dnd-discussion

[woven flint]

You know his hatred for demons would prevent that smh

[severe rampart]

Honestly, knowing everything now I don't know

[woven flint]

Are you even reading what I'm saying? 😭

[umbral girder]

Sovis stuck in a drama

[dim wasp]

yes im asking about alustriel

[empty thicket]

ironic isnt it?

[severe rampart]

Roll a d20, on a 1-10 go with Kas, on an 11-20, don't disappoint Alustriel

[woven flint]

It's not about Alustriel DYING.
she's functionally biologically immortal from my understanding.

It's about Sovis accepting the deal Kas made and becoming undead, but potentially being shut out of Alustriels life forever.

[severe rampart]

let the dice decide

[dim wasp]

i'd just say be normal

[umbral girder]

Alustriel is 730 right now but I don’t think the concern is her dying.

[dim wasp]

i wanna be in the sun

[umbral girder]

Well maybe she is currently in a very killable situation right now

[dim wasp]

i wanna enjoy the breeze

[severe rampart]

"Normal"... so... Duergar aren't normal? Undead? hmm? pretty reductive of you Sharky

[dim wasp]

hmmm

[dim wasp]

whats a duergar

[woven flint]

He wants the power NOW to save his people, but he also understands that the way NOW could potentially ruin the relationship he's had with the Silverhands.

[severe rampart]

Deep Dwarf

[woven flint]

That's the dilemma

"Do I save my people now and ruin my relationships. Or do I let more of my people die and save what's left later and keep my relationships?"

[severe rampart]

if I was him, I would lie down on the floor, curl up into a ball, and then cry

[umbral girder]

And of course, is that power gonna come with any other sacrifices

[dim wasp]

what is a deep dwarf described as?

[severe rampart]

Sometimes there is no right answer

[dim wasp]

u just said you'd leave it upto a d20

huh

[severe rampart]

Well I don't wanna have a 50% chance to disappoint my mom figure

[dim wasp]

make up ur mind lmao

[severe rampart]

that's my mom

[dim wasp]

where is dad and siblings/j

[gusty yarrow]

guys is my dm getting bored of the campaign he keeps critting and almost killing us

[umbral girder]

Is Tasha the irresponsible older or younger sister in this situation I wonder?

[severe rampart]

Talk to them about it. That's very immature and if they have something to say they should just say it.

[dim wasp]

Tasha comes across as irresponsible to you?

[gusty yarrow]

oh that was a joke, we can see his rolls on foundry

[severe rampart]

I'm bad with social cues

[woven flint]

His sister was killed by a Balor and he doesn't know what happened to his biological parents still.

It's not that Alustriel is actually his mother, she stepped in as a maternal individual in his life after he felt he lost everything

[umbral girder]

She acts like it partially in the game

Someone who deals in Fey and Demons likes to stir the pot you know.

[dim wasp]

tbh im kinda taking inspiration from frieren for this one

[woven flint]

Never watched it lol

[dim wasp]

20 years is still a buttload of time to make memories with a party

[dim wasp]

owo

[severe rampart]

Wait... 20 years to live, so no ressurection magic, etc?

Reincarnation, Wish?

[umbral girder]

Can’t bring back someone who died of old age

[woven flint]

Yes, he's near the finite end of his natural lifespan

[umbral girder]

Not even wish helps

[severe rampart]

Oh fair point

[severe rampart]

Damn, what about Alustriel?

[dim wasp]

what if u just brew a potion

to extend their life

[umbral girder]

It doesn’t help

[severe rampart]

... What if you kill him first

[umbral girder]

Those eventually do the opposite effect after more than 1 use

[dim wasp]

i mean something that only a master could craft

owo

[severe rampart]

That seems like a plot device

[dim wasp]

could be an interesting side arc

[severe rampart]

or a Deus ex Machina

[umbral girder]

Those potions specify they begin to age you faster if you take it more than once in your life

Per the DMG

[woven flint]

She's biologically immortal

[dim wasp]

what dmg

[severe rampart]

May I ask how?

[woven flint]

As she's the child of Mystra

[umbral girder]

Dungeon Master’s Guide

[severe rampart]

Oh wow

[umbral girder]

Daughter of a Goddess

[severe rampart]

Damn that is... a lot to unpack

[woven flint]

She's way much of a better individual than her mother is

Alustriel is very compassionate

[umbral girder]

And her sisters. Alustriel being the very good aligned chosen

[dim wasp]

@umbral girderhow long does it extend lifespan by

anyways

[umbral girder]

Her wiki entry literally says “she has no enemies except her ex husband”

[woven flint]

Alustriel has 6 other sisters, one of which is Laerel Silverhand

[umbral girder]

1d6+6 years it makes you younger and after that it another one will age you that same amount

[reef tundra]

I know only two Silverhands and that’s already too many

[viral kraken]

oh so you just need a bunch of them so you can mix them and use the potion mixing to keep doubling the numerical values

[reef tundra]

Although I like the two I know if

[viral kraken]

would need quite a few and some good luck

[reef tundra]

Oh hell I just remembered I have to deal with the Silverhands in my Bane campaign. Considering Mystra is dead in it :(

[umbral girder]

They are 40,000gp each and very hard to find

I wonder if Alustriel ever hangs out with Elminster.

[viral kraken]

i wonder how many years of work each one is for a character

[umbral girder]

I know she hangs out with Drizzt very often

So much so when Cattie-Brie met her with Drizzt’s Panther she noticed a Panther sized cat bed

That said Panther immediately snuggled into

[molten glade]

What's the name of the spell that makes an animal sentient

[umbral girder]

Awaken

[viral kraken]

is it awakening?

[umbral girder]

It’s a Druid spell

Also a Bard spell

[viral kraken]

ooh fun, did not know bards could awaken

[severe rampart]

Well yeah, how else do they sleep

[umbral girder]

Exactly

[viral kraken]

the long sleep duh

[molten glade]

I knew it was in the druid list but I didn't figure it was a transmutation spell

Would've figured it was enchantment

[umbral girder]

One of those shaping reality spells that Transmutation gets

[woven flint]

Well, you're changing somethings brain to function more like a person

Or giving a plant sentience

[umbral girder]

A lot of “laws of physics” spells are transmutation interestingly

[viral kraken]

ya and for plants gives them mobility and whatnot too right?

[umbral girder]

Like messing with Gravity and Time

[molten glade]

Huh

[woven flint]

Indeed

[viral kraken]

sounds very transmutey

[woven flint]

Transmutation isn't about just shapechanging but also fundamentally altering how something works

Like how conjuration isn't all about summoning

Magic is almost like a science within the realms
(Well, IS a Science for most)

But, real Chads use their fist

[normal junco]

like.... punch a plant until it becomes sapient?

[viral kraken]

stop punching my salad!

[errant crag]

Thrashed salad

[normal junco]

"its working! it moved!"

[tulip kayak]

Hey

I'm actually new to DND and hav been trying to find out the basics

I have a character and chose my OC for it

[viral kraken]

have you already checked out #dnd-newcomers ? might be good to check that out

[normal junco]

a big piece of advice i can give you about using an OC as a character, make a variant that's customized to the game you'll be playing. that way your OC will remain undamaged and unaltered, and the variant with jive well with the game world at the table.

[errant crag]

Yeah my recommendation is to make a fresh character explicitly for D&D rather than try to adapt an OC first

I would save adapting OCs for when you have a good enough grasp of the character creation rules to be able to represent them accurately in a way that won't be disappointing for you

[fossil hollow]

Especially if its like how most people make their OCs... (stares at my middle school notebooks)

[normal junco]

however, you can take great inspirations from the OC. like, the new character can gradually try to grow in power and become similar to the OC

[tulip kayak]

And I've heard people have had a game running for 6 years 💔

[errant crag]

When I first started I tried to remake my OCs and it was just frustrating and made the game feel limiting, now that I know the rules though I could probably remake any of my OCs in it no problem.

[viral kraken]

my current campaign i run is on year 3

[rough basalt]

Ye "Forever groups" are a legend many wish for.

