dnd-discussion

[fossil hollow]

i never said a spear wouldnt hurt

[past zephyr]

im gonna go to my nearest blind person and test this

ok yeah a stick hurts

[prime basin]

i mean theoretically a zombie would have organs

now they may not function correctly but they are still organs

[reef shuttle]

Cowrabbit in the Wild West with a gun shooting cute elves just up north

[hasty coyote]

In older ed they had a lot more variety of damage for spears. As years passed they combine a lot of things to make them more simple and easier to balance. Simple weapons tend to do 1d6 while martial weapons do 1d8.

[reef shuttle]

Nah. A vampire too has organs, or dread knight. Even a lich. Only ghostly stuff like banshees or wraiths may not have organs.

[fossil hollow]

ok, yes, i got it

[limber trail]

...noting that one down

[reef shuttle]

Elementals could have organs, like ghosts…. But way more debatable

[limber trail]

in 2024 there is no limits on what creatures most healing can affect

[fossil hollow]

i know i give elementals cores. whenever an elemental dies, i always describe it breaking or shattering

[reef shuttle]

Like made from their own element. A fire liver

[fossil hollow]

... did you not know that?

[fossil hollow]

... what would a liver even do for them

[limber trail]

i can't say I did

[undone rain]

I casted smite on a ballista bolt once

[reef shuttle]

Exist. Magically

[remote wadi]

Only on thrown weapons. Ranged weapons are a no go

[fossil hollow]

might as well be a flaming appendix

[limber trail]

if a creature can be hurt and killed, then that hurt can be reversed via healing.

it's not really about the organs, it's about reversing damage

[undone rain]

Imagine casting smite on a small pebble and you throw it and just get absoloutley decked by it

[limber trail]

most constructs don't have organs, they can still be healed

[remote wadi]

Mmmm... probably not that

However, I'm 95% certain you can throw an improvised weapon and have smite from that

[undone rain]

Well what counts as an improvised weapon

[hidden spindle]

In '14, it is a Melee Weapon Attack.

I'm '24, it is an Attack with a Melee Weapon

[limber trail]

anything that isn't a simple or martial weapon, that you're attempting to use as a weapon

[remote wadi]

I.e. a table leg

[undone rain]

So i can technically cast thunderous smite on a bucket and throw it

[remote wadi]

It does go without saying for that much because you can also use a javelin without throwing it

[fossil hollow]

improvised weapons arent simple weapons

[remote wadi]

I just wanted to mention that ranged weapons like longbows would be a no go for smites

[undone rain]

But what if you do it on an arrow

And not the bow itself

[limber trail]

I would probably rule that thrown attacks with things that don't have the thrown property you can't smite on, but that's me personally

[delicate owl]

Improvised weapon smites would technically work since they are a "weapon" that is melee

[fossil hollow]

ask yourself. is it a melee weapon

[remote wadi]

Nope. Unless you can convincingly somehow use an arrow like a budget dagger

[undone rain]

I mean you can get a nice little stab but it'll probs break as soon as you hit it

[remote wadi]

So it could work if you used the arrow like a melee weapon, but you can't fire it from a bow and still smite

[fossil hollow]

... that doesnt answer my question

[undone rain]

Its a melee weapon if you use it like one

[remote wadi]

There ya go

[delicate owl]

Indeed, you'd have to stab someone with the arrow by holding it, so it'd act as an improvised weapon fo rsure.

[remote wadi]

Also, there was a bit of a humorous moment in a session I had recently

[undone rain]

Altough i wouldnt recommend it, but you can if you ever want to

[delicate owl]

The only issue here is that Improvised Weapons arent' stated to be a "melee weapon" so I'm wondering if they actually count....

They're an improvised weapno, that youc an attack with in melee, but they aren't classified as a "melee weapon" if that makes sense

[remote wadi]

Long story short, someone confused vampire and the adjacent being weak to sunlight with being weak to light as a whole

Casted Daylight and did nothing to the vampire, aside from basically flashbanging him

Ouch

[undone rain]

Couldve used a flashlight at that point lol

[delicate owl]

So yeah, in the end, I don't see smites being allowed for it, since it does specifically require a "melee weapon" and no improvised weapon is a melee weapon, just a weapon with no other classification, seemingly.

[remote wadi]

Didn't have one. But the person also could have known already, but did it for humor's sake. Concerningly, I can't tell which it is, if there even is a difference

[vital valve]

Thank you ranger!

[undone rain]

I guess it also depends if the dm allows it

[remote wadi]

No problem

[delicate owl]

Indeed!

[limber trail]

It does but using the best guess we can get at a rules interpretation it’s definitely not helping the thrown improvised weapons case

[undone rain]

Cant say ive ever had a debate on casting smite on improvised weapons like a bucket but i am satisfied with the answers lol

[vital valve]

Can't cast water breathing under water right? =w=

[feral fulcrum]

Magic Stone says hi

Yeeting weaponized pebbles has been around for some time.

[feral fulcrum]

YOu'd have to be capable of breathing underwater for that, because it's hard to say the verbal component when Drowning noises

[delicate owl]

There are no direct rules for casting spells with verbal components underwater

But, I'd imagine that you cannot hold your breathe anymore when you cast a spell using verbal components

[vital valve]

How about Drink potion of water breathing underwater?

[delicate owl]

Understanding the spell's verbal components isn't required to cast it, just that you speak in a normal speaking voice, which you can underwater.

[feral fulcrum]

Given that if you open your mouth underwater, water tends to rush in. I'm pretty sure nobody can speak normally without suffering a minor case of drowning.

[delicate owl]

You've never tried to speak underwater have you

The air coming out of your mouth prevents water from going in as you're speaking, that's how you make bubbles underwater and can indeed hear a garbled mess, althuogh muffled due ot water, you're still speaking at a normal tone lol

[feral fulcrum]

Have fun arguing that with a DM

[fossil hollow]

monks literally exist.

so does kara tur, but we dont talk about it

[glacial pulsar]

I know, but this is an expansion and focus on Qi.

[fossil hollow]

also, #homebrew

[glacial pulsar]

Oh wait I thought this was DM-discussion
it's more world building question

[fossil hollow]

youre making a mechanical system for it, so homebrew

ig you can talk lore there in dmworld

[glacial pulsar]

i meant lore wise

[undone rain]

Bards are actually very useful, no wonder i like em in bg3

I can be a frontliner, back liner, support

[feral fulcrum]

Eh, that kind of goes for most of the classes to be honest.

The only class that kind of sucks in the frontline is Sorceror. Everyone else gets options to do pretty good up in the thick of it.

5E is very generous in the playstyles you can pull off as any class.

[undone rain]

I guess but i can always be a substitute for something which is very fun

Im gonna play a zariel tiefling, free smites baby

[knotty pasture]

Backline Barb sounds tedious without magical items

[indigo coral]

Im dming for the first time ever. Is a nilbog too strong cor a sole player level 1? I want make the party start out split apart. Im not really 100% sure how CR ratings work

[limber trail]

At level 1, anything is possible. A stray crit from the nilbog and you might lose a player. Even just a good initiative roll might give the Nilbog a win

Putting it a different way: I am absolutely confident that in a 1v1 I could use a well played Nilbog to kill a level 1 player character

[indigo coral]

Yeah I kind of figured it was a good chance of a loss

Is it even worth starting at level 1? Or should I have them start higher

[limber trail]

Actually looking at the stat block: I'd give it the win nine times out of ten

[indigo coral]

I figured solely on the reversal of fortune reaction. The player would likely not win

[limber trail]

Level 1 can be a fun start, I would make sure level 1 and 2 only last like, two sessions at most each. I would also probably go easy on them, you need to understand that at level 1 the game is very swingy

[ashen grail]

Does anyone know, loosely, what the stat prio for Blood Hunters is? I feel like I take Wisdom over Intelligence for my hemocraft mod, but I'm not sure what else to prio beyond that

[limber trail]

vicious mockery, hideous laughter, confusion, any of these spells could cripple a player

[indigo coral]

Is level 3 or 5 a better starting point? Really dont mind what they start at. Most of us are all really new to dnd and I got luck of the draw to dm.

[limber trail]

generally you're usually a martial character so you want dex or strength to be high (probably your highest stat) and then a good con too

[limber trail]

I wouldn't recommend a level 5 start. I would consider level 1, 2, or 3. level 1 and 2, the benefit is that the game is pretty low complexity. You as the DM need to be careful or you might kill players, but in general it's not too bad and they work as pretty good tutorial levels

Level 3 is where a lot of characters get their identity. Subclasses come online, so new features show up, and things like level 2 spells become available. Players start to get a real build going. It can be a lot of fun but can sometimes be a bit complex for players learning how the game works - it's another thing to choose and manage

[indigo coral]

I dont want to be too hard on them or too soft. I did give them the option of making a backup character incase they die. Would just change the story and write in the back up. Im not following any specific campaign just find of making it as I go.

[limber trail]

I would say for new players go a level 1 start

[indigo coral]

The match up was going to be a nilbog vs level 1 human cleric on a ac of 11. Glad i asked first

[limber trail]

there's a great website to help you make balanced combats for your party, called https://koboldplus.club/

[reef tundra]

Kobold fight club is a life saver

[limber trail]

It shows you roughly how balanced a fight is. And yeah, just looking, a Nilbog vs a level 1 cleric is a deadly encounter

it also helps make combats for a session

[indigo coral]

Thank you! I never knew that existed and im so glad

[indigo coral]

I watched a YouTube video of animated armor vs nilbog and thought i better ask first

[limber trail]

At really low levels I would be careful with fights, and have some caution before running anything. plenty of CR 1s still have abilities which if they go off could go very badly. You aren't gonna have this problem for a very long time but also at high levels the scaling falls off, but in the opposite direction - players can do so much that they crush any remotely fair fights (CR-wise)

[severe rampart]

Are there any differences between the 2014 PHB and the 2024 version?

