dnd-discussion

[prisma latch]

I mean, you're not an animal...

[feral fulcrum]

Wel, and the Nick Mastery.

[torpid hound]

So you're admitting that there's double standards for humans and animals

[prisma latch]

I mean, yes?

[hot marlin]

Three answers!
First, there is the classic option: That a lion is not an "independant moral agent". This ties to the "animal machine" theory you will find in Descartes' philosophy, which is still hugely influential in the way we deal with other species.
Second: It is unaligned to hunt down other animals, therefore there is no double standard, the question is when you hunt your own species.
Third: Role-based morality. The lion is allowed to hunt others, humans are not. Morality therefore is a set of rules, and the rules are different depending on your nature

[torpid hound]

I WAS JOKING FOR GOSH'S SAKE

[hot marlin]

Yes and I spent a non-negligeable part of my teenage years reading philosophy and I decided to make everyone else pay for it.

[fossil hollow]

lmao

[torpid hound]

Have you seen the Thomas the Tank Engine book where he wonders if he's the same after having all of his parts replaced?

[hot marlin]

Yes. It's a classic "ship of Theseus" question but with the added context of the problem of identity.

So, now let's apply the three answers to D&D and see how they hold up!

[torpid hound]

Slowly leaves

[hot marlin]

The first: The lion is unaligned no matter how much it kills because the lion is not an independant moral agent. I would say this doesn't work in D&D. D&D often presents the idea that fiends have "no choice" but to be evil. But if they have no choice, they are not independant moral agents, therefore should also be unaligned.

[torpid hound]

Fiends are naturally/inherently evil

Lions are just hunting for food

[hot marlin]

Yes. Since fiends are evil "inherently", they are not independant moral agents, yet they are evil. This disproves the moral agency theory.

[jovial shadow]

I am sure if you raised a kid devil, good. He could be a good fiend

[hot marlin]

So lions are not unaligned because they lack moral agency. If that were the case, fiends would also be unaligned.

[torpid hound]

Here's a riddle
You are forced to go into one of three doors. In the first door is a killer. In the second door are two VERY hungry lions. In the third door is a fire. Which door do you go into to survive?

[prisma latch]

Fiends have agency, they're just evil

[static slate]

The frouth one

[loud tendon]

the second. lions are likely dead

[hot marlin]

If they have no choice than to commit evil, they have no agency.

[hot marlin]

Dead creatures are not hungry.

[prisma latch]

Wait a day to answer, and then pick the fire. It'll be out by then

[hot marlin]

Dead creatures are dead.

[torpid hound]

You open the door and see one well fed lion

[loud tendon]

this riddle has been re-worded.. but the idea is the lions are dead.

[static slate]

Can you revive an undead?

[hot marlin]

BlastMaster said "two very hungry lions", they are therefore alive in this riddle.

[torpid hound]

IT WAS THE LIONS
ONE OF THE LIONS ATE THE OTHER

[static slate]

Just wait a week and they will be dead already

[torpid hound]

You'll be dead too

[static slate]

Not if you have food

[torpid hound]

You're trapped in a room

[lyric viper]

I mean very hungry lions are still gonna be weak from hunger

[static slate]

You probably would have brought food in with you in your satchel

[torpid hound]

By that logic the killer can die too

[lyric viper]

Open door 1 and 2

[torpid hound]

Can we stop arguing?
The answer was that lion 1 ate lion 2 and isn't hungry anymore

[uncut zenith]

Open all three doors and just accept your fate

[jovial shadow]

Lions don't have to be hungry to attack you

[torpid hound]

They don't have a motive to hunt you down

[lyric viper]

Nope, too late now, we're discussing lions.

[uncut zenith]

You’re the one who posed the question

[static slate]

If you just seem un threatening, they won’t attack you

[torpid hound]

And... ?

[static slate]

So just do animal handling

[lyric viper]

Also, not arguing so much as suggesting more and more absurd (but plausible?) suggestions

[hot marlin]

I'd take a strong human killer over two weakened lions any day

[lyric viper]

Is this door an approved fire door? How long till the fire breaks through?

I feel like it's my duty to evacuate the other doors.

[static slate]

Smart

[jovial shadow]

Did the riddle say it was a human killer?

[torpid hound]

Fun fact: A monk can have up to 20 AC

[static slate]

Wait, what stores do you have? Can you like do something to the lions to like stopped them temporarily

[torpid hound]

He's a human yes

[jovial shadow]

Fun fact it takes a long time for a monk to get 20 AC

[hot marlin]

The strongest human in the world is still weaker than a weak lion. Nevermind two weak lions.

[static slate]

If it’s a cleric, and they have a trans small, they can command the lions to back off

[torpid hound]

Only like two ASI's if you get lucky with the rolls

[lyric viper]

Neat, he can join the team to evacuate the last surviving lion and then find justice for the eaten one.

[jovial shadow]

Exactly. A hungry lion no matter how weak will rip off an Olympic bodybuilders head in 2 seconds

[uncut zenith]

Open door 1, back up a little, cast Fireball, then move on once the killer is dead

[static slate]

Smart

If you have the command spell, you can just make the lines back off or just leave

[lyric viper]

Ah I see the solution is make all doors have fire behind them.

How do we get out? >.>

[torpid hound]

Chat, there are two skeletons guarding two doors. One skeleton tells the truth and the other lies. One of the doors leads to instant death if you open and you can ask exactly one question to either skeleton. What do you do?

[uncut zenith]

Actually, now that I think of it, the riddle has nothing to do with getting out, just surviving.

So… don’t open any of the doors

[torpid hound]

Also you don't know which is which

[static slate]

I put a mark on one of the doors and I asked one of the skeletons if the mark on the door is the right one or something like that

[lyric viper]

The classic answer is Ask one what the other would say if aske 'Is this door safe to go through'

[torpid hound]

That's correct

[jovial shadow]

So clearly Elgate is on to your riddles, let's move on

[torpid hound]

But I'd just roll for Charisma to make one of them open its door

[lyric viper]

You've pointed at door X.
If you ask the liar what the honest one would say, the liar will say Y.
If you ask the honest one what the liar would say, the honest one will say Y.
So you know it's gotta be X.

[static slate]

Oh yeah, you can just ask one of them to go through the door

[past blaze]

Nah just ask them "Are you two friends?"

[torpid hound]

Granted, you run out of questions

[static slate]

But then they beat each other to death

[jovial shadow]

what kind of Charisma roll are you going to use against an undead?

[uncut zenith]

I suddenly feel like rewatching Labyrinth

[lyric viper]

They both confusingly answer 'No'

[static slate]

I have a question can you revive an undead creature?

[past blaze]

One of them looks at the other with despair

[uncut zenith]

Depends on the undead creature you’re trying to roll against

[jovial shadow]

Well we are talking about skeletons

[torpid hound]

Actually more like
Player: "Are you two friends?"
Skeleton 1: "No 🙄 "
Skeleton 2: Yes 😃 "

[uncut zenith]

Skeletons are generally unintelligent, so there’s not much talking you can do

[slim mantle]

Hello everyone

[uncut zenith]

Also, the CHA skill you might want to roll depends on how your character might want to approach that interaction.

[lyric viper]

Rule wise, if slain, some undead creatures can be brought back as their original living existence (an zombie as a human). Some undead say they cannot be, even if slain.

Lore wise, most don't have souls. Without a soul, they cannot be raised, even if the rules don't expressly rule it out. But then... the original being might have a soul.

So, depends on the undead.

[static slate]

Thx

So we randomly attacked her grandma in my Dnd session and apparently she has a flight distance of 80 feet pulse breath, claws and tail. Anyone have an idea of a creature that can look human but be like this.

[uncut zenith]

Nope. Gonna have to try and figure it out in your game

Could be a homebrew creature. We wouldn’t know

[static slate]

Oh no, it’s a new GM so it’s definitely not home bro he used a preset

[uncut zenith]

If you don’t mind me asking, why do you want to know what this creature is?

[jovial shadow]

Most likely so they can defend against it

[static slate]

I want to know because I’m interested and also I wanna know if they’re dragons so I have so if I have a vantage on rizzing them up

I already tried. I rolled a 17 but it didn’t work somehow.

[uncut zenith]

That’s what I’m assuming, but I just wanna make sure cuz I’m not gonna be the one to help them metagame

[static slate]

I only care about being funny and chaos in Dnd

Does anybody have an idea of what it could be? I really wanna know if I have an advantage on charismaing the grandma

[uncut zenith]

I recommend just playing your campaign and not asking random strangers online for help on how to get a leg up

[static slate]

I want a rizz up the grandma because it’s funny

[uncut zenith]

Then try it in your game

We don’t know what you’re up against, or what parameters your DM may or may not be setting for you

[static slate]

It isn’t an enemy we just randomly attacked it for some reason it wasn’t my original idea

It kind of slaughtered everyone

[uncut zenith]

Then you may have to deal with the consequences of the party’s actions I guess

[static slate]

Yeah, we had to restart from before we attacked the grandma

[uncut zenith]

Either way, nothing we can really do to help with what’s happening at your table

[static slate]

I’m just trying to figure out what race the grandma is

[uncut zenith]

You and your party are just gonna have to figure it out on your own. We’re not playing in your campaign

[daring pecan]

yall ever just make characters for fun?

