dnd-discussion

[halcyon forum]

I just crit as a barbarian for 67 damage, truly one of the turns of all time

[rough basalt]

The new team can do something really funny

[buoyant oar]

But hey The Realmspace supplement gave us one of the most twisted thing TSR ever devised.

The Batship

[knotty vine]

since dnd rounds down not up

[woven flint]

... 6 7

[rough basalt]

And that's make a Spelljammer: the Actual Adventures in Space

[knotty vine]

s, resistance can reduce damage to 0 in many game systems, most notably D&D 5e, where damage is halved and fractions are rounded down, meaning 1 point of damage becomes 0

[crimson gulch]

Running the Spelljammer Campaign light of Xarxys was fun

[real wagon]

Question, what is the difference between a lawful evil and lawful neutral? I;m trying to make a paladin that follows his religion to the extreme, order above all else. If his religion's concept of order does not fit, it is heretical and must be destroyed. But he is not doing it for selfish gain but rather his own sense of moral duty

is that LN or LE

[rough basalt]

LN

[woven flint]

Lawful Neutral typically follow their own set of rules

Whereas, Lawful Evil exploits law for evil purposes

[buoyant oar]

The Batship is a sentient spelljammijg vessel that attacks other ships in the sea of night.

The Batship has a crew of one. The Helm can only be reached via a wish spell at which point the spelljammer takes over your body and keeps you alive as it tortures you indefinitely until someone from the outside casts wish

[still plover]

Mark your bingo cards!

[knotty vine]

no one escapes the law!

[woven flint]

Alignment talk! Yippie!

[glossy otter]

Lawful evil is exploiting the law for selfish gain or having a personal set of morals. LN is more an adherence to a personal set of laws or being completely law abiding

[rough basalt]

Ooo that's terrifying

[knotty vine]

the aliment system is flawed

[glossy otter]

Ah dang, I forgot mine at home. Haven't had a moment to use it in a while XD

[real wagon]

hmm define evil tho? LIke, his religion essentially says that there is only one true god, and all other dieties must perish. So he litterally kills any other religion or those involved with other religions without mercy

[buoyant oar]

And since the Batship has no magical lights and looks like a giant bat. You don't see it until it strikes.

[woven flint]

As has been said ad infinum, yes

[minor cargo]

I agree. We need to update the Ailment System. We need universal healthcare. 😤

[rough basalt]

Then Evil

[woven flint]

That's not Lawful aligned at all lmao

[real wagon]

so he is chaotic evil?

[rough basalt]

Neutral or Chaotic Evil

[real wagon]

I mean he is strictly following the laws of his own religion

[knotty vine]

hes evil something

[woven flint]

Brainwashed Evil as hell individual

[rough basalt]

I mean Bhaalists and Cyricists follow their religion when they disembowel people. Doesn't make it lawful.

Tho Bhaal hates senseless murder. He likes murder with flavor. Pizzazz.

[glossy otter]

Ironically evil is one of those things that cannot be truly defined- sorry, philosophy thinking lol

[knotty vine]

i also like pizza

[rough basalt]

I'm hungry

[woven flint]

Yeah, but slaughtering people based on their religion is.. definetly not a Lawful thing

[glossy otter]

If only my college cafeteria wasn't closed lol

[real wagon]

okay, more context is needed I think. This is a oath of devotion paladin based on the Tarnished from the Lands Between (Elden Ring) prior to their return. So this dude follows the concepts of the Golden Order, that Order must prevail above all else. Including the Law of Regression and Law of Causality, Queen Marika, the Elden Ring, and the Greater Will are the only true gods, and all other dieties are heretics. Also impurities like monsters must also perish, and all undead are also heretics

[vivid pelican]

Anyone wanna play my hunting campaign?

[real wagon]

But the Golden Order was established to create the perfect utopia, an existence where there is no death or loss

[glossy otter]

Getting space marine vibes which those guys are def LE

[buoyant oar]

stands up

Alignment is fine. And has been fine as is for the majority of its existence. Misgivings about alignment are 90% Bad DM issues or players who chafe at consequences.

[real wagon]

so whats the alignmentn here

[woven flint]

I dunno
It's definitely not good for certain

[real wagon]

is good or evil in dnd defined by social norms or the belief of onesself

[knotty vine]

when tasha was only a girl was she a magical girl

[glossy otter]

Technically social norms

[real wagon]

like if I think I'm doing the right thing, but everyone else thinks Im doing evil thing, am I evil alligned or good alligned

So DnD is strictly utilitarian?

[woven flint]

Alignment is a scam

[glossy otter]

Honestly it really depends on how the dm portrays all of it

[woven flint]

What.

[iron cosmos]

Yo

[rugged hawk]

Thay and drow culture are both prime examples of how society's opinion means nothing, alignment-wise.

[flat monolith]

Personally I would argue that an evil alignment is that one activity hurts those they consider part of the out group while good helps those as part of the out group

[iron cosmos]

Hi I just joined the server

[woven flint]

Hello

[real wagon]

so dnd is racist

[flat monolith]

What?

[buoyant oar]

Lawful Good (LG). Lawful Good creatures endeavor to do the right thing as expected by society. Someone who fights injustice and protects the innocent without hesitation is probably Lawful Good.

[woven flint]

... No?

[iron cosmos]

I bought Hasbro dnd after watching minaxed who else watched minmaxed(the thing with tater the bard. JackZwipper sell sword arts and more)

[rugged hawk]

This only works in a normal society, though. In Drow culture, you're expected to murder and betray. That doesn't make you Lawful Good

[glossy otter]

Eh, im just thinking social norms of either the table and or non evil psycho factions lol

[real wagon]

but like, what if "injustice" is heretics from other gods, and they are protecting the citizens of "the golden order" by killing everyone else

in their opinoin

[buoyant oar]

Which Drow culture?

[glossy otter]

Thatd fall under evil as you're slaying "non believers"

[real wagon]

its evil if its done to my group, its good if it hurts other group...

[rough basalt]

I'm assuming they mean Udadrow or whatever the Menzo drow are called

[iron cosmos]

What is y'alls favorite class dnd

[real wagon]

so lawful evil?

[glossy otter]

Ye imo

[real wagon]

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[woven flint]

That doesn't mean it's racist?

[glossy otter]

Theyre all the same to me
glares at them

[real wagon]

"Lawful Evil creatures methodically take what they want within the limits of a code of tradition, loyalty, or order. An aristocrat exploiting citizens while scheming for power is probably Lawful Evil."

But the dude ain't selfish at all. He sacrifices everything for the sake of paradise, the Golden Order

[rugged hawk]

Just because your god wants you to sacrifice innocent paladins of Lathander and you do so, doesn't make you Lawful Good for obeying your god.

[buoyant oar]

And right above the alignment definitions it says.

The summaries of the alignments below describe the typical behavior of a creature with that alignment; individuals can vary from that behavior

[real wagon]

no, but is it LN or LE

[rugged hawk]

LE, obviously

[iron cosmos]

What are yall talking about

[real wagon]

hmm alr

[woven flint]

It's a selfish act because it's hurting others due to your beliefs.

[rough basalt]

Whether genocide is neutral or evil (idk why it's being debated)

[steady sentinel]

Sounds like CE to me ngl

[rugged hawk]

Evil gods are evil for a reason. If you're obeying them, you're at least neutral by default. There's a good reason clerics at least used have to be within one alignment step of their deity.

[fossil hollow]

thats literally machiavelli

[iron cosmos]

Genocide is evil because you are killing innocent people

[real wagon]

hmm okay fair point

[glossy otter]

Eh, CE is more just the act of hurting someone purely for it or without any care of who gets hurt. No moral at all

[real wagon]

yeah then LE

[buoyant oar]

The Rules Glossary states.

A creature’s alignment broadly describes its ethical attitudes and ideals. Alignment is a combination of two factors: one identifies morality (good, evil, or neutral), and the other describes attitudes toward order (lawful, chaotic, or neutral).

[rugged hawk]

Voldemort's a good example of CE

[glossy otter]

It's all a matter of selfless vs selfish and do they adhere to morals

[fossil hollow]

Order at any cost is typically on the LE spectrum

[iron cosmos]

Ya but the people never asked to get I to the war for example if a war starts 2 armys fight 1 goes and kills the citizens of the city they didn't have anything to do with it they just were living a life before there country got them killed

[real wagon]

would you consider paladins to be intimidating?

[iron cosmos]

In dnd

[fossil hollow]

Pick up Intimidation proficiency sure

[woven flint]

I should play more Evil characters
I like to think I have an understanding of how to play them

[woven flint]

They most definetly can be

[glossy otter]

In a lot of cases. Depends on proficiency and subclass

[rugged hawk]

Paladins are naturally intimidating (because they're invariably always in disagreement with my cultists)

[glossy otter]

I just play an evil dm XD

[iron cosmos]

My favorite character is a Dragonborn named dregron

He is a paladin

[real wagon]

I have survival, perception, insight, athletics, and religion. Oath of Devotion LE Elden Ring inspired paladin

Should I replace one for intimidation

[woven flint]

I have a Minotaur Death Cleric of Baphomet sitting around waiting to be freed as a character o mine

[fossil hollow]

Your pick man

[rugged hawk]

That's easy, hide caltrops in any unworn shoes.

