dnd-discussion

[idle oar]

It may be indirect payment to WoTC in the sense that Urizt may buy WoTC D&D products that are funded in part by the players in their game

[blissful ibex]

Still like GOOlocks better c:, lasts a decent amount of time and has a solid range on it
plus, subtle cast illusions and enchantments is pretty fun, even if it is class limited

[fossil hollow]

We do tend to buy him books

[crimson gulch]

Over half my 5e books have been gifts from players

[pearl hedge]

yeesh a month?? is that for bus fares or gas

[prime basin]

Too based

[remote wadi]

I'm not. Back when I lived in Colorado, a month pass was $80

But you could easily spend less if you need it less. Like a day pass was $6

[crimson gulch]

Cash in my hand to run the games

[rough basalt]

I buy all my stuff

[fossil hollow]

thats for the sessions

[idle oar]

4 games a month at $25.00 a session = $100.00
Which may be reasonable entertainment expenses for some folks

[pearl hedge]

i don't have a PHB i just look everything up on the wiki and have a website where i can review what actions i can take

[rough basalt]

If players want something in my game they gotta wait till I can buy it.

[remote wadi]

So, I wanted to ask chat for help with something. Is it possible to ask someone for help filling out the looking for DM section soon?

I want to find a new campaign, but I am often too busy with work and other hobbies to make frequent searches in the Discord

[pearl hedge]

ohhh. makes sense

[rotund thunder]

Right but, the range requires you two be close to each other, than the range they can go away is several miles. The duration, though, is only a few minutes. Much like with aberrant mind, when are you ever going to have someone go several miles away from you in a maximum of 20 minutes?

[hushed mason]

The form is pretty simple, Blood.

[remote wadi]

Possibly. They would have to be long, eventful, and pretty dang good storytelling to be worth that. Because most good steam games are less than $25

[pearl hedge]

you can tell in your post for looking for DM what kind of schedule you have and when you're available in the week

[remote wadi]

I suppose, but I also am often quite busy and SUPER forgetful

[cerulean monolith]

Where I live, tickets are $2 per ride. But you also don’t have to pay if you can’t; there are tons of qualifications to get a free pass, and drivers are trained to allow people on even if they can’t pay

[blissful ibex]

they could be mounted or a monk or have teleports

[idle oar]

Well folks are paying it so clearly they are finding value in it

[rotund thunder]

Also, most forms of telepathy offered to players have a specific rule that they don't grant the ability for creatures to always understand you, but knowledge cleric gets regular telepathy, which by default allows communication with all creatures that know at least one language

[remote wadi]

Of course. Just saying $25 a session? Either a ripoff or a super premium session, and I'm totally leaning towards the latter

[rotund thunder]

Which serves as a helpful auto translator. The fact that Telepathy is an auto translator also makes it kinda confusing that the knowledge cleric gets both comprehend languages and tongues as well

[blissful ibex]

there's also Gaze of Two Minds but it requires additiona linvestment

[crimson gulch]

Yep, I'm a full time professional dungeon master

[pearl hedge]

@rough basalt Also hey sora!

[sleek cloud]

Urizt walks the walk

[blissful ibex]

GOOlock's used to in 2014, doesn't any more >:c

[pearl hedge]

do you have a side job or a reliable source of money

[rough basalt]

dnd is his job

[remote wadi]

If only I was rolling around in money, then I wouldn't mind giving your sessions a looksee

By the way, anyone know what command I need to type here for the form?

[rough basalt]

its also how he gains sustenance

[cerulean monolith]

Written works

[rough basalt]

each killed PC fuels him like a meal

[rotund thunder]

Ah right, writing makes sense

[fossil hollow]

i think i have 4 PCs in Urizt's graveyard

[rotund thunder]

just feels kinda odd that due to niche situations, the knowledge cleric gets 3 separate ways to get around languages as an issue

[rough basalt]

I havent killed a pc in awhile but thats gonna change

[blissful ibex]

It's kinda their thing though

[pearl hedge]

i've been thinking of making a plasmoid maybe

niche race

[blissful ibex]

knowing stuff and getting around barrier to knowing more stuff

[sleek cloud]

Been hearing a lot of plasmoid talk recently, even one of my groups all rogue party members went plasmoid

[rotund thunder]

Fair, and I do get that the reason they get extra spells in 2024 is that they don't actually get any combat features from their subclass for a long time

Instead they get some extra utility and usually at least one combat spell at each level break

[remote wadi]

What command do I type here for the form to fill out for #looking-for-dm ?

[pearl hedge]

really? huh. at least more love is being shown for plasmoids

[crimson gulch]

Yes, I'm a full time professional dungeonmaster

[blissful ibex]

love me some plasmoid

[rough basalt]

I'd like to run Spelljammer but I just can't do anything with the Spelljammer products

[remote wadi]

Anyone?

[pearl hedge]

ohh that's how you. oh

[pearl hedge]

hold on lemme find it

[rough basalt]

the adventure that comes with it is a bunch of nonsense too

[marble lion]

thats pretty normal in my mind

[rough basalt]

it tries to run like a season of a show

[pearl hedge]

@remote wadi it's "/looking-for-dm" w/out the quotes

[rough basalt]

Only idea i could come up with was having the Flood from Halo get brought into Spelljammer

[pearl hedge]

i may do an aasimar paladin next actually. done a lot with tieflings but never any races beyond that

[crimson gulch]

I haven't had any vacancies for my online games in a while, sorry

[rough basalt]

Since statblocks would just be
Take statblock, change type to Plant

[sleek cloud]

How many are you running now anyways

[blissful ibex]

My primary character is a Plasmoid :3

also have a wood elf, tiefling, tabaxi, kenku, and dragonborn

[pearl hedge]

pretty cool. what class/subclass if any

[blissful ibex]

Circle of Preservation Druid (UA) / Goolock
Though the AL version is on Wildfire / Goolock

[crimson gulch]

I have 3 paid weekly gamed online, 2 paid weekly games in person at the shop. And 2 private games with freinds. And one shots so 7 campaigns ongoing plus extra for one shots.

I was at 9 for a while but I wrapped my learn to play campaign and one of my home games

[pearl hedge]

is this in your main campaign atm?

[rough basalt]

Maybe i should just run my Spelljammer idea

[blissful ibex]

I'm playing her in AL and at least 1 campaign at the moment

[rough basalt]

Have Large Luigi turn into a Gravemind that wants to make a pizza the size of the astral sea

[jovial shadow]

I personally would never pay anyone to DM a game. I just assume play solo adventures. For those who are getting the money, good job getting paid for what others do for free

[pearl hedge]

AL? is that a module

[blissful ibex]

?al

[cosmic roost]

What is the Adventurers League?

The D&D Adventurers League is an ongoing official campaign for Dungeons & Dragons. It uses the fifth edition Dungeons & Dragons rules, and features the Forgotten Realms setting. You can play D&D Adventurers League games literally anywhere. Players use the fifth edition rules to create a character and bring that character to games anywhere D&D Adventurers League play is happening.
[Find out more](#al-rules-compendium message)

Are you interested in the Adventurers League?
We have several channels to discuss Adventurers League play:

• #al-admin-questions — Ask the AL Admins questions
• #1309594376275759104 — Find the latest AL documentation here
• #adventurers-league — Chat about AL games, events, how to get started, AL characters, or other general AL chatter.
• #1050206875079155742 — Adventurers League rules discussion and questions. General D&D rules discussion belongs in #dnd-rules
• #al-dm-discussion — [SPOILER WARNING] A place for AL Dungeon Masters of all levels of experience to discuss their games, share tips, or share constructive feedback.
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[idle oar]

type /looking-for right here in channel. Then select the dm option to get the form to create a post in #looking-for-dm

[pearl hedge]

ohh

ty

[blissful ibex]

It's been very useful for refining how I have her built, as after every oneshot you have the option of completely rebuilding the character (though you keep gear/levels/etc)

also just actually getting some games in, the modules are also built to be a mix of all three pillars of play and are rather enjoyable too c:

[remote wadi]

Filled out the form

[unique fjord]

I’m looking forward to starting uni, I’m half praying that I find a dnd group there to play with! The two or three campaigns ive played have lasted a few months, so less than a year

[crimson gulch]

Thanks! It's a dream job

[remote wadi]

Hoping I can edit that as needed

[remote wadi]

It was just a random thought anyways

[rough basalt]

Fighting the urge to run another 5e game

[hushed mason]

Run a 3.5e instead!

[crimson gulch]

Don't fight it, book it

You can do it! The more folks get to play dnd the better

[fossil hollow]

starting up my eberron campaign soon

[rough basalt]

I gotta think about health

[unreal mantle]

I'm just now realizing that D&D Beyond doesn't allow you to take the 2014 Eldritch Invocations on the 2024 Warlock class, even if you have Tasha's, Xanathar's, etc. Is that real? Isn't it supposed to be backwards compatible? The 2024 PHB included, like, less than half of the available Eldritch Invocations...

[rough basalt]

I'm running a 5e game, a shadowdark game and looking to run another SD game'

[fossil hollow]

Its a known issue

[rough basalt]

tho also those two games wont be any more than 5 sessions so another 5e is enticing

[crimson gulch]

Dnd beyond is not a great tool,

Manual sheets work much better

[rough basalt]

since im just running death house for the new one

[blissful ibex]

yet another reason why roll20 is the superior VTT

[unreal mantle]

So I read, but how long has it been known for? The new PHB is like almost 18 months old at this point... are they even planning on fixing it?

[fossil hollow]

no idea

[unreal mantle]

I use Foundry but want to import my characters from DDB

[hushed mason]

Do you think it was an oversight that the new PHB has no means of making holy water in it?

[atomic kayak]

DDB has a lot of things going on that don't accurately reflect the rules unfortunately

[atomic kayak]

It does have it though

[hushed mason]

Does it? Someone was saying that it didn't.

[blissful ibex]

ceramony still exists, but yeah, that really should have been brought forward into 2024

[atomic kayak]

Its just crafting

[idle oar]

You're better off just making the features you need inside Foundry honestly - and the nice folks in the Foundry Discord server can help you answer questions as you build those features.

[blissful ibex]

true, it's technically mundane equipment

[fossil hollow]

I said it last time, you just need time and gold

whoops just gonna post the link instead
https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/dnd/br-2024/equipment#CraftingEquipment

[rough basalt]

if i ran another 5e game idk what it'd be

[unreal mantle]

It's crazy how badly WoTC has botched DDB since acquiring it. They release a rules update in 2024 and instead of just updating the system properly they launch and kill Project Sigil, no 2026 roadmap except a book on knitting? And their own website doesn't let you use their own books that you purchase even after telling you they're backwards compatible. Crazy

[fossil hollow]

spaghetti code is wonky

[jovial shadow]

From the change log: ** Will functions that consult spells (ex. Warlock invocations) be affected?**

No, they will not. If you have 2014 content enabled, you will still be able to refer to 2014 versions of functions like invocations in your character sheet.

