dnd-discussion

[severe rampart]

Conjure Animals is a thing

[severe rampart]

thanks Echo, that's really useful!

[keen kestrel]

lmao, living up to the name

[severe rampart]

y'know what, it actually was perfect and it was what I was looking for

[worn lagoon]

What about the dryad thing

[severe rampart]

Evren, go study

[worn lagoon]

Nvm

I submitted my presentation 1 minute before the deadline, I'll go last, I'm fiiiine

[empty thicket]

yep and burn a lvl 1 spell slot

and i think some classes get some sort of "shield"
Ranger, hunter can choose to get something like shield for free at lvl 7

[humble cairn]

Not to mention also being able to equip shields from level 1.

[small heath]

Ima sleep gn yall

[severe rampart]

you can get 20 AC as level 1

[empty thicket]

yes, you can. But that is literally doing a whole thing just to make your DM make a whole faction of bandits that know cantrips and will use them against you.

[glass granite]

Easiest to do with either a tortle or a warforged

[severe rampart]

Cough cough, absorb elements, be a paladin and then stack smite on your attack against them

[empty thicket]

Radiant.
Eldritch blast.

[severe rampart]

Warforged Paladin with armor + shield and defense fighting style

[severe rampart]

ah crap... UHH... COUNTERSPELL!

[empty thicket]

counterspell a cantrip 🥀

[severe rampart]

it's funny, also you can just use shield right?

[empty thicket]

idk, some cantrips need you to land it, others no.
Sooo... im not sure

[severe rampart]

for Eldritch Blast you do, I'm sure

[empty thicket]

and some spells too because if you get a "critic" on them you get extra effects.
Bro im still wanting to play that Warforged living armor and a Warlock that use a revolver for throwing eldritch blasts

[tawdry socket]

Hello, I would like to join a DND campaign. I’m new to the server and I’d love to learn kind of confused and struggling with how to find a campaign to join within the server. I heard you could do that.

[glass granite]

Check out #find-a-game , should have the info you need

[empty thicket]

dont know if i can mix both of them now, but would be funny doing a living armor (Warforged) that is a warlock and it justify why it can move and all that

with the patron just using for fun some armor with an skeleton inside or smt like that

to go in adventures

[main maple]

Are we talking about the show or the campaign itself on YouTube

[marble lion]

Youtube

Did you mean the show?
Havent seen it yet

I really want to though

[fossil hollow]

Got a kill on a PC with an assassin

[main maple]

Yeah the show is really good

I’ve been binging it since I found out about it

[marble lion]

In combat or narrative

[fossil hollow]

combat

[marble lion]

Still cool

[fossil hollow]

multiattack with advantage and a crit at the last hit (downed) is scary

[woven flint]

My Cleric has a bag with some type of fiend living inside
He knows it's not a Devil or Demon so he's ASSUMING it's a Yugoloth

[ivory ivy]

question can a bard learn the finger gun cantrip from the mage hand press gunslinger class valda's spire of secret guide?

[woven flint]

He's not the Fiend slaying type, of Cleric but he's definitely not evil either, everytime they've been at the Bar the group owns, he's given it scraps of food to hopefully quell any possible Malice

[humble cairn]

That's not going to come back and bite you ...

[woven flint]

I tried a religion check to identify it

The DC is 10 + The creatures CR
A 24 wasn't able to identify it.

We're level 4

He's been nothing but good to the creature though.. so..
Let's have hopes!

[glass granite]

Not concerning in the slightest

[severe rampart]

... so you've got Baphomet inside of the bag

[fossil hollow]

its not a demon :3

[woven flint]

It's PROBABLY a Yugoloth because it's not a Devil or Demon

So, the Neutral Evil fiends

[remote wadi]

Quick question

Does Longbow only use Dexterity?

[timid current]

yep

[hushed mason]

I imagine that if you use it as an improvised melee weapon, you'd use Strength.

[remote wadi]

Yeah, I got that answered

Quick context, homebrew rule was confusingly worded
2 handed weapons get an additional damage bonus to half Str modifer rounded down

But the rule says nothing about it needing to be a weapon that is melee or uses Str

So perhaps martial ranged weapons that use 2 hands would get the bonus too?

[hushed mason]

I'm sure they're just missing the word "melee" in there.

That would be in line with 3.5

Are there any two-handed thrown weapons?

Best to ask the person that made the homebrew rule to ensure you understand their intention. All anyone else can do is guess.

[remote wadi]

That is the current plan

[gray garden]

Thinking about giving this to my barbarian

oversized longbow. This unique weapon can be used only by a Medium or larger creature that has a Strength of 18 or higher. The bow shoots oversized arrows that deal piercing damage equal to 2d6 + the wielder’s Strength modifier. Its range is the same as an ordinary longbow.

[hushed mason]

Do y'all not have composite longbows in 5e?

[gray garden]

No

[remote wadi]

Surprisingly not

[timid current]

it's not that granular

[hushed mason]

In 3.5, composite longbows can add the strength modifier to the damage roll, but within limits depending on the specific bow. So, you could have a Composite longbow +2 that allows you to add up to 2 Str to the damage.

[humble cairn]

Based on this, yes longbow would also get it because it's 2 handed, but to better analyze it, I would have to look at the exact wording, which you haven't provided, also this is better in #homebrew, is this about your Gloomstalker again? GAH, I said I wouldn't comment about this topic because it's frustrating and you should just leave the group, making their homebrew irrelevant. dangit, I got sucked in again, annoying

[timid current]

longbows and composite longbows are both long bows.

great weapon master works with long bows though. the damage bit I mean

[humble cairn]

2024 GWM to be specific

[timid current]

oh, yeah.

