dnd-discussion

[woven flint]

He wanted to be a Knight just like his Great Grandfather, it's not even about Oaths for him
It's about being the one to raise his mettle against those who'd harm the weak or innocent

[rough basalt]

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[wintry spindle]

You dont need radiant paladin power when you just have the indomitablr human spirit

[rough basalt]

I think I should run toh

[woven flint]

He had a huge crash out against a mage after they killed our bard.
It was his first time sprouting his wings too (Dragonborn fellow)

He never in his life wanted to kill someone so badly

[rough basalt]

Patreon map makers that make high quality stuff free deserve the world.

[fast latch]

Great character moment

[woven flint]

He doesn't even like killing people anyway, he loves being diplomatic and trying to solve problems peacefully

[lavish flame]

real talk

Morvold Press, my GOAT

[rough basalt]

MAD Cartographers Phandelver collection that's free is just mmm so dang good

[twilit ibex]

Mine is a Dex Fighter because he grew up a street urchin. Sleight of Hand, Zhentarim Ruffian. Would have been a good Rogue. Then he cheated a lady knight at cards and she told him he could lose his hands, or become her squire. Long story short‐

[woven flint]

He has Proficiency in Persuasion, so I suppose he's a little Charismatic even if he has an 8 in Charisma lol

[woven flint]

As you can imagine
Heavy Armored fellow that rides a mount (hasn't had one in a few sessions since his last one died)
The type of fellow to hold the line and fight even when he's afraid.
He's always even willing to admit when he IS scared

[fast latch]

Question

Why does a creature being Hostile towards you impose Disadvantage on Intimidation checks against it?

[woven flint]

I dunno, honestly, I'd prefer it that way with Persuasion over Intimidation lol

[frail wasp]

cause its hard to suggest that you'll do violence that you're not already doing

[fast latch]

Yeah that makes way more sense

[woven flint]

Intimidation isn't always about threats of violence

[twilit ibex]

If you and I are both holding swords and we have already drawn, do you feel like I'd have an easier or harder time convincing you my sword is scarier than your sword? Not being smarmy, this is how I see it

[woven flint]

But, also, I guess people are typically brave enough to fight you lol so..

[frail wasp]

its about instilling fear of what you -could- do, but when you're in combat, it begs the question why aren't you -already- doing it

[rough basalt]

I think it's also cause why would you be truthful to someone you think is gonna kill you anyway

[fast latch]

Yeah that makes sense

[woven flint]

You know what's funny?
My Fighter has Proficiency with Carpentry Tools and its came into use 4 times in the campaign so far, which is hilarious to me

[twilit ibex]

Maybe this means he practices talking to people to get over his social issues?

Like talking to himself in the mirror, or practicing tongue twisters to get over a stutter

[woven flint]

Once to repair a wheel
Another time to repair a cart
Another to help a giant fix a windmill
And
Once to repair a rowboat for some fellow adventurers
All of which he did for free because he's just a nice fella lol

[fast latch]

Nice
How’d you use them?

[twilit ibex]

It's so fun when those tool proficiencies become useful.

[inner silo]

What subclass of fighter is he?

[woven flint]

I like to think it's just that natural Dragonborn Charisma
He's confident even if he's not the best at talking

Battlemaster

His build is
Heavy Armor, Flail and Board, Mounted Combatant, Purple Dragon Commandant
And
He's got Rally, Goading Attack and Commanders Strike as his maneuvers

[inner silo]

Flail is underrated

[woven flint]

Or, maybe because hes a Knight so he has practiced over natural Charisma

[inner silo]

Most of nobility would probably have to have at least a little bit of charisma

[woven flint]

He firmly believes that a Knight should have a comforting presence

[twilit ibex]

All this is reminding me how excite I am for an upcoming game. We have a Lizardman Barbarian who eats Alchemy ingredients that turn his body to stretchy rubber when he Rages, a Chthonic Tiefling Warlock to an Undead patron, a risen dead Orc/Elf Monster Hunter, and my Human Hero Fighter. It's gonna' be like herding cats

[woven flint]

Oh, he's not a Noble, he was a farmer boy lmao

[inner silo]

Dam, how did he become a knight?

[woven flint]

He's not technically officially one yet.
But, he's working to become a champion of a Deity known as The Sky Father

[inner silo]

Sounds cool

[rough basalt]

He's a hoarder of magic weapons he doesn't use so no bad guys won't get them. /j

[twilit ibex]

Fun fact: In medieval times, Knighthood was not only given by monarchs, but also by lesser nobles and even other Knights.

[inner silo]

The most random but also cool collection of characters😭

[woven flint]

Lmao, okay, to be fair-
I keep forgetting about my Mace of Terror, I just got the Mace of Disruption and I'm still waiting to use my silvered shortsword lol

[inner silo]

Dualwielding two flails?

[woven flint]

Honestly? A Mace of Terror would be perfect for him because it'd keep enemies from approaching his party

[woven flint]

Can't, it's not a light weapon

[twilit ibex]

A person could squire under a knight, be granted Knighthood by the knight they squired under, and become a proper knight themselves. No ring kissing or land ownership required

[inner silo]

Menacing strike manouver can also do

[inner silo]

Ah right. Then a short sword and a flail with that feat maybe?

[woven flint]

Yeah, but Mace of Terror is a fear AOE

[inner silo]

I'm pretty sure sometimes people were even knithted out of nessesity

[woven flint]

No, because both need to be light weapons alas

[inner silo]

That's pretty goated. Maybe it could also be used with that manouver that lets you target additional creatures?

[inner silo]

There's a feat for that

[twilit ibex]

Someone who becomes a knight in this way might be referred to by nobles as a "Hedge Knight" in a derogatory manner. An individual with no wealth or land ownership who was so poor "they slept under a hedge."

[woven flint]

Yeah
That's pretty much what Orizontas is, rising from Farmer to Knight

He doesn't plan on taking on any nobility status even if offered though lol

[twilit ibex]

Same as my street urchin-turned-knight, Daveth. Because of that his view of Chivalric Justice is a bit twisted by his criminal history. It's fun

[woven flint]

"I'm a Knight in duty to the people of this land, not for profit and recognition."

There's a pitch I want to throw to my dm about something regarding Orizontas' great grandfather

And it's a devastating one lol

[rough basalt]

Now I'm motivated.

[ancient dew]

My name is Daveth, Dad, I want some ice cream 🗣️

[woven flint]

What if, Orizontas' Great Grandfather essentially fell from Grace and became a Death Knight?
That could be Orizontas' family secret that was never revealed to him
Maybe they don't know that he's a Death Knight, but the man he aspires to be like is no longer the man he once heard stories of?

[rough basalt]

Alright its in the evil notes

[blissful ibex]

Prefer the proper term, a Knight Errant

[woven flint]

Well, the campaign has undead evil guys in it so...

[twilit ibex]

I have a fun twist in my guy's backstory where the lady knight he squired under was actually his real mother who abandoned him to become a knight herself (for reasons), then found him again and raised him as her squire while too ashamed to tell him the truth.

[blissful ibex]

Unead make for great fertiliser c:

[fast latch]

That’s both sick and a little similar to the backstory to one of the PCs in my first ever now dead game

[blissful ibex]

my druidlock is like part Knight Errant part Wilderness Guide

[fast latch]

His parents were both Paladins, but his Dad became an Oathbreaker

[twilit ibex]

I love when people make knights using classes other than Fighter and Paladin, too. So fun

[fast latch]

He was a Cleric of Helm

[woven flint]

Even sicker idea:
Orizontas is a Copper Dragonborn
What if his Great Grandfathers descent from heroism tarnished the families once Golden Scales to Bronze/Copper in a curse

[blissful ibex]

She's got more squire vibes than anything knighly though
her noble steed is her deer familiar

[fast latch]

Sick in theory, but that’s not how gene-never mind, magic bullcrap

[rough basalt]

I hope someday I can play out my mounted paladin character

[woven flint]

It's not Genetics, it's magic
That's the whole point lol

[vagrant crescent]

When in doubt: Wizard did it!

[woven flint]

It's a curse brought upon him and his family

[fast latch]

You can make a deer into your Familiar? I thought it was too high CR

[blissful ibex]

also a caster rather than martial; and very much a pragmatist but her circle has a thing for riding around and solving issues

[blissful ibex]

5.5e deer is a cr0 beast c:
bonus points because it has the agile trait

[rough basalt]

She was a young noblewoman who was saved by a paladin and wanted to become them, become an idealized visage of a hero.
But was quickly faced with the reality of her "no killing people" rule.

[blissful ibex]

50 ft movement, 16 dex, 60ft dark vision
biggest issue is she has 4 max HP that doesn't scale

[fast latch]

She must be a Small race, then

Otherwise the deer’s spine would probably break

[twilit ibex]

A knight doesn't have to be mighty and high-leveled. My character is a proper knight at level 5. Also, remember Don Quixote. He was a proper, Chivalric knight and his noble steed was a donkey.

[blissful ibex]

but that's what Aid and barding are for

[rough basalt]

I wanna play that PC again someday

[blissful ibex]

plasmoid c:

[rough basalt]

I left the game it was in cause DM clearly was AI generating encounters due to how unbalanced they were and he was being adversarial too.

[fast latch]

I have an NPC who’s a mounted Cavalier

[blissful ibex]

She doesn't hit very hard in combat but she's terrifying XD
mostly setting things up for the rest of the party to exploit

[twilit ibex]

This is why Elves ride Elk. Much sturdier spines.