[pearl hedge]

is it like a westmarch, the AL?

[blissful ibex]

Sort of , but a bit different

[unreal mantle]

I have 2014 content enabled and I can tell you, that is not the case.

[pearl hedge]

in what way? just wanting to understand

[jovial shadow]

Might want to drop a note to the Mods in the DDB-feedback

[blissful ibex]

Everything is RAW using the most rececntly printed version and there's some slight restrictions on certain spells and features. There's limits on the number and rarity of items you can bring based on play tier and certain source books are locked to certain campaigns (thjough forgotten realms has access to most content)
Here's the most recent version of the specific rules for it https://wizardsprod.a.bigcontent.io/v1/static/DD Adventurers League Players Guide v20262

[atomic kayak]

the site was already running into issues with this well before wotc bought it to boot. Its (one of the) reason(s) that DDB stopped putting UA on the site with sheet integration.

The base of the site was designed around frankly, a very narrow portion of the game rules from 2014 and was not ever really upgraded to function around further stuff (see again: the UA thing).

It only got worse when wotc bought it because by that point the site was way too big to do what would've been needed to be done to be able to make it really work with all existing stuff and futureproof it. Which was "entirely wipe the character sheet system and start it from scratch"

[blissful ibex]

all the most recent links are also in #1309594376275759104

[pearl hedge]

huh, interesting

[blissful ibex]

They have guides for breaking up harcovers chapter by chapter to run as a series or oneshots and they have the dungeoncraft rules for third parties to produce AL legal content as well
There's also stuff that's like half meant for it like the Golden Vault series and such

But it's basically an official West Marches where you can bring the same character to anywhere they play AL sanctioned content, so like an LGS, discord server, conventions, etc.

[fossil hollow]

just to check:

1. Do you have entitlements sync'd in your acc?
2. Do you own the books on DDB? Is it shared with you?
3. Are you at least level 3?

[rough basalt]

Thinking about it.
I wanna run dungeon crawling since my one 5e game is very open world exploration.

[hushed mason]

whispers "3.5" into @rough basalt 's ear.

[rough basalt]

I'm not gonna run an old dnd system

[hushed mason]

awww

[rough basalt]

if im gonna have to study for a thesis im just gonna play PF or Shadowrun

[fickle heart]

(Run AD&D 2e)
/hj

[minor cargo]

I think PF will give you a good sense of 3.5E. For 4E, games like Lancer or Gubat Banwa are great for the feel.

For the AD&D type of experience, OSE is also great.

These are all “modern” systems, but of course, very much not D&D.

[rough basalt]

Oh yeah the systems they inspired I'll play

Cause they're modern ones and don't usually require a college degree

[fossil hollow]

Gubat Banwa...

[fickle heart]

Honestly, AD&D 2e is easy to run if you get the tables you need to reference prepared

[rough basalt]

For old dnd vibes I got shadowdark

[jovial shadow]

A thesis. lol

[fickle heart]

The part that I think separates new D&D from old D&D is that old D&D didn't see stuff as "personal" within the play culture.

[rough basalt]

I was thinking of doing the 5e conversion for Pathfinder fixes megadungeons that's on ddb

But I'd need a higher sub for more space on my foundry service.

Maybe I run something in the magic country in my homebrew world so I have an excuse to throw spells at players every encounter

[crimson gulch]

I got my dmg and phb but no monster book yet for 2e

[fickle heart]

It's a wonderful edition. The combat is a bit of a slog at times and can be really difficult, but it harkens back to a time when casting was actually held back by the system more directly.

[urban bolt]

What are thoughts on being able to use inspiration I'm like a DM tip? Like "hey dm, do we have anything to climb this cliff we're forgetting about?"

[fossil hollow]

a what

[urban bolt]

...A DM tip, like, a tip from the DM. Or a hint would be a better word I suppose.

[fossil hollow]

so like, using Heroic Inspiration to get a DM Tip? Interesting

[urban bolt]

I think I saw it in aReddit post a while ago and it randomly popped into my head just now.

[crimson gulch]

When I put a problem in front of players it's on them to figure out what they want to do about it

I don't prepare solutions

[urban bolt]

I mean more so from like, something that the players are forgetting, but the characters would know.

Like the players might forget they have climbing gear or something, but the characters obviously wouldn't forget that.

[crimson gulch]

I don't memorize players inventory, just stats and saves and spells and damage rolls

[urban bolt]

It was just an example.

[rough basalt]

If I tried an old dnd system it'd probably be 2e tbh

Even tho me and THAC0 are mortal enemies from playing BG1 and 2

[crimson gulch]

Remember, thaco was an improvement from.the attack.matrix

[worn lagoon]

wh-what's the attack matrix

[rough basalt]

3.5 is just a colossus imo

[crimson gulch]

A whole page of charts used to determine per hit rolls, for every monster and class

[rough basalt]

Since it was the Wild West WotC era where they were just printing new stuff and shipping off cooldown

[unreal mantle]

1. Yes
2. They’re shared with me
3. Yes I’m level 7

I think you were right when you said it’s a know issue, but personally I don’t think they’ll ever bother to even fix it. If they do plan to, they certainly haven’t made any of those intentions known in the 15 months its been broken

[naive cedar]

Urrgghhh don’t remind me

[fossil hollow]

ah, for no. 2, you need to make them in the campaign theyre shared in to access the content

[minor cargo]

For climbing a cliff, I miiiiiight do something like this? Especially if they're struggling and getting frustrated.

I think a better example of the DM potentially chiming in is when there's a social situation and a character might know information that the player forgot or wouldn't know (for example, social norms/ettiquette).

[rough basalt]

4e is also terrifying in that regard.
Not nearly as much content but the bookkeeping is colossal

As you go on you end up with a binder of powers.
Unless you're a Psionic class then you have a binder of augmentations for your flash card of powers.

[stark maple]

Hello

how would one find a game here

[hushed mason]

#find-a-game

[stark maple]

thank you kindly

[rough basalt]

You know the scene in LotR where Gandalf is searching the Gondor archives for information on the One Ring? That's what it feels like to be a high level 4e character looking for your one specific power you need at the moment lol

[urban bolt]

I see, although I suppose it would be the difference between that and just the player rolling a history check? Would it be the DM just for going the check and just deciding whether or not they would know it instead of leaving it up to fate?

[pearl hedge]

thank gods they trimmed to rules and classes down then

[rough basalt]

If you don't mind the bookkeeping tho it's an amazing game

[pearl hedge]

YOU... SHALL NOT.. PASS

[urban bolt]

I guess using inspiration in this way is sort of, pointless depending on your dm style I suppose.

[rough basalt]

I think that applies to 3.x as well

[pearl hedge]

my dad actually played 1e back in the day

[rough basalt]

My first exposure to dnd was 3.5

[hushed mason]

It would be a Gather Information check to search a library.

[rough basalt]

But I didn't get into dnd till 4 or so years ago

[unreal mantle]

I just tested it and made a new character in the campaign that content is being shared through, and they still only give 2024 Eldritch Invocation options. I made a 2014 warlock in the same campaign and the options are there. The 2024 warlock class just flat out doesn’t have access to 2014 invocations, they never coded it in despite the backwards compatibility claim

[rough basalt]

As I'm getting older and have a messed up right hand, I needed a new hobby and tabletop was a lifesaver.

[pearl hedge]

mine was 5e but i knew about it through cultural stuff before then. glad i got so knowledgeable about the game since then

[rough basalt]

I knew of dnd for a long time but didn't know about online dnd till 2021

[pearl hedge]

the real first hurdle to getting into dnd is finding a game

[hushed mason]

Tell me about it.

[rough basalt]

Yeah, if I could get into a game as a player I wouldn't be deliberating on what to run

[pearl hedge]

but once you're clear of it then you learn a lot

which is great

[stark maple]

The highest cr monster from dnd’s past was the great wyrm time dragon with cr 90-100 fun fact

[fossil hollow]

ah yeah, for the invocations specifically its not suported still aye

[pearl hedge]

you cant get the feeling of celebrating with your party at an inn after clearing a hard encounter or a main quest anywhere else

[rough basalt]

I just want more tabletop atm

[pearl hedge]

i can't really do tabletop since the game store in my town is full and im a college student

but im content with online vtts and pbps any day

[minor cargo]

Ideally, what I would do is slowly try to coach the players to ask questions that kind of deepen their connection to the world. So for example in this hypothetical social situation where there's a cultural norm/etiquette thing, I might say to new players to my table. "Do you think your characters would be familiar with enteracting with courts this way? ... Okay, nice. Let's do a history check and see how you do. ... Okay, based on that, here's what you know. Do you think this was taught to your character formally or they just picked it up or...?"

Stuff like that.

[hushed mason]

Knowledge: Nobility and Royalty, not History.

[rough basalt]

Yeah irl games are a pipe dream for me.

So I give everything I can in the online games I dm.

[tropic plank]

I’d probably die of anxiety if I had to perform live face to face

[pearl hedge]

honestly that's the best you can do

[pearl hedge]

in my single tabletop experience i almost got so embarrassed that i didn't play

[rough basalt]

I was anxious until I realized I used to do JFK and other impressions around family and friends.

[pearl hedge]

it's not anxiety i just don't have the most creative ideas and i get stage fright

[rough basalt]

Tho I still get anxiety about singing in front of others

Voice acting I don't have an issue with.

[hushed mason]

I used to sing opera.

[pearl hedge]

one of my friends that i played in that one tabletop experience actually made songs for our party and was a bard in game. pretty awesome

[hushed mason]

For voice acting, I get messed up when folks do competing accents.

[pearl hedge]

he played guitar too

[rough basalt]

I just sort of do voices

[prime basin]

Literally the opposite for me. I hate trying to do a voice because I know I can't keep it or it will eventually sound weird

[rough basalt]

I've grown up mimicking stuff I heard in games and movies so switching in and out of voices and emotions for RP at the table is easy enough for me.

[pearl hedge]

i just use my regular voice for my characters, but at least i try to use words that fit the setting and style that my character would say

[pearl hedge]

yeah me too. cannot do voices

i can mimic voices i hear but not do them on my own

[rough basalt]

DnD has probably increased the amount of voice stuff I do

I'll run through lines off the top of my head while I'm doing chores and stuff.

[iron herald]

I just do a deep version of my own voice for my dragonborn fighter. Her super power is that she's very big.

