dnd-discussion

[round mountain]

I love Obyriths tooooo. Pale Night is such a cool design imo

[woven flint]

My favorite is my boy Obox-ob

[round mountain]

But the other eldritchy ones are awesome

[woven flint]

Heinous ass vermin creature

[round mountain]

Yis

[hot marlin]

In Pathfinder, the Qlippoth were the original denizens of the Abyss, before there were mortals to trigger the breeding of demons. The Qlippoths hate demons for having taken their territory, for having individuality, for refusing to destroy the universe, and for outcompeting them through numbers. So how do the Qlippoths deal with it?

[limber trail]

You do, the children yearn to delve into the abyss

[hot marlin]

The Qlippoths figured out that if you exterminate all mortals, there are no more crimes nor souls to help demons procreate.

[woven flint]

The reasonable answer

[limber trail]

compelling logic

[hot marlin]

The Qlippoths are also relatively chill with non-demonic non-mortals.

[umbral girder]

Remove the 2

[hot marlin]

There's a bit of fiction where one qlippoth says that exterminating the mortals is too hard, so another solution might be to encourage mortals to become good.

[umbral girder]

Anyway gnight.

[hot marlin]

Which is a hilarious idea. That qlippoth tries to present the idea that the greater evil requires a necessary good

Which is encouraging virtue in mortals

[severe rampart]

-1 Charisma (House rule my DM has, every time a player makes a 67 joke)

[unkempt atlas]

BOSS BATTLE TIME WITH US LUCK

[paper portal]

are there ways of transforming into monsters other than wild shape and polymorphs

[round mountain]

More specifically, you want to change species?

[woven flint]

Shapechange lol

[round mountain]

If not, the first thing that comes to mind is undead warlocks form of dread.

[woven flint]

some magic items as well!.. but those are few and far between

[jolly agate]

If the Oath of Vengance is your power. What are you without it?

[round mountain]

I have no idea why my name is this actually, it was changed.

[past nymph]

A paladin?

Did I guess right?

[round mountain]

xD

[jolly agate]

Yes, You earned a cookie

[past nymph]

Much obliged crunch

[empty thicket]

A knight searching to fix the wrongs from those i took revenge, so in fact an oath of redemption

[past nymph]

Delightful

[jolly agate]

Meh, half cookie

[past nymph]

Is this the place where you talk about anything dnd or can it be homebrew aswell?

[past nymph]

Ooooo I like that
That sounds cool

[woven flint]

What is redemption if not getting revenge for ones own past actions? 🧐

Trying to sound wise, but in reality, YAPPING.

[severe rampart]

My motto

if yapping is your power, what are you without it?

[woven flint]

A nice person

[past nymph]

Don't know sounded pretty smart their doc

[severe rampart]

a fair answer

[deep saddle]

Does anyone have an minecraft campaign

[severe rampart]

I'd assume someone would have made something like that

[deep saddle]

I really want to play one

[jolly agate]

I'm almost certain that exists.

[deep saddle]

Ok

[severe rampart]

as the DM?

[jolly agate]

It might be cool, there should be a mod for that

[severe rampart]

there is actually

[jolly agate]

Whit rolls and stuff. And checks

[severe rampart]

well, something close

[deep saddle]

No

[past nymph]

I try to beat Minecraft but in dnd
Not clickbait very real

[severe rampart]

Then you're gonna have a tough time to get a DM to run it if they don't want to

[deep saddle]

Ik

[past nymph]

I'm trying to run a homebrew division game that I'm tinkering with

[deep saddle]

I can play as a DM but I don't play as on much

[jolly agate]

Anyway, did yall know that chicken wings and frog legs look the same?

[deep saddle]

Kinda

[past nymph]

Do they taste the same?

[jolly agate]

Cuz i know it now. I ate a lot of frog 😭

[deep saddle]

They kinda taste the same

[past nymph]

Hm very intriguing 🤔

I would try that for a quarter

[jolly agate]

Bbq frog legs, they aint that bad.

[deep saddle]

I know

[past nymph]

Heck I tried sushi and ended up liking it so what one more wacky thing to try for a palette cleanser

[deep saddle]

Fair

[round mountain]

I traid snails not too long ago. Just taste like calamari or muscles

[past nymph]

Ooooo very cool

Now i want to try

[deep saddle]

Yea

[severe rampart]

the urge to run a oneshot but not knowing what to run

[round mountain]

I found this cool one called chaos at the coral court

It had jellyfish people

[deep saddle]

I know

[prime basin]

Ghosts of saltmarsh has a bunch of mini-adventures (i think) if you haven't tried them yet

[past nymph]

I seen one where your in a falling dungeon and are being tracked down by your ghost selfs and must escape unless crushed when the dungeon hits the fllor

Floor*

[jolly agate]

Oh yeah i would NEVER eat snails

I'm afraid of snails.

Like, really afraid

[past nymph]

Are you immortal by chance?

Just asking

[jolly agate]

Im still alive aint i?

[past nymph]

Lol

[round mountain]

What about them makes you afraid

[jolly agate]

Or maybe I'm just a computer-generated copy of myself and the dead internet theory is true

[past nymph]

That's very scary to think about

[jolly agate]

They are so ewwwww... They're made of slime and have no internal organs, and salt kills them.

You know what else dies with salt? Witches and red caps.

[round mountain]

xD

[past nymph]

Then by proxy slugs as well

[jolly agate]

Snails are the devil!

[past nymph]

Aw the dragon ate me gif
I'll pay 25 gold if anyone can slay the beast

[molten robin]

*attempts and dies

[past nymph]

Got greedy there rouge

[deep saddle]

What is a good dnd campaign to do

[unkempt atlas]

GUYS THIS BOSS BATTLE IS INSAAAAAAAAAAANE

[severe rampart]

Curse of Strahd

[unkempt atlas]

OH MY GOOODNESS

[jolly agate]

any on Exandria. Or maybe that one in Waterdeep

That's like a massive dungeon

Under Waterdeep

[prime basin]

I have yet to play in exandria

which is unfortunate, because it's probably my favorite dnd setting

[jolly agate]

Ye is such a cool setting

[past nymph]

I have only played like 3 games of dnd in my life time

[deep saddle]

What is the main class do you play in dnd

[past nymph]

Barb

But I was thinking of going cleric

[severe rampart]

Spellcasters, all of em

except Druid

[steady sentinel]

So gotten curious about something

What's the most broken wizard class???

[deep saddle]

I play druid

[past nymph]

Lmao

[severe rampart]

Druid isn't for me

[empty thicket]

for now what i mostly tried was Fighter.
Want to try Wizard and Rogue in some moment

[severe rampart]

Rogues are fun, Wizards too

[jolly agate]

Wizard

[deep saddle]

Ok thats nice

[empty thicket]

yeah but heard a lot of "rogues are weird", from wizard they are okey.
They are in fact the fighter of spellcasters

[past nymph]

Barbarian is pure health and dps what their not to love

[deep saddle]

Honestly its confusing

[severe rampart]

Diviner maybe?

[prime basin]

The most broken wizard subclass is usually considered to be bladesinger, divination, or chronurgy

[severe rampart]

that's not why I don't like it

[deep saddle]

Ok

[jolly agate]

Honestly i love Graviturgy wizards

[severe rampart]

oh yeah, Bladesingers exist

[steady sentinel]

Ic ic and thanks

[empty thicket]

Yeah, bladesinger is... something

[past nymph]

Yep this is a conversation

[empty thicket]

Its a "rage" but with spellcasting.

[past nymph]

Yep definitely words

[empty thicket]

That i find weird because Eldritch knight dont get such treat too or hexblade

its weird

The concept is good, i love it. Numbers and in paper is op

[steady sentinel]

Honestly I'll agreed with that. Though hex on Hexblade is really soild ngl

[empty thicket]

maybe in practice not at all

In any way, buff artificer

[steady sentinel]

Tbh I feel that way with Beast Barb

[severe rampart]

I dislike artificer, nerf it more

[past nymph]

As a novice player this overwhelms me lol

[severe rampart]

you can always LARP like those d&d creators that have never played and instead chase the algorithms through "random = funny"

[jolly agate]

Bard best class in dnd

[severe rampart]

True

[empty thicket]

Its a good caster, wont know if the best of them all

[steady sentinel]

Lmao one shot questers energy lmao

[past nymph]

But i want to know and play the game :(

[severe rampart]

exactly who I was talking about

[severe rampart]

too bad, you're gonna think that Vicious Mockery is the best cantrip and is a "to hit"

[empty thicket]

i try to do a top 2 in every line of classes
Figther and Rogue Martials
Wizard and Cleric Casters
Paladin and Ranger Hybrids

[past nymph]

:(:(:(

[limber trail]

I have not ever seen a DnD short that exemplifies what I would say is acceptable behaviour for a player lmao

[steady sentinel]

Bard though I do love spirits

[rough basalt]

Nice. You'll get it over time.
You don't need to know everything about dnd, just what you wanna use and how to use it.

[unkempt atlas]

Boss battle over, I was so insane I clutched so hard

[severe rampart]

"Nat 20 on the vicious mockery" "Oath of Throwing It Back Paladin" "The Wizard is so fragile a gust of wind kills it"

[rough basalt]

Ah good ole one shot questers

[limber trail]

Oh you at least get funny ones, I get m*nmaxers and m*rderhobos

[past nymph]

I heard those are bad

[severe rampart]

"funny"

[steady sentinel]

Tbh getting overwhelmed as a wizard is brutal lmao

[rough basalt]

Not inherently, at least for minmaxing

[past nymph]

Aren't they squishy and backsides supports?

