dnd-discussion

[thin siren]

that would be OP

[valid geyser]

In my head, I imagine monocultural species as a remnant of when d&d settings only considered a smaller and more isolated game world, or at least one where there’s less exchange of information
For example, if your game world is only a country’s size, and there’s only one big elven community, in that context that’d make some sense as a monoculture
But alas, most d&d worlds are at a continental and planet scale and are very cosmopolitan compared to the past

[lyric viper]

I feel like it's a little bit of a 'Thermian Argument' though.
Single pantheons for non humans is part of the monolithic culture issue, used to explain the monolithic culture issue.

Humans don't have monolithic creator deities.

[hot marlin]

That is indeed another thing to consider. Cultural drift is inevitable. Separate two communities for a few generations, there's a good chance their languages will stop being mutually intelligible

[jovial shadow]

I literally never heard the term Monocultural in my life.

[hot marlin]

But one of the primary purposes of religion remains cultural homogenization. Or however you spell that word

[sleek cloud]

D&D? Pretty cool game

[thin siren]

depends on surrounding areas and needs of each group,some might start developing "secret language" and arts.

[jovial shadow]

One of the most popular and longest running tactical games out there

[hot marlin]

Gods exist in D&D, that is a fact of most settings. And if a god calls first dibs on a given species and that claim is accepted by the other gods? It's not even a matter of creator deities

Humans indeed do not have monolothic creator deities, that much is true. But essentially, once you admit that a species has been created by a god in a D&D setting, people will know which god it is. It is not difficult to discover which god created your kind.

[burnt valley]

All gods exist except for the She-Who-Shall-Not-Be-Named that governs the weave

[hot marlin]

So as soon as a species has a creator god, or a divine origin even as a byproduct of that divine being, contact between that species and that god is simply inevitable. It just makes sense

Of course not. The god Shduahokn doesn't exist even in D&D. Because I just made it up by randomly rolling my head on my keyboard

[fluid ivy]

Is there a channel specific to DMs? I'm dipping my toe into that pool and was wondering if there was a resource for new DMs

[thin siren]

can a game be oriented on puzzles and crypts where there is research ongoing as game progresses to discover a "hidden" god/deity?

[hot marlin]

#dm-discussion

[hot marlin]

Yeah, sure. It is possible

[thin siren]

okay, cool. i might build smth but if i have time/to get invested enough.
game is huge.

[naive cedar]

What, Mystr-

[heavy fjord]

What do you think on the necromancer wizard subclzss un UA 2024 ?

[sleek cloud]

Not enough necks

[thin siren]

speaking of the topic at hand, Warhammer or DnD?
which one is in the "run" longer?
seems to me like both are,one more mythic, other more space-tech oriented. opposite sides of spectrum.

[naive cedar]

dnd predates warhammer by about a decade lol

[hot marlin]

First off: There are three Warhammers. Fantasy and 40K, and Age of Sigmar which is a continuation of Fantasy

[heavy fjord]

Im not english native so i dont know what necks means sorry 🙁

[naive cedar]

warhammer was also pretty clearly influenced by dnd

[burnt valley]

Trigger warning please

[blissful ibex]

it's a joke because neck sounds like the first part of necromancer

[serene jolt]

Anyone know if the Wand Lore Wizard (Griffin Saddlebag) is good/fun?

[hot marlin]

Warhammer should probably best be seen as a reaction to D&D. It takes the ideas of that D&D fantasy universe populated by all kinds of stuff, and then focuses not on individual heroes but on the politics and armies of the nations.

[heavy fjord]

Oh 😛

[prime basin]

I believe they were talking about warhammer fantasy, which is predated by dnd by about 9 years

[naive cedar]

found gale's account

[thin siren]

nah, just the one which was before the other.

[naive cedar]

warhammer also satirises a lot of the fantasy tropes that dnd popularised

[prime basin]

I mean it has a great focus on individual heroes, but they aren't usually adventurers and are instead like leaders of their nation or political leaders

[hot marlin]

Warhammer is naturally more political. It's not about the merry band of heroes entering the villain stronghold to defeat the villain like D&D, that would be completely out of theme. It's about the villain's stronghold being besieged by the army, the different generals, and the villain holding out until their forces come to attack the besieging forces.

[trim cradle]

For online campaigns is ddb or roll20 better?

[hot marlin]

Let me rephrase: The individual heroes may be a focus, but even they must work through politics and armies.

[prime basin]

Sure...except gotrek and felix

[naive cedar]

speaking of which i should play rogue trader

[thin siren]

how long have u been in dnd?
i unfortunately had no chance to give it a try so far.

[burnt valley]

Warhammer highkey a miserable setting to live in

[naive cedar]

which setting would suck harder to live in: warhammer (fantasy or 40k) or fallout?

[hot marlin]

Depends: Where do you live?

[thin siren]

oh god... war, war never changes

[naive cedar]

im imagining an average civilian of a large population centre

[burnt valley]

Death

[prime basin]

Of course...its even worse in 40k

[naive cedar]

war... has changed

[hot marlin]

Being a cleric of the Brotherhood of Steel is better than being a worker in a forge world when the orks attack. But being an imperial noble on a pleasure world is better than being an irradiated orphan starving to death in the desert

[prime basin]

as long as you aren't an american in fallout, for sure fallout

[heavy fjord]

Fallout in switzerland is a joke, everyone gets a personnal bunker 😛

[naive cedar]

canada:

[burnt valley]

Any setting that focuses on politics just feels grimdark

[naive cedar]

eh, which brotherhood of steel are you talking about?

[prime basin]

Bro's using made up words

[hot marlin]

Doesn't matter, if you're a high ranking cleric, you probably have it made

[naive cedar]

i dont exist ig /j

[naive cedar]

idk i wouldnt want to be in the fallout new vegas brotherhood

[hot marlin]

You get my point.

[halcyon forum]

yes, its very good

[naive cedar]

i have longed for a warhammer themed crpg

[naive cedar]

alright, ill stop being pedantic. i get the idea

[hot marlin]

Nobody lives in a setting, people live in the circumstances of their life. Life may be miserable in Warhammer 40K, but the life of an imperial noble on a pleasure world is better and more privileged than the life of anyone on planet earth's history.

[thin siren]

alright. thats enough lore for me for today. cheers 🖖

[halcyon forum]

its true there are nice places and situations in 40k, but the chance that you are living those lives is extremly slim

[naive cedar]

yeah exactly. the average person in 40k isnt having a fun time

[burnt valley]

How do you recreate a Servitor in dnd

[naive cedar]

on the other hand canada was annexed in fallout and may have been mostly blown up so idk if i would want to live in fallout

[halcyon forum]

and even being a noble comes with drawbacks (aka a lot of people are willing and able to take your spot by force or intrige)

[burnt valley]

Aren't most of them also corrupt?

[halcyon forum]

fallout sounds bad too

[naive cedar]

everyone is 40k is corrupt

[halcyon forum]

we mostly see the corrupt ones in the stories but presumably, some care to be effective rulers too

[prime basin]

Fallout is horrible and yet I would never choose to live in the 40k universe

[steep terrace]

So I have been working on a new campaign and I came up with an idea so DMS tell me if this is a good idea and players tell me if you think my friends will like this at the start you meet my friends best friends they end up going on an adventure with us at some time in the middle they fight a monster with my friends but the girl gets possessed although the players do not realise later on in the campaign the girl proposes to the other friend when he accepts the ring slowly without realising it it takes over him and turns into a powerful Demon

[minor cargo]

Sounds workable and a good place to start! I think you'd need a bit more detail about the problem. Because of course, the players are going to want to have their characters intervene. But I think if you start planning out that kind of stuff, you'll be well on your way!

[steep terrace]

Cool thanks this is my first time making a campaign

[rough basalt]

Ye it surprised me that there are actually worlds in 40k where people live nice lives, where their leader will defend them to their dying breath.

[halcyon forum]

its a million worlds in a highly feudalistic system. it only makes sense

[rough basalt]

That's true

Also considering that at least one of the Primarchs actually does want the Imperium to be better than it is

[halcyon forum]

though best case scenario for a human is probably to live under T'au rule

[rough basalt]

Ig that's what makes a Grimdark good tho, that it isn't all bad and not everyone is bad.
It's just most bad and a lot of people are.

[halcyon forum]

if everything is bad all the time, there is not much appeal

you gotta have some light so you can rage at its dying

[main maple]

What’s your favorite subclass to be as

[rough basalt]

Necrons probably had the coolest and saddest of the non-human lore to me.

[burnt valley]

Necrons are based

They have one of the coolest designs

[naive cedar]

What subclass would scout tf2 play

[rough basalt]

Scout Rogue

[halcyon forum]

the infinite and the divine is a fantastic novel, highly recommended btw. its about necrons mostly

[rough basalt]

Will check it out

[undone rain]

So whats the newest added classes

[halcyon forum]

artificer

[burnt valley]

Nahh Bard fits more for his fantasy

[undone rain]

Added in 5e i assume

[naive cedar]

Wait omg this is correct

[halcyon forum]

probably gonna add psion this year but its not confirmed

[naive cedar]

id like to see psion

[halcyon forum]

dnd beyond also has a few extra non-official classes

[burnt valley]

Scout's a wannabe ladies man back when he was still a mercenary

[halcyon forum]

yes

[undone rain]

Heavy would be a barbarian

[naive cedar]

is sniper a ranger?

[rough basalt]

This is a hard one.
I'd say has to be by class.
Bard - Swords
Cleric - Twilight
Druid - Land
Fighter - Battlemaster
Paladin - Devotion
Sorcerer - Aberrant Mind
Wizard - Evoker
The classes omitted I don't have a favorite sub for yet.