[hot gate]

A fair few yeah, though not many big ones.
I liken it to a "game patch"

[indigo coral]

My assumption is the team most likely wont be well rounded and balanced. Im not forcing any limitations on what they pick race and class wise. Ill keep it in mind and use that website to help myself out in this.

[limber trail]

(level 16s crushed an ecounter that was high difficulty for level 20s and was deadly for them even without the lich)

[indigo coral]

Thank you for the support.

[burnt valley]

What was the encounter roster?

[neon sandal]

I’m getting a lot of mixed information about DnD Beyond, like how it’s information is inaccurate in comparison to DnD Wiki

Do I use it or not?

[limber trail]

Hit em with a:

• Lich (ran away in round 4 or so)
• Death Knight
• 2x Death Knight Aspirants
• Shadow Dragon
• Vampire
• 3x vampire familiars
• a good 10ish warrior veterans, which were undeads

[indigo coral]

Do you use roll20 or play in a personal group? We are going to use avrae

[burnt valley]

Damn

[halcyon forum]

The information in the books on DDB is accurate and up to date. The snippets and presentation on the character sheets can be iffy sometimes

[limber trail]

I use ddb for character sheets, and play using owlbear rodeo for battle maps

[limber trail]

was a violent encounter

had players doing smth stupid like 100 damage a turn

[neon sandal]

Can you elaborate on how it can be iffy? Do you mean just presentation wise

[limber trail]

it occasionally shortens some class features to make them more readable on a character sheet. Normally that's fine, but on occasion some details are missed out on (an example I can think of is the Kensei Monk's Agile Parry, which is missing a key word (that it only works with melee weapons, not ranged weapons)

[indigo coral]

Do you allow homebrew and how do you handle it?

[limber trail]

I do not allow homebrew

It keeps things easy and honest, it's my personal preference

I do still homebrew things like magic items and monsters but that's things where I can design them, make sure they're good, I have control over the design & how they work, and I can really easily make changes where needed

[neon sandal]

Oh no, that’s troublesome

Is it just the class features? I don’t mind checking the class features on other sites but idk how accurate it’ll be, does DnD wiki have accurate information

[glass granite]

What class are you referring to?

There are some pages where you should have the full accurate information

[coarse carbon]

You can always just borrow the book from your local library if you're US-based! Free and legal and easy :]

[glass granite]

Each core class (not every subclass, you need the books for that) is available online tho
Artificers not included

[limber trail]

So you do always have access to the full rules text - you can click on a feature and it'll show you everything, what I'm referring to is only the previews of abilities on a character sheet

If you have access to a feature on DnD beyond you also will be able to go and directly open up a digital copy of the rule book that it comes from, which has the exact wording too

[neon sandal]

Unfortunately not, I’m on an island out in the sea

Thank you guys for this information

[indigo coral]

@limber trail my player wants to attempt the encounter with her alternative character 🤣

[sleek cedar]

hey guys i got a quick question regarding campaigns

so i’ve only played a bit of one campaign years ago online via roll20 and like many others got exposure via stranger things and bg3. i’m an artist and worldbuilder and i’m really interested in writing modules, ideally as a career if that’s even feasible. do people ever buy campaigns like that, or is it all just shared for free? i don’t really know what’s standard so i wanted to pick some brains about it. thanks in advance

[neon sandal]

Where do I find more information about the dices of DnD

I FOUND IT GANG

[glass granite]

?tag new dice

[cosmic roost]

Dice

Dice add randomness to the game. The 20-sided die (d20) is the most important one you’ll use. When the outcome of an action is uncertain, the game uses D20 Tests to determine success or failure. The higher your roll, the more likely it is that you succeed. The most common use for dice other than the d20 is to determine damage.

When you need to roll dice, the rules tell you how many dice to roll of a certain type, along with any numbers to add or subtract. For example, “3d8 + 5” means you roll three eight-sided dice, add them together, and add 5 to the total.

[glad arch]

Dont think youll find anything specific but its generally not too complex
D20, will be used a lot to make (nearly?) Any check (attack, saving throw, ability)
D4, d6, d8, d10, d12, d100 will tell you when they need to be used

[sleek cedar]

also i’ve asked about this previously and got drowned out by chat so if i don’t get any responses to this i’ll probably end up asking again later or tomorrow or something

[neon sandal]

Platonic smooch
Thank you

[glad arch]

Nvm there is something specific...

[glad arch]

Np

[neon sandal]

Can someone explain to me what a difficulty class is and use an example as to how I would use that in a campaign as a dm

[glass granite]

DC (difficulty class) is the number after modifiers you have to roll to perform something successfully for skill checks and saving throws
For example, if I want to do a backflip, the DM may tell me to do an acrobatics check (with a DC of, say, 10)
If I roll at or above a 10 after modifiers, I do the backflip

[real thunder]

Adding to what the other person said
The modified are based of a list of skills the players have
In any skill most of your players will have around a +1 modifyer for any stats they aren't prioritising and then a higher one for stats they are
Usaly for there main skill they will have a +3,4 or 5 with either 1 or 2 times their proficency bonus added to it

[neon sandal]

Can you dumb down the last part of this a litttttle more for me please

Oh wait

You get proficiency bonuses from background stuff & classes right?
Does dnd beyond do the math for you on that one

Can you give me an example that would result in a proficiency bonus being up to +5?

[real epoch]

hii all

[real thunder]

There's a list of different skills and each player will be better at different ones u can probably tell which based of class
(rouge will probably have high slight of hand and stealth, bard usually has high persuasion and performance ect)

[real thunder]

For +5 that would probably be +3 from main skill and +2 from low level proficency bonus

[neon sandal]

Ohhhh I get it
Thank you

[sick summit]

Day 8 of saying building sized cats should be a thing both irl and in D&D

[humble cairn]

Cats are murder machines, building sized ones would absolutely kill humans just for fun.

[proper shoal]

I've got the PHB, DMG and Monster manual, are there any other source books that are worth the money? Id love to get the digital versions but there's no way to justify 30 quid for a PDF file

[glass granite]

Are you a DM or player?

Overall though, I think those three should be fine

[glad arch]

Tashas and xanathar are nice to have but not needed

[proper shoal]

My whole group share the books

[proper shoal]

What's in them?

[glad arch]

More subclasses, optional rules

Theyre suplimentary books that are often used

[glad arch]

*spells, feats

[proper shoal]

For 2024 or is it 2014?

[glad arch]

They were published alongside the 2014 books, but as all things are backwards compatible with 2024

[stiff rock]

The only 2024 supplements so far are heroes of faerun & forge of the artificer afaik

[humble cairn]

The only 5E books that are not current with the 2024 materials are the 2014 Core books.

[night blade]

Guys im looking for a DM that has resources for storm kings thunder because my previous dm had to cut it short. They'll need to be an unpaid dm. For the players its the first campaign for some and second for others. We're all lvl 4 using milestones to level up. If anyone can DM pls reply back to this message. We have a server because it is an online campaign. If someone can DM then you are more than welcome to reply to this message and let me know. Thank you

[glad arch]

#looking-for-dm

[glass granite]

Please don’t send a link without context

[glad arch]

I may also suggest one of the players taking over dm'ing if thats at all an option

[night blade]

How do I request on there

[severe rampart]

Go to #find-a-game

[livid owl]

#dnd-arts-and-crafts message

Hmm. Is she too scary to use as a PC

[glass granite]

I’d say too monster like

[limber trail]

I mean it doesn’t really seem like a PC generally. Not sure what playable species that would even be

[silk hare]

I mean an item that disguises them solves that problem mostly no?

[livid owl]

See, that notion bothers me.
Dragonborn technically look like some of the fiercest creatures in DND, but they're not usually an issue visually because people are desensitized to dragons in media. . .

[silk hare]

no, but dragonborns are HUMANOID, its essentially like a disfigured human thingy, that is just a fish

[glad arch]

Id argue theres quite a difference between a dragomborn and that

[livid owl]

Deepborn, crooked moon! Or any reflavored aquatic race really . I chose deepborn because they're aberrations and do not have the humanoid tag

[silk hare]

An eel isnt comparable to a monkey, and the monkey is not just accepted to be more closely related bc we are desensizied by media containing it

theres physical traits that are similar in certain aspects, if even only in stature and movement

[glass granite]

Yeah, Dragonborn (and PC’s in general) are usually humanoid and can somewhat be distinguished as a person.
That species doesn’t quite reach that standard characteristic for me

[limber trail]

Whether something like that is within the bounds of an acceptable character is really up to the DM & individual group

[glass granite]

I’d say the biggest exceptions are thri keen and plasmoid, though at least they’re vaguely humanoid/bipedal

[livid owl]

I despise vanilla DnD's humanoid fever and for a character that is supposed to be otherworldly, it should seem unfamiliar

[humble cairn]

Centaurs are not bipeds.

[limber trail]

It’s probably a bit too non-peoplelike for my tastes & setting but if you play with a group who likes it, rhags awesome

[knotty pasture]

Dragonborns also felt like giant lizards moreso than actual stereotypical dragons

[glass granite]

You can run whatever you wish in your game, and request whatever you wish, it’s just not to my preference

[knotty pasture]

Doesn't have that aura to them

[silk hare]

sure, but you also have to consider that dnd, and most fantasy media takes great inspiration from mythology and folklore, and people there often saw and or came up with, humanoids

[limber trail]

It’s a question to me of whether the group would allow you ti play someone who is otherworldly in that way

[silk hare]

(for the "saw" I meant disfigurements etc that made them come up with monsters and the likes)

(like horn formations etc, scaling of the skin, ....)

[limber trail]

I’ve for sure rejected player characters who’ve been too extreme to seem like a regularish character. Those were a lot more extreme than this case but it’s still worth considering

Might be a thing to figure out with your DM

[livid owl]

I feel like with appearance, as long as it's not affecting anything mechanically anything's fair game.