[glossy otter]

Why try to inflict suffering that contradicts the plot when you can inflict it on the characters for the plot

[buoyant oar]

Wars have rules. If you are part of an invading army. And you kill civilians you more than likely violated rules of war.

[rough basalt]

I have my own murderhobo "paladin" sitting around as well

[iron cosmos]

I rolled a nat d 20 bro and I can use a power boost that came with being a paladin to boost it to a nat d 30 should i

[rough basalt]

She's actually a zealot barbarian but she dresses sort of like a nun.

[flat monolith]

Maybe survival as that can be a hit or miss skill

[fossil hollow]

now im reminded of Clarisse from e7 and that new Ultrakill-like game with the crazy nun

[real wagon]

how so

[woven flint]

I've actually played a Chaotic Evil character once.
He was under a circumstantial agreeance forced upon him by divine beings where he couldn't hurt the party or communicate with his Deity (Malar) until he solved problems going on in the hells

[rough basalt]

Oh yeah seen gameplay of it from the devs twitter

[flat monolith]

Some dm won’t ever bring it up but if you need it it can be very useful

[rough basalt]

My first PC had a stint in evil

Was tragic evil. Very fun.

[iron cosmos]

I rolled a nat d 20 bro and I can use a power boost that came with being a paladin to boost it to a nat d 30 should i

[real wagon]

what about religion? Its about knowledge of other relgions as well right

[glossy otter]

Ah, reminds me of a CE necromancer fairy I played. In truth he wasn't really evil, he just didn't care whos graves he desecrated for bodies

[flat monolith]

Yep

[woven flint]

They threatened to eradicate his being.
So, he resorted to being a snarky ass to the party members and telling them that they were less than their beastial ancestors
(He was a Moon Druid)

[fossil hollow]

Generally, skills are as useful as you and your DM make em

[real wagon]

hmmm true

[harsh hinge]

That's not a thing in the rules, so it'd be impossible for us to suggest using it or not as we don't know what the effect would be.

[rough basalt]

My Zealot barbarian is brainwashed evil.

[fossil hollow]

The best way to start making skills more useful is to find more ways to use them

[rugged hawk]

How are you dessicating a grave?

[iron cosmos]

I can send a picture iameazorwing

[harsh hinge]

I'll pass, thank you.

[umbral girder]

This is fun to hear as a podcast I’m listening to has a similar thing.

[rough basalt]

One of my favorite parts about Necromancy in my world is one country legally allows it as long as the "mourning period" is over.

[iron cosmos]

So should i

[umbral girder]

An evil PC have to work with the heroic party because of their god (Malar)

[glossy otter]

A magic air fryer

[rough basalt]

You'll get random strangers at funerals shopping for their next assistant (this is actually frowned upon and will get you kicked out)

[iron cosmos]

I am fighting a boss should I up my d 20 roll to a d 30 with my paladin boost

[woven flint]

Malar is awesome, I love him

[fossil hollow]

did your DM approve it, firstly

[glossy otter]

But all this talk if alignment has me thinking. Is there someone called "The Good DM" running around

[iron cosmos]

Yes but should i

[fossil hollow]

dunno

roll a die or flip a coin

[rough basalt]

There's a lot of people who'd call themselves "the good dm" for various reasons.

[glossy otter]

I mean morally aligned XD

[rough basalt]

I'd imagine.

[woven flint]

"The Good-Aligned DM"

[rough basalt]

Oh yeah that's easy YT short farming right there

[fossil hollow]

Ive slowly been turning more towards LE when DMing

[rough basalt]

The good DM
"I don't crit my players I just fudge a miss if it happens"

[severe rampart]

LE?

[fossil hollow]

Lawful Evil

[woven flint]

You killed Ulderbug

Maybe you'll actually make challenging encounters /teasing

[severe rampart]

The Good DM

I don't fireball my party when they're all grouped up in one corner

[fossil hollow]

funny you say that when Horizon drew the skull card

[woven flint]

Though, Ulderbug died due to Gooses miscalculation/misplay

[fossil hollow]

Grim Champion time

[rough basalt]

Alright.
Ima do a Spelljammer game using ME for inspiration.

[glossy otter]

Huh

[woven flint]

Oh yeah, is it still gonna be a Scenario where he has to 1v1 the Avatar of Death or we each get one if we try to fight it?

[fossil hollow]

:)

[rough basalt]

Was talked about earlier.

[glossy otter]

Ah

[rough basalt]

Before the genocide talk we hit the daily WotC lazy bingo card with the tried and true spelljammer 5e

[glossy otter]

So that's why that convo was going

[rough basalt]

Yeah I wanted to run spelljammer but I was throwing a fit cause WotC lazy

[woven flint]

I was like
"Its okay, if William dies ill revive him!"
But then I saw;
A creature slain by an avatar of death can't be restored to life.

[glossy otter]

Ngl in the future im heavily tempted to do a ravenloft campaign that isn't curse of strahd

[rough basalt]

Do Lamordia

And make sure the martials don't have magic weapons yet

[glossy otter]

That was the one I was looking at ironically XD

[woven flint]

Look into the Dread Lord
Draga Salt-Biter...
You'd have to homebrew in a 5e statblock though

[rough basalt]

Rustys need to eat too

[glossy otter]

Though it makes me think, old or new Lamordia

[fossil hollow]

Cyre 1313

[rough basalt]

I'm hoping the new Ravenloft book does a good job on expanding the original

[woven flint]

Speaking of Cyre

What am I gonna have to do to repair the docent so it can speak to me?

[glossy otter]

I have a feeling it'll encompass both old and new since Sithicus looks like it's in the roster

[rough basalt]

Van Richten getting a new statblock

[glossy otter]

Maybe ill do there instead lol

I just pray nobody plays an elf XD

[fossil hollow]

"You will die in short order, after all, there's no value in sparing you. The world is an inherently unfair place."

[rough basalt]

Do a game in the Sorcerer-King domain with a party of all not halflings

[fossil hollow]

Hafta see, but i will say it does need

[woven flint]

Oh god, it's not an EVIL docent, is it? /joking

[glossy otter]

Any domains we're hoping get a comeback?

[fossil hollow]

show me your motivation

[woven flint]

Sentry beating the shit outta every enemy he encounters:

[rough basalt]

I wish i had some of that motivation

[wispy vector]

Reanimate them as an undead ;D

[woven flint]

Sorry, Artanza wouldn't do that even of he's a Cleric that doesn't really mind undead
He feels like it violates the sanctity of rest and he knew that person in life for a few days so far lol

[wispy vector]

I mean assuming they wouldn't be a mindless undead, you could just ask them if they're fine with being undead and just kill them if they don't like it.

[fossil hollow]

"there will be no such second chances here"

[glossy otter]

Dang it, now you guys have me scheming a Sithicus campaign lol

[severe rampart]

I gotta get desensitized to killing my players holy

[rugged hawk]

Wipe them out. All of them.

[severe rampart]

I tpked them 2 sessions ago

[rough basalt]

I haven't killed a PC in awhile.

[severe rampart]

It's one of my players' birthday today, and there's a... teeny tiny chance... he's gonna die

[rough basalt]

A good birthday present

[tender fossil]

So switching to a ghost walk campaign?

[rough basalt]

Remember the only good PC is a dead PC /j

[bronze canopy]

I have a player who I just messaged today to remind him that his character might die if he picks a 1v1 fight with a pirate. Said pirate managed to escape getting killed a few times by taunting the character and is not above cheating to win. Maybe they’ll realize they should’ve killed the pirate when they had the chance

[crimson gulch]

I killed another last night

[severe rampart]

I might kill one tonight, or more, I'm afraid of the latter

[crimson gulch]

dont fear it, embrace it

[severe rampart]

I just tpk'ed them two sessions ago 😭

but I have informed them to create backup characters

9 hours before a session, how shall I spend it

[rugged hawk]

writing fanfics of TPKs

[crimson gulch]

I created a backup campaign listing in case i TPk one of my online parties

[rough basalt]

My tpk plans for my current campaign are very reverse Dantes inferno

If the party is willing.

[iron cosmos]

Yo yall I was in a campaign today what do yall prefer a sorcerer, warlock, wizard, or alchemist? We had an argument about that todat

[turbid pagoda]

@halcyon tundra hey for some reason it’s not letting me send messages but yes I am looking for a campaign 🙂

[keen kestrel]

I’ll let you take a wild guess which one I prefer

[iron cosmos]

Sorcerer

[stable carbon]

hello can someone tell my why i can't post in looking for dm or players channels

[keen kestrel]

That’s weird, who could’ve guessed

[stable carbon]

new here

[keen kestrel]

But yeh, I love sorcerers

[stable carbon]

Yeah but i'm new to all this

[iron cosmos]

I am a good dm

[stable carbon]

sure as long as your patient with me i'm still trying to learn

[iron cosmos]

I am extremely patient

[minor cargo]

Check out the instructions on #find-a-game ✌️ Good luck!

[iron cosmos]

Or should i

Huebert what do you want me to help you with

[fresh bloom]

It's common practice to give certain effects to characters with low attributes; for example, a Kobold warrior I created has low intelligence, so he speaks in the third person

What more mischievous and chaotic way of speaking could a goblin bard do, doing whatever she finds most fun?

