dnd-discussion

[unreal drum]

Poltergeist might work.

[onyx haven]

Phantasm?

[lavish flame]

I like Phantasm if onpy because many other ghost-y names are already monsters

[scenic valley]

How do I grow a discord server

[fossil hollow]

#non-dnd-topics

[cobalt moth]

hey how do we start a solo dnd game can we use the bot?

[severe rampart]

It is highly advised not to use AI as a DM in DnD

[cobalt moth]

why? and i am new so i wanted to play it with ai as the dm first because i dont have people plaing d&d arond me

[severe rampart]

It does not understand rules, it frequently forgets things about DnD, etc.

[cerulean monolith]

Not to mention the other issues with AI... but mods will get mad if I start moralizing

[severe rampart]

You can play online, that's what the server is for

[severe rampart]

Exactly

[cobalt moth]

and i have inconsistent play time range so... thats why

[cerulean monolith]

PbP or West Marches may be options for you then

You think people haven't come up with solutions for this in the almost half a century they've been playing D&D? You don't need to resort to AI.

Wow, it actually is over half a century. 52 years.

[severe rampart]

I thought it was older

[cerulean monolith]

January 1974

[cobalt moth]

are these free?

[cerulean monolith]

why wouldn't they be?

Certainly freer than AI, and indubitably less costly than the consequences of AI

[zenith valley]

Alright I gotta ask am I in the wrong

So our dm gave us a book of hymns

And we asked what hymns are used in the book

We were told the song of the dawn

And as a Catholic myself I was curious as to what the hymns were or if they even existed

Because we do hymns

And our dm started flipping out and screaming at me for looking up the lyrics (they don’t exist)

Why would you give us a book of hymns something we can READ and get angry at us when we read the book

[cobalt moth]

you are not wrong

[zenith valley]

This dm also always is over my shoulder when I roll which uh I’m also a dm of the group as me and the other dm switch off when we have burnout and I’m known to not cheat as I can do way more fun with roleplay when I fail then when I succeed all the time and when he’s a player he out right cheats in every term

Like in the last campaign the group played one of the players wanted their hand at dming

And this mf chose to be an artificer which like ok fine that’s ok and cool

HOWEVER at 5th level he was making spell scrolls of polymorph making ships fly napalming islands turning a player into a steed and then an undead wyvern all using the find steed spell

And then whenever I’d do something he would pull up everything I did and rules lawyered me and made it seem like I was cheating the new dm when I simply misunderstood a spell

He’s consistently a problem player and causes problems when I don’t let him pull bullshit and wines that I’m targeting him when I actually have to make sure he’s not actively cheating and I mostly say no to the shit he tries to do and a overbearing DM specifically to me the group is kind of getting tired of him, but none of us want to kick him out because he hosts and no one else can host

Does anyone have any suggestion?

[burnt valley]

Is this even RAW

[glass granite]

None of yall have a place you can play dnd?

[burnt valley]

This is believable if they have Nystul's

[zenith valley]

NOPE

[glass granite]

First of all, all DM’s reserve the right to say “no”.
Second, talk to this player with the entire table.
Third, if possible, please find another location to play is step 2 doesn’t work.

[zenith valley]

no sadly we are all broke young adults who live with their parents

[zenith valley]

the thing is i called him out for cheating on this campaigns session 0 and he slimed his way out of it

and 2 guys just dont want to get into drama

[glass granite]

Like cheating in terms of dice rolling?

[zenith valley]

and in mechanics

like at lvl 5 you cant do all of those things

[glass granite]

The DM can simply say “no” to the mechanics, both RAW and not RAW

[zenith valley]

i say no and then he becomes a problem player

the new dm didnt know what was balanced or not

because it was his first time dming

and he would be super vauge when asking to do things

[burnt valley]

Are u able to describe on what they did to pull off this trick?

[zenith valley]

which one

[burnt valley]

The polymorph steed thing

[zenith valley]

oh that was 2 things

so the first one is simply "oh i made a spell scroll of polymorph"

when like lvl 5 and you cant do that

artificers cant even learn polymorph

[burnt valley]

What was the 2nd one

[hot gate]

That doesn't sound like a character trait that would make me want to play with them again.

[zenith valley]

and the second one was because he was a small creature and rode a player like a steed he casted find steed on said player and then when the player died he just summoned him as an undead wyvern

[hot gate]

So, just making things up, alright

[zenith valley]

yepppppp

[glass granite]

That’s relatively fine until casting find steed on the player

[zenith valley]

yeah and like i was telling the dm

[burnt valley]

Oh RAIMU (rules as i make up)

[zenith valley]

YOU CAN SAY NO

the thing i said the most to him is say no all the time

and i was like welp its your first time you gotta learn and then the problem started rules laywering me!

[hot gate]

If they don't want feedback or rules corrections during the game, that's to be respected, but I hope it was a learning experience at least.

[zenith valley]

oh he learned and hes pissed

[hot gate]

rules for thee and not for me, eh?

Well, I'd definitely discuss game expectations outside of the game before I'd play with that person again. And if they don't respect that, I'd not invite them back.

[zenith valley]

cuz like heres the thing i made a very specific potion homebrew mind you for the shifter and its basically lets let the lycanthopy take full control for 8 minutes however you need to roll a HIGH con and intelegence save to even stay sane and concious and if you fail you become a monster controlled by the dm and if you succseed your a lycanthrope for 8 minutes and after that you have 5 levels of exahaustion and your immune system is so weak that you are weak to all viruses your con stats are negative and you have a weakness to poision i did this cuz like hey fun break glass in case of emergency and i painstakingly explained it to the dm and told him YOU CAN SAY NO ill be ok

he said yes and i said are you sure??? and said everything again

[hot gate]

Well that DM likely had no context for lycanthropy either, so I'd just recommend not to homebrew stuff like that when learning the game.

[zenith valley]

no no no

i told him everything

[hot gate]

Sure, but it's a whole bunch of rules that don't mean much to someone that is new.

My point stands. There are enough rules as it is

[zenith valley]

i mean fair but its not like i vaugly said something to get away with doing whatever i want

but he said yes and then the problem player got mad that i could do that and then after he made a fit and then i got nerfed killed a boss we werent supposed to kill in one shot killing everyone but him revived everyone did the stupid steed shit and then NAPALMED AND ENTIRE VILLAGE WITH A FLYING PIRATE SHIP

[hot gate]

Perhaps you could try a game where everyone just tries to play by the rules as much as they can.

[zenith valley]

that just becomes playground my invincible beam destroys yours

[hot gate]

Exactly. That's what differentiates D&D from Calvinball.

[zenith valley]

yeah its just im pissed cuz hes doing the rules for thee not for me shit on me and its just like getting to be too much for me and idk how to bring it up

like do i just say something on the server like hey uh this is bullshit because i cant take the double standards anymore?

[knotty pasture]

You can also just leave the table

[zenith valley]

i made the group

[limber trail]

If you aren’t enjoying the game you can leave

[zenith valley]

its my group

[hot gate]

Perhaps something like "hey I did not enjoy the last session as much as I wanted to and I feel like it's because the rules weren't applied evenly and fairly"

[limber trail]

You’re not obligated to keep playing because you started the group

It’s a group - it doesn’t rely on you. If they want to keep playing they can organize themselves

[hot gate]

If the problem player does not respect your feelings on the matter, I'd kick them or stop playing with them.

[zenith valley]

its more everyone has a problem with him and we dont leave because we dont have a place to play other then his

[limber trail]

You can look into playing online, and a lot of public libraries and game stores will allow you to host games there

[hot gate]

Consult the chart

[zenith valley]

online sucks and uh we dont got money to play at other gamestores

and we are uh loud and have alchohol involed so no librarys

[echo meteor]

lol ur friend group is wack

[hot gate]

Could try a public park, office after-hours, or check for game stores that don't require you to pay.

[zenith valley]

we are all broke canadians who cant afford appartments let alone renting out spaces to play dnd

[echo meteor]

u dont have to play d&d with this guy. im sure he is “cool” outside of d&d i guess

[zenith valley]

ah darn i dont have embed privileges

[hot gate]

Nobody can embed gifs, it's a server thing

[zenith valley]

ah

muted the word l a m e

what????

[hot gate]

yep, it's ableist, look it up

[zenith valley]

oh lord i miss when as an autistic man i could say the r word

[severe rampart]

Crazy thing to say

[zenith valley]

i mean i dont think anyone should be protected from insult not even me

keeps everyone at the same level

either way uh what do about player

cuz i dont really wanna leave or have the group leave cuz uh accomodations is nice

[hot gate]

Well, consult the chart

[knotty pasture]

Kick the troublemakers out

[hot gate]

No DnD is better than bad DnD

[undone rain]

Dnd todaaaaay

[chrome harness]

Wut

[marble lion]

Bad dnd is worse than no dnd

Dont play bad dnd

I know a canadian friend in the exact same boat
I wonder if this is one of them

[chrome harness]

What if it’s funny?

[severe rampart]

no DnD makes you want to play DnD, bad DnD makes you not want to play DnD

[marble lion]

Then its not bad

[severe rampart]

Oh I've been in a lot of bad DnD groups, even if they were funny, they weren't good

I was losing my mind and laughing at the absurdity, not because I was having fun

[chrome harness]

😄

[marble lion]

If its funny enough to look forward to sessions, its fine dnd

[chrome harness]

LOL, what happened?

