dnd-discussion

[fossil siren]

how come i don't see tashas invocations even though it's in the campaign im in

[rough basalt]

DM doesn't have content sharing on maybe?

Or you have 2014 expanded content toggled off

[fossil siren]

should have - but i'll ask

but that could be it, thanks

[fickle heart]

I do always like this method for death saves, yeah.

[fast latch]

Nice work!!

[fossil siren]

they also removed the ability to add more ritual spells to the tome so that sucks

[fast latch]

It was the most broken Druid subclass

It let you make an ARMY

[jolly agate]

hello

[halcyon bison]

Hai!!!!

[jolly agate]

Hiiiiiii!

[normal junco]

considering action economy has such a big impact, i can see having an army being a problem.

[lavish flame]

New summon spells don't have Hit Dice, and a non-zero amount of Shepherd Druid features involve buffing ur summons (specifically hit die). It doesn't interact with 2024 summon philosophy. Just needs an update

[halcyon bison]

I understand why they changed the old conjure x spells but the new thing isn’t very fun imo

Doesn’t really feel like you’re actually a summoner

Dnd could do with some better horde mechanics I think

[lavish flame]

eh, the Mob rules in the DMG are really solid for huge groups of enemies

[drifting zodiac]

Reminds me of that
20 INDIVIDUAL baboons

[jovial shadow]

Family guy is doing a segment on Lord of the rings right now. lol

[sharp forge]

Who wants to rate my dnd character it’s a teifling rogue custom background nothing tragic in my opinion

[idle oar]

Folks in #character-discussion can provide feedback on character builds

[empty thicket]

Na, 400baboons.

[drifting zodiac]

Each individually rolled

[lavish flame]

I will forever wish for more Swarm statblocks. I always dream of "Phalanx: Gargantuan Swarm of Medium Humanoids" as a monster statblock

[empty thicket]

Yes.

[rugged hawk]

.....Mimic Swarm

[jolly agate]

Uhhggg i still can't find a single pbp session

[empty thicket]

Btw, one of the baboons is the Druid soldier of the BBEG

[lavish flame]

This but unironically. In the same way that a Haunting Revenant is a haunted building that you fight, I think there should be a Swarm statblock for a chunk of a Mind Flayer Colony

[drifting zodiac]

Roll for attack
All 400 baboons get up and run towards you screaming and roaring as mist bellows

Wait if you roll individually for all of them how do you even calculate

[rugged hawk]

I'm just envisioning a city-consuming TSUNAMI of Swarm Mimics, a crashing WALL of meat and ENDLESS TEETH.

[halcyon bison]

well I meant for players
I want 20 skellytons

[drifting zodiac]

It's a Tsunami of decent speed cus I am slowly calculating and I am bad at math

[lavish flame]

I don't see why those rules have to be DM-facing tbh

[halcyon bison]

well the only one that really helps players is do average damage
which yeah that's good advice

[lavish flame]

If you summon 8 velociraptors, its your job to figure out how to make that work and be fun. The mob rules can help with this. Players should feel open to using the Mob rules if they want to summon a bunch of summons.

[errant violet]

Can yall help me pleasw

[idle oar]

You'll need to actually ask the question you need help with

[errant violet]

What class and race should i choose if i wanted to create a character 100% focused on healing

[idle oar]

Race doesn't really matter but Aasimar can get some extra healing stuff. And cleric would be one of the better classes for healing.

[hot marlin]

OK so first off, I do have to say that making a character 100% focused on healing is just a bad idea

[errant violet]

Healing and support then?

[woven flint]

My Wizard can finally retire :]

[hot marlin]

That is better

[errant violet]

Ok thank you thank you

[halcyon bison]

horray -w-

[errant violet]

And what would you reccomend please

[hot marlin]

So yeah, if you want to focus on healing and support (and it really, really shouldn't be 100%), cleric is likely your best class choice.

[errant violet]

Thankss

[keen kestrel]

Some cleric (life is good at healing, but there’s better subclasses) and take good support spells like bless early on

[errant violet]

And race what would you Say? I kbpw it dosent matter much

[keen kestrel]

We just got the sun sword, and my dm is letting me pretend it has the light property, I’m so hype

[errant violet]

Alright thanks thanks

[idle oar]

You can also check with folks in #character-discussion for ideas and feedback on character builds

[errant violet]

Oooh thanks

[fair summit]

Be aware that D&D doesn't require a healer to the same extent as most RPGs
All healing options are gonna be limited by resources, like number of uses per long rest, and spell slots, and healing is rarely gonna outheal any damage in a fight, so your job as a healer isn't gonna be keeping people topped up with health, but bring them back from 0 most of the time

[woven flint]

My Wizard gets to spend time with his daughter and raise a baby version of the dragon God we defeated that also forgot all of its memories
He has a Son and a Daughter now
Both dragons
Kinda funny how life works for a harengon, huh?

[keen kestrel]

Pretty much anything works, though I’d favor anything with extra movement or access to misty step

[errant violet]

Yeah i mean im also focused on support

[errant violet]

Mh alright alright Is aasimar good?

[keen kestrel]

Sure, seems fine

[errant violet]

Im kinda new to this stuff

[keen kestrel]

The thing about clerics is that they get probably one of the best aoe damage spells in the early game

[errant violet]

Cleric and aasimar It Is then, maybe ill read the book a Lil bit

[errant violet]

Yeah might do a bit of both then

[keen kestrel]

Healing in dnd just isn’t great unless your dm really likes to set up small combats that are grindy and don’t involve a ton of damage on either side

Which is… incredibly rare

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[steel whale]

I like stars druids cause they can focus on healing, damage, or concentration/getting good wis/int checks

[errant violet]

Ill keep It in mind, might to something different but cleric might still be my favorite

[halcyon bison]

I enjoyed playing a cleric in dnd
I didn't intend to be super healer focused but i wound up being it anyways
Beacon of hope is VERY good, especially if you have another healer

[keen kestrel]

Light cleric can do the same, pretty fun

[errant violet]

Wich One would yoy Say Is Better?

Cleric or druid for supporto?

*support

[halcyon bison]

Cleric, but druid is certainly not a bad choice
Especially Shepard druid

[errant violet]

Yeah im kinda fashinated by the cleric

[hot marlin]

Subclass and playstyle and spell choice will be more important than the class in that regard

[drifting hollow]

Do somebody wanna do a dnd

[errant violet]

Oh i see i see

I difnt know

[rugged hawk]

Do not the dragons in dungeons

Also, #find-a-game

[steel whale]

Cleric is a better pure support and druid is good at support but its also got a lot of good concentration spells and things for affecting big areas with stuff, like entangle, spike growth, plant growth, conjure animals, etc so it supports the party in different ways by more so denying the enemy stuff i feel like?

Also heat metal is the goat

[errant violet]

Mhhh intresting

Im conflicted

[rugged hawk]

Okay, see, I hear what you're saying. Counterpoint, Summon Wall of Iron (horizontally) in the air while Flying to flatten your foes with several tons of metal.

[steel whale]

I'd say cleric is gonna be an easier option for doing support also. I think its simpler to get the most out of your support and what you're wanting especially if you're a newer player

[rugged hawk]

And then Heat Metal to give them a good cooking

[hot marlin]

I do love wall spells

[steel whale]

Wall of iron !?

[errant violet]

Mhhh great

Thank you guys a lot

[rugged hawk]

Ancient D&D spell, yeah. Lets you summon an actual WALL of iron weighing hundreds of lbs to smash things flat with.

[halcyon bison]

I'd say druid is a bit more complex so I'd recommend cleric if you're new
Life cleric is very simple and a good healer

[woven flint]

Awesome spell 10/10

[halcyon bison]

But do be aware spellcasters can be hard for new players!!!

[steel whale]

DC 40 str save to push it over 😭 I know older editions do stuff differently but DAMN

[rugged hawk]

Also can be cast at an angle or horizontally. SPLAT.

[maiden solstice]

Sorry accident

Was trying to figure out if my crush was in this sever

[fossil hollow]

pinging them then saying that is probably... a way to do it

[halcyon bison]

You can use discord's search feature to figure out who is in a server
Or you could look at that persons profile and see which servers they have in common

[rugged hawk]

The real question is why you need to stalk them to find them, but since that isn't D&D related, I'll refrain.

Anyway, I still feel like Mimic Swarm has potential

[fossil hollow]

mimics are fun. i need a cr 20+ one soon

[halcyon bison]

I think there's something about mimic colonies in one of the books

[rugged hawk]

Tomb of Horrors, but if the party survives to the end, they discover it was actually a Mimic of Horrors and has lured them straight to its stomach.

[fossil hollow]

tasha's yeah

essentially you use lair actions

[crimson gulch]

I wrote the stats for a cr 25 one once

[fossil hollow]

i would ask about it, but im not sure if i would be able to read it lol

[crimson gulch]

The party dident go down that path in the void one shot thougb

[fossil hollow]

o h

i would have preffered giant mimic over the champions lmao

[jolly agate]

Now that i think abt it, Who the hell is Tasha and why is her/his laughter hideous?

[cold violet]

How easy do yall think a party of 4 lvl 4 players can beat a cr30 monster?

[fossil hollow]

she's an infamous mage from greyhawk

[fossil hollow]

tpk

[halcyon bison]

I think that everyone dies!!