[remote wadi]

Was going to ask the DM about that

And hey, that's your call, not mine. Hands are clean

[hushed mason]

Bloodline - are you free on Sunday afternoons? You should join my 3.5e game. 🙂

Drop the other one. 😄

[remote wadi]

Worst case scenario, wording gets more specific (i mean, that is what some vampires do)

Best case scenario, free +1 to damage rolls

[humble cairn]

I second this

[remote wadi]

I play on Saturdays. Sunday afternoons are occupied because I play tournaments in another game that day

[fossil hollow]

watching my party squirm

[remote wadi]

@hushed mason So unfortunately, i wouldn't be able to make it
Still, thanks for the offer. It's the thought that counts

[hushed mason]

I tried. 🤷‍♀️

[humble cairn]

You do play other games! So your false dichotomy of "my only choice is bad D&D or nothing" was definitely false.

[remote wadi]

I mean, even if i dropped this one, I wouldn't be able to play yours. I have a tournament to play on Sunday afternoons

[hushed mason]

I understand!

[remote wadi]

Which was only possible both from income being possible and my schedule freeing up

Which i haven't even been able to do that lately because I almost forgot this would be during my sleepy time hours

So both tournament and session might not even be possible

[remote wadi]

Although... If you want to dm me details about the sessions, I would be glad to consider still making time for it

[hushed mason]

I'll send you a pm.

[feral fulcrum]

5E simplified and streamlined everything across the board. And basically made sizes kind of meaningless for the most part. While also being terrified of Large, and randomly hating on Small. It's weird and silly.

[woven flint]

We've interacted with the creature
I'm scared, but it wasn't hostile

[fossil hollow]

:3

[crimson gulch]

woot, scored a 2e adnd DMG from ebay for 17 bucks

[undone rain]

Hmmm to keep my shield and flail for that sweet +2 ac ooooor greatsword with better damage but no ac bonus

[fossil hollow]

I gave my players a nuke. I am loving it

[hidden spindle]

That, is inspirational. I'mma take a look too

[woven flint]

Pretty much
And you gave me an obligation to take care of said nuke smhhh

[sharp heron]

dungeon dragon

[marble lion]

the thing with homebrew rules is theyre made by the DM who knows what he intended when writing them

so finding a loophole means nothing at all

since the DM obviously doesnt go by RAW or they wouldnt homebrew
so your loophole will just get axed if the DM doesnt want it

[hidden spindle]

A technicality that could be worth

[marble lion]

worth what

[hidden spindle]

Worth it

[marble lion]

considering the DM homebrewed a rule that gives str bonus to damage with twohanded weapons, no doubt meaning melee big weapons like mauls

i doubt crossbows were intended

[balmy arrow]

Hi everyone!

[marble lion]

though bows would make sense. after all, the stronger you are the further you can draw it

but yeah if you mean bows, worth bringing up

[hidden spindle]

Hohoho, give'm the Oversized Bow

[marble lion]

my ranger player will get a massive warbow

[hushed mason]

I don't think the character in question has 18 str.

[marble lion]

with strength requirement to use
he wanted to be an archer but also strong so i thought why not

damn 18? is this an official 5e item?

[hidden spindle]

Oh duh. Yeah. STRangers got this

[hushed mason]

IDK. Someone posted one earlier in the conversation and said it had an 18 str minimum.

[marble lion]

i see

[timid current]

It's a one-off item from a specific module

[marble lion]

yeah im still thinking about a cool thing the bow im making can do

besides d12 damage

[hushed mason]

Here's the original comment.

[timid current]

They just need to make bows finesse weapons

[marble lion]

i see the vision with bows being dex

[hushed mason]

What does that mean in 5e, Dave?

[marble lion]

it means that str is optional

[hidden spindle]

It means it can be either STR or DEX

[marble lion]

it would allow str users to use bows instead of the current dex only arrangement

i mean anyone can but you know what i mean

[woven flint]

Friends, I got a robe of eyes...
Which gives you true sight...
I can see the Poltergiest that lives in Our Bar/Manor now!!
It used to be his, but he's been out friend for some time and now he can be seen again!

Celebration for our ghostly friend

[marble lion]

thats pretty cool

[hidden spindle]

Now only you can cast Light on it

[marble lion]

does he talk like nicholas from hogwarts

[woven flint]

We're also in waterdeep...
So there might be individuals who might not be as they seem..

[marble lion]

i hope none of the lords have easily dispelled masks

or if one does, its a pretender who doesnt have the proper countermeasures mask

so if one mask doesnt work, you know theyre a fake!

is this the heist game youre in?

[woven flint]

Yup.
Got lucky and rolled a Robe of Eyes for my Tortle Knowledge Cleric

[marble lion]

thats a pretty cool item for that guy

how does it look?

[woven flint]

We're going from Waterdeep into Dungeon of the Mad Mage after this

[woven flint]

It's stylized to have a bunch of Beholder eyes as stated by the dm

[marble lion]

like realistic or stylised drawn on

[woven flint]

I.. dunno 🤔

[marble lion]

hmmm

[fossil hollow]

Purple beholder, stylized

[woven flint]

On the image of the item the eyes look real

[woven flint]

The dm in question ^^^

[balmy arrow]

I hope this is okay to post here I’m new to the server, I’ve posted twice in looking for dm with no responses, and am looking to play, it’s been a long time and I look forward to playing again! I’ve got a character I’m super excited to play ! ☺️

[humble cairn]

I'm very jealous and want to play in a Dragon Heist game.

[woven flint]

Dragon Heist going straight into Mad Mage soon

Our Sorcerer died this session, but we luckily had a scroll of Revivify I could use

[fossil hollow]

interested in a one time appearance?

[woven flint]

Had to roll the Dc, but I've got expertise in Arcana so I wasn't TOO worried

[humble cairn]

Yes!

[fossil hollow]

:3

[jovial shadow]

They kind of want you to only post for games in those selected servers.

[fair summit]

You're likely gonna have better luck responding in threads made by DMs in #looking-for-players

It's a lot easier for DMs to have the players come to them, than browse through bunch of players in looking-for-DMs

[balmy arrow]

Okay good to know ☺️

[balmy arrow]

Okay thanks I’ll try that!

[granite swan]

can anyone send me the lizard folk stats?

[humble cairn]

Against the rules to ask for material for free.

[granite swan]

what

welp guess I'm out of luck il go buy the book eventually

[humble cairn]

You can try your local library.