[marble lion]

If its not, probably leave

[chrome harness]

😢

[severe rampart]

DM had a month to prepare, came up to the session with no goal for the party, no introduction, no VTT, no plan, he said quote "Do whatever you want", it was clear he was improvising through it all, and it was all BS, he also had no idea how the mechanics he wanted work

[marble lion]

Dnd is so much like a relationship to me its funny

Whether dnd is good or bad for you is very alike to it

[chrome harness]

Damn…that‘s shit, sounds like something I‘d do.

I have a big procrastination problem

[marble lion]

Then you better get on that after the weekend

[severe rampart]

then being the DM aint for you, I procrastinate a lot, but not when I'm preparing something for my players

[chrome harness]

Oki

[chrome harness]

Ye, I don’t want to be a dm anyway

It‘s too stressful

[severe rampart]

It's fun

[glass granite]

Agreed

[chrome harness]

Really?? Managing random players is fun??

[severe rampart]

If you all have a level of maturity with some light heartedness on the table, then yeah

[marble lion]

I dont play with randoms

[chrome harness]

Ok

[severe rampart]

and everyone is strangers until they get to know each other

[marble lion]

I play with people i have a social tie to so i can hold them accountable for their behaviour

[chrome harness]

LOL

[formal seal]

I host three online campaigns with random players, it’s been very fun so far!

[chrome harness]

How do u do that?

[marble lion]

And i just enjoy it more when playing with friends

[chrome harness]

At the same time?!

[formal seal]

Yep! Tuesday, Thursday and Mondays.

[chrome harness]

Cool, my friends sadly don’t play dnd

[formal seal]

And an in person one at Saturdays

[marble lion]

Could try to make new friends

[chrome harness]

God damn, with a job???

[formal seal]

I.. need to remove a campaign—I’m in the middle of practicing to be a mortician.

[severe rampart]

Some people even make DnD their job

[formal seal]

Yehehehee, late night shifts though

[severe rampart]

Urizt the Great, we yearn to attain his level

[chrome harness]

True, sounds like heaven.

[formal seal]

Urizzt

[chrome harness]

Lol

[marble lion]

I much prefer 1-2 weekly games homegame style

[chrome harness]

Me too

[marble lion]

With occasional cancelling

[chrome harness]

Yeah, it’s less stressful

[marble lion]

Not weeks apart but i dont like it being clockwork every single week

[chrome harness]

I hate routines too

They get boring after a while

[marble lion]

I like routines but not for dnd

[severe rampart]

I'm in 3 campaigns and DMing another

[solar nebula]

what is the best level to start on for a one shot

[formal seal]

I like routines, but I definitely sound extremely drained in campaigns and one-time, during pizza break, my friends watched me lay down on the floor and take a fifteen minute nap.

It was bad

[chrome harness]

Lmao

[marble lion]

I nap before the session usually

[severe rampart]

Urizt is DMing 7, Tokii is in 6 campaigns at the same time, I assure you mine is not as impressive as theirs

[marble lion]

If i cant sleep, i meditate

[formal seal]

RISKYYYY, what if you oversleep???

[chrome harness]

Damn…that’s sad.

[severe rampart]

Risky

[marble lion]

Whats sad about that

[formal seal]

I play Overwatch before a session, which is arguably worse but it keeps me awake.

[severe rampart]

Wdym? Naps are very healthy

[marble lion]

No i never miss an alarm. Im a very punctual person

My upbringing gave me that virtue at least

[chrome harness]

Just.. the fact that you don’t sleep well otherwise

[marble lion]

Fair but i mostly do it to calm down and focus in the session, not because i need sleep

[chrome harness]

Ah, ok, makes sense

Aren’t you tired during the session

[marble lion]

No

I do this just to not cancel

[chrome harness]

Damn..ig youre not a guy who takes 10 minutes to wake up

[marble lion]

With the hardship of life, DMing can sometimes seem so pointless and challenging that i want to cancel the session right before we play

Meditating gets me through that wave of negativity

[severe rampart]

And if the DM isn't feeling well they'd cancel the session, the players would understand that if the DM continued it would not only bring down the session but also their wellbeing

[chrome harness]

Sheesh dude, you gotta take some time of work

[marble lion]

It is what it is

[chrome harness]

You’ve got a point

Anyways

I’ve gotta go now

[marble lion]

Good luck

[chrome harness]

Bye

[severe rampart]

Anyone else here use the Owlbear VTT? if so, is there any way to let players see the doors when using the "Fog" extension?

[marble lion]

I could respond but you wont like what i have to say

[severe rampart]

No, no, go on

[marble lion]

Uhhh doors? Fog? Just dont use extentions

Next youre gonna say you use dynamic lighting

[severe rampart]

Gives for a more creepy vibe in dungeons when they have limited vision

[severe rampart]

Yes I do, I like it

[indigo cedar]

I have an even worse answer tbh, just use Foundry ;D

[marble lion]

I know, we had a talk about this before ;)

[indigo cedar]

Owlbear is great tho, not used it for ages now, but it does the job its supposed to do

[severe rampart]

Foundry is 60 dollars iirc?, 1 dollar here is = 60 of our currency, so Foundry costs 3,464 currency for me

[indigo cedar]

Foundry does have a cost to it, there is no denying that

[proper forum]

I found a homebrew cleric Subclass with OP channel divinity. I could just laugh at it... or I could be evil and use it.

[severe rampart]

and it's got a pretty steep learning curve

[marble lion]

I like owlbear. I put map
I put tokens
I smile

[wanton copper]

Uh hi everyone, I'm new to d&d and I wanna join a campaign but I use Roll20

[severe rampart]

#looking-for-players can help

[proper forum]

Go to #looking-for-dm if you're a player and not a dm

[marble lion]

And my #find-a-game

And my #dnd-newcomers

[marble lion]

You got it upside down

[severe rampart]

I like owlbear.
I put map, I put tokens, I place fog and doors, I smile

[marble lion]

And walls and collision extentions!

[severe rampart]

Fog adds walls and collision on its own

[marble lion]

I bet soon youll automate sheets

[severe rampart]

Haise, fog already does collision and walls 😭

[marble lion]

Leaving behind childlike wonder of bottlecaps on a carpet

[marble lion]

If you cry, i cry 😭

[severe rampart]

And if I ever get this amount of money, I'm spending it on books and not a VTT

[echo meteor]

dynamic lighting is garbage

just manually reveal fog as needed

gives you far better control over the narrative

and people aren’t trying to “cheat there system” by wiggling their tokens around to see the map… or if an event happens, when you describe a room… they can see wtf youre talking about

[severe rampart]

I prefer the eerie vibe in dungeons with it on, personally

[echo meteor]

idk where you get the “eerie” vibe from

when i first saw it, id think, “this is really cool!” then i would get players that get tunnel visioned on what THEY see and just start tuning stuff out that they CAN’T see… just start scrolling on the phone etc.

[tender pier]

Hey general question for the channel

Am I free to discuss dnd youtubers?

[severe rampart]

It has been brought up here as a topic at times, yes, or you can go to #dnd-media

[tender pier]

So anyone here know legends of avantris?

[severe rampart]

I don't get what you mean

[severe rampart]

It is a fairly popular channel with a lot of animated shorts, yeah

[echo meteor]

it imagine your a player, another player enters a room… you describe the room to the other player, the monster, setting, etc…

but you as a player see NOTHING because your token isn’t there

so, you just get bored and just start scrolling on your phone

[tender pier]

If yall know, what is the most funniest short of legend of avantris (in your opinion)

[severe rampart]

On owlbear, how the dynamic lighting works is, what other players see, you also see, and vice versa, also sounds like we have vastly different players

[echo meteor]

oh, that’s actually much better

that’s not what i’ve seen from other dynamic lighting

[severe rampart]

Different VTTs, yeah

I wonder if I could show you what I mean on #dnd-maps

[severe rampart]

probably not, I think, might be disallowed there

[humble cairn]

My Ranger is an irresponsible herpetologist. We just jumped into one of the Hells and I forgot that I had two swarms of venomous snakes in my bag that I had befriended.

[echo meteor]

they study herpes?

[severe rampart]

You forgot that you had two swarms of snakes in your bag? that's hilarious in canon

[humble cairn]

Reptiles.

[echo meteor]

what’s wrong with bringing snakes to hell?

[humble cairn]

There was a pit full of snakes that one of our party was being dangled over two sessions (one month rl time) ago and I have +17 to my Animal Handling.

[severe rampart]

Reminds me when I ran two oneshots and in both of them, the wizards rolled a natural 20 on animal handling and managed to tame the animated broom.

[humble cairn]

It's not their natural habitat and it's dangerous. I have a Stable and an Emerald Enclave Grove at my Bastion, I should have sent them back there.

[glass granite]

That’s what’s dnd is all about: forgetting details that lead to mildly amusing moments.