[burnt valley]

Gloomstalker Ranger definitely

Heavy would be the best roleplayer but he'd pick something simple like going Champion Fighter

[naive cedar]

spy is assassin rogue

[burnt valley]

Demoman would be Eldritch Knight but wastes all slots on Fireball

[naive cedar]

medic is death cleric

[burnt valley]

Or uses the team's gold to buy explosive barrels and alcohol for himself

[burnt valley]

He'd highkey would sabotage the party at some point

[white peak]

Sorry for interupt but I have quick question
Breath Weapon. Voucan use your action to exhale destructive energy. Your draconic ancestry determines the size, shape. and damage type of the exhalation.
Can we use this as long as the character race is dragonborn, no lv limit?

[naive cedar]

pyro is like. red dragon sorcerer

[burnt valley]

He'd be an Evoker or Draconic Sorcerer that focuses solely on fire spells

[lavish flame]

I'm pretty sure you can do that at level 1, so no level limit

[naive cedar]

can any class or subclass bunnyhop?

[burnt valley]

You used to be able to at TF2's release but was patched

[lavish flame]

note that there is a "how many times per day you can use this" limit though

[harsh hollow]

Harengon (the bunny species) can.

They have a species ability that lets them jump up to five times your proficiency bonus feet without provoking opportunity attacks as long as your speed isn't 0, proficiency bonus number of times a day.

[main maple]

Fire

[hearty marten]

Paladins- Pledge allegiance to a deity (angel, god, celestial, etc) for prowess in melee combat.
Warlocks- Sign their soul to a fiend (Demon, Devil, Imp, etc) to get magic powers.
PALADINS = WARLOCKS

Change my mind.

[dapper wigeon]

could I technically use plant growth on a teammate if they are a mushroom species

[hearty marten]

Maybe

[feral fulcrum]

Read the feature and it'll tell you how it works. It's not limited to levels. It does however have daily uses. As per usual in D&D, reading the thing clearly explains the thing 95% of the time. They've gotten their wordings very clear clut in the vast majority of cases.

[dapper wigeon]

maybe???

[hearty marten]

Depends on your DM

[dapper wigeon]

fair

[empty thicket]

For now i had tried
Ranger//Hunter (The extra damage feel nice and the lvl 11 volley have potential)
Fighter//Champion (the critics feel nice, close to the extra fighting style)
I want to try next Warlock or Rogue

[feral fulcrum]

I think Champion was poorly thought out. "Behold, Crit Fishing, the Subclass" Is not great game design.

[atomic kayak]

Not really. For one, Warlocks don't all have pacts with a fiend. And paladins don't need any sort of entity

Warlocks are more akin to clerics than anything else. But they are still different

[oak wasp]

the infinite and the divine is a fantastic novel, highly recommended btw. its about necrons mostly

[calm garnet]

From a player's perspective, what are your thoughts on sympathetic big bads?

[rough basalt]

A bit tired, but I probably wouldn't mind one here and there.

[feral fulcrum]

They're frequently done poorly (THough of my experience comes from Hollywood, a place chronically devoid of competence and basic understanding of how people work.), so I'm rather sick of the concept. It's possible to do it well, but the majority of times it just comes off as "Ignore the whole mass murder of innocents thing, he's just a widdle guy!"

[fair summit]

Overall I don't mind them, though they can sometimes feel like their sympathetic reasons are pushed too hard, and sometimes you just wanna beat up a clear bad guy 😛

[rough basalt]

"He may have slaughtered thousands but hey his mom died!"

[feral fulcrum]

"Your mom's name is Martha, so's mine! We're now best friends."

[calm garnet]

I am running my first one-shot as a dm on the 14th, and originally my BBEG was going to be sympathetic, but now I kinda want to make her evil for the sake of it. She was going to tear down and steal from the candy stop and kidnap the local mailman, because she never had anyone to spend it with, so nobody else should either.

Then I realized it felt too How the Grinch Stole Christmas, so I changed her to be evil for the sake of it, but then why that place and person (depending on which route the players take), especially as a fey.

[calm garnet]

Hey! I liked BvS

I might be one of the only ones, but still..

I can admit it was stupid though

Anyway, my point is.... Now I need a new motivator

[fair summit]

Yeah gonna be honest this definitely comess off more as a childish tantrum than a sympathetic motivation 😛

[calm garnet]

Which is really fitting for the charater

If yall have any ideas, feel free to share, I feel stuck

[minor cargo]

I think with sympathetic villains, it’s important for people to remember that empathy is not endorsement.

A person can empathize with a villain but still demand justice, retribution, restitution, etc.

[calm garnet]

A lot of sympathetic villains can, in some ways, feel childish, which is why I am trying to pull away from it.

[uncut zenith]

Right, you can understand why the villain is doing what they’re doing while also disagreeing with it

[feral fulcrum]

And unless you plan on having the Villian randomly monologue their sad backstory, it'd require the Players to care and investigate in the first place.

And one can only hear that Villian #375 was raised by bobcats and something something that's why he dresses like a Pharmacist and is an Artificer, so many times, before they tune that stuff out and skip straight to beating them up like an EXP pinata. (Why yes this was a completely uneeded Doofensmirtz reference.)

[calm garnet]

Not really, but if the PC does ask, I do need something. The players have been playing for YEARS, even one being a forever DM. I am doing a one-shot to give the Forever dm a break before the following week, when we go back to our regular campaign.

[buoyant oar]

Villains can also be Victims themselves

[rough basalt]

The boss casts "sympathetic flashback"

[calm garnet]

I thought my 10-year-old stepson was playing, which is why it is a run-of-the-mill one-shot, but then his mom wanted him for a birthday party or something, so the age rating can go from PG to NC-17 if I wanted, since he won't be there.

Look I have been writing essays all week for college, my brain is fried when it comes to typing. I hope that make sense

[calm cobalt]

hey guys how are you doing

[calm garnet]

Trying to come up with a reason a Fey would kidnap a mailman and break into the candy shop on Valentines day, and not the bank or one of the other shops and not make this sound like How the Fey Stole Valentine's day

[minor cargo]

Another way to look at it is to examine the themes of your story. Since your villain’s motivations at this point are a bit fluid, you can start with your campaign theme(s) and map it to a (anti)motivation for the villain.

[feral fulcrum]

I mean if they're Fey, they don't really need a motivation beyond. "Because they can. It's 'harmless' fun."

They're Fey, they're inherently oddball weirdos that run off different logic.

[calm garnet]

I forgot about Fey being Fey is 100% a motivation

Like I played a Fey last campaign, that was their motivation most of the time

Thank you

God, this Fey is gonna be hyped up on candy and sugar.

ADHD fey (but no coffee, coffee puts ADHD to sleep. Trust.)

[fresh salmon]

Hi im new in dyd and im speak spanish some one here can help me to find ppl who play this?

[idle oar]

Check #find-a-game to learn how to use our Looking For Game channels to find a group to play with

[pearl hedge]

hey all!! trying to choose a race for my new campaign, i know i'm going to be a rogue swashbuckler since the world in the campaign is like 90% water/underwater, just trying to decide a race

and someone's already a water genasi

[rough basalt]

Triton

[atomic kayak]

I'm not sure why you wouldn't also be able to be a water genasi if you wanted to

[rough basalt]

Sea Elf

[sleek cloud]

Sea elf 100%

[eager marsh]

Both of you being a water Genasi increases the chance you can be from the same town or even related for more roleplay opportunity

[jovial shadow]

An underwater campaign? I can see a session or two for something new, but for months on end?

[pearl hedge]

there's sparse parts of land but it's mostly underwater

there are underwater towns which are pressurized and oxygenated

[stiff rock]

Is there any anti-aging magic that exists in d&d? I know archdruids age 10x slower, but i mean like fountain of youth anti aging

[lavish flame]

between games like Subnautica and Abzû and movies like Water World and Black Panther 2, I can fully see a huge range of adventure that can be had entirely in water

[jovial shadow]

potions?

[pearl hedge]

not sure, but lots of races live for hundreds of years inherently

[lavish flame]

there was a Potion of Longevity which reduces your age by a few years

[stiff rock]

Trying to come up with why my lich is forever young (visually at least)

Potion of longevity works, thank youu

[lavish flame]

to my knowledge, it doesn't actually make you live longer though, the Potion of Longevity. Iirc it just makes you physically appear younger

[unborn geyser]

Im gonna try looking for another campagin since my main one rarely meets

Even though last time i tried it didn't work out at all

[karmic pendant]

Good luck

[harsh hollow]

Do liches even age once the process is complete?

Admittedly when I try to remember about liches all that comes to mind is how TAZ Balance handled them, other than being attached to a phylactery I don't remember much of how they work in DnD proper.

[lavish flame]

Liches are a kind of Undead mage that maintains life via their Spirit Jar. They need to feed the Spirit Jar souls every day. They are indeed a living corpse, so they don't usually look like a living person, they usually look like a zombie or skeleton in robes

[harsh hollow]

In that case I think I don't think an eternal youth potion would even help the asker then, I assume illusion magic would be a better route.

[lavish flame]

Oh and when they die and their Spirit Jar brings them back, it reconstitutes a new body for the Lich, so their appearence randomly gets shuffled

[harsh hollow]

Interesting. :O

[lyric tree]

I got a question yall, How would I even format creating a campaign

[prime pewter]

Ik I'm late but Sea Hexblood

[lavish flame]

The way that I do it is by splitting prep into a handful of documents that I flip through (I organize notes via Obsidian). I have a "Session Prep" file, a "Campaign Prep" file, and a "Session Recap" file. With these three files, I know the past, present, and future and can figure out what to add later

[lyric tree]

Thanks twin 🥹✌️

[feral fulcrum]

I wouldn't say lots. 5E went the route of "If your'e not an elf, you live as long as human." in the majority of species. They got fairly lazy about it.

