dnd-discussion

[lavish flame]

we all start somewhere

[spare tartan]

I’ll Knock you out, drive you off the road. Steal your shoes off your feet

[dim wasp]

How's it going BTW gwyn

[knotty pasture]

You should look into picking up dnd rather than trying to make dungeon hunter world instead lol

[lavish flame]

doin alright, how are u

[dim wasp]

I'll transform into a rabbit and run circles around u

[dim wasp]

Doing alr too just a bit busy lol trynna work on myself

[lavish flame]

D&D can do parts of what you want (the Ranger class is like.. built for this), but it mostly aims to be a heroic fantasy game

[dim wasp]

Hmm

Tru

[lavish flame]

A lot of the time, you won't even really fight big monsters. My party has mostly been dealing with Undead that are person-sized and animals that are larger than them.

[dim wasp]

Gwyn I have to wonder are u bi or lesb if u don't mind me asking

(ik off topic)

[lavish flame]

I'm vaguely queer dawg idk. I like D&D tho!

[woven flint]

"I'm vaguely queer, Dawg, idk."

I'm using that if anyone ever asks me what my sexuality is now

[lavish flame]

Whats y'alls favorite pre-written adventure?

I've been playing through Dragon of Icespire Peak and its been pretty sweet! Quest-based, nice little town/hub for a Bastion, fun adventures. Would recommend!

[lavish flame]

i'm just real asf idk

[lilac rover]

DoISP is a really good pre writen

[dim wasp]

Tokii and gwyn have ya all ever campaigned together

Just wondering cuz it looks like ya all have similar timezones

So could be members in this chat have campaigned together

Also U 2 are the only ones that are iconic to me lmfao

[knotty pasture]

1-5 players for DIP huh, that's a rare one

[dim wasp]

In this chat anyways

[knotty pasture]

Usually I see campaigns that are 4-6

[lavish flame]

A couple sessions ago, the very famed Dragon of Icespire Peak showed up! The party was just traveling in the wilderness when the dragon showed up and scared the daylights out of the group.

[knotty pasture]

I also assume the suggested races/classes are more of a guideline right? We don't have to be restricted to 4 races 5 classes?

[lavish flame]

Tokii, were you in the level 20 one shot that Ti-Moth ran a while back?

[lavish flame]

Dragon of Icespire Peak? nah they just included the Basic Rules in the book, with an extra class

[knotty pasture]

Excellent

[lavish flame]

or, like a stripped back Basic Rules

I've been running it in 5.5, so adapting stuff has been fun. A lot of Orcs became Toughs

[dim wasp]

What themes for DnD campaigns do we have

Post-apocalyptic,Medieval, Industrial, Ancient, Modern? (?)

Just asking for an overview of the main ones

[fossil hollow]

i dont think ive had you both in a oneshot

[dim wasp]

Is the point of a one shot

[fossil hollow]

what

[feral fulcrum]

I think they left the What out of that sentence.

The point of a one shot is to play D&D and have fun, same as playing any multi-year long campaign.

[rugged hawk]

Really? I thought the point of D&D was to gaslight anyone who doesn't take notes. /s

[fossil hollow]

Yeah, assuming you left out the what

Its literally same reason why people might play a campaign, just shorten it for a session

[odd valley]

ToA

i just like the way it’s done idk

[knotty vine]

ToA

my beloved

[fossil hollow]

Has to be Waterdeep right now

[odd valley]

i’ve got a physical copy of it too

[cloud vault]

Aight yall, I need help with some theory crafting for a pvp one-shot:

• Format: 8 man free-for-all, I'm playing a lvl 10 Paladin
• Due to reasons, I can bring in two undead
• Limits: The Undead have to both be CR 6 or lower, or alternatively, one CR 9 or lower and one CR 5 or lower

The question is, which two undead would be the best? Currently I'm going with just two Frost Giant Skeletons, but i feel like im missing out on something

[odd valley]

i like the water deep saga a whole lot

i don’t have them but i want to maybe run them once

[fossil hollow]

Started Dungeon just last Friday

[rugged hawk]

Okay, but let me cook a sec: Tomb of Annihilation, but if they manage to make it to the end, plot twist: it was a Mimic of Annihilation all along. Cue boss music!

[odd valley]

the real tomb was the door right next to it

had to pass a perception check

[feral fulcrum]

I've never really gotten the appeal of PVP in D&D

The game is absolutely not balanced for it in any way shape or form.

[odd valley]

i’ve done it and it’s terrible

[rugged hawk]

You could've left out that 'for it' bit.

[lavish flame]

In terms of officially spoken of genres, we've got:

• Heroic Fantasy
• Sword-and-Sorcery
• Epic Fantasy
• Mythic Fantasy
• Supernatural Horror
• Intrigue
• Mystery
• Swashbuckling
• War

[cloud vault]

with the right format it can be real fun

[jovial shadow]

Crawford specifically said D&D is co-op and not PVP when he scolded Todd when discussing the new Monk Warrior of Shadows

[feral fulcrum]

The actual balance of Players vs Monsters is fine actually.

[odd valley]

to a certain extent yeah but not all the time

[fossil hollow]

I like PvP

[hot marlin]

Yeah but that's not mutually exclusive is it?

[fossil hollow]

If the monster is controlling a PC

[hot marlin]

I also like PvP as a climax.

When two PCs' path have drifted so much that they have no choice but to fight

The climactic duel, that can be set right after what was supposed to be the final boss fight

I've got great stories of PvP, but like everything it has to be done well

[rugged hawk]

But right before the hidden boss second stage

[jovial shadow]

PC's fighting each other was okay back when we were Freshmen, but now I don't think its appropriate. So I have to agree with Crawford

[velvet talon]

im kinda new in dnd and i have a question. im playing with a rogue that damage around 11 per round in level 2 is that good or bad?

[fossil hollow]

thats average

[hot marlin]

My favourite one was the somewhat more political game. The heir to the local throne was barely more than a child. As a party, we had a deal with another ruler, to unseat the current usurper. At first our plan was to put the kid on the throne, but that NPC noble wanted to annex that land. So he convinced the paladin to step aside and had the kid murdered. The paladin looked and let that kid, which some of the PCs had grown attached to, die.

On one side, it made sense.

That boy was unready for that war and for leadership, removing him made perfect sense.

[feral fulcrum]

I wouldn't worry about such things overly much. 5E is generally not a game you need to worry about min-maxing in to be effective.

[hot marlin]

But you can see how it resulted in the party rather neatly fracturing into two sides.

[odd valley]

unless your dm is running a really brutal high op game i wouldn’t worry abt dpr

[rugged hawk]

Paladins ruin everything fun

[feral fulcrum]

Incorrect, but you're free to base your opinions on stereotypes.

[jovial shadow]

We can't tell you that because we don't know what weapon you are using, what your ability modifier is or what ability feat you are using (sneak attack etc.)

[hot marlin]

Anyways, at the end of the day, the characters have to stay true to what they are, and the story has to be taken seriously. Sometimes that means PvP, and that's fine

[odd valley]

i’m just wondering if you’ve ever played with a paladin before

[rugged hawk]

Okay, see, I hear what you're saying. Counterpoint, they keep ruining the ooze cults, necromantic cults, and cults in general. Join or start a cult, wham, now you've got Paladins beating down the door to 'protect the innocent'.

[odd valley]

oh wait that answers my question

[feral fulcrum]

Whetver you say. Anyway, I dare to presume that Paladin broke more then likely broke their Oath with that?

[rugged hawk]

Lemme feed people to in peace, dammit!

[odd valley]

counterpoint. maybe those cults shouldn’t be actively sacrificing people or desecrating their peaceful rest

[feral fulcrum]

Most Paladin oaths (At least as Written) would probably break at allowing child murder to occur.

[hot marlin]

Referring to the paladin that let that child be murdered?

[feral fulcrum]

Yes.

[odd valley]

uhh… i think a paladins gonna be knocking at ur door very soon

[hot marlin]

Oath of conquest, I think.

Or maybe of the crown?

So no

[rugged hawk]

Nonsense, we're making exceptionally efficient use of resources. It's not like those dead villagers were using their bodies anymore, being dead and all.

[feral fulcrum]

Oath of the Crown would definitely have snapped

As the rightful heir jsut got ganked so someone else could usurp the throne.

[odd valley]

they were making use of them while they were alive tho

[feral fulcrum]

Oath of Conquest would have been fine though

[odd valley]

and then you just had to go and make them dead

[rugged hawk]

Sure, but it's not like we killed them to get their bodies. We just raided their graveyard.

[odd valley]

and now you’re disturbing their rest

[hot marlin]

Yeah probably conquest then

[rugged hawk]

Nonsense, their souls have already moved on, we're just using the raw material left behind

[hot marlin]

Anyways you get my point. Saying "PvP is bad" is too easy.

[odd valley]

great, what if a vengeful spirit starts to haunt ur people and now it’s your fault that happened

you’ve gotta take care of your cult members too

[rugged hawk]

That's just an opportunity to capture a spirit, really

[feral fulcrum]

If you're doing it for apropriate, thematic reasons such as that, it Fits but is not what I would call good, because as I already said. 5E is super duper not balanced for Player on Player fights.

So more often then not, someones going to fold like wet tissues

[odd valley]

now you’re not even letting them move on to the afterlife? for shame, what if your cultists pass away because of an accident related to the spirit

now you’ve got less cultists to do cult things with

[rugged hawk]

I mean, if they die, that's materials for the rest of us, right?

[odd valley]

now what if everyone dies

[rugged hawk]

Flesh Golem goooo!

[rugged hawk]

Ugh, been there

[odd valley]

just think about the poor oozes not being able to eat anymore

this is why you should hunt wildlife like a good samaritan

[hot marlin]

Yes indeed, it's not balanced for it. But counterpoint: Does that mean it's not good? Does it need to be balanced to be good? I'd argue no. I'd even go so far as to say that the fact that the game is not balanced for PvP is what makes PvP good

[rugged hawk]

Ackshually, the cube would be fine. We're typically in the sewer under a nicely populated city.