[granite swan]

ok

will do

[jovial shadow]

I haven't been to a libray in years. I didn't know that they were still around

[humble cairn]

They definitely are. Support your local library and policies that will fund them.

[undone rain]

What do you think i am? A wizard? (Hides 15 books i have in my shelf)

[hushed mason]

Are lizardfolk not in the 5th edition version of the SRD?

[naive cedar]

Btw you can use the computers at libraries to play video games. Just letting people know

[granite swan]

is there a 5th edition and legacy version?

[undone rain]

They dont use em for that at my library

[hushed mason]

There are multiple legacy versions.

[naive cedar]

Huh really? At my library you can

[undone rain]

Yeah, they have computers but their for leaving in books

[granite swan]

its the same book though

[undone rain]

But i do have a book series to continue on. Hm maybe i should get a library card

[hushed mason]

I think we may be confused and not talking about the same thing. The current edition of D&D is 5th edition (2024). There's a 5th edition (2014), 4e, 3.5e, 3e, and so on...

[granite swan]

ah so about 5th edition 2024 is there a different thing?

[humble cairn]

No, they are not. The current book that has them is ...

[undone rain]

I wonder if my library has dnd books

[humble cairn]

Mordenkainen Presents: Monsters of the Multiverse

[humble cairn]

Many do! It's worth checking!

[wispy cargo]

https://youtu.be/4JtUPBkYQOY?si=DiPltNgeJxDHp04_

[hushed mason]

Yes, there are older versions of Dungeons and Dragons. I play version 3.5e, and if you asked for lizardfolk stats for 3.5, we'd be able to share them here (in #dnd-elder-editions) because it was publicly released.

[undone rain]

Hmm ill take a look. I havent seen any but again that could be because i havent checked. Worth a check

I dont dm and stuff but i like to learn of the rules and monsters and races etc etc

[woven flint]

Dungeons and Uh.... something

[severe rampart]

Tarrasques and Taverns

[granite swan]

no, I'm looking for the newest version, 5e (2024), can you recommend what book that would be in?

[woven flint]

Something malicious is brewing.

[hushed mason]

Mordenkainen Presents: Monsters of the Multiverse

[jovial shadow]

I just searched online for all of our libraries, and they only have 5e's MM an DMG, but no others

So don't get excited

[hushed mason]

You can put in requests.

[severe rampart]

You guys have libraries? lucky (3rd world country)

[cinder timber]

Hello everyone

[jovial shadow]

3rd world countries have colleges and colleges have libraries

[hushed mason]

My library has all kinds of 5th edition resources available. Pity I don't use the public library ever since they suggested that the work I was doing wasn't "public" and that I should go to a "research" library. I just wanted classical music. shrugs

[knotty pasture]

Universities most likely don't have dnd books

[severe rampart]

I doubt they'd spend thousands of pesos for DnD books, since nearly 0.0001% of the population knows about it(not hyperbole.)

[hushed mason]

They even have D&D video games on the shelf in my public library system... huh.

[jovial shadow]

I did a refined search on our libraries and just showed some other D&D material I am not familiar with. Probably from 3 or 4 editions, and others showed headphones so I guess it was some D&D background music?

[hushed mason]

My library has the D&D cookbook...

[past finch]

yall whats the best tanking character possible

[jovial shadow]

Best? Barbarian maybe?

[severe rampart]

Warforged Paladin Defensive Fighting Style

[broken imp]

pure tanking?

[past finch]

how do you make that

[severe rampart]

Use the warforged race, get a paladin, choose the defensive fighting style, get a shield, get some heavy/medium armor

Boom, you have an AC 20(or more) character at level 1

More if you choose the shield spell but that's very situational

[broken imp]

because making a evasion character is easier, and a treatmonk's god wiz build will help with the entire party's survival better

[past finch]

what is the second best tanking race

[hushed mason]

Goliath?

[past finch]

why

[hidden spindle]

Fighter. Paladin's get Fighting Style at 2nd level

[hushed mason]

I'm just guessing. I have no clue, really.

[severe rampart]

Oh, my bad

[knotty pasture]

Tanks don't exist in dnd but if you must, Totem Warrior Barb, go Bear

As for races uhh, Dwarf?

[broken imp]

does it work to do a high ac, or treatmonk wiz for entire party?

[hidden spindle]

Artificer: Y'all don't have tanks?

[severe rampart]

If you want to be a tank, be a warforged artificer 😉

[potent vector]

Publix Libraries do. (My friend loves abusing his Librarian status lmao)

[severe rampart]

Great minds think alike, and guess I just Echo'd your words

[knotty pasture]

If your character is "tanking", chances are that your DM is playing to that fantasy and there's nothing stopping the DM from just focus firing on your backline while getting away with it

[stuck shuttle]

What do you want out of being a “tank”? Sublime is right in that classical tanking doesn’t exist in D&D due to the absence of a true taunt mechanic

[jovial shadow]

Yeah D&D isn't a video game they don't have true "tanks" or "healers"

[knotty pasture]

Healers exist but they suck in combat healing

[broken imp]

does anyone know a way for artificer to have the spell-storing object to store 3rd lv?

[past finch]

I thought cleric was a more healer class

[knotty pasture]

Out of combat healing is funny though you can get insane numbers

[broken imp]

healer isn't needed in dnd

[severe rampart]

If you want someone to take the brunt of the damage, that's a very risky move

[knotty pasture]

Oh nah you don't run healers in dnd yea

[keen kestrel]

nah, they're damage dealers ez

[severe rampart]

Famous last words

[potent vector]

There's technically Compelled Duel and Reckless Attack, also that one barb subclass feature that gives disadvantage on attacks against anyone but you

[knotty pasture]

Clerics are more buff based

Reckless Attack does not help you tank it just makes the Barb a more enticing target

[hidden spindle]

Use the 2024 Artificer

[stuck shuttle]

All of those are “soft” taunts. They don’t actually force a monster to attack you

[knotty pasture]

But you may as well not use defensive spells as a Wizard to get the same effect

[broken imp]

i mean... mostly, in a properly set up party party

[broken imp]

any 2014?

