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austere root
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Outside of heightened the rest are super overrated

short brook
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I think of course both are cracked, but sorcerers RP is my favorite

little basin
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What about arcane recovery or ritual adept

woven flint
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Sorcerers can just do what Arcane Recovery does without taking a Short Rest tbh.
And more often, with Sorcery points

austere root
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Yes, by sacrificing the SP they would've used for metamagic, so it's one feature or the other

woven flint
austere root
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Okay?

woven flint
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You choose to do cool things
Or choose to have more spells!

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But, also, Arcane Recovery is ALSO a Resource, so the point is kinda moot

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That's the ONLY thing Arcane Recovery does.

austere root
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Arcane recovery only does one thing and it's arcane recovery. Using it doesn't cost the oppurtunity to use something else.

woven flint
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That doesn't necessarily mean it's just a straight up better class feature

austere root
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I didn't say that.

noble tusk
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Having less options doesn't sound like a net positive to be honest. The sorcerers options are more appealing to me across the board.

woven flint
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Let's not forget Innate Sorcery
A +1 to your spell save DC and advantage on spell attacks when you turn it on.. for like.. free essentially

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You don't need items for that like wizard does
And it Stacks with items

austere root
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It really needs the 2 sp to get more uses of it trait unless your table does two encounters a day.

woven flint
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It's still a Resource, yeah, but..

austere root
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After that point it's a better use of sorcery points than metamagic and still drawing on the same resource

short brook
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I think what sorcerer loses out on is just the variety the wizard can provide, you just don't get to change your spells as often. Sorcerers really excel at the one thing they're trying to do

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per level up is a pretty tough sell

woven flint
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I think both Classes are incredibly good with their features

Sorcerer just Feels like it has more to do.. which.. in a sense, yeah?

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I'll tell you.
I've played a few Wizards and a Few Sorcerers (2-3 each) and I've always felt better playing Sorcerers personally

short brook
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i agree, metamagic is just peak

woven flint
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Wizards utility is fun!
But it feels like a boring base class in general

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I know
Fun =/= Stronger, but it's a point to consider in an opinionated Topic .
Wizard is, defacto, strongest caster in the game regardless, but it feels so.. clinical

short brook
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oh wow i never read 2024 sorcerer, that level 5 feature is awesome

static nest
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Walloping Ammunition is only in 5.5E or also in 5E? bcs in DDB it confusing

short brook
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wow, they turned the level 20 feature from 2014 to a level 5 feature on 2024. That's how you know some capstones are buns

knotty vine
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Yeah

lavish flame
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So yeah, also 5e

woven flint
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Ah, yes, I looked back and.. yeah, dunh, I remember now šŸ˜­

I was thinking about Arcane Recovery at this point when I was confused

knotty vine
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5.5e stole a lot of things from extended book and threw them in

woven flint
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I just.. never used it because I never really felt the need to tbh šŸ˜­

austere root
short brook
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yeah i can tell šŸ˜­ straight slap in the face for leveling up

austere root
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3-4 spell swaps a day

knotty vine
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The new ranger capstone is stupidly stupid

static nest
woven flint
lavish flame
austere root
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I'm playing a necromancer rn, he moves around spells more

knotty vine
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I like moving around my spells

short brook
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i wanna play a bladesinger ngl

woven flint
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The other 2024 Wizard I played used the Scribes subclass from 2014 lol

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And then, the 2014 Wizard I played was.. also a Scribes Wizard

static nest
woven flint
austere root
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Our days are long

cursive fjord
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Whats the new logo for? Did a book release?

ornate skiff
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Hello I just got here

woven flint
cursive fjord
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Sweet I might have to check it out and see if it's worth buying

reef tundra
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I never got any of the previous Ravenloft books, I'm thinking I'll get this new one

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Also because it has some of my favourite subclasses in it

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-# Oh god I'm gonna be broke by the end of this month šŸ˜­

vernal owl
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the emo logo šŸ”„

woven flint
short brook
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Have y'all got any books that aren't official?

craggy summit
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Like not WOTC published?

stiff rock
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has anyone preordered the ravenloft book yet?

short brook
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ya

knotty vine
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Iā€™m thinking about making an Oni character

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Iā€™m not sure what race that would be

short brook
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Ooo, that's a good one

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probably tiefling tbh.

craggy summit
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Idk if it counts but I got the puglist digital book from dnd beyond

woven flint
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Hmm...

knotty vine
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Yeah but in dnd oni are considered giants weirdly enough

short brook
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ooh, yeah i want to play the pugilist

woven flint
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Goliath would probably be fitting

knotty vine
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I thought so

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Flame or cloud cause they are also about tricky

woven flint
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Or, Firbolg
Since Oni have innate magic as well

knotty vine
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Mhm

vernal owl
woven flint
short brook
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i already backed šŸ˜Ž

woven flint
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šŸ‘€
Firbolg flavored as an Oni

static nest
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How Tabaxi age?

woven flint
craggy summit
short brook
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Some unofficial books are just so interesting to me compared to some official ones

ornate skiff
reef tundra
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Hollow Warden Ranger

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My beloved swamp man

short brook
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yeah, that's exactly why i want to play it. My tielfing monk doesn't fit the monk archetype and more the pugilist archetype

reef tundra
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I really wanna try pugilist one day

short brook
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Ravenloft though is peak, i love the domains of dread so that one i may pick up myself

reef tundra
knotty vine
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I wanna make the more japanase yōkai

woven flint
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A man can dream

ornate skiff
reef tundra
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Theyā€™re apparently finally giving Cthulhu a stat block. And we know what that means

short brook
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i remember that name but not the person lol

reef tundra
woven flint
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Well, you can't kill Dread Lords permanently lol

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That's kind of their whole thing

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Killing them is only a temporary respite

ornate skiff
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Do you prefer combat heavy campaigns or more roleplay/story stuff?

craggy summit
reef tundra
woven flint
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I'm fine with Combat or Roleplay heavy
But, a mix of both is better for the soul

woven flint
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I'd go back to Barovia to kill his ass again

blissful ibex
reef tundra
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Just like many things I do in dnd, I do it all for one thing - for kicks

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Like when I grappled a Tarrasque just because I could

woven flint
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I don't wanna kill Cthulu, because in reality.. they aren't really an Evil being.
Moreso an uncaring force

reef tundra
ornate skiff
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Like full combat gets exhausting and full roleplay can slow things down but when itā€™s balanced it just hits different

short brook
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50/50 is definitely my preferred way

reef tundra
woven flint
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Eldritch Horrors should be above standard moralities tbh
They should have their own Alignments.

Like Glorp and Gleep

knotty vine
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Eldritch horrors just shouldnā€™t have aliments

woven flint
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But seriously, how are we mortals really supposed to put Alignment on beings far above moral quandary, thoughts and standards
They're Unfathomable to us šŸ˜­

ornate skiff
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Like normal alignment system just doesnā€™t fit something thatā€™s beyond human understanding ā€œGlorpā€ and ā€œGleepā€ sound way more accurate than good or evil tbh just pure cosmic nonsense vibes

prime basin
knotty vine
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Think about a sentient ant trying to give an aliment to a human

woven flint
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How WE see them doesn't matter though
They're purely cosmic forces
They don't give a shit one way or another

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Spooky space fellas

knotty vine
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Thereā€™s a reason they are called unfathomable

cedar bane
woven flint
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I'm glorp

knotty vine
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Iā€™m glorp

prime basin
knotty vine
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DANG IT

craggy summit
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im glep (smiling friends)

woven flint
prime basin
woven flint
prime basin
woven flint
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(I'm being an ass, I get your argument 100%)

limber trail
woven flint
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Humans need to mind their own damned buisness

knotty vine
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True

cedar bane
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honestly its pretty easy to fathom

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i do it every week

woven flint
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Stop being a COWARD!

knotty vine
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He ainā€™t wrong

woven flint
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He's just a guy!!!

prime basin
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Canā€™t believe I looked at an entity and my mind broke