[fast latch]

His name is Johan IX of Johanssonville, and he rides a Giant Crocodile

[woven flint]

You know..
I once had a Golden Dragonborn Paladin named Xarroth
Perhaps that could've been Orizontas' grandfather fell from grace?
Something ABSOLUTELY horrible would've had to happen for him to reject righteousness, though

[rough basalt]

One bad guy I'd want to fight my Monday party is the Archmage of Blades (one of the Lich's of my world)

[vagrant crescent]

Why am I imagining him as Jason Mendoza from The Good Place?

[woven flint]

Goated show btw

[fast latch]

The mayors of Johanssonville ALL rename themselves Johan or some variation of it (John, Johannes, etc)

[blissful ibex]

she has the Skilled origin feat and like 10 utility cantrips, mostly utility spells, divinations, rituals, wild shape/wild companion, and plenty of the utility adventuring gear c:

[rough basalt]

Oh right. I forgot.
Time to give all the liches in my world domain expansion.

[vagrant crescent]

I also had a golden dragonborn paladin!

[blissful ibex]

she has something to do in prety much any situation which is nice

[austere root]

It's a common combo

[woven flint]

The Conjuration lich just summons Mahoraga

[austere root]

Gold dragonborn are somehow even more paladin-coded than the rest

[vagrant crescent]

Altin of clan Zenginoğul, first son of Uymak and Erişmek. Bale-Lifter, Scion of Sçift the golden, Bane of Silâhşör the red, Bearer of the flame of Bahamut, knight of the setting sun, Commander of cookies

[rough basalt]

Thank you dms co-writer

[fast latch]

That is a long-ass title

I like it

[blissful ibex]

I have a Tiefling Paladin of Helm who ran away to become a paladin because she got sick of her rebel of a Wood Elf Bard mother

[woven flint]

My Golden Dragonborn Paladin was born a noble, but he rejected his nobility in favor of working for it with his own bare hands

[vagrant crescent]

I had a lot of fun writing it, and more having my DM say it 😛

[woven flint]

Aye, don't mention it

[fast latch]

My favorite Paladin character is Gronko Kel Donko, a Kuo-Toa multisubclass Open Sea/Glory Paladin who became a god

He has a Chuck Norris-like list of entirely true insane feats he’s done

[woven flint]

My Wildfire Druid became a God

[vagrant crescent]

Altin would have a list like that if the dice liked him half as much as Bahamut

[fast latch]

Such as killing a Blue Dragon with Lightning, slaying Strahd, etc

[woven flint]

You know? None of My Paladins ever worshipped a Deity lol
I just thought about that

[blissful ibex]

my druidlock blew up an entire room full of cultists of Shar with a fireball once c:

and another time she dropped a dragon and 9 of its minions 160 feet out of the air for a combined 570 damage c:
and then she did it again to a wyvern

[hollow cape]

Hello, I am new to D&D and My friend introduce me to it and I am intrested to learn and play.

[blissful ibex]

for mechanical acheivements at least

[blissful ibex]

Read the information in 'Playing the Game'; Then follow allong with 'Creating A Character' using either the dnd beyond character builder or roll20 to make a practice character before heading over to #character-discussion to have it looked over.

Feel free to ask any questions you still have in #dnd-newcomers or check out the resources in #learn-to-play ; There's a short interactive module you can play to get a feel for the game, or you could seek out gameplay videos online. Once you're ready to play, head over to #find-a-game, one of the many LFG discord servers, r/lfg on reddit, or your friendly local game store. If you'd like a printable character sheet, those can be found here.

[twilit ibex]

I have a campaign I'm creating for some friends to play, and some of them are going to be playing some cool characters. One is using my homebrew Dragon Knight subclass for Fighter to make a Draconic Musketeer that flies into the air to snipe. Another is going to be playing a homebrewed race/subclass where they're the amnesia-suffering severed head of a multi-headed dragon with a poor attitude taken humanoid form.

[hollow cape]

Thank you for the information<3

[woven flint]

Xarroth was a Paladin for Honor and Glory and to work for nobility

My Goliath Vengeance Paladin swore an Oath of Vengeance when an Ancient Red Dragon killed his Older Brother

And
My Earth Genasi Noble Genies Paladin was a Paladin to bring glory to the Earth Elemental people
No deities needed here lol

Also...
I don't think I've ever had a Cleric with a good aligned Deity lol

Their deities were:
Vhaeraun (Only Cleric with an Evil deity), Oghma, The Doombringer and Kelemvor

[rough basalt]

My last cleric was a very questionable pg13 cleric of the deity that was the villain of the campaign the one shot was like a prelude for.

That I used the wrong domain expansion on

[twilit ibex]

My group with the Lizardman Barb with cartoon powers, the purple Tiefling with a lich patron, and a weird monster-turned Monster Hunter might be getting a Cleric. A friend of mine said she was interested in making a character.

[woven flint]

I've played so many characters over the years lol

[twilit ibex]

I imagine she'll make a weird Plague Doctor, or someone whose righteous fervor could also be just hearing voices

[solar crow]

Y'all I'm about to start my first ever BBEG fight

[rough basalt]

My most crazy PC was a PF2e one I wanted to play which was a girl who could see ghosts and was haunted by a guy she killed

[tough sandal]

Same here!
-# Hopefully they don't know I'm the GM who has to run multiple NPCs.

[twilit ibex]

I've realized it's kind of fun to play the lone human in a group of monstrous nonhumans

[solar crow]

We're fighting a homebrew alien God

Thing

[woven flint]

Totally

[rough basalt]

Cause he found out she could see him and wouldn't leave her alone till "you at least do right by me and help my family out!"

[twilit ibex]

Punch it right in the gob

[woven flint]

I'll never play a human unless it's a must lol

[solar crow]

Uh no.

[rough basalt]

Me when I lock the Domain Expansion spells to Humans

[solar crow]

We're a party of 5 at level 20 fighting a time alien God thing

[woven flint]

The only human I've ever played was in
Call of Cthulu

I played an 18 Year old British Journalist named Maxwell Pax
He could throw hands lol

[solar crow]

I'll respond later

[blissful ibex]

I had a ton of fun playing in a fully monstrous nonhuman party in CoS

of all the campaigns, that one is incredibly insular/human centric

[twilit ibex]

I like playing a Human in parties without them because I get to be the person having all the "Well this isn't normal" reactions.

[blissful ibex]

absolutely no one had any frame of reference for the party and were just utterly confused

[vagrant crescent]

Oh?

[blissful ibex]

Firbolg, Golbin, Hill Dwarf, Tiefling > Reborn, Plasmoid

[woven flint]

The closest to human ive ever played in D&D was an Aasimar, but he had more of the physical attributes of an Astral Elf and he was neither human nor Elf in all of reality.
(He was a being created by the Elder Evil Caiphon)

[twilit ibex]

I also pride myself on being the kind of player that uses every opportunity to open the floor to other players when it comes to character development, so playing a Human helps me be this "in the background on purpose" kind of character.

[blissful ibex]

my most humanish character is a late middle-age Wood Elf

[woven flint]

I like playing exotic species, but not making their species their entire personality 🧐

I have a Tortle Cleric
He's an Old Man and a Librarian
He's even tempered and chill and I think the only times him being a turtle man is brought up is by the other members of the party lol

[blissful ibex]

my plasmoid is culturally more kobold due to her upbringing and is very pragmatic due to growing up as a forager in a transitional space at the edge of the underdark

[unreal mantle]

Who wants to help me update Circle of the Blighted for the 5.5e rules?

[twilit ibex]

Like...if your character is a Tiefling in a world setting where Tieflings are "evil demons" that are KOS, then your character being a Tiefling is a really important part of who they are. If your character is a Tiefling in a world where Tieflings are just another flavor of humanoid, then being a Tiefling shouldn't really be a big part of your personality.

[undone bloom]

what is there to update? it's all backwards compatible

[twilit ibex]

Same for any race, btw. Just used Tiefling as an example

[errant crag]

18 AC is pretty high for a Barbarian at level 1 right?

[still plover]

Yup. +3/+3 and shield?

[errant crag]

In a sense

[blissful ibex]

Would say a mix of Preservation Druid and Hollow Warden Ranger, except with the aura and stuff active while in wildshape rather than while concentrating on HM

[vagrant crescent]

Honestly I just translated gold into different languages until I found one that sounded cool and used words for all of his relative's names.

For example, his clan name means "rich son" because I kid of pictured him as Alan Richtson when I was making him

[unreal mantle]

It technically works, it just doesn't follow the 5.5e Druid subclass design principles, the subclass features work off spells that were largely changed in 5.5e in a way that the subclass features have been weakened a lot, and the pets aren't updated for the new monster stats in 5.5e

[austere root]

Nevermind, then I don't know what you are.

[unreal mantle]

I'm familair with the Preservation UA but not the Hollow Warden ranger yet. I'll check it out

[blissful ibex]

Starts on page 5: https://media.dndbeyond.com/compendium-images/ua/horror-subclasses/gPZTjw31gGeVdQKl/UA2025-HorrorSubclasses.pdf

[unreal mantle]

AC bonus equal to Wisdom modifier 😱

[undone bloom]

wdym "design principles"? there's no rules for how a subclass is "supposed" to be laid out

third party stuff often breaks convention, sure, but there's nothing really to update

[unreal mantle]

There's no rules but there's a pattern. They use Wild Shape for their main subclass feature

[blissful ibex]

Blighted Shape gives an AC bonus so it fits
plus you'd have to be in Wildshape to get the bonus at that point

[unreal mantle]

Would you change the Wisdom modifier language? +5 AC is a lot, and now I'm reading through Hungering Might and +5 to Con saves is a lot too. I guess since you're so MAD on a Ranger it makes it a little weaker but +5 is more than a feat

[blissful ibex]

make it a +2 which goes to +3 at level 11 or something

[hollow cape]

Hey chat, soo uhh now that I know the basic rules... where do I fight monsters?

nvm

[blissful ibex]

ye, same instruction message I sent you before has the links for the lfp/lfg channel and some other places to look

[solar crow]

My brain is not thinking straight this is not good for boss fight

[austere root]

I'm thinking about playing a mizzmage with no repeat spells

[errant crag]

What's a mizzmage

[austere root]

mizzium apparatus using caster

[rough basalt]

I wanna try running a one shot again.