[tropic badger]

I'm not sure if it's okay to ask/if this is the right channel but is anyone running a game tonight over VC I can listen in on? I'm very very new to dnd and just want to get the gist of how turns are structured especially for combat.

[static slate]

YES

[daring pecan]

I literally just open roll 20 and see what fun combos i can make

[uncut zenith]

I’d recommend checking out the #looking-for-players channel. This server isn’t designed to look for last-minute campaigns to join or listen into.

[static slate]

Yo, can I run an idea I made by you?

[daring pecan]

yeah whats up?

[static slate]

Yo, so interesting idea range artificer with a metal bat and they use like steel balls that they shoot but instead of leveling up normally the bat is sentient and takes half of their XP and the bat changes and become stronger every level up they get

[tropic badger]

oh I was thinking of just listening in rather than playing? So even if a game is at max players I'd just be lurking 😅

[daring pecan]

thats actually insane 😂

[static slate]

I know right you’d have to work with a DM a lot to make it happen but it’s a cool idea right I think like a half orc so they have more like strength

[uncut zenith]

Either way, this is a server with like… 61k+ people in it. And in my experience, not a lot of people want a stranger just listening into their campaign at the last minute. That being said, there are plenty of actual plays online that you might wanna check out if you just want to get an idea of the flow of the game!

[tropic badger]

Oh, I suppose I didn't think of it like that

[prisma latch]

Random question, I made a fun custom character sheet, which channel would I post it in?

[lavish flame]

#dnd-arts-and-crafts I would think

[static slate]

I have a question why is there multiple discussion channels the character channel?

[static slate]

There’s a character channel

#character-discussion

[lavish flame]

why is there multiple discussion channels the character channel?

[prisma latch]

okay thanks!
edit: nvm no attachments there

[static slate]

I was talking to someone, but I forgot to like separate it

[lavish flame]

there's multiple discussion channels because this server has almost 300,000 members so discussion needs to get broken into groups

[static slate]

Huh what are the channels are pretty active that was surprising me to be honest

[lavish flame]

To be honest, I have no idea. I basically only check this channel. Every time I've used another channel, I was joining into an ongoing conversation tho

[tough torrent]

I had a player who had to miss a session bc she was sick, but I'm trying to brainstorm some one-session single-player mission for her to explain what her character is up to that would separate her from the party until our next full session. She's playing a Wizard/Warlock and will be going for a Bladesinger build, and the setting is the Ravaged Beach in Baldur's Gate 3 (it's a BG3 campaign with my own tweaks) with the goal of getting her to sneak past the bandits at the Overgrown Ruins and sneak into the crypt to meet the party next session when they break into the crypt with the bandits she will be sneaking past (they're friends now :DD)
Does anyone have any advice to make such a one-player session interesting? I've thought about having some kind of backstory flashback that could tie into it, but I'm trying to figure out how I should configure this before I add the backstory stuff

[static slate]

To make it interesting yeah you definitely should add like a little bit of backstory or some interesting characters or events

[fast latch]

I only make characters when they have a purpose

[static slate]

Boo

[fast latch]

Fair

[static slate]

Like three seconds after you said it btw

[jovial shadow]

There is always the option of her letting another player play her character, if she trusts them I guess. Another method is holding the player in your "pocket", which means they can be filled in what has been going on and where everyone is, but likely not get any XP or anything.

[static slate]

Hey, what’s the channel for trying to find a Dnd?

[fast latch]

As a Player or DM?

[static slate]

Player

[lavish flame]

I'd make this solo adventure involve an NPC, preferably one that will return in the future.

[lavish flame]

#find-a-game but if you're super new, I'd hit up #learn-to-play first and then #dnd-newcomers for questions about how to play

[static slate]

I’m a bit experienced

[tough torrent]

It's only gonna be for one session, it's gonna be more like a mission than an adventure

[lavish flame]

Thats the same thing. Adventures are just a series of encounters. A mission would also just be a series of encounters. Regardless, I'd make it involve some NPC that can be called upon in the future for help, answers, or loot.

[tough torrent]

Valid

[rough basalt]

Gotta run a one shot tonight

[worldly flare]

Nice

[rough basalt]

Getting those pre-session "I don't wanna run" feelings like usual.

[sly crest]

turns out it's 2 more weeks, not 1, until I get to try D&D for the first time :<

[tough torrent]

Damn

[worldly flare]

Sad

[sly crest]

wait, we're allowed to curse here?

[knotty vine]

kinda

[sly crest]

I mean, obviously not the F word

[hot marlin]

Well I've cast many curses while playing D&D.

[sly crest]

Upon rolling a natural 1, I assume?

[hot marlin]

No, with spells.

[rough basalt]

Not really, but occasional light cursing isn't really condemned I don't believe.

[sly crest]

you're no fun ;P

[tribal ember]

guys i have dnd later tonight and im the healer and we are fighting a boss we are out of potions and im running low on spell slots

are we cooked

[rough basalt]

Might be.

[naive cedar]

Probably

[sly crest]

wtf is that avatar lol

[rough basalt]

The best part about dnd is that when you think you're screwed, something miraculous can happen.

[barren panther]

I'm gonna guess a slothweasel

[rough basalt]

Like the boss constantly rolling too low to hit.

[tribal ember]

my friend made it for me in photoshop and tried to make it intentionally bad

[hot marlin]

A slothweasel. Obviously.

[naive cedar]

I think it’s a weasel eith a sloth head photoshopped

[tribal ember]

yes

[naive cedar]

I’m a tressym so I can’t judge lol

[sly crest]

I noticed, and I think that makes it funnier

[barren panther]

infinitely better than AI slop

[tribal ember]

i agree

[knotty meteor]

PREACH!!!!!

[naive cedar]

The slothweasel has creative integrity

[tribal ember]

thank you fellow cleric

[woven flint]

Hello, friends

In a game fighting two aspects of a Deity and we're kicking their asses

[naive cedar]

Yes! A fellow cleric appreciator!

[tribal ember]

i wish thats what was happening in my campaign

[rough basalt]

I don't wanna run my one shot tonight

[barren panther]

so many people seem like they have time to chat while they're playing, I think I'm usualy too locked in to do that

[rough basalt]

One shots and me have a bad history.

[barren panther]

I'm running session zero of Dragon Heist tonight, looking forward to it

[woven flint]

We're fight a Lich, a Dracolich, a Scale lord and an Adult White Dragon

[barren panther]

at the same time? RIP

[trail bone]

at once?

[woven flint]

Yup, we're destroying them lol

[rough basalt]

Last one shot I ran had a tpk on the first encounter

[barren panther]

they must be nerfed as hell

[trail bone]

Ahh is Tiamat your party leadeR?

[woven flint]

Nope, our party is absolutely cracked

We have Three artifacts

[rough basalt]

Cause two of the PCs were useless

[barren panther]

I almost TPKd my party with that Uni the Unicorn one shot haha

[trail bone]

I almost accidentally TPK my party due to a fire snake

[rough basalt]

Mine was with Bandits

[woven flint]

Surprisingly, no, we're just built different

[barren panther]

hmmm sure

I believe you

[rough basalt]

They had a Strength Rogue with no finesse weapon on.
And a Cleric with 8 wisdom.

[trail bone]

its AoE fire damage when ur next to is not fun when u have a lvl 1 barbarian, rouge, and paladin all next to it

[fossil hollow]

they have several artifacts

[woven flint]

You have no reason not to lol

[rough basalt]

Come to think of it, I've never ran a one shot that didn't have at least one troll PC

[trail bone]

Also uhhhh, what's some good animals for wildshape?

[rough basalt]

Like I've had 2 tpks in one shots cause of troll pcs

[trail bone]

im runnin a druid, whats the 4 yall druids keep on standby?

[fossil hollow]

wall of force trapping the dracolich was a huge cut in dpr lmao

[rough basalt]

Depends on the druid but I like to have one main combat form, then rest be some kind of utility or stealth

[woven flint]

Yup!
We planned it a week before the fight since we knew what we were up against

[trail bone]

Rn I have Giant Wolf Spider, Wolf, Elk, and Crab

[rough basalt]

Like if I'm in an urban focused campaign, having a regular cat wildshape would be good for stealth cause whose gonna care about some stray cat enough to investigate it. They might wanna pet ya or shoo you off.

Gonna try and be a fun one shot tho

[trail bone]

Honestly havent used the Wolf yet, Wolf Spider and Elk are goated

[rough basalt]

It's mostly gonna be a combat gaunlet

[jolly agate]

Why would a god of blood want even more blood

[rough basalt]

Cause there's never enough

[woven flint]

More blood is always good

[jolly agate]

that's why i don't like Bhaal, all edgy and greedy af.

U Will never see ma boy Oghma wantin blood mate

[rough basalt]

Bhaal isn't just about blood.

It's about the beauty and art of a slaughter. The exquisite destruction of innocent life.
And a lot of blood accompanying it.