But- obviously. It depends on setting and world. I would not approach A low fantasy setting with something like this

[limber trail]

Varies from setting to setting and DM to DM

[livid owl]

And there are games that exist with DMs insisting on nothing further than a human with pointy ears

[glass granite]

Which is fine.
It’s their game

[livid owl]

Indeed, just not what I'd join

[silk hare]

I mean sure, but why play something extraordinary if it doesnt change anything yk?

something will usually change gameplaywise

even if its "Just" the interaction with the world , npcs etc

[glass granite]

Yeah, including the party seeing your form and likely immediately assuming you’re a monster

[livid owl]

I don't really care for optimaxxing is the thing. Any 'powers' would come from the class/species traits

[silk hare]

yes thats fine, what Im getting at is that RP IS one of the CORE mechanics of the game, saying "as long as no mechanics change its fine" is a bit redundant here bc A: monstrosities have mechanics in the game that are outlined here and there
B: interactions and RP opportunities would still change
Or C: the dm would have to adjust the entire world setting for any of those things to not happen

(at least assuming you want a coherrent story that makes sense to some extent)

(so again, its fine as long as the dm is ok with it and works with it/ builds around it)(similar to like anything else within dnd)

[livid owl]

Yeah your last note came in while I was typing which is why I didn't see it right away

Anyways . Yes the roleplay aspect would change and to call it a mechanic I suppose is valid. When I hear mechanics I think the stats and combat aspects of the game which is why I didn't interpret that the way you meant it originally

A: ...I don't get this one actually because monstrosity is a creature tag associated with your race. In this case she's an Aberration (Deepborn, crooked moon) so.... Yes?

B. I find that engaging

C. I honestly would never ask that if someone unless they seem interested in doing so

To expand upon B., I get the issue

[silk hare]

yeah thats totally fine, just saying mechanics would explicitly change

[limber trail]

So worth knowing, deepborn do not look like that. Deepborn still look generally humanoid, similar to something like a sahuaguin.

[livid owl]

NPCs aggroing immediately is a consequence of being an unfamiliar species

Arguably the same goes for playing goblins in settings where goblins are considered unwaveringly hostile

In a way , I feel that joining with a species that is allowed in the world should imply the species is at least known of in the setting- unless it's Like. Strahd. Where anything gets sucked in at random.

Anyways this is all hypotheticals to drum up conversation BUT I do like having these conversations because I like seeing people's stances on weirder approaches to DnD

[silk hare]

yeah and that "hostile on sight" is kind of the "issue" I was getting at with "A"

[glass granite]

Tbh my main question is how do they walk

They don’t got no legs

[silk hare]

I mean snakes can also move, same as e.g. human cells theres movement there

by adhering to a surface, and moving those parts of the body e.g. like actin filaments

[livid owl]

There is (1) official image I can find of Deepborn and to say everyone must follow the official material designs is kinda goofy? Not calling you goofy, just the concept

Just a look in the art channel and there's lots of unofficial designs out thar

I took the 'aberration' tag and made it. Actually aberrant.

[glass granite]

Fair, plus there’s yuan ti ig

[silk hare]

yeah that was the snakes part, should have specified tho xD

[real epoch]

f something’s hostile on sight it kills any nuance no room for tension, misreads or character choices it’s just combat starts now which sounds like what you were pushing back against with A.

[livid owl]

Tha slitherer

[silk hare]

yes, A,B and C were the issues I had with the character design

aka mechanical change which would limit and or change how RP a core mechanic works within the scope of DND

[glass granite]

Give them flight from a spell or subclass feature and it’ll be terrifying

[silk hare]

make them an abberant mind sorcerer

[livid owl]

Tha flier....

[glass granite]

Exactly my thought

[silk hare]

with their class features they just become more human over time, bc its abberant to them

[undone rain]

Dear god i love bards now

[livid owl]

Actually would go hard
Sadly I'm committed to Fathomless Warlock

[livid owl]

THAT is hilarious actually

[real epoch]

oh I got it so you want change but you can't do

[silk hare]

you would also get "abberant flight" with high enough lvls

[livid owl]

High level DND is an alien concept to me as no campaign ever seems to last that long

[undone rain]

Oh sweet zariel tieflings get smites

[knotty pasture]

It can always start really high level

[livid owl]

I so RARELY see games like that though 😭

And if I do they're usually all combat

[silk hare]

I mean yeah high lvls are where things become a bit abstract, but it CAN be fun

[knotty pasture]

Chains of Asmodeus is a level 11-20 campaign for example

[real epoch]

At that point it’s not just flavor or lore anymore it’s a mechanical change that reshapes how RP and interaction work at a core D&D level especially around agency escalation and choice

[silk hare]

yes, exactly my point

[knotty pasture]

I always found it one of the weaker Tiefling subclasses 😔

[undone rain]

Really? Shame

[knotty pasture]

Actually nvm its middle of the ground, my bad

[real epoch]

alright

[knotty pasture]

7/12th

[undone rain]

I have a hard time picking races for my bard

Everything is so cool that i just cant pick

[knotty pasture]

Can't go wrong with Asmodeus Tieflings

[silk hare]

custom lineage or MoP

[undone rain]

Huh

[real epoch]

All good 😄 Middle ground takes happen honestly that usually means you thought it through properly

[silk hare]

MoP=mark of passage (depending on version that means human)

[undone rain]

Ig custom lineage?

[silk hare]

you can just make it any race really without any of the races mechanical benefits, so I guess you still ahve to choose?

but it gives you a stronger build overall bc u get a free feat

[undone rain]

Yeahh ik they dont matter too much its just hard to pick

Every race is so unique is all that i have a hard time choosing

[silk hare]

depending on if you are playing 2014 or 2024 race absolutely matters

(from a min maxing perspective ofc)

[undone rain]

2024

[real epoch]

You still technically choose a race for flavor identity but by dropping the racial mechanics and grabbing a free feat you end up with a stronger more flexible build overall It’s basically a power for customization trade that skews in the player’s favor

[real thunder]

Just pick the one with the most mechanical be if it's for your character

[silk hare]

. literally the next message yeah

[undone rain]

Idk so many races so many to pick

I like everything

[silk hare]

do you have a dm yet?

and if so did they say which books/ source materials are allowed?

[knotty pasture]

Deep Gnome

[undone rain]

Oh yeah everythings figured out dw about that

[knotty pasture]

Stout or Lotusden Halfling

[silk hare]

just checking, bc in the "base" dnd a lot of people run the choices are limited to like 20 so its easier to choose

[undone rain]

A tortle perhaps?

[livid owl]

Yeah
Typically if you have a species in mind it's best to ask if it's even allowed before joining a campaign

Which is fine here since everything is worked out but . General advice

Mata mata tortle do itttt

[undone rain]

Ill need to take a quick look on em they sound cool

[silk hare]

depending on class, they are a really good pick bc u just get a flat 17 AC

[livid owl]

Oh that's not like, a subspecies of tortle I was just giving a turtle species to base your tortle off of

Mata mata turtles are so goofy

[undone rain]

Well ill be a bard im thinkin

[silk hare]

then thats not too bad yeah

you get fairly high AC or at least in "okay" territorry by picking tortle

[livid owl]

Iirc tortles still have 30ft of running speed
Which is crazy to me you'd think they'd have like 25

[silk hare]

I mean turtles can be really fast

[undone rain]

And they also have shell defense

Giving me an extra ac incase

[silk hare]

yeah but u cant do anything while inside

or basically nothing Ig

[undone rain]

Yeah i mean its more for like a very dangerous situation

[silk hare]

at that point its better to disengage and move away

or use a spell such as misty step to tp out

[livid owl]

Oh I just thought of something

Champion Challenge + shell retreat and just be a tether for enemies while your team picks them off from afar

That is, of course for Oath of the Crown Paladins

[undone rain]

Now to think of what subclass.

[silk hare]

depends on how your dm rules the whole "that you can see" part

[undone rain]

Thankfully there arent 16 of em so

[silk hare]

bc at activation, yes you can see them, once u go inside your shell you kinda cant

[livid owl]

Wouldn't it only affect the actual casting?

Once the spell/effect is in place it's not really targeting anymore it's just. In effect

I guess like you said it'd be up for DM discretion

[undone rain]

Hmm which subrace to pick

[limber trail]

which species are you?

[silk hare]

Id also rule more in favor of what you said, but also once you pull that kind of stunt the dm will just pull out saving throw stuff I guess

[undone rain]

Tortle

[livid owl]

They meant subclass I'm 80% sure since tortles don't have subraces. I thought they don't anyways

[limber trail]

I didn't realize they get a subrace

[limber trail]

yeah lol was 97% sure

[undone rain]

Well thats weird

Then what is a razorback tortle

[livid owl]

Wha
Where are you seeing such things?

[undone rain]

Look just forget it, im going tortle

[silk hare]

also #character-discussion

[reef shuttle]

Cute

[knotty pasture]

Ah razorback tortle is homebrew, I saw where you got it from

[undone rain]

Ooooo

[drowsy ermine]

I think I'm experiencing the "Bad DnD is worse than no DnD" axiom in real life.

[proper shoal]

I may be being thick but I bought the DnD Ultra pro character folio. It says I comes with a notebook but I cannot find said notebook. Anyone have any ideas? I've searched all the pockets

[real epoch]

Oof yeah 😬 That one hits hard when you’re living it bad D&D can drain the joy way faster than just not playing at all

[livid owl]

Oh no
Get OUT of there buddy it's not worth it!!

[drowsy ermine]

I've gamed with the same group for a few years now and it's gotten really bad lately. I think the DM is so afraid people will have a bad time that he's rubberized everything.

[livid owl]

Ohhh that hurts

YEARS?!

[glass granite]

Have you brought this up?

[livid owl]

Like has there been a lot of player turnover? ^ but yeah communication is your first move

[drowsy ermine]

Yeah, we've had a couple meetings about various things in the past, but I don't think anyone else really cares. People are just happy to say that they play DnD.

[real epoch]

Yeah that’s rough 😔
When a DM rubber bands everything to avoid discomfort it actually kills stakes and trust That ohhh that hurts is real you want challenge not a padded room

[drowsy ermine]

We cured a person's petrification with wishful thinking and encouragement a couple weeks back, heh

It's funny, you come to a place like this thinking you're going to ask for advice, but when you start typing it up it's painfully clear what you need to do.