[rough basalt]

Min maxing is perfectly valid as long as it's healthy for the game.

[past nymph]

How do you balance that?

[rough basalt]

Which is said, actually following the rules, not bothering other PCs to min/max.

[limber trail]

I should be clear, the minmaxers in question are also just bad players

[empty thicket]

yeah, minmax and be just, giga broken with few work on it is... not nice

[limber trail]

Which not all minmaxers are

[empty thicket]

If it take a long time to get X stuff, then okey, there was an investment

[rough basalt]

Tbh it is pretty hard so it's advised to not have minmaxers in groups it's not compatible with.

[steady sentinel]

And yes I was a blade singer and got done so dirty. Enemy misty step right behind fighters and barb and had mage slayer so was down in 3 hits

[rough basalt]

DnD is very much a game where the group needs to be compatible

[past nymph]

:/ noted

[rough basalt]

Now that being said there's levels of optimizing a PC

There's levels of optimization that can fit in fine with more average games

[past nymph]

Oof

[limber trail]

Minmaxing is also best done as an all-or-nothing practice. One super strong player and four average players sucks for almost everyone involved

[rough basalt]

Like I always make PCs that are very good at their thing.

[steady sentinel]

It was a fun time getting back up and falling back down

[rough basalt]

And what happens is I got a Rogue that kicks ass and helps my party out a lot

[round mountain]

I feel like enemies in D&D hit way too hard

[past nymph]

If i minmax on claric if that seen as bad
Just full on healing?

[rough basalt]

Nah they hit as they should

[rough basalt]

It depends on the rules and the type of game.

[empty thicket]

Same, if i do a fighter i will want my character being good in, Fight.
I embrace too the fact that i might not be the best in some other stuff, call it some religion or investigation check

[steady sentinel]

Nah it's just the lovely ava bot lmao

[rotund shell]

if you're picking monsters appropriate for the characters they're facing, DnD monsters shouldn't be hitting too hard

[rough basalt]

Nah getting hit hard is part of the game.

[round mountain]

Perhaps if it's emulating real life. But at higher levels it feels like actually life or death scenarios. Even against normal encounters.

[empty thicket]

Sometimes pick a monster that is not so nice for the party is needed

[severe rampart]

quickly stares to my encounter that I built

[round mountain]

It's a bit overwhelming for a "game"

[rotund shell]

I know in my current irl game, the monsters are hitting very hard (to the point my poor cleric is dying almost every encounter lol), but I'm having a blast with it, so I don't mind so much

but my DM is throwing CR 14+ monsters at us at level 6.

[rough basalt]

That sounds like normal deadly encounters then

That's doable

[steady sentinel]

Well yeah lvl up means higher risks and rewards ngl

[rough basalt]

I know a DM here who threw a lich at a level 8 party

[rotund shell]

oh yeah, we've won every encounter and only have had 1 death so far (my wizard)

[rough basalt]

And the party won

[coarse acorn]

Who could I talk to about creating a custom region map for my pokemon dnd campaign im dming. I have all of the towns and terrain but im just not much of an artist and ai which usually works just fine for my needs is unable to make coherent maps. If your interested, or even just want more details on my campaign and all of that let me know!

[round mountain]

A creature I hate fighting is wisps

[past nymph]

Is it bad to steal roll 20 assets if im broke as heck?

[rough basalt]

Hell I got my level 6 party queued up for potentially fighting an Adult Green Dragon (cr15)

[round mountain]

Super high ac, they hit hard, go invis and can perm kill you

[steady sentinel]

Depends on the version of the wisps

[round mountain]

And 60ft ms

[severe rampart]

Ooo tell me more

[steady sentinel]

14 version is brutal

24 not so much

[rough basalt]

Wisps are pretty funny

I'm having a lot of fun with my current games.

[severe rampart]

3/4 of the creatures in the encounter I built for my players is custom, and there's a pretty high chance of a character death

[round mountain]

Can I post links here?

[rough basalt]

I'm looking forward to Wednesday to get my Wednesday party back on track

[rotund shell]

I have entirely homebrew monsters ready for my next game.

[rough basalt]

If it pertains to the convo

[rotund shell]

They're basically slivers from MtG >:3c

[limber trail]

That’s about what my party dealt with for their arc boss at level 5. Killed him twice in one day.

[rough basalt]

I use a lot of custom statblocks

[round mountain]

https://roll20.net/compendium/dnd5e/Will-o'-Wisp#content

[severe rampart]

How

[round mountain]

These things are brutal imo

[severe rampart]

I thought throwing a cr 4, cr 3, cr 2, and 8 cr 1/4ths at my players was brutal

[rough basalt]

Rn the setting guide I'm making for my world I've been redoing my custom statblocks.
Turning them from reflavors and buffed up monsters to true custom monsters

[inner silo]

We at a level 4/5 party killed multiple cr10 monsters during our last bossfight. I feel like cr doesn't really work

[limber trail]

They spent time researching him, gathering magic items he was vulnerable to, learning his history, teaming up with past enemies, finding potions for resisting his primarily radiant damage types, etc.

[rough basalt]

Like my CR20 super statblock for my homebrew Giant people. Dude has a rage where all the rune magic implanted on his body activates giving him some serious buffs

[severe rampart]

Okay Batman

[rough basalt]

The BPS res, a heal, and he gets spellcasting he can use while attacking

[limber trail]

I mean yeah planning how to take down an enemy and finally executing on it is awesome, it was one of my favourite sessions I’ve run because it’s a culmination of so much previous adventure

[inner silo]

A raging spell slinging giant?

[severe rampart]

I did simulate the battle between my PCs and the encounter I built, it ended up in 1 hp, 3 hp, 1 hp, 4 hp, and downed

[rough basalt]

With a giant hammer

[inner silo]

Very cool!

[rough basalt]

Another I like is the statblock for the country I'm currently working ons strongest soldiers

[rotund shell]

in a different game system, my players did their research for the big bad and planned out the fight.

The fight was over in 5 rounds because of it. LOL

[rough basalt]

They have a 3 action LA that allows them to end all status conditions on six targets within 60ft

Kinda goes with the God they worship. Felt like something a God known for his primary ideal being freedom would give his strongest devout.

[limber trail]

I made some of those recently and got to deploy them into the field. They were as efficient as I had hoped.

[rough basalt]

The soldiers from the countries neighbor are pretty brutal tho

[limber trail]

A rogue enemy got to sneak attack three times in one round for about three hundred damage all up.

[woven flint]

Hello, stinkies

[rough basalt]

They have abilities to do war cries and have all allies dogpile someone

This week I'm gonna try doing up the custom statblocks for the Blackguard Alliance (the main source of Bandits in the country in my Monday game.)

[limber trail]

(Hold person forces a crit, battle master ally used commanding strike, order cleric ally used healing word for an extra attack out of his turn

[rough basalt]

Rather than just reflavored versions of the PC class statblocks from MPMM

[severe rampart]

Insane

[inner silo]

Goated

[rough basalt]

Which speaking of, one of them killed a PC temporarily so she'll get a Nemesis System promotion

[limber trail]

These are enemies intentionally created and trained from birth to be the best at what they do. Every aspect of their kit is planned to work in complete cohesion with one another. It’s awesome

[empty thicket]

I would place some Nemesis to the players in my campaign, sometimes it would show up and they would had to chose between fighting it or run.
Hard fight but winning would give juicy rewards. Like in resident evil 3

[rough basalt]

I currently have two NPCs that are "promoted" nemesis style

One defeated the original party in the beginning of the campaign and the Fighter looks forward to fighting him again.

And this woman will be.

[inner silo]

Do you know any magic items that are fun but not particularly useful that i could give to a level 2 party?

[rough basalt]

Cloak of Billowing

[severe rampart]

Cloak of Billowing

[severe rampart]

DAMN IT!...

There's an Echo in here

[rough basalt]

Hat of Wizardry

[inner silo]

Oki, i need 4 more

[molten robin]

I love nemesis style writing. Gets the players hyped when they run into them

[rough basalt]

Anything common honestly

[severe rampart]

5 cloaks of billowing, so all of them can bonus action aura farm

[rough basalt]

Common stuff is kinda the early for fun magic items with consumables being nice and useful

[molten robin]

Jar of Air

[inner silo]

Oki, sounds good

[severe rampart]

if you want each cloak could have a custom design made just for them

[inner silo]

I also thought giving them a stone that radiates very very strong magical aura

[rough basalt]

Cause a level 2 Wizard isn't gonna turn down a Scroll of Mage Armor. That's a free mage armor

[empty thicket]

alchemy jug, its good but not will break the whole game

[severe rampart]

I love Cloak of Billowing

[empty thicket]

Chest of preservation just for dont worry about food never

bag of holding is always a good one

[molten robin]

Honestly just scroll through wonderous items in the dnd beyond app or whatever platform you use. You'll find alot of magic stuff that's really cool but virtually useless

[inner silo]

Oki thanks!

[onyx haven]

I think a wizard might be happy with an Enduring Spellbook as a little lvl 2 treat.