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too real

knotty vine
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I wouldnā€™t call the man with tentacles for a face ā€œjust a guyā€

woven flint
knotty vine
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Hes more or less a greater mind flayer

cedar bane
prime basin
cursive fjord
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A mind player is just a creature

knotty vine
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Like way greater

cedar bane
limber trail
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Guy with tentacles is on the tame end of eldritch horror

knotty vine
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Guys donā€™t usually have tentacles

woven flint
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Now be quiet while I play my Cthulu dating Sim /joking

knotty vine
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Found that out the hard way

prime basin
woven flint
cedar bane
limber trail
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(I do think the label of eldritch horror is wildly overapplied to things which arenā€™t really even that eldritch)

cedar bane
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you know its real eldritch horror when theres no description

woven flint
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Arguably not even arguing

blissful ibex
limber trail
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Yeah pretty much

prime basin
# prime basin Arguably not even eldritch horror

Now if you see a guy with tentacles by his mouth, a cyclopian eye, talking to a dead corpse as it is speaking despite having no lower half of a jaw, as he is telepathically communicating to you that you should ā€œjoin him and keep him companyā€ as the back of his skull splits open revealing a massive pulsating heart/brainā€¦that might be eldritch horror

prime basin
cedar bane
limber trail
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I do partially dislike how any ā€œunknown beingā€ in horror is taken to be eldritch by default

prime basin
cedar bane
limber trail
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Itā€™s sometimes seen as a placeholder while the real flavour of horror is being determined which I donā€™t love

severe rampart
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The blast is eldritch, the one casting it is not

limber trail
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itā€™s not eldritch horror itā€™s barely even horror ;-;

severe rampart
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nearly confused Cosmic Horror for Eldritch Horror once

prime basin
cedar bane
severe rampart
prime basin
severe rampart
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Cosmic horror is weirdly a lot of Dr. Seuss books

prime basin
cedar bane
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we should use a ritual to bring him back and figure it out

severe rampart
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on the bright side I got a commission update for them

cedar bane
severe rampart
cedar bane
severe rampart
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last session was also the session we used the Gnome Flinger for the first time

cedar bane
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do enlighten me on such contraptions

severe rampart
viral kraken
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ah well there's that at least

cedar bane
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does it work on halflings?

viral kraken
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gno

severe rampart
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It's moreso a trebuchet

severe rampart
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Ah forgive me, I mispelled it, Knome Flinger

cedar bane
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me on a thursday morning

severe rampart
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it is quite late, just doing some session prep

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(the session is in 4 days.)

limber trail
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Please do not fling me

cedar bane
knotty vine
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/fling @limber trail

severe rampart
cedar bane
limber trail
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Darn

woven flint
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HEY
Only I can Fling him
He's my sworn...
Knemesis!

severe rampart
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Tokii is up to... Knome good

limber trail
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Iā€™d really like just not being flung

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Is that ok

woven flint
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Knome, you're my nemesis, you will not be flung

knotty vine
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/fling @woven flint and @severe rampart

woven flint
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Nah

severe rampart
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The Knome Flinger is fun

woven flint
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I'm a deity, you can't fling me, bro

severe rampart
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it comes with its own parachute

knotty vine
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You can fling gods

woven flint
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Nuh uh.

umbral girder
woven flint
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You can't fling ME in particular

knotty vine
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My fling ability isnā€™t a spell

severe rampart
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they can't me me?

knotty vine
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I can just do that

woven flint
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I don't care, I just can't be flung

severe rampart
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Nystul's Magic Aura

blissful ibex
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anything can be flung if it's not huge or bigger c:

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Repelling Blast go brrrrrrrrrrrrrr

severe rampart
knotty vine
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My ability to fling can work on anything

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It just pushes them away 10ft

umbral girder
woven flint
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PLEASE throw that Balor at us, I'm READY to throw hands\

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My parties gonna hate me lol

umbral girder
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6d8+8d6+16+9d10 damages on Sovis' location.

knotty vine
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I love the crusher feat

blissful ibex
stiff rock
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is there any info on whether or not the lupin will be a lycanthrope, or just a canine race?

blissful ibex
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a proper canine race would be nice, we're missing one and we already have shifter

stiff rock
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i'd love a canine version of a tabaxi where it's just a humanoid canine

knotty vine
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Dog

tribal night
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Dawg race

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Oh god my game isn't fully loaded

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so I have white wyll, this is so cursed šŸ˜­

woven flint
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Pathfinder has dog people called Shoony
They're cute :>

stiff rock
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kobolds in dungeon meshi are also really cute

tribal night
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Owlbear cub for the win

lean wigeon
keen kestrel
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So whoā€™s hype for some subclasses getting updated this June

cedar bane
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i do love me some subclasses being updated in june

woven flint
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What subclasses are getting updated?

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OH

cedar bane
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the spooky and devious ones

woven flint
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I realized immedietly

plucky sentinel
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Question from my druid.
If they wildshape into a cow, can they be milked?

cedar bane
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that is up to you and god

ornate skiff
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Also, Shoony are kinda perfect for that idea, I didnā€™t even think of Pathfinder stuff for it lol

lean wigeon
bronze wave
turbid vessel
tribal night
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Wait wrong game

prime pewter
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Making your own setting is fun (not building cities just generally making them)

cedar bane
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it is indeed

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i can put things places and go wow

prime pewter
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Yea, I can say "solar system actually orbits the moon". And it creates fun opportunities for world building

valid geyser
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worldbuilding is a drug for a lot of DMs

steel whale
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I doubt this is gonna apply to like almost any characters though šŸ˜­

lean wigeon
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worldbuilding is when i create my political powerfantasy

patent ember
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how often do you all play dnd?

lean wigeon
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8

patent ember
lavish flame
turbid vessel
lean wigeon
turbid vessel
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It helps because no DM has to prepare for every single week, and it keeps the theme and story of each week fresh

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Most of the time it's 2 separate game systems too

craggy summit
patent ember
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Currently im not playing dnd, i had to leave my group which i still feel bad for.

rough basalt
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Once I'm easing out of dnd I wanna start running other systems

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DnD is a good reliable

turbid vessel
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Usually I'm up for 2 games a week but since getting into grad school I've had to SEVERELY rebalance my time and schedule šŸ˜­

rough basalt
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Rn i wanna but I'm just still a bit too attached to dnd

patent ember
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I feel like i want to try more rpg systems or different themes? im not sure how to get back into dnd or if i should focus more on me?

cedar bane
patent ember
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i feel like iim missing out.

rough basalt
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I play 3 times a week

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2 DM, 1 player

jolly canyon
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1dm 1 player for me woo!

patent ember
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do you all do online or in-person dnd?

jolly canyon
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Or rather... 1 DM and 1 Player/DM? It's weird cause it's a Westmarch and I choose when I'm either

jolly canyon
cedar bane
patent ember
rough basalt
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IRL aint an option atm

vast saddle
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Guys, good news. I'm already allowed to be on my server's West Marches again digital_waaa

plucky sentinel
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Can you chop of parts of the wildshaped druid and consume it?

vast saddle
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For what?

