dnd-discussion

[fickle burrow]

We aren't gonna play 5 fighters/palladins

[silk hare]

if you want a challenge and are commited you can try a spell caster

Id recommend sth like cleric or druid tho since they can just change their spell list

[fickle burrow]

So let say astral self monk is a no no?

[silk hare]

no thats a martial

you can kind of classify MOST dnd classes/ subclasses into either martial or spell caster

thers also fullcasters, halfcasters, and technically 1/3 casters

[woven flint]

My question to you

Do you want to hit things?
Or do you wanna yeet spells?
Or both?

[steel shore]

Hit Things

[fickle burrow]

Ofc I want to hit things

[silk hare]

alright, so no spellcaster for u then, you want a martial

[woven flint]

Dhampir Barbarian could be really fun
They hit hard and often have decent CON for Dhampir bite attacks

[steel shore]

Who doesn't love hitting things!

[fickle burrow]

Intelligence players?

[silk hare]

me, I like to control the battle if possible or pull other shenanigans

[fickle burrow]

Idk I played elden ring, I hate int players

[silk hare]

str is my chosen dump stat

[steel shore]

Admitlly true.

[woven flint]

Also, Dhampir can just.. walk up walls, which is insane mobility for Barbarians

[fickle burrow]

Hey would a rogue benefit from that?

[silk hare]

even on melee classes u can most of the time just play versatile weapons and not be vastly underpowered

[silk hare]

depends, some, sure, not all tho

[woven flint]

Yes!
Any martial would benefit from it

Though Monks can do it Naturally at some point

[fickle burrow]

Okay and what is a soulknife...

I just looked up rogues and holy it looks cool

[woven flint]

The fun part about Dhampir Spider Climb is that your hands are free and you don't need to hold onto a wall

Soul Knife could be a fun thematic choice for Dhampir!

[silk hare]

mediocre imo is what it is, but playable

and yeah the concept is really cool

[fickle burrow]

it sounds cool as hell tho

[silk hare]

but again, depends on what you want your character to do

[woven flint]

If it's something you want to play
Then you should damn sure play it :>

[steel shore]

Hang on I never know what my movement is on my barbarian.

[fickle burrow]

Prob strike and run

[silk hare]

monks attack a ton of times during one turn

rogues live off off sneak attack damage in combat + are good at a lot of things outside of combat due to expertise

barbarians reduce damage taken and hit a lot of times and hit hard

fighters have more versatility with their maneuvers and hit hard

paladins can hit hard + have a lot of versatility

[silk hare]

then u want rogues bc they can take the disengage action as a bonus action

essentially if you are in melee range of an enemy and decide to "run away" they get an attack of opportunity on you

[steel shore]

Hang on DND beyond isn't loading.

[silk hare]

but with the disengage action that doesnt happen unless they have the sentinel feat

[woven flint]

Also, as a Dhampir, you get Necrotic damage resistance
Which is huge because that's a common damage type among undead.. which makes up a good majority of enemies in the game

[fickle burrow]

So dhampir works for
Barbarian, monk, rogue?

[steel shore]

I Do Remember I Gave Her A Gun

[silk hare]

sure

[woven flint]

Works for anything, tbh
Even if you're not using the bite (though you should try on occasion)

[lean scaffold]

Hopefully this is the right spot to ask this, but could anyone recommend a way to use battle maps online for a game that is extremely homebrewed :o essentially the character sheets are super non standard so idk if any of the normal ones will work. Thank youuuu

[lyric viper]

Maps wise, you could just use map only programs like owlbear rodeo or such.

[idle hawk]

is there a page that talks about different builds

[fickle burrow]

And could someone explain how does shadow monk work?

[lean scaffold]

Ill check that out >:) ty twin

[lyric viper]

If you want to character builds and ideas there's #character-discussion and if you want to get really crunchy there is #optimization

[idle hawk]

@lyric viper thank you for very much

[fickle burrow]

From what I've read, it's monk, but sneaky

[lyric viper]

Which part of Shadow Monk? Just overall as a whole, like how does it play, or how certain features work? Shadow monk is instead the sneakiest monk.

[steel shore]

My Dexterity is 13 for my barbarian.

[silk hare]

not really sneaky, but there are some stealth benefits for sure

[silk hare]

whats your con

[steel shore]

My Con?

[silk hare]

constitution

[steel shore]

Oh! 10

[silk hare]

ahh, so you have an AC of 12?

wait no, 11, mb math aint mathing

[lyric viper]

Might wanna boost that a bit- Barbs get a lot of benefits from high CON.

[steel shore]

Well I'm still a level 10.

[silk hare]

O.o, howd u even make it that far

[steel shore]

Hang On

I'm grabbing my stats

[tardy bronze]

How efficient is throwing a trident compared to using a bow

[steel shore]

I can't post photos can i?

[silk hare]

not very

[silk hare]

nope, gotta type it out

or share a link if its on ddb

[steel shore]

Hang on ima send it to you

Its on beyond

would that be easier?

[silk hare]

you can also share beyond links in channels on this server

for me, either is fine, if you want more opinions a link would be better

[lyric viper]

Yeah, Unless returning, you're only going to get one good toss, normal range 20, max 60. Average damage 4.5.
A long bow does the same damage, but also can be reused and has far greater range

[steel shore]

where do i post links/

[silk hare]

links you can just put in the chat, you should indicate what they are for tho (again, ddb links are fine usually especially bc we are talking about it)

[steel shore]

https://www.dndbeyond.com/characters/156160474

[silk hare]

just no "nefarious omission" of what they lead to, etc etc

[silk hare]

gotta enable access

[steel shore]

How

[silk hare]

in the privacy settings

I personally dont really use ddb so I couldnt tell you where exactly

[steel shore]

Its Public

[silk hare]

at least not for character sheets

now it works :))

[lyric viper]

A curious build. Where you going Charisma for the RP?

[silk hare]

okay so the +5 to charisma was a bit unnecessary maybe... xD

you could try getting 1 lvl in hexblade warlock so you can use your Cha modifier for your weapon attacks (since its higher than your str)

[lyric viper]

Wait, also, hang on- #character-discussion

[silk hare]

yup yup u right

[short glade]

Super quick: one of the books details player archetypes (actor, thinking, instigator, etc.) is that in PHB or DMG?

[valid geyser]

DMG i think

[queen adder]

I think I'm not understanding how to post looking for players, this discord stuff is still new to me. Can I get pointed to the "Dungeon" 🙃

[valid geyser]

#find-a-game should have instructions

[small heath]

GM chat. How are we today?

[rugged hawk]

This is why I traded 2 of my char's 3 bonus weapon proficiencies for the Returning property on my Trident.

Less weapon diversity, more specialization and flavor, since she's an ocean-dwelling sorc.

Also because being Disarmed in the ocean would suck, having to dive to the bottom to retrieve a weapon

[tardy bronze]

How does one make a trident returning

[rugged hawk]

Most weapons have a Returning variant.

[small heath]

Give it Loyalty III.

[tardy bronze]

HOW DO I DO THAT

[small heath]

This is a joke btw. It's a minecraft reference.

[tardy bronze]

Yes im aware

[rugged hawk]

Just give it the Returning property?

[small heath]

Isn't the Returning Property attunement?

[knotty pasture]

Eldritch Knight, weapon bound it

[rugged hawk]

That didn't matter since her trident is attuned to begin with

[tardy bronze]

u need artificer infusions

[lyric viper]

Hang on, is there a way to 'add properties' RAW or are you using Homebrew magic items/ Artificer?

[small heath]

I am pretty sure you have to do either "Notes" or homebrew alterations in order to give an item Returning Property in dndbeyond

I could be wrong though if someone wants to verify.

[tardy bronze]

Yeah i can't just click something

Not that it would make sense for my char to have a magic trident either

[rugged hawk]

The campaign is like 99% standard Marketplace content, but the returning property is from ....hold on, I can't actually sign into DNDB atm to see how it was done, lemme go grab my phone

[small heath]

I am on my PC. How do I look this up?

[tardy bronze]

Like i would try to do in it in game but i wouldn't start with it since it doesn't make sense for my char

[small heath]

So it looks like Returning is a Weapon Mastery Property. So in theory you can edit an item to give it this property in dndbeyond if it works for your character's mastery data.

[rugged hawk]

Ah, I see how it was done. She's got a renamed Trident of Warning, with a note 'Returning'

[small heath]

So the notes strategy as well.

[glossy vine]

so our party of 4xLvl3's just managed to kill a young green dragon after it knocked out 2 of the players and left me (the druid) at 1 hp before we even rolled initiative :o

all it took is one lucky paladin critical

[limber trail]

those paladin criticals are something else, that's awesome

[rugged hawk]

Yeah. She wanted a Trident of Warning because a majority of active ocean threats are ambush predators, whether via camouflage or speed or an unholy combo of both.

This magic weapon warns you of danger. While the weapon is on your person, you have advantage on initiative rolls. In addition, you and any of your companions within 30 feet of you can’t be surprised, except when incapacitated by something other than nonmagical sleep. The weapon magically awakens you and your companions within range if any of you are sleeping naturally when combat begins.

[glossy vine]

I kept reminding the first time DM (my long time friend) that the fight is DEADLY for 4xLvl5's, but it was according to the module. I was left speechless, everyone was yelling and cheering and we leveled up prematurely. We are also workshopping party names. Good candidates so far: Emerald Slayers and Green Slayers.

[rugged hawk]

The Lucky Accident

Because they're probably going to get stomped by whatever comes next, luck can't hold out forever.

And if they do somehow keep surviving, it keeps being an accurate name

[glossy vine]

We always somehow survive 😂

[rugged hawk]

My point exactly, it's clearly the perfect party name.

[glossy vine]

I was ready to ditch the party with Invisibilty too, but the dragon found me.