[pearl hedge]

blood for the blood god

[trail bone]

I wish dnd had more offical animal stats, have to find more homebrew ones

[jolly agate]

I don't get the other part, Why a throne of bones? How could a throne made of bones be comfortable?

[rough basalt]

Bhaals more about meaningful murder than just killing for the sake of killing.

Serial killer over mass murderer.

[pearl hedge]

i mean bhaal's a god right? he can do whatever he wants

[jolly agate]

Nuh uh, Ao could beat his arse if he gets too silly

[rough basalt]

FR God's have rules they have to abide by

It's why the Dead Three always have their cults doing stuff.
Cause they can't directly do the stuff they want.

[jolly agate]

Even if not Ao, if Bhaal kills a cool enough bard. he's cooked

[rough basalt]

The most infamous god who actually did what he wanted to do is in prison.

[jolly agate]

Bhaal is not a god god, maybe half god?. Like that one Lich queen from the Giths

[pearl hedge]

vlaakith?

[rough basalt]

Nah he's a deity

[jolly agate]

Demi-god?. Forgot the term

[rough basalt]

Vlaakith is a lich posing as a god moreso.

[jolly agate]

Ye but gifted power and shi

[jolly agate]

Ye

[rough basalt]

Gifted power or no, Bhaal is still a demigod rn

[trail bone]

Clearly the Archfey solo

[rough basalt]

Vlaakith is more "I wanna be a god and it's not like anybody can tell me I'm not so I'm gonna call myself one."

[jolly agate]

Honestly i only like Oghma and Gond

The only gods worth being devoted to

(and the coolest ones)

the rest are just meh

[rough basalt]

Selune and Eilistraee for me

[naive cedar]

Same

[barren panther]

Elistraee is cool as hell

[naive cedar]

Lathander and Helm are cool

[knotty vine]

Alley

[woven flint]

Bahamut is a chill guy
Kelemvor is Neat
The Doombringer fought aside my War Cleric (Reflavoured self-simulacrum by the dm so i'm a bit biased)

[torpid hound]

Draconic Resilience Dragonborn Sorcerer just makes sense

[knotty vine]

Fizban is really cool

[jolly agate]

Pretty solid ngl

[rough basalt]

They're both pretty genuine by FR god standards which is why I like them

[hot marlin]

Nobody and nothing is worth being devoted to. Devotion is the denial of the self, it is the worst possible crime and all who are devout should be fed to the abyss.

[woven flint]

Fizban and Bahamut are the same individual, of course he's cool

[hot marlin]

BTW, I'm not a fiend.

[rough basalt]

Selune wants you to choose your life so if you choose to not worship her anymore she's just like "Based."

Where as a lot of other "non-evil" FR gods would wanna smite you and might "nudge" one of their people to punish you

[jolly agate]

Yeah but if u go whit Oghma and u a cool guy he helps u and shi, Fortune favors the bard

😔🙏

That's why the bard never dies mate. Someone has to tell the story

[hot marlin]

Ah then you plan on getting his favours, milking him for all his worth, earn his trust and betray him? That is acceptable.

Faking devotion for the holy purpose of betrayal and killing is permissable.

[rough basalt]

And Eilistraee doesn't approve of inequality in her worshippers and actively tries to help former lolthites reconnect with themselves and learn to see each other as equals which is what she wants

A running theme being I like Gods that practice what they preach

[cursive ledge]

is this including the devotion to a significant other?

[hot marlin]

Every other is significant. They are all rivals that you must crush to survive.

[cursive ledge]

understood

[hot marlin]

And yes, you should see everything that exists as your equal. That way you will neither underestimate nor overestimate them and be ready to destroy them

[torpid hound]

"BTW, I'm not a fiend."
-Incubus

[jolly agate]

LMAO

[short reef]

im sorry im new to the server (not dnd) and am a little anxious about finding the right channels for stuff (theres so much) and when i do find the right channel, im unsure if it really is right even after reading the descriptions. where can i ask these kind of questions? ><

[naive cedar]

Sounds like something a fiend would say 🤔

[woven flint]

You can ask questions anywhere, there are specific channels for certain things, but if you're unsure you can just ask where to go in general

[naive cedar]

Tasha

[short reef]

where is the general? o.o

[woven flint]

This chat

[short reef]

oooh

[jolly agate]

I wonder if

Wizards are only as powerful as the length of their beards or smth

[cursive ledge]

hat and staff length is important as well

[jolly agate]

Elminster is THE Elminster and he has a cool wizard beard

[jolly agate]

Idk abt the hat

The staff is important, a real cool wizard aint usin a little wand

[cursive ledge]

in the sense that wizards don’t need hats, or that hats don’t need to be long?

[cursive ledge]

very true

[jolly agate]

That wizards don't need hats

[cursive ledge]

hmm, I agree, but I’d also say that IF they have a hat it must not be small

[jolly agate]

but if they do have them, they have to be long. Idk why. They just HAVE to be slightly pointed and long

u know ur stuff mate

[cursive ledge]

u as well

[lucid ember]

Is there supposed to be a recommended limit on how many spells you can use in a battle?

[cursive ledge]

isn’t that just spell slots?

[glad arch]

Probably best not to use all your spell slots on the first encounter of the day

[lucid ember]

Oh in my last campaign (which is one of my first ones) the spell slots were a bit inconsistent to what I have played

So perhaps it was the DM being nice to me

[glad arch]

Not a set recommendation though, some fights are harder and need more some are easier and use less

[glad arch]

Spell slots are pretty easy to keep track of consitently. Write down how many you have at your current level, mark them off as you use spells, refresh after long rest (warlocks not included)

[cursive ledge]

it can also depend on party comp, like if you got a fighter and barbarian drawing aggro and cleaning house, it’ll be easier to hold on to your slots until the best moments present themself

[valid geyser]

not really, but it mostly depends on how many fights you get between long rests

[jolly agate]

Dammit i miss having dnd sessions

[novel sage]

Quick question, what's the power level of each DnD level? Like how much damage does a PC output on average, and on high bursts? I'm running a homebrew campaign, so I'm not sure how much damage a PC and an enemy should output, and what is too weak/strong at their level.

[silk hare]

depends on class and how the people play (high vs low opt)

also often what makes a party/ certain classes "strong" is not necessarily dpr, but control of the battlefield

you can deal as much damage as you want if your enemey cannot move anymore and u just have to wait for them to die to AOE or if they just cant hit you, ever

also theres a bunch of rules stuff that e.g. lets u onehit whatever you want at lvl 1 with the right combination RAW

[novel sage]

i'm planning on having them start at level 5, but i'm not sure how much damage enemies should be able to deal in 1 round, without any cheese.

Like is an enemy dealing 2d10 dmg with a spammable attack (once per round) bad?

[barren panther]

This is always a kind of complicated question because it depends on a lot of things. A monster’s challenge rating is supposed to help you figure that out but it’s very finnicky

[remote wadi]

I mean, that isn't that bad

For level 5

[novel sage]

^ they're starting at level 5

[silk hare]

What kind of attack?

Spell/ forced ST? Martial attack?

[novel sage]

there are 4-5 PCs too, so I'm kinda in a dilemma

[torpid hound]

My friend's Paladin's way of healing is via Magic Initiate Healing Word
I can already imagine the chaos over the party members each begging the Paladin to use his one Cleric spell slot to heal them

[novel sage]

it's a martial attack, technically. It's a Glaive one of the mini-bosses uses.

[silk hare]

If its a boss just utilise lair actions

[remote wadi]

...Paladin has Lay on Hands

[torpid hound]

I know

That's one way to describe touch spells

[remote wadi]

Wait a minute, Magic Initiate also lets you learn Eldritch Blast?

[torpid hound]

That's the Warlock version

Oh wait you're talking about Paladin's non-spell ability, right?

[remote wadi]

That still is quite strong

Even without Invocations, that's very strong. Only really countered by a nova type of campaign

[silk hare]

2014 only iirc but yes

[limber trail]

Eldritch Blast isn't that good. It's definitely strong, but most of the value of it comes from the great support EIs give it. On it's own, it's good but not game breaking

[jolly agate]

Eldritch blast is goated wym

[humble cairn]

Whew, survived the fight against a lich and a dracolich.

[torpid hound]

I literally can't pick Eldritch Blast, only Cleric spells

[fossil hollow]

and then surviving against another fight with vampire dragon

[jolly agate]

Scary ngl

[fossil hollow]

Then you get to fight a dragon god

[humble cairn]

Vampire Dragon? The White dragon was a vampire?

[fossil hollow]

Nah, Malzeno is

[humble cairn]

Oh, we're still in the middle of that one.

[jolly agate]

I think the worst enemy my DM has ever made me fight is a red Pyrohydra with an Ogrillon warlord warlock mounted on it.

and his army and shi

[plain sparrow]

Does anyone know of any beginner oneshots?

[torpid hound]

Matt Colvile's Delian Tomb

[plain sparrow]

Ooo

Ty

[torpid hound]

Could a Dwarf Monk work?

[humble cairn]

All species work with all classes. So yes.