[elfin scroll]

I really want to get into dnd but I don’t really know how to play and I can’t find a group to play with cuz I’m a beginner

[broken imp]

go to dnd beyond for the Basic Guide first to learn how to play, also check out #dnd-newcomers

[elfin scroll]

Alr tysm

[tame estuary]

maybe talk to sam about it?

[hushed mason]

Aquatic Elf

[tame estuary]

he loves it when players actually care about what they're playing

[short glade]

Do we have a place we can upload media somewhere in the server?

[jovial shadow]

Do you have a figure in mind (eg comic book, tv show etc.)?

[idle oar]

Check #channel-guide - please note the rules about no AI content and make sure what you post is appropriate and on-topic.

[knotty pasture]

Triton

[lavish flame]

Overall I find players prefer being secure with knowing the villain they're after is just Evil

[modern trout]

Sick pfp

[fossil hollow]

i really dont count on it. soe players will find random mill minions more sympathetic than the actual villian dependsing on the group

[modern trout]

I think a villain of any kind at all can work tbh just depends on how it's executed. There isn't one better than the other

[limber trail]

At the end of it, you need to give players a reason to want to bring a big bad down. Even if there's sympathetic elements there, you need to give players a good reason to eventually drop the sky on them or cut them into ribbons or some equally horrifying death

[tame estuary]

be flexible I guess

or be stern

if you're a DM and you present an NPC, you have to play with how the players react to the NPC, if they want to be nice to them then play with it, if they really don't trust them, then play into it

[hoary totem]

is life cleric still viable or is it completely outclassed by twilight

[calm garnet]

What do you mean?

I was talking in general

[fossil hollow]

its always been good

[tame estuary]

I think what players don't like is being told what to think and what to do, that's the opposite of what you want your game to be like

[hoary totem]

Ceroba Ketsukane (UTY), Asgore (Undertale), Grand Mother Silk (Silksong), ||Omori|| (Omori), Junko (Touhou 15)

[calm garnet]

Was snape a sympathic villain or was he childish?

To me, he was childish, but to others not. I think it is the view

[limber trail]

So I can't speak to most of those, but I will say, of the two games I know from there, the villains you mentioned aren't actually the big bads of the game - both have far darker & more sinister threats that actually oppose the sympathetic lesser villain (Flowey from undertale & The Void from Silksong)

[marble lion]

snape is a horrible example

because in some books he is childish and shallow while in others he is deep and sympathetic

because rowling doesnt do char development

its like the whole universe resets between each book tbh. shes not very good at that part
shes great at other stuff but not that part

as someone who spent 4 years listening to her audiobooks on repeat, i can say with confidence her char development skills are very very bad

snape is definitely sympathetic the further you go into the story though

[calm garnet]

But I was saying it would depend on perspective

[marble lion]

i dont think it does depend on perspective

lategame snape is not childish

[calm garnet]

Not for Snape, but sympathy in general.

[marble lion]

but damn early snape is horribly childish and comedically villainous

ah i see yeah there is sympathy involved

but with other things subjective, there is often a consensus reached that borders on the objective

is murdering people for pleasure evil? id say so. things being subjective isnt always relevant

[calm garnet]

Some people say, "Oh, he loved a woman he couldn't have. How sad" crying about it
Others say," Oh, he loved a woman he couldn't have. How sad," the way that one Loki meme is

[marble lion]

then both of those people didnt get what snapes story was about though

it was about him getting them killed accidentally

[calm garnet]

Breaking in to a woman's home to hold her corpse is kinda weird though

Anyway, we are getting off base

[marble lion]

i actually dont remember that part

[calm garnet]

I think it is a movie thing

[marble lion]

ok yeah subjective thing exists for sure

to make a sympathetic villain you kinda need to know how your players tick

but there are some things that will work with most people

[pearl hedge]

maybe yeah

[pearl hedge]

i might need to review my PHB 😅

[empty thicket]

Hi there, i would need some recommendation for a lil thing.
I am thinking of making a Survival campaign and im thinking of adding durability to either tools // weapons // armor
In tools im thinking of making like
X tool have X charges, doing This action make it use X charges, if proficient with that set of tools//kit you use less charges and can use a check roll, if success use lower charges of that tool.
Can re do it sometimes but will cost +1 charge of the item.
Nat20 make it not use charges

or depending of the DC

[stiff rock]

Don't most tool sets already have an amount of uses?

[fossil hollow]

no?

At most, its Healer's kit with 10 uses to stabilize

[lavish flame]

Admittedly, I wonder what is supposed to happen when a PC fails something like Lockpicking. Having a "durability" system might make it a little clearer idk

[fossil hollow]

i mean, its not always your picks break

[limber trail]

You lose time. Make a noise. A guard comes to check it out, something like that. An escalation of the situation as something worse happens.

[fossil hollow]

could just be the lock resets

[limber trail]

If there’s absolutely no tension on the roll because nothing bad will happen if they fail, and they can retry the roll after, it might be worth it just skipping the rolling and narrate them succeeding

[fossil hollow]

yeah, and just telling them how long it may have took

[small heath]

Question: how valuable it Truestrike in practice?

[fossil hollow]

wich version? 2014 or 2024

[small heath]

2024

[marble lion]

have you ever tried picking a lock?

i think there is a great insight here that might be cool if you go along with this

[fossil hollow]

tbf, McNally makes it look so easy

[marble lion]

this is a valid comment by the way, to be used at DMs discretion

[limber trail]

People have built around 2024 true strike to great effect. You can use it to do some good stuff in a melee caster build. As a general cantrip on most casters, it’s only fine and you have better options. If you aren’t building with it in mind I think there are better options - shocking grasp, firebolt, etc

[marble lion]

my point is, and you probably came across this yourself at some point, sometimes you try something and you just cant figure out how to do it

ive tried picking locks without any know-how as a child and i could have tried all night, i probably wouldnt have made it

because you need to understand the lock to a certain degree to open it, no matter how much time you have

unless you literally have so long that you learn how to lockpick it in that time frame

ever been in an exam where you just couldnt solve a question, no matter how long you spent on it? its like that

apart from that, as elephant said, time pressure or being noticed is usually the crux of lockpicking checks being limited

[limber trail]

That’s a technique id use a lot more sparingly. I’d only use that if there was a DC the player physically can’t beat - like a DC 30 with a +7 to their sleight of hand

[marble lion]

no i think its fine to use that approach whenever as long as its something that depends on ability

come back tomorrow and try again? maybe
but right now, youll just keep struggling

[limber trail]

Oh I see what you're saying now

[marble lion]

brains often get stuck. acknowledging that is fine

youre just gonna keep failing if you keep trying because you dont have that spark that makes it work right now

[limber trail]

You mean failing and narrating it that way after they've rolled - I misunderstood and thought you were describing a lockpick that is entirely unsolvable at all, without a roll

[marble lion]

oh yeah

im rationalising why players cant just repeat rolls infinitely

[fossil hollow]

DM lets them

[limber trail]

my mental frame is always, the first roll is the first ten minutes - a quick bit of work. If you don't crack it, the next roll is an hour, where you sit down with it and work at it over a short rest or something. If you still don't crack it, we're spending eight hours for each attempt thereafter or you need to hire out a specialist

[empty thicket]

Depend of the scenario, i would make it if its a too bad fail, throw a coin and if they loose it can break it or in this scenario of "item durability" lead to loose charges

[burnt valley]

can't you just break the damn thing

[tame estuary]

the dice rolls dictate the story

if you can't remember how to pick this specific lock type, you just can't for the day

[limber trail]

there'd also be rolls involved and that would definitely make a lot more noise and potentially damage something inside (if it's a lockbox)

[empty thicket]

Yep, they can find other ways to break the lock tho, melt it with some spell, use some other tools, break it directly, etc. etc.

I reward creativity inside of some limits, if they do it right and nice, i dont mind

[tame estuary]

the best players I've had flavors their failures themselves

so that the characters know that they can't just do it again

[empty thicket]

that would be lovely for them, but i understand not everybody want to explain their failure, i think its good to embrace the frustration better

[tame estuary]

failing a roll is part of the game

if you don't think that's fun, there's no use

and also like you're very likely to pass on a check you prompt yourself because you're picking something you're good at

[urban river]

imagine fighting a blind girl and she pulls out a cat who can cast inflict wounds

[mighty wharf]

I'm going to scribe a magic scroll with the entire bee movie script and see what my DM does with it when I use it.

I'm hoping for "flood of bees"

Buzzing to the tune of Ride of the Valkyries

[fossil hollow]

Wouldnt Flight of the Bumblebee be more Bee-fitting

[mighty wharf]

Yeah, but nobody in my party is going to know the name of that tune and understand that joke

[fossil hollow]

do it nonetheless

[severe rampart]

It can honestly become quite comedic when you look back at it

[main maple]

What’s the hottest class

[fossil hollow]

depends on your tastes

[main maple]

I like them high elves

[fossil hollow]

... thats not a class

[mighty wharf]

Tiefling Bard.

[river vector]

I didn't know "tiefling" was a class

[dim flicker]

is ddb down for anyone else?

[mighty wharf]

DnD players try not to be pedantic challenge: Impossible

[idle oar]

Seems to be up right now for me

[river vector]

You got me there!

But tiefling isn't a class... Lol

[dim flicker]

huh, seems i was logged out for an age verification update. i logged back in & its all good now, thanks for telling me how it is on ur end!!

[main maple]

High elf assassin is the hottest

[mighty wharf]

Dwarf Barbarian🗿

[limber trail]

theres a lot of species being thrown around here for a question about classes

[mighty wharf]

They obviously meant race

Or species or whatever you wanna call it.