[fossil hollow]

I... man, 6 years. Ive only been running games for 4 years

[normal junco]

my point is that players are often much more flexible when the character they play is adapted to the game world instead of trying to shoehorn outside concepts

[craggy summit]

Probably homebrew games and/or they only play like twice a month. I've ran adventure modules once a week and they usually last about 6 months

[rough basalt]

My longest running campaign as a DM is currently 7 months in.

There was 1 and a half months off due to player issues and holidays tho

[normal junco]

if i could support myself with a full time salary doing it, i'd run multiple games every day.

[rough basalt]

And gotta account for my sickness cancellations.

[tulip kayak]

and when I search up DND I just see the Freddy Fazbear guy 💔

[rough basalt]

My Monday campaign will probably end this year.

[normal junco]

Matthew Lillard? the dude is awesome.

[tulip kayak]

NO THE FREDDY FAZBEAR LEGO GUY

WITH BLUE HAIR

[fossil hollow]

No need for caps

that blows up people's screen readers

[rough basalt]

Matthew Lillard is a loveable dude.

But yeah once my monday party is through t2 they're gonna be blazing their way to level 20 im sure

[severe rampart]

Thinking of quotes from "The Art of War" my mini boss can quote in a fight..

[normal junco]

the one about sun tsu using his book money to put all the animals on a boat?

[severe rampart]

Lmao what😭

[normal junco]

Meet the Soldier from TF2

throughout he's lecturing about Sun Tsu's The Art of War.

[tulip kayak]

The reason I found interest in learning is also since I got DND for Christmas

[normal junco]

incorrectly, but still, its worth a view if you want quotes.

[normal junco]

nice. what product of it did you get? book? box?

[tulip kayak]

Uhhhh

Box

[normal junco]

cool. which one?

[silk hare]

a netflix subscription if his profile picture can be trusted lol

[tulip kayak]

on the cover for the box I got it says "welcome to the hellfire club"

[silk hare]

oh wait nvm, Im legally blind, that looked like that one kid that goes missing in stranger things season 1

[tulip kayak]

And it came with a map kinda

[normal junco]

nice. thats a good set. but the yellow character sheets bug my eyes

[tulip kayak]

Yea

[crimson gulch]

It's a good feeling that's for sure

[normal junco]

so reading through the books that come with the welcome to the hellfire club box set, it should teach you how to play.

[fiery nimbus]

though how it works really depends on the setting
I do like transmutation in Cosmare tbh

[normal junco]

i dont have the set, but i understand that and the heroes of the borderlands starter sets are very good at teaching to play.

[crimson gulch]

It is, heros of the borderlands is the best starter kit I ever did see

[normal junco]

how does the rule book for it compare to the Essentials Kit or the other 5e starter sets?

[peak pecan]

It’s pretty solid; not as good as the Essentials Kit or Lost Mines, but for sure better than Stormwreck

[crimson gulch]

It's not just the rule book but the whole package with player boards and cards for spells equipment backrounds races and loot

[normal junco]

so far the Essentials Kit rulebook or the rulebook that came with Hunt for the Thessalhydra are my go to short form rulebooks to hand off to new players. they're free and compact and have pretty much all they need to get going.

but that's for 5e. i was hoping 5.5e would have something similar. although WotC's yet to release any of the 5.5e starter set rulebook pdfs for free yet.

no rules for making a character, however. so nothing to replace the Essentials Kit rulebook.

[vestal tree]

Who wins the braindead-off?

Wizard spamming Fireball or Warlock spamming Eldritch Blast?

[civic musk]

Huh that’s neat. This server hit 300k people

[fossil hollow]

a wizard rolls 8d6 once per cast to deal damage

[eager marsh]

the wizard also gets more targets per cast

[thick acorn]

could someone explain to me?
The wizard has haste in their spells list, but they need atleast 2 hours to get it into their orb? what does that mean

[eager marsh]

a wizard needs 6 hours to copy Haste into their spellbook if they didnt select it from their free level up spells. also 150 gp

[thick acorn]

ok but what orb?

[eager marsh]

there is no orb

[fossil hollow]

what orb

[eager marsh]

what are you reading that mentions an orb

[fossil hollow]

do you mean spellbook??

[peak pecan]

They aren’t putting it in their casting focus; they’re memorizing it for later casting through their orb or wand or staff

[thick acorn]

ok ty

[fossil hollow]

The thing theyre putting it into is their Spellbook yeah

[woven flint]

Pondering my Orb

[thick acorn]

i know wizards have spell books and can copy spells from scrolls (50gp per lv)

[molten glade]

How do material requirements for spells work anyway, is the gold automatically subtracted from you whenever you cast a spell whose material requirement costs gold, or do you have to go out and actually find the material

[woven flint]

Nope,those are separate

[thick acorn]

i think you have to find the material however some groups do no components, some do just the price, and some is all components

[fossil hollow]

If it doesnt have a GP cost, you just use a Component Pouch

if it has a cost, you have to ask your DM to either include it as loot, or ask if you can buy it somewhere

[woven flint]

If it's a material component with a cost, you need to go buy it

Same if it's consumed

[vale valve]

When you clean something with prestidigitation, where does the dirty stuff go? The astral plane?

[fossil hollow]

doesnt say

[peak pecan]

It’s magic; it doesn’t need an answer

[woven flint]

I'd assume it's brushed off

[molten glade]

Good to keep in mind, thanks

[woven flint]

Being a Wizard is definitely the most expensive class lol

You REALLY need every bit of gold you can get

[fossil hollow]

I know Malaketh spent a fair share of gold on spells

[peak pecan]

Have to remember this for my wizard player

[molten glade]

I plan to do a wizard when I get into a campaign so

[woven flint]

Luckily he was built different and used a sword a plenty

[molten glade]

I'll have to sell anything I find that not I nor my party can use

[woven flint]

Sell your party

[fossil hollow]

the urge to run an in person game is hitting me hard

[woven flint]

Me when my urge is to get struck by a car
And it hits me hard /silly

[crimson gulch]

In person so good

[fossil hollow]

speaking of in person games, i gotta get a hit of it

[undone rain]

So where do artificers get their powers from

[fossil hollow]

Tinkering with magic

[undone rain]

Basic but ig that works too

[meager fractal]

I have a choice between a magic battleaxe, flail, or warhammer. I dunno what they do. What do you think I should choose? I think the flail because they are cool as avernus.

They are supposed to relate to heroes in the giant's pantheon or someth. The battleaxe is ice, the warhammer is fire, and the flail is storm

[undone rain]

Sure go with the flail

[fossil hollow]

I mean.

Masters of invention, Artificers use ingenuity and magic to unlock extraordinary capabilities in objects. They see magic as a complex system waiting to be decoded and then harnessed in their spells and inventions.

[undone rain]

Oh okay ig thats kinda cool

[jolly canyon]

i want to so bad as well

[reef tundra]

I can deliver

[woven flint]

Do it

[reef tundra]

Sigh alright, but I can’t post gifs here so I’ll have to improvise

It seems I have accidentally cast fireball on you

[woven flint]

Wrong.
I PARRY the fireball Leon Resident Evil: Requiem style.

[fossil hollow]

hnnng... joining a CoS game, fighter or rogue

[woven flint]

...

Monk.

[glass granite]

I like that answer

[reef tundra]

Now I’m wondering what the heck happened in RE requiem

[woven flint]

Be a Monk to be a bit of Fighter and Rogue 🧐

[reef tundra]

Pick My homebrew class the Battleblood and pick the vampire subclass 😎

[woven flint]

He parries Nemesis with a regular ass Axe

And a lot of other things

[reef tundra]

Metal af.
Also good to hear that Nemesis is back

[woven flint]

Oh shit, that might be spoilers actually lol

[fossil hollow]

Ugggggh, i was thinking of a Rune Knight Unarmed fighter 😭

[woven flint]

Goliath Monk

[woven flint]

He also fights ||H.U.N.K||

[atomic kayak]

They are wizards who channel their magic into objects

[glass granite]

B-but monk

[reef tundra]

Idk who that is so I guess it’s not spoilers

[fossil hollow]

But big

UUUUUUGH. Fine. Monk

[glass granite]

Why not duergar

[woven flint]

Only the most legendary guy In Resident Evil besides Leon S. Kennedy himself

[glass granite]

Yeahhhhhhh!!

