dnd-discussion

[viscid helm]

Cheers!

[wraith kelp]

idk how to not me introverted 🙁

[lyric viper]

It can also be difficult to maintain a relationship with someone when the common ground (work, school, a hobby) is gone.

[wraith kelp]

she was a mom with horrible husband from what i heard so

[lusty tendon]

Meet a extroverted person who will take you to other people and hangouts

[wraith kelp]

um

[lusty tendon]

Jokes aside i get your point but you can only reach out is my advice (like try a dnd club if you have one or an online game here)

[lyric viper]

For D&D I'd still suggest looking out for teen friendly groups in our LFG channels here or on our D&D Beyond forums and elsewhere.

[wraith kelp]

and also i talk to girls and now that they are in puberty they hate me now too so i have no one 🙁

[lyric viper]

Try out oneshots, Adventure League, Westmarches.
Just chill out here and learn/talk a bit about the game.

[wraith kelp]

but i like to be in a school library to look at the books they have but its all for school nothing cool apart from harry potter but yea

i did westmarchers once

i remember hiding behind a tree

[lyric viper]

I basically got into D&D through NwN 1(Neverwinter Nights) Persistant Worlds which were essentially westmarches for 3e. They can be chaotic, dramatic spaces, but also flexible and you can meet a lot of players, some of which might become lifelong players.

[wraith kelp]

also i want to speak in my language when in campaigns cuz i dont really know english very well if yk what i mean

[main maple]

How did everyone else get into dnd?

[hidden spindle]

The one that's on Steam?

[wraith kelp]

randomly lol

[lyric viper]

Yeah, steam has the Enhanced Edition, which really help revitalise the community!

[hidden spindle]

I don't recall. But it was only a couple years ago.

[hidden spindle]

I've been looking and I'm like, "Oh?!"

[wraith kelp]

my cousin played it and cuz stranger things

[main maple]

I got into it because of the ending of stranger things

[wraith kelp]

2 am 😭

[lyric viper]

the NwN 1 Modules (adventures) are okay in of them selves (Hordes of the Underdark was fun), and the Persistant Worlds are very much like digital westmarches, for 3.0 edition.

[wraith kelp]

i did bc of beggining lol

[elfin sparrow]

Played a oneshot 5 years ago, and just kept going after that

[lyric viper]

I think Stranger Things, Baldur's Gate 3 and streamed games like Critical Role really got a lot of new folk into D&D

[wraith kelp]

also idk why i like being alone it brings me some kind of peace idk

introvertion kicks in lol

whats timid?

[wraith kelp]

true

[main maple]

Critical Role got me into the shows which made me even more into dnd

[lyric viper]

Fun little fact-
D&D missed out on a big boost way back in 1982, with E.T. (The Extraterrestial).
In the movie at the beginning they show the boys playing D&D (much like in Stranger Things)

Except it's not called D&D. Nothing says D&D. Only people who knew D&D would recognise it instantly as D&D.

Because when they asked TSR (the company that owned D&D at the time) if it was okay to show D&D in their movie, and showed them the script, TSR said no because the script mentioned money being on the table, and they didn't want D&D to be associated with gambling.

The movie comes out and turns out that money was pizza money. And also, the movie was a HUGE hit.

[wraith kelp]

omgg

jump scare

[main maple]

That’s interesting

[lyric viper]

You'll get used to long messages on this discord 😉

[wraith kelp]

yea lol

i have to go sleep its 2 am

[main maple]

What’s everyone’s current character class and subclass in your campaign?

[wraith kelp]

im not in campaign and i have lots of character so i cant choose witch one tell me witch u wanna know kali eleven or will

[lyric viper]

You should go to sleep

[wraith kelp]

who sent a sad white jellyfish

[elfin sparrow]

Forever DM lmao

[wraith kelp]

i have an apocalyptic time traveler kid character 😭

[worn lagoon]

Baldur's gate.

[elfin sparrow]

Was an echo knight fighter last I played

[wraith kelp]

who can teleport and time travell

[main maple]

Ty for your service 🫡

[worn lagoon]

Then it escalated, and now I'm the necromancer who's really good at death threats

[lyric viper]

Currently DMing a 1e game, because we want to try something other than 5e.
But for fun I tried rolling up a 1e character and ended up with an Assassin.

[wraith kelp]

idk why but i feel like a great player but i know soo little about dnd 😭

whats 1e..?

[elfin sparrow]

1st edition

[wraith kelp]

oh

[lyric viper]

Go to sleep, or I'll start posting extra, extra long paragraphs on the history of D&D 😛

[spare tartan]

I got a flash back to when the first game I played my goblin warlock won a pretzel eating contest and got his picture on the pretzel wall in a very German city we were stopping at

[wraith kelp]

💀 sad little white jellyfish

[elfin sparrow]

That's awesome, I love that

[wraith kelp]

why is elgate typing so long oh no..

[glass granite]

You asked for it

[spare tartan]

It was my first ever character and I lowkey did not know what to do with him after his arc

[elfin sparrow]

What was his arc?

[wraith kelp]

hm..?

did it not send?

[idle oar]

No but please check direct messages from Dyno

[lyric viper]

So, D&D started in 1974 with Original D&D, just known then as D&D. Typically fans called them the 'Red box' or 'White box' and required knowledge of an even earlier wargame called Chainmail-

In fact you could consider that the first D&D was the fantasy supplement for Chainmail!

Now in Oe, the only classes were Fighting Man, Magic Use and Cleric. Dwarf, Elf and Halfling were also classes. You could not mix species and class yet.

This only lasted 3 years until they decided to refresh with properly tested and more fleshed out rules into two different lines-

Basic D&D and Advance D&D

[wraith kelp]

wait um SORRY my english is to bad so idk what i just typed wait lemme check

[wraith kelp]

Aaah😳

[lyric viper]

You going to go to bed, or should I start on Advanced D&D?

[wraith kelp]

OH NO NO sorry i meant to say high school not middle Sorry!

[worn lagoon]

Elgate, do you mind explaining the entire lore leading up to the dracorage?

[wraith kelp]

i messed up by saying middle not high school bc my dumb brain tought it was the same

[worn lagoon]

Maybe follow that up with a nice lesson in Netherese history (all of it)

[spare tartan]

Kill the higher devil that had him in a soul contract and steal his power

[lyric viper]

Maybe delve into all the version of Eladrin across editions too (Fey, Celestial, Humanoid..)

[worn lagoon]

Draconic language and literature

[lyric viper]

All of my conspiracy notes on Tharizun, Elder Elemental God/Eye, Ghaunadaur and Jubilex

[elfin sparrow]

That's pretty sweet. I can see how ending that plot would leave a void in the character

[severe rampart]

What happened to Eladrins in 2024?

[spare tartan]

Myeah but he was literally my first ever character

[lyric viper]

You can still use the MPMM ones, which note the difference between the humanoid ones (which PCs play) and the Fey ones (Which are NPC only).

[wraith kelp]

good morning

good night

[wraith kelp]

also i like drawing random stuff than like talking i class ir something idk

goodnight

[lyric viper]

So for Eladrin, In AD&D to 3.5 they were celestial/outer planar beings from Arborea who only *resembled *elves. They were not actually elves.
In 4e Eladrin was another term for high elves essentially, as 4e had a great rearranging of the lore.
For 5e:
Humanoid (Elf) Eladrin (The playable Eladrin race)
Fey (Elf) Eladrin (MPMM NPC Eladrin)
Celestial (Elf) Elves (not actually referred to as Eladrin, but matches the description from previous editions of celestial elflike natives born on Arborea) (DMG p.60)

Arborea is home to many elves and elven deities. Elves born on this plane have the celestial type and are wild at heart, ready to battle evil in a heartbeat. Otherwise, they look and behave like normal elves.
-(DMG p.60)

So far 'Eladrin' from AD&D and 3.5 (Bralani, Course, Noviere, Shiere, Firre, Ghale and Tulani ) have yet to appear in 5e under those names.

[wraith kelp]

STOP scaring me

scarying *

[lyric viper]

The FR wiki has had a nightmare trying to figure out how to categorise this as they like having continous lore and updating their pages with the newest canon. They've gone ahead and seperated them into:
Fey eladrin, elven inhabitants of the Feywild (matching 5e)
High elves, or "common" eladrin, (Matching 4e)
Noble eladrin, powerful elf-like fey, and (Matching 3e)
Celestial eladrin, a race of elf-like celestials. (Matchingn AD&D)

[wraith kelp]

also make me a recepie of how to cook a demogorgon

[limpid heath]

is there a place for me to post non dnd art or something cuz I’m getting tired of this

[lyric viper]

Not on this server.

[wraith kelp]

someoen said ''No bc this server is not an art server''

[marble lion]

Tired of this?

Go forth and explore other places

[wraith kelp]

someone cast sleep on me pls

[lyric viper]

I can time you out to force you to go to sleep, if this would help.

[wraith kelp]

um

[wraith kelp]

It is evident that this particular solution would be utterly inconsequential.

However, if you desire, you may attempt

[small heath]

Alrighty. Have a good day.

[wraith kelp]

Farewell for now, I shall condescend to take leave of this conversation.

[meager ravine]

Uhhh bye

[meager ravine]

Good luck on sleep

I should be going too tbh

[small heath]

Question: is it a smart idea to challenge a dragon to a rap battle with my 20 charisma in order to convince him to leave a town?

[wraith kelp]

Permit me to elucidate your inquiry. Shall you surrender to the tender mercies of Morpheus, and succumb to a nocturnal slumber?

[elfin sparrow]

The upsides of this working far outweigh the downsides of failure

[lyric viper]

A Flytag with a Dragon? They've been known to shout back, or possible just eat you. Depends on the type of dragon.

[meager ravine]

Morpheus doesn’t like me much so no

[meager ravine]

Do it and tell us how it goes

[wraith kelp]

Alas, that was an unfortunate occurrence indeed.

[small heath]

It's a blue chromatic dragon who's trying to become a god because the problems that my party has been trying to solve for the locals, was part of a big scheme to help him achieve godhood and ascend.

So I'm thinking of instead doing this whole boss fight against this BBEG, I challenge it to a rap battle and embarress him infront of everyone.

[wraith kelp]

At this juncture, being precisely 2:40 in the dead of night, I shall retire to slumber, bidding you a most cordial nocturnal adieu.

[lyric viper]

Theeeen he probably isn't going to be persuaded by a rap battle, and is more likely to be a sore loser about it- or a terrible gloat.

[meager ravine]

Byee

[small heath]

It can all be a distraction while my party set up a trap!

[meager ravine]

I’ll join you in an hour or two depending on when I start up planning a session again it’s nearly 2

[wraith kelp]

Farewell for the present, I anticipate our rendezvous tomorrow.

[meager ravine]

Great plan

[lyric viper]

Some blues might be lawful enough and curious enough to agree to a thing (There is one blue dragon who's known for being able to be bribed with songs and tales and likes kidnapping bards for their hoard).
But one planning on being a god might be a bit too arrogant.

[small heath]

My DM wants us to try and be more "creative" about our approaches, so this is my thought process.

[meager ravine]

Maybe the blue dragon is just misunderstood could attempt giving em therapy

[small heath]

Talk them out of it. Somehow roll a nat 20 and it turns into a therapy session 😭

[meager ravine]

Exactly

[lyric viper]

Depends also on if your DM is using Crits= auto success as well.

[small heath]

"Who hurt you?"

[elfin sparrow]

This is very true

[small heath]

My DM seems quite chill about things and is willing to let us try different approaches to what he had originally planned. So far, he's been good at "rolling with it" while being fair on outcomes.

So it's kind of a toss-up. I can see it go both ways.