[limber trail]

young greens are scary

good fun though

[glossy vine]

the breath attack took out the paladin and the fighter before the fight started man, that was some scary stuff

[limber trail]

it's some awesome work

and hey you guys have now legitimately taken out a foe geared much higher than you guys are

[glossy vine]

yup, gonna carry that with pride throughout the world going forward

[valid geyser]

Level 5 is where PCs really begin to punch up

At least that’s when DMs are comfortable throwing bigger stuff at the players

[rugged hawk]

A random nat 20 on a roll that determines TPK isn't 'legitimate', it's statistic improbability. Which would be another good party name.

'The Statistically Improbable'

[coarse frigate]

praying i filled out my dnd sheet properly XD

[glossy vine]

The Improbables

[small heath]

I guess you can say its:

The Critical Roll ?

[valid geyser]

Rolling a 20 is as likely as rolling any other single number on the d20

[hollow stone]

but it isn't as likely of the probability that one will roll a number that is less than 20

[glossy vine]

yeah, the 20 comes with extras

[rugged hawk]

Also, it wasn't just a nat 20, but a nat 20 plus a roll that hits the AC

So yes, 'The Statistically Improbables'

[glossy vine]

its also a paladin 20, so smite+greatsword+excitement for the first time paladin player

[timber turtle]

Is it okay that edgy characters are so taboo to make?

[rugged hawk]

This is easily chalked up not to party competence (already disproven by being ambushed and downed before initiative rolled), but due to young dragon's inexperience.

[minor cargo]

Of course, the devil's in the details!

But IMO as long as the character still works with the party, it's all good.

[small heath]

Personally I think character personality depends on how the player uses that personality in session.

[livid valve]

It depends on dm and party always

[glossy vine]

I was genuinely speechless, being the most experienced player (who actually fought dragons before in sessions) as everyone else was omg

[short glade]

The problem is not that they are edgy, the problem is that they are usually cringey, brooding, and not team players.

Edge done right is some of my favorite stuff!

[woven flint]

I once got a triple crit with a Steel Wind Strike
Dm joked that I literally did the Judgement Cut from Devil May Cry lol
3 Nat 20's in a row

[livid valve]

Just aim for the wings

How hard is that

[rugged hawk]

Essentially, the young dragon's math was nearly correct, but he forgot to calculate for the possibility that luck might favor the weak party. Which it did, resulting in what was effectively a vorpal strike that took the dragon's head clean off in a single wild swing.

[glossy vine]

The only thing that matters for a character is that they are willing to go on adventures and work together

[short glade]

THIS!

[rugged hawk]

Actually, the only thing that matters is loot. And XP. ||/s||

[glossy vine]

Lootgoblins for the win

[livid valve]

I feel like only bard players have morals

[woven flint]

Us Cleric enjoyers are offended

[jovial shadow]

Joking? D&D doesn't have a mechanic for targeting body parts unless it's in a specific description

[glossy vine]

Bard players have the most straightforward morals: Seduce everyone

[small heath]

I think I am technically going to play my new lizardfolk in this grim hallow campaign I'm in as an edgy dude. I plan for him to basically not talk much with the group as they're going to be breaking him out of imprisonment to help them on their quest. But since they helped him to be free, he can't eat them as part of some agreement.

[livid valve]

Wait what-

[rugged hawk]

Doesn't anymore. That's what Called Shots were for.

[woven flint]

Most of my Cleric characters heal sick and injured people even if some don't like people all that much!

[livid valve]

Hey I'll have you know some demons do have feelings

[limber trail]

the improbabilities

[valid geyser]

I mean also I’ve seen level 5s take on worse than a young green dragon
Like, yeah it is a dragon and its breath punches hard for the level but it’s ultimately a CR 8. A fight that the books would consider winnable for level 5s

[rugged hawk]

Rage is not a feeling, it's a class feature.

[livid valve]

So wait wait you can't target body parts in DND?

[limber trail]

whole heartedly believe they would've figured it out. Players are strong

[woven flint]

Majority of my Clerics also don't take issue with Fiends or Undead 🧐

[limber trail]

not RAW. Or rather, you can flavour attacks as that, but there's no benefit to it

[timber turtle]

I really want to play like a monster barbarian who can barely speak and with a really edgy warslave background

[short glade]

I don’t like it because of the “he’s not going to talk to the group”.

Everything else is good.

[limber trail]

yeah I know it's stressing me out

[livid valve]

So...how do you take down dragons

[valid geyser]

By beating it up until it dies

[turbid kayak]

R u n

[small heath]

That's his initial response. He has that mindset that he sees everyone as a food source (as with a typical lizardfolk), but I intend on making him warm up with the party as the sessions goes on.

[limber trail]

ya kill em.

(Ranged attacks, hope they get close, spells that give flights / range, and effects that might knock a dragon prone are all useful strats)

[livid valve]

No ballistas hwachas nothing?

[woven flint]

I mean...
We're not strong enough to kill it right now anyway and I don't wanna risk abandoning the bag for anyone else to get ahold of it lol

[rugged hawk]

Called Shots used to be a Thing, with mechanical benefits, but that got removed at some point. You'd take a -To Hit penalty to do something specific.

[limber trail]

a well prepared village could certainly have one such thing

[limber trail]

please abandon it we have circuses we have monkeys we dont need a fiend

[glossy vine]

by critting for 45 damage, peppering from a tower with magic missiles every turn and throwing everything else at it, while it thought this was easy prey

[short glade]

The first impression may be a lot to overcome. Do you know the table or are these strangers?

[woven flint]

And be a deadbeat dad?
Never!

[limber trail]

its not your SON its a cr 15+ FIEND

[rugged hawk]

Ask the bards

[glossy vine]

it could also be a son

[woven flint]

I'll call him my son.

[limber trail]

you should not

[small heath]

I spoke to the DM about the idea, and they're cool with it. I spectated the group's first session as I wanted to preview it (I have a friend who's in it and invited me because he thinks I'll enjoy it). The group seems quite chill and they're quite welcoming.

This saturday is my first session of playing with them.

[woven flint]

Okay, I'll call them my Daughter

[limber trail]

what if you look after your real son, who is right HERE

[woven flint]

You're my son?

[limber trail]

hokrun could be

no clue who hokrun's parents are and he has green skin

[woven flint]

Ah, yes, The Orc is the son of a Tortle

[limber trail]

you understand me completely

[rugged hawk]

Why would you do that?

• 18. I will not have a son. Although his laughably under-planned
      attempt to usurp power would easily fail, it would provide a fatal
      distraction at a crucial point in time.

[small heath]

I lowkey thought about making a Tortle Monk and naming them Da-Na Tell-O

[limber trail]

kensei monk with a flail reflavoured as nunchucks

[small heath]

xD

[woven flint]

I'm not even sure if Artanza has any children, too many of my characters technically do already 😭

[somber mesa]

Would be kinda funny if all half casters had Find Steed instead of just Paladin

[umbral girder]

God I love Adventures of Faerun just having so many short and simple adventures.

[small heath]

The lizardfolk I talked about above is a lvl 5 with a minimum perception roll of 10 (19 if I used Hunters Sense cantrip)

Basically reptile hawkeye

[somber mesa]

I like all the maps it has

[umbral girder]

Those are super useful!!

[short glade]

If you got the tables blessing then go full steam ahead

[small heath]

The DM looked at my character sheet and I pitched the background/introduction and she likes it.

[woven flint]

Though, none of my characters have biological children

I had a Dwarf Wizard who adopted a Goliath
An Aarokocra warlock who adopted a Drow
And ...
Those are the only two i can think of right now lol

[humble cairn]

And a Harengon who adopted a Spirit Dragon.

[small heath]

Also everyone in this party has a Transformation of some kind, so I choose to be a Lycanthrope were-bear reflavored as a Were-Crocodile.

[umbral girder]

I miss read that as "Aarakocra adopted by a Drow" and was gonna say "Thats fried chicken."

[woven flint]

Ah, yes!
By bringing her into existence throygh the deck of many things

[short glade]

If the DM and table blessing it then you got all the approval ya need.

[limber trail]

I wanna bring the deck of many things into a game one of these days

[woven flint]

Wouldn't that make Malaketh her... biological father though???

I mean.. he's responsible for bringing her into existence... albeit by himself lol

[umbral girder]

Would that make the Deck the mother?

[small heath]

a bbeg with a deck of many things and a sorcerer with a deck of many things battle it out in a 1v1.

Yes this is officially a Yugioh battle.

[humble cairn]

Spiritual, not biological.

[woven flint]

Give everyone 6 summoning cubes to act like you're playing Pokémon

[small heath]

Bro imagine a D&D campaign but it's just yugioh

[woven flint]

Ah, yes, her spiritual father 🧐

[limber trail]

I could run one on thursday but I think it might be a bit of a tone killer

[woven flint]

Remove the cards that could completely wreck the campaign and replace them with cards from the Deck of Many More things?

[limber trail]

it's a three shot so I'm not super pressed about losing characters over it

[woven flint]

That's legit a thing btw lol

[limber trail]

ye im reading it now

[woven flint]

Deck of Many Things
And
The Deck of Many More Things

That's hilarious to me

The Dragon card is from the Deck of Many More things

[small heath]

Then make a half elf with very spikey hair with black and yellow colors, and give them a painter's color pallet with slots in it where the cards are in.

Bonus points if they're a warlock with a patron that tells them what to do

[sacred thunder]

any1 wanna join my dnd campaign (only looking for like 2 or 3 people)

[sonic pollen]

Oo maybe me, what kind of dm/players are you looking for in terms of combat/roleplay?

[small heath]

You can also go to #find-a-game and fill out an entry for #looking-for-players

[sacred thunder]

could we perhaps move to dms?

it would be easier

[sacred thunder]

yeah ill try that thanks!

[woven flint]

"Dragon. A dragon egg appears at your feet and immediately hatches into a dragon wyrmling. The type of dragon is chosen by the DM. The wyrmling views you as its parent and is staunchly loyal to you and your allies."