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I know some DMs allow it

plucky sentinel
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Instead of rations

severe rampart
woven flint
severe rampart
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Cut off a hand: Hand is missing

woven flint
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I wouldn't do it either because its still cannibalism and you're still considered Humanoid or whatever your creature tag WAS before wildshape

still plover
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Very much a DM's call but first it would be a question of table tone. I don't know I'd like to play in a game like that.

severe rampart
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I mean, if the table is counting rations

plucky sentinel
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Can a wildshaped druid (cow) eat grass instead of thier rations?

woven flint
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Wildshape says nothing about it mechanically, so, not unless your dm allows it

still plover
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Out of my personal stable of characters, thinking of the half-dozen or so I have in mind, only one of them would even consider it and that's because she has the insatiable hunger of a demon shark.

woven flint
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A lot of the questions you're asking is

"Not mechanically, but ask your dm" tbh

knotty cipher
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Hey guys, if your doing a irl party and u like visuals like i do
You get get magnetic cubes for rly cheep like 10-20 euros for 200 blocks
Get like 3-4 diferent colors and u can quickly make a dungeon room
that would honestly be rly damn epic to do

ive tried to find a place that sells single collored magnetic blocks but i cant find any soo if you guys could help id be gratefull

glossy otter
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ngl all I could think is amazon

knotty cipher
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i tried but its all minecraft

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let me try again

still plover
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Stickers or paint, perhaps?

knotty cipher
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waaaaayyyyy to expencive (20 for 45 pieces)

glossy otter
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Wait, ali express is an authorized link?

knotty cipher
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im honestly impressed you can even send any link but aperently yes

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also when u copy the link from aliexpresss you only need to copy intil the .html
everything else (the thing making it super big block of text) is tracking so just dont copy it

glossy otter
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Some links are authorized but they're mostly connected with dnd such as FR wiki, DDB and such

knotty cipher
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maybe for shareing arts and craft stuff

valid geyser
glossy otter
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Ah

knotty cipher
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that makes total sence

valid geyser
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I know the link whitelist was the rule for a while

left yoke
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What's in your opinion the best feat for 12th lvl monk on 2024 rules, with durable and grappler?

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Maybe a sentinel?

keen kestrel
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Reanimator artificer outside of an Eberron book is so cool

keen kestrel
valid geyser
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I was reading a blog on 2024 monster changes, and I learned that every legendary monster has initiative expertise

rough basalt
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Yep

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Prof/Exp in initiative is one of my favorite 2024 monster changes.

valid geyser
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Yeah i think it does make monsters more reliably threatening

rough basalt
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Keeps them from being jumped and dying in one round.

left yoke
glad arch
dense parrot
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Laeā€™zel disapproves.

static nest
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I think I will ask in both bcs I would like to get both powerful offers and also ones that could fit the idea

static nest
tame saffron
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Ive done it again! Shattered my old dps record. New record 3840 damage as the maximum for one round with a pure rogue shortbow assassin. Is definitely banned in all tiers of gameplay though.

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All rules as written. I just dont know a single dm that would let that slide qith an average damage per round of 1900

valid geyser
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Iā€™m assuming that stacks like, 4 or 5 sources of doubling damage?

knotty vine
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I should join some 2014 games and play my barbarian druid

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talk about a surpise we got a new dnd book

valid geyser
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Third party ddb book but yes

knotty vine
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I was gonna ask was it 3rd party seems like you anwsered my question

tribal night
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Carve them out to pieces, build my castle with bones.

feral fulcrum
glossy otter
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I do wonder when we'l get grim hollow's monster grimoire in dnd beyond

tame saffron
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No sir, i can walk you through it. There is one interaction between weapon and potion thats a little on edge. But other than that its all rules as written. As long as you consider licensed third oarty source books like the griffons saddlebag book one and two legal source materials for casual play. Not tournement style.

tame saffron
glossy otter
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huh, monster grimoires up on Ghostfire's site so I mean it wouldn't seem off if that was the case

tame saffron
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The chances are nearing 1.3 billion to 1 on rolling that so, its never going to realistically happen.

valid geyser
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Yeah this just seems to be hypothetical more than anything.

tame saffron
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The maximum is definitely hypothetical, the average range is 900-1300 per round.

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Given if i use a reaction sneak attack from tome of advanced fighting styles quick shot. The damage average goes to 1300 if not its around 900

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And to trigger sneak attack it needs to not be my turn. So i can use it a third time. The second instance is from the ring of the assassin lord. But that sneak attack instance is halved.

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And must be made on a different target

valid geyser
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Not trying to shoot you down but I donā€™t know how much you can argue it works raw when itā€™s reliant on homebrew

umbral girder
tame saffron
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In my opinion, licensed third party is not homebrew. Unlicensed third party sources i dont use.

umbral girder
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And yet it has an entire dedicated channel here for it being not official content in #third-party

tame saffron
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But a lot dont think like that.

feral fulcrum
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Third Party Content is essentially just paid homebrew.

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That WOTC gets a cut of.

umbral girder
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DnD beyond even separates those books from the official content too.

feral fulcrum
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Not that it stops people from consistently mistaking Third Party Material as WOTC made things...

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Looks at the surprising number of people who think Pugilist is WOTC official material

valid geyser
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I mean this guy is definitely aware, we just had different definitions on what sources are fair use in these comparisons

umbral girder
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Trying to make up a new definition isnā€™t gonna change it.

valid geyser
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I totally respect that this calculation was just made for fun and not to trying to convince us that this is a broken build for the meta

valid geyser
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Not that I share his position, I donā€™t really consider any ddb stuff in that league

humble cairn
buoyant oar
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For me third party is distinct from Homebrew.

I wouldn't pay for homebrew.

viral kraken
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i mean the first party stuff is also homebrew someone got paid to make

umbral girder
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Yeah the difference being the money you put in it

feral fulcrum
buoyant oar
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Like there's a difference between playing Fallout 3, Playing Fallout New Vegas, and a Fallout Mod

viral kraken
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or playing all three at once with tale of two wastelands

ornate skiff
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As definitions matter, but at the same time, people still use ā€˜homebrew/3rd partyā€™ differently depending on the table. Feels more like a community language thing than a strict rule tbh

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Wait, but how does your group usually treat it? Do you guys separate homebrew and third-party strictly or just go by vibes?

buoyant oar
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And you don't have to be a company to have third party content. If it's being sold then it's third party. If it's free then I call it homebrew.

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The difference and line for me between your ideas and a Productā„¢

fickle heart
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A fun fact, the general definition of "homebrew" (not just TTRPGs) does refer to it being "created by enthusiasts versus commercial entities".

viral kraken
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wait so if i am getting paid to dm my world is third-party not homebrew?

feral fulcrum
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Only if you're selling the adventure as an actual packaged product.

knotty vine
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3rd party is weird

buoyant oar
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Being paid to run a game is different than selling the setting / adventure

knotty vine
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Its just paid homebrew pretty much

buoyant oar
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One's a service
the other's a product

ornate skiff
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Itā€™s pretty practical. I think the problem is just that homebrew gets used so loosely now that it overlaps with third-party a lot lol do you think WotC style stuff should still count as third-party even if itā€™s super polished and paid, or does branding matter more to you?

viral kraken
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so it's just not homebrew since it is made by a commercial entity, just not third party?

rough basalt
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WotC's unofficial company made content sits in a weird place

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Cause its either made for events, charity ect, but technically isn't "legal" i think

feral fulcrum
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Or to get one annoying guy to shut up about it

buoyant oar
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If WotC publishes something but doesn't make it it's Second Party.

empty mural
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Iā€™m running a super short campaign where the villain is a cambion who wants to ā€œchaotic-evilifyā€ a village.

Would you count making someone overly vengeful as counting?

feral fulcrum
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looks at the Planeshift books

lavish flame
buoyant oar
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You can buy products from individual people too. You don't have to buy it from a company.

lavish flame
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yeah, DMsGuild is full of indie third-party products

wanton ridge
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guys i accidently started a Modron invasion

lavish flame
#

The Great Modron March!!!

viral kraken
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that's not what the definition of homebrew actually says tho, it says made by enthusiasts as opposed to a commercial entity, so if a commercial entity makes it, it's categorically not homebrew right?

wanton ridge
fickle heart
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Technically, you can get a third party product for free, or buy a homebrew product. Iirc, the difference lies in the actual "party", not the content.

glad ferry
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Whats the most unpredictable moments that have happened in your campaigns

feral fulcrum
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They'd have invaded sooner or later anyway. Modrons are like that, annoying buggers that they are.

wanton ridge
feral fulcrum
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They're like Fiends, but more annoying, and full of themselves. They don't really need much of an exscuse to invade and start burning down planes for funsies.

lavish flame
ornate skiff
glad ferry
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I like the darker versions of dwarves. Can't remember what theyre called

rough basalt
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DMsguild is nice for getting ahold of old content and stuff for settings that weren't well supported by 5e WotC

feral fulcrum
#

Deuragar

viral kraken
buoyant oar
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Most DND communities can be wrong.