And at the same time a bit concerning

[severe rampart]

What's funny is the broom in oneshot 1 killed a party member, and the broom in oneshot 2 actually saved the wizard's life, but was destroyed in the process

[humble cairn]

My Ranger is based on a bit of Steve and a bit of Robert Irwin, he's an ecological conservationist.

[echo meteor]

i mean, if you introduce creatures to a new environment, they can either die, or become an invasive species

😛

[humble cairn]

Neither of which is something a responsible ecological conservationist wants.

[still plover]

How many of the things in the Hells ignore poison?

[severe rampart]

Please don't reveal your age online.

1. I'm sure someone will, as long as you have enough maturity, and are willing to learn.

2. If you are patient enough

[echo meteor]

trueee, though.. why would a responsible ecological conservationist carry along snakes?

[humble cairn]

Because he wasn't going to leave them to starve in that pit!

[echo meteor]

oop, someone’s gonna get banned

[severe rampart]

People love handing out their personal information just like that

[echo meteor]

minimum age for discord is 13

[glass granite]

Kinda odd like that

[graceful terrace]

oh

[severe rampart]

Isn't poison one of the most common resistances/immunities?

[glass granite]

Personally I’ve experienced decent success finding games as a minor

[graceful terrace]

i've actually played dnd before, very fun and im glad to try it for once

[echo meteor]

it’s not the game, it’s the people u play with 😭

[graceful terrace]

ohhhhhh

[glass granite]

Though, I think I’m an exception rather than the rule

[graceful terrace]

so what would you reccomend exactly?

[glass granite]

Friend groups, local games stores, maybe libraries or schools

[severe rampart]

in person games in game stores near you, or the LFG channels, make sure to communicate with your DM about your situation.

[graceful terrace]

i dont know about those considering around my area, dnd isnt that popular

[glass granite]

You could try to get friends into dnd, worked for me

[still plover]

So it's said. I guess that would reduce the chances of the snakes becoming invasive, given the two options.

[graceful terrace]

all my friends dont got patience...

which, that sucks

[severe rampart]

I've been slowly and meticulously introducing my friends to it without naming it as "DnD"... it might work

[graceful terrace]

too late ;-;

[zenith valley]

I mean I am Canadian lol

[severe rampart]

and I doubt snakes could even attempt to defeat hellish beings

[graceful terrace]

oh wait so you're allowed to give nationality?

[glass granite]

You can, I’m Aussie.

[graceful terrace]

im irish

[halcyon forum]

basically just dont doxx yourself

[glass granite]

I recommend you read the server rules on it
Also hi Irish, I’m Nugget

[graceful terrace]

ahh

[still plover]

There's always Crab Truckers.

[severe rampart]

I thought you were Nugget?

[graceful terrace]

what are those exactly?

[still plover]

It's a free RPG.

[glass granite]

Maybe I am

[graceful terrace]

might look into that later

brb imma go look at rules

[severe rampart]

You think so? strange... I know a fellow who also thunk that, and he was

[glass granite]

Thunk
Imma steal that

[severe rampart]

Yes, thunk is very fun to say

[graceful terrace]

back

[severe rampart]

then again I also pronounce "Zarovich" as "Ze - ro - vi - k"

[glass granite]

I’ve thunked hard about what to do for dnd next week…

[graceful terrace]

correction : thought

[still plover]

And then?

[severe rampart]

"Thunk occurs as the past tense and past participle of think in some regional dialects"

[graceful terrace]

anyways i built a character and im glad to say it actually isnt that hard

[graceful terrace]

ahhhhhh

[severe rampart]

Perhaps earn some gold? nearly all of my characters are dirt broke

[graceful terrace]

my character has 490 gp, HELP 😭

[marble lion]

Thats why i said that

[graceful terrace]

imma try look for a game minor-friendly

[severe rampart]

as starting gold? that doesn't sound right

[stuck shuttle]

How did you get that much gold?

[humble cairn]

Probably just by adding it. DNDBeyond doesn't really prevent you from doing a lot of things, even if they are wrong. It's not a good teaching tool. It's a good assistant for someone who already knows the rules.

[stuck shuttle]

That's what I would assume, or adding starting gold multiple times on accident

[marble lion]

By earning it

He got the background origin feat "job"

[swift wren]

A chicken costs 2cp so you can be the chump with 490 gold or the one who brought nearly 25k chickens to the dungeon

[fair summit]

An elephant is 200 gold 😏

[marble lion]

But you need to feed those chickens

[fair summit]

Only if they live long enough to need to be fed!

[marble lion]

I guess if you let them cannibalise, you can still have a good amount left on arrival

[swift wren]

CoS - Chicken of Sustainability
WotC - War of the Chickens

[marble lion]

PWC
Power word chicken

Summon woodland chickens

[fair summit]

The beast most fowl

[reef copper]

Get this poor person outa here :3

[coarse ravine]

I think being able to summon those evil chickens that dont die would be annoying

If it was a lower intelligence monster that would just keep attacking them while being surrounded

[severe rampart]

CME
Chicken Mass Empower

[coarse ravine]

Instead of coming after you

[severe rampart]

490 gp as starting gold is insane

[reef copper]

Oh yeah thats a lot by standard rules since you normaly get like 15

[coarse ravine]

Maybe mu dm just didn't let them die? Idk we weren't in the abyss

Not sure but does say abysal chickens just go back to the abyss when they die

Not sure why they kept not dying unless im not reading the stat block entirely lol

[severe rampart]

did you try summoning opposing abyssal chickens?

[coarse ravine]

No dm was hinting early in campaign of abysal creatures coming into our world. Slowly from like level 3-level 10 while we were doing our main campaign stuff

Around level 10-12 we were fighting Yeenoghu

So... idk if the influence of him was what was keeping them around? Not sure

But they weren't dying lol so my character starting digging a trench with mold earth whole others fought. 3 rounds later 15 foot hole

We threw em in there and just roasted em until they were burnt to a crisp.

[exotic sinew]

What class do you think each member of the family in Malcom in the Middle would be? I know Lois would definitely be a barbarian with that rage lol 😂

[graceful terrace]

i got lucky but uhhhh

did i do something wrong?

[reef copper]

Ask your dm

[graceful terrace]

dont got one yet

[stuck shuttle]

not strictly, how did you get lucky?

[graceful terrace]

i rolled how the players handbook said

[marble lion]

Young boy would be warlock and grandmother his patron

[stuck shuttle]

Ah it's a 2014 5e character, what class and background are you?

[graceful terrace]

im a fighter so i roll 5d4s and multiply 10gp by those numbers

outlander too

[marble lion]

Malcolm is the bard
His old brother is a rogue and dad is the upstanding fighter

[stuck shuttle]

That seems off then. The maximum possible result of 5d4 is 20

[exotic sinew]

What older brother Reese or Francis

[stuck shuttle]

Did you take the results of each d4 and multiply them by each other?

[graceful terrace]

no i took ten

rolled a d4 and got my number

multiplied that and did the same thing for 4 times

[stuck shuttle]

Something's off with your math then, The best possible result of 5d4 is rolling all 4s is 20 (4+4+4+4+4), which would result in a maximum starting gp of 200

[reef copper]

200gold should be the maximum 5x4x10=200

[graceful terrace]

so you're saying i should redo my gp amount?

[stuck shuttle]

Yeah

[exotic sinew]

@graceful terrace are you using the starting equipment from your class and background as well?

[stuck shuttle]

Also if you're planning on taking the gold option you'll need to purchase your starting equipment

[graceful terrace]

ok but wait i multiplied the answer of my last multiplication, is that wrong?

[stuck shuttle]

What was the result of your 5d4s?

[graceful terrace]

4,3,1,1,1

[reef copper]

100gp

[graceful terrace]

counting my equipment?

[exotic sinew]

You either roll for gold and buy equipment or use the pre set equipment listed in the class and background

[stuck shuttle]

Yeah so 4+3+1+1+1 = 10 --> multiply by 10 --> 100 gp

[graceful terrace]

OHHHHHHHHHHHH

no that would be 70 right?

[stuck shuttle]

As per the PHB if you choose to roll for gold you don't get starting equipment by default, you have to purchase it

[graceful terrace]

oh wait ur right

[exotic sinew]

How is 10x10 70 ……..

[graceful terrace]

shoot i may have messed up my character...

damn it.

[stuck shuttle]

If you can share it in #dnd-newcomers or #character-discussion people can review it to check for any errors

[graceful terrace]

oh alright

[exotic sinew]

You can only pick one or the other. Roll for gold and buy equipment or use the pre set stuff

[graceful terrace]

oh so i wont have gold then?

[exotic sinew]

You will

Like my level 1 character has 23 gold

[graceful terrace]

i used my preset things i think

is it the one where you have to choose from what the book gives you?

[exotic sinew]

What class and background are you again sorry

[graceful terrace]

fighter outlander

[exotic sinew]

And 2014 ruleset right

[stuck shuttle]

And to confirm, you're planning on playing 2014 5e right?

[graceful terrace]

i think

how do i check?

nvm it is 2014 5e

switch to character discussion

[exotic sinew]

So if you take the fighter gear and outlander background you have 10gp plus all your equipment

If you want to roll for your gold you don’t get any equipment you have to buy it all 🙂

I also didn’t realise 2014 classes don’t give you gold in themselves it’s only from background

I am not sure how you go about selling stuff you don’t want from the equipment prior to a campaign starting for some extra starting gold.