[inner silo]

I don't have a wizard sadly

[severe rampart]

or trinkets, trinkets could be fun

[inner silo]

Two players who wanted to play a wizard and a druid swapped to sorcerer last second

[molten robin]

Trinkets are very fun, and could be a fun surprise for new players who've never been to the wilds

[empty thicket]

wait, not chest of preservation, Bag of Bounty so they dont spend in rations and stuff like that

[onyx haven]

Pole of Collapsing is also very functional. It's a 1ft rod that becomes a 10ft pole. Very handy for pushing a button at range 😄

[empty thicket]

I would do like Frieren ngl, i would be searching and getting paid with so casual items

[severe rampart]

My favorite is number 67 - A Dark Red Book that keeps track of all the creatures the owner has killed

[inner silo]

They wanted me to add a bg3 like long rest system so this probably won't work well

[empty thicket]

idk how it is BG3 ngl

[molten robin]

That sounds both awesome and incriminating lol

[inner silo]

You need food for a full long rest

[severe rampart]

or number 59 - a bear plushie that recites bedtime stories to creatures hugging it

[empty thicket]

oh, but bag of bounty give them food, most of the time

[inner silo]

So they won't have to look for it anymore

I might add it as a shop item they can buy later if they get tired of buying food tbh

[molten robin]

If food is a pre requisite for rest then I say don't give them easy access to it

[molten robin]

Where can I buy those? Ill take 3

[empty thicket]

or could just give them reasons for hunt for food or spend some bucks in rests.

[onyx haven]

Oh, completely forgot about this one. The Mystery Key. 5% chance to unlock any lock you put it in. Vanishes on the success.

[severe rampart]

and my final favorite, 51 - a stone that laughs when no one laughs at a joke

[inner silo]

Sounds pretty cool

[empty thicket]

Survival and nature checks are most of time forgotten so, give them reasons to use them oftenly

[inner silo]

Thanks for the help!

[onyx haven]

It's just a common magic item as well. 5% chance of success. 100% will be used on every lock the party encounters until that success lol

[empty thicket]

A bag of holding full of Mystery Keys.

Can take 3 keys per long rest

[fierce trellis]

I was looking at playing a rogue for a campaign when i realized that alot of DM's ive had just allow rogues to hide in plain view and without cover if they succeed the roll. 🤔

[empty thicket]

Yeah, most of them dont even bother at all. If the playerflavor the "hidding" would be nice too

[molten robin]

I mean if youre playing a small creature it makes sense

[fierce trellis]

I guess if the creature isn't looking at you either, it makes sense.

[onyx haven]

🤷 Whatever keeps combat going, I guess.

[fierce trellis]

But yeh seems alot to keep track of.

[empty thicket]

Im going to be honest, sometimes im searching stuff, for example my phone and its in plain sight.
I would like ot think that its the scenario in some of those "hidding" moment

[fierce trellis]

If theres like 8 monsters, how do you keep track of which can see the Rogue.

[molten robin]

They usually have a passive

Passive perception

[fierce trellis]

By RAW You gotta consider how each is affected by cover to though

Because if they only have cover X number of monsters but not all due to placement.

Do they only suceed in hiding against the x?

....my brain hurts now.

[molten robin]

Then they're only hidden from X and can be attacked by Y and Z

[keen valve]

Solution, give the rogue a cloak of invisibility. Now no one sees the rogue. Alternatively, give them a big bolb of infinite flashing, now everyone sees the rogue.
(Not a serious answer, please do not do this.)

[onyx haven]

Just gotta slap the rogue with "So, where's your cover?" lol

[fierce trellis]

A rogue with Greater invisibility would be terrifying.

[keen valve]

I can't remember, was it valid or not valid to just hide behind your allies?

[inner silo]

This is why arcane trickster is goated

[fierce trellis]

But they only get it at the last two levels.

[inner silo]

Better then never

[fierce trellis]

And I've never seen a wizard actually buff a companion more than once 😂

[inner silo]

If you wish you could multiclass them with wizard for better spell progression

[empty thicket]

many classes, mostly martials with that are dangerous

[inner silo]

Bladesinging rogue

An invisible monk is lowkey insane

And they're very fast too so no-one will ever know where they are

[empty thicket]

Tell me that knowing the monk is invisible or the fighter is not more terrifying than a rogue

[inner silo]

Rogue is more fitting

Just they're the weakest class combatwise so ofc they won't be as strong as a fighter

[upbeat mural]

Its funny you say that, given in the last campaign I was in, my monk had a ring of invincibility

[severe rampart]

Monk Endlessly pummeling a creature into a wall

[severe rampart]

If he's invincible, why can I see hi-

[empty thicket]

Seeing the Big crazy guy foaming in rage getting invisible would make me get the 100yards sight.

[fierce trellis]

That... Actually sounds good.
INT Rogue/Bladesinger.
Hit with True Strike. Pop Sneak Attack.

And get insane AC

[inner silo]

I don't think barbarian would want to be invisible tbh. They want their enemies to see their face before death

[inner silo]

15 rogue 5 wizard

[heady pike]

Hi there

I wanted to know with the ruling of Moonbeam.

Can I cast moonbeam on a specific point or does it have to be on a square?

[inner silo]

It's a 5 foot aoe

[upbeat mural]

Unless the barbarian was raised in a home of rogues

[inner silo]

Ok i think you found something scarier then an invisible rogue

[upbeat mural]

wheeze

[inner silo]

Considering barb can use strength for stealth in 2024

It makes sense too

[upbeat mural]

WHAT?

That's a thing??

[inner silo]

Ik, very balanced

[inner silo]

While they're raging, which lasts for 10 minutes and gives them advantage on strength ability checks

[heady pike]

Cn I select in between square?

[inner silo]

I'd ask your dm about it

[upbeat mural]

😲

[glass granite]

Remind me if it’s a 5ft radius or diameter?

[inner silo]

New barb is goated

[inner silo]

Tbh diameter probably

[empty thicket]

He saw his faces when he turned invisible, the most insane and bloodlust sight, an uncanny smile that you could expect from a twisted guy that hold his rage for ages and finally can unleash it.
He knows they are scared and will enjoy every second of it

[glass granite]

It’s radius

[upbeat mural]

I haven't gotten to read over the new stuff yet. Its been about that long since I played. About 2023-24

[inner silo]

Dam

[glass granite]

AOE’s start at a corner of a square, yours would hit 4 squares

[fair summit]

One of my players mentioned in a canpaign that they'd love to find the Ring of Invisibility at some point

They were really happy when I mentioned the ring they identified pretty early on was the Ring of Indivisibility, until they actually looked better at the handout lol

[inner silo]

Btw @glass granite i played the level 20 oneshot as the monk!

[glass granite]

YEEEEE

[inner silo]

It was so fun tbh

[severe rampart]

It was fun wasn't it

[inner silo]

I fell on a tarrasque from 270 feet

[heady pike]

The dm rules that we have to select a square instead of a point.

But I was confused, since its a radius and I want to select a point rather than a square

[severe rampart]

and lived...?

[inner silo]

0 damage

[severe rampart]

Yeah, but did the tarrasque damage you at all

[inner silo]

I did take a bit of damage throughout the fight but healed it all

[severe rampart]

great then!

Monks are very fun to play

[heady pike]

Sorry should of asked in the dnd ruling

[severe rampart]

I still love Bards more

[inner silo]

The only one of us who really struggled at all were a monk bard multiclass and another bard who got eater by the tarrasque

[empty thicket]

One time my party almost killed an owlbear with more hp than a tarrasque, wild session

[upbeat mural]

I wanna play another monk so bad after my last one

[inner silo]

I think i saw a multiclass just for you

[severe rampart]

Should've went full Bard

CME Valor Bard to be exact

[inner silo]

The monk levels were necessary

[severe rampart]

I see

[inner silo]

The tarrasque needed a chance

[upbeat mural]

A monk/cleric combo is devastating

[inner silo]

Peace cleric mercy monk

[woven flint]

Going Full monk by itself is... also pretty devestating

[odd valley]

quivering palm my beloved

[woven flint]

Monks are INCREDIBLY annoying to kill

[deep saddle]

hey if i make a minecraft dnd campaign would anyone join

[severe rampart]

thankfully my monk player is vulnerable to fire :D

[inner silo]

True. I had the highest saves and ac in a party of martials

[woven flint]

Because he's an idi- totally sensible individual

[inner silo]

Btw what happens if a asmodeus tiefling gets voulnerability to fire?

[empty thicket]

yeah, if isnt range is their high dext//AC so... they are something

[woven flint]

I don't care how many times you spin it
Fire weakness as a Fire Goliath is stupid no matter what sense you try to make of it curse wise.

[severe rampart]

ey don't insult my PC, if that's what he wants I'm not gonna deny it from him

then again I'm not gonna hold back from using fire

[upbeat mural]

Yeah cuz like, its built in their race features. Maybe if you said he was scared of fire?

[woven flint]

It would've been more sensical if it was a Frost Goliath 😭😭

[inner silo]

An ent in a fire goliaths body

[severe rampart]

Ice so cold it burns

but yeah, since the encounter I have planned for the party next is ||Skeletons|| he's gonna have a lot of fun with that

[woven flint]

I wish you could see the dead look in my eyes.