See if I can finally run a successful one shot.

[lone hill]

is there a certain channel for help with homebrew? Im making a homebrew subclass and want to make sure its not super strong or even to weak

[jolly canyon]

#homebrew 😅

Exactly what you want!

[lone hill]

appreciate you ❤️

[wicked mulch]

D&D Question of the Day (D&D Beyond: Playing the Game):

TRUE OR FALSE: A natural 20 automatically succeeds on saving throws.

[empty thicket]

Nope.

[turbid vessel]

D&D jeopardy would be pretty fun, come to think

[empty thicket]

If you have debuffs//lower stats and get a nat 20, rest the things and then get 15 or 16 and the DC is 20
You failed.

And if im not wrong could be said almost same with Nat 1 in some monsters with giga high +rolls
Nat 1 + 13 = 14 to pierce AC.
Its painful so at that point for Dms i would say put the players to do Dc saves of dext, so they dont feel too bad

[solar crow]

520 DAMAGE IN ONE TURN

[novel ridge]

Can I talk abt moral alignment here?

[empty thicket]

depend, what about it concern you?

[novel ridge]

I just like to talk abt it is that bad?

[empty thicket]

nope, you can in fact do, i just wanted to give that for starter about it

[blissful ibex]

Empyrean with their +17 Strength Save Modifier q_q

[blissful ibex]

I did 570 in a turn once with a single 3rd level spell slot an a technically non-damaging spell c:

[solar crow]

118, 212, 190

3 attacks those are the amounts each attack cause divine arrow

Good good rolls

NONE WERE A CRIT EITHER

[turbid vessel]

i ain't never heard of divine arrow before

[blissful ibex]

it's #third-party from obojima

[solar crow]

Yeah

We use 3rd party spells

It makes the enemy vulnerable to radiant and I'm a paladin

[tough sandal]

I'm still very giggly about my players going insane over our last session.

[novel ridge]

I need someone to talk abt moral alignment with me rn bc im in a very bad mood, i need people to stand up for me

[blissful ibex]

what happened?

[turbid vessel]

you can't exactly come onto a public forum and demand to talk with anyone, that's not very polite

just join the conversation and talk will come naturally

[dapper cloud]

Unless you’re in 3e or earlier, or are using two or three specific subclasses, alignment is just an aesthetic choice.

[hollow estuary]

I do wonder why red wizard blades are legendary rarity.

You can quite literally kill a mage of thay and take their blade, they dont require attunement or anything like that.

Like obviously they have enough of the blades to be wasting them, as they left behind a red wizards blade embedded in edgins wife zia in the movie.

Like its essentially a thayan swiss army knife. I wonder why they are classified as legendary, is it because they are almost impossible to craft?

[crimson gulch]

because it was a movie tie in item, and not something that is widely used in the actual TTRPG lore of the red wizards

[hollow estuary]

"A Red Wizard blade was a potent type of enchanted dagger used by the Red Wizards of Thay as of the late 15th century DR.[1][2] They were notorious, owing to the fact that no cleric could save an individual slain with one"

they are.

[novel ridge]

I felt like a sad troll

[tough sandal]

Since session 55 (now session 65), combat session notes are now small in-world narratives. They can either be "broad retold legends" or "POV of an outside NPC".
This most recent summary foreshadowed details for future sessions.

This combat session was a mirror boss battle against blood constructs.
My fighter player (the notetaker) is going insane because he keeps putting details about his backstory and current narrative implications together. He thinks his PC is a clone by his Blood Hunter / Alchemist family (still unknown to the PCs).
The others are still thinking about how a currently evil-aligned NPC is responding to their newfound empathy.
The sorcerer is thinking about who made a scientific log based on the battle.

[turbid vessel]

what's your source here?

[valid geyser]

check all the sources of that article on FR wiki.

[novel ridge]

I want to be happy

[solar crow]

My 520 damage is without a crit either btw

[hollow estuary]

forgotten realms wiki.

also the movie is canon

[austere root]

Then you have your answer

[solar crow]

I think I did like 25d10+24+6d8+60 and doubled it all

[austere root]

They haven't been that way for very long, and not in a source everyone refers to/is aware of for this specific thing

[solar crow]

Across 3 attacks

[hollow estuary]

Yeah I know, I just want to know why they are considered a legendary magic item and if they deserve that rating.

[crimson gulch]

i mean kind of, if you want to use that lore at your tables.

but the red wizard dagger has appeard in Zero published 5e game books, its just the dnd beyond thing

it was baiscly a marekting decision to call all the items from the movie legendary

[hollow estuary]

Ah alright so their more like very rare/rare?

[valid geyser]

its also a plot device to explain why a regular raise dead spell couldnt bring back chris pine's wife

[shut night]

What do you all think the etiquette should be around things like brothels in a dnd campaign? Cuz I think its best to imply certain player actions instead of outright saying them

[crimson gulch]

nah, its fine at legendary honestly

rarity is largely irrelevent most of the time

an extra 3d12 damage is pretty legendary if a fighter is attacking you 4 times a turn

[rough basalt]

Well now I got one less game going on a week

[crimson gulch]

in tearms of Raw damage i dont think theres a single melee weapon with more damage than that

[rough basalt]

Which is good.

[turbid vessel]

highly dependent on the table and the type of story being told. there's a lot of impactful storytelling that can come from such a setting

but not everyone is mature enough to engage with topics like that

[crimson gulch]

that is a table level content decision, its no ones buisness but the tables

[rough basalt]

Ye all we can really say is "if the table is fine with it it's fine."

[crimson gulch]

if your table is engaging with things you cant tolerate, bring that up for sure

[turbid vessel]

also just saying i got muted for 1 min for saying the single-tense version of the word you used, this censor bot is a bit broken lol

[rough basalt]

My brain feels like a load of weight was taken off now that I dropped out of one of my player games.

[crimson gulch]

we had a joke in my game that that was the new word for a soup restaurant, Broth you know

[rough basalt]

Now I wanna use that lack of weight to run more dnd.

[crimson gulch]

thats a shame that the game was weiging you down

[jolly canyon]

A character/npc in the setting I'm running owns one of those we we spent a short time in one looking for her to protect her.

We were too late but we saved her in the end

[shut night]

A campaign shouldn't feel stressful so it was probs for the best

[rough basalt]

Nah game was gonna be awesome I think. The party hit it off well in S0. But it was a different and very complex system and rn my brain just doesn't have the room to learn it AND be able to be engaged and active in the game like the GM and table deserved.

[hollow estuary]

Aight yeah i was asking because, I'm playing an Illusionist who's a high-ranking member of the Red Wizards of Thay. His whole deal is that he embeds himself with hero parties as a PR move, so Thay can claim credit for heroic deeds and spread its influence among people who dont exactly like slavery and wizardry related war crimes.

("The Red Wizards helped heroes accomplish X.") His long-term goal is to become a Zulkir by leveraging these alliances, and he handles his more sinister Thayan business during downtime between adventures.

We're currently level 10, and I'm thinking it would make sense narratively for the Red Wizards to reward him with a Red Wizard Blade for his efforts so far. My DM isn't sure if that's too powerful for this level, so I wanted to get some outside opinions. Would a Red Wizard Blade be reasonable at level 10, or is it too much?

[rough basalt]

The weight was more of a "I'm not gonna be able to be the player I wanna be" not the tables fault.

[turbid vessel]

what system, might i ask?

[rough basalt]

Shadowrun 5e

The 2nd most complex SR system.

[crimson gulch]

that is a table level decision between you and your dm

[shut night]

That's a shame

[crimson gulch]

our opinions on that matter cannot be well informed enough by the state of your game to make a call either way

[turbid vessel]

yeah, hard to say for sure since we don't know how difficult your DM does encounters and balancing

[hollow estuary]

Aight thanks for telling me

[crimson gulch]

other games are a trap, locking into DND is the way

[rough basalt]

It's an awesome system but not one I should learn while my brain is so occupied.

I just wanna lock into dnd for now tbh

[hollow estuary]

I mean I play DND and Cyberpunk RED. I definently enjoy DND More but its nice to have a breath of """"Fresh"""" """"air"""" (because clean air in night city is a privelege)

[rough basalt]

As long as the new team keeps putting out books that make me excited.

[turbid vessel]

i'm always an advocate for trying new systems, cause i truly think trying systems that aren't DnD will help you enjoy DnD more, cause you'll start to see where dnd is at its strongest vs other systems

[rough basalt]

For sure. I'm just too DnD minded atm to give other systems the try they deserve.

Like I haven't opened a lot of the dnd books I've gotten cause I knew if I did I'd wanna run more dnd lol

But I made the mistake of opening peak

[hollow estuary]

yeah for sure, when it comes to CPR and DND its pretty dang close, the writers did a pretty good job.

[rough basalt]

Known on the streets as the Forgotten Realms dm guide.

[solar crow]

Y'ALL I DID EVEN MORE

I got my crit

[tough sandal]

Now that life calmed down, I started reading the rest of Adventures in Faerun.

I can only imagine how difficult it was to find five regions to explore in one of the largest worlds of DND.