[prime basin]

Drow rogue laughing at you rn

[heavy oxide]

warlock with mask of many faces

[severe rampart]

Drow Bards

Drow Paladins...

Mmm... Drows... and changelings

[heavy oxide]

AY CHILL

[severe rampart]

but really in DnD it's a spectrum, either full Drows or full Minotaurs

take your pick, but honestly a Ranger Minotaur aint half bad

[severe rampart]

I am chill, just itching to play my Drow Paladin

[marble lion]

highelf > drow

[severe rampart]

Blasphemy

[prime basin]

Factually incorrect

[marble lion]

the internet does love some purpleskinned leather people i guess

[severe rampart]

Changelings

[marble lion]

changelings have that infinite problem

[eager marsh]

Fire Goliaths chilling, knowing they're the hottest

[marble lion]

unless youre into the OG changeling appearance, its in that weird territory of not wanting them for who they really are

arguably, its an old discussion in fiction circles

[eager marsh]

it's like calling Mystique the most attractive X-man character because she can be anything. Because that's not actually her unless its her base form

[fossil hollow]

tsk tsk

[prime basin]

Idk i find the base changeling attractive

[severe rampart]

you get it

[lavish flame]

Wildfire Druids probably

[eager marsh]

you get a gold star

[versed nacelle]

well it's true, she can be anybody

also her base is pretty 🤷🏿

[eager marsh]

my point was her shapeshifting doesnt count for her attractiveness. liking her base form counts

[fiery perch]

Does anyone have a campaign with content share where they are sharing the DMG which I can join?

[fossil hollow]

its the only one that should count. Saying mystique is hot because she can transform is the shallowest thing ive heard

[tall forge]

I mean, that’s just all shapeshifters

You wouldnt really pick out any specific one

[versed nacelle]

Mystique is hot because she can transform.
😃

[prime pewter]

Guys how does one effectively use Enchantment Wizards Hypnotic Gaze?

(2014)

[eager marsh]

pick a big threatening target and lock them out of the fight with you until the side targets are dealt with

[lavish flame]

Tbh the main time I think I'd use it mostly involve stealth. Like "the guard is about to ring a bell to alert the keep we're here" and you use it to stop them from doing that

[prime pewter]

Yea, I wish you could like, issue a one word command to thek

[limber trail]

if only there was some kind of spell that could do that

maybe they could call it.... command or something

[prime pewter]

*That wizards dont get access to

[limber trail]

wait do wizards not get command? I could swear they do

[prime pewter]

They might in 24

[limber trail]

....huh, they do not

well damn, i thought they for sure had it

[prime pewter]

Anyways Enchantment wizard is fun

[eager marsh]

Wizards do not in fact get command. Bard/Paladin exclusive barring subclasses yea

[limber trail]

(And clerics)

[pearl hedge]

i'm pretty sure it's clerics sorcerers paladins and the like that get command

[eager marsh]

it's cleric? Huh, forgot

Sorcerer doesnt get command. draconic does

[pearl hedge]

knowledge and order domain clerics get it

[eager marsh]

doesn't count then. that's not a base class. that's a subclass exception. just saying cleric made it sound like they all get it

[pearl hedge]

oh, sorry i didn't know we were asking about base classes

[lavish flame]

Command is indeed on the Bard, Cleric, and Paladin spell lists in both 2014 and 2024

Knowledge and Order clerics get it always prepared

[limber trail]

They do get it. Those subclasses have it always prepared, but all clerics can have command

[remote wadi]

To give an example of the message above mine

All Clerics can prepare Cure Wounds, but a Life Cleric always has it prepared for free

As in, it won't count against how many prepared spells they have

[elfin lance]

Assuming I want to do something stupid can somebody explain to me how false life is cast inside the d&d world
because according to the players handbook the description says

bolstering yourself with a necromatic facsimile (an exact copy) of life

[tall forge]

Facsimile could also mean “replica” or “imitation”

Basically they use the same energies they use to animate dead to bolster themselves

Flavor wise, this could mean anything from meat armor, ghostly aura protecting you, actually boosting your physical abilities or giving yourself a minor healing factor temporarily

Thats all up to you

[elfin lance]

Assuming I want to do something stupid like Homebrew spells based on false life making temporary healing spells or give somebody a buff to constitution

Utility spells basically

[tall forge]

Temporary healing spells…?

Like… temp hp?

[elfin lance]

Yes

[tall forge]

If youre asking how to make that work in game theres literally no answer anyone but your dm can give you

[elfin lance]

DM told me just don't make it broken

[knotty pasture]

#homebrew can give good feedback

[tall forge]

Yeah giving a con buff is inherently kinda broken

[elfin lance]

I've only played a couple times and this is basically just going to be an ongoing idea for me

[tall forge]

If you want temp hp, false life already exists

[umbral girder]

Isn’t there a subclass for Warlocks that get command?

[elfin lance]

The fiend warlock

[urban river]

I was thinking of making a blind character who’s a chain warlock so she sees through her cat

Would it be problematic for my DM or no? I won’t try to power play

[humble cairn]

Generally I recommend against this.

[urban river]

cause it’s a challenge?

[humble cairn]

1. Mechanically way more annoying than is worth it
2. Can be insensitive to people with disabilities to use that as a character gimmick

[hushed mason]

I'm going to be honest; I'm completely ablist when it comes to adventuring. :/

[urban river]

1. is true

2. could be true, but there’s this character named Toph who’s blind but she’s still a really cool character

[humble cairn]

Give flavor and uniqueness with personality, don't use a disability as flavor.

[urban river]

It’s not the disability that makes them powerful it’s how they adapt

[humble cairn]

Toph and Daredevil are not really great examples of disabled characters because they have other senses that basically make them not disabled.

[quick drum]

Hello

[urban river]

Toph vs flyers or when she’s on sand/on a flying animal

Besides she also can’t read and write

[humble cairn]

My point still stands.

Anyway, do it if your DM and group consent, but you have my opinion.

[urban river]

Yeah

From my character if her cat is gone then she’ll be helpless for like an entire round.

[humble cairn]

It takes much longer than a round to resummon a familiar.

[urban river]

Pact of chain-

[humble cairn]

And it eats your Bonus Action every turn to see through their eyes.

[urban river]

That too.

And since she sees through the cat unless the cat is high up she can only see from a very short height.

[humble cairn]

Ahh, true. Hope you have 10gp of incense on you at all times.

[urban river]

Oh wow so you just wanna be annoying…

Alright then I guess I will, she would keep it considering it’s her ONLY WAY OF SEEING.

[humble cairn]

No? It's how the spell works.

[hushed mason]

Familiars used to be a lot more squishy.

[humble cairn]

Druids at level 2 get Find Familiar that also takes 1 Action and doesn't use Material components.

[urban river]

I already have like 2 druids in my party.

Well I gotta go now.

[small hatch]

Hello

[small hatch]

I’ve honestly never played DND before but I’m interested in learning

[humble cairn]

Check out #learn-to-play

[small hatch]

Alright, thank you!

[raven umbra]

if a character is a child would their size be small or medium?

[severe rampart]

Small

Small is 2-4ft

[raven umbra]

thank you

[severe rampart]

Also I am playing a child sorcerer, too obsessed with them now, I have 7 commisioned artists.

[humble cairn]

There are no rules for being a child. You can make a Small character and use being a child as the reason if you want, though I do know a lot of tables do not allow child characters.

[severe rampart]

yeah go ahead and ask the others first

[raven umbra]

mines a reborn child thats been around for longer than normal and a warlock bard multiclass, or at least my goal.

[timid current]

There are games built around children (kids on bikes) but dnd isn't really built around child characters.

[raven umbra]

well would reborn characters age? considering theyre undead or whatnot

[severe rampart]

just gotta make sure the group is cool with it beforehand, and to be careful with your actions.

[raven umbra]

and technically their mental age would be far greater because I would like them to at least live for several decades if not 200 years

[timid current]

Nothing in reborn says they don't age, so they age normally

[raven umbra]

ah that would make sense

[timid current]

Oh like one of those 9000 year old demons that looks like a kid

[humble cairn]

Technically they're Humanoid.

[raven umbra]

...........................i just wanted a childlike cultleader that hits hard

[humble cairn]

Which again is fine if the group consents first.

[raven umbra]

ofc ofc consent is key, that is if i can find one

[severe rampart]

hold on, is this Douma from Demon Slayer

[raven umbra]

nonono, got the general idea from the lamb from cult of the lamb

[severe rampart]

ahh, oh yeah, he's cute

[raven umbra]

eldritch cult leader lamb looking thing, who got cursed from a major incident in their past that bound a god to their soul, like mixing two liquids

[humble cairn]

What level is this supposed to be?

Because that's too much for a level 1 character's backstory.

[raven umbra]

eh since i cant play with groups or havent been able to i was shooting for level seven to get used to multiclassing

plus dnd is a fun way to character build

[hot marlin]

I'm not sure it's actually too much.

Being a cult leader does not require being more than level one. A commoner could be a cult leader, it only requires proficiency in persuasion

[raven umbra]

6 levels in warlock and the rest in bard

plus backstory doesnt really coincide with level

[humble cairn]

No, but there's stuff that just doesn't fit, though the degree is subjective.

[hot marlin]

But yes, in theory... If you character is a cult leader, why are you an adventurer?

[raven umbra]

like what to be specific?

my plan was to slowly influence people into the cult throughout a campaign if i ever got to join one

adventuring to gather a flock

[humble cairn]

"I was once a General to the Emperor and we conquered nations together" Yeah but why can you now be killed by a rat? Most justifications for that are fairly cheesy.

