exclusive to ranger

like how eldritch invications upgrades are exclusive to warlock

[severe rampart]

oh damn, then the difference is minimal

[rough basalt]

Ye HM is just better because of damage type

[versed pollen]

So picking a ranger should feel better than any other class that decides to track

[rough basalt]

If you're picking a Ranger solely to track 9/10 you're gonna be in for a rude awakening.

[humble cairn]

And it does, from my personal experience.

[severe rampart]

there are some DMs that don't do exploration aspect as much

[reef tundra]

Could combine 5.5e Ranger with the flavour abilities of 2014 5e Ranger

[humble cairn]

Not only can I get Expertise but I can also talk to animals and plants and detect poison and , etc.

[versed pollen]

What is wrong with going for a class fantasy?

[rough basalt]

The person running the game isn't someone who can always enable you.

[reef tundra]

And all the little rules that 2014 5e had that was affected by the presence of a Ranger. Like chase rules

[versed pollen]

a divination wizard may do it better but they arent doing it the same fantasy way

[versed pollen]

But can you say that this is not accurate to the ranger class fantasy so it should be supported?

Thief got jump with dex to cater to the fantasy of parkour without requriing strength

monk got to do strength feats with dex to cater to the martial artist fantasy without strength

[humble cairn]

I think Ranger fits the fantasy pretty great, from actual play experience.

[woven flint]

Ranger discussion, huh?
Slowly pulls out my Bingo Card /silly

[rough basalt]

Ye Ranger does what a Ranger does.

[severe rampart]

I just need someone to mention fighters being better for a bingo

[paper portal]

This does come with the downside of making strength even less useful though 😭

[reef tundra]

Get that /silly outa here we might as well do dnd discussion bingo

/silly

[paper portal]

Okay what's the middle square for starters

[woven flint]

We already did!
Yoy said it! Even if inadvertently

[versed pollen]

It is for specific purposes, class fantasy should always triumph anything

[knotty vine]

burns the bingo card

[severe rampart]

Bingo!

[reef tundra]

NOO

[severe rampart]

The free square? that's the AI talk

[rough basalt]

2014 Berserker had class fantasy and all it did was punish the player

[woven flint]

You fool.
Do you know what you have done?!

[umbral girder]

Martial caster divide

[woven flint]

Oop!
I got a Bingo!

[knotty vine]

No not really

[reef tundra]

I fear mentioning them. It might do that thing where if you mention something negatively enough people will confuse it for an invite to discuss it

[severe rampart]

That's... the only thing I have in between my sessions...

[paper portal]

Don't worry I put "someone burning the bingo board" on the bingo board

[reef tundra]

Everyone quick, positive thoughts! Favourite species, go

[humble cairn]

I feel very Rangery on my Beast Master, so I think the class is fulfilling the fantasy well.

[reef tundra]

Kalashtar

[severe rampart]

So, how about them wizards being able to cast Conjure Minor Elementals while fighters can do jack? /j

[paper portal]

Whichever one your least favourite is >:3c

[reef tundra]

NOO /j

[woven flint]

Can we put Tokii Sighting on the Bingo Board?

[knotty vine]

Gith

[severe rampart]

Changeling

[knotty vine]

Might as well put that in the certain spot

[reef tundra]

Hell yes. Both or do have a preference between Githyanki and Githzerai?

[woven flint]

I don't really have one

[reef tundra]

Goated choice

[paper portal]

Nah you aren't iconic enough /silly

[versed pollen]

Well, subclasses exist for a reason, to enable different fantasies, but isn't a ranger most common fantasy a wilderness hunter?

[woven flint]

I think I'm a little iconic.
I already have a low ego, man 😔

[versed pollen]

so hunter's mark should be treated specialy, at least get the same treatement of hex where it gets special upgrades.

[reef tundra]

It is for me!

[humble cairn]

Sure, and Ranger does that, though?

[reef tundra]

I don’t even know what the debate is about anymore :(

[severe rampart]

I feel like they're fighting air

[reef tundra]

More positive thoughts! Favourite creature type. Oddly specific yes

[severe rampart]

Humanoid

[woven flint]

The argument is why do some people call Cookies Biscuits and Biscuits Cookies!