[severe rampart]

You mean a party that doesn't need to be babysat by a healer

[potent vector]

Hm. The last resort is that Mount feat if you ride a Druid, which lets you force attacks to hit you instead of your mount, which technically counts.

Definitely niche tho

[knotty pasture]

That's just stepping into gimmick territory lol

Just go Crown Paladin and use Spirit Guardians and ram people with it

There's your "tank" that people really don't want to ignore

[severe rampart]

YOU, you were the one to suggest me to do that weren't you?!

[hidden spindle]

'14 only does 1st or 2nd level Spells

[knotty pasture]

I probably did yes

[broken imp]

yes

[naive cedar]

sigh /j

[knotty pasture]

At more grueling campaigns a "healer" would be nice though, even if that healer's main job isn't to heal, especially in combat

Spam goodberries to keep the party going

[broken imp]

yes, but in terms of damage reduction i think a support/cc/debuff wizard would be better

[naive cedar]

Cleric is less healer and more support although it depends on the domain

[knotty pasture]

Oh nah you basically just get one level in Life Cleric + Mark of Hospitality Halfling for Lifeberry

You still do Wizard stuff otherwise, just that you now have armor proficiency and output tons of healing outside of combat

[broken imp]

guys what's the thought on the 2024 artificer, it's kinda op, like on (almost) equal "op-ness" as a wizard, if both is higher level

[storm wraith]

Is it Worth to do an intimidation build?

[knotty pasture]

I think that's just Paladin

[tranquil temple]

Does anyone have any opinion on ending a campaign on a whole-party sacrifice to end a campaign?

[hidden spindle]

Worth

[hidden spindle]

We rode together, we died together

[marble lion]

I want to fight goblins with a longsword and no extra attack in a cave, with captive villagers bound around a campfire.

[tranquil temple]

But do you think it’s a good idea? I don’t want to “limit” how they view their character but I think it would fit

[marble lion]

I want there to be an acid damage dagger as loot in the shaman tent, shaman being absent during this fight.

[broken imp]

do like the party kills the villian and realese a great deamon, to they kill themself to seal it away

[hidden spindle]

Hmm... you make a good point. Don't take away the players agencies

[limber trail]

I think a choice like that needs to be up to the players and it can suck if you force it

[remote wadi]

That's what I said. Either I get something fixed in the long run or a +1 to damage. Win win

But Fighter just assumes I'm on a other optimization spree that will hinder others
Big talk for a guy who wanted us to buy him plate armor, a magical maul, and a belt of giant strength at level 4

[woven flint]

YOU... My nemesis

[glass granite]

I greet the Lord of Goofy!

[severe rampart]

Is this the same campaign

[marble lion]

Yes

[woven flint]

Hello

[remote wadi]

Not exactly keen on answering that because I don't want to start another pandemonium

[fossil hollow]

less pandemonium, more repeating convo

[woven flint]

^^^

[remote wadi]

Point taken

[fossil hollow]

what if i gave you a new nemesis

[severe rampart]

If it's different, give it a chance, if it's the same...

[woven flint]

Stares at you with my cold dead eyes.

[fossil hollow]

FrIeNd?

[remote wadi]

Probably going to roll off my back eventually. It is also on me because I'm not keeping this to myself

[woven flint]

You gonna kill Ahan again, btw?
It'd be so funny if I had to revivify him again

[limber trail]

Fiend….

[burnt valley]

Nah no, Wizard is still top tier

[fossil hollow]

nah, gotta spread the love

[limber trail]

I didn’t pay 300gp for him to come back

[fossil hollow]

i need more sinners

[severe rampart]

I mean, better than to have it bubble up inside of you and destroy you from the inside

[limber trail]

I’ve made no deals with eldritch entities

[woven flint]

Who's to say that I, the Cleric won't die?
Or am I the least sinner of the sinners

[limber trail]

You’ve made a deal with a fiend to feed it souls

[fossil hollow]

friend cant die :3

[remote wadi]

Can't deny that. But you're seeing what me talking about them is doing, right? Short answer: nothing that great

[woven flint]

Watch Artanza die and the Fiend forcefully brings him back 😱

[woven flint]

To be fair
I didn't shake on it

[limber trail]

Someone did

[fossil hollow]

t-toooby

[woven flint]

Toby doesn't count, he was just touching things he shouldn't have

[remote wadi]

So just for context, my outlook on this is more or less "loosely confront, point out hypocrisy, and move on"

[limber trail]

He literally shook its hand

[woven flint]

Also, I think the handshake was before our agreement

Toby can't agree on behalf of all of us, afterall

[dark basin]

Which happened to be totally unrelated!

[limber trail]

I’m not a part of this deal

[woven flint]

But then again..
It's not a Devil or a Demon..

[limber trail]

Ti I want it to be clear I’m not a part of this deal

[fossil hollow]

noted. only artanza and toby have interacted so far

[remote wadi]

If it was really upsetting me, I would go on a bit of a longer rant about how the people who love to criticize me trying to make the best for my character almost never help out themselves

Like yelling at you for not having a huge hole dug out yet, but refuse to grab a shovel

[limber trail]

I just want my gun and that’s all

[woven flint]

Artanza is doing it out of pity because he knows it's legitimately trapped

[fossil hollow]

oh and ahan. anyway, want a new gun?

[limber trail]

Maybe to learn to read

[limber trail]

….what for……

[dark basin]

It's rather bold of the fiend to sell its soul to me. We even shook on it

[fossil hollow]

... a price

[limber trail]

What is the price…..

[woven flint]

To be completely honest, if there was a fiendish entity trapped in a bag and it ONLY consumes the souls of BAD people... I think I'd feed it until I can find a way to get it back to its homeplane. (As an adventurer, I mean)

[scenic zinc]

-# y'all, there's a whole server dedicated to ti's games and it ain't this one

[fossil hollow]

soon azzy, soon

[remote wadi]

Agreed. Problem is who gets to decide who is bad

[woven flint]

I know, lol, just silly discussion

[fossil hollow]

soon ill rule this place /j

[woven flint]

Ti, Ruler of D&D

[glass granite]

I’ll sooner stop doing dad jokes

[fossil hollow]

changing the moth server nickname now

[remote wadi]

So, Nugget

[glass granite]

Hi

[remote wadi]

You ever see the irony in a situation and really struggle to not tell others about it?