[meager ravine]

Honestly give it a shot what’s the worst that could happen?

[small heath]

I mean we're ready for the battle anyways so... that's plan B.

[small heath]

I actually didn't know this! That's neato.

[sterile bay]

Hey everyone! I'm new here ^^ I'm also new to DnD, I've never played the game but always wanted to! I would love to get to know you and learn from you all.

[small heath]

Hey. I only been playing for 2 months but I can still talk about what I've learned so far and how it generally works.

I basically took the "trial by fire" approach as my first campaign (the one I recently talked about, as we are nearing the end), I hopped in without doing a first session (I think it was session 6) and my DM encouraged me to be a sorcerer to fill in a gap of a player who left.

So it's definitely been a learning curve, but I'm enjoying the challenge! I learned a lot of things I wished I learned early on in previous sessions.

[elfin sparrow]

I've been dm'ing on-and-off for about 4-5 years, so I'm always game to talk about that lol

[severe rampart]

Yeah I learned a lot of things in my first session, number 1 is to not turn the main damage dealer into a giant ape via Polymorph (he liked being a Giant Ape though)

[small heath]

Note to self: if you are brand new to the game with 0 knowledge, I personally don't think sorcerer is the best class to start out as, but it's definitely a fun and challenging one to learn!

[sterile bay]

I haven't made a playable character for myself yet. But I just finished spending the last 16 hours on a site called Roll20 making a cool character as an npc that doubles as the end game "boss". I have like 20+ pages in a google doc where I wrote up a story for him as well as campaign notes

I'd love to show them off to any GM who might be interested in using him in a story

[small heath]

Most people here will use roll20 or dndbeyond. You can look for sessions DMs post in #looking-for-players , and find a date, time, and resource access that works for you.

You could also manually put in an entry in both #find-a-game and therefore to#looking-for-dm if you wish to have DMs or other people message you to join their campaign.

A good group will work with someone who's brand new, help them learn, and allow for mistakes and learning to be done, while having a DM that's willing to mold and lean with the party. (This is just my opinion but I think many people share the same feelings).

I personally asked my DM and my party on what I should do on each turn and interaction for the first 2 sessions, then I tried my 3rd session by myself without help.

[sterile bay]

Sounds cool, I'll definitely check those channels out

[small heath]

There are commands this server has that gives you brief overviews of the classes. Simply do ⁨?tag new [class]⁩.

[glass granite]

For example

?tag new monk

[cosmic roost]

Monk

Dart in and out of melee while striking fast and hard
Monks use rigorous combat training and mental discipline to align themselves with the multiverse and focus their internal reservoirs of power. Different Monks conceptualize this power in various ways: as breath, energy, life force, essence, or self, for example. Whether channeled as a striking display of martial prowess or as a subtler manifestation of defense and speed, this power infuses all that a Monk does.

-# Suggested Standard Array assignment
Str. 12 Dex. 15 Con. 13 Int. 10 Wis. 14 Cha. 8

Likes: Unarmed combat
Complexity: High
Starting HP: 8 + Con. modifier

[small heath]

Now this is "suggested" standard array for points when you make your character, but you don't need to strictly follow it. Ultimately you decide how you want your points work for your abilities. Some DMs would rather have you do a roll system and use the numbers to decide what you get. Always consult your DM about how they want character creation to go, and what version of DND you're doing.

But it does give you a great idea on what to focus on when making your characters.

[dull spruce]

apparently i dont have permisssion to post in that chat and idk why

[small heath]

Did you go to #find-a-game ?

[glass granite]

No one can chat regularly in the lfg channels, you have to use the appropriate commands
Which are found in #find-a-game

[small heath]

^^ that channel tells you the commands you are to do.

[sterile bay]

Speaking of making characters, is there a place here where i can kinda show off a character I made and have other people talk about it and give insights?

[glass granite]

#character-discussion !

[small heath]

#character-discussion

Beat you to it! Ha!

[glass granite]

In my screen I beat you!

[small heath]

Nuh uhhhhh!

[glass granite]

Uh huh!

[severe rampart]

I'll be the tie breaker, Nugget was first

[small heath]

😭

That's it. I'm casting fireball on Nugget.

[real compass]

good night, Im new here, any kind person to show me where to play? and how to start a party?

[small heath]

#find-a-game will tell you everything you need about getting started.

[real compass]

k thx mate

[small heath]

np

[real compass]

one more thing, what is a character sheet?

[small heath]

A character sheet is basically a visual description of your character, their species, class, all your stats, any spells, items, everything you need. Whenever you do a D&D session, you will always have your character sheet on standby that you will use as a reference as you play.

Online, many people have roll20 or dndbeyond to have their digital character sheet they can edit as the campaign and sessions go along. You yourself track any spells you cast, any items you buy/sell in your inventory, how much HP you have, any conditions you get, etc.

The DM will tell you what you would change on your character sheet as the session goes on.

[real compass]

huh

ok thanks again

[meager ravine]

No Tren1ty was first

[sterile bay]

I posted my character notes into the #character-discussion chat. Sadly it looks inactive at the moment. But if anyones interested feel free to check it out! ^^

[severe rampart]

I think people are still reading it, it's 25 pages long after all

[worn shale]

Wassup bro

[flat bluff]

Hello there,

New player here. I found this Discord link on the D&D: Beyond forums. If I'm in the wrong channel, please direct me to the correct one.

I'm looking to start playing D&D online. I've made a character. I did my best to make it alright, as I have no clue what I'm doing. I also have a friend who is just as new as me who wants to play.

I've been an avid gamer since I was about 5. I'm 37 now. MMORPG/RPG are my main genres.

I hope someone can guide me to the correct DM's or other players to dive in.

Thanks!

[sterile bay]

Thank you 😅 I put a lot of effort into him as an npc because the idea for him originally started as a 5 part poem I wrote about myself. I havent posted that though, but in a metaphorical sense - Kroaeth is me

[real compass]

who the hell are you?

[worn shale]

Kiss me

[severe rampart]

#find-a-game can help you!

[real compass]

WHA-

[worn shale]

ZUP

[flat bluff]

Thanks!

[worn shale]

Joking aside, i'm a begginee someone who could help me teaching me The basic things of D&D role please 🙏

[real compass]

ye me too pls

[severe rampart]

#dnd-newcomers

[real compass]

copy paste bruh

[severe rampart]

What do you mean?

[real compass]

nah i meant for the other guy

[flat verge]

Hey there, sorry if I'm in the wrong channel or anything but I have an idea for something in my campaign that I'm hoping someone can help me flesh out. It's like a little minigame I guess, but if anyone is interested in brainstorming a little, just PM me or something and we can talk about it. Thanks!

[whole shore]

Hello not sure if this is the right place to ask this but can you buy things ala- cart on dnd beyond like one subclass and not the whole book?

[idle oar]

Not any more - that ended a couple of years back now.

[whole shore]

thank you i am glad that you are not dying

[frail nimbus]

i have a question only for those who are experienced, im new to DND and i just wanted to ask, when making a backstory for my character, should i keep it shallow so its easy to integrate?

[flint burrow]

Is there a way for minors to find DnD games?

[elder tree]

someone just did a idchbtriicf and hit 80% of the things in turn order (allies included)

[glass granite]

If you don’t have a DM, yes.

If you DO have a DM, give it some depth, but not wayyy too much

A good DM should cooperate with you to integrate the character into the world

[hushed mason]

I'd prefer more than less because it's easy to ask you to cut back or modify things than it is to try to tease more information out of someone.

[stoic patrol]

Find a game that's not 18+, they exist!

[frail nimbus]

your the opera singer, nice to meet you again

[hushed mason]

hi hi

[frail nimbus]

you and nugget helped me when i first joined the server and trns out i love dnd

[hushed mason]

Awesome!

[frail nimbus]

im 18+ and missed out on alotta time but yea, man im RPING the shiz outta my character. sometimes i stumble but he says im doing great ahhaha

[glass granite]

Great to hear!

[glass granite]

Oh heads up don’t share your exact age here, it’s against server rules

[frail nimbus]

ooooo

[glass granite]

Must’ve been at least a month now

[frail nimbus]

so you do remember

[glass granite]

I try to, though you mentioning Lady’s opera singing helped

I haven’t seen her mention it in a while

[frail nimbus]

hahahah, i was like ill be an apprentice someone let me into there game!!!!!!!!!

[glass granite]

You weren’t the only one, many newcomers do ask people to take them under their wing

Unfortunately, there’s far more of them then there are of us 😓

I have more personally taught a few players, but for the most part it doesn’t happen

[empty thicket]

yeah, few people really take their time to teach

[glass granite]

Because why would they? Not many have the time nor commitment to teach randos on the internet

[empty thicket]

would love a thing of veteran players teaching a group of players with some oneshots in a big voicechat

[glass granite]

Could be interesting

[empty thicket]

yeah yeah, like recreation for baby players

[rough basalt]

it'd probably be pretty rough imo if not handled well

[woven flint]

My shark fella managed to accidentally rizz up a halfling girl after curing her curse and helping kill a monster on her and her parties behalf and with a natural 20 Persuasion check afterwards, they had a nice date

Life is swag

[rough basalt]

i need to lock in for monday, even if my health probably won't want me to.

[umbral girder]

Give a Tarrasque an Ioun stone of Mastery, Bless, and a +3 weapon

[rough basalt]

Nah, my Monday party hasn't awakened the Tarrasque yet.

[umbral girder]

Get a +27 to hit

[rough basalt]

Give it a Vorpal Sword and 10 portent die that are all 20s

[rain torrent]

Silly question.
Is there a way to play by yourself?
I’m a dad and very time restricted.

[umbral girder]

Yeah I think DM’s guild has stuff for Solo Play

I remember GinnyDi doing a video on it

[rough basalt]

Solo play can be fun.

[umbral girder]

Yeah it was a neat experiment

[burnt valley]

Tarrasque with Tenser's Transformation, Conjure Minor Elementals, Spirit Guardians and Bless

glyph of warding

[cobalt owl]

Many a concentration

[stray atlas]

random thought, are there any deities tied to a specific element?

[fossil hollow]

the second generation giant gods

Thrymm is ice, Surtr is fire, Stronmaus is lightning and air, Memnor is also air (clouds), etc

Skoreaus and grolantor are both associate with earth

[lusty tendon]

quick question because now im curious, what is the best subclass of artificer in your opinions as i think battle smith because of how well rounded it is, but i see how someone could see armorer as being better

[fossil hollow]

artillerist

[lusty tendon]

how so

[fossil hollow]

shield spell, decent spell list, th cannons are good support (thp one)

[lusty tendon]

same with battle smith they also get shield just extra attack and a little robot buddy

[fossil hollow]

the thp and spell list is mostly why artillerist is the best

[lusty tendon]

is it because of fireball?

[fossil hollow]

not just fireball. #optimization can probably explain it better than i can

[umbral girder]

There are the Elemental Evil Princes

Imix for Fire, Olhydra for Water, Ogremarch for Earth, and Yan-C-Bin for Air

[stray atlas]

is there one associated with thunder?

[lusty tendon]

i prefer utility rather than full damage output but ill check them out anyways

[umbral girder]

That would be Air.

[stray atlas]

neat

thank you

[umbral girder]

You could also use Thor

[fossil hollow]

i thought they arent deities though

[umbral girder]

The Norse Pantheon is in D&D. Like Tyr is the same Tyr from Norse Mythology

[umbral girder]

Yeah there is a notably distinction used of Gods vs Primordials

Like Gods vs Archfey or Gods vs Archdevils etc.