[smoky patio]

How do I find a server to play d&d

[fossil hollow]

#find-a-game

[cosmic roost]

Ready to play Dungeons & Dragons?

Visit #find-a-game for everything you need to start your search, including:

• Instructions for finding a game here on the server (including how to post in our #looking-for channels).
• Suggestions for finding a game outside of this server.
• Basic advice to help you in your hunt.

[jolly agate]

Ofc mate

Dwarf drunk monk

just peak

[torpid hound]

My idea was that he stopped enjoying alcohol and became a monk

[jolly agate]

A dwarf who doesn't enjoy alcohol?

[torpid hound]

He drank for 70 years

[crimson gulch]

Ahh epic session today at the shop, 7 pc deaths

[fossil hollow]

sorry how many?!

[humble cairn]

7 pc deaths, but ... not a tpk?

[fossil hollow]

Thats gotta be either a TPK or a double tap

[still plover]

Bravo, sir!

Remind them why they should fear the dice!

[torpid hound]

Vengeance Paladin is a Berserker Barbarian in a holy trench coat

[crimson gulch]

5 players, 7 deaths, not a tpk

[fossil hollow]

damn, two people got double tapped?

[crimson gulch]

No, one got tripled, but were splitting hairs at that point

They still won

[jolly crypt]

How do you guys feel about vulnerabilities/resistances as a system? I was thinking about giving the party an “Armorslayer Rondel” type dagger that allowed them to deal more damage to foes wearing armor.

[torpid hound]

Does it get a boost on rolls to hit?

[jolly crypt]

I’m trying to implement how it does more damage. I could give it extra dice, a bigger dice size, advantage, or treat targets as vulnerable. But overall I’m curious about your guys opinions

[jolly agate]

I like the system ngl

[worldly flare]

I find it weird how there are so few vulnerabilities

[iron herald]

I do prefer subtraction as the main form of damage reduction like in 3e, but its implementation there was confusing and a nuisance to manage. 5e's system is much less of a headache.

[tidal bough]

What if there was a resistance system that scaled with pb? Would that be better than just a flat 50%?

Like reduce (element) by 3xpb

[iron herald]

pb?

[stuck shuttle]

Proficiency Bonus

[scenic zinc]

Sounds like too much math for a hobby that is comprised of people that are bad at math

[jolly crypt]

Dice size reduction would be cool but grindy.

[frail burrow]

Hey peeps, new to D&D, not yet played

Looking to get wood elf themed dice

[lavish flame]

I figure if you want more ways to avoid and negate damage, you should just start applying Damage Threshhold to more than objects

Negligible damage goes away, so monsters would survive longer

[scenic zinc]

Or use an entirely different injury system like WoD 20th edition or daggerheart

[lavish flame]

That feels like far more trouble than is worth

[scenic zinc]

My main point is if you're going to start trying to emulate other systems, perhaps just use those other systems. 5e isn't the only system that exists.

[jolly agate]

Are u sure abt dat mate?

cuz that's not just a dice, u start whit one and end up whit 200 of different themes, colors and for different points in the session

😔🙏

[terse ledge]

had an idea for a house rule, wanting opinions on it

Leveled spells can be cast even when completely out of spell slots, but at risk of taking levels of exhaustion - casters have to make a Con save to avoid the exhaustion, with the DC starting at 14, and going up by one for each spell level above first

[frail burrow]

Funny because I just got my first dice set yesterday

I'm gonna get a treasure chest and fill it with dice

[fair summit]

I mean, casters are already pretty strong and balanced by limited resource of spell slots, what's the goal you're hoping to meet with this rule?
Also #homebrew is likely more appropriate place to ask

[sleek cloud]

i wouldnt, if i had that id just take resilience con asap and bam, easy con saves

or theres just starting in a class with con proficiency already and doing the rest in wizard

[terse ledge]

mayhaps have it so that the exhaustion incurred is equal to the spell level?

[sleek cloud]

i would be much more sever, i'd probably say casters could do it but they automatically incur a level of exhaustion equal to to the spell level, it should really reaaaaalllly be for emergencies only and sometimes that emergency is a shield spell or a misty step, and it limits them from using higher level spells to do so

[terse ledge]

so no roll, just exhaustion immediately

[sleek cloud]

yep. desperate measures.

[jolly agate]

Oh damn, no wonder why everyone hates Drows. they are freaky af

I had never stopped to read the lore of the Drow before

[scenic zinc]

Drow 'lore' is filled with propaganda

[sleek cloud]

id like to prop a ganda at minthara

thank you,thank you, i'll be here all week

[jolly agate]

Wym

[jolly agate]

Ba dum tss

[scenic zinc]

A lot of 'lore' is told from an in-universe perspective and isn't the 100% definitive truth about any given thing.

[humble cairn]

That'd be specifically Lolthite Drow usually from Menzoberranzen.

[jolly agate]

That damn name sounds so badass idk why, Menzoberranzen

[jolly agate]

Meh, i don't like any type of elves anyway

[scenic zinc]

I would never take any lore that's published as anything more than a story being told. It's possible it contains some truth, but it's unlikely entirely true.

[scenic zinc]

Every dnd species that aren't humans are just humans wearing elaborate costumes.

[jolly agate]

what abt kobolds or hog goblins?

[scenic zinc]

Seeing as the game is made by humans that only have the perspective of being humans and of human history to refer to.

[jolly agate]

Oh yeah most of the humanoid races are just cooler humans

like Dwarves and Orks

[scenic zinc]

I'm not talking about humanoids. I'm saying everything is just a human.

[jolly agate]

Coolest race in dnd?

[scenic zinc]

Because that's the only point of reference the designers actually have lol

[naive cedar]

Tieflings

[jolly agate]

Solid

[naive cedar]

And tressyms ofc

[jolly agate]

I like Ogrillions

[charred sage]

Anyone know where you can find the Legend of Drizzt Dark Elf Trilogy in paperback for cheap? I’d prefer used. My library only has 1 ebook copy available.

[lavish flame]

the Race of Eight Winds in Sharn is pretty cool 😛

My favorite species is Warforged due to their super cool Eberron writing.

[atomic kayak]

#mygargoyle

[narrow goblet]

hi

[jolly agate]

Pretty bloody solid

Good taste ngl. I didn't even know those races existed.

[mighty wharf]

I thought you meant warforged tasted good

Ah yes let me eat a construct

[severe rampart]

Changelings

[fossil hollow]

Gingerbread men are constructs, so

also Flesh golems.

[hushed mason]

I've seen a calzone statted out as a construct, too.

[lavish flame]

flesh golems are constructs so...

[severe rampart]

Ahh, Good Ol' Flesh Golems, love em

[stoic haven]

Do you know...The Muffin Man?

[knotty vine]

You don’t know me but I know you

[leaden notch]

Nice to meet you all. Long time player new DM.

[exotic sinew]

If you are a Tabaxi monk how do the cat claws still use your strength modifier??

[knotty vine]

Yes

[exotic sinew]

Alright 👍

[severe rampart]

Wolverine Claws

[exotic sinew]

Thanks for that

[knotty vine]

Most things that allow you to attack with apart of your body isn’t counted as an unarmed strike since it’s a “natural weapon”

[severe rampart]

Is there a frog species in DnD you can play as

[knotty vine]

The grung

[severe rampart]

Can you punch someone with your tongue hard enough they die

[exotic sinew]

I just didn’t know if it would technically be converted to a “monk weapon” as the first line states “you can use your claws and to make unarmed strikes” and unarmed strikes are literally the monk thing

[jolly agate]

My dm just told me that i can't be a warlock highland cow in the next session. I'm devastated

[severe rampart]

Thinking about that time we attacked a bush, then moved on, only to be ambushed by enemies from bushes (we punched the only bush that didn't have an enemy in it)

Those darn Treants and their shenanigans

[jolly agate]

😔🙏

[knotty vine]

I mean anybody can unarmed strike it’s just monks can use there dex and marital arts dice instead of flat strength

[jolly agate]

These people killing my creativity.

[severe rampart]

What is that

[jolly agate]

A cow?

like the strange cow in bg3, the one that talks and shi

[knotty vine]

How would you speak common

[exotic sinew]

Oh I know that but I was just curious on the the wording with the tabaxi claws thing that’s all. I am looking at joining a second table on the off weeks of my standard campaign so looking at characters to make and yea idk I am just flinging ideas in my head at the moment

[jolly agate]

Moooooo

[lavish flame]

Tabaxi cat claws are Unarmed Strikes so they would be affected by the Monk's Martial Arts feature

[jolly agate]

untill someone casts speek to animals

[exotic sinew]

Tasha said no

[knotty vine]

Yeah but then you’d be a “beast” and that’s a whole other can of worms

[severe rampart]

Also giving the DM a harder job to make a custom species for you to play as so close to the campaign

[jolly agate]

😔

[knotty vine]

I’m thinking of volo’s probably

[severe rampart]

You could play a Minotaur, that's sort of like a cow

[jolly agate]

I told him we could use the minotaur stats and shi, like. ye

[severe rampart]

...

