dnd-discussion

[eager marsh]

Anything mechanical is no longer flavor

[hot marlin]

If it does something mechanical, that's homebrew. The definition of flavoring for TTRPG purposes excludes mechanics, I would think

[prime basin]

name some flavoring that does nothing mechanically

[tall forge]

My eldritch blasts are just me spitting at people

[stone panther]

i disagree. like u'zhul said, you can flavor a spell to do different damage type, or flavor a weapon to have the stats of a different kind of weapon (a scimitar with the stats of a longsword)

[prime basin]

cool thats just how you shoot eldritch blasts

[crystal latch]

The former is homebrewing

[hot marlin]

Let's see, someone on reddit posted this as an example of flavor: "My current PC is a cursed Half-Elf Swarmkeeper Ranger that becomes more and more like an insect. In-Universe, he was born and raised as a normal half-elf, but mechanically, I used the Simic Hybrid race to give him these different features."

[tall forge]

Yea, has 0 effects on mechanics

[hot marlin]

So that character is a simic hybrid flavoured as a half-elf. It is flavoring and does nothing mechanically

[crystal latch]

In Minecraft terms, flavor is a texture pack while homebrew is a mod

[prime basin]

I guess

[hot marlin]

That character follows every simic hybrid rules and none of the half-elf rules. That's flavoring.

[eager marsh]

My red Dragonborn monk (ascendant dragon) using his racial wings makes them out of all 5 chromatic elements instead of just fire as part of his advancement to elemeantal balance. That is flavor.

[tall forge]

And texture packs have mechanical effects

[hot marlin]

If the DM gave that character half-elf abilities, it now becomes homebrewing

[feral fulcrum]

If you're changing mechanics or swapping damage types, it's no longer Flavor changes, it's Homebrew.

[tall forge]

Just not super important ones

[crystal latch]

Do they? Maybe in the newer versions idk

[prime basin]

Fine

[tall forge]

Like the sword being flavored as a different weapon bc you wanna have a shortsword but not be stuck at a d6 damage die….

[hot marlin]

Of course this is a semantic distinction

[tall forge]

X ray

[prime basin]

i just always throw in smaller mechanics that are niche but could be cool for my subclass but I suppose they aren’t just flavor

[tall forge]

but choosing a rapier is so incredibly “uncool”

[crystal latch]

I like reflavoring hand crossbows to all weapons in 2014 5e
"This is my sword, I can attack at -5/+10 and bonus action attack with it. I use Dex with it because it's a cool sword. I can also insult someone up to 120 feet away for damage which is inexplicably piercing. I need to spend 1 gp on uh... maintenance for every 20 attacks I make."

[eager marsh]

You do this with the DMs permission I assume? You can’t arbitrarily decide that as a player

[prime basin]

No these are homebrew

and if they are I’d show it to my dm and see if they’d be fine with me potentially playing it

[eager marsh]

As long as you understand then.

[humble cairn]

I've reflavored a shield as a cloak worn over one arm in the Italian cloak and rapier style fencing. I've reflavored light hammers as a few different things: brass knuckles, Olympics style discuses, iron rings worn on the forearms.

[worldly flare]

I’m probably the first person to have this problem but it sucks how Nystuls Magic Aura got changed to have the Mask effect be willing.

[stone panther]

oh man that really debuffs it, i used to use nystuls to force humanoid only spells to work on other monsters

[worldly flare]

Yeah cause I’m working on an overly complicated plan to get Quenthels sweet sweet at will cleric spells all to myself, but this ruins the whole thing!

Hypothetically of course*

[stone panther]

how would you have done it?

[worldly flare]

Be a sec, let me type this out

Ok so the Boon of Fluid Forms lets you shape-shift into any Beast, Humanoid or Monstrosity with a CR of 10 or lower. Unlike Shapechange this can be a NPC RAW. Then here’s where Nystuls WOULDVE come in, but since we can’t do legally turn Quenthel into an ooze without her consent, and she’s a chosen of Lolth and she WILL smite me if I try to dominate person her, it doesn’t work out!

If it did, the plan is to shape-shift into Pudding King, change shape into the Nystuled creature, have a Simulacrum cast Clone, wait, Shapechange into an Intellect Devourer, have a Simulacrum cast Clone, wait some more, then use a Spindle of Fate to guarantee the Steal Body check goes off. The Nystuls expires so the ooze thing isn’t a problem.

I’m PRETTY sure this all works out, correct me if I’m wrong.

This MIGHT work in 2014, but that depends on how that versions Nystuls works, and jury’s still out on that one.

[hollow hedge]

Wait a minute

Rage should work for DEX unarmed strikes, no?

[stone panther]

it doesnt work because boon of fluid forms is 2024

[worldly flare]

Oh. Right. LOL

Either way it sucks cause I’m SO CLOSE. I can taste it, it tastes delicious!

[jovial shadow]

Monk's Dex attacks work with Rage

Just not the advantage

[hollow hedge]

The +2?

[jovial shadow]

Yes

[hot marlin]

The question being: Is it worth it?

I'd say no, but it's debatable

[worthy ibex]

Yo im new and want to start a campaign can anyone help?

[hollow hedge]

But since unarmed strike is a strength move (extra damage determined by strength or dexterity modifier for monks) it should work right?

[worldly flare]

#looking-for-players

[worthy ibex]

My

Mb

[worldly flare]

It’s ok

[hollow hedge]

It's really good for early game. Later game it adds a lot of static damage adding a total of 10 extra static damage with a full 5 hit combo. It's the difference between 25 extra damage and 35 extra damage

[urban bolt]

Is OOTA a fun/interesting take on the Underdark? I'm planning a exploration centric campaign, and considering Underdark for my setting.

[hot marlin]

Yes but consider: How do you activate your rage?

[hollow hedge]

By using a bonus action?

[hot marlin]

With a bonus action. A bonus action that, as a monk, you could be using for plenty of other things. Including flurry of blows. So essentially, for one turn, you lose your martial art attack or your flurry of bows.

So there are fights where taking the time to activate that rage may actually result in a lessened damage output

[feral fulcrum]

if you know a Fight's coming however, you could just pre-emptively rage.

[hollow hedge]

However if we are using the fact it adds 2 you get 10 dmg in static damage the next turn which, if you're using the max die, d12, you do miss out on a potential max of 36 but the average roll would go up to roughly 22-24 which the extra damage makes up in about 2-3 rounds

[hot marlin]

That is true. Therefore, only some fights result in rage making you lose damage output

Essentially the shorter fights only, basically.

[urban bolt]

I'm anxious about the next session every day and week.

[hollow hedge]

But the shorter fights don't really need rage, now do they?

[hot marlin]

Depends. There are plenty of variables that may apply

[hollow hedge]

Mmm I guess

But then again we are looking at rage with a purely attack-based standpoint. Do not forget, you do resist all basic attack damage which iss really good for defending yourself

Especially with the monk's squishy nature

[hot marlin]

That is true, though I do have to say that monks already have excellent defensive tools

[hollow hedge]

Then what's one more? Making sure you survive is a pretty good thing to keep in mind

[hot marlin]

It is true. Though again, I still think the drawbacks of that multiclass outweigh its benefits

It's not worthless, it's just... Less than worthy. If that makes sense

[urban bolt]

Eh, i say try it out. Noharm in experimentation.

[hollow hedge]

Well you do get 20 more HP when at level 20 3:17 Barb to Monk respectively, you still get your max hit die, quivering palm, and other monk goodies just minus a couple of stats and a few focus points

[urban bolt]

tough feat anyone?

[hollow hedge]

That's if you start at a higher level than 1

[urban bolt]

Tough is an origin feat.

[hollow hedge]

From what race?

[urban bolt]

What? No race, it's just an origin feat.

Oh. in 24, which i'm supposing you arn't talking about.

[hollow hedge]

Wait lemme check rq

[feral fulcrum]

Origin feats come from Backgrounds in 2024

And are not a thing in 2014 at all

[hollow hedge]

Oh yeah, no using 2014 background

[urban bolt]

Simple fix, juts play 24 :)

[crystal nest]

That's not as simple as fix as it's portrayed

[urban bolt]

I am aware. it is simply a joke. Agoof, if you would. A jest, if you shall.

[scenic sky]

tuff

lwk new to dnd but i love it

[hollow hedge]

Same

[scenic sky]

i started this December

and ngl, it took us like 9 fridays to beat a lvl 3 campaign 😭

[hushed mason]

Sounds about right.

[glass dagger]

Not bad tbh

Nothing like ttrpgs, plenty things try to capture the magic, but there's nothing like being a part of it.

[feral fulcrum]

I'm not sure I'd call a 9 session long series a Campaign.

[frail wasp]

how long does it take to become a Campaign

[rare oar]

😈 you've heard of the bag of holding. If you go to a magic item shop and you haggle a bit too much, beware the shopkeeper doesn't instead give you a bag of molding, a bag that promotes growth of mold and the aging of everything inside.

[blissful ibex]

bag of folding; anything you put into it gets folded in half

[rough tide]

Yeah that sounds about right, sometimes it takes awhile

The game I play every wednesday has been running for almost six years lol

The level of the campaign doesn't really mean anything in regards to it's length

[glass granite]

I put a person it it

[blissful ibex]

sell it to a dwarven smith as a novel smithing technique for preparing damascus steel

[scenic sky]

wow.

[blissful ibex]

if only we should be so lucky

[rough tide]

The biggest wow there is the fact that we've only missed nine Wednesdays in six years lmao

Actual unicorn campaign

[hasty shore]

is the overarching main plot stayed relatively the same or have you gone through several large stories?