[burnt valley]

they already have utility

[vale sage]

Alright, my arcane university party consists of a gnome wizard, an elf artificer, and a goliath druid

im very excited :)

[fossil hollow]

and artillerist provides more

[burnt valley]

yes

[vale sage]

abjurer, alchemist, and land respectively for their subclasses, or the ones they'll choose at lvl 3 :)

[frail nimbus]

i get it, ive learned the basics and i dont have experience but now my passion makes up for some of that, no cringe stops me thats why RP is easier to get into.

[glass granite]

As they say, to be cringe is to be free

[severe rampart]

But there is a limit for me, and you bet I have to mute my mic to laugh

[glass granite]

Oh absolutely

[severe rampart]

Was baby talking a gnome, I couldn't help it

[severe rampart]

It's not a DnD session if there's no moment that absolutely makes you explode in laughter

[cold jay]

I just noticed something: is a 2024 artificer able to have proficiency in martial weapons? It only says they are proficient in simple, and I don;t see anything saying that a weapon created my magic item plans makes you proficient in them

[woven flint]

Some subclasses give martial weapon Proficiency

There's also a feat

[cold jay]

ah, like artilerist, I see

[woven flint]

Artillerist specifically gives Proficiency with RANGED Martial weapons

Battlesmith is all Martial Weapons

[vast sand]

heya yall

[woven flint]

Hello, gaymer

[vast sand]

wowza

[glass granite]

Greetings, individuals who hopefully exist

[woven flint]

Zawow

[vast sand]

ngl I am struggling to find a dm I like the last 3 times I had found a dm drama stuck in this discord server

(not with me but other players)

and it would end fast

[elfin sparrow]

It's a lot of trial and error. I've had a lot of campaigns end due to drama irl, so it's precarious

It feels good when the group is finally coherent, so just hang in there

[vast sand]

I just want one good game

[eternal karma]

Does Magic Mouth require you to speak or can you make other noises such as blowing a whistle (specifically an Aztec death whistle?)

[fossil hollow]

Then speak the message, which must be 25 words or fewer

[sage granite]

its equally as hard from the other side of the table

finding a good group of players that are engaing, invested and are good eggs.

but once you find your grouo, youre set!

[vast sand]

Fairpoint, but my arguments that is isn’t the DM’s job to regulate who they want

I mean, hell they’re the one hosting it

[sage granite]

yrah, but sometimes players show their true colors once you start playing vs the interview process.

Especially when players start to headbutt a bit when there is tense conflict

its a group effort, the DM is just the "judge" it isnt fully on them to babysit their players

already busy trying to juggle and intertwine multiple unique backstories into a. ampaign while both give players what they want while striving to balabce things

(sorry, i cant type on mo ile worth a damn anymore...double wrist surgery suuuucks)

[undone rain]

Oh no im just a figment of everyones imagination

[lusty tendon]

ngl my favorite thing an artificer can do is to make an airpod, a flat item to doom scroll "dnd instagram", and a (non-nicotine) vape at level 1

you just might want a bard to get any music tho as it doesnt come prebuilt for music

at lv2 you can actually make a sending stone so then you can actually make a better airpod, just put it in a tavern where they play often

[vast sand]

Gerp

[undone rain]

So who is volo really. As far as i know hes the one who has written a few dnd books and is a minor wizard

[fading mango]

have a question
192 backgrounds, 838 classes, 439 feats, 329 races is this enough character options or should i add more?

[dreamy thorn]

Crustacean races are immune to time manipulation

[hot reef]

For a 5e system, there’s a pretty big imbalance, should have more feats

[strange vessel]

Would an Oath of the Watchers/Hexblade/Abberant Mind multiclass work

[glass granite]

Three way? Like, shouldn’t be the worst thing in the world

The three classes make sense

[gloomy oyster]

Made a genie paladin for an upcoming 10th lvl oneshot

DM said a 10th level character or a CR5 monster, any Mundane items and 1 magic item(up to rare). Trying to decide if there's something other than a helm of teleportation that would help me and the party most.

Magic weapon is just pretty generic for a one shot

[unborn lotus]

Like you can play a CR5 monster?

Who would take that when it's 5 equivalent levels less than a level 10 character

[ancient siren]

If griffons saddlebag is allowed the Amulet of the Sentinel is pretty good

Theres also the Jordans of Jaunting (Boots of Speed) that I personally like
Amulet of Health if your con score needs to be higher

Magic weapon albeit generic can never go wrong with a flame tongue

Or one of the funny ones like that sunblade

+2 shield can offer an extra 4 ac if your down for that

Cloak of Displacement
Diviners Dice...

Theres a lot of good choices

[torpid stump]

what is everyones opinions on using ai to create a back story. im very new to dnd. hate ai. just was about to join a campaign where they wrote me a back story that i LOVED. i then got scetchy vibes at the end and decied to put it through a ai scanner and the whole thing is ai. even the story line they 'made'. i called them out and said hey this is not it.
is this normal in dnd for people to use ai?
(they didnt tell me and acted like it was their own at the start.)

[glass granite]

I don’t like my players using AI for backstory
And I’ve never done it myself

That being said, it’s not uncommon for many tables (for better or for worse)

I’ve only had one player do it; and I had a chat with them afterwards

[ancient siren]

Meh, backstory is a bit wonky for ai. If it helps you get into the game then sure why not but tbh you're gonna be less invested in that character

[glass granite]

I will say tho, this server is fairly anti AI, so I don’t see many AI users that don’t get shut down fast.

But the topic does come up fairly commonly

[torpid stump]

oh ok ;-; thank you her response when i said thats yuck and at least tell people was 'Like why would i write these all thing if an Ai can do much better you just have to give a perfect prompt with I did cause I know how to use and if in this era you are not using AI then you are finished'

[ancient siren]

Personally I absolutely suck at backstory. But Id rather have my all natural 3 sentence scrap before asking Ai to create one for me

[torpid stump]

i just felt very icky because i gave a little brief of and idea and she said i like that i also have an idea and will combine them.. which she didnt just just purely used ai

[torpid stump]

right! thats what i was thinking. thank you

[torpid stump]

yea :')

[ancient siren]

Yeah, I mean it could definitely inspire an idea

[torpid stump]

i get that too! the way she said she had an idea and could combine it with mine then just used ai was eugh...

thank you for kinda reassuring me in that ;-;

[vale sage]

A backstory can't be that hard to make, it can be simple or flavorful depending on how you want your character to be in the campaigns settings, you don't have to use Ai. It doesn't need to be overly complex

[ancient siren]

When one of the lore scribes were making a world anvil on my character, they absolutely struggled with my backstory segment ~.~

[torpid stump]

see its not like i didnt know how or didnt want to. i LOVE making back stories and i would of made one by myself, when she said she had an idea i was like sick we can kinda bounce ideas off eachother

[vale sage]

True, sometimes character interactions based on backstory is cool

[ancient siren]

[torpid stump]

yeaa! thats why i was like ok we can do this together. because she knows the other characters and stuff

thank you guys! ;-;

[ancient siren]

What are some unbalanced encounters y'all have experienced?

[hot gate]

Hard to say, since encounters that are too hard numbers-wise may still be perfectly fine encounters for the story that is being told.

For instance, introducing your BBEG when the pcs can't yet stand up to them isn't supposed to be fair.

[vale sage]

Getting trampled by 50 elks during level 3

[ancient siren]

True, those are not as bad because its like
"Oh, we're not meant to win this"
But im talking about where you get no plot armor and death is on the line

[ancient siren]

That...

Yeah thats insane

[hot gate]

Then I don't think I've had any of those.

After all, the DM is also interested in keeping things interesting.

[vale sage]

It was a downtime in the campaign, we did a random herding quest and the barbarin slapped an elk, bro a d20 if the elk runs or something else... Bro rolled a Nat 1 and the elks aggro

[ancient siren]

Idk I just experienced a raid with 5 lvl 12 people
(3 paladins
1 barb
1 cleric)
And there were some enemies that could

• Hit through resistance
• Can't be critted against
• Can't be blocked by anti crit effects (Adamantine armor)

[hot gate]

That doesn't sound unbalanced rather than adversarial DMing, ngl.

[ancient siren]

+maiming
+merciless

[hot gate]

Cancelling beneficial effects needs to be done with care, because doing so invalidates character building choices. Few things feel as bad as that.

[ancient siren]

Yeah...it was definitely not an enjoyable experience

3 of us died, but we chained revives and greater restoration to get us all up at the end

[stuck shuttle]

I definitely would’ve talked to the DM after session if I felt adversarial DMing was going on

I guess the enemies’ special features aren’t terribly specific to shutting down martials, nor terribly effective at doing so (crits don’t add a ton of damage unless you’re specifically stacking die to do so) but they do seem targeted to counter specific perceived problems

Given you had 3 Paladins, I’m going to go out on a limb and guess your Paladins found success in spamming smites.

[hot gate]

I had a 30 AC artificer with adamantine plate in my campaign and I never cancelled their AC nor ignored the adamantine effect, because the entire point of the artificer pushing for that particular build was based on the assumption that higher AC means something and that the DM wouldn't just randomly add bonuses to the enemies.

[ancient siren]

Kinda, one was focused on protecting the queen
(Warding bond kinda screwed him tho)

[hot gate]

Evil queen I hope?

[ancient siren]

Nope

[fossil wigeon]

Hey chat!!

[hot gate]

I see, there is a lot more to this story.

[hot gate]

Hey!

[fossil wigeon]

How are you?

[ancient siren]

I mean I could definitely say more but I dont want to insert a wall of text in essentially general

[hot gate]

Good, just had a heroes feast breakfast and I'm thinking about my next session. How about you?

[fossil wigeon]

Good. I am trying to convince my school to make an D&D club but they told me to talk to the counselor but nobodies knows who is the counselor

[hot gate]

I'll just add a random though that may or may not be relevant to the situation, but I'm tempted to think that the DM may have wanted you to not do what you did for one reason or another. But this is something you should talk with them about, as we are just randos on the internet.

[hot gate]

Ohh, that's a bit silly. I'm sure you'll find out if you keep asking people. A D&D club sounds cool!

[fossil wigeon]

I am trying. It's a shame. Because one of my friend really wants to play with me. But two guys is probably not enough,maybe at least three or four people

[hot gate]

One on one D&D can actually work! But yeah, I'd say three players and one DM is a really good base group size. I usually play with one DM and four players.

[ancient siren]

To give you some background this is a community of multiple dms and this is a new continent made specifically to be difficult. Plus everyone has a lot of magic items to make their strong build. So I can understand how it can be difficult to balance

[hot gate]

Alright. Balancing is definitely one of these things you get a feeling for as a DM, but there are helpful tools out there, like the encounter building guidelines in the DMG, the encounter builder on D&DBeyond and the kobold fight club website.

It's not witchcraft and it definitely doesn't require cancellations of pc buffs.

Even if someone has an unhittable AC for example, you can still affect them with saving throws.

[ancient siren]

Uhhh

Paladins with their +5

[hot gate]

Even if you succeed on all saving throws, most powerful effects still cause half damage.

[ancient siren]

True

[hot gate]

And multiple paladin auras don't stack

[ancient siren]

Actually that was another enemy in the encounter

A creature with 10hp but ran 120ft and if it died it essentially spawned a fireball on it

At the end of the round we had to roll for more enemies to spawn. Those guys were set at a d3

[hot gate]

Ah, the exploding enemy archetype, a classic.

People who are interested in homebrew will go to that channel themselves, no need to advertise it in other channels.