[umbral girder]

Pugilist /jk

[fossil hollow]

Urizt no allow third party

[umbral girder]

Do more evil than Strahd and go Illrigger /jk

[woven flint]

Strength Monk /silly

[fossil hollow]

what monk subclass

[glass granite]

2024 or 2014?

[umbral girder]

Long death /jk

Nah probably want Mercy or Shadow

[glass granite]

Long death was fun the one time I played it

[reef tundra]

Become Strahd’s bane, Blood Hunter /j

[fossil hollow]

2024

[glass granite]

Elements is my recommendation then

[reef tundra]

Heck, become Strahd, Metamorpher /j
-# Hehe another homebrew class of mine

[glass granite]

The flavour possibilities are endless

[umbral girder]

Become Strahd’s Bane, you escaped Gotham city /jk

Break the Bat

Actually Curse of Strahd but everyone is Batman villain knock offs sounds fun

[reef tundra]

I would be in

[fossil hollow]

sorry, changing my mind again, gonna go rogue

[reef tundra]

Dibs Harley Quinn

[glass granite]

Which subclass?

[limber trail]

pertusion astral self

[reef tundra]

Go phantom rogue

[umbral girder]

Assassin

[fossil hollow]

that was my first pick for a monk lmao, but wanted to branch out

[woven flint]

I despise you.

[umbral girder]

So you can target the rich dude

[jolly canyon]

Swash is always fun

[woven flint]

Thief is a classic

[umbral girder]

Inquisitor to flex on the DM

[woven flint]

Arcane Trickster, Phantom and Soulknife could be fun for a Paranormal feel

[fossil hollow]

Scion of the Three thoooo

[reef tundra]

I was just about to say Soul knife

[reef tundra]

WOO do it

I just bought the book so I can finally see what it’s about

[glass granite]

I approve

[umbral girder]

Scion is an incredible choice

Especially in Strahd

[fossil hollow]

Necro resistance from Myrkul, gonna be the one who wants to take Strahd down

[glass granite]

It looks cool, but I’ve never seen it in play

[reef tundra]

Metal af. You got this

[umbral girder]

I know because I have a Scion in my Tuesday group

Bonkers damage

[limber trail]

Scion, based

[reef tundra]

We’ll be your hype folk, we’ll pep talk you before you slay him

I dibs being the cheerleader

[glass granite]

I’ll bring the popcorn

[reef tundra]

Excellent

Someone bring a cold towel and drink so we can do that thing that boxers do

Ask Strahd for a time out

[jolly canyon]

I dont know anything about the CoS setting. Is it in FR world or like are they linked? Curious how a Myrkul scion would be able to fight Strahd. probably a better question for #dnd-lore

[dim wasp]

ill bring the fireworks

[umbral girder]

Ravenloft is a world that kidnaps people from other universes

[jolly canyon]

oh thats cool!

[reef tundra]

Is it?! Oh hell, I’ve accidentally ripped off Ravenloft

[umbral girder]

They even have Darklords from different settings

[reef tundra]

I have a domain of dread in my setting that does that 😭

It’s not even the vampire one

[umbral girder]

Like Dragonlance and Eberron are in the setting

[jolly canyon]

dang!

Eberron my beloved

[umbral girder]

It’s like Dead by Daylight’s entity

[jolly canyon]

that makes sense

[limber trail]

Which does mean curse of strahd can be canon to your setting

[lavish flame]

thats true of every Domain of Dread tho

[jolly canyon]

thats super cool.

[umbral girder]

Yeah that’s every Domain of Dread

Although I think CoS starts in FR

[fossil hollow]

I think im gonna draw inspiration from Puss in Boots Death

[jolly canyon]

thats a good inspo to have

[reef tundra]

Oh, good

[jolly canyon]

goated character

[umbral girder]

So he needs to throw a cat at you to win?

[glass granite]

Gonna use a sickle? Or a flavoured sickle?

[fossil hollow]

well, teh cat needs to learn how to respect their life

[umbral girder]

That’s why we send 2 cats

[viral kraken]

my dm let me have a kusarigama that is just a sickle and a whip ruleswise, i was pretty excited

[fossil hollow]

scimitar, but definitely looking like a sickle.

[lavish flame]

Barovia is its own sort of setting, its part of the wider Ravenloft setting. Ravenloft is a horror-themed setting comprised of a bunch of semi-connected Domains of Dread which all feature a Darklord. Barovia is the Domain of Dread that features Strahd as its Darklord.

Ravenloft can be found somewhere in the Shadowfell, another Plane of Existence. The Forgotten Realms could connect to Ravenloft/Barovia this way, as FR has the Shadowfell.

[glass granite]

Or you could be a monk and have a d6 sickle/hj

[fossil hollow]

shhhh

[umbral girder]

Long Death Monk

Using sickles

[fossil hollow]

Being a hobgoblin and taking the Harper background so i can do some Help shenanigans

[umbral girder]

Don’t use armor like him

[jolly canyon]

I like the idea of that. was eventully gonna learn the setting to run CoS. It just makes me wanna run it more knowing this

[fossil hollow]

Oh god, the Harper Origin's Distracting Melody fits so well if I whistle while using Help

[sleek cloud]

I wish Harper’s feat was just help action as a bonus action proficiency times a day

[stray atlas]

y'all know if there's a spell that is fireball but with the thunder or acid element?

[lavish flame]

instead of ranged Help?

[halcyon bison]

Vitriolic sphere!!

[sleek cloud]

I’d say with the 30ft range still preferably but I’d take 15

[stray atlas]

thank

[halcyon bison]

You’re welcome :>

[west chasm]

Hey does anyone one know how I put out a list as a dm to find players It won’t let me

[fossil hollow]

#find-a-game has the instructions. You use the bot to make the post

[lavish flame]

put a command into any chat, #find-a-game has the command (i just dont remember)

[umbral girder]

Shatter

[blissful dragon]

anyone feel like the old default kua toa artwork looks like they should be giving a thumbs up?

like it has a sort " its wednesday my dudes " vibe to its expression

[azure bluff]

Hey everyone

[jolly canyon]

Made today and posting links... suspicious 🤔

[azure bluff]

How long have you all been playing D&D?

[fossil hollow]

4-5 years

[jolly canyon]

3 months

[azure bluff]

Nice a huge time so any tips for beginners?

I am new in DND

[fossil hollow]

read and familiarize yourself with the rules

but remember DM has final say

No DND is also better than Bad DND

[azure bluff]

Alright can you please guide me

[fossil hollow]

Check out #dnd-newcomers

[azure bluff]

Ok thankyou

[empty thicket]

understand you cant do everything, failure its okey (in dices and even choices) and finally try to have fun with your team.
Dont overtake their spotlight moments and understand them. At the end everybody its trying to have fun

Oh and start with martials, those are easy to understand and familiarize

And today had a session that i was craving so much.
Had exploring the town, rp moments and finally with the whole team a pie eating competition
We went crazy there and tried to win with all we had. I used my action surge for trying to end up a pie and even used my lucky points.
My arti used his stuff and even my paladin tried to use his other features. It was funny

[solid echo]

im playing a Eberron game, we had our first session last friday and i wanna play more 😭

[jolly canyon]

I'm Dming it! its so cool

[fossil hollow]

been DMing an Eberron game every saturday. Party is taking a trip on a Lightning Rail to Metrol

still at the First Tower though

[solid echo]

yea im playing a combat medic no magic, specing into medicine im having a blast

our lightning rail crashed, we have 11 survivors and are on our way to a village about 2 days away

and im the only medic

lost half my supplies in the crash (i asked the DM to roll)

i have my hands pretty full

im so excited for session 2

[woven flint]

Dragged me upstairs smh

[fossil hollow]

all the better to drain your vitality with

[solid echo]

where can i talk about my character with yall?

[fossil hollow]

Dolguant life drain is no joke

[fossil hollow]

#character-discussion

[woven flint]

They didn't even drain Sentry once smh

He's just goated

[spiral narwhal]

Can simulacrum cast simulacrum

[fossil hollow]

no, your CON mod was too high life force just tasted bad

[woven flint]

Not in 2024 rules
A caster can't have more than one simulacrum because the other will be destroyed

[limber trail]

Simulacrums specifically cannot cast the simulacrum spell

[spiral narwhal]

But if simulacrum cast wish? Which produced the effect would that work since its technically casting wish not simulacrum

[woven flint]

No, you're still casting simulacrum through wish.