[deep saddle]

hey if i make a Minecraft campaign would anyone join

[severe rampart]

Depends, post something in #looking-for-players

[severe rampart]

I'm sorry? I wasn't trying to provoke anything

[deep saddle]

im not able to

[severe rampart]

you gotta check the instructions in #find-a-game

[deep saddle]

ok

[severe rampart]

plan it out first though, don't immediately post it, see if you can make a oneshot of it first, and if you have fun with that and think you can handle making a whole campaign then go ahead

[deep saddle]

i know how i want it i've ben paining this for 3-4 weeks now

[severe rampart]

alright sure, good luck

[deep saddle]

ok

im going to be dm and play if thats fine

[pearl bridge]

Angry luigi is officially invading dnd

[deep saddle]

ok

[hidden spindle]

Modifiers to damage are applied in the following order: adjustments such as bonuses, penalties, or multipliers are applied first; Resistance is applied second; and Vulnerability is applied third.

[deep saddle]

OK

[paper portal]

generally its recommended not to do that cus as a dm its very easy to prefer your own character even if you arent doing it consciously

[deep saddle]

ok i was just asking because in one of my dnd campaign our dm plays too

[odd valley]

i run a dmpc in one of my campaigns and i usually just let the players take the forefront of everything

but it is an extreme balancing act

[paper portal]

yeah you can do it right just most dms wont

[deep saddle]

would one of you like to join my dnd campaign

[humble cairn]

Doesn't that make it just an NPC then?

[agile hemlock]

Best DMPC is a small dinosaur companion

Who bites people’s ankles

[uncut osprey]

yo boy meowth shows up with an axe and some faygo

now what

[round mountain]

Faygo xD

[inner silo]

Oki, thanks a lot for explaining!

[paper portal]

not if its an actual pc with character levels

[inner silo]

Dmpc that takes 1 level in every class

[empty thicket]

A Dmpc that is a Fairy like the fairy from Berserk that follow guts and heal him and work like the Guide from Terraria

[feral fulcrum]

Eh, I'd advoid Dmpc guides unless the party explicitly asks for a Guide, because that drifts too close to railroading. "Here's the path to your objective, follow it."

[rotund shell]

I've used a DM avatar to keep the players on track by simply reminding them of the objective every now and then

how they get to the objective is still up to them

(I love my DM avatar. he's a plane-hopping Kobold with one leg named Schlim. He's been my avatar since his second appearance in one of my campaigns lol)

[empty thicket]

yep, something like this and some kind of map//guide around the world

[round mountain]

Shlim

[rotund shell]

Each time he's reappeared, he's gotten some improvement to his prosthetic leg.

I have to figure out what his next one is

[round mountain]

You should make his leg that immovable stick thing

[rotund shell]

LOL

I had considered that in the past

[reef tundra]

Gun

Prosthetic gun leg

[rough tide]

An immovable rod for a leg?

...I hate and love it.

Also I need to rewrite a small part of a character now

[round mountain]

Just imagine looking up in the sky and a kobold is standing there menacingly in the sky.

Aura

[rough tide]

It would certainly have an effect

[severe rampart]

And he's wearing a cloak of billowing

[round mountain]

He's just piccolo at that point

Wait a minute...

[severe rampart]

Exactly

You could also stand on it if you don't want it as a leg, and aurafarm

[round mountain]

Would also be funny anti kidnapping technology. He's in a carriage being taken away. Boop the entire back of the carriage is ripped outwards

[rough tide]

The Immovable Rod is the root of so many fantastic entrances

But it's the exits that are the best

#find-a-game has the information you seek

[novel summit]

Good Morning ☕️

[soft hare]

Hey chat
If you can convince your DM to agree with whatever you say even if it is the most absurd thing
How much charisma would you be on?

[idle oar]

But how much of that is also the DM's charisma/intelligence/wisdom to go "yeah let's go crazy!"?

[humble cairn]

The ability scores are not realistic, especially the mental ones, so the two aren't related. Sorry to be a party pooper.

[burnt cave]

i fear i am the definition of a dm that does too much

[humble cairn]

Have you either 1) gotten this as feedback from your group or 2) found yourself burning out from how much you're doing?

I'm just trying to ascertain if it's actually a problem, because it might not be.

[burnt cave]

🫠😭well I mean— it’s just something the party has noticed over time

I made the decision to make themes for members of the party, work on a whole ass ost for the campaign, make maps whenever necessary

[humble cairn]

So there has been explicit mention of something as a problem?

[burnt cave]

It’s not framed as a problem thankfully and I haven’t felt burnt out of it yet

I just don’t wanna add more stuff on my plate

[humble cairn]

Then you're not doing "too much." If you're having fun and they're having fun, you're not doing anything wrong. Please feel validated and don't put yourself down.

[humble cairn]

That's certainly a valid concern. Time management can be an issue if it's cutting into other necessary stuff.

[humble cairn]

Honestly this all sounds wonderful and I would be ecstatic if a DM did all this for a campaign I was in.

[turbid vessel]

The only time you should really be concerned about if you're taking your hobbies "too far" is if it's genuinely getting in the way of other commitments you value equally or more

[burnt cave]

🥲🥲 I just treat my players with what I wish I got treated with playing the game

[humble cairn]

Sounds great! Be proud! Don't downplay it with negative self talk.

[burnt cave]

🙂‍↕️ will do!!

I have the perfect idea for the end of next session too

They’re basically starting a revolution—

[turbid vessel]

I don't want to assume your age but I know when you get to be an older adult, having a hobby you're able to dedicate a lot of time and energy to is basically the coolest thing you can do regardless of what it is

[burnt cave]

And after all is said and done as they leave the port they’re in

They fall down a 30ft deep hole

Planned by none other than their arch nemesis Tristan Von Dutch

Who then proceeds to fall into the hole with them

This is the get a long hole and you will stay in there until you get along

Lol

[humble cairn]

I started to pursue a hobby and then I moved to a country where my hobby became both a bigger part of my life and helped me because I had been learning the local language for years before I moved!

[burnt cave]

Tristan’s a whole ass goober btw with a nerd voice, a failthey/them knight who’s just trying to not disappoint the bbeg

They’re basically team rocket if team rocket was james, jesse, and meowth combined into one person

I love this character and I cannot wait to play as them again XD

much needed comic relief 😮‍💨

[humble cairn]

Oops, used blocked language. Uhh so like a Smithers for the Big Bad? I love those characters.

[turbid vessel]

It's a great dynamic because it can be comedic but also tragic depending on the tone of the setting and story

Someone who's so brainwashed into devotion that they'll do anything if they think it might make them look good to a certain someone

I think Curse of Strahd has a character like that. Either that or I made one up when I ran it

[burnt cave]

Oh absolutely

[humble cairn]

I also love it when they're actually more powerful than the Big Bad. Depending on the intelligence of the Big Bad they might actually realize this and know that they have to keep some sort of leash on the Smithers.

[burnt cave]

Tristan was literally abandoned at birth and grew up with Sprigonia because of their dad’s second wife (mother died in childbirth)

But all the party sees them as is a major thorn in the rear

said second wife is the chamberlain to the bbeg

Will they find out that part of their story? Who knows! Anything can happen in

The Hole

Also emotions are already running high
The druid just burnt down a church to the bbeg
The party itself has infighting because of a betrayal
All while they’re starting a revolution to make the port city a better place

Probably should slep

[humble cairn]

Yes, Long Rests are good.

[stoic needle]

Hello, I have a question. I'm playing 5.5e Campaign with my friends, and I'm thinking about buying an additional book. Do I still need XGE and Tasha's Cauldron of Everything to play 5.5e?

[knotty vine]

No

you should still get xge and TCoE but they arent needed to play 5.5

[stoic needle]

Hmm I got it, thanks for the answer 😉

[paper portal]

tashas mentioned!!!

fizban is also peak but that doesnt add as much its just a cool book

[uncut osprey]

special attack: turn them into an AI NPC

[grizzled lance]

how does 1 kill a death knight permanetly?

[humble cairn]

I dunno about everyone else, but the way my party did it was to redeem them in the eyes of their original god and make them repent their sins.

[grizzled lance]

what if the death knight is just like "no"

[glass granite]

Then I cast Wish

Mostly cuz I’ve never fought a death knight before and am the Dm Usually

[grizzled lance]

wait can the new ghost use a host abilites and what not?

[humble cairn]

That would have been a failure on the part of our rolls. We only noticed it was possible in the first place because we came to realize that this Death Knight thought it was still doing good. He had been laboring under a curse that turned him into a Death Knight.

[dim wasp]

How do hp pots work in DnD?

[grizzled lance]

a what now

[humble cairn]

The free rules answer many questions like this.

[dim wasp]

I'm just wondering cuz I never saw a healing potion when watching vox machina

[grizzled lance]

ive never hear dof a hp pot until now

[humble cairn]

See if you can click on the Potion of Healing link in here: https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/dnd/br-2024/magic-items#MagicItemCategories

[humble cairn]

It's called Potion of Healing.

[grizzled lance]

i still wanna know if the new ghost can use a creautres spell casting now

[dim wasp]

Thanks

Bit surprising there's only one form of healing pots

[grizzled lance]

unlike the 2014 rules it doesnt say that it cant

[dim wasp]

I sppse U can homebrew minor and major healing pots

[grizzled lance]

those already exist

[dim wasp]

Ok time to go search

[humble cairn]

There's different levels of rarity, but the higher ones are in the DMG, I think.