[serene olive]

An old friend asked me if I’d be interested in joining a campaign they want to start. Another friend asked me to teach them how to dm. I’m currently a player in a campaign that another friend wanted to run for a practice at DMing. Idk what’s in the water, but I’m witnessing a dnd overtaking you guys 😂😂😂

[tough sandal]

I do like how Heroes of Faerun tries to summarize the entire world for backstory (PCs) and world building (GMs).

I found myself using it recently for the Goddess of Misfortune.
One of my players recently paid tribute to her in Yartar. They are a pixie sorcerer from the Feywilds.

[solar crow]

660 damage one turn

[tough sandal]

I'm very likely going to be building off of that tribute very soon.

There's a dichotomy and strain between the Cleric and Sorcerer right now.
The cleric showed tribute to Tymora, while the sorcerer to Besheba. They also had an argument due to a recent action that sowed distrust between the pair.

[tough sandal]

Hehe... I wish your friends the best of luck as aspiring GMs. TTRPG communities can never have enough to satisfy the GM/Player ratios.

[tough sandal]

Wait I'm sorry...
HOW DID YOU GET THAT DAMAGE?! 👀 💦

[turbid vessel]

a 3rd party spell from what i've been told

[serene olive]

One of them is hosting a one shot for six people. The other is running a campaign with 7 players? The campaign is absolute chaos, but they’re doing their best!

[solar crow]

Level 20, 3 attacks, crit, enemy is vulnerable to radiant damage from divine arrow, I'm paladin

I can dm you more specific information later we're still in session

Pulled all the strings

[tough sandal]

Focus on your game, ya goofy goober.

[solar crow]

And got insane rolls

[valid wharf]

How would you guys say the interaction should work when gust of wind knocks an enemy into another enemy

[viral kraken]

RaW if you push them into another creature's square they go prone

[valid wharf]

Ooh interesting, thank you

[rough basalt]

Not really hard

[frail mural]

guys, quick question

grave or death domain at lvl 5??

for

[rough basalt]

Grave is better in general imo, but Death if you'd like it more

[frail mural]

damage

[frail mural]

im in doubt between path to the grave or touch of death

touch of death seems better at 5th

[rough basalt]

Vulnerability is better

Necrotic damage is one of the common resisted/immune damage types

Keep in mind its also cleric level not player level

so its only gonna be 9 damage

where as vulnerability is double the damage done overall on the attack

tho it is one that can be triggered by allies so its more of a do you want 9 extra damage that will commonly be resisted or not do anything or have a nuke button at the ready for an ally 9/10

[frail mural]

it deals 5 + 2 times your character level. ill play a level five cleric so thats +15 damage with a use of chanel divinity though (at a party lvl 5)

[timid zinc]

Hi

[rough basalt]

its cleric level

[timid zinc]

Um

Is monk good for a dexterity character

[rough basalt]

When you hit a creature with a melee attack, you can use Channel Divinity to deal extra necrotic damage to the target. The damage equals 5 + twice your cleric level.

[rough basalt]

Yep

[frail mural]

cleric level as in subclass?

[rough basalt]

as in how many levels you have in cleric

[timid zinc]

Because I qant to create a really fast agile theethling monl

[rough basalt]

which since youre saying at 5 tells me you multiclassed

[frail mural]

i havent

[rough basalt]

then I question whats going on in your game

[frail mural]

everyone is lvl 5?

its a one shot

quite a hard one in fact

[timid zinc]

Wait im a player but i wanna try and do dm so i wanna do a homebrew thats based on fire force

[rough basalt]

If its a hard one, path to the grave will likely be better

[frail mural]

alright

[rough basalt]

Vulnerability is actually insane to the point they're nerfing grave cleric in 5.5e

[timid zinc]

Is that possible

[rough basalt]

If you wanna emulate anime, you should find a tabletop system built to emulate anime

[timid zinc]

Oh

[frail mural]

any good melee spells to combo with my melee atack?

[rough basalt]

Cause the work to make dnd work for it will be at least 2 times harder than learning a system designed for shounen anime

[frail mural]

in 5.5 ofc

[rough basalt]

if 5e, Inflict Wounds is the premier good melee spell

Ah 5.5

[timid zinc]

Thats true even though to be honest i was only gonna take bits and peices of it

[frail mural]

yeah its messy... a shame they havent released any of the death flavoured clerics in 2025 yet...

[rough basalt]

DnD can break very easily when its altered to fit something it's not supposed to

[timid zinc]

Ok

Ill find another table top system for it

But ill still try some homebrew

[rough basalt]

Big Eyes Small Mouth is one i heard is best for emulating shounen anime

[frail mural]

trust me, its really easy to mess homebrew up

[timid zinc]

Never heqrd of it

But ill see thanks

[rustic walrus]

True

[timid zinc]

I like world building

[delicate locust]

hey, me and my friend are wondering whether the heavy weapon rules for 2014 is that they give disadvantage to small creatures or that you need strength 13 or higher or anything else, if someone knows it would be much appreciated, thank you!

[frail mural]

you could mess around with fate too... its the go to system for unconventional roleplaying settings in my experience

[rough basalt]

Yeah theres a lot of tabletop systems that can be used for anything under the sun

[frail mural]

and for less mechanically inclined games

[rough basalt]

DnD is just not that as much as people treat it as such

[timid zinc]

Fate? Is it like another table top or is it a type of dnd?

[frail mural]

its another tabletop system

highly malleable

[timid zinc]

Oh

[rough basalt]

DnD is based around being Traditional High Fantasy.

[timid zinc]

Tbh i kinda dont have anyone irl that would qant to play a roleplay game with me

[frail mural]

whats the best spell for melee attacks in 5.5? if you know it out of the book

true sight is good i think?

[timid zinc]

Scince dnd is easy to play online

I have clung to it

[rough basalt]

True strike is a pretty good cantrip now

Like people have forced dnd to be anything under the sun so you can do it but theres a point where you'll essentially be lying to anyone you recruit by calling it dnd.

[frail mural]

so, true strike + path to the grave?

[rough basalt]

Well path is an action. Grave is more support oriented.

[timid zinc]

Ive been creating a homebrew around the concept of the party finding an underground civilization full of more high fantasy creatures than the upperlayer of the world (I wonder if u can find the inspiration)

[rough basalt]

So Death maybe since you have 5 cleric levels

[timid zinc]

Tho i wonder if thats dnd enough

[rough basalt]

Like delicious in dungeon kinda thing?

[timid zinc]

Sure

[rough basalt]

That works

I'm moreso speaking about people trying to play Call of Duty in DnD and stuff

[frail mural]

alr, ty good sir

[timid zinc]

And with a mix of humans in this world forcing some monsters that they deem "not bale to be controlled" and "usless to the good of humanity" underground

[timid zinc]

Pepole do that

[rough basalt]

Yep, a lot of people will force anything under the sun into dnd rather than play other systems better suited and will work 5 times as hard to do so

[timid zinc]

Oh and the pantheon in this world is evil

[burnt grove]

So just drow reskin?

[timid zinc]

Well not really they just force humans to do terrivle things and call it honouring them

[timid zinc]

Um what?

Im new so idk

[rough basalt]

A lot of the time they just roll dice and say stuff happens they're not actually using any of rules or whatnot

[burnt grove]

Underground fantasy races evil pantheon look up drow

[rustic walrus]

It's a lot like drow

[burnt grove]

Human slaves Drow -Yuan-Ti

[timid zinc]

Oh

I didnt know

Tbh i was like oh this is like undertale when the idea came in my head

[burnt grove]

It’s the under dark

Look into that concept

Like legitimately

You might love it

[timid zinc]

I might

I live the ideas of humans forcing monsters underground

Maybe thats why I love undertale

Other than undyne

[burnt grove]

In this case originally it wasn’t man but the sun

[timid zinc]

Oh

[burnt grove]

For the under dark

[timid zinc]

Intresting

I might use a mix of the pantheon and tye humans forcing them underground

[burnt grove]

Cool again Just a drow or yuan ti reskin

Mechanically

[timid zinc]

Or that my pantheon can manifest themselves as primordial things

Like water and stuff

Inma research that

[burnt grove]

Okay Drow with Egyptian Religious style where each grain of grass can be a god?

Blade of grass**

[solar crow]

I did a total of 1180 damage in 2 turns today

[brittle nebula]

So on DND beyond you can only create homebrew magic items, not homebrew regular items?

[burnt grove]

lol can you categorize it as a magic item without any property listed so it’s overwritten? Mechanically?

[brittle nebula]

Eh I’m figuring it out

[ebon geyser]

Chat, does anyone have a campaign that has boon of poison mastery in it 🥀

I need to get it for my character rn but I can't find any available content sharing campaigns at all

[blissful ibex]

just so you're aware; seeking out content sharing like this is against server ToS
Rule 6: #1133105812785610862 message

[ebon geyser]

Oh wha

Wait-

I haven't opened this server in a while and I am being desperate that I forgot to recheck the rules 😭

Sorry

[ebon geyser]

Yep, my bad-

[blissful ibex]

you're good XD, but yeah; the content you're looking for is part of Forgotten Realms: Heroes of Faerun, so would need that book on DDB to access it

[ebon geyser]

I am so poor lwk 🥀
Ehh, I will manage

Thanks tho

[undone rain]

I sometimes hate dndbeyond. Helpful sure but frustrating

[empty thicket]

yep, welcome to it

But isnt bad at all
I wish some new books came with a code that you could scan with the phone and activate them in your account, 1 use

[solar crow]

I put how I did the 1180 damage in 2 turns in #tales-from-the-table

[errant crag]

So disappointed that the wording of the Graze property says the damage can't be increased by anything other than increasing the ability modifier because otherwise it would be increased by Rage Damage bonus

[empty thicket]

....what even can tank that?