[rough tide]

We've gone through multiple storylines and at least one character arc for every player

We're in the final year now

[scenic sky]

there's smth like 300 Wednesdays in 6 years

[rough tide]

We're all level 20 and ridiculous

[scenic sky]

the ratio is insane

[rough tide]

We've got great attendance

[scenic sky]

yall lucky

[rough tide]

I've been playing D&D for over thirty years and this has been the longest and greatest campaign I've ever been part of

We're playing Spelljammer after we wrap this campaign up and we're expecting that to take at least four years

[worn lagoon]

thats nice

[scenic sky]

i've been playing for thirty days

[rough tide]

Thirty days is the first thirty days of thirty years

[scenic sky]

true

[rough tide]

This kind of group only comes along once in a lifetime and I'm glad we all met, but we still only play once a week and I need more games in my life

I play on Wednesday, Friday and Sunday, leaving four other days I could be playing

[scenic sky]

i can sense the greed😭

[rough tide]

lol

I just really enjoy playing D&D, gives me something to do with myself in retirement

[scenic sky]

make it 6/7 leaving sunday

[rough tide]

Nah I only need one more day to tip the scale into a majority for D&D

Whoever decided that weeks should contain an odd number of days is my sworn enemy for eternity

[blissful ibex]

got saturday, sunday, monday

my tuesday game evaporated and my thursday game became a saturday game after the person who made it be a thurday game flaked >.>

[rough tide]

oof, that's the worst when a game fizzles out

[scenic sky]

if weeks had 10 days we wouldnt have wars

[blissful ibex]

had a CoS game that died to scheduling clonflicts also , but that was a while ago and also 2014 rules which are kinda meh

[blissful ibex]

nothing is stopping them from doing that

[rough tide]

Man for real, measurements of time are wildly inconsistent

[blissful ibex]

weeks are an entirely contrived unit of time afterall

[rough tide]

We need a metric system but for time

[scenic sky]

.

[rough tide]

It probably already exists and now I look foolish but I stand by what I said

[blissful ibex]

we had one tbh
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Fixed_Calendar

[rough tide]

Ah there it is

My prediction about an already existing system of measurement was proven correct

And now I do indeed feel foolish

[blissful ibex]

wish they kept it :x
would make picking up meds at the pharmacy much easier

[scenic sky]

no one uses it tho

[rough tide]

New life mission: encourage the widespread adoption of the International Fixed Calendar

[blissful ibex]

welcome back George Eastman XD

[scenic sky]

subscriptions would last 2/3 days less 😭😭😭

[rough tide]

Oh wait I've heard of this before, I just didn't know what it was called. Hell yeah this needs to be a thing

[scenic sky]

if they change every subscription form 30 days to 28 i dont want it

[blissful ibex]

what if they're cheaper though

[scenic sky]

in this economy?

[rough tide]

Just a little bit of Chronomancy

[blissful ibex]

as a treat

[rough tide]

As a treat

[scenic sky]

since i play the wizard and im kinda new i wanted to ask u where to find spells

[blissful ibex]

https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/dnd/basic-rules-2014/spells#WizardSpells

in game, you can find/buy scrolls or find spellbooks to copy from

[rough tide]

Really that's entirely between you and the DM, if you're doing the Frieren thing and actively hunting for them, the DM would have to figure that out

[scenic sky]

i see

[rough tide]

Or you could spend time at a library or something and learn them, find a random tome on a monster, get one as a reward

It's all up to the creativity of your DM and yourself

[scenic sky]

can i get duplicates? because it would be strange if i only found the spells i wanted or needed

[blissful ibex]

love that playstyle tbh
one of the few changes I don't like in 2024 is the gutting of Ritual Caster and Book of Ancient Secrets

[scenic sky]

alright thanks

[rough tide]

Well, you can't have everything, I suppose. Wouldn't do for us all to be TOO happy

[blissful ibex]

duplicate scrolls you can just keep in scroll form and cast from them as a consumable to save sppellslots
duplicate spellbook entries still at least give you the other spells if any

[scenic sky]

i dont speak druidic, what does this mean

[rough tide]

What level is your wizard, by the by?

[blissful ibex]

it's a general feat and the other is a warlock thing
gave you a mini version of wizar'ds copy ability, but only for ritual spells

[scenic sky]

well it was lvl 3 cuz it was the max in the last campaign
he's writing a new story sooo we still have to start

[blissful ibex]

in other news, I might finally be getting a gestalt class campaign in a few weeks maybe

[blissful ibex]

3 is a nice level; don't start getting the real nice spells until around 5 though
big difference bet=ween second and third level spells

[scenic sky]

yeyeye this is a new whole campain and here the max is lvl 20 so we expect to play it for at least 2years

im more of a wizard monk, i need the monk to lvl 2 then lvl 18 wiz

i wanted to try it as soon as i read the book, its very interesting

[jovial shadow]

Good. You'll need Deflect Attacks

[scenic sky]

isnt that at lvl 3 or 4?

[glass granite]

Lvl 3

[jovial shadow]

aw damn. sorry

At least you get Patient Defense and step of the wind

[rough tide]

Do you know what level you're starting at?

Or is the entire thing still a work in progress yet

[scenic sky]

also we already have someone who wants to go full monk

[scenic sky]

i guess 1?

[rough tide]

Sweet, love a good level 1 start

[scenic sky]

people start at levels above 1??

[glass granite]

Yup
I do level 2 for my table

[rough tide]

Thought about your subclass yet?

[jovial shadow]

So many things so good about the Monk, but Delect Attacks/Energy and Evasion are so required

[glass granite]

I know some that do level 3, and a few that do level 5

[scenic sky]

i mean 1 and 2 are close but i expected smth like 5, thats boring ngl👀

[glass granite]

My players are new, so I don’t wanna overwhelm them

[scenic sky]

i forgot about that

[rough tide]

I rolled a Diviner wizard and it's so much fun

Portents are probably one of the greatest class features there is

[scenic sky]

ohhhh wait u mean the school?

[rough tide]

Yeah

[scenic sky]

i forgot the name, but its the one focusing on defense

[rough tide]

You get access to Portents at level 3 and they're just about the handiest thing you'll have, you can replace a roll with one that you rolled after a long rest

[limber trail]

Abjuration is super fun

[scenic sky]

yes that, thanks

[remote wadi]

Gave another look over for the homebrew Pugilist class

To be honest, I really like it. They're basically a more defensive and unarmed version of a monk

Not as fast or agile, but can still hit hard

[rough tide]

So you get up after a long rest and roll two d20's, and at any point before the roll you want to replace happens, you can automatically apply your portent roll to it instead

If you rolled a 20 as a portent and your fighter could kill a boss with a critical hit, then before his attack you call it out instead and he gets the 20

[jovial shadow]

If you take the Monk to 3rd level, then Warrior of Shadow is good. I was owning everything through 16th level. Treantmonk played a oneshot with the UA test Elemental Monk, and he saved everyone from getting killed. It's worth checking out if you want to see the test subclass in action

[remote wadi]

I prefer Warrior of Mercy myself. It's not as flashy offensively, but they make for excellent battle medics

What's more, 2024 version also gives you 3 extra proficiencies

[blissful ibex]

shadow monk is honnestly the one I'm most interested in if I would play a monk

[limber trail]

If you roll 1s, 2s, and other bad rolls, you can also throw guaranteed misses or fails onto enemies

[scenic sky]

im not that good but i read the book like 2 or 3 times and i picked monk just because it gives u more hp at the start, +10 feet and unarmored defense is OP

[remote wadi]

Ehhh, HP is not on the larger side with a Monk

[scenic sky]

ah and also cuz i can use dex instead of str for attacks

[limber trail]

monks can wind up with solid HP pools, it's just that it requires a decent con (which to be honest, con should still be your third best stat)

[scenic sky]

better than 1d6 ngl, at least for the first 2 lvls

[remote wadi]

Dex and Wisdom will be the most important stats by far, so it means you will have relatively average HP. We're talking 33 or so HP at level 5

[limber trail]

33 is a bit low

[scenic sky]

i got 16 dex

[limber trail]

you can scratch 40 HP without much trouble at level 5

[remote wadi]

I'm assuming at most +1 Con and taking the average option for HP every level up

[blissful ibex]

would be more like 38 yeah?

like you can swing a 14 in con as a tertiary stat

[limber trail]

a +1 con is unrealistic for basically all builds. A +2 con is stock standard.

I have a 14 con that I got through point buy

[blissful ibex]

my druidlock is on a perpetual +1 con though >.>

[remote wadi]

I'm going off of standard array

[blissful ibex]

she's a bit MAD to be fair

[scenic sky]

sooo 10 con is bad?

[jovial shadow]

Not just that, but the Monk also has abilities that give it TP. At 2nd level you can do it once at initiative and at 10th you can do it whenever you use Patient Defense. Just keep replenishing TP as long as you have Focus Points.

[blissful ibex]

it's not great, especially on a caster

[remote wadi]

You would likely have at most 13 con without further investments (which takes away from Dex and Wis)

[limber trail]

Point buy is way more common (or most games allow point buy OR standard array), you can also easily turn the 13 stat you get into a 14 with your racial ASI

[blissful ibex]

constitution os the stat responsible for you making concentration saves, which is a big part of casters

[jovial shadow]

You don't get racial ASI's in 2024 though

[remote wadi]

Long story short, Constitution isn't a stat worth heavy investments in

However, it is very very rarely a stat you want to be terrible due to what it affects

[limber trail]

you do get a background ASI which is about the same

[remote wadi]

Wouldn't you want to use that racial ASI on Wis or Dex?

[limber trail]

con is very much worth investment

[remote wadi]

I'm saying that you don't want to prioritize it the most

[limber trail]

Dex? Yes. Wisdom? I'd rather round my con off, to a +2

[blissful ibex]

con is happy around ~+2 on anything not barbarian

[remote wadi]

It is worth investments, just not so much other stats get left behind

[worn lagoon]

no force on earth could start me at lv1 again

[remote wadi]

Mmm, fair enough. But what races are a +2 to Dex and a +1 to Con?

[limber trail]

a lot of races let you put those stats into anything.

[remote wadi]

Like...?

[worn lagoon]

tashamaxxing

[jovial shadow]

Again no races get ASI's in 2024

[blissful ibex]

level 2 is basicaly the reasonable minimum start level, 3 being better once you're mroe familiar whith the game
1 is just a massive slog and is incredibly easy to get killed on

[limber trail]

Every single species in MotM for example

[worn lagoon]

i play gem dragonborns with +2 charisma +1 dex or swap the charisma for int

[limber trail]

I'm referring to 2014 rules mainly because bloodline plays it (although I do prefer & exclusively play 2024)

[jovial shadow]

Okay so we just need to be clear because we were starting off talking about the 2024 Monk and it's ASI's and then it changed to 2014 racial stuff for something else.