[odd valley]

now what if you aren’t in the sewer under a nicely populated city

[feral fulcrum]

I'd say it more often then not it just makes it Difficult to get anything particularly meaningful out of it.

[rugged hawk]

That doesn't make sense, because you need easy access to sacrifices for your cubes.

[hot marlin]

That's a very interesting point. Could you elaborate? It's a bit abstract for me

[odd valley]

i’ve seen a lot that don’t make sense

that being one of them

[rugged hawk]

Me too, just look at 4e lore

[feral fulcrum]

If the fight is basically immediately ended because of bad balance, or worse completely negated from the start, it's hard to pull any meaningful dialogue or charecter beats out of it, so all that's been accomplished has probably been something like "Cool you rolled better Iniative, and I learned that Hynoptic pattern is kind of stupid."

[hot marlin]

You have dialogue during fights?

Uh. In serious fights, everyone tends to shut up and focus, in my experience

[feral fulcrum]

Talking is a free action, and if you're having a dramatic duel against a fellow PC?

That's kind of the point of Dramatic, final, emotionally pitched battles is it not?

[hot marlin]

I admit I prefer the tense silences in that kind of drama.

If you're fighting, it generally means that everything that could be said has already been said

[feral fulcrum]

And if there's not dialogue, then you're back to just...rolling dice to roll dice and see who drops dead first? Or who manages to stunlock the other and flee.

Which I fail to see much point in.

[hot marlin]

That seems to be a condemnation of just about every D&D fight where the characters are not talking

I would disagree. I think the fight itself is its own kind of entertainment.

And that trying to fill it with quips and conversations is just showcasing an inability to make the fight interesting by itself

[feral fulcrum]

Shrugs

Saying a word doesn't magically mean the fight itself is suddenly not interesting, but you do you.

[hot marlin]

That is not what I said.

[still plover]

Tone is a table choice.

[hot marlin]

I am not saying that talking makes the fight uninteresting. I am saying the fights should be interesting without talking. And that portraying the tense silences and the grim resolution is, to me, more interesting. This does not make fights where people talk uninteresting. But to say that they need the conversation during the fight, otherwise it's "just rolling dice to roll dice and see who drops dead first" is showcasing an inability to make the fights themselves interesting and dramatic without embellishments.

Drama does not come from words and conversations. Drama comes from situations.

[undone rain]

About time i start to look for more groups to play with.

1 sesh a week is fine but 2 a week wouldnt be so bad

[woven flint]

Nope, Gwyn and I are just kinda pals, in a way, I s'ppose

I consider everyone a friend though until proven otherwise anyway so-

[still plover]

The classic fight scene in Princess Bride could be an example. They talk, yes, but we also see the fight evolve.

[rugged hawk]

"I am also not left-handed!"

[hot marlin]

Yes. And then there are the fight scenes in... Name any Kurosawa movie.

Where nobody even says a word.

[lyric viper]

I love a little banter or talk during combat. It's one way of keeping everyone involved too- although we do need to try and keep things reasonable to 6 seconds. You're not having a whole discussion on your turn.

[halcyon bison]

its hard to think of clever things to say

[snow ledge]

"Sometimes, you just have to looking into your inner aura-farm to unlock the words you seek"

-Some guy

[river vector]

Think my DND group is falling apart 😭

[rugged hawk]

Starting to feel like the only fitting place for a being of contradictions and paradox might be the Far Realm. Looking over the Great Wheel and while Limbo is a place of chaos, it's not the paradoxical kind, and Sigil is just flat neutral, not paradoxical or contradictory, either. Also, Lady of Pain.

[severe rampart]

Why?

[river vector]

It was one player leaving and sending concerning messages to me while blocking everyone

[severe rampart]

communicate with your players.

[river vector]

I am

They are not responding right now

[severe rampart]

Good then, might I ask why the first player left?

[river vector]

I believe he has had some sort of mental health crisis, the messages he sent me have made me worry about his safety, I don't know what state he is in right now. Just feels like a stain on the campaign. Like I don't know if I want to run the game or if another player (his friend) feels good about playing in it now.

[severe rampart]

I see. That is definitely something that needs to be brought up, less the group will fall apart.

[river vector]

I'll try and call a meeting today. We were supposed to play anyway.

[echo agate]

trying to understand, what is the purpose of the giff's firearm mastery, the part about ignoring the loading property? what does this exactly do or what advantage does it provide compared to another race having to also load

[river vector]

We're discussing whether or not to transition the campaign to a curse of strahd one, since I recently got the module.

Feels better than continuing on in the same one, if a player has died.

[vestal crow]

which sorcerer subclass hits the hardest at level 12 in 5.5e ?

[rough basalt]

Loading property prevents you from using multiattack with firearms and other ranged ammo weapons with the same property

Ordinarily you need the Gunner feat in Tashas which wasn't reprinted to ignore firearm loading property

They should've reprinted it imo since "Firearm Proficiency" isn't a thing in '24

[severe rampart]

Clockwork I think?, maybe

[rough basalt]

Since they're Martial Weapons and now PHB Weapons so you need a feat from Tashas to use them like you would a crossbow.

[hollow stone]

yea it should have just been put into the PHB

[rough basalt]

Seems like an oversight to make Renaissance firearms available for players as a standard and not have the feat they need to use them effectively if they have multiattack.

Especially since they reprinted most of the Tasha's feats anyways

[echo agate]

so ye, it's primarily based around 2014, (since spelljammers also is that), and it is not particularly useful other than if you have multiattafk

[rough basalt]

I mean it avoids needing a feat so that's useful.

[echo agate]

thank you for clarification, honestly might just be me whos not sure of how often multi attack is even an option

[odd valley]

many martials acquire multiattack

the only one that doesn’t is rogue

[echo agate]

that explains it, i do not play martials at all really, and even this giff i was iffy about, but it is fun inquiring about

[odd valley]

part of the fun of dnd id say

[rough basalt]

Multiattack is also something on certain caster subs/specs

Then you have War Cleric.

Which their extra attack is a BA but they'd still need to ignore loading to attack with a firearm twice as it's "can only fire once as an Action, Bonus Action, or Reaction regardless of how many attacks you can make"

How WotC felt after reprinting 90% of Tasha's feats but leaving out the one that the now core firearms need along with the other ones they left out as part of their balance changes.

[odd valley]

wizards operate in mysterious ways, what can i say

[worn lagoon]

just cast fire bolt

[rough basalt]

It's funny how it's the only odd one out.

[worn lagoon]

always works

[rough basalt]

The 4 others they left out make sense.

Which makes me think they just forgot about it or they didn't want guns to actually be used and put them in as a tease.

[echo agate]

honestly took a couple of minutes, but just realized that it's 1 attack per round you can fire, thought it was once per attack, which only left abilities that had actual "multiattack" rather than extra attack

it is remarkably useful then for multiple actions ye

(i had entirely misunderstood how the entire loading property worked)

[rough basalt]

I wonder if their intent is that Fighters carry a whole bag of pistols and just keep drawing them to keep firing them.

Something tells me it's more likely they forgot or left it in so people who wanna use guns will buy it.

[odd valley]

basically throwing weapons but you don’t throw the pistol

or you could for an improvised attack

[rough basalt]

WotC when a new DM is just like "oh they don't have a thing for that? Let's fix that" instead of buy Tashas for their one player who wants to use guns cause they dont know that the feat exists in said book: Oh nooooo!

I thought they would've put it in Eberron, where people use Gun shaped Wands. But they didn't either so too bad non-arti Wandslingers you can't fire more than once now. /j

[knotty vine]

someone rolled stats and got a 10 10 12 12 12 12

[odd valley]

please tell me you let them reroll

[knotty vine]

they got to keep there og stats but i just thought that was jaw dropping

[cobalt owl]

Lmao

This is why I don't let players roll stat's or HP lmao

Cuz there's no point if they have a safety net.

[valid geyser]

I think I can accept that people like rolling stats if/when they like rolling high and also just like rolling dice

That said I’ve been having incredible luck rolling HP on my rogue. Like half of them have been 8s. Around 92 HP at level 9?

[cobalt owl]

Sure, but 80% of rolling for those things is taking the random result. Give a safety net and those rulls become nothing.

[empty thicket]

i will let them vote which they would like to use of system.
2 rolls of stats and roll hp OR point buy and for HP average.

If they chose gambling, its on them. Maybe i will be a bit kinder with them and not be too harsh if one get giga low stats

[odd valley]

i’d also personally rather not play a character that sucks at legitimately everything

[empty thicket]

not letting it roll again but maybe giving him the chance of roll 1 of those stats

[valid geyser]

Pretty much, it’s just the illusion of luck, but having the satisfying end result of high stats

[cobalt owl]

#pointbuywithextrastats

[cobalt owl]

I wouldn't either, it's why I just wouldn't roll lol

I'd give a modified Std array/point buy if I wanted them to have higher on average stats

[empty thicket]

There is a bit of beauty in struggling.

[knotty vine]

agreed

[cobalt owl]

There's a difference between struggling and unplayable

[empty thicket]

Obviously, the idea is settling the bar in struggling and not "i have no mouth and i want to scream" kind of creature

[cobalt owl]

AM has a few words to say

[empty thicket]

Yep, but im not AM.
I am almost like a Caine

[odd valley]

yeah no, that’s what i’m getting at i’d rather not play the i have no mouth and i want to scream creature

[cobalt owl]

If there's a setting for it in Foundry I'll probably do Max HP one of these days

[empty thicket]

Mmm..... max HP and i could be a bit more hard with them

[cobalt owl]

Big damage numbers are always funny

I laugh in doing multi attack greatsword sub level 5

[empty thicket]

Using a Chaos chart if the Max HP per level is enabled so i can be relax that a Lighting wont kill a player instantly

[severe rampart]

What is a Chaos chart?

[solar crow]

One of my friends got me a pair of socks for my birthday that say "wizards and Dragons and ---" 🤣 he's in my D&D campaign

We've fought and killed 3 dragons during the campaign so far

[empty thicket]

its a chart that would have lil random events.
Either good or bad.

The idea is that randomly things could happen to them, either finding 1gp, someone trapped under a tree, some old traps hidden, etc. etc.