[solar crow]

Alien God boss

Homebrew monster

[empty thicket]

Alien like Alien Vs predator or alien more like a mindflayer?

[solar crow]

This was session 1 of 3 for this fight

[solar crow]

Idk

It's a crazy creature thing

It's specific for this campaign

This is an insane fully buffed up campaign. We got a feat with every ability score increase, we all have custom items, special campaign item that gets better after every session, and we're all level 20

This is NOT a normal campaign by any means

[empty thicket]

yeah, noticed.
If dealing 1200 damage dont kill something, i would find it concerning

[solar crow]

Again it's our BBEG

It's not meant to go down yet

Today was phase 1 of 3 of our fight

[daring stump]

Bosses doesn't go in one session and there are phases to them, since when??😶

[vast saddle]

So, I talked to my DM. I realized my PC has been becoming my trauma source, so I decided to transfer my PC ownership to the DM team so it can be the villain of the story. Is it such an odd decision?

[empty thicket]

some campaigns can do that
More if the enemy is giga stronger

Or sometimes can do some stuff like "The BBEG got Vortex Wrapped out of danger and is running away"

[daring stump]

1200 damage?? ☠️ How many dice one has to roll for that??😭

[empty thicket]

he explained and... was a lot

Part radiant

[worn crow]

No, that's a pretty good thing to do honestly. I don't know if I'd ever just hand over my character to be used as a villain(But that's just me), but if something is beginning to take a toll on your mental health within a simple game, then yeah, do what you can to prevent that, either by getting rid of the character, taking a break or leaving a campaign entirely

[daring stump]

Am I gonna be like facing them any time soon? Like is there a possibility?

I think you can probably tell that, but I am new so I don't really know much.

[empty thicket]

na, it think he said its a custom campaign mostly

unless your Dm want to put an enemy capable of tank such mess

[daring stump]

Okay I will read the chat and will try to understand, it got my interest now.

[daring stump]

Dang it 😓

[solar crow]

Welcome to our campaign nothing is normal

[daring stump]

I thought it was normal but unfortunately turns out it isn't 🫤, and I probably won't get to fight boss like that any time soon..

[solar crow]

No this is not a normal fight

Nothing about this campaign is normal

No normal rules apply

[burnt grove]

A phase shifting boss isn’t that mechanically hard to do lots of ways to incorporate it from Posession of a evil spirit that leaves the host to use its full abilities to simply a team mate joining the boss and healing them up using different tactics with their team mate

[fossil hollow]

Mythic monsters, using another statblock

[solar crow]

Not possession

[daring stump]

Yeah Fracno explained that it's kinda rare, or that's what I got from them explaining.

[solar crow]

My dm won't tell us how it's working

[burnt grove]

Possession or an avatar of a god spirit

[solar crow]

She but yeah no the whole campaign is heavily homebrew

[solar crow]

Alien God

[burnt grove]

Zuggtmoy is a thing fungal goddess close enough

[daring stump]

That sounds siiiick!!

[solar crow]

Alien God that does time things cause absorbed powers from a time God thing that created the dungeon we're in

[burnt grove]

Which part lol I’m just spitting ideas

[daring stump]

Ooh, puzzles and mystery, I like that, like you have to figure out things on your own. I like the spirit.

[burnt grove]

Just don’t make them too hard .. some 5th grade puzzles stump the average DnD player

[daring stump]

I imagined them all together and that part.

[solar crow]

One of the members of our party is at 1 hp

[empty thicket]

it seems like, still nice

[burnt grove]

Quick bonus action throw a rock lol!!!

[solar crow]

Ye it's fun

[empty thicket]

I would love to try to do one around survival and kinda hardcore stuff (resources, injuries, etc. etc.)

its in the "To do list"

[daring stump]

I kinda want like the challenge, I will love that, and the phase changing boss idea that isn't even done after 1200 damage, is amazing. It's like work of art and I like it.

[burnt grove]

Look at 3.5 resting rules 1hp unless a healer in your party long rest and injuries last adopt that but allow a meal to add like temp ho or something

Would be a nightmare

[daring stump]

You rolled nat 20(yes it was 20 sided rock)

[burnt grove]

Off

Oof

[empty thicket]

yeah, food would have some sort of system too
Food obtained through magic would only satiate while food hunted, recollected, fished, etc. etc. would give some T. HP

if not some lil buffs like a bless in some roll or stuff like that

[burnt grove]

Yea

[empty thicket]

lil effects that reward the effort of hunt//search

[burnt grove]

Monster Hunter style let’s go

[empty thicket]

i wish but not at all
More like The Long dark

[burnt grove]

Nice

[daring stump]

Btw what lvl were/are your characters?

[burnt grove]

Me? I haven’t had a character in years

A year

[empty thicket]

Its a Figther, champion. Lvl 7

[daring stump]

I thought you were a player (and a ranger)😅

[burnt kraken]

Hey I have a question, is there any way to enchant a battle axe like the leviathan axe from God of War? So like ice magic or an enchantment to recall it to me from a specific distance?

[burnt grove]

I mean trying to be but every campaign falls flat for me lol

[burnt grove]

Either get kicked or the group disbands

[glass granite]

Giant barbarian sublclass is what you want

[empty thicket]

idk if you can enchant with return weapon a coldbrand axe

[daring stump]

Ooh, sounds nice, I've heard that nobody gets to lvl 20 is that true? And that the battles are soo powerful and legendary that words sometimes become less to explain them 👀

[glass granite]

Some do

[primal wolf]

welp. Just got banned from my table for trying to use the crafter feat

[burnt grove]

Artificer 1 level Returning Weapon With Fighter levels or Eldritch Knoghg would work too

[glass granite]

I assumed they wanted to throw it

[daring stump]

lol, you never know maybe we might be in a same party in future xD

[burnt grove]

Yes

[empty thicket]

Yep, lvl 20 is rare, reaching it is too long and finally a lvl20 fight is.... you are fighting really strong entities or you are fighting a whole army

[burnt grove]

Both of those work for thrown weaponry

[daring stump]

Oh, hey wassup @glass granite !! Hyd?

[empty thicket]

5 lvl 20 characters can literally be War changing

[daring stump]

I've heard that there are only tales and lores about those.. 👀

[burnt grove]

Shrug maybe maybe not

It’s up to luck lol

[glass granite]

Can a battle axe be thrown?

[glass granite]

I’m alive, on holiday rn

[daring stump]

I will love to see those

[burnt grove]

I mean your kinda right but a hand axe can be 1d6 not 1d8 but battle axes not really

[daring stump]

Sure ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯

[empty thicket]

if a normal fight would take 30m to 1 hour.
One of those would take 2hours depending of what they are fighting

[glass granite]

1d8 or 1d10, but ye.

[daring stump]

You enjoying it? If not, I hope you do.

[glass granite]

Been aight

[burnt kraken]

So it should be a hand axe not a battle axe?

[still plover]

For?

[burnt grove]

Depends how late you wanna throw it

[glass granite]

Battle axes can’t be thrown easily, which is why I recommend the giant barbarian subclass tha can imbue your axe with elemental energy, let you throw it, and let you recall it

[daring stump]

You are making me more intrigued, I'll give you that.

[burnt kraken]

The character it’s for is a Goliath Barabrian, I basically made a combination of Kratos and the rock

[daring stump]

But only if someone can come up with masterpiece like that

[primal wolf]

magic item crafting

[burnt grove]

This is the easier way to throw a battle axe at 6th level Hand axes can be thrown at any level

[glass granite]

You can have a Goliath giant barbarian

It’s a subclass

[burnt grove]

Ye

[burnt kraken]

Ok didn’t know that

[glass granite]

This is true tho

[still plover]

If you don't want to share the story, that's okay. Shame to lose a group over it though.

[primal wolf]

oh it's just there's not a ton to it; i wanted to be a crafter, DM told me the feat would be useless and shops don't exist and offered 1d8 gp a day as compensation and when I said that wasn't really a worthwhile trade I was out

[limber trail]

(to be fair, the crafter feat only really has usages with buying and creating nonmagical items. It RAW doesn't help you with crafting magical items)

[burnt grove]

Leviathan is definitely a battle axe aesthetically though so just use hand axes until 6 and the battle axe at 6 and in melee oh lol I forgot who I was talking too

[primal wolf]

(purchasing materials falls into its preview though)

[limber trail]

It does

[tribal night]

Baldur's gate is so metal sometimes

[jovial talon]

The AI scares me. They always know more than you think they do.

[feral fulcrum]

Giant Barb is however focused on throwing weapons. It's more Hill Giant then any other kind of Giant.

[burnt grove]

It is

[tribal night]

I mean I'm not complaining, just like a DM commanding troops

[primal wolf]

It was mostly because their previous offer of rolling for materials with d4's, with disadvantage to alchemical ones [My PC is an alchemist] was so bad I thought they just wanted me to leave. When I said they could just say they want me gone instead if they really did just not want me to play; they then banned me but not before insulting me some first. 😩

[jovial talon]

It’s more their understanding of Cause and Effect. They feel alive and CRAFTY (With notable exceptions) and I seek to emulate that.

[tribal night]

That's why baldur's gate is so goated

I LOVE playing tactician mode

I don't think I will be able to handle honor mode,

[jovial talon]

You can always make a custom, set it to honor, and then switch off single save. Honor really isn’t that much harder than Tac without the looming threat of single save.

[tribal night]

I just use mods to do that

I'm playing ULTRA tactician mode

basically extra health and a chance of a second action

[primal wolf]

I don't understand why it's so hard to find a game where my PC can have and use gold

[tribal night]

Oh yeah the damage just HURTS sometimes

because an enemy dealt 90 damage IN ONE HIT.