[vale sage]

I'm not, I'm just asking

[ancient siren]

I was wondering. In #dnd-advertisements are you able to promote a dnd server? Or is it purely media/art

[glass granite]

A dnd server is #looking-for-community

[ancient siren]

Ah thx

[glass granite]

Type /looking-for community

[ancient siren]

Im planning on promoting the community im in

[fossil wigeon]

Yeah, but it's hard finding people, probably they are busy and have a schedule like me and the time zone

[heady mulch]

hi I'm a new member

[hot gate]

That's why a club with a regular schedule might actually work the best. If people can rely on the session always happening at the same time, they can plan for it and make space in their schedule.

[fossil wigeon]

Hey bro 👋

[hot gate]

Welcome! If you're also new to D&D, you can find lots of helpful resources in #dnd-newcomers and the pins.

[fossil wigeon]

Love the pfp

[wraith kelp]

Greetings, esteemed individuals.

[ancient siren]

Ah, didn't know I was able to change my pfp in this server. Was that a new change?

[wraith kelp]

do u have nitro?

[ancient siren]

Ive had nitro for about 5 years straight

[wraith kelp]

cuz u can change only with nitro i think

gimme some lol

[fossil wigeon]

Wait,you need nitro to change your pfp in this server?

[hot gate]

In any server

[glass granite]

I was under the impression that was every server

[ancient siren]

It is, but some servers have the setting turned off where you cant change it per server

Its usually big ones like these.

[fossil wigeon]

And what does mine look like?

[ancient siren]

Is that bleach?

JJk?

[fossil wigeon]

No,it's not from Bleach. It's Naoya from JJK

[ancient siren]

Close enough

[fossil wigeon]

Yes

[wraith kelp]

cereal killer 😭

Perchance, esteemed companions, should I adjudicate upon the proposition of fashioning additional personae for the realm of Dungeons and Dragons?

The query posed is quite intriguing, what are the salient particulars surrounding this enigmatic query?

[stuck shuttle]

You mean finding a group to play with?

[wraith kelp]

nope

[stuck shuttle]

Then you’ll need to clarify

[fossil wigeon]

Btw,what do sorcerer do? Are they just like JJK sorcerers or different. Like,they do spells or anything like that?

[wraith kelp]

I endeavored to concoct a novel persona for the venerated Dungeons & Dragons.

[stuck shuttle]

So character creation

[wraith kelp]

Ergo, the definitive assertion affirming accuracy, previously verbatim.

ok ill stop bc no one understands me lol

[cursive thorn]

r/iamverysmart Lol

[stuck shuttle]

They’re full casters that get a more limited spell selection in exchange for the ability to modify spells directly, such as increasing the number of potential targets, removing spell components, etc

[fossil wigeon]

Interesting

I might as well be one. It's hard between rouge or sorcerer to choose

[wraith kelp]

i have 2/3 sorcerer characters

[wraith kelp]

u can multi class but i dont reccomend multi classing rogue and sorcerer or maybe is it good? im not sure

[stuck shuttle]

It’s just needlessly verbose tbh. If you’re already familiar with character creation then feel free to post, discuss, ask questions about, or otherwise get feedback on them in #character-discussion

[hot gate]

I'd generally not multiclass until you've got a firm footing in the game.

[fossil wigeon]

I don't know if multi classing is a good idea

[ancient siren]

Yeah...can flame blade proc sneak attack?

[hot gate]

Assuming you attacked with a qualifiying weapon and the sneak attrack triggers are present, sure.

[stuck shuttle]

Yeah multiclassing usually is best as a means to a goal rather than a question in and of itself

[ancient siren]

Oh right

Sneak attack has its own requirements outside of adv

[wraith kelp]

i mean sorcerer and rogue are quite viable together

[ancient siren]

Paladin is just the more viable option tbh

[glass granite]

I do like rogue with a sorc dip

[hot gate]

Don't even need advantage. Advantage is one of the two general triggers, the other being having one ally next to the enemy.

[wraith kelp]

frr

[ancient siren]

Well yeah, but im talking about the weapon being used

[hot gate]

ah right, yeah

[ancient siren]

It has to be light?

[hot gate]

Finesse or ranged

[wraith kelp]

i have sorcerer kali sorcerer eleven and wizard will

[ancient siren]

Ah, that was it

[fossil wigeon]

It does sounds cool. But for an character with an sailor background, probably not gonna work

[wraith kelp]

theres a sailor background?

and for a sailor if ur going pirate rogue will be perfect

[ancient siren]

Flame blade is in the shape of a scimitar which does have the finesse property

[fossil wigeon]

Yeah. My character is an pirate rogue

[wraith kelp]

noice

[fossil wigeon]

I think I will remain with it

[wraith kelp]

i have 4 characters so i cant choose witch to main

ill soon make 5th and 6th character

[hot gate]

While it does say that, it doesn't actually assign the Finesse property to it, so RAW it wouldn't work.

I had also automatically assumed that you had meant Green Flame Blade, because that cantrip uses an actual weapon, so my bad on assuming that.

[ancient siren]

Damn

[wraith kelp]

i once played with a party member that was rogue and every time she was nervous she started dancing she once started dancing on a table in a tavern LOL

[ancient siren]

Nah, I was really reaching for the 3d6+sneak attack

[hot gate]

If things sound too good to be true, they probably are

[ancient siren]

Thats why dnd has homebrew

[wraith kelp]

should i make steve or eddie next? or someone else

[hot gate]

Where "is it too good to be true" is answered by the DM.

[wraith kelp]

can i eat my dice they look tasty?

[ancient siren]

That part is answered by a little "donation" to their paypal

[neon sandal]

Hi chat, I feel like drawing peoples dnd characters for fun but I don’t know where to go for that since a lot of the categories on this server I unfollowed a long time ago

[fair summit]

#dnd-advertisements would be the right place (even if not paid)

[glass granite]

#dnd-arts-and-crafts probably?

[fair summit]

That's for sharing the images

[glass granite]

True

[wraith kelp]

hey i would like something to be made if its not a problem?

[simple canopy]

So in sources for a character what are idel to enable

[wraith kelp]

nuggie ima go write a story 😄

[ancient siren]

Is that where you can share commissioned art too?

[still plover]

Depends on your game. If you're just doing a character for practice, have what you like.

If the game says 2024 Basic only, better turn off those extra options.

[neon sandal]

Oh I’m not looking to advertise, even if it’s for free
I’m just looking to do fanart to practice

I don’t even have a portfolio for that stuff

[ancient siren]

Id be down if you'd like?

[fair summit]

Well then you can just share your pictures in #dnd-arts-and-crafts

But if you're looking for people to give you characters to draw, then the right place is #dnd-advertisements

[neon sandal]

Gotcha, thank you

[ancient siren]

The wording of the description makes it sound like it has to be your art

[neon sandal]

Would you like me to dm you?

[ancient siren]

Sure! Why not

[wraith kelp]

bro ignored me 🙁

[wraith kelp]

PoS

[neon sandal]

I wouldn’t mind!

[wraith kelp]

haha tyy 😄

[neon sandal]

Sorry the cool down for this chat is pretty slow but yeah, feel free to dm with any details of your character

[cursive thorn]

Im guessing its going to a character from Stranger Things in a fantasy outfit.

[ancient siren]

Haven't watched stranger things

Heard the recent seasons have been going downhill

[cursive thorn]

I heard the final season was a masterpiece

[halcyon forum]

opinions on the final season are very mixed yeah lol

[wraith kelp]

correct

[wraith kelp]

eh not really but it was good for me idk other people say its bad bc final battle was only like 10 minutes but it was still good

for me personaly i liked it

[cursive thorn]

Anecdotal evidence are going to Anecdote.

[cursive thorn]

Not a hard guess TBH

[wraith kelp]

i should fr play eleven from s1 cuz im introverted and that would make me like eleven 😄

[wraith kelp]

#️⃣ Dead server

[lusty kelp]

Valid target Animate Dead: thread Necromancy version

[wraith kelp]

i found rasputin song made of stranger things scenes 😭

[main maple]

Good morning gang

[wraith kelp]

gmm

[lost flicker]

Genuine question for other DM's and Players alike, how do we feel about a lot of the newer 2025 spells and subclasses? Namely from the Adventures/Heroes of Faerun books. Like spellfire sorcerer for example, or all the new Wizard spells

[halcyon forum]

some cool stuff, a lot of questionably balanced stuff

[lost flicker]

I personally am a little averse to them, because I feel like a lot of the new Wizard spells and this new Sorcerer subclass are stepping dangerously close to other classes toes

[still plover]

Hope for errata, you think?

[halcyon forum]

ha, I have zero hope anything gets errata'ed for balance reasons

I generally dont mind "stepping on toes" if stuff is balanced and fun btw

[lost flicker]

I dunno

I feel like wizard is already the do everything but tank class, but now it's getting to heal, deflect attacks, and conjure a bunch of constructs?

Notably conjure constructs is not an Artificer spell

[halcyon forum]

that was a bad call, yeah. nothing got added to the artificer spell list

[lost flicker]

Spellfire Sorcerer is just Sorcerer but you get access to a bunch of divine spells

[halcyon forum]

spellfire sorc is just divine soul sorc 2.0 in that way, arguably less so

and divine sorc does make a lot of sense imo

[lost flicker]

Divine Soul Sorcerer at best gets cure wounds, boosts other people's healing, and then turns into an angel

[halcyon forum]

DSS got the whole cleric spell list

they had to pick them, but you could have every single spell be a cleric spell

[lost flicker]

Ah, missed that part at the beginning of divine magic

I mean still, I'm not big on that either

[halcyon forum]

I think sorcerers having divine magic does make a lot of sense in lore.

[lost flicker]

No cleric? Sure, fine, take from the cleric spells, otherwise you're just making your cleric feel less important because you can do what they do with twincast

[lost flicker]

My gripe is mostly with the Wizard getting a bunch of new spells that just do what the other classes do

[halcyon forum]

I guess, they certainly didnt need even more versatility

but I dont think a wizard can do what a DSS/Bard/Druid or cleric can do in terms of healing/support, even with those spells

[hidden spindle]

Technically, they got 5 new spells & 1 removed

[halcyon forum]

I mean nothing in the faerun book was added to the artificer list

[hidden spindle]

True but I don't expect anything to be 'open' to the Artificer

Unless it was like, Everything-series

[halcyon forum]

Eh I think almost every book in 2014 rules that added new spells post rising from the last war also had some for artificer.

[hidden spindle]

True. I think it was Strixhaven & Astral Adventure.

Shame there weren't more Spells from these two but oh well

[halcyon forum]

fizbans too

[burnt valley]

Circle Casting is the best

[burnt valley]

So basically still does everything because tanking does not exist

[undone rain]

I was just allowed to triple stack a smite and dealt 69 damage as a level 5 paladin. The guy turned to ash

Peak paladin gameplay

[tropic plank]

That’s sort of the point of wizards right? They have the most versatility of any class, but they can’t use all the spells without preparing them beforehand, and they’re supposed to be extremely squishy

[robust fable]

Just prepare the good spells and armor dip

[worn lagoon]

Spellfire sorcery honestly is so boring to me in a thematical aspect that I'll buff every other sorcerer just to make my sorc player pick something else

[worn lagoon]

Wizards could always heal

[scenic gyro]

As someone who is playing a wizard to tier 4 right now it’s always bizarre how these arguments of “wizard best” keep coming up. Yeah wizard has a ton of versatility with their spells, but unless the player is meta gaming they have no idea of what’s coming in the next session. They could easily have the wrong spells, monsters with resistance, or situations that don’t call for their kit.

Last session I got pummeled in to the ground and ended up healing the monsters with a poorly rolled Prismatic Spray while the fighter and barbarian T Posed on everything.