[crimson gulch]

Tpk in the first point of initiative

[cold violet]

Dang there goes my plans

Sorry sorry I meant lvl 20

[maiden solstice]

I don’t have their I had to make a new account

[jolly agate]

No way her mom is Baba Yaga

[fossil hollow]

depends wildly on builds at that point

[keen kestrel]

Maybe? It’d be a grueling fight

[jolly agate]

Except the bard

[halcyon bison]

ohhhh thats a big difference!!!!!!!
Yeah it depends, it helps if they have some magic items

[keen kestrel]

Also depends on how well balanced your group is

[jolly agate]

The bard never dies. Someone has to tell the story

[cold violet]

There’s a lot of homebrew so I think I can make it work, especially if I give the enemy weaknesses and stuff like that

[wanton hull]

Can confirm this is false; our bard is the only one to have ever died (me 😢)

[fossil hollow]

you want to focus on making sure the monster survives long enough

level 20 characters are powerful

[cold violet]

My bard died as well 🫩

[cold violet]

Compared to a cr30? Like how powerful

[jolly agate]

Thou are not a bard but a bard'nt

[wanton hull]

We were doing a portal hopping campaign and every time we went through a portal any dead members would revive. There were 3 deaths the whole campaign and all of them were me 💔

[jolly agate]

How the hell did u died as a bard?

[fossil hollow]

to the point the tarrasque would be feeling like a moderate fight

[wanton hull]

Giant terrorist missile to my stomache. Like 10x the size of me

[jolly agate]

In my last campaign as a bard I never died. Not a single time

[halcyon bison]

My brother once ran a one shot with Tiamat and 5 ancient dragons (with homebrew stat blocks that made them more dangerous) and a party of level 20 players could beat that
I don't know how many players there were

[rugged hawk]

Okay, but hear me out: Tarrasque Swarm

[cold violet]

Mine fought litch dragon at lvl 6

[fossil hollow]

theres a planet of them

[wanton hull]

Also our DM put us against Malenia

[wanton hull]

Bro what

[jolly agate]

Alr that's an acceptable death for a bard

[cold violet]

Rough times man

[wanton hull]

I was playing an Owlin so the DM said after it hit there was just some rotisserie on the floor

[wanton hull]

Ok but WHY did the dm throw that at you??

[cold violet]

Wait we were actually lvl 5

[wanton hull]

Twin

[cold violet]

It was a weakened one but yeah

It disengaged after it killed my character

[wanton hull]

F

[halcyon bison]

thats not very nice

[wanton hull]

Wait why didn’t it revive you to fight your allies?

[hot marlin]

Maybe it was just angry and felt like killing someone, feeling satisfied.

[cold violet]

Yk that’s actually a good question

[wanton hull]

Bro killed you instead of getting a stress ball

[cold violet]

Rip Leveret, you will be missed

[wanton hull]

:D

[rugged hawk]

It found a stress bard and squeezed.

[wanton hull]

Yeah that sounds right

[fossil hollow]

you got a lot of stuff to kill in baldur's gate

[wanton hull]

Like a stress bard

[cold violet]

I tried to make him a little ball of sunshine but then a town and a city got reduced to ash and then he died

[halcyon bison]

stress bard is very funny

[wanton hull]

Lil ball of sunshine❌
Sun ✅

[charred swift]

Right now I’m in a campaign where no one really knows how to play 2024 except for me.

The people are nice but it’s kind off frustrating when I gotta help and correct allot of rules and player abilities.

It’s to the point where one player has utterly mis managed their character creation to the point where allot of it is nonsensical.

Then I volunteered to make them a correct character sheet.

I don’t know I kind of want to drop at this point because people I play with now are old DND veterans and newbies who have never played the game before and from what I understand never really bothered to really research the game.

Also for the record these are Middle aged adults and I’m mid 20s for reference of age.

[crimson gulch]

That's up to the dm to correct not you

[fossil hollow]

(dont post your age as well)

[charred swift]

Thx

[charred swift]

The DM doesn’t really know the rules really either he mistook short rests for 4 hours instead of 1. He’s an old school player.

They’re all just sort of going along with things.

But they are having fun so I guess it’s just a me thing not seeing someone play to their best potential but I can’t just hand hold.

[rugged hawk]

Short Rests are 1 hour? I was under the impression they were 4 hours as well, for some reason.

[fossil hollow]

theyre an hour

[rugged hawk]

Hm. I dunno where I got the idea they were longer, but whatever.

[crimson gulch]

If the dm is not using the rules you sure can't

[rugged hawk]

If the DM is making it up as they go, abuse it

[noble pine]

What does it mean by a dc 26 wisdom saving throw

[rugged hawk]

Aw cmon, talk-no-jutsuing the DM into allowing shenanigans is half the fun of D&D

[fossil hollow]

the target has to make a wisom saving throw against DC 26

they have to roll 26 or higher to succeed

[noble pine]

So they roll a d20 and add there wisdom modifier to it

[south prawn]

Roll a d20 and add your wisdom modifier and proficiency bonus If you're proficient in wisdom saving throws

[fossil hollow]

yes, and proficiency bonus if youre proficient

[noble pine]

Would the proficiency bonus if they're be like saving throws

[fossil hollow]

if theyre proficient in the saving throw, they add it too

its the same pb as what you add to your spell save dc and attack rolls

[river vector]

16 minutes into start time, two people in VC

[crimson gulch]

Out of?

It's daylight savings today, I would give them some grace

[limber trail]

Give them some grace for a session but might be a chance to talk with your group about how much they're enjoying the game. How long have yall been playing together?

[river vector]

a few weeks now

[limber trail]

Would you say it's been about 5, or 10, or more?

[river vector]

We had some issues with trying to get this session to work, but everyone told me they could attend

[river vector]

5

[limber trail]

See how it goes. It's still early enough that you might still have flakers in the group

[river vector]

just got a message saying "sorry I'm not home"

With no warning in advance......

[fast latch]

How would you pronounce the name Gnobil?

[fossil hollow]

No-bil

[uncut zenith]

Yeah I’d just pronounce it identically to the word “noble”

[fast latch]

So the G is silent? Interesting

I’m asking this because that’s the name of my BBEG

[south prawn]

Like gnome

[uncut zenith]

The g is silent in other fantasy words like “gnome” and “gnoll” too, so I don’t see why not

[fast latch]

It’s Silent in Gnoll?!

[naive cedar]

Yep

[jolly agate]

Fr???. I always say like, ****G-****nome

[glass granite]

It’s pronounced nome

[naive cedar]

It’s like knight

[nova citrus]

You know i like to think that there's a blood type in the world of D&D and certain races that can't be tainted by vampirism, like a strong immunity to vampirism that doesn't turn the person into a vampire or a vsmpire spawn... Like instead of turning they get really ill and theyre put into a very Bad fever state that could last for days on weeks if not dealt with a spell or a powerful elixir. One race i think would be immune would be dragonborn because theyre draconic bloodline is too powerful to be tainted by vampirism... Tell me what y'all think

[jolly agate]

Can Orcs be vampires?

[uncut zenith]

Sounds a little too convoluted for me

[jolly agate]

an Vampire Orc would be scary ngl

[jolly agate]

Oooh

[jolly agate]

Dammit

[nova citrus]

I mean in Skyrim all races can turn into Vampires

[fast latch]

It’s not K-night?

[nova citrus]

I feel like D&D half orcs would be able to turn unless if they have a certain blood type that is immune to vampirism

[nova citrus]

🙂 that means for sure

[naive cedar]

No it’s Kuh-nuggut

[shell estuary]

Accidentily turned my rouge into roadhog

[naive cedar]

Also I’m pretty sure half orcs can be vampires

[jolly agate]

So like a really fat dude whit a hook?

[shell estuary]

9'2 Goliath rouge with a giant club

Mind the fact the rope is 30 feet long. Imagine your guarding the entrance to a gate and your buddy just gets dragged off into the dark.

[keen kestrel]

Can an reborn be a vampire? That’s the real question

[tidal bough]

A vampire isnt a race/species, its a lineage so i dont believe so

There are things like dhampirs which are their own species/race which could technically substitute

[keen kestrel]

I meant like can they be turned

[tidal bough]

I mean definitely as homebrew but then you run into an ichigo (from bleach) character who just happens to have a bunch of different forms

[swift silo]

Would it be dex or constitution check to see if you fell over from someone trying to sweep your legs

[tidal bough]

Try the shove action and using the rules from that

[keen kestrel]

acrobatics to avoid it, athletics to not fall

[tidal bough]

(Dex or str save)

[tidal bough]

In 5.5 most of the saves will generally be a saving throw the first time and the a check for subsequent times

[cursive urchin]

🧀

[tidal bough]

I.e in grappling in 5.5 theres the initial saving throw and then if you fail you make a dex acro check or str ath check

[next rampart]

How to play?

I am new

[tidal bough]

Check in #dnd-newcomers

[uncut zenith]

Reborn are technically humanoid, so yes. They can be turned into a vampire

[graceful quest]

hay i have a question for everyone my DND group is looking for a DM our last one quit on us would anyone like to join and be our DM

[uncut zenith]

You’d have to post in the LFG channels

[keen kestrel]

They're closer to undead, that's why I wanted to sort of ask

[tidal bough]

Definitely a #looking-for-dm post

[uncut zenith]

They’re mechanically Humanoid though, so per the rules of the game, they can be turned into a vampire

[tidal bough]

They're only undead if it specifies undead

[uncut zenith]

If they were mechanically Undead, they wouldn’t qualify. But they’re mechanically Humanoid.

[swift silo]

Can you punch someone in the throat to silence them? For a turn

[arctic bobcat]

Whatd be funner to hunt, a giant boar, giant spider, giant frog or smth else. My players r in a swamp and i want them to have a fun hunting experience

[swift silo]

Hunt or battle? If they are like tracking and hunting it, I would say a boar but just in a normal fight, I would say a giant frog

[tidal bough]

Not RaW but the dm may allow it

[arctic bobcat]

Hunt for sur

They’re all lvl 5 atp so it aint gonna be hard either way

[arctic bobcat]

I dont see why not lol

[knotty pasture]

A throat punch probably requires some kind of save before they're silenced

[arctic bobcat]

Maybe con or dex from the person getting hit

[mighty wharf]

Can the 2024 Monk fr just use all of their focus points in a single turn? My monk PM did 17 attacks in a turn, and did 217 damage.