[rough basalt]

I can't let loose as much as I like due to the time of my games and lack of soundproofing lol

[pearl hedge]

i understand it's for immersion but i'm not a fan of when DMs play music.. sometimes it's a little too loud

that just might be me though

[urban bolt]

I usually use like a discord music, that way they can adjust the volume to their liking

[rough basalt]

i do for mine, tho foundry has volume be on the user rather than global

[urban bolt]

discord music bot

[rough basalt]

so people can turn it up or down as they want

[iron herald]

I like music when it's subtle and ambient. A lot of choices are too melodic and distracting.

[pearl hedge]

yeah my dm uses the built in music player for roll20. i usually just mute it and play my own on spotify while we play

[woven flint]

It's official
My Eberron Character is gonna be a Warforged Pugilist 😎

[urban bolt]

I'm vaguely considering playing a sniper character.

I've never played a gun based character before, I think it would be fun.

[pearl hedge]

i think i need to switch from the roll20 campaign i'm in to an owlbear game or something.. less bugs

[woven flint]

Nah, I'd punch

[prime basin]

I like horror/mystery music...something that you might hear in the early harry potter soundtracks. I think melodic music can work but only during combat encounters

[pearl hedge]

hi tokii haven't seen you in a while

[prime basin]

Monk player located

[last torrent]

hello everyone

[woven flint]

Yes.
I've played a few Monks
And now I'm playing Pugilist :>

[pearl hedge]

something like a rogue? (single target-based class with utility)

[woven flint]

Hello, Moff :>

[last torrent]

haiiiiii :3

[pearl hedge]

hiii tokii

[woven flint]

Hello, Soder

[urban bolt]

I was thinking Eldritch blast warlock, refactoring the Eldritch blast as a sniper rifle :)

[hoary totem]

Artificer.

[pearl hedge]

ah! love eldritch blast

[woven flint]

Eldritch Blast doesn't really give sniper damage feels tbh

[autumn moth]

Hello everyone 😄

[last torrent]

being in this chat while having no clue about nearly anything dnd has the same energy of presenting a presentation you forgot to rehearse for

[pearl hedge]

agonizing blast + repelling blast w/war caster sentinel 😍

[urban bolt]

Depending on the kind of warlock stuff you get it could! And yeah, a little bit of heavy re-flavoring would be required. But I like exclusively use warlock so LMA

[pearl hedge]

@urban bolt

[urban bolt]

That's diabolical LOL

[pearl hedge]

yeah you'd definitely need to reflavor it but i think your idea is solid! maybe turning fireball into a grenade-type weapon? aesthetically ofc

[woven flint]

I mean, if you're being a sniper, you probably don't wanna be within Sentinel use range

[pearl hedge]

no i'm saying that's what you usually go for if you want to be focused on eldritch blast

[woven flint]

You... could also do Artificer where the flavor is already there 😭

[urban bolt]

Can pact of the blade warlocks use long range weapons?

Probably not I don't think so

[woven flint]

Reflavoring Warlock to be a modern-esk sniper is just weird to me when Artificer exists

[urban bolt]

I don't enjoy artificer. I enjoy warlock. :)

[hoary totem]

If you're okay with unofficial content, there's Gunslinger

[sleek cloud]

They can if it’s a magical weapon

[blissful ibex]

it also doesn't work as well in 5e 2024 due to changes to Eldritch Spear >.>

[pearl hedge]

yeah, sentinel they get locked down and you get to make a reaction, war caster lets you turn the reaction into a spell, then agonizing adds charisma modifier and repelling blast pushes back the creature hit with it

[urban bolt]

Oh yeah, that was the limitation.

[hoary totem]

Pact of the Blade GUN

[woven flint]

Your Patron better be Joshua Grahm

[sleek cloud]

That’s exactly what I’m doing on my current warlock

[harsh hollow]

How are you liking it? Really tempted to make one with the pet subclass. Deceptively strong celebrity with a yappy dog or something. :3

[urban bolt]

Okay, well, now I gotta make a sniper hitman warlock. Thanks y'all.

[sleek cloud]

TOKII

what are your thoughts on pugilist I’m so excited to try it

[prime basin]

You can use reach magical weapons if that's what you mean

[pearl hedge]

just don't summon 101 dalmations!

[woven flint]

Haven't played it just yet.
Will Saturday though lol

[urban bolt]

Like bows/guns

[fossil hollow]

We aint playing yet on saturday :P

[prime basin]

No

[sleek cloud]

What’d ya build for it

[woven flint]

Session 0 still counts even if we aren't playing playing shush.

[sleek cloud]

Yes.

[woven flint]

I'll count it.
We'll fight on this!!!!

[prime basin]

well at least you can't conjure them

[harsh hollow]

I've never seen the content YouTubers so divided before, half think it's a neat side grade for Monk while half think it's massively OP.

[prime basin]

if you have a magic ranged weapon already you can

[fossil hollow]

round 0, go

[woven flint]

I'm either doing Squared Circle or Dog & Hound for my Warforged Pugilist though :>

[fossil hollow]

also, laugh at the meme i sent

[woven flint]

If I'm doing Dog & Hound, he met said Dog on his Patrol routes
If I do Squared Circle, it's his training with the Sentinel Marshals

[sleek cloud]

I’m leaning towards squared circle or sweet science

[urban bolt]

I wonder if a dm would give me a sniper rifle that's technically magic, but it's just a total jerk and talks trash, and that's the only special thing it does. Lol. Does that count as magic?

[harsh hollow]

I do think the flavor is a bit funny/weird that pugilists outside of certain subclasses aren't supposed to be magic but you can just make the dog not be dead anymore.

Does the dog die in this movie? No.

[fossil hollow]

"theyre not dead. Just very very sleepy"

[woven flint]

It's buisness, baby, the dog never dies

[sleek cloud]

It mechanically has to be a magical weapon I would say, that sounds more like a homebrew thing

[fossil hollow]

I dont think i want Sentinel going on a John Wick rampage anyway

[sleek cloud]

And what happens when you find a better magical weapon

[pearl hedge]

don't giffs canonically use gigantic flintlocks

[woven flint]

Sentry
His name is SENTRY

[sleek cloud]

Flintlock pistols and muskets did make it into the phb

[harsh hollow]

They give you an option to bind to a different dog but I guarantee most people using it will revive their dog because they probably made the character with a specific dog in mind.

[fossil hollow]

sentinel schmentinel

[woven flint]

He's got the MARK of Sentinel smh.

[sleek cloud]

Oh hi mark

[urban bolt]

I never have the heart to kill any kind animal companion, that's the rule at my table. I usually flavour it as a soul bond? And they just fall into a deep sleep until you use a resurrection thing on them. Maybe it's bad because there's no real risk? But I just can't do it otherwise.

[prime basin]

As long as its considered magic then it works

[woven flint]

Most Animal companions can be revived as part of the subclass anyway

[harsh hollow]

Oh yeah, I just figure in this case it's for balance. If you don't hurt the dog the Pugilist will run roughshod.

[pearl hedge]

omfg im actually going to have to watch that movie for a class im taking

[urban bolt]

I have no idea what a pugilist is tbh

[sleek cloud]

You poor soul

[harsh hollow]

It's like how if you don't hurt the Wildfire Spirit it's kinda hard to stop a Wildfire Druid.

[woven flint]

Rough N' Tumble
Feels between Monk and Barbarian

[pearl hedge]

they're monks in DnD.. people who fight with their fists

[hoary totem]

Fire immunity:

[woven flint]

Pugilist and Monk are two different things.

[urban bolt]

...I know what a monk is... I just don't know what a pugilist is

[pearl hedge]

oh right isn't it a new class in UA or something

[harsh hollow]

You don't have to cast Fire spells. They still get other effects off.

[woven flint]

No, it's a Third Party class

[pearl hedge]

ohhh

[hushed mason]

A pugilist, according to the dictionary, is a kind of boxer. So I imagine, someone that fights with their fists.

[woven flint]

But it's also partnered with WOTC

[urban bolt]

Okay that makes sense

[pearl hedge]

okay

[fossil hollow]

its another unarmed fighting class yeah

[blissful ibex]

it's #third-party

[harsh hollow]

I feel like if they ever reprint Wildfire they need to punch up how much fire damage gets boosted honestly. At least make it scale.

[pearl hedge]

thanks

[sleek cloud]

Think of monks being more martial arts/acrobatic and pugilist more fight club/strength fighting

[pearl hedge]

also welcome back meahby!!

[woven flint]

Pugilist are Rough n Tumble bare knuckle brawlers

Whereas Monks are disciplined and precise unarmed fighters

[harsh hollow]

Monks are Dex based, Pugilists are Strength based.

[sleek cloud]

Made a dwarf pugilist named Bhelmund Broadmantle, hope he sees play soon

[woven flint]

Imagine now
Having a Pugilist and Monk in the same party opening a can of Whoop-Ass on your monsters

[pearl hedge]

mm i love eating whoop ass..

[woven flint]

_>

[sleek cloud]

The banter of ideal between pugilist and monk would be top notch rp

[harsh hollow]

It was pointed out in one of the videos I saw that because the hound is medium you could do a mounted deal with a small species.

[sleek cloud]

So that’s where my can went

[blissful ibex]

My primary does that with her Deer familiar

[pearl hedge]

HEY I LOVE WHIPPED CREAM. SUE ME

[woven flint]

I'm playing a Medium Warforged with my Dog & Hound Pugilist
I don't like playing small things smh

A Robot n his Dog

[hushed mason]

The album by Herb Alpert?

[blissful ibex]

Smol is best

[sleek cloud]

Technically they’re still medium creatures but I get what you mean

[pearl hedge]

wh-no the topping

[woven flint]

New Warforged can be small if they want

[harsh hollow]

And then there's the debate of whether wildshaped druids can use the collar armor items.

[pearl hedge]

honestly that should probably be up to the DM if it happens ingame

[sleek cloud]

Oh I thought you were referring to dwarves being smaller because of their height, which they are

[woven flint]

They can't
They're not beast in wildshape
They're the same type as they were outside of it

[harsh hollow]

Are there any playable beast races? I don't remember.

[woven flint]

Nope

[atomic kayak]

Which magic items exactly?

[woven flint]

Beastfolk, but none of them have the beast tag

[hushed mason]

You should go look up the song. It's great. Tijuana Brass.

[pearl hedge]

i don't think so not in 24

[pearl hedge]

maybe

[harsh hollow]

There's two new collars in the Pugilist book that can be worn by beast creature types.

[atomic kayak]

Oh homebrew gotcha

Either way a wildshaped druid could use them

[harsh hollow]

One provides damage and one provides AC.

[hushed mason]

It will make you tap your toes.

[woven flint]

Which Wildshaped Druids aren't considered, so RAW, they wouldn't be able to (in 2024)

[prime basin]

that have the type beast no. But many races could be considered beasts

[harsh hollow]

It's a little funny that we got a playable monstrosity (Thri-kreen) before something simpler like a beast.