The best spell I cast all session was Foresight on the fighter

[worn lagoon]

I'm gonna be honest, that sounds like your fault

[tough lynx]

Foresight is a level 9 spell why did you use foresight instead of wish or true pollymorph? Also prismatic spray is a bad spell even in their one

[lyric viper]

I feel like there are a lot better ways of offering retro-active advice on a situation than this. Remember folk that you will not have been given all the details, so when someone shares a humorous anecdote of how something can go wrong piling in the criticism is not the most helpful response

[wraith kelp]

heyo

[worn lagoon]

There's no attempt at helping them though. Nor are they asking for advice.

[lyric viper]

Then to be clearer- Be more polite in your responses. If you're not offering advice, you don't need to offer critique either.

[wraith kelp]

elgate..

the moderator support chanell someone sent smth

[worn lagoon]

If their argument that wizards are blown out of proportion is based on how they played their wizard, that's a good reason for us to criticize how they played it. It doesn't make wizards worse.

[lyric viper]

Hello, yes.

[wraith kelp]

i mean somthing that isnt supposed to be there

[worn lagoon]

If the way I put it offended them, then I will definitely apologize.

[timber junco]

How do y’all handle entering doors? Me and my playgroup have landed on just seal team 6-ing every door, but I can tell it’s annoying our DM and he’s going to make that backfire on us sometime soon.

[lost flicker]

I don't think wizard best, nobody is arguing that wizard best

I think wizard get too much when martial lacking

[worn lagoon]

I like to slide a snake familiar in through any small crevices a worn wooden door might have

[lost flicker]

I turn the handle

I open the door

One time I had a player try to slip their familiar and watch through its eyes as it entered into a portal into an astral realm where it's body was immediately fractaled into oblivion

[lost flicker]

So just to be sure, I went and took a look at the entire wizard spell list, and found a grand total of 3 healing spells (including the new ones form adventures/heroes of Faerun)

1. False Life, you can give one creature 2d4 Temp HP,
2. Vampiric Touch, you can heal yourself half of the damage dealt from 3d6 Necrotic
3. and this is really pushing it, Wish

So unless we're hanging on the technicality that wizards have a couple spells that allow for healing or something similar, no, wizards don't heal

[wraith kelp]

guys should i play dnd in high school cuz there are more clubs librarys and stuff?

cuz i cant find anyone for dnd now

[lost flicker]

Clerics have the versatility to be a lot of different things, same with Druids, but it doesn't change that their spell lists in particular are more tuned in towards support and healing spells, whereas Wizards are not. Giving Wizard access to healing- good healing at that, absolutely feels like stepping on toes and I don't enjoy that

[worn lagoon]

Acolyte background wizard gets cure wounds at lv1, which works well with find familiar: anything with flight

It's how I became my party's healer at lv1 in this campaign I'm in

[lost flicker]

Omg so notice how that's not wizard doing that though that's the acolyte background, the one that's tuned in for cleric or druid, wow

Let me just, sorry one second

[vagrant quartz]

What kind of healing spells? Aren't there like another 3 ?

[worn lagoon]

All it gives is magic initiate which any background wizard can get at lv4 too

[lost flicker]

Omg wow Acolyte 2025 gives you the origin feat Magic Initiate Cleric, and- what's this?? Magic Initiate Cleric gives you.. gasp, healing spells??

[worn lagoon]

I also disagree big with "the one that's tuned for cleric and druid", those two are perhaps the least in need of it

[lost flicker]

I wonder how that happened, clearly wizards have always been tuned to heal

[halcyon forum]

I mean i dont think a level 1 cure wounds once per day counts "a wizard could always heal" till 2024 rules came out and buffed magic initiate.

[worn lagoon]

You can use spell slots to cast it more so

[lost flicker]

In need doesn't matter, acolyte is the background that lore wise is meant for worshippers of divine magic, I.E, Cleric, Druid, Paladin,

[humble cairn]

Wither and Bloom and Life Transference can also heal, Arcane Vigor and Vampiric Touch can also heal, but self only.

[halcyon forum]

you can now, but that is a recent development

[vagrant quartz]

Arcane vigor- wither and bloom and life transce all heal too-

[halcyon forum]

wizard healing has always been possible in 5e, yes but its been very limited, mostly to self too

[lost flicker]

I said Vampiric Touch yeah

But also I'm looking at the 2025 wizard spell list right now, whereas Wizard doesn't get access to Either and Bloom or I believe Life Transference

[worn lagoon]

Those three are the easiest to tie to Acolyte yes. But you could also write your character to suit it just fine. Mechanically it's more useful on others.

[lyric viper]

Usually THP rather than HP yeah

[lost flicker]

This is so very true, it's also a complete strawman and has nothing to do with Wizard as a class being able to heal

Oh yeah wizard doesn't get access to the two other healing spells it had in 2025

[worn lagoon]

Aye, any full caster is a decent healer in 2024.

[lost flicker]

Magic Initiate Cleric yeah

[lost flicker]

Absolutely not

[humble cairn]

Both Wither and Bloom and Life Transference are from non-PHB sources that are not Legacy, though they are pre-2024. And they are on the Wizard list, so they remain legit Wizard spells.

[worn lagoon]

If your stubbornness against recognizing backgrounds as a valid gameplay mechanic is the only reason not, then I disagree.

[humble cairn]

Ahh yes, I hadn't really looked too closely at the newer spells.

[lost flicker]

2025 wizard spell list does not include either of those spells, 2014 sure but that's an older version of the spell list, mix and match as you like, the only thing I'm stating is that Wizard is not tuned to healing, and I don't think it should be

[sick summit]

day 5 of saying building sized cats should be a thing both irl and in dnd

[halcyon forum]

nevermind, its only one time healing lmao

[humble cairn]

That's not exactly how it works? Those two spells are still legitimately on the Wizard list, they're just not in the PHB list.

[worn lagoon]

Wizard ends up better at healing than any otherwise non-healing full-caster because find familiar's cool for delivering cure wounds

[lost flicker]

I never said anything against recognizing backgrounds as a valid gameplay mechanic, thank you for another lovely strawman

What I said was that the background has nothing to do with Wizard being a good healer, because Wizard does not give itself Cure Wounds, the Magic Initiate Cleric feat does, which is a seperate thing

[halcyon forum]

okay we agree that wizard healing options are there but limited compared to dedicated support classes. I dont think there is too much movement on that front ?

[lost flicker]

Absolutely

Wizards are not tuned to healing, and I don't think they should be, I'm just not big on a lot of these newer spells encroaching on the abilities of other classes- especially Martial classes

[lost flicker]

"non healing full caster" sorcerers right there and is objectively better if we're basing it purely on the addition of Acolyte, purely because of metamagic

[halcyon forum]

I think it comes down to this, while you certainly can play many spellcasters as Gishes, its hardly the strongest you can be. so it comes down how much you value percieved niches

[humble cairn]

If non-PHB spells from legitimate sources weren't considered to be on a class spell list, Life Transference and Wither and Bloom wouldn't have been on the Wizard list for pre-2024, either. But they were and they are still for post-2024 Wizards, as long as the DM allows those books because they are still current books.

[lost flicker]

Also notice how you specified non-healing, clarifying that you understand there are healing full caster, like druid, and cleric, because that's a big aspect of what they're tuned to do, and what wizard is not tuned to do

[worn lagoon]

Twinned no longer works with any healing spell you get from background

[lost flicker]

Nobody said anything about them not being in the spell list because they're from other books, what I said was that the spell list I was referencing was from 2025, which is different from the spell list for 2014

I'm not looking at just the PHB here I have near every book

[humble cairn]

I am not understanding this. If a sourcebook puts a spell on a class spell list, that spell is on the class spell list, right?

[lost flicker]

A) where are you getting that from
B) that just makes them equally as tuned healers, which is not at all

[humble cairn]

And Strixhaven and Xanathar's are still current sourcebooks.

[worn lagoon]

A) 2024 twinned spell only lets you get an additional target on spells that gain an additional target on upcast, essentially a cheaper upcast, but no longer really twins spells
B) wizard has find familiar access, and a crow can deliver cure wounds so you get nearly twice the healing out of the same spell slot if you want to heal at range.

The limit on a familiar delivering a spell with a range of touch is 100ft, whereas distant spell cure wounds gets 30ft with a sorcery point cost

[lost flicker]

Ok

So one of the big selling points of 2024 5e was that the game is generally back compatible

This does not change that there is still a distinct revised edition of these spell lists

I'm looking at it one of two ways, either, Wizard is getting good healing spells, which I don't like, because that's not what wizard is tuned for

Or, Wizard is getting more healing spells than it already had, which I extra don't like, because that's not what the wizard is tuned for

[worn lagoon]

I like wizards they are cool :3

[lost flicker]

Ah okay, I forgot cure wounds up cast doesn't pick an extra target that's fair

Okay then yeah find familiar does in fact make wizard slightly better at healing than sorcerer does as long as you also have a background or feat that has nothing to do with the class as is

Notably by your logic this means that wizard and sorcerer are equally as tuned though to being healer because sorcerer can just get magic infinite wizard at level 4

[lost flicker]

I also like wizards, in concept, but I think they do too much, and I like my other players to have fun

I don't want my monk to deflect attacks and then look over and see the wizard doing the same thing

Only to see the wizard cast Fireball while the monk just deflects attacks again

[worn lagoon]

A divine soul sorcerer with a sage background surpasses both technically

But the sorcerer should just grab ritual caster instead tbf

[lost flicker]

Or we can just, you know, play Cleric or Druid or Paladin

[worn lagoon]

I don't like clerics

[feral fulcrum]

Or people can play whatever they want and have a tiny bit of extra utility from feats/backgrounds. This is also an option, and a healthy one.

[worn lagoon]

They're cool mechanically, i just cannot roleplay a religious character

[exotic pendant]

ive made a sorcerer with warlock background according to my DM lol

my pov is, a 'grief spirit' has triggered the latent magic that my PC has
so to me, its more of symbiosis rather that the more one sided relationship that a warlock pact has

what is the current people think of this?

[worn lagoon]

That's why in this party I am the healer as the wizard

He's got an acolyte background because his clan was involved with the platinum cadre. He knows a few prayers to Bahamut.

[exotic pendant]

Cleric — religious by definition.

A cleric’s power is derived from faith and devotion, typically to a god or divine force.

Paladin — does not have to be religious.

A paladin’s power comes from their oath, not necessarily from worship.
For example, an Oath of the Crown paladin may serve a kingdom, law, or ideal without any connection to a god as a divine figure.

Druid — similar, but different.

Instead of a god, a druid defers to the land itself.
However, this isn’t exactly worship. A druid is more of a preserver than a devotee.

[worn lagoon]

Is this a chatgpt response

[exotic pendant]

yes, and no lol, i asked chatgpt to make my bad text to be more clear :p

cleric def
religious

paladin, doesnt have tobe religious, exmaples it not neeeding related to be agod figure as part of roleplay is oath of crown paladin

druid... fair enouhg. sintead of a god figure, you defer to the land

but thena gain its not so much worhsip and more of a land preserver. you are in awe of nature and its bounties and in your eyes have agreat importane t you but you dont exactly pray to it, you connect to it meditate with it

fix

[burnt valley]

Use Mage Hand from 55ft away to open doors

[worn lagoon]

druids either worship nature itself or a nature deity like silvanus

[exotic pendant]

the almighty pole!