[wispy vector]

I just found a niche use for 5e2014 Transmutation Wizard.
If you have a cleric or can get your hands on the Ceremony spell, you can transmute an endless amount of silver for an endless (limited by spell slots) amount of holy water.

[glass granite]

Wahzzup

[iron cosmos]

Sup

[turbid pagoda]

I am new but looking for a campaign!

[glass granite]

Make a post in #looking-for-players

Yall can check out #find-a-game for information on how to find a group online. To make a post, type the appropriate command in any chat channel. There’s also DnD beyond forums, reddit or roll 20.

[knotty vine]

you know hold the sword of truth and justice

[buoyant oar]

That's cool that Wizards of the Coast is announced collaboration with Luke gygax on grayhawk products. 👍

[rough basalt]

Is it?

I don't know of Luke that well.

[buoyant oar]

Luke gigax is not the bigoted one

[reef tundra]

It was Gary, wasn’t it?

[buoyant oar]

The bigoted one passed away I believe last year and his name was Ernie

[rough basalt]

Ah I see.

[reef tundra]

Ah, Ernie

[buoyant oar]

Gary was their father who passed away 18 years ago Gary is the one who created the game

[reef tundra]

I know that, but I heard of some other things about him so I wasn’t sure

[buoyant oar]

Gary gygax had opinions that are uncouth in today's society and they were so at the time as well. His son Ernie, who was the older of the two children shared a lot of those views. Luke does not share those views as far as I'm aware, he's the founder of garycon which is going on right now

[reef tundra]

I’ve seen so many celebrities/famous people turn out to be the devil at this point I’m always half expecting it at this point

[rugged hawk]

Look on the bright side: it's only a short matter of time before one of them does something irreversible and we have no problems anymore.

[reef tundra]

True, everyone shows their true colours eventually

[buoyant oar]

Luke gygax is one of the few remaining connections to the original ideals of grayhawk the setting. It would be like getting Ed Greenwood to work on the Forgotten Realms in an official capacity again. There are very few people who know the inner workings of the greyhawk setting more than luke gygax

[rough basalt]

From what I read he tries to embody the legacy of what his father did right which makes me look forward to his Greyhawk stuff.

[buoyant oar]

It's precisely why I love the Garycon convention

It's much smaller than things like gencon or pax unplugged. But it embodies that early feeling of D&D and TT RPGs as a whole. If you want to meet the people who made the game what it is today, you're going to have more look at that convention than any other one in the world.

[rugged hawk]

Aye, and with technology's reach and scope expanding exponentially, it's merely a small matter of time before a screwup ruins everything once and for all, and then we're done with this nonsense.

[prisma dawn]

looking for 3 players to join my campaign anyone who wants to join please DM me looking for people who are open minded and fine with some chaos

[buoyant oar]

#looking-for-players

[paper portal]

morning catters

[prisma dawn]

ty

[severe rampart]

Morning collector

[paper portal]

yup thats me i be collecting

[rugged hawk]

Are there any known planes of balance and/or paradox? Like, say, a demiplane between Law and Chaos, perhaps?

[reef tundra]

Arcadia, lawful incarnate

Oh wait

Misread, my b

[buoyant oar]

There is a plane between Law and Chaos and Good and Evil.

[rugged hawk]

I mean other than Sigil and the Prime

[buoyant oar]

The official name is the Concordant Opposition, or the Outlands

[rugged hawk]

Pretty sure the neutral point there is Sigil itself, though

[uncut zenith]

Yeah, Sigil is relatively unaligned

It’s the literal center of the multiverse

[rough basalt]

Sigil is a place where a Deva and a Cambion play cards and share a pizza.

[viral kraken]

i always want to call it Sigil, but it is pronounced Sigil, not Sigil

[rugged hawk]

It would be ideal if it wasn't the Lady of Pain's domain

[reef tundra]

Oh damn I’ve always been pronouncing it Sigil instead of Sigil

[limber trail]

...You don't want to know how I've been pronouncing it

[reef tundra]

Tell us

[limber trail]

...
Sigil

[reef tundra]

You mad man

You maniac

My husband trembles at such a feat

[stiff rock]

if this entire conversation isn't a joke, is it pronounced sigil or sijil?

[rugged hawk]

Yes

[reef tundra]

Correct

[viral kraken]

"We can excuse the fact that you slaughtered two yugoloths before you realized where you were, outsider, but you pronounced the name of our fair city 'Sijil.' not 'Sigil,' and there can be no excuse for that!"
— Rastina Tollin of the Guvners

[stiff rock]

right lol

[reef tundra]

… I’ve been pronouncing it wrong this whole time

[rugged hawk]

You've probably been saying JIF too, I bet /s

[viral kraken]

oh no! i did up from like 2000 something until sometime during the pandemic if that helps

[severe rampart]

Wait

you've been pronouncing "sigil" as in "sigil" like "Seagull?"

[lavish flame]

Si-gull

[severe rampart]

And I thought pronouncing "Zarovich" like "Zerovik" was weird

[woven flint]

The Arcanaloth Shopkeeper in Sigil is a pretty chill guy

My Drow Warlock, Sovis, is friends with the fella
Not because Sovis is evil, but he's been living in Sigil for a hundred or so years after escaping Menzo

[reef tundra]

I’ve been pronouncing it as sijul, because that’s how the symbol synonym is pronounced 😭

[severe rampart]

that's how I pronounce it

[woven flint]

And you might as well be friends with everyone you can there. Probably makes life easier!

[river vector]

"Zah - Row - Vich?"

[woven flint]

It's like how Oreth is actually pronounced "Oith" like Bugs Bunny saying Earth

[severe rampart]

Zah Row Vich is the standard pronounciation, I pronounce it like

"Ze - Ro - Vick"

[reef tundra]

I like the Vich sound more

Damn you, English language

[severe rampart]

I pronounce it vick, because I like it

[reef tundra]

Fair

[flint ledge]

I swear as much as I love dnd, sometimes it's exhausting

[reef tundra]

I think all of my problems about it stem from online

[severe rampart]

how do you mean?

[reef tundra]

Sometimes I think if I never joined this server or any other dnd server I would be much much happier

Although my total amount of love has never lessened

[woven flint]

I just don't let the internet affect my mental health tbh
Its better to just go with the flow or just.. block and ignore people that cause trouble

[flint ledge]

Basically sometimes players can be exhausting

[severe rampart]

ah, true that

the second oneshot I hosted nearly killed my passion for DMing altogether

but now I'm hosting a campaign

[reef tundra]

I wouldn’t say it’s actively made it worse, it’s just put little voices in my head

Every time I homebrew an ability that buffs Spellcasting I get a little “you’re making the divide worse” whisper in my ear or whenever I give a monster a powerful melee option I hear a “you’re making melee worse”

But I still ignore them, and I still love the game

[paper portal]

honestly the martial caster divide is only a big deal when youre at high optimization levels

[reef tundra]

Exactly. I’ve played the game for five years, and even in tier 4 I never saw a divide

But anyway let’s not accidentally invite someone to debate it

[flint ledge]

Yeah I just had a late session and my players were just... A little ugh

[drifting fjord]

I think casters are fun. I think martials are fun. I think druids and rogues are boring. But my opinion is only valid for me and that is one thing that makes the game cool.

[reef tundra]

Exactly! It’s all about subjective taste and opinion

I’ve got a complicated relationship with them

[potent vector]

ehhh, it's a lil more than that. It rly does depend on your table, but the main issues of the divide are:

• Martials have no AOE
• Spells let you DO things (No DM fiat if you can roll to even do anything, you just attempt to do it.)

[lavish flame]

I really wish martials got more/any AoE

[rough basalt]

Within reason yeah

I think it's important for there to be easier/simpler player options and why I didn't like '14 having strong and weak martials instead of just strong ones.

Could be a few more masteries in later books that act like small aoes.

Like a Windmill and all targets within 5ft make dex saves or take your weapon damage.

[lavish flame]

I like stuff like Astral Monk's Arms doing burst damage. I figure we can get more stuff like that

[rough basalt]

I thought cleave was bad but barb in my Wednesday game is changing my view of it.

[lavish flame]

Especially by the levels where a spellcaster can choose to leave this reality, I figure something like "slam the ground to do damage and knock prone" is reasonable as hell

[rough basalt]

Even tho one time I ruled it as autodamage cause I misremembered how cleave mastery worked

And players laptop broke mid session so he wasn't there to correct me the first time.

[rough basalt]

I think the issue is, people will want more and it'll eventually just be 4e again.

[lavish flame]

this is not an issue to me

[rough basalt]

And 4e while the most balanced combat of all dnd editions (Martials and Casters vs Psionics), it goes against 5e wanting to be easy to approach.

[lavish flame]

I'd like if martials had their own abilities they had to juggle like how spellcasters juggle spells

[rough basalt]

4e suiting up in the corner

[tawdry ivy]

Could an artificer sell their replicated magic items?

[rough basalt]

I mean the modern tabletop design motto is indeed.
DnD 4th edition fixes this.

[minor cargo]

Of course everyone's experience is different, but honestly? 4E IMO is probably the easiest edition of D&D to learn. Like I think, in general, it's even easier to learn (assuming no other experience) than 5E.

[rough basalt]

It's scary cause of all the powers you get but actually playing it was easy for me.