[remote wadi]

Nothing for base DnD?

[scenic sky]

is 16 armor class good at lv 1

[remote wadi]

Which class?

[blissful ibex]

what class?>

[worn lagoon]

it's not bad

[limber trail]

i have no idea, there is most likely a species that lets you, I'm not aware of any

[jovial shadow]

It's okay. A Fighter can get higher with his full amor and 17 dex

[scenic sky]

monk for 2 levels then multiclass 18 lvls with wizard👀👀

[limber trail]

a fighter with full (I assume heavy) armour doesn't add their Dex to their AC

[blissful ibex]

16 is fine for a skirmisher/caster

[worn lagoon]

that is definitely one of the combinations of all time

[scenic sky]

ngl i might just gamble it and roll my stats

[remote wadi]

I think a good compromise is that it's possible to spend a point from an upcoming ASI

But a monk would not likely have a +2 or above in all 3 of those stats

[oak spoke]

Who here likes dice, hoarding

[remote wadi]

So a level 2 monk? Yeah, that's Unarmored Defemse for ya

[limber trail]

I play a monk who has a +2 or above in all 3 of those stats, and has since level 1.

[scenic sky]

ik ik, thats why i want lvl 2 monk

[blissful ibex]

I have 17 sets and a bunch of spindowns and d6s c:

[remote wadi]

I presume with point buy and special classes

Should have specified that

[limber trail]

no special classes, but with point buy yes

[remote wadi]

Mmm, but I wouldn't want to multiclass out of it. Monks are not a class you usually MC with

[valid geyser]

Dm keeps pulling punches at us. It’s kind of been a pattern. Supposed to fight an adult blue dragon but DM decided against TPKs and had the thing fly away leaving us to deal with brother guys we were fighting

[oak spoke]

This is not meant to be an ad, i promise, but I found a 26 sets in amazon product for less than 50 usd

[vast plume]

I’m yearning to try the new pugilist class

[oak spoke]

And im a hoarder wih 80+ sets meself TvT

[scenic sky]

yeah i was thinking to mc wizard then multiclass monk till lvl 2 and then back to wizard

[remote wadi]

Really? I managed to find 10 sets for about $25

Ooh, but you should really see the good set that's coming soon

[scenic sky]

cuz i get more stuff if i start as a wizard

[blissful ibex]

I get mine from my LGS or from https://dnddice.com/
generally a bit nicer then the bulk bundles like that

[blissful ibex]

it's #third-party though
not a huge fan

[oak spoke]

Im more of a color and quantity collector but oooh

[blissful ibex]

they do have bulk bundles on there as well tbh
bit pricier then amazon but better quality

[remote wadi]

Not the best idea. For starters, you would need to invest in 3 stats in order to MC, and that would leave your Constitution quite poor. Bad for both survival and concentration

[jovial shadow]

Fighter with half plate armor is AC 15, +3 for Dex 17 and +2 for a shield= 20. So an AC 16 is meh

[remote wadi]

Half plate is Medium? Then it would only be 19 AC

[blissful ibex]

16 is fine for a level 2 monk

[remote wadi]

Unless you also take a feat for that

[limber trail]

So the challenge is, as a wizard you can take the shield spell or the mage armour spell. Either of those spells will get you a good enough AC to replace the need for unarmoured defence. And I say that because, monk and wizard don't MC well. You will need a 13 wis, int, and dex to do this multiclass - which is achievable - but you're also suffering in the con department. You do get stuff out of it, but not a lot. I would encourage mainlining wizard. By the time you're a level 1 wizard / level 2 monk, you could instead be a level 3 wizard. Your damage would be much better as a wizard and you'd have the spell slots to throw mage armour up for the same effect.

[vast plume]

I have been yearning for a rough and tough punchy character and none of the official monk subclasses are satiating it
Also the ability names are kinda silly

[scenic sky]

my dm hates me

[jovial shadow]

How do you figure it's 19? What is your math?

[remote wadi]

Then I happen to have the class for you. One sec

[scenic sky]

does magic armor count as an armor?

[blissful ibex]

15+2+2 = 19
halfplate + 2 max dex + 2 shield
https://www.dndbeyond.com/equipment/14-half-plate

15 + Dex modifier (max 2)

[remote wadi]

Half plate is 15, shield makes it 17. You don't get +3 from Dex because Medium Armor is +2 max. You would need Medium Armor Master to get it to +3

[scenic sky]

does it cancel monk's unarmored defense?

[jovial shadow]

17 dex is +3

[idle oar]

And #character-discussion is that a way

[humble cairn]

I've used Beast Barbarian to do a punchy character pretty well.

[idle oar]

We do have channels for these topics folks

So I'm going to ask you to move the discussion to the correct channels

[wanton sorrel]

what is the best adventure you been on in D&D?

[blissful ibex]

Rather enjoyed the
WBW-DC-DCAF01 Pixie Dreams
WBW-DC-DCAF01B Barangay Bound
WBW-DC-DCAF02 Harengon Harana
trilogy; Though they randomly swap out the main character NPC you're following for the third one

[idle oar]

Level 1-20 "save the world" homebrew campaign a friend ran. All sorts of amazing stories explored and enjoyed including character deaths in astral space (so no resurrection possible).
But it was amazing to blast the BBEG lich with a 9th level daylight spell

[wanton sorrel]

Cool, I mean for both of you!

[idle oar]

I also ran a fun D&D campaign for friends and family that went from levels 1-20 running through Ghosts of Saltmarsh (official adventure) and, when they wanted to continue with their characters, sent them into Drakkenheim (3rd party adventure). The players and I had a lot of fun. Still laugh at the memory of a bunch of level 1s taking out a vampire by being smart and fighting it in the daylight... was not expecting that!

[lucid reef]

Is anybody looking for players in campaigns because I just got kicked out of mine once again

[cosmic roost]

Ready to play Dungeons & Dragons?

Visit #find-a-game for everything you need to start your search, including:

• Instructions for finding a game here on the server (including how to post in our #looking-for channels).
• Suggestions for finding a game outside of this server.
• Basic advice to help you in your hunt.

[idle oar]

Use #looking-for-players and #looking-for-community to find games (check #find-a-game to learn how to use the LFG channels).

[wanton sorrel]

Anyway... what was the toughest decision on any campaign weather you were a player or a dungeon master?

[idle oar]

Well Ghosts of Saltmarsh makes use of weather a bit (what with the nautical themes). Can't say it was particularly hard but making the characters make appropriate skill rolls to deal with weather and currents to give it a bit of risk.

[wanton sorrel]

would they roll a survival check?

[lucid reef]

What a username and thank you

[idle oar]

Depended on what was needed/happening

• survival for navigation
• nature for understanding the weather/currents
• sleight of hand for handling ropes
• athletics for strength-based tasks (moving gear around for better ship balance, moving the anchor)
• Other skill checks as seemed appropriate for the game context

[wanton sorrel]

ah I see... so it's not just a survival check but with other checks that work great... I see... i'll keep this in mind.

[idle oar]

That way every character can have a hand (hah!) at helping the group out.

[limber trail]

Might not be my toughest but a difficult one for me came up last night. The party was fighting a colossus. It had its' divine ray ready to go, and everyone wisely got out of a line shaped formation... unlike the last two times.... Warlock and Cleric were each on about 5hp, and there was absolutely no way I could justify it doing anything else. I had to pick which player to kill.

[idle oar]

Ooof. That can be a hard choice!

[limber trail]

In the end I rolled for it. 1-10 kills the warlock, a 11-20 kills the cleric. A 13 spelled the end of Kresha Berryman.

[karmic pendant]

Unironically it was whether or not to go back and try to save a party member who was 1v1ing something he couldn't beat

[wanton sorrel]

oh a 1v1 that is imppossible to beat alone.

Warlock and cleric that were on 5hp left... that's a pretty tough decision it felt like you were cornered to kill them.

on the 1v1 Monster... what weapon were they using?

[limber trail]

It was a tough spot but the player took it like a champ. I was really glad that everyone understood the assignment and came into the session prepared to die.

[remote wadi]

Anyone have some good random ideas on magical weapons?

[idle oar]

Some of the fun and crazy concoctions folks in #homebrew come up with?

[remote wadi]

Very long ones, it seems

[prime pewter]

My character died last session, so I'm thinking of bringing in a Minotaur Warlock. Building him rn

[blissful ibex]

Draconic shard weapons are fun c:

[limber trail]

A flame touched is always great fun.

It was really strong, but I gave my barbarian player a sword where, each time it hits, the damage dice increases by a d6 (and then resets on a miss). That had some awesome moments involved with it.

[wanton sorrel]

Use a classic called Excalibur.

[prime pewter]

Now for the subclass... Undead, or Fiend?

[remote wadi]

A fun one that I saw online was a pair of gauntlets called "Thoughts and Prayers" that did either psychic or radiant damage

[prime pewter]

(It'll be orcus-adjacent either way)

[remote wadi]

My favorite so far

[limber trail]

The feeling of building damage up to 8d6 or whatever and losing it all on a miss was unreal, attack rolls never felt so risky and forgoing any kind of advantage was such a gamble

[blissful ibex]

Sun Blades are also fun

[wanton sorrel]

true

[blissful ibex]

ooo, Draconic Shard Sun Blade

[remote wadi]

A funny one to try out would be that one Excalibur from Puss in Boots TLW

Reach weapon, but if attacking at the max possible range, you get bludgeoning damage and the dice are doubled, but decreased by a tier (i.e. d8s become d6s)

[hollow wing]

hello

[wanton sorrel]

hello silver

chat died. Fatality.

[nimble schooner]

Peeks in

[dire dawn]

My account has been Compromised Ban me and block me immediately

[covert root]

...?

[timid current]

sounds like someone left their laptop open

[naive cedar]

casts Revivify on chat

[hushed mason]

Oh hi.

[glass granite]

Oh hi

What are yalls pick for most underrated spell?

[hushed mason]

I shouldn't answer.