[woven flint]

I'd rather not have playable beasts tbh lol

[fossil hollow]

look, last thing you want is Animal Friendship casted on your party members

[harsh hollow]

We got playable constructs and oozes too.

[pearl hedge]

plasmoid!!!

[pearl hedge]

why would you want to

[woven flint]

I fear that playable beast would open up to a certain subsect of people (not specifically furries lol) that are unfavorable

[harsh hollow]

I think it'd be more a villain thing.

[fossil hollow]

im not saying you want to. Im saying an enemy might want to

[woven flint]

Beasts are better kept to statblocks

[fossil hollow]

ur not even a beast when ye wildshape

[blissful ibex]

also ooze (plasmoid) and aberration (Kalashtar)
and two constructs (autognome, warforged)

[fossil hollow]

ye keep yer cret're type

[woven flint]

Fey. Aberrations. Constructs. OOZES. Monstrosities.

[pearl hedge]

i don't like PCs charming others.. its kind of pvp in a way

[fossil hollow]

again. Not a PC casting it

[woven flint]

No.
They mean
A VILLAIN might want to charm a beast companion

[fossil hollow]

enemies can have spells too

[harsh hollow]

We mean like an NPC villain.

[pearl hedge]

haven't seen someone play as a kalashtar so far

[urban bolt]

Is true strike actually bad?

[fossil hollow]

in 2014 yes

[pearl hedge]

ohh

[woven flint]

In 2024 it's PEAK

[harsh hollow]

2014? Yes. The new one is pretty good.

[urban bolt]

I love me a circle of dreams kalashstar :)

[blissful ibex]

My friend was considering one for a theoretical game, haven't seen one live either though

[urban bolt]

I see. Thank you.

[pearl hedge]

it just gives you advantage on a target and you hit them with your melee weapon

[urban bolt]

...only melee? Damn.

[woven flint]

Which lorewise wouldn't make sense because Kalashtar can't dream 😭

[urban bolt]

I DON'T CARE

[fossil hollow]

The Mark of Handling statblock from Forge of the Artificer can also just. Command a Beast to make an attack. No charm, no allied. Which means it can use your Beast Master's pet to to make it hit you

[pearl hedge]

yeah. it's not great.

[harsh hollow]

The new one is half-caster bread and butter.

[woven flint]

Though
"I give people the dreams I can't have"
Is pretty cool

[blissful ibex]

in 2014, one of the worst spells ever printed
in 2024, actually a really solid cantrip and something worth potentialyl building around

[harsh hollow]

I think a kalashtar Psion could be fun.

[urban bolt]

Would make a lot of scense flavor-wise for a sniper I think, since it would be like you're lining up your shot

[fossil hollow]

Spur Beast. The heir targets a Beast it can see within 30 feet. The target can take a Reaction to move up to half its Speed and make one melee attack.
Imagine this being used on a Beast barbarian to make them hit party members

[pearl hedge]

i think it's because not a lot of people know the race

[pearl hedge]

druid?

[woven flint]

Beast Barbarians specifically aren't beasts though, Ti 😭

[blissful ibex]

they're also Eberron Exclusive

[pearl hedge]

oh. yeah that too then

[fossil hollow]

No, i meant like, a barbarian who has the Beast creature type

[blissful ibex]

Circle of Dreams is a really fun druid subclass, first feature is healing and the rest is utility

[urban bolt]

TRUE STRIKE IS SO GOATED WTF

[harsh hollow]

Most setting specific stuff will be used in a more generic sense elsewhere if the base idea is cool enough.

[remote wadi]

Back for break

[woven flint]

Nystul's Magic Aura could get around a creatures type though, I just realized

[hushed mason]

Hey Bloodline.

[blissful ibex]

I do this with plasmoid, just harder to get it greenlit, hence my bringing it up
creatures and objects fall through holes into other planes all the time, just because they're native to one plane and not common elsewhere doesn't preclude their use

[pearl hedge]

ah so kind of a support/cleric subclass in a way

[woven flint]

You technically can use the Collars!

If someone used Nystuls Magic Aura on you to turn you into a beast type-wise every 8 hours

[harsh hollow]

I have a plasmoid for Strixhaven I'm still waiting to use.

[blissful ibex]

Would compare it more with bard if anything
it's like
3 - A giant pile of heal dice that is basically healing word
6 - Tiny hut
10 - Spring Eladrin misty Step
14 - Dream spell

[harsh hollow]

Someone made a Potion of Healing a little too well so she got up. Fun times. :3c

[pearl hedge]

do you turn willingly or do you have to enter wild shape after the 8 hours

[remote wadi]

Is it bad that Ranger is starting to really grow on me?

[hushed mason]

I don't have the ranger hate that everyone else seems to.

[woven flint]

Wildshape doesn't consider you a beast.
It considers you your previous creature type

[urban bolt]

True strike + hex blade curse would go so hard

[harsh hollow]

I don't like the subclass design being based around a cantrip that doesn't scale.

[umbral loom]

Yall up?🥶

[still plover]

My ranger never mastered climbing without encountering a problem.

[covert wharf]

We up 💸 🧊

[hushed mason]

I also don't have the fifth edition context for the ranger hate. 3.5e rangers are fine, IMO.

[remote wadi]

I just remember a few people being upset that I talked about the class a lot. Understandable, but wanted to see if it was just them

[pearl hedge]

no i understand that.. just asking if that's the cooldown for the collar or you have to go into wild shape

[woven flint]

.. what?

[pearl hedge]

i think it's because they're associated with minmaxing and powerbuilding

[harsh hollow]

I think the question is if you could wear the collar, would it be unequipped when you shifted back? Which, probably.

[hushed mason]

Oh? I thought that was a spellcaster thing.

[woven flint]

No, it's because people think Rangers are bad.

Which they aren't..!
That's where the ranger hate comes from

[pearl hedge]

spellcasters are limited in how many spell slots they have

[tall forge]

Rangers just dont hold a strong personal identity other than it being all focused around a mediocre 1st level spell (hunters mark)

[harsh hollow]

I don't know if they're bad, just a little not cohesive.

[remote wadi]

For 5e, they are mostly a small jack of all trades, but can quickly fall apart if common negative scenarios are present. In particular, no exploration and a large party with little cooperation

[pearl hedge]

hunters mark is fun though

[tall forge]

Meaning theres really not a reason to play a ranger other than… fighter with a bow.

[harsh hollow]

I think if they want to base it around Hunter's Mark so heavily it shouldn't be concentration.

[woven flint]

I stand by the idea that Hunters Mark is THE worst spell in the game

Only ahead of Find Traps

[harsh hollow]

And should scale.

[still plover]

For me, class is a bunch of features. Personal identity and character is what you make with it.

[blissful ibex]

more because they're build around Hunter's Mark which is a really crap spell and are heavily geared towards the exploration pillar of play which is rarely properly run.

Also everyone sees the name and assumes they're the archery class when they're really not.

[remote wadi]

Which i beg to differ on this. They have a solid chunk of playstyles that, while they don't have a particular identity, are still fun to fill in a pinch

[tall forge]

Yes but classes are built with a general idea

The fighter is a big weapons guy

Barbarian angry guy

Monk is martial artts

[pearl hedge]

also hunter's mark should be a cantrip instead of a 1st level spell too

[tall forge]

They still are built with a cohesive idea and features that fit that idea

[woven flint]

Ranger is the Nature guy

But .. so Is Druid!

Okay, well Ranger is the Weapons guy!

But.. so is Fighter!

[remote wadi]

They can be a class in the frontlines with a sword and shield
Backline emergency medic and archer
Hunter with solid control spells

[still plover]

Joke's on you, my barbarian is not angry, and also a girl.

[harsh hollow]

Swarmkeeper is a ton of fun, though.

Very flavorable.

[tall forge]

Ranger can fit the “pet owner” archetype perfectly but it doesnt even fully go into that besides the subclasses

[pearl hedge]

rangers are a good jack of all trades though. melee when you need it, bows and spells for long range, aoe damage and cc too

[rough basalt]

Ranger is the nature weapons spells traps guy

[woven flint]

One could say Ranger is the Stealth guy

But, hell, so is Monk, Rogue, even DRUID, really.

[pearl hedge]

i.. am heavy bow guy

[tall forge]

Druid also has a mild problem with the whole identity thing

[remote wadi]

And unlike fighter, has at least SOME spellcasting abilities, in between emergency healing, restraining, and movement

[tall forge]

It’s just not a cohesive class you can say a theme around that anyone would pick up

[harsh hollow]

I'd argue Druid has enough identity.

[prime basin]

takes eldritch knight and action surges

[pearl hedge]

agreed, they're very versatile and are good at locking down the battlefield. self sustaining too

[blissful ibex]

best ranger is honenstly dual wielding light weapons

[harsh hollow]

For it to have subclasses that break form there has to be form. Stars and Wildfire work very differently.

[rough basalt]

Druid has good identity.
People just don't play it cause it's a lot of bookkeeping for the average 5e player

[pearl hedge]

i dual wield crossbows

[blissful ibex]

Ranger is the Exploration guy

[prime basin]

Not saying ranger is bad, but the ranger is worse than any other class in 2024

[woven flint]

So is Druid

[remote wadi]

And I was thinking about this for work

They have a phenomenal blend of defense and weapons that requires no magic and is unbelievably cheap

[pearl hedge]

but isn't that saying that ranger is bad

[blissful ibex]

not to the same extent, and druid needs to burn wildshape charges to do it
druid also doesn't have expertise or extra skill proficiencies

[harsh hollow]

It's still weird to me that they reprinted Stars with what seems like no changes though.

[tall forge]

So is rogue

[prime basin]

Indeed but at least you get expertise so you can maybe do it a bit better than a druid

[prime basin]

No, because bad means that it sucks, but ranger doesn't suck its just mid

[harsh hollow]

Things that aren't changed are supposed to just use backwards compatibility I thought.

[woven flint]

I don't think that invalidates my argument that so is Druid

Or, alternatively..
So is Rogue!
Rangers do have poor class identity

[tall forge]

Imo they should just be the pet class

[blissful ibex]

Rogue is the Urban explorer
Ranger is the wilderness explorer c:
Bard is the socialite

[pearl hedge]

also gloomstalker ranger is unbelievably op at higher levels

[woven flint]

Rogue can be a wilderness enjoyer too.

[prime basin]

Indeed, and in 5e they always relied on their subclasses to give them an identity of some sorts

[remote wadi]

Studded Light Armor, Shortsword, Shield or Buckler if DM allows it, 18 Dex

Boom. That's 17 AC and a weapon that isn't even close to 100 gp

[rough basalt]

Tbf what class identity can you give it that doesn't render half of the class unusable due to how 5e dms run the game.