[swift silo]

Would it be a contested strength versus con check?

[knotty pasture]

Up to the DM

[arctic bobcat]

Pretty sure one per turn but i dont know

[tidal bough]

They can if they have the resources to do so, but RaW you did not make 17 attacks in a turn

[nova citrus]

A owl bear that has been unkillibable... It's basically a all white One (red dead redemption legendary animal core) it could increase the partys reputation because hunters dream of killing that thing

It's angry because it's not in it's usuall habitat

[arctic bobcat]

Not meant to be that hard 😭

Also sorta outta place, i rlly wanna sell the “creepy rotten swamp”

[nova citrus]

Don't you want ur party to suffer?

[mighty wharf]

Yeah I'm just struggling trying to understand how he did 200 damage in a single turn as a level 7 monk

[tidal bough]

He wasn't using RaW

[arctic bobcat]

Lol theyre fighting a black dragon after, they deserve a little down time 😂

[nova citrus]

True true.... Maybe a corrupted owl bear that was once a hags pet weakened over the years with no one to serve or call master

[tidal bough]

They can only use flurry of blows by expending a bonus action, unless they had 5+ bonus actions they cant make that many flurries

[mighty wharf]

And how many focus points can you use with flurry of blows?

[tidal bough]

The amount specified in the feature, you dont get to expend more than that for more attacks

I believe its one focus point for two attacks

No more, no less, and no further expending of points to gain more or less

So at lvl 7 the maximum attacks most monks should be able to do is 4 (5 if they have something like nick mastery)

[rugged hawk]

My warlock is an apprentice of an undead black dragon, you're welcome to some inspiration from her. https://i.imgur.com/wFVyXq2.png

[arctic bobcat]

Oo they look sick dude

[empty thicket]

mine is a follower of a god word but is tricked by a celestial and deceive himself like his god and think is some kind of special person for that. This fool will have a breakdown in some moment

[spark urchin]

Playing a witcher rip-off in campaign soon, so making another play through of The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt

[jolly agate]

Idk why but i kinda wanna play Dhampir Halfling bard

[karmic pendant]

I guess it depends on if dhampir can be small but if they can you can just reflavor dhampir to be part halfling

[fossil hollow]

they can

[lavish flame]

Dhampirs can indeed be small, because Halflings, Gnomes, Goblins, and Kobolds can all be "vaguely vampiric"

[fossil hollow]

iirc, 5

ye

[feral fulcrum]

2cd Level in 2014 :V, Homunculus Servant is an Infusion.

[karmic heath]

Nuggets lol
Alrighty. Thank you both

[feral fulcrum]

You probably want to ask your DM to be sure on exactly what rules you're using.

[karmic heath]

Yup thank you! Just sent the message!

[glass granite]

Someone called?

[timid ferry]

[karmic heath]

lol

[jolly agate]

Aint dhampirs like half vampire?

why can't the other half be Halfling

(never played Halfling but kinda want to give it a try)

[karmic pendant]

Yeah that's what I meant although you won't get halfling mechanics

[jolly agate]

Oh yeah i can live whit that

Can i still be smol?

[drifting fjord]

Good lord the new Dndbeyond website is awful. should rename it dndclicks. Nothing is intuitive to find anymore.

[feral fulcrum]

Dhamphirs are not even strictly Vampire related at all, they've got too many sources.

[knotty vine]

Let’s make poor discussions

[umbral girder]

Its pretty much the exact same with a new coat of paint.

[naive cedar]

What kind of poor discussions?

[drifting fjord]

Navigation is not exactly the same at all.

[prime pewter]

Yall I'm getting art commissioned of my Swolbold (buff kobold)

[meager fractal]

Yeah this isn't good at all.

[prime pewter]

Yesss its so confusing

[jolly agate]

i tryed to draw ma most recent dnd character for hours and i noticed somethin

something shocking

i bloody suck at dis

i can't draw shi 😭

[charred ledge]

I feel like running RotF again

[lusty tendon]

Ok hear me out, build tanya, the evil in dnd
A 12 year old who is the pinnacle of evil but is also lawful evil but no one knows that

[woven flint]

Eh.
I don't know, people probably wouldn't want a child PC at their table
Especially a 12 year old

[lusty tendon]

Ehh good point. But im still keeping the premise

Probably around 19-22 range for them to be young but not too young for a party

[charred ledge]

I've never enjoyed playing with an evil party member, outside of one shots where they all fight anyway

[lusty tendon]

Nah thats the thing, if you play a decent lawful evil party member they will follow the group but when something questionable comes up they do it with no remorse but when another member says no you listen

[warm shore]

I feel like the natural deterrent to being evil in dnd is lowkey the fact that it means pissing off virtually everyone, and at low levels it’s basically suicide

[tall forge]

Child pcs are table to table for sure

Especially if there is higher maturity it gets uncomfortable fast

(As in fade to black scenes)

Personally, i played a child character and it was really fun

[woven flint]

You.. are aware being Evil doesn't mean you're inherently rude, right?

Being Evil =/= Being Mean
Just like
Being Good =/= Being Nice

I've played Two evil characters, both outwardly presented themselves as pleasant individuals

One of my evil characters was a Healer type too.
He was kind and pleasant enough to make sure that any and all Wounds were healed and needs of his allies were fulfilled..
Just to have meatshields that trusted him for later.

[tall forge]

Some would even say evil characters do best by being nice

Having a charade of kindness and all that

[woven flint]

And hell, being Evil doesn't even mean you can't genuinely be a kind person!

[knotty pasture]

Stereotypical evil characters being that unhinged Bhaalist probably, which gives them a bad rep

[woven flint]

Plenty of good villains are cordial people

Hell, Strahd is like... the scumbag of the realms, but even he feigns kindness to parties to great effect (if your dm plays him well)

Lots of Effective villains are those who can pretend to be or ARE genuinely normal people

To go back to my evil fella

He was an Alchemist Artificer, first session of the campaign he made normal wine for an entire party that was going on to boost his own image

He saw that one of the party members really liked that quality and he clung onto it, promising more alcohol if he was kept safe
No threats of harm or anything of the sort needed to manipulate anyone.

Alas, I only got to play him for two sessions
Dm wasn't feeling the campaign, but I still play in that dms games lol
Just haven't been an evil guy again yet

[lusty tendon]

Like dexter for example is a lawful evil character, nice guy in everyday life but a murderer at heart

[woven flint]

Dexter is NOT Lawful Evil.

[lusty tendon]

Well 1 i disagree but what would you classify him as

[marble lion]

Id say he is lawful evil

Evil because he enjoys murder

Lawful because he values and strives to follow ideals

[lusty tendon]

Like a low level lawful evil character would be dexter,

High level would be politician

[marble lion]

Tvshow anyway, comics are different

[woven flint]

Ah, nah wait.
I thought you meant
Dexter from Dexter's lab for a second until I reread lmao

I was like "Wait, murderer?"

[marble lion]

You would think that, lord of goofy

Tokiiu a minute

[lusty tendon]

Ohhh yeah he is chaotic good 😭😭

[marble lion]

Dexter is a scientist at heart
True neutral

[lusty tendon]

I could see that as well, plus it has been a while since ive seen the show

[marble lion]

Beast creature type, no alignment

Your avatar is great

[woven flint]

My alignment is Goofy.

[lusty tendon]

Mine or tokii

[marble lion]

Yours

[lusty tendon]

Thanks

I love the coal sprites with a fatherly love (the good kind not the toxic kind)

[marble lion]

Dont arrest me, i was just goofing around drenched in blood

[woven flint]

I'd eat the coal sprites with vitriolic hatred

[marble lion]

Its not fatherly love if its toxic

[woven flint]

I just realized
That's Xanathars Eye and not Vecnas eye

Look at it

[marble lion]

Indeed

[woven flint]

That's a singular eyed entity, I can feel it

[lusty tendon]

Yeah? I can tell btw what happened to my magic

[marble lion]

Yes i never doubted that

[feral fulcrum]

You've Disintegrated chat. Congrats.

[jolly agate]

Hellooo

[woven flint]

You're next!!!!

[feral fulcrum]

Do not look directly into the Beholder.

[marble lion]

I only realised it was xans specifically when xanathar username posted it

[marble lion]

But beauty lies within

And i was taught to stare down liars

[lusty tendon]

And a disintegrated face lies apon you

[feral fulcrum]

Whomstdve

[marble lion]

I wouldnt mind losing my face

Empty heads are beautiful

[lusty tendon]

Id personally would like to keep mine

Gotta keep thoughts, love and prayers for the coal sprites

[woven flint]

Oh, friends, My Harengon Bladesinger and his friends killed a God yesterday
Said God was a homebrew Deity named Oroboros, a Dragon that represents inevitability.
It was inevitable that we WON!

[marble lion]

You can keep all those just fine blank

[feral fulcrum]

I smell some mighty strong Homebrew

[severe rampart]

Mirror Image is such a nice spell to have

[marble lion]

Lets you look at yourself

[woven flint]

When Oroboros died, he became an egg again as he never truly dies, but he loses his memory.
My Bladesinger is retiring to take care of him and his other dragon who is his daughter lol

[severe rampart]

Also makes you not get hit

[tall forge]

Eat the egg

[severe rampart]

I eat opportunity attacks for dinner, just walking out of range of enemies and letting my illusions take the hit

[feral fulcrum]

I have it on my list, but never use it. Our fights generally go too fast to get much use out of it.