[vapid berry]

I am hyped to finish my first ever dnd campaign as a dm!

[woven flint]

Honestly worth the gamble of drawing a card

[woven flint]

Oh, heck yeah >:3

[vapid berry]

It will end with a tense press of a button

As they will have to sneak around to find it

What do you guys think of that idea?

[small heath]

What's the catch/gimmic, if at all?

[vapid berry]

So they players are building a device that will kill all gods in my world and make them become reborn all they then have to do is press the button

[small heath]

Any traps or hidden mechanics to get this button?

[vapid berry]

But it's never that easy

[small heath]

It'll be mean but kind of funny if you gas light them thinking that the room has all of these puzzles and all of that, when it's just an empty room and all the "problems" are just illusions with very high checks required to notice it.

[vapid berry]

They have to track a mountain go through many traps and as they finally are about to press it the bbg Vale comes and grabs the device they worked so hard to build

And then they have to sneak around to steal it back

What do you think?

[hidden spindle]

I think its great. The risk high and reward even higher

[tardy bronze]

hell yeah i have my first 3d design for a character

[valid geyser]

Looking at elements monk because I’m making considerations about backup characters and wow it’s weird it takes until their capstone to get any resistance

I think I like the subclass but I can see why people find it too generic

[limber trail]

I mean is it that weird, there are other subclasses only give resistance as a capstone (zealot barbarian is the big one I can think of)

[umbral girder]

War cleric perhaps? I think its BPS resistance as a capstone

Or was that a Paladin subclass I am thinking of?

[rugged hawk]

Maybe I'm crazy, but I feel like tracking a mountain wouldn't be too hard. They're generally the biggest things in sight, have HORRIBLE stealth skills, and have a movement speed of zero. They're also generally well-marked on regional maps.

[blissful ibex]

Every class gets resistance as a capstone if you take Boon of the Night Spirit or Boon of Desperate Resilience c:

[limber trail]

That’s not a class feature, that’s an epic boon though

Also not a capstone

[vapid berry]

It's hidden by magic

[woven flint]

It's war cleric, yeah

[limber trail]

A mountain veiled by magic is cool

[rugged hawk]

That's not a tracking check, it's an illusion DC vs probably Perception or wisdom

[woven flint]

I should know
I played one 😎

[vapid berry]

True

[worn lagoon]

is a resistance a huge deal?

[limber trail]

Oath breakers get nonmagical bps res at level 15

[rugged hawk]

Unless it's literally hidden by magic, in which case you can see the mountain but can only actually reach it via a specific path or via a specific item.

[umbral girder]

Ah Oathbreakers. I was thinking Conquest for some reason

[rugged hawk]

Like the Lost Woods and Korok Forest.

[limber trail]

It certainly is nice but not all resistances are created equally

[rugged hawk]

Sure, you can see the Deku Tree from miles away, but you can't actually get there without navigating the Lost Woods maze.

[valid geyser]

I guess a single resistance seems less useful than something like bps resistance

I understand there is a utility in it being a choice of multiple types but just one at a time isn’t gonna be anything to write home about

[limber trail]

While the conquest capstone is up they have resistance to everything

[umbral girder]

Yes

[random sphinx]

Hellooo

[umbral girder]

Resistance can double your tankiness to certain damages

[tardy bronze]

missed chance to call this channel DnDiscussion

[worn lagoon]

Having 1-2 resistances doesn't seem as powerful as people make it out to be because it doesn't come up most of the time

[umbral girder]

Greetings!

[limber trail]

Shoutout my zealot barbarian who was resistant to basically everything I threw at them and took 500 points of damage last encounter without going down

[umbral girder]

Yeah resistance can be insanely effective

[random sphinx]

Hiya ^_^

[worn lagoon]

The exception i'd make to that is like physical-slashing-piercing but ONLY if you get all at once

[umbral girder]

Plus certain resistances let you flat out ignore some enviromental hazards too

[random sphinx]

I'm playing my first actual characters this year, I'm really enjoying them ^_^

[umbral girder]

Awesome! What are you playing as?

[worn lagoon]

I remember in my first campaign I was fire-immune at all times but it never came up because the entire campaign setting was underwater

[random sphinx]

I'm playing a Goliath Cleric on Tuesdays, and a Halfling Paladin on Thursdays ^_^

[umbral girder]

So you got a feature for the wrong campaign.

Well more a wrong feature for the Campaign.

[umbral girder]

Wonderful combos.

[random sphinx]

I love playing war cleric, it's so awesome

[umbral girder]

Oh yeah I had a level 20 War cleric before and he was beast

[fickle burrow]

Is dhampir and self astral monk a good combination? Or would y'all recommend another race

[random sphinx]

Also, I need to stop thinking that my characters are overpowered, they're just normal, I'm just not used to not being level 2 lol

[umbral girder]

Also had a moment I was most proud of with that War Cleric as a DM.

He used his Divine Intervention to make a Simulacrum of himself. But I reflavored it as his god's avatar coming down to help.

[blissful ibex]

yeah, there's a world of difference between levels 1 and 2 XD

[fickle burrow]

Anyone..?

[random sphinx]

I know!
I'm level 5 now, but it's still just weird :3

[blissful ibex]

Might want to try in #optimization
Remember to specify if 2014 or 2024

[lavish flame]

the only "concern" I have is with Spider Climb and Acrobatic Movement. For traveling up vertical surfaces, they both do basically the same thing.

[rugged hawk]

Spider Climb can be dispelled, ergo, objectively worse.

[blissful ibex]

Not with dhampir, it's a species trait, not a spell in that case

[ashen folio]

Oi, for a spellfire sorcerer character (with elemental adept fire as a feat) which buff do you guys think would make more sense: Investiture of Flame, or Tasha's Otherworldly Guise

[limber trail]

spider climb is kind of more useful as you can stand on walls & ceilings

[ashen folio]

Level 14, if that matters.

[blissful ibex]

Yeah, the big difference is that the monk falls if they stop moving, but spiderclimb can literally end their turn standing or prone on the ceiling if they wanted to

[limber trail]

I do like otherworldy guise as a way to get a fly speed and some nice buffs as a bonus action while leaving your action open for a cantrip/magic item/whatever

[burnt valley]

climbing speed is pseudo-flight

[ashen folio]

quicken spell and absorbing spells (successful counterspells adding sorcery points) kinda make bonus actions moot lol

Forreal, Spellfire is kinda a busted subclass for absorb spells alone.

[limber trail]

it is still a nice spell to get as a bonus action, no sorcery points needed

[ashen folio]

true

[limber trail]

even if you can do other stuff with that bonus action, it ends up being a really good fly+

otherworldy guise also just does more

[blissful ibex]

and that's on top of the really solid support spell list and the ability to do chip damage or give out small bits of temp HP

[lavish flame]

you can't dispel a natural Climbing speed

[ashen folio]

and Otherworldly Guise does seem like objectively the better buff, though it lasts only a minute compared to Investiture's 10 minute long use. It does give you two attacks as well, but doesn't give you free fire spitting like Investiture's... So it's a debate of 'weaker and longer vs stronger and shorter'

[ashen folio]

Guiding bolt my beloved.

[limber trail]

Investiture of flame is longer but also has less stuff to do with that longer duration

[ashen folio]

exactly. AND it even gives an option to be immune to necrotic and radient if you choose the other side of the spell.

[limber trail]

Otherworldly guise also just gives you more options

[blissful ibex]

Good if you're expecting multiple flights in a row, but it's shorter and stronger tends to be better in a lot of instances

[ashen folio]

yeeeeh yeh guise it is

[woven flint]

Otherworldly Guise is incredibly powerful

My Bladesinger and Celestial Warlock fellows both use it quite a bit

[limber trail]

my big boss I'm running not next session but the session after has otherworldy guise

gonna be a fun one to drop

[ashen folio]

I also have immolation because I really, reaaaaally want my party to be sneaking around, my guy subtle casting that spell on a secret meeting and some dude just spontaniously combusting lol

[burnt valley]

It's also a pretty good glyph of warding option

[rugged hawk]

I mean, sure you can. It's called 'target the wall'. Can't climb a block of empty air.

[wise mica]

What's y'all's fav class/archetype at level 8 specifically

[limber trail]

once played a level 2 bladesinger wizard / level 6 psi warrior fighter I had a ton of fun with

[woven flint]

Monk literally at any level lol

[ashen folio]

Just enough levels of rogue to get to assassin and any fighter subclass is pretty solid. Surprise attack auto critting is always good.

[limber trail]

was a fun one shot, maybe I could rework it into 2024 as a backup....

[ashen folio]

Well, 2014 Assassin I guess. Not 2024.

[ashen folio]

OH, Twilight Domain clerics are always great after level 5.

[wise mica]

Assassin is lots of fun but I don't like their combat stuff. I've always felt like old auto crit works better if you stick to non-combat takedowns. I've always wanted to try that with a good group lol

[lavish flame]

I'm voting Battlemaster Fighter

[ashen folio]

Assassin and gloomstalker also works.

[limber trail]

always a great choice

[umbral girder]

Love me Fey Wanderer for Mechanics and Assassin rogue for flavor.

[ashen folio]

sneak attack with a longbow, auto crit, and you get dread ambusher shot as well that crits as well, and at level 5 you get a second basic attack.

which is also crit

if they all hit, three arrows in one turn that all crit.

[blissful ibex]

Druid c:, they get their fly speed forms at level 8 and you basically have most of your important spells by then

[wise mica]

Crit fishing, eh? Have you considered ?

[ashen folio]

yeah but it's more fun when it's a rogue/ranger type hehe

[fleet stump]

I wanted to start dnd as someone who knows nothing about it how should i start

[still plover]

#dnd-newcomers can help there.

[blissful ibex]

Vex/Nick short sword/scimitar paladin for 2 attacks at advantage and 3 attacks total c:

[ashen folio]

OH and you get to still have movement and bonus action to sneak away.

that's allllllll one turn.