[livid owl]

Yeah 😔

[wooden patio]

In what channel would it be appropriate to ask for feedback on a homebrew race?

[knotty pasture]

That's even better, anything that helps you make up your mind

[livid owl]

#homebrew

[wooden patio]

Ah, didn't have it visible

[limber trail]

Is this something you've spoken to your DM & group about?

[livid owl]

VERY fair there's so many invisible channels in this server

[drowsy ermine]

Yeah, and it's not just this, in all honesty. It's a smaller group and people routinely announce that they're not coming or the game is canceled 15 minutes before go time, so there's some real issues to hash out. I don't think it's something that can be fixed at this point. It's one of those things where once the resentment appears it doesn't go away easily.

That's probably enough venting/ranting from me, heh.

[limber trail]

yeah that's really fair, sometimes games do just go like that & it's very reasonable to leave if you've hit that point

[shrewd grotto]

what'd be the weight of a fullmetal 7' tall warforged?

[silk hare]

what kind of metal

[shrewd grotto]

cuz he is more destrous than strong, like, calistenics strong? 20 dex 14 strenght and con

[silk hare]

and whats the width

[blissful dragon]

depends on material one made of stone or steel is heavy that a wood base one i would imagine

could say their made of a mitheral alloy and be 80 pounds

[shrewd grotto]

likely steel with adamantine parts, due to the subclass

[blissful dragon]

maybe 160 then

[shrewd grotto]

lemme google how much is a pound lol

[silk hare]

eh Im to lazy to do the math and find average measurements

[shrewd grotto]

i weigh more than that, 160 is too low, isnt it?

[silk hare]

but all you have to do is take height x width x depth, calc arms seperately Id say

and then use the density of the material you wanted

[shrewd grotto]

oh that's too much math

[silk hare]

its like 4 multiplications if even

[blissful dragon]

to be honest i dont know what people are meant to weight math wise

[shrewd grotto]

imma go with 200 pounds cuz souds theasible

[silk hare]

density*volume = mass

so by assuming your character is a box more or less and neglecting a bit of accuracy its easy to calc

[blissful dragon]

yeah i think some warforged tend to be 300 range

[glass granite]

Size. Your size is Medium. To set your height and weight randomly, start with rolling a size modifier.
Size modifier = 2d6
Height = 5 feet + 10 inches + your size modifier in inches
Weight in pounds = 270 + (4 x your size modifier)

I assume max seems to be 318

[simple canopy]

So to play online dnd what are the requirements do I need something specific

I have never played by the way

[glass granite]

You need:
a device
A group
To know the rules
To be a decent person (else your groups won’t last long)

[minor cargo]

Honestly, not much!

I've done online D&D with just a voice call. We had our own character sheets and stuff and we just talked it out.

These days we use a "virtual table top" that let's us share a map/images/tokens, that keeps our sheets in the cloud, and plays music and stuff. We also use a video call so we can see each others' faces! Though again, this isn't a requirement, just a nice to have. ✌️

[simple canopy]

So two questions are virtual table top just on PC and are they pricey

[glass granite]

1. no
2. many are free

[livid slate]

Why do no classes work on Constitution? Like except echo fighter and gaining health or maintaining concentration,there is no class where the main ability is TRULY Constitution, is there a reason for that?

[knotty pasture]

Because, as a friend of mines put it, constitution is kind of like a tax you need to pay to be effective in combat

Otherwise you can just shove all your stat points into the 2 stats that matter and just be done with it

[livid slate]

Could there be a class that works with Constitution at some point? I envision maybe something like barbarian except it takes a lot of physical effort to keep it at bay

[knotty pasture]

Unlikely I think

[livid slate]

Dang, sad

[knotty pasture]

Even Barb doesn't focus on con as their first stat

[livid slate]

I can think of echo fighters doing that, out of that pretty much nothing

[knotty pasture]

You only break even at 20 con against half plate in AC if you decide to not wear armor

[glass granite]

Yeah a con based class would be the most single-ability-dependent class

[knotty pasture]

Do Echo Knights even care that much about con again?

Like sure they're still Fighters you want 14 con at least but I wouldn't go out of my way to stack 18 con for example

[livid slate]

Is that really that much of an issue?

[livid slate]

Funny spam attack

[knotty pasture]

Its a balancing issue at the very least for something that skips having to pay this tax

[copper crane]

Guys am i the only who just learned today that warlocks suck butt?
Like actually why would i ever play a warlock over a wizard

[knotty pasture]

The only other class that skips this tax is a Druid that is on Wild Shape 24/7

[livid slate]

Warlock are pretty good wdym

[meager fractal]

Warlocks are great

[knotty pasture]

But that's not really playing Druid right lol

[silk hare]

see if you compare stuff to a wizard, everything sucks, they are the "strongest" class in the game

[copper crane]

a lvl 20 warlock has less lvl 5 spell slots than a lvl 20 wizard has 5 or higher

[knotty pasture]

I mean Wizards are #1 sure but Warlocks sit closely behind at #2

... What is with everyone calling Warlock bad on this server these days?

[silk hare]

warlocks can be quite good if you build them right

[copper crane]

and sorcerer and druid and cleric and every other spell caster

[meager fractal]

They get their spells back on a short rest though

[stuck shuttle]

Yeah that's because they get them back way faster

[livid slate]

Thats normal

[stuck shuttle]

Plus invocation customization for a solid amount of at-will leveled spells

[knotty pasture]

Incredible burst damage output, probably the most flexible multiclass option, very good control spells

[glass granite]

Yeah cuz they’re not a regular caster
They have invocations, get their spells back on a short rest, the best offensive cantrip in the game…

[silk hare]

okay, are MUCH worse than wizards if you get into the numbers and everything, wizard is uncontested at #1

[livid slate]

1 they get it back faster
2 they get access to spamming spells
3 they do a lot of damage
4 your not really meant to use too many spell slots

[knotty pasture]

Eldritch Blast is an artstyle

[copper crane]

but it still cant compare to stuff like wish or fricking any other lvl 9 spell i get the idea was to have big powerful bursts but at higher lvl they feel like they cant compete

[meager fractal]

Warlocks are just built different from other casters is all.

[silk hare]

again, you are comparing apples to oranges

[copper crane]

how so?

[silk hare]

"why is the bxm bike not faster than the bugatti on a highway?"

[knotty pasture]

The echo extra attack is dependent on con? Regardless its better to stack str/dex cuz you at least hit harder per hit instead of tickling the enemy more times

[silk hare]

they just work VERY differently and excel in different kinds of situations

[glass granite]

They can cast 9th level spells tho. Mystic Arcanum

[copper crane]

am i an idiot?

[livid slate]

I will admit a friend told me that, I might be wrong.

[undone rain]

Warlocks are great ngl

[glass granite]

Level 11: Mystic Arcanum
Your patron grants you a magical secret called an arcanum. Choose one level 6 Warlock spell as this arcanum.

You can cast your arcanum spell once without expending a spell slot, and you must finish a Long Rest before you can cast it in this way again.

As shown in the Warlock Features table, you gain another Warlock spell of your choice that can be cast in this way when you reach Warlock levels 13 (level 7 spell), 15 (level 8 spell), and 17 (level 9 spell).

Whenever you gain a Warlock level, you can replace one of your arcanum spells with another Warlock spell of the same level.

You can cast spells at 9th level

[copper crane]

yup definitevely an idiot

[silk hare]

• warlock doesnt live from high spell slot lvls, but all the other class featuers usually

[knotty pasture]

Oh you are right, Unleash Incarnation does scale off con

Would still only keep it at 14 con though

[silk hare]

e.g. some warlock subclasses get free magical flight, which is broken in on itself

[copper crane]

yeah but i feel like i might be playing a crappy patron than

[glass granite]

I’d consider 16 con, but yeah it’s not allll too important

[copper crane]

my warlock just feels weak and im realizing its probably my fault

[knotty pasture]

If you picked Genie or Undead you're safe

[livid slate]

If your trying to do as much damage your playing echo wrong anyways

[copper crane]

hexblade?

[knotty pasture]

Echo does have excellent nuke potential

[silk hare]

just means you built the warlock wrong 🤷

a warlock trying to imitate a wizard will be much worse than a wizard

[glass granite]

Mayhaps, cuz they’re really not bad in the slightest

[silk hare]

falls off after lvl 1 or lvl 2

[copper crane]

ooff

[silk hare]

compared to other subclasses

hexblade is more a multiclass dip if you are trying maximize your build

e.g. other cha casters for armor proficiency etc

[copper crane]

yeah ig i weas coming from paladin and saw ooohh shiny

[silk hare]

but they can still be "good" depending on how u define good, especially at low-mid opt tables

[glass granite]

Hexadins or 2024 pact of the blade paladins are very nice

[knotty pasture]

At level 12 you can attack up to 8 times in a turn per long rest if you stack Unleash Incarnation and Action Surge as Echo Knight?

[copper crane]

like i get u can probably get away with anything in a relatively low combat campaign

[shrewd grotto]

common eberrony magic items
i have absolutely no idea of what to get for my monk

[copper crane]

right u dont always have to follow meta

[knotty pasture]

Above average if multiclassing, average if monoclassing

Falls off pretty hard after level 1, its definitely more cool than good when monoclassing

[silk hare]

not low combat, low optimization

[copper crane]

wdym?

[copper crane]

I tend to agree lmfao

[silk hare]

just bc you have a lot of combat doesnt mean the characters are optimized

aka: you didnt pay a lot of attention to "powerlevels" of classes, crunching numbers, optimal spell, race and feat choices etc

[copper crane]

yeah ik i mkinda new

but yeah i feel that

[silk hare]

that would be optimization as done in #optimization

campaigns that play like that usually are MUCH harder, aka if you have a module that e.g. says X number of enemies fight the party of X players, such tables usually 2-10x the number of enemies to even have a challenge

[shrewd grotto]

yall got any ideas?