[rough basalt]

Nope

[spiral narwhal]

Damn it

[viral kraken]

you are only replicating the effect, not casting the spell tbf

[eager marsh]

You arent casting Simulacrum.

legally the wish cheat works but most DMs will in real games block it

[rough basalt]

It's not supposed to work is the thing

[woven flint]

Yeah, but it STILL follows the simulacrum spell rules

[eager marsh]

Yea which says you cant cast simulacrum again for another. which you arent doing. I'm not saying its intended, merely how it works as written

[woven flint]

But also, literally even then, use wish on ANYTHING else smh.

[rough basalt]

Yeah, personally I'd allow it but you get wish sickness, guaranteed to lose wish and the simulacrum doesn't get it.

Mainly to make a point

[eager marsh]

like i said, works as written but most dms will apply reasonablr discretion

[woven flint]

I swear, folks be like
"With wish I can do anything... I'm gonna summon another simulacrum!"

[rough basalt]

I like how AL handles it

[eager marsh]

Me using Wish to bypass component costs on more entertaining spells

[rough basalt]

Simulacrums can Wish but both the caster and simulacrum get wish sickness

[woven flint]

Me wishing to cast Contingency on myself to cast counterspell when I'm targeted by any spell /silly

[knotty vine]

Just had a wonderful time in barova

[spiral narwhal]

Personally I like to use your simulacrum can't cast spells higher than the spell slot you casted it with

[knotty vine]

In the death house

[eager marsh]

Me trying to cast a healing spell on you and the party and now everyone is dying still

[woven flint]

That's the point

"I'll die anyway!!!!"

[eager marsh]

revivifying you after to beat you up

[knotty vine]

Isnt simulacrum suppose to be a stupid powerful spell

it cost like 1500 gold pieces and takes like 12 hours to cast

[eager marsh]

actually, iirc Manshoon did simulacrum chaining and they all tried to murder his ass

[spiral narwhal]

Yes

[knotty vine]

dispell magic

[eager marsh]

it takes 1k gold and a 12 hour cast. using wish bypasses those

[stray atlas]

was I ghost pinged here?

[knotty vine]

or anti magic field

[eager marsh]

its also metagaming to know a simulacrum is a simulacrum

[woven flint]

I think it's uncertain wether the real manshoon is even still alive

[tall vessel]

Hello

[woven flint]

Or, at least, the original body

[eager marsh]

he very well could have been simulacrum replaced like Acererak was

[spiral narwhal]

I was planning to make simulacrum factory so I can have 50 of them

[knotty vine]

The duplicate is a creature, partially real and formed from ice or snow????

How is that meta gaming

[woven flint]

Yeah, how the hell DID ...

I was gonna ask how Acererak did that..
But he's Acererak.

[eager marsh]

formed from ice and snow but visually looks the part

[rough basalt]

Cause he wanted to

[knotty vine]

Acererak is the only non humanoid that can cast sumulacrum

[eager marsh]

you dont know its made of snow until it breaks

Sazz Tam and Halaster have simulacrums all the time being mistaken for them

[woven flint]

It's literally because he's Acererak lmao

[knotty vine]

Pretty sure thats impossible

[spiral narwhal]

Also disguise self is broken

[rough basalt]

My answer would be the caster bbeg puts AMF fields in his dungeon cause he scryed you simulacrum chaining. /hj

[eager marsh]

Acererak has a permit. It says he does what he wants

[fossil hollow]

just not tax evasion

[knotty vine]

Szass I mean

[fossil hollow]

DRS Still wants him for evading his taxes in his estate

[woven flint]

Acererak is the chadliest person unalive.

[umbral girder]

Yeah he kills Drow Warlocks

[knotty vine]

wasnt he like the second person ever to become a lich

[woven flint]

Man.. c'mon man..

[eager marsh]

He canonically has simulacrums. Him not being a humanoid is irrelevant. Magic Aura can alter targetting but also Tam controls the Thay weave anchor. he can just break magic rules the way Halaster does

[fossil hollow]

wait what

[umbral girder]

Tokii plays a Drow Warlock and is in Acererak’s dungeon right now

[knotty vine]

magic aura doesnt work like that in 2014

[eager marsh]

doesnt matter anymore. but the weave anchor statement is always true

[umbral girder]

Too bad not in 2014 anymore

[woven flint]

NPCs can break the fundamental rules of the game btw :]

[knotty vine]

The statblock that Szass uses is

[rough basalt]

NPCs do whatever they want

[knotty vine]

And it hasnt been updated

[eager marsh]

Halaster and Szass Tam can legally bypsass magic rules due to their conditions

[woven flint]

Mizzet can concentrate on two spells.

No other mortal being alive can do that

[knotty vine]

Nor will it ever be since it was for one adventur for AL

[eager marsh]

also the stat block not being updated means the old one is merely treated as the current stat block

[knotty vine]

Szass can

[eager marsh]

Demogorgon

[knotty vine]

Wait mortal

[woven flint]

He's not alive nor mortal.

[woven flint]

Again, he's not Mortal.

[knotty vine]

I dont think the demogorogon is a mortal

[eager marsh]

if you kill him in the abyss he is

[woven flint]

Mizzet IS a mortal. Flatly

[paper portal]

Erm chronurgy wizards can't really

[knotty vine]

Even if you kill demogorgon in the abyss he just gets replaced by the gaping maw (spoiler thats him)

[eager marsh]

Still genuinely disapointed they didnt have Niv Mizzet learn about Planeswalkers and literally create an artificial Spark for himself

it would have been hype

[woven flint]

They're not concentrating on both spells :p

[paper portal]

Yeah that's why I said can't :3

[knotty vine]

The demogorgon will just come back

[woven flint]

Congratulations folks, you tried to misprove me but were all incorrect due to the wording of my statement, silence. /joking /silly /no hard feelings

[eager marsh]

eating Tokii alive for dinner

[limber trail]

Disprove

[paper portal]

would

[fossil hollow]

I thought Tokii died for a second

[umbral girder]

Soon

[woven flint]

No.
Misprove.
Because I said so.

(I know it's disprove, I'm just Aura farming)

[fossil hollow]

As someone who tried to drain tokii with a dolguant, hes not very tasty

[knotty vine]

Dolguant?

[woven flint]

A lot of things want to drain me for some reason.
It scares me.

[paper portal]

You're a wet sopping lad with NO aura

[fossil hollow]

Mishappen hobgoblin warped by abberations in Eberron

[umbral girder]

A Kraken ate Tokii last session

[knotty vine]

You guys have the strangest games

[woven flint]

That's not what Bahamut said when I made him my manwife

[knotty vine]

you guys have the strangest games

[knotty vine]

You did what now

[woven flint]

It's because I'm in them

[umbral girder]

Bahamut with his peak Deception check on Tokii

[knotty vine]

I wish I could watch without being judged

[paper portal]

The author's poorly disguised uh

[jovial talon]

What godless nonsense have I stumbled into

[knotty vine]

Wdym theres plenty of gods

[fossil hollow]

Not in Eberron

[woven flint]

What?
I have the favor of plenty of deities

[umbral girder]

Tbh that wasn't the goal, it was in the module and I went with it.
I has nothing to do with my- /jk

[knotty vine]

Im I even in Ti's server anymore

[fossil hollow]

The kraken isnt in my server

[woven flint]

Yes.

[eager marsh]

is the kraken in the room with us now?