[blissful ibex]

Read the information in #learn-to-play and 'Playing the Game'; Then follow allong with 'Creating A Character' using either the dnd beyond character builder or roll20 to make a practice character before heading over to #character-discussion to have it looked over.

Feel free to ask any questions you still have in #dnd-newcomers; There's a short interactive module you can play to get a feel for the game, or you could seek out gameplay videos online. Once you're ready to play, head over to #find-a-game, one of the many LFG discord servers, r/lfg on reddit, or your friendly local game store. If you'd like a printable character sheet, those can be found here.

[fleet stump]

thanks i really appreciate it

[livid valve]

Im very new to dnd but wtf is a blade slinger? That sounds sick

Also what's psi

[limber trail]

they're awesome, they're wizards who use song and dance to fight with swords

[blissful ibex]

Melee wizard

[livid valve]

...sounds like a bard thing?

[wise mica]

Kinda like pf magus or bloodrager except bard and not skald

[limber trail]

Psi Warriors are fighters who mix their attacks with telekinesis & mind magic to deal powerful blows. They're pretty similar to Jedi.

[limber trail]

nah, these are wizards

[livid valve]

But alright forgetting the singing dancing part how is melee wizard

[woven flint]

Pretty damn fun

[limber trail]

with a bladesinger, it's so much fun to play a melee wizard

[woven flint]

Especially with the amount of Self-Buffs wizards get

[blissful ibex]

They're skirmishers, they dip in and out of melee with their sword and throw around wizard spells

[woven flint]

My Bladesinger who simply sits in Melee:

[livid valve]

Do I get to enchant my sword with fire/ice/lightning/

[ashen folio]

still gotta find a good odin type wizard build. Something that mixes a use of a spear with heavy degrees of magic. Thinking maybe 18 levels of a wizard, two paladin for divine smite?

[woven flint]

Technically yes, but it's not like a base subclass thing
You'll have to carefully pick spells for that

[livid valve]

Why does paladin get all the cool enchant weapon stuff

[blissful ibex]

True Strike is a very good cantrip
lets you hit with radiant damage

Then green flame blade lets you hit multiple enemies with fire damage on your weapon that jumps to another enemy

[woven flint]

Its kinda Paladins whole shtick

[limber trail]

paladins also need to use spells to do that

[wise mica]

Love me paladin. Love me bear totem. Love me action surge. 'ate Rangers. Simple as.

[blissful ibex]

Because they're the cool enchanted weapon and magic mounts gish class

[livid valve]

Your telling me paladin isn't just "sword and shield" stereotype?

[ashen folio]

Not really

[livid valve]

Ok now I want to make a paladin

[limber trail]

paladins are incredibly effective spellcasters and support players if you want to play them as such

[ashen folio]

tbh paladins feel like they can be the most versitile kind of fighters depending on their oaths.

[rugged hawk]

It is, but with more restrictions.

[halcyon forum]

Paladins can be played in a bunch of different ways

[limber trail]

I played a paladin in a one shot a few weeks back with tokii and the support I had was ungodly

[blissful ibex]

Pure martial, they fall behind Barbarian and Fighter but they have a much wider range and utility due to their spellcasting and Auras are generally really good

[woven flint]

My Paladins specifically have used:
Fists
Great Weapons
Dual-Wielding
I've never Sword and Board with a Paladin like.. ever

[ashen folio]

Like valkyries from Norse mythos would probably be paladins. As would most demigods from greek mythos.

[limber trail]

most of my paladins have been sword and board

[blissful ibex]

Mine uses a Glaive
my friend's uses dual weilding

Can also do thrown weapon javalin/axe/dagger paladin

[woven flint]

I don't typically Sword and Board with any martials, there are rare exceptions when magic Shields are involved

[blissful ibex]

Smite doesn't work at range but you can melee with those too

[ashen folio]

+2 AC is nice.

[celest sail]

TWF paladin sounds really cool

[wise mica]

Shield plus dueling is optimal iirc. GWM gets competitive at higher levels.

[woven flint]

My Cavalier Fighter Swords and Boards, specifically because he really wants to be a Knight like his Great Grandfather

He uses a Flail though, most of the time

[ashen folio]

I do want to find a good hybrid subclass of paladin that uses druid magic though. Give the Freya vibe from GoW

[limber trail]

shield plus dueling has been my main real setup when i've played paladins but that's because I've had magic shields usually

[limber trail]

oath of the ancients

[woven flint]

Ancients Paladin

[ashen folio]

Those use druid stuff? Huh, never played with that oath before

[woven flint]

Play an Ancients Paladin and also choose a Background or ask your dm if you can replace your Background feat with the Druid Magic Initiate
And then..
Druid Paladin

[ashen folio]

oh you right

[limber trail]

tokii gimme a name for an ancients paladin

[woven flint]

What species?

[limber trail]

any, you're inventing the leader of the order of ancients in my paladin city-state

[blissful ibex]

Could also multiclass a bit into College of the Moon bard to double down on the flavor and get access to some better spell slots
6 Oath of Ancients Paladin / 4 College of the Moon Bard would be rather nice

[woven flint]

Gebralter Wayfinder
A Goliath Ancients Paladin

[limber trail]

intriguing

reroll on the race? I have a lot of goliaths already ;-; (including the order of conquest leader, who is a major npc)

[woven flint]

Hmmmm..

Hobgoblin?

[limber trail]

hmmm

okay sure

[woven flint]

Shall I keep the same name for him?

[ashen folio]

any particular vibe of fantasy you're going for? Or trying to pull a culture reference for the worldbuilding?

[limber trail]

if you wanna make a new name go for it

[wise mica]

I kinda want to play a sorc at some point. Just for the spells, mostly. Prefer their flavor to wizards; less stuffy, less academic, uwu.

[ashen folio]

metamagic is stupidly fun too

[blissful ibex]

Go for Spellfire Sorcerer, it's reallllly nice
Gives you a good chunk of the good support spells to free up your list and also gives the ability to drain Sorcery Points off of sucessful counterspells and dispel magic

[woven flint]

Vanikith Wayfinder (I like Wayfinder as a surname for an Ancients Pally lol)

[limber trail]

I might extend onto the lore and use a translation of wayfinder into irish, reflecting some Fae history

[ashen folio]

Spellfire Sorcerers, Divine Souls, Shadow sorcery, all good

Divine Souls are also fun if you wanna be a cleric but less godly and devout and wanna use metamagic on their spell list.

[valid geyser]

spellfire? the subclass that lets you spend one sorcery point to do 1d4 damage?

like i dont wanna be negative here but i was under the impression most people thought it wasnt very good

[ashen folio]

You don't get that subclass for that.

[cloud peak]

Is dnd back up?

[ashen folio]

You get it for absorb spells. At level 6 you get counterspell automatically, and if the spell is successfully cast, you get 1d4 sorcery points back.

[valid geyser]

yeah and counterspell got nerfed pretty bad

[wise mica]

Id probably just go with whatever fits the character's personality, can probably just run a sorc without an archetype at all and they'd still kick butt in any situation without lots of anti-caster mechanics.

[valid geyser]

if you wanna play a sorc with healing spells go divine soul

[limber trail]

what kind of weapon do you think an ancients paladin would use

[halcyon forum]

its decent. the 1d4 stuff is a side effect not the main use of the SP

[woven flint]

Good question
Hmmm...
A Spear?
Spear of Joy?
Always going forward, straight like a Spear...
Idk

[limber trail]

yeah i'll go a spear

[wise mica]

Longspear or glaive or whatever for reach 👌 💯

[ashen folio]

could always just use the other version of counterspell if you'd prefer that version and the DM allows it.

[valid geyser]

spellfire doesnt work with the old counterspell. you only get the sorcery point bonus if they fail the saving throw, and old counterspell aint a saving throw

[ashen folio]

I mean that's kind of what I mean. Could just change the Spellfire rules to you convince your DM so you can get the bonus while still using the old version of counterspell.

Unless they are super strict on rules.

But that's a whole other discussion.

[valid geyser]

I'm sorry but "its good if you change the rules" is not a great argument on if a subclass is good or not

[halcyon forum]

spellfire is mostly good for its spell list

[valid geyser]

ill admit that. its got a decent spell list
I just have a lot of gripes with its class features

[blissful ibex]

new counter-spell is honnestly fine, most casters go down in a round or three anyway and even if they burn a Legendary Resistance to suceed the con save that's still one less use they have for something far more devistating when it's the party's turn

[ashen folio]

I still think it's good even with new counterspell. But I get people prefer other counterspell, hence my comment.

[valid geyser]

most spellcaster NPCs have free extra casts of counterspell anyway. Also I don't think counterspell is a spell you wanna use to actively burn legendary resistances

[wise mica]

Counterspell be like "I cast bad autocorrect for ur verbal components!"

[blissful ibex]

It's not a bad option for it though, I'm assuming the enemy caster wants to get their cone of cold or whatever off

[ashen folio]

At the end of the day it's your character sheet. If you want to meddle with rules while still keeping in the same framework for certain perks, it's up to you and your game.

[valid geyser]

like i dont think new counterspell is god awful but its certainly not a guaranteed way to do things like save an enemy from a lich's PWK

[ashen folio]

I know people who still keep the old Assassinate feature even with the rest of 2024 rules being the same. Because new assassinate isn't good.

[burnt valley]

New Counterspell feels like a nerf on the DM's side more than anything

[valid geyser]

i do agree, but just in judgements of mechanics it's assumed we're trying to stick reasonably close to the game

[livid valve]

Clerics are just professional yappers-

[blissful ibex]

I mean, if you know you're facing a lich, you should probably have Death Ward up on the lower max HP members of the party at the very minimum

[ashen folio]

At the end of the day, rules can be adjusted to the game's needs, while frameworks are what you really should look for and be interested in. The framework of spellfire is good, even if you'd like to change the rules on how it works.