[glass granite]

Not here. It’s not their responsibility to fix your problems, they’re just telling you what you’re doing wrong.

[scenic zinc]

Nope. I've never seen that or struggled with it.

Does that happen?

[remote wadi]

So what happens when they treat the most mundane things as dping wrong things?

I.e. asking for clarity on a vague rule?

[glass granite]

I would say they don’t consider those things mundane, or don’t bother putting in the commitment to a total stranger

[glass granite]

What did they say to that?

[olive flume]

Being druid, using roll20 with only free rules and having to add spells one by one by hand… yesterday was a long night

[glass granite]

Oof

[limber trail]

Yeesh

[remote wadi]

DM was telling me simply that it wouldn't work that way, which was understandable
Fighter and probably soon to be druid giving me crap for asking the question like someone would easily say no to either clarity or free damage

[glass granite]

I feel as if I am missing a piece of the picture

[olive flume]

And I am joining the game as lv5 that means I had to add every non free rules lv1-2-3 spells 😭😭

[scenic zinc]

Such as the amount of time spent on the situation.

[knotty pasture]

True

[glass granite]

Or the attitude in which you asked dthe question

[remote wadi]

The big context was that a rule was added to give half str mod rounded down on 2 handed weapons

But was vaguely worded that it could possibly apply to ranged martial weapons that are 2 handed as well

[knotty pasture]

Fighter going Druid is unexpected though, you'd think the Fighter is the type of guy to go with the flow whereas Druid does need you to think a bit

[woven flint]

There are so many parties I can't wait to level up
2 of the ones I'm in are about to reach level 5
The rest are generally pretty high level lol

[olive flume]

Realized that firbolgs are basically insanely OP and not having darkvision is the only thing that balances them

[glass granite]

Ah, I saw that.
Yeah considering the amount you’re grumbling here, and from what I’ve heard, my guess is that they’re saying you’re trying to optimise again?

[scenic zinc]

Except ranged weapons use dex though

[olive flume]

Free detect magic / disguise self per short rest is insanity

[remote wadi]

It was just me asking "Hey DM, I looked over this rule about 2 handed weapons. Does this also apply to 2 handed ranged weapons as well?"
Not verbatim, but close enough

[fossil hollow]

...

[glass granite]

And what did the players say?

[remote wadi]

Yeah. When all i wanted to do is ask for clarity on a rule

[fossil hollow]

i will say this again, you need to find other tables

[woven flint]

I wouldn't say that...
Though, if you ask me, you totally shouldn't play a Firbolg Bard to potentially influence animals and plants a bit more with actual Charisma skills winkwink

[remote wadi]

No, I mean fighter is giving me crap for it. And knowing Druid, she will soon as well most likely

[olive flume]

This question would drive our table to 2 hour catfight

[glass granite]

Considering we’ve been saying that for months, i don’t think saying things anymore will help.

[scenic zinc]

Simply put: ew. Toxic table.

[olive flume]

I am playing a support caster Firbolg Land Druid!!!

[fossil hollow]

ew, has it been months??

[remote wadi]

Fighter telling me to just stop because I'd only be gaining +1 damage to rolls (same place that treated my suggestion of a +2 as too overpowered)

[limber trail]

Detect magic can be cast decently easy as a ritual and changelings have better disguise self. Neither of those are that OP

Definitely good to have! Not huge OP insanity.

[woven flint]

You mean long rest?

[knotty pasture]

2-3 months I think

[olive flume]

Yeah it was me overreacting

[fossil hollow]

shapeshifting is also not a "they can never figure it out" thing either

[scenic zinc]

What exactly do you mean by "giving you crap"?

[olive flume]

Both. It says “short or a long rest”

[knotty pasture]

Anyways note to self, avoid tables with too much brew

[glass granite]

They likely think you’re just desperately looking to gain some strength, which doesn’t seem to fit how your table plays

[woven flint]

The Firbolg Invisibility thing is good for repositioning though also good for advantage on an attack roll!

[proven nova]

I keep trying to use pure Hexblade warlock in melee but it feels really bad.

[remote wadi]

Same here. I thought this would be relatively little, given no classes, species, or weapons. I was wrong.

[woven flint]

Firbolg Rogue would be a particularly nasty combo

[knotty pasture]

You aren't backing out of it though I think that's the other issue

[olive flume]

We are actually really chill but vaguely worded rules sometimes drive us to looong discussions lmao

[knotty pasture]

Eldritch Blasting people probably outputs more damage overall, Hexblade does feel like Warlock w/self defense up close rather than Warlock but ooga booga

[remote wadi]

Which is funny when yoy think about it for a sec. No one seemed to have any problems with a Paladin doing 12 damage minimum at level 2 with no spell slots or feats affecting it

[proven nova]

What exactly would make it the ooga booga?

[glass granite]

Their tolerance probably has lowered for you

[knotty pasture]

An ooga booga gish class would probably be Eldritch Knight

[glass granite]

Because they don’t care about who’s strong, they care about how the players are acting

[proven nova]

Because I want the flavor of it being a cursed blade and Hexblade offers that fantasy.

[fickle heart]

Ye speak the truth.

[knotty pasture]

Whatever spells you use are just to stay alive while you continue hitting like a truck as Fighter baseline

[remote wadi]

When all i did was ask a question. Not in pursuit of power, but for clarity

[woven flint]

Ooga Booga is always the best combat method 🧐

[remote wadi]

But yeah. I'll cool down after work, maybe play a game or 2

[burnt valley]

You could reflavour Eldritch Blast to you swinging your sword and a sword shaped projectile fires off it

[glass granite]

Maybe, but that’s likely not how they saw it

[fossil hollow]

-# and were back at it again.
so, favorite monster?