[dim wasp]

Ok it exists but it's with the 2014 ruleset

[fiery nimbus]

So, is there any benefit to Daylight except for screwing with Nocturnal creatures?

[humble cairn]

They also exist in 2014, they are just weaker.

[dim wasp]

Interesting

[humble cairn]

Dispelling Darkness cast by enemies. Pesky Black Abishai.

[humble cairn]

The free rules exist online, look through there so you know some of the basics.

[fiery nimbus]

oh i did not mean spell "Daylight" i meant a property of light being Daylight

[grizzled lance]

No not really?

what is that suppose to mean

[fiery nimbus]

I looked at that Dhympir feat that turns all of your light spells into daylight and i was kind of confused i guess
It works against Vampires, for sure but thats a really narrow focus

[dim wasp]

What's the command for freebies?

[grizzled lance]

it only really effects creatures like drow or that have sunlight sensitivity

[fiery nimbus]

So really its basically only a Debuff

[grizzled lance]

yeah unless your fighting vampires in which case itll do damage

[dim wasp]

?freebies

[humble cairn]

Free 2024 rules: https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/dnd/br-2024
Free 2014 rules: https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/dnd/basic-rules-2014

[dim wasp]

?qs

I forgot the command for the redeemable codes damn it

[rocky night]

Anyone doing campaign and need players

[fiery nimbus]

someone for sure

[dim wasp]

I thought u were a bot for a second lmao

[rocky night]

So yes?

[dim wasp]

Also not this I'm talking about the redeemable stuff in the disc that they've given out for freee

[fiery nimbus]

i guess someone is looking for players, not in this chat though
mostly in #looking-for-players

[dim wasp]

@humble cairn also I'll read up Ty seems like there's still some stuff I don't know

[knotty vine]

*do people just not read bios anymore or something 😭 *

[fiery nimbus]

whats a bio

[knotty vine]

the about me

[fiery nimbus]

my bio is just stormlight archive quote

[paper portal]

i rly like my bio

[fiery nimbus]

most people don't use bios at all

[knotty vine]

yeah but people ask me "whats your age" when its right there

[humble cairn]

I don't usually read bios, though I do look for pronouns.

[fiery nimbus]

yea why would i read a bio

[knotty vine]

maybe it can tell you 1 or two things about someone

[fiery nimbus]

i mean, someone can tell me 1 or two things about themselves

[ripe nimbus]

asking how old someone is is also technically against server rules

[tall forge]

I think that its also just kinda weird…

[knotty vine]

some people run 18+ games

[ripe nimbus]

asking “are you over 18” isn’t against the rules

[tall forge]

Yeah, but putting a disclaimer or asking if youre just 18+ is an option

[ripe nimbus]

but asking for exact age is

[knotty vine]

yeah

[tall forge]

I dont think ive ever met a stranger who asked specific ages who didnt have ulterior motives

[knotty vine]

weird

[paper portal]

how old are you?

[fiery nimbus]

WHAT ARE YOU PLAYING AT

[paper portal]

you are the youngest person ever!

[humble cairn]

I am the oldest I have ever been.

[tall forge]

Im as old as that guy over there

[knotty vine]

anyway rules as written (awful way to play sometimes) a dhampier that gained a fly speed from its early race means they can still wear medium/heavy armor and still fly

[paper portal]

RAW is terrible but has a lot of funny interactions

[knotty vine]

since you only keep the fly speed not the downsides of it

[paper portal]

one that i knew for ages but forgot to tell anyone until like today is that the old beastmaster could get a druid as their companion

[knotty vine]

since your more or less "copying" a 30ft fly speed

but your not copying the feature that says you cant fly while wearing medium/heavy armor

[tall forge]

I vote we implement a fly tax

[dim wasp]

How old are u

[knotty vine]

never!

[dim wasp]

Hi Tasha

[fiery nimbus]

Btw, being a Plasmoid makes you immune to all creature specific spells that do not use blanket term of "target a creature"

[tall forge]

3 gold everytime you leave the ground

[fiery nimbus]

since there are no spells that target specifically Oozes

[humble cairn]

You mean every time someone mentions using the Giant Fly statblock as a flying familiar mount we tax them some experience?

[dim wasp]

Noe leave my owl/flying transformations and flying mounts aloneeee

[knotty vine]

me staring at the strightly 2014 RAW dm as i slide them an arakora dhampier

[knotty vine]

Oozes are creatures

[tall forge]

This works

[knotty vine]

it a spell targets a humanoids or creature type then yeah it wouldnt work on them

[fiery nimbus]

Correct, but they are also creature type Ooze and there are no spells that target specifically Oozes

you need a blanket term "target a creature" making you hard to target up to T3 Table

[eager marsh]

Thats not exclusive to plasmoid and you worded it a bit roundaboud. You just needed to say they're immuneto humanoid specific spells

[ripe nimbus]

unlike eg how Hold Person targets humanoids or Protection from Good and Evil targets Fey and Fiends and Celestials

[knotty vine]

the same could be said for monstrositys

[fiery nimbus]

Oh right we do have a single player race that is a Monstrosity

[eager marsh]

Not really? There's only a handful of spells that are humanoid specific and only a few creature conditions are also typed like lycanthropy

[knotty vine]

Thri kreen

[reef tundra]

Then there’s chad Kalashtars being aberrations

[eager marsh]

Warforged are constructs still

[ripe nimbus]

kalashtar being aberrations confuses me

[knotty vine]

warforged werent construts in 2014

[fiery nimbus]

Huh, no they aren't

[knotty vine]

They are plane walkers

[severe rampart]

What are the requirements for being abberations anyway?

[knotty vine]

2024 got updated so now they are

[eager marsh]

being abberant

[dim wasp]

Just confirming Owlbears can't fly right?

[reef tundra]

It’s pretty much a huge blanket term for anything that looks weird af

[knotty vine]

Aberrations are alien entities with bizarre anatomy and strange abilities. They are frequently connected to the Far Realm, and many have mental powers. Examples of aberrations include aboleths, beholders, and mind flayers. Slaadi are sometimes classified as aberrations.

[dim wasp]

Or it doesn't look like they can

[fiery nimbus]

Alright... so i guess this is the nerf to spellcasting we all asked for

I still find it funny that Fey are immune to getting brain smoothied by Mindflayers

[reef tundra]

Normal ones can’t, but primeval owlbears can

[severe rampart]

Ah, so "everything else"

[knotty vine]

read what i just sent

[tall forge]

Sunburst

[knotty vine]

They are aliens pretty much

[severe rampart]

Ohh

[fiery nimbus]

Superior small brains of Fay can dodge unlike the inferior humanoid brains

[tall forge]

Sunburst has an extra effect on oozes

[dim wasp]

Ooh

[knotty vine]

Kalatasher 100% fit the bill of being Aberrations

[tall forge]

So does sunbeam

[fiery nimbus]

https://www.dndbeyond.com/spells/2619123-sunburst
No it doesn't

[eager marsh]

Kalashtar are just haunted humanoids tho

[knotty vine]

that is wrong asf

[ripe nimbus]

they are not. the statblock just says grappled creature

[knotty vine]

they are dream walkers

[dim wasp]

God that Monster Manual is expensive

[fiery nimbus]

oh they fixed that

[ripe nimbus]

welcome to d&d the core rulebooks are $150 will that be cash or card

[tall forge]

2014 does, they must have removed it

[grizzled lance]

Kalashtar (pronounced kal-ASH-tar) are created from the union of humanity and renegade spirits called quori from the plane of dreams. Kalashtar appear human, but their spiritual connection affects them in a variety of ways. They have symmetrical, slightly angular features, and their eyes often glow when they are concentrating or expressing strong emotions.

[eager marsh]

nah they're haunted by the dream walkers. the host bodies are normal before that

[tall forge]

Which is weird

[dim wasp]

@glacial hazel hi sry for ping but what's the command for the freebie redeemables?

[severe rampart]

I can't stop thinking about that Changeling, Simulacrum, Doppelganger, and Kalashtar joke

[eager marsh]

did they walk into a bar?

[knotty vine]

Kalashtar can’t communicate directly with their quori spirits. Rather, kalashtar might experience them as a source of instinct and inspiration, drawing on the spirits’ memories when the kalashtar sleep. This connection grants kalashtar minor psionic abilities, as well as protection from psionic attacks.

[severe rampart]

Yes they did

"Well one of us is going to have to change!"

[knotty vine]

protection from psinoic attacks seems pretty alien to me

[eager marsh]

Yea but the base host was still a humanoid base. They themselves arent from another realms or anything

[still plover]

Check #dnd-newcomers , it was done recently.

[knotty vine]

you dont have to be from a diffrent realm to be considered an ab

[eager marsh]

psionics arent inherently alien imo

[knotty vine]

beholders are from our plane of reality

[dim wasp]

Ty

[ripe nimbus]

kalashtar biology is sufficiently like human biology that i think they should absolutely be humanoid

[tall forge]

Psionics in dnd seem to be inherently eldritch, though there are some exceptions

[ripe nimbus]

their physical bodies are just prettier taller humans

[grizzled lance]

Creature type isnt just about biology

[severe rampart]

Elves? /j

[eager marsh]

I mean gith have minor psioniocs as well and arent considdered abberations and they're doubly mutated experiments from illithids

[grizzled lance]

i feel like if Gith were reprinted they would be made into abberations as well

since you know 2014 was super scared of making anything not a humanoid

[tall forge]

They still have that tie to aberrations

[ripe nimbus]

not just so, but if a creature is essentially no more different from a human than a tiefling is, they probably shouldn’t like, be immune to hold person on creature type grounds

[grizzled lance]

lots of creautre types were moved around in the 2014 rules

[light cape]

hello how is everyone

[humble cairn]

Fun fact, in Faerun elves are typically shorter than humans.