[valid geyser]

preferably youd have both. at least beforehand the strategy to deal with a lich's PWK was counterspell. Not the case anymore

[burnt valley]

Silence is still an option, doesn't it need verbal components?

[rugged hawk]

Death Ward + breaking concentration

[ashen folio]

Subtle Spell my beloved.

can't counterspell those.

[livid valve]

Are we talking lich like game of thrones?

[burnt valley]

0/10 ragebait

[blissful ibex]

lich like undead archmagus that comes back when you kill them ||if you don't destroy their phylactory||

[naive cedar]

bards are just professional yappers

[livid valve]

Talking a lot of words for someone in- "tashas hideous laugh" range

[blissful ibex]

Eeh, Wisdom is a primary stat on druid and they have Proficiency in the save on top of it

[livid valve]

Yes but at least their charasmatic meanwhile clerics- "if you don't believe in my pantheon I send you to hell"

[ashen folio]

I will say divine souls are pretty dope. I did have mine have flavored Otherworldly Wings so that instead of wings coming out of his back he just glows and flies about like Captain Marvel instead. Let the divine magic be the propulsion instead of actual wings.

[naive cedar]

bruh thats not how clerics work but ok

[ashen folio]

kinda depends on the Cleric to be fair.

[naive cedar]

although it depends on the god and the setting

[naive cedar]

that is true, but its not a requirement for clerics

[silk hare]

spirit guardians on the war cleric would beg to differ

[ashen folio]

[livid valve]

Point proven

[naive cedar]

shar is a loser and doesnt count

[ashen folio]

PFFFFT

[twilit summit]

Guys, who wanna try to solve the riddle?

[silk hare]

shoot

[livid valve]

You guys are worse then the oath of conquest

[rugged hawk]

Unless you're being specifically sacrificed to something, you generally go to whatever afterlife you deserve.

[short glade]

Shadowheart dissaproved

[twilit summit]

What's the best spell against a blue aaracockra?

[valid geyser]

i also just think that counterspell as a class feature is awfully reliant on fighting enemies who use spells as their main offense, which is uncommon (also again, 2024 gave the mage, archmage, arch-hag, arcanaloth, and aberrant cultist multiple casts of their own counterspell, as well as the arch-hag and arcanaloth having magic resistance themselves) so it can often just be an underwhelming class feature if youre not assuming some dumb cheese where you counterspell ally cantrips and they willingly fail for extra sorcery points

[silk hare]

color spray, so they are not blue anymore

[twilit summit]

Nope

[burnt valley]

Hey, at least, she's better than M*stra
||Trigger Warning: Mystra||

[short glade]

That’s not at all how clerics function

[silk hare]

lmao

[naive cedar]

in all seriousness, "good" aligned gods in most dnd settings are not interested in like, making people believe in them, because people already know that they're real. they have specific things that they fight against but their clerics arent there to like, make everyone believe in them as the best god, and lots of good aligned gods are allies

[ashen folio]

IS she though?

[silk hare]

guys I think we have a copycat in here

[rugged hawk]

Arguable. If you don't worship the , I feed you to it.

[twilit summit]

Who?

[silk hare]

and an owl too, damn so many animals in here

[ashen folio]

Mystra's... weird, but like a dysfunctionally manageable kind of weird. Shar is just awful.

[naive cedar]

ehhh. is ||telling your ex boyfriend to go blow himself up|| or ||stealing the daughter of your sister's most powerful cleric to spite her|| worse

[silk hare]

that did NOT work haha

[livid valve]

Sorry it was the easiest to stereotype

[short glade]

Dat boy Ohgma don’t care if you good or evil. Can I interest you in some KNOWLEDGE!

[naive cedar]

shhhhhhh

[ashen folio]

But all pale in comparison to the Traveler to be fair.

[rugged hawk]

Ohgma's just Hermaeus Mora minus TENTACLES

[livid valve]

Is this mystra person a real person and why is it a trigger?

[ashen folio]

[twilit summit]

Hey, did you come up with any different answers?

[naive cedar]

i mean bg3 is like two years old i dont care that much. however theres always someone who hasnt played it yet

[blissful ibex]

Speaking of, I need to actually finish my STEP remod of skyrim
am like 40% done

[burnt valley]

Yes, i'd rather draw power from the Shadow Weave

[short glade]

Greataxe +1. That’s gotta be it.

[twilit summit]

Dude, greataxe is NOT a spell. And you are NOT Susie

[valid geyser]

I don’t have 60 bucks and I didn’t have enough free storage until I got a new hard drive but I still don’t have 60 bucks

[naive cedar]

mystra is definitely less cruel to her followers though. as long as you dont become a chosen of mystra you're good, and meanwhile shar makes her followers do awful stuff all the time

[blissful ibex]

It goes on sale fairly often on Steam at least IIRC

[naive cedar]

wait, you guys are only paying 60 bucks for new games?

[rugged hawk]

Greataxe +1 is most certainly a spell. You're welcome to argue with its very sharp edge if you like.

[livid valve]

That doesn't help explain anything- i mean literally nothing

[blissful ibex]

I play indy games and mostly get them on sale, New games are like $8

[naive cedar]

but yeah that's why i spoilered it, or tried too at least lol. im not used to the discord spoiler function

[twilit summit]

Anyway that's the wrong answer

[naive cedar]

cries in Canadian

[rugged hawk]

No. I cast Greataxe +1 at the darkness!

[short glade]

I have PlayStation platinum. I got entire free libraries of stuff

[short glade]

Rog approved of this

[marble lion]

I dont buy new games
Also your money is less overall in relativity so you may not be paying more

[twilit summit]

So... You're with me in the dark?

[marble lion]

The number is just bigger

[naive cedar]

bg3 cost 80 bucks plus tax for me

[marble lion]

Well how much is tax

[rugged hawk]

It is dark. You are likely to be eaten by a Grue.

[naive cedar]

this is not true lol we have barely bigger wages than americans do and pay more for everything except essential services

[ashen folio]

Are you getting physical copy or digital?

[naive cedar]

where i am its 15%

[marble lion]

Thats because america is weird. Compared to europe it makes sense

[naive cedar]

digital

[short glade]

BG3 not worth $80. Get PF:WotR for $15-$20.

More game less money.

[twilit summit]

darker... Yet darker?

[marble lion]

So how much did you pay?

[naive cedar]

Idk i dont regret the cost because i love the game

[blissful ibex]

I got it for $60 plus tax in october of 2020 c:

[ashen folio]

can confirm. We are weird and don't make sense.

[marble lion]

92 is exactly as much as it costs where i live in euros

[naive cedar]

it was like 90 cad

[marble lion]

My canadian friend always spends the exact same on stuff as me, just bigger number

[naive cedar]

i dont buy a lot of new releases though

[marble lion]

Currency is relative after all

[ashen folio]

Cue the Brennan Lee Mulligan monologue about how weird and nonsensical America is

[naive cedar]

i am going to buy that eventually

[valid geyser]

I got a friend in New Zealand and she tells me games can be like, 120 bucks there

[naive cedar]

canadians pay more for everything while getting wages only somewhat bigger than the states

[marble lion]

Americans just earn a lot of money compared to elsewhere until you realise where all that money goes

[limber trail]

yeah thats about how much games are in australia too

[marble lion]

America has big pay

[naive cedar]

not for the average person

[marble lion]

Wages in america are way higher than in europe

[ashen folio]

minimum wage here is still 7.25

[naive cedar]

Anyways this is getting off topic so im dropping it but everything is more expensive in canada than in the states except for healthcare pretty much. thats just a fact

[ashen folio]

yeh lets drop this particular topic

[marble lion]

Fair point, i dont mean the minimum stuff but thats relevant

[valid geyser]

I mean it’s also about how far a dollar goes being different from place to place

[naive cedar]

i certainly dont regret paying 90 bucks for bg3 because it owns but anyways

[marble lion]

Its a normal price

I do wish things were less but thats the normal price for a game here too

I just dont buy new games tbh

[valid geyser]

Yeah I haven’t bought a full price game in like a year

[blissful ibex]

yep, federal minimum wage is still $7.25 USD/hour, which is like 6.14 EUR/hour

[naive cedar]

i mean if people are going to pay it companies are going to price it that way. i only buy new games if its from a company i love (which isnt a lot of them) or i know im going to enjoy it

[marble lion]

I am usually still busy with other games long enough for a sale to happen

Then i buy the game at 60ish percent or less

[naive cedar]

i have so much fun playing ancient crpgs from like 2001 that i barely have time to play newer rpgs

i still havent played kcd2

[marble lion]

I havent even played the 1st

[naive cedar]

or clair obscura

[valid geyser]

Also from a relative aspect 70 bucks usd is like. 5 fast food meals where in a country where food is cheaper it becomes worth like, 15 meals

[marble lion]

I really want to but im just busy replaying older games because i have this theme or playthrough stuck in my head

[naive cedar]

food is more expensive in cad but theres less fast food places

[tawdry sentinel]

The takeover of digital meaning games sort of hold their price because you're entirely subject to it being available on sale.

Back in my day you rummage through the second hand bin and come out with 3 games that came out last year for a handful of buttons and a mars bar. Grumble grumble.

[ashen folio]

and the livable wage for one person for a one bedroom apartment is 19 bucks an hour minimum here. And that's in one of the cheaper states.

[naive cedar]

me: hmmm i should play this new game that just won 10 gotys and the entire internet is praising
me:
me: nah, time to play kotor 2 again

[naive cedar]

that is a STEAL by canadian standards

[timber turtle]

Are enchanting and illusion different wizard schools or the same?

[ashen folio]

Me wanting to go to Japan so I can get a nice and massive bowl of fresh and delicious ramen for like 4 bucks.