[naive cedar]

Eldritch blast

[nimble schooner]

Lol

[naive cedar]

Okay seriously though, calm emotions is pretty good

[nimble schooner]

Touche

[burnt valley]

Web and Sleet Storm cuz no one in low to mid op uses it

They kinda favor blasting more

[blissful ibex]

I dropped a dragon from 160 feet for 57 damage using sleet storm last weekend
killed 9 mooks in the process too c:

[burnt valley]

Noice

[wanton sorrel]

Cool.

[craggy summit]

I don't ever see anyone talk about chromatic orb. It's a level 1 spell that deals 3d8 damage and you can chose what element you want? Combine that with a twinned spell and you got a low level power house

[feral fulcrum]

Longstrider. Do not underestimate the power of extra movement speed.

[wanton sorrel]

chromatic orb? what is that?

[feral fulcrum]

An offensive spell that lets you pick an elemental damage type, and huck an orb at enemies.

[brave pebble]

its pretty good

[wanton sorrel]

is that a homebrew spell?

[feral fulcrum]

Nope, official content

https://www.dndbeyond.com/spells/2618966-chromatic-orb?msockid=1fa359900372671904f84f7502076691

...It does however needed a costed spell component, which I forgot about. That's rather odd for a level 1 spell. I do suppose the usefulness of being multi-damage type calls for it.

[hushed mason]

Not really, when you consider the amount ofdamage it does.

[limber trail]

it does, but it's an interesting break from the pattern, having a level 1 spell, let alone a damaging spell, with a gp cost

[wanton sorrel]

huh i wonder if it's a third party spell... since i don't see that in my lists of spells on DND beyond

[limber trail]

It's right from the PHB

[hushed mason]

It's right on the D&D Beyond website.

[brave pebble]

whenever i have a sorcerer i just let them get the gem at like level 2 or 3, it helps them feel more powerful and i can just balance everything against the new powerspike

[wanton sorrel]

huh maybe it's not a worlock spell

[brave pebble]

it isnt

[hushed mason]

Page 249, even.

[wanton sorrel]

huh I wonder what class it's in.

[brave pebble]

sorcerers and wizards

[wanton sorrel]

ah ok...

[fickle heart]

Augury. I get to cheat.

[hazy timber]

So uuuh
I keep rolling nat 20's on dndbeyond

[wanton sorrel]

isn't that a good thing?

[hazy timber]

too many

[limber trail]

How many?

[hazy timber]

like 10+

[feral fulcrum]

Sometimes RNG be like that.

[undone rain]

Are bugbears playable on default?

[limber trail]

I’ve had session where I roll 5 Nat 20s out of not many more rolls.

[native cargo]

Dude, aasimar’s are so broken.

[feral fulcrum]

Unless everyone starts suddenly rolling 20's nonstop, don't presume the Roller broke.

[brave pebble]

not without expansions

[limber trail]

If your DM allows them then yeah - they’re in MotM which is usually pretty well allowed

[hazy timber]

let me roll more and see how many i get in a row

[undone rain]

Gotcha

[feral fulcrum]

And not really. They're good, but no Race is what I'd call broken.

[native cargo]

True.

[hazy timber]

ok i rolled another nat 20

[native cargo]

[hazy timber]

thats like atleast 11 now

[wanton sorrel]

so wait a minute i was looking at the wizard spells... and i notice a kenku can use the fly spell.

[hazy timber]

12 nat 20's wth is going on

[brave pebble]

go buy a lottery ticket righ now

[limber trail]

when you roll a lot of dice you're gonna get a lot of nat 20s

[hazy timber]

i'm rolling then one at a time

how many do you want me to roll in a row. i'll try it

[wanton sorrel]

how many nat 6 can you roll Kelcium?

[hazy timber]

i got a 2.

[wanton sorrel]

x'D

[hazy timber]

on a 1d6

[wanton sorrel]

yes

[native cargo]

[wanton sorrel]

his character will be full of 18 on every stat

[native cargo]

Fr

[hazy timber]

nope it seems to be just 20s on dndbeyond

[wanton sorrel]

huh dang

[hazy timber]

everything else is normal

[native cargo]

Then you gotta use DndBeyond to make your character lol.

[wanton sorrel]

i have 17 characters on DNDbeyond

[limber trail]

20 d20s

[hazy timber]

ok i'll send you the result

sent you a request elephant

[wanton sorrel]

you might want to go 5 at a time since the equestion wont fit 20 of dice of 20's

[feral fulcrum]

I am hype for my game tomorrow.

[native cargo]

Cool, I have a game tomorrow too.

[limber trail]

you can roll 20d20 on dndbeyond, it works

[brave pebble]

must be nice...

[native cargo]

We’re doing Dragons of Stormwreck Isle though since I’m a beginner.

[worn lagoon]

New house rule
Whoever makes a 67 joke during the session loses one point of charisma permanently

[native cargo]

Hehe, everyone’s losing.

XD

[wanton sorrel]

nvm i found out how to see the rest of the dice since 5 can be shown but then... it had ... which i never knew until now.

[hazy timber]

elephant just saw my rolls lol

[wanton sorrel]

lol

[native cargo]

How many nat 20s?

[hazy timber]

i stopped at 15

[severe rampart]

doh!

[hazy timber]

but 15 in a row. (i could roll more)

[feral fulcrum]

15 nat 20's in row tells me that the Dice Roller is broken.

[hazy timber]

its only on d20s everything else is normal

[wanton sorrel]

i rolled 167 d20's but only manage to get 5 nat 20's

[hazy timber]

i refreshed and used different characters

[wanton sorrel]

so i use 1d20 for casting the spell? is that the same for healing?

[brave pebble]

you roll a d20 to know if your spell hits, unless its description says that the target need to roll a saving throw. healing an ally doesnt use d20s

[wanton sorrel]

huh i guess i don't need to roll a d20 to hit heal any party members for heals

[bronze wave]

It would be a barb player

[wanton sorrel]

?

[bronze wave]

Look at the message above yours

[limber trail]

you only need to roll a d20 if the spell calls for a spell attack roll, or has some other effect that stats it requires a d20

[wanton sorrel]

ah ok

[meager fractal]

What discord alternatives are there out there for playing ttrpgs? Becoming more and more clear that might be on the menu these days...

[wanton sorrel]

I was wondering about that since the healer is outside of the house and tries to heal a party member inside the house.

[limber trail]

No roll needed

If you meet the requisites for the spell then it just works

[glass granite]

Yup

[hushed mason]

Isn't healing a touch spell?

[wanton sorrel]

ah ok... i'll keep that in mind... since i always tell my players to roll to cast the healing spell to hit the party member >.>

[limber trail]

Cure wounds is, but healing word just requires line of sight

[glass granite]

Ah yeah that’s not necessary lol

[bronze wave]

Depends on the spell

[undone rain]

How come guns are often banned in campaigns. Are they complicated?

[bronze wave]

Doesn’t fit the setting usually

[glass granite]

Some don’t fit in the setting

[wanton sorrel]

K i'll tell them that you can heal the party member from the north pole even though your character is on the south pole...

[bronze wave]

Also dnd gun mechanics are cheeks sooooo

[undone rain]

Fair enough

[bronze wave]

I mean there’s a spell range?

[glass granite]

Not that well lmao. Still got requirements.

[limber trail]

not complicated - it comes down to if they fit the setting as well as how costly they might be. Plenty of campaigns have them as extraordinarily rare - not something your average level 3 player might get

[wanton sorrel]

oh right

[undone rain]

I was simply curious lol, good old bow and crossbows works for me tho

[bronze wave]

Unless it’s like a 9th lvl wish that you are using to heal then sure

[undone rain]

That makes sense

[limber trail]

most spells require line of sight AND have a range. You can use healing word on a creature you can see within 60ft.

[undone rain]

But who needs guns when crossbows exist

[limber trail]

Kosmus I'm gonna say this as earnestly and supportively as possible: You really should just take an afternoon and read a few spells and read the spellcasting chapter of the PHB and learn how spells work

[wanton sorrel]

well they did roll a 19... i wonder if i should let him succeed is all.

[harsh hollow]

I like that new True Strike incentivizes casters to carry a light crossbow to use it on Just In Case ™

[limber trail]

9th level wish to heal has a "range" - as far as you can see.

[limber trail]

Why should they not succeed?

[undone rain]

My paladin accidentally became the main character of the campaign and istg i did not mean to

[harsh hollow]

Yeah that's not how healing spells work.

[wanton sorrel]

I was wondering how much freedom of fantasy the players can really have...

[glass granite]

I mean, the rules limit their freedom enough

[limber trail]

This isnt freedom of fantasy - this is the mechanics of the game; this is the rules of the game as written in the players handbook

[bronze wave]

I mean no literally just saying I wish to heal my party member in the South Pole while I’m in the north.

That’s the wish use here

[limber trail]

oh right, i mean yeah something like that would be a fair usage

[harsh hollow]

There reaches a point where you're just not playing the base rules properly though. This is already a game where a lot of people only heal to make sure you don't die when you get knocked down, if you make it hard to do period they're just going to ignore it.

[glass granite]

Risking Wish Fatigue for something like that is a power move

[wanton sorrel]

so i would have to tell them to roll for it to see if it succeeds since it's out of range.

[glass granite]

If it’s out of range they simply can’t do it. The spell fails.

[wanton sorrel]

ah ok...

[bronze wave]

I rlly wanna heal someone in the South Pole

[ancient dew]

Or your players can just try their best to make sure their in range of one another should they wish to buff each other with spells?

[undone rain]

Is wish like an extremely strong spell

[glass granite]

Strongest in the game, arguably

[limber trail]

9th level spell, one of the strongest in the game

[undone rain]

Daaaamn

[bronze wave]

Stated to be out right yes lol

[glass granite]

Lore wise I think it is?

[harsh hollow]

It has two effects: Anything the DM will allow, or any 8th level (or lower) spell of your choice.

It's an actual magical genie-style wish.

[limber trail]

certainly the strongest non-combat spell

[bronze wave]

Gameplay and lore it’s just the best besides some weird 12 lvl pre 5e bs

It prob is the best combat spell to lol

[harsh hollow]

There's a chance as one of the effects that you won't ever be allowed to cast it again.