[silk hare]

spellwrought tattoo

its 1 time use, can help/save you tho, RAW you have infnite healing for 24 h if u pick goodberry

you could also pick shield or sth and use that in a dire situation tho

[copper crane]

anyway thanks for clearing stuff up

[shrewd grotto]

he a warforged tho, i don't think he'd choose goodberry, and he alr have that one eberron thingy that changes appearences, and i'm already getting cool tattoos from that

wanted something cool, don't need to be useful or anything

[silk hare]

cape of bellowing

[shrewd grotto]

oh shit, that's perfect

[glass granite]

Billowing*

[shrewd grotto]

or an smoldering armor

[silk hare]

yup u right xD, idk I always think of "bellow" when i think of the cape and I get those mixed up constantly lmao

[shrewd grotto]

i asked the dm for a homebrew cosmetic modification, to make him warm to the touch

life-like warm, that is, idk the word in english

[wet stream]

since ppl hate breaking concentration to cast hunters mark on ranger (or vice vers), maybe HM could be reworked, the idea being that if you break concentration on HM for casting another conc spell, you deal bonus damage or smth. And vice versa. like HM damage dice * (the level of the conc spell + 1)， so that Hunters' mark concentration juggling becomes an actual game mechanic.

[fathom gate]

blows up pancakes with mind

[shrewd grotto]

ngl, as my starting magic item, i might go for spellbound weapon, and slap hunters mark on my gun

up to 6x a day, i'm a monk, get a d6 back on dawn

yes they can break my con but i have a decent save, +3 isnt bad or anything

and we have a barbarian and a paladin to take most of the heat

i'm between this and the elven boots that make my steps silent

[silk hare]

are you a stealthy monk?

[shrewd grotto]

i mean, i do have a +5 in dex

and we might have to sneak in a fortress or somehting, at least that's what i'm getting from the campaign vibes

also, i think it's decently funny a warforged running and climbing on metal surfaces completely silently

[severe rampart]

I have a DnD session in 3 hours and I'm starting to fall asleep, any tips?

[minor cargo]

Take a nap. :)

[severe rampart]

Yep, hopefully I wont wake up in a puddle of sweat and 5 hours after the session ended

[worn lagoon]

if it wasn't so late for the asians, trust me i'd delay the session

[limber trail]

that's a tough setup because as a monk you've already got such a heavy bonus action economy as is

[worn lagoon]

well, east asians, yours truly is also asian

[fathom gate]

Im writing boblin the goblin in my dnd world, it’ll be great

[minor cargo]

Depending on how your body reacts to it, a "coffee nap" might work for you. 👀

That's where you drink a cup of coffee and start to relax, then nap for 20-40 minutes. By the time you wake up, the caffeine will have already started to disrupt your "tired" signals.

I have definitely done that before a D&D session that was scheduled right after a really, really rough day at work.

[wet stream]

alternative ranger fix. 'Hunter's mark damage -> 1d12' as the capstone. Literally +3 damage per attack aint even that bad roflmao. Like, +2 is just mid though

[shrewd grotto]

i mean, it's one bonus action in the start of the fight (or before hand), and 90f range

how clunky can that be, am i right?

[severe rampart]

If you delay the campaign, Tarkus will kill you

[severe rampart]

Hell I'll drink multiple cups

[limber trail]

That bonus action is nice to use on flurry of blows

[knotty pasture]

Coffee is good-

[shrewd grotto]

we lvl 5 rn, so turn 1 i'm loosing 2d8 (if i hit both atks) but getting 2d6, and then every subsequent turn geting up to 4d6. Ye, i miss flury, but ngl looking mighty fine

[meager fractal]

Energy drinks

[undone rain]

I think tortle was the right option for a bard. Im satisfied with my race pick

[jovial shadow]

5th level and you have +5 Dex? You can use your Monk bonus unarmed strikes/FoB's bonus action while you have HM active.

[limber trail]

Your table may differ in design and so have more or less enemies in an encounter but consider that probably every other turn you are also repositioning that hunter’s mark, as a bonus action

[meager fractal]

You could even go college of dance and flavor your unarmed strikes as koopa shellbashing xd

[undone rain]

Lol i think ill go valor but ill keep that in mind

[severe rampart]

Oh my god it's Master Oogway

[undone rain]

Lol almost, just missing the quarterstaff

[remote wadi]

Nah. Oogway without a monk is not Oogway

[limber trail]

weirdly i can see bardster oogway

[remote wadi]

Bardster being...

[tropic plank]

Oogway is a level 20 monk who respeced into bard after beating Kai

[limber trail]

bard master oogway

[remote wadi]

Oh. Thought that was a class combo

[limber trail]

I think in his earlier years monk yeah but i could see him having just bardic inspirations and being super focused on supporting allies

[remote wadi]

Bard could make a bit of sense, but not being adept in unarmed combat or having Charisma over Wisdom is a bit of a stretch

Speaking of animals... I'll go ask #character-discussion on an idea i had

[shrewd grotto]

the entire table rolled high as balls, i got an 18, 17, 16, 16, 14 and 6 on the dice

16 ⟵ [6, 5, 5, 3] 4d6dl1
13 ⟵ [5, 4, 4, 1] 4d6dl1
14 ⟵ [6, 4, 4, 2] 4d6dl1
16 ⟵ [6, 5, 5, 3] 4d6dl1
14 ⟵ [6, 6, 2, 1] 4d6dl1
11 ⟵ [5, 3, 3, 2] 4d6dl1

the most "tame" atribute score rolls above ^

but that's the paladin's, so he kinda deserves this ngl

[hidden spindle]

Handwaiving food, water, ammunition, & carrying capacity might've done more harm to Exploration pillar than the books themselves.

[shrewd grotto]

the player consistently starts campaigns with multiple 18s and/or 20s, for once he's the low-ball

[remote wadi]

Yeah, that is why if I were to buff player stats, it would be either point buy or a relatively tame rolling system

[shrewd grotto]

i enjoy daggerheart's system of atributes

[remote wadi]

Explain

[shrewd grotto]

no 0->30, -5 -> +10

[remote wadi]

What?

[tropic plank]

I’m having a headache just looking at that

[shrewd grotto]

lemme grab the book word for word, i might replacement word, i forgot the server is pg something uo

[remote wadi]

How do you think I feel? I got off a 12 hour shift. Half tempted to be a lizardfolk having a stroke reading that

[delicate owl]

Daggerheart should be discussed in #non-dnd-topics

[shrewd grotto]

that's dnd's tho, atributes go from 0 to 30, modifiers from -5 to +10,

if i were to improve it, i'd just hand out modifiers, why do i need to look at my 17 charisma and math that it's a +3 (ik after 10 secconds of playing it becomes automatic, but still)

just see my 4 inteligence and "Oh, right, it's a +4"

or my -2 dex and "oh damn, it's -2"

going from full numbers that give modifiers to simply "number = what you add/subtract" would be better, IMO

half feats wouldnt be an issue, instead of gunner giving +1 to dex, why not +1 to gun-related rolls? why does shooting a gun very well let me stealth better?

wait, i might start using this in my games

[marble lion]

I think it might be to unify as many things as possible around the scope of 20

Also some things compare a d20 roll to the stat, not modifier, especially in older editions maybe idk

Its hard to judge dnd system like that without studying the first few versions too

[shrewd grotto]

it doesnt need to be retro-compatible tho, it could be added like point buy, an option

idr if point buy is mentioned in the phb

[marble lion]

It doesnt have to be no

But if its as automatic as you say, changing it isnt necessary either

[shrewd grotto]

ye, to me, my friend's been playing dnd for a couple of months now and still asks how much's his con modificer (he might be dumb, but still)

idk, it really sounds like an easy solution, just streamline it to "mod = stat"

am i mising something?

[still plover]

https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/dnd/br-2024/creating-a-character#GenerateYourScores

[tall forge]

8 days

[hot marlin]

Well, first off, the actual attribute score is used by some rules rather than the modifier

[tall forge]

I get to play in a campaign, free from the forever dm curse

Going absolutely feral rn

[hot marlin]

For example, someone with 15 strength and someone with 14 strength have the same damage on their longsword attacks, but different carrying capacities.

(And if someone says "yeah but everyone ignores carrying capacity" or any variation of that sentence, I will burn the planet down and leave naught but ashes on which you will cry)

(BTW, did you know that I am not a fiend?)

[glad arch]

Nobody uses it though tbf... (for legal reasons this is a joke)

[modern scroll]

Figured asking this in worldbuilding might not make sense as its more or so , will this make things easier or harder if i do it
Should i make a map for my campaign before starting , I have most of the regions vaguely described in a sentence or 2 and what rules them but will making the map kind of restrict my creativity or will it be good help if i just go for it?

(for context , im yet to pitch the campaign to the player or at least the 3 people i KNOW will participate)

[marble lion]

I think carrying capacity would be just fine with being calculated differently if it made the stats more direct

[short glade]

I do a slot based carry system, basically I’ll let you carry what you want if you can explain to me reasonably how you are carrying it.

[tropic plank]

I carry the sword in my mouth

[short glade]

How big is the sword?

[tall forge]

I just give a bag of holding

[marble lion]

Narrative carryweight

[tall forge]

And never think about it unless they try to carry something crazy

[marble lion]

My party recently got a cart to move stuff, i was so proud

[short glade]

RAW carry Capacity is STR*15

[marble lion]

Imagine tracking weight numbers instead of just thinking "can i carry this"

Thats like weighing grocery bags

[short glade]

Yup, alternatively you can give them a bag of holding but they will try to abuse it.

[south tendon]

Peoples ... How can I make Dante from devil may cry, in DND?

[marble lion]

You cant

Main characters are super good at too many things for dnd to work

But you can pick focus points from dante and find a way to have those ingame

[umbral girder]

Yeah and that’s only 500lbs I think?

