dnd-discussion

[echo meteor]

it’s both, even if they beat the 15… if the monster has over 15 passive perception, it still sees it… unless they rolled higher

15 is the floor now

[marble lion]

I know thats why i said "its minimum for both"

[jovial shadow]

You need a 15 to hide. If you roll a 19, then they need a 19 perception check to find you

[marble lion]

Minimum means lowest possible

[echo meteor]

if they have 20 passive perception, they’ll see u regardless

or atleast know you are there, if you are invisible

[marble lion]

Can only be hidden if you rolled 15 or up, which means the dc to spot people will be minimum 15
Actually how do ties play out with this

[echo meteor]

you meet it to beat it

[marble lion]

Usually i can tell but in this interaction make sense

[jovial shadow]

Maybe but your Stealth check is your Dex modifier and proficiency bonuses, so if you roll a 21 stealth check, and they roll a 20. They don't know you are there.

[marble lion]

Yes but who meets what?
I guess perception has to meet stealth then?

[jovial shadow]

I just told you

[echo meteor]

yep, stealth would be the dc

[echo meteor]

i was just talking about passive perception

i know that about normal perception

15 dc floor i find is silly though… every time someone says “i want to be sneaky” it’s DC15 MINIMUM

[jovial shadow]

You still have to be either heavily obscured or behind at least 3/4 cover though

[echo meteor]

id normally just look at who has the highest passive perception and use that number

[echo meteor]

not arguing abt that

just the dumb “dc15 minimum”

[marble lion]

I just let people stealth without any nu.ber tbh

If youre sneaking behind a wall and there is noise around, you shouldnt be spotted unless someone consciously tries to spot you imo

I like my narrative nuance

Stealth as a skill check and to me skill checks are the most narratively dependant rolls in dnd

Sometimes its impossible, sometimes you get success without rolling, sometimes you get adv etc

[echo meteor]

yaa, i only let them roll when theres a danger of being discovered… but in 2024, the floor for being discovered is dc15

they really nerfed rogues hard in 2024 lol

they need to roll higher than 15 if they want to hide… and no more surprised condition for ambush

[lavish flame]

Pickle, you ever play with these rules? As long as a Rogue is sensible about what location they're attempting to hide in, they hide just as fine

Also Surprised was never a condition, also it still exists

[echo meteor]

i mean they get the chance to roll, the dc they need to meet just higher than in 2014

[echo meteor]

it was a condition in 2014

its not a condition anymore in 2024, they scrapped it

[lavish flame]

It was never a condition. This is what the 5e PHB says about Surprised:

The DM determines who might be surprised. If neither side tries to be stealthy, they automatically notice each other. Otherwise, the DM compares the Dexterity (Stealth) checks of anyone hiding with the passive Wisdom (Perception) score of each creature on the opposing side. Any character or monster that doesn’t notice a threat is surprised at the start of the encounter.

If you’re surprised, you can’t move or take an action on your first turn of the combat, and you can’t take a reaction until that turn ends. A member of a group can be surprised even if the other members aren’t.
Notably, this is found in Chapter 9: Combat, and not Appendix A: Conditions. Its part of the rules around Initiative and the Order of Combat.
Here's the 5.5e PHB:
Surprise. If a combatant is surprised by combat starting, that combatant has Disadvantage on their Initiative roll. For example, if an ambusher starts combat while hidden from a foe who is unaware that combat is starting, that foe is surprised.
Neither of these are conditions.

[echo meteor]

hmm it reads like a condition

[lavish flame]

you gotta get serious man

conditions come in bullet pointed lists. thats just a regular degular rule

[echo meteor]

lol sure it’s “technically” not a “condition” (ingame term) but it’s still a condition that they have

in a more layman term

i confused it for a condition cause it read like one

well, it doesnt really make much difference majority of the time

[remote wadi]

So let me get this straight

In addition to having someone else need to fail a save/ability check, I also need to succeed in the unarmed strike to grapple?

[fathom path]

Would. 2024 divine soul sorcerer be like as a healer compared to a cleric?

[rough basalt]

Yes

Least for 2024 I don't remember for 2014

[spiral dew]

what would yall do if you got into a dungeon and your dm was like "alright guys this is the cunningulus dungeon of cunninuguling"

[halcyon forum]

you dont roll to hit on your unarmed strike if you grapple. you just have them make a save

[halcyon forum]

thats not correct. you dont roll to hit if you attempt a grapple

[rough basalt]

Oh right

Man, my rule remembering been off

Oh mightve been mixing it with when you have the new grappler feat

Since you can roll to attack for damage and grapple the target once per turn.

[halcyon forum]

I would say similar to any non-life cleric in terms of effectiveness

[halcyon forum]

fair, though even then the grapple happening is not dependant on you hitting the attack roll too

[rough basalt]

Yeah. Brain not working lately

[remote wadi]

Okay, one other question

Why do 2024 backgrounds feel a bit terrible

Like, they feel way too constricting once you actually want to look for something

[still plover]

Because the ability score modifiers should have been suggestions?

[remote wadi]

Like, I think there should have been some freedom in which you do instead of a requirement

[still plover]

Heck, I think custom backgrounds should have been the default and the listed ones just suggested premade packs.

[remote wadi]

As an example, wayfarer. Thematically, would work well with a Pugilist

Only that's more fitting of an actual criminal than someone who went through hard times

[still plover]

You can always ignore the flavour text.

[remote wadi]

No, that is also just what the background gives

Stealth? Thieves tools? Dex and Chr as 2 of the boosted stats?

[lavish flame]

With Origin Feats conceptually, its shocking that they don't have this already. Literally just having Backgrounds be "Choose 2 Skill Proficiencies, a tool proficiency, an Origin Feat, and you get X gold" could've been easily done

[remote wadi]

It's a shame you can't pick and choose each part. Can't even find one that just gives Tough, Str and Con, and then whatever for the next 2

[rough basalt]

Farmer.

[lavish flame]

yeah, Farmer can do that for you

I kinda wish Forgotten Reapms and Eberron had the "What Background gives you what ASI?" table that the PHB has.

[rough basalt]

The backgrounds aren't perfect but I've found it's pretty easy to adapt

Someone grows up on a farm, reason to leave, then they pick up the skillset that leads to their adventuring life.

[jovial badger]

i wish more backgrounds gave ASI

[lavish flame]

yeah tbh I don't actually have a problem with 2024 Backgrounds. I like that they give Origin Feats. I just think its a real missed opportunity to not include the Custom Backround thing from 5e in 5.5e

[rough basalt]

It was an adaptation that started later in 5es life cycle

Or wait nah I meant background feats

God my brain is not working.

[jovial badger]

like theres 1 background that gives cha. ONE!

[rough basalt]

Ig they kinda worked toward it though with later species just getting +2 and 1 in anything and Tashas custom origin

[rough basalt]

Yeah I agree the custom background rules should've been in the phb.

As like a "if your dm allows it, you can do this"

[lavish flame]

They were in 5e's PHB, idk why they aren't in 5.5e's PHB or DMG.

[rough basalt]

The custom background rules are in the dmg unless '14s were different

[lavish flame]

5e and 5.5 have rules for it, but they're kinda... they feel DM-facing

[jovial badger]

also whats railroading?

[lavish flame]

it doesn't feel its "you get to create any Background" and more feels like "this is how you homebrew a background"

[rough basalt]

I mean isn't creating any background that WotC hasn't homebrew?

[rough basalt]

Term for when a game is linear and the dm doesn't allow player choices to matter

Or the adventure book doesn't allow for it

[lavish flame]

yeah but like.. its not homebrew to use the Custom Lineage thing. in my mind, thats what would feel less DM-facing to me. if it was a system unto itself and not advice

[rough basalt]

Like in Tyranny of Dragon's there's a chapter where the DM has to force the party to basically get on the rails and choochoo along very boringly

[jovial badger]

ah.

[rough basalt]

CL was often treated as "I wanna be variant human without being human" which may have been why it wasn't reprinted.

[jovial badger]

this. this is the mentality.

[rough basalt]

Like obviously I can only speak from my experiences but I'd never seen anyone pick CL that wasn't cause "I want a feat and darkvision"

[lavish flame]

when a Dungeon Master shoots down good ideas and contributions for no good reason, thats railroading. when a player cannot make meaningful change in a game's story, thats railroading. its when a DM puts the players onto one path, their path, regardless of what the players want or choose.

[rough basalt]

Sometimes the term is misused too

Either by bad players who get mad when the DM says no to negative antics or when a DM runs a linear game in general.

[lavish flame]

i might suggest it gets misused more than it does accurately get used

[rough basalt]

Probably, I wouldn't debate that lol

Most adventure books have linear aspects that get called railroading too

When very often it's not the case.
Tyranny of Dragons/Hoard of the Dragon Queen Chapter 4 is one of the cases where it's absolutely the truth

The writers went "all aboard ! Chuga Chuga chuga Choo choo!" When they wrote it (it wasn't wotc)

[jovial badger]

so im running my first ever session as a dm next week (one shot) and there kinda is a clear path through the one shot. is that bad?

[rough basalt]

One shots should be linear

[lavish flame]

Probably all of them do, just by their nature. When the group agrees to play Icewind Dale: Rime of the Frostmaiden, you can't just up and leave the Icewind Dale.

[rough basalt]

Can't do Tomb of Annihilation if you won't go to Chult.

[jovial badger]

ah thank you guys!

[lavish flame]

Nah a one shot is kinda a different story. You're likely to prepare much more than a party can actually get through in a given session, so "moving the party along" in any way is appreciable.

[rough basalt]

But there's a line between "yeah that's expected" and "why is this whole chapter just players riding the metaphorical train while the dm makes train noises"

It's kinda funny how chapter 4 of ToD makes the whole thing infamous.

[jovial badger]

so for my one shot i have them meet in a desert tavern, they go through the desert to the tribe's mines (which a tyrant has captured), they infiltrate the guard outpost, go into the mines, and defeat the tyrant

[lavish flame]

Usually, with a one-shot, you prep 1 or 2 locations and 1 or 2 encounters and thats enough for like 4 hours of play. My last one-shot was a prison break, all I did was prep a prison, the only encounters I prepped were skill challenges. Probably the best one shot I've ever ran.

[rough basalt]

My one shots are usually five room dungeons.

Cause I'm not very good at making and running one shots

My stuttering issues can get in the way of a time crunch.