[woven flint]

Boneclaw

[glass granite]

You

[scenic zinc]

Sounds like you're not a fit for this table, and/or you need to be talking to them and not this channel about this issue.

[proven nova]

EK sucks (2014.)

[fossil hollow]

awww, thanks

[woven flint]

That's a ... take?

[knotty pasture]

False...

[remote wadi]

Then idk how that is exactly my fault. I did bring it up and then drop it with them, though

Speaking of, back to work

[woven flint]

Even in 2014, EK was still one of the best Fighter subclasses

[fickle heart]

D&D is much like EDH in MTG. It's not just about playing the game, but about playing with the others.

[proven nova]

First off, MAD, second, multiclassing Paladin will get you that but better, no?

[olive flume]

Last night we had a boss fight where both Rogue (me) and monk were downed and our wizard who has Spare the Dying cantrip had to kite the boss for 100 feet. Me and our monk was at 2/ 2 death saves before our Wizard could finally save both of us. it was the most intense moment of our dnd campaign because none of us had Revivify and dying there meant permadeath

[fossil hollow]

youre not rolling in with stupid arse grand arbiter at a casual game yeah

[burnt valley]

I dont have an exact favourite but one of them is either a Kolyarut or a Marut

Reasoning: Auto hit force attacks and disarming

[scenic zinc]

Just like most other group games.

[woven flint]

You're not trying to do damage with EK spells, you're trying to enhance your durability and combat potential

[glass granite]

They’re only as MAD as monks or rangers, or paladins

[fickle heart]

Don't tempt me.

[fossil hollow]

1. its as mad as paladins and rangers
2. their spell lists are entirely different
3. youre multiclassing, thats already weaker than either class solo

[burnt valley]

EK spells should be used for solely control cuz it is king in this game

[woven flint]

Fighters also get additional ASI's lol
MORE in 2014, actually

[proven nova]

Which is to say that multiclassing with Hexblade is objectively better at making a melee combatant who can use magic than EK.

[fossil hollow]

we should play edh together at some point lmao

[olive flume]

Also this was going on in an alternate realm (in a guys mind) so if we died there we probably couldn’t ever wake up in real world

[scenic zinc]

-# multiclassing is highly overrated

[woven flint]

That's not objective, that's an opinion

[proven nova]

False. The strengths in interaction make up for the weaknesses.

[burnt valley]

Hexblade is for armour dipping in 2014

[scenic zinc]

-# being a singular class is mucho fun-o

[woven flint]

Agreed

[proven nova]

That’s a take of all time.

[fossil hollow]

no

[woven flint]

That's legitimately how it was treated for Sorcerers and Bards lol

[fossil hollow]

hexblade is mostly for armor/and or EBARBs

[burnt valley]

Literally every optimizer does it for the sake of getting an armour proficiency

[scenic zinc]

Nah. Hexblade is perfectly fine as a subclass that you can play without ever multiclassing.

[knotty pasture]

But they aren't the same class, also EK isn't that MAD because you just need 14 int to do everything you need, though I think EK does restrict you to Dex Fighter otherwise you're dealing with 10-12 dex and that feels awful

[woven flint]

You'd do a 2 level dip into hexblade
Then go full Bard or Sorcerer
Unless you wanted extra attack to do melee things

[fossil hollow]

3 if you wanted a pact boon

[scenic zinc]

Plus... it's a group game. Stop trying to be good at everything.

[knotty pasture]

Or at least, if you're going Dex Fighter, EK isn't any more MAD than other subclasses

[scenic zinc]

Be great at like one or two things.

[olive flume]

I can never manage ranged/melee hybrid

[proven nova]

Fair, I wish to be good at melee while also having a pact thing. I just don’t like Eldritch Knight, tbh.

[knotty pasture]

Just go Dex Fighter lol, grab a rapier and longbow for your hybrid

[woven flint]

Also, Fighters get more Ability Score increases than other Classes so having MAD subclasses isn't much of a pain for them lol

[glass granite]

Isn’t as much of a pain, yeah

[fossil hollow]

they do be getting a whole two ASIs more

[burnt valley]

It does slow down your spell progression though

[knotty pasture]

I will also say that Hexblade's best features are all at level 1 but after that it goes downhill

You can ofc monoclass Hexblade, its still better than the likes of GOO/Undying

[proven nova]

Feels like nearly all the interesting character ideas kind of get thrown out the window because class mechanics.

[woven flint]

Genuinely all you need is
16 Con on a fighter then everything else is Golden, Fighter is durable enough to where you don't need to pump con completely

[scenic zinc]

Huh? GOOlock is great

[fossil hollow]

archfey is ok in 2014

[burnt valley]

Trying to excel at a niche or subclass isn't the same as "being good at everything"

[scenic zinc]

And only got better in '24

[fossil hollow]

2014 goolock was... nyegh

[knotty pasture]

Hexblade > GOO from what I have here

[olive flume]

I will ask a noob question but is there any way to get higher AC as a druid because I have 12 AC and I can’t wear any metal armor

[fossil hollow]

medium armor

[woven flint]

More Dexterity

[glass granite]

Wear light armor with a bit/lot of Dex

[burnt valley]

2014 or 2024?

[woven flint]

Use a Shield too!

[proven nova]

Would it be better to do Hexblade Swashbucker?

[olive flume]

2014

[woven flint]

Just go Straight up Swashbuckler tbh

[glass granite]

If you want a Gish, it could be cool

[scenic zinc]

Barkskin!

[knotty pasture]

You can go medium armor, reflavor non-hide armor or run hide armor

[proven nova]

Man, you really want me to conform to single class play, don’t you?

[olive flume]

I have 13/12/18/14/20/16 stat spread maybe I should move 14 int to dex

[scenic zinc]

-# yes

[woven flint]

Not really, lol

[fossil hollow]

wheres ophidimancer's himbo hexswashswords

[knotty pasture]

The metal thing is silly imo cuz flavoring is free, medium armor doesn't have to be metal

[proven nova]

This is what I was going for: Gish.