[rugged hawk]

Just pull from a Deck of Many Things if you need a chaos roll

[empty thicket]

There will be a lady that will have one. If the player pay X ammount of money he can gamble in a random card, if they pay x5 times that money they get a good one

[hollow estuary]

Roleplaying characters with a int above +2 is really hard to do right in my opinion.

This is because once you reach a score of 15. You are now officially 5 points ahead of a common folk.

Like Albert Einstein if we're being generous had a intelligence score of 16 at best.

So once you reach that point you start to misrepresent what your character. because their intelligence is just so far beyond what you can represent.

Not a major issue but interesting to think about.

[empty thicket]

First card will be 50gp, next in forward will be 1000gp and 5000 a good one.

She will even give them some lil side missions//quests for some juicy magic items. Risk = Value

[hot reef]

iirc 18 is what a peak human looks like, so 16-18 would be where I would place Einstein

[sly crest]

Got my first ever session!

[hot reef]

Keep in mind D&D settings typically have lower populations than our world

[hollow estuary]

Einstein is not peak human intelligence. A +2 in intelligence makes you a genius.

And theirs these Korean kids that have like iqs of 207 and it's insane

[sly crest]

Who is peak intelligence, then? That guy who wrote the Rick & Morty copypasta?

[hot reef]

iq tests are pretty bad at objective intelligence

[hollow estuary]

Well honestly that's up to debate but I don't think anyone ever got a 18 in intelligence

[hollow estuary]

This kid learned 5 languages at 8 years old.

Went on to work with NASA in his teens

And more I think

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_Ung-yong

[hot reef]

Yeah, that’s a better measure

[hollow estuary]

Yeah I know

[hot reef]

18 is the highest end in a world with tens of millions, maybe hundreds of millions of humanoids if we’re being generous
The highest equivalent score in our world has the potential to be higher

Especially with widespread education

[hollow estuary]

What wis score do you think AI has

I mean it's trained off millions of pages of all around the Internet

21?

[glass granite]

It’s perception is off the charts, but I’m unsure about its insight

[halcyon bison]

I don't think AI is very wise at all
it is often unable to distinguish between reliable and unreliable sources which suggests a low insight
and it's generally more book smart than street smart

[hollow estuary]

So int 20?

Actually ai isent superhuman yet so int 17?

[hollow estuary]

History skill too.

[hot reef]

Its intelligence and thought process are completely different from a human, so it’s hard to put a good score on it

I’d give it advantage on intelligence checks and proficiency in certain fields

[glass granite]

I mean, AI is quite inconsistent on its information still, so I feel like it’s not THAT high.

Also I thought history was int

[hollow estuary]

Half proficiency?

[glass granite]

Beats me

[hollow estuary]

This guy threw the concept of AI being wise out the window. So we switched to int

[hot reef]

Gen AI also varies in how powerful/effective it is
I’d give it 10-14 int depending on model and advantage on int checks

[hollow estuary]

Fair fair

[lament geyser]

Anyone know where to get a game

[hot reef]

Check pins in #dnd-newcomers

[lament geyser]

Kk

[halcyon bison]

Yeah, it has abundant access to information but limited ability to comprehend it
Another thing to consider is the fact that it’s memory is often limited by the model, and memory is part of intelligence in dnd
But at the same time can a math equation even have mental ability scores? At least in the same way normal creatures do

[hot reef]

Indeed

[halcyon bison]

Like it might replicate the effect of having x intelligence, but what would happen if it had to make an intelligence saving throw?

[hot reef]

It’d either be an object or a construct (maybe a spell/magic item effect)

[hearty hollow]

what class would work for a player character inspired by Mileena from mortal combat? im thinking rogue or fighter..

[halcyon bison]

There are some magic items that act similar to ai
Like professor orbs and mimir

[hot reef]

Docents

[empty thicket]

Rogue, Fighter with dual wielding daggers or barbarian can work too

[halcyon bison]

But mimir does not have mental scores and professor orbs and docents do so that’s even more confusing

[hearty hollow]

barbarian then multiclassing to rogue i think if i pick barbarian

[empty thicket]

Not need at all, rogue for what?

For the daggers? Barb can use them, she is pretty strong and fast, no need of real armor like she do in the games

[river vector]

well thri kreen not needing sleep will lead to something funny next session, when my vampire BBEG who is travelling with the party in disguise of a holy cleric will try to sneak off.

[true trout]

Hex crawl with random encounts session today yay

[cobalt owl]

I wish I had it in me to use hexes

[true trout]

Also defending a village from a goblinoid seige

[torpid mesa]

question about Hadar's Grasp warlock invocation, if I'm hexblade and i position my sword pointing forwards, then conjure eldritch blast with it, Hadar's Blast will make the entity move 3 meters in my direction. If they are like, 2 meters in front of me, can I make it so that the entity moves 3m in my direction, being stabbed by my blade, also being dealt damage because of that?

[cobalt owl]

Not RAW

For people who don't play Metric 1.5m = 5 feet

[torpid mesa]

so, it would be decided by my DM?

[cobalt owl]

Technically yes. Also technically not raw so pointing a sword at incoming does not do damage

If they run RAW you will be told no

[severe rampart]

If my player did that I'd allow it, very creative, at reduced damage though, as it's not the same as swinging it at the enemy

[torpid mesa]

the sword would be held in front of me pointing towards the person, if Hadar's Grasp makes the person come 3m in my direction, they would be punctured by it if they are within 3m

[true trout]

I give an extra 1d6 for repeling blasting someone into a wall sometimes but its not RAW

[cobalt owl]

Flavor like that isn't listed in game rules 🤷

Makes sense in reality sure, but DND ain't reality

Also theyd just end up in a 5 foot area unoccupied by you so no you're not hampering their movement forcibly

[torpid mesa]

"you can move them in a straight 3m line in your direction"

[feral fulcrum]

It makes sense in reality, but D&D is not a reality simulator. Unless you're making an attack role with the sword, it's not going to actually do anything Rules as Written, and Rules as Intended.

[cobalt owl]

Sure, but it's also listed as a separate rule you can't occupy another creatures space unless there's a 2 size discrepancy

I'm sure you've been told that

[torpid mesa]

understood, will try it out and maybe update yall

[true trout]

It's creative but it has issues even mechanically because a full 1d8 damage is to much and how do you take into account AC

If I was the DM id reward the creativity if it were like 1d4 damage.

[torpid mesa]

thanks yall, will ask my DM

[cobalt owl]

You do that

[feral fulcrum]

In my Saturday campaign, it's looking very likely that we'll have a jumpy mob/militia rocking up to my group. Because they think we're fiends (A group of Tieflings, and an Alicorn Centaur with firey hooves apperently gets alot of attention. WHodathunk. :P)

[crimson gulch]

Using forced movement dosent get you free weapon attacks

[feral fulcrum]

Forced movement is mostly useless without environmental hazards for the most part.

Because 5E is allergic to directly rewarding it generally.

Good if you absolutely need to reposition someone, but not great unless you've got active hazards like cloud of daggers, wall of fire, etc.

[true trout]

One time my lvl 20 warlock player with repeling blast and illusionist bracers soloed half of undermountain and it came up where like 6 or more blasts would hit so 60+ movment straight into a wall. I sort of was forced to use fall damage rules but sideways. 😆

[abstract beacon]

Do you guys think we’ll ever get a revised war wizard or Battlerager?

[frail wasp]

yes, someday

[abstract beacon]

Or samurai for that matter?

I feel like a lot of good classes from 2014 have been left behind in terms of catching up. Ik it’s only been 2 years since 2024 but still

Gimme a viable Battlerager and Cool doer war wizard and I’m set

Maybe with a little cavalier in there

[frail wasp]

its just a matter of priority ... wouldn't expect it for a while

[abstract beacon]

Figured as much

[lavish flame]

yeah prolly

[abstract beacon]

War wizards ability is so cool but underwhelming and Battlerager is simply far too weak to compare to modern barbarian subclasses

I know we are getting some other old classes returning in the books set to release this year

Like Arcane Archer

[worn lagoon]

war wizard feels half-assed

[fossil hollow]

BR was weak even by 2014 standards

[worn lagoon]

its like they had a concept but sat down and instantly gave up

[dim wasp]

Oki

[abstract beacon]

Fr

[fossil hollow]

surprised we havent gotten a War Wiz UA

[abstract beacon]

It was going somewhere but it flopped in my opinion

[worn lagoon]

we have shield at home, the subclass

[abstract beacon]

Having like a mini pool of stored magic for stopping other magic is super cool but what you get in return is like really low dmg

As for the Battlerager well…

I’ve resorted to making my own

With my DM’s approval of course

I took bits and pieces from other homebrew Battleragers and put the best ones together

[worn lagoon]

carrying exactly one instance of +3 force damage/sr until dm throws spellcasters at you to burn 3rd level and higher spell slots on...

[abstract beacon]

True

[worn lagoon]

you don't get power surges if you simply shutdown the enemy spellcaster by using a deadlier lv3 spell

[abstract beacon]

We have gotten some cool UA subclasses tho ngl

Like spell guard paladin

And mystic arts monk

[true panther]

How does someone find a group to play with on this server? I have years of experience but have not played in close to a decade sadly.

[undone rain]

#looking-for-players

[tame kelp]

Is it possible that Druid is basically a skinwalker?

"My homie can turn into a bear what the hell?" -someone

[glacial thistle]

I am curious and not sure where to ask. What modules do people like to play in? More like what is most popular. I ask because I am running a Tyranny of Dragons campaign but also looking to start a couple more. Just unsure of what flows better than others, which story people like, are some of the third party modules fun to play.

[jovial shadow]

Sadly the best modules are from the 1980's. Same monsters though

[glacial thistle]

Gotcha. I have heard that Strahd is one that people love and want to play but the otherside is many people are sick of it. I was looking at Dungeons of Drakkenheim. I thought Descent into Avernus seemed like a lot of fun. But yeah, wasn't sure.