[jovial badger]

ah.

[lavish flame]

I just steal from adventure books I own. I did Prisoner 13 from Golden Vault for the prison break

[rough basalt]

Two of my three TPKs were in one shots too

[rough basalt]

Ah.
I remember remaking that prisons maps in dungeondraft for another game I planned on running

[jovial badger]

oh i really dont want a tpk

[rough basalt]

Wasn't 1 to 1 but pretty decent, sucks I never used them.

[jovial badger]

the only enemies are just guards and my boss

level 4 campaign, party of 4-5 players

my boss is just a level 6 barbarian with boosted health and a very magical axe

[rough basalt]

Well this was due to player incompetency. I've played in a lot of one shots and haven't seen one so it's not common I'd say.

[thick lotus]

In what I’m trying to do I hope I don’t end up doing so

[rough basalt]

Just happens when you build encounters for a party of so and so size and one or two PCs aren't PCs

[lavish flame]

ay man, u might do it. its a one shot, you might need to. its no big deal, the D&D police won't blow you up for railroading in ur first one shot. you won't get visited by the ghost of D&D past, present and future. just enjoy your session with ur buds, don't think too hard about it

[severe rampart]

Hey y'all, anyone else here use the DnD Beyond Roll 20 extension?, I've got a question and I think my players have been fudging their dice rolls using something

[noble tusk]

Yeah me and my players have been using it for a while

[severe rampart]

right, well, I just found out that there's this template you can enter into the chat and it'll display itself as a legit roll, however when you hover your mouse over it the calculation doesn't show, so they input the outcome of the dice roll by themself

Usually it wouldn't be bad, but when you roll and it displays on roll20, it wont show up in the "game log" of the campaign in DnD beyond

[noble tusk]

Yeah if I recall correctly, there is a way to prevent the rolls from going to the VTT or campaign by cancelling the roll also there are a slew of "custom modifiers" on the extension. Unfortunately I don't think there is a way to limit the extension to be wholly legit. I would speak to the player/s about this and if they don't tow the line you'll probably have to give them the boot fr.

[severe rampart]

Definitely, also this just means I'll just switch back to Owlbear, can't fudge rolls there!

[feral fulcrum]

Fudging rolls ruins the fun of things

I don't get why people do it, Players, anyway, I get why DM's would do it.

(Because it sucks to go "Woops immediately crit and killed a player right off the bat...")

[limber trail]

I think it’s not amazing for either. For players it’s outright cheating. For DMs, I do think it’s usually cheating and if you’re ever found out it does ruin the integrity of the game. That said I do understand why it’s done

[rough basalt]

Same here.

If the first roll of the campaign is a max damage crit on a level 1 wizard it's a canon event

[hot gate]

I roll open and I find that the occasional "unfair" roll is offset by the knowledge that every roll is real and has an impact.

The players know I can't take it back

[rough basalt]

You fudge it and you see in your eyes "with this characters salvation, the thread of prophecy has been severed. Fudge the next roll into a max damage crit to restore the weave of fate or persist in the doomed campaign you have created."
For clarity, this is a joke based off the morrowind message when you kill an important npc.

[drifting zodiac]

Hello it's me again and I found some solo DND toolbox and yes watching videos about how to play dnd
Question how is your experience with online vc DnD sessions?

[still plover]

Fine generally. Make sure you've got a few minutes to get everyone's audio levels adjusted, use push to talk if you don't have a quiet background, you're good to go. As a DM, I find I'm calling character names a lot more often than in a face to face game - nobody can see who you're speaking to.

[rough basalt]

Ye mic quality is important. Push to talk if it's not good enough. Or push to mute.

[marble lion]

Bad mic is rough for dnd

[rough basalt]

I'll leave games or remove people with too bad of mics.

[marble lion]

Or with their entire household in the same room F

[rough basalt]

I get physically sick if the mic is like astronomically bad

Like I'm talking like screeching, and other broken mic noises.

[hot gate]

My main upside is speed of mechanical information, such as dice rolls, bonus calculations and feature text display with links.

Main downside is communication in general. People need to wait for each other to finish and microphones matter as mentioned.

[rough basalt]

I remember there was a game I joined I wanted to stay in but a guys broken mic was just constantly screeching and other noises and he wouldn't mute it that it gave me an actual fear of the next session.

[knotty vine]

How bad does a mic have to be to effect you irl lmao

[drifting zodiac]

I should buy a mic

[drifting zodiac]

That screeching sounds

[hot gate]

I'm quite sensitive to extraneous information from mics, it doesn't have to be much tbh.

[knotty vine]

I literally just use my quest headset is a microphone when I’m lazy

[rough basalt]

Screeching like a Banshee Wail, or very loud BEEP and BOOPing

[knotty vine]

Mic so bad it’s giving you debuffs

[drifting zodiac]

Ear puncture

[severe rampart]

So do I!, High pitched noises, especially from mics get my ears to start ringing

[hot gate]

That does also sound annoying yeah, but for me it's mostly stuff like people forgetting to mute themselves and/or not having noise suppression on when they eat something.

[marble lion]

I wonder if everyone thought the same and left and you could have just all stuck together without that person, or gotten him to get a good mic

[knotty vine]

Bear

[marble lion]

I cant believe this server has an emoji of the bear

That is crazy

[severe rampart]

I can't be bothered to download the discord app on my desktop, so I don't mute, but I do have a fairly high noise suppression

[marble lion]

Could have picked any animal that isnt in a scene that is very very weird

[hot gate]

Just any animal wouldn't have been Halsin

[marble lion]

Could use his face for a halsin emoji

There is actually a halsin emoji too

[knotty vine]

Hal my beloved

[marble lion]

Hmmmmm

[remote wadi]

Quick question

2024 Lucky, can luck point be used after roll, but before outcome?

[hot gate]

2024 lucky is used to gain advantage or impose disadvantage, so it needs to be specified before you roll.

[humble cairn]

The Lucky Feat is used before the roll, Heroic Inspiration is used after. Also technically a #dnd-rules question, for future reference.

[covert berry]

so which is better ioun stone of mastery or cloak of displacement

[marble lion]

That is technically #optimization i think

[humble cairn]

They do very different things.

[covert berry]

i know

[humble cairn]

So it's hard to compare.

[covert berry]

for a gloomstalker

[feral fulcrum]

Depends on what you're aiming for.

[humble cairn]

As a Gloomstalker, if you can stay in darkness the Cloak of Displacement is redundant.

[feral fulcrum]

But the Ion Stone is like, the only PB increasing item in the game, so I'd definitely take it over the Cloak

[humble cairn]

I took the Stone of Mastery on my Ranger and it's a nice benefit. It's one of those boring but effective choices, like the Defense Fighting Style.

[rough basalt]

Yeah it made the session unbearable, I was on the verge of tears near the end.

[knotty vine]

All the strong feats got nerfed in 24

[jovial badger]

some got buffed

[severe rampart]

Lucky... 💔

[rough basalt]

Lucky is better imo

[severe rampart]

I know, but it feels better to cancel a natural 1 naturally (if that makes sense)

[rough basalt]

What

[severe rampart]

it's more versatile, that's for sure

[severe rampart]

rolls nat 1 automatic reroll, doesn't have to spend one of three(?) luck points on it

[rough basalt]

I'm pretty sure that's halflings

[severe rampart]

Oh luck points is equal to proficiency bonus

[severe rampart]

Yeah, weird, it has the same name iirc?

Halfling Luck and then the Lucky Feat

[rough basalt]

Don't remember in '14 but in '24 it's just Luck

[severe rampart]

ahh, I see

[knotty pasture]

Halfling with the Lucky feat

[severe rampart]

Oh, my, I've been getting so used to humans getting the actual feats and not racial feats that I forgot the halfling's lucky feat is a racial feat and not the lucky feat

[rough basalt]

The feats that got nerfed kinda had it coming cause it was "alright most feats are useless while some are way too damn good"

[severe rampart]

Sounds like my type of halfling

[knotty pasture]

Tbf they should have changed the name slightly

[rough basalt]

And adding onto the '14 feats not giving ASIs till the Tashas ones.

[knotty vine]

In 14 you could use lucky to remove disadvantage

[knotty pasture]

They are both called Lucky for some reason

[severe rampart]

"Lucky" and "Lucky"

[knotty pasture]

Could have been Fortune and Lucky instead

[rough basalt]

You can use '24 lucky to gain advantage canceling it out.

[severe rampart]

mechanically the same

[knotty vine]

Yeah but that’s before the roll this is after

Not to mention old lucky stacked with advantage

[humble cairn]

Lucky '14 let you roll again, but didn't remove Disadvantage, which was bad for Rogues.

[rough basalt]

Before the roll and you get more tokens seems like a fair trade off.

[knotty vine]

At level 11?

[humble cairn]

Lucky '14 also gave you Super Advantage when you had Disadvantage, which was unintended.

[knotty vine]

It felt pretty intentional

[severe rampart]

super advantage? what happened if you were also a halfling? super super advantage?

[rough basalt]

2014 was heavily rushed. More than likely something that felt intentional wasn't

[humble cairn]

New Lucky is designed better. Heroic Inspiration has now been put in the "oh crap, I rolled bad and need to roll again" spot.

[severe rampart]

Humans babyy

[drifting zodiac]

So luck is a stat?

[knotty vine]

It’s a feat

[severe rampart]

Lucky or Lucky

[rough basalt]

The 2014 dev cycle was just constant "Oh God! screaming as the office was in flames

[knotty pasture]

A feat and a racial trait

[humble cairn]

No, but what it means is that if you had Disadvantage Lucky '14 allowed you to roll again and choose whichever of the three results you wanted.

[knotty pasture]

Same name different effects

[severe rampart]

Lucky The Feat gives you luck points that is equal to prof bonus

Lucky the racial feat automatically rerolls natural 1

[knotty vine]

Halfling luck

Not lucky

[severe rampart]

Super Super Advantage because if you roll a natural 1 on any of those three rolls you can reroll them too(?)

[rough basalt]

Then you had Bountiful Luck halfling species feat that let you reroll allies 1s at the cost of losing your own for a round.

[humble cairn]

So mechanically if you had Lucky '14 it was better for you to have Disadvantage sometimes, leading to things like "I'm going to close my eyes for this shot, blinding myself."