[woven flint]

No, Malaketh (My Harengon) wants to raise the Deity with love and care, to try and break the cycle

[tall forge]

But what if they get hungry

[severe rampart]

I took out 4/5 enemies with it on

[marble lion]

And so the cycle continues

[tall forge]

A hunger only eggs can satisfy

[woven flint]

Uh..
They'll probably just eat what any baby dragon eats.
Malaketh feeds his daughter fish lol

[tall forge]

Ouroboros eggs specifically

[severe rampart]

I turn it on immediately when I spot an enemy

[jolly agate]

yeah that's wild

[woven flint]

It probably wouldn't do anything to destroy him
I fear it'd just give him a vessel if we tried to eat him as well

[jolly agate]

bro killin gods and shi while i get stabbed to death 😭

[dusty glade]

Hi uhh, im like new, like really new. like all my knowledge comes from popculture n media... uhh hi

[feral fulcrum]

Meanwhile I've officially become an Archfey, and have become basically Discount Daybreaker

[woven flint]

He killed a God for them to be Reborn so he can raise them with love
Honestly Chad move

[severe rampart]

Welcome!

[dusty glade]

hi

is there anywhere i can share my char sheet, so sm1 can tell me what they think?

[feral fulcrum]

#character-discussion generally

[woven flint]

Oroboros was mostly lashing out because a giant God killed his brother, I can't be too mad at him

[dusty glade]

cuz its my first sheet

[jolly agate]

That's pretty cool tho

[feral fulcrum]

Fair warning however, pre-emptyively creating sheets before you've found a group is generally a bad idea, because a group could allow, or disallow a great many things, and it just might not fit anyway withe the kind of game they're aiming for.

[dusty glade]

uhmm how do i share it tho? cuz its in pdf format

[jolly agate]

I am now being pursued by an order of paladins, so my party had to escape to another city once again (Dammit Waterdeep)

[dusty glade]

btw i had some help w dm for the numbers stuff. is that okay for a first timer?

[feral fulcrum]

I have no idea what links are allowed and what gets auto eaten.

[woven flint]

I've had...
A Character become a God
A character kill/raise a God
A character fight alongside his own Deity

Some of my characters have been up to crazy shit lol

[dusty glade]

like weight n stuff

[jolly agate]

Is the Order of the Gauntlet like, too strong or smth?

[tall forge]

Ive only ever finished 1 character….

[jolly agate]

or are they like low tier Paladins?

[feral fulcrum]

Fight them and find out, future Burger.

[woven flint]

My God character is Vaskhir
He was a Dark Elf Wildfire Druid
He's the Deity of Druids and Change... since the last Druid God died and he was the only one suitable for the role lol

[jolly agate]

I'm scared of checking the wiki abt them

[dusty glade]

Can i do a High Functioning Depressed Alcoholic Rogue as a Starter char

[feral fulcrum]

I mean you can just ask your DM to roll some various checks to see if you know anything about them. :V

[woven flint]

You could!
Just be tasteful with certain matters

[tall forge]

You can do whatever your dm allows

[jolly agate]

I did but.. well, I'm a cow

Cows usually know nothing about paladins and orders

[feral fulcrum]

And you've got a Party that's presunamly, not a Cow.

[jolly agate]

(that's basically what my DM told me)

when i rolled

[dusty glade]

ik,he's aware its wrong, but he doesnt drink for getting drunk, actually he cant get drunk due to a blessing of regen n wtvr. he only drinks to feel warmth inside

[jolly agate]

true

[feral fulcrum]

And as an Awakened creature, you're not neccesarily entirely ignorant, it really depends on your background and backstory.

That reminds me, I need to spend time with my Awakened Squirrels

[jolly agate]

ye ma backstory is like, being silly, stealing things and do cow stuff

[feral fulcrum]

So typical country bumpkin but Cow.

[dusty glade]

he's actually lost his family young and somewhat believes himself forsaken by gods. hes faithless yes, but not a god hater. if anything he believes gods despise him

[jolly agate]

ye kinda

[woven flint]

You know, I think Awakening animals and plants is a bit of a curse

Giving them human-like intelligence they never asked for nor wanted...
My Druid never did it because he knew the pain of sentience lol
(But Awakened squirrels do sound dope)

[jolly agate]

Technically, my cow isn't a cow, but a half-Minotaur. (And a bull but i call ma boy cow cuz he's a Highland cow)

[dusty glade]

his bloodline is of paladins of a justice goddess, that i havent rlly worked on the name yet. even wielding his grandfather's longsword.

[echo meteor]

brooo

[tall forge]

There is an “othering” you create, removing their ability to relate to their own species as well as other sentient ones

[woven flint]

Indeed...

[jolly agate]

oh lawrd a flying pickle

[feral fulcrum]

My Wizard Tower Turned Flying Island Citadel (Powered by a Dryad I created purely on a whimsy.) has a passive Awakening Field, the underside has inverted gravity and a Forest full of squirrels, and large magical Daisies that shoot lasers.

[atomic moat]

sapience. Animals already have sentience, which is basically just the capacity to feel and respond to the environment. Sapience is human like intelligence.

[echo meteor]

i gave my players +2 health potion b4 cragmaw and they still ALMOST TPK, while im running by the book...

[dusty glade]

can sm1 tell me what they think?

[woven flint]

Eh, they knew what I meant lol.
Bit thanks, I got the words mixed up, alas

[feral fulcrum]

two health potions is basically nothing?

[jolly agate]

Why do Wizards always have towers?

[echo meteor]

the module gives them 0 -_-

[feral fulcrum]

Because it's a classic?

[dusty glade]

can i post a whole text abt my lore in character descriptions?

[jolly agate]

There must be a hidden reason somewhere.

[tall forge]

Healing potions also arent very effective if youre running 2014

[woven flint]

My Wizard doesn't have a tower, he has a underground bunker he took away from psychotic cultists to deprogram and try to help former cultists find normal lives

[echo meteor]

2024 bonus action healing

[tall forge]

Then its a little dependent

[jolly agate]

that's somehow less cooler

[feral fulcrum]

The reason is that because everyone needs a place to work, and Tower and Wizards have been Synomous for I think hundreds of years now?

[woven flint]

That's an opinion you have

[atomic moat]

Wny do cities always have skyscrapers? Actually outside of it being an ego thing, there's certainly a strategic advantage to being able to fireball the peasants below.

[tall forge]

Perhaps your players arent good at combat, or the module isnt well balanced 🤷

Or its just unlucky rolls

[echo meteor]

the room has 6 goblins and 2 goblin bosses 😭 that 4 players have to beat at level 1

[jolly agate]

LMAO

[feral fulcrum]

Do you expect a guy to work and expand his magic in the middle of bum-duck nowhere without a roof over his head?

[jolly agate]

Ye, that's the reason now, i love it.

[tall forge]

Well played goblins could kill lvl 12 parties

[woven flint]

I think being underground shows more humility over building a spiraling spire

[jolly agate]

that's my new headcanon

[tall forge]

Dont underestimate em

[echo meteor]

lol if im running it next time, im just giving EVERYONE a health potion

[tall forge]

I don’t think that’s going to solve your problems

[echo meteor]

how many health potion would solve the problem?

[tall forge]

You should look into how and why they tpk’ed

[woven flint]

(Also, tactically, an underground base is Harder to seige than a tower)

[jolly agate]

My cow's destiny is to live on a giant mountain shaped like a cow.

[feral fulcrum]

Well there's your problem. The Book encounters are never perfect, nor work for all party comps.

[tall forge]

Was it bad rolls, bad builds, bad strategy

[jolly agate]

Like very VERY high. To look down on all the commoners

[echo meteor]

it was the 2 goblin bosses shooting their shortbow 4 times in a single round

[tall forge]

Then perhaps lower it to 1 goblin boss next time

[woven flint]

Mowed down by goblins

[feral fulcrum]

One group might find an encounter easy (Undead swarms vs Clerics = Cake Walk), while others will find it a comple TPK murder fest (Behold Oops All Wizards, a Rakshasha! It's completely immune to you.)

[tall forge]

Have the other guy be late, busy with something and join later

[echo meteor]

ehh, im just gonna hand out more health potion i guess

the fighter went down like 4 times -_-

[tall forge]

I mean, sure. Just dont be surprised when they all tpk again

[echo meteor]

why wouldnt more health potions help though?

[feral fulcrum]

Health Potions only help so much, and don't actually keep Parties alive in combat.

[echo meteor]

its bonus action healing though?

[feral fulcrum]

Because potions don't give much HP past a certain point

[woven flint]

Trying to outheal damage is almost never a good idea

[tall forge]

Ok, if you heal from 1 hp to 5 hp, youre still going down to a 6 damage hit

[echo meteor]

its level 1

[feral fulcrum]

Oh, then your problem is that you're playing at level 1

[dusty glade]

uhh, is it okay if i sent my lore file on character discussion? (just to clarify, its not spam or anything. its just kinda wordy)

[echo meteor]

no, they are at 1 hp, they take 7 damage.. go down, then they get back up for 2d4+1

[feral fulcrum]

Everything is ALWAYS going to be a potential TPK. It's level 1.

[tall forge]

Ok but thats the problem also

[feral fulcrum]

Nobody has Any Hp at level one, so Crits and high damage rolls just instantly delete people

Because level 1 sucks like that.

[echo meteor]

thats that health portions r for

[feral fulcrum]

Health potions don't care about Massive Damage instantly killing you with no saves.

[echo meteor]

but seriously, why the heck would it put 2 goblin boses in the SAME ROOM at level 1

[woven flint]

Which could be viewed as an inherent problem with the game lol

[tall forge]

Yes but getting hit once and going down doesnt change anything

[echo meteor]

ehh, thats just rng

[tall forge]

And lvl 1 has the most potential for rng to kill you

[marble lion]

Except

[tall forge]

Also being low health increases that rng in favor of instantly downing you

Making health pots potentially pointless

[echo meteor]

Five goblins and two goblin bosses inhabit this den. The southern half of the cave is 10 feet higher than the northern end.

[marble lion]

At level 1, the stakes narratively are lower
That means a lost fight isnt necessarily death

[feral fulcrum]

"I give you all health potions" "You all rolled bad on iniative, the goblin swarm attacks, oh woops you're all down."