Tho I was a Psionic abuser.

A metaabuser

[lavish flame]

I think they could, but when the Artificer make a new item, the oldest item dissappears. This plan is short-term as the buyer would eventually stop buying from you, or alert local authorities about the scam you're pulling.

[rough basalt]

In 4e, Martials and Casters lived in harmony. Until the Psionics nation attacked

[minor cargo]

I honestly agree. This isn't backed up by mechanics, but just talking about vibes, I describe D&D 4E as "Wizards can break reality and time; Fighters can drink oceans and lift mountains."

[rough basalt]

Psionics can break reality and drink oceans

[minor cargo]

...well, yeah haha.

[rough basalt]

It is funny how Psionics are always broken in dnd

5e almost repeated history with Mystic

They broke the Psionic Cycle

New Psion class just feels like purple Wizard cause if they made it like traditional dnd psionics, it'd either be a complete mess or absolutely stomp every caster out of the water.

Except 4e. As much as you can meme psionics being better they were still considerably balanced by Psionic history standards.

[minor cargo]

I know this is more #homebrew but I have rough notes on my own psionic class. Basically you roll X d20s you for the day. You write down all results and then during play, you play them (almost like they were cards in your hand).

Everytime you succeed, keep it face up; if you fail, put it face down. At the end of the day, you count the difference. This is the price reality imposes on you for bending it too much. Details TBD on what that means, but that's where subclasses would likely come in.

[rough basalt]

That sounds really interesting!

You might wanna look at WoD Mage for inspiration on how reality can screw with you for bending it.

Cause their whole magic system is "don't try to break reality, it's got hands"

[minor cargo]

Serendipity.

A friend of mine is starting a new Mage campaign. 👀

[tender fossil]

As in the awakening or the Ascension?

[rough basalt]

It's the WoD system that interests me the most cause I like magic systems where the universe has consequences for you altering it.

And I like that the kicker is if you can make the collective average people believe people can cast fireballs, reality adjusts to believe people can cast fireballs so you can fireball without the universe punishing you.

[minor cargo]

Oh, I'm not actually well versed. I assume Mage referred to WOD, which wasn't different than Ascension or Awakening. I'm behind on messages but providing good vibes to a new game happening haha.

[rough basalt]

I'm not too well versed, I've mostly heard it secondhand but it and Shadowrun both have magic systems that can punish the caster for using magic.

Like God in Shadowrun getting tired of you altering reality so he smites you.

[minor cargo]

Wanna move to #non-dnd-topics ? Would like to talk more.

[rough basalt]

Nah I gotta get back to stuff but both systems could be good reference for making a magic system that has consequences

[minor cargo]

If ever you get an itch, totally tag me. ✌️

[undone rain]

Hmm i should make a samurai themed character

I like samurai armor ngl and ive made way too many knights

[karmic oyster]

Okay, what do people prefer:

Grim Dark Fantasy
Or
High Fantasy

Just trying to see what people genuinely like. You can also say a mix of both.

[hidden spindle]

Grim Dark High Fantasy~ But yeah, mostly grim.

[jolly canyon]

High Fantasy. Grim dark is just a cherry on top

[undone rain]

Hey so what does bahamut stand for, tried searchin but cant find much

[meager fractal]

happy battlemind noises

[lavish flame]

High Fantasy

[tulip anchor]

Are feats like Acrobatics, Animal Handler, etc. important to spellcasting or fights, alongside background?

[meager fractal]

they can be depending on how creative your GM/DM is feeling

[tulip anchor]

gotta be honest - need at least 1 session to understand this game better xd

[karmic oyster]

Cool beans

[scenic zinc]

https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/dnd/dmg-2024/lore-glossary#Bahamut

[tulip anchor]

or at least guide to understand it better

you can DM me if it's not a problem regarding explaining the game in general

[scenic zinc]

There's a ton of actual plays you can watch as well

Though you should understand that each table implements the game differently

[tulip anchor]

ok, but like I said - you can send into DMs, I won't mind xd

[meager fractal]

Uphold the highest ideals of honor and justice, be constantly vigilant against evil and oppose it on all fronts, protect the weak, liberate the oppressed, and defend just order.

[undone rain]

Sweeeeeet

Thats smth i can get behind

[still plover]

In most fights, skills are irrelevant.

[tulip anchor]

are they plot/lore revelant, then? or they're outside of battle relevant

[still plover]

Yeah.

[scenic zinc]

It depends on how a dm decides to set up an encounter.

To say they're always irrelevant during combat can be proven incorrect pretty easily. But the game is much more than combat, too.

Combat is only one of three pillars.

The other two being social and exploration.

[paper portal]

generally the only skills that are commonly relevant in combat are stealth and arcana (at least in 2014)

[tulip anchor]

I try to setup a game/understand it through having these mechanics:

Weapon and armor upgrade
Enchancements
Magic trinkets
Legendary items outside of weapons and armors
Map interaction (for example - Acrobatics are needed to access this part of map)

[spark elm]

I get invited into a dnd campaign, I spend days talking to the dm and making my character and talking to other players to figure out how my character will fit in, just for them to kick me and all ban me 30 minutes before the session

Wth 😭

[scenic zinc]

Again, that's highly dependent on the encounter a dm designs. 'Common' is not anything you can define past your own personal experiences.

[paper portal]

lmao??

[spark elm]

This has to be some top tier ragebait istg

[still plover]

Try watching a game or two. Plenty to stream.

[tulip anchor]

ok

[scenic zinc]

Maybe they're all avid cat fans and couldn't stand that you had no cat.

[meager fractal]

Did the DM just kick you or did they delete the entire server? Maybe try and get in touch with other players and see if it is worth tryna salvage the group. Sounds like you had some chemistry.

[jolly agate]

Aye, Does anyone know stuff about the Eberron setting?

[meager fractal]

I read the 3.5 settting book cover to cover does that count 😂 😂 😂

[lavish flame]

I eat, drink, and shit Eberron, whats up

[jolly agate]

Alr so. How Is the Dhampir situation there. Are there like vampire hunters and shi or are they just another race?

Because it's VERY different from Faerûn so I'm kinda confused

[plucky nebula]

would y'all happen to know how I can remove an owlbear asset set to map layer?

[meager fractal]

This touches on a spoilery part of the setting, but what is commonly known is thatone nation uses undead in their armies so I'd imagine the other nations would have countermeasures against undead. (And yeah that would include vampires / dhampirs)

In Karrnath you'd be tolerated. Other nations (and probably not Thrane) would be a big old DEPENDS.

[viral kraken]

doubleclick to work with locked assets

if you mean remove it from asset manager, you do that through asset manager

[lavish flame]

Given Karrnath's relative acceptance of Necromancy and Undeath, I figure they're a very uncommon species that you could find there, outside Karrnath your mileage will vary greatly. There are probably vampire hunters in the setting but thats definitely not common. Some nations may hate you (i think Thrane would), some may be neutral (Breland and Droaam have seen so many kinds of people), some may hold respect for you (Karrnath).

[plucky nebula]

im getting the outline but I dont have the options to do anything with it

[viral kraken]

are you the dm of that table? or room or whatever

[plucky nebula]

am not

[viral kraken]

oh ya dm probably needs to unlock it or remove it then

[plucky nebula]

goku is getting stuck in that tree until the dm notices it lol

[tulip anchor]

what is Unearthed Arcana?

[blazing canyon]

Hey, not sure where to ask this but is it ok if I make a post in #looking-for-players about a one-shot I intend to run for 2 - groups 10 players? or is it only for 'normal' games

[fossil hollow]

playtest material and also a magic item shop in the world of Greyhawk

[tulip anchor]

recommended guidebook, then?

[fossil hollow]

as long as its dnd

[fossil hollow]

what?

[tulip anchor]

what rulebook should I use for DnD - cause I thought Unearthed was just that

[meager fractal]

Player's Handbook

[fossil hollow]

Might be a better topic for #dnd-newcomers

[keen cave]

Thinking on making a steampunk type campaign, does that sound good?

[fossil hollow]

could be good. Cant say much else just from that

[craggy summit]

sounds good to me but that'd be a question better asked for your intended players

some people may like steampunk, some may not yk?

[fast latch]

A. Ask your Players and B. Personally, I’d love that campaign

[hidden spindle]

Sounds great!

[keen cave]

Alright well that is mostly positive remarks

I’m gonna post the ad now!

[small sand]

Imagine NPCs named Hunter and Gatherer lol

[paper portal]

kind of like mr stachio and mr piss

[fast latch]

I have an Italian PC now

Charlatan linked to the Fantasy Mafia named Lusci Fletcher

[paper portal]

one name is normal the other one is umm

[small sand]

I think it would be funny if it also like actually made sense. Like the NPCs were actually from a hunter-gatherer culture

[short brook]

Scientific name, right?

[fast latch]

Yep

From the scientific name of the Nightingale

[short brook]

Thats cool stuff

[fast latch]

Luscia Megasomething
That’s definitely wrong but it’s close

[short brook]

I had PC using the scientific name of a great white

[fast latch]

Homebrew sharkfolk race, or did your DM allow you to be Sauhaugin?