[fossil hollow]

me

[woven flint]

I'm the Kraken

[knotty vine]

I think I was suppose to be in one of the games but I left for reasons

[fossil hollow]

i dont rember why

[woven flint]

I'm still reeling that I said
Mizzet is the only MORTAL that can concentrate on two spells and got two immortal creatures thrown at me as rebuke 💀

Evil Cackling

[fossil hollow]

He's teh GOAT of Ravnica for a reason

how Nicol Bolas killed him, i have no idea. Plot Knife i guess

[woven flint]

You joked about Mizzet and Malaketh meeting one time because they have 30 Intelligence

[knotty vine]

I never thought of Mizzet being morrtal

[fossil hollow]

I should make a CR 30 Living Guildpact version of Niv Mizzet

[limber trail]

My buddy Steve can

[fossil hollow]

i should make the new greaser concentrate on grease twice

[limber trail]

He’s dead

[knotty vine]

Greater grease

[fossil hollow]

the next one

[limber trail]

It won’t be as funny the second time

[woven flint]

Mortal enough to be killed once and die forever ig

[fossil hollow]

Hes alive again

[woven flint]

Oh?

[fossil hollow]

He serves as the Guildpact as of right now

[woven flint]

Epic

Imma go find him and smooch him

[limber trail]

The greaser is quite literally a fine paste

[fossil hollow]

theres more

how many times have you put a greaser on the map

theres that many greasers, and more

[limber trail]

Other goblins can cast grease

[woven flint]

This is your fault, Knemesis.

[limber trail]

But there’s only one greaser

[knotty vine]

Can I turn Tokii into a fiend with magic aura and then trap him in my book

[woven flint]

Nah.

[knotty vine]

Why not

[woven flint]

I'm immune to magical effects

[knotty vine]

What if I said it wasnt magical

[woven flint]

I'm immune to effects

[knotty vine]

Damn

I cant do anything

Honestly

I wanna be a gold fish

[limber trail]

So that’s what kind of a fiend you are

[knotty vine]

Aint no way

[fossil hollow]

speaking of fiends.

My paladin is downed from a Lamia's Corrupting Strike

[knotty vine]

A what now

[fossil hollow]

lamia

[knotty vine]

Snake people>

[fossil hollow]

this one is the half lion bottom half

the lion centaur fiend

[knotty vine]

oh interesting

[cloud forge]

I thought those were naga?

[knotty vine]

Lamia can also be snake people

[cloud forge]

Coolio

[woven flint]

Nagas are just giant snake monsters and typically aren't humanoid.

[fossil hollow]

yeah, Lamia are typically snake people

[woven flint]

You're thinking Gorgons.

[fossil hollow]

in DnD, theyre lion centaur fiends

[knotty vine]

Huh cool

[umbral girder]

Marriliths are the Top half ladies and bottom half snakes I believe

[knotty vine]

Yeah but they changed the art in 2024

[empty thicket]

how big we are talking?

big like a bull or big like an elephant?

[umbral girder]

Yeah now they can be a dude for their top half

[knotty vine]

https://www.dndbeyond.com/monsters/5195117-marilith they look more ston elike and less human like

[umbral girder]

Large creature so smaller than an elephant

[empty thicket]

okey, so isnt that "big and dangerous" just dangerous

[knotty vine]

I honestly forget just how big elephants are

[empty thicket]

and easier to flank//set on AOE spells

[umbral girder]

So likely bigger than a horse but smaller than an Elephant

[knotty vine]

I mean the max size for medium is like 8ft tall

and the smallest large is also 8ft

[fossil hollow]

I died

[knotty vine]

I think the max size for large is 16ft dont qutoe me on that

[umbral girder]

Horses are Large so they are 8ft tall/long?

[umbral girder]

The natural order

[knotty vine]

thats tall not wide

[umbral girder]

Horses are 8ft wide?

[knotty vine]

Also horses are just big

[empty thicket]

i remember seeing horses used in wars, giant ones and thick, wish to get one like that in DnD

[paper portal]

squares are 5 feet normally

[umbral girder]

Probably a warhorse

[knotty vine]

horses are 10 x 10

[empty thicket]

Shire horses

[high carbon]

Wrong chat lol

[empty thicket]

big ones that if you put an armor on it, easily would bring Elden Ring PTSD back

[knotty vine]

Large creatures are between 8 and 16 ft tall.

[fossil hollow]

im fairly sure horses get to 8 ft snout to tail

[knotty vine]

prob

Horses are pretty long

[paper portal]

relatable

[fossil hollow]

lmao

anyway folks, should i play a beast master ranger or battle smith artificer

[knotty vine]

I wonder how a playable giant race would work out

[paper portal]

Battlesmith imo

[umbral girder]

Beastmaster Ranger

You have more hit points

[knotty vine]

I still think its weird the most non human like player options we got are centaur and thri kreen

[umbral girder]

Plasmoid moment

[paper portal]

That would explain why I like thri kreen so much lol

[fossil hollow]

surprisingly, only a 1 point difference between them due to how the stats are spread

[knotty vine]

I forget that the oozes exist

[umbral girder]

Minotaurs

[knotty vine]

Just be tough 🪨

[paper portal]

Health isn't a big deal ngl

[knotty vine]

Still decently human shaped

[umbral girder]

Locatha or what ever it's name is

[knotty vine]

Have you seen a minotaur?

[umbral girder]

So are thrikreen

[paper portal]

Irl? Can't say I have

[umbral girder]

and half a centaur

[knotty vine]

Thri kreen are monstrosities and have 4 arms instead the normal two

[fossil hollow]

Plasmoid be like

[knotty vine]

Plasmoid cant have more like in 5e

as funny as that would be

[fossil hollow]

still the most unhumanoid of them all

literal blob

[knotty vine]

True

I still wanna know what "goblinoid" does

[fossil hollow]

its like monster tags, if something references goblinoid, it interacts with it

[knotty vine]

I dont think ive ever seen an effect that targets goblins

[woven flint]

Goblin Blast does

[fossil hollow]

no, its usually magic items i think

[knotty vine]

Goblin blast

[umbral girder]

I think Barghest have an ability for Goblinoids

[fossil hollow]

if they eat one they get stronger i think

[umbral girder]

Ah no it’s a Humanoid or Fey

[knotty vine]

so goblin is just there to be there

[umbral girder]

I mainly remember them as Goblin hunting demons

[fossil hollow]

They are

[knotty vine]

Goblinoid as a type I mean

Doesnt really do anything

[fossil hollow]

I think they just expanded the creature type to also hit other PCs

[woven flint]

Bogey when Barghest

[fossil hollow]

I should send one

i should send a goblinoid kill squad

[knotty vine]

im talking about this btw
. You are also considered a goblinoid for any prerequisite or effect that requires you to be a goblinoid.

What effects!

[fossil hollow]

yeah, thats gonna be for magic items largely

[warm oriole]

I’m making a binder for my dnd character does anyone have suggestions on what I’d should have

[knotty vine]

There are NONE

[umbral girder]

Human Fighter

[knotty vine]

not a single magic item that mentions goblinoids

[empty thicket]

a binder? what is that?

[fossil hollow]

there is, but its third party

[knotty vine]

I dont count 3rd party but tell me

[fossil hollow]

Exploring Eberron, its a goblinoid artifact

[knotty vine]

What

[woven flint]

Mind Goblins.

[umbral girder]

It’s a container for papers used in schools

[empty thicket]

400 baboons

[knotty vine]

smite

[empty thicket]

yeah but what would be in this context

[umbral girder]

The 3 holes in notebook paper are for binders

[umbral girder]

Something to store character sheets in

[empty thicket]

im lost ngl

[knotty vine]

Im found

[limber trail]

Hi found 👋

[knotty vine]

Hi Knome

[umbral girder]

Campaign notes is another useful thing, little summaries of the NPCs you met too can help

Descriptions of complicated features would be good to have

[fossil hollow]

a horn that buffs goblinoids, and also hurts enemy goblinoids

[crimson gulch]

heading into a Nat 40 level encounter with my tyrrany of dragons group tonight, had a 2 week hiatus because i took a vacation and now they are so ready

[fossil hollow]

im still praying for them

[limber trail]

What are they up against?

[warm oriole]

Thank you this is my first dnd game so I wasn’t sure what I’d need

[umbral girder]

Get names of quest givers and what they promise as a reward

[crimson gulch]

adullt white dragon plus vampire nightbringer plus archmage plus 10 cultist fanatics

[woven flint]

The level 6 group of 4 I'm in managed to handle an Adult White Dragon without casualties
It was close though lol

Needless to say, the group was surprised to be alive

I'm the only Frontliner in the group and I'm surprised I'm alive more than anything lol

[fossil hollow]

... so many ways to paralyze, you fiend

[woven flint]

Our Bard actually ended up killing it with Spirit Gaurdians (lore bard)

[limber trail]

Vampire nightbringers are awesome

Ran one a couple weeks back, utter freak of a vampire

[crimson gulch]

this is a level 9 group of 5 and this is 5360 EXP worth of monsters, per player, just over double hard, so the perfect nat 40 encounter

[umbral girder]

Yeah I used a modified Vampire Nightbringer to use as a Mannanagal.