IN ACT 1.

[errant crag]

You mean like starting gold?

[primal wolf]

i mean like any amount of gold beyond starting gold

[tribal night]

I like to have no starting gold

[primal wolf]

I'd like to have a game with average gold rather than being forced into poverty all the time

[errant crag]

Is your DM a newer DM?

I see a lot of newer DMs be terrified to give out gold because they think it will somehow lead to the players becoming super overpowered

[glass granite]

I feel like if they straight up said there’d be no stores it might be because of the setting

[strong wave]

Oof

[tribal night]

Max charisma and no starting cash

Flirt your way to the top

[tough sandal]

The last check I gave my players was like 10,000 gold.

The highest was 12,500.

(all was split amongst the party.)

[errant crag]

Did the DM say there'd be no stores?

I don't think Sil has said whether or not the DM has said anything like that

[tough sandal]

GP is basically the EXP in Milestone Leveling. :>

[errant crag]

Gold doesn't impact your level

[jovial talon]

Wasn’t old edition XP literally your net worth?

[primal wolf]

i was going to play a crafter PC; conj mage with artificer dip. Was given the OK to do that, only after session 0 we learn we won't have any gold and stores don't exist; i mentioned this would be an issue for a crafter, their homebrew system was an Extreme nerf, i pointed that out, I was tablebanned

[errant crag]

Sounds like you dodged a bullet

Bad dm

[jovial talon]

Yeah that’s scuffed

[errant crag]

Allowing you to play something that they know will be near useless with their house rules is bad DM behavior

[glass granite]

#dnd-discussion message
going based off this

[errant crag]

They should have warned you of that when you presented the character concept

[errant crag]

Ah I didn't see it was talked about earlier

[tribal night]

Bad DM, don't worry

A DM who cares more about "balancing" than their own player's fun is a bad DM.

[primal wolf]

yeah i was trying to use the 2024 crafting rules and they offered me '1d4 materials per combat [dis on alchemical ones] instead of gold. My PC is canonically an alchemist

[burnt grove]

Not always

[tribal night]

If it's gonna be fair, make it fair and fun

It doesn't matter how balanced you make something, if your players aren't having fun, then theres an issue.

[limber trail]

I don't think balance and fun are separate interests. Most balancing is generally done in preserving the fun of the group. I've got firsthand experience at games where balance wasn't considered, and it did lead to less fun

[tribal night]

That's true

[glass granite]

I think the point is, balancing should be done in the interest of the players, and the latter should be prioritised over the former

[tough sandal]

What I mean is GP is a strong tool for character progression.
Milestone leveling can take a while, as a GM who uses it. :>

[tribal night]

Prioritize players over balance

that's how you become a good DM

[strong wave]

Can you even make a crafter character in DND? Like the crafting aspect seems pretty rudimentary

[primal wolf]

They were cool with homebrew magic items just not with me using crafting, i guess.

[tribal night]

After all, the session's enjoyment is on your hands so DMs has to be cautious

[errant crag]

No this isn't the case

Some players really care about balance

I hate any game where balance is thrown out the window for "fun"

[tough sandal]

Me and my Rune Knight Fighter worked together to make a bunch of custom runes.
There was a rune that I asked him to nerf, otherwise I would've had to rebalance monsters in a way that would undermine other character's tools.

[glass granite]

I wouldn’t say that it automatically makes them a bad DM, but it is a negative trait imo

[jovial talon]

Not 100%. There are plenty of players who enjoy the set mechanical aspects of the game. Keeping these things in balance makes you a good DM.

[tough sandal]

Play proved that custom rune to be too powerful.

[tribal night]

I said fun, not unenjoyable

[primal wolf]

I mean i'd say i'm a player who cares about balance a lot

[tribal night]

that's an unenjoyable game

[limber trail]

Valuing the balance of the game is a pretty important part of DMing. You do have a responsibility to be the adjudicator of the game.

[errant crag]

You're contradicting yourself

[glass granite]

No I agree with Kan

[tribal night]

No, I said you shouldn't balance something to ruin the experience of the player

[errant crag]

That a DM who cares about balance is a bad DM?

[tribal night]

Not "oh yeah make everything super op it's hilarious"

I never said that, nobody ever said that.

[glass granite]

Balance is great, and it’s something that should generally be valued, but if it leads to players not being satisfied then it needs to be reviewed

[tribal night]

Exactly, that's what I meant

[glass granite]

I don’t believe that was their point

[primal wolf]

i do think "1d8 gold a day" isn't really balanced for a group of level 7's

[errant crag]

And you guys feel that's literally always the case?

[strong wave]

What does blue name mean

[glass granite]

Yes, I do.

[errant crag]

So if a player attacks and misses all their attacks and is dissatisfied then you should just let them hit all the attacks balance be damned?

[finite lodge]

Hello

[tribal night]

Theres a thing called "restarting battle" that DM does if the party preforms bad, ever heard of it?

[glass granite]

That’s different, that’s just luck. This is specific mechanics and balancing factors that a DM can implement to the party

[errant crag]

No that's ridiculous

My players don't get save states

[glass granite]

Actually I’ve never heard of that

[tribal night]

Ah maybe my DMs were too generous

since they don't like the players to get a game over

[errant crag]

If failure was never a possibility then your victory meant nothing

[glass granite]

Also, if doing so would be the most fun for the entire party, yes. Though I highly doubt it would.

[umbral girder]

Yep if that’s it then that’s the end. Or make a way to continue the story after that.

[tribal night]

mmm, so if you lose the very first battle the session ends there, heck no why tf would I want that to happen

[errant crag]

Agree to disagree then

[limber trail]

I am of a mindset that if you want to do fun stuff, you should make a character sheet that enables you to do that fun stuff. Rewarding players with things they aren't mechanically able to do means that players then don't get any reward for legitimately planning out a good character build.

Now, this DM in question didn't reward a player who did make those choices, but imo that's less an issue of bad balancing and more an issue of bad worldbuilding and not being clear the expectations of the setting.

[errant crag]

No they make new characters if they died

[glass granite]

Yeah, I can agree with that

[errant crag]

Or the plot progresses with their failure if possible

[jovial talon]

I think he’s more pointing to situations like ”P1 just did 300 damage in one turn while everyone else did a collective 60.” Times where something is an outlier that drains from other parts of the experience.

[errant crag]

I'll wait for him to confirm or deny that

[tribal night]

That is indeed what I meant

[tribal night]

What other possibilities could I be talking about?

[rough basalt]

There's only one system I know of that does "save states" and its a ttrpg of ff14.

[errant crag]

I don't know you're being very unclear

[rough basalt]

Save states in dnd remove what makes dnd more special.

[glass granite]

The way I see it, Kan is just prioritising player fun

[glass granite]

So fun for the entire table

[rough basalt]

That its not just a game where everything happens as you want it every single time.

[errant crag]

If he just said that it's fine but he said DMs who prioritize balance are bad DMs

[tribal night]

I think save states are only necessary for sessions that are hard as balls

[glass granite]

#dnd-discussion message

[errant crag]

Save states make any session easy

[rough basalt]

I think players just need to adapt.

[tribal night]

Like if you expect players to suffer, just have a save state

[rough basalt]

Nah my players can just suffer

[glass granite]

They said that a DM who prioritises balance OVER fun is bad

[tribal night]

True, but losing from something that is downright unfair doesn't sound all too great

[jovial talon]

I think the first option should be avoiding those situations when they aren’t expected.

[tribal night]

🥀

[limber trail]

I don't think they've ever necessary and to me they run entirely counter to the type of game I want to play and run. Consequences of all types are the most fun, an ability to reload back to a save sounds like a waste of my time and fun

[rough basalt]

It's apart of dnd.

[errant crag]

If a player misses all their attacks and say that they're not having fun because of that are you going to just let every attack become a hit?

Is a DM who doesn't a bad DM?

[umbral girder]

That is in fact one of the points of DnD

[strong wave]

Tell them to get new dice lol

[rough basalt]

DnD isn't a video game. You're not forced to take one singular route to victory. And if the dm does force that then it's an issue unless it's a special mechanic.

[limber trail]

Things going badly and suffering some consequences is some of the most fun in DnD. The most engaging fights in my games are the ones that didn't go perfectly, or are even in some cases fights that result in defeat.

[glass granite]

No, I don’t agree with the straight up bad DM point, but I will say that if it leads to the most fun for the most people then I’d do it

[tribal night]

So so, it has to work in a way that allows the players to have fun else it will be a very very short session.

[strong wave]

Balancing encounters is tough work

[rough basalt]

And I have no interest in the fun of players who can't handle failure.

[tribal night]

That is not at all what I said.

[rough basalt]

I have interest in the fun of the player who willingly draws from the deck of many things knowing their PC can be erased permanently pretty much.

[errant crag]

My players want a balanced experience.
If I just started letting stuff fly to avoid any negative emotions whatsoever at the session I would lose all of my players because my players want a mechanically consistent, balanced experience.
That's what they find fun.

[glass granite]

Then sure, you’re prioritising fun

[errant crag]

I'm prioritizing balance

[tribal night]

That's prioritizing fun.

[errant crag]

And my players happen to be the types who find that funn

[rough basalt]

You said that if a player misses all attacks you should just let them redo it. To me that sounds a bit patronizing.

[glass granite]

You’re using balance to prioritise the overall fun of the players

[errant crag]

I'm not prioritizing it because they like it

If my players asked for save states and begged for constant rerolls

They'd get told to hit the road

[tribal night]

When? When did I say that?