[raven umbra]

under the underlying desire to want to be liked and loved

[humble cairn]

Level 1 characters have a certain level of competency which doesn't fit characters that are too cool or powerful, and "I lost all my powers" storylines are cheesy to me.

[raven umbra]

my character doesnt fit any of that

my main goal with them is to delve into themes of regret, battling ones past and accepting a side of yourself

[humble cairn]

On top of that, I really feel like the coolest stuff should happen to your character after the backstory, in actual play. You're not meant to start a story so cool, you're meant to have cool adventures with the party.

[humble cairn]

Oh yeah, but you asked for an example.

[raven umbra]

oh crap yeah j did sorry.

[humble cairn]

"My soul is merged with a God" is kinda getting up there.

But level 7 is certainly much more room for that than level 1.

[raven umbra]

it more explains their pact magic

[hot marlin]

Adventuring is the worst way to gather a flock.

Normal cult leaders have functional tactics

[raven umbra]

a ritual gone wrong mixed their soul with a god and that god is now kinda a little worm in their brain

[raven umbra]

i havent thought that far ahead give me a break -_-

[humble cairn]

As your DM I would ask you, "Are you comfortable not knowing exactly what was merged into your soul? Can we leave that a bit of a mystery?"

[raven umbra]

well it could be more like a god in false disguise

[humble cairn]

Would you be comfortable not knowing exactly what it is? Like it could have told you it was a god, but you don't know?

[raven umbra]

my character has a knowledge of what they pretend to be which parallels to them with the faceless background

[severe rampart]

I just realized I've never made any last name for... any of my characters

[glass granite]

Any?

[raven umbra]

last names are legit weird tbh

[severe rampart]

Yeah, like zero of my characters have last names

[raven umbra]

theyre more descriptors for people when stuff got to big, like cities and nations

[humble cairn]

Not all people have last names. Sometimes they have nicknames, or Deed Names. Sometimes surnames come first.

[raven umbra]

thats why we have smith and miller

[humble cairn]

Occupation names are common, yes.

[severe rampart]

Well this time is different because my child sorcerer is a noble, so I'm probably gonna have to name the noble family...

[raven umbra]

or place names, like towns

[fierce trellis]

Characters who say the line "Do you know who i am?" at early levels from their background, makes my eye twitch.

[humble cairn]

Hubris is a legit Flaw.

[raven umbra]

maybe have their noble name be the place they rule

[humble cairn]

Yes, that makes sense.

[severe rampart]

probably won't be hard, noble family is around a dragon god, just make the last name related to dragons

[raven umbra]

makes sense

depending on the renown of the family maybe ask the dm to flavour in some encounters or interactions? it makes logical sense someone would know your family or whatnot

[severe rampart]

Snobby little kid

[raven umbra]

yeah thatll be fun to play with

in a good way

[fierce trellis]

To me, noble characters are kind eh... Like unless their family had some major downfall of something, what reason do they have to actually be an adventurer?

Seems difficult to character arc.

[junior spade]

Are there any creatures who's immune or resistant to force damage

[severe rampart]

I actually have a pretty good reason if I do say so myself

[hot gate]

Yes, but very few

[fierce trellis]

Amethyst Dragons. Seems to be a recurring one.

[wide pumice]

Ooo recurring dragons?? That’s when you know your brain has decided this is important lore now 😂

[raven umbra]

dragons are cool, i had an idea for a nation run by disguised dragons

[fierce trellis]

Lol. I mean recurring as they have the resistance/immunity across different sizes 😛

[raven umbra]

ministers of the nation, their hoards are what they control

[shut forum]

Just looking for general tips and advice for dming because I'm jumping from a table of 2 experienced players to 6 with 3 experienced and 3 have never played

[glass granite]

Communicate with your players
Respect your players
Put passion into the game
Don’t overprep
Expand your vocabulary
Show, not tell (and use descriptive language that talks into all senses)
Have fun, no stress, and COMMUNICATE
Have a session zero
You don’t write a story, your party lives through one. Don’t prepare tales, prepare scenarios.
Try to know more than your players
COMMUNICATE

[raven umbra]

PREACH YOU SOMEHOW LIVING NUGGET PREACH

[glass granite]

Additional tip, be patient with the newbies

[raven umbra]

if anyone doesnt know session zero its more a place to say boundries, detail characters and interactions and or get a lay of playing

[glass granite]

And encourage the other more experienced players to help them alongside you in session zero

[raven umbra]

yeah yeah THAT TOO, they need guidance not passive agressivenwss

[glass granite]

Being unfamiliar ain’t a crime

[covert juniper]

while on the topic i'd also like to ask for the same thing speaking as a DM whose campaign is yet to start around summer, about 10 members, 9 having little to no knowledge of DnD while 1 having simple knowledge. Oh yea and there's 2 DM's: me, the supposed "direct message" and my fellow Dungeon Mistress, she has also little to know knowledge on DnD and i used to be a player who had like simple knowledge on it 💔

[covert juniper]

-# holy yap 🥹

[glass granite]

My advice, split into two parties

[humble cairn]

My Noble went adventuring to avoid family responsibility. Like being married of to steal an alliance.

[glass granite]

HAH this is yap the server WELCOME

[raven umbra]

holy crepes NINE

no wait TEN

[fierce trellis]

Has anyone run into the '-I'm going to do everything in my power to kill you including changing the bosses mid battle-' DM's?

[harsh wedge]

What y'all think of this flying feature rework.
You gain a flying speed equal to your walking, while out of combat you can stay in the air a number of minutes equal to your CON modifier, while in combat you can stay in the air a number of turns equal to you CON modifier. After the time/turns run out you can glide down to half your flying speed before plummeting down. You must rest an equal amount spent flying before you can use this feature again.

[glass granite]

I haven’t

[knotty pasture]

Yeah definitely split into two parties, 10 person games is way too difficult to coordinate even with 2 people

[covert juniper]

actually that'd be wonderful, considering our homebrew is roughly inspired by LOTM, half of our members are at a low hierarchy

[fierce trellis]

It ended up with like 10 attacks.

[glass granite]

I’m DM’ing for 8 players and believe me when I say I do NOT recommend it

[knotty pasture]

Let's say if a session lasts for 3 hours, everyone's having 18 mins screen time at most while scrolling their phones for at least 2.5 hours

[raven umbra]

THE SCHEDUALING MUST BE HELLISH

[fierce trellis]

Ate and swallowed almost the entire party in one round

[limber trail]

I love noble adventurers when the adventure accounts for them. I one day wanna run an all nobles / all high society campaign where everyone comes from noble families, or positions of power and station. some of the most fun setups for characters, especially in groups good with roleplay

[covert juniper]

I'm planning for my party to encounter this, they've got like 5, maybe more people they've gotta face before meeting the big boss who holds their answers

[glass granite]

Absolutely

[covert juniper]

-# me and my fellow DM will be DM'ing for 10... 💔

[limber trail]

I DM'd for 5 and that alone was too many players, had to drop down to 4 for scheduling reasons

[glass granite]

I’m doing it alone :D

[covert juniper]

that is not anything i expected to read

[glass granite]

I find 5 or 4 to be my preference

[knotty pasture]

I think 4-6 players is the sweet spot

[raven umbra]

my like 50 yr old dad is wanting to start dnd, its kinda cute tbh

[covert juniper]

oh dear mother goddess/ref 💔

[raven umbra]

and he bought a valentines themed oneshot toooo

[limber trail]

I wish I could DM for 5 but I don't want to go through the scheduling issues, and at this point the campaign is too far underway to want to add new players. Plus I don't need more

[covert juniper]

awe that's sweet, mine is trying to understand how it works so we can talk about something, but he struggles to understand when i explain

[glass granite]

You have two DM’s and 5 players, I highly recommend splitting into two groups of 5. Have them be in the same world and have the ability to influence each other if you wish.

[raven umbra]

yeah

[covert juniper]

talking nugget, i wish you glory

[glass granite]

“Make believe with rules” is a simplification

[fierce trellis]

Not to mention the time before that members of the party had their Max HP reduced by 80% from damage from a dozen Death Knights

[raven umbra]

i mean unless you want to make your life annoying

[covert juniper]

who was your DM, voldemort?? omd

[wide pumice]

Ahhh gotcha that makes way more sense. So they’re basically the consistent tank dragons no matter the size love it. That kind of design is honestly smart too gives them a signature feel across your world without needing to explain it every time. Lowkey satisfying for readers who notice the pattern 😏

[raven umbra]

scales are scales

[fierce trellis]

Every monster that was large or more had the swallow mechanic

[raven umbra]

NO WAIT NO

that sounds so bad

[glass granite]

-# also a heads up before it gets excessive, using full cap locks for extended messages is discouraged. Haven’t done anything wrong so far tho.

[covert juniper]

-# i'm gonna add this to my campaign: "you get swallowed" "by what?" "existence" "what...???"

[fierce trellis]

I survived about a 3-4 months of sessions before I just had to throw hands.

It was actually impressive that we survived

Especially since nobody was allowed to buy items besides Scrolls and potions with gold

[raven umbra]

i normally do it to stress a message, as i have difficulties understanding even my own texting

[glass granite]

Sounds like a cool eldritch abomination idea, an abomination of gluttony and absorption who is trying to devour the concept of existence.

[raven umbra]

what about spell components???

[fierce trellis]

Yes that was allocated for

But that's it really. You lived by the drops.

The casters carried hard

[raven umbra]

daaamn, did you also have to deal with food?

or weight

[fierce trellis]

Nah thankfully

[raven umbra]

thank the gods

[fierce trellis]

But we went through Walls of Force like crazy just trying to survive

[raven umbra]

lol

[fierce trellis]

It became more of an Strategy game than roleplay by the time I gave up.