[drifting zodiac]

Bilbo type of luck

[knotty vine]

Or you could do warlock elven acc to get super super advantage

[humble cairn]

Yeah, shenanigans. New Lucky is better.

[knotty vine]

Hex blade/pact of the blade and elven accuracy is still sillyness in a nutshell

[humble cairn]

It was not, the devs wrote about it.

[severe rampart]

"Halfling Lucky (or simply "Lucky") is the officially correct name for the racial trait in D&D 5e that allows rerolling 1s. While commonly referred to as "Halfling Luck" in conversation, the, trait is listed as "Lucky" in the Player’s Handbook. Note that this is different from the "Lucky" feat"

[knotty vine]

So halfling luck

[rough basalt]

Always gotta remember
The 2024 corebooks are the result of the devs wanting to fix the mistakes they made with the originals and build upon what they learned.

[knotty vine]

I’ve never heard someone call it lucky

[severe rampart]

I'm saying it could be both, since you said "not lucky", it's correct to call it lucky, and correcting someone for saying "lucky" is not necessary

[knotty vine]

Still angry they removed half orcs and elves only for them to get added in later

[cyan narwhal]

Lol i open the chat and the first thing i saw was "so halfling lick"

[feral fulcrum]

Lick the hafling

[rough basalt]

That's cause they're their own people in those settings.

[knotty vine]

Are they not there own people what ever setting 2024 is

[severe rampart]

Well now you have, new experiences, crazy aint it?

[knotty vine]

What is the 2024 setting

[humble cairn]

They always made me a bit uncomfortable and I agree with the reasoning that they were not moving forward with them.

[rough basalt]

In Eberron, Khoravar are specifically human and elven descendants iirc

[humble cairn]

There isn't a specific one, it's a multiversal assumption.

[knotty vine]

Are we still FR?

[feral fulcrum]

It doesn't have one, technically. Same as 2014,

[rough basalt]

And the half orcs are same deal.

[humble cairn]

The Khoravar themselves say they aren't half anything.

[feral fulcrum]

Though 2014 was basically just perma Forgotten Realms

[rough basalt]

They're basically like Breton.

[humble cairn]

I think OG 2014 was Faerun.

[feral fulcrum]

(The least forgotten realms.)

[knotty vine]

I always thought 2014 was just in forgotten realms until stated otherwise

[rough basalt]

Descendents of Half-Elves

[feral fulcrum]

It was treated that way, but wasn't explicitly. IIRC.

[humble cairn]

There's no need to specifically have a special mechanic for those specific combination of multi heritage peoples, as opposed to any other.

[knotty vine]

One main change I don’t like is to magic aura

How did oversimplification of a spell buff it

[rough basalt]

I remember I saw a post on how to "do half species right" and boy

[humble cairn]

And the writing for the Half Elf and Half Orc were problematic in a few ways.

[rough basalt]

It was basically like a Sims character creator

[knotty vine]

Find traps is still an awful spell as it should be

[humble cairn]

I really liked what they did in UA. Describe your heritage as part of your lore, pick the species with the mechanics that fits best.

[rough basalt]

"Alright for half Elves we take this trait, and that trait, then human origin feat for the extra feat"

[feral fulcrum]

"Traps exist" "Where?" "Secret" "Like, in the room, in a mile, in existence in general?" "S E C R E T"

[knotty vine]

But again my only big glaring issue with 24 is it being too wargammy

[rough basalt]

Min-maxing your bloodline by mixing species traits wouldn't have gone well I don't think

[humble cairn]

Yeah no, blood quantum and all that.

[knotty vine]

3.5e/ pathfinder all over again

[knotty pasture]

Half Orcs are still shafted iirc

[feral fulcrum]

The blood is both inside and outside your body until otherwise observed?

[knotty pasture]

Its just Half Elves (renamed to Khoravar)

[rough basalt]

"I'm 1/4 Orc for savage critical, 1/4 human for feat, 1/4 Wood Elf for movement speed, spells and darkvision, and 1/4 aasimar for resistances."

[humble cairn]

Google the term, it's a historical term about how people tried to measure relatedness for basically racist reasons.

[knotty vine]

I’m surprised humans got buffed

[feral fulcrum]

That's really just an Eberon Specific thing.

[rough basalt]

Not necessarily
They just put variant human and human together

[humble cairn]

Who again themselves say they are not half anything.

[knotty pasture]

I think the whole lineage thing was a limited version of messing with bloodlines in a way that showcased how bad of an idea it could be

[harsh elk]

one hell of a message to walk in on after not being here a while

[knotty pasture]

Dhampirs can fly if their previous race had unconditional flight for example

[feral fulcrum]

Ah.

[knotty vine]

Yeah but they made an entire “feat” category called origin feats

[severe rampart]

Would be an insane backstory to have

[knotty vine]

It used to just be normal feats and and prerequisite feats

[rough basalt]

Origin feats are nice

[knotty vine]

Then they added origin feats to balance out VH

They stole the idea from background feats from Ruined and rewarded

[rough basalt]

Shouldn't have been able to get normal feats at level 1 just for being a Vhuman, or Custom Lineage known as Vhuman with Darkvision

[rough basalt]

No that's when they tested the idea and choices for setting agnostic origin feats and they kept it for 2024

[humble cairn]

Which limits the Feat a human can pick to reasonable levels.

[obtuse stratus]

When said that way it sounds like someone is trying to breed pets

[knotty vine]

Stolen 🗣️

[rough basalt]

That's like saying CoD stole from Black Ops 1 when they put Black Ops 1 characters in Black Ops 2 which takes place in the same continuity.

[humble cairn]

Right, this is why it's uncomfortable and I'm glad they didn't try to go that way.

[knotty vine]

Also kinda prefer ruined/reward since you get a selection of 3 rather then just a preset one

Are ruined and rewarded from like.. uh what’s it called

[rough basalt]

Book of Many Things

[knotty vine]

Yeah

[rough basalt]

They were backgrounds associated with having used the Deck of Many Things

[knotty vine]

That’s kinda true

[rough basalt]

Like Ruined drew the Ruin card so you lost everything

[knotty vine]

It gave you 3 examples one having been apart of the deck

[rough basalt]

But you can't steal from yourself, least not unironically.

[knotty vine]

Everything was going so well! You had a life of luxury, love, and comfort when you suddenly lost it all. Perhaps you were framed for crimes you didn’t commit and lost your reputation, fortune, and career. Maybe a rampaging dragon or another monster wiped out everything you had in a single calamitous afternoon. Or you might have sought out a Deck of Many Thing

It can literally be as simple as monster attacked my village and now I went revenge

[rough basalt]

That'd be like my past self calling current me a thief cause I'm using the lore channels he wrote to expand on it.

[static nest]

what races form 5e have get cantrip or spells in general?

[rough basalt]

Elves, Tiefs

[marble lion]

We're all thieves, you hit it on the head

[knotty vine]

Tielflings

[rough basalt]

I think Gnomes get something

[knotty vine]

My favorite race

I know yuan ti get spell casting

Also turns out there’s 2 player races that are immune to damage

[rough basalt]

Tbf that's along the lines of any '24 core background as well

[knotty vine]

Now how the hell would that work with a hermit

[rough basalt]

"Monster ruined my shack in the woods"

[knotty vine]

You don’t even have a place to call home

[marble lion]

Yes you do

[rough basalt]

Monster stepped on a rabbit I like

[marble lion]

A hermit still lives somewhere no?

[knotty vine]

Doomslayer…

[marble lion]

Though i would assume they care more about an item, a rabbit or a shrine

Not their little tent

"Burnt down the woods i lived in"

Every background has something to lose

[knotty vine]

Another thing is the lack of items you stet out with

[marble lion]

Why does that matter

[feral fulcrum]

hums Wherever I May Roam

[knotty vine]

Cause I prefer to start out with a sword and shield rather then two swords

[rough basalt]

Like the last Noble I made is an adventurer cause she didn't wanna be married off. And the skilled feat made sense for a noble cause nobles have more access to tutors to teach them stuff.

[marble lion]

Is that a big problem

[rough basalt]

Can always just ask the dm

[knotty vine]

I do enjoy shopping sessions

[marble lion]

I just custom backgrounds so in 24 id just let you pick whatever probably

[rough basalt]

Long as it's not a Pistol or Musket they're asking to start with, no reason to not allow some weapon alterations.

[knotty vine]

Plate armor

[marble lion]

Or a background fits and we just rename it in flavour to match

[rough basalt]

50 dollars

[knotty vine]

I prefer half plate anyway

[rough basalt]

30 dollars

[marble lion]

40 dollars

27 dollars

[knotty vine]

Wait no

Breast plate

[rough basalt]

20

[marble lion]

Youre telling me a breast fried this plate

[rough basalt]

You want that non-disadvantage medium? Gotta pay.

[knotty vine]

No thanks I’ll just play thri kreen

blends into the wall

[marble lion]

You will eat the bug

[rough basalt]

Unfortunately the enemy uses the fallout VATs system and attacks you

[knotty vine]

My ac is 20 currently

Thri kreen cleric/paladin has to be one of the funniest yet strongest tank characters you can make

[marble lion]

I dont think there is comedy here

Its an insect humanoid with an adventurer class

[knotty vine]

Well you gotta ask why is that bug person worshipping god

[marble lion]

Because that bug person lives in a fantasy world literally filled by active deities

Where everyone worships something

[knotty vine]

Only issue is talking

[marble lion]

Noone said clerics have to be ave maria

Closest to that is ilmater and even that has differences, one being hes not the one big god

[knotty vine]

Can I cast vengeful gaze of god

[marble lion]

I think if i got to homebrew a thrikreen cleric it would be a hivemind faith

Theyd worship the bug collective
I dont know anything of their real lore so thats just my first thought

[knotty vine]

I mean clerics have the widest selection of subclasses

Cleric has a total of 18 different official subclasses across 24 and 14

Wizard being a runner up with only 13

[marble lion]

Fighter has the most

There is the scimitar fighter, the light hammer fighter, the double scimitar fighter, the 1handed warhammer fighter, the 2handed warhammer fighter
Just to name a handful

[knotty vine]

Fighter only has like 10 tied with monk

[marble lion]

Youre forgetting about 200

[knotty vine]

Barbarian/Paladin/Rogue/Sorcerer/Warlock each have 9

[obtuse stratus]

Oh hey, looks like you can still do inspiration builds from the playtest. I wanted to push the playtest and ended up just so heavily invested in Heroic Inspiration everyone essentially always had it when we went into a scene and yeah, looks like stuff is still there. We all thought it was nuts playtesting it, though

[exotic sinew]

Did they ever say what ruleset min maxed is using?