[fossil hollow]

i cant believe i missed that session still

[woven flint]

I can't believe you left Sovis to fend for himself smh.

[umbral girder]

Me trying to figure out when I can fit them in next, then you leave the campaign after that

[fossil hollow]

not my fault life was kicking me in the [Redacted] in that time

[umbral girder]

Strahd using a group of Mannanagals was an encounter that is for sure

[fossil hollow]

can i report him for cultural appropriation

[umbral girder]

He casted Counterspell

[fossil hollow]

Someone at WoTC thought a Fire Elemental and Lamia is a valid boss fight against level 3s in a cramped tower

[umbral girder]

Crazy boss fight

[fossil hollow]

Sam let me control the lamia :D

[lavish flame]

I still shudder at the Old Bonegrinder map in Curse of Strahd. That thing can fit like 4 people in it MAX

[fossil hollow]

were at a 3/4 TPK

oh god the Fire Elemental still has 100 ft to run

caught up to the rogue, might be a tpk

TPK

[umbral girder]

I'm curious what adventure you are playing

[fossil hollow]

Sam's running a homebrew calimshan campaign mostly using the FR book adventures

[vagrant notch]

Does anyone use dungeondraft here? I want to erase the window but it just doesn't want to let me do that,

[humble cairn]

Oh nooo! 💀 I'm seeing the Hall of the Dead fill up as I eat breakfast.

[fossil hollow]

#dnd-maps might know

[fossil hollow]

rip my genies paladin 😭

[vagrant notch]

👍

[peak pecan]

Who else was slain by the Elemental/Lamia combo?

[fossil hollow]

everyone

Dragonborn Moon Druid
Human Thief Rogue
Goliath Battlemaster Fighter

[meager fractal]

solid party

oh that's a death list O_O

[peak pecan]

RIP Team Ti-Moth

[real gale]

In the homebrew game I’m playing I got 6 players at lv 11. I haven’t had much loot sprinkled through my dungeon so I’m giving each player an item that can help them.
I need an item for the open hand monk and the guardian paladin.

Any ideas. I don’t want the items to be just weapons. I also don’t want items that can’t be somewhat useful during combat.

One item for my warlock removes his sight so he can’t see colors or shapes but he now has blindsight and slight tremor sense. Useful in combat and plenty strong but not just damage.

[empty thicket]

Eldritch claw tattoo for the monk(?)

its something simple but okey and giga work well for that class

[humble cairn]

Dragonhide Belt is also good for monks.

[empty thicket]

and for the paladin Rod of Retribution

[real gale]

Funny enough I’ve already given him that item. At the start of the campaign when they were lv 9 I let them buy stuff and since he wasn’t buying armor or weapons he asked for that

[empty thicket]

it kinda go with the "guardian" vibes

[umbral girder]

With a lineup like that I can see it happening

[limber trail]

For monks there's so many:

• Dragonhide belt
• Eldritch Claw Tattoo
• Wraps of unarmed Power
• Bracers of Defence
  All of these go great

[empty thicket]

......okey that upset me
400 baboons towards you or smt

[fossil hollow]

rolled stats dont help either

[humble cairn]

Ew, rolled stats.

[empty thicket]

Winged boots or smt like that? for mobility

[limber trail]

Paladins, a really fun one I've wanted to give a paladin is the Devotee's Censer from TCoE

Necklace of Prayer Beads is a more spellcastery item which is always cool

[fossil hollow]

im lucky for this one, i think i got the best set:

• 14, 14, 12, 12, 11, 7

[umbral girder]

7 in con for a Wizard

[fossil hollow]

nah, 7 went straight to STR

[umbral girder]

Why not 6 with it?

[fossil hollow]

decided to copy Koa though :3 Not a small boy (hobgoblin), but WIS based beast master :3

[humble cairn]

As your next character?

Yay! Wisdom Beast Master! Lots of fun!

[fossil hollow]

yeap!

[humble cairn]

I did some really fun stuff with Hobgoblin and the Harper Agent Feats.

[real gale]

Ive got an idea. A command stick. Once a day you can smack someone with the stick and it auto casts command on them with any word you choose. Their ac is what you need for it to hit. No wisdom save. I love command but it’s always hard to use because most creatures you come across have good wisdom saves. I think thematically this would be fun for the paladin

[fossil hollow]

I was tempted to go with it, but the stat increases arent what i need
But i do have some play with Emerald Enclave

[empty thicket]

put command stick in a quaterstaff, now you have a command spear

[fossil hollow]

Enspelled Staff does the trick

[humble cairn]

The Origin Feat is just straight up you can talk to animals all the time forever, basically.

[scenic valley]

Yo I have a campaign idea but I need 2 people (dms)

[fossil hollow]

Again. #find-a-game

[scenic valley]

It didn't work

[fossil hollow]

did you read the instructions?

[umbral girder]

Wrong channel

[fathom path]

2025 find familiar.

I just realised I can use a spell slot to cast it for 1 hour.

Or ritual which takes 1 hour and 10 minutes.

[umbral girder]

Yes

Same as 2014 Find Familiar too

[fathom path]

So with the spell slot to use find familiar from the Magic innate is kind of useless? unless I want to get breakfast 10mins earlier?

[umbral girder]

Yeah takes a lot of time

[meager fractal]

why don't goats have a climb speed

[past blaze]

well
they vanish when reduced to 0hp

[meager fractal]

is it to prevent find familiar shenanigans

[fathom path]

Yep, just wondering what to do with that spell slot in find familiar.

[livid brook]

are there any Strength based Archer classes i can multiclass with rune knight

[umbral girder]

After the incident changes had to be made /jk

[limber trail]

Archery isn't strength based unfortunately - your ranged attacks with bows use your dex modifier

[umbral girder]

Nope

[livid brook]

doing shenanigans with ballistas

[limber trail]

Ballistae don't use your strength modifier either

[livid brook]

really?

[limber trail]

they have a flat attack roll bonus

[livid brook]

well alright

[limber trail]

I believe +6

And they aren't weapons you can normally use

they require three actions to fire and are generally stationary weapons

[livid brook]

hence shenanigans

Goliath (little giant)-size counts as one size larger for carry purposes
Rune knight Med- Large

[limber trail]

the closest you'll get as an actual weapon is a heavy crossbow which is dex based

[limber trail]

it's not about size, it's about the physical function of them

they require three actions to fire

[livid brook]

i know, i worked something out with my dm as he thought it was funny lol

[limber trail]

What I would suggest is you use a heavy crossbow mechanically, and you just flavour it as your character carrying a ballista

[livid brook]

but alr. no multiclass

[vagrant notch]

A level 3 party with 8 players on it definitely can handle 6 goblin, 3 hobgoblin, and 1 shaman goblin right?

[umbral girder]

Add an Adult Green Dragon too /jk

[vagrant notch]

[umbral girder]

A more honest answer is yes that group can handle that

[full blaze]

Is there any way of getting value out of Skulker feat without being a rogue? All the hiding benefits seem pretty cool but having to use my entire action on it makes it feel like a waste

[umbral girder]

Ranger with Nature's Mantle

Or just sneak before combat

[empty thicket]

depend, you are any class that could use any sneak? aka ranger, monk with stealth or some caster with invisibility?

[full blaze]

I was thinking of trying to do it as a support (mainly buff oriented) wizard

[empty thicket]

so kinda cast haste and hide? throw some fire bolt from time to time

[full blaze]

Yeah its just that casting any verbal (most) spells would reveal me wouldnt it?

[limber trail]

If you’re a goblin I believe you can hide as a bonus action

[limber trail]

You can cast a spell and then hide

[empty thicket]

or cast the spell in a hidden position

[feral fulcrum]

A group of 8 guys can handle vastly more then a typial party of like, four.