I suppose you could somehow, be the child of a Cow Headed Minotaur and a Cow Legged Centaur and be a biological cow

[jolly agate]

YEAHHHH

[lavish flame]

people can say whatever

[jolly agate]

And have a sister that's just a regular human

[severe rampart]

I mean, if you use that argument, you might be able to convince him

[exotic sinew]

But Tasha is smart

[lavish flame]

smart people can say whatever as well

[exotic sinew]

Idk 🤷‍♂️ Tasha wrote a whole book

[knotty vine]

I still hate that dnd removed the term natural weapons

[serene jolt]

Why not a centaur? Run centaur stats, it absolutely can roll as a "cow".

[lavish flame]

Nah what Natural Weapons were an absolute headache to figure out

[knotty vine]

It’s any attack that uses the body for a monster

[jolly agate]

That was the idea

[knotty vine]

It was pretty simple

[serene jolt]

That sounds fine then.

[midnight marlin]

Hey all not sure what channel to ask in. What are people's thoughts on Blackrazor? Just received it but while im attuned i no longer heal from short or long rests

[jolly agate]

a warlock cow, how can that be any more peak?

[serene jolt]

I'd let someone roll a centaur as a sentient cow if they wanted to. But it'd be harder doing almost anything adventurey.

[midnight marlin]

Seems like its useless with the houserule

[knotty vine]

My only question is what is this cows patron

[serene jolt]

I feel like an Archfey would absolutely take in a sentient cow. That sounds like such a fey thing to do.

[severe rampart]

a fiend (Minotaur)

[knotty vine]

That’s extremely detrimental

[exotic sinew]

It’s fine I was just brainstorming anyway it’s not a big deal I was just curious if I went with tabaxi for a monk if it would work with the martial die and rather than using strength mod I could use Dex mod and that cause then I would have bludgeoning and slashing damage in just unarmed strikes.

But I cannot do that so it’s all Gucci

[severe rampart]

No wait, Archfey, Fiend, and something else are all fighting for this cow's patronage

[serene jolt]

🤣 Everyone wants a piece of this cow

[jolly agate]

Cerunnos would make sense

[knotty vine]

No you probably can

[severe rampart]

Yum

[knotty vine]

I’m so lazy some days

[jolly agate]

And the cow ends up with shared custody between patrons.

[midnight marlin]

Thats what I was thinking. Unfortunately just gonna go back to my +2 greataxe

[knotty vine]

But the black razor weapon is very powerful through

[lavish flame]

Wrapping ur mind around the fantasy of a Natural Weapon wasn't the hard part. It only makes sense that stuff like sharp teeth or claws or talons would give you a weapon. The confusing bit is... literally every other interaction with it. "Does it work with Divine Smite? Does it count as an Unarmed Strike?" were only answered in SAC. How the system interacted with Natural Weapons was always super questionable.

[knotty vine]

Yes it does work with divine smite since it’s well a wepaon

[lavish flame]

I think 5e is stronger for having gotten rid of Natural Weapons

[knotty vine]

Sage advice confirmed this in 2014

[lavish flame]

I feel like you missed the forest for the trees

[serene jolt]

Y'all I think my Westmarch staff are purposefully spiting me at this point.

I bought Exploring Eberron, I've expressed interest in using things in it and I wanted it approved. They said it shouldn't be too long.

It's been two weeks and they just announced a totally different book that no one was using or asking to use anything in it just got approved.

[knotty vine]

Also yes some natural weapons were unarmed strikes while others weren’t

[severe rampart]

Chat, I have a question, in Avernus all food created there is said to taste bad, but would it ring true if you cooked a Minotaur or Kobold to death there?

[knotty vine]

Yeah any and all food taste bad unless stated otherwise

[severe rampart]

Well any and all food that was created IN Avernus tastes bad

[jolly agate]

So
A cow that is the offspring of a cow-headed centaur and a minotaur. who is also a warlock, with shared custody between Patrons because What patron wouldn't want a cow as his warlock?.

[serene jolt]

I guess if someone tries to eat it, it'd just taste bad. Yeah. I don't think you can loophole it.

[knotty vine]

I’m assuming if you bring in food it also taste bad as well

[severe rampart]

But if they were born out of Avernus, would they still technically be "created" In Avernus

[serene jolt]

By cooking the food, you're "making" food.

[jolly agate]

I think I'm missing something

[knotty vine]

Create food and water is indeed a spell

[serene jolt]

When I'm cooking a steak over a fire. I'm making myself a steak.

[severe rampart]

So if you reheat a soup, are you making soup?

[severe rampart]

No, rations brought in from outside tastes the same iirc

[serene jolt]

We're talking about cooking something fresh (a minotaur for example). That's making food.

[severe rampart]

Alright then, what if you eat the Minotaur without cooking it

[knotty vine]

all food and drink typically becomes foul, tasting like ash or rot

Decent into avernus 5e

Through you can still eat it

[serene jolt]

If the wording itself says 'making food', then I'd say eating it raw wouldn't taste bad (if you originally like raw minotaur).

It depends entirely on the wording and dm interpretation

[knotty vine]

The food doesn’t lose its nutritional properties it only taste like ash now

[severe rampart]

Well, gotta cast Calm Emotions whenever I eat now

[knotty vine]

I think purify food and water would work better

[severe rampart]

We don't have a cleric

[knotty vine]

You went to hell without a cleric?

[jolly agate]

Cows can't eat meat right?

[severe rampart]

Ever seen a cow eat a snake?

[knotty vine]

I would say bless your soul but

[severe rampart]

We had two, both quit

One quit because of the language barrier, the other one thought we were gonna be playing evil characters and left

[jolly agate]

THEY DO THAT?

[woven flint]

Most herbivores do actually occasionally eat meat, believe it or not

[jolly agate]

I need to update my knowledge about cows

[woven flint]

Plants make up most of their diet, but it still happens

[severe rampart]

Animals aren't picky on food

[hushed mason]

Parrots are.

[woven flint]

Yup, I've seen a video of a deer eating a dead bird

[hushed mason]

Have you ever tried to get a budgie to eat pellets after they've been fed seeds all their life?

[jolly agate]

Koalas

[severe rampart]

They don't like their schedule being messed up

[severe rampart]

Respectfully don't, I hate Koalas with all of my life

[hushed mason]

Alpacas have lips that allow them to pick out the "nice hay" from the crappy hay.

[jolly agate]

They are kinda scary innit?. Those claws

The same goes for sloths.

[severe rampart]

They aren't scary, they're disgusting

[jolly agate]

Whyyyy

[knotty vine]

You’ll see

[jolly agate]

Explain

[severe rampart]

You need to update your animal knowledge, holy moly

[jolly agate]

ye kinda

[severe rampart]

Just look it up before we delve into more out of topic things

[umbral girder]

According to Challenge rating a dozen Shadows are considered a smaller threat compared to one Hippo.

[atomic kayak]

Not how CR works

[limber trail]

If you think Koalas are scary wait til you hear about Dropbears

[atomic kayak]

Its based on being a solo monster for one thing

[jolly agate]

My DM wanted to put the Sword Of Summoning Ducks in the loot pool of this run, if ma cow gets that it's gonna be peak
(Ye cows have no arms but the mouth can hold a sword right??)

[knotty vine]

This is why cr is stupid

[atomic kayak]

It does exactly what it says it does quite well

You just get a lot of situations like this where people want it to/think it does something different

[knotty vine]

A level party with no magic items should be able to take on said creature

[jolly agate]

Oh god...

[knotty vine]

With somewhat of a challenge

[atomic kayak]

A party of 4 taking on a single monster of a CR equivalent to their level should have an easy-medium (aka no risk of death) encounter

And CR does do that

[jolly agate]

I never thought about this, do ducks even exist in dnd?

[knotty vine]

No

[atomic kayak]

Just again ^

[knotty vine]

Actually kinda

[jolly agate]

FR????

[knotty vine]

There’s a duck with 3 heads stat block

[atomic kayak]

Expecting CR = level to be any sort of meaningful challenge is another common misconception

[atomic kayak]

They exist in many settings yes

They just don't have a specific statblock iirc

[knotty vine]

How are players supposed to take on cr 21-30

[atomic kayak]

Not sure what that has to do with the thing I said?

[jolly agate]

I need to check my bestiary ASAP.

[knotty vine]

The maximum player level is 20 correct

[atomic kayak]

And?

[jolly agate]

We have giant space hamsters, but no ducks?

[limber trail]

A party of 4 taking on a single monster of an equal CR will have a mathematically easy encounter which in practice generally means, an encounter that will be over in 20 seconds

[atomic kayak]

It doesnt make this any less true.

A monster of a CR over party level will be more difficult

[knotty vine]

So does that mean most if all further cr will be harder and it deadly

[limber trail]

Players at all levels can take on creatures of a slightly higher CR than their levels in single combat. The higher level they get, the further ahead in CR they can take on

I ran a game for some level 16s who took on a CR 23 and a CR 26 with significant difficulty, but ultimately won

[knotty vine]

What

[atomic kayak]

Anyway yea. CR does exactly what it says it does. People just want it to do something different

[marble lion]

I dont know what happened there but i was just gonna explain what elephant is saying

[limber trail]

Players can take on a higher CR than they have in levels.