[tall forge]

Ehhh, yesnt

Its tough to get downed players out of an encounter

[dusty glade]

uhmm i dropped my lore for my first character in #character-discussion wdu guys think? srry if its lengthy, but im working on this whole thing

[feral fulcrum]

Lvl 1 is nothing but an RNG Fest

[marble lion]

Depends on the encounter
Plenty of lvl 1 stuff isnt really that lethal imo

[woven flint]

Negotiation could also be a thing if your party is willing to be diplomatic or maybe offer the goblins something to get by? (And you shoukd still give experience for solving the encounter)

[tall forge]

Its why i never really run lvl 1 encounters

I start lvl 3, so i dont have to worry about all that

[marble lion]

People are only scared of lvl1 because they think they have to fight to death

[tall forge]

Or this happens

[marble lion]

Bandits? Take stuff
Animals? Run off after defending themselves

[woven flint]

Not all situations need to be solved by murder

[feral fulcrum]

Scared, perhaps, Dismissive of? No, there's way more reason to be dissmisive of Lvl 1 play then it being overly swingy.

[woven flint]

Not all creatures are willing to die

[marble lion]

Yeah especially lvl 1
Im not talking about railroading it to live

[mighty quartz]

Outside of like, gameplay stuff, why is a half foot not just considered human? Are they not just, a guy who’s really short ??

[marble lion]

And im not referring to dismissive

[woven flint]

You mean Halflings?

[feral fulcrum]

I like not having to explain why I suddenly pull a subclass out of my hiney because I stubbed my toe on a Goblin one too many times.

[tall forge]

They physically are proportioned different

[marble lion]

Different blessings from their racial deity id guess

[tall forge]

And have a patron god who actually made them

[echo meteor]

eyyy, i tried.. the goblin boss tried to ransom the prisoner.. but then the players essentially just said "suck it!" and went to combat

[marble lion]

They all have lucky for that reason

[mighty quartz]

Right sorry just had a conversation about half foots and it reminded me of halflings

[tall forge]

Humans do not have diety, they just appeared out of no where

[mighty quartz]

Right, okay

[dusty glade]

excuse me! can sm1 give me their opinions on my first character?

[woven flint]

That sounds like an issue of your players tbh lol

[dusty glade]

its not exactly perfect, but neither am i rn

[echo meteor]

well.. it wasnt just that, the 1 player was doing the negotiating, and the other 3 players just watched as he just fumbled the thing so

[tall forge]

Yondalla made halflings in her image, very specifically

[woven flint]

Solution, befriend the goblins and visit them ever so often

[marble lion]

Set expectations
Not all parties want to play negotiator with obviously evil villains

[feral fulcrum]

More often then not players default to "Screw it, Roll Iniative."

[marble lion]

Its something that needs to be addressed

[tall forge]

Its also a pretty reasonable thing

[dusty glade]

hey uhh, can i base my character's personality as a mix of the 10th doctor w Dean Winchester?

[marble lion]

If you just kill them for it they might learn
Or just walk out

[feral fulcrum]

You can do whatever you want with your charecter as long as the DM's onboard with it

[tall forge]

Generally a player thinks “this is the bad guy. We are supposed to fight them, and win”

[dusty glade]

thx

[marble lion]

Yup

[feral fulcrum]

The ultimate arbitrator is you and the DM.

[tall forge]

And thats not bad

[dusty glade]

srry for all the questions, btw. its just i could use some advice from ppl w experience

[echo meteor]

He WAS the bad guy, he wanted to ransom the prisoner 😛

[tall forge]

Infact it can be very useful

[marble lion]

Its not a real world
Its a game made specifically for the players so its never quite obvious what the reality of it will be

[tall forge]

Its up to the dm to be able to either communicate the situation as a “you dont have to kill this guy” or to set expectations before the campaign

As haise said earlier

[marble lion]

When im a player, im very careful about being careful
Because usually scarylooking encounters are still meant to go in our favour
And running would feel like wasting time etc

[tall forge]

Exactly, and it could dodge an encounter the dm really needed

[marble lion]

Dnd is a game you get to play at most once a week, not all tables want to run away or make peace with bad guys

We once ran into a red dragons lair, because we hadnt gotten combat in 4 weeks irl

[echo meteor]

ehh u kind of have to at level 1

you get the same experience regardless

[marble lion]

We didnt know the details but safe to say we were not as cautious as the chars would have been

[tall forge]

Ehhhh, running away at lvl 1 isn’t exactly easy

[marble lion]

I never had a lvl1 encounter where anyone ran

Had 1 person go down twice but noone died

[echo meteor]

not exactly running away, more like "identifying the objective"

[marble lion]

Ive had like 6 lvl1 start campaigns now

[echo meteor]

and just doing that thing without going murder hobo

[tall forge]

I agree with haise’s earlier statement of “non lethal tpks” is what im calling it

[marble lion]

In my experience, lvl1 combat is often extremely simple

"Kill these rats"

"Goblins are robbing you in woods"

[severe rampart]

Goblins, bandits, goblin bandits

[marble lion]

Depends on dm and module i guess but thats my exp

[echo meteor]

I had the goblins roll stealth behind a rock and shooting with advantage whenever it made the stealth check (dc15)

[severe rampart]

At level 2 I did fight a hag

[echo meteor]

or just shoot, then jump into a foliage then hide

[marble lion]

Yeah so you played them really strong, dms choice

[echo meteor]

or.. ready an action, if theres nothing to shoot at

[marble lion]

Thats not normal

[echo meteor]

thats not how you play goblins?

[tall forge]

No, not against lvl 1s

[marble lion]

As long as this kind of game was declared in session 0, its fine and great

If you had ppl coming in that want a less lethal punishing brutal thing, you might have lost the campaign there

Not because they died, but because they didnt enjoy it

[severe rampart]

Crafty, but wouldn't they expect it if they see them going behind the rock?

[rough basalt]

I tell people straight up their PCs are not protected

[dusty glade]

how much trauma is too much trauma for a starter char?

[severe rampart]

Not enough

[rough basalt]

I'd say there's a line between "trauma" and "alright man you need to go write a novel to punish your OC"

[dusty glade]

i'm just sticking with the classic, dead family

[marble lion]

If you have to ask, it might be too much
Ask your group, not strangers though

[rough basalt]

But it's more on how you play it out.

[echo meteor]

it doesnt matter..
2024, they take the "hide" action. If they succeed, they gain invisible condition..

the invisible condition is what gives you advantage when you attack

they have to beat a DC 15 though to succeed at hiding

[tall forge]

Personally i think you just played the goblins to be too difficult

[noble tusk]

Ah yes the classic "i press the crouch button behind this rock for the tenth time in a row" strategy. Players and DMs alike love that lmao

[severe rampart]

I hate the change in 2024

[tall forge]

But if your players are ok with it, keep in doing it 🤷

[tall forge]

Actually that was how it was in 2014 basically

[severe rampart]

I see

[woven flint]

The Skyrim tactic, if you will

[echo meteor]

goblins get +7 to stealth whichi lets them beat the dc15 fairly consistently

like half the time.

[tall forge]

Its a hide against the highest passive perception on the opposing side

[echo meteor]

sure, but the FLOOR is DC15

[feral fulcrum]

The DM, as the ultimate arbiter of Dah Rulez, can make Hiding work however they feel makes sense.

[echo meteor]

if the opposing side has higher than 15 passive perception then, you check against that.. but anything below a 15 auto fails

[feral fulcrum]

The floor being high makes sense and is a good thing IMO.

[echo meteor]

i think it just nerfed rogues for no reason but it plays okay

[feral fulcrum]

If abruptly dissapearing before everyones eyes was easy, then it becomes a game of Whack A Mole and Fireballs.

[tall forge]

Its for the best, but mildly confusing

[noble tusk]

Yeah most of the dms ive played with have different interpretations but the general consensus is you can't just sort of duck into cover in full view of an enemy and hide and expect them to just forget you went behind that tree or rock.

[echo meteor]

well, you cant exactly do it unless your a goblin or a rogue with bonus action hide.

normally.. other races cant take an action AND hide in the same turn

goblins are just built different

so i would make them hide behind corners, or stalagmites(cave) then shoot their arrows at the parties from behind them

atleast they cleared the thing with 4 players\

[dusty glade]

i want to clarify, b4 anyone says anything. that what i wrote in character discussion is a bit wordy, but its cuz im still new at lorebuilding

[severe rampart]

Did they enjoy it

[dusty glade]

its not meant as sppam or trolling

just me being a bit verbose

[echo meteor]

idk, i'll see if they come back tomorrow

[tall forge]

Did you not ask?

My players and i are just friends normally so i might be in a different situation, but i usually ask how the session was

[echo meteor]

not really

i just hosted a game on roll20

and im trying out DMing, and random people just join for pug

[drifting zodiac]

So I might buy a mic any recs not really going for a expensive one

[echo meteor]

i just list it as pick-up-game, free, at 7pm every sunday

i'll see if they come back next week or ask for feedback later i guess

[prime pewter]

It just feels right that kenku and kobolds are so close to each other in the monster manual

[echo meteor]

ohhh! can fighters make multiattack with crossbow?

i remembemer they coudlnt in 2014 because of the loading mechanic

[tall forge]

With crossbow expert iirc

But like, that was 2014 already

[lavish flame]

Yeah its unchanged between 5e and 5.5e

[echo meteor]

yaa, but you get equip/unequip part of attack in 2024, i was hoping loading = equip

[lavish flame]

Gotta grab a feat to get past Loading.

[echo meteor]

that sucks 🙁

[tall forge]

Its for general balance 🤷

[lavish flame]

I guess you could have 2 weapons, like Hand Crossbows. That way, 1 weapons' Loading property doesn't inhibit the others'. Afaik, you could get at most 3 shots in 1 turn with this

[echo meteor]

it just sucks how i cant make a goblin fighter with longbow/heavy crossobw 😭

cause that would b sick

[tall forge]

You can make one?