[glass granite]

No that was pink and that was saying against that point

[rough basalt]

Ah

[errant crag]

I used that as an example because they said you should handwave balance for the players fun and that you're a bad DM if you don't

[glass granite]

I mean, if it’s not fun for you either then don’t do it. A DM is also playing DnD

[errant crag]

If it was "I don't care about balance as long as the players are having fun" I wouldn't care

I take issue with the statement of "DMs who prioritize balance over players' fun are bad DMs"

That is the thing I take issue with

[tribal night]

I was talking about save states because if the DM KNOWS the players will be tormented, and they KNOW theres too many bad things that can happen, then I feel like it's necessary. I didn't say for it to be in every session.

[rough basalt]

If I had a DM tell me I could just reroll my whole turn cause I missed all four attacks as a level 20 fighter I might just leave the game on the spot.

[tribal night]

And if it doesn't exist then well, who cares it's just unimportant

[errant crag]

That same person then acted like letting players restart while fights they're losing was normal

[glass granite]

I personally wouldn’t add save states in my game, just because it can remove the stakes from combat

[errant crag]

So I don't buy that Kan was talking about situations where one player is more powerful

[tribal night]

Yeah that's perfectly fine, just don't have save states

[limber trail]

I strongly feel that the threat of legitimate torment and bad things happening is one of the best parts of DnD

[glass granite]

I might try it out sometime, but prolly only in a one shot

[rough basalt]

Yeah it's why I play dnd.

[tribal night]

Save states are the DMs choice, I never said you should have save states in your game.

[rough basalt]

When I'm fighting a Lich that wants to conquer a country. I know that if I lose there's no redoing it. The poor people of that imaginary world are screwed if I don't.

[errant crag]

Saying that someone is a bad DM because they're not letting players restart entire fights that they're losing, or are taking balance seriously even if it's not always dopamine hits 100% of the time

Is what I disagree with

[tribal night]

WHO THE HELL SAID THAT.

[limber trail]

You did say you felt it was necessary in fights where the players will be tormented and bad things will happen

[tribal night]

WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT

[errant crag]

#dnd-discussion message

[glass granite]

-# I mean you did call them “necessary”

#dnd-discussion message

[errant crag]

"ever heard of it?"

[glass granite]

I do feel like you’re stretching their point there

[tribal night]

Not required, just feels like it would make it less brutal if the session is known to be totally unfair

[errant crag]

Losing is not totally unfair

[tribal night]

Again it's what I think

[limber trail]

Sometimes the brutality is fun

[fossil hollow]

saves are a core part of the game

[errant crag]

You can fairly lose

[agile hemlock]

What's happening?

[glass granite]

My point is I do get why people could get halfway to that conclusion

[limber trail]

Not those saves

[tribal night]

Yes, and the DM can choose to have save points

[glass granite]

Not saving throws

[tribal night]

not saying every DM should have it

[rough basalt]

Save scumming in dnd.

[glass granite]

Folks I do think we’re making Kan a lil uncomfortable

[fossil hollow]

ooh

[agile hemlock]

How so? Like Divination Wizards, time magic...?

[errant crag]

The wording of "ever heard of it?" explicitly implies that you think it's something most DMs do or that it's something to be expected

[umbral girder]

As in undoing players failing

[rough basalt]

Nah like if party loses a fight the session is redone like reloading an old save.

[limber trail]

Save Points in DnD (letting the party rewind time to a set point in time)

[errant crag]

I would leave the session on the spot if that happened

[limber trail]

I also am gonna be honest DnD takes so long, the idea of having to replay content sounds annoying

[agile hemlock]

I feel that depends on what the group wants to do and if there's a more reasonable explanation for it. Sometimes it's not conducive to always pity your party

[tribal night]

Of course, that's what I meant

seems like I was being misunderstood.

[rough basalt]

Being able to just keep reloading the bbeg fight until you win would take all the joy out of the bbeg.

[glass granite]

I do think you were a bit unclear, but I’m glad we got that settled

[errant crag]

My friend's table almost blew up because we were sick of him constantly handholding us and saving us at every turn, it was ruining the entire game because nothing felt like a serious threat

We had to sit him down and tell him we were all going to quit if he didn't stop

[agile hemlock]

I normally am more benevolent and gracious at the beginning, even down to chargen, but inevitably the road rockets into hell over time

[tribal night]

Yeah that's not what I want, don't worry.

[rough basalt]

Pitying your party can be really offensive to some players. Cause it feels like "ah buddy you got critted and instadowned? The Dragon won't acknowledge you until your back up okay?"

Like have that dragon burn my unconscious ass to a crisp

[errant crag]

I hate it, it does feel insulting to me

[agile hemlock]

That's why I gamble often. If everyone looks like a threat, may as well go for someone the dice tells you to go to

[kind gate]

my party is about to be tpk'd by the bbeg and im making a new character in preparation, are there any effective ways to make my next character more memorable in the roleplay aspect of the game?

[errant crag]

If I make a dogwater character who dies, then they die

I failed to make a good enough character mechanically, or I just got unlucky

Oh well!

[glass granite]

Make them affect others and not just themselves, preferably positively

[tribal night]

My thoughts were more like "Damn did the entire party just get killed in a single attack?"

[errant crag]

I wouldn't play a game about rolling dice if I wasn't okay with getting unlucky

[rough basalt]

I mean I'll be upset about dying sure, but I'd rather die than be saved out of game.

[errant crag]

If that happens then you made an unbalanced encounter

[glass granite]

Alternatively, try to immerse others when you speak and stay consistent enough

[tribal night]

The whole party rolling crit fail is not to be expected.

[agile hemlock]

I think the latter is the crux of the problem that some systems are better or worse at. Theoretically, if unlikely, one can be so unlucky that they're basically shunted from doing anything, effectively countering even the most non-committal plans.

[rough basalt]

What did a crit fail do?

[glass granite]

The entire party crit failing shouldn’t get them one shot

[rough basalt]

Cause I'm wondering if dumb crit fail homebrew going on.

[kind gate]

thats probably gonna work well for my next character, thanks!

[tribal night]

Ah, it's just a mock scenario, don't think too much on it.

[rough basalt]

I had a dm that'd make saving throw abilities do double damage on nat 1s and it'd lead to that kinda nonsense.

Ah I see.

[vagrant crescent]

I understand why they changed it but I miss having to confirm crits

[errant crag]

I don't it makes them almost never happen

Confirming crits makes them exorbitantly rare

[agile hemlock]

The problem with that argument is, given enough optimizing and politicking, you could just gorge yourself on advantages and swing in an entirely different direction, one where success is almost inevitable and demands either a greater challenge or no response at all

[kind gate]

depends on what your doing. for example, if you whiff a spell cast, it might have inverse effects depending on your DM

[empty thicket]

what it mean confirm critics?

[rough basalt]

Reminds me my first crit was in my first try of tabletop with 3.5e and the combat was just 3 rounds of misses then 3 20s on the boss when he came out.

[strong wave]

Confirm crit means if you roll a 20 you have to hit them again to get the benefit

[vagrant crescent]

Back in the day you if you rolled a nat 20 you had to roll to hit a second time. If you hit the second time it was a crit

[empty thicket]

even for enemies?

[vagrant crescent]

But I think there were also more weapons and abilities that increased crit range to nat 19 and 20

[rough basalt]

Yeah this stuff I hate.

[agile hemlock]

In older editions of D&D and Pathfinder, you roll a second die to determine if your initial hit crits. You'd usually roll a 20 and then have to beat thr AC again for a crit; if the second roll fails, then it's a standard hit

[rough basalt]

Yeah you could get a crit range down to like you're critting more often than just hitting.

[empty thicket]

At least tell me critics were stronger or smt

because such requirement sound bad.

[rough basalt]

Well you could expand your crit range a lpt

[agile hemlock]

There are feats to increase the modifier for confirmation only, not attack

[rough basalt]

I think I remember someone telling me they'd crit on like 11s and higher.

[agile hemlock]

That too; weapons could have such wide threat ranges that it was a little necessary

[empty thicket]

okey, that make it more understandable

[rough basalt]

3.5e was the Wild West of game design

WotC was just pumping stuff out with reckless abandon.

[strong wave]

Splatbooks upon splatbooks

[empty thicket]

like, if the critic range were 10 and for confirm i had to go above that, okey

[errant crag]

I suppose confirming crits makes sense if hitting the initial crit is way more likely in the editions with this mechanic

[rough basalt]

They had 4 Splatbooks per action and could action surges for 4 more splatbooka

[agile hemlock]

5e is far more generous with crits since it's just the one roll, and then it can be made even more ridiculous with improved crits... the trade-off being that you'd have to play Champion

[empty thicket]

now in day the crit range can be only modified to 18 // 20
Wish there were spells that let you upgrade it more or smt

Or high lvl infussions of arti that do that

[rough basalt]

Ye at 3.5es height wotc was printing a splatbook a month

[errant crag]

I feel like expanding crit range should primarily be a Martial thing

[rough basalt]

And there were content magazines too

[errant crag]

Martials or gishes

[vagrant crescent]

It just kind of made the crits feel a bit more special. But I think I'm just an old fogey about that

[agile hemlock]

In PF2, crits of all kinds are on a range, usually if roll >= DC + 10

And Fighters are notable crit fishers

[strong wave]

Whats a gish

[rough basalt]

Ye PF2e critting is hilarious

[empty thicket]

yeah, same
But the closest you can get is champion
That its not a bad subclass but that it is

[agile hemlock]

And there are weapons that change weapon die sizes or add dice upon critting

Like, oh, I dunno

Katana and wakizashi

[empty thicket]

I said arti because arti give such juicy upgrades that any martial can use them

[agile hemlock]

(Dual wielding is pretty good)

[errant crag]

2024 Champion is a very solid fighter subclass

[tribal night]

The man's desire to hold two swords

[empty thicket]

the free inspiration each turn is peak

[rough basalt]

Ye PF is a game if you really wanna do math.