[harsh hollow]

Explorer isn't enough to build a whole class identity around though, that makes it just sound like a handy dip.

[blissful ibex]

Scout rogue goes hard

[woven flint]

Exactly!

[pearl hedge]

shortswords are great for dual wielding

[tall forge]

Also exploration generally is such a DM dependent/game dependent thing

[blissful ibex]

they also get hunters mark (bad)
and spellcasting

[rough basalt]

Ye that's why it got removed from the class.
Majority of 5e dms won't run exploration

[harsh hollow]

2014 Rangers were near useless if you were in the wrong place.

[tall forge]

Mhm

[remote wadi]

And even if you don't want to, you have AC equivalent to a heavy armor with no disadvantage on stealth, weight, or cost

[blissful ibex]

honnestly it could have just been a Druid subclass that gives extra attack, roving, and then some of the funkier later level stuff

[prime basin]

I think something that might be more broadly applicable

[harsh hollow]

I could honestly see a lot of ranger subclasses working as Druid instead.

[rough basalt]

It's either they become a worse fighter or a worse druid.
Thats kinda what being a half caster is.
You're a mix of two.

[tall forge]

Except rangers the worst half caster

[pearl hedge]

class identity doesn't matter a whole lot unless you have people in the campaign who are picking the exact same class

[rough basalt]

It's got some of the best spells out of the three half casters

[tall forge]

Every other half caster has some insane cheat ability that makes is good

[prime basin]

So when i think of an ability for a ranger i think of something that allows it to get reroll on ability checks so and so times per day, expertise obviously, you have advantage on checks when tracking down creatures, etc

[remote wadi]

Paladin being?

[rough basalt]

Spike Growth is pretty much one of the strongest spells in the game for how cost effective it is. Since it doesn't have a save attached.

[harsh hollow]

If you have a certain fantasy you're after you want it to work right though.

[tall forge]

Smite, the saving throw aura

[pearl hedge]

true, but that's situational to pregame

[tall forge]

The fact that they dont actually need charisma despite being a charisma caster

[blissful ibex]

ranger has... spend your fifth level spell slot to be a regular fighter for a minute, except it also eats your BA every turn

[remote wadi]

Smite is okay, but costs a lot of resources in spells

Rangers still have a higher damage overall with 2 crossbows and the appropriate feats and FS

[rough basalt]

They do if they want their Aura to matter

[blissful ibex]

Steelwind Strike should have been ranger excluisive

[tall forge]

Then warlock has like

[rough basalt]

Ranger is a consistent damage dealing battle controller. Paladin is a sort of support with nova damage.

[tall forge]

All that

[pearl hedge]

i think rangers are at their best if they have an item that can summon an animal or beast companion

[tall forge]

And artificer makes magic items

[prime basin]

I don't think this is true because the ranger can overlap with a lot of other classes and just not be as good at those things. The ranger is the tracker but rogues get reliable talent making them better at potentially tracking, the fighter does a bunch of damage with attacks and hunters mark but there are tons people who can go toe to toe with a ranger or do better, the ranger is spellcaster who deals with animals which overlaps with the druid

[remote wadi]

Which Ranger also has too, thanks to Gloomstalker. And if you don't want ti MC into Assassin as well, you also get prof in Str, Dex, and Wis saves

[blissful ibex]

Hunter's mark is also just reflavored hex

[eager marsh]

worse hex because Hex can penalize a skill check*

[rough basalt]

However HM is force damage

[pearl hedge]

a specific skill check too

[rough basalt]

So it's not resisted barring some very specific enemies in side splatbooks

[blissful ibex]

GOOlock hex is psychic which is almost as good c:

[tall forge]

Im not even that big on min/maxxing, but its just so hard yo justify playing a ranger when like… you can play either fighter or druid and do what ranger does better

[eager marsh]

still an option

[prime basin]

the damage is better cause its force instead of necrotic but you also don't get the hex ability to give disadvantage on ability checks for a chosen stat

[tall forge]

Thats the reason identity is important imo

[rough basalt]

And skill checks aren't really used in combat unless someone gets grappled

[remote wadi]

2024, I think. 2014 is same as normal damage. But still isn't too bad because of how easy it is to get silvered weapons and ammo

[blissful ibex]

can play druid with a 5 level dip in fighter and literally just be better ranger because you get 8th level slots

[limber trail]

Warlocks aren’t half casters though

[rough basalt]

Ye 2014 HM is a trap imo

[eager marsh]

necrotic resistance is barely ever used so thats hardly an argument against it. And Warlock has a subclass that actually interacts with hex to make it a saving tro penalty but Ranger doesnt have a subclass that interacts with hunters mark in a good way like that

[prime basin]

And the problem with ranger is that you have this mix of druid, fighter, and rogue but they just don't do it well

[blissful ibex]

Warlocks are weirdos
they defy catagorization

[rough basalt]

Wdym Necrotic Resistance/immunity is one of the more common damage resistance/immunities

[limber trail]

No they’re just full casters who work a little differently

[tall forge]

Its just such a shame bc i, and ither peoplec enjoy the IDEA of rangers

So clearly theres something there

[blissful ibex]

Technically, they do only get spell slots up to 5th level (if we completely ignore MA)

[eager marsh]

No it isnt

[remote wadi]

Not really. It can still pull some serious weight if you find a way to attack hard and often
Which, with 2 crossbows, that's thrice a turn, and 4 on first turn

[prime basin]

Its usually all within the undead group though so you don't really see it much unless its an undead campaign

[limber trail]

At every level of warlock progression, they can cast spells of a level equal to every other one of their full caster companions

[blissful ibex]

fair

[rough basalt]

Undead make up a fair amount of the MM and a fair amount of monsters used in play ime

Since they're the easiest monsters to use.

[tall forge]

Whats real messed up is that even if every monster was resisting necrotic

It would still be equal to hunters mark…

[blissful ibex]

A big chunk of the early game can be beasts as well depending on the setting / module

[rough basalt]

I never see Beasts tbh

It's either Goblins or Undead ime

[urban bolt]

Y'all unlocked a monster. I am SO making a sniper centric warlock, pact of blade. Thank you. I have genuinly never been more excited to try a character build than this.

[prime basin]

All im saying is that it may be resisted alot but its mostly set to one category

[blissful ibex]

I see a decent chunk when not stuck in an urban campaign

[eager marsh]

damage wise? that's not true until you reach tier 3-4 and assumes teh ranger doesnt have masteries for extra attacks past 2

[rough basalt]

Yep, and guess what that category doesn't resist
Force
Forcegang wins again

[prime basin]

force is indeed better than necrotic

[tall forge]

Just the difference of wording in “weapon attack” vs “attack with hex

[blissful ibex]

ranger caps at 4 using light weapons + dual wielding
warlock taking the Weapon Master feat for a nick wepaon caps at 5 with the same setup
and that's assuming no first level fighter dip

[tall forge]

Eldritch blast alone being able to activate hex multiple times in one spell is pretty crazy

[eager marsh]

Yea and the warlock uses a 5th level slot functionally for that

[urban bolt]

Is a hunting rifle the same as a sniper rifle?

[eager marsh]

It's not. Eldritch Blast + Hex is actually below the curve for martial damage performance in 2024

[blissful ibex]

nope, bladelock + devouring blade gets 3 attacks natively + nick + dual wielder

[tall forge]

I dont know 2024 math

Ive never played 2024 still, my current campaign started beginning of 2025

[humble cairn]

Have you actually tried playing a Ranger and felt this way?

[prime basin]

hunting rifles are usually much older and are usually bolt actions. Sniper rifles can have actual mags depending on how recent they are. Don't confuse sniper rifles with marksman rifles though

[eager marsh]

I was refering to the Hex cast. It's still a larger percentage of their daily resources than hunter's mark is

[blissful ibex]

it is decently above the curve for cantrips though, Warlock occupies a confortable middleground

[eager marsh]

Because you're adding a leveled spell to the cost

[rough basalt]

That's cause Warlocks aren't traditional full casters so they get a reliable solid weapon to hold onto

[blissful ibex]

You don't use slots for it, you use a scroll

[eager marsh]

Assuming magic item access at all times isn't a fair discussion for class balance

[limber trail]

Even on its own eldritch blast is above the curve compared to all other damaging cantrips

[prime basin]

All im saying is...paladin better

[humble cairn]

Because I'm playing a Ranger currently and it really doesn't feel like a Fighter. Maybe a bit like Druid since I'm playing a Wisdom focused Ranger, but still pretty different and I've played both those classes.

[blissful ibex]

You can make them fairly easily tbf

[eager marsh]

That's it's own issue.

[prime basin]

Its not supposed to feel like a fighter, it just steps on the toes of it a bit

[tall forge]

Thats dm dependant id say

[empty thicket]

in comparison to?

[eager marsh]

Again, irrelevant as that's an assumption that isnt always available

[prime basin]

EVERYTHING

[rough basalt]

If Warlock was a normal full caster then Eldritch Blast wouldn't be as good as it is as well as some invocations

[limber trail]

I don’t think it’s an issue at all, it’s how the class is designed

[humble cairn]

Sure, which is to go against the point that playing a Fighter/Druid is just a better Ranger, because it's not. Which is the point that Meabhy made that I was responding to.

[rough basalt]

Yep
Limited slots then either Pact of the Blade or EB to tide you over between rests to keep you on par with everyone else

[blissful ibex]

it's a core rule, and you can literally do it during the light activity portion of 4 long rests, or 1 with Aspect of the Moon

[prime basin]

Sure...if you ignore action surge, the wildshapes, getting access to spells earlier with druid, the potential subclasses that are much better than rangers IMO, etc

[rough basalt]

What kinda Ranger is becoming the living embodiment of a star constellation tho

[empty thicket]

mmmmmmmm....... can see from where is your point, but i would say it lack in many things. In either way yeah, its a good class, some would say top 5 more op classes.
But i wont say is the best of them all

[humble cairn]

I'm not ignoring any of those, but Ranger is still it's own thing.

[simple cradle]

I wonder if someone makes a souped-up version of Ring of Spell-Storing where you can absorb an enemy spellcaster's spell.

[eager marsh]

Crafting is not 'light activity' because it doesn't say it is so no you can't. Furthermore, the inclusion of magic item access is still explicitly not part of class balance

[humble cairn]

That's flavor?

[rough basalt]

My point is I don't get how Druid subs make a better ranger

[blissful ibex]

https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/dnd/br-2024/rules-glossary#LongRest

Interrupting the Rest. A Long Rest is stopped by the following interruptions:
Rolling Initiative
Casting a spell other than a cantrip
Taking any damage
1 hour of walking or other physical exertion

[prime basin]

I'm joking. its probably within the top 7-5 but it just love the paladin because i like playing warrior-casters

[humble cairn]

Right, the classes are different, not just substitutable.