[severe rampart]

I find Curse of Strahd delightful

[craggy summit]

CoS was my first adventure I played at our LGS, very fun 🤙

[twin quail]

My only experience with anything even remotely CoS related was a Halloween one-shot where the DM implied we were in Barovia

It gave me a taste and I'm curious enough for more

[vestal crow]

is there a reason to use eldritch knight with str focus instead of dex ? doesnt dex just benefit more

[fossil hollow]

STR weapons

[worn lagoon]

I really really really want to run descent into avernus or curse of strahd as a player

[wispy vector]

Knocking people prone, or if you're using Polearm master

[severe rampart]

I wanted to play CoS as a player first but sucked it up and played as the DM

[worn lagoon]

but given those don't really come up in lfgs, it's forcing me to "fine i'll do it myself"

[severe rampart]

Right? Lol

[worn lagoon]

you're kind of ruining the descent into avernus experience of a party of unfortunate npcs in the distance rn

which is delightful, but not the same thing

[worn lagoon]

DM DiA or CoS for me please please please please

trade offer, i'll give you TWO more wands of fireballs

[severe rampart]

Doesn't apply to CME, as it's not a hit spell

And I got a pretty good party for CoS right now, never gonna change 'em for anything

[worn lagoon]

i don't think cme is doing you many favors against high ac atm tbh

[stoic warren]

Soooo I took the observant feat in dnd and now my characters passive perception is 20 and their passive investigation is 17

[severe rampart]

I'll find a way

[twin quail]

Hell yeah

[stoic warren]

I feel bad for my dm

[crimson gulch]

Why?

[twin quail]

Nah, don't feel bad

Take advantage of it

[bronze wave]

If a dm is getting ruined by 20 passive they might be cooked

It sounds fun to play tho

[stoic warren]

Nah its not that their cooked its that one of our main advisories is a guild of assassins and he likes having the surprise element of us never knowing when their coming now this is gonna make it a little harder for him to do that

[twin quail]

I feel like that's a positive

[worn lagoon]

things and often chopped and cooked before they ate

[twin quail]

I might also be mildly biased because I once had a level 8 Cleric with +15 To Hit and 20 AC

[cobalt owl]

I think a 20 passive perception is decently low on actual problems DMs have to deal with

[severe rampart]

A plus what huh

[worn lagoon]

this is a good thing, your pcs are extra cautious because they're up against something that warrants it and it makes sense

and if your dm's encounters are unsalvagably ruined by this alone, they need to try harder at balancing

[cobalt owl]

They took it to deal with what they believe is an incoming situation. Thats just decent planning

DMs who complain about small problems like 20 passive perception need to be better at balancing or flexible encounter building I agree

[twin quail]

Eh, ranged from +11 to +15, I don't fully recall

[stoic warren]

Ok I meant that it makes it harder when he's trying to have one of the ominous moments he likes to have his combat encounters are amazing

[keen cave]

My DM let me cast ‘summon water’ in a guys lungs. we were saving orphans from a hobgoblin. I traumatized them for life.

[worn lagoon]

they can handle it

[cobalt owl]

oh boy not this again

[stoic warren]

Yea but they probably deserved it

[vestal crow]

is 14 int enough for an eldritch knight in 5.5e ?

[cobalt owl]

Depends

Do you use a lot of save spells

Do you use a lot of int attacks?

[keen cave]

His way of making sure I could never do so again was that the kingdom legally ordered ‘that is so horrible, do that again you’re executed.’

[keen cave]

No way.

[worn lagoon]

even 8 can be enough depending on the spells you pick

[bronze wave]

Seems reasonable enough but it can depend on the spells

[stoic warren]

You became the Canada of your world

[cobalt owl]

Int on EK depends on whether you use a lot of "scale off spellcasting mod" spells

[void crown]

I had the worst luck today in d&d advantage on every roll and barely ever rolled about a 10 with a + seven modifier xD

[plush ermine]

Ngl is it me, or is it annoying how only wizards can learn a spell? Like are other spellcasters really are expected to just sit and twiddle their thumbs and they cant learn anything from their faith, or master their powers, find another method of spell expression, plead their patron for something? Like i wanted to play a light cleric and tried to branch out to find more fire and radiant spells outside of cleric but was then told i cant cus im not a wizard

[keen cave]

When we were supposed to kill the king, I used summon water again.

[void crown]

Yea

[worn lagoon]

a lot of wizard-exclusive spells being wizard-exclusive pmo

[keen cave]

By then a new party member had joined us, a child character, He was standing right next to the king.

[keen cave]

He was right next to the king as he exploded into watered down blood and organs

[worn lagoon]

like omggggg wym my draconic sorcerer can't ever true polymorph into a dragon but the wizard with 0ml/L of dragon in his blood can

[keen kestrel]

I feel bad, I'm currently in two separate CoS campaigns

then again, I came into DnD late and have been catching up on all things dnd related

[void crown]

Like tbh I wouldn't even be mad if you didnt really choose the spells but got one that just made sense to your magic source for those. Like if you are a dragonborn sorcerer you learn the spell dragon breath or elemental spells to your dragon type

But you could spend down time honing your skills to be able to cast them

[bronze wave]

I mean wizards besides their spell learning are kinda boring/basic

Besides bladesinger most of their features are kinda meh or boring

As such they are better with spells itself

[wispy vector]

By that logic, I find it questionable how not a single wizard school of magic is able to teach Healing spells (Excluding Life transference)

Even artificer can do that

[keen kestrel]

probably mostly for balancing (in lore I guess you could say healing is not something you can simply learn)

[wispy vector]

It's 100% balancing

[keen kestrel]

like letting wizards do literally everything probably isn't great

[tawdry inlet]

Guys, I need a professional opinion. Is having a way of having Conjure Elemental spell at 1st level anyhow good idea?

[wispy vector]

But it's weird how wizards just can't understand and replicate the formulas for spells that heal, when the magical nerds are usually able to replicate everything else

[keen kestrel]

maybe it could be impossible to replicate? artificers can only do it with technology, and most others get it from an outside source of some kind

[hot reef]

Healing through intelligence based magic may involve understanding the entire body structure, whereas other forms may simply need the concept of healing

[keen kestrel]

dunno, in lore it could be next to impossible for people to understand every different species, much less the science behind how internal organs work

[molten wigeon]

do the sorcery points given via the Metamagic Adept trait stack with normal sorcery points? Could I do font of magic with them?

and could I use the 2 metamagic options in general?

[knotty vine]

Yeah

[severe rampart]

Oof, personally I wouldn't do that, as I'd be spoiled in at least one of the campaigns, but you do you

But also CoS does have a lot to explore, so you're getting new content for both campaigns

[molten wigeon]

level 3 sorcerer having 5 sorcery points

dang

and 4 whole metamagic options

[molten wigeon]

you cannot use font of magic with them, rereading the feat

it's still free metamagic for a sorcerer, they can use all of their natural ones to font of magic

[rough basalt]

I feel like any time I wanna Wizard I end up wanting to Sorc instead due to the 5.5e Sorc changes

Innate Sorcery was really the last piece of the puzzle to make that class amazing for me.

[bronze wave]

Sorc is just a cooler wiz, it has actual flavors

[knotty vine]

The new careful spell is amazing

[feral fulcrum]

Sorceror shouldn't truly be compared to Wizard, because they have pretty different spell lists overall. Yes, there's quite a bit of overlap, but Wizards expand way more into support and utility.

While Sorcerors mostly hover around blasting

[odd valley]

i’m kinda split cuz i love wizards but sorcerers do seem like fun

[feral fulcrum]

A Wizard can conjure a fortress, a Sorceror cannot. As an example.

They aim for different styles

[wispy vector]

Just be a Divine Soul Sorcerer.
Now you're a cleric as well :D

[paper portal]

wizard still very much has the spell list advantage

[feral fulcrum]

Wizard also has lots of cool subclasses in 2024

Like Illusion Wizard who gets to make their usually non-real illusions...well, real.

[keen kestrel]

My dm's are mixing it up and trying to have events that affect the game differently

[rough basalt]

Kinda
Not so much anymore

[empty thicket]

Evoker seems funny

[rough basalt]

Depends on the game but like asdx says they're different.

Evoker is kinda funny

Fireballing your allies is perfectly fine

[empty thicket]

i want it mostly for the not collateral damage to allies

Putting a Dark star in the middle of the arena and dont worrying about them

Making the enemies stare the void and see me bend reality like a stick

[rough basalt]

I remember Gravity Sinkholing on a fighter in my 1st game to drag enemies into his range

[empty thicket]

that is the kind of teamplay i want

[rough basalt]

Or fireballing a crowd of enemies holding a girl hostage

[fierce echo]

Here’s a classic.

Cast magic missile into the dark.

[empty thicket]

Good, now the whole cave know your position.

Run or make a new character.

[feral fulcrum]

Randomly firing spells into the dark is never going to acheive much of anything. Even if you know Something is in there.

[molten wigeon]

I've just always wanted to play a sorcerer in 2014 rules

one of the classes I never got to

[wispy vector]

It's the most fun caster class imo

[molten wigeon]

I've played a hexblade warlock with a "muramasa sword" type of thing going on

I'm not sure how to describe it better, that's basically what I was doing

I'm planning on playing my abberant mind sorcerer the same combat wise, especially at higher levels where I can just spam Arms of Hadar

because with the discount for the Aberrant Mind spells at 6th level, at that point I'd have 6 sorcery points to use. Plus 4 1st level slots in general, not to mention upcasting

[wispy vector]

Don't forget that you can replace the Aberrant Mind spells with a Sorcerer, Wizard or Warlock Spell from the Divination and Enchantment school

[woven flint]

Good News, everyone

My Harengon Wizard was able to retire and live

Now he's replaced with an Air Genasi Noble

[plush ermine]

It is weird, especially since necromancy involves negative energy, and wizards also get alot of radiant and necrotic spells, But they cant get positive energy thru abjuration and healing?

[molten wigeon]

I can cast Hex

[wispy vector]

More importantly, you can cast Silvery Barbs at basically no cost (if your dm allows it)

Tasha's hideous laughter is also a funny option

[molten wigeon]

that too, yeah.