[calm prism]

Hello Nerevar

[short brook]

Triton flavored to be a shark-like

[fast latch]

Sick

[short brook]

Ya, she's awesome. Kind wish there was a way to get powerful build, but brawny isn't in 2024

[hidden summit]

Am I allowed to send invites on here??

[idle oar]

If it's for a D&D game/community server yes but only in the Looking For Game channels. See #rules

Also new users can't share links for a bit

[hidden summit]

For a DND campaign I created I don't have anything else to invite players for it?

[idle oar]

Okay go give #find-a-game a good read as it explains how to use our LFG channels

[hidden summit]

And I don't have much friends on discord I just made

It

[idle oar]

Also note that what this server means by D&D is that players can join and play using a character created from the free basic D&D rules or from official D&D books/materials. This is not a generic TTRPG server so don't go advertising not-D&D games here.

[hidden summit]

Does the dungeon of the mage work????

Mad mage I mean

[fossil hollow]

what about Dungeon of the Mad Mage?

(running it rn actually)

[hidden summit]

Would that one be okay?

[severe rampart]

Looks like you both Echo'd each others' words

[idle oar]

Dungeon of the Mad Mage is an official D&D adventure and assuming you're not doing wackadoddle changing how everything works in D&D, that would be D&D, yes.

[hidden summit]

Okay

[haughty glen]

the irony of ur name here in this instance

[severe rampart]

In multiple instances, yes

[hidden summit]

What would I have to do to get it started really???

[fossil hollow]

im not sure what youre asking there

[hidden summit]

Like how would I start a DND campaign if I wanted to or can I not do that on this??

Sorry I'm still learning discord and how it all works

[harsh hinge]

Games aren't hosted on this server. We talk about D&D and folks recruit folks to play (or otherwise search for others to game with).

[hidden summit]

Oh okay

[arctic roost]

hi everyone!!

[paper portal]

hiii

[arctic roost]

so it's 11:25 pm for me, and i wanted to ask something

what's something that genuinely pisses you off about d&d?

[paper portal]

oh boy

[arctic roost]

(5e / 5.5e specifically)

[idle oar]

Might want to check the server rules regarding trolling first before going too much further...

[paper portal]

i always forget i live in a super early timezone youre 14 hours behind me

australia #1!

[idle oar]

Cool but not on topic

[humble cairn]

People who come into the conversation saying any class/subclass is "the best/worst" without qualifying it. I find it almost always unhelpful and toxic because it turns people off of classes they would otherwise have had a lot of fun with and is super presumptuous about what and how everyone plays. There are many valid playstyles and that kind of attitude dismisses all of them except one.

[idle oar]

Things I dislike about D&D 5e rules: confusing rules regarding hiding and the invisibility condition that may apply.

That one I think could be better clarified IMO

[humble cairn]

Hiding and invisibility desperately needs Sage Advice, for sure.

[hidden spindle]

People not thinking for themselves and just playing the game by a build they found online

[lavish flame]

The quantity of people who play this game without having opened a book nor read even a page of rulestext.

[arctic roost]

for me it's that and the infamous "it's what my character would do" response to being rude / derailing a campaign.

like i understand that they're trying to be funny but that doesn't justify killing an npc because they're lactose intolerant

also i'm new to this server so i didn't realize you couldn't swear in here

[idle oar]

Speaking of failing to read the rules... /jk

Yeah we need to keep things appropriate for all ages

[arctic roost]

are you a moderator? not saying that to be rude or backchatty, i'm just curious

[idle oar]

Orange = moderator

[fossil hollow]

Orange is moderator aye

[arctic roost]

okay
so no singing "land down under" by men at work?

[umbral girder]

Isn’t that spam?

[idle oar]

It's not on topic - server rules say folks should generally stay on topic for the channel they are posting in

Obviously some tangents happen but yeah... try and keep things on topic.

[arctic roost]

alright thanks for telling me

here's a question: what do you guys think is the funnest level to play in d&d (in general, not just in a singular class)

[hidden spindle]

1st level

[paper portal]

probably 8

[arctic roost]

you really think? 1st always felt limiting to me

[severe rampart]

6-7

[hidden spindle]

What better than to fear the Giant Rat quest?

[paper portal]

yeah 1st gives you very few features especially if youre a martial

[hidden spindle]

It's also where half-caster and full casters are at the same level.

[arctic roost]

that's fair

things started to get really fun around 5 for me, but that might be because 6 is the highest level i've played.

[paper portal]

only in 2024

[lavish flame]

level 2 prolly. You have some survivability under your belt, you have a couple features (and maybe ur class' core features), but the adventures you go on are still all very low-stakes. Fixing problems with just ur character sheet isn't yet possible, so people do creative, often wacky shit to accomplish their goals.

[paper portal]

yeah 5 is where most characters get a big power boost, thats why a lot of people like it and the levels after it the most

[arctic roost]

cough uncanny dodge cough

[paper portal]

rogues benefit the least from level 5 tbh

extra attack, 3rd level spells and buffed cantrips are all really big

[arctic roost]

true, all they have to look forward to imo is uncanny dodge and the inevitability of getting an extra hit die

[knotty pasture]

As is the case with online (video) games, a common threshold of courtesy where everyone is pulling their weight to some degree by not griefing (includes making silly builds that would otherwise hinder the team if the campaign isn't just for messing around)

Time is precious in dnd sessions after all

[arctic roost]

yep

[lavish flame]

I loathe when people kneecap their character in a misguided effort to make their roleplaying stronger

[knotty pasture]

Yes exactly, its even more unforgivable to me than video games cuz with video games you can just report, leave game and join another server, but you can't really do that in dnd (you could but campaigns aren't a daily thing)

[arctic roost]

that really sucks when people do that

depresses me

[paper portal]

yes!!!

[fossil hollow]

flavor is always free too

[arctic roost]

here's another thing that makes me mad for a funnier reason: why do bugbears have nothing to do with bugs in terms of appearance?

[fossil hollow]

Its name is derived from the Middle English word "bugge" (a frightening thing), or perhaps the Old Welsh word bwg (evil spirit or goblin),[2] or Old Scots bogill (goblin), and cognates most probably English "bogeyman" and "bugaboo".

[lavish flame]

It was originally a frightening bear creature. The middle english word for something frightening was "Bugge". Other nearby languages have a similar prefix

[hidden spindle]

Bugge... like Boogieman?

[shy stirrup]

Yes

[lavish flame]

read Sora's message above mine

[fossil hollow]

Im the actual Ti 😭

[lavish flame]

actually wait is that Sora? who are you!

[fossil hollow]

Ti-Moth!

[lavish flame]

lmfaoooo

[paper portal]

i dont believe that for a second /silly

[hidden spindle]

Oh. Bogey~

[fossil hollow]

Identity fraud is not a joke

[woven flint]

No, That's the real Timothy Mothington

[fossil hollow]

where did i get Mothington 😭

[paper portal]

i think it should be timothy timothy

middle name timothy

[fossil hollow]

that- thats how i got my username yeah

Ti-Moth (y)

[paper portal]

no im saying the ti is from your first name timothy and the moth is from your last name timothy

[crimson gulch]

ahh another epic week of sessions in the bag

I get tommorow night off before im back at it for another 8 days straight

[fossil hollow]

finished a bday session of Waterdep myself

[crimson gulch]

Nice!

i nearly put another tick mark on the bottom of my marut tonight

[meager fractal]

Anyone having a good time at Garycon this year?

[fossil hollow]

im sorry, what

[crimson gulch]

i put tick marks on the bottom of miniatures that kill PC's

[meager fractal]

interesting

[fossil hollow]

... so what im hearing the dracotaur has one on the bottom

[crimson gulch]

2

[fossil hollow]

oh, wait, it got another kill?

[crimson gulch]

yeah, i use my great custom miniatures a lot

[meager fractal]

i wish i could get more games offline going so I could have traditions like that

[crimson gulch]

in person games rock

[woven flint]

People should just...
Stop trying to fight Maruts smh...

[fossil hollow]

believe me, if one drops at a table in mine or Urizt's table, its gonna happen

[crimson gulch]

yeah it was funny, they scouted a head, spotted it, nat 20 Arcana check so i told them waht it was about

and they said LETS ROLL

[fossil hollow]

mmm yes, automatic 120 damage to my face

[woven flint]

I mean, a Marut can be easy to Evade and allat, but you've gotta have a REAL good set up

[fossil hollow]

theres a reason why i havent used one yet

but once it drops, its there to rumble

[cerulean monolith]

Isnt that the monster you keep threatening me with if I try to destroy Blackrazor?

[fossil hollow]

... myesh

[crimson gulch]

180, i upgraded the stat block

[fossil hollow]

... ofc you did

[crimson gulch]

3 attacks or a blazing verdict and 1 attack

Auto pass all saves, Marut modded by duregar madman goes brrrrrrrrr

[fossil hollow]

ah, the good ol 2024 hit them harder

[fossil hollow]

greater magic resistance?

[crimson gulch]

Inevitable saves

locking eyes with the party, not rolling and just saying its passing every save

and auto hitting for 60 a pop

i put my dice away for the fight

[fossil hollow]

... i crave the marut fight now

[knotty vine]

ooooo thats a good idea

[humble cairn]

You have to rules lawyer maruts, not fight them.