[hardy bobcat]

Dozen Death Knights!? That’s too many

[fierce trellis]

All with Hellfire Orbs and swords that caused necrotic damage to reduce your max hp by that damage

So... Super DK's

They were probably 25 CR each.

We were level 16.

[raven umbra]

does your dm hate you or something

[hardy bobcat]

Damn… I’d just have one or two as boss encounters, not TWELVE!

[raven umbra]

was one of yall a murder hobo

[fierce trellis]

Oh... Those were just mobs

[severe rampart]

oh y'all were level 16?

[fierce trellis]

Ya

[hardy bobcat]

The party got sent to hell to punish him and their DM is Asmodeus

[raven umbra]

heh

wh, my brain isnt this smart

[fierce trellis]

We didn't even kill the boss. We ran for our lives

[severe rampart]

wise choice

[hot gate]

Death Knights are CR 17. At that level, this is something you could actually throw at people. Level 16 characters are really powerful. Just not 12 of them

[raven umbra]

id hide in the walls like a rat

[fierce trellis]

She summoned an ancient lunar dragon for funsies

[raven umbra]

FOR FUNSIES

oh my gods

[hardy bobcat]

The party is sent to the Hells as punishment for the murderhobo. Their DM is the judge of the Hells.

[raven umbra]

a h makes sense

[fierce trellis]

Then we silenced her, put up a wall of force for the 5th time and ran down deeper.

Dragon couldn't hear her commands and almost got crushed lmao

[raven umbra]

it would make more sense to be a punisher of the hells than a judge for this tho, right?

[severe rampart]

the Judge and Executioner then

[fierce trellis]

I didn't speak up because I wasn't sure if the Vecna: Eve of Ruin campaign was meant to be like that

[raven umbra]

that feels toxic tbh

the group shouldnt suffer for the sins of the indivudal

[fierce trellis]

It hurt to leave because they were a good group, but I was losing my sanity.

[hardy bobcat]

Damn, the party catching punishment strays

[hardy bobcat]

Man, that must have been painful

[raven umbra]

i hate the concept of being punished when someone else does stuff, like I didnt do anything!! why am i getting punished

[fierce trellis]

Punished for what? Existing?

[fierce trellis]

They weren't CR 17. They were buffed to the max.

[hot gate]

ah

[limber trail]

at level 16 you could maybe send four death knights at a party, but I wouldn't. Way too many LAs and LRs to track

[raven umbra]

what are La and Lr

[fierce trellis]

The last session I had, we nudged 3 mysterious chests with dispell magic. It summoned 8 of them.

[limber trail]

legendary actions and resistances

[raven umbra]

a h

maybe make them all one thing with like parts as action pieces

like parts to a whole, they all have a single healthpool

[feral fulcrum]

Collective Punishment breeds only resentment, and promotes infighting. It's why the Military loves it. It makes the recruits self-regulate (Via abuse and social pressure. It's great. Sarcasm)

[raven umbra]

schools do it to, which sucks horribly

[limber trail]

It's place in more real world contexts...... is a debate for later. In ttrpgs? it sucks.

[raven umbra]

mhm mhm

well for like association punishment via role playing maybe

a partymembers bad deeds or whatnot makes the whole party bad by association

[reef copper]

Tbh a redemption arc from a injust punishment could be fun too

[raven umbra]

yeah!

[karmic oyster]

Random question for everyone.

Which one does anyone prefer?

Wild West D&D
Or
CyberPunk D&D
Or
Classic, High Fantasy D&D

[fierce trellis]

Even four of these were horrifying.

They get their turn. Throw 4 Hellfire Orbs. They go around corners, so no hiding. They explode. That's four x 21 Dex saves.

70 damage each. Everyone rolls con saves to see if the 35 necrotic damage reduces their Max HP by that amount until a long rest

[reef copper]

High fantasy, wild west, cyberpunkt.

[limber trail]

oh god yeah those are aggressively buffed

[raven umbra]

any tbh, settings are a vessel for story and interaction but my main one is high or low fantasy

[stuck shuttle]

Classical High Fantasy. There are other TTRPGs that fulfill the other genres better

[karmic oyster]

Ight, bet. Thanks! Just taking a poll

[glass granite]

I like me some high fantasy

[limber trail]

For D&D, classic high fantasy. If I wanted cyberpunk or wild western, I'd turn to another system

[fierce trellis]

Ja. One poor soul went from 120 HP to 20 max health in one turn.

[limber trail]

actually no, that is about accurate. The only changes are the necrotic damage losing max HP, and going around corners

losing max HP is real rough though

they do have an ability that does that but it's a single target legendary action and the DCs are too high

that's some jank homebrew from enemies that don't need a buff lol

[fierce trellis]

We were supposed to be running 2014 rules.

[raven umbra]

its been two years and i forgot dnd changed rules

more by the fact that i stepped from playing until my dad got into it

well not playing more player crafting

[feral fulcrum]

The rules didn't really change so much as update slightly.

[fierce trellis]

But yeh, it wasn't legardary actions. All Necro damage they did did that.

[feral fulcrum]

And for the better for the most part.

[limber trail]

jank homebrew. I assume it was an unwinnable encounter you guys ran from?

[fierce trellis]

Oh no.. they turned up everywhere.

[feral fulcrum]

Sounds like the DM was actively trying to kill the group.

[fierce trellis]

We nudged a chest, two sessions into the next chapter. It summoned 8

[raven umbra]

it was punishment, and not the good kind

[fierce trellis]

For what? Meta-gaming?

[raven umbra]

torment, retribution, which is good in manageable pieces

[limber trail]

I say that because, I do not understand how you would win against these enemies otherwise if they have been buffed to that level, which means the DM was either willingly misplaying enemies that have been super buffed, or it they just aren't good at playing stat blocks

[raven umbra]

say the players are killing all they see, make the next npc a disguised dragon

[fierce trellis]

Yeh, we did nothing like that.

[glass granite]

Personally I prefer to just jump them with guards

[fierce trellis]

It just got progressively worse with each encounter we survived.

[raven umbra]

exponential or linear?

[limber trail]

I find if you build a world with consistent internal worldbuilding where level scaling makes sense, you will always have enemies who can kill your murderhobo PCs

[glass granite]

Indeed

[fierce trellis]

Exponential I think.

[limber trail]

Any world where level 6 adventurers are running around expected to follow the law is one where there's a level 10 task force of guards out there to kill those level 6 adventurers

I like the idea that there is always a bigger fish

[raven umbra]

can believe geometry comes in handy

[feral fulcrum]

Or have a discussion with the players about why they're randomly murdering people constantly, in a Cooperative Roleplaying game.

[raven umbra]

yeah like

[limber trail]

level 20 murderhobos win a special prize of meeting god

[raven umbra]

YEAH

to both of those

[fierce trellis]

We stepped out of the portal on the start of a chapter and was immediately set on by a kraken for choosing to help the people. xD

[limber trail]

I find it so interesting what different groups call different "sections"

[raven umbra]

the dm hates you

[limber trail]

of course official modules use chapter, I originally started using arc but my group has recently adopted the term "Act"

[raven umbra]

Acts sound so nice

chapters are like in a book, Arc are anime, but Acts, theyre plays

[feral fulcrum]

I think the DM was either actively trying to kill the whole group, or just really, really, really bad with statblocks and trying to Challenge the group.

[raven umbra]

and plays are so fitting with how DnD Functions

[limber trail]

It was real satisfying to see one of my players finish their in character notes and write "END OF ACT 1". That solidified it for me.

[fierce trellis]

Yeh the kraken was the one that ended up with like 8 attacks... For each tentacle.

[raven umbra]

WHY

[limber trail]

I'm always for some homebrew enemies but like

why homebrew a kraken. that's literally right there. it can already kill level 16 PCs.

[raven umbra]

an attack is something that can be done in six seconds, eight flails of the tentacles is TOO MUCH

[feral fulcrum]

I consider Acts to be parts of an entire arc. Ended only when a whole ordeal is settled. My 3 year long campaign so far is on it's Third Act.

[fierce trellis]

Not to mention it came back to life with a LR

[raven umbra]

...

[fierce trellis]

With 200 hp

[limber trail]

You're just making it worse on everyone because now you need to misplay this way too strong stat block to let the party have a chance

[feral fulcrum]

Well it is a Kraken, it's got lots of tentacles.

[raven umbra]

i, wh, wair, hwy, WHY

[fierce trellis]

It was nice enough to spit out half the party tho.

[limber trail]

a legendary action? I know some creatures have mythic actions which can function like this but not legendary actions

[raven umbra]

you can HAVE a strong monster fight the party but give like an obvious out, some weakness to exploit or a deus ex machina when theyre about to die

[covert juniper]

this is like the bare minimum

[limber trail]

this is kinda the issue. Because the creature is so strong, the DM needs to nerf it by making it do stupid things to give the party even a remote chance at winning.

[covert juniper]

atleast have the kraken be a DC that the party can tackle without it being too easy 💔

[raven umbra]

also why have it die to bring it back

[hot marlin]

How? You can't take actions, even legendary actions, when you're dead.

[fierce trellis]

I had to use every trick I knew.
I ended up killing it with Incendiary Cloud and kiting it.

[raven umbra]

that kills the hype, killing an unkillable just to bring it back makes no sense, maybe have it slink away for later use but just Whyyyyyy

[raven umbra]

plus every reviving spell kicks you back to like one health i think

correct me if im wrong

[feral fulcrum]

Legendary Actions function vastly different from spells, I'll note.

[fierce trellis]

I had to end one encounter with Reverse Gravity. I think that pissed him off a bit.

[raven umbra]

but from a gameplay perspective it makes no sense

[feral fulcrum]

And the highest level Reviving spells bring you back at full HP IIRC.