I play with the craziest min max players, my group is very creative at least in my campaign

a raging berserker barbarian was turned into a giant ape via polymorph and they cast enlarge on him

I literally had a dragon ball transformation mid boss battle and I had to deal with the giant monkey throwing a +9 3d10, 3 attacks per turn right at the BBEG

[cobalt owl]

Peak cinema

[knotty pasture]

Just chop off the tail

[fossil hollow]

I need that rathalos ruby, right now

[molten wigeon]

lmao I wasn't even mad next time they do that I'm bringing out a dragon of some kind for a kaiju fight

godzilla vs king kong in dnd

[clear goblet]

Holy peak?

[knotty pasture]

Have someone cast Polymorph on one of your teammates to turn them into a T-Rex, then have another person cast Enlarge on that T-Rex

There's your godzilla knockoff on your side

[terse ledge]

that moment when you make a map for an entire city, and have only four total businesses that have specific names, but then you go and give the local inn the best name of them all and are desperately attempting to find an idea even half as good for an NPC to run the inn

[molten wigeon]

they're so good at the game I literally have to increase CR past the usual amount

[terse ledge]

I called it The Letmi Inn

[clear goblet]

It do be like that tho

Watch as the gorrila casts barbarian gorilla get invisiblity casted on him

[hidden spindle]

Right next to The Lettuce Inn

[molten wigeon]

they're level 8 at the moment, I'm going to trust their skill and I'm using an Aboleth on them here

[clear goblet]

The NPC named Well Cominn

[knotty pasture]

Hm, I might actually take that idea

Not for an inn name but more like a world name

[terse ledge]

the named businesses are as follows;

• The Letmi Inn
• Granny Agnes' Alchemy Shop
• Calcelmo's Curiosities (it's a magic shop)
• The Cut Coinpurse (combination pawn shop and gambling hall, will buy anything with no questions asked)

[knotty pasture]

Letmienn

[molten wigeon]

the walled city

[clear goblet]

Completely unrelated rq, but I love Yaelokre

[molten wigeon]

yeag they are cool :3

[clear goblet]

Granny Agnes sounds lovely to me

[knotty pasture]

Hope she isn't a hag

[terse ledge]

I am evil and have recycled the name of an old lady they met in the previous campaign that they spent two and a half hours of the session worrying about because one of the players was certain she had to be a hag (that player was correct, but Granny Agnes did nothing but give them genuinely useful items, albeit slightly cursed)

[clear goblet]

That would be so sad
Unless she's one of those crazy ones that give you candy that that they themselves don't know is obviously poisonous

[clear goblet]

This is why we DM 😭

[terse ledge]

however, despite Granny Agnes being a hag in my previous campaign, the NPC in the new campaign with that name and using the same token is actually just a kind old lady who makes potions

[bitter kraken]

Any ppl who have experience with continuing a campaign after a (6 month) hiatus?

[knotty pasture]

I knew it, Agnes is a hag

[woven flint]

Granny Agnes Normalperson is her full name

[terse ledge]

was* a hag, the new Granny Agnes is just a normal old lady

[clear goblet]

Kinda? Revisiting but not fully continuing

[knotty pasture]

If someone's name starts with auntie or granny in 5e better keep your wits about you

[woven flint]

"I'm Agnes Normalperson, sweetie!"

I introduced a rather pompus Air Genasi Noble as my replacement character for one I retired

The Former was a very kind Harengon Wizard

[clear goblet]

Have the new nice Granny Agnes experience something and later become a worse hag than the original, but only after they're fully convinced that she's better than the last

[terse ledge]

the main reason the player was freaking out was because an orc war party had very recently passed through that exact region, and yet there was just a random old lady living alone in her little house, completely unbothered, and that should not have been possible

[bitter kraken]

We had a break cause the party face was doing overtime at work 24/7 and his partner didn't want to play without him. After that I caught some respiratory illness + got acute acid reflux which damaged my vocal cords now I'm getting back in the saddle and wondering how to have it continue. We ended mid boss fight and my notes are a mess.

[broken imp]

sound like my party, they heard the ring was stolen and saw that they had a ring, panicked and thought they have the ring, even though they clearly just brought it like last session

[terse ledge]

oh, and I made sure to have her be very weird - any time she offered something to the party, or they asked for something, she'd say that all she needed in return was "a pittance of coin an' a day's time", and she worded it exactly the same way every time, even if she was handing them the item right at that moment

also when given the chance she kissed the druid's ear and licked it, which yes, was a sort of curse binding the deal

to be clear, she wasn't asking for "a pittance of coin an' a day's time" because she needed them to come back later, no, the deal was to take a day from them and have control over them for that day

[clear goblet]

Your options are probably between these:

1. Try your best to remake the battle where you think everything left off and continue from there (unadviced)
2. Continue from after the battle and just say they won (unless it was very lore heavy)
3. Restart the battle and either continue from when it starts or a scene or two before it starts
4. Completely reroute

[terse ledge]

but I never got to play with the "day's time" bit because we ended the campaign early

since I never got to use this idea, please, feel free to take it

[clear goblet]

Oh I am absolutely taking that, thank you very much

[terse ledge]

The full and complete concept for the hag encounter, if anyone wants it

A hag who lives on a crossroads.

She disguises herself as a elderly woman, clearly having once been quite the beauty, before old age stole away her looks. She offers to help travelers with any troubles they may have, explaining that she has a way with potions and simple magics.

Most importantly, she always insists on phrasing the deal herself before agreeing to it. She's not overtly malicious, despite being a hag, but always ensures that she's owed something more than the party intended to give.

As part of making the deal, she'll ask permission to give a kiss, but place it in a strange place - a wet, lingering kiss on the left ear, in which they're certain they felt her tongue, or a brief touch of unnaturally cold lips over each eyelid, or a kiss on the back of the hand, during which they feel a sharp prick, and after notice a small bead of blood rising on their skin.

Should players fail to meet the terms of the deal, or attempt to break it, they'll find something happens to the place they'd received her kiss - a player kissed over the eyes goes blind for a time, while one kissed on the hand is attacked by their own limb, and one kissed over the ear hears odd laughter on only one side, while an odd black substance leaks from their ear.

As for what the hag receives from a deal with the party, she'll phrase the deal like so:

"...and in return, I'll ask only a small pittance of coin, an' a day's time."

If no one in the party catches on, some time after making their deal, during apparent downtime, they will awake to find they've somehow forgotten an entire day, and have to scramble to find out what happened

[bitter kraken]

I'm more of thinking of doing like a 1-2 hour meet where we'd discuss if they remember where we left off, their resources etc, and cobble together the plans for what comes after. It's a bit loreheavy, would have been a proper boss a level earlier rn it's difficult but mostly possible.

[terse ledge]

I do not have any specific ideas at this time for what the hag wants to use the party for during that day of missing time, but I'm sure a clever DM can figure something out. The most important thing is that this can be used as a way to keep things interesting when you would otherwise have some downtime during your campaign

[broken imp]

lemme try this

[clear goblet]

That's smart, it's good that you plan to get that sorted with your party. If you can continue there, it'd be pretty nice. You think you'd be able to handle improvisation if needed?

[bitter kraken]

I have tons of notes for the world in general, got a few docs with possible quests but the party had gotten a lot of quests before and it's time to hammer a few away if we return to it.

[errant hare]

Wazaaaaa

[clear goblet]

Then I'd say you should be good, just as long as the players are able and ready

Just make sure you don't try and focus too much on the little stuff and remember that you're getting back into the swing of things

[errant hare]

I'm literally brand new to d&d watched a few vids from magic the noah, does his content relate to d&d or not

[clear goblet]

Definitely a lot more structured, but you could say it's conceptually the same 💀

[errant hare]

Ty

[clear goblet]

Ofc ^^

[errant hare]

How long does a game last

[fossil hollow]

Depends, but 20 ish sessions, 3-4 hour sessions

[terse ledge]

it is entirely dependent on the story you want to tell, how often you play, and how long the sessions are

[clear goblet]

Depends on who you're playing with too. Like if your players and DM are experienced, it'll probably go on for about that long or maybe a bit longer. If you're all new, it probably won't last nearly as long, or it'll last an eternity and you won't know what's going on lol

[terse ledge]

I'm a player in a game that's still ongoing more than two years later

the same characters and campaign

we started at level one, and are currently only level 14

[lavish flame]

I usually play once weekly for 3 hours straight

[clear goblet]

I've got a game that has 2 hour sessions every week currently. We've been going for a few months, and if not for seperate lives it'd probably continue for another year

[arctic roost]

do you think the campaign will go on all the way to level 20?

[paper portal]

how are yall getting only 3 hour sessions thats impressive

[clear goblet]

We only have a specific timeframe before he have to stop 🥀

That works for me tho as the DM, cause it means I can time my sessions better and improvise if I don't have enough planned without worrying too much about having way too much time to spare

[arctic roost]

my sessions are usually only 2 hours

so we have to go quick at times

[terse ledge]

probably not, tbh - we're already nearing the end game, but tbf, the campaign has lasted for at least 50 sessions, probably more (we only play every second week, if even that often)

[arctic roost]

wow

yeah my next session is on wednesday but we're reaching the end. i'm a level 4 paladin and it's been going for about 10 sessions now i think

[terse ledge]

okay, yeah, that's a really short campaign

imo, anything less than 8 sessions isn't even a campaign, it's just an adventure

[arctic roost]

it's scheduled so we'll have like 16 or so

next one will be the 12th i think

[river vector]

I don't know why I expected strahd to not be the class that he is

[fossil hollow]

what class is strahd

[burnt grove]

Sorcerer perhaps?

[fossil hollow]

hes not a sorceror, that much i know

[burnt grove]

(Idk I never played strahd just guessing)

Vampires and sorcery just mesh lol

Anyone know how good giant barbarian is?

[fossil hollow]

One of the best

[burnt grove]

I’m genuinely interested in playing a skirmishing variant

[knotty pasture]

Pretty much top 2 Barb subclass

It being #1 depends on whether or not size related tech is allowed

[burnt valley]

Necromancy Wizard X

[burnt grove]

Lol

[woven flint]

Strahd is classified as a Wizard-Type enemy

[fossil hollow]

makes sense

hes always been a spellcaster to my knowledge

[woven flint]

I know because I've fought him twice 🫠

[burnt grove]

Ah Iim thinking echo knight fighter with giant barbarian build perhaps thoughts?