[glass granite]

So depending on the DM it could theoretically kill gods instantly
Few DM’s will bring it that far though

[bronze wave]

It’s a spell solely held on by the power of a dm

[meager fractal]

I wanna hand out a cool torc to one of my pcs. I dunno why i just think it'd be cool. Not magical or anything. Just a cool torc that they can wear.

[glass granite]

(Assuming you do something that’s not casting an 8th level spell or under)

[harsh hollow]

I don't think it has monkey's paw style shennanigans written in but I've heard some DMs do that anyway.

[ancient dew]

It has to be something within reason of the DM, bearing in mind the bigger the action of wish the bigger consequences it could have on the world

[limber trail]

it does have a point where the DM can explicitly decide how far it goes - the DM can say "no, it doesn't work like that"

[knotty pasture]

It is unfortunately responsible for all sorts of exploits that break the game yes

[undone rain]

What dosent break the game atp

[burnt valley]

Anything on the bullet points and replicating 8th level spells or lower, do not use the DM fiat part

[glass granite]

Oh absolutely, a good DM would place restrictions on wish

[wanton sorrel]

wish to defeat the dungeon master?

[knotty pasture]

True but think about all the weird exploits you can pull off, a lot of them ties back to the spell Wish

[harsh hollow]

Sometimes the entire point of a campaign is a character wanting to use Wish to change/create something pivitol for them.

[limber trail]

A DM with any level of responsibility is gonna be able to shut down those exploits by just saying "No"

[knotty pasture]

Break the economy, be literally god, be immortal, have an infinite sized army

[wanton sorrel]

lol

[hushed mason]

You can break the economy without a Wish spell.

[limber trail]

A DM can say no to any of those things

[harsh hollow]

DM's word is already law but I'm pretty sure the spell explicitly says that in the description, in some way.

[burnt valley]

Fabritech lul

[glass granite]

A DM kinda can say no to almost everything

[knotty pasture]

At that point just ban the Wish spell

[glass granite]

Something along those lines yes

[burnt valley]

As a DM, i say No to martials existing

[limber trail]

"The DM has great latitude in ruling what occurs in such an instance; the greater the wish, the greater the likelihood that something goes wrong. This spell might simply fail, the effect you desire might be achieved only in part, or you might suffer an unforeseen consequence as a result of how you worded the wish."

[knotty pasture]

(Arguably a good thing to prevent headaches between PC and DM)

[limber trail]

if you cast wish and everyone understands the wording of the spell, there's no huge issues

[harsh hollow]

Oh, so there actually is monkey's paw possibilities written in.

[ancient dew]

I think as long as the wish isn’t just straight up unreasonable the DM and PC can discuss a comfortable compromise

[glass granite]

Wish is by far the most dangerous spell in the game for the caster

[undone rain]

I wish for 200 fireballs

[burnt valley]

Only if you aren't using it to replicate spells of 8th level or lower and the ones at the bullet points

[glass granite]

You do not want to wish for 200 fireballs you did not specify the location of
I assume

[harsh hollow]

Yeah, I meant for the "bending the fabric of reality" part.

[burnt valley]

Its the 3rd best 9th level spell in the game for 2024

[wanton sorrel]

a wish to say immune to all traps

[knotty pasture]

In any case, a good thing campaigns don't always last till level 20

[limber trail]

with stuff like this, it's usually best to refer to an existing effect of the spell and use that as a baseline for what's possible. If you're gonna wish for fireballs, well, there's already an effect of the spell that it can recreate one spell of up to 8th level. So maybe the best you can get is something similar to an 8th level fireball

[knotty pasture]

It would have been a rite of passage for all DMs to answer the question of Wish exploits

[harsh hollow]

That'd be kind of a waste, at the level you get Wish you could do that easier with far less.

[burnt valley]

Fullcasters win at Lvl 17 so ig fair enough

[limber trail]

alternatively, make 200 dex saves as 500 fireballs trigger on you

[wanton sorrel]

you might have a great point...

[glass dagger]

"The stress of casting Wish to produce any effect other than duplicating another spell weakens you. After enduring that stress, each time you cast a spell until you finish a Long Rest, you take 1d10 Necrotic damage per level of that spell. This damage can’t be reduced or prevented in any way. In addition, your Strength score becomes 3 for 2d4 days. For each of those days that you spend resting and doing nothing more than light activity, your remaining recovery time decreases by 2 days. Finally, there is a 33 percent chance that you are unable to cast Wish ever again if you suffer this stress."

[limber trail]

anyone who believes that hasn't played with a DM who tries enough

[undone rain]

Now that would be something. Nuke level of fireballs

[harsh hollow]

Remember: If you pick the feature that doesn't just replicate a spell there's a chance you can lose ability to cast Wish ever again.

[burnt valley]

Wish is a DM favourite spell, they get to mess with the party as much as they want

[knotty pasture]

The thing is that, all the exploits kind of come from replicating spells...

[burnt valley]

Avoid the DM fiat part

[rough atlas]

it took me 2 hours to align these maps oh my goodness

[harsh hollow]

I think it probably serves better as a plot device than something used in a practical way.

[knotty pasture]

So the 33% chance to lose Wish for the rest of the campaign penalty is moot

[harsh hollow]

I've always thought that as a campaign premise dealing with the aftermath of a Wish that changed too much would be fun. People in pursuit of that much power rarely think of how other people will be effected by it.

[burnt valley]

RAW, they do but with homebrew ofc they can do something

[limber trail]

If you're referring to the Djinni trick... The wording of wish is "Finally, there is a 33 percent chance that you are unable to cast Wish ever again if you suffer this stress". That's just something that affects the character. That stays with you even through shapechange. Plus, Djinnis only have a chance to know wish. I think it's a completely valid DM ruling to say that if you shapechange into it, you just don't have that ability.

[glass granite]

I think Sublime is referring to duplicating spells

[burnt valley]

High Op Magocracy

[limber trail]

Oh I see

[knotty pasture]

I'm not referring to any trick, I was referring to how Wish exploits all come from replicating spells

[glass granite]

From this

[limber trail]

any particular exploits in mind?

[knotty pasture]

You just opened Pandora's Box there, one sec

[burnt valley]

Wish cast fire ball

[glass granite]

Wish for a cape of billowing

[limber trail]

I'm genuinely curious, I don't know of any and wanna know more

This isn't an argument, just a genuine question

[harsh hollow]

I think there's one with clones and simulacra.

[burnt valley]

2014, there's ofc the wish cast simulacrum

[wanton sorrel]

Wish for every roll 1 it's 100% nat 20

[knotty pasture]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1DcuRCkAnsoEveBwT4FKiRyxqCbP05qmkywpvS2HVHLs/

A guide for the things you can do, granted this is a guide for god exits but the whole thing rides on the spell Wish

So with enough time you can pull everything off from that list

[wanton sorrel]

dang i don't think i want to be overpowered... it ruins the character

[ancient dew]

I think all of this can simply be mitigated by the DM just shutting down any possible attempts at exploiting and breaking the game?

Also seems like it may be something for the average player to replicate, you’d have to go out of your way to scheme something like this

[knotty pasture]

You can but all of this is RAW for starters, though I do agree that there's an argument to be made for banning Wish altogether

Because Wish is just exploits exploits exploits

[harsh hollow]

Well yeah, but I think this is under a Pure Mechanics ™ situation where if it works RAW you can do it.

The DM can shut down anything, it's still fun to think of the hypotheticals.

[burnt valley]

DM fiat also shuts down class features (2014 Assassin lul)

[limber trail]

People should play dnd more and talk about playing dnd less I think

[harsh hollow]

Trust me, I'd love to play more. x3

[limber trail]

comically funny build that would fall flat on its face in two seconds by any DM

[burnt valley]

That as an argument won't work since anything would not matter under a trash DM

[umbral girder]

Time dragon boss fight will be fun

[harsh hollow]

Like for instance I doubt the Peasant Railgun has actually gone off that many times, but it's still a fun hypothetical.

[burnt valley]

Spellcasters? Hahaha me go antimagic field for 17373837 gigaparsecs as a "gotcha" to invalidate spellcasters

[burnt valley]

Peasant Railgun is not RAW

[harsh hollow]

I always wondered what even got that idea going to begin with.

Where did you get that many peasants? What in the rules says anything other than the last guy just getting passed the javalin would even happen?

[knotty pasture]

Go to a city like Waterdeep or Baldur's Gate

And just yeet

[burnt valley]

The damage dealt will still be the improvised weapon damage

[barren panther]

Waterdeep spirit bomb

[stark maple]

im reading the DND rick and morty book and even they took a shoot as charisma
STRENGTH: How to hit stuff

DEXTERITY: How to keep from being hit by stuff

CONSTITUTION: How to survive getting hit by stuff

INTELLIGENCE: Good for arcane stuff

WISDOM: Finding stuff

CHARISMA: Dump stat, ignore it

[severe rampart]

Wisdom: "Finding Stuff" 😭

[glass granite]

I prefer the tomato analogy ngl

[stark maple]

remember this is coming from "ricks" perspective

[real epoch]

hello

whats going on?

[fossil hollow]

death, the destruction of worlds

[glass granite]

Cmon Ti it ain’t that bad

[fossil hollow]

i miss stream

[glass granite]

Gasp

[glass granite]

Death, the destruction of worlds

[real epoch]

do you streaming?

[fossil hollow]

no.

[empty thicket]

A war, thousands or// thousands of thousands// are coming to the lands and for the people of this kingdom.
Enemies of all the sizes, kinds and shapes. All of them ready to crave their path using innocent blood.
But there is a glimpse of hope, broken people, uncanny warriors that shine and feed the flames of this torch made of hope
Be ready, warrior
have faith, savior
stand the adversity, hero.

[fossil hollow]

im not sure you want gimp of hope

[empty thicket]

i cant find the correct word, its something like that

[fossil hollow]

glimpse

[empty thicket]

thankies

[graceful crescent]

My most recent campaign had just ended

[glass granite]

Last sentence also reads weirdly

[glass granite]

Ended because it finished of it died out?

[glass granite]

Is it “stand the adversity”?

[graceful crescent]

Mines of phandelver reached its conclusion

[glass granite]

Oh nice, congrats!