[velvet dagger]

How do I go about finding a game to join its been awhile since ive been on here

[knotty vine]

thats a wonderful way of putting it

[frail wasp]

yes

[knotty vine]

yes

[humble cairn]

Correct, but you also get Advantage from them being Prone so you don't have to Reckless.

[knotty vine]

you have disadvantge with ranged attacks against prone targets

[limber trail]

Actually no, you have advantage on attacks within 5 ft of prone targets, and disadvantage on attacks further than 5ft of prone targets. So ranged attacks made within 5ft get advantage, and melee attacks with reach have disadvantage.

[knotty vine]

oh i was half right anyway

[hidden spindle]

I thought the straight roll was the attack from the enemy

[limber trail]

Don't plan for them, but I would still have a ranged weapon in case you need it

[knotty vine]

unless your using a weapon with reach

and theres only like.. 4ish of those

the whip only being a 1d4 is wild to me ngl

i prefer giant barbarian if i need to throw stuff

Mighty Impel is qutie fun

[serene jolt]

Smart people will use save spells or just get close and take advantage of that prone. 🤣 So the dis on ranged isn't usually a biggie. A lot of allies are fine (or happy) with that prone.

[limber trail]

You're within 5ft so you have advantage

I'm demonstrating some edge cases there, but greatswords within 5ft are fine

[knotty vine]

i prefer mauls

[limber trail]

You can read the Prone Condition which explains it more simply

[knotty vine]

they only cost around 10-15gp on average?

get out of the woods and go buy a maul

or find a weapon thats like a maul

[serene jolt]

That's why I love my PotB warlock. I'm mainly using shortbows but if I'm close enough and they prone him, and I really feel confident, I'll just... Conjure up a giant sword and smack it real hard.

PotB warlock just feels like a bada- sometimes xD

[severe rampart]

You made monetary transactions with a hag?

[knotty vine]

docter i cant tell if im not me

[severe rampart]

in the woods?

Chances are those potions have children in them 😔

better pray to your patron god for your party members, friend

[knotty vine]

arent hags know to be like

very evil people

second to that of liches

[severe rampart]

Nahh they're chill, I just saw them down at the soup kitchen the other day

[knotty vine]

if they even see an act of kindness they actively start dyin

by forelore at least

i still want a Baba yaga stat block

[humble cairn]

But ranged attacks made within 5ft of an enemy get Disadv so it would even out.

[knotty vine]

An attack roll against the creature has advantage if the attacker is within 5 feet of the creature. Otherwise, the attack roll has disadvantage.

[severe rampart]

What? I'm confused

[knotty vine]

thats proned

[humble cairn]

This is how the Prone Condition works.

[knotty vine]

so if your Just within 5ft it has advantage

Prone
A prone creature’s only movement option is to crawl, unless it stands up and thereby ends the condition.
The creature has disadvantage on attack rolls.
An attack roll against the creature has advantage if the attacker is within 5 feet of the creature. Otherwise, the attack roll has disadvantage.

[severe rampart]

So a point blank eldritch blast would have advantage?, I see

[knotty vine]

yea

[humble cairn]

No, it would be an even roll.

Since ranged atacks have Disadv for being within 5ft of an enemy.

[knotty vine]

oh right

unless you have spell sniper

[umbral girder]

No it’s a ranged attack

[humble cairn]

Unless you have Spell Sniper.

[severe rampart]

yeah exactly, that's why I was confused

[humble cairn]

Using a Reach melee weapon on a prone enemy from 10ft away would have Disadv.

[knotty vine]

btw if i was such a problem player why couldnt you talk to me about it directly

[severe rampart]

that thing that made it an even roll made it so where me and my party missed hitting an unconscious guy for 5 turns

[humble cairn]

People like to say Prone gives Adv to melee, but that's just shorthand.

[knotty vine]

it gives advantage in general

[humble cairn]

But only if you're within 5ft.

[limber trail]

Yes, it would, I was just explaining the specifics of the Prone Condition - other factors and sources of disadvantage of course factor in

Advantage within 5ft, Disadvantage outside of 5ft

[humble cairn]

Reach Topple weapons are annoying for this reason.

[knotty vine]

is there a reach topple weapon?

[humble cairn]

You knock them prone, great now you have Disadv to hit them.

Yes there is at least one.

[hidden spindle]

Lance I believe

[humble cairn]

Lance? Oh that's even worse.

[knotty vine]

wouldnt you use a lance on horse back?

or use that other thing i forgot what its called

[hidden spindle]

And its the only one

[knotty vine]

think id rather use a tridant

[severe rampart]

I let it go because it was just a oneshot, and since we ended so abruptly I couldn't really talk to you, and by then I've already cooled down, what you did wasn't good because the two of them with you were new players and I didn't want to ruin their experience

I was also a newer DM back then, so I didn't know how to confront you about the playing a game in the background while I'm DMing thing

[knotty vine]

playing a game in the background?

[severe rampart]

I did see a status in your profile show I think "League"?, while we were playing

[knotty vine]

i cant even play league

the anti cheat blocks my system so i ask now what did you think i was doing?

[severe rampart]

and since everytime I wanted to engage you in the story such as "Is your character doing anything in this room", and every time you'd respond with "no, he's just hanging around", the like so it felt like you were distracted as well

[knotty vine]

main reason cause i was paired with the other two who made the whole thing equally as insufferable but i thought it would be rude to leave

[severe rampart]

you also didn't help as much in combat if I remember correctly? you're not obligated to but it definitely made the other two struggle, especially with no healing spells

[knotty vine]

i wanst a healer cleric

[severe fox]

things are heating up in dnd it seems

[severe rampart]

They were new to the game, I understand that, but still, it was clearly outlined in the server that some members were newer to the game

[severe rampart]

That I did not know, but you could've told them that instead of saying something like "My healing doesn't deal with stupidity"

[knotty vine]

i said qutie a few times that i dont have healing spells

[limber trail]

Seems so

[knotty vine]

3 times in fact if you need a number

[severe rampart]

Pardon me if I don't remember the details, I think it was 3 weeks ago? 2-3

[knotty vine]

yet you still said i was the problem to my friend

well done

[limber trail]

Is this a productive conversation?

[severe rampart]

I don't believe so, as this is quickly becoming a personal problem between the two of us

if Tasha wishes to continue this further, my DMs are open, until then I will no longer talk about this

[severe fox]

yeesh

that could have went better

brutal almost

[humble cairn]

You really think so?

[severe fox]

its not nice to talk about someone who listening

[humble cairn]

What?

[severe fox]

or something along those lines

[severe rampart]

are you refering to me?

[severe fox]

undertale reference!

[humble cairn]

I mean it was very likely an off topic conversation, but hardly the roughest conversation ever. How do people ever learn to hash things out with each other if they avoid sharing feelings, especially the hurt ones?

[jolly agate]

How do u even get turned into a gnome

[humble cairn]

Are you talking about Bigby?

[hidden spindle]

Reincarnation Spell

[severe fox]

that one revive spell

[jolly agate]

Ye

[limber trail]

You don't want to know...

[frail wasp]

gnome ray, chaos trap while unlucky, polymorph spell, reincarnate spell

[severe rampart]

Yeah I mean, why avoid it?

[severe fox]

is there such thing a as a gnome ray?>

[frail wasp]

yes

[jolly agate]

Why is there such thing as a gnome ray?>

[limber trail]

Gnomes are humanoids and as such can't be transformed with polymorph, but they can be transformed with True polymorph or Shapechange

[severe fox]

does it do what its name sake impiles?

[severe rampart]

Dr Doofinshmirtz

[jolly agate]

Also, Is it permanent?

[limber trail]

I think you know why.

[jolly agate]

Why is it permanent

[severe fox]

gnome ray

[frail wasp]

ah right

[severe fox]

why would you ever need a gnome ray?

[jolly agate]

WHO THE HELL NEEDED THE CREATION OF A GNOME RAY😔

[severe fox]

i have no clue

are there other race rays?

[severe rampart]

wait knome, is that what happened to you

[limber trail]

I don't like to talk about it

It was an... imperfect enchantment

[knotty vine]

i aint hurt exactly just wanted to know if i was as much of a problem as im being told

[glass granite]

Don’t ask my why I’m named Nugget

[frail wasp]

D&D has a lot of weird "why does this exist" nonsense throughout its adventures >_>

[severe rampart]

Nugget ray...

[severe fox]

is that why im dolly?

[limber trail]

wait what are gnome rays even from? I'm not getting any hits for it online

[severe fox]

i think it was something we just made up

[severe rampart]

Dolly from the hit show rick and morty (Smiling Friends)

[severe fox]

i love rick and morty! i even bought the dnd book lol (whole reason i got into 5e)

[frail wasp]

its not actually called dthat, its a repurposed wand of wonder from some AD&D module that I cant remember the name of

[severe fox]

i know what your talking about!

[frail wasp]

and chaos traps aren't called chaos traps, uh ... i dont remember

they cause wild surges

[severe fox]

AD&D was so much fun

[jolly agate]

Getting back to the topic

@humble cairn bloody how did he even got turned into a gnome???

[severe fox]

i thought any edition of dnd was "on topic"

[limber trail]

It is, it's just focusing on Latrell's question

[humble cairn]

Shye said it, the Reincarnate spell.