[olive flume]

I want to have 16 cha for RP reasons but maybe I don’t need 14 int…

[woven flint]

I'm just sayin'...
Swashbuckler Rogue by itself is already insanely good

[scenic zinc]

The metal thing isn't even RAW technically

[burnt valley]

Half plate(reflavoured into being made something else + wooden shield)

[proven nova]

What’s there to stop it from making it even better?

[knotty pasture]

Those are really good stats, I'd do 12/16/18/14/20/13

[scenic zinc]

The sac amended that in '14 and it's not even in the '24 phb

[fossil hollow]

shhhh i need to see more exploding druids

[woven flint]

Ya don't need anything else, just full Swash and get your subclass features tbh

[olive flume]

13 str is unfortunately comes from +1 firbolg str

[knotty pasture]

That's fine, just discard str in general and focus on the rest

[burnt valley]

This is the problem with flavor text being mixed up with mechanics

[olive flume]

And yeah I rolled crazy good

[proven nova]

Unfortunately it’s want, not need.

You don’t need to do anything in D&D.

[scenic zinc]

It was RAW. And then the SAC amended it.

[glass granite]

You need to exist

[fossil hollow]

except play nice with your group

[woven flint]

What do you seek to get out of the multiclass?

[proven nova]

I already do.

[glass granite]

Congrats.

[woven flint]

Nuh uh...!

[glass granite]

Already better than most things.

[woven flint]

Nobody here is real, it's a figment of my imagination

[scenic zinc]

Your delineation of what is and isn't the rules based on what you view as flavortext vs mechanics is entirely arbitrary.

[woven flint]

I'm yelling into a empty server rn. Trust

[olive flume]

Already one upping many historical philosophers

[scenic zinc]

The whole book is the rules.

[glass granite]

-# what does delineation mean?

[remote wadi]

Okay, I do have a question that I will have to ask eventually

What should I do if I want to search for a certain campaign, but am often busy with work and life so time is close to none?

[scenic zinc]

A separation between things

[fossil hollow]

its not your fault. the accident was 2 years ago

[burnt valley]

Adventurer's League

[woven flint]

4, actually

[remote wadi]

According to Google, describing or portraying something precisely

[remote wadi]

...huh?

[scenic zinc]

the action of indicating the exact position of a border or boundary.

Is the definition of delineation I was utilizing.

[glass granite]

https://www.dndbeyond.com/posts/1676-what-is-adventurers-league?srsltid=AfmBOoogUnOrTc-9c3PKcOmM4vESannvSwv5K92Wb5ugWXhd7-jkrITw
might explain it better than I can

[glass granite]

Thank you

[knotty pasture]

Don't, cuz tables could kick you out if you're missing sessions

[scenic zinc]

Which is why I said #dnd-discussion message

[remote wadi]

I meant that whether it ends or ends early, I will have to ask this eventually. And our Cleric is currently 1/6 and he's doing fine

[fossil hollow]

sigh

[knotty pasture]

Normally speaking tables don't really tolerate an attendance rate of 17%

Sounds like the Cleric really should have stuck to one shots

[remote wadi]

Just saying, no need to worry about me

At least on that front. The others... ehhh

Oh, yeah. Another question I wanted to ask

Does being behind an ally count as light obscurement?

[fossil hollow]

no. cover

Half cover to be exact

[scenic zinc]

There's no such thing

[fossil hollow]

hm?

[remote wadi]

Then i should probably ask you all for help on what counts as light obscurement aside from things like fog and dim light

[woven flint]

Fog cloud.

[fossil hollow]

the rules cover what counts as obscurement

[scenic zinc]

I'm a liar

[fossil hollow]

its lightly and heavily, no?

[scenic zinc]

That's why my brain was short circuiting. It wasn't adding in the ly

[remote wadi]

So foliage counts as obscurement too?

Fighting in a forest doesn't seem that bad now

[fossil hollow]

again. the rules cover what counts. anything else is up to dm

[scenic zinc]

Maybe? Depends on what your dm says

[remote wadi]

Rules say moderate foliage would count as light obscurement

But if i were to ask about what counts for that

One could probably imagine their reactions. Their being everyone but Paladin and Wizard

[scenic zinc]

Sure... and it doesn't define what "moderate foliage" is.

[fossil hollow]

now moderate foliage isnt a thing yeah

[scenic zinc]

So you would need to ask if the amount is equivalent to that.

[remote wadi]

Well, at least that's an avenue of a way to hide myself when I get 2 more levels

Light isn't the only option. That's a w

[burnt valley]

We love DM fiat

[remote wadi]

fiat?

[scenic zinc]

This is the sort of questioning that I can now understand why those other players are getting annoyed.

[remote wadi]

Okay, my character will be utilizing the environment a lot

Next 2 levels will give me a feat and Cunning Action. I should probably ask for a baseline on what does and doesn't work so I can use it well

[prime pewter]

I just got inspired to make a Tiefling Undead Warlock! How, you may ask? By... seeing a Tiefling undead warlock (lol)

[scenic zinc]

It sounds like you taking advantage of the wording of the system from a meta perspective and then having your character do those things.

[remote wadi]

No, I literally just want to ask you all what are light foliage examples before I take Skulker

[knotty pasture]

Sounds like optimizing, not to the level of infinite AC Beast Barb or godexits but

[fossil hollow]

which we said are up to dm to decide on

[glass granite]

Haven’t I answered this

[scenic zinc]

Whether it's that or not is beside the point. I'm telling you that's what it looks like.

[fossil hollow]

and we're back again

[remote wadi]

I'm playing a Ranger. To an extent, I'll need what little help and knowledge is available to me

[glass granite]

Yesterday

[remote wadi]

I'm asking this chat, not them

[misty vault]

DM Fiat is when a situation arises that needs the DM to make a decision, generally because there is no clear ruling or mechanic to deal with what the player/s wants to do.

[fossil hollow]

apparently the wheel of convos is getting smaller

[glass granite]

Ok

[knotty pasture]

I mean Nugget's hardly that off with advice

[glass granite]

Aww, thank you

[misty vault]

but yeah, in most cases ask your DM.