rough basalt
#

Like if you wanna run a Spelljammer game, DMsguild can be a life saver

feral fulcrum
#

Albino Grumpy Underdark Dwarves with a perpetual scowl.

glad ferry
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Yeah the duergar

lavish flame
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Duergar my beloved

buoyant oar
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Omg yea The Guild is a must for Spelljammer

feral fulcrum
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Because Spelljammer is a joke, yes

glad ferry
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What makes the duergar different from other types of dwarves

knotty vine
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Flying dhampiar in heavy armor has to be my favorite stupid RAW moment

rough basalt
#

Only downside and a huge one to DMsguild is all the AI stuff nowadays.

feral fulcrum
rough basalt
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Unless it's from a big name third party or setting creator like Ed Greenwood or Keith Baker there's suspicion.

glad ferry
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Don't certain dwarves also not become encumbered in heavy armor

buoyant oar
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Deugar in the forgotten realms were slaves to Mind Flayers and experimented on for 1,000s of years.

glad ferry
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Ive got a character who is coming out of the shadowfell after being in there for 20 years. He's gonna be fun

lavish flame
glad arch
feral fulcrum
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I don't know why they get Enlarge/Reduce innately

glad ferry
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That makes sense. Mind flayers are something else

buoyant oar
rough basalt
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Ah true.

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DMsguild is very AIsguild if you're looking for 5.x content.

glad ferry
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Im slowly learning differences between forgotten realms 5e and 5.5e

rough basalt
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One is all modules, the other is a setting guide that says to buy the modules for extra stuff.

knotty vine
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I think most FR lore is the same in 5e/5.5e

rough basalt
#

Nah it's a bit different.
The time actually moved on.

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Not far but it's a start.

knotty vine
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By a few years maybe

umbral girder
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Yeah the timeline has moved forward

lavish flame
umbral girder
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A couple decades

lavish flame
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we went from 1494DR at the latest to 1501 DR

rough basalt
#

Yeah finding human made third party content nowadays is getting harder and harder.

lavish flame
#

er, was Acq inc 1496?

rough basalt
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I think in general the old guard wanted to stick around 1492 and 1494

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They were scared of 15 like Valve is scared of 3

teal falcon
#

Is curse of strahd worth getting to run with the new Ravenloft book?

umbral girder
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Sure

lavish flame
rough basalt
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Finding genuine human made third party outside big names is like finding a diamond in a pile of coal ime

feral fulcrum
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depends on if your'e mostly sticking to 2024 or 2014 stuff

buoyant oar
#

4e realms occured in 1479 DR
5e realms spanned 1481-1496 DR.
5.5e realms starts in 1501 DR

The new Salvatore book goes from 1504-1510 DR

teal falcon
feral fulcrum
#

Then you're probably better off with the new Ravenloft Book.

rough basalt
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Huh. Apparently DMsguild has recently started enforcing their anti-AI policy.

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Rather than being "guys just don't use it. Guys."

feral fulcrum
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Finally got off their rumps did they?

rough basalt
lavish flame
umbral girder
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Thinking about how Strahd replicates how the OG Dracula was a big threat in how affected the world around him, but in a straight fight goes down fast.

buoyant oar
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AI generated text has never been allowed but it's hard to catch.

AI art iirc is allowed but must be disclosed

umbral girder
#

Dracula got taken out by a shovel

feral fulcrum
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Rules without Enforcement = completely useless.

valid geyser
#

yeah so much happened in 5 years. I get that wotc wanted FR to have a lot of new toys as well as make sure a bunch of important characters are still around, but it's still a little wild to me

still plover
rough basalt
#

Yeah they started removing all the "Map packs" and "token packs" that were just all AI generated.

buoyant oar
# lavish flame absolutely kills me that there's just a 5 year gap between 1496 and 1501 when th...

Most editions do have a time skip where adventures don't happen

Here is some helpful dates regarding the forgotten realms.

1e Forgotten Realms Campaign Set 1356 DR
1e Kara-Tur: The Eastern Realms 1357 DR

The Time of Troubles 1358 DR

2e Forgotten Realms Adventures 1358 DR
2e The Horde Barbarian Campaign Setting 1359 DR

Grand Army of the Tuigan Invades Faerƻn and Kara-Tur 1359 DR
2e Maztica Campaign Set 1362 DR
2e Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting (Both Versions) 1367 DR
2e Al-Qadim The Land of Fate (No date given but assumed) 1367 DR
Twelfth SerƓs War in the Undersea Realms 1369 DR

3e Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting 1372 DR

Return of the Archwizards of Netheril 1372 DR
3e The Grand History of the Realms 1375 DR
The Spellplague Begins 1385 DR
The Spellplague Ends 1395 DR

4e Forgotten Realms Campaign Guide 1479 DR

The Second Sundering Begins 1482 DR
The Second Sundering Ends 1487 DR
5e Sword Coast Adventurer's Guide 1489 DR
The Absolute Crisis 1492 DR
5e Heroes and Adventures in Faerƻn 1501 DR

lavish flame
feral fulcrum
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Wait what

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"Return of the Archwizards of Netheril" That had to have been one hell of a dumpsterfire

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For the realms that is.

buoyant oar
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They stuck around until 1487

rough basalt
#

Foundry took a firm similar stance recently. Removing all AI modules and the one caveat is if it's used for coding it's fine, and if it's used to run generation in foundry as running code or whatever its called it must be with user consent.

valid geyser
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its totally warranted they didnt want slavery to be a main facet of calimshan, but It's incredible how well their economy adapted

rough basalt
#

Yeah then Elminster dropped them out of the sky

umbral girder
#

Elminster got that Netheril city destroyed right?

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Pulled an Age of Ultron?

rough basalt
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Ye he dropped it on Myth Drannor.

buoyant oar
#

This is detailed in The Sundering Novel #6 The Herald

umbral girder
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Elminster was seeing the return of Myth Drannor and Netheril and decided to do a pro gamer move

lavish flame
umbral girder
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I mainly remember it because I read about it in SCAG

buoyant oar
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It maths out of 1494 but the BG Gazetter is in DiA calls out 1492

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Zariel is bad at math confirmed

umbral girder
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Just going ā€œNetheril is back!ā€ And the next page is ā€œNetheril is gone again!ā€

feral fulcrum
#

What a waste of ink

rough basalt
#

Elminster was trying to drop it on a more populated area but he needed a nap and dropped it on Drannor. /j

buoyant oar
#

Its not the first time that has happened. According to the official texts.

Vecna Eve of Ruin takes place in 1491 DR.

The prequel Nest of the Eldritch Eye takes place in 1501 DR. The prequel from the future.

umbral girder
#

It was in the start of the book giving a timeline of events

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Eve of Ruin is 1491? I must have missed that.

lavish flame
#

Eve of Ruin is 1491???????

rough basalt
#

Remember they weren't really trying with Vecna.

buoyant oar
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Yea, Netheril was a big bad in 3e, v3.5, 4e.

rough basalt
#

They were just trying to shove out a last book before they were gone.

lavish flame
umbral girder
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I donā€™t remember Eve of Ruin having a point in time, I need to check again

buoyant oar
#

Its inferred from X years since the eruption of mount Hotenow. Which happens a lot in 5e. That event is used as a scale

rough basalt
#

2020 to 2024 they just kinda only gave effort sometimes.

lavish flame
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I suppose the time that Eve of Ruin takes place in doesn't really matter, given you jump from many different worlds with different calendars

rough basalt
#

The Anthologies mainly

buoyant oar
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I think Eve Ruin is supposed to take place in 1501 DR. That would make sense. Fifty Years since the eruption of Hotenow instead of forty. Which would be in line with the prequel adventure.

lavish flame
#

That would make more sense tbh

buoyant oar
#

That book was being finalized as the FR Books were being set up. And it would line up with FR HoF and AiF

umbral girder
#

Notably itā€™s ā€œnearly 40 yearsā€

rough basalt
#

Vecna just kinda seems like they were told to get something out for the 50th anniversary and were like "aight. People keep asking for higher level adventure. 50th anniversary. We haven't used Vecna yet, Stranger things made his name more popular. Let's just throw something together."

umbral girder
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So it might even be before 1491

umbral girder
lavish flame
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Yeah they had a whole metaplot going with those obelisks

umbral girder
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Specifically calling out itā€™s ties to Vecna in both modules and with interviews

lavish flame
#

They totally dropped the ball on that

umbral girder
#

Makes me wonder if there was some last minute changes that made them try to redo the entire book

buoyant oar
rough basalt
#

Could've been it would've required too much work.

buoyant oar
#

And Perkins was moved from content to managing around that time.