[jolly agate]

Oooooohhhhh

[knotty vine]

Bigby died in a fight against the BBEG vecna and got reincarnated

[humble cairn]

If it's pre-5E then actually the channel for it is #dnd-elder-editions

[jolly agate]

That's some bad luck

at least he created a cool spell

[knotty vine]

not really a bunch of named wizard died in that fight

[jolly agate]

one of the coolest cuz cmon, a gigant hand

[knotty vine]

i think dont qutoe me on this mordenkaian was the only one that lived in the fight against vecna cause he ran away

[knotty pasture]

I should try dming for a one shot one of those days

[knotty vine]

im reading helina's guide part 2 and im loving it

[humble cairn]

I recommend Journeys Through the Radiant Citadel, the one shots in there have been fun for me so far.

[humble cairn]

Some of the spells are kinda shenanigans.

[severe rampart]

let me know if you do decide on that, would be fun to play 2014 rules again

[knotty vine]

i like the cooking bard rn

[humble cairn]

I don't think any of the subclasses were that interesting for me.

[knotty vine]

i reallay like this
Slow Cooking. You gain proficiency with medium armour, heavy armour, shields, and martial weapons. At the start of each of your turns, you gain temporary hit points equal to your proficiency bonus.

[humble cairn]

More indepth discussion of it probably should go in #third-party tbh

[frail wasp]

thats how i feel when i'm slow cooking mmhmm

[knotty vine]

steals your skin

[frail wasp]

nope, blocked by hit points

[knotty vine]

you can keep your hit points i just want your skin

[knotty pasture]

I was thinking of Fall of Elturel myself personally

[knotty vine]

i didnt know they were still making stuff for 2014?

[knotty pasture]

Something really simple where everything's set at level 1

[knotty vine]

weird

[humble cairn]

Sounds fun, I don't have experience with that one so I can't say.

[carmine iris]

Anyone running a session zero now?

[frail wasp]

like this very second? nope

[carmine iris]

Nah just here in the next couple of days

[limber trail]

I mean you can check out #looking-for-players and find games who are looking for players

[knotty vine]

whats the point of superiordark vision?

[frail wasp]

the number is bigger

bigger number is more fun

[real wagon]

Hey guys, I'm trying to pick between a paladin or a bard to play in this campaign that only lets me use the 5e 2014 versions. Is 5e 2014 paladin or 5e 2014 bard the better counterpart to their 5.5e version?

[frail wasp]

and sometimes you get to no-sell the DM with it

[limber trail]

What do you mean by superior darkvision?

[frail wasp]

the 120 foot darkvision some folks get

standard darkvision is 60 feet

[limber trail]

Oh well in that case the point seems pretty self evident - you get an extra 60ft range you can see in

[frail wasp]

yes the question is what's the point of that

[limber trail]

There's more stuff you can see

[frail wasp]

most dungeons aint that big

[limber trail]

I've seen some that are

It's come up quite a few times in gameplay, at least for me

[real wagon]

I'm gonna go ask a different channel

[hushed mason]

No, but the outside certainly is.

[hushed mason]

maybe try #character-discussion ?

[knotty vine]

i thought it would be like you can see in dim and darkness as if it were brightlight

[frail wasp]

thought you meant like what drow get

[prime basin]

Nah, its just extended darkvision

if your looking around in a dark area though, you don't have to roll disadvantage on something over something 60 ft away though

[umbral girder]

Good for setting up ambushes

[frail wasp]

well you do technically roll at disadvantage

[umbral girder]

See your enemy before they see you

[frail wasp]

dim light is disadvantage on perception checks to see things

[limber trail]

If you're trying to see something in darkness that's further than your darkvision range, you just can't see it

[frail wasp]

i actually cant think of the last time i seen a party set up an ambush :V

[lavish flame]

My only experience with 120ft of darkvision being relevant was in an underwater adventure, so thats a niche use case for it!

The party did not have anybody with 120ft of darkvision, but it would have been nice to have

[knotty vine]

-5 as well

then theres the twlight cleric with 300ft of darkvision for no reason

[feral fulcrum]

My group's done it twice. But they were basically big bosses that we knew were going to be in set-locations for a while in advance, so, plenty of time to prepare.

[frail wasp]

two campaigns ago was with a twilight cleric and the 300 ft darkvision came in handy multiple times, but in a meme way only where the DM was like
"over off in the distance it's very dark, you can't see anything"
"well, actually"

[lavish flame]

Yeah idk whats going on with that. Its more distance than is useful in most combat maps (where distances usually max out at only ~50 contiguous feet), but WAY less distance than would be helpful in overland exploration.

[prime basin]

sure

[prime basin]

You guys don't look out in the dark at things 300 ft away?

[feral fulcrum]

But how many people travel at night?

[prime basin]

its better than not having it

[lavish flame]

True. Tbh I was thinking about traveling in the Underdark when I wrote that

[knotty vine]

lmao

[limber trail]

I agree it's somewhat niche but I have 100% seen situations in actual campaign play where 300ft of darkvision can/would be useful

[prime basin]

Twilight clerics gotta make sure nobody is on the football field at night

[lavish flame]

Twilight Cleric 300ft of Darkvision would actually be pretty sweet in some of those Baldur's Gate 3 dungeons/subareas. That'd be great in The Underdark and The Shadowlands in that game.

[lavish flame]

Yeah, in some fairness thats incredibly useful for staving off encounters in the dead of night

[frail wasp]

its eye popping when you get ambushed with that darkvision range for the first time as a DM

[prime basin]

everyone has 3 levels of gloomstalker now

[knotty vine]

i wish i had dark vision irl cause i just wanna see what its like

[paper portal]

i wish i hard darkvision irl cus then id be able to see in the dark!

[hidden spindle]

I wouldn't want to see in monochrome in darkness

[frail wasp]

need some o that true sight

or maybe not

[severe fox]

Better then seeing nothing

[hidden spindle]

That's why I carry torches, lamps, or lanterns

[livid owl]

You technically do that anyways the way normal vision works, or at least color is reduced a lot in the dark

[severe rampart]

I feel so bad for my player 😭
Last session they got a nat 20 on poison spray, enemy was immune to poison
this session they got another nat 20 on poison spray, and rolled 2d12... for 3 damage...

[frail wasp]

oh is poison spray not a saving throw anymore?

[severe rampart]

nope

[limber trail]

That's rough

[frail wasp]

wild

[severe fox]

Remember don’t use poison kids

[chilly tusk]

its been so long since ive last played dnd and i really wanna get back into it. i dont really know where to start, and i may need to learn some things again because i have a poor memory 😭 and i also just have such a good character in my head but idk how to get it out there in a real game. anyone up to help me out?

maybe i should put this in newcomer-

[glass granite]

Firstly, don’t reveal your age (server rules and just cybersecurity for such a big server)
Second- yeah newcomers may be more fitting

[chilly tusk]

err

okay

[empty thicket]

at this point use Acid

its 1/4 cheaper than the most basic poison, dont have a Goodn`t DC save and its useful for situations

[frail wasp]

what

[empty thicket]

A vial of Acid is 25Gp, 2d6 acid damage and is useful against a lot of units
A vial of Basic poison is 100gp with a Dc save of 10 using const.
So....

[frail wasp]

oh, i think they were talking about the cantrip

[empty thicket]

fair

use True strike, deny distance

[karmic heath]

World tree
“Life-Giving Force. At the start of each of your turns while your Rage is active, you can choose another creature within 10 feet of yourself to gain Temporary Hit Points. To determine the number of Temporary Hit Points, roll a number of d6s equal to your Rage Damage bonus, and add them together. If any of these Temporary Hit Points remain when your Rage ends, they vanish”….so I can’t give myself temporary hp?

[hot reef]

Yep

“another”

[frail wasp]

you're not another creature ye

[karmic heath]

Dang

But makes sense

[hot reef]

Gonna need to find a twilight cleric

[empty thicket]

what it does that you need such specific class?

[frail wasp]

give unlimited temp hp

[empty thicket]

eh!? how so?

[frail wasp]

thats just how it be

idk its pretty potent

[hot reef]

At 2nd level, you can use your Channel Divinity to refresh your allies with soothing twilight.
As an action, you present your holy symbol, and a sphere of twilight emanates from you. The sphere is centered on you, has a 30-foot radius, and is filled with dim light. The sphere moves with you, and it lasts for 1 minute or until you are incapacitated or die. Whenever a creature (including you) ends its turn in the sphere, you can grant that creature one of these benefits:
You grant it temporary hit points equal to 1d6 plus your cleric level.
You end one effect on it causing it to be charmed or frightened.

[knotty vine]

very strong

[empty thicket]

Damn...so 1d6 + Cleric level (let say 11) every turn....

best scenario, 17Thp, worst 12thp

[frail wasp]

to every character

[empty thicket]

in a sphere of 30 F radius...

if it was smaller would make the problem of being to close and risking to some AOE attacks

10ft radius but change the 1d6 for 1d10

[wanton raft]

Cleric is best class for a reason

[candid cave]

I ripped out my character’s own spine to use it as a weapon

[wanton raft]

Wut?

[devout flume]

Oh that’s beautiful

I miss my swarmkeeper with ||bugs under her skin||

[burnt grove]

Okay Shino Abarame

[wanton raft]

A guding bolt a day keeps the undead away

[serene sigil]

How many people would realistically have magical abilities if those existed. In the sense that in many stories I hear, powers take years of one’s life to train.
Do you think everyone would know a little bit of magic? Or would it be few and far between?