[ripe nimbus]

i know

i was talking abt kalashtar

[humble cairn]

Oh you were talking about Kalashtar, sorry.

[grizzled lance]

like again in 2014 warforged were still humanoids

[severe rampart]

Just listening to DnD lore that I have no idea about

[ripe nimbus]

yeah warforged being humanoids is lol

[light cape]

fair enough

[ripe nimbus]

it’s pretty silly

[eager marsh]

the funniest thing about hold person and hold monster is that besides being an arbitrary balancing point for the spell against enemies, it also means that inexplicably, you need a spell several magnitudes more powerful to magically paralyze a rat than you do a 7 ft tall raging goliath barbarian

[grizzled lance]

exactly

[humble cairn]

But different in what sense? Do we assume that magic reads something about physiology? Or something magical about them?

[light cape]

i have been constantly needing to go to the bathroom for hours and my throat is dying so my day is already sucky and i cant fall asleep

[grizzled lance]

i mean hold monster can also effect serval other things like that ginat ramagping monster

[tall forge]

Well, you can put a person in a person sized cage, but a rat can slip through

Weird magic rules ig

[knotty vine]

still weird we dont have any celestial races

besides like 1

[severe rampart]

Closest thing being Aasimar?

[humble cairn]

The spells are arbitrary, what saving throws they affect are arbitrary, it's all just game mechanics. I think the sooner people accept that, the less annoying the system would be.

[knotty vine]

i dont like Aasimars all that much

[severe rampart]

I liked Aasimar wayy more when I found out they weren't bird people

[ripe nimbus]

god i miss dual typed races from 3e…

[eager marsh]

I already accept that and understand it. i was pointing out the narrative disconnect is silly sometimes

[knotty vine]

that got thrown in the trash in 5.5e

[ripe nimbus]

it doesn’t exist in 5.0e either

[knotty vine]

half orcs/elves are gone

i mean dhampier reborn and hexblood kinda count

[ripe nimbus]

oh, no, i mean how in 3e elves were humanoids and fey, for example

[humble cairn]

This was a positive mechanical, not lore, change.

Lore wise you can have parentage of any sort you want.

[ripe nimbus]

also half elves were reprinted in the eberron book

[knotty vine]

dhampier in UA was planned out to be humanoid and undead but that kinda went against what 5e was trying to go for

[light cape]

arent there demi-fey that are also elves?

[knotty vine]

same with reborn it was gonna be humanoid and undead/construt

[humble cairn]

Mechanically having people with very specific parentage as singled out other in the mechanics was always uncomfortable.

[knotty vine]

Dhampir Traits
Ability Score Increase. Increase one ability score by 2, and increase a different one by 1.
Type. Humanoid and Undead

[humble cairn]

The Khoravar don't identify as half anything. They are Khoravar.

[severe rampart]

Oh that would've been awesome

[knotty vine]

Reborn Traits
Ability Score Increase. Increase one ability score by 2, and increase a different one by 1.
Type. Humanoid, as well as Construct or Undead (choose when you gain this lineage)

[light cape]

arent there also different fey types?

[knotty vine]

fey are fey

they dont really have types unlike fiends

[ripe nimbus]

i am not sure why that matters; the khoravar race listing is a mechanical replacement for half elves. they are a pretty straight mechanical update of the 2014 half elf race. in Eberron they don’t identify as half elves.

[humble cairn]

It matter because they are not half elves, they are full Khoravar.

[knotty vine]

can you take the elf feats with Khoravar?

[humble cairn]

I'm not sure, actually.

[cursive fjord]

Man the new artificer got rid of the thunder gauntlets 🙁

[ripe nimbus]

Khoravar are half elves, though. In the setting of Eberron, in universe, that’s not a polite description, but the half elves of Faerun are biologically identical to Khoravar in Eberron.

[knotty vine]

you can

just checked it out in dnd beyond

[humble cairn]

Looks like no.

[knotty vine]

really? i was able to take elven acc

[humble cairn]

DNDBeyond will let anyone take those.

[knotty vine]

not true in the slightest

[humble cairn]

Don't try using Beyond as a rules arbiter.

[cursive fjord]

There is an option on DDB to turn off all Feat requisets

[humble cairn]

Still, Beyond isn't great at knowing the rules or beaing a teaching tool. It's an assistant for someone who already knows the rules.

[knotty vine]

where?

[grizzled lance]

ah

[severe rampart]

Character Builder I think?

[knotty vine]

still its on and when i switch the race i cant find it

[severe rampart]

Maybe the first page or so

[humble cairn]

Beyond has documented areas where it doesn't follow the rules.

[cursive fjord]

First page, Use Prerequisites tab

[paper portal]

a lot of them lol

[humble cairn]

It's not a rules checker.

[knotty vine]

thats true

why do one of there abilites rechrage on a 1d4 long rest..

[humble cairn]

I love the Character Builder because it's easy for me to use, but that's because I'm pretty familiar with the rules.

[knotty vine]

thats just cruel

[marble lion]

Khoravar are like a specific group that happens to be halfelves, id say

[humble cairn]

If they do not have a specific part of the rules saying that they qualify for Elf Feats, they do not.

[marble lion]

Not all half elves are khoravar

[knotty vine]

i gotta say im love how draonic sorcerer gets unarmed def

[humble cairn]

For that matter, they don't qualify if the Feat says "Half Elf" either.

[knotty vine]

as well as a slight free tough feat

[humble cairn]

So no Elven Accuracy for Khoravar.

[knotty vine]

Prerequisite: Elf or Half-Elf

[minor cargo]

My gut tells me that one reason why this conversation is so murky is because even the idea of a "half elf" is a bit murky. Like, D&D doesn't really give us any additional guidance on "blood quanta" (if I can use that phrase here) so being a half-elf or not is really, really hard to measure. 😬

[knotty vine]

i mean tielfings can have all sorts of parents

[humble cairn]

And seeing as Khoravar are neither, they don't qualify.

[knotty vine]

human and tielfing fiend and tielfing

[ripe nimbus]

Khoravar absolutely qualify for any feat that says half elf, because they’re half elves. Just because that is in-universe not what they prefer to be called doesn’t mean that what previous editions, including 5.0, called “half elf” is somehow a different race/species from the new Khoravar.

[humble cairn]

Human and human.

[ripe nimbus]

it’s just a labelling change

[marble lion]

No im not sure

[knotty vine]

i dont think two humans can make a tielfing

[humble cairn]

Nothing on their statblock says "Half Elf" so they do not qualify.

[ripe nimbus]

it doesn’t need to

[marble lion]

The description spexifically says that they are distinct so it might actually not apply

[ripe nimbus]

their flavor text makes it clear that they are half elves

[marble lion]

Do shadad kai get elven feats?

[ripe nimbus]

their description says they do not like the term half elf

[humble cairn]

Yes they absolutely can. Tieflings can be born to humanoids of all sorts. Neither of which needs to be a fiend or a tiefling. This is in the lore.

[knotty vine]

thats weird but it makes sense

[humble cairn]

Yes it does, mechanically.

[marble lion]

Yeah but it also highlights they have become their own thing after time

[wicked mulch]

D&D Question of the Day (D&D Beyond: Playing the Game):

TRUE OR FALSE: “Melee attacks use Strength” is always true.

[humble cairn]

It's theorized that Tieflings may result from infernal dealings of an ancestor but that's only a theory.

[severe rampart]

False

[knotty vine]

i am glad Abyssal Tiefling are real now

[ripe nimbus]

it would not say “they do not like the term half elf” if they are not half elves.

[paper portal]

are there any ways to change your weapon's damage type in 2014 or are they all 2024

[severe rampart]

Damn, I can see why some like these questions

[marble lion]

Finesse weapons can use dex and some classes can use other stats like shillelagh users and their casting stat

[knotty vine]

i dont think thats a thing at all

[mighty tree]

I think you are correct.

[knotty vine]

unless you use like true strike or something

[paper portal]

theres definitely some in 2024 but i dont think there were any in 5e yeah

[severe rampart]

No one uses True Strike 2014 /slightly j

[humble cairn]

For mechanics, it needs to specifically say they are or qualify for Elf or Half Elf in order for them to qualify. Khoravar have none of those and do not qualify.

[marble lion]

They are halfelves yes
But maybe the elven feats arent in their culture anymore

[burnt cave]

I find it funny the difference my party made to the port town there in lol. I put a comparison in #dnd-maps .

It’s hilarious what a party can do to a town in under 2 sessions.

[knotty vine]

thats what i mean theres nothing to change damage type for weapons mainly in 2014

[burnt cave]

They blew up a Cathedral

[humble cairn]

They may have elven and other heritage in their past, but that doesn't make them half elves. Just like dragonborn have dragons in their ancestry possibly, but it doesn't make them half dragons.