[echo meteor]

goblin is "small" so all attacks you make with longbow/heavy crossbow is disadvantage

[tall forge]

Do it anyway, coward

Get someone to cast enlarge/reduce on you

[echo meteor]

or.. did they remove it in 2024?

[prime pewter]

They did!

[echo meteor]

DAMM that'lll be my next character!

[lavish flame]

in 5.5e, Heavy just means you need to meet a Strength requirement

[tall forge]

Its changed to strength in 2024

[prime pewter]

My greataxe kobold is now no longer not viable

[tall forge]

Actually its dex for ranged weapons

[echo meteor]

how the heck does it even shoot with a longbow? i have no idea

[lavish flame]

Or, actually. Strength or Dex, depending on whether or not its a melee or ranged weapon.

[echo meteor]

it would be longer than its own body, bit idc

[tall forge]

Thats pretty cool

[prime pewter]

He is a Fiend Bladelock. Have not declared on patron yet

[echo meteor]

id just build a fighter with 17 str, 16 dex, 14 con, 10 wis, and int/charisma as a dump stat

then somehow get the str to 18 with a half feat

and have it be good at melee and be decent at ranged

[tall forge]

My fighters all dump str 🫡

[echo meteor]

but then you deal less damage

STR weapons deals soo much more damage than dex weapons

[tall forge]

For them saving throws

[prime pewter]

I dumped int, whereas most kobolds are crafty lil goobers, Zlyroc is... not. He can deck you pretty hard tho

[echo meteor]

YOO rune knight goblin fighter is sick!

[tall forge]

The dm is at least gonna have a little trouble mind controlling my guy

[echo meteor]

idk, i think it would be funny to beat my party members

and have a lil bit of pvp fun

[tall forge]

I don’t really find pvp fun

[echo meteor]

i mean... ur not stabbing them out of ur own free will

[prime pewter]

My dm can mind control my smug kobold with anger issues

[echo meteor]

DM just cast "dominate person" on you 😛

[tall forge]

I meant mechanically

[prime pewter]

Itll be funnie

[tall forge]

Pvp isn’t really a balanced thing in dnd

Health to damage ratio and all that

[echo meteor]

yaa, but its still funny to have ur character be charmed and be "forced" to stab the fellow wizard that keeps fireballing you

[tall forge]

I ofc do the dominate person every once in a while, but its not the best imo

[echo meteor]

yuhh, gotta mix it up a bit 😛

but yeah

i think next time, i might just get rid of the 2nd goblin boss in that stupid room

idek why they would put 2 goblin boss that the party has to fight together

[dusty glade]

i'm taking inspo from spike n angel from buffy for my char

[echo meteor]

soo, for T3 games, which ones better? dungeon of the mad mage OR vecna eve of ruin

[hot gate]

Depends on your preferences. Eve of Ruin would be my pick unless you're into dungeon crawling, in which dase it would be DotMM.

[dusty glade]

so, the world is well homebrew
its a virus ridden steampunk pre modern word as per the dm, can i still integrate w regular dnd basic concepts

[limber trail]

I would talk with the DM to figure out the extent of it but generally you should be able to

[dusty glade]

yeah, i'm asking her

[echo meteor]

dang... you can break warlock eldritch blast soo easy 😭

[dusty glade]

I'm suggesting that: Btw i have an idea. I'll basically be a foreigner from like faerun or wtvr. Like, where I'm from dealt with it and is normal, and your messed up parts are maybe like former colonies.... So that way, we can hv normal places for villages, cities, taverns and all

like for the lore

[limber trail]

I would talk with the DM about what they want from the campaign. Something like that might just not work for some campaigns. I can certainly imagine why a DM might not want large parts of the world to be virus-free in a campaign where it sounds like the virus is an important part of the plot.

I'll put it this way: In my games (but not necessarily yours), I probably wouldn't accept this backstory idea. It doesn't mean yours won't be accepted, but it is something I'd be prepared for

Something important to backstories is that they work with the accepted shared fantasy. If a key part of that fantasy is that there's a virus ravaging the world, then introducing large parts of the world that have dealt with that completely fine does contradict the fantasy. It also might contradict or not work the actual plot of the campaign that the DM is laying out.

[echo meteor]

are spells from "the crooked moon" official?

[limber trail]

They're third party

Not official but they're supported on dndbeyond

[echo meteor]

third party... like critical roll's chronomancer?

cause "the crooked moon" has a pretty busted spell for eldritch blast

[hoary totem]

Chronurgy, echo knight and graviturgy are considered fully official now

[limber trail]

Chronomancy wizard comes from Explorer's Guide to Wildemount which is iirc an official book, actually

[hoary totem]

Kinda pisses me off that I can't play it in adventurers league but i can just play divination wizard...

It's not the "I can't play this EXTREMELY BROKEN character," it's that I can't say "the greatest magic of all is CHRONOMANCY!" to my dnd group

[echo meteor]

if i dont like that bladesinger doesnt get light armor prof, can i just use the 2014 version?

or.. do i HAVE to use the 2024?

[idle oar]

Ask your DM

[hoary totem]

sure 2014 stuff is reverse compatible, but ask your DM

but functionally/mechanically it will work

[echo meteor]

cause i heard you cant if the new book came out that replaces it because wotc wants u to buy their new books

[hoary totem]

2014 content is all reverse compatible, just ensure you make the necessary adjustments for combining rules (e.g. what levels your subclass features come at)

[limber trail]

In a home game you can use whatever content the DM allows

[idle oar]

Yeah home games, not official organized play games, use whatever you want and the DM/table allows.

[limber trail]

Nobody from wotc is gonna ban you from DnD for playing 2014 illusionist wizard in a 2024 game or whatever

Play what your group is happy with

[swift wren]

Funmaxxing is the only min-max that is happily seen :>

[idle oar]

AL games/LOG games - (official organized play games) you are required to use the latest official printed version of a class/subclass. But that isn't because "buy more books" but rather to reduce maintenance of what is officially supported in organized play. It's just easier to stick with the latest and greatest.

[prime pewter]

I like the fests that let me pick up fighting styles (14 rules) So I can have 18 AC while two handing a greataxe with half plate armor

All while straighclassing a hexblade :3

[echo meteor]

saw someone play a warlock aasimar that dealt 1d10 + 2d6 + 1d8 + 4 damage per beam.. and 1d10 + 2d6 + 1d8 + 10 once per turn... with +3 damage at the end of their turn... it was at level 5. pretty sick

[idle oar]

If you want optimized builds, check with folks in #optimization

[tender pier]

So weird topic
If yall have summoning magic IRL what would you do with it?

I was going to add a few rules like a tumblr post but idk

[echo meteor]

summon what?

[tall forge]

If i can summon anything, it depends

Is this something anyone can do?

If not, summoning gold and getting rich

[dusty glade]

like, its kinda im thinking that some parts dealt w the virus w tons of casualties but rebuilt, but others failed. kinda like covid irl.

[tall forge]

If its summoning a creature, honestly? Not much. Probably next to no uses i can think of

[limber trail]

That’s a really big world building choice that’s in the hands of the DM

[tender pier]

Wait give me time I gotta make rules for this

[dusty glade]

tbh we're a buncha young ppl who know nothing much abt dm who know eachother from discord. our dm is the most experienced, and she's like genz like the rest

[echo meteor]

I'd make a bunch of money summoning people to places they want to go

[dusty glade]

plus, the dm is a very good friend of mine and the oldest i've had on discord

[tall forge]

Eh summoning means that they go specifically to you, so its a little tough

[echo meteor]

then live or be at the best places that people want to go 😛

[tall forge]

Theres a bit of risk there involving other people

[olive stag]

Oh

Well in any case, Stephen Lynch's D&D song never gets old. Shit's so corny its fun.

[dusty glade]

i'm thinking my char should be mildly AuHD..... b4 u guys think its to be quirky or wtvr, its not. i just think it'd be interesting

-# also i might be myself, so.....

[limber trail]

Tons of characters are, it’s relatively common. It’s a fun choice

[tall forge]

Diagnosing your PC and attempting to specifically play something like that however can lead to issues

[dusty glade]

like, sometimes he's quiet n serious for the autism side, but more chaotic and rebellious w the auhd side

[limber trail]

It can. It depends. I wouldn’t ever really try lean too hard into it

[tall forge]

So, just a general warning on leaning into that

[dusty glade]

not inherently diagnosed or anything, more like subtext

[knotty pasture]

That sounds a bit dangerous to tread on I dunno

[tiny grove]

You should let other players diagnose them naturally instead
Over like 20 sessions we came to the conclusion that our arcane trickster is autistic 😭

[dusty glade]

it will not ever be directly confirmed.

[tall forge]

Yeah, but diagnosing and explaining this can become problematic

[knotty pasture]

May be accused of ableism at worst for attempting to rp a neurodivergent char when you yourself aren't a neurodivergent person

[tall forge]

Going “wow guys, my guys so autism” is awkward

[dusty glade]

tbh, its more coded than anything

[limber trail]

I wouldn’t lean super hard into it. Just play a character and then play the story. Don’t try think too hard about any specific attributes

[dusty glade]

heck naw, that is a no no.

its just more of a mild detail for my own head, just for me.

[olive stag]

Considering I made a character once who's quirky enough to not read the room..or get what some people are talking about, everything goes.