CR is a guideline anyways, it provides a general estimation of difficulty but isn’t itself anything remotely resembling a rule

Or rather, if you use it as a strict rule you’re using it wrong

[atomic kayak]

Mhm. Its a guideline that does what it says.

[knotty vine]

I’m still wondering what dnd was smoking when they decided to make Szass a cr 30

[atomic kayak]

Well, thats AL so its not really an official thing

[knotty vine]

It was printed and made by wizards

[atomic kayak]

And yet

[limber trail]

The creators took a canonically strong character, and made a canonically strong stat block

He’s meant to be a challenge for level 20s

[knotty vine]

Yet vecna got shafted..

[atomic kayak]

AL stuff is designed for the extremely non standard (to the rules) style of play of AL

[limber trail]

Made by different people what can I say

[atomic kayak]

There's a reason a lot of RAW stuff is straight up changed in the AL ruleset

[limber trail]

AL is also a different offshoot of DnD too yeah

[atomic kayak]

(That being its not the official rules. It is its own thing)

[knotty vine]

They did give Tiamat a similar ability

[limber trail]

It’s not official published adventure material

[knotty vine]

Also the death of Szass gave us the Demi lich and death knights as well

[limber trail]

Death Knights and Demiliches are both printed in at the very least the 2014 monster manual

And I imagine they were around long before then

[knotty vine]

I meant a 5e conversation

[limber trail]

2014 is 5e

[knotty vine]

I know

[limber trail]

They existed in 5e prior to death of Szass Tam

[knotty vine]

I think I prefer the variants but those were introduce in TOA

[cursive ledge]

wait so is CR additive or multiplicative? like I could see a CR 3 monster being twice as tough as a CR 2 monster, but how’s that work for like CR 21?

[limber trail]

It’s closer to additive but it’s not quite either. It’s a vibe check, not a rule

[cursive ledge]

makes sense

so how many fairly optimized level 20 players would you reasonably expect to need against a CR 30 monster?

[knotty vine]

Lots and lots of magic items

[tepid fiber]

so im doing a DND campaign as we speak and my character has a special ability called "Schizophrenic Advice" where the DM rolls a number and if its above a 10 he gives me good advice and if its below a 10 he gives me bad advice but he dosent tell me what i rolled, This is because my character is basicly a nuts former mayor whos town was destroyed and the townspeople still talk to him in his ruined mind. Were on a pirate ship and the DM told me to "check the cannons" for treasure.

[limber trail]

Like four

[cursive ledge]

goddamn

[severe rampart]

That sounds fun

Like a fairly balanced "Divine Intervention"

[cursive ledge]

is that a testament to how broken lvl 20 characters are, how unbalanced CR 30 is, or how broken CR is as a whole?

[tepid fiber]

yeah but imagine its more akin to having spirits haunt you except these spirits are caused by your fractured mind

[severe rampart]

Holy crap... (I say as my party is planning to kill Bahamut, The Demon Lord)

[limber trail]

Mostly the third point but also yeah DnD is designed for roughly 3-5 players, so of course the hardest challenges in the game are gonna pretty well match the average number of max level players

[mighty wharf]

fairly optimized? Or unfairly optimized.

[severe rampart]

Well I mean, I guess I can see how we can kill Bahamut

[stoic haven]

Cr 100, just imagine it

[limber trail]

Let me be clear high CR creatures are incredibly achievable battles for high level players

[noble pine]

how long does a campaign actually need to start? my group has mostly finished their characters (4/6 finished) and my dm is gonna start working on the campaign after the characters are all done. pirate story if that matters

[cursive ledge]

like, strong without intentionally trying to break systems

[stoic haven]

the CR just kind of falls off tbh

[severe rampart]

-# I'm planning to turn into a Lich

[stoic haven]

A CR 3 creatures against level 1s is more dangerous than a CR 30 against level 20 characters imo

[limber trail]

Infinitely moreso

[cursive ledge]

so how many 0 prep time goblins would be a challenge for a first level party?

[stoic haven]

how hard of a challenge

[limber trail]

By the numbers its like 6-8. I’d shoot for more in the 4-6 range of things depending on players

[severe rampart]

Maybe like 12, Goblins have low bonuses on their "to hit"

Like, if you have a party of 3 paladins, and then two clerics as level 1s, then maybe more

[cursive ledge]

+4 isn’t that bad, right?

[limber trail]

+4 is bad

[severe rampart]

Whenever I DM I roll really bad.

[cursive ledge]

okay 3 paladins changes things

[mighty wharf]

Uh is this thing homebrew? It looks homebrew.

[stoic haven]

+4 is very bad

[severe rampart]

The 17 AC Paladin getting healed by their other Paladin friend and clerics

[cursive ledge]

the group I’m in did a 6v6 and no one even got downed so it felt rlly one-sided

[limber trail]

with cr 1/4 goblins? yeah that'll happen

[cursive ledge]

ig the goblins weren’t too lucky tbf

I thought they were cr 1/4

[stoic haven]

yea, we are saying for around 4 people

[cursive ledge]

dang

[severe rampart]

Three Paladins and 1 Cleric is still a tough party for goblins to even hit

[limber trail]

for 6 players I'd aim for 8-10 goblins but in actually I'd go for 4 goblins and a goblin warrior, or maybe a wolf of some kind

[cursive ledge]

so like, 2 goblins per person in a 6 person party that isn’t a rlly strong anti-goblin comp?

[severe rampart]

There's no "anti goblin comp" But, maybe

[cursive ledge]

I was mostly thinking of all high AC classes, but true

[limber trail]

it's not a maths equation where goblins = players x 2, it's just a rough estimation that you'll get better at

[severe rampart]

I'm just saying, if the party has two or three martials, with decent support, those goblins need help

[cursive ledge]

fair enough

[limber trail]

goblins will always suffer against high AC classes because that +4 is real bad

[tepid fiber]

guys im at 5 hitpoints what happens when i die

[severe rampart]

Roll Death Saving Throws

[cursive ledge]

how would you make goblins threatening without just putting a crap ton in a room?

[jolly agate]

well u die

[limber trail]

When you go to 0hp, you go unconscious and start rolling death saves on each of your turns. If you get three failed death saves, then you die

[cursive ledge]

do you just give em prep time and traps?

is that full cover lmao

[limber trail]

Some things:

• Run slightly higher CR goblins which are more of a threat
• Put traps in the way
• Goblins are ambushers - give them cover and high ground, make it a challenge to get to them
• Goblins aren't durable. Throw a durable enemy at the players as a tank

[limber trail]

Up to you but usually it's 3/4 cover

[cursive ledge]

sacred flame save me

[limber trail]

i mean yeah that's the idea

[cursive ledge]

lowkey you could make a sick fight with this

[severe rampart]

That changes things, what type of traps

[cursive ledge]

I don’t know what types of traps goblins are capable of

[limber trail]

Well yeah - most of the fun of a combat isn't the enemies - or rather, you need something more engaging than just enemies to run fun combat

(That's why I think if you as a DM wanna improve your combat, spend some time finding better battlemaps or making your own. That alone is a huge start)

[cursive ledge]

this makes me wanna make a campaign with dark souls 2 enemy design so bad now

if an aarakokra fell into a pit, how long would they fall before they realize they’re falling and stop their fall by flying?

yea true, I’ve dealt with unique enemy combos before, but it’s rare for me to go up against like, extremely intentionally designed combat areas

[oak grotto]

Aarakocra can fly at level 1.

[limber trail]

If they fell into their pit, it'd be because their speed is 0 - so they stop falling once their speed is no longer 0. (Conditions like grappled might be reducing that speed, so it would end once they're no longer grappled, for example). Generally, you fall about 400ft each round, so if you fell into a pit because you were knocked prone, you'd fall 400ft, and then on your turn be able to "stand up", ending the falling and resuming flying.

[mighty wharf]

My party is a monk, a paladin, a wizard (me), and a fighter. We are super tanky.

[cursive ledge]

wtf that’s so much more feet than I was thinking, I was moreso imagining the floor just going away, like the trapped floor in return of the Jedi, so they’re not prone, they just weren’t expecting the ground to go away

[mighty wharf]

I have 19AC and 39 hitpoints at level 5 as a wizard

[limber trail]

how have you got a 19ac?

[cursive ledge]

mage armor probably

[mighty wharf]

Nope

[oak grotto]

Which is kinda silly. Even an elderly aarakocra with low Dex would realistically be able to stop their falling with their wings.

[mighty wharf]

Just a lot of consistution, starting artificer for a shield, scale armor and taking warforged as a race.

[cursive ledge]

the thing I’m wondering is how far you’d have to fall before you realize you’re falling

[limber trail]

ah that'd do it

[cursive ledge]

with or without spikes?