[valid geyser]

No. Enchantments are more just direct alteration of the mind more than messing with senses

[blissful ibex]

see, you just wait two ~ 3 years and you can snag it like half off on a steam seasonal sale or something
or they'll run it in a humble bundle

[naive cedar]

enchantment is also big with charisma casters ive noticed

[naive cedar]

good point! i got resident evil 1 remake as an impulse buy when it was like 10 bucks on steam and i loved it

[ashen folio]

Transmutation wizards are good for wisdom wizards because you can double up potion creation with a high enough survival check (or medicine check, don't remember which)

[naive cedar]

its a medicine check. and yeah transmutation is goated

[blissful ibex]

The one wisdom skill my druid does not have proficiency in

[reef shuttle]

Hi. Can I ask something weird

[blissful ibex]

sure

[naive cedar]

dont think you're allowed to ask for that on this server

[valid geyser]

Goes against server rules

The server is officially owned by wizards of the coast so they probably don’t want people asking to get that stuff for free

[marble lion]

This is the official server

[reef shuttle]

Oh. Ok. Sorry

[marble lion]

Theyre a business

[reef shuttle]

I just want access to Gunslinger class and the rabbit species…

[still plover]

And yet.

[short glade]

Harengons!!

[uncut zenith]

Gotta buy it

Or join a campaign with the purpose of playing in it that has campaign sharing

[reef shuttle]

Yeeee

[still plover]

Mock up the character using the closest alternative class and species. Halfling, maybe. Or reflavour a goliath, the one that gets the misty step equivalent, and say that's your mad hops.

[reef shuttle]

Hargon with a gun is cool

Anyway.

Artificer icon not working in server..

[limber trail]

?

[karmic pendant]

The closest class wise to gunslinger is probably fighter with a crossbow

[limber trail]

a DM might allow you to get a gun during the adventure

[karmic pendant]

Depends on the dm and setting honestly

[crimson gulch]

i love guns in dnd, the pirates shot at the party the other day and they were like WHAT

[rugged hawk]

I'm gonna kill you with the power of friendship and this musket I found!

Then proceeds to use the musket as an improvised weapon and bludgeons someone to death with it.

[livid valve]

You try throwing a holy water flask on a vampire and tell me how that goes

[reef shuttle]

Ranger + gun?

[rugged hawk]

It goes 2d4 damage

[reef shuttle]

For the role. Next to my name

[marble lion]

Ranger is about exploration, nature magic and a specialty

[vale sage]

Hii I’m new to dnd 😭 do u guys have any tips for new players

[marble lion]

Be cooperative

[karmic pendant]

I mean fighter and rogue could also use a gun

[vale sage]

okay 🙏

[pseudo oriole]

Don’t eat the dice. No matter how delicious it looks

[rugged hawk]

Yep: always roll for romance. /s

[vale sage]

there goes my plans

[livid valve]

I missed by a single number so I "tripped" as I threw it and it landed UNDER the monster

[reef shuttle]

Gunslinger is all about aiming, shooting and mostly dexterity build.

[naive cedar]

roll for initiative

[livid valve]

But what if they look shiny- what if I wanted to use sleight of hand and steal them

[vale sage]

okey thank u!

[burnt valley]

are u talking about bg3

[rugged hawk]

No no, tell the DM to roll initiative.

[karmic pendant]

This all applies to rogue as well

[reef shuttle]

XD

[potent vector]

More so for Rogue

[burnt valley]

i suggest Form of Dread blogs

[naive cedar]

tbh those multicolour dice look tasty id snack on one

[vale sage]

idk what that is but okey!

[vale sage]

literallyyy

[keen cave]

I swear the npc I stabbed was a vampire, I ripped a tree out of the ground, Sharpened it, And then impaled him with it fifteen times and he died, CLASSIC VAMPIRE

[rugged hawk]

Speaking from a DM's perspective, I'd have respect for the audacity of a player telling their DM to roll initiative..... but I'd absolutely take the kiddy gloves off for whatever fight ensues.

[short glade]

1. Read the PHB.
2. Read the PHB.
3. Communicate with your DM.
   4.Read the PHB.
4. Cooperate with your party.
5. Read the PHB.
6. If you play a caster, purchase or make spell cards-if you make them don’t exclude, assume, or paraphrase the spells, copy them fully and exactly.
7. Read the PHB.
8. Ask lots of questions.
9. Read the PHB.

[rugged hawk]

You forgot to mention memorizing the PHB

[livid valve]

I heard in real life most people simply roll the dice and then the dm does the rest describing the scene and not expecting them to understand what rolling does so the dm has to

[burnt valley]

they have a discord server too

[vale sage]

Thank u!!

[keen cave]

HM: Read the PHB

[valid geyser]

At least the first bits of the phb. But ideally read the phb

[naive cedar]

read the phb, read the phb, read the phb

[short glade]

I gave up on that long ago. I settle for just read it at this point.

[woven flint]

Did somebody say Read the PHB?

[keen cave]

Nope

[vale sage]

okey dokey

[rugged hawk]

What if I haven't read the PHB since 3.5?

[naive cedar]

tbf ive been playing dnd for decades and i forget stuff sometimes. hence why spell cards are goated

[reef shuttle]

Awesome guide!

[naive cedar]

i actually like reading though

[valid geyser]

Forgetting implies you’ve read the phb, so it’s ok to forget things because you read the phb

[naive cedar]

yeah like i have to double check what spells do all the time

[short glade]

Wizards of the Coast special forces are outside your home at this very moment.

[livid valve]

I read 3 full pages and that's where it ended

[rugged hawk]

And what about those of us who don't own the PHB?

[naive cedar]

I was going to say to read the monster manual as well for the cool artwork if nothing else

[burnt valley]

so y'know that one lazy town music

[livid valve]

Considering how many proxy decks I have that I pay someone FROM MY LGS to print for me would not surprise me if they were there

[short glade]

That’s kinda like showing up to the drag strip without owning a car IMO

[undone rain]

I may have a 2nd fav class. Bard

[valid geyser]

Then read the basic rules

Acceptable alternative, but doesn’t roll off the tongue as easily as read the phb

[naive cedar]

whats everyones least favourite class. mine is barbarian

[short glade]

Blasphemy.

[rugged hawk]

Wizard. Has real third son energy.

[short glade]

Barbarian is best class in whole game.

Gator no like bards.

[naive cedar]

says the drow who couldnt even became a cleric. smh

[undone rain]

Druid, idk not a fav

[burnt valley]

Also read your spells thoroughly since you wouldn't want a DM to interpret the spell (it'd cause to make an effect different to what it actually says on the tin)

[undone rain]

Their not bad, just not a fav

[burnt valley]

Melee martials

[naive cedar]

im just not into the whole "im big and dumb and rage at stuff". i like some of the subclasses though. wild heart/totem is cool

[woven flint]

My least favorite is Bard

[naive cedar]

im also not a huge fan of monk

[reef shuttle]

Cowrabbit in the Wild West with a gun shooting cute elves just up north

[woven flint]

I love Monks

[burnt valley]

I wanna try Gun Monks someday

[reef shuttle]

Bards are sexy

[naive cedar]

i kinda like elements monks tho they're like avatar benders

[reef shuttle]

Cowrabbit in the Wild West with a gun shooting cute elves just up north

[woven flame]

I like some of the things bards do but my friend annoys the hell out of me with his constant bard characters so it’s a toss up between barbarian and bard for what I dislike the most

[rugged hawk]

I did a really sick Aasimar -> Azata Bardess in Pathfinder.

[short glade]

The Barbarian slander on this server has been crazy today!

[undone rain]

Bards really are a bit of everything ngl. I can be both a frontliner and a supporter with the right gear

[potent vector]

Tbf there's more ways to play a bard than joyous prancing party faces (if that's all your friends portray them as at least)

[undone rain]

Barb slander shall not be tolerated here

[naive cedar]

i have to put up with wizard and cleric slander every day on here

[short glade]

They said my barbarian was offensive because he speaks broken common earlier.

[woven flint]

Clerics are amazing

[woven flame]

I get that I just don’t think my friend does 😭

[rugged hawk]

Settle down, Croods, shouldn't you be back in your dark cave? /s

[burnt valley]

People simply dont realize the power of fullcasters over martials

[naive cedar]

casters > gish > martials

[woven flame]

I like cleric it’s one of my favorites

[livid valve]

Clerics are worse then fallen assimar

[undone rain]

Tsk tsk tsk. They simply dont understand the ooga booga

[burnt valley]

Maintaining the agenda is our top priority

[halcyon bison]

I think I've played barbarian like once so I can't say for sure how I feel about it, but I'm not a fan of "all you can do in combat is attack twice and nothing else" classes
That being said world tree barbarians look interesting

[naive cedar]

If people start slandering aasimar im really gonna throw hands /j

[potent vector]

Prob not a problem with Bard then, just your friend lol. But the same might be said Abt Barbarian, is all you've seen meathead Barb roleplay?

[burnt valley]

True

[rugged hawk]

The regime WotC knows best.

[naive cedar]

i mean one of the reasons i dont like barb is because its a magnet for "Im big and dumb LOL" characters which im just not a fan of

[woven flame]

Yeah pretty much, big guy hit and hit and hit

[burnt valley]

Real, its Wizards of the Coast not Martials of the Shoreline

[woven flint]

Clerics have kept parties alive since the very conception of the game
We will BRAWL

[livid valve]

So have paladins

[potent vector]

Everyone loves the Cleric. Full party Short rest or Hallow letting you go ham will melt your heart fast.

[naive cedar]

cleric, wizard, and fighter are the realiable ogs

[reef copper]

Martials can be really good single target but casters will always have the ability to more versatile

[halcyon bison]

I like big strong and smart characters but that's really hard to make with barbarians because of how MAD they are (pun unintended)

[rugged hawk]

Necromancers > Clerics

[woven flint]

Your take is still abysmal, no offense

[naive cedar]

I like making barbs that are mad but arent dumb about it if that makes sense

[livid valve]

Well it is helpful my paladin assimar speaks that exactly language

[halcyon bison]

Necromancers are awesome :D
I love raising new friends from the dead

[woven flint]

Abyssal.