I play 2024 and usually if possible do custom backgrounds to have the preset class stuff and then 50gp to spend how I want, I can pick my ability score improvements, skill and to proficiencies. But that’s just me

[still plover]

Generally you just exchange things at list price.

A fun exercise for 2014 is to figure your gear as if you rolled the minimum gold. Good to see what's really important.

[sour cave]

Never leaving home without my trusty crowbar

[graceful terrace]

anyone allow minors for a campaign? im also very eager to start early so if we could do a campaign somewhere around next weekend, i'd be more than glad to join!

[severe rampart]

This isn't the channel for that, #looking-for-players is the place you want

[graceful terrace]

k

[lapis prism]

I threw my dice this morning in preparation of our session tonight, nat1... its going to be a good day 🙃

[severe rampart]

Oh boy, I did that once, rolled a nat 1 before the session, throughout it my highest roll was a natural 8, until the end where I rolled a 19 (my first double digit roll)

[lapis prism]

Last session our archer(our main dps basically) only rolled nat1s, almost killed out paladin and hit a bridge a few times was hilarious 😂

But most of the time our rolls consist of either getting 20s on useless stuff or we always miss on important spells, god i love dnd

[severe rampart]

I once rolled a 0 in roleplay and I loved roleplaying it

"Roll religion" ... "Zero"

[lapis prism]

Our dm had to force perception on us because we entered something important and all rolled under 10..

[severe rampart]

Oh I usually just use passive perception for that kind of stuff, I don't hide (most) things behind ability checks

[lapis prism]

We enjoy the laugh of us being all a bunch of smart ass(almost all have 14+ int) and then miss everything possible, its great

[severe rampart]

my 8 int and 10 wisdom character suffers

[lapis prism]

I'm a gnome druid(8 strength) it's painful

[severe rampart]

said character also has 8 strength

[lapis prism]

Oh god, all char?

[severe rampart]

8 15 14 8 10 18 is the stat spread

Strength is almost always my dump stat

[lapis prism]

Next character i make if my druid dies I wanna make a bonk Boi, all strength no brain

[severe rampart]

if my child sorcerer dies I'm gonna sob

I have commissioned like 20 artists already, I have a lot of artworks of him

I am too attached to a character and I am scared

[lapis prism]

I am not attached to my druid its so much paperwork with all his spells, effects and etc etc

Killing trees with a guy thats his whole schtick

[severe rampart]

Oh boy I have some plans for my character... a lot of plans... if they die I'll have to start over

[tame owl]

Helloooo

Is this server active ? Do people play DND often ?

[idle oar]

We don't host D&D games on this server but we are the official D&D Discord server run by Wizards of the Coast

If you are looking for a group to join to play D&D, please read #find-a-game as it explains how to use the Looking For Game channels to find a game

[serene jolt]

We have a campaign where we rolled stats. Normally we get two sets to work with. One set had a 5, it wasn't a great set but I absolutely had to take it.

I now have a ranger with 5 int and she is the funniest thing ever to play. Her drake (she's a Drakewarden) is smarter than her and it's hilarious.

[undone rain]

God it took us over an hour to fight a boss. Finally its dead

[severe rampart]

just over an hour? nice!

[knotty vine]

[lyric viper]

.> Glances at some of the big boss battles in her game that took 6+ hours

[coarse ravine]

In character hour lol. It took them 600 rounds

[lyric viper]

...o-oh. That's. A lot.

[coarse ravine]

That would be insane haha. Thats more like a dungeon crawl played out in every movement etc. But for a dm to track that many rounds would be crazy hahah

[exotic sinew]

Look at your local game stores if they run Adventurers league that is open to people of all ages and in most places the DMs have a working with children’s clearance and police checks. But just check prior if you are worried

[graceful terrace]

i dont have any local game stores

[lyric viper]

Yeah, I can't think of any battle, not even the stupid long ones that lasted more than.. 20 rounds? Maybe a little over?
Certainly none over 30 rounds.

[exotic sinew]

There are no places near you that sell like magic the gathering cards or war hammer stuff or Pokémon stuff or DnD stuff

[graceful terrace]

nope

i got my PHB from online

[exotic sinew]

How hard have you looked good sir

[graceful terrace]

i have NO recognition of stores that sell dnd stuff

i've been out town multiple times and no sight

[exotic sinew]

Do you have Google maps

[woeful zinc]

I have a question about a feature of a weapon I’m confused about

[exotic sinew]

Or Google in general

[graceful terrace]

yes and i doubt there is gonna be adventurers league

[exotic sinew]

What is it?

[graceful terrace]

im checking google maps just now

[exotic sinew]

It won’t hurt to ask. And even if they don’t run the games if they sell DnD stuff or other table top/card/board games it’s most likely that they will know a place that has organised play

[woeful zinc]

So, the nick feature allows you to make an extra light attack as an action ie, if I were to hold two daggers with this feature, I could attack twice as my action alone correct?

[graceful terrace]

nearest location is about 2 hours away...

yeah i might just stick with online lol

[severe rampart]

From DnD beyond?

[graceful terrace]

no from amazon

[exotic sinew]

So pretty much if you make an attack with a main one handed or versatile weapon and have a weapon in your other hand that has nick rather than making the attack with other weapon (dagger on your case) as a bonus action you make it on the same action as your main weapon.

This allows you to use your bonus action to say cast a spell or drink a healing potion

[exotic sinew]

That’s fair I was just thinking if you wanted to find an easy access route to in person table games.

Keep an eye out for conventions and stuff near you can if you want to attend they might have a few AL tables running at the convention

[graceful terrace]

uh

i doubt that considering my area is not a place for dnd

[knotty vine]

I feel like stroking someone down

[exotic sinew]

I volunteer as tribute

[woeful zinc]

Ok, cause my idea is using a short sword in one hand, and a dagger in the other, with nick, and then scaling in paladin and rogue

Each turn, I hit with the sword. Then the dagger, since its all action, then, I bonus action with divine smite

Leading to 1d4 + 1d6 + 2d8 + 10

(Not even counting sneak attack since I’m not swashbuckler yet)

[knotty vine]

I prefer doing my Hold person smite combo

[woeful zinc]

Nah my plan is compelled duel to just ruin some guy’s day

[exotic sinew]

Idk where you getting the +10 from but yes theoretically you can do that.

If you have mastery on the shortsword as well as the dagger you will get advantage on the attack roll for the dagger.

Also I think sneak attack would only apply to the shortsword and divine smite (if it’s applied to the smites) not the dagger as technically speaking the nick attack is still a seperate attack.

[knotty vine]

Probably a +5 in dex

[woeful zinc]

The +10 comes from the damage bonus of the weapons

[graceful terrace]

cant wait to start a new campaign

[exotic sinew]

Well unless you already have two weapon fighting you don’t add the modifier to your off hand attack.

[coarse ravine]

I did have one where a player was mining on his own... "split the party" miles away from party. Ran into a fairie dragon and it kept going invisible and his disadvantage kept missing it was a insane 1v1. He attacked the faerie dragon i didn't attack him lol. He had to roll disadvantage from the invisibility and it was just a slog lol

[knotty vine]

It’s not the off hand attack it’s Nick in which case you still do add your mod to the attack

[coarse ravine]

19 rounds.... but rest of the party was laughing hysterically

[exotic sinew]

No you don’t

[knotty vine]

Oh

So that’s why the changed two weapon fighting

[exotic sinew]

All nick is doing is freeing up the bonus actions it’s still the off hand attack.

[woeful zinc]

Ok so correct me if I’m wrong then

But the output damage would actually be 1d4 + 1d6 + 2d8 + 5?

[knotty vine]

I still want iron grip as an official feat cause it gives weapon with the versatile property the light property as well for you meaning you could dual wield long swords

[coarse ravine]

Faerie dragon ended up knocking him out but I stabilized him with the faerie dragon just to not have a pc death that felt meaningless lol. But my goodness 19 rounds was insane. Also for a faerie dragon to kill you lol. That was sad he was like level 9 I think cant remember

[knotty vine]

That seems to be the case

[coarse ravine]

They never split the party again tho hahaha

[woeful zinc]

I think that’s pretty good damage output at level 2

[knotty vine]

At the case of an expended spell slot yeah I guess

[exotic sinew]

If you don’t have 2 weapon fighting yes. If you do have 2 weapon fighting it would be +10 if both attacks hit

[knotty vine]

• you have a 20 in dex so it makes sense

[exotic sinew]

20 in Dex at level 2??? How

[woeful zinc]

I got really lucky in my rolls

[exotic sinew]

Right right

I am so used to point buy nevermind me sorry. 😔

[coarse ravine]

More balanced that way

[knotty vine]

Our dm allowed made us use a somewhat kinda standard array type them where if you turn your 8 into a 7 you could turn your 17 into an 18

[woeful zinc]

Granted I kinda got lucky and unlucky

[coarse ravine]

Level 1 with 2 18s and a 20 with dump stats of 14s

Just crazy for balance

[woeful zinc]

Cause my intelligence is 9, but that’s a dump stat on all of my characters, who need smarts when stab good