[knotty vine]

Nope

[exotic sinew]

Interesting. I am watching it at the moment and obviously they have some homebrew stuff with it I was just curious about the “core” backbones that they are using

[burnt valley]

Most likely rules as they make up

[arctic tulip]

Hi guys

[drifting zodiac]

Speaking of that , that drama is such a stupid thing

[marble lion]

I was super excited for minmaxed until the advert said its larp, not just ttrpg dnd

[obtuse stratus]

Yeah heard about it from Crispy's Tavern. Pretty crazy ending up on a channel for rpg horror stories

[marble lion]

No hate though, just let me down

Minmaxed had drama?

[drifting zodiac]

I think it's more of ttrpg? As they are not playing to play it live action scenes

[cursive thorn]

You may have been misinformed.

[drifting zodiac]

One Shot questers went into a stupid cry out

[marble lion]

Oh huh i thought thats what the short said

[drifting zodiac]

Yea? I was thinking that

[drifting zodiac]

Same

[marble lion]

The archery guy said like "and because just playing dnd would be too boring for us, well be playing ourselves" or something

Its been some time but thats how i understood their official announcement for it

[drifting zodiac]

Crispy s tavern it's more like a drama channel for ttrpg/yt side

[marble lion]

So they do just play dnd? With homebrew

[drifting zodiac]

The characters are basically named the same as them and the classes are what matches the best for them

[marble lion]

Ill give it a watch if its that

[cursive thorn]

Yeah, you are wrong.

[drifting zodiac]

Duke removed the title of his video just leaving it a . as the title

[undone rain]

Ahh finally, our campaign is over

[undone rain]

Oh yeah the minmaxed drama. Big content creator decides to gatekeep new players

[drifting zodiac]

Did you see the job application part 💀

[undone rain]

Yep😭

[feral fulcrum]

I see were back on petty youtube drama train again.

[drifting zodiac]

Well I seen some shorts that people say (anonymously agree with Duke but they don't name him just call him the most of DnD community) which is crazy they are taking this stupid think imo and wanting to make it bigger

[undone rain]

Thats dumb, most people dont even agree with him at all

He was the one who started everything too

Seeing the minmaxed response vid made me so sad seeing em be so upset. They really put everything into this

[drifting zodiac]

I mean who would they basically have every proof that they didn't mismanage the funds

[undone rain]

And some of dukes points on the funds dont make sense. Hes says they spent too much but also spent too little

[drifting zodiac]

Day 1 - we fishing filming the second season for 14 hours of straight filming???

[obtuse stratus]

What you are seeing is a form of engagement trap called ragebaiting. Really caught onto it when I read an article about the Hag in BG3 being problematic, don't fall for it

[exotic sinew]

Oh I don’t care about drama I saw the video but like I don’t care. They have been completely transparent about everything along the way and I am just excited to see tater dm and bloom and Jaque play. I ain’t gonna lie I had seens a few of Bensais videos before but not a whole lot and well I had no idea who sellsword arts were before this but it’s just cool to see another dnd group making videos. I can add it to my list. Now I have dimension 20, critical role, legends of avantris, arcane arcade and now min maxed. I am spoiled for dnd live plays

[drifting zodiac]

C'mon he was the perfect DM but they went and chose that guy

[marble lion]

Booo

[drifting zodiac]

Yea same I had seen everyone in that line up expect Bensai and the Dm

[drifting zodiac]

The funny thing was the Audio issues??

[exotic sinew]

I didn’t mean for my question to start this debacle about the drama side of things though I am sorry I was just curious on the rules they are using lol 😂

[drifting zodiac]

Did you check their yt channel

[obtuse stratus]

It's a hot topic. Always happens. You should see the old school community trying to shut down negativity about modern D&D, it's wild, we try, people really want to air their laundry though

[drifting zodiac]

Huh nvm nothing there

[exotic sinew]

I have been watching Bloom for a few years now and Tater well he is very funny I like his shorts. Jaque comes up on my feed a lot as well and I find him funny and since the announcement of min maxed I have been getting a lot of sellsword arts and bensai stuff and I have to say I am not disappointed they are all very interesting and informative

Although I am curious is Megan also a sword person at sellsword or what does she do or is that not a question I can ask here

[burnt valley]

isn't it just called trolling back then

[drifting zodiac]

She is the manager at sellsword arts

[obtuse stratus]

Trolling is trying to illicit a negative response and usually isn't for financial gain, more like trying to make someone a lolcow. Ragebaiting is like a subcategory used for increasing engagement and then ad revenue

[exotic sinew]

Ahh that makes sense thank you for answering that ☺️☺️☺️

[drifting zodiac]

Np I am glad I am saying something helpful for once

[marble lion]

Ragebaiting can just be for fun too though

[zenith talon]

Hi :b

[obtuse stratus]

See I'd say that's just trolling, as it's the same thing without financial motivation

[marble lion]

I just know the people ive met who do it call it that and only want fun

[fast latch]

Hi guys

What are we talking about?

[marble lion]

Dnd things

[fast latch]

Oooo do tell

[undone rain]

Man the end of our campaign was so peak

We all died but so did the bbeg. We were sent to an afterlife, not hell, not heaven but a void. Where we simply enjoy time, playin cards, drinking like a tavern

[fast latch]

Siiiick

What was the BBEG?

[drifting zodiac]

Big bad evil god?

[undone rain]

Real, final fight included some minor pvp too. We had an evil pc and he chose to betray us and side with the villain. I decided to fly up and knock him to the ground and with all my might, i used branding smite and killed him. But so did i, fire surrounded me

[undone rain]

A commisar, a very powerful one at that who was hellbent on world domination

[drifting zodiac]

Is my understanding correct?

[undone rain]

For the final phase an npc we had, had to take him out

[undone rain]

You could say that

[fast latch]

What’s a commissar?

[undone rain]

Hard to explain, english is my 2nd language. Either way hes a powerful guy so

[drifting zodiac]

Commander

[undone rain]

Either way, the ending was peak

[drifting zodiac]

At least in my language

[fast latch]

Like a Bard?

[undone rain]

We died but we died for a good cause

[wide rock]

On Dnd beyond if you get the pugilist class thing will character creation work for it (kinda like bloodhunter with a special section but you can still make it) or is it purely for reading

[still plover]

Big Bad.

[drifting zodiac]

Idk

I guess

[still plover]

In mine, a commissar is a military officer responsible for keeping discipline.

[undone rain]

And so we are left to enjoy ourselves in a void, playing cards, drinkin ale and remembering life forever. Pretty nice ending might i say

[drifting zodiac]

Yes

[still plover]

But yes, congratulations!

What is your player group doing next?

[drifting zodiac]

I want to make a dnd character inspired from that manhwa I read once

[undone rain]

Thanks, next week we are gonna mash up our group so we will have 7 players and see where it takes us. We havent found out the lore just yet

[fast latch]

Seven, damnnn

[drifting zodiac]

Sounds amazing

[undone rain]

Oh yeah i cant wait

Im gonna be a zealot barb for it

[eager marsh]

having DM'd for 7 players multiple times because my LGS always had not enough DMs for AL....good luck

[fast latch]

I played a Zealot in a West Marches server

[obtuse stratus]

Oooo since 5e isn't great for golem crafters what if I just went for a dude with a bunch of warforged around them as the other characters in a solo game.

[humble cairn]

If you want to play a golemancer, consider a Battle Smith Artificer.

[eager marsh]

Just use animate dead and reflavor the skeletons as golems. its how my own necromancer hides his

that's also an option yea. 5e's action economy and bounded accuracy design issues make minionmancy hard to balance unfortunately so they just dont

[obtuse stratus]

I liked soloing in pf1e because it was so easy to make a terrible build for a party that was a ton of fun to solo with. Golem crafters, necromancers, pet summoners

[jolly agate]

Hello chat

[fast latch]

Hello Latrell

[jolly agate]

Hello

[fast latch]

Want to talk about something?

[feral fulcrum]

Or just use Animate Objects on Statues.

[drifting zodiac]

Can DnD campaigns not take place in the main Realms for example just in a The Plane of Fire or in The 9 Hells

[exotic sinew]

With a fey wanderer ranger. If you roll a critical hit does your hunters mark damage and the dreadful strike damage also double?

Well not double but like double dice rolled

[wintry wasp]

Ehh im guessing that goes with homebrew I think

[halcyon bison]

Yes, extra dice do get multiplied by crits

[exotic sinew]

Also also with the damage thing being taken away from sharpshooter is piercer better for level 4 feat to round out Dex or is sharpshooter still good

[exotic sinew]

Wow you could do so much damage then 😱😱😱

[wintry wasp]

Ykw is a good DnD like game?? Esoteric EBB.

[jolly agate]

What the hell is The Abyss?

[halcyon bison]

Are you playing 2024 dnd or 2014 dnd?

[exotic sinew]

2024 hence me saying the damage thing being taken away from sharpshooter

[halcyon bison]

I see. Sharpshooter is still good, but it kinda depends on how you want to play your character. If you manage positioning well, it will sometimes provide very little benefit- but it does allow you to go basically anywhere and not worry about your weapon becoming less effective.
Piercer isn't very good honestly, but if (and that's a big "if") you are able to avoid all the things sharpshooter fixes then it's a better option.

They both can increase dex so you don't have to worry about that

[feral fulcrum]

The most Sharpshooter does is ignore cover, as long range shooting is...really not something that's done outside of once in a blue moon.

[exotic sinew]

And they are the only like 2 options i have as a ranger though right

[feral fulcrum]

And even Ignoring cover relies on your DM rembering and using Cover.

[feral fulcrum]

The Abyss is the Demon Equivalant to the Hells. AKA Where they all live.

[jolly agate]

Ooooooohhh

i got a one time skill to open a portal to the Abyss

[halcyon bison]

No! You could get chef, crossbow expert, fey or shadow touched, poisoner, skill expert... and many more

[feral fulcrum]

Sounds like a free TPK

[exotic sinew]

But I only have a longbow for now

😭😭

[halcyon bison]

Well everything other than crossbow expert still applies
and even still you could always get a crossbow later, it shouldn't be super hard

[jolly agate]

I mean it can't be that bad. My party already survived being stranded on High Ice, escaping from Thulantar, and being chased by half the city of Immilmar in Rashemen

[feral fulcrum]

A free portal to the abyss could result in anything from a breif tear to "Guess what, you've launched an internal incursion onto the realms, good job dingus." And even a 'Minor' rip into the Abyss could see you beset by a Balor, who will fold you like a pretzel.