[burnt valley]

oversized weapons are simply sp00d

[knotty pasture]

Someone in #optimization can probably give better advice

I've been meaning to try out Giant but haven't yet

[burnt valley]

I don't play martials so maybe Nacho has a say on it

[burnt grove]

Nacho macho?

[fossil hollow]

Nacho from the optimization channel

[naive cedar]

Strahd being a wizard is really funny to me for some reason

ig because he doesn’t seem like a stereotypical wizard

[fossil hollow]

too much of an incel to be one

[knotty pasture]

I mean Wizards can definitely be incels, they're so deep into their books that they didn't touch grass

[naive cedar]

Strahd is a bloodsucking nerd

[naive cedar]

While this is true, Elminster, the most famous DND wizard, is not an incel

[fossil hollow]

hes such a chad

[knotty pasture]

He's special, he's chosen of Mystra and went through gender transitioning for a while

[fossil hollow]

exactly

Mordenkainen though...

[naive cedar]

The incel Strahd versus the chad elminster

[fossil hollow]

We all know how Mordenkainen is

[burnt valley]

he's one of the most problematic wizards and he isn't even an incel

[naive cedar]

Problematic? More like iconic

[keen kestrel]

We all know van richten is the real chad

[burnt valley]

the mystra lapdog

[naive cedar]

Actually wait Edwin might be even more pathetic than Strahd

[knotty pasture]

Edwin is just funny

[keen kestrel]

It's really hard to be more pathetic than strahd

[burnt valley]

Volo is a fraud

[naive cedar]

Edwin manages

[keen kestrel]

Idk, Strahd is REALLY pathetic

[knotty pasture]

Volo is a key example of what happens when you try to multiclass into Bard as a Wizard

[naive cedar]

I barely count him tbh. He’s very obviously supposed to be a bard and was just coded as a wizard in the game because 2e was dumb

[burnt valley]

Volo will argue its for the roleplay

[keen kestrel]

Volo will argue he's just in it for the love of the game

[naive cedar]

Strahd was a successful warlord or something I believe tho? Edwin…yeah

[burnt valley]

Edwin who?

[naive cedar]

From balder’s gate

Not 3, the first two

[keen kestrel]

Just because he's good at being a warlord doesn't mean he's not overtly pathetic for becoming one because his first love was the lady who was supposed to marry his brother

[naive cedar]

I don’t disagree that he’s pathetic, I just think Edwin is even more pathetic

[burnt valley]

what makes Edwin pathetic?

[knotty pasture]

||He tried to challenge Elminster at the end of bg2, failed, and was transformed into a woman permanently and made to serve as a barmaid for the rest of his life||

[rugged hawk]

Edwin was proven pathetic by getting deposed from ruling Thay the same day he conquered it

[naive cedar]

He’s a companion in bg1/2 who acts like a cartoon evil Wizard bad guy from an old kids cartoon but thinks he’s an ultra powerful wizard (and he talks in parenthesis all the time)

[burnt valley]

BRUH

Bro got done dirty

we should go jump Elminster rn

[fossil hollow]

Many have tried. Many have died

[naive cedar]

Oh yeah that wizard with the tower in BG3 is up there too

[burnt valley]

They should write a book where he permanently dies ngl

[naive cedar]

Uhhh censor bad words next time fam /j

[knotty pasture]

||Lorroakan|| did put up a good fight at least

[naive cedar]

||Not while Aylin is around||

[burnt valley]

i wanna see an Elminster statblock and watch his toolkit be filled with trap options

[naive cedar]

That being said, the coolest dnd wizard is obviously Tasha

[knotty pasture]

||She doesn't even revive when she's downed in that fight until its over!!||

[burnt valley]

The coolest dnd wizard is Karsus, 2nd and 3rd place being Telamont Tanthul and Szass Tam

[knotty pasture]

||I'd fight Aylin if only for a challenge run||

[naive cedar]

||The AI in that game does her dirty tbh||

[naive cedar]

Nah, it’s Tasha, then Gale, then…uh…isn’t vecna technically a wizard?

[burnt valley]

Vecna is a wizard yes

[woven flint]

Elminster is the last guy you wanna mess with

[uncut zenith]

Y’all sleeping on Volo /j

[burnt valley]

Karsus (Too based for the world, stepped up when Mystryl didn't do jack against the phaerimm and invented the only 12th level spell)
Szass Tam (Did some Far Realm shenanigans to amp himself to an enormous degree, has the strongest 5e statblock)

[burnt valley]

I would but he's on 2nd place after Mystra

[woven flint]

The scariest level 1 wizard faluting as a bard ever...

I frankly think Vecna is second to Mystra in magical prowess, he's been a God and not a God many times

[naive cedar]

Some of the older editions had odd classes for characters tbh. Wasnt Jarlaxle a fighter initially?

[devout wolf]

Is 125 damage in a single surprise round excessive for a party of 3 level 3s?

[burnt valley]

Vecna has one of the biggest Wizardry success stories, bro pulled off a feat no one else could

[rugged hawk]

Jarlaxle's whole thing is Magic Items, so he's like a fighter with UMD.

[burnt valley]

Managed to raid Sigil with the help of the Serpent even though it took him most of his power from holding back the Lady of Pain

[woven flint]

In second edition he was fighter, yes

[burnt valley]

At his peak, he dwarfs her to an infinitely large degree

[naive cedar]

That’s fair but I would’ve figured he was a rogue or something

[woven flint]

In 5e, Jarlaxle is a Swashbuckler Rogue, I believe

He DOES have Sneak Attack on his statblock, I believe

[burnt valley]

would Thief be more fitting?

[naive cedar]

I think swashbuckler makes sense

[fossil hollow]

As much magic items he has, hes definitely a swashbuckler first

[woven flint]

Jarlaxle is too flamboyant personality wise to be a Thief Rogue (and I mean that respectfully)

He also Adds his Charisma to his AC so...
Not something real Swashbuckler Rogue does, but its there

[limber trail]

He’s very swashbuckler core

[naive cedar]

Maybe he’s a bard/rogue multiclass

[limber trail]

He’s a stat block so really he’s not any class

[buoyant oar]

Older editions gave them classes

[woven flint]

Jarlaxle has base 24 AC lol

+3 Leather Armor, +6 Dexterity and +4 Charisma

[naive cedar]

That is true: I just like imagining how character’s classes would go

[cursive fjord]

So im sad, i think im starting to like the idea of playing dnd rather than ACTUALLY playing dnd

[limber trail]

What

Okay maybe it’s good he’s kinda an ally of ours

[woven flint]

Yup.
Good ol' Jarlaxle Baenre has 24 AC

[buoyant oar]

Plus 3 leather armor and

Suave Defense. While Jarlaxle is wearing light or no armor and wielding no shield, his AC includes his Charisma modifier.

[woven flint]

And his Dexterity is included in the calculation as well

+6 Dexterity
He's just THE Rogue

[burnt valley]

i wish Jarlaxle had better ranged options

[fossil hollow]

why does he need range when he has gunslingers with him

[limber trail]

He doesn’t have a gun himself?

[knotty pasture]

Bee gee three does scratch that itch

[fossil hollow]

Not on his statblock itself no, apparently hes not using the thing hes selling

[limber trail]

My interpretation of Jarlaxle is fully just Kenny Ackerman from AoT lmao

[naive cedar]

You can also try out ridiculous multiclasses

[buoyant oar]

He does not need guns he has his magic bracer of Flying daggers.

[burnt valley]

60ft range lul

[burnt valley]

Pathfinder fixe-

[limber trail]

To be fair 60ft is usually enough range for a boss fight

[naive cedar]

What if I like both??? 🥺

[burnt valley]

Pathfinder 1e fixes this

[buoyant oar]

And the bracers of Flying Daggers were soul knife's psychic blades before they were cool.

[limber trail]

I could actually just yoink Jarlaxle’s stat block for a character in my game

Sunlight sensitivity is even fitting, they’re a partial vampire

[woven flint]

Jarlaxlpire

[buoyant oar]

Best not cross old One Eyed Jax

[fossil hollow]

i typically depict him as more laid back and jovial

Gonna take a lot to actually make him mad

[woven flint]

Jarlaxle also LOVES playing the Hero

[limber trail]

We killed one of his gunslingers and he was still chill with us

[fossil hollow]

TBF, that gunslinger was being racist

[limber trail]

Hokrun is trying to be pals with him a lil bit

Or work with/for him

I hope he shows up in Mad Mage in some way

[fossil hollow]

i wouldnt put it behind him to be the one protecting the tavern as well, honestly. Yall have been good to him

[buoyant oar]

Jarlaxle is laid back. He once traveled across Faerûn for his ex lover dragons with his best friend. The grumpiest assassin ever. Help him defeat an evil ghost and then rebuild an evil castle all to tell a paladin hero king to sod off.

[fossil hollow]

Jar-Temis, my beloved

shame how they ended

[buoyant oar]

Promise of the Witch King and Road of the Patriarch are probably the best Drizzt novels.

[woven flint]

My Harengon Wizard gave the entire party
(And Jarlaxle and Bigby) a permanent Rary's Telepathic Bond with a wish before departing to retire

[fossil hollow]

honestly, i would pick up the drizzt series again only for Jarlaxle

[woven flint]

So, He, his 5 party member, Jarlaxle and Bigby can speak anytime they wish even if he's retired lol

[buoyant oar]

Also those book gave us a grumpy assassin having a heartfelt memory about a person named Tiggerwillies. Imagine an audio book narrator trying to semi sob Tiggerwillies.

[woven flint]

He went to chase fatherly duties 🧐

A few of the party members haven't had the best dads from what they've told him, so they inspired him to be the best dad he could be

[warm basin]

With new true strike, what's stopping me from dumping strength as a Eldritch Knight?

[fossil hollow]

You can only use True Strike once per attack action

[woven flint]

Not being able to use Heavy Armor

[knotty pasture]

Tbf I'd dump str on Eldritch Knight to begin with

[warm basin]

How many attack actions do you get ?