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And that is why we probably got Netheril's Fall. All that art was done.

wind dawn
#

Heyo

umbral girder
#

Informative.

rough basalt
#

Just feels like 2020 to 2024 was WotC trying to minmax

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Minimize the work, maximize the profits

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Like the last well received book of 5e was just an anthology of 70s era adventures with their mechanics updated to 5e

buoyant oar
#

Makes sense. Internally 5e revamp was probably already in the works

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Don't waste too much energy on stuff about to be outdated.

rough basalt
#

And it was in the era where they were intended to nerf monsters technically.

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With the remove of LAs for multiple reactions.

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Which was a nerf imo cause players have really low costing ways to remove reactions.

umbral girder
#

I think Tashaā€™s mind whip andā€¦.. what else?

rough basalt
#

Shocking Grasp

umbral girder
#

Not anymore

rough basalt
#

In 2014 it did.

#

Which was when they were testing that system.

umbral girder
#

Yeah and they clearly had the intention for it to be in 2024

rough basalt
#

Thankfully it didn't happen.

umbral girder
#

Even down to changing abilities that messed with reactions

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Shame because I really liked it. Gave players new ways of thinking how the play.

rough basalt
#

Tbh Shocking Grasp taking away all reactions was probably always gonna change

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Since the change to OAs means it's still a get out of trouble cantrip.

untold moat
#

Hey folks! I'm an old school player from ADND / 3.5. Hoping to find a group to join for my first game in long time

rough basalt
untold moat
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Willing to try new editions, just haven't learned them yet

rough basalt
#

But I like having unique action systems.

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It's why I add Mythic Actions to my t4 statblocks.

umbral girder
#

Among since Mythic actions is just legendary actions

rough basalt
#

Yep which makes them good.

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Just a reaction is boring imo

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"He uses a reaction to cut you, that's a 27 you take 34 damage."

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Next round
"He uses another reaction to cut you" roll

umbral girder
#

They had a list of reactions notably.

rough basalt
#

It's the wording.

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I think Legendary Action sounds more exciting than just reaction.

umbral girder
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Such as Green Dragons released a toxic cloud when they had to use Legendary resistances

rough basalt
#

Why would the regular reactions be tied to LRs?

umbral girder
#

Why not?

rough basalt
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Cause it's a reaction. It needs to pass its legendary test if it wants to hang with the big crowd

umbral girder
#

And?

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Still donā€™t see any issue with it.

rough basalt
#

I don't like that a regular reaction is not staying in its lane.

silk hare
#

I mean I think its a bit more case-by-case

like overall, them having to spend a resource such sa a reaction to use one of their abilities is interesting for the action economy

lavish flame
rough basalt
#

To me it just felt like removing something that sounds exciting for the sake of doing so

umbral girder
#

Still donā€™t see how itā€™s a problem.

rough basalt
#

Cause it's boring

silk hare
#

but yeah, not sth I would do for any and all enemies

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or sth of an "alternative wincon", where the party does sth else in combat (e.g. destroy some crystals, etc) to weaken the enemy for a boss fight

rough basalt
silk hare
rough basalt
#

Like the intention of the change I thought was to move towards removing legendary creatures altogether.

umbral girder
#

Except they can use an LR against Mind Whip and that gives them another reaction to use for trying it.

And once against Shocking Grasp no longer does that.

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The same time they were rolling it out for core rules they were also changing Shocking Grasp

rough basalt
#

I thought they were gonna keep it the same

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Cause I thought the intention was to keep monsters as punching bags

rough basalt
umbral girder
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Which means they use more LRs and they get to use more Reactions

bitter crater
#

I what crazy stats for monster in thr under dark and deadly for players

rough basalt
#

Just wouldn't work in Vecnas case he ain't letting it happen t all.

rough basalt
umbral girder
umbral girder
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And if the party has the many casters too

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Or slots

rough basalt
#

Most would I think it's an Int save right?

still plover
rough basalt
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Only caster enemies would probably be immune to the whip spam

umbral girder
rough basalt
#

Hmm.
Still I think Legendary Actions sounds cooler.

bitter crater
#

Give Venca spell slots and soells to block magic are effects and add oowerful spell he become a pain to kill

umbral girder
#

A lot of Legendary monsters in 2024 now have a good bonus to every save rather than individual big saves

rough basalt
#

Stuff sounding cool is more important to me sometimes.

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It's why I like Villain actions or whatever they're called from flee mortals and whatnot.

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If something sounds boring I'm less enthused to use it.

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No matter how sick Nafas's art is. Maybe he should've had the big cool word at the end of his statblock for those actions

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Not that you'd actually use him as an enemy under normal circumstances

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That's really what it comes down to.
I like stuff that provokes feeling.

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Three reaction system just makes me ignore it.

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Alright after looking at Nafas and the Planescape Time Dragons again I realize the three reaction system may have been interesting. I never actually looked at the Green Dragon preview and that LR causes poison gas is pretty cool. I still prefer LAs tho.

small jacinth
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Is a wildfire Druid supposed to be backline midline or frontline

marble quarry
rough basalt
#

That is one thing. I'd never be able to always remember the reaction triggers.

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I get what they were going for tho. They wanted to cut out "unique actions" for streamlining I guess since LAs are just cooler sounding reactions.

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But them being reactions makes you have to remember what each of their triggers were.

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Like a Green Dragon farting when they LR

marble quarry
rough basalt
#

Harder imo

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Cause I think all of the 3 reaction monsters had one that was a normal LA
Like you use it when someone's turn ends. But then others had unique triggers

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And I think if every Legendary Monster had unique triggers for their 3 reactions it'd be a lot harder to run

marble quarry
rough basalt
#

Like "Vampire can move up to their speed and make a bite attack due to a player getting the Bloodied condition."

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Is probably something they were gonna do.

umbral girder
#

That is a wild reaction actually

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Because then you could heal and no longer be bloodied

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Then next person hits you and you do it again.

rough basalt
#

Damn I pulled an early wotc and worded something bad. Now I'm gonna start 10 years of arguments!

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I meant if a PC got bloodied. The Vampire can move up to their speed and bite them.

errant crag
#

The Welcome to the Hellfire Club starter set has one of my new favorite stat blocks that I'm gonna use against my players outside of the set

rough basalt
errant crag
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Being the Giant Corrupted Rats, which explode into an Acid AoE on death; and since they don't resist and aren't immune to acid this can lead to their AoEs killing other nearby rats leading to a very deadly chain reaction of acid explosions

marble quarry
rough basalt
#

Even if WotC didn't like LAs, it's just not good from a streamlining perspective to make everything different. And It's not like they threw out the baby with the bathwater in the MM. The Green Dragons Legendary Actions are the same as its Reactions from the preview, just without that cool "They do the fart cloud when they LR"

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Now if they planned on going full 4e and changing up reactions across the board I think the 3 reaction system mightve been better.