[fossil hollow]

a classic

[empty thicket]

better?

[fossil hollow]

now to do what lies below phandelver

[graceful crescent]

My character turned out to be an antagonist

[covert root]

Isn't LMoP just 1-4?

[graceful crescent]

Yes

[glass granite]

“Stood” feels off to me

[empty thicket]

both Stand and Stood work, im not finding a real difference now

[glass granite]

Stood is past tense, while the others are future tense, which is why I think it feels weird to me

[empty thicket]

"stood the adversity and became a hero" would fit more?

[glass granite]

Why not “stand the adversity and become a hero”?

[empty thicket]

More Dramatic

[livid owl]

It's 2:35am and I want to play a worm in a campaign now
At least a oneshot
Why do I want to play a worm? It's 2:35am that's why

Now it's 2:36am

I want 1 non humanoid player race. Just 1 . I understand why they don't exist , but I call such limitations COWARDICE (silly)

[languid ingot]

Wish i didnt have to have seen animals to wildshape into them. I want to be dinosar

[livid owl]

Oh that's a limitation on wild shape? I never knew

Desert born & raised druid sees a fish for the first time and boy it's a hoot

[languid ingot]

Brontosaurus is just out of my grasp…

[pale totem]

Hey DMs I have a quick question. Why does it seem like some DMs are severely hesitant to tell a player to change alignments from a good or neutral alignment to an evil alignment when a majority of a party does things like extortion and complete decimation of trading firms on seemingly frequent basis (almost every session) while ignoring the fact they're derailing the story?

[glass granite]

I’d imagine cuz it doesn’t matter to change alignment. It’s not probably the first thing on their mind.
Also, if they’re just allowing that then they need to be more responsible as the DM, bring it up if you’re the player.

Though, I’ve never experienced it myself

[languid ingot]

Actually perhaps this is a good thing because theres a beast that can move at 400ft and is immune to all damage that is also challenge 0

[livid owl]

Ultimate get away form

[pearl hedge]

so excited for my new campaign tomorrow morning

[glass granite]

Noice

[pearl hedge]

goodnight everyone

[limber trail]

Which beast is this?

[glass granite]

I assume homebrew

[languid ingot]

Onyx from acquisitions incorporated

[glass granite]

The what from where /j

[languid ingot]

Pretty sure acquisitions is official content

onyx is a giant cat

[limber trail]

It is but it's definitely one of the type of books that is less often used

[languid ingot]

aw even if i could be a dinosaur t rex is 2 CR too high for even a level 20 moon druid 😔

[fair summit]

Well specifically, from what I recall Onyx is a normal sized cat, from an adventure where the party is really really small
So the stat block is specific to the adventure / situation, and Onyx is a specific individual instead of a normal beast, so you reasonably wouldn't be able to wildshape into it 😛

[real epoch]

solid lore energy but kinda niche, not everyone vibes with it

[languid ingot]

ohhh ok, i havent actually played acquisitions incorporated i’ve just seen the statblock

[feral fulcrum]

Official, but also Shlocky nonsense most DM's would probably ban anyway.

[proper forum]

H u h

What are we even talking about now?

[languid ingot]

wait is shillelagh kinda useless on a monoclass druid past level 5

[knotty pasture]

Its a lot more situational yes

Spores Druid is probably the only class that sees consistent use of it

[harsh hollow]

I don't know about that, I've seen a decent number of Verdan in passing.

Granted other than Verdan and a handful of the spells I don't see a lot of it either.

[tender pier]

Would a DnD game based on the backrooms be a good idea?

[harsh hollow]

There'd be a fair bit of homebrew involved but I'm sure it's possible. It depends on how committed to the idea you are.

[tender pier]

Not just strictly to the backrooms, but combining an average DnD world with the Backrooms

I just need ideas on how the hell an entire planet got mixed with the backrooms

[tender pier]

(Also mean to be serious campaign, most of the time)

[real epoch]

absolute peak nightmare chaos energy endless hallways mind bending traps perfect DnD vibes

[upbeat ermine]

Roll to go through the same looking halls

[tender pier]

Idk if bringing actual backrooms factions from the backrooms wiki would make it better or worse

But I'm considering the idea of adding the MEG and other groups

[upbeat ermine]

Wait the backrooms is a faction based kind of thing? Ignore my snide comment.

[tender pier]

Oh you poor poor soul

To explain, ever since 2019 the backrooms has evolved from a singular level to a litteral uh

Let's say universe with its own factions

[upbeat ermine]

I'm kind of envisioning, what you are talking about.

[tender pier]

Also humans from different universes can come and go into the backrooms

[harsh hollow]

There's different floors with different monsters, it's gotten a bit out of control.

[tender pier]

Since allegedly the backrooms is the middle ground for connecting with other realities

[harsh hollow]

And then there are people who miss when it was just being trapped in an endless hallway with no way out.

[upbeat ermine]

In terms of mechanics, since isn't it samey labyrinths and mazes? I'd figure out a luck based mechanic on making progress, and items and abilities to help improve chances. While the monster or whatever is a ticking down clock, into very difficult combat, where the only chance is escape

[tender pier]

Uh... its WAY more than that

[upbeat ermine]

Huh, my comment was removed.

Well, Its a mechanical idea.

[tender pier]

If I were to explain it be way too long

And it would violate the rules I think

[upbeat ermine]

I just flagged by the rules just then.

[harsh hollow]

Yeah it's already something to the scope that it probably doesn't belong in general chat anymore.

[real epoch]

adding MEG and other groups could spice up chaos energy gives players allies AND more stuff to get terrified by

[tender pier]

I think this would make earth cannon

[harsh hollow]

I think it might be better in #homebrew or #dm-discussion depending on if you're making this to run it or just planning it out.

[upbeat ermine]

Translating other games or systems into DND mechanics should be within scope, plus its a fascinating thing to do.

[tender pier]

Along with the U.N ok now let's switch channels rn

[harsh hollow]

It's something you can do here but I think if they really want advice and tips there are probably more specific channels for that.

[upbeat ermine]

Well, I can't really help you cause I don't know the franchise. But I'm sure you will find help if you are looking for it in those channels.

[real epoch]

peak chaos energy Earth Cannon vibes unlocked

[tender pier]

Ok I request we switch channels

Since this is far from Reg DnD

[real epoch]

Is anything wrong we do?

[tender pier]

We are talking the backrooms in the DnD discussion channel

So let's go to other channels

[real epoch]

oh sorry Is it not allowed

[harsh hollow]

It's not bad, there's just more specific places for it. If you start unwrapping this whole thing the entire general chat will just be that.

[scenic sky]

if i want to multiclass do i just get the class like, if at lvl 3 i want to multiclass wizard do i just claim it or do i have to do something magic related before in order to do that

[real epoch]

ohh okay

[harsh hollow]

Technically you just have to add the level but a lot of tables will want you to do something to justify getting that new ability. It just depends.

Some tables don't let you multiclass at all even, it is an optional feature.

[scenic sky]

consider this is our 2nd campaign ever, so i assume the dm wont get mad if we do it the 1st way

[grand harness]

I just realised you can technically keep an air genasi in a bag of holding for a while. They have unlimited breath

[harsh hollow]

It's possible, just something to keep in mind.

[scenic sky]

yeah, thank you sm✌️

[harsh hollow]

For example a lot of people like to dip into Hexblade Warlock just for the power alone and some DMs will want you to justify that in-story because it's not just a cool sword. You have a patron now.

[scenic sky]

makes sense

[feral fulcrum]

I'm pretty sure that's just the Infinite Staircase.

[scenic sky]

it would make a bit sense if you had the noble backstory because nobles have access to lots of weapons

[tender pier]

It's... way more... than that
Factions, weapons, entities, levels etc too much to explain

Also go to homebrew if anyone wants to chat about my idea

[undone rain]

So what got you guys into dnd

[fervent kayak]

Hello I have a question dose anyone know what the average dmg for a 17TH level eldertich blast is

[fervent kayak]

Yes

[uneven girder]

i’m new to dnd and me and a few friends have wanted to try it out but we need a dm and we’d prefer to do an in person game any help on how to find one?

[cosmic roost]

Ready to play Dungeons & Dragons?

Visit #find-a-game for everything you need to start your search, including:

• Instructions for finding a game here on the server (including how to post in our #looking-for channels).
• Suggestions for finding a game outside of this server.
• Basic advice to help you in your hunt.

[feral fulcrum]

Local gamestores and the like, for In Person. Finding people interested in your area, is always easiest, when, well, actually looking in your area.

[uneven girder]

thanks brodie

i’ll fs give it a try this weekend

[grizzled lance]

Uwa so temperate

[tender pier]

The fact that DnD sessions can range from a average fantasy world

To doing the most unhinged shit as possible

Greatest game that mankind has ever invented

[still plover]

For an in-person game you're best off looking for boardgame shops, hobby shops, school groups, libraries and social sites like Facebook.

[wide pumice]

What idea do you want to discuss?

[tender pier]

Backrooms x DnD

[real epoch]

DnD really be going from basic tavern fantasy to absolute unhinged multiverse chaos in one campaign

[stark maple]

4 score and servered your soul ago

imma be honestly i could never see dnd backrooms working because once you become a high enough level almost nothing in there can actively threaten you

[tender pier]

The backrooms won't be the main threat

Other factions from my world will be taking advantage of the backrooms... just not soon though

[stark maple]

the humble minotaur being able to remember any maze its been through

[tender pier]

Fair

[grizzled lance]

Dr faust

[tender pier]

Though I doubt he will survive hundreds of entitled at once

Minotaur knows mazes but not the backrooms

And oh boy alot of stuff can haem that minotaur badly

[wide pumice]

Are you a player?

[tender pier]

dm to be specific

[stark maple]

the backrooms isnt much about the hundreds of enemies at once its all about survival and trying no to go insane while inside it and it most backrooms levels you will just find one big thing that has a lot of hp which a lot of dnd characters unless stripped of there powers and deal with pretty easily

for example level 0 is decently empty with the only threats being like a few eneties

[tender pier]

Alright thats fair, also I think we are getting derailed from the channels purpose

[reef copper]

Classic dnd discord railroading

[wide pumice]

OHh nice so what idea do you have in your mind?