[fossil hollow]

One. Two if you Action surge

[woven flint]

Not being able to use certain weapons because Heavy weapons have a minor strength requirement

[warm basin]

And if I don't want heavy armor?

[fossil hollow]

Attack =/= Attack action

[warm basin]

Action surge is once per long rest?

[fossil hollow]

Short Rest

Extra attack is not a seperate attack action

[warm basin]

Kk

[knotty pasture]

Dex con int is a better trade off since you keep your initiative and ranged game

As for armor just go medium armor, maybe transition to light down the road

[woven flint]

There are plenty of reasons to not dump your Physical stats as a fighter, even if you're an EK

[warm basin]

I was gonna do a warforged with int primary and dex secondary but not because I wanna focus on ranged attacks, rather because I'll just use true strike

[tall forge]

Dumping either dex or STR i think is fine

[warm basin]

And if I'm only missing on occasional surge that I can low key use for something else like a dash?

Then it seems like a decent build?

[tall forge]

but its way harder to dump dex imo

[woven flint]

My 8 Dex Fighter

[naive cedar]

It feels so liberating dumping dex

[tall forge]

not a terrible choice, just harder

dex just does so much

[knotty pasture]

Yeah I value my initiative lol

[woven flint]

You see, you can use EVERY Melee weapon with strength anyway

[knotty pasture]

You have less melee weapon choices but that's not too big of a deal, rapier still works out

[tall forge]

absolutely

And i so far have only played strenght based martials

[woven flint]

As for ranged options?
Javelins, Handaxes, etc

[tall forge]

but every time i get a low initiative, fail a dex save, or have to deal with a guy out of throw range

i feel a little sad

[arctic roost]

unless i'm playing a bard or a paladin, i always dump charisma

[woven flint]

I just ball tbh

[warm basin]

I want to use flail and have that be permanently ritual'd, but I rather have dex than st, so I dump st and use true strike flail forever?

[woven flint]

I'm built strangely 🧐

[tall forge]

But also, it feels so nice being big buff guy

i love playing my himbos

[woven flint]

It'd probably stop feeling good at some point, really

[knotty pasture]

Dunno about using flail

By going dex your only melee options are rapiers, shortswords, scimitars, daggers

Otherwise you have to deal with hitting people with 8 str

[woven flint]

Just join us Strengthmaxxers

[fossil hollow]

Im reminded of the DS STR vs DEX conundrum

[woven flint]

Literally the only times I use Dexterity as a main stat is with Monks and Rogues lol

My Ranger is a Dexterity Ranger atm though because we rolled stats and I ruled it'd be more dangerous for him to be in Melee than fight at Range (12 or 13 Con)

[keen kestrel]

I like using it for particular builds, like s&b fighters or a dexadin

but if I'm being honest, I generally don't like the big str based versions of these characters (fighter is the exception since it gets lots of feats which can make up for lack of stats)

[keen kestrel]

Str isn't bad for fighters, since you can mitigate your stat spreads with lots of feats

[tall forge]

i just cant have fun with rogue in combat

maybe 2024 fixes it a little?

[keen kestrel]

weapon masteries help a little, but not much

true strike honestly did a lot more for rogues than anything else

[tall forge]

it just sucks that everything they have is based on a single attack

[keen kestrel]

you can certainly find ways to make it happen almost every single time

[tall forge]

you can

but if you ever miss, it sucks

youll get the double nat 1s eventually

[keen kestrel]

the real goal is to get opportunity attacks as much as possible, so you can trigger sneak attack on those turns too

[tall forge]

ignoring party members helping (besides general positioning) its hard to force that

[paper portal]

tbh yeah rogues are just kinda lacking

[keen kestrel]

vex alone makes it very easy to keep advatange up (barring very low roles at least)

[paper portal]

depending on how you rank stuff theyre not the weakest class but like

[tall forge]

rogues are squishy enough that theyre a good enough target imo

theyre down there for sure

[keen kestrel]

they're not great for combat, but they were never really intended for it anyway

Some classes are just better at some things than others

[paper portal]

yeah tbh in terms of combat only class you can rly argue is weaker than rogues is barb

[tall forge]

imo, on a pure combat fun stance? rogue IS tho the worst class

cause at least barbarian can grapple

[paper portal]

dont let the roleplay purists hear you say that

[broken imp]

wah

[keen kestrel]

I mean, rp'ing is fine, I like rp'ing where my character is really bad at something but attempting it anyway to help

Like he's asked for directions, but can't find his way around a single street

[tall forge]

plus rogues main utility in combat costs sneak attack dice

[keen kestrel]

Hot take, but the worst main spellcasters in combat are wizards

[tall forge]

imo insane take

[woven flint]

Sadly, it's only really worth it if you have people that'll actively capitalize on it

[tall forge]

and like, i LOVE the idea of rogue

[keen kestrel]

Like they're incredibly good for bringing answers to a table, but they're too broad and have no solid direction

[woven flint]

Incredibly a take

[paper portal]

thats a very hot take because its not true

[broken imp]

kinda but rogue is a great nuker

[keen kestrel]

For outputting pure damage, almost every other spellcaster does better, and even in terms of control within combat, sorcerers and bards are far and away better

[tall forge]

thats a spell choice issue

[broken imp]

lmao no way

[naive cedar]

tbh i cant really call any spellcaster worst because they're all good

[woven flint]

I think Wizards ability to FOCUS on a spell school makes them STRONGER as well

[paper portal]

from a combat perspective wizards are the best class in the game, its a bit closer in 5.5 but still

[naive cedar]

maybe druid but i actually love druid bc i like animals

[paper portal]

true but wizard druid sorc are definitely better than bard and cleric

[tall forge]

Spells have the solution to any problem you have in the game

(ignoring spell immunity)

[keen kestrel]

See, I'd still put bard and cleric above them in team compositions, since they provide so many good buffs and ways to do damage or control

[naive cedar]

cleric is definitely better than druid

[broken imp]

asuming you get full lv20 feature with a few item, wizard outclass like everything

[limber trail]

I'd honestly believe it, I'd ask him to at least keep an eye on things

[tall forge]

Wizard does the most spells

therefore, wizards have the most answers

[paper portal]

even not assuming that wizards outclass everything except warlocks

[woven flint]

Bards are probably the weakest combat caster DAMAGE wise

Sorcerer is the weakest UTILITY wise because Utility just isn't their thing (Versatility does NOT equal utility, no Sorcerer is taking an abundance of utility spells)

[paper portal]

bards are imo the weakest caster in general just cus their spell list is so sad until magical secrets

[naive cedar]

honestly yeah id say bard is the weakest

[paper portal]

clockwork gets a lot of utility by pretending to be a wizard

[woven flint]

That's a Subclass
Not base class, therefore it doesn't change my argument

[tall forge]

Also, you want wizards to do more damage than a sorcerer? theres a subclass for that

[keen kestrel]

I guess I'm probably rating bardic inspiration too highly tbh

[tall forge]

Want them to be able to make sure a dude fails a saving throw? theres like, TWO subclasses for that

[naive cedar]

bard is borderline a gish lol their spell list is pretty meh with a few exceptions

[paper portal]

you said no sorc has utility, while most dont clockwork having that makes it the standout of the class

[broken imp]

3 kinda

[tall forge]

AC Tank? Subclass

Huge minion wave? Subclass

Be useless? Transmutation

( i love transmutation i promise)

[fossil hollow]

Wizard: Good at everything except support
Cleric: Utility, Support, Damage
Sorcerer: Damage, Control
Druid: Support, Damage (Summons), Control, Utility
Bard: Utility, Control, Support
Warlock: Control, Damage, Maybe Support

[woven flint]

Again.
That's A subclass.

[keen kestrel]

I'd say every sorcerer has utility, but meta magic does a lot of work

[paper portal]

yes i am aware

[tall forge]

Wizard only lacks specifically in the Healing support

[woven flint]

One subclass doesn't change the argument that an entire class is still weak utility-wise.

[broken imp]

"be useless" lmao of yea ur right

[naive cedar]

thoughts on storm sorcery?

[paper portal]

no but it does change the argument that its impossible for the class to have utility which is what you said

[tall forge]

listen, i think tranmustation wizard is cool

[woven flint]

I never said it was impossible lol

[naive cedar]

also transmutation is super useful what

[broken imp]

excuse me wizard is very much good at support

[tall forge]

But no one could ever make me believe that subclass was supposed to be good

[keen kestrel]

tbh, I can't take wizard seriously when their best subclass is just a gish subclass they take for higher AC

[paper portal]

mid at best, the expanded spell list subs just outdo it

[fossil hollow]

IG it depends on your definition of support

[paper portal]

you specifically said no sorcs have utility which is what i was correcting

some do

[tall forge]

i mean, thats just not true

[woven flint]

I said
Verbatim
"SORCERER is the weakest UTILITY class because utility just isn't their thing (Versatility does not equal UTILITY because no Sorcerer is taking an abundance of utility spells)"

[tall forge]

Divination is right there

Add in Critical role class, Chronurgy. By a mile.

[limber trail]

So I walked my brother and sister through making their first dnd characters last night and it made me wonder, what's in your opinion the best starter DnD class for someone new to the game? (Sister jumped on rogue, while brother decided to make a monk)

[woven flint]

I did not, in fact, say no sorcerer has utility at all.

[keen kestrel]

I mean, diviner is overall better, but I still just think wizards are only good when you can prepare for what you need

[tall forge]

fighter

[frail wasp]

champion fighter

[naive cedar]

metamagic is cool

[fossil hollow]

half casters imo, introduces them to spellcasting and weapon stuff

[woven flint]

The reading comprehension devil strikes hard sometimes /silly

[limber trail]

I considered suggesting paladin or ranger but neither were super interested in them

[tall forge]

honestly evocation isnt bad either

[naive cedar]

bold of you to assume dnd players read

[keen kestrel]

Evocation is alright

It's very beginner friendly

[woven flint]

Truthfully.