Action Economy goes brrrrr

[empty thicket]

such big groups are... problematic to work with

too much classes, too much players

like with just 2 fighters you have already 2 actions surges so 2 players can play 4 turns in one round

[vagrant notch]

Fi you only can choose one offensive cantrip which one that youll use, firebolt or toll the dead

[empty thicket]

firebolt, a classic

[woven flint]

I like attack roll cantrips more than saving throw cantrips for certain.
UNLESS you're an Evocation Wizard, saving throw cantrips just... do nothing if the enemy succeeds
But, saving throw cantrips also have pretty nice effects.
You just gotta guess what an enemy is BAD at.

Mind Sliver for example, is pretty nice because its an INT save and is a typical weakness for a good amount of monsters

it also does psychic damage which isn't resisted a lot typically

[vagrant notch]

Yeah i love that cantrip, its a nice one to setup your next attack

[craggy summit]

Saving throw cantrips are very fun, but sorcerous burst my beloved 🥰

[woven flint]

I think the WORST cantrip is Word of Radiance
Its a 5 foot Emanation from you, which, don't get me wrong, is pretty damn decent.
But its a CON save and thats a pretty good save for a good majority of monsters that want to be close to you

Its a decent low level aoe if you're surrounded by goblins or something but I'd just learn something else when I level up

[feral fulcrum]

And God said. "Save or Suck."

[woven flint]

literally

I kinda wish Word of Radiance was a Wisdom save or something
But, I think that'd unintentionally make it TOO good?

[humble cairn]

And it helps set up for other effects.

[empty thicket]

the risk is being surronded with a caster so...

[woven flint]

I mean, its a Cleric only Cantrip

unless you take the blessed warrior fighting style then you can have it on your pally

Clerics and Melee are just fine, really

[craggy summit]

Ehh, it'd encourage the cleric to charge and be surrounded by enemies 😅

[humble cairn]

Spirit Guardians says hi.

[empty thicket]

cant have it too with magic initiate?

[woven flint]

Looks at Spirit Gaurdians

[craggy summit]

I kinda do agree tho, especially bc i feel like clerics have pretty bad damage cantrips

[woven flint]

You can, but its not worth taking lol

[craggy summit]

Well that atleast has the killing power and range to compensate 😅

[empty thicket]

not yet

[woven flint]

That is true!
Maybe something releases that could make it worth taking Word of Radiance at some point

[humble cairn]

If I already have SG up and I have one or two other enemies that look almost dead, Word of Radiance might be worth more than a Disengage Action.

[craggy summit]

If the range was maybe 10 feet but the damage was 1d4 maybe?

[woven flint]

That may be true, but it also encourages dangerous positioning in a sense

[woven flint]

you want to be close to use it afterall

[craggy summit]

It would be yeah actually 🤔

[woven flint]

or you want to be in tight quarters

[humble cairn]

Spirit Guardian Holy Lawnmower does so much work against hordes of weaker creatures.

[craggy summit]

Spirit guardian lawn mowing carried me through act 2 of BG3 😅

[humble cairn]

Even better if you have a mount, so you don't need to worry about Disengage.

[empty thicket]

yeah that is the problem

or better said, a point of view

i would say "you want to use it when enemies surround you"

[woven flint]

Back to this, while it WOULD be a good argument for any other caster, Clerics that want to go melee can have Heavy Armor and therefore acsess to some of the best armor in the game

[empty thicket]

because with some common sense you wont be gifting yourself

[empty thicket]

if you are going that kind of cleric, you wont use word of radiance

that is the problem

[woven flint]

Yes, the problem isn't it being a close range cantrip though.

its being a bad cantrip.

Targets one of the most commonly strongest enemy saves.

[empty thicket]

low damage, make it a 1d8 and maybe would be seen different, 1d12 for having a save too

i like to think things like
It have a save? so dont be scared of putting high damages on it
It can be dodged by AC? normal kinds of damage
Non dodgeable, not so big damage

[humble cairn]

So it's not great for single target tough enemies, it's for multiple weaker enemies that are surrounding you.

If you're surrounded by stirges it can be useful.

[woven flint]

Its a spell that has warrants, but you also don't want to typically be in a situation where you want to use it

[empty thicket]

and that is another thing, its a save for dodge all damage, not even just half it

[woven flint]

though, potentially doing damage is better than just repositioning (kind of)

[humble cairn]

Clerics have .. three damaging cantrips to their name.

[empty thicket]

at highest is 4d6 + any extra you want to add X 4, so if you had the biggest luck trip in your life, you can do 128 radiant damage around you

[woven flint]

All of which are saves 😭

[empty thicket]

next second you are getting struck by a lighting and dying irl

or a meteorite

[humble cairn]

Word of Radiance is literally the only area cantrip on their list.

[woven flint]

My Cleric has Wizard magic intitate from the sage background (he's a knowledge cleric)
So he has shocking grasp and ray of frost.. and shield lol

[humble cairn]

Clerics also only have 9 Cantrips total and eventually get access to 5 of them. If you're very combat oriented you probably just take Word of Radiance because you're low on options.

[woven flint]

you know... Clerics really SHOULD have access to an attack roll cantrip naturally

Though, I will say, At least Toll the Dead and Sacred Flame are pretty decent

[humble cairn]

Saving throws are statistically more likely to "hit" than attack rolls, aren't they?

[craggy summit]

or make sacred flame a d10

[empty thicket]

Sacred flame is okey, sadly is a Dext and sometimes is annoying

[woven flint]

I, personally, find myself hitting more with Attack rolls than save cantrips

[empty thicket]

but in compensation of not so good cantrips cleric get one of the best early lvl 1 spells

Guiding bolt

[humble cairn]

Bless?

Oh Guiding Bolt, yeah that's a good one.

[woven flint]

Cleric has one of the best spell lists in general tbh

[empty thicket]

that too

[craggy summit]

tbf there's alot of good level 1 cleric spells and the buffs to healing word makes it even better

[empty thicket]

Yep, that is the thing with them

[woven flint]

Bless, Guiding Bolt, Spirit Guardians
Hell, you COULD consider Shield of Faith as a decent buff to you or your martials early level

[empty thicket]

you cant give them too consistent cantrips because they have already giga good spells

[woven flint]

+2 AC for concentration on someone isn't that bad tbh

At least at early levels

[craggy summit]

And it's a bonus action iirc too, no?

[empty thicket]

oh and they get spare the dying too

[woven flint]

Yes!

[empty thicket]

a good support cantrip to considerate

[woven flint]

AND
War Cleric can cast it without concentration for a channel divinity but you can't cast it multiple times on your whole party and its only for one minute , but thats STILL kinda good lol

[craggy summit]

I know there's MUCH better spells to have concentration on later on, but shield of faith is such a good first level spell, especially if you got a fighter, barbarian or paladin that's Frontlining

[empty thicket]

Divine order give you either martial weapons and H. Armor

[woven flint]

I think Paladins also luckily get it

[empty thicket]

so you have close combat options

[craggy summit]

I wanna say so? I'm not 100% sure

[empty thicket]

if not you can get a good bonus in arcana and religion

[woven flint]

they do!
I double checked just now

maybe I should put it on my paladin since I plan on doing two-weapon fighting with him

and we're going to be in ROTFM lol

[craggy summit]

And there isn't really too many great concentration spells for paladin so it's a good pickup!

Atleast in comparison to cleric lol

[humble cairn]

Luckily Paladins can swap out spells, so you can try out different things without much trouble.

[woven flint]

Alas, I'm going Vengence Paladin when and IF he surivives and gets to level 3, so I'm probably gonna be using Hunters Mark a fair bit

[empty thicket]

that is a thing i find interesting to support my way to see the things

[meager fractal]

What spells should I be targeting my allies with as an order cleric?

[humble cairn]

Pairs nicely with light weapons.

[humble cairn]

Bless, for one.

[woven flint]

Healing Spells, Bless, etc

[craggy summit]

Heals as needed, bless

[woven flint]

Shield of Faith was a good one that we mentioned

[empty thicket]

Paladin 1 use spells (Divine smite)
Ranger concentration spells mostly (Hunter's mark)
Even with their signature spells

[empty thicket]

bless, heals

[woven flint]

Rangers looking at Vengence Paladin for copying their flow bar by bar /joking

[empty thicket]

target enemies with guiding bolt depending of what the Martials want to attack first

that Adv for the rogue help a LOT.