[exotic sinew]

I will look into it. I have a while before I reach level 4 I have only just started the campaign and am still level 1 ahab

I am just trying to be prepared for the future

[turbid vessel]

But have you survived Volo?

[jolly agate]

Nope, Haven't found him. but i did got slayed and eaten by Paladins of Tyr and a High Priest

[jolly agate]

What if I'm technically a demon myself?. can i enter?

[halcyon bison]

yeah probably, but the abyss is not a friendly place even if you are a demon.

[feral fulcrum]

As long as there's a portal, you can enter anywhere. Whether or not you immediately die is entirely up to the DM :V

[jolly agate]

yeah im going to die again

[halcyon bison]

Dying is typically not advisable

[jolly agate]

Is it?

[halcyon bison]

yeah :<

[feral fulcrum]

Being dead makes it pretty hard to do things, don'tcha know

[jolly agate]

I'm def doin somethin wrong in this game then

[exotic sinew]

I was meant to have my third session on Friday but my dm was very sick so he had to postpone it 😭😭

But I hope he is okay

[serene jolt]

Besides Metamagic Adept feat or multiclassing, is there a way an Artificer can change the damage type of spells into fire?

Like magic items, feats, etc?

[severe rampart]

Latrell how often are you playing that campaign holy, it feels like you're playing one session a day

[jolly agate]

3 sessions per week on average

[severe rampart]

is this play by post?

[jolly agate]

4 if ma DM is bored

[halcyon bison]

Not that I'm aware of, changing damage type is hard
Butttt I'm assuming you want to do this because your an alchemist, and if so you can get the benefit by just having a rider effect that does one of those damage types
For example, you can get fey touched for Hex and use attack roll spells

[jolly agate]

Sometimes play by post, other times we go to ma DM's house (It's like common territory)

[halcyon bison]

you might not be able to get the benefit more than once per casting this way

[serene jolt]

Ahh gotcha. Alright, maybe I'll consider Metamagic later then.

[tall forge]

You can flavor it if you just want the feeling of fire

But for a mechanical reason, no not really

[serene jolt]

It's for my Elemental Adept and Flames of Phelegios feats.

But that's okay, there are already a lot of fire spells.

[tall forge]

Then yeah, its hard to do on purpose

[serene jolt]

Especially for an Artillarist.

[halcyon bison]

ooh thats a cool combo and not what i expected

[feral fulcrum]

Scribe Wizard Wins Again

[halcyon bison]

but yeah I think metamagic is your best option

[serene jolt]

-# I don't wanna be a wizard. I wanna be an Artificer!

[serene jolt]

That's fair. I'll look into that when I reach level 8.

I'm gonna be swapping to the Maverick Artificer though once the staff approves the book. That'll give me more spellcasting focus and spells to choose from.

[halcyon bison]

Metamagic adept my beloved
I love distant spell

[serene jolt]

I love subtle

[jolly agate]

What's the lore of Volo now that i think abt it?. Is he just a silly bard or smth?

[halcyon bison]

Subtle is also quite nice

[vale sage]

What's up nerds!

[halcyon bison]

Tragically scribe wizard only works with wizard spells specifically
Which would put DeadDok in a weird position of not being able to do that with artificer spells
I'm so sad that scribe doesn't let you do non-wizard spells

[jolly agate]

Wazaaa

[undone rain]

Hes actually a wizard somehow. He usually goes out adventuring to learn about races and stuff

[feral fulcrum]

He also constantly gets things wrong and over-exaggerates to a cartoonish degree as I recall

[jolly agate]

Wizard like apprentice wizard or wizard like ancient aaah powerfull wizard? (like Elminster)

cuz he looks like a bard, acts like a bard, and dress like a bard

[vale sage]

Imagine if we had wizards irl

[shadow vapor]

nice profile picture.

[vale sage]

Awesome pfp to you to!!

[shadow vapor]

Hohoho

[fast latch]

Eaten by worshippers of TYR?!

[vale sage]

Merry Christmas!! 🗣️ 🔥 💯 ‼️ 🎅

[still plover]

They're a fringe sect.

[shadow vapor]

[halcyon bison]

(they're a cow)

[fast latch]

An Awakened cow?

[vale sage]

Man I know zero DND lore

[halcyon bison]

I think so

[undone rain]

Like an apprentice wizard. Not some eldritch god type.

[fast latch]

Apprentice

[vale sage]

I'm a total noob I just like cool fantasy stuff lol

Is there even DND lore? I thought the point was to make up your own stuff

[shadow vapor]

hay guys I need to know what is the long name on dndbeyond for magic Items (like every teir), monsters, spells, equipment and Species.

[severe rampart]

There is lore, but you can also make your own lore for your own campaign

[feral fulcrum]

???

[shadow vapor]

like longest name

[severe rampart]

it's just the canon for the written adventures, but you do get creative reign, like all barovians are typically humans, but you can have some of them be other species, etc.

[shadow vapor]

OH MY GOD I SPELT IT WRONG

[jolly agate]

long story, I was just a magic cow turning statues of Tyr into statues of cows and of The Traveler at midnight (and stealing some relics)

[feral fulcrum]

That's called a List my guy?

[jolly agate]

they found me, i killed 5 of them and fight to the death (literally)

[shadow vapor]

no like, what creature has the longest name! you know the names like super dupper long.

[jolly agate]

He's still a pretty cool guy ngl

[fast latch]

Tarrasque is pretty long

It has 9 letters

[shadow vapor]

think of a name like Lothrem, the Wreathed Dragon, that's a super long name stuff like that.

[shadow vapor]

that's a good one!

[fast latch]

Ancient Amethyst Dragon is even longer

[shadow vapor]

Yeah, most of the super long names and names with titles.

[vale sage]

Just had a irl near death experience lol

That's what happens when you drink way to much extremely hot stuff in your throat and swallow it super fast!

[limber trail]

A couple long ones from the mm:

Salamander Inferno Master
Violet Fungus Necrohulk
Githyanki Dracomancer

[shadow vapor]

nice those are good ones.

[marble lion]

Ancient Green Dragon is pretty long

[obtuse stratus]

Alright, aside from Necki the necromancer, Art thr battle smith artificer, and Helbit the healbot I need at least a 4th character for my solo party

[marble lion]

dont have to look far from the classics

[marble lion]

i know his favourite meal

[shadow vapor]

you need a warlock in there

[jolly agate]

You need a bard here

You missin the luck

[severe rampart]

Tempest Cleric maybe?

[jolly agate]

My party has no bard in the game I'm playin and i already died and got turned into a fiend

[urban flame]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=xGjHYUYQ7Y8&si=P_37s-kyCW6FMMna yea been watching this at work yesterday and it’s hilarious the action for ability scores are the funniest you all should give it a watch

[fair plinth]

In 2014 rules, for the warlock subclass expanded spell lists, do they add spells to my spell sheet, ie already prepared, or to my spell list, meaning id have to learn them as i level up?

[shadow vapor]

sheet

no wait that's wrong

[shadow vapor]

you have to repair them yourself.

[fair plinth]

Dang i need to fix my spell sheet lol thx

[obtuse stratus]

Lori the Lore Bard it is

[shadow vapor]

:(

[fast latch]

Wind On The Mountains, a Tabaxi Eloquence Bard

[jolly agate]

You made the right choice mate

Fortune favors the bard (also cool name i like it)

[halcyon bison]

longest one ive found so far on dndbeyond is Aruk Thundercaller Thuunlakalaga not counting spaces
its 30 characters

[shadow vapor]

DANG THAT IS LONG

[vale sage]

Man those noodles rocked!

[lavish flame]

2014, no. Ur subclass does not automatically give u spells. The spells on ur Expanded Spell List are merely additional options for you to choose.

[shadow vapor]

4 letters longer then Lothrem, the Wreathed Dragon, with out using a title, now I wonder what the longest magic item is.

[halcyon bison]

Amulet of Proof against Detection and Location is very likely it, but I haven't looked very far yet

[shadow vapor]

Amulet of Proof against Detection and Location my goodness, what in the world

[obtuse stratus]

Shouldn't need to, that one is obnoxious

[halcyon bison]

yeah there might be something longer but I doubt it

[obtuse stratus]

Its like calling IIRC the Apparatus of Kwelish (or whatever) the "Carcinized, Mechanized Barrel of Oh God What Was I Thinking"

[shadow vapor]

why is it so long, this is an item the villian will have to declare in their evil speech to, like "you fools you thought you were tracking me but you were really tracking my proxy, with the help of the Amulet of Proof against Detection and Location, I can not be soon by divination magic." like someone really went out of their way to inconvenience some bad dude just for kicks, who made this thing?

[lavish flame]

The Mighty Servant of Leuk-o and The Infernal Machine of Lum the Mad give it a run for its momey but yeah, I think its Amulet of Proof Against Detection and Location

[obtuse stratus]

Pretty sure its really old school and like 2 different items

[lavish flame]

The Amulet of PaDaC is almost exclusively a player-facing item in my mind. You don't want an evil mage bad guy using divination magic to figure out where you are and what you're doing. You DEFINITELY don't want them to be able to Scry on you while making plans.

[shadow vapor]

mighty servant is long but it's an arifact, it has the right to be as long as possible, to give it its grandos, same for The infernal machine of Lum the mad, but the amulet of proof against detection and location is actually an uncommon magic item, like you could find that, which makes it so much better that that's the name.

[lavish flame]

yeah I regularly give the item out

mostly cuz I often employ evil mages who have access to divination spells

[obtuse stratus]

Do your players remember that it exists and use it, though?

[lavish flame]

you don't really proactively use the item, wym

[obtuse stratus]

Just grumbling about players forgetting they even have items

[lavish flame]

its like a passive defensive amulet. the party occasionally spots Arcane Eyes and Scrying eyes before getting it. Then when they get it, that stops being a problem. Eventually they'll find something they like more than the Amulet of PaDaC, and it'll become a problem once again.