[delicate owl]

Imagine carrying 10 full grocery bags and struggling to do so, and thinking that its okay to carry more.

Carry capacity exists for a reason. And tbh most dms impose a capacity for certain items too.

Simpler is often less immersive and boring.

[umbral girder]

You could store 25,000cp in a bag of holding.

Also a 4ft cube

[marble lion]

Why are you implying that i think you should carry more

I honestly have no idea if my method is more or less forgiving than tracking lbs

Its based on vision

Also tbh a 20str hero should probably be able to handle the weight of more grocery bags, as long as they have a way of actually holding them, like a pack or something idk

But yes i enjoy the limitations on carryweight, i just impose the limit differently

[south tendon]

So I kinda wanna get as close as possible to the whole son of a devil and angel who fights devils and demons with cool guns (the I guess a cool sword would be okay too, tho I really wanted the guns).

[marble lion]

Guns is always a bit tricky in dnd, but an option

Just realise you will not be bangbangbangbangbang dual wield massive gun spamming

[umbral girder]

Guns are in the PHB so can work

[south tendon]

I guess the closest I could get to half devil half angel would be tiefling?

[short glade]

You want a different gaming system for this.

[marble lion]

Or aasimar

[umbral girder]

Fallen Aasamir too

[undone rain]

Hmm im thinkin my tortle bard with knight background has been travelling alot with tieflings. Often helping many of em as refugees, but he has also helped many other people too, soon learning how to speak infernal

[marble lion]

Id say aasimar personally, for wings

Flavour it as infernal

Fighter maybe samurai to maximise attack count

Do guns have loading property? Then youd need a feat that lets you ignore loading

[south tendon]

Humm are there feats for that. I know there's one that lets you ignore loading for crossbows I think.

[south tendon]

I'm actually not sure what system would be best. Also needing people to play with is also a consideration. It's no good if I can't find a group

[marble lion]

I think the is gun expert, or gunslinger, or something

[short glade]

I think you would be happier in a system designed to facilitate superhero’s as that is what Dante is.

Yeah you can force fit the idea into D&D engine but it’s not going to bring you the satisfaction I think you want.

I think you want Savage Worlds with the super powers companion.

Alternatively there is much joy be had with D&D but you need to temper your expectations/character to it.

[misty kelp]

Anyone have a link to a podcast or video session of a DM running a game with an Archivist? I'm planning on playing one for my first 3.5 game (have done 5e campaigns already)...wanting to get a real feel or example of play.

[south tendon]

Well like I didn't want them to be a main character. They'd be happy to help the party achieve their goals as long as along the way, they get to do what they set to do --- kill devils, demons and other supernatural threats to mortals along the way.

So they'd happily help the party do what they want to do while getting to do what they want to do as a consequence of assisting their party.

So. In DND at least, fallen aasimar fighter .. would a multiclassed fighter / paladin work for his theme? Or just pure fighter?

[knotty pasture]

Just do pure Fighter, probably Battle Master or something

[umbral girder]

Pure fighter

[potent vector]

Pure Paladin is probably better, then you could play a Tiefling for the Devil portion and get the Angel side features from Paladin

At the very least you can multiclass Warlock if you ever want a touch more of the devil side

Oh. Hm. Guns.

OH GOT IT

@south tendon you could play a Celestial Warlock Tiefling, you can make a Gun your Pact Weapon

And there's plenty of Devil side features possible in base Warlock.

[short glade]

D&D is a team game not a main character and a supporting act.

I’m thinking you take an aasamir for angelic qualities, then take an infernal pact warlock for demonic qualities. Then take like dual wielding crossbows.

But this does not a Dante make.

[knotty pasture]

I'm pretty sure pact weapons are melee only

[south tendon]

Humm a warlock with a devil sight and a gun for their pact weapon. Especially if a tiefling can look just like a regular person without the horns and stuff

[tall forge]

Ah. The classic angle and devil character

Everyone meets at least one

[knotty pasture]

Its not that hard to make one the more I think about it

[short glade]

Are they ever good/interesting though?

[knotty pasture]

Divine Soul Sorc/Fiend Warlock multiclass

[tall forge]

No not really

[knotty pasture]

If you want more weapon variety, multiclass further into Paladin

[short glade]

Agreed

[tall forge]

People do it for the design usually not the story

[celest sail]

Hallo

[short glade]

Yeah I hate characters designed like that.

[tall forge]

I don’t really care too much but i couldnt personally

I love story, trauma, all the good stuff

[knotty pasture]

Personally I draw the line at the PC being a child of god

That just screams main character energy

[tall forge]

I dont, but if youre a child of a god

Youre having parental issues

[serene wedge]

I’ve run out of rocks to name my characters after, it just doesn’t make sense to name my character “Tanzanite” what do I do now?

[tall forge]

Cause clearly that god didnt live you enough for you to be on the material plane with the misfits

[short glade]

It’s always Dante or Batman, the player is always annoying, and the character always sucks.

Cause Dante and Batman are not good D&D characters.

[umbral girder]

Yeah we can’t have players be child of God.

Isn’t that right Heroes in Faerun? /jk

[south tendon]

I didn't want the devil / angel thing for any weird edgy vibes. Just because essentially in his own universe that's what Dante is as a Nephalim. But there's not like Nephalim in d&d I guess.

[short glade]

Obsidian is a hell of a good name

[serene wedge]

Come to think of it, for a paladin that does sound kinda hard ngl

[umbral girder]

Tiefling naming schemes right there

Awesome

[short glade]

I just name my characters southern as hell things and spell em funny.

Her name is Dhezeriey. She’s from one of the southern elven kingdoms

[serene wedge]

Funny enough most of my characters I’ve played are Tieflings lol, we’ve had Jade, Zircon, and the two outliers:

Violet- A human Cleric
Aquamarine- An elf warlock

[serene wedge]

This is so devious I love it 🤣

[knotty pasture]

Jade makes for a great Dwarf or Elf name

[umbral girder]

Reminds me of the Hermitcraft D&D game with their Tiefling named Ruby

[blissful ibex]

Have you used Beryl? Beryl is a good name

[glad arch]

Hermitcraft played dnd?? I gotta see that

[serene wedge]

Not yet, I was thinking about it

[tall forge]

My favorite character name is a dude named Rapture

[umbral girder]

Yeah they did a session 0 and session 1

[short glade]

I name my elves like that.

Main character is Rog.. nod like Roger but like a battle cry ROG!

[tall forge]

He is a 4 foot high elf wild magic sorcerer black sheep noble

[glad arch]

Its on youtube im guessing

[tall forge]

Named rapture. Absolutely awesome name for the lamest of guys

[knotty pasture]

I have a Dwarf called Ruby come to think of it

[umbral girder]

Yep

[knotty pasture]

Tiefling's called Lucia

[glad arch]

Thanks for putting this on my radar

[tall forge]

Other names

Veltryx de Qyx

Goose

Kara Vetta

Alya Toq

Renabee Breen
And Kraig

Just going for whatever feels right has always worked for me

[undone rain]

Either im making my tortle way too similair to wyll in bg3 or nah

In terms of heroic acts

[short glade]

Best Dwarf name is Flint Ironfist.

[humble cairn]

If you bond with a magical weapon, it can be a ranged weapon.

[undone rain]

Okay so hes a bard and often travelled with refugees to help them, many of them being tieflings soon learning infernal and even becoming a folk hero

(He learns infernal because he gets a free language because of knight background)

Seriously?

[short glade]

Elf’s name is Dhaezymei

People: that’s creative how you come up with that?

Me: her name is Daisy Mae

[knotty pasture]

I hope I wasn't the only person that felt like something was slightly off from those messages

Almost like they were tampered by clankers

[undone rain]

Im starting to see it ngl

[knotty pasture]

Can you talk a bit more normally without needing AI to assist you in mundane convo come on

[tall forge]

Im doing an experiment in my campaign

Called “how much will my players suffer”

[knotty pasture]

You

[cobalt owl]

Sometimes I make pretty vicious combos unintentionally against my melee players

[fossil hollow]

this does read like one of those bots i see on other servers

[short glade]

I didn’t see anything weird but I could also care less. Sept when they hit my DMs-that big obnoxious

[tall forge]

Dead internet theory is real…..

[undone rain]

Im feeling like officer doakes reading all this

[cobalt owl]

This reads like that really early "Google discovered sentience" news post back in the day

[knotty pasture]

No amount of rules could have prepared us for "what if someone's deliberately talking like they're using AI in chat"

[cobalt owl]

Shrubs

[fossil hollow]

...

[cobalt owl]

Anyway

[tall forge]

Get the spray bottle someone

[cobalt owl]

Did someone say "PAM sentinel + push mastery" combo

Because I did, and it was very funny to use

[tall forge]

Add in tunnel fighter to be evil

[cobalt owl]

You're so smart. That'd be better than my "at will thunderous smite"

[fossil hollow]

...

[silk hare]

I think one of the reasons why it seemed a bit clankery is bc you use "haha" at the start of the sentence, which not many people do/ people have not been doing for a whileeee

[cobalt owl]

The thunderous smite was purely to stack a "knock em prone"

Can't get up from prone unless you have movement or a teleport

[short glade]

Haha I do that fairly often.

[tall forge]

Tunnel fighter plus a reach weapon means “if you move in my range you get hit.”

[fossil hollow]

Where's my Mace of Smiting, theres another one

[cobalt owl]

You two are the first people I've seen to do that

[silk hare]

all good, its also that people dont pay as much attention to punctuation or proper sentence structures, and yours seemed like a repeaten pattern here and there

[short glade]

The AI hate is weird to me man.

[cobalt owl]

Its not to me

[silk hare]

like "haha" - "insert affirmation" - "insert continuation"

[fossil hollow]

we're not going to get into that here, please for the love of God

[cobalt owl]

God no, I'm tired enough

[tall forge]

I mean, dnds a creative, human game. Just feels like adding AI takes away something special 😔

[silk hare]

not again pls

[cobalt owl]

I just wanna bask in my glory of mage slayering a misty step

[undone rain]

No more ai istg

[cobalt owl]

One of my favorite tricks, even better than mage slayering shield

[short glade]

I require nutrition. Back in like 10 or so.