[humble cairn]

Have you considered throwing your weapons?

[umbral girder]

Ranger looking at Vengeance Paladin
“You need to use spell slots for that?”

[humble cairn]

I can recommend thrown weapons Paladin, at least for 2024 rules. It was quite fun!

[woven flint]

I DID, but I'd probably play a different character.
The one I'm playing wants to be.. very personal, if you understand my meaning lol

[humble cairn]

Ahh yes, you're a habitual meleeist, right.

[woven flint]

Guilty as Charged

though, my Ranger is indeed a RANGE-r
He only has a +1 to con.

[craggy summit]

Can you smite on thrown weapons? Because that'd be funny to imagine a paladin raising their blade and charging it with divine energy, only to YEET it at an enemy

[woven flint]

Yes

[limber trail]

Artanza isn’t super melee either

[craggy summit]

That's amazing omg 💀

[woven flint]

No, he isn't but I plan on him getting closer.
He has 19 AC and the Shield spell, I think it'd be fair for him to sit with Spirit Gaurdians around Hokrun and Toby

also, now he has a +3 con and Proficency in Con saves

I think he'd be fine

[empty thicket]

Or using spears//javelins
"Guide my spear with accuracy and give me strength to pierce the hearths of the heretics" kind of thing

[humble cairn]

In 2024 yes.

[woven flint]

If anyone grapples him, he'll just spirit gaurdians or use his once per day free misty step to get away

[craggy summit]

Now see that's cool, but I wanna do something silly like pick up a bucket, charge it with a smite and throw it at someone 💀

[humble cairn]

I played a Light Hammer/Trident throwing Paladin. It was great! I love a ranged Topple.

[woven flint]

Ophidimancer knows me well, I just love slapping stuff up close lmao

My Fighter, Pugilist (duh), Warlock, Artificer and Paladin are ALL Melee Builds lmao

[flint ledge]

That seems like a very cool scene

[limber trail]

If only the monk had the grappler feat and a very mobile playstyle 😔 oh well

[woven flint]

The only ones who won't fight up close are my Cleric (Which might change)
Bard (12 AC) and Ranger (+1 Con)

Hell, I've played a Sorcerer with 11 AC who wasn't afraid of people getting close to him

But I don't want my first bard in a while to get absolutely bodied lmao

[limber trail]

Oh wait you mean grapple in that sense

[woven flint]

well, my Sorcerer was strange... .11 AC, No Mage Armor, No Shield, just a menace to society whom doesn't bleed (Entity from the far realms made of cosmic dust, the party was shocked when they saw his true form for the first time lmao)

He was going to murder a king because he thought the King was hypnotizing one of his party members and it reminded him of Mindflayers (the party member was just really loyal but talked him down even though they heard bad things about that king)

He was an Aasimar fellow named Z'hass Xolba,
He was an aberrant mind sorc

I should bring him back one day

he was 100% incapable of empathy but was a good person because it was expected of him and he respected people regardless

I should play more "Alien Beings" i REALLLY enjoyed roleplaying as him

he had a tendency to copy the accents and mannerisms of his party members as if trying them on for himself because he was genuinely curious about other beings of the multiverse and wanted to be liked to a degree

Nobody caught onto him copying them until the 4th session lol

It seems I've killed the chat by being a chronic yapper 🧐

[empty thicket]

we are fighting the 400 baboons, sorry

[woven flint]

lmao

[umbral girder]

Just got like 60 of them

Hail of Thorns doing work

[flint ledge]

The hell are you doing to those baboons

[empty thicket]

killing them

[flint ledge]

Someone oughta call PETA

[empty thicket]

true, so they cna drop them in the dessert and kill them by themselves

[umbral girder]

so they can steal the XP? Nah.

[solid echo]

if you have a dragonmark as a non caster and take potent dragonmark do you get said spells?

[woven flint]

Yes, but you can only cast it with the potent dragonmark spell slot since, well, you don't typically have spell slots when you're not a caster

[solid echo]

ye okay cause to text from potent says "if any" so i was worried what i was looking forward to wasnt gonna work

[solid echo]

i was worried when i said "if any" if you didnt have spell casting you didnt get the spells and thus potent mark did nothing

[woven flint]

the If any is referring to if you have a spell list, not that its required, if spellcasting was required it would've listed in the feat

[solid echo]

ah okay

thanks 😄

[woven flint]

No worries

[tame kelp]

Can a spellcaster create a spell scroll?

[lavish flame]

yup!

[woven flint]

As long as they have proficency in Arcana, I believe

[lavish flame]

you can spend Downtime scribing a spell scroll in 5e. In 5.5e you need Calligrapher's Tools Proficiency or Arcana Proficiency and you can do it in 1-120 days for a good amount of money depending on the spell level.

[fiery nimbus]

It's the main feature of Maverick arteficer too (usable only by you though)

[woven flint]

Maverick Artificer is also Third Party so not every dm will allow it.

Also, Cartographer Artificer gets proficency with Calligraphy Tools

Proficency in Arcana is easier to get on your casters then going out of the way for the tools, so I'm glad they made it simple instead of requring both to do it

[rapid copper]

Guys is being 1 dmg away from being instantly killed luck or fate?

[woven flint]

Depends on how you spin it.

Typically its just lucky

[lavish flame]

ball up top

[rapid copper]

My character has 33 hp and it got 65 dmg in one hit

[lavish flame]

oh nvm ball not up on top

[woven flint]

Ah, yes, Almost a massive damage death

[lavish flame]

i thought u were still conscious. massive damage death is rough

[woven flint]

They didn't die, it was one away

[lavish flame]

yeah i know

[rapid copper]

Nah, a 12 con fairy sorcerer is rough in terms of surviving hits

[woven flint]

12 con on a Sorcerer is unfathomable for me

[rapid copper]

20 char tho

[woven flint]

Yeah, but.. Con is also important for casters.

Can't cast spells if you're not alive

[rapid copper]

It's my third character on that campaign that now started 2 years ago as my first campaign ever

[feral fulcrum]

Also important for maintaining concentration

[rapid copper]

Can't cast spells if I don't spell slots

[woven flint]

... Cantrips.

[rapid copper]

All 3 characters are alive

[rapid copper]

Last fight all monsters were either fire immune or resistant and my dmg cantrips are fire bolt and acid splash

And acid dmg was not working at all for one type as well

[woven flint]

If you're playing 2024 rules, you should take sorcerous burst

[rapid copper]

2014

[woven flint]

Boo-womp

[rapid copper]

I'm more of a support anyway

Emotional support

[woven flint]

Yeah, uh.. maybe consider pumping your con anyway in the future

[rough basalt]

2014 Sorc. Feels bad man

A class made solely for multiclassing

[rapid copper]

I played so far:
Wizard (order of the scribes)
Rogue (with a homebrew gun)
Sorcerer (this wild magic fairy)

[feral fulcrum]

Scribe Wizard my beleoved

[rapid copper]

All are pure one class

[rapid copper]

It's rn at level 15

[flint ledge]

Average 2014 optimization build: "Now we take a level 1 dip in sorcerer"

[rough basalt]

2014 Sorc pretty much only existed to make other Cha caster classes better lol

[rapid copper]

And recently I got a robe of archmagi for her so she's now more dangerous and a bit tankier when it comes to spells

[woven flint]

More AC typically doesn't matter when you don't have the HP to back it up

[rough basalt]

It's part of one of the reasons I hated 2014

[rapid copper]

I got it purely for offensive and spell save adv

[rough basalt]

How there were "main character classes" and "side character classes"

[woven flint]

Cleric being a mix of both
Best for dipping and good for going whole

[rough basalt]

Main character ones being Fighter, Cleric, Druid, Wizard
Side character ones being Sorc, Monk, ect.

[rapid copper]

Killing 19 innocent villagers with 1 fireball cause I mistook them for cultists is a main character energy right?

[rough basalt]

Nope. You don't have enough class features to be a main character

[woven flint]

Thats.. no?