[lavish flame]

my players live and die by remembering they have magic items

[obtuse stratus]

Nice! Mine stand outside a door wondering how to get in when they have a staff with knock on it

They need a distraction while having a deck of illusions. They die of thirst with a decanter of endless water in their bags.

[lavish flame]

My players have been getting MILEAGE out of a Wand of Pyrotechnics. my condolences boss

[obtuse stratus]

It'd be funny if all those things didn't actually happen 🥲 Nah still kind of funny

[quiet lance]

hello everyone im new

[obtuse stratus]

Hello, Roy, do you remember your magic items when playing?

[quiet lance]

I was just kind of wondering how the game works and what not

[fossil hollow]

Check out #dnd-newcomers

[quiet lance]

what?

[quiet lance]

thanks

[obtuse stratus]

Nevermind, don't worry about it yet.

[jolly agate]

Coolest wizard in dnd?

[severe rampart]

Bladesinger

I mean, could also be Evoker if you want 9th level fireball

[halcyon bison]

John Wizard

[severe rampart]

Human Wizard, one spell scroll away from becoming a lich

I remember being a level 12 wizard for a oneshot, all I casted was Fireball and Summon Lesser Demon

[jolly agate]

I mean coolest wizard whit a name like Fizban The Fabulous or Elminster

[lavish flame]

You will learn a lot in #learn-to-play and even more by asking questions in #dnd-newcomers

You'll learn the most by playing a game, which you could do via #find-a-game

[severe rampart]

Get a random medicine

[lavish flame]

I'd read through the basics of playing first though

[severe rampart]

Randomly clicked through a medicine list, Atorvastatin the Terrible, there you go, Evil Wizard

[undone rain]

Agh i still cant stop thinking about the end of our campaign, it was just so peak

[drifting zodiac]

what would be a cool surname for just a short and simple name

[fast latch]

How? It doesn’t seem useful for anything besides signaling

[severe rampart]

what's the character's first name? and what are they themed around?

if you got nothing, pick a one syllable thing like ... "Roux" (pronounced Roo)

[fast latch]

Go the Orc route
Skullcrusher, Spinebreaker, etc

[jolly agate]

How was the ending?, cool fight ending or tavern ending?

[drifting zodiac]

Sid its their name , very bad int and wis stats (i still havent figured out anything else

[lavish flame]

It produces a harmless firework basically, which makes a ton of light and sound. They often use it to divert enemies, like with sending Ankhegs to a more advantageous position before they popped out of the ground. They often use it to surprise an enemy by throwing a firework in their face and rushing them. They just use it creatively and I reward that.

[severe rampart]

Just leave it at their first name, they're not smart enough to remember their last name

You really should just make a backstory first, and think of a name that would fit it thematically

[fast latch]

Nice

[undone rain]

Fight ending and kind of tavern ending, with some pvp too. One player ended up joining the BBEG. He killed our bard later in the fight and so after months of dealin with his evil shit i finally can kill him so i flew up into the air where he is, knocked him to the ground near some fire rubble, and with all my might use my branding smite and killed him. Unfortunatley, i was killed too so it all came down to an npc that me and our controlled vs the bbeg that the dm and the guy i killed controlled and in the end we won

And so now, we are in the afterlife, not hell, not heaven. But a void where we sit and play cards, drink ale for the rest of existence.

[jolly agate]

the hell is bbeg

[jolly agate]

Peak ending ngl

[undone rain]

Big bad evil guy, basically the big villain

[undone rain]

It was, we died but we got a happy ending either way

[drifting zodiac]

Remember Sid from ice age

[undone rain]

The people raised a statue in our honor. Our names were forgotten in time but everyone remembered our deeds.

The redeemed, the jester and the betrayer

And of course the hero

[jolly agate]

Honestly, I'm scared that my DM wants me to become the traitor of the party or something eventually. Don't wanna kill the ogrillion or the silly cleric

alr i might kill the drow

but that's it

[severe rampart]

alright so, my build isn't really good for multiple encounters a day, so what should I get for when I run out of spell slots (I am a lore bard)

I can deal 90 DPR on the first encounter but after that I am tapped out of spell slots

[sleek cloud]

Yknow, conserving spells and having allies help carry the encounter weight might help

[crimson gulch]

6 encounter days are the great equalizer

[severe rampart]

oh yeah, my allies are far stronger than me, the strongest having 116 DPR without even expending a spell slot

[severe rampart]

Oof, yeah

[crimson gulch]

I had a necromancer pc in one game blow all his spell slots on animate dead at the start of a day

First round of the first encounter was a mindflayer mind blast destroy them all

[severe rampart]

oh my

[jolly hound]

Trying to decide between a battle master and an Eldrich knight I know bm is better but that doesn’t matter to me

[jolly agate]

Eldrich Knight is kinda cool ngl

[jolly hound]

That’s what I’m saying

[severe rampart]

my 3 months hiatused campaign is about to start a session and we're having technical difficulties 😭

[undone rain]

Noooooo

[dire void]

guys, why does my roll20 2024 barb inventory/equipment keep resetting when i level up?

[fast latch]

A rapier and Vicious Mockery

[severe rampart]

Bards don't inherently get Martial Weapon proficiency

[fast latch]

You’re playing 2024?

[severe rampart]

Yea

[fast latch]

In 2024 they lost Rapiers for some freaking reason

[undone rain]

Agh i love spells that enhances weapon attacks like green flame blade or booming blade

[woven flint]

I, personally, like spells that kinda are like weapons
Like Shadow Blade, Spiritual Weapon, Mordenkainens Blade and Blade of Disaster

Shadow Blade is probably the most fun

[fast latch]

A dagger and Vicious Mockery

[undone rain]

I should grab magic initate later for my barbarian for some of those weapon attack spells

[undone rain]

Ive never used em, but they seem cool lol

[halcyon bison]

those are very cool but sadly true strike often outperforms them :<

[woven flint]

That's completely false lol

[undone rain]

Oh yeah they buffed true strike

[halcyon bison]

they are good if you have multiattack though

[woven flint]

For Spiritual weapon yes

But Mordenkainens Blade, Blade of Disaster and Shadow Blade are all significantly better.

[halcyon bison]

oh i did a brain fart I was thinking of only flame blade and shadow blade

[burnt valley]

tbh, outside of magic items, you should try your best conserving them

1 spell slot at most for simple enemies

[burnt valley]

he can do more than that tbh

12+ encounters

[halcyon bison]

I really don't like how in 2024 flame blade requires a magic action to attack with so you can't multiattack with it
that's super boring

[crimson gulch]

Oh I often do, especially past l3vel 10

[halcyon bison]

I hope they don't give shadow blade the same treatment when they update it

[serene jolt]

Just keep in mind that you cannot cast spells or concentrate on spells when you are raging.

So it will only be useful if you decide your damage will be more important than taking less damage.

[undone rain]

Ik, i will mostly use em when im out of rage or just dont want to rage yet

[vale sage]

How do we feel about Dragons?

[halcyon bison]

Dragons are cool :3

[serene jolt]

Yeah that's fair.

[halcyon bison]

they pair well with dungeons

[undone rain]

And since im a zariel tiefling i get searing smite and later branding smite so we good

[drifting zodiac]

Dragons are very smart

[serene jolt]

Dragons pair better with lairs /joking

[jovial shadow]

It's always funny to see people instruct someone that they can't cast spells while raging as if they don't already know this

[serene jolt]

I always assume everyone is new unless I've seen them around here.

[undone rain]

Its a good reminder, with so many things in dnd i can forget easily

[serene jolt]

And you don't know how many times I've had to tell new people they can't cast spells when raging, that they have sneak attack, and that they cannot cast two spell slotted spells in one turn.

[undone rain]

I personally think its nice to remind

[serene jolt]

If anyone feels insulted when I remind them about any dnd info, just let me know. I just like being helpful. 😅

[keen kestrel]

there's some technicalities where you sort of can, but yes

[undone rain]

Im sure most dont mind, your looking out for people

[serene jolt]

With which thing?

[keen kestrel]

casting two levelled spells

[undone rain]

Anyway im a zealot barb. So i have quite a few options of extra damage both in and out of raging

[serene jolt]

Spell slot levelled spells is what I said. At least with 2024.

Mmm zealot barbs

[keen kestrel]

yes, you can still do that (unless I'm misremembering)

[undone rain]

My favorite type

[serene jolt]

It's specific with 2024 that you cannot use two spell slots in the same turn.

So you cannot cast a spell using a spell slot, action surge, and cast another spell with a spell slot.

You can, however, use a feature like Fey Touched to cast misty step without using a spell slot, and then use an action spell that takes a spell slot on the same turn now.

[keen kestrel]

unless I'm wrong (which I could be), you can reaction use a spell in your turn and still cast a spell no?

[sleek cloud]

Reaction spells aren’t on your turn anyways generally

[serene jolt]

Technically if the reaction takes a spell slot, then no. That's based on the old ruleset. However, most tables ignore that rule.

[umbral girder]

If it uses a spell slot then no.

[keen kestrel]

oh well, that's stupid and my dm allowed it anyway lmao

[umbral girder]

If it doesn't (like a magic item is used) then you can

So if you used a Staff or Scroll then you can use your reaction with a spell slot

[keen kestrel]

I used shield and a divine smite in the same turn

[jovial shadow]

I don't know what most tables you're talking about, but if some DMS are doing it it's because we want to or they don't understand the rules themselves

[serene jolt]

So the old, cheesy tactic of using a shut-down spell like Hypnotic Pattern and then casting Silvery Barbs as a reaction if they fail... Doesn't work anymore.

At least RAW 5.5e

[halcyon bison]

how come?

[umbral girder]

Similar with Racial spells, subclass stuff like Glamour Bard's bonus action Command, Warlock invocations and Mystic arcanum are examples of Players being able to cast spells without slots.

[serene jolt]

Both of those spells take spell slots. It's the same turn.

[keen kestrel]

I do get a free casting of shield from magic initiate, so i guess that bypasses it

[umbral girder]

Also Paladin's free use of Divine Smite too

[serene jolt]

You cannot use more than one spell slot per turn now.

[halcyon bison]

oh I see
I mean that was kinda a rule in 2014 too just different and more confusing

[crimson gulch]

i have disagreed with this interperetation personaly, because the reaction is more a part of the round than your turn, regardless if you do it on your turn or not, everything in the round is happining simontaniosly

[serene jolt]

The 5e rule was you cannot use a bonus action spell and another spell on the same turn.