[knotty vine]

I still think it’s crazy that pugilist can just choose to max out a damage of an attack instead of rolling

[mighty wharf]

That's before Shield the spell btw

[fossil hollow]

tempted to run a giant and dragon war campaign

[severe rampart]

All fun and games till your DM starts using saving throws

[knotty vine]

Free my homie he ain’t do nun the homie in question:

[limber trail]

Didn't you just start recruiting for like a sixth campaign

[mighty wharf]

Oh that's right I add my dex modifier to my AC

[fossil hollow]

shhhhh

[limber trail]

anyways hell yeah run war campaigns they're sick settings

my campaign I run is getting into a war plotline

[valid geyser]

i mean you can use replicate for common half plate

[mighty wharf]

We're playing in a feywilds campaign, there's a lot of wisdom saves for nasty conditions. I took the Lucky feat specifically for that: the 2014 one which is 3 rolls with advantage per long rest.

[mighty wharf]

My wisdom saving throw is +3, not very good...

[severe rampart]

... Touché

[knotty vine]

Your about to have lots of fun

[limber trail]

....Good luck with that

[mighty wharf]

I got charmed in the first encounter because I had no idea what the saving throw was for. 💀

[limber trail]

Hug the paladin once you hit level 6

[severe rampart]

Strength is always my dump stat

[knotty vine]

I mean the charmed conditions isn’t too strong

[limber trail]

charmed is fine unless it's a solo monster

[mighty wharf]

It's not thankfully. Neither is frightened to me. I can still do what I need to do.

[limber trail]

charming the fighter in a solo fight is rough but hey it happens

[cursive ledge]

yeah ig it wouldn’t be that far, but if you take the average human reaction time and put that against the 400 ft fallen in 6 seconds from DnD, a great trap would have you falling almost 20 feet before you notice it

[knotty vine]

It’s a mild announce until the enemy can start commanding you to do stuff

[limber trail]

those are different spells which are either weakish or much higher level

[mighty wharf]

I'm just as annoying for my DM. I basically paralyzed his Night Hag with Phantasmal Force.

[knotty vine]

No there’s a few fey that give you the charmed condo ruin along with being able to give you commands

[limber trail]

I'm not super familiar with fey, any in particular you're thinking of?

[knotty vine]

The charmed condition is just a primer to the main ability

[oak grotto]

How do you even paralyze someone with that spell?

[knotty vine]

I remember the Dryad has an ability like that

[mighty wharf]

I'm about to have max int and start building wis.

[valid geyser]

ive used it once to put a zombie beholder in a boiling closed cauldron. That worked but also the beholder was too stupid to make the check

[cursive ledge]

are you about to hit lvl 8?

[knotty vine]

A few hags but that’s a bit broad

[mighty wharf]

The DM is letting us take two levels for some reason. 🐟

[cursive ledge]

wait what

[mighty wharf]

So level 7.

[cursive ledge]

oh cool

[mighty wharf]

He's doing 2 instead of 1 levels

Which I'm just like "bro are you sure? that's REALLY generous."

[cursive ledge]

you’re going from level 7 to 9, or 6 to 8?

[mighty wharf]

5 to 7

[cursive ledge]

ohh, wait so you max out int next level

[mighty wharf]

Yes I'm at 19

[cursive ledge]

sick

[mighty wharf]

Max is 20 right?

[cursive ledge]

gonna take a feat or just asi?

[cursive ledge]

yea

[mighty wharf]

Uh idk I have to check my progression guide and see what it recommends

[limber trail]

yup

[cursive ledge]

which feats you got so far?

[limber trail]

You wanted to increase your wisdom right? What's that at? And also what's your con at?

[knotty vine]

There are a few things that allow you to get passed 20 but it’s only magic items and boons

[mighty wharf]

BOOBS

[knotty vine]

SHHH

[oblique quartz]

i sure do love my magic items and boobs. only thing keeping me going, some days

[mighty wharf]

My wisdom is at 10 but I have a saving throw of +3 somehow...

[limber trail]

That'd be proficiency in wisdom saves

[mighty wharf]

Yeah

Idk where it came from

[limber trail]

I would take a feat to increase your int - fey touched would be a good choice, I think war caster also increases your int by +1?

[knotty vine]

What class are you?

[limber trail]

that'd be from your class

[cursive ledge]

fey touched, shadow touched, war caster, telekinetic

you got options

[mighty wharf]

I think I'm taking warcaster or a subclass feat

[cursive ledge]

subclass feat?

[mighty wharf]

Yuh

Idk I'm noob

This is my first time playing 🐟

[limber trail]

not sure what subclass feats are but war caster is great

[fossil hollow]

you get subclass features automatically as part of your level progression

[mighty wharf]

Warcaster is good for the concentration BUT I don't get the benefits from not requiring somatic components because my DM doesn't really gaf about those rules

[fossil hollow]

war caster is for protecting concentration

[mighty wharf]

Yeeeee

[cursive ledge]

war caster is the safest option, but it might be better to increase wisdom from war caster instead of int

[knotty vine]

Don’t forget about the opportunity attack spells

[mighty wharf]

I'm totally forgetting about those when I play

Nothing will run from me because they will die if they get close

Or they will never get close at all.

[cursive ledge]

what class are you playing again?

[mighty wharf]

Subclass?

[cursive ledge]

no, class

[knotty vine]

Class

[mighty wharf]

Arti1/wiz4

[fossil hollow]

wizard

[knotty vine]

Ah

[mighty wharf]

The subclass kinda changes things

[cursive ledge]

ah dang, the touched feats are a bit worse when you’re playing the class that learns everything

[fossil hollow]

you mean multiclass?

[mighty wharf]

No.

[cursive ledge]

what even is your subclass

[mighty wharf]

Chronurgist.

[fossil hollow]

subclass refers to the specialization you get at a certain level. not your other class when you take more than one

[mighty wharf]

Ig thats a school not a subclass but

It do change things.

[fossil hollow]

for a wizard, their school is their subclass

[glass granite]

Assuming you mean Chronurgist, School is just the wizard name for subclass

[fossil hollow]

thats literally just the name for their subclasses.

[mighty wharf]

Oh

[glass granite]

Chronurgy is the school, chronurgist is the class

[cursive ledge]

yknow what, take telekinetic

[glass granite]

The somatic components thing is already quite irrelevant for wizards anyway. War caster is a great pick!

Telekinetic is also fun

Resilient Con is a lil boring but very effective for holding concentration and being better at con saves

[cursive ledge]

wizards have so much bs but they don’t use their bonus action a ton, so telekinetic is something you could absolutely try and abuse

[marble lion]

Dont abuse

[shell quarry]

it one-shot a clown using contagion holy shit

[knotty vine]

What warlock patron best represents voodoo

[limber trail]

I’m glad to see the stick figure is alive and kicking

[fossil hollow]

fiend, goo, and archfey imo

[fossil hollow]

i should use a cr 20 greaser

[limber trail]

the menaces are ready. Shake them to their core

I accept full responsibility for the pain that is to come

[fossil hollow]

turns out the fiend in the bag was a greaseer

[limber trail]

You could borrow the original concept and also let him cast chain lightning/lightning bolt/call lightning at will. You'd have greased lightning.

[fossil hollow]

i feel like if im using the greaser, it has to b flammable grease

[knotty vine]

I wanna be a vampire with a bat

Like a baseball bat

[fossil hollow]

"for his action, he will cast: Flammable Grease.

then as a bonus action, he will light a torch on fire.

[limber trail]

Genuinely the greaser having a multiattack that is effectively, the greaser casts grease and then firebolt would be very funny for a low CR enemy

[knotty vine]

Grease is a decently annoying spell

[limber trail]

play a dhampir, reflavour a club/greatataff/maybe even warhammer or maul

[knotty vine]

Yeah but I want the same weaknesses as a vampire through even through they just might be reduced to roll play trait ig. Avoiding sunlight

[limber trail]

ah yeah not a lot of ways to get those as a PC

talk to your DM i guess but no official content gives them iirc

[knotty vine]

I mean there is one thing but it’s very niche

[woven flint]

Also, it's just detrimental for your party as well

[fossil hollow]

-# ptsd to someone complaining about their homebrew vampire race

[knotty vine]

Aka being slain by a vampires bite attack

[limber trail]

That doesn't make you play a vampire. That means your corpse becomes a vampire enemy to the party

[knotty vine]

I don’t think vampire should be a race

[fossil hollow]

its not

[knotty vine]

It makes you a vampire spawn

[stoic haven]

its a lineage

[woven flint]

Vampires AREN'T a "race"

[stoic haven]

even that is Dhampir which is vampire esque

[woven flint]

Vampires are a type of undead that can be any species, as are most undead

[knotty vine]

Your not a “corpse” since you some your aliment changes as well

[limber trail]

Under the vampire's control, so you don't play as it

You lose control of the character, roll up a new character

[knotty vine]

Spell casting vampire spawn

[woven flint]

Vampires are still corpses
Undead have a lack of a Soul in D&D typically.
You may be living dead, but you aren't you anymore

[limber trail]

It doesn't keep the original traits - it just becomes a vampire spawn stat block

vampire spawn isn't a species, it's a stat block.

[knotty vine]

Player Characters as Vampires
[–]

The game statistics of a player character transformed into a vampire spawn and then a vampire don't change, except that the character's Strength, Dexterity, and Constitution scores become 18 if they aren't higher. In addition, the character gains the vampire's damage resistances, darkvision, traits, and actions. Attack and damage rolls for the vampire's attacks are based on Strength.