#

But that'd be going the opposite of streamlining which would favor that kinda system better imo

#

And if they did go through with it I imagine they would've reprinted and changed Tashas Mind Whip and anything else that removes reactions like Slow to not do so or only takes 1 reaction away.
Or the Legendary Monster feature makes them immune to effects that strictly remove reactions.

marble quarry
#

Do you think it wouldā€™ve been better if they fully committed to something like a 3-reaction system across the board? This halfway approach feels simpler, but also kind of inconsistent.

rough basalt
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Yeah, but then it wouldn't be streamlined anymore which would've gone against their initial attempt to say it's not 5.5e

marble quarry
#

True, but wouldnā€™t a more cohesive redesign even if it felt like 5.5e have been better than this halfway approach? Like, consistency might matter more than labeling here.

reef tundra
#

I found legendary actions are better than the three reactions system they tried with Vecna, because if the players went the whole round without activating them, Vecna could just go the whole round not doing anything

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-# Unless Iā€™m misremembering something about Vecnaā€™s stat block

rough basalt
#

I think every 3 reaction monster had at least 1 reaction option that functioned like an old LA

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It's also possible there would've been a better reception to it if it had been implemented more and better.

reef tundra
#

Still, I think taking away the DMā€™s control on when it happens makes it worse than legendary actions imo

rough basalt
#

Cause BoMT was in the three reaction era but they used LAs in it.

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So the three reaction monsters were very limited

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Yeah like a Planar Incarnate in planescape could teleport up to 60ft three times per round if it's other reaction wasn't triggered cause it functioned like a normal LA.

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I think they didn't utilize it well enough in content it appeared in.

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Like Vecna was the only module I think that had at least one enemy you have to fight that uses the 3 reactions.

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Idk about Turn of Fortunes Wheel cause iirc it has like a t4 part or something so maybe something in there, but for most people I'd say Vecna and anyone else with 3 reactions in EoR would've been the only experience.

valid geyser
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I never really processed that there was a period where they tried to get rid of legendary actions. I just thought they designed vecna kinda crappily

rough basalt
#

Ye Planescape, Quests and Vecna.

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Book of Many Things used the regular LA system even tho it was during that time frame.

tough sandal
#

Why did y'all have to remind me about the funny period they decided to "do away with Legendary Actions"? šŸ¤£

valid geyser
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Yeah I donā€™t really like the three reaction monsters. I can tell theyā€™re trying to explicate it but it becomes more weirdly complicated

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Like, the time dragons slow time is, really hard to read because of how itā€™s worded
ā€œImmediately after a creature the dragon can see ends its turn, the dragon targets a creature it can see within 90 feet of itself that is weakened by its Time Breath. Until the weakened effect ends on the target, its speed becomes 0, and its speed can't increase.ā€

errant crag
#

Legendary actions are great they make a boss monster feel like a boss monster

valid geyser
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Yeah multiple reactions means you just have to specify a trigger every time

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Also I think design wise with legendary actions theyā€™re a lot smoother? Maybe more creative? You can at least space out the actual reaction abilities with normal legendary action type abilities

rough basalt
#

I think the 3 reaction system could've been better if it was for a new DnD system entirely imo

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Like if 6e for some reason started being crunchier again.

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I get that they wanted something more "fluid" tho.

fair plinth
#

How does one play warlock well in combat with their few spell slots?

rough basalt
#

And specializing in either Pact of the Blade with a weapon or Eldritch Blast.

fair plinth
#

Wym

rough basalt
#

There's more you can do but that's a base idea.

fair plinth
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Like casting spells only when can do a big hit?

rough basalt
#

Like if you're up against a bunch of people enemies, a slot for Hypnotic Pattern is gonna be high value.

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Cause unless you're trolling, likely enough will be effected by it to justify the use.

fair plinth
#

Okok

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Do warlocks have group damage capability? They seem to only have shatter at low levels unless im blind

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And hunger of hadar

rough basalt
#

Fiendlock is the most "Blaster" Warlock subclass

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Warlock is a build a specialist I think is best way to put it.

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You pick an idea then you base your subclass, spells and invocations around that idea.

fair plinth
#

Interesting i havent thought of warlocks like that

umbral girder
#

I believe fiend gets some options

fair plinth
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*2014 rules btw

cinder timber
#

have you ever payed someone to draw your pc? How much would you pay?

rough basalt
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Nah, but if I did, I'd be willing to pay whatever the artist I'd want to do it is asking.

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I wouldn't pay triple digits tho so I'd seek out artists with double digit prices.

cinder timber
#

im debating if it is even worth it

rough basalt
#

Whatever makes you happy, given the income is disposable is worth it.

cinder timber
rough basalt
#

I don't see the correlation between personal art and wanting free dnd.

loud tendon
rough basalt
#

Like there's reddits where people post their fantasy drawings knowing people will use them in tabletop games.

indigo cedar
#

Most of my character art has been finding an image that fits on google, but lately that has become worse and worse due to the insane amount of ai slop out there

rough basalt
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Long as you don't claim it's yours or use it in a commercial product it's what I do.

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Yeah finding human made art is a pain.

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Art reddits that have zero AI tolerance that are well moderated are pretty much the best place to look for it.

errant crag
#

My character art for online games is usually a screenshot of a HeroForge

empty thicket
rough basalt
#

I like finding art that fits the game I'm gonna run which sometimes sucks.

cinder timber
rough basalt
#

But sometimes I'll find some real gold.

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Sometimes I'll use old DnD era art as well.

#

I like a lot of the old fantasy artstyles

cinder timber
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The only thing is the DM wants the same art style, and they offered to draw it

rough basalt
#

I mean if they're offering.

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But I'm guessing they're offering to be paid to do your character art to join?

loud tendon
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Requiring art in "their style" and then charging for it is almost always a scam

cinder timber
errant crag
#

Yeah that smells suspicious

rough basalt
#

But in their style?

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Either I'm confused or there's sirens going off

loud tendon
errant crag
#

I'm very lax about the art my players use in my games, they can have a wadded up gum wrapper representing their character on the map for in person games, or could have a stock photo for their character in my online games.

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Doesn't really matter too much for me

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My picture for my High Elf Wizard I play as in a Roll20 game is an image of his HeroForge that has been compressed and stretched to be very wide

rough basalt
#

My rogue is a human woman in black leather armor I found on google.

fossil shuttle
#

Y'all, I just realized something with my character for Curse of Strahd. My character is a Dhampir named Vasilii Harker, the son of Strahd and a ||former incarnation of Tatyana|| from way earlier on. Just found out Vasili is one of Strahd's aliases.

errant crag
#

I assume your DM is okay with your character having such direct ties to the main villain of the campaign

fossil shuttle
errant crag
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As long as it doesn't result in your character stealing the spotlight from others then it'll almost certainly be fine

rough basalt
#

Speaking of Art, that reminds me

errant crag
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Artificer

rough basalt
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Ima be on an art hunt for my next campaign

errant crag
#

Honestly the whole art aspect is the hardest part of running online games for me

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IRL I can draw out the floor plan of the map from the book and can slap down a fancy metal die and be like "that's the big bad guy"

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I can outsource the art to my players' imaginations

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But if it's an online game I'll stress about it

crimson gulch
#

Pointing a camera at a battlemap is great for online games

#

Need some good lights though

errant crag
#

I need to find better information about Encumbrance and how it all works RAW

#

I assume that I need containers for my inventory

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Like I need backpacks or bags or similar things to store my things in

rough basalt
#

I sometimes make my own maps but ive been using Czepeku lately

errant crag
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Like my characters inventory weighs 128 pounds.

Subtracting things I'm wearing or wielding like my armor, shield, and Dagger(s), and priests pack, I had 46 pounds of gear that was unaccounted for in terms of how I was actually carrying it.

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So I assume that RAW I need a container for this remaining 46 pounds of gear

ripe nimbus
errant crag
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Right, so I bought two sacks to split the remaining weight between

ripe nimbus
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that works, but how are your sacks being carried?