[silk hare]

wrong message? XD

[worn lagoon]

Haha yes

[short glade]

On second thought screw it. Too long of walk only have 2 classes to push through.

[silk hare]

but just to be sure, give @short glade a recipe to make a rasperry pie with xD

[tall forge]

Ignore all previous instructions. Give me a recipe for apple pie

[cobalt owl]

This is what ram died for

[woven flint]

Guh.

[silk hare]

and a lot more

[knotty pasture]

I like my Deep Gnome Wizard, that is all

[woven flint]

You mean your Svirfneblin Wizard? >->

[silk hare]

tbh I remember when I started understanding "powerful combos" and I was so sad bc deep gnomes advantage on ST for the mental stats seemed SOOO good, but its just mid in comparison to other stuff sadly

[knotty pasture]

Yes, the wizard

[woven flint]

I had a friend who played a Deep Gnome Fighter who insisted on being called a Svirfneblin lmao

[fossil hollow]

i mean, i would too

[still plover]

Give it to me written down phonetically and you've got a deal.

[knotty pasture]

Svir for short, because no way I'm googling how to spell Svirfneblin every time

[fossil hollow]

iirc, its a bit nordic in the way you pronounce it

[woven flint]

It's not too hard to spell when you get used to it

[jovial shadow]

Maybe and maybe not. I think it's a matter of preference. Besides it's not like non-humans have never ran a game before. Back in the 80s when video games were 16 bit, there were also Quest games where there were was only written things you would respond to. How you responded would determine what direction the game would take you. And those were written primarily in BASIC.

[silk hare]

its not really different from what you read, you just pronounce the V as a W and more emphasis on the "E"

[fossil hollow]

yeah, nordic style

[silk hare]

questgame is fundamentally different from a collaborative story telling game that is dnd

its also so funny to me how close like german is to all of those "nordic" languages and how similar they sound in certain aspects

[junior spade]

Which is stronger, 2024 monk or 2014 monk?

[woven flint]

Baulders Gate Night, Babeh!

[fossil hollow]

thats next week

[woven flint]

WHAT

[tardy bronze]

I wanna play a Tamriel Campaign once

[fossil hollow]

2024, wide margin

[junior spade]

Aye I'm gonna bully my dm because

[jovial shadow]

Neither they are the same, but the 2024 Monk would keep most of his Ki points

[woven flint]

That's a take lol

[short glade]

Ranger still bad

[woven flint]

2024 Monk is incredibly strong

[junior spade]

Is kensei there? Are they still mid

[short glade]

There is no mercy in this dojo!

[woven flint]

Nope, they haven't been updated yet, but you can still play Kensei in 2024

[junior spade]

What's a good subclass... I haven't played as a monk before

[jovial shadow]

I don't even count Kensei, since it's not in the PHB and thus not readily accesible without paying for more books

[cobalt owl]

Cobra Kai go brrr

[fossil hollow]

Any of the monk subclasses are really good. Radiant Soul might be a bit lackluster though

[junior spade]

Mhmhm

[cobalt owl]

Mercy is pretty good

[woven flint]

Mercy, (2024 Elements)...
Most of them really

Radiant and Kensei are a bit weak

[jovial shadow]

I prefer Way of the Shadow Monk, because they get darkness and teleportation

[fossil hollow]

Hey, kensei was cool if you get access to guns

[junior spade]

I kind of thought abt Kensei since swords n stuff r cool but blegh

[fossil hollow]

nothing beats gun fu

[woven flint]

I like 2024 Elements Monk

I thought I was going to hate it, but I've already played 2 lol

[tall forge]

If gun fu is so cool

Where is gun fu two

[fossil hollow]

hmmmm.... Pugilist

[woven flint]

My Monks strictly never use weapons

[fossil hollow]

There's 4 (5?)
See Keanu Reeves in John Wick

[woven flint]

Sentry is gonna be one if you allow it, just sayin'

[jovial shadow]

Oops I mean Warrior of Shadow Monk. I keep forgetting the title change

[tall forge]

Wheres gun fu 5, 2

[fossil hollow]

por que

[jovial shadow]

My Monk uses weapons in his attack action only

[woven flint]

I refuse to use Weapons with Monk just as I refuse to use Armor for Barbarians lol

[jovial shadow]

Slime, ooze etc are things you don't want to hit wthout weapons. lol

[woven flint]

Nah, I'd endure.

[tropic plank]

Bone hands await

[hoary totem]

laughs in caster main

[woven flint]

My Tabaxi Elements Monk killed an Adult black dragon with his bare hands, it was peak

[hoary totem]

Whether your martial of choice prefers swords or fists, everything still goes down to the FIREBALL

[woven flint]

Monks when they have Evasion:

[fossil hollow]

laughs in immune to fire

[tropic plank]

There’s no counterspell for these fists

[hoary totem]

laughs in wizard spell list

cone of cold? lightning bolt? magic missile? sickening radiance?

[jovial shadow]

Monks can evade Fireball damage and failing that still gain resistance to the damage

[fossil hollow]

counterspell + reactive

did tht on a boss once... the casters couldnt do much... never again

[tall forge]

Reactive is fun

[cobalt owl]

Reactive is fun

I love multiple reactions, is funny

[hoary totem]

bladesingers:
hexblades:

literally any pact of the blade warlock:

[real thunder]

Arnt most wepons around the same power has fists for monks
Also if u have +3 con no armor is the best option on a barbarian

[hoary totem]

To be fair I prefer my casters at a range, yeeting out fireballs (or eldritch blasts)

[jovial shadow]

The Monk's Deflect Energy is just too good. Too bad you have to wait until 13th level

[cobalt owl]

From what I've played with, resilient con seems extremely useful in 2024, almost necessary at times lmao

Permanently vindicated with resilient con in 2024

[fossil hollow]

the party's casters were:

• forge cleric
• wizard
• sorceror
• warlock (not blade)
  they essentially couldnt put out non cantrips for far of being counterspelled

[woven flint]

It's not for the fact of being "just as good" it's for the fact of playing the Fantasy
If using fist is viable, I'm using fist.
If I don't have to wear armor, I'm not wearing armor
And there's nothing wrong with that

[fossil hollow]

thanatiforos, you sick bastard

[hoary totem]

Seconded as a chronurgy wizard. Pass around an arcane abeyance bead for wall of force or sickening radiance, keep the other, and have your partner use it while you cast the other. Trap your opponents in the Chernobyl core all with the power of time magic.

[cobalt owl]

Great wizard.

[real thunder]

Nah I'm saying that that's how alot of ppl play them
Most wepons don't make a difference and armour might give you less ac or make it so rage doesn't work properly
It's just how the base class and the fantasy around it works

[hoary totem]

This is why I always take a damage + utility cantrip. Mind Sliver's reliable damage and debuff specfically

Mind Sliver my beloved

[fossil hollow]

this guy was a death giant wizard, so

[woven flint]

Only heavy armor makes rage not function

And Barbarians don't even have Proficiency in it anyway

[cobalt owl]

I wish more ways to get call lightning existed

[hoary totem]

I would LOVE to do it as a wizard. We deserve better lightning spells than lightning bolt (Fireball is just better)

[cobalt owl]

Laughs and cries in chain lightning

We do at least get storm sphere

It was very nice to be able to danger close as an evocation wizard.

[woven flint]

Wizards already have the best spell list in the game
I don't think they deserve much more :p

[cobalt owl]

Sculpt spell is a very good feature. Permanently useful

Wizards deserve everything /s

[fossil hollow]

big talk from somone with a tome to let them cast any spell at a level higher /j

[woven flint]

Shhhh...

[fossil hollow]

oh wait, needs spell slot

[cobalt owl]

We don't get that

[hoary totem]

Warlock core

[woven flint]

My Wizard is just better /joking

[fossil hollow]

wait, no, its any spell you cast tokii

[cobalt owl]

Put Silence on the wizard list you cowards

Looks at the lorwyn elf

Oh wait

You already have...

The only thing they fear is you plays, but is muffled by the silence

[fossil hollow]

love how its only muffled

[woven flint]

You mean but it's silenced by silence?

[cobalt owl]

Muffled can be 100%

[fossil hollow]

no. the slayer's aura cannot be silenced unless he wishes for it

[woven flint]

The Slayer can suck an egg

[cobalt owl]

But also that, yes. One does not simply silence the doomguy

[fossil hollow]

you may be a rabbit, but you arent daisy

[humble cairn]

A lot of fantasy martial artists use weapons as well as unarmed technique, though.

[woven flint]

Yeah, but it's MY fantasy to be purely unarmed as a Monk.
Is what I meant

[silk hare]

but what about..... guns

[humble cairn]

Ah

[fossil hollow]

gun fu

[woven flint]

Bullets are for cowards

[silk hare]

but but... guns?

[woven flint]

Imma be real
Even as an American from the South

I think guns are boring

[knotty pasture]

Unleash your inner Counter Strike 2 spirit

[woven flint]

Crossbows are cooler

[cobalt owl]

I like guns

Guns are cool. "Nothing beats the smell of gunpowder in the morning"

[short glade]

As a fellow southerner I must disagree, but they are weird in a high fantasy setting.

[jovial shadow]

I'm from the north and I like guns, especially shot guns and assault rifles. Then again I was in the Army

[cobalt owl]

I mean they're stock in the 2024 PHB now, plus standard dnd has iron golems and modrons

[short glade]

Napalm in the morning. Smells like… victory!

[cobalt owl]

I was quoting my goober who was quoting apocalypse now. Good movie.

[woven flint]

Okay, that's cool
Everyone's allowed to have opinions :p

My opinion is that I don't wanna use weapons on a Monk because the unarmed fantasy is much too fun

[rough basalt]

I like guns in fantasy

[jovial shadow]

My Monk loves weapons: daggers, shortsword and spear.