[fossil hollow]

oh, the optional dm facing thing in the 2014 mm

[limber trail]

That's an optional rule, doesn't even exist in the 2024 rules, and not every DM will use it.

[knotty vine]

Pretty sure there’s a vampire stat block with spells

[azure rampart]

So how do I say , hello? Ig

[limber trail]

there are - but again, stat block, not a player character sheet

[fossil hollow]

yeah, a cr 15 variant of the vampire

[knotty vine]

Granted only humanoids can become vampires via bite attack

Not sure if dnd beyond changed that

[fossil hollow]

why would ddb change it

its always been humanoids only

[umbral girder]

Strahd

[limber trail]

wotc didn't change it no

[knotty vine]

They’ve done a lot of questionable things in the new rules despite how decent they are

[limber trail]

I don't know of too many questionable changes in the new rules, compared to the wealth of imo pretty great changes

Not that there's no weird changes but most are pretty good across the board

[knotty vine]

Could a creature become a lich via true polymorph

[fossil hollow]

no

[limber trail]

Liches are too high of a CR to transform into

[knotty vine]

I mean the lichen lich

[umbral girder]

Well technically yes.

[fossil hollow]

cr 21-22. players only go to level 20

[knotty vine]

It’s only cr 18

[umbral girder]

They didn't ask if a player can. They asked if a creature can.

[fossil hollow]

dude, its a free server, we're not obligated to answer yer question

no need to be rude

[umbral girder]

Yeah thats a big yikes

[knotty vine]

I’m asking about the lichen lich

Is that a Vaild way of becoming a lich

[fossil hollow]

telling people to finish their convo later is not the best way to get your question answered

[umbral girder]

Lets just block and move on

[fossil hollow]

lichen lich is what? ravnica?

[knotty vine]

There’s also the Eldritch lich

[knotty vine]

Candle keep

[woven flint]

New type of Druid Lich

[umbral girder]

Forgotten Realms

[fossil hollow]

its not in the fr books, that much i know

[knotty vine]

Candle keep mysterious?

[umbral girder]

It shows up in Candle Keep

[wild harbor]

hey

[limber trail]

I don't see anything that says it's impossible

[knotty vine]

I was wondering if it’s possible to achieve lichdom via turning into that lich

[umbral girder]

We got spam, time for mods

[fossil hollow]

oh perfect, spam, the mods will love that

[hollow silo]

My man quit spamming

[woven flint]

I don't think anyone's gonna answer you with how you're acting lol

[limber trail]

I would suggest asking in #dm-discussion, or maybe #dnd-newcomers, rather than here

It just sounds like people don't have what you're looking for idk what to say

no need to be unpleasant about it

[knotty vine]

Then why do you have the jack of all trades all

[fossil hollow]

thats considered spam

[knotty vine]

Can someone ping a mod holy

[hollow silo]

If youre not getting a response, clearly no one has an answer

[fossil hollow]

thanks mods

[knotty vine]

He’s gone

[limber trail]

there goes that guy

[knotty vine]

Back to becoming a lich

[wild harbor]

Which class feels strongest after the 2024 update

[mighty wharf]

Wait how do I use sleet storm on a group of enemies if all of my party is martials and they are super angry badgers?

[fossil hollow]

monk

[knotty vine]

Wizard

[limber trail]

I've been really enjoying 2024 monk

[woven flint]

Monk absolutely slaughters in early game and keeps its momentum pretty well

[fossil hollow]

collaborate with the martials and try to get the enemies in a place where the martials can reach while not inside it

[woven flint]

Barbarian has always slaughtered early game and it's marginally better too

[knotty vine]

Barbarian…

[umbral girder]

Sorcerer probably

[limber trail]

incredibly mobility, damage is very competitive now, and loads of utility

[knotty vine]

Did zealot get nerfed or

[umbral girder]

Because now it has metamagic and a ton of spells at the same time

[woven flint]

I'm In a Waterdeep party with
A Rogue, Monk and Barbarian
The Sorcerer and I (The Cleric) are also pretty tough, but those three SLAP lol

[limber trail]

Zealot got altered. It's level 14 isn't quite as good but the class is still great

[wild harbor]

@fossil hollow @knotty vine @limber trail Do you think Monk is finally on par with fighters and rogues and which subclass would youall pick

[umbral girder]

And con save proficency as well.

[woven flint]

Yes and No

[fossil hollow]

monk is probably the best martial of 2024

[knotty vine]

Monk definitely out paces most other maritals

[mighty wharf]

Oh I could use creative placement couldn't I?

[umbral girder]

Yeah Monk still has the issue of their customization isn't great. But their class is much stronger and consistent now.

[knotty vine]

True

[woven flint]

Zealot Barbarians can't be revived for free anymore but have a pool of self-healing and their support abilities have more uses per long rest I believe

[limber trail]

Monk is for sure on par. Subclass is up to you with what you want. I've been enjoying kensei, I think it could use some tweaks to update it to 2024. Open hand is pretty nice, I recently played with a mercy monk that seemed to be a lot of fun too.

[umbral girder]

Monk builds aren't as wide and expansive as things like Rogue and Fighter.

[limber trail]

your monk subclass isn't all that definitive though

[knotty vine]

I mean there level 3 ability was a little class dependent so it makes sense

[umbral girder]

Like fighter and rogue have way more control now with cunning strikes and weapon masteries.

[fossil hollow]

as for subclass, im a sucker for astral self monk, redundant as it is. otherwise, im picking mercy

[knotty vine]

Aka they had to be level 5 to get any use out of it

[wild harbor]

Ohhh okay thats a big statement I did not expect Monk to climb that high honestly

[undone rain]

I like how theres so many holy or radiant subclasses lol

[limber trail]

I would've gone for astral self if not for the fact that it was redundant and I didn't have the right stat setup for it

[knotty vine]

It’s uh something alright

[fossil hollow]

people love putting the fear of the gods into their enemies

[umbral girder]

The players are meant to be heroes so makes sense.

[wild harbor]

Is it mostly because of the new focus mechanics and scaling or does it just feel smoother to play overall and which subclass do you think benefits the most from the 2024 update?

[woven flint]

My favorite subclasses are:
Mercy Monk
Bladesinger Wizard
War Cleric
Great Old One Warlock
Wildfire Druid
Thief Rogue
And
Berserker Barbarian :>

[knotty vine]

Definitely monk

[fossil hollow]

yes and yes

[knotty vine]

Monk had the biggest glow up of 2024

[limber trail]

Monk has a buttery smooth gameplay loop, tons of combat options, and it's way more powerful now that it has better damage

[knotty vine]

Especially considering it’s subclasses

[woven flint]

I had a Minotaur Berserker Barbarian once upon a time and he commonly smashed through solid stone walls if he thought they were in his way lol

[wild harbor]

oh aright well now I am curious what makes it definitely Monk for you Is it the mobility the damage scaling or just how smooth it feels now in 2024

[undone rain]

Dosent warlock have one too?

[knotty vine]

Monk is also extremely hard to put down permanently

[limber trail]

All three of those things are factors

[woven flint]

He actually collapsed a building on himself once..
But he was fine lol

[umbral girder]

Monk can play around with feats more than 2014 now too. Since backgrounds give feats, and all feats (except origin feats) give an ASI.

[wild harbor]

by the way how long have you been playing?

[knotty vine]

They buffed monks defense so much

[knotty vine]

Since 2e

[umbral girder]

Oh yeah Deflect Missiles got updated the Deflect Attack

[wild harbor]

Thats actually wild considering how people used to complain about Monk before

[knotty vine]

I’ve made so many monk characters my friend called me a “crazed fister”

[limber trail]

yeah wotc did a lot of work improving it in 2024

[woven flint]

Monk honestly was never the worst class, it just had a really weak early game

[fossil hollow]

yeah

[knotty vine]

True

[fossil hollow]

you had to wait for level 14 for a decent base clas feature

[woven flint]

Monks could always beat the breaks off of someone, but starting off with a d4 was just... blehh...

[wild harbor]

omg thats insane by the way what was dnd like back then compared to now?

[umbral girder]

Yeah Monk has always been good. All of D&D’s classes are good.

[woeful chasm]

hii

[knotty vine]

I still refuse to believe that gloom stalker came from the same book as sun soul

[woeful chasm]

is this the right channel to ask everyone their favorite campaign settings

[umbral girder]

Pretty sure because it didn’t

[woeful chasm]

trying to familiarize myself w/ the worlds of d&d before dipping my toes into actual gameplay haha

[knotty vine]

They both came from Xanther’s guide

[wild harbor]

Haha yeah I can see that so whats one thing from 2e you wish they kept in the current edition?

[umbral girder]

Sun Soul was from a different book then reprinted in Xanathar’s

[fossil hollow]

technically mtg, but theros. otherwise its dragonlance

[woven flint]

That doesn't mean they were from the same book lol

[umbral girder]

Storm Sorcerer, Sun Soul, Bladesinger, and I think Swashbuckler are all from SCAG.

[woven flint]

Oh, I misread, I thought you said they came before Xanathars