[ripe nimbus]

are you really arguing that because there’s been a name change that the same species has lost access to its previous feats

[normal junco]

what if i were to open my book and write "or Khoravar" just after the half-elf requirement?

[marble lion]

No they are half elves

[humble cairn]

Mechanically it is not the half elf species.

[ripe nimbus]

It is, though.

[marble lion]

Whether they can access the feats is another matter to me

Tho id allow it anyway

[fast latch]

They can if one or both made a deal with a fiend

[marble lion]

I very rarely limit racial feats at all

[humble cairn]

I disagree, but am satisfied to disagree with you and not argue about it any longer.

[mighty tree]

Dragonborn are their own species, not born from dragons.

[normal junco]

i guess it does come down to the difference between RAW, RAI, rule of cool, DM fiat, etc. different tables just do different things.

[mighty tree]

Everything about Khoravar points to them being born from Humans and Elves.

[humble cairn]

They have some apocryphal history that says that the first dragonborn were born from dragon eggs.

[severe rampart]

I'd be surprised if there's a group that's 100% RAW

[ripe nimbus]

i think khoravar qualify for elven accuracy pretty much RAW. the only sense of “RAW” in which they wouldn’t is the sense in which no one can cast cantrips because they aren’t prepared or something.

[feral fulcrum]

If I vaguelly recall the lore behind 5E Dragonborn, they were created as a slave species for dragons, and then migrated from a different universe to Faerun and the like?

[severe rampart]

I thought they were created by Bahamut?

[normal junco]

playing 100% RAW sounds difficult, especially with some language being slightly ambiguous

[reef tundra]

I use khorovar when a player wants to play a half elf in my 5.5e games.

[humble cairn]

Actually their lore is that they might have elven heritage in the past, but basically are now a sustained community of people themselves that don't somehow need elven people to constantly be introduced into the family.

[minor cargo]

I mean...

There's a lot of things that can be true at the same time, right?

Yeah, Khoravar are descendents of humans and elves. This was centuries ago (by lore/description).

Yeah, Khoravar don't like the term half-elves. (Though I'll disagree that including it in flavour text implies that, intrinsically or whatever, they are actually half-elves. Many people can "dislike" terms not because they secretly are right; sometimes you dislike a term because it's wrong.)

Khoravar is a separate species entry than Half-Elves (2014).

At your table, you can do whatever you want in terms of feat qualifications.

[feral fulcrum]

It's not that hard actually, but only really done in like Adventure League or whatever it's called

[mighty tree]

Right but their ancestry is elven and continues to be. That's why they share racial traits like darkvision and fey ancestry with every other elf and half elf race.

[humble cairn]

"Born of dragons, as their name proclaims, the dragonborn walk proudly through a world that greets them with fearful incomprehension. Shaped by draconic gods or the dragons themselves, dragonborn originally hatched from dragon eggs as a unique race, combining the best attributes of dragons and humanoids."

[humble cairn]

But they are no longer born of elves and other people, they are born of Khoravar.

[light cape]

but they still have that elvish ancestry

so technically they are still half elven

[humble cairn]

siiiiiiigggggggHHHHH

[minor cargo]

I mean, you probably share an ancestry with other groups. And you wouldn't consider yourself half- them, yeah?

[normal junco]

okay, lets look at another for comparison. Ettercaps used to be Elves that gradually altered and grafted themselves into a completely new self sustaining species. they no longer qualify for "Elf" stuff in their stat blocks in the books.

[light cape]

i consider myself half any ancestry that im a part of half-germanic half-english

[fiery nimbus]

speak for yourself, some people take ancestry tests very seriously for some reason

[paper portal]

being an elf is the same as something being magical

[humble cairn]

Once I countered the point of "born of human and elf" you moved the goalpost to their ancient history.

[paper portal]

if it says youre an elf, you are. if it doesnt, you arent

not much point arguing over ancestry either way

[fiery nimbus]

like some people saying they are something because their grandparent was from there

[light cape]

no you did actually

you brought up the ancient history i didnt

[paper portal]

khoravar's features dont say that theyre elves, therefore they aren't

it's really not that complex

[light cape]

fair enough

[mighty tree]

From what I can find they were a druids that were cursed and transformed.

[minor cargo]

Okay yeah.
So if I were Khoravar, and I’m not part of elvish or human ancestry (my ancestry as far as I know is Khoravar), I’m Khoravar, yeah?

This isn’t meant to be a gotcha or anything BTW. I understand you’re saying that lineages can go past written history - but trying to shed light as to why sometimes a Khoravar person is just a Khoravar person.

[mighty tree]

No but they just so happen to share two features, one being almost unique to elves outside of some goblins from a fey realm.

And their background states they were born from Humans and Elves.

[paper portal]

doesnt matter for the purposes of them being considered elves

[light cape]

thats fair

[normal junco]

depends on the edition, i guess. the Druid part i do remember reading, though.

anyways, what it comes down to are mechanics or lore. for the most part, lore is interchangeable and fluff. what things say in stat blocks and features and details are the important mechanical bits.

[ripe nimbus]

half elves in eberron before EFA were called khoravar. EFA contains a khoravar species whose descriptions mentions that they are often called half elves, and dislike that term. their heritage is one which fits perfectly into the range of heritages for half elves from 2014 and earlier (half elves were not always the product of elves and humans either, they themselves were plenty often just descended from long lines of other half elves, and this was very common specifically in Eberron). Their features are almost identical to half elves from 2014.

[lyric viper]

Personal identity is well, personal. It's not a mechanical thing, which was the issue of game design.
D&D has always had a difficulty with mixed species characters, because species was made mechanical. And sure, it makes sense to an extent that a character of mixed features might have mechanically represented traits of their heritage- like dark vision, or better poison resistence or wings so on.

But D&D has also avoided trying to make all those potential mixes and occurances into stat blocks. 'Half' Orcs and Elves was a reluctant Tolkien holdover.

[paper portal]

things do what they say they do and nothing more

[lyric viper]

So you you could play a PC that had mixed elven, human and orcish ancestry and that PC might identify as Orcish predominantly because of their upbringing. Trying to blood quantify into fractions doesn't reflect that identity.

[humble cairn]

Khoravar are mechanically Khoravar. Not elves, not half elves. Goblinoids also share some fey features, they are not half elves or elves, either. So non elves can have fey ancestry.

[ripe nimbus]

khoravar’s description says they’re half elves. not in as many words, but if you need to be told in as many words then you might as well be arguing that we don’t know how many limbs humans have by default since their race statblock doesn’t specify

[humble cairn]

Fairies are actually fey are they not? And they don't qualify for elven feats either.

[mighty tree]

Specific goblinoids that are from a fey realm have Fey Ancestry.

No other Goblinoid or other race besides Elf or Half Elf does.

[lyric viper]

It says they're mixed elven human.

[paper portal]

the specificities of that dont really affect his point

[humble cairn]

Sharing fae ancestry features does not qualify you for Elf Feats.

[ripe nimbus]

that is what a half elf is

[light cape]

also sorry i was being stubborn guys my brain hasnt been working im working on 4 hours of sleep and being sick and throwing up so i have just been dying here and my brain isnt grasping things that it normally would

[lyric viper]

Which is a distinction.
One doesn't describe the british as 'Half roman-celts' or so on

[paper portal]

from a mechanics perspective khoravar have as much in common with elves as they do with yuan-ti

[mighty tree]

If you believe that why did you attempt to counter the point by pointing out the Goblins.

[humble cairn]

If the Feat says Prerequisite: Elf or Half Elf, Khoravar does not qualify. Nor do goblins, fairies, etc.

[humble cairn]

Because goblins don't qualify for Elf Feats?

[lyric viper]

'Half' is mixed, but 'mixed' is not neccessarily half.

And it also explicitly says in their lore they do not like being called half-elves

[ripe nimbus]

“Half elves” were not necessarily or even usually per se perfectly half and half

[lyric viper]

Because it is inaccurate.

[ripe nimbus]

yes, in Eberron, it’s impolite

it’s not inaccurate, though, to say that Khoravar is the 2024 update and reprinting of 2014 half elves.

[humble cairn]

Because the argument was made that Khoravar having fey ancestry features somehow means they are half elves and thus qualify for half elf feats, which is not true since goblins also share fey ancestry features and don't qualify for Elf Feats.

[minor cargo]

I'm Vietnamese. I have some ancestors who are from mainland China and some who are from France.

Am I half French, half Chinese, and not Vietnamese?

[lyric viper]

This again is more an issue of game design.
They did not want to go into the technicalities of further 'fractions'. So a half-elf and elf was 'half-elf' and a half-elf and human was 'human'- more so statistically, while the individuals in universe might identify as very different.

[mighty tree]

I think them sharing two features that are present across every other elf or half elf race is a good argument that they may qualify.

[humble cairn]

Then that argument could be made for goblins as well.

[mighty tree]

Elvish isn't a nationality.

[humble cairn]

hoo boy

[paper portal]

you're way overthinking this ngl. it's as simple as "something qualifies for elf feats if their stats say they are an elf". khoravar dont have that and therefore they are not elves

[uncut zenith]

I honestly feel like I walked into a sort of silly discussion, because if non-Elves qualified for Elf feats, the rules would say so. Instead the prerequisite for self feats is the character has to be an Elf, not an Elf or other species with fey features.