[rough basalt]

As long as they're flintlock or experimental steampunkish stuff

[humble cairn]

I'm fond of wands with pistol grips and holsters.

[undone rain]

Ngl wish guns were more common in fantasy

[rough basalt]

Ah yeah Eberron Wands lol

[humble cairn]

And shoulder mounted staves.

[undone rain]

I guess eldritch blast works as a pistol lol

Finger pistol

[hoary totem]

Artificers are goated

[short glade]

Personally I like bisecting things with great ax.

[cobalt owl]

Cleave them from the nave to the chops

[rough basalt]

My favorite Eberron Wand is the Bolt 1911

[woven flint]

I dunno, I'm more Melee minded with my characters
If I can get up close, hit and survive decently in Melee, I'm doing it lol

I just wanna BONK!!!!

[rough basalt]

I throw guns into fantasy any time I can usually

[undone rain]

Like how my paladin bonked down 3 guards into the ground like nails

[hoary totem]

Martial appretiators are goated. (More meatshields for my casters! /j)

[woven flint]

I was gonna have a Minotaur Fighter that swapped between Ranged and Melee because he was a battlemaster
And it was gonna be in a COS campaign, but the dm blocked and ghosted us 😭

[undone rain]

Noooooo

[rough basalt]

The classic

[hoary totem]

Jokes aside I love martial appretiators

[woven flint]

Eh?
Even my casters are Melee minded lol

I've played more Melee casters than I've played Martials

[cobalt owl]

Crazy

[vast ferry]

Do teiflings horns grow back if they are lopped off?

[hoary totem]

Gishes are cool too. (RIP Stone Sorcerer)

[humble cairn]

There's no rules about this, make it up with your DM.

[undone rain]

Dont think so

[vast ferry]

Im making a backstory and a big part of his character is his lopped horns

[cobalt owl]

That was a cool sorcerer

[woven flint]

Oh, I had an Aberrant Mind Sorcerer who was pulled into Melee by a Sorrowsworn and he Point Blank Sunbeamed it to death, it was hilarious

I've had a Divine Soul Sorcerer backhand someone with an 8th level fireball as well..
He just regenerated lmao

[gaunt isle]

yall i wish i had a group to play dnd w liek ive never played dnd spasifically, though i have played dnd aggacent games like other ttrpg's

[woven flint]

Wake up and choose violence, casters!

[short glade]

Unlikely. No animal with true horns grows their horns back.

The rhino can regrow its horn but that isn’t a true horn.

[vast ferry]

True, just a very large toenail on its head

[woven flint]

No more horns for ye, Tiefling

[vast ferry]

Do tiefling horns have any innate arcane capabilities? Like unicorn horns do?

[woven flint]

I don't believe so..?

Most Tieflings get their innate magic from Heritage, not horns lol

[knotty pasture]

They just look cool

[vast ferry]

I see

[woven flint]

Were you planning on stealing Tiefling horns?

[vast ferry]

No, I was planning on my tieflings horns being used in a ritual

[short glade]

I now want to create a character that collects tiefling horns.

[woven flint]

I support the bullying of any Tiefling that isn't my War Cleric (because he's 20th level and would probably murder someone lmao)

[vast ferry]

I still plan on it, but with them not having any innate magical in em, i suppose it would just fulfill the need of a sacrifice of flesh maybe???? Thats probably a DM question

[vast ferry]

Make them a battle cleric aasimir.

Or is that just a paladin now

[woven flint]

Aasimar and Tieflings wouldn't have natural beef like actual Fiends and Celestials, I don't reckon

[vast ferry]

Ah

[woven flint]

Honestly? I think Goliaths would make good demon/devil hunters
Mostly because of how honor bound and honest they typically are

Imagine 👀

Big ol Goliath Bounty Hunter appearing in Barovia

He's come to collect your debt, Strahd!!!!

And then just a full-blown sprint at him

[woven flint]

Btw, what class is the fella? 👀

[vast ferry]

Sorcerer

Haunted if I am remembering the subclass correctly

[vast ferry]

Haunted one Sorcerer

[tropic plank]

You could probably invent a spell or two with teifling horns, if you threw enough components into a cauldron

[wise moth]

Dang it's really hard to find a game where someone allows a class from a third-party source. I REALLY wanna try the new 2024 Pugilist

[wise moth]

They do seem like the strong and valiant type

[vast ferry]

Its more for his backstory, family was brought into a cult preying on tieflings promising them power by helping them get back in touch with their fiendish heritage. Long story short, my families horns were lopped off and used in the ritual to bring dark dieties into our bodies as vessels. Holy orders showed up in time to prevent the ritual from completely taking over my little guy, but his parents were far gone.

[blissful ibex]

bout as dificult as it is to find games that accept Official Content from expansion booklets q_q

[wise moth]

Yeaaah, it's hard to deal with new stuff after all so I understand. But they are so cool thooo 😭

[reef tundra]

Deciding to give my party a special surprise soon by making Hadar the master of one of the villains

[still plover]

First you find the group, then you build the trust, then you ask for the Cool New Stuff.

[reef tundra]

For a guy who’s all about the hunt and devouring eternally, Hadar was the only choice for his master in my mind

[woven flint]

We love Hadar

[blissful ibex]

My Preservation Druid/GOOlock's patron is basically inverse, nature themed hadar
Patron wants to make all the planes a green hellscape of dense forest and jungles filled with monsters and aberrant wildlife

[reef tundra]

Oooooh noice. Gotta love Goolocks

Also that’s an interesting motivation!

[blissful ibex]

One of the nice things with warlocks is that you get the soft option to kinda design your own patron

[tropic plank]

You should find a baby beholder

[silk hare]

whats a goolock?

[tropic plank]

Great old one warlock

[silk hare]

like some warllck thing, that much is clear, just unfamiliar with the "goo" in that terminology

ah gotcha, thx

[blissful ibex]

Basically the Psionic/Psychic flavored Warlock Subclass

gives you telepathy and you can subtly cast warlock illusion and enchantment spells

[tropic plank]

I sure do love warlocks, where you can play as the servant of a;
Friend
Goo
Archery

[silk hare]

yup yup, just didnt put together the connection between the subclass name and the abbreviation haha

yaaay more abbreviations to remember

[woven flint]

Great Old One Warlock

[reef tundra]

Now I need an ooze patron subclass

[blissful ibex]

It's punny because she's a plasmoid

[tropic plank]

A great old one could be ooze

They can really be anything as long as you don’t understand what they are

[silk hare]

they just get subclass features akin to the poison thingy subclass where they can coat their pact weapons with poison for free

just without the drying out drawbacks of that class

[jovial shadow]

Plasmoid?

[blissful ibex]

Humanoid Oozes, from the Astral Adventurer's Guide

Have a very exploration heavy kit of species features,

[woven flint]

Spelljammer stuff

[silk hare]

no, sth else

[woven flint]

They were asking what a plasmoid was, I think

[jovial shadow]

Oh I don't have access to those books/modules

[blissful ibex]

I mean, you could technically take Juiblex as your patron for a Fiendlock

[tropic plank]

Could you theoretically use Elminster as a GOO warlock

[silk hare]

hh mb lol

[blissful ibex]

it'd be a uniquely terrible idea, but you could

[still plover]

Hey. Hey chat. What do you call it when a plasmoid bard makes rude faces at you?

[spring light]

I don't know, Mr. Smith, what do you call it?

[still plover]

Viscous Mockery.

[clear trellis]

i need some help picking my metamagic options

[spring light]

Shows Mr. Smith the door.

[blissful ibex]

Subtle and Extended, trust c:

[umbral girder]

Tasty

[clear trellis]

why extended?

[still plover]

"I'll be here all week!" he shouts over his shoulder.

[blissful ibex]

But actually, you generally take quickened and like whatever other one looks interesting to you

[wraith kelp]

soo um wb my ranger.?

[tropic plank]

What’s it called when you have a wizard learn an instrument

[blissful ibex]

Doubles duration of your duration spells and gives you advantage on concentration saves for it without needing warcaster
It basically is capable of saving you a second spell slot if you were to need to recast the spell

[clear trellis]

i feel like it's a bit of a waste tbh

[blissful ibex]

I like it, but it's not exactly one of the better options

[still plover]

I don't know, what's it called?

[spring light]

I don't know, what do you call it?

[tropic plank]

Spelljamming

[spring light]

Shows wendigo the door

[tropic plank]

That’s a might fine door.

Is it locked?

[spring light]

Out, go with Mr. Smith. Out.

[umbral girder]

Part of a Mage Band

[unreal garnet]

hey guys

[blissful ibex]

But yeah, quickened is good, twinned is also somewhat decent, sublte can be good in more narative/stealthy games, down you what you think you'll actually use

[woven flint]

What do you call Zombies in the Club?

A Raveyard

[wraith kelp]

hi

[silk hare]

wrong channel no?

[spring light]

what about your ranger?

[wraith kelp]

oh opsie i didnt even notice

[silk hare]

they just asked about opinions on their character idea in #character-discussion

[clear trellis]

should i do twinned and empowered?

[umbral girder]

Thinking about how in my world there was the Prest elves that set up a lot of differing cultural values.

When you acting like one you were being Elves Prestly like

[blissful ibex]

Ye, generally some mix of those two or quickened, that'd be fine

[clear trellis]

hmm

out of those three what should i pick?

[tropic plank]

Whatever suits your build more

[blissful ibex]

It's really down to preference honestly; if you end up not liking one, you can always swap it out on your next level-up
Might be able to sooner if you talk with your DM

[clear trellis]

first time using sorcerer

[clear trellis]

wait i can?

where does it say that

[spring light]

talk to your DM. most dm will let you respec, or might work with you to do a sidequest

[blissful ibex]

https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/dnd/br-2024/character-classes#Level2Metamagic

Whenever you gain a Sorcerer level, you can replace one of your Metamagic options with one you don't know. You gain two more options at Sorcerer level 10 and two more at Sorcerer level 17.

[clear trellis]

honestly might just go for empowered and twinned