[worn lagoon]

neither of which i'm interested in making a character for

[burnt valley]

That's an option too

[worn lagoon]

only paladin i can really play is an oathbreaker which is auto-banned on most tables

[burnt valley]

Healing Word and Goodberry is all you need

[worn lagoon]

cure wounds is better for wizard as you can do crow ambulance

i kinda wish i could get a second cleric spell for inflict wounds since my wizard is a necromancer

but i'll live tbh, and bahamut's domain is life

[exotic pendant]

the difference of it being a religion is aving mass

other people have made druids and theyre more roleplayed like a hermit more than anything

they dont go

"I believe in nature's power and so civilization should go back to its orgin"

thats wrong lol

ive read someshere that druids ackknowledge civiliation but is basically the bridge between the land of ''man" and land of "beast"

[feral fulcrum]

One can also just use a healing potion if they're not even a caster.

[exotic pendant]

alchemist artificer :D

[worn lagoon]

druids have very varying opinions, even jaheira used to think the city must be reclaimed by nature at one point

[feral fulcrum]

Artificer is a caster, so, bad example.

[exotic pendant]

ope,

ROGUE!

stealth archer/medic

[worn lagoon]

it's funny to use fireball as an example because it's one of the few spells a monk can cast

[exotic pendant]

but you have to acknowledge

its only cleric thats forces religious roleplay

praising a god, every now and then

a paladin, spouting what he has promised as an oath

a druid, their wisdom on the land

[lyric viper]

(Even clerics can be devoted to a philosophy/concept, instead of a god if you wish)

[exotic pendant]

to a point, i havent seen a lot of those

[rough basalt]

Some people don't know that, but most id say probably just do a god for character reasons or default

[worn lagoon]

Also, I think your view of backgrounds-to-classes viewpoint is a bit dismissive. A paladin could be an acolyte or a noble(knight) or even an outlander (maybe an ancients paladin elf protecting a grove alone), it's really not that restrictive

[lost flicker]

Druid or Pally? Thats not the point, you don't have to play a Cleric, but you should get and lose access depending on the class you pick

If you pick Wizard or Sorcerer I don't think you should be able to encroach into Druid or Cleric territory and Vice Versa

[lost flicker]

Doesn't have to be religious to be a cleric, it's about devotion, not about religious devotion, you can be devoted to a domain, or an ideal

[lost flicker]

Whomst

Can old four elements monk cast Fireball

That's crazy

[exotic pendant]

your second statemnt is incorrect I think

the classes are meant to have roles, that their tools dictate them to have

but since wizard has these tools(cure wounds) they can act as they wish

theres divine soul sorcererm, literally giving acess to cleric spell list

[worn lagoon]

i just don't think the druid spell list is very interesting, nor do i care for wild shape. i'm also not that interested in druids in a thematical sense.

issue with paladins is that i'd almost only want to play a conquest or oathbreaker paladin, the latter is frequently banned though so that leaves just one subclass that interests me. i really don't want to abide by the tenets of most paladins. it's just not my style, i'm the necromancer wizard who's rped his way through with horrifying death threats (we saved people this way, it was for a good reason)

[lost flicker]

The phrasing is that you don't agree with my statement, not that my statement is incorrect, because it's not an objective matter and as such can not be incorrect

[worn lagoon]

at like lv11 but yeah they can

[lost flicker]

And you DO NOT have to play a Cleric, Druid, or Pally, but you also shouldn't gain access to Cleric, Druid, or Pally style spells while playing a wizard or sorc

[exotic pendant]

thats what i said? "I think your second statement is incorrect"

I cant make a claim yet without a source to back me up because i cant remember a source lol

[exotic pendant]

divine soul sorcerer does give you acess to cleric spell list, i just said

[worn lagoon]

i'm honestly very thankful for the existence of divine soul tbh, it lets me cover the role of a cleric in a party that lacks one without forcing me to play a cleric

it's also got a lot of drawbacks compared to a regular cleric so it's not an upgrade

[delicate owl]

Divine Soul Sorc.. Spellfire Sorc.... Magic Initiate?

[hot marlin]

I'm pretty sure DarkDawning meant that your opinion, expressed in "I don't think you should be able to encroach into druid or cleric territory" is incorrect. Opinions can be incorrect

[exotic pendant]

[limber trail]

In 2024 especially it’s tremendously easy to get a familiar and druids at level 2 can always cast it using a wild shape

[worn lagoon]

mind you i think 2014 divine soul feels relatively terrible to play compared to aberrant mind

as if one massive really good spell list wasn't decision-paralysing enough, you have two masive spell list and you can, at this level, learn THREE.

[lost flicker]

Oh! That's fun, Wizard gets it at level 5, and at level 11 Wizard gets access to Soul Cage and Globe of Invulnerability and Disintegrate and Otto's Irresistible Dance and Sunbeam and then the Monk gets to go back to deflect attacks

[limber trail]

Wait that’s really old lol

[hot marlin]

To put it another way: DarkDawningRose was expressing the idea that some characters able to encroach into the territory of other classes is a feature of the game that enhances the game. I think.

[hot marlin]

Yes, four elements 2014 is well known as one of the worst subclasses of the game.

[worn lagoon]

the monk gets his ki back on short rest at least, but yeah i think 1/3 casters are a silly and unnecessary concept

[exotic pendant]

what i meant was, it does exist, why should it be derided for it being existing.

[lost flicker]

I know it does, I think it makes more sense on sorc than it does wizard, but I also am still not that big on it though, especially because at least with spellfire or divine soul that's you choosing your subclass, your specialization, Wizard just gets to do that

[exotic pendant]

other caster can do it too

some backgrounds gives you a spell list

[worn lagoon]

divine soul has to miss out on a lot of sorcerer spells because you're using your limited spell learning oppurtunities on cleric ones

[delicate owl]

Not as limited in 2024.

[lost flicker]

Opinions can not be incorrect because they're not Objective, they are not facts they are opinions and as such can not be false

[worn lagoon]

my favorite take on divine soul wasn't even in dnd, it was in a bg3 mod that let you pick a cleric spell in addition when leveling up, which was cool

only one cleric cantrip though

[limber trail]

There’s already overlap between most of the core classes in dnd - shared spells, similar features, subclasses evoking other classes. Pretty common for classes to have subclasses and feats to be more like other classes. I’m playing an Eberron game soon where my wizard is gonna have a ton of healing spells from a dragon mark. Even putting that aside, feats like magic initiate give access to wider ranges of spells.

[lost flicker]

And I like that a lot more than the fact Wizard just gets to learn the spells as is regardless of socialization

[worn lagoon]

fair enough

[lost flicker]

There is a very thin line that overlap stands on before it starts to tread into toe stepping and these new spells feel like too much to me

[worn lagoon]

i like the RAW building tools that we have so my party doesn't have to be screwed over by the clerics somehow just never showing up and then silently leaving the party without attending one session

this one campaign i'm playing a draconic sorcerer but our cleric's MIA so tonight he'll see a god in his dream and a bunch of stuff will happen to make him divine soul

[exotic pendant]

An opinion is not automatically protected from being wrong.

If an opinion is based on false premises, misused definitions, or incorrect facts, then the opinion itself can be incorrect.

ex. EARTH IS FLAT

lol

[hot marlin]

You're confusing "incorrect" with "false". Those are not the same thing. An incorrect opinion is often understood to be an opinion that, while possessing no truth value, is still based on a false claim, false premises. For an example of a false opinion: "I think it's good to have cyanide in my tea", based on the false fact that cyanide is good for you

[worn lagoon]

i've never seen a cleric make it to the second session

[lost flicker]

Earth is flat is not an opinion that's what you call a falsehood

Opinions are inherently subjective and as such are in fact immune to being incorrect

[feral fulcrum]

And you've played exactly how many games?

[worn lagoon]

four

[exotic pendant]

[worn lagoon]

four campaigns, not four sessions

[limber trail]

Basically every cleric I’ve seen has played the full ride of a campaign

[exotic pendant]

ive never seen a monk survive

[lyric viper]

I've seen a cleric go from lvl 1 to 20

[worn lagoon]

I don't know how our clerics keep disappearing

[lost flicker]

Incorrect and false mean the same thing they're synonyms, I'm not continuing this conversation with you

[worn lagoon]

It's like they leave the party to seek their god on a pilgrimage each time

[limber trail]

A cultist conspiracy….

[feral fulcrum]

By being bad players and not showing up.

It's a bad player thing, not a Cleric thing :V. There is a rather distinct difference.

[exotic pendant]

two sides

either palyer fault

or dm not wanting to have a cleric in their game, and so has the mosntrs seem to target the cleric player character

[delicate owl]

Then tbh it really sounds like d&d 5e isnt the game for you if you have issues with certain classes getting limited access to spells they wouldn't normally have. And to put a class into a stereotypical niche and only want it in that niche is not healthy for game development, imo.

Either way, others have said their piece and so have you, so perhaps let bygones be bygones and move on from trying to convince each other how a ttrpg should and should not be, and just enjoy it in our own ways.

[lyric viper]

Yep, I'm going to call it for that convo. No need to circle around semantics.

[limber trail]

Monsters targeting the cleric is some pretty reasonable gameplay for intelligent creatures

[worn lagoon]

i didn't mean they die, the players just disappear each time, and it's always the cleric that does, for some reason

[hot marlin]

Actually they don't! Incorrect can indeed be a synonym of false, but it can also be a synonym of "faulty" or "defective" for example. In this cae, DarkDawningRose is calling your opinion faulty, based on a false premise.

Oh, yep, sorry, ending the semantics

[exotic pendant]

[lyric viper]

Callin' it now- movin on

[exotic pendant]

okie

[lyric viper]

Moovin on- This was addressed to everyone

[limber trail]

Imo it’s pretty reasonable for enemies to target players, and ignore martials in favour of enemies more vulnerable to beatings

[wraith kelp]

why does noone play dnd in minecraft?

[limber trail]

There’s usually a host of better, free tools for running games

[exotic pendant]

which is fair

[lyric viper]

Minecraft doesn't really support the dice and character sheet options, or DMing.

[feral fulcrum]

I hope my DM takes my joking prediction and runs with it. I joked that we'd be mugged by sapient pebbles that formed a mafia, if we went down a rocky ravine in the Feywild.

[exotic pendant]

thats a neat idea lol

a DM can make a 3d battlemap

but that has to be a ton of work on the DM

[wraith kelp]

yeaa

[lyric viper]

There are again, actual VTTs designed for this

[feral fulcrum]

Talespire

[lyric viper]

That support the rules and mechanics.

[still plover]

"The avalanche has already started. It is too late for the pebbles to vote."

[wraith kelp]

u can make some commands to add dice rolling ?

[exotic pendant]

just talking about how it could be used in spite of it not really meant to be used that way :p

[limber trail]

You can, but at some point you’re spending more time than needed for not a huge benefit

[exotic pendant]

LMAO,

i need to use that somewhere

[lyric viper]

D&D isn't just RP, it's specifically the system used. Minecraft can have a few mods added to try and replicate this, but it's not designed for it.

[wraith kelp]

and or chat on discord for sheets and dice and stuff and minecraft for a map

[exotic pendant]

Im discord/avrae dnd player lol

[lyric viper]

There are VTTs and even other video games (Like Neverwinter Nights) that are designed for it.

[wraith kelp]

avrae is goated

[lost flicker]

Classes are niches, subclasses are niches, that's how that works, I've been dming for this game for 8 years now we've gotten past the concept of "d&d isn't for you"

I'm not trying to convince others, and we're not getting aggressive, people are allowed to disagree without it needing to be made into a deal and I don't know why so many people seem to miss that

[limber trail]

It’s also me personally but I don’t find Minecraft super immersive on its own

[cerulean monolith]

Using Minecraft as a VTT would also take just so much time

[wraith kelp]

just add some mods lol

[lost flicker]

I think I heard of someone doing that actually

[exotic pendant]

fair, was just talking about the possibility

but its not gong to be hecking efficient lol

[lyric viper]

Also to be clear, this isn't in anyway a disparagement of playing around in Minecraft and making it more D&D to have fun with.