[wanton raft]

Depends on magic system? D&D? It would be like half the population

Maybe not half but like more than a small minority

[devout flume]

Some people simply get born with magical capabilities and by some people I mean like every single elemental or tiefling ever

In a dnd system I mean

[wanton raft]

There's also just sooo many avenues to learn magic

[serene sigil]

I’m not sure, just general dnd campaigns I hear of will have an “exceptionally gifted” character, giving them enhanced magic

[hot reef]

Depends on setting/system

[serene sigil]

I just wanted to hear opinions, if magic was real and took years of study, I wonder how many folks would bother to learn it

[wanton raft]

High elves and drow too

[devout flume]

In dnd enough get magic as a racial bonus I think it’d be pretty common at least on the small scale. Bigger more powerful magic would have schools or smth

[hot reef]

For the average person, it may take several months or longer to learn a cantrip with the best education available in D&D

[wanton raft]

I could've played the most magic averse fighter and my char would still have magic

[wanton raft]

Some are also easier than others to learn

[serene sigil]

Imagine doing dishes with the wave of a hand

I wouldn’t have to touch yucky dish water

[hot reef]

Some people spend years studying much more trivial things
If magic was real people would certainly attempt to learn it

[devout flume]

Dude the amount of times that cantrip gets used all the time in the campaign I’m in rn LOL
I’m glad for it

“You’re not dirty anymore you no longer smell bad you look cleaner”

[serene sigil]

Cantrip is a cleaning spell?

I’m just getting into dnd

[wanton raft]

Like I don't think you need a 3 year course to learn thaumaturgy or prestigiditation (I hate spelling this)

[wanton raft]

It's a spell you can cast at any point without expending a spell slot

[hot reef]

In world? It could certainly take that long with how versatile prestidigitation is
It’s like 6+ cantrips in one

[serene sigil]

That’s a really fun spell actually

Oh, I see

[wanton raft]

True. Though I imagine it's more learning how to use it rather than how to do it

[devout flume]

There’s a cantrip that lets you do that. I believe prestidigitation ??

One of the hard to say ones

[serene sigil]

Waiting for college education to contact me back, so I figured playing dnd might be fun

[devout flume]

So true

[wanton raft]

Hard to spell too

[wanton raft]

If you're willing to fall down a rabbit hole of hyperfixation

I put off playing dnd for 3 years up till the past 2 months and now it's basically occupying my brain

[devout flume]

It’s 3 am I’m hoping my auto correct was right with it

[serene sigil]

I dropped the furry hyperfixation, I need something silly and new

[wanton raft]

D&D is a good one

[devout flume]

Real

I need to get into some shirt campaigns or one shots in the June/July season because. No larps. Too hot outside for larp. Nothing to do. I need to hit my fantasy quota or I shrivel up and die

[wanton raft]

D&D is silly till your level 3 character has 4 hp left and your party healer is charmed

[serene sigil]

I have a cool shirt as my pfp

[devout flume]

One day I will play my necromancer inspired by Gideon the ninth necromancers with skull paint
One day.

[wanton raft]

GIDEON THE NINTH MENTIONED!!!

[devout flume]

Have I decided on wizard or cleric? No! But that’s fine

I adore locked tomb :3c I have a sticker of it on my phone case

[wanton raft]

I'm getting into harrow next

[serene sigil]

I need a notebook for specifically dnd notes

[wanton raft]

wizard works well

[devout flume]

I know wizard allows for more minion controlling

That’s about all I know I haven’t. Looked into it much. I’m very focused on my cavalier fighter who does not have a horse rn LOL

She’s so dumb but,, so silly,,,

[serene sigil]

I have a 1/4th gizerai, 3/4 human character

[devout flume]

Wonderful

[wanton raft]

interesting

what class

[knotty pasture]

I imagine there'd be as many university students as there are magic users

Cuz being a Wizard is like going to university

[devout flume]

Every day I regret not making Trout a changeling just to make her entire bit more confusing. 8 intelligence, 18 strength. Mounted combat fighter with No Mount.

[severe fox]

i went to uni and it sucked

[devout flume]

Everyone in her village has a fish name. Her entire family is alive and well. She is just a girl

[serene sigil]

I don’t know what classes there are. The character uses magic based off emotion and telepathy kind of? Feeling their surroundings and putting into magic

[wanton raft]

I created Cobalt as a low strength cleric who had to wear heavy armor and get the penalties for the risk. Lasted me a bit till I got mithral

[devout flume]

Oh that’s wonderful

[wanton raft]

||(Do you have any idea how little that narrows it down?)|| Sorcerer probably then

[devout flume]

Very sorcerery

[knotty pasture]

Aberrant Mind Sorcerer?

[devout flume]

Swarmkeeper ranger is my favorite class and one day I will play one again
I adore them
Let me be a horrific entity

[knotty pasture]

Considering the Gith's relationship with Mind Flayers that makes it extra interesting

[wanton raft]

I almost wish I kept it. I did a stealth roll at disadvantage, rolled a nat one then turned invisible and left the party with the consequences

[burnt grove]

Hmm dreadnaught armorer blade singer… for attacking with intelligence.. Yay Sauron right?

[paper portal]

erm swarmkeeper is a subclass :3

[serene sigil]

I do not play dnd, I only am just getting into it. I imagine it doesn’t narrow things down much lol

[wanton raft]

Is the ranger class still good?

[devout flume]

You know what I mean…….

[knotty pasture]

Always has been

Well tbh I think the best aspects of Ranger got worst and the worst aspects of Ranger got better

[paper portal]

tbh they did it pretty dirty in 24 but it still works fine

[burnt grove]

I feel like it’s too heavily reliant on the h mark dilemma

[devout flume]

Bold of you to assume I build anything based on what’s good and not what I can turn into horror

[paper portal]

i do but im evil so

[knotty pasture]

Resulting in a class that is overall weaker imo but hey its more approachable to the masses

[devout flume]

GAH!!

[wanton raft]

I've never heard one person speak positively about ranger. every ranger I know is a multiclass to get hunter's mark

[devout flume]

I love u circle of spores druid and one day I’ll play one of u again as a terrible changeling woods creature

[knotty pasture]

You have not met any of us in #character-discussion and #optimization then

[devout flume]

I love swarmkeeper just for the vibes. I would love it no matter what it was a subclass of

[knotty pasture]

Ranger is a peak class

[wanton raft]

okayyy

[knotty pasture]

Hunter's Mark is a questionable sidegrade of a spell

[burnt grove]

Deciding between a monk or an artificer for my next class start.. I’m unsure which one lol

[serene sigil]

Hmmm character discussion chat?? Yes

[knotty pasture]

Peak Ranger involves nuking someone out of orbit as Gloom Stalker

[devout flume]

My dm let me have so much fun with it, including letting me use a reaction to summon the swarm when my character was injured through slashing :3

[wanton raft]

Woah...okay

[devout flume]

||because they live in her skin||

[burnt grove]

Strength Ranger is best Ranger lol jk

[knotty pasture]

All your planet are belong to us if there's nothing left to conquer

[devout flume]

And her swarm was the gold scarabs + locusts …

I miss her…

[paper portal]

hunter's mark isnt even a good spell lol

thats what hurts new rangers a lot, they have a bunch of features locked behind it

[paper portal]

i definitely think theyre cooler but also weaker than ranged

[wispy vector]

So true 😌
Mounted Combatant Drakewarden

[devout flume]

Sometimes with my cavalier fighter it feels almost melee rangery if that makes sense 😭 bc shes level four rn and has no horse. Her main ability IS marking things

[short brook]

is Str ranger bad??

[burnt grove]

It is.. and it isn’t,.. for rangers it’s not as they have better utility like spike growth or entanglement they’d rather cast or later on Extra attack spells like quiver or that strike forgot the name. So being reliant on a spell for half your abilities.. feels wonky

[devout flume]

And being the party luggage mule

[short brook]

i thought str ranger was cool

[paper portal]

its not as good as ranged but that wont matter at the majority of tables

[glass granite]

They generally struggle with AC

[short brook]

That's true but you get to be Minsc

[burnt grove]

Luxodon, lizardfolk, tortle

[wispy vector]

Not at all imo.
Instead of a bow and archery you can take javelins and a shield with Thrown Weapon Fighting.
And in melee you're still solid

[paper portal]

thats why you start fighter for heavy armor tbh

[cerulean monolith]

I believe ranger can get Heavy Armor prof

[devout flume]

I choose class and subclass for the vibes and whatever build problems I run into are a future me problem

[wispy vector]

Strength Ranger is a quirky Eldritch Knight

[paper portal]

if we're talking from an optimized perspective strength ranger is nowhere near dex but the majority of people dont play from an optimized perspective

[burnt grove]

In baldurs gate yes in 2024 unsure

[paper portal]

other way around imo

[rough basalt]

Well it's as simple as just don't get hit, or simply have the DM use rolled stats then rolling 18s in strength, Dex, Con and Wis.

[devout flume]

I am for character design not character utility

[wispy vector]

With a feat, yes.
Otherwise, 14 dex for medium armor isn't the worst.

[wanton raft]

This will be my future aproach