[mighty tree]

Except the reason the goblins have the features is because they are from a fey plane.

Khoravar are not.

[buoyant oar]

I just don't like the term half elf. I'm not a good fan of it whatsoever, I think instead of removing it from places like the Forgotten Realms they should have just did what eberron did create a different name for it. I get why it was removed but I feel like it was a bit of an over correction

[lyric viper]

I think there is a bit of crossed communication here of 'Mechanics' vs 'Narrative'

[ripe nimbus]

yeah, totally. i know. but “half elf” here we are talking about the 2014 race, and whether khoravar qualify for the same things that 2014 half elves did. and my point is that they are just the mechanical update of 2014 half elves

[humble cairn]

My point stands. Saying "they have these features in common with elves" does not an elf or half elf make.

[ripe nimbus]

it’s an RPG, that’s not a really robust distinction

[paper portal]

being elvish isnt in their traits so they arent

dont overthink it

[ripe nimbus]

having two limbs isn’t either

[mighty tree]

No but I think in conjunction with the fact that they have a half elvish ancestry would be a good argument for them having access to elvish feats.

[lyric viper]

Mechanically you're def more limited. Your PC is mechanically X even if they identify otherwise, and Khorovar are definitely inspired by the 2014 half-elven stats.

So what are we actually trying to get into here? Mechanics or narrative?

[ripe nimbus]

however what we know about them isn’t limited to their statblock.

[humble cairn]

I disagree.

[paper portal]

yeah which is why RAW you can have more but obviously there is a level of sensibility that needs to be observed in order to play dnd

[mighty tree]

That's the argument I suppose.

[ripe nimbus]

we know that they are half elves by their flavortext.

[paper portal]

half elves also cant take elven accuracy

[buoyant oar]

I guess it just feels perplexing from a release standpoint that they're present in eberron but removed explicitly in in the FR books. Considering that eberron was supposed to release first

[lyric viper]

Are we asking if mechanically Khoravar count for things like elven accuracy?

[ripe nimbus]

yes they can

[steel moth]

mechanically just play a half-elf and reflavor it as a khoravar

[humble cairn]

Elven Accuracy specifically says they can.

[paper portal]

oh it does? mb whoopsies :3 i just knew half elves arent elves mechanically

[minor cargo]

That's fair.
Let's switch to something that's more like a species. So you know sweet oranges? Like you have slices of them during half-time at football games, soccer games, etc.?

So they're actually a mix of pomelos and mandarins ("mandarin oranges").

So is an orange actually half pomelo? Maybe. But I think if you asked most people, they're just "oranges".

If fruit could have "fruit feats", maybe an orange would qualify for pomelo feats? But it doesn't on its face mean that it should. To an earlier point, in our TTRPG, I think we kind of just have to make the jdugement call.

[lyric viper]

Because ...yeees, I'd say that if you had that feat in your 2024 game, Khoravar should count. Although strict RAW... nooo???

[mighty tree]

I think that was the original question yes. Answer is mechanically no, narratively, possibly.

Or so the discord says.

[humble cairn]

But that very specificity is what we're talking about. The Feat has to specifically allow it or it doesn't work. And nowhere in the Khoravar stats does it say they qualify for Elf or Half Elf feats.

[ripe nimbus]

I think “strict RAW” here has to mean “don’t let cantrips ever be cast because the rules say to cast a spell it has to be prepared and the book doesn’t say you prepare cantrips anywhere” strict for that to come out as true

[lyric viper]

Well more that it says elves and half-elves can take it. Khoravar are khoravar.

[uncut zenith]

This whole discussion is just a reminder to me about how much I dislike the racial feats lol

[lyric viper]

Yeep

[mighty tree]

They asked if Khoravar can use elven feats.

The answer is - ask your DM.

[ripe nimbus]

khoravar are a rename of half elves

[lyric viper]

Same as Custom Origin wouldn't count, even if your narratively say 'but elven'

[humble cairn]

Names, like creature tags, have rules.

Hold Person doesn't work on a Construct because of the creature tag.

[paper portal]

the answer is no, if your dm lets you thats them overruling what the rules say (which is ofc fine) but according to the game's rules khoravar can't have elven accuracy

[hidden spindle]

Are they though?

[buoyant oar]

If at your table you wanted to be a certain way because of the lore you can do that, but the mechanics specifically as rules do not support it

[lyric viper]

Also not saying I agree with that ruling, just that RAW is no. Elven accuracy would need to be 'prerequisite: elf, half-elf or khoravar'.

[ripe nimbus]

i am tired of discussing and arguing this

[lyric viper]

Making a call in your own game to say 'Go ahead' is perfectly valid.

[ripe nimbus]

i can’t do anything but repeat what i’ve said before; i disagree with your understanding of the rules here

let’s leave it

[buoyant oar]

It's dumb. I think I agree. And it's definitely built upon a weird tiptoeing around mixed species options in 5.5. And I really hope that a future release just cuts through it and deals with the problem

[hidden spindle]

I'd rule it in favor of being Half-Elf

[humble cairn]

I am satisfied disagreeing with you on this.

[mighty tree]

I disagree with the rigidity at which the rules are being followed. 😎

[uncut zenith]

Now if they did with khorovar what they did in 2014 (in that we were advised to play half-elf but understand that narratively they prefer to go by khorovar) I’d say they no doubt can take Elf feats

[lyric viper]

Nah, ignore the rules.

[uncut zenith]

Because mechanically you’re playing a half-elf, and half-elves can take said feats.

[light cape]

the rules are stupid lets all play homebrew

[paper portal]

atp lets all play calvinball lol

[light cape]

whats calvinball?

[glad arch]

Lets just play pretend, i cast unblockable fireball

[glad arch]

*of instant death

[ripe nimbus]

fwiw i have a philosophy about how to read rpg rules which can be succinctly summarized as “there is no real flavor text/mechanical text distinction.” i just don’t really think the concept is very coherent in RPGs. you need to interpret the rules in the context of the diegesis for them to be coherent at all.

[light cape]

i counterspell your unblockable fireball

[paper portal]

it's a game from the comic calvin and hobbes, the only rule is that the rules are different every time

[light cape]

huh

sounds fun

[glad arch]

The rules are whatever i feel like rn

[lyric viper]

Imma abuse Mod privileges: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/18/opinion/covid-sports.html

[ripe nimbus]

and so if the flavor text makes it clear that the khoravar are half elves then that is part of the rules text as i understand it

[paper portal]

PEAK

[glad arch]

First image in dnd-discussion, legendary

[uncut zenith]

Definitely not the first lol

[light cape]

ya definitely not

so hows everyones days going?

[paper portal]

probably havent been many if you filter out dyno lol

[uncut zenith]

Yes, but mods have posted images in the channel on rare occasions

Anyways

[glad arch]

90% of the images here are modrons and kobolds lol

[light cape]

what is your guys favorite class to play?

[paper portal]

modrons are cute

[short brook]

Barbarian

No question

[buoyant oar]

Fighting-Man

[glad arch]

From what ive played (not a lot)paladin

[light cape]

which one?

[buoyant oar]

Fighting-Man

[steel moth]

wizard maybe

[short brook]

John Fighter

[paper portal]

cleric icon

[celest sail]

warlock

[humble cairn]

Now, as a corollary, not only do I think the Khoravar not count as Half Elves mechanically I also think it's agood thing that Half Elves not exist as a separate mechanic going forward. I think it was always an uncomfortable for me and for many people I've talked to that heritage was mechanized in that way, I can even reference you to a player who was turned off from D&D completely for years because of it. The change to not othering people of mixed heritage by making them a specific mechanically oddity has made the game more comfortable for me and others I talk to.

[buoyant oar]

1974 white box Fighting-Man which was his name

[short brook]

Kratos was my childhood, so barbarians feel like home

[paper portal]

bro grew up in 2018 /silly

[humble cairn]

Probably Bard, followed closely by Monk.

[steel moth]

that's because I dip cleric

[light cape]

i love clerics

whenever i get the chance i play one

[paper portal]

i dip fighter >:3

[short brook]

I bought a ps2, and there was a god of war disc in it, it was just meant to be lol

[lyric viper]

I really liked how warlock played. Bards and Druids are also a fav of mine for the RP

[paper portal]

play a druid/warlock! it definitely works better in 2014 though lol

[steel moth]

real ones dip barbarian

[short brook]

Monk following the barb because martial arts is another day dream of mine

[paper portal]

barbs cant ghostlance smh

[uncut zenith]

Warlock has always been my favorite to play. Mostly because I love casters and their form of casting is more unique than the others’.

[short brook]

punching people is fun 🙂

[lyric viper]

I didn't like how sorcs played probs because I played them wrong. Kept running out of spell points to quickly.

[paper portal]

yeah sorc points are kinda limited tbh

[steel moth]

but you get 32 AC

[paper portal]

how 😭 dont say beast barb lol

[steel moth]

lets go #optimization

[buoyant oar]

I get that. Having them separate mechanically is bad and also the othering built into settings was also bad.

I have just had mixed players tell me it feels bad in 5.5 they removed the ability to distinctly play mixed characters especially when one of my FR buddies saw where they changed a half-elf to a full elf in the recent books. To them it felt like different kind of othering.

I personally think the customized origin from the one DND play test was a happy middle ground.

[hidden spindle]

What Metamagic did you use to burn through'm?