[raven umbra]

it just baffels me

IIRC?

[feral fulcrum]

if I Recall Correctly.

[severe rampart]

if I recall correctly

[raven umbra]

ah

[fierce trellis]

I wonder if it was me that ticked him off actually...

[raven umbra]

nein nein dont blame yourself

[feral fulcrum]

Yeah sounds like he was just trying to actively kill the group.

[limber trail]

if your DM is mad at you for winning encounters with the spells you have that's not your fault, they sound like a kinda lousy DM

[raven umbra]

ps i dont speak german i just have this weird obsession with saying nein instead of no

[limber trail]

ja ofc

[raven umbra]

id say toxic dm

they probably didnt like how y'all handeled their perfectly planned encounters

[limber trail]

I think a DM should A) design every encounter for the players to win and then B) play every encounter trying their absolute hardest to win

this DM sounds like they're doing the opposite

[fierce trellis]

Yeh. Well it's over.

I don't get the sense he hated the party, maybe he thought it was fun being so heavily challenged. Just nobody told him otherwise

But that wasn't for me.

[covert juniper]

your DM was sadist

[raven umbra]

lmao

[fierce trellis]

🤣

Sadist probably

[raven umbra]

my idea of encounter is plan a main goal, maybe to win maybe to display a bbegs power before they finally finish them off

[fierce trellis]

He did sound a bit too happy when it was the enemies turn.

To wreck us

[hot gate]

I don't think every encounter needs to be winnable, but if that is the case, the DM should give enough hints and foreshadowing for there to be a clear strategy of how to deal with it.

[raven umbra]

never plan for a tpk, maybe a challange causes one or more to die but never tpk, and hopefully not the one that knows revivify or ressurection

[hot gate]

That does sound a bit adversarial

[limber trail]

To be fair as the DM, the enemy’s turn is when you get to play

[covert juniper]

i smell the essence of an "edgelord player turned DM" aura/hj

[raven umbra]

euughh

my brain is mush, like a potatoe thats been baked

i would love to pull up as a dm with a leather suitcase that turns into a dm screen

[severe rampart]

me too, I got a DnD session in 6 and a half hours meanwhile I'm juggling 3 final projects

[raven umbra]

or one of those old medicine bags

i got to graduate early

[fierce trellis]

I cram three sessions into one day. Because I'm an addict now

[raven umbra]

JE BUS

cripes

thats six hours of roleplay if each are two

[covert juniper]

me and my fellow DM havent even started campaign, we've been planning for 2 months

[fierce trellis]

Nine

[raven umbra]

thats too much roleplay

WHYYYY

[limber trail]

Gotta love the month of pre campaign planning

[raven umbra]

session zero takes a year

[fierce trellis]

It works out because my last character isn't too smart and the joke is they barely pays attention to anything but killing stuff. xD

Because my brain is fried by that time.

[raven umbra]

that, makes sense? but make sure to not murder hobo

[fierce trellis]

Oh no. They just kill on command.

[raven umbra]

maybe give them the torbek feature with a sophisticated inner voice, i love that

[fierce trellis]

Attempts at diplomacy over?
Good. Smashie smashie

[covert juniper]

we've settled on practice session disguesed as side quest session where we just have members do commissions for npcs inorder to get money

[raven umbra]

irl freelancer in dnd

[covert juniper]

we're like speed preparing as much as we can cause we estimated to make sure we end our campaign before we all switch schools

[raven umbra]

whats next, painting a villagers fursona for 1 gp?

[covert juniper]

my messages are sending so slowly 💔

[covert juniper]

suggesting this to my fellow DM for approval

[raven umbra]

HAAHAHAA

i suggest it takes one hour and paint supplies, and the more hours the more its worth

[covert juniper]

i await a response

as funny as your suggestion is, we have different ideas of commission 🥹

[raven umbra]

max of like 50 gp maybe? or maybe 100

lmao

[covert juniper]

in our homebrew, we're mixing it with a novel, Lord of Mysteries, and so commissions are to earn stuff, like gold or ingredients or recipes to ascend the hierarchy in lotm

[raven umbra]

a h

honestly making like small wooden toys would be easy small cash

only need an axe and like witling tools

[covert juniper]

but hey it'd be real funny if a human npc ask one of our satyrs or damphyrs "hey could you draw me as one of your kind?"

[raven umbra]

plus a forest. also that but owl bear

[covert juniper]

this reminded me i suggested to my fellow DM "how bout a grandma asking the party to do her groceries at the local farm"

[raven umbra]

or maybe doing a cleaning service, interpreted however you might, maybe throw at first a couple actual ones and then a mafia one.

they find the mafia one by a second hand source, not anything offical, after theyve been called decent cleaners

[covert juniper]

or even beter: mafia asking for a regular cleanup service

[raven umbra]

does nothing come from not anything? 3am thoughts guys

[covert juniper]

oh dear

another thing to ponder and ask the ceiling

[humble cairn]

Highly philosophical question. None of us know what "nothing" could be anyway. We've never seen or experienced it.

[raven umbra]

i get those tiktoks about what words sounded like in older english languages and they have like a post fix for certian ones, so those might be what they used to discern what those things were

[covert juniper]

well, nothing is more like a concept, something that exists to describe and represent the lack of existence

[humble cairn]

Heh. Also probably off topic.

[raven umbra]

also son in the proto english stuffs is nothing like the other familial words

ope sorry im just really tired

[humble cairn]

I'm currently learning Thai, but I don't think I can speak well enough to play D&D in it, yet.

[raven umbra]

but also maybe elves preserve old languages they learn

[humble cairn]

I have found a tabletop group in Bangkok, but the FB group is in Thai, so I don't know if they can play with someone who mainly speaks English.

[raven umbra]

like you find an old elf that speaks like your great grandfather

imagine you find someone speaking like an old new york ganstar with pointy ears

because thats how they learned common

OMG elves speak so differently in common because they know old dialects of it

[covert juniper]

speaking of elves, i was on a whole racket trying not to make majority of my parties oc description "racist," idk how much context this needs

[humble cairn]

More than this.

[raven umbra]

i mean racisim is inherently human to some degree, more othering than racism though. we normally find escape goats or someone or something to blame for our misguidings it could be gods or devils or spirits or even other humans. easier than thinking we did anything wrong ourselves

[broken fractal]

If at lv5 I got extra attack does that mean I can use 2 cantrips?

[humble cairn]

No

[raven umbra]

unless you get a feat

according to 2014 i think, there might be a feat that lets you use something as a spell

[humble cairn]

Which would not be Extra Attack related.

[broken fractal]

Alr thanks

[raven umbra]

No wait Its reaction, my bad

theres a feat that lets you use your reaction action to cast a spell

[covert juniper]

it started with one of the members, his sister knows how to play DnD so he gets knowledge from her, but anyways. He makes his character this reaallly REALLY old elf who's a veteran, the elf race WAS great but old gramps doesn't realize they're practically washed out. He always says "all hail the elder fey/elf," Utterly racist to all the members (except one of the members who is in the barbarian class, gramps is intimidated by barbarians, so that's like another story)

[humble cairn]

Maybe sleep time?

[raven umbra]

nein this is rhe first time i feel i have friends

[covert juniper]

awe

[raven umbra]

in like over a year

[humble cairn]

This channel will still be here when you wake up.

[raven umbra]

uhhh maybe

maybe not idk, also i have severe fomo

if thats a word people even use anymore

[knotty pasture]

It is still

[raven umbra]

thank gods

[humble cairn]

Trust me, sleep is more important. There are reocurring conversations in this server, you won't miss much.

[raven umbra]

sighhhhhhhh, good night i feel the passing out occuring

[humble cairn]

Doesn't sound like a server for me, I prefer there to be community rules like in this server. Makes me feel safer.

[humble cairn]

Have a good sleep.

[raven umbra]

yeah same here

also since im still a minor i feel a little worried

[humble cairn]

Shoo go to sleep!

[raven umbra]

its like, an internal worrying

RAH, your not my mother!!

[humble cairn]

Drink some water, too.

[raven umbra]

eeughhh!!!!

wair your a boy, boymom or somethinf idk

[reef copper]

Dont make me cast sleep on you

[raven umbra]

NOOOOOOO ill go ill go ill go!!

[covert juniper]

-# it's quiet now

[reef copper]

We did our duty, time to reveal hl3/d&d crossover now that they sleep

[tired belfry]

Is there a way to check where near me does D&D I can’t find anywhere

[glad arch]

Local gamestore might be your best bet

Even if they dont host they might know more about any lcoal group playing

[vernal vale]

Could a lich in theory be a good person?

[severe rampart]

probably not

depends on what your definition of a good person is, which is a whole other can of worms

[vernal vale]

Cause aren't they just outrageously powerful undead

[severe rampart]

Nope, not at all

[humble cairn]

No, they are a very specific form of undead.

Wizards that underwent a long and dangerous ritual to preserve themselves after death with all their magical power. They also must consume souls to maintain their existence.

[idle oar]

In the sense of caring for others? Yes, lich's could be "good" in that sense.
But they have undertaken a ritual to "never die" and must consume souls to remain in that state (which is pretty evil).

[vale sage]

I think they are called Archliches in that case.

[toxic reef]

Wouldn't it be cool to do a monster hunter world like dnd game

[humble cairn]

There are very powerful undead who are good, yes. the Baelnorn and the Undying Court are elves who have consciously chosen undeath to continue serving their community, but they are not liches, exactly.

[vernal vale]

I have a city filled with undead and I want to have a 'good' Lich be the one running it, so how could I do lol

[vale sage]

Have the leader be an Archlich, they are the "good" liches.

[humble cairn]

There's a whole third party book dedicated to doing just this. Heliana's Guide to Monster Hunting.