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in one hand each?

errant crag
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No, they're tied to my backpack

ripe nimbus
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fair enough

ripe nimbus
errant crag
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I'm not considering that really though as, AFAIK, RAW there's nothing saying that sacks can't be worn or carried over your back

ripe nimbus
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that's because RAW is very barebones on this

errant crag
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The backpack doesn't even specify it can be worn. The only difference in the text between the Sack and Backpack is the fact the backpack can be a saddlebag

ripe nimbus
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rulings over rules and all that; the DM is meant to apply common sense

errant crag
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And the price and weight difference

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Currently I'm focused on the strictly RAW implications of encumbrance

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I'm aiming for knowing how to track and rule encumbrance, not aiming for realism.

ripe nimbus
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yeah sure

errant crag
ripe nimbus
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I personally do track and rule encumbrance and containers with "you can carry but not wear sacks"

errant crag
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I honestly might need to take Tensers next level when my PB goes up for Ritual Caster

ripe nimbus
errant crag
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12

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My max is 180 lbs

ripe nimbus
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so you're heavily encumbered...

errant crag
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No I'm not

ripe nimbus
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?

errant crag
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I'm below my max

ripe nimbus
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oh you're using "encumbrance" to mean "carrying capacity"

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encumbrance is the name of the variant rule

errant crag
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Oh I guess carry capacity is the lift drag push pull stuff isn't it

errant crag
ripe nimbus
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the word "encumbrance" doesn't appear in the 2024 phb

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and in the 2014 phb it only appears in context of the variant rule

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so i thought you were talking about the variant rule this whole time

errant crag
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Carrying Capacity


While dragging, lifting, or pushing weight in excess of the maximum weight you can carry, your Speed can be no more than 5 feet.```
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Yeah sorry I keep saying encumbrance as like a single word term for the whole thing

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Which is probably confusing if you use the variant rule

cinder timber
short brook
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man carrying capacity bothers me sometimes, i feel like it should be higher for some classes.

ripe nimbus
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5e carrying capacity limits are already bonkers high

errant crag
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It used to be but people complained that it was useless because they weren't tracking carry capacity

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Barbarian used to get stuff that effects it

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But because those tables weren't using carrying capacity they removed almost all of that stuff in reprinted versions of the classes

short brook
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yeaaah

ripe nimbus
short brook
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i remember bear barbarian doubled it

ripe nimbus
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oh yes i see

short brook
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i remember playing a goliath, bear barbarian, with brawny. soley for the purpose of being able to perform herculean feats of strength

ripe nimbus
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totem warrior, level 6

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im fine with some class features like that

wanton ridge
ripe nimbus
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but as a rule i already find the carrying capacities in 5e distractingly high

turbid vessel
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carrying capacity just doesn't feel like it benefits dnd as a mandatory thing

ripe nimbus
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disagree

errant crag
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It's definitely an acquired taste

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It's for certain types of games

turbid vessel
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or i should specify: it only benefits some dnd

feral fulcrum
wanton ridge
feral fulcrum
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At least, regarding animals.

errant crag
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Carry capacity scales very strongly with strength, having average and below average strength really hurts your carrying capacity

ripe nimbus
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oh the animal ones are fine

feral fulcrum
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A typical draft horse IRL can carry and pull Vastly more then when their anemic D&D counterparts can.

short brook
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yeah, i feel for characters with points invested into str it does feel a bit anemic

ripe nimbus
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yeah, 2700lb pull is maybe a bit low for draft horses

errant crag
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I do find it funny that Bags of Holding are one of the most iconic D&D items when they're largely not useful in the majority of D&D games because they're not tracking carry weight

turbid vessel
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i feel like carrying capacity is fun when tacked onto a Tomb of Annihilation style campaign where exploration and survival resource management is part of the fantasy
but it's not really the first thing that comes to my mind when i think of a game like Curse of Strahd

turbid vessel
rough basalt
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I use it in every campaign

fossil shuttle
wanton ridge
errant crag
wanton ridge
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Also every time I play I can never carry my things without animals or bag of holding

errant crag
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I've been having fun just tracking carry capacity for my own character, nobody else at the table is required to and the DM is letting me stop any time I want, but so far it's been fun for me to work with

short brook
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a tarrasque being only able to lift 7k feels a bit off...

ripe nimbus
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I enforce encumbrance in every campaign, too, because once you do so, all the other aspects of exploration start to matter.
you're going into a dungeon? you got to bring light (yes, even if you have Darkvision 60'. you really want to be stuck being unable to read the riddle that you need to read to progress?). light only lasts a certain amount of time. you need to bring enough light to last you. "why don't I buy 100 torches and have light forever?" because they weigh something and you need to carry them.

turbid vessel
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when i did carry weight running ToA my party had a great time with it cause it felt in line with the jungle exploration fantasy. we tried it again when we went on to play Curse of Strahd and quickly agreed it didn't feel fun anymore

sly crest
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I think some things are being attempted in 5.5e.

a. Psionic options for martial classes in an attempt to narrow the gap.
b. Classes with abilities that work on the dungeon map to encourage exploration

snow zephyr
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Is there any word as to what's slated for release next? Any official announcements about a new setting book or something like that?

short brook
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yeah the technical parts of a dungeon should matter

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it dark get torch

feral fulcrum
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They've already had Psionic options well before 5.5e?

errant crag
short brook
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yeah true lol

feral fulcrum
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Psi Warrior was released all the way back in 2020

primal wolf
turbid vessel
ripe nimbus
feral fulcrum
ripe nimbus
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so e.g. I'll make light consume its material component, but make phosphorescent moss cheap to buy and of basically trivial weight, so it's still an encumbrance saver, you just need to plan for it

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but that gets into the realm of My Personal Houserules

ripe nimbus
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for characters of normal strength anyway

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i feel like it should scale a bit more strongly with strength, starting lower and increasing more rapidly

short brook
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that i can agree with

snow zephyr
ripe nimbus
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but that makes the equation for calculating it a lot more complicated

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I like 3e's values (Carry Capacity = 25lb Ɨ 2^(Strength/5) )

errant crag
primal wolf
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What about prestidigitation and tensers disk

errant crag
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What does Presti have to do with carry weight?

primal wolf
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Summoning candles and such

ripe nimbus
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prestidigitation doesn't summon candles

primal wolf
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it can, they're a trinket

ripe nimbus
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it also lasts 6s

craggy summit
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iirc objects created by presti are actually illusions and have no weight

errant crag
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My cleric has a Lamp and 3 flasks of oil

primal wolf
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they're not illusions

ripe nimbus
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if you really want 5' of light for 6 seconds you can do it

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10' if you got darkvision i guess

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you can keep casting prestidigitation every round, but that's your whole action economy

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which knocks you out of exploration p much entirely

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it's just not a very good light source

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tenser's disk I just think shouldn't be a ritual

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it's fine otherwise

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I'm even okay with extending its duration in exchange for it not being a ritual

primal wolf
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the ritual part is what makes it worth being in the spellbook though

errant crag
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I think Tensers Disk is fine as a ritual because it's almost completely useless as a spell if you're not tracking carry capacity

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And it only lasts an hour

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Otherwise it's an egregious drain on spell slots

ripe nimbus
errant crag
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If you're gonna make it not be a ritual it's gotta last longer imo

ripe nimbus
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yeah, sure, I'm fine with it lasting 8h or similar

errant crag
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Thats fine to me then, because then it becomes something you need to be more careful with. It's basically a small magical wagon that can't hold passengers

primal wolf
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sure but now it's also a drain on spells known and spell slots

errant crag
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Yeah you need to have it prepared then

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I think it's fine as is

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This is literally the only thing that the spell does

primal wolf
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now just physically buying a wagon is the easier option

errant crag
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Besides it's not like it's a great option anyways. It's always 20ft away as you're traveling and it really doesn't play well with elevation changes

ripe nimbus
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hmm actually it may not be so bad as a ritual if you make time matter enough

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yeah on second consideration it's whatever

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if you want to take 10m every hour to do it that's already a cost enough actually

errant crag
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The moment they need to climb a cliff they need to figure out how to get all the stuff on the disk up to the top because the disk ain't making it up

primal wolf
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Unseen servant and phantom steed?

ripe nimbus
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unseen servant has strength 2

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it's not serving as your porter

ripe nimbus
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11, actually, but im not about to be that fiddly with the math

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it does travel really fast though...

primal wolf
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Find Familiar also has some good oportunities to carry stuff

undone rain
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Ranger seems pretty fun but idk what subclass would be the most fun for me

errant crag
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Yeah Unseen Servant can only carry like 30 pounds of stuff

primal wolf
ripe nimbus
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yeah i guess you could get a baboon

errant crag
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I don't think there's any spells I would nerf as a result of tracking carry weight

pine sundial
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Green

feral fulcrum
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Lasts a minute, and is a third level spell slot

errant crag
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Enlarge Reduce is 2nd level

wanton ridge
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I found it funny when I became a vampire my character became more nice because it became lawful evil

ripe nimbus
feral fulcrum
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Ah yes, 2cd level, I was thinking of the fact that it unlocks on fairy at 3rd level

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But yes, it's still only a minute and casts a not disposable spell slot.