[dusty glade]

it wont be revealed or treated as anything relevant

[limber trail]

Where I would draw the line is I wouldn’t ever say you should make a choice solely because your character is autistic

[tiny grove]

If you have to say it instead of being able to show it, then are they really that in the first place 🤔

[limber trail]

But yeah it’s a fine trait

[dusty glade]

nah, all choices are trauma based n personality based

[dusty glade]

btw, i wouldnt say it... or be like ooh look, my char is autistic and it makes a savant or wtvr. thats jus cringe

all his " quirks" would be based on his trauma n life. not a diagnosis.

he's not the good doctor, more dean winchester/the doctor

i dont wanna do some pathetic caricature like sia's music or 2018's the predator movie by shane black

-# Also, i have no intentions on being some ableist mockery, i wont ever lean into or attempt those stereotypes.. i hate that stuff vehemently

[olive stag]

I do wonder though...I kinda wanna make a character whose main thing is that...they're basically Lu Bu. Very backstabby, strong, greedy and easily swayed. But...I dunno how that will translate to being part of the campaign party. I have a feeling they might betray the team and throw a spanner in the works.
Hmm...one way I could fix this issue is if the party knows how fickle their loyalty is and basically pull a Wukong on them by putting something restrictive that would hurt like hell if they try to betray them.

[tiny grove]

I think the DM’s got you on that

[dusty glade]

-# Its just a headcannon of my oc, that is all. Basically i'm kinda pseudo using myself as inspo for my character

[tiny grove]

Just realized my first ever character was the one most similar to me and even he wasn’t very similar to me
Normally in roleplay I play characters that are somewhat like me but I never do in dnd

[limber trail]

Generally it’s not an amazing idea to play a character who is extremely likely to betray the party

[dusty glade]

tbh, not similar perse. more like my edgy oc who i think is cool

[olive stag]

In my case, I like to play a character who is the opposite of me. Makes it more engaging that way.

[dusty glade]

-# i just hope u guys dont think i'm some ableist weirdo tryna larp being "quirky"

[olive stag]

Yeah. But if the DM would give them a good enough reason to have a change of heart for once then it could work. Well, context matters after all. Let's say our character betrayed everyone prior to the campaign because he was strong, naive, didn't know any better, powerful people used him and ambitious conspirators tempted him with greed. And despite doing that for a long time to the point of becoming a pariah and liability, he finds none of the things familiar in that party. He finds trust, respect, companionship and people who don't treat him like a tool of conquest. And despite still having that inner evil voice inside his mind telling him that they aren't any different and that they will betray him...he trust the party and doesn't betray them. Especially if say...something happened that prevented him on relying on his strength as he did before. Boom, you got a somewhat loyal companion who isn't his past self for once.

[limber trail]

I generally think this is a cool idea that won’t work at every table. Talk to your DM. Not every game is gonna give your specific character a reason to have a change of heart, sometimes you need to play a character who already has that heart. If it works then it’s awesome, but if it doesn’t work you can end up with a character more complex than the rest of the campaign which can be a bad experience sometimes

[tender pier]

I think my rules are too big for discord to handle

[dusty glade]

is it a good idea, if we added hydration in game. to remember to drink water irl?

[tender pier]

Or too big to be posted in here

[limber trail]

Hydration is a hazard that exists in 5e. It’s just not a rule that a lot of DMs play with.

[tender pier]

Since it already reached discord limit

[dusty glade]

oh no, as in drinking water in game to remember to do it irl

[still plover]

"Short rest? Everyone take five to stretch."

[tall forge]

Its doable, but generally betraying your party is a bad thing

[dusty glade]

yea obvs that, but the other way would be kinda fun

[tall forge]

You may want to shorten your rules since i aint gonna read all that, and neither will most people

[olive stag]

Will do. This is mostly a future idea. I already talked to a DM and will use a different character for their campaign since it's non homebrew and I wanted to use a village idiot with a big heart as my character (& a mysterious rabbit companion on his nape).
I also got another character who's a changeling homunculus experiment but I'll save that one for future campaigns when I get more accustomed to everything.

[olive stag]

Yep, that's why I plan for them to be wisened up after realizing what he foolishly sacrificed for nothing all these years ago and be on their redemption arc by the time the campaign starts. But even so...even if he thankfully doesn't betray the party...his past will still come back to bite him one way or another.

[dusty glade]

can i, a pc do some casual worldbuilding w items

like, alcohols, medicines n stuff

cuz i hv tons of ideas

[tall forge]

Up to the dm

Some are ok with it, some arent

[dusty glade]

i'm thinking of like a dwarven vodka thats encased in crystals.

[tall forge]

Do you guys think in dnd if you modified memory arcane knowledge into someone, you could make a wizard?

[vale kettle]

In forgotten realms?

[olive stag]

Indeed. I once read on Reddit regarding ideas that got shut down by the DM and the wizard butt skeleton one was definitely the wildest nonsensical one I've heard about.

[tall forge]

Sure, or any interpretation of this spell

[vale kettle]

Id say in FE it would be up to mystra no?

[dusty glade]

i just wanna create cool consumable stuff n trinkets

[tall forge]

Maybe, its not like mystra chooses who uses magic

She has to really be threatened to actually stop anyone from using it

[vale kettle]

She pretty much can

[still plover]

Doesn't look like it'd fall within the scope. "Remember you learnt how to cast a spell?" doesn't convey the ability to do so.

[tall forge]

She can, but she doesnt is the big thing

[olive stag]

Reminds me of the food spell.

[still plover]

Keep your notes.

[dusty glade]

like i'm thinking of a powerful ale made w dragon's sweat or wtvr....

[olive stag]

Dragon Ale? Could work...

[dusty glade]

mind you, he's not actually a drunkard. alcohol cant affect him due to some blessing stuff, he just drinks for the warmth, oddly enough for the taste and for the love of the game

[olive stag]

Noted. So he's got the alcohol numbness trait.

Now here's a fun question.

If you somehow stumbled upon a dragon's hoard and the dragon caught you, what would you do?
I'd personally do the sensible thing (if the rolls allow it) and show them Im no thief before throwing a few coins as tribute. Better to have a friendly dragon/wyvern/drake/any flying lizard with love for gold than a belligerent one.

[exotic wyvern]

does dnd take place on a planet?

if so, immovable rod...
when enabled just get sent flying

[swift wren]

stays in relative position in general, not the universe itself

[exotic wyvern]

relative to what then? the planet?

rod moves, false advertising, i want a full refund

[olive stag]

And so the chat has been swallowed by the wicked dragon called idleness and nothing but silence remained. The end.

[cyan narwhal]

That would be funny to see, like, someone activates It and sees It fly at super speed and be like "wtf"

[limber trail]

50% chance it collides into the planet and something breaks real bad

[exotic wyvern]

the rod would probably break

at some point

[fair summit]

The rod does have a 3000 pound limit, so yeah at some point it would stop or break when it hits something too heavy 😏

[exotic wyvern]

the floor

[cyan narwhal]

Or It could fly towards the SUN

[feral fulcrum]

I do beleive the ground weighs quite a bit more then 3000 pounds

[exotic wyvern]

i impale my enemy with the immovable rod, and push the button

[feral fulcrum]

But perhaps I'm wrong, and the humble horse can move whole continents.

[marble lion]

The rod wouldnt fly like a spear though so it might break quite fast

If it hits anything flat on its gone at that speed

[cyan narwhal]

Is that horse Regigigas by any chance?

[tender pier]

If yall have necromancy or some form of summoning magic irk that allows you to have loyal troops (that are autonomous)

What would you Do with your power?

[marble lion]

What is the wording on the rod
In place?

[exotic wyvern]

how to move your immovable rod!
step 1: activate your magitech™ brand immovable rod.
step 2: grab a bag of holding, place the open end under the rod and move it slowly upwards until the rod dissapears completely, then close the bag
step 3: ask the dm what happens

[marble lion]

I could argue that "in place" means relative, not absolute unmoving

[cyan narwhal]

Good question, but i would most likely use It to summon little summons to help me in my daily life but won't do anything big to not let anyone find out of my abilities or the goverment might get interested in my abilities to build armies

[exotic wyvern]

fun magic item idea: immovable rod but they forgot the button so its just... stuck there

[feral fulcrum]

Something something "Physics Need not Apply", something something Game, Something Something Fun, Something something This Makes the DM Angry.

[exotic wyvern]

magic and gods exist im sure the laws of reality are subject to change

[exotic wyvern]

which judging by the 5 in 5e i think they have quite a bit

[marble lion]

This is really important to mention sometimes

But i think often its completely unnecessary to bring up because a few people are just joking around with a what if that is clearly not intended by the game

And then its also often plain wrong because it will be used to handwave many reasonable thoughts about internal logic of the game because dragon

Blabla dragon exist, nothing should make sense

Pretty bad approach to fiction

[exotic wyvern]

i cast glyph of warding.
:3

[marble lion]

If only

[exotic wyvern]

if only...

magic mouth computer :3

[tender pier]

I have alot of rules in this challenge but too big to fit them here

[cyan narwhal]

Fair enough

[tender pier]

Like granting a 10 square mile pocket dimension

[cyan narwhal]

That would be useful to hide all of my summons

[exotic wyvern]

crow army

[cyan narwhal]

Hold on, would i basically become the shadow monarch from Solo Leveling?