I'm playing in a campaign using those rules, right now.

I'm a gnome Beast Master, a dinosaur wrangler.

[toxic reef]

Ohh thats awesome actually. I would love to DM a monster hunter game but I'm terrible with making names and don't know about finding good maps

Hell even being a player in one also sounds amazing

[vernal vale]

What would be a really silly name for the wizard who turns into an archlich

Also what species would be cool

[junior spade]

Thri kreen because bug

[vernal vale]

OMG AND HE BECAME AN UNDEAD VIA THE CORDICEPS FUNGUS

[junior spade]

So awesome..

[vernal vale]

THAT'D BE SO SICK

Ok he needs a name, preferably wildly unserious

[severe rampart]

heads up, chill with the all caps as it can disrupt some people's assistive tech

[vernal vale]

Oh ok

[junior spade]

Omar

[vernal vale]

Ah, yes, Omar the great archlich

[junior spade]

So peak

[idle oar]

Please watch the all-caps folks - some text to speech tools our blind/vision impaired friends use read those out letter by letter instead of as complete words/sentences and that can be very Not Fun when you're trying to follow along and participate in the discussion.

[junior spade]

Text to speech displays caps as louder?

[idle oar]

Not always - some of them will literally read it out letter by letter'

So that's why we ask you to be careful with it

[junior spade]

Didn't know someone could hookup smth like that to discord

[idle oar]

Anyway - back to Omar, the great thri-keen archlich

[junior spade]

Make them a stink bug or a slug

Wait slugs can't be thri kreens

[idle oar]

Hmmm. A plasmoid lich sounds pretty weird in an interesting way

[junior spade]

Mosquito

[vernal vale]

I was thinking a spider or milipede

[junior spade]

If you pick spider make him like short it'd be funny

[still plover]

Ooh! Ooh!

The King in Red in Max Gladstone's novel Two Serpents Rise is kinda like this. They run a company and draw their power from the many contracts they're involved in. If their company goes under, they fall apart.

Maybe something similar could work for a good lich, an alternative to eating souls that presents an additional vulnerability or concern.

[vernal vale]

Maybe it could be like if you live in the city as an undead, in return for being kept alive he consumes your soul little by little, but since it's a massive city he consumes such a small fraction that it doesn't affect most

[junior spade]

Makima type shit

[vernal vale]

Nvm changing the concept 🙄

I despise that woman with a burning passion you don't get it

[pale belfry]

Hmmm... Am I missing something with Chromatic Orb? Seems a bit underwhelming for costing a 50GP diamond

[noble basin]

it is

underwhelming

[prime basin]

cost wise it is underwhelming but if you use a higher level spell slot the spell becomes much better

[noble basin]

at tha tpoint just cast a higher level spell instead of using it on chromatic orb

[prime basin]

I would say its cool to take at first level but I wouldn't expect any use out of it until 6th at best

[noble basin]

id say magic missile is more worth

[fierce trellis]

Material components is one of my most hated parts of DnD. I'm glad most DM's are lax on it.

Imagine having to keep track of all that, buy it all, along with food and water xD

[noble basin]

ehh material components arent so bad and i think theyre good for at least trying to balance some spells. Chromatic orb isnt a spell that needs it though 😭

[prime basin]

Well at level 3 your looking at 5d8 with a 63 percent chance of leaping for an additional 5d8 for another 63 percent chance. About a 32 percent chance of getting both leaps. But even just 1 leap is better than the fireballs 8d6 damage die

The only draw back is that it isn't splash (it can hurt more than one though) and it costs gold

[noble basin]

ok but u still need to roll to hit

so its just kinda mathematically not up to par

[still plover]

Component pouch or focus does for it normally. Want fancy spells? Get the fancy stuff.

[prime basin]

Rolling to hit shouldn't be a problem usually

i'll grant you that fireball does guaranteed damage (unless evasion or immunities) and it does have a splash effect

[pale belfry]

Am I missing this leaping aspect? I'm looking at 2014 currently, so maybe that's why

[noble basin]

yes it is? save for half just gives such a ludicrous amount of damage vs rolling to hit.

[prime basin]

but in terms of total potential dpr it is a much better spell (unless every enemy you face is located in a 20 ft sphere)

[noble basin]

yea in 2024 if u roll a matching number on the d8s u get to choose another target within 30 feet of original

[noble basin]

potential igggggg realistically no

[pale belfry]

Ah ok, yea definitely sounds better

[real thunder]

I think thees a late level combo with a subclass thing that can do a bunch of damage
But other than that it's worse than magic missile

[still plover]

Happens about one time in four with 3d8. Getting to pick the damage type is also a situational boon.

[pale belfry]

Maybe it'd be cool if instead of 3d8 of 1 type, you gotta pick a type for each D8,
So maybe 2d8 for fire, 1d8 of lightning or something

[prime basin]

Fair enough

[noble basin]

Thats cool but I struggle to see when that would be relevant

[remote wadi]

Honestly, Fireball is really good

But I am a Lightning Bolt connoisseur

[prime basin]

I'll say that if you use fireball on at least 3 individuals, your getting a better dps output than on a 3rd level chromatic orb

[noble basin]

I personally would not use it

but of course youre free to use whate ver u want

[pale belfry]

I dunno either, just an idea I had, maybe for working out resistances and vulnerabilities

[prime basin]

Fireball is also ridiculously op on purpose but everyone should take it anyway

[still plover]

Well, yes. One's an AOE, the other is single target.

[noble basin]

fireball isnt op. Just a bit strong for its level but it quickly falls off

[prime basin]

single-targetish

[remote wadi]

Chromatic orb? It isn't the worst thing in the world. It being an attack roll does mean you can find a few ways to get advantage

[prime basin]

Most things quickly fall off considering at later levels you get better condition effects and better damage

[noble basin]

shrug ig

[real thunder]

Lightning bolt can be better in random situations (it's easyer to not hit temates in chaotic situations)
But yeah fireball is just better

[still plover]

Fireball is a benchmark spell. It says, "you are now powerful enough to clear a room in one cast after spending your early levels terrified of goblins."

[pale belfry]

I was just looking at it for my lvl 1 character, and it was, I can't cast this, I don't have the materials, it's way too expensive until I start getting tons of money, and I din't know if I was missing something

[noble basin]

yea lol

[prime basin]

No you aren't. It's a spell that is horrible at earlier levels but gets much better the higher your spell slot level

[glass granite]

Are there that many level one spells that take material components not covered by a focus?

[noble basin]

identify is the first one that comes to mind

[still plover]

Ah, the pearl.

[pale belfry]

Sanctuary uses a mirror

[noble basin]

doesnt specify a cost so its free basically

all material components that arent consumed or specify a cost are covered by a focus

[severe rampart]

if you smash a mirror into many pieces, are they individual mirrors?

[noble basin]

idk man

[prime basin]

I would say they are glass shards

[severe rampart]

if you glue them all back together then, would you rule it as a full mirror then?

[prime basin]

A broken mirror but a mirror yes

[vernal vale]

Ok I just wrote it in as 'bro made a deal with god' that's basically just 'keep your undead out of nature and you can keep them all alive, HOWEVER, the only way you can hold so much power is by becoming an undead yourself'

[severe rampart]

what if only half are molded back together?

[prime basin]

still a broken mirror

[severe rampart]

so you get two mirrors for the price of one

[prime basin]

i'll put it this way, once a mirror is shattered, it will be a broken mirror even if you attempt to put it back together

[dim flicker]

just wanted to share: my oneshot went well, my players told me they enjoyed the game, & we finished on time!! im happy abt how it turned out

[prime basin]

I'm trying to think of a name for a rogue subclass that teleports all over the battlefield. Its a remake of an old one I made for my friend

[prime basin]

Well good for you, and I'm happy it went well

[vernal vale]

I stand w Echo, if I see my reflection clearly on a piece of opaque glass, it's a mirror doesn't matter if it's broken

[glass granite]

Blinkshifter?

[vernal vale]

Also it's a creative solution to a problem, DM me sees no issue with it, and player me is happy I get to cast spells easier

[severe rampart]

Spatial Crook

[prime basin]

Spatial crook is crazy

[vernal vale]

It's goated name imo lmao

[prime basin]

Blinkshifter is fitting but those two don't really sound cool together

[vernal vale]

Spatial crook goes hard af

[cobalt owl]

Sounds like an astral pirate

[humble cairn]

Rift Jumper?

[prime basin]

It's not really rifty. It's more so just the dissolving of ones body and reappearance in another place.

[vernal vale]

Displacerkin?

[severe rampart]

Mirage Vermin

[prime basin]

Displacer sounds cool...somewhat

its also more fitting

[vernal vale]

I mean what's the lore for the subclass

How did the rogue acquire the ability to do /tp

[prime basin]

Oh i don't write lore lmao. I write a particular theme that I like and then save it for later if I ever play around with it

[prime basin]

Up to the player how to describe how they got their ability to teleport

[vernal vale]

What species is the player

[humble cairn]

Phase Stalker

[humble cairn]

Then it could be rifty if they wanted?

[prime basin]

Oh i'm not writing this for someone. This is a remake of a subclass for someone I played with. It was also themed around teleporting i'm just remaking it (not remastering it) into something better

[prime basin]

Indeed, but it doesn't have to

[vernal vale]

Ok what about Displacerkin and the way they'd get their powers is that they are well, displacer-kin

Something to do with the shadowplane

[prime basin]

Oh i'm not going to write lore. I just wanted a name for a subclass since most rogue subclasses are one word

[glass granite]

Farstepper?

[vernal vale]

Shadow-jumper

Molten (Since u said dissolve and reappear)

[severe rampart]

... Longstrider

[prime basin]

I'll come up with a name