[knotty vine]

You say that now until your fighting a mind flayer

[exotic sinew]

I have had bad luck on like random tables and I have super bad mental health issues where playing at someone’s house I feel trapped so I play exclusively at AL tables in public settings and they only allow point buy so that someone cannot rock up as a level 1 and say they rolled 18 for every stat

[knotty vine]

I managed to get two 18s at the cost of having a 3 an int one time

[woeful zinc]

I have no mind to flay checkmate atheist

[knotty vine]

mazes you

I still like how ridiculous the maze spell is

[woeful zinc]

It got to a point in one campaign we made it canon were reading my character’s mind would make the reader take psychic damage out of pure confusion on how I’m considered sapient

[exotic sinew]

Imagine a character being an atheist in the DnD universe. That would be as delusional as Flat Earthers are

[coarse ravine]

I pulled a 5 one time... so I made a tortoise warlock. His patron was illmater so he took honor in suffering. He was killed by torturers who cut off his legs. Illmater brought him back to teach others to endure the suffering (flavor)

Dumped dex cause they cooked his legs for tortle soup

[knotty vine]

9 just means your slightly dumber then the average person

[woeful zinc]

My intelligence wasn’t 9 in that campaign…

[knotty vine]

What was it

[woeful zinc]

4

[knotty vine]

Hm

[exotic sinew]

Oh….. I ain’t gonna like tortle soup kinda does sound like it would taste yummy though

[coarse ravine]

It is good

[knotty vine]

Maze is still a really funny spell

[coarse ravine]

But it was his flavor lol.

[knotty vine]

Just “your gone” no saves or anything

[coarse ravine]

Non saving throw it really is underutilized as a encounter ender

Haven't seen it once used

But its amazing

[knotty vine]

I’ve used it plenty of times on my players

[exotic sinew]

Oki doki

Night night Nerdzz hope you all have fun

[woeful zinc]

I’ve never gotten that high of a level to use 8th level spells my characters usually die beforehand

[coarse ravine]

I gotta remember that for my next high level quest

What do you have like 5 high mages or somethin?

If they can cast 9th level spells like timestop ya just replace the spells

[knotty vine]

You could just make it a powerful once a day ability that’s usually what I do

[coarse ravine]

Maze is 8th level i think

So if they can cast 8th level spells you can just replace em. I like that

Or maybe a lair thing......

Step into this area and boom

[knotty vine]

I had one mage cast maze on the barbarian and then another cast globe of invulnerability

[coarse ravine]

I like timestop for the dramatic affect lol

My mage can walk up and smell their faces. Talk trash tell them they stink lol

Etc

[knotty vine]

If you want one mage you can give there a super easy yet powerful trait that another monster has

Let’s take a look at Niv-mizzet

Locus of the fire mind

Locus of the Firemind. Niv-Mizzet can maintain concentration on two different spells at the same time. In addition, he has advantage on saving throws to maintain concentration on spells.

[coarse ravine]

Wow

Thats... reverse gravity and prismatic wall type stuff

[knotty vine]

Funnily the monster that has that legit has those to spell on the stat block lmao

[coarse ravine]

Wow

Just a insane amount of damage not including the other affects

[knotty vine]

Yeah he’s crazy

Not to mention he’s a ancient dragon

[coarse ravine]

Cr 30?

[knotty vine]

26

[coarse ravine]

Gotta be with that combo

[coarse ravine]

I guess

[knotty vine]

It’s from guild masters so yeah

[coarse ravine]

Can you?

[torpid hound]

Donkey from Shrek was the world's first Bard

[knotty vine]

Oh yeah another really fun ability that he has is whenever he cats a spell that does damage he can change it to cold fire lightning thunder or force

[coarse ravine]

I rarely play wizard cause after dming wizards I hate em hahha. Too op so idk

[knotty vine]

So he can make all of prismatic wall just do pure force damage

[still plover]

Extra attack at level 6, a weapon in each hand, sure.

[severe rampart]

The only spells I know are fireball and speak with animals, play ball

[knotty vine]

Nobody bans wizards

[still plover]

There was that one game RetroKnight was in. He said it was a great campaign.

[coarse ravine]

Yeah I dont ban anything really besides silvery at my table

And homebrew

I ban silvery for good reasons

Cause if you can do it I can do it... I dont wanta do that to you. So the spell itself is banned.

[knotty vine]

I can somewhat understand slivery since anybody can just grab that spell to negate a crit

[coarse ravine]

I was once Silveried on a feeble mind spell by the dm.

I have forever hated that spell since.

[still plover]

Three melee attacks total, or two and a cantrip.

[dark pewter]

I've never banned SB, but I also run my games as a very heroic fantasy, and that spell feels heroic. Plus, it's really good at wasting low-level spell slots.

[knotty vine]

Feeble mind is a super strong spell

[still plover]

Attack, dual wield, extra attack.

[coarse ravine]

Yeah so imagine you pass it and the dm silvery barbs you

Thats exactly what happened

[robust fable]

I have a 24 question,

Was the change to the metallic dragon's breath intentional?

[coarse ravine]

Yes but again if player can do it so can dm. I dont want to have that option. Also to be fair the spell is downright broken on a order cleric lol

Give melee advantage now he gets to attack

Fey touched gets you silvery barbs so order clerics can take it

[robust fable]

They can just spam the non damaging breath, ever single turn

[dark pewter]

I just don't use it often as a DM. Sure, it's in my toolbox, but I save it for encounters where it makes sense for an enemy to have. Same treatment as Counterspell

[rough basalt]

I used to have Silvery banned but then I switched to what content I don't own isn't allowed and now that I own strixhaven it's back on the table

[severe rampart]

Two Weapon fighting?

[coarse ravine]

True... its not like im counterspelling even 5% of their spells lol

[still plover]

Use a couple of light weapons. Be level 6 for extra attack. Attack twice, make a bonus action attack for the third.

https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/dnd/br-2024/equipment#Light

[burnt valley]

i think its overblown as to how op it is, its quite situational already to just negate a crit

[dark pewter]

Exactly. If every enemy mage has Silvery Barbs, that's incredibly annoying for the heroes

[coarse ravine]

Silvery also just slows the game down to be real. But yeah I see your point

Im just salty from the feeblemind lol.

[burnt valley]

giving every enemy at-will silvery barbs is just wack cuz of one player using it

[severe rampart]

"When you take the Attack action on your turn and attack with a Light weapon, you can make one extra attack as a Bonus Action later on the same turn."

[coarse ravine]

Doesn't just negate a crit

[rough basalt]

My initial issues with SB came from a party all inning on it

[coarse ravine]

Rerolling saving throws is its main use

[burnt valley]

that'd be wasting the enemy's own slots lol when they could've been using Shield or Absorb Elements

[coarse ravine]

• giving adv

[rough basalt]

6 PCs, 3 full casters, all only using slots on Silvery barbs then 1 EK with MI for Silvery Barbs then using all slots on Barbs, then the other 2 martials got MI then Silvery barbs for an extra couple barbs

[severe rampart]

Well... that is a lot of barbs

[rough basalt]

Also all of them took Lucky as well.
One caster was a Halfling Divination Wizard

[burnt valley]

They still have a chance to just succeed anyway, high CR enemies have really good saves for Con and mental stats

[coarse ravine]

Mhm. 6 reactions of silvery barbs.... you prolly failing saving throw lol

[robust fable]

Silvery Barbs is a good spell, but people overrate it a lot

[coarse ravine]

Makes every spell pretty much a fail.

[rough basalt]

They never used saving throws

They only used firebolt, ray of frost, and melee attacks

[coarse ravine]

If you rerolled 6 times of course

[rough basalt]

Cause why use slots on spells when you can Silvery barbs instead

[burnt valley]

All on ONE person? The lvl 1 slots would be drained quite quickly (which the DM would want you to do)

[coarse ravine]

Just imagine

Bbeg 5 leg resistances

[rough basalt]

I saw it.
They used 6 barbs on a Zombie cause he kept rolling hits regardless

[coarse ravine]

Party of 6.

They takeout all 5 in round 1 because of silvery

[burnt valley]

no modifications to the statblock?

[robust fable]

Forcing saves is not a good strategy most of the time

[rough basalt]

Nope just hilariously good rolls

[severe rampart]

the party must've been losing their mind

[vital owl]

Hello there good people. 👋

[rough basalt]

I was losing my mind cause combats would take 2 sessions due to all the rerolling

[robust fable]

Single zombie (just the nornal 1/4 cr zombie) and they wasted 6 spell slots?

[coarse ravine]

Hm? Failed saves can be encounter enders

[still plover]

"Starting at 6th level, you can attack twice, instead of once, whenever you take the Attack action on your turn. Moreover, you can cast one of your cantrips in place of one of those attacks."

So you could make three melee attacks or two and a cantrip.

[rough basalt]

Yep

They were doing a no hit strat ig.

[robust fable]

Thats just the party being stupid

[rough basalt]

Well yeah they were stupid that's why they got tpkd

[still plover]

Asked and answered.

[coarse ravine]

2 level dip in fighter

For action surge

[robust fable]

How much time does it take for your party to resolve a round? On average

[coarse ravine]

You see what im saying

Silvery slows the game down also.