[urban bolt]

If you have a two-handed weapon from hexblade/pact of blade warlock, and used a bonus action to create a new bonded, like, knife or something- would you still have to technically switch weapons, or would that two-handed weapon dissapearing from creating a new pact weapon oversee that?

[rough basalt]

It'd disappear and replace it I believe

[eager marsh]

ok, I conceded the first point. the second point remains true

[rough basalt]

And if it's a bonded two hand weapon then you'd need to use one or the other

[blissful ibex]

fair, I'll concede the second

[empty thicket]

oh, casting any spell stop the long rest... damn...

[urban bolt]

So it wouldn't use up your free object interaction?

[blissful ibex]

cantrips don't, 1st level or above do
you can cast all the cantrips you want during the light activity portion of a long rest
my Aspect of the Moon having warlock has Create Bonfire and can keep it up for an entire night

[eager marsh]

casting 2024 blade ward constantly to keep yourself safer when you get ambushed and fail the perception check

[empty thicket]

yeah, but there are some spells that either need preparation or take 1 hour, would like to have chance to cast them or get some ward//defensive spells around an area where im going to take a long rest.

[blissful ibex]

you cast those prior to resting

[empty thicket]

peak then

[urban bolt]

Is hex warrior just doing the same thing as pact of the blade?

I'm looking at it now, and it just seems to do the same thing?

[empty thicket]

14 or 24?

[urban bolt]

24

The only benefit i can see it gives is access to a two handed summoned pact weapon, but if you're bonded to a magic two-handed weapon to begin with, then it doesn't matter, no?

[humble cairn]

Similar, but not exactly the same. Meaning they can stack, making it the only way you can dual wield Pact Weapons.

[humble cairn]

You can do two handed weapons with regular Pact of the Blade, no need to get Hex Warrior.

[urban bolt]

Oh i see, so your pact of the blade weapon can a sniper rifle, but your hexblade weapon could be a knife?

[urban bolt]

yeah, i know, i saw that bit. Which is what conufsed me on the point to begin with.

[humble cairn]

"Two Handed" means one weapon that takes two hands to attack with.

[urban bolt]

Well, yeah, i know lol

[humble cairn]

But getting Hex Warrior can allow you to make a second weapon your Hex weapon, so you can dual wield with your Charisma.

Which is not possible with Pact of the Blade alone.

[urban bolt]

Hm, i guess, so say you have a sniper rifle as your main weapon, if somebody ends up getting too close to you, you can use a bonuc action to summon a knife, a free object interaction to pull out a second, and knife the guy?

[blissful ibex]

they basically pulled a bunch of what hex warrior did into the new rebuild of Pact of the Blade when they went from 5e 14 to 5e 24
they did the same thing with Pact of the Tome and book of ancient secrets

[blissful ibex]

2024, Base Pact of the Blade works with any simple or martial melee weapon
though the Improved Pact Weapon invocation is required for ranged weapons

[empty thicket]

A Longsword and shortsword duelist warlock that its patron is a Demon warrior or smt like that that want his warrior to fight and feed in those fallen souls, who wont like any unfair battle and would love duels

[urban bolt]

Oh, so you could use the two two dual wield swords? interesting

I hadn't thought of that

[empty thicket]

If im not wrong, you can

[urban bolt]

It doesn't say anything about a pre-existing magic weapon you bond with having to be ranged? Or is that just for summoned?

[blissful ibex]

yeah, base pact can still bond a magic bow, just can't summon one

common workaround is to bind a silvered range weapon as they're a common magic item and as such only 100gp per the DMG

at least until you can find something better

[urban bolt]

Okay, yeah, that was the original plan

[empty thicket]

bound daggers and throw them and then recall them back
(jk, would be too nice)

[blissful ibex]

You can do that, the recall just eats your bonus action

[urban bolt]

Hmphm. Hexblade + pact of blade still seems vaguely repetitive. Dual wielding swords is nice though, maybe that is worth it purely to round up nicely in the melee department.

Gods. I love warlocks.

[blissful ibex]

alternitively, pact weapon your offhand, take MI: Druid picking CHA, and use shillelagh on a club

[knotty pasture]

That's a refreshing take, we've had a fair amount of people calling Warlock bad recently in the server, befuddles the mind

[quick hornet]

Hi hello

[urban bolt]

WHAT!? it's quite possibly the only class i actually have fun playing. You can do so many funky things with it!

Practicaly has two subclasses, a entire list of ways to customize your playing, flavour always hits like crazy...

[blissful ibex]

My druidlock dips 5 levels into it
Not a huge fan of base warlock but having it as a secondary class is very nice

[urban bolt]

I rarely make characters with pure mechanics, just what mechanincs buff up my character flavour, whichtends to actually lean towards some crazy builds sometimes.

Well. crazy to me. :)

[blissful ibex]

druidlock is a poor combination from an optimization standpoint, but ends up playing rather interestingly
very nice combo for Exploration Pillar optimization actually

[prime basin]

One of my favorite builds in 2014 was a Wizadin

[urban bolt]

I was so interested in this campaign ad, and the guy just told me 2014 rules. actually sobbing rn

[prime basin]

You start as a paladin and then go into wizard...i really liked the idea but I never fully played it

[knotty pasture]

Its not the absolute worst, especially if you throw a Cleric dip into the mix

[hushed mason]

Wouldn't that be a palizard?

[knotty pasture]

Cleric/Warlock/Ranger or Druid means you have two dedicated Warlock slots for super powerful Goodberries

[prime basin]

Yes, but a Wizadin sounds better

[hushed mason]

But the paladin comes first...

[prime basin]

besides the build was more focused on the wizard you just wouldn't go into in until later levels

[feral fulcrum]

I'm not really a fan of just Multiclassing into several different classes, it just feels like you'd lag behind alot.

[nova sonnet]

Random question/request. Does anyone know any good star wars TTRPG games going on? Iv always wanted to play in that universe, but i dont often see games for it up

[knotty pasture]

The absolute best builds come from multiclassing, mostly because capstones aren't overwhelmingly good like certain dips

[prime basin]

so if you start as a paladin then go into sorcerer is it palcerer

[knotty pasture]

The ultimate Ranger build mixes 6 classes together for example

[prime basin]

as far as I know, most people refer to it as a Sorcadin

[feral fulcrum]

If you're seeking other systems that goes in #non-dnd-topics If you're seeking DND Star Wars Homebrew, probaly best asked in #homebrew

[hushed mason]

And if you want to talk about KotOR, you go to #dnd-elder-editions.

Knights of the Old Republic was D&D, wasn't it?

[keen kestrel]

this is kind of wild ngl

[knotty pasture]

The final build at level 20 looks something like:

Ranger 5/Cleric 1/Fighter 4/Warlock 5/Rogue 4/Sorcerer 1

[limber trail]

.....So I thought this was just incorrect but i looked it up and it uses 3e, apparently

or a modified version of 3e

[knotty pasture]

Which is really just a 13 martial/7 spellcaster build, fitting conclusion for a gish class

[keen kestrel]

I'm trying to figure out what like half these other classes are for

fighter and rogue make sense, the others are strange

[hushed mason]

Are there no multiclassing penalties in 5e?

[keen kestrel]

besides needing certain stats and missing out on feats, not really

[nova sonnet]

not that i know of

[crimson gulch]

Loads of then

[nova sonnet]

not intentional penalities though

[glacial pulsar]

What do we mean by penalties?

[nova sonnet]

there is no "punishment"

[hushed mason]

I mean a specific penalty for multiclassing. 3e had favoured classes.

[crimson gulch]

You sacrifice progression in one class for the features of another

[nova sonnet]

thats not a penality though

[desert valve]

im gonna try painting minis for the first time soon, is there anything i should know before going into it?

[nova sonnet]

penality normally means a punishment

[glacial pulsar]

I haven't played 3e you'll have to name a specific example

[keen kestrel]

You give up possible feats and need certain stats to multiclass, but that's all I know

[feral fulcrum]

Multiclass into every class and you'll hold a very different tune. :V

"I'm a level one everything, and can do very little."

[crimson gulch]

Over the corse of long campaigns multiclass charicters feel pearlized alot in my experience

[nova sonnet]

penality typically means something outside your control, an extra thing thrown at you on purpose as a punishment

[blissful ibex]

the penalty is delayed progression vs game dificulty and the rest of the party
delayed or fewer feats/ASIs
delayed spell progression

[glacial pulsar]

I mean I guess it's a penalty but a tradeoff is a better term, you give up one level's worth of class features for one level of another class's features

[nova sonnet]

that is not a penalty, that is a willing thing you sign up for when multiclassing

[blissful ibex]

yes, but it's a penalty vs not doing that, it's an implicit tradeoff built into multiclassing

[feral fulcrum]

Call it whatever you want, there's still downsides to Multclassing

[hushed mason]

In 3e, there are XP penalties for multiclassing the wrong way with too much distance between classes/against a favored class.

[nova sonnet]

there is downsides, but not offical penalties WOTC imposes

[blissful ibex]

yeah, no, they did away with that because MC is already inherently disadvantageous

[glacial pulsar]

By that definition there's no penalties like that in 5e

[hushed mason]

Thanks for the clarification.

[knotty pasture]

Life Cleric has synergy with Goodberry from Ranger, Warlock gives two dedicated slots for Goodberry use + Eldritch Invocations + Pact of the Blade with Improved Pact Weapon, Sorcerer buffs your final accuracy once per short rest and gives utility spells

[blissful ibex]

you are almost always better off sticking with a singular class unless you know what you're doing c:

[nova sonnet]

or, you do so for a non meta reason, Like I multiclassed due to story reasons, as it made sense IC

[blissful ibex]

just have to be careful with it as to not fall too far behind the rest of the party

[nova sonnet]

my DM works with me, and allowed me to make new features

[blissful ibex]

basically like 50% of multiclassing is properly planning out when to take levels in which class

[blissful ibex]

then you're all set c:
homebrew is a powerful tool to help bridge gaps like that, but not every table has that as an option

[nova sonnet]

the DM basically helped me come up with ways make new paladin aura's that still worked with being a fighter and hexblade (3 way multiclass)

[knotty pasture]

Paladin Hexblade slaps

[nova sonnet]

fighter hexblade paladin

and my DM allows me to use my bonus action in my action surge so it deff helps

[urban bolt]

Do you need dual wielder feat to dual wield to begin with?

[nova sonnet]

no?

[knotty pasture]

No

[nova sonnet]

two weapon fighting

[urban bolt]

I thought so. This is breaking my brain. okay. thank you.