[cyan narwhal]

That's both useful and cool, crows are quite smart

[exotic wyvern]

pocket dimension under my cloak

someone annoys me? CROWS PECK THIS MAN

[cyan narwhal]

Would love to keep talking about this but gotta go to have lunch

[tender pier]

Alright

[exotic wyvern]

if i need money then crows, scour the city, bring me back whatever money you can get your beaks on.

moral? no
cool? yes

[cyan narwhal]

So see ya

[tender pier]

Prepare for the wall of text for the official rule book I have for this

[cyan narwhal]

Noted, lol

Feel free to ping me so i can take my time and read It when i can

[tender pier]

Continuation

So rules
You can pick one type of summoning magic that allows you to create/take/control people

Once you pick a magic class, you will receive mana, basic spells, a spall pocket dimension domain measured in 10 miles (its a 10 miles as in square)

Your mana regenerates overtime, and you can't die from mana exhaustion

You can convert your stamina to mana, and may use any other positive effect (or stimulation effect) for mana

You are free to do whatever you want with your Summons, they will always stay loyal, however they can and will complain or be lazy unless given commands

But they cannot kill you or harm you anyway, directly or indirectly

If you are to give them rewards they will be more
You are granted starting items for each class that you chose

eg necromancer would have a necrotic spellbook

Here are your choices
Druid, Necromancer, Priest/Cleric, Summoner, Psychic controller

However there are weaknesses

General weaknesses

You cannot use any other magic other than your chosen summoning magic

You don't have any offensive nor defensive abilities, other than your troops and your current expertise until your army grows

You need to spend your mana if you want to create more troops

There will be no magic items that you can use early on other than your own magic

Your troops will be less effective if you do not treat them correctly

(If they aren't being rewarded the level of effectiveness will go down)

Troops will also have morale, can feel pain, sentient, etc

They also inhabit a part of your personality and mentality

(Example, if your insane they will inhabit part of your insanity However they are still trained)

(However physical Weaknesses or streghts will not be inhabited)

Benefits

Loyal troops
troops always know where u are
Basic training
Always spawn (with medieval type armor (more stronger, can handle rifle rounds and shrapnel)
Autonomous and loyal

If magic is druid they will be more tanks same for psychic

[tender pier]

Reason for the pocket dimension os that it will be way to easy to kill the necromancer/summoner irl

[still plover]

This might be better as a link to a document rather than text in a channel, and #homebrew.

[tiny grove]

Yeahhhh, it's a fantasy world, I can play myself irl too 🔥

[tiny grove]

Holy chat block

[surreal trellis]

Hi

[jovial shadow]

DND doesn't have mana. Just saying

[surreal trellis]

I'm newer to D&D and I know how it works but I still need some help with the numbers and stuff

So quiet. Ok

[tender pier]

oh...

[severe rampart]

the hell campaign are you in? or is this play by post

[eager marsh]

play by post technically wouldn't have 'sessions'

[vernal owl]

I wonder how dnd pvp would work since most people would know how to counter specific classes

[severe rampart]

Roleplay and not metagaming

[tender pier]

@cyan narwhal you did say im allowed to ping so

[vernal owl]

Makes sense

[tender pier]

i think with a bit of tweaking, it can become like a war game of sorts?

[worn lagoon]

whoever rolls higher init wins probably

[open moss]

what if i craft a Mitsubishi air conditioner and throw it at the boss because im a barbarian

his done for

[vale sage]

Wazzup y'all!

[severe rampart]

And whoever the dice god loves

[worn lagoon]

bg3 pvp was fun

[radiant night]

GOOOOOOOOD MORNING VIETNAM

[radiant night]

I'm losing then

[knotty vine]

Idk why but whenever play dnd game I have yet to fail a con check

[humble cairn]

Ooh you shouldn't have mentioned it, the dice will hear you and get self conscious.

[knotty vine]

Wait not check save

[knotty vine]

No you just can’t say it out loud

[severe rampart]

I seem to have messed with the wrong wizard merchant... I should've known not to try and scam him

[tall forge]

I taught your dice how to read

[knotty vine]

WHAT

HOW COULD YOU

[rugged hawk]

Well, it all began when humans mistook the meaning of 'impossible' to be 'a challenge', then 2026 happened.

[knotty vine]

I’m I cooked

[worn lagoon]

It's fine, you still have thirty days

[fast latch]

What did the wizard do to you?

[severe rampart]

Oh it's nothing... probably

We'll kill that wizard anyhow

[worn lagoon]

They had a budget of 2500g and there was a ring of spell storing they REALLY wanted.

[severe rampart]

I mean, I got a side quest, surely the bearer of the magic item that grants you 23 strength is stronger than that wizard fella

[worn lagoon]

Anyway, they struck a deal, but if Echo doesn't fulfill his side of the deal (bring him a magic item he asked for from avernus) in thirty days, he's losing the finger wearing that ring

[severe rampart]

(the ring isn't stuck to my finger, I'm taking it off when my waterskins are about to run out)

[worn lagoon]

I have absolutely zero faith in your ability to keep track of time

[severe rampart]

psshhhh it's fine

[rugged hawk]

Nonsense, it's super easy to have faith in humanity. Barely an inconvenience. The trick is to have faith that they'll screw everything up in the worst ways possible at the worst times. You'll never find your faith misplaced.

[severe rampart]

I lost 30 hp from snails

I think that speaks a lot about me

[worn lagoon]

you are so real for this

[severe rampart]

I think they're an Echo, and in fact, not real

[worn lagoon]

didn't you go from 67 to 18

[rugged hawk]

My mama always told me that sharing is caring, so now you can share my existential dread.

[severe rampart]

I would've gotten to 18 if those opportunity attacks hit

I am sitting at a comfortable 37 hp

[worn lagoon]

those bone whelks were 1/4 CR each, I'm surprised you managed to get this hurt from five of them, with a lv8 party

[severe rampart]

I didn't take much damage when I figured out the gimmick

[rugged hawk]

Shoulda thrown a blue-ring octopus in among those whelks, no survivors

[worn lagoon]

thanks for the ideas teehee

[inner silo]

Can warlocks send souls of their victims to their patrons? Or can patrons collect souls from those their warlocks kill?

[rugged hawk]

Well, technically, there is an option that sort of covers that

[inner silo]

What is it?

[rugged hawk]

Dark Bargain, Hand of Death. Has the Cling to Life feature.
Cling to Life. When you have 0 Hit Points at the start of your turn, or when you die, you can instead choose to regain a number of Hit Points equal to half your maximum. Once you use this feature, you can’t use it again. After using it, whenever you regain Hit Points through any means, you gain only half that amount. Once a Humanoid (other than you) dies within 30 feet of you, you regain the use of this feature, and you can regain Hit Points as normal.

[atomic moat]

by RAW they don't have that ability, but given the minimal impact on game mechanics I'd allow it as a DM for specific patrons

[severe rampart]

that sounds awesome

[burnt valley]

Fullcasters dominate since they'll most likely be winning initiative, however, it isn't a good idea nor a good metric as to how good the build is

[uncut zenith]

You could always ask to use a hellfire weapon and ask to reflavor it so the soul goes directly to your patron instead of becoming a lemure and crawling out of the River Styx

[inner silo]

Alrighty, thanks! Would you add some sort of a ritual they have to complete to send the soul to their patron or just anything killed using abilities gifted by their patron?

[severe rampart]

when the bard pulls out the quickened metamagic Conjure Minor Elementals and hits you with a level 9 upcasted scorching ray

[severe rampart]

I know won't work cuz leveled spell yada yada, then Eldritch Blast

[burnt valley]

Gather resources, use Control Undead on a Nightwalker if possible and start hoarding magic items

[rugged hawk]

Actually, I made it even better. I tied its abilities to the warlock's Pact Item and proficiency bonus. As long as the warlock is explicitly killing for Cling to Life's payment using their Pact Item, they can 'store' the soul for later use (up to their prof bonus) to avoid CtL's cooldown and debuffed healing. HOWEVER, if they lose their Pact Item, they also lose their 'stored' souls to pay with.

[severe rampart]

very rare for them to lose pact item then

[radiant night]

So uh

I got caught in a small twister this weekend

[severe rampart]

I think I'll have my finger chopped off by a wizard for not paying him

[atomic moat]

Yeah that would work, it have to be a bonus spell given to the warlock by the patron, not have to have a warlock take it as a spells known.

[rugged hawk]

It turns their Pact Item into a sort of phylactery, along with a potential target for theft, disintegration, etc.

Also, their patron may simply revoke it if they're not behaving correctly or whatever

[severe rampart]

"yuck! what is this?, evil souls? I specifically asked for souls of pure individuals!"

[inner silo]

So just giving them an additional spell, that lets them send the persons soul to the patron? Would it be used after the persons death as a reaction or just a full ritual, or would it have to be used before their death?

[rugged hawk]

Well, it also provokes conflict because then they're always gonna be tempted to murder in exchange for prolonged life, which could draw them into all kinds of trouble and maybe set up a new BBEG.

[atomic moat]

full ritual that has to be cast within a certain period after the death, say a half hour.

[inner silo]

Thanks for the help!

Also i feel like an evil/neutral warlock having a good patron could be very funny

[severe rampart]

inherently evil character that wants to change and found solace in their patron

they're getting better, just at a very slow pace

[tall forge]

Paladin Durge moment

[worn lagoon]

oathbreaker durge my beloved

[inner silo]

Something like that

Or even a genuinely evil person who made the pact out of desperation and now has no choice but to stop being a murder hobo and be a law abiding citizen

[minor cargo]

Started my work day and it has become clear that I'll be playing the game "Is my (gym) injury bad enough to cancel D&D?" haha.

[dusty glade]

could a warlock who's patron is basically a foster mom, work?

like he was raised by a demon or something

and now she gives him powers to protect him?

[halcyon bison]

I don’t see why not

[tall forge]

Anything can work, if the dm is ok with it

[minor cargo]

I lot of people play warlock patrons as a parental figure. For me, I prefer patrons to be a little more... estranged and alien, but yeah, it can totally work!

[dusty glade]

warlock husband w patron wife would be fun and oddly sweet too

[buoyant oar]

I try to find a happy medium there where either the Warlock thinks they are parental or the patron exudes that feeling but they absolutely are not that thing.

[rugged hawk]

Right up til he finds out she's a super yandere who's the reason for everything that drove him to make a pact

[tall forge]

So whats the problem

[rugged hawk]

Uhhhhh.... that she made him miserable just for her own desires?

[tall forge]

I said whats the problem

[dusty glade]

yeah, or she didnt care about him and saw as him as a tool until she found out he was her dead lover reincarnated.

[severe rampart]

I am very thankful for my first party, they seem to be really invested in my campaign, as a new DM

[severe rampart]

finding out new stuff about peach

[tall forge]

If you dont want a lover willing to ruin lives to be with you, do you want a lover at all?

[rugged hawk]

That's all well and good until it's ruining my life.