[tender pier]

I'm currently in Homebrew channel rn so you can see there what's happening

I can't keep track of multiple channels at once

[restive blade]

hey guys, if you want to play as a twilight cleric in dnd beyond, can you only do that if you select the 2014 cleric or can you do that with a 2024 cleric too?

because i can't see the subclass if i use the 2024 rules

[grizzled lance]

It should be cross compatible

[restive blade]

oop. was looking at the divine order instead of subclass in the 2024 cleric lmao

ignore what i said!-

[noble pine]

As a dm how do I give either the player or monsters advantage/disavantage

[grizzled lance]

You don’t abilities/ certain situations do

[reef copper]

Usualy the classes have options for it, else there are help actions, optional flanking rules, spells like forsight and a lot more

[grizzled lance]

Prone can give advantage or disadvantage poison can give disadvantage stunned gives advantage

There’s also heroic inspiration

[reef copper]

Yes, one of the things you can do as a dm is make the party become rich enought to buy scrolls for enhance abillity for skill advantage or invisibility items for attack advantage

[grizzled lance]

But why would you do that when they can already do they

[reef copper]

what do you mean?

[restive blade]

cover also gives disadvantage/higher ac right? or am i misremembering that?

[grizzled lance]

Why use scroll of enhance ability when they can just cast enhance ability

[grizzled lance]

Cover only gives a bonus to ac

[reef copper]

well depending on campaign all players can cast it so you dont need casters, plus you might mbe low on spell slots and not want to risk running out

[grizzled lance]

+2 to half and +5 to three quarters

[reef copper]

Low on spells known too

[grizzled lance]

Non casters can’t use spell scrolls

[reef copper]

like i said, depending on campaign, i have heard a lot dont follow those rules

[grizzled lance]

shrug

But if a players needs/wants advantage it’s not super hard to get

[reef copper]

He asked for monsters too

[grizzled lance]

Knocking players prone

Monsters is too vast bruh

Plenty of monsters can give them selfs advantage

[reef copper]

Well you can in that case give a list of areas in wich you can get advantage/disadvanrage i mean

[lucid galleon]

im making a paladin fighter...is it better to go with the blessed warrior or should i just take the fighting style feat?

[restive blade]

what about full cover?

[grizzled lance]

Monsters (like players) tend to use ability like “if player gets hit by attack they are stunned” or “knocked prone”

[grizzled lance]

Enemy just can’t hurt you

[restive blade]

[grizzled lance]

Unless it’s destroyed

[reef copper]

Well they can still aoe you with for example fireball, but they cant hit on ac

[grizzled lance]

Not even fireball can hit you through full cover cause it can’t target you

[reef copper]

Fireball spreads around corners

[grizzled lance]

Not how that works..

[tender pier]

Anyone here got a good idea on how to instill fear and terror to my players using lore?

[reef copper]

Default D&D lore or campaign lore?

Usualy i would just make stakes tied to their background or future ambitions

[grizzled lance]

I’m just now starting to realize how broken old magic resistance used to be

[reef copper]

If you are tanking i would recommend defensive fighting style, if you need more spellcasting i would take blessed warrior, it realy depends on campaign and party composition

[grizzled lance]

Prostrate yourself

[reef copper]

):

[grizzled lance]

Spell scrolls are kinda useless In the grand scheme of things

[reef copper]

How so, it lets you bring more spells known and spellslots in practice. It depends on how difficult the campaign is offcorse but its a nice clutch save usualy to have a few

[grizzled lance]

They don’t use your spell casting and they are also pretty expensive to make

Making a cantrip scroll takes at least a day

[reef copper]

Well not all spells are equal when it comes to scrolls, i would mostly have things that dont need a save or attack roll, like healing, resurection, obsticles, teleportation etc

[humble cairn]

I find them useful for getting access to those niche spells that you would otherwise never prepare, and they're not that hard to get if you have the rigth Bastion.

Also, I had a bunch of scrolls of Absorb Elements created for me because I used that spell so much I thought I would stockpile and save spell slots.

[grizzled lance]

Again you can only use the spell scroll if it’s in your list otherwise it’s unintelligible

[reef copper]

Well if you are a caster you will have access to a lot of spells

[grizzled lance]

And for even a spell like revivfy would take a 1 week and 500gp

[reef copper]

You can also just buy them or possibly steal them from your enemies

[grizzled lance]

Not every enemies would just have a spell scroll on them

[humble cairn]

Which is great if you have the Bastion, it's a money sink because eventually you end up with so much money that you don't have anything to use it on and the Bastion will scribe those scrolls int he background while you adventure.

[tender pier]

Campaign lore

[grizzled lance]

Not every adventure has a bastion

Also doing any spell scroll above level 3 is just not worth it

[humble cairn]

Sure, but it's an option that every PC could have if the DM chooses. There's no class requirement or Skill requirement because the Bastion attendents have the Arcana Skill for you.

[grizzled lance]

That’s assuming you have access to one by that level which you most likely won’t

[humble cairn]

Yeah this is true, you're waiting so long for it to be created.

[reef copper]

I think most pc would value making a scroll that can save their life or an ally they are close to

[grizzled lance]

Only a spell that a cleric Druid or Paladin could use…

[humble cairn]

The likelihood is completely dependent on the DM, so if they want to give you one, you will get one.

[grizzled lance]

I’m talking about just making spell scrolls in general and how ehh it is even

[reef copper]

Do thease 3 not exist usualy to you? A party likely has atleast one of the 3 imo

[glass granite]

Can’t rangers also use it

[humble cairn]

Making it yourself depends on money and downtime, two things that are entirely DM granted. Maybe they want to run an adventure where you get months in between dungeon crawls.

[reef copper]

I can check

[grizzled lance]

Right so I could use 500gp and a week to cast it or 300gp

Interesting choice doctor

[humble cairn]

And using the Bastion to create it is just a more convenient way the DM can grant you the ability to make scrolls or whatever else.

[grizzled lance]

The only and I mean only advantage spell scrolls give you is the ability to:

1. Cast it without material components

[humble cairn]

I like the choice of being able to make thruth serums.

[restive blade]

do i need to give my elven character elvish? or is it just kinda understood they know how to speak their own language?

[glass granite]

Also no spell slot no?

[humble cairn]

You also save a spell slot. Which spell are we talking about?

[grizzled lance]

Ah yes lemme find a bastion in my cursed of strahd campaign

[grizzled lance]

I guess that’s decent

Still don’t think it’s a week long decent

[glass granite]

I mean I don’t think it’s usually worth it unless you’ve got the down time

Just saying it has some uses

[reef copper]

If you are rich i would always buy backup plans and safety nets

[grizzled lance]

Also the ranger would at level 5 wouldn’t be able to cast the spell scroll cause it’s not in there known spells yet

[humble cairn]

And down time and Bastions are all stuff that you could just .. get.

[humble cairn]

You can cast spells above the level you can normally cast with spell scrolls.

[grizzled lance]

You need to be rich and have a place to work for WEEKS on end

[humble cairn]

You just have to make a spellcasting roll.

[reef copper]

you dont need to craft them

[glass granite]

Arcana correct?

[grizzled lance]

Only if it’s on known spell list otherwise the scroll is unintelligible

[humble cairn]

No, it has to be on the class list.

[grizzled lance]

“If the spell is on your spell list but of a higher level then you can normally cast you make an ability check”

[grizzled lance]

I’m reading it and it says spell list

A Spell Scroll bears the words of a single spell, written in a mystical cipher. If the spell is on your spell list, you can read the scroll and cast its spell without Material components. Otherwise, the scroll is unintelligible.

[humble cairn]

Yes, this includes stuff that's on your class spell list and not in your actually known spells, but lemme find it for you.

[grizzled lance]

then why wouldn’t it just say “class list”

[glass granite]

I don’t believe “class list” is an official term, but I could be wrong

[grizzled lance]

I don’t either

[glass granite]

Which is why it wouldn’t say “class list”

[humble cairn]

I'm still looking for the text, but before that, in your reading what is a spell that is on your known list "but of a higher level then you can normally cast?"

[grizzled lance]

If it’s a 4th level fire ball or something

And your like level 5

[humble cairn]

Spell Scrolls do not have upcasted spells, so how would that be possible?

[grizzled lance]

I mean in the case that the spell scroll is 4th level and your a 5th level caster

Meaning you have acess to only 3rd level spell slots

[humble cairn]

So here's some support. A class has a spell list, but an individual character also has a spell list. It seems that the whole class spell list in included in the character's spell list.
"If a spell is on a class’s spell list, the class’s name appears in parentheses after the spell’s school of magic. Some features add a spell to a character’s spell list even if the character isn’t a member of a class in the parentheses."

"Known" spells is also only vaguely a thing, I think it applies to Cantrips, but not to anything of 1st level or above.

[grizzled lance]

Known spells are an entire class thing for some classes via bard sorcerer warlock etc

Known vs prepared

[humble cairn]

Ehh, in 2024 they all "prepare" them now.

Bit fo a change in terminology only, really.

[grizzled lance]

They can still only swap out one spell per level up so I still consider that to be known

[humble cairn]

I'm not finding the supporting text, but I'm 100% sure you can use a spell scroll to cast spells on your class list that are higher than you can know.

[humble cairn]

Right, but it's called "Prepared" now.

[grizzled lance]

RAW that doesn’t seem to be case

[humble cairn]

We can go ask on #rules if you want.

[grizzled lance]

It says it has to be on your spell list

[humble cairn]

In fact, I will ask.

[grizzled lance]

rather then “class” list

[stiff rock]

Mechanically how possible would it be to play a warlock but convince the rest of your group that you're a cleric? (In terms of how many spells cross over between the classes etc)

[reef copper]

Well spellwrought tatoos are quite good atleast

[noble pine]

Can players attack only once per turn or are there ways for them to have more then 1 action

[tidal bough]

If you run a divine warlock its easier but still the difference in spell slots is huge

[delicate owl]

There are features that allow the Attack action to be granted Extra Attacks, yes

[reef copper]

Most martials can, they have multi attack, there are also spells for multiattack

[tidal bough]

Players can take the attack action once per available action, and can take extra attacks after each attack action

[humble cairn]

Careful "Multiattack" and "Extra Attack" are specific game terms that are different.