[rough basalt]

This was a long time ago, but generally a round would be 2 hours

Cause they'd only been playing dnd for over 10 years how could you expect them to know what their modifier is

[coarse ravine]

Why its banned i rest my case lol

[still plover]

Here it is again: #dnd-discussion message

[coarse ravine]

But as a wizard its amazing

You can attack the most times in dnd. But if youre not a fan of multiclassing its fine

[robust fable]

I think this is a case of severe skill issue

You should be able to resolve combats much quicker, Silvery Barb adds minimal time, spending 10 seconds on a reroll is more than needed

[still plover]

Told you the options.

[coarse ravine]

2 level dip in fighter

[still plover]

Is my answer not clear?

[rough basalt]

Nah spells pretty fine in non-outlier cases.
It's annoying, but my case was literally nearly 30 barbs, 18 lucky rerolls, Halfling Divination Wizard along with people who have been playing a long time but don't know the basic rules.

[graceful terrace]

no-ones on my thread yet

[coarse ravine]

Dmd for a order cleric that created a build around it

[graceful terrace]

damn it 😔

[still plover]

That's right!

[coarse ravine]

Silvery then give melee adv. So they can use their reaction to attack

It was very clever ill admit.

[still plover]

Oh no!

[coarse ravine]

2 level fighter dip

[dark pewter]

You simply cannot without multiclassing

[coarse ravine]

Thats how you do it.

[robust fable]

So i guessed right!

It was skill issue that slowed the game down!

38 rerolls would add less than 10 minutes

[coarse ravine]

Also dont underestimate what you get with the 2 level fighter dip. Blindsight for a wizard is good

When the dm drops that heavily obscured stuff on ya

[rough basalt]

Was also my first game as a dm with the group that got me into the hobby so I didn't have the power yet to unleash Forbidden DM Technique: Read Player, Read!

[still plover]

I'm gonna step away. You're bad for my blood pressure.

[severe rampart]

Power Word: Read

[rough basalt]

It's a powerful spell against most 5e players

[dark pewter]

You can get Eldritch Blast through a '14 feat (I think), but not the upgrades beyond level scaling

[coarse ravine]

You tried to help but some people want yes men

Its ok.....

[severe rampart]

My Curse of Strahd oneshot evolved into a full on campaign and now I think my work upsized by 2000%

[coarse ravine]

Told him many times 2 level fighter dip as well is how ya do it

[dark pewter]

Actually you may not be able to get EB on a wizard at all, I can't find the feat

[coarse ravine]

Magic initiative right?

Cant remember.

[dark pewter]

Was there a MI feat for Warlock spells?

[rough basalt]

Ye for '24 they restricted it to Druid, Cleric, and Wizard to prevent easy access to cantrips that can be broken on other classes

[coarse ravine]

Yeah + eb is iconic for warlocks

[rough basalt]

Like EB, and the new Sorcerous Burst for Sorcerer

[dark pewter]

Ah, I see, yeah

[coarse ravine]

You aren't taking no for a answer when they have explained themselves

[dark pewter]

So yeah, if you dedicated two feats, you could get EB and one invocation

But only if your table allows '14 feats

No, 2014, like the ruleset

[coarse ravine]

2014

[dapper raptor]

Anyone have tips for playing as the following:

• Rogue (Arcane Trickster)
• Paladin (Oath of the Ancients)
• Druid (Circle of the Stars)
  For context, I mean in general or something along those lines. I'm using the 2024 Rulebooks.

[coarse ravine]

Yes

Oath of ancients is my favorite paladin. Star druid is one of the best spellcasters in the game

[knotty pasture]

Stars Druid is more position based than ever cuz you aren't any more tanky while in Starry Form

[dark pewter]

For Stars Druid, Guiding Bolt + Starry Archer is a fun early combo

[knotty pasture]

On the bright side, rain down bombardments on the enemy with your BA ranged attack

[umbral girder]

Notably 2014 Magic Initiate uses your charisma modifier still and you cannot use spell slots on it too

[coarse ravine]

Level 14 capstone begs to differ bud

[knotty pasture]

Yeah that's level 14

[dapper raptor]

Do you think an Oath of the Ancients Paladin is like a mini Druid?

[knotty pasture]

If you survived all the way till level 14 you probably wouldn't ask here at all

[dark pewter]

There's been an updated ruleset, but it's backwards compatible, so you still could if your DM allows legacy resources

[coarse ravine]

The entire party will love you once you get to level 7.

[vale kettle]

If you fail to survive as a DRUID you are doing something wrong

immortal ahh class

[coarse ravine]

Oath of ancients is a amazing for the party build

[knotty pasture]

Stars Druid is probably the furthest away from immortality lol no shame in not surviving earlier

[coarse ravine]

Horrible channel divinity oath of aincients is all about level 7

[serene jolt]

You mean '14 Moon Druid. Specifically. XD

[dark pewter]

A lot more than is easy to explain in a Discord chat. The Wizards of the Coast YouTube has a series of videos breaking down the class changes, iirc

[vale kettle]

Druid in general is very tanky

[coarse ravine]

Star druid allows you to not have to worry about resilient in con at level 4.

[dapper raptor]

Anyone have tips for an Arcane Trickster Rogue as well? Note: For my Rogue, Paladin, and Druid, I'm using the 2024 Rulebooks.

[coarse ravine]

Star druid also gets up to 6 free guiding bolts.

[serene jolt]

Ehhh? Depends on the level of the Druid. 2014 druid just has the almost infinite HP thing.

[coarse ravine]

Also never failing concentration saving throws.

[robust fable]

It used to be bard/cleric/druid/sorcerer/warlock

So with the change to it in 24, the spells you can't get from it are:

Eldritch Blast (only good if you have invocations)

Sorcerous Burst (bad)

Vicious Mockery (bad)

Armor of Agathys (decentish)

Arms of Hadar (bad)

Chaos Bolt (bad)

Dissonant Whispers (really the only good spell among these but Command and Suggestion do similiar things)

Hellish Rebuke (bad)

Heroism (okayish)

Hex (bad)

[coarse ravine]

Star druid 2 level dip is one of the most powerful 2 level dips you can take

Along with fighter of course.

[serene jolt]

I'm gonna be trying the (2024) Star Druid for the first time soonish.

[robust fable]

So basicly nothing with value was lost

[serene jolt]

They're only a level 1 druid right now.

[rough basalt]

EB even without invocations is often the best cantrip

Warlocks mainly need the invocation since it's their main source of damage.

[coarse ravine]

Never rolling under a 10 on wisdom, intelligence checks and concentration saving throws is incredibly powerful

Low levels to high levels.

[rough basalt]

Especially on new Sorc

With the super saiyan mode for advantage on all attack rolls.

[dapper raptor]

I was about to ask how a Stars Druid can learn Guiding Bolt as it's a Cleric spell, but then I found the 2024 Rulebook says that I always have it prepared when holding my Star Map! 😅

[rough basalt]

In a pinch, it'd be better than firebolt.

[robust fable]

AB is good but Repelling Blast is the main reason why EB is good

[coarse ravine]

High levels when dm hits ya with that 84 fire damage and you reduce it to 42 with absorb elements amd lets say you did take resilient in con.
Your dc is 21 for concentration saving throws

Meaning.... the only way for you to possibly drop concentration saving throws is 44 damage

DC 22.

[serene jolt]

2024 Star Druid is better as a full druid right?

[coarse ravine]

20 con and +6 profficiency

[serene jolt]

I'm used to not going outside of the Moon Druid circle so I don't know much about other druids.

[coarse ravine]

100% the capstone is amazing at level 14 and level 6 is also amazing. The level 10 feature allows you to be versatile in your startup form

Level 20 you can walk around everywhere in starry form. Meaning never rolling under a 10 on intelligence and wisdom checks

[serene jolt]

Oh sick. That's awesome! I'll do that then.

[coarse ravine]

Level 6 you have a ability thats called weal and woe. So very useful every day. Level 10 just opens up all the possibilities of your starry form on each round. Level 14 resistance to nonmagical attacks. So you basically have stoneskin cast on you free

You become a hybrid barbarian for non magical attacks

Except you can also resist fire

[serene jolt]

👀 That's pretty sick. I didn't realize they're a half-tank at level 14.

[coarse ravine]

And necrotic etc with draconic spirit.

[dark pewter]

A lot more than is easy to explain in a Discord chat. The Wizards of the Coast YouTube has a series of videos breaking down the class changes, iirc

[robust fable]

General:

Invisible doesn't make you invisie

You only get subclasses at lvl 3

Everybody gets a free feat at lvl 1 but only from a limited list, many old feats now have a level preq

You get more things from youd background

Some statblocks and lore got changed in stupid ways

For martials:

Power attack is gone

You can pick up an old feat to double down on a fightning style

Casters:

Getting Shield/Absorb Elements is easier

Nystul is RAW

Suggestion is broken

Sleep is nerfed at low lvls, buffed from lvl 3+

These are the big ones i think

[coarse ravine]

Yeah big time! Star druid is underated

Who wants to cast shapechange to instantly get kicked out of it

[serene jolt]

Any tips for building a Starry Druid? Feats and such? I usually grab Warcaster but it feels almost redundant with this one.