[livid valve]

Precisely

[woven flint]

Not Abysmal smh.

[primal wolf]

Least favorite to play or just overall?

[short glade]

You gotta learn how to use creative athletics and environment. Pick up big things and throw them, climb stuff, grapple, intimidate people ooc.

You gotta put a bunch of sauce on the Barb

[potent vector]

Even at Nova Casters are busted. CME + Scorching Ray equals profit

[livid valve]

I enjoy torturing clerics

[naive cedar]

either is fine

[potent vector]

We got a Fiend over here . . .

[naive cedar]

fighter is my favourite martial bc its makes the best gish

[woven flint]

Blocked. Reported. Banned. /Joking

[primal wolf]

My least favorite played PC was a cleric; i think my least favorite mechanically is monk

[halcyon bison]

Yeah but that is a bit dependent on the DM being cool
Though I do love grapple/unarmed builds

[woven flame]

What if the cleric tortures back, brink of death? Nope not anymore let’s start over shall we?

[livid valve]

I want to ask a question for you cleric players just hear me out- why do you play cleric when paladin has multiple healing spells buff damage spells ranged damage spells does decent close range combat and can wear heavy armor

[primal wolf]

Cleric has full spell progression

[west ridge]

Just tried tinkering with a rogue X, sorc 1 for the true strike innate sorcery+sneak attack.
Next, I added in magic initiate druid.
Then, it hit me, I probably made a worse ranger, lol

[burnt valley]

If your class is already dependent on DM intervention, I don't think it's any good at all

[woven flint]

Because Cleric can also do ALL of those things

[naive cedar]

paladin and cleric are two different things. i love paladin as well but i love the amount of rp potential and variety with cleric

[primal wolf]

Cleric shouldn't really be in melee much despite their armor but otherwise yeah

[livid valve]

Then why don't they play wizard

[west ridge]

Cleric has more spells, better spells and better spell resources

[potent vector]

I mean, Spirit Guardians goes brrrr

[naive cedar]

i mean i could ask tghe same question to rogue players why they dont play bard

[livid valve]

So what's the difference between paladin and cleric

[primal wolf]

Not everyone can be as awesome as wizard

[naive cedar]

they're different classes and different vibes

[potent vector]

Paladin is locked to melee

[burnt valley]

We are full casters and healing don't mean jack in this game, also the fact we are literally paladins but better

[naive cedar]

found gale's burner

[potent vector]

And has AoP

[woven flint]

Exactly, I'll use the same argument to ask why you hate Clerics, what's the difference?

[west ridge]

They can yeet now

[livid valve]

That's not exactly true I can throw javelins as a paladin

[livid valve]

Oh I don't hate clerics I just think paladins are cooler

[burnt valley]

Wrong, they can still use crossbows and longbows (preferably Guns if its an option in ur campaign)

[woven flint]

Paladins are more effective in Melee because their smites all require hits with Melee weapons

[primal wolf]

I'm probably better at wizard tech than gale

[naive cedar]

also cleric is one of the rare classes that can dump dex

[west ridge]

You can throw a javelin or trident and smite with it tho

[woven flint]

Do you like Mystra?

The correct answer should be no

[burnt valley]

Replace M*stra for us please

[naive cedar]

uh huh. you're not fooling anyone gale

[woven flint]

You can't

[potent vector]

And then lose all the value of the best base class feature in the game (AoP) because the rest of the party doesn't wanna sit back with them

[woven flint]

All the smite spells require a Melee attack in 24

[livid valve]

I'm losing my mind who is this mystra person

[west ridge]

You can, the weapon is melee. Is says "melee weapon" not "melee weapon attack:

[naive cedar]

you cant smite with long ranged weapons unless this is another 2024 change im too old to know

[potent vector]

Paladin is good, and distinct, but definitely not better than Cleric

[primal wolf]

being so real: still don't dump DEX, that plus 1 AC isn't worth the ~15% chance to go lower than an enemy in init.

[burnt valley]

Burning multiple slots just to do damage on one target isn't a good idea, its better to take advantage of AoP and be a Bless bot

[kind cliff]

chat I'm low-key stumped on what to do for my campaign

[west ridge]

Im referring to 2024 smite wording

[potent vector]

Wanna steal some of my ideas?

[woven flint]

Javelins specifically aren't used as Melee weapons though :p

[potent vector]

What genre do you want?

[naive cedar]

i know its probably better to not dump it but you have no idea how freeing it is to not have to make dex 13

[kind cliff]

I'm basing it off project moon games and limbus company more specifically low-key, it's sci Fi dtuff

[livid valve]

Whatever makes your players most miserable

[burnt valley]

She-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named

[potent vector]

Spelljammer

[woven flint]

Mystra is the Goddess of Magic and the one everyone hates because she's a horrendous person

[naive cedar]

i still cant get over the fact that mystra 1 died because she told helm to let her speak to the manager

[kind cliff]

what's that.
sounds peak.

[primal wolf]

there's like 5 Mystra's but i'm not particularly fond of any of them

[naive cedar]

fr tried to make fr in space in the 90s

[potent vector]

Basically DnD's fantasy/sci-fi fusion take on space (it's peak)

[woven flint]

Can't wait for the next Mystra death

[robust fable]

The best thing Mystra ever did was forcefemming Elminister

[naive cedar]

tbf midnight isnt even that bad compared to the previous two

[potent vector]

I played One Piece in space with it

[kind cliff]

hell yes
but the thing is
it's giant world, small livable area with very dangerous uncharted land that nobody knows much about.

[naive cedar]

Honestly i thought it was stupid at first but it is surprisingly fun

[burnt valley]

The only good thing she has done tbh

[livid valve]

Ok I'm listening- tell me more about female Voldemort

[primal wolf]

Nystul could've done it better

[naive cedar]

and he continued the tradititon with edwin

[woven flint]

She's not THAT Bad, but she's horrendous.

[potent vector]

. . . So a mysterious planet in the middle of Wild Space, perfect

[livid valve]

WHO IS SHE LOL

[woven flint]

A Deity

[primal wolf]

God of magic in the setting

[wise mica]

Dnd deities tend to be kind of bad. Not badly written, don't get me wrong, but there's two possible good alignments and most of them aren't LG or NG

[potent vector]

God of the Weave, has died 3 times

[livid valve]

Ok finally we're getting somewhere

[naive cedar]

the goddess of magic in the forgotten realms. shes not evil like people meme her to be but shes very shady

[kind cliff]

I have a map for livable area, 15 districts each with a "corporation" that has their own big revolutionary discovery that make them one of the big shots, at the center a mega corp that controls everything n stuff

[livid valve]

So what makes this deity so horrible?

[burnt valley]

A Goddess of Magic, she's tremendously horrible at her job and literally does admin abuse on the daily

[potent vector]

Again, that she died three times, which always causes everything to go wrong because magic stops working

[primal wolf]

if you're a Mystra lover you become an Arcana cleric

[woven flint]

She sleeps around with her followers, she's a backstabber, she's emotionally manipulative.

[naive cedar]

she tells her ex boyfriends to go blow themselves up

[marble lion]

Hey whats wrong with some olala

[west ridge]

Its still a "Simple Melee Weapon" as per the basic rules 2024

[livid valve]

You know what I don't think it'd be the worst idea following her

[naive cedar]

mystra 1 died because she demanded helm let her speak to the manager

[woven flint]

You sicken me. /silly

[burnt valley]

No no no no

[short glade]

I’ve made all kinds of barbarians. You have to figure out what their rage is all about. Then you gotta understand the subclass, and why that subclass hits.

If you’re a berserker you’ve got something in you that burns hotter than anything inside anybody else-what is it?

If you’re a totem or wildheart- what’s your connection to this animal, do you move like this animal? Roll perception checks with sense of smell and such?

Get the idea?

[robust fable]

She is the potential goddess

She is the deity of magic (based) but she is stupid cringe)

[potent vector]

Yeah, ik a little Abt Limbus. I may also even have a magic item system you can steal if you want and spruce up to make the EGOs

[naive cedar]

who is pregnant man emojiing everyone

[marble lion]

Yeah greene has a point

[naive cedar]

i still dont love barb but you're selling me on it somewhat

[burnt valley]

M*stra is literally the worst candidate for her position

[woven flint]

The best Deity we should all love is Kelemvor

And/Or
ILMATER MY GOAT

[burnt valley]

I would rather have Vecna taking her role than anything

[kind cliff]

I'm gonna make EGOs just high level spells that unlock randomly after being told to go mad by funny voice (I'm copying Carmen but making it my own eventually as a concept), but only if you lowkey realize your views.
fail and you just probably die.

[primal wolf]

if you can't cast your spells without help from a deity you're a sin away from being a martial

[livid valve]

My warlock will die for her

[potent vector]

At least Vecna DOES HIS JOB

[burnt valley]

EXACTLY

[naive cedar]

this might be a boring answer but i like lathander

light clerics have tons of aura

[kind cliff]

react this user.

[woven flint]

Mystra is a bum
Like Jergal

But Jergal is based
So we love him

[potent vector]

Hey Paladins don't get magic from Gods

[burnt valley]

I will kill your Warlock

[primal wolf]

Primus 🙏

[livid valve]

I just looked her up how can you say no to that?

[robust fable]

Pathfinder's Nethys who fun fact has 2 personalities (one of them trying to destroy the world) does the magic deity job better

(I know pathfinder but this is just lore)

[naive cedar]

jergal gets tons of props from me after bg3

[livid valve]

That's a yes from me anyday

[woven flint]

Because she's a horrible person

[potent vector]

They confirmed Paladins get magic from Outer Planes according to WoTC (which makes me livid that there is no Mechanis Paladin when they are a class Abt Oaths)

[livid valve]

In DND most gods/people are

[woven flint]

She'll ditch you in a heartbeat lmao

[livid valve]

Meh

[wise mica]

Praise Tyr.