[umbral girder]

2014 was "If you do a Bonus action spell the Action had to be a Cantrip"

[sleek cloud]

There’s always eloquence bards unsettling words to debuff their chances then dropping the spell still works at least

[halcyon bison]

yeah I always thought that was very weird

[serene jolt]

I like the new ruling much more personally.

[halcyon bison]

Me too

[serene jolt]

Gives you another reason to make spell scrolls

[umbral girder]

The 2024 one Spell slot a turn rule also is fun for DM's.

Because for half a decade Monsters no longer use spell slots so they can get away with schenanigans too.

[serene jolt]

True! And monsters need all they can get with how powerful PCs are

[keen kestrel]

the new ruling is less confusing, but it just gives more meaning to people trying to get free castings of spells to get around the ruling

[umbral girder]

This also means Counterspell stops a Monsters from casting a spell in the day since Counterspell only saves the Spell slot.

But that means players being Counterspelled do not lose spell slots

[serene jolt]

And maybe that's not a bad thing. Gives another purpose for those feats and subclasses.

[keen kestrel]

but those feats and subclasses were already really good to begin with if we're being honest

[serene jolt]

And it gives more incentive to work together. Have another spell caster cast silvery barbs when your spell fails. Work as a team.

[keen kestrel]

fey touched already felt busted, now it's just even better

[umbral girder]

I just noticed that High Elves get a sorta Fey Touched as part of their racial features

Misty step + a Divination spell (Detect magic)

[halcyon bison]

Im not a big fan of monsters not having spell slots anymore
I don't like the asymmetry that creates

[serene jolt]

PCs are going to be more powerful anyways. It's a little easier on the DM imo.

[umbral girder]

At least monsters get to actually be unique instead of doing what a player does.

[keen kestrel]

Spell scrolls also only work great if you have quickened spell (at least if you wanna cast two really good spells in the same turn)

[halcyon bison]

Yeah but I like how monsters and players operate on the same rules
Now NPC spellcasters don't really feel like spellcasters anymore

[umbral girder]

Or a Thief Rogue who can activate magic items (like scrolls) as a Bonus action

[burnt valley]

its more fair that way

[keen kestrel]

yeh, it's mostly only better for niche cases

[halcyon bison]

Which way?

[umbral girder]

Also makes DnD a system that can actually be DM’d more

[burnt valley]

monsters having spell slots

[halcyon bison]

Yeah that's what I'm saying :>

[burnt valley]

tbh the DM doesn't need anymore power, the game is already so open ended that they can just do whatever with interpretations/fiat

[zenith schooner]

Is it true that 5th edition is better than new edition?

[lavish flame]

depends on who you ask

[halcyon bison]

Up to personal preference
I like most of the changes in 2024 but it sacrifices flavor for balance in a lot of places

And it makes players a bit too powerful imo

[burnt valley]

yes

[halcyon bison]

(Though lots of monsters have been significantly buffed too I think)

[lavish flame]

Personally, the thought of going back to just 5e makes me want to vomit. 5.5e is just by and large better to me. More systemitized, better keyworded, easier to run. All around better.

[umbral girder]

It’s messier but has its fans (because it’s been around longer)

[burnt valley]

Cloud Giants moment

[halcyon bison]

Yeah 5.5 is more accessable I think

[jolly agate]

What is a priest of Baphomet supposed to do?

[lavish flame]

kill people in the name of Baphomet

[umbral girder]

Do priest things. For Baphomet /jk

[halcyon bison]

evil priesty stuff

[burnt valley]

removal of power attacks, Ranger being forced by WOTC to include hunter's mark for their subclass features, subclasses starting Lvl 3 killed some builds

[jolly agate]

Good ppl or bad ppl?, or just ppl?

[umbral girder]

Baphomet is a hunter and traveller. Best comparison is to imagine Baphotmet as an Evil Super Ranger and his followers act in ways to replicate or appease him.

[woven flint]

My assumption is priests of Baphomet are probably predisposed to slaughtering anyone who gets in the way of their goals

[lavish flame]

i think just people. I imagine other priests or paladins might be more appreciated, but I kinda think anybody will do.

[jolly agate]

yeah i can do that

[vale sage]

Wait the Baphomet?

[umbral girder]

Could try something like maybe a cult of Baphomet captured Aasamir to do something like The Most Dangerous Game

[jolly agate]

Anyway, nobody suspects a cow

[woven flint]

And I'm not talking average murder, I think Cultists of Baphomet would absolutely butcher people

[vale sage]

I thought the D&D = Satanic stuff was a joke 😭 where did he come from?

[umbral girder]

Yeah D&D made their own interpretation of a lot of Mythology stuff.

[woven flint]

Its not related to the REAL Baphomet

[halcyon bison]

He came from the abyss!

[umbral girder]

In D&D Baphomet is very similar to the Minotaur from the Greek Stories

[woven flint]

Baphomet in D&D is a Demon Lord of Minotuars

[lavish flame]

Baphomet is a Demon Lord in D&D. He's the Demon Lord of Beasts, so like wild and rabid animals are his whole shebang.

[jolly agate]

Also I just remembered that i got this one spell last session (cuz I'm a Fiend now and since i got revived by him and i got more powers of Baphomet) i can also transform in the silly cow form pre-revival

so i can continue being silly. yipieee

[vale sage]

Ahh okay for a second I was wondering how I can support it as a Catholic lol it's all good 😆 ‼️

[woven flint]

D&D =/= Satanic stuff, but as a fantasy game they have their own Angels, Demons and Devils

[vale sage]

What's next Baal or Moloch in the next D&D campaign?

[jolly agate]

They do exists in dnd

[undone rain]

Same game where someone can have hellish descendants while still being holy

[jovial shadow]

Or more accurately, DND is not satanic stuff They just have satanic stuff

[vale sage]

NO WAY LOL 😂 ‼️

[halcyon bison]

to be fair they're objectively bad guys and everyone dislikes them

[umbral girder]

They are as lesser devils below Archdevils

[jolly agate]

Like the Bhaal followers or worse?

[woven flint]

Most Demons and Devils are named after real Demons and Devils, but they're often nothing like their real life counterparts (For the most part)

[vale sage]

I really NEED to learn more D&D lore

[umbral girder]

I think Moloch’s lore is he tried to take over all of Hell but failed.

[jolly agate]

Devils are really chill tho, like. ye

[vale sage]

Hell exist in D&D? Lol

[woven flint]

Pazuzu is in D&D as well,
He's the Demon Lord of Evil winged entities

[umbral girder]

I think Baal was the one who tried to take over Zariel’s position in the Blood War

[lavish flame]

You'll notice a ton of names from wider Christian belief have been taken and reappropriated for D&D use. Bhaal, Moloch, Asmodeus, Mephistopholes, all of them are in D&D. Bhaal is a god of... i think slaughter? Moloch and Mephistopholes are Archdevils, Asmodeus is the Lord of the Nine Hells.

[jolly agate]

Not only one hell, A LOT OF THEM

[undone rain]

Yes, the nine hells

[umbral girder]

Yeah it’s one of the Lawful Evil planes of the multiverse.

[atomic moat]

In the 80's there was a whole satanic panic about D&D that was based on bullshit, but it did cause D&D to change a couple names, so devils are now Baator and Demons are Tanarii

[halcyon bison]

also Asmodeus is here too :3
Honestly I thought he came from dnd until I looked it up a minute ago

[woven flint]

You've got Hell, The Abyss and Carceri

[vale sage]

Is there Mammon in D&D?

[umbral girder]

DnD has a big plane currently that is split between Good, Evil, Chaotic, and Lawful

[woven flint]

Yes, any big demonic figures you can think of have their names used in the realms

[jolly agate]

I love chaotic neutral

[umbral girder]

So examples of good planes we have Mt Celestia similar to Mt Olympus and Ysgard which is like Valhalla

[woven flint]

There's also Deities from the Greek, Egytian, Norse and Celtic mythologies in D&D as well

[atomic moat]

giant slug I think who controls a layer of hell which is basically a swamp descending because of the weight of Mammon's wealth, sort of the Devil Lord of greed

[vale sage]

Do they have Purgatory in it? Or Heaven? Or is it just like hell or something

[woven flint]

Heaven?
Probably not, something close, but there are special realms of afterlife for followers of different deities

[halcyon bison]

The upper planes are various "heavens", there's quite a variety of different afterlives

[umbral girder]

So Heaven is more split into multiple good planes for people to go to.

Purgatory is I think called “The Fugue Plane” where people get judge if their souls go there

[vale sage]

I'm not really offended by it, It seems as accurate to real Christian theology as bloody Hazbin Hotel LMAO 😂 💯

[jolly agate]

oh gawd i hate that series

[woven flint]

Its better written than Hazbin Hotel, that's for certain

[atomic moat]

No purgatory, there are heavens but there are two axis on which the outer planes exist, the law-chaos axis and the good-evil axis. So Hell and the Abyss are different, the former is lawful evil and the latter is chaotic evil.

[umbral girder]

There is actually a map in the Player’s Handbook showing most of the multiverse and it’s planes

[lavish flame]

They'll tell you there's 9, but there's actually like 30. D&D assumes a fantasy that has many different Planes of Existence. They're usually organized in a big wheel that represents how Lawful, Chaotic, Good, or Evil those Planes are.

The bottom of the wheel denotes the Evil Planes (called Lower Planes), and there's a bunch of them. Nine Hells, Gehenna, Hades, The Abyss, and Pandemonium.

The top of the wheel denotes the Good Planes (called Upper Planes), there's also a bunch. Mount Celestia, Elysium, Bytopia, The Beastlands, and Arborea.

There's also Lawful and Chaotically aligned planes that have their own weirdness.

[umbral girder]

Exception with things like the Far Realm where Cthulhu and other Eldritch horrors hang out

[halcyon bison]

I don't really think D&D can really be compared to any real life religion, though it defiantly takes a lot of inspiration from them its very different

[vale sage]

Well I guess that answers my question lol

[jolly agate]

I should def buy a Player's handbook right?