[wraith kelp]

or dnd on roblox

[lost flicker]

Like making a big modded open world thing in Minecraft to play D&D

[limber trail]

For the cost of a copy of Minecraft, I bought a really high quality mapmaking software, and use a fantastic free tool for running combats (Owlbear rep)

[wraith kelp]

mhm lol

[lost flicker]

There's also that server that's all data packs

[sleek cloud]

Hello everyone

[exotic pendant]

So much lol

if it its just the dicerilling thats fine

but ease of use for dnd sheets and such?

that has to be difficult

[lyric viper]

But just that there are better platforms to play D&D in, and some platforms would struggle actually being D&D and not just 'D&D themed'.

[hot marlin]

Yeah, it's normal to want to criticize some decisions made by game devs. Just because I think the game is taking a decision I disagree with does not mean that "D&D isn't the right game".

[exotic pendant]

[wraith kelp]

just use mc as a map and discord avrae for c sheet and dice stuff

[limber trail]

My experience is also that players don’t like to sit still when it comes to having an actual vtt to play around in and that’s especially true for Minecraft where I know so many people would be running around jumping when it’s not their turn in combat

[wraith kelp]

oh do u know some?

[exotic pendant]

ive made a sorcerer with warlock background according to my DM lol

my pov is, a 'grief spirit' has triggered the latent magic that my PC has
so to me, its more of symbiosis rather that the more one sided relationship that a warlock pact has

what is the current people think of this?

repost lol, i joined the conversation with this, and so far, no comments

[lyric viper]

Neverwinter Nights, Roll20, Foundry, Talespire, even Tabletop Simulator.

[limber trail]

Owlbear Rodeo is a fantastic free site, and sites like roll20 are great too. If you’re paying, which a copy of Minecraft for every player might require, then yeah foundry and talespire are good options

[hot marlin]

I've always been partial to Roll20. It's fast, it's simple, it does everything you could want...

[exotic pendant]

im guilty of this, i spin map tokens when the DM isnt looking

[feral fulcrum]

I don't think NEverwinter Nights counts as a VTT

[lyric viper]

It ... does and doesn't?

[limber trail]

Hey sometimes you gotta be sideways

[wraith kelp]

just play free minecraft on T launcher

[feral fulcrum]

It's the MMO, isn't it?

[serene jolt]

This is also assuming they don't already have Minecraft. Most of my friend groups just have Minecraft.

[lyric viper]

Nah, that's Neverwinter, not Neverwinter Nights. There's 4 'Neverwinter' multiplayer games

[delicate owl]

Same, roll20 is a lot better and easier to deal with than people think.

Dream campaign woukd be talespire though. But that requires a dm Id most likely have to pay heavily.

[scenic gyro]

I mean, given that I’m still having a blast playing the class I think your feedback was pretty lackluster. Foresight gave the fighter a ton of crits, put out a ton of consistent damage, and enabled them to roll more dice. It was great.

[lyric viper]

NwN AOL, NwN 1, NWN 2 and then Neverwinter the MMO

[feral fulcrum]

Too many Neverwinters. Where's my Alwayssummer

[rough basalt]

its in the south

[exotic pendant]

im not partial to it,

the way its run, the code, my laptop doesnt like it

it feels like there has to more effieciency issues that they need to fix

ive seen campaigns load for like near an hour before everything is finally showing on map

[limber trail]

Finally, Australian DnD

[hot marlin]

Completely on the other side of Toril. Like, straight line from Neverwinter, passing through the core

[limber trail]

(And also Philadelphian DnD)

[delicate owl]

I hope you have hardware acceleration on. Because without it roll20 doesnt have the power to run properly. Most browser vtts dont.

[serene jolt]

I want to host with Talespire someday but I need a lot of time to learn an entire new (3d) platform.

[feral fulcrum]

It's full of Phase Spiders

[hot marlin]

Uh... OK I admit, with my compture, roll20 always worked perfectly

[lyric viper]

NwN AOL was a MUD (Multiuser Dungeon)
NWN 1 & 2 were games that you could play single player, much like Baldur's Gate, or you could make a 'Persisant World' which was essentially a westmarch before westmarches.
Someone has made multiple areas and maps, with scripted NPCs, quests, encounters, so on. Multiple players can run around similar to an MMO, but limtied in number.
But DMs could also jump DMside and use the DM tools to manipulate the world and run events.

[exotic pendant]

ive made a sorcerer with warlock background according to my DM lol

my pov is, a 'grief spirit' has triggered the latent magic that my PC has
so to me, its more of symbiosis rather that the more one sided relationship that a warlock pact has

what is the current people think of this?

2nd repost lol, i joined the conversation with this, and so far, no comments

[exotic pendant]

thats terrifying

[feral fulcrum]

It's Australia, even the 'cute' animals are disease ridden and soley consume food that gives them braindamage.

[lyric viper]

If you joined a roleplay server you were expected to stay in character and roleplay, as you adventured around the map with others.
Then events might be run by a DM, like sessions, that you could join in on when available.
So, like westmrch servers, except you actually had a digital 3d map to explore with spawnable monsters, loot and quests.

[feral fulcrum]

I wonder if WOTC will ever get it's act together and make a VTT without shooting themselves in the foot and wasting ungodly amounts of money and time.

[limber trail]

Dropbears are real monsters….

[wraith kelp]

ye

[still plover]

Is the spirit meant to be an ongoing part of the character through the campaign? Will there be developments there?

[exotic pendant]

supposed to be minor

but uh, ive been gifted with an ability because of how i backstoried my character XD

homebrew

"commune with spirits" its like speak with dead but more dangerous XD

[still plover]

Alright, neat. You'll probably be wanting to split your spotlight time between the spirit and other things. See how it goes.

[sleek cloud]

Good luck with that

[crimson gulch]

I doubt it, there's so many other folks doing it better. Wotc can focus on making books

[undone rain]

Ive asked my dm if i can multiclass with warlock. I need more range

[feral fulcrum]

Multiclassing wont' really give you more range.

[still plover]

What's your character doing to unlock the secrets of the occult?

[undone rain]

Eldritch blast sure as hell will

[feral fulcrum]

Oh I misread their post, I somehow read with as As.

As in they were multiclassing out of Warlock.

[undone rain]

Ohhhh

No im a paladin wanting to multiclass into warlock

My characters lacking alot in range

[still plover]

How does your character plan to do that?

[undone rain]

No idea, we did just die and meet the grim reaper before being sent up to life again

[still plover]

Something to think about then.

[worn lagoon]

ask your dm to help you find a sentient weapon which will be your paladin's hexblade patron, ezpz

[feral fulcrum]

Or take Undead Warlock. That's perfectly fitting with having died and come back

[loud tendon]

And using something simple as a longbow won't work?
What drew you to a paladin in the first place?

[burnt valley]

whats ur base class?

oh paladin, play until you get to Lvl 8 then multiclass into Warlock

[umbral girder]

Javelins have some decent Range!

[undone rain]

Well i do have a cursed greatsword that has a voice in my head

[undone rain]

Barely any damage and limited arrows.

[burnt valley]

after 2 levels of warlock, pick eldritch blast then agonizing blast and repelling blast

[worn lagoon]

i like devil's sight

[undone rain]

Oh eldritch blast will 100% be my first pick

Used it alot in bg3

[stiff rock]

does anyone else have trouble keeping up cohesion amongst the group when other players play characters that don't fit the setting at all? i don't know if i'm getting unreasonably irritated because another player is spiderman in our ancient greek themed campaign

[loud tendon]

Are you in a game where you will never enter towns to buy arrows?

Multiclassing is a fine option, but you do lose out on powering up in once class, so if the rest of the team is a mono class you may feel slightly underpowered early on.

If you are using 2014 rules you could grab magic initiate (warlock) at 4th level as a feat and get EB that way.

Not trying to rain on your parade, if Mc was always the plan.. you will enjoy it.

[stiff rock]

like it's just really hard for me to stay immersed when spiderman is rope slinging over a cyclops. he's not made any effort to be a greek-flavoured spiderman - it's just peter parker.

[loud tendon]

Are you the dm?
Because that is something that generally is talked about before the game or in session zero and DMs have a right to say "no" to character concepts.

[undone rain]

Thing is we are having a pretty short campaign, only about 10 sessions or less so

[stiff rock]

i'm a player in the game, and while the DM isn't 100% comfortable with the spiderman player, he wants everyone to play what they'd like

like the DM understands my frustrations with the other player, but he doesn't deem it severe enough to mediate things between us

[halcyon forum]

did you have a session zero where you talked about expectations of tone etc

[loud tendon]

Ah, then have at it.. if you have opportunity to level in that time, may as well try it if it makes you happier. 🙂

[stiff rock]

briefly yes, and we made our characters during it, we all understood it was set in a fantasy style ancient greece but he was stalwart on wantign to play a spiderman-like character. i was under the assumption he'd just be a greek guy with web slinging, but his only living relatives are called aunt may and uncle ben, and he makes no attempt to interract with the setting appropriately

[halcyon forum]

basically at this point, you have to talk to the group, voice your feelings on the matter and try to find a compromise, or leave

[still plover]

Yeah, that sounds daft to me.

[drifting bear]

Hi guys

[stiff rock]

yeah that's the general idea right now. the DM mentioned to talk to the player privately so i'm gonna do that, and if we can't find common grounds then i'm going to consider finding a new group

[royal pasture]

Ive not even played DnD yet but this would annoy me personally, would take me right out if the immersion side of playing

[stiff rock]

i was just wondering if i'm being unreasonable having issue with someone else's character choices with that context

[stiff rock]

yeah that's essentially my issue with it haha. it's hard to take anything seriously when spiderman is tagging along

[still plover]

Nah, it's a shared experience and one player is banging a cowbell while the rest are on violins.

[royal pasture]

There's enough Greek lore they could probably have a spiderman esque vibe going without having to go full Peter Parker. Im sure theres a man spider monster in Greek lore somewhere if we looked hard enough 😅

[stiff rock]

that's kinda what i assumed he'd be playing lol but no it's literally just peter parker

but yeah, thank you all for the advice. i'll have a chat with both the DM and the player about it and go from there

[halcyon forum]

like, the kind of game where one person is literally peter parker is a very silly kind of game, where everyone is doing memes or something. this kind of tone should be part of the sales pitch

[stiff rock]

my thoughts too. i wouldn't have joined with the same expectations if it was gonna be a comedy campaign

[royal pasture]

There's definitely a place for that kinda game (i imagine) but it should be discussed with the whole group. If someone basically wanted to play a Marvel campaign,thats fine but only if everyone else is into it

[stiff rock]

i have VERY strong opinions on marvel which is probably half my reasoning for being so disrupted by it lol

[royal pasture]

Thats fair 😅

[loud tendon]

Do you know what class they are even supposed to be?

One of the reasons we usually discourage People from trying to make "exactly spiderman" in a game like d&d is because their powers are so vast and varied and d&d doesn't have the mechanics to cover every iteration of every power. Also when you stick an outside superhero in d&d with all their powers (regardless of having a d&d mechanic behind it) they tend to be overpowered vs other characters. Which makes the game unbalanced.