[naive cedar]

in bg3 specifically abjuration is good

havent tried it outside of that

[limber trail]

Abjuration is a super cool subclass

I wanna play it in an actual campaign (alas, scheduling prevents me from ever playing in a campaign...)

[keen kestrel]

Abjuration is really good for fighting against other spellcasters

[tall forge]

honestly, i dont think there are that many Bad subclasses for wizard

[fossil hollow]

just rather lucklaster ones

[paper portal]

no Sorcerer is taking an abundance of utility spells

this is the part i was correcting, as i have now clarified like four times. the reading comprehension devil does indeed strike hard

[frail wasp]

abjuration is amazing because it lets you smuggle npcs into places they're not supposed to be

[broken imp]

there's 1 or 2, 3 depend on how you count

[tall forge]

like i said, not many

[keen kestrel]

although, my least favorite spellcasters are bard/wizard/druid

[naive cedar]

i think wizard and cleric are strong enough classes on their own that subclasses arent super importanrt

what are the bad wizard subclasses?

[limber trail]

wizard to me is just not a super subclass-dependant class. I've never placed as much focus on their subclass when compared to a lot of other classes

[frail wasp]

unlocks so many sequence breaks

[keen kestrel]

illusionist is ok at best

[woven flint]

I said No Sorcerer is taking an abundance of utility spells

You said
Clockwork Soul
Which is one subclass.
I never said it's impossible for Sorcerers to be a utility class as I'VE clarified multi times.
I'm just saying any Sorcerer worth their salt is leaving utility to their Bard, Wizard, Cleric or Druid.

[paper portal]

yeah cus its their spell list that makes them good not their features

[keen kestrel]

Aberrant mind is also very good for utility

[paper portal]

ok yeah i give up this is really not that difficult to understand, saying NO sorcerer isnt true because one subclass is the exception

[naive cedar]

whats the worst subclass period

[paper portal]

(honestly like three but clockwork is the main one)

[paper portal]

5e berserker

[keen kestrel]

it's 5e berserker

and it's not particularly close

[paper portal]

eh stuff like battlerager is also abysmal but at least you arent nerfing yourself by taking it

[woven flint]

Yes, but a SINGULAR Subclass isn't changing an ENTIRE argument and you just admitted that Clockwork is the main utility one, congratulations, you made the point I was making.

[paper portal]

did you even read what i said lol

[naive cedar]

quick someone start an alignment debate

[keen kestrel]

the only argument I'd make for another subclass is every single ranger one in 2024 (mostly because building around hunter's mark is awful)

[woven flint]

Oh my god.

[keen kestrel]

Chaotic good is the only acceptable alignment

[paper portal]

alignment is stupid and we all know it

[keen kestrel]

Robin hood it up guys

[frail wasp]

something being stupid doesn't stop us discussing it

[naive cedar]

A lot of yall think chaotic evil = murderhobo and mistype chaotic evil characters as chaotic neutral bc they're nice to kittens or something

[paper portal]

ok thats true

[broken imp]

CE is the best one

[naive cedar]

Anyways thats my hot take for the night

[paper portal]

i keep wanting to make more silly warlock builds but i dont rly have ideas

[keen kestrel]

the new archfey warlock is hilarious and fun to build around

[paper portal]

L 5.5 /silly

[keen kestrel]

sadly you don't do new stuff

[paper portal]

yeah i rly prefer the old rules ngl

[woven flint]

I hate the 'abundance' of Teleporting Subclasss

[keen kestrel]

I'd say I get it, but I'm enjoying the new ones more and more

[paper portal]

conjuration wizard does it rly cool though imo

[keen kestrel]

Sorcerer feels so much more distinct in 2024

Archfey warlock should be the exception here tbh @woven flint

[frail wasp]

conjuration wizard is amazing at bypassing traps

[paper portal]

main thing that turns me off the new rules is the martial caster divide being bigger ngl

[broken imp]

for wizard i like div wizard

[paper portal]

like they buffed a lot of stuff but the strongest martials are a lot worse off than they were in 5e

[woven flint]

Archfey Warlock, Cartographer Artificer, Conjuration Wizard, World Tree Barbarian (at a point because they'll just be able to teleport whenever the hell they want)
They all piss me off /Not Serious

[keen kestrel]

Eh, weapon masteries give a lot more utility, and outside of t3 play and higher, martials are still really good in early play and very fun

[paper portal]

dont forget echo knight and wildfire druid! theyre some of my favourites

[keen kestrel]

That doesn't feel like too many, luckily you won't have to worry about horizon walker ranger coming back

[woven flint]

I exclude subclasses that don't make Teleporting their entire thing
Which is why Wildfire Druid isn't there

[paper portal]

valid

[keen kestrel]

At least there isn't a fey based sorcerer yet

The day that happens, tokii will lose his mind over everybody using misty step

[woven flint]

Also, I'm not going through to name everything with a teleportation gimmick as a teleporting subclass, too many just rely on it TOO heavily

[keen kestrel]

the problem is that misty step and other related effects are just that strong in dnd

[fossil hollow]

Oh, you forgot Fae Ranger

[woven flint]

WOTC: I have an IDEA!

Asmodeus, probably: Yes, WOTC, make ANOTHER teleporting Subclass!

[keen kestrel]

Especially now, with how spellcasting is worded, if you get to cast misty step for free, you can still cast another spell in the same turn

[paper portal]

misty step isnt anything thaat amazing but maybe im too 5e pilled

[frail wasp]

teleporting is fun

misty step on paper isn't that useful, but when you hit situations where you need it, it sings

[keen kestrel]

misty step is very good, but mostly because repositioning is so strong in every single fight

[frail wasp]

especially in dungeons that think platforming should be a challenge, misty step says no

[paper portal]

just take echo knight 3 for unlimited teleports of course :3

[keen kestrel]

heck, most martials want it because it just gives them free ways to catch or block enemies

[woven flint]

You are indeed correct!
Misty Step is not worth building a WHOLE SUBCLASS AROUND!

Stares with Vitriol and disgust at Archfey Warlock

[frail wasp]

echo knight is a meme

[fossil hollow]

Fae Wanderer be like:

[keen kestrel]

tbh, I love it, but it just fits so well and makes it feel very fun

[paper portal]

they should make a pass without trace subclass im sure that would be balanced

[keen kestrel]

but archfey warlock should probably be the only one tbh

[woven flint]

Yes.
Honestly
I'd prefer that over Archfey Warlock

[keen kestrel]

Archfey warlock with potb is quite possibly the most fun warlock in 2024

[woven flint]

Actually, yeah, I agree with that a bit more

[keen kestrel]

It just makes sense, given their lack of spell slots and the contract with some tricky fae, that they can just teleport all over the place and cause things to happen

[woven flint]

Archfey Warlock has potential to be REALLY special
Especially as a Gish

[keen kestrel]

for real, it's boring to just play a trickster who teleports and casts eldritch blast

but a trickster who stabs at enemies? that's hilarious

[woven flint]

Can we all be honest?
If youre not playing a Gish with Archfey Warlock...
Why are you playing Archfey Warlock?
/Half-Joking

[paper portal]

make it only archfey warlock but give them the recharge conjuration wizard has cus thats cool as hell

with pact slots instead conjuration spells ofc

[broken imp]

me when i play as warlock...

[keen kestrel]

I do think it's fine to let them get it multiple times a day

[woven flint]

Wings, have you looked at any new (2024) stuff at all by chance? (Out of curiosity)

[keen kestrel]

for what it's worth, archfey can misty step charisma times per long rest

[paper portal]

yeah i just think the idea of features that recharge when you cast a spell is awesome

[woven flint]

I MIGHT be a SUPER FREAK
but I feel GOOlock had a Gloo up

[keen kestrel]

the real question is why they reprinted celestial warlock and left it being garbage

[paper portal]

yeah enough to decide i didnt like it

[broken imp]

and elfs get 4h long rest

[woven flint]

Thats fair, in all honesty
Some new things do stink a bit

[paper portal]

join the dark side come back to 5e

[woven flint]

Like Wildfire and Dreams Druid not being updated... YET

[keen kestrel]

also, archfey can cast misty step as part of casting an illusion or enchantment spell at level 14, and this doesn't count against the other ones they can cast per long rest

[woven flint]

I loved my Wildfire Druid

He became a Druid God at the end of that campaign

His main domain was CHANGE natural and unnatural

He was a Wildfire Druid for a lot of thematic reasons

[keen kestrel]

ngl, I don't like spellfire sorcerer, I wish they had just updated divine soul

[paper portal]

i like druids cus they have cool spells and are good at multiclassing :3

[keen kestrel]

and celestial warlock is so bad

[broken imp]

fr like it's so nice

[woven flint]

I'm partial to new Celestial Warlock, but that's because I found a way to enjoy playing one lol

[broken imp]

my friend decided to play it because he thought it sounded strong

[keen kestrel]

They changed almost nothing, and it just doesn't feel great (I'm playing one and it feels terrible, but eh)

[woven flint]

Try mixing Tomelock and Bladelock on a Celestial Warlock, it's actually kinda fire

[keen kestrel]

I'm kind of locked in at this point, sadly did pact of the familiar (we're still playing by 5e rules in that campaign, though we'll change to 2024 for the next one)

But I'll either be playing a noble genie paladin or a draconic sorcerer

[woven flint]

My Celestial Warlock actually made a deal with a fiend once.

He Sacrificed 500 years of his lifespan.
But it was for the sake of helping his people in the future (He's a Drow)
He's 719 years old now because of it😭

Not like PACT deal
But "help me with something and I'll give you something in return".

[keen kestrel]

i wanna play every sorcerer (except spellfire and wild magic), but I dont' have time for that many campaigns

[limber trail]

You make a lot of deals with fiends

[keen kestrel]

He really does

[limber trail]

When are you gonna wrap get it over with and play a fiend warlock

[woven flint]

I have in the past.

He defeated his Patron and was turned into a divine soul sorcerer by some deities that liked his style

His name was K'ura, he was an Aaracokra Raven/Crow fella

[keen kestrel]

I had the same thing happen to a GOOlock I was playing (character got murdered for blowing up a library, he was an aasimar and apparently his ancestor needed him for something)