[jovial shadow]

The various planes and the figures in them are just there for a matter of convenience. If the DM wanted to he can just narrow it down a single mythology or religion. It can still be a non home brew as long as It is within the bounds of the rules

[umbral girder]

Yep! It’s the rules for running the entire game

[halcyon bison]

Yes it's a must have

[jolly agate]

I don't understand how I've survived until now without one

[lavish flame]

If you're gonna make a D&D purchase, it should be the PHB

[umbral girder]

Probably the most important purchase in DnD

[woven flint]

We don't often talk about real religion here,
Anything In D&D is fictionalized and only relation to real life things are just names, typically

[vale sage]

They turned Saint Peter, The actual real eastern guy, personal apostle of the Lord and the First Pope in history into a blonde gay twink 😭

[atomic moat]

Technically you only need dice and paper and access to the internet, but if you were limited to one purchase beyond that the Players Handbook would be it.

[vale sage]

Yeah I get that vibe lol, I was just sorta suprised the first time I saw it

[lavish flame]

D&D also borrows from a number of other mythologies, which were at one point religions. Famously Tiamat was a river god in ancient Mesopotamia, but has been turned into a 5 headed Dragon God in D&D.

[vale sage]

I was like "Why are you guys talking about the Baphomet in a D&D server" 😭 ‼️

[jolly agate]

Oh gawd WHY IS THE PHB SO EXPENSIVE

[jovial shadow]

You don't even need dice and paper if you have access to the Internet because DND beyond offers you a digital character sheet and digital dice

[halcyon bison]

I thought Tiamat was from greek mythology and was a super duper big multiheaded monster
I guess legends evolve over time so it could be both

[abstract ermine]

Does anyone use actual minis for their games? If so, do you put them on a circle base?

[atomic moat]

I don't even what that names really means in terms of catholism. Is that just another name for the devil or is it a separate entity?

[lavish flame]

You might be thinking of Scylla, idk? Tiamat is natively Mesopotamian.

[woven flint]

One of my favorite Devils in the realms is Dispater, man lives in a Giant Iron Tower of his own making and his city is of twisting steel and ever watchful gaurdians

[lavish flame]

I use a VTT mostly, but when I did use minis, we used circular bases. that way they worked on both square grids and hex grids.

[vale sage]

So does like THE Devil and Angels 'n' Archangels exist inside D&D or do those names/terms sorta mean something completely different here than in reality?

[halcyon bison]

I might just be imagining it

[jolly agate]

No, They do are Angels and Devils

[woven flint]

I have a planned Warforged Warlock of Dispater whom was created in his name and glory

[jolly agate]

Like Raphael and mephistopheles

[hot marlin]

First off, even in reality, those terms mean very different things to different people. And in D&D they have a precise meaning that is very removed to any of the ways they are used in real life

[jolly agate]

Or this one guy in a tower that likes to play cards and bet

[halcyon bison]

the closest thing to THE devil is Asmodeus, but he's among multiple archdevils
Angels exist as servants of the gods, their lore is unclear to me

[vale sage]

Oh St Raphael's a actual Catholic archangel!

[hot marlin]

There is a Mephistopheles, yes. Archdevil of the eighth circle, Cania.

Basically the second most powerful devil in the Nine Hells. Asmodeus' only credible rival

[vale sage]

Gambling angel? Lol

[atomic moat]

Everything that lives in Hell is a devil in DnD but it is an heirarchy where Asmodeus is at top. Angels are are also a class of beings that belong to multiple planes of existences usually they serve various gods, so that lore is somewhat similar.

[jolly agate]

Devil

[lavish flame]

They're about accurate to irl terms. Devils are specifically Lawful Evil Fiends from the Nine Hells of Baator. They like to make deals with mortals, often dealing in Souls.

Angels are specifically Lawful Good Celestials from the Seven Heavens of Mount Celestia. They are weird but not in the way you'd think. They are beneficial beings that try to do good.

[hot marlin]

It is not true that everything that lives in hell is a devil. Rakshasa are from the Nine Hells and are not devils. There are plenty of constructs, vargouilles, and fiends that are animalistic in behaviour such as hell hounds that are not devils

[jolly agate]

Raphael is a Cambion, "The devil you know"

[umbral girder]

Succubi and Incubi live in the hells and are not devils too

[vale sage]

Oh that's weird, In Catholocism there's a actual Saint Raphael the Archangel from one of the extra books of the Holy Bible

[woven flint]

Even some demons are currently in the hells

[halcyon bison]

And demons are worth mentioning, they're chaotic evil and enemies to devils (and everything else)

[hot marlin]

In D&D, Raphael is just a normal name, and there is one devil that happened to have that name.

[umbral girder]

Yeah DnD doesn’t do everything one to one

[jolly agate]

Gawd i love ur pfp ngl XD

[halcyon bison]

Thank you :3

[jolly agate]

it looks so silly

[vale sage]

Maybe he's named after the Renassiance artist lol

[halcyon bison]

She's my tech priest

[hot marlin]

Considering that the renaissance artist never operated in the Forgotten Realms, I doubt it

[jolly agate]

Like in Warhammer?

[fossil siren]

Doesn't gift of the protectors seem kind of underwhelming?

like compared to lifedrinker - an invocation of the same level

[halcyon bison]

Are the true names of demons and devils in D&D just what their names were in life? So the true name of Asmodeus is just like "Dave" or something

[woven flint]

Yes

[vale sage]

Oh demons and devils are dead people in D&D?

[halcyon bison]

That's very funny

[lavish flame]

No, they're similarly bizarre like their normal names

[woven flint]

Each being from other planes has a true name in which they can be bound

[hot marlin]

The flaw of this question is in its hidden assumption, that all devils are formerly people. This is not true of Asmodeus and of the other older denizens

[woven flint]

Fey, Angels, Devils, Demons

[woven flint]

Most were never people, especially the big names

[vale sage]

Fey are like Faries right?

[halcyon bison]

Kinda? They're alamangations of many evil souls

[woven flint]

Fairies, Hags, Goblins, and much more

[vale sage]

Oh that's a cool idea

[halcyon bison]

Fey are friends :3
You can always trust the fey

[severe rampart]

trying to haggle a very powerful wizard merchant

[lavish flame]

Yup. When you die in D&D, your soul goes to whatever Plane is closest in alignment to your Alignment. If you behaved Lawfully and Evilly, you become a Devil of the Nine Hells. If you behaved Chaotically, but not particularly Good or Evil, you become a Slaadi in Limbo.

[vale sage]

All this discussion of demons and devils 'n' stuff makes me feel like y'all need a Exorcism LMAO

[halcyon bison]

oh I did not know this

[vale sage]

Ahh that makes sense

[atomic moat]

Kind of, they start as the souls of dead people tortured until their personality is lost and a few will be promoted up the heirarchy. There are actually some types of demons that predate humanity though and came from a dying universe.

[vale sage]

So like there's a place for the Lawful Good, Chaotic Evil, such and such

[lavish flame]

yeah

[halcyon bison]

But regular devils, like a balor called "Galramax The Destroyer of Worlds" might've been Howard in life

[woven flint]

The demons and devils of D&D are alas, typically much more interesting to talk about than the angels...
Also, you can fight more of them than you can the angels as well

[hot marlin]

Bear in mind that other factors may play in one's afterlife.

[vale sage]

Wow whoever came up with all this lore is really cool

There's so many like details to this game!!

[hot marlin]

For example, elves do not go to any afterlife unless they are claimed in certain circumstances. They just reincarnate

[jovial shadow]

I don't believe true names have carried over into 5.5 except as some fantasy Quest

[woven flint]

Many people have over the years, its been a collabrative effort

[atomic moat]

I think most of it was solidified with the planescape setting, it really hasn't changed much since then.

[halcyon bison]

Honestly I don't like forgotten realms or "regular dnd" cosmology very much
I think pathfinder's cosmology is more interesting

[woven flint]

D&D has been around for 50 years now, I believe?

[hot marlin]

More than fifty years

[vale sage]

Is there like a D&D equivalent to like King Arthur, Camelot and the Knights of the roundtable? That's one of my fav myths/legends

[woven flint]

Ah

[lavish flame]

there's bleedover between the planes' alignments. Like there's more Outer Planes than there are Alignments, so if you were Lawful Evil in life, you might go to Acheron (LE/LN), The Nine Hells (LE), or Gehenna (LE/NE)

[vale sage]

I based my first character for my first ever campaign on King Arthur/Arthurian Legend, It's so fire 🔥

[hot marlin]

If you want to play a knight on a quest, there are plenty of options yes

[atomic moat]

Yeah a couple of settings have similarity to those stories and have been inspired by it, maybe Cormyr in the Forgotten Realms for example.

[lavish flame]

I'd say so. In my mind, groups like the Order of the Gauntlet or Purple Dragon Knights are basically just knightly orders of good dudes.

These are both groups specific to the Forgotten Realms, and aren't present in every D&D world.

[hot marlin]

Though how good those dudes are can be debatable.

[vale sage]

I meant more specific, Lady of the Lake, Sword in the Stone, Quest for Camelot, Holy Grail, Excalibur type stuff

[jovial shadow]

King Arthur's stuff was done back in ADnD 1st edition's deities and demigods

[hot marlin]

The Purple Dragon Knights are still the enforcers of a monarchy that can be brutal. The Order of the Gauntlet exists outside of normal national laws

[vale sage]

I want my first time playing D&D to feel like a DIO song fr 💯

[lavish flame]

I mean... Mines of Bloodstone straight up features a Lady of the Lake who gives you a +5 Holy Avenger Longsword if you're a good aligned Paladin. That was in Cormyr in 1e. I figure Cormyr can still do that fantasy.

[hot marlin]

There are naiads for your lady of the lake. Any magical weapon may take the place of the sword in the stone. Any magical item may take the place of the Grail.

[atomic moat]

The Harpers might be the organization that tries to do the most good, but they are mostly spies, bards and mages.

[halcyon bison]

People keep harping on and on about the harpers I don't get it (pun not serious harpers are cool)

[severe rampart]

Let's go I got a ring of spell storing and wand of magic missile just for 400 gp (and I have to get him a very powerful magic item from hell)

[vale sage]

Awesome! ❤️

[woven flint]

No group in D&D has done purely good deeds, alas

Like in real life, some organizations have skeletons in their closets

[severe rampart]

It feels good to be a little evil at times, haggling very powerful wizard merchants

[hot marlin]

Though honestly considering that the Arthurian texts are almost never clear on what the Grail actually is, you don't even need to bother making it a specific hing

[lavish flame]

Yeah D&D parties get up to some crazy shit. A lot of breaking & entering.

[undone rain]

So how many spells are there that enhance your weapon attacks really