[nova sonnet]

dual wielder just adds this

You gain a +1 bonus to AC while you are wielding a separate melee weapon in each hand.
You can use two-weapon fighting even when the one-handed melee weapons you are wielding aren't light.
You can draw or stow two one-handed weapons when you would normally be able to draw or stow only one.

[fossil hollow]

thats the old version

[urban bolt]

The new version just adds the last two right?

[fossil hollow]

No

[urban bolt]

I'm about to overheat. I need better system cooling.

[nova sonnet]

oh god i looked at the new version, comparatively, it sucks

[fossil hollow]

eh

[blissful ibex]

It's actually really nice when paired with the nick mastery and the light weapon extra attack in 2024
gets you 3 attacks at level 4
then 4 at level 5 for marital classes

[nova sonnet]

id rather take the plus to AC

and most Dms arready ignore the Stowing weapons thing anyway

[blissful ibex]

It's mostly just for the bonus attack
which can also be made with a non light weapon
also it's a half ASI now

[cerulean monolith]

Whose most dms?

[nova sonnet]

all DMs I have had over the last 9 years, iv never seen one use that rule

[fossil hollow]

thats not even the main benefit of 2024 DW

[keen kestrel]

I like the newer one, but it's much better for getting in another attack for drs effects

[nova sonnet]

i will say 2024 made rogues scarier

[keen kestrel]

tbh, I'd almost say it's stronger for a class like a paladin who gets a lot of ways to stack extra damage

[urban bolt]

Okay. if i understand this properly, hexblade pact of blade warlock would be able to effectively switch from a sniper rifle to a pair of swords that both use your charisma modifer bonus, and you can then dual wield them. yes?

Thus you have good longrange and short range coverage

[keen kestrel]

sort of, but just note you only get extra attack at level 5 on whatever your pact weapon is

[nova sonnet]

I mean the added weapon masteries. SO rogues can basically guarantee sneak if they duel wield

[keen kestrel]

oh yes, that's true

[nova sonnet]

if they connect of course

i use double vex weapons to fish that sneak lol. My dm kinda hates it

[keen kestrel]

I think weapon masteries were a great way to improve martials

[blissful ibex]

Pact of the Blade gets thirsting blade at 5 and devouring blade at 12 in 2024
for 2 and 3 attacks respectively

[urban bolt]

Yeah, but even at level four you coudl dual wield the swords right? Use your pact weapon first, and then the hexblade weapon

[nova sonnet]

i smack with a vex weapon, second attack sneak

[keen kestrel]

I mean yes you can, that can sort of work

just note that two handed rules still apply

[urban bolt]

Absolutely, i mean like, say, for example, you have a longr ange pact weapon. If somebody gets too close or you have to switch to short range melee, you can quickly summon a new pact weapon as a bonus action, thus replacing the two handed weapon without using your free object interaction, which you would sue to bring out your hexblade weapon.

Would this work well? or am i overlooking something?

[nova sonnet]

is stowing/drawing a weapon considered object interaction? (i dont know)

[fossil hollow]

yes. But you can draw or stow one weapon as part of each attack in the attack action in 2024

[urban bolt]

So it wouldn't even use your object interaction, okay cool.

I swear i think i'm overlooking something and this is really junky somehow, but i THINK it works really well? Like it seems really decent way to cover long range AND short range with the added sharpshooter feat.

chatGPT is saying random stuff, not helpful at all, and is completely wrong.

[hushed mason]

ChatGPT cannot understand the rules. Don't use it for anything technical.

[fossil hollow]

yeah, its just wasting water

[tall forge]

Dnd rules were made by humans and takes human interpretation

Bc those rules are inherently kinda Jank

[urban bolt]

I've quickly learned that, yeah, lol. But i think this works. And i think it's also pretty badass.

Even if it's not OPTIMAL? maybe? it's at least viable- i think- and cool in that way

[unreal crescent]

Hey so like why can’t I find wayfarer I origonally had that as my characters origin but now it’s just gone?

[urban bolt]

Do you have cover when you're prone?

[umbral girder]

If you got a wall or a person or something in the way

If not then no you don’t have cover.

[umbral girder]

What?

[urban bolt]

Right, it's disadvantage if they're more than 5 feet away from you, okay

[unreal crescent]

The background wayferer it just not there anymore

[umbral girder]

Not where?

[urban bolt]

In that case, i wonder if prone defense or sharpshooter would be better for a first feat for this build...

[fossil hollow]

do you own the Player's Handbook on DnDBeyond

[unreal crescent]

No, but it was there before

[umbral girder]

Are you using a website? Which one?

[fossil hollow]

it must have been shared with you before in a campaign

[urban bolt]

I guess it's between defence and range, then...

[umbral girder]

Because depending on the site you are better asking in their own servers. If it is DDB it’s not for this channel but for #ddb-support

[unreal crescent]

Ah

[unreal crescent]

Oh I see so I’m not supposed to have that as an origin?

[blissful ibex]

no, https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/dnd/br-2024/rules-glossary#AttackAction

Equipping and Unequipping Weapons. You can either equip or unequip one weapon when you make an attack as part of this action. You do so either before or after the attack. If you equip a weapon before an attack, you don’t need to use it for that attack. Equipping a weapon includes drawing it from a sheath or picking it up. Unequipping a weapon includes sheathing, stowing, or dropping it.

[fossil hollow]

You just dont have access to it if you dont have the book

[urban bolt]

Why did i think it took a full action to stand up? weird

[umbral girder]

It’s half your movement

Unless you got the athlete feat

[blissful ibex]

yes, because AI cannot differentiate between older editions, 5e 2014, 5e 2024, and homebrew, and as such it should not be relied on for rules questions
please ask your questions in the appropriate channel here to avoid being lied to c:

[urban bolt]

Yeah, i know. Okay. Do i choose all ranged/reach attacks having disadvantage on me when i'm in sniper position, or have that extra long range and cover ignorance?

[hushed mason]

It also can't math.

[umbral girder]

Why not get the Athlete feat?

[urban bolt]

I think i'll do prone defense, because the visual is also pretty neat, and it gives me a decent add for getting spellcasted to death and beyond

[hushed mason]

Ew. You should wear shower shoes to avoid that.

[umbral girder]

You only use 5ft of movement to get up from prone. So you can shoot, run, go prone on repeat after all

[fossil hollow]

it also does not differentiate from what homebrew or misrulings it gets from Reddit, Quora, Youtube, DDB forums, etc etc

[oak grotto]

Not from Brazil. But I am a Portuguese speaker. Speaking languages other than English is against the rules though.

[urban bolt]

prone defense does the same thing :)

[umbral girder]

Also even better with a Ranger who has that extra movement speed too.

[umbral girder]

That is literally what I am typing about. I am responding to your message.

[urban bolt]

I'm confused now, i thought thatw as in refernce to the athlete feat?

[celest sail]

thinking about an undead bladelock with the new 2024 rules mmm… is a feat for medium armor worth it? or do i just have to dip fighter or just go with the “if he dies he dies”

[limber trail]

I’m also just annoyed because one time an AI decided a ring of protection should be like 20,000 gp, because, and I quote, “you can potentially wear up to ten rings of protection”

[umbral girder]

You won’t get shields but still useful to have.

A fighter level gets you more but a feat doesn’t stop your progression.

[urban bolt]

But yeah, the movement opportunities definitley have me going for prone defnse, ulitmate movement, and all attack disadvantages from 5 feet + away when sniping. Oh my gods. This character is goimng to be unstoppable.

[blissful ibex]

again, it pulls sources from people literally saying whatever they want on the internet or straight up making up nonsense itself
AI is not a reliable source for rules questions and should be avoided

[limber trail]

100% agree I’m just offering an anecdote

Let me be clear I wasn’t using the AI here my DM was

I did not want the AI to do this lol

[umbral girder]

Also enemies will have advantage on hitting you upclose.

[oak grotto]

AI bad.

[blissful ibex]

Sounds like you need a new DM

[urban bolt]

Defensive. When you have the Prone condition, you don't have Disadvantage on attack rolls. Attack roll against you doesn't have Advantage because of the Prone condition.

[limber trail]

I’ve long since left that group

[celest sail]

seems like my character would have to dodge or parry with her sword aesthetically speaking, i think i’d rather take the feat even if the dip gets me shield and con save just for rp reasons

[umbral girder]

Well con saves if you start as a fighter, not if you dip as a fighter

[urban bolt]

oh wait

I KNEW IT WAS TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE

[limber trail]

Most builds are

[urban bolt]

if i find a dm that allows level 1 feats though??? we so on

[blissful ibex]

and if you run into anything like that again, feel free to tell your DM they can find the RAW item prices in "Magic Item Rarity - Magic Item Values by Rarity" on p217 of the 5e.2024 DMG c:

[limber trail]

I do know where the prices are

[umbral girder]

What’s this from?

[blissful ibex]

more for the benefit of anyone following along as well

[limber trail]

I also will say, pricing is up to the DM’s discretion. They have the right to price items whatever they want.

[urban bolt]

Prone defense, Grim Hollow

[limber trail]

I just think this pricing was absurd and based on incorrect rulings

[severe rampart]

would it be better to multiclass into sorcerer as a level 7 bard or just to level up to level 8 and take the metamagic adept feat 🤔

[limber trail]

Metamagic adept

[umbral girder]

Ah it’s from a homebrew book. Got it.

[limber trail]

Otherwise you’re delaying progression to magical secrets which is real good to get

[celest sail]

ohhhhh i’m definitely not going to do that then lol because backstory reasons, my warlock cannot be a competent fighter prior to her pact, or maybe she can but i’d have to change a few things around

[severe rampart]

oh nah, I'm a lore bard, it's good

[umbral girder]

Yeah Grim Hollow isn’t an official book so you’ll need a dm to allow it as well for your build.

[unborn lotus]

All of my online games are 18+...
But do you reckon I'd get in trouble for agism if I said no-one over 30? 😅

[umbral girder]

Up to you

[limber trail]

No clue if you would or wouldn’t but I also impose an upper age limit on my games

[hushed mason]

Really?

[blissful ibex]

it's honnestly fine and 100% something you can impose at your table if you prefer

[umbral girder]

Do you think there are Vampires or Liches that have hangouts that say “no one under 200” or something?

[hushed mason]

You don't like us old farts?

[severe rampart]

I kind of want to dip into 3 level of sorcery, to get 2nd level sorcerer spells (Scorching Ray) so it gets affected by innate sorcery

oh right I'll go into Character Discussion

[urban bolt]

Oh yeah, that would very dependent on a dm that would allow it. And if the game is lower levels, like 4/5, then it would have to be a dm that allows a level one feat for me to have prone defense right off the bat.