[stiff rock]

the haste spell is the only other thing i know of (besides extra attack) that explicitly gives you another action

[tidal bough]

Extra attack doesnt give another action, it allows you to attack again a limited number of times after taking the attack action

[reef copper]

My b i sometime mix them up

[stiff rock]

yeah i meant besides that

[tidal bough]

Also action surge

[stiff rock]

forgot about action surge

[frail mural]

Gng, so... can anyone help me interpret some feats in one dnd?

[tidal bough]

Like?

[frail mural]

Specifically dual wielder and two weapon fighter

I've been playing DM for the past year and haven't made a character in a while

[tidal bough]

Wotc made these weird to interpret but yes go ahead

[grizzled lance]

I still don’t like how the worse legendary item I.E hammer of thunder bolts took 3 attunement slots

What was up with that

[noble pine]

One character just looking at it for higher level says I can attack 4 times during my attack attraction

[frail mural]

They work with two light weapons exclusively afaik

Enhanced Dual Wielding. When you take the Attack action on your turn and attack with a weapon that has the Light property, you can make one extra attack as a Bonus Action later on the same turn with a different weapon, which must be a Melee weapon that lacks the Two-Handed property. You don't add your ability modifier to the extra attack's damage unless that modifier is negative.

This means i can do THREE attacks? Or just two?

[grizzled lance]

That’s just regular dual wielding unless I’m reading it wrong

[stiff rock]

dual wielder gives you +1 ac if you have a melee weapon in either hand, it allows you to bonus action attack with your off-hand weapon even if it isn't light (so you can bonus action attack with an off-hand longsword for example), and allows you to draw or stow two weapons in one action

[tidal bough]

Assuming lvl 1

Only 2

Assuming you have the nick mastery on one of them, 3

[grizzled lance]

Yeah that’s just regular duel wielding

[frail mural]

That's 5e, not 2024 dude

[stiff rock]

my bad bruh

[frail mural]

Does that consume my B.A?

[grizzled lance]

Dual wielder is the same in both editions

[frail mural]

Dw bro

[tidal bough]

Using the dual Wielder attack, yes, using nick property, no

[humble cairn]

#dnd-rules message

[humble cairn]

A high level Fighter can have four attacks in their one Attack Action.

[grizzled lance]

That’s like 17th level

[frail mural]

Ok, so three attacks + bonus action got it. Adding twf:

When you make an extra attack as a result of using a weapon that has the Light property, you can add your ability modifier to the damage of that attack if you aren't already adding it to the damage.

This means all attacks have +mod damage right?

[grizzled lance]

Btw is echo knight in official class

[stiff rock]

if i'm reading the feat right, onednd's two weapon fighting allows you to add the ability modifier to the damage of your bonus action attack (where you usually can't without it)

so an offhand dagger would just be 1d4 damage unless you have two weapon fighting, where it's 1d4+dex with the feat

[exotic sinew]

What websites work well for online dnd on a tablet (eg dnd beyond,roll20) and if i join a campaign do I have to own the digital source book if I want to make a character not using the extremely limited free version??

[tidal bough]

Dual Wielder ba attack is separate from two weapon fighting ba to my understanding so you can bypass the attack limit as nick specifies the two weapon fighting once per turn not the dual Wielder one

[frail mural]

But that only works for an action, a lvl 5 fighter only gets 4 attacks with nick right?

And all weapons must be light?

[grizzled lance]

What is going on with the new dual wielder..?

[exotic sinew]

Nick is only once per turn if I read it correctly not on every attack

[tidal bough]

Yes to my understanding and assuming your wording is exactly RaW i believe so

[grizzled lance]

Isn’t that just normal dual wielding

[frail mural]

I copy pasted them

[grizzled lance]

I’m I missing something about dual wielding feat

[tidal bough]

Technically speaking a max of 6 because of action surge but yed

[grizzled lance]

Can’t characters just do that already or was it changed

[frail mural]

A.S gives you six?????

[exotic sinew]

Nick (Mastery). When you make the extra attack of the Light property, you can make it as part of the Attack action instead of as a Bonus Action. You can make this extra attack only once per turn.

@frail mural it's once per turn not on every attack

[frail mural]

That makes sense... but what if both weapons have nick? Normal and offhand? I can apply that twice, right?

[exotic sinew]

No

[grizzled lance]

What’s the difference between two weapon fighting and the Dual Wielder feat

[stiff rock]

they're different feats that do two different things

[tidal bough]

It gives you two because of extra attack at lvl 5 which happens everytime you take the attack action.

Since you are using action surge to regain your action and are using two actions to take the attack action, extra attack happens twice.

Then ba and nick is another 2 times for a total of 6

[humble cairn]

Dual wielding without any mastery or Feat uses the Light Weapon property in 2024, requiring you to make an attack with a Light weapon, triggering the ability to make another attack as a Bonus with a different Light Weapon.

The Nick Mastery enhances that by allowing that extra attack to be done as part of the Attack Action instead of taking a Bonus.

The Dual Wielder Feat enhances the original Light Weapon thing by granting a separate Bonus attack with a different weapon that doesn't have to be Light.

The Fighting Style enhances all of the above by allowing the triggered attacks to use your ability mod for damage, which none of them do by default.

[frail mural]

Both are separate feats, giving each own different stuff

[grizzled lance]

Two weapon fighting isn’t a feat :sob

It’s a thing every character can already do

[tidal bough]

Its a figting style

Fighting*

[frail mural]

Not the fighting style feat

[stiff rock]

it's a fighting style feat

[frail mural]

That's a fighter unique thing

[grizzled lance]

I mean the basic character action two weapon fighting

[frail mural]

Yeah, but we aren't talking about that

[stiff rock]

"two weapon fighting" is a feat, but any character can wield two weapons

[tidal bough]

Yes but also no, it can be gained by taking fighting initiate from expanded 2014 rules

[grizzled lance]

I’m asking what’s the difference

[stiff rock]

the feat lets you add your modifiers to the damage rolls of an offhand attack

[humble cairn]

Here you go: #dnd-discussion message

[frail mural]

The feat gives you bonus stuff for the dual wielding mechanic

Essentially it makes dual wielding better

[grizzled lance]

does it?

[exotic sinew]

@grizzled lance

Dual wieldimg

Enhanced Dual Wielding: When you take the Attack action on your turn and attack with a weapon that has the Light property, you can make one extra attack as a Bonus Action later on the same turn with a different weapon, which must be a Melee weapon that lacks the Two-Handed property. You don't add your ability modifier to the extra attack's damage unless that modifier is negative.

Quick Draw: You can draw or stow two weapons that lack the Two-Handed property when you would normally be able to draw or stow only one.

Two weapon fighting

When you make an extra attack as a result of using a weapon that has the Light property, you can add your ability modifier to the damage of that attack if you aren't already adding it to the damage.

[tidal bough]

Two weapon fighting in general allows for you to attack as a bonus action after making an attack if youre using light weapons for both attacks, however you do not add your weapons ability modifier to the ba attack.

The fighting style adds your weapons atk modifier to the bonus action

Damage that is*

[grizzled lance]

Ohhhh so it gives you the ability to not have to use two light weapons

Seems kinda meh compared to the old one

[humble cairn]

It does, but without Nick Mastery as well the benefits are minor, basically allowing you to make your Bonus Action attack with a non-Light weapon.

[frail mural]

Yeah...

Two-Weapon Fighting
Fighting Style Feat (Prerequisite: Fighting Style Feature)
When you make an extra attack as a result of using a weapon that has the Light property, you can add your ability modifier to the damage of that attack if you aren't already adding it to the damage.

Dual Wielder

Prerequisite: Level 4+, Strength or Dexterity 13+

You gain the following benefits.

Ability Score Increase. Increase your Strength or Dexterity score by 1, to a maximum of 20.

Enhanced Dual Wielding. When you take the Attack action on your turn and attack with a weapon that has the Light property, you can make one extra attack as a Bonus Action later on the same turn with a different weapon, which must be a Melee weapon that lacks the Two-Handed property. You don't add your ability modifier to the extra attack's damage unless that modifier is negative.

Quick Draw. You can draw or stow two weapons that lack the Two-Handed property when you would normally be able to draw or stow only one.

[grizzled lance]

So you could use for example a dagger and a rapier

[humble cairn]

If you have both Nick Mastery and the Dual Wielding Feat you get a total of two attacks above your standard number of attacks.

[tidal bough]

Effectively but its more beneficial to run two light weapons otherwise two weapon fighting doesnt add the modifier since it specifies it has to be light weapons

[humble cairn]

Which I like as someone who appreciates historical fighting styles.

[exotic sinew]

And you can make an extra attack with a Bonus Action

[frail mural]

I wanted to, but unfortunately the rapier isn't a light weapon, so im using two scimitars

[humble cairn]

Which you could have done without the Feat. But not with a non-Light weapon.

[grizzled lance]

You can use a dagger (light) and a rapier

[undone rain]

Wish i could do so from the getgo. Since rapier and dagger was historical and i love it

[exotic sinew]

Not with a non Light weapon

[undone rain]

Especially for a rogue

[grizzled lance]

If you have the feat it allows the off handed weapon to not be light

[tidal bough]

If you do that you dont add your modifier to the dmg of the ba

[frail mural]

Yeah but the rapier woudn't get a bonus to the attack since it isn't light

To trigger the ability you need to usd a light weapon, and to get the bonus to the second weapon you need the second one to be a light weapon too

So both need to be light

[humble cairn]

If you have the Mastery, the Feat, and the Fighting Style it does add up to quite a lot of potential damage.

[grizzled lance]

Then just pick up the fighting style

[tidal bough]

Thats not how it works

[humble cairn]

Unless you have the Dual Wielder Feat.

[grizzled lance]

Yeah the Dual wielder feat negates both of them needing to be light

[frail mural]

No, dual wielder only adds bonuses to light weapons

[humble cairn]

Dual Wielder 2024 allows the BA attack to be with a non-Light weapon.

[tidal bough]

No, two weapon fighting style is what adds the dmg modifier, the bonus only applies to light weapons