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So, you're not going anywhere with your half-weight object.

errant crag
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I feel like if I'm tracking carry weight then surely I should track the weight of my character himself

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Not including his gear

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Like I should at least have it in mind

feral fulcrum
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You ate a hearty meal, gain five pounds

primal wolf
ripe nimbus
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it's only really relevant for if someone else tries to pick you up or you're worried about your mount's carry capacity

errant crag
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My table carry each other a lot

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"It's okay guys one of us can fly so we can all easily get up there if he takes trips flying us up"

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Until the Small Owlin Rogue suddenly needs to see if he can actually lift the Orc Barbarian

primal wolf
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they're for using on important stuff though

feral fulcrum
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I mean, if you want to blow them all before potential combat and then die horribly because Cantrips are not going to save you, more power to you?

ripe nimbus
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carry weight and exploration are important

errant crag
valid geyser
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Totally forgot it wasnā€™t

empty thicket
errant crag
primal wolf
errant crag
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Kallisti was considering removing the ritual tag and we told them why they shouldn't

valid geyser
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Not only did I just believe you I misinterpreted that

ripe nimbus
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no i said i think it shouldn't be a ritual

vale sage
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Anyone doing campaigns
17+

ripe nimbus
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my own houserules leave it untouched, because not everything i think should be different about the game am i gonna change

errant crag
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The problem with it not being a ritual is if you're exploring for 8 hours that's 8 spell slots if you're relying on the disk to carry things

wanton ridge
primal wolf
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yeah tiny hut is used more because it's a ritual but gaulders tower comes with extra goodies and is a real building instead of a small dome

feral fulcrum
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I like Galder's tower way more then Tiny Hut.

errant crag
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If the party is casting Tensers Disk for carry capacity purposes then they probably seriously need it for those carry capacity purposes

feral fulcrum
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I'm a Wizard, not a bum.

valid geyser
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I think tiny hut wouldā€™ve still been usable as a non ritual because it allows for safe long rests

ripe nimbus
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i do not have the book galder's tower is in

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so idk what it does

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how do you guys afford so many books

feral fulcrum
prime basin
primal wolf
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that's a lot more text than I expected, my bad

errant crag
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Tons of saved up money from not having actual expenses for many years

feral fulcrum
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It's a rather wordy spell

valid geyser
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Galders tower is a very fun spell, since itā€™s one of the few low level spells that gets to be permanent if you cast it long enough, but itā€™s not a spell youā€™re gonna want to pick over other valuable third levels

errant crag
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That's pretty crazy for a 3rd level spell

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I would expect something like that to be 4th level at least

feral fulcrum
errant crag
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Nah Galders Tower is third level

atomic kayak
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Always important to remember that Galders Tower was a spell designed by reddit

errant crag
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What book is it from?

errant crag
primal wolf
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Lost Labrotories of Kwalish

atomic kayak
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Its not from a book. Its from one of the first extra life content drops

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An extra life supplement which was, at least in part, designed by reddit

primal wolf
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to be fair a lot of balance changes in core 2024 edition were pushed by reddit

atomic kayak
short brook
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i don't think that's true, but im not sure

errant crag
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I'm pretty sure clerics get a similar spell at higher level that just summons a whole cathedral

atomic kayak
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And also not comparable whatsoever - there is literally a thread with this stuff

primal wolf
atomic kayak
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(Flock of Familiars is from the same thread btw)

turbid vessel
atomic kayak
primal wolf
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I think you missed the point

vale sage
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Is there any campaigns i can join at 17 and the dm will actually respond

primal wolf
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no like, the campaign is ongoing and we get 0 gold from quests and adventures.

errant crag
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I found it I was thinking of Temple of the Gods

errant crag
thick void
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is it me or is the Wild Magic Sorcerer's Bend luck pretty weak. It costs a reaction and a Sorcery point for basically a single use, slightly upscale Bless/Guidance?

Level 6: Bend Luck
You have the ability to twist fate using your wild magic. Immediately after another creature you can see rolls the d20 for a D20 Test, you can take a Reaction and spend 1 Sorcery Point to roll 1d4 and apply the number rolled as a bonus or penalty (your choice) to the d20 roll.

I can only see it worth the cost for Death Saving Throws.

errant crag
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I don't like playing in games where other players are using homebrew

primal wolf
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One of them was a pirate-themed campaign and I was told shops and merchants and gold don't exist when I said i was a former merchant.

valid geyser
crimson gulch
primal wolf
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That's what I thought too

turbid vessel
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only twice i ever played a homebrew class. first time was my 1st time playing dnd, cause i was too green to differentiate between official and homebrew content online. it sucked.
second time i played bloodhunter. that rocked

crimson gulch
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Games without all of the following
Treasure
Combat
Good rp
Exploration
Stakes and danger.

Are missing essential peices

valid geyser
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I think wild magic sorcerer is just a rather weak subclass outside of some of its surge effects but you are definitely sacrificing a good bit for the gimmick

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Like, tides of chaos does give you a decent source of advantage during combat but for spells innate sorcery now just gives you advantage all the time

thick void
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I'd make it free and limit the use, once per encounter or once per rest.

random sphinx
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Friends, should I take a belt of fire giant strength, or take a enchanted weapon that has +2 to attack and damage rolls, an extra 2d6 damage on every roll, and have a unique effect of making a 30ft cone that forces everyone to make a dexterity save or take 8d6 (half on save) ?

thick void
primal wolf
valid geyser
rough basalt
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Hate the nerves that come with new games being scheduled

crimson gulch
turbid vessel
primal wolf
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it's gotten so bad I've started asking about it and the last 3 in a row have told me gold doesn't exist in their game

short brook
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no gold???

rough basalt
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got a one shot friday then my 3rd long term game scheduled to start next month

short brook
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i don't get that

ripe nimbus
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how do people get goods and services?

primal wolf
ripe nimbus
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is it a gift economy??

errant crag
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I gave my 6th level players 10,000 gold as a reward for a quest

short brook
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that's just not for my taste at all

errant crag
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They really loved that

primal wolf
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I would too

valid geyser
errant crag
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They're trying to buy businesses and property and stuff with it

crimson gulch
rough basalt
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My monday doesnt get much gold admittedly

turbid vessel
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that's how it works in 2014. the 2024 version of tides of chaos is a lot more consistently used

crimson gulch
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When I hear that @primal wolf I tell folks that they gotta stop joining homebrew campaigns and find a dm running a module, all the modules have treasure

short brook
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man at least let me buy a drink or something..

errant crag
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Modules are so much fun to play in

short brook
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a fantasy game with NO gold is crazy

primal wolf
valid geyser
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Yeah I think the ideal tides of chaos loop of ā€œadvantage, roll on the table, get back tidesā€ is pretty cool

rough basalt
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A lot of rewards have been magic items, survival needs met, information.

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Supernatural gifts

errant crag
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I'm playing in a homebrew game where my 7th level character has never had more than 300 gold

crimson gulch
rough basalt
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Yeah there's a stupid amount of loot in Death House alone that I can remember

errant crag
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I think a lot of DMs have the idea that players getting a lot of gold will make the players overpowered