[naive cedar]

mystra is funny though because shes objectively not that bad compared to a lot of dnd gods but everyone hates her because shes just corrupt and creepy

[robust fable]

Mystra's stupidity let to the fall of the best thing ever

[woven flint]

Most God's don't sleep around with their followers.

[burnt valley]

Now if we're talking about Demigods, the best one is Karsus

[marble lion]

What is so bad about letting a mortal get some divine

[potent vector]

. . . I'm not gonna say it, not gonna say it

[primal wolf]

Primus doesn't even canonically let you be a cleric of him; the only people who can siphon his power are warlocks who use magic to capture divine essence

[timid current]

none of the paladins are "insert god here" paladins. any paladin can swear an oath about mechanus

[marble lion]

Like genuinely i think most mortals would love that

[woven flint]

Sorry, I'd rather get divine with Gruumsh over Mystra 💀

[burnt valley]

That sounds pretty cool tbh

[marble lion]

Hey preferences

[naive cedar]

it leads to allllll kinds of problems in the long run though

[meager fractal]

Gruumsh is big muscle daddy

[crystal latch]

We dissin' Mystra?

[short glade]

Normalize it.

[woven flint]

Yes.
Mystra haters.

[primal wolf]

While there were no known cults of Primus within Mechanus,[2] it was worshiped as a deity by modrons.[4] Primus was capable of creating new monodrones[9] and could grant any modron divine powers.[3]

As a vestige, Primus was capable of attracting binders, spellcasters that gained powers from powerful extra-planar beings.[4]

[burnt valley]

i'd rather be a Lolth fanatic than worship her

[naive cedar]

theres a guy who always defends mystra in here

[potent vector]

No, but they are usually thought of as religious, which I don't think needs to be the case.

[marble lion]

Tymora is always up for a fun time

[crystal latch]

Mystra indeed sucks, I support Shar
Not because I like Shar but because I like the Shadow Weave

[timid current]

5e paladins get their power from their oaths. to whoever or whatever they are

[naive cedar]

Okay shar sucks considerably harder than mystra tho

[woven flint]

Not because he's a muscle daddy, but because at least he's not Mystra

[marble lion]

I dont hate mystra nor like her
She seems alright though

[robust fable]

Mystra indeed sucks, I support Shar
Not because I like Shar but because I hate Mystra

[short glade]

Paladin at the church be like “yeah I don’t do all that religion stuff, I just work security here.”

[livid valve]

You know what else is corrupt and creepy? A kenku- its a perfect match

[burnt valley]

BASED AND TRUE

[marble lion]

What is so bad about mystra

[cosmic roost]

No pings, please :pray:

If you see someone with “No Pings” in their name, please don’t @ that user. If you Reply to them, please turn the alert @OFF, and if you forget, a simple apology is appreciated. Thank you!

[potent vector]

Maaaaan Shadow Weave is bunk. Never did anything interesting with it and it's still connected to the regular weave in some capacity

[woven flint]

She's Mystra
That is her worse crime

[burnt valley]

Trigger warning on the word M*stra please 🙏

[marble lion]

Hmmm

[potent vector]

Petition to censor M*stra forever more

[robust fable]

She is the worst person to do her job and her job happens to be the most important job in the world

[primal wolf]

Another deity worth considering: Nine-tongued worm Mak Thuum Ngatha

[naive cedar]

yall you can read the fr lore if you want to know why mystra sucks

[wise mica]

Mystra should abdicate to the lady of pain tbh

[woven flint]

The amount of people that want to tap Mystra is crazy
Though, let's be honest, most of the people in the server who want to, she probably wouldn't

[short glade]

Ohgma, Helm, Gruumsh, and Cthulhu are the best gods. Moradin if your a dwarf.

[naive cedar]

it would take too long to list everything here but the simple answer is that shes incompetent at her job and is inappropriate with her followers

[woven flint]

My Tortle is a Knowledge Cleric of Ohgma!

[livid valve]

As I said that's not a downside

[halcyon bison]

I dunno about this whole "gods dating their followers is fine" idea
Kinda sounds like a massive power imbalance that could easily cause toxic and one-sided relationships
Like dating your boss but 100x worse

[burnt valley]

I wanna give her the Diavolo treatment.

[livid valve]

It depends who you ask I guess

[naive cedar]

well yeah it is

[short glade]

Guaranteed to be an incredible character.

[woven flint]

Mystra doesn't deserve to be a diety
A more responsible being should be in her place as the Magic Deity

[marble lion]

"Conventionally attractive woman who is also a god"
Are you really surprised many would find that a cool thing to have done?

[burnt valley]

True, Karsus should be given a chance to run the whole thing again

[wise mica]

I want to join or run a game now, lol. It's been a while. Haven't played since before the new ruleset overhaul.

[primal wolf]

Being god is a fool's errand

[marble lion]

Its literally just normal attraction combined with ego boost of it being a god

[potent vector]

**Literally the biggest power Imbalance conceivable

Particularly when the highest in the chain get to be better than Liches at immortality**

[livid valve]

Also also how many people get to say "I did it with a goddess" THINK OF THE PRESS

[wise mica]

Gm be like:

[naive cedar]

i genuinely cant think of a single unattractive goddess in fr tbh

[marble lion]

I can

[burnt valley]

Tbh, if i were in her position, I would make it so that the Weave is self-sustaining and self-efficient

[livid valve]

I got you- "slannesh"

[naive cedar]

tbf if i were a goddess id make myself super hot too

[woven flint]

I think Gruumsh' wife is pretty hot (Sue me)

[feral fulcrum]

Doesn't she have a tendency to die like every Edition?

[short glade]

This is a thing!?

[marble lion]

As i said, ego boost

[robust fable]

Basicly yeah, Bumstra

[woven flint]

Yes, she's the mother of all Orcs (supposedly)

[marble lion]

Besides shes very intelligent which is quite exciting

[naive cedar]

also a lot of the gods are hot for no reason. that bane mtg card is something else

[potent vector]

High Int low Wis apparently. . .

[marble lion]

All the easier to woo her

[primal wolf]

Different hypothetical scenario. You were born some epically awesome mortal superstar. Maybe you’ve got divine parentage or a mystical butterfly birthmark on your rear. The specifics aren’t important, but basically you get told a lot that you’re the greatest and bestest ever. Those preconceptions then get verified by you waltzing your way into godhood. You ascend to the Outer Planes, ready to accept your rightful place at the helm of creation.

Unfortunately, you run headlong into that first set of entrenched emotionally stunted fossils. The elder gods generally think you are an upstart idiot that needs to shut up while the adults are talking. Used to being at the top of every peer group, you react with understandable frustration. Since you’re a literal god though, this often means crusades, ill-conceived cosmic schemes, and overcompensatingly massive monuments.

[burnt valley]

Sibriex is more attractive than M*stra

[valid geyser]

How are we supposed to rank attractiveness with beings stated to be able to take any possible form?

[naive cedar]

they tend to have certain forms they prefer

[crystal latch]

My top candidates for better deity of magic would be Karsus, Larloch, Telamont Tanthul, one billion lions and my character

[marble lion]

Is anyone ranking attractiveness?

[primal wolf]

"... In summary, the majority of gods are overentitled, unsatisfied, and worthless. Personally, I’d far rather be the bad guy than a plot device. "
-Osvald, on Gods

[naive cedar]

yeah nobody's ranking attractiveness. if that were the case bane would win based on mtg

[potent vector]

My dude's asking the real questions . . .

[marble lion]

I would not recommend that in a server this diverse and progressive

[wise mica]

Idk man if I met one of them god people I'd have other priorities than trying to boink em, myself. Maybe stealing from them. Or asking for a quest. Or like. Single combat, except they must fight at my current character level - for their throne.

[burnt valley]

Based

[primal wolf]

Osvald is based

[marble lion]

Not gonna go anywhere except everyones beautiful

[naive cedar]

WAIT vlaakith is kind of a god and shes ugly. ok there we go

[halcyon bison]

I vote one billion lions because it would be funny

[short glade]

Time to go buy a house folks, catch ya when our paths cross again.

[woven flint]

I'm not gonna lie, I think it's particularly gross to want to lay with Mystra and that being all you want.

Think outside the Box, not inside your pants, people! Smh.

[meager fractal]

Gruumsh wants to fight. And everything else too. He's honest about it at least.

[primal wolf]

Luckily, we have a plan if a god ever really starts screwing with us.

You have an army of efreeti simulacrums stashed on a demiplane somewhere. They can simultaneously cast three wishes per day. That should be enough to level a few hundred temples, kill a few thousand clerics, and create the biggest permanent illusion of a skeletal middle finger the Outer Planes will ever see.

[woven flint]

Overthrow her!

[livid valve]

Build a cabin?

[valid geyser]

I don’t have explicitly existing gods in my games. I find it too much of a headache and can’t be used to portray religion in a way any close to real life, nor do I really touch mythic stories that mix

[marble lion]

Yeah desperation is pretty offputting

[potent vector]

You have clearly not played Sucker for Love to consider the novelties of it

[woven flint]

...
I don't wanna bang gods and that be all I get out of it?
Is that really wrong

[wise mica]

Gate -> caster with wish or Gate -> repeat

[burnt valley]

Scorch down 90% of her followers and she'll drop in power like crazy

[marble lion]

If you worship a god just to get laid, youre offputting

[woven flint]

Exactly.

[potent vector]

Oh, ofc, I meant the things you get as an aside from it, nvm I get what you mean now

[marble lion]

I think that wasnt really the point made though, at least not mine

[burnt valley]

I cast Gate to summon Epictetus and Xerxes

[valid geyser]

Elementals can’t have simulacra

[livid valve]

Now hold on a minute- what if she offered

[woven flint]

It seems to be a point of focus
"The Novelty of sleeping with a God"

[potent vector]

Nystul's Magic Aura

[halcyon bison]

Healthy and well-balanced relationships are good :D