[sleek cloud]

They probably used that 3rd party arachnoid stalker subclass from valdas

[stiff rock]

they're just a rogue with a grappling hook

[sleek cloud]

Quite literally Spider-Man for rogues

[limber trail]

(There’s also some challenges with playing an established character in a ttrpg, which is that a lot of the reasons we love those characters is because they’re so great in a those stories, but taken out of context they can lose a lot of shine)

[stiff rock]

it's not like unfair homebrew or anything, it just really takes me out of the immersion that Peter Parker is in ancient greece

[naive cedar]

I could maybe see Frodo or a character like that working in dnd

[naive cedar]

oh my god??? 😭

[limber trail]

I agree. I think inspiration works great as a starting point, not a destination

[stiff rock]

i have mixed feelings towards anyone playing parody characters unless they have a good reason and it makes sense. if we were playing a modern game with superheroes i would not care, but it's ancient greece. the rest of us are greek, he is spiderman

[naive cedar]

it’s seems kind of lazy imo

[stiff rock]

he's a first time player so the DM just wants him to like feel comfortable with his first time

[naive cedar]

that makes sense

[limber trail]

This is really it for me. It’s willfully disengaging with everyone else’s fantasy in order to fulfill something that just isn’t this campaign

[stiff rock]

100% agree

[naive cedar]

the first time I played dnd I made a generic half elf ranger lol. but that actually fit the campaign

[limber trail]

Nothing bothers me more than players who don’t engage with the game in the same way as the rest of the group (cynical reserved edgy rogues I’m looking at you)

[willow sonnet]

Yall we should do a virtual dnd game

[naive cedar]

I definitely think that someone should gently explain this to him because being able to work with the group and rhe setting is crucial to dnd

[stiff rock]

i texted him and asked if there was a possibility he could play a different/reflavoured character because i find it incredibly difficult to focus for the reasons i've already posted here

it's his choice though, i'm resigned to finding a new campaign if he doesn't change

[naive cedar]

or the person who thinks “chaotic neutral” means “murderhobo”

[limber trail]

Is this a game you’re a player in or DMing?

I presume player?

[stiff rock]

playing, but the DM told me to settle it privately as i'm the only person who seems to have a large issue with the player

[loud tendon]

Would changing his name to Petros help with your immersion? Its Greek, but still means Peter for him.

You could pitch it like a multiverse thing. Its a version of Peter, back in time in this new universe with Greek elements. While his power vibe might be the same his origins would be different.

[limber trail]

This to me I don’t think is a red flag or anything but does strike me as a sign that you and the group have different expectations

[loud tendon]

Might be easier to offer an olive branch of compromise than just say "I dont like the modern character you picked and you need to change it"

[worn lagoon]

Petrou is more of a surname isn't it

[stiff rock]

i still think i'd have trouble seeing it as anything but spiderman. If he was Petros, and the only thing that made him similar to spiderman WAS the flavouring of the grapple hook, i wouldn't care. even his actions in-character are just what marvel's spiderman would do

if there was an attempt made to be anything but marvel's spiderman i would probably be fine with it

[loud tendon]

It can be either..it is the Greek origin of Peter so you can easily use it

[hot marlin]

Fun fact: It means stone.

[loud tendon]

That is why I suggested pitching it like a multiverse.
If they are new to dnd and hesitant, it might be daunting to try something completely unfamiliar.

But letting them retain elements of it, changing the supporting details to fit into ancient Greece could work.

As a compromise, you would have to make effort too, you know.
You have it hellbent in your head but if they are willing to compromise with some changes, you should try and be more flexible/forgiving.

[stiff rock]

yeah that's fair enough, i just struggle with the idea that he'd still be of the mind that he is playing spiderman, and he'd treat his character that way

i'm willing to put the effort in if he does, so if a compromise does arise i'm willing to take it

but as is it just feels like it's me or him as i'm not comfortable with someone disrupting the setting of the game as such

which is fine, like, i'm willing to leave if it means he gets to keep enjoying the game

[humble cairn]

Is he playing it like he's modern day Peter Parker who has been mysteriously transported to Theros?

[stiff rock]

he has no backstory or reason as to why he's there. he's just marvel's peter parker in ancient greece

[humble cairn]

Like Peter Parker who knows what a camera and a phone is, but doesn't know the Theros gods?

[stiff rock]

yeah pretty much

[limber trail]

I think isle, if it’s a thing where it’s disrupting your fun, and the group has enjoyed the game and doesn’t mind their character, then it might just be a sign more than anything that yall have different things yall want out of your campaigns, which is fine

[humble cairn]

No, but I mean, exactly. Like did he come straight out of the Marvel universe with modern 21st century knowledge?

[stiff rock]

yes and no? yes in the sense that that's how the player is playing the character, but no in the sense that there's no actual reason for the character to know that. there's no backstory detailing that he was transported across the multiverse et cetera, the player is just playing as 20th century peter parker

[eternal ridge]

Heyy wassup

[humble cairn]

If it's just in personality, but he doesn't explicitly mention phones and the internet, I think there's a shade of possibility to save it.

[stiff rock]

yeah i do agree, i think the best course of action honestly is either to just find a new game for me. it's just disappointing as the theme of the campaign was set, and it's the spiderman player who is going against it

[eternal ridge]

Can I join any of your dungeons and dragons club, I'm New in ts

[stiff rock]

#find-a-game is pretty good for online games here

[eternal ridge]

Alr

[royal pasture]

Inspiration from well known characters seems fair, I read an article about a guy trying to kick-start a kpop demon hunters inspired dnd game for kids to get started. But I dont think it would be the actual characters, but very drawn from that idea which is cool

[main maple]

Hello 👋

[stiff rock]

the player's knowledge of 20th century stuff is kind of accidentally bleeding into the campaign. he does things for comedy that a character BCE wouldn't even really consider like inventing french fries and whatnot

but it's not like he does it on purpose or anything, he just doesn't take the game seriously enough to consider that his comedy stuff wouldn't fit

my general takeaway from this is to have a talk with the player/dm, and find a new game if no compromise can be reached

i don't wanna ruin someone's first experience when i could easily find or start a new game

[umbral girder]

Did you know at level 4 a Human Warlock can have proficiency in every skills?

In 2024

[stiff rock]

you would HAVE to name him Jack

[umbral girder]

Wait I’m wrong. Not level 4. I forgot Lessons of the First Ones don’t let you spam the Skilled feat.

You’d only get 16 skills then

Wait no 17 because Human starts with one

[stiff rock]

still impressively high lol

[umbral girder]

Basically by level 4 you can get 17 out of 18 skills in the game

[stiff rock]

only question is what skill are you not picking?

[umbral girder]

Persuasion

Because i would be amused if it ended not being a charisma skill somehow for a warlock.

Could even make it a bit that it’s a warlock who makes bad deals but their patron pities them

[halcyon forum]

human rogue 1/warlock 2 gets 16 skills too

[stiff rock]

what would be the best setup to get as many languages possible?

[rough basalt]

Bards getting skill prof in all so they can obsolete their jack of all trades and become king of all trades

[umbral girder]

Linguist feat from the 2014 PHB.
Ranger and Rogue…. And a lot of Downtime and some gold

[humble cairn]

Use the Downtime rules from Xanathar's Guide to Everything to learn every language prof with money.

[wide island]

Ranger if you use the optional features gets like 2 or 3 extra languages, pick up firbolg for three languages, pick up linguist to top it off

[umbral girder]

In 2024 Ranger gets 2 languages and rogue gets 1 I think

[wide island]

Thats like 6 with no investment plus one from a background for pretty much any language you could want

[stiff rock]

my horizon walker knows 5 including common which i assume is pretty high unless you're specifically going for every language

[umbral girder]

Yep! Ranger (in terms of class) gets the most languages

Of course there are spells to translate them too

Part of how Ranger is the “Adventurer” class I’m guessing

[empty thicket]

yeah, but having someone that already talk the things help a lot
Dont waste a spell, dont make problems if they dont like magic or think you are doing some not good magic.
Interaction with them would be easier

[umbral girder]

Also writing it too

[empty thicket]

yep, and understand them inside of some infiltration

[stiff rock]

i've never really encountered a DM who uses any language but common anywhere but some ancient tome lol

[empty thicket]

that go from DM to DM

[stiff rock]

the kingdoms in my campaign all speak separate languages as well as common (like how wales has signs for cymraeg and english) but i've hardly met another DM who cares for language

[umbral girder]

I actively uses it as often as I can

[stiff rock]

not that it's a complaint lol, just a part of the character sheet that rarely is used

[umbral girder]

Like a goblin will know Common but would rather use their native tongue in their camp for example.

[empty thicket]

some can make a race//kind//group use X languages either forcing the party to translate, get spell that translate or somethign else

[halcyon forum]

yeah overhearing others talk can often be in other languages than common

[main maple]

What if I fall in love with my buddy who’s playing the love interest of my character

[hollow vault]

Then put a ring on his finger? Bro love 😄

[royal pasture]

Its the meet cute we all wanna see 😅

[empty thicket]

offer food and say you want to offer it food for the rest of your life

[royal pasture]

Coming next year for valentines day

[stiff rock]

try to keep those feelings off-table, and talk to them about it in private if you're actually serious (and you think they would reciprocate)?

i've heard a lot of horror stories about games becoming weird because players or DMs can't handle their romantic feelings for each other and it spills into the game

[royal pasture]

Also work out if youre actually in love with them above table and not just the character 😅

[stiff rock]

lol yeah

[empty thicket]

yeah, there is a reason why rarely there is "romance" in the table
Either that or either because 2 to 4 persons having to heard how 2 are roleplaying a whole romance.... feel uncomfortable.
Unless is made correctly and is those kinda comedic//romantic ones

[royal pasture]

Tbf and again I havent avrually played a game yet but I dont think id want s romance for my character

Her whole shtick if someone hit on her would be "eww go away" 🤣

[wraith kelp]

hey hows everyone

[umbral girder]

Eepy

Besides that fine. Looking into a Barovia Oneshot.

Naturally I'm thinking about how to include Strahd. If at all.

[hot marlin]

You know, I've wondered why the fact that some people call Strahd an incel bothers me.

Like, it's not untrue. He is defined by violence perpetrated against women, by desire to control them.

He is absolutely a misogynist.

So I thought about it and realized: It's because incels are usually represented as powerless. They're middle class, they're not successful career-wise... At least stereotypically. They're a "safe" form of misogyny, you know?

Strahd is something else, more common. He is in power, successful, handsome, polite, with etiquette, and well-groomed. And that changes nothing, he still thinks he is entitled to women's affections, and he is still willing to brutalize them if they refuse him. Incels are not portrayed as powerful, polite, successful and handsome. Strahd feels much worse because of that. And also much more common

[umbral girder]

Like some kind of Vampire of some kind.

Not a recruitment chat

[shadow nacelle]

sad

[naive cedar]

I like calling strahd an incel because it’s funny for the same reason calling him a bloodsucking nerd is funny. I like your analysis a lot though.

The fact that he is handsome and powerful but is still such a misogynist makes him scary in a very human way

[loud tendon]

Lots of players looking for games in #looking-for-dm

Though it should be for a d&d game

[crimson gulch]

Strahd is more like a serial killer than an incel, hes got bodies stacked

[worn lagoon]

He has a high body count

[halcyon forum]

that implies that being handsome or powerful makes you less likely to be a misogynist ?

probably not what you meant

but still, we should be careful to not assign goodness to good looks

[naive cedar]

I mean that the stereotypical misogynist is not handsome or powerful, because people have a tendency to assume that bad person = ugly

But yeah, I should’ve clarified that

[halcyon forum]

Idk, If I think of misogynists, powerful men are really high on list

[naive cedar]

I agree, but like, the stereotypical “bigot” is someone who is easy to make fun of generally

[halcyon forum]

kinda same for handsome to some extend, at least stereotypes regarding "jocks"

[naive cedar]

Yeah it is complicated: this is kind of getting into non-dnd territory though

[halcyon forum]

fair