[unborn lotus]

Well these are pleasant responses I thought I was at risk of being lambasted 🤣

I play with people over 30 irl and obviously have plenty of friends and coworkers in that age group

But for some reason when I play with people older than me online they end up as trouble players

I've probably had bad luck but I've had like 3 player just be a total pain in my ass and they were all mid 30s

[idle oar]

Age is one of the only things we allow for exclusions on in our LFG channels. So that's fine.

[hushed mason]

There is definitely a cultural issue with having multigenerational players.

[umbral girder]

Old DnD was a different game and community so I can see why

Difference in how they see the game and how it should be played.

[unborn lotus]

And then the 20 something's closer to my age have all been totally in sync with what I'm visioning... I think it's just a tiny generation gap that's more obvious when interacting online specifically

[limber trail]

I do. I have absolutely nothing against older players, and honestly I’d love to run a game with older players but with how my group is at the moment, we’re all like 20-25. So with that group I really want to maintain that age range, since I really like when TTRPG groups can be friends and when I can pick players with shared interests and vibes (and it’s worked great, everyone in the group has become pretty good friends!)

[blissful ibex]

I'm in a game with an age range of like 19 ~ >60 XD

real fun group

[nova sonnet]

i remember another server for dnd that allowed people to do lfg base on gender, it was kinda weird to me

[urban bolt]

True strike flurry on a hunting rifle with level 5 warlock... i can't anymore.

[hushed mason]

May women have had bad experiences with D&D. I can understand why someone might want to play a woman-only game.

[idle oar]

While understandable to create safe places to play a game (the crap femme presenting folks have to deal with) we do not allow that here.

[nova sonnet]

Oh trust me i get it, but at the same time probably not the place to recruit from then

[umbral girder]

#third-party likely has more help with Grim Hollow stuff and #character-discussion for build help and talk.

[tropic bloom]

guys give me a random monster two level 1 characters could have a challlenge against, but still a chance

[unborn lotus]

Weirdly though it's been the opposite of what I thought the stereotype would be haha
I've butt heads with players putting pets or illegal magic items in their character creation and then they call me a bad DM for not honouring rule of cool 😅

If it was grognards I'd be way more fine

[umbral girder]

Hobgoblin

[urban bolt]

This character buold has nerded me out. sorry y'all :)

[umbral girder]

Anything Cr1/2 or lower would be good for a pair of level 1 adventures

[blissful ibex]

https://donjon.bin.sh/5e/calc/enc_size.html

[umbral girder]

Uhh

Sus link

[blissful ibex]

not really

it's a tool for calculating encounter difficulty

[limber trail]

It is a pretty recognizable link from memory but yeah for 2 level 1 players you’re looking in the CR 1 range

[umbral girder]

If you got Monsters of the Multiverse I got a few

[nova sonnet]

yeah its just a CR toolk for encounters

[fossil hollow]

i prefer my good ol https://koboldplus.club/

[umbral girder]

Nupperibo is a bit of a nasty blob devil you could try

Fire Newt Warriors are silly little guys (on fire)

Skulk can be very spooky with it’s mechanics

Cockatrice can temporarily turn them to stone

[nova sonnet]

I would say do be carful at later levels if any of the characters are rogues, as in a vacuum a rogue can solo a lot of high CR stuff

[umbral girder]

Magmins are chaotic and explosive

Satyrs can cause some chaos

Those could be some options for your level 1 players

[hushed mason]

Twig Blights!

[burnt valley]

Shadows

[urban bolt]

If you take Elemental Adept, and then use True Strike on a pact weapon, would that attack ignore your chosen element resistence?

[umbral girder]

A severed Troll Limb too

[umbral girder]

#dnd-rules

[unreal crescent]

How do I send my character again without it turning into the classic dnd paper version I forgot

[hushed mason]

Sorry, Jackson. Not a clue. Hopefully someone pipe up soon.

[feral fulcrum]

Depends entirely on what thing you've used.

Google sheet, D&D beyond sheet, roll 20 sheet, so on, so forth.

[unreal crescent]

DND beyond sheet

[urban bolt]

There needs to be more homebrew settings with GUNS

[fossil hollow]

forgotten realms has guns

[urban bolt]

I'v been killed by this plague of lack of guns twice now, and my disappointment is immeasurable whilst my day is ruined.

[urban bolt]

Yeah, i'm just struggling to find a game HERE that runs 24' rules with guns.

Very tragic.

[unreal crescent]

Also if your teaching someone how to play the game what’s a good monster, I don’t wanna kill em but I also don’t want the monster to instantly die

[fossil hollow]

what level

[empty thicket]

A revolver that is your pact of blade weapon and use eldritch blasts like bullets and a knife for your hexblade

[umbral girder]

Goblins and Kobolds in small numbers

[urban bolt]

I have it set up so my main weapon is a sniper rifle (like, a hunting rifle), and in the case of close range, i dismiss it for a light [act weapon as a bonus action, and then use another as my hexblade.

[empty thicket]

Peak

[acoustic thicket]

What is going on 😭

[feral fulcrum]

Discussion.

[urban bolt]

Thank you :) I THINK i can attack three times at level 5 with one of the invocation, thirsting blade. Unless i'm wrong about that. Either way, two sniper shots of 2d10 damage is crazy

4d10 is amazing

Plus truestrike?

[fossil hollow]

Truestrike cannot be used with Thirsting Blade

[urban bolt]

Why not?

[feral fulcrum]

Because you're using a Cantrip to attack.

[umbral girder]

Thirsting blade is the Attack action.
True strike is the Magic Action

[feral fulcrum]

It's it's own Spell Attack, via a spell. Not the Attack action.

[umbral girder]

2 different actions to use.

[urban bolt]

But you're using a weapon to attack?

[umbral girder]

Its still the Magic Action to cast True Strike and NOT the Attack Action

[feral fulcrum]

You're using a Cantrip to make a Melee Spell attack with a Weapon, yes. It's a completely different action

[umbral girder]

Warlock does not have a way around this.

Only certain subclasses of other classes do.

Like Bladesinger.

[fossil hollow]

Attacking with weapon (or making an attack roll) =/= Attack action

[urban bolt]

Oh, i always forget about it being two different things.

[feral fulcrum]

It's the difference between Fighter swinging a sword four times with the Attack Action, and Wizard using the Magic Action to cast Steel Wind Strike and teleport stab several people at once.

[urban bolt]

Oh wait, i was mixing up my true strikes lmao. nvm

[feral fulcrum]

Now if you had Bladesinger, you could replace an attack with a Cantrip. Allowing you to use the Attack action, swing your sword once, then use a Cantrip to use True Strike.

[urban bolt]

huh. Not much point in true strike anyways with a pact weapon, is there...

[feral fulcrum]

2024 Truestrike is pretty good still.

[urban bolt]

Well, unless it's upgraded.

[feral fulcrum]

Adds damage, gives Advantage, gives it Radiant damage.

[eager marsh]

not when warlock gets extra attack and extra atack (2) but no hextra attack

does not give advantage

[urban bolt]

24' says nothing about advantage.

[feral fulcrum]

Was adding 2014 in my brain apperently.

[umbral girder]

It gives your spellcasting mod, not advantage last I checked.

[urban bolt]

It seems basewise, the only thing it would do as a pact of blade is just make it use radiant damage. Which i think you do anyways?

[eager marsh]

you also use charisma and not str/dex

[urban bolt]

Which pact of the blade does anyways! So yeah, this does not seem worth taking in my situation.

[feral fulcrum]

It's okay in early levels if you're not dual wielding. Or if you bumble across something that's Vulnerable to Radiant. (Which isn't exactly common)

[eager marsh]

in regards to doing both True Strike still adds 1d6/2d6/3d6 extra damage on hit when you use it at tier 2/3/4 however. Buuuuut you can take the invocations to get a second and third regular attack instead as a 2024 warlock which is the other reason its not worth mixing

[urban bolt]

Still though, 4d10 damage with a rifle and thirsting blade at level 5 is fantastic.

[eager marsh]

There are 2 2024 stat blocks with radiant vulnerability. supposedly the rules employ vulnerabilities so minimally because they wanted dm's to apply them by a whim instead

[urban bolt]

(i think? seems like alot. lol)

[eager marsh]

well a rifle isnt a weapon you are supposed to just casually have access to

[feral fulcrum]

I mean, it kind of is?

[eager marsh]

thats equivalent to a very rare magic item

[urban bolt]

Just a hunting rifle?

[eager marsh]

no it isnt. A rifle is distinctly different from te musket and pistol in teh phb

[feral fulcrum]

Certainly more then in 2014. Which was extremely fuzzy-

Ah, talking more modern rifle then just a catchall "it's a gun."

[eager marsh]

a 4d10 base damage weapon is insane and should not be available at low levels to player characters at all in a reasonably balanced game

[umbral girder]

Doesn't the rifle do 2d8 per hit?

[urban bolt]

Well, that's with the extra attack, they're naturally 2d10

[glass granite]

Even 2d10

[eager marsh]

thought you were listing base sorry. still not something that should be available normally that early

[urban bolt]

Which, yeah. It's something based on the DM discretion for sure

[umbral girder]

Ah its 2d10. Neat.

[feral fulcrum]

Eh, It's not that stupidly more potent then a Greatsword.

[eager marsh]

it's a ranged weapon with twice the base damage of a normal 2 handed ranged weapon. that's still significant

[urban bolt]

I wouldn't complain if a DM makes me down it to 2d8 or soemthing though.

[umbral girder]

Or you just dont get one.

[urban bolt]

The flavour/rp is still fantastic lol

[umbral girder]

And they say "Only your starting equipment"

[glass granite]

Could always reflavour a crossbow

[feral fulcrum]

If their DM's allowing it, it's, well, up to the DM.

[umbral girder]

Or use the musket in the PHB

[glass granite]

Indeed

[fossil hollow]

which is still a considerable d12

[eager marsh]

increasing base weapon damage is such a huge deal in game balance its why even classes that simulate enlarge restrict the bonus damage die to a single attack and the actual enlarge spell only adds 1d4 and not an extra base damage die like you do for larger monster stat blocks

[umbral girder]

yeah 2d10 is huge

[urban bolt]

IDR the original source for a hunting rifle actually, hold on

[feral fulcrum]

Looks back at 3.5 and Yearns for Size Based Damage Dice.

[fossil hollow]

cant argue with 11 avg damage per hit

[urban bolt]

Oh okay yeah just dmg

[umbral girder]

DMG chapter 3 for 2024 and somewhere in 2014.

[eager marsh]

i genuinely wish that still existed imo since it was a cool and logical condition for martials being good and encouraging casting Enlarge on them

[burnt valley]

Oversized Hunting Rifle

[umbral girder]

They are in the stuff for futuristic stuff not normally in the game

[eager marsh]

and futuristic weapons are the equivalent of a Very Rare Magic Item

[fossil hollow]

its like, several pages before the Diseases and several pages before the monster homebrew section.