[knotty vine]

Githzerai I find the githyanki to be very… insufferable

[versed pollen]

Being able to do it is not the same as excelling in it, i won't enjoy it when i find that another class that is not made for that fantasy c an do it as good as me or more on top of other stuff.

[severe rampart]

We cook bacon and bake cookies

[severe rampart]

... what can do it better?

[reef tundra]

Fey

[minor cargo]

Actually, the most common stereotype for a ranger is the hottest one in the party.

So in this way, Ranger in 2024 succeeds.
/lh

[versed pollen]

anyone with wisdom and expertise? what does current ranger really get that is unique in terms of tracking?

[reef tundra]

Hell yes someone finally said Githzerai

[woven flint]

Aberrations

[reef tundra]

Elementals

Fey and Elementals, my two favourites

[humble cairn]

Other classes can't do the same, though? There isn't a combination of Expertise and nature based spell list.

[versed pollen]

many get these spells even earlier cuz ranger is half caster.

[woven flint]

Abberations and the classic Monstrosities for me

[reef tundra]

And also if every class served a use that not a single other class could do at least similarly, then party comp would be so much more important

Imagine if only cleric had healing spells

[humble cairn]

But not with the same combination of nature based spells and Expertise.

[versed pollen]

lore bard for example, some cleric and druid subclasses, i could make a tracker build right now easy without a ranger level.

[woven flint]

My Ranger has been more Rogue than Ranger lol
He's a Lockpicker and Sneak

[versed pollen]

a thief is not the rogue main fantasy.

[woven flint]

Me when Rangers get expertise:

[humble cairn]

My point still stands.

[versed pollen]

which is?

[woven flint]

I didn't say thief, did I?

He never stole.

[severe rampart]

I am so confused

[reef tundra]

What is going on anymore

[severe rampart]

We're just in our own little corner

[humble cairn]

#dnd-discussion message

[reef tundra]

Yeah, Let’s just watch it unfold

[minor cargo]

Bring back threads? Lmao.

[reef tundra]

I would love it if there was a Martials vs casters thread do I can just demand anyone who brings it up to go there

-# Wait a minute… I brought it up…

[woven flint]

Banishment!

[reef tundra]

I am not above the law, somebody do it for me

All I have is banishing smite and it’ll only last a few turns :(

[woven flint]

Sorry, the punishment was actually execution, madam.

[reef tundra]

Wait I have dispel good and evil I can just target myself

[reef tundra]

I am above the law, nobody do it

[woven flint]

Seems hypocritical

Not above the law until someone mentions death? 🧐 /silly

First time?

[lean wigeon]

i think martials are too strong, we need to get rid of extra attack and also make it so they have zero attunement slots because they have no magic

[rough basalt]

Worst part is, there's people out there that do genuinely think that

They see one Rogue crit and just go ballistic.

[reef tundra]

Genius /j

[viral kraken]

extra attack? we just need to can the attack action overall!

[reef tundra]

Even better

[reef tundra]

No I just don’t wanna be an undead yet

[woven flint]

Martials?
Just delete them

[umbral girder]

Counter spell

[tawdry sentinel]

Rogues sneak attack is OP. In my game yesterday the level 3 rogue told me that they can sneak attack even without sneaking because an ally is there, and when he crit he did like 18 damage! How is this fair????

[woven flint]

Cackling

[severe rampart]

oh my god, 18 damage???

[rough basalt]

I know it's a joke. But why am I still angry?

[reef tundra]

But anyway, let’s just gently step away, mentioning the word “martial” too much might activate the fight mode in the debaters

[woven flint]

How could dis happen?!

[severe rampart]

how dare those... those... those martials try to take away from us

[woven flint]

Outrageous!!!

[paper portal]

Hii!!! >:3c

[reef tundra]

NOO

[woven flint]

Me when I play majority of my Casters as if they were martials:

[rough basalt]

My days been so short but I've had to witness some really really bad takes so I'm even getting angry at obvious joke ones.

[severe rampart]

Martials!... They only think about themselves—they're spoiled! They won't deal damage, they won't get magic items .. I won't let them!

[paper portal]

Don't you wanna hear my opinions on how martials suck and you should never use them :3

[woven flint]

Yes! Brilliant!!!