[agile hemlock]

Fighters can get mastery in an entire weapon group at like... level 5, and then legendary at level 15 or so

You still specialize in some weapons but you're generally awesome at all of them

[empty thicket]

and survivor is so goated final perk
Its almost a regeneration

[rough basalt]

Funny enough Pathfinder turns go faster than dnd ones usually ime.

[tribal night]

Fighters are silly

[empty thicket]

Yep

[agile hemlock]

Fighters are really strong in PF2

[tribal night]

I like to mainhand spear and offhand longsword

[empty thicket]

Pretty much fighters in general are a good class
Not top tier but always fit

[tribal night]

Fighters are so peak

[vagrant crescent]

I had a lot of fun playing a dex based fighter in my last campaign. She was basically if John Wick was Legolas and also a cat

[tribal night]

I sometimes multiclass a level 3 rogue just so I can get the extra bonus action

the extra bonus action is sooooooooo handy

[agile hemlock]

Also, Champions (basically Paladins) are better defenders than DPS gods in PF2

*rather than

[empty thicket]

and a whole bonus turn? (Action surge)
For a reason no other classes had such thing and its a lvl 2 thing
So others dont just multiclass 1 level for it

[knotty vine]

Dont you get that at level 2?

[empty thicket]

Yeah, its lvl 2 so you at least spend 2 levels into it.
So you dont get it like Action surge, second wind and all the extra with just 1 level

[woven flint]

That sounds like Baulders Gate 3 stuff

[rough basalt]

Yeah I'm thinking someone's using BG3 changes

[tribal night]

Oh it's a baldur's gate 3 exclusive mb

I forgor

[rough basalt]

Ye thief in bg3 gets an extra BA cause it had an ability that wouldn't have done anything in bg3 in 5e.

[empty thicket]

What build would use Thrown weapon fighting really well?
I always think its a non useful fighting style but idk if any of you all can give me something to see it different

[tribal night]

Yeah oopsy, my mistake

[rough basalt]

Actually it could've been but they opted for the 2 BA.

[knotty vine]

OH yeah thief rogue just got another BA

[errant crag]

A light weapon fighting martial character who is throwing daggers or handaxes with every attack

[tribal night]

Speaking of BG3, I will do a durge session in honor mode

[errant crag]

I played a Ranger like that it was pretty fun

[kind gate]

returning weapon artificer infusion, thrown weapons are returned to you immediately after you throw them and gain +1 to attacks

[empty thicket]

attack, attack, throw axe and attack kind of stuff?

[errant crag]

More like throw dagger, throw axe, throw dagger, throw axe

[rough basalt]

Ye instead of the bonus action lockpicking

[tribal night]

Dark urge is so peak to play

[knotty vine]

Iron MAN

[errant crag]

All the light weapon fighting and Nick mastery stuff can be done with thrown weapon attacks if the thrown weapons are light

And is fairly easy to do since the Thrown property lets you draw the weapon as part of the throwing attack

[knotty vine]

there aint a lot of thrown light weapons

[errant crag]

All the thrown weapons are light weapons except the dart IIRC

[vagrant crescent]

I did Dark Urge on my second playthrough. My plan was to go Full Evil. And then he met Karlach (who I somehow missed entirely on my first playhtough) and I was like "No she won't love me if I'm mean!"

[errant crag]

Oh and the Spear and Trident

[empty thicket]

Daggers, handaxes, javelins are what i think would be the most efficient tool for that

[errant crag]

And Javelin

I mean you need the Nick mastery anyways for it and any weapon with Nick is light

[tribal night]

I make him accurate to the dark urge introduction in the main menu, making him a confused lizard that has a thirst for blood sometimes

[empty thicket]

throw handaxe first for Vex and then other stuff for it take advantage

[errant crag]

I did it with Daggers but also snuck in Hand Crossbow shots

[tribal night]

Also maybe it's just me, but I REALLY love making my guardian a male dwarf

[errant crag]

You have to attack with the Nick weapon before the second light weapon for Nick to work but if you wait to use the Nick attack with your Extra Attack you can do this

[empty thicket]

throw 8 daggers to an enemy would be nice ngl

wait, with nick i could attack and then throw the weapon?

[errant crag]

You could throw the Nick weapon

[knotty vine]

Greatsword!!

[tribal night]

I'm trying honor mode, but I'm scared to activate ultra mode in honor

[knotty vine]

I still want the brutal grip feat to be official

[tribal night]

Especially since I plan to make this a solo durge run

[errant crag]

I made a whole ranger around this setup who got 4 attacks by level 5 using the Dual Wielder feat

[keen kestrel]

I'm doing this as a noble genie paladin, it's so fun

[empty thicket]

The thing im kinda having a hard time is seeing which subclass would use it better

[knotty vine]

I wanna use a two handed weapon with a shield

[empty thicket]

Champion?
Banneret?

[errant crag]

Theres a magical shield that does that

[knotty vine]

Thats like very rare through

[errant crag]

Champion with an Elf and Elven Accuracy

4 attacks rolling (in theory) 3d20s every attack

[kind gate]

pretty sure there is a bug race with multiple arms

[errant crag]

Big chances to crit

But you gotta mainly use Daggers if you want to throw them

[knotty vine]

its smaller arms cant use shield i think

[glass granite]

Thri kreen has limitations

[errant crag]

Otherwise go Scimitar and Shortsword

[glass granite]

Can’t use shields and can only use the hands to wield Light weapons

[kind gate]

unfortunate

[glass granite]

Indeed

[knotty vine]

The brutal grip feat just allows you to use 2 handed weapons in 1 hand

[glass granite]

Never heard of it

[knotty vine]

Its 3rd party is why

From Tower of secrets

[glass granite]

Ah that makes sense

[knotty vine]

I wanna use a maul and shield!

[kind gate]

what are the wisdom-based skills?

[knotty vine]

Mediance Per Animal handing

And survival

[woven flint]

Medicine, Animal Handling, Survival, Insight and Perception

[knotty vine]

I forgot about insight

[kind gate]

i thought medicine was intelligence, thanks for clearing that up

[knotty vine]

Its not

[woven flint]

Its wisdom

[kind gate]

yep

[karmic heath]

I want a sword

But like…IRL

[kind gate]

what kind

[kind gate]

i must know

[tribal night]

A man's dream

[glass granite]

I want two swords

[tribal night]

Funny I always say a man's dream but what would a woman want?

[glass granite]

And a partisan

[tribal night]

I think they prefer one sword over two sword

[glass granite]

Plus maybe a donut

[kind gate]

i think you might be right

[karmic heath]

Also a sword

[kind gate]

hell yeah

[karmic heath]

Know what Mr?

Like why?

[kind gate]

what kind of sword

[karmic heath]

Ohhhhhhh

[tribal night]

"Man why are women swords twice as much as men swords?"
Men: "ARE YOU KIDDING ME? THIS IS AWESOME!" holding two swords

[karmic heath]

Idk tbh….maybe Katana?
Longsword?
Not picky. Just has to have like
A good vibe.
Aesthetic.
Pleasing.

[kind gate]

thats spouse material right there

[tribal night]

I want moonlight greatsword!

Give me TWO moonlight greatswords

[kind gate]

grass crest shield.

[karmic heath]

Probs never use it. And that’s fine!
Still would be cool.

[tribal night]

Or maybe bunker shield for swordshield

[kind gate]

which souls game

[normal canyon]

What’s a moonlight greatsword

[tribal night]

I forgor

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ive only played ds1 and elden ring

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souls game reference, but in DND they are just swords that glow when unsheathed

[normal canyon]

Ok

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👍

[karmic heath]

Yall getting fancy it huh?
I respect it.

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My favorite description for moonlight greatsword in DnD
"A sword that shines like the moon, it feels otherworldy. It's surprisingly light despite it's large size."

[glass granite]

I’d like a polish sabre, a nodachi, a partisan, and a donut

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Theres two things I always beg the DM to add

Hatsune Miku and Moonlight Greatsword

[kind gate]

why miku? just make a bard that always goes all in on preformance checks

[tribal night]

That's what I do lol

I meant Miku that can be invited in a tavern

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dont forget a Light Hammer that is flavored as a mic

[tribal night]

I tend to give her a dwarven forged mic

[kind gate]

"i cast... shatter"

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The description I add to it is also pretty silly
"A microphone made out of fine dwarven metal. Amplifies thunder type damage, seems like dwarves really liked idols to make something like this."

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PFFT

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paired with the elemental adept or metamagic adept feats with transmute spell...

oh god

OH

the leeks dont forget the leeks

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Yeah that's what I do

Her mainhand weapon is a leek, instrument microphone

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what can the leek POSSIBLY be made of

[tribal night]

The leek deals psionic damage because hear your music running through my mind

[tribal night]

Psionic leek lmaoo

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and if you take the psionics wizard subclass...

thats a lot of potential

miku and the bbeg im fighting would be #1 opps

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Miku's main damage is psionic and thunder 🗣️

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my bbeg is trying to turn the world into a slient place made of pure ashes

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Miku trying to make everyone smile from her loud music

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#1 opps, like i said

mofo would target miku immediately

[knotty vine]

i thought it would be force

[tribal night]

Oh yeah, later on if adamantine is unlocked, you can forge an adamantine speaker

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genius

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I considered it but psionic makes more sense because "hear your music running through my mind"

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anyways its time for me to work on my post-tpk character now

what should i try and run, be as vague as physically possible