[coarse ravine]

Cause they couldn't pass that dc 20 on a bad roll.....

Max out con get profficiency with it you keep allll your spells.

[severe rampart]

wait what? Invisibility doesn't make you invisible?

[coarse ravine]

You can survive no resilient in con for first asi. But id eventually get it if ya want

[robust fable]

Read the old and new invisible conditions very carefully

[coarse ravine]

I like to take fey touched for escapability purposes. Only way to teleport early level is freedom of waves for druid

So take fey touched amd get bless or something

[still plover]

More like Predator cloaking.

[severe rampart]

Oh my word, I gotta take invisibility out of my spell list

[rough basalt]

Halo active camo was always my imagination for how the invisibility spell works.

[coarse ravine]

Resilient in con is your best bet. Dont need adv on concentration with auto 10 rolls with dragon form

[serene jolt]

Okay so res con, try to max out con, and regular druid stuff (like good wisdom and all that).

Fey touch recommended.

Gotcha, thank you!

[coarse ravine]

Yezir dont sleep on Observant

[dark pewter]

It's a spell. Nystul's Magic Aura.

[robust fable]

Try to get the Shield spell (feat or multiclassing)

Wear armor and use a shield

Stay as far as danger as possible

Use good spells such as Guidance, Entangle, Goodberry, Fog Cloud, Spike Growth, Plant Growth, Sleet Storm

[coarse ravine]

Just for flavor tho

[coarse ravine]

Wouldn't multiclass star druid

Unless your multiclassing into star druid

[torpid hound]

Why did the Goblin cross the road?

[coarse ravine]

For 2 level dip.

[dark pewter]

It can change how things appear and interact with magic

[serene jolt]

2024 observant isn't nearly as good, sadly.

[torpid hound]

To get to the 3 Charisma adventurer's house

I've got another joke for you
Knock knock

Charisma score of 3

[serene jolt]

Already on it with Shield though, I grabbed Sage as my background to snatch up a couple wizard cantrips but most importantly, shield.

[torpid hound]

Goblin walks in

[coarse ravine]

Whats it do? I like figuring out ways to get comprehend languages. Like the helm or somethin. The find a way to get adv on perception from Sentinel shield or somethin.

Lots of flavor when you can read lips from forever away

[robust fable]

14:

Invisible
An invisible creature is impossible to see without the aid of magic or a special sense. For the purpose of hiding, the creature is heavily obscured. The creature’s location can be detected by any noise it makes or any tracks it leaves.
Attack rolls against the creature have disadvantage, and the creature’s attack rolls have advantage.

24:

While you have the Invisible condition, you experience the following effects.

Surprise. If you're Invisible when you roll Initiative, you have Advantage on the roll.

Concealed. You aren't affected by any effect that requires its target to be seen unless the effect's creator can somehow see you. Any equipment you are wearing or carrying is also concealed.

Attacks Affected. Attack rolls against you have Disadvantage, and your attack rolls have Advantage. If a creature can somehow see you, you don't gain this benefit against that creature.

[vital owl]

But that doesn't stop me from Axing them a question 😁

[torpid hound]

Yes, you're the 3 Charisma adventurer

[vital owl]

We have a Goblin.

[coarse ravine]

Yeah 2024 observant is wack lol

I wanta know what yall whispering about lol

[serene jolt]

2024 got rid of reading lips and the passive perception bonus. They added 'can take the search action as a bonus action' and expertise in either perception, investigation, or insight

[coarse ravine]

Sooo wack ruined the flavor of that feat.

[severe rampart]

Might want to send that over to #find-a-game , that or #looking-for-community

[serene jolt]

They got rid of the fun flavor of the feat, yeah. And the insane PP

[coarse ravine]

I used that feat with eyes of the eagle to spy on the bbeg minions throughout my in person campaign

[amber sentinel]

Yeah but there isn’t many dnd players around here

[serene jolt]

I used it on my rogue. I loved that feat. And with high enough wisdom, literally nothing can hide from you 🤣

[severe rampart]

go to the #find-a-game channels, it should help you

[rough basalt]

Two different games

[amber sentinel]

Thanks

[serene jolt]

"What's your Passive Perception?"
"30."

"... Whaaat??"

[rough basalt]

But the absolute max in dnd sort of beats out the absolute max in pf2e mainly in consistency.

[severe rampart]

How is that possible

[coarse ravine]

Yeah along with adv and if you go crazy with it expertise. Gets into the 30s for passive

[jolly agate]

lizard wizard

[coarse ravine]

You just look around and its like alright... I can see everything

[severe rampart]

I remember when I played a Skeleton Artificer, was the weirdest combination I've tried

[coarse ravine]

Observant, adv like Sentinel shield 20 in wisdom

• expertise if ya wanta go crazy

[severe rampart]

The DM either loves that or hates that, that means no dice rolling needed to find a lot of things

[limber trail]

+12 from expertise, +5 from wisdom, +5 from advantage already gets you there

[coarse ravine]

We would soar in the sky's with our mounts

[jolly agate]

Im playing Warlock cow rn, This is probably the funniest and weirdest combination I've ever tried

[coarse ravine]

1000s and 1000s of feat up. Id just read abunch of conversations on the ground

[severe rampart]

Yes, I remember helping you with that

[torpid hound]

How the heck are you a cow

[limber trail]

I will add, passive perception isn't a replacement for active perception checks. (Same with passive insight and passive investigation).

[severe rampart]

Horse headed minotaur + horse half of a centaur

I mean, Cow, sorry, I forget my animals

[torpid hound]

That's a horse

[severe rampart]

What horse. Polymorphs

[jolly agate]

And because of genetics, ending up with a whole cow was a possibility.

Cow gens bein strong

[torpid hound]

With my luck I would probably be a mermaid-minotaur hybrid with the human halves of each

[jolly agate]

Oh yeahhhh, tysm for dat. My DM ended up liking the idea and I've already had 3 sessions

[limber trail]

Passive Perception might be noticing movement, a perception check is needed to see what's moving, for example

[severe rampart]

?? that was like a week ago, how frequently do y'all play

[severe rampart]

Don't fret, you have a tail!

[jolly agate]

we don't eep

[coarse ravine]

I mainly used it for rp and spying with a highly perceptive character. However his dump stat was 8 intelligence and he was a Goliath. So dm would explain what im seeing. Then I would joke and act out the words very differently

Using metaphors and analogys that are nature based.

[severe rampart]

at the very least you can swat mosquitos away with it

[coarse ravine]

Using wisdom instead of what they are actually saying lmfao

To tell the party

[jolly agate]

The bad thing is that i can't use two handed. and i can't speek unless someone casts speek to animals
(The good thing is that I can carry a person, I can ram, and I have a high weight capacity.)

[woven flint]

You know, 8 int is just below average intelligence
(Commoners have 10)

[jolly agate]

plus i found a Magic saxophone on the last dungeon

[severe rampart]

"What do you think Latrell?" "... Mooo."

[coarse ravine]

Dm explains Bad army "guys we are gonna rest for another day or 2. Then we will make our way east to take over that monastery temple"

My character

"When the wolf howls at 2 moons. The sun shall then be the path"

Sun rises in the east but thats my wisdom druids way of explaining it lmfao

[woven flint]

That's pretty swag NG

[severe rampart]

The rest of the party doesn't know what he's talking about but just goes along with it because he's almost always right

[woven flint]

I'm going to be replacing one of my characters with an Air Genasi Artificer soon

His name is Gustav Volta 👀

[novel moat]

Hello, new GM here, Working on more an homebrew DND server.
That is bit more unique, where should I post it? Just making sure I am understand correctly things.
I decided to ask :p

[woven flint]

#looking-for-players
#find-a-game

[severe rampart]

Server? then probably #looking-for-community

[coarse ravine]

Campaign, m

[novel moat]

Thanks 👍

[austere mirage]

Ooo

[burnt valley]

Why did they change this 💀

[coarse ravine]

No true player development with a westmarch. Just power leveling

Lots im sure anyone good at keeping schedule?

[torpid hound]

The Cleric spell that stablizes 0 HP characters is called "Spare the Dying"
"I decide who lives and who dies"

[coarse ravine]

Those clerics are so bad

"Heal me"
Cleric sais "pay me 50 gold and I'll spare your life"

[severe rampart]

a cleric that doesn't heal really can bring the whole party down

[coarse ravine]

Yeah definitely problem player

They think their tryna be funny... but its like dude....

[torpid hound]

If I was a Cleric I'd stop healing anyone who was being a brickhead toward me

[coarse ravine]

You aint pushing out 50 dpr or controlling the entire battlefield like others. Some cleric spells can push out control and dpr yes

[severe rampart]

at most make them apologize before you heal them instead of just not healing them outright

[graceful terrace]

wait cleric can heal???

[fossil hollow]

always have been able to

[coarse ravine]

But... you are the best healers in the game. Not asking you to be nothing but a healer. But please when we ask heal

[severe rampart]

Someone use Power Word: Read

[graceful terrace]

never actually knew that

[coarse ravine]

This a troll right?

[graceful terrace]

no im actually serious

[severe rampart]

Unfortunately, with information that they said earlier, no, it is not

[torpid hound]

What did you think Clerics do? Kill everyone with a Mace?

[minor cargo]

To me it’s similar to not coordinating attacks. It’s supposed to be a team game. Working against your team should warrant a pause and resetting of expectations.

[fossil hollow]

DnD players cant read allegations are never going away

[graceful terrace]

use magic but i didnt know they could heal...

[severe rampart]

We are genuinely so cooked

[coarse ravine]

I mean this is your first day on the server inguess youre new to dnd

[severe rampart]

No, they've said they have played it before

[graceful terrace]

yeahhhhh

only once and i didnt even have the phb

[coarse ravine]

Clerics are the best healers in the whole game.. its kinda what they do

[graceful terrace]

i just made cardboard figures, got dice and played it

[severe rampart]

Luka, real quick, maybe go ahead and read the free rules in DnD beyond

[coarse ravine]

Amongst other things alot alot of other things

But still they are the best healers.

[graceful terrace]

dude i literally havent known clerics can heal, whats wrong with that?

[severe rampart]

Clerics along with Bards and Paladins

[coarse ravine]

Druids are the second best healers

[graceful terrace]

i cant just know what classes specialize in like a thanos snap

[severe rampart]

Nothing wrong with it, just a suggestion

[severe rampart]

I have not played a Druid before so I wouldn't know

Nor have I played with a druid

[coarse ravine]

Thanos snap would be disintegrate

[graceful terrace]

a metaphor btw

[torpid hound]

Watch a video about D&D classes

[fossil hollow]

-# thats actually a simile

[rough basalt]

The dnd players can't read is a joke rooted in reality.
That a lot of "DnD vets" don't know how to play dnd cause they can't read.
New players get a pass cause they're new but if it's 2 years in and you still don't know how to roll an attack (this happens) you're getting hit with the can't read mark.

[graceful terrace]

okay

[severe rampart]

Cleric, Druid, and Monk are the only classes in which I have either not played as or not played with

[coarse ravine]

Pretty much most of the healing spells besides power word heal, mass healing word, prayer of healing of course. Along with several subclasses that offer extra healing. Along with the +1s offer 1d4 extra healing on spells

[severe rampart]

yeah that's why I'm planning to play an Aasimar Cleric next campaign I join

[rough basalt]

And the community certainly helps the argument that they're illiterate

[coarse ravine]

Power word heal is the only way to get rid of the stunned condition. So only a bard with magical secrets or said cleric can do it

[rough basalt]

It's said that if you were to cast a spell that forces the average dnd player to read their own level 1 class feature they'd perish.

[coarse ravine]

Stun is prolly the worst condition besides death

[severe rampart]

The dreaded Power Word: Read

[fossil hollow]

Paralyze is worse

[coarse ravine]

You can get rid of paralyze

Lesser restoration second level spell.

[rough basalt]

In '24 you can get rid of stun now in the niche cases you might encounter it.

[fossil hollow]

still doesnt really make it any less deadly than Stun?

[rough basalt]

Just need a Paladin, or Mercy Monk.

[coarse ravine]

If stunned from something that ya cant get out of until unstunned. Only power word heal is gonna remove it.

[fossil hollow]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[coarse ravine]

Alot of lesser restoration laying around

[rough basalt]

Also they changed stun abilities like Mind Blast

[coarse ravine]

Whats 2024 cause idk

[rough basalt]

It's only for a round now instead of a minute.

[coarse ravine]

Ok what about psychic scream

[fossil hollow]

i dont think that got reprinted

[rough basalt]

That's an XGE spell, wasn't reprinted and not on any statblock.

[coarse ravine]

I mean neither is alot of things but dms will use it if they want if said monster has 9th level spells.

More of a situational thing

But yeah stun is nasty if ya canr get rid of it.

[rough basalt]

True, but I think running into Mind Flayers is probably more common than a DM remembering psychic scream exists and replacing the 9th level Cone of Cold on the Archmage with it.

[woeful zinc]

Since nick allows you to make an extra attack as a part of your action instead of your bonus action, could you theoretically, with the dual wielder feat, attack four times

Once with main weapon
Second time with nick weapon

Do it again with the feat

[rough basalt]

You can attack three times with it.
Four with extra attack.

[woeful zinc]

Wdym

[rough basalt]

Nick is once per round.

[woeful zinc]

Oh

[severe rampart]

My favorite past time to do in this server is to go to the art channel and just see so many talented artists' drawings, genuinely amazing to look at

[woeful zinc]

What if you dual wielded two weapons with nick since it’s not the same nick?

[rough basalt]

No for the dual wielder bonus attack you'd use the non-nick weapon you're duel wielding

[coarse ravine]

Whats nick?

[rough basalt]

Misread that, can't stack nick

[dark pewter]

Nick uses aren't dependent on the weapon, the Nick feature itself can only be triggered one a turn

[woeful zinc]

No my argument is that with two nick weapons, you could:

Attack once, nick with the secondary weapon

Dual wield attack with the secondary, nick with the primary weapon

[rough basalt]

2024 mastery that let's you do two attacks with dual wield as an action instead of as a BA for second attack

[severe rampart]

Masteries, personally I don't use it in my campaigns

[rough basalt]

It was one of the buffs dual wielding received to help it be on par with other martial options

While allowing classes that like having a BA open be able to duel wield well

Like Rogue, Ranger, ect.

[rough basalt]

No like Zeke and I said, you can't use nick multiple times a turn.

Some masteries you can, Nick isn't one of them.

[fossil hollow]

the property itself is once per turn

[rough basalt]

Like Topple and Push (iirc) can be used repeatedly.

High level Bow fighter and Warlock with RB blasting someone back 120ft while laughing evilly

[fossil hollow]

Shame you cant Slow someone to 0

[coarse ravine]

I mean you can

[rough basalt]

I don't think there's a bad mastery tbh.

[coarse ravine]

Restraining them

[dark pewter]

Slow doesn't restrain

[rough basalt]

Like cleave and graze are eh compared to others, but they're still free damage

[coarse ravine]

I meant like 0 speed. I didn't know slow was a fighting style. Slow is a great spell tho

[rough basalt]

Especially since you get masteries at level 1

[dark pewter]

Slow is a Mastery property that reduces the target's speed, but no more than 10 feet total by any number of Slows

[rough basalt]

Where that +3 damage on cleave will probably be enough to kill something else around you or on graze for someone you missed

Hell overall before you get extra attack, just having something that deals damage to another person in melee range or to someone you miss feels good

[woeful zinc]

Ok gotcha then my bad

[dark pewter]

Nick is probably the most utilized and most misunderstood Mastery property, if I had to guess. But asking how it works saves your DM/party the headache

[coarse ravine]

Assimar helps with that

[severe rampart]

Ever since I found out that Aasimar were not bird people I've been wanting to play one

[brittle beacon]

Cleave is my favorite mastery on stuff like fighter. Works so well with its other abilities

[coarse ravine]

Used to play fallen assimar wildfire druid.

[severe rampart]

I thought they looked like the Skeksis from The Dark Crystal

[rough basalt]

Next character I play I kinda wanna use a glaive

But I already decided on a Mauladin.

[severe rampart]

That is very interesting, as a Dexadin player

[jovial shadow]

You thought they were bird people? That's a first

[severe rampart]

yes, specifically Skeksis from the dark crystal

I don't mean the owl people (Aarockra)

[iron herald]

HmmmMMMMMmmmm....

[severe rampart]

YES, that one! that's the noise they made!

that's why I was so avoidant of Aasimars at first

I thought they were like the people that melted eyes in the Dark Crystal

[jovial shadow]

That's why it pays to read the description, rather than make an assumption on a picture

[severe rampart]

I actually thought I saw a picture of an Aasimar just like that, and I went "nope", but really all along they were angel people

Is there a species in DnD that have a long beak and dark feathers like a crow?

[formal seal]

Kenku.

[jovial shadow]

Not any core species

[severe rampart]

IT'S THEM! It's the dark crystal people!

[formal seal]

DARKMCRYSTAL MENTION???

[severe rampart]

Yeah I thought Aasimars looked like Skeksis

[lament loom]

Any tips for a first time dungeon master??

[severe rampart]

ever heard of the 5 room dungeon?

[lament loom]

Nope

[severe rampart]

try checking that out!

[jovial shadow]

Dark Crystal? Was that a movie from the 80's or 90's?

[formal seal]

Get a feel for what your players expect first

[severe rampart]

1982, then got a reboot

[lament loom]

I planned on beginning on a simple dungeon with a semiboss at the end that's not too strong, like Cthulhu or Tiamat

[lament loom]

I'm gonna do that right now

[jovial shadow]

Wow this the first time I have ever heard anoyene mention that movie ever.

[severe rampart]

the 5 room dungeon would definitely help then!, also Cthulu isn't weak

[formal seal]

Some players want something casual, some want Critical Role verbatim, some expect something more mechanical and combat-focused, and some are too introverted to engage with story—and try to watch a diverse array of D&D games on Youtube (professional and non-professional) to get a sense of how you want to conduct yourself.

[jovial shadow]

I can't even remember what it was about

[severe rampart]

It's a fairly good movie, yes