[knotty pasture]

Do you not trust Nugget

Who do you trust here actually

[remote wadi]

It just gets annoying because I'm trying to be concise about what I say

[glass granite]

I think I said patchy fog, foliage and dim light…

[scenic zinc]

Identify doesn't reveal curses.

[misty vault]

I trust in the Nug.

[knotty pasture]

As for the cursed items thing, maybe vague wording and open ended descriptions?

[fossil hollow]

whats the point in asking if youre just gonna ask again and again

[woven flint]

Nugget may be smelly
But he's pretty legit

[glass granite]

OI

[remote wadi]

Because I only needed to ask what counts as light foliage once, holy

[knotty pasture]

"This light armor gives a large amount of AC but cannot be boosted further from most sources"

[woven flint]

You smell like Chicken, duhhh

[misty vault]

chickon gud

[scenic zinc]

You're asking the wrong people.

[glass granite]

I’ve said this many times before, I’ve never specified what type of Nugget I am.

[knotty pasture]

Which can really mean 11 > 13 AC fixed

[scenic zinc]

The only person who can define what that is is the dm of your game.

[remote wadi]

So nobody here has any sort of baseline or rule of thumbs on Light foliage? Not a single dang starting point?

[glass granite]

Cauliflower, chicken, human, gold, iron, silver, knowledge, wisdom, Ao, beef

[woven flint]

You've said you're a chicken nugget

[fossil hollow]

which nugget literally answred to you apparently yesterday?

[scenic zinc]

It doesn't matter what anyone here says.

[glass granite]

Nay, I said if I was a chicken nugget I’d be scared

[scenic zinc]

We aren't the dm of the game you're playing in.

[woven flint]

You're a chicken nugget.

[fossil hollow]

and yeah. again.

Obscurement is DM fiat

[prime pewter]

Guys I love kicking my feet up happily while talking to my dm about Agohza the Boglord, Black Dracolich

[scenic zinc]

We can all hypothesize to our hearts content about what makes sense as obscurement.

[glass granite]

As it’s DM discretion, i recommend asking your DM That question

[fossil hollow]

unless a feature explicitly calls it obscurement, its up to dm wether it counts as obscurement

[scenic zinc]

Only your dm will actually decide what that is in the game you're playing in.

[remote wadi]

I don't recall Nugget telling me this information

[burnt valley]

They also get to decide if your class features will actually work/matter like Conjuration Wizard or Assassin Rogue(2014)

[remote wadi]

If he did and I forgot, I apologize

[woven flint]

Well...

Howdee

[prime pewter]

Me when I mispell something and French Red: The Class is born

[glass granite]

I did, but all goods. You can’t remember or see everything.

#dnd-discussion message

Greetings! Hope your existence is tolerable

[woven flint]

Existing in..
The prime material planes rn

Boutta go to bed cuz I'm built like a sleepy lil guy

[prime pewter]

I'm in the Abyss rn... it is not fun

[glass granite]

I’m in the land down under

[prime pewter]

Nine hells?

[woven flint]

Yeah..

[woven flint]

Nah, Eberron, maybe

[prime pewter]

Oh yea

[fossil hollow]

the land down under is the underdark

[prime pewter]

Heard a new book is gonna come out for ebberon!

[fossil hollow]

it came out yesterday actually

[woven flint]

Its already out

[glass granite]

What they said

[prime pewter]

Ah

Nevermind

[misty vault]

actually a old book but now available on DDB

[prime pewter]

That's cool!!

[remote wadi]

Ahhh, there it is. Deeply sorry for that one

[prime pewter]

Why are kobolds so hard to draw...

[remote wadi]

Part of me also thought "didn't I answer this before?" Was in relation to how they interpreted my question

[prime pewter]

Im thinking of playing one and that's the biggest turn off

[misty vault]

depends on what version of kobolds you're drawing. dog face kobolds, traditional D&D kobolds, or salamander paizo kobolds

[woven flint]

I'm gonna eat the traps, dw

[prime pewter]

D&D

Ill probably end up playing a Tiefling warlock

[scenic zinc]

Original dnd kobolds were dog kobolds not dragon

[remote wadi]

Well, either way, I don't think some levels of optimization are bad. Especially when they mostly affect myself, some people in the party tend to get very upset at the mere thought of collaboration or someone else benefitting. Won't be playing with those people after this campaign is over, and will probably be the last time I fall for someone using me out of campaign like that

[misty vault]

dat be my tiefling kobold. The dog-faced kind

they had tiny horns

[remote wadi]

Not trying to make my damage as high as possible or choose everything right. Just want to be well informed on a mechanic and use it the best way a Ranger/Rogue can

[prime pewter]

Awww

[glass granite]

True, some levels of optimisation is not bad, depending on the table.

[burnt valley]

People sometimes get hostile regarding optimization, accusing you of white room or call it powergaming as a kneejerk reaction

[glass granite]

But I think there is just a clear difference in mindset here

[fossil hollow]

which has been repeated

[burnt valley]

Like some people genuinely do not want to excel in their subclass and go off making builds with vibes alone

[scenic zinc]

Also, timing matters as well as the way in the which you go about asking about optimization things.

[misty vault]

the best way to optimize.. don't show off.

[glass granite]

And also how you go about doing it

[scenic zinc]

Mid session isn't the time or place.

[glass granite]

And often having others try to change the way they do things to accommodate you can end poorly

[remote wadi]

Well, I will definitely have some sort of satisfaction from making something work, but not to the extent of "Haha, I'm doing these things better than you can"

[burnt valley]

Fake optimizers often show off with a shitty build especially ones that focus on maximizing movement speed but still end up relying on melee for meaningful damage and copious amounts of magic items

Its like one of those dnd youtubers saying a trick or build "One of the most broken of all time!"

[scenic zinc]

And coming at your dm with "Well I asked the dnd server and they said xyz" is a very bad way to start off that conversation

[prime pewter]

So uhm here's some ideas for a character: bog witch (warlock. subclass is something like fiend or undead?) Maybe the second theme could be crow? Like kenku?

[misty vault]

exactly

[glass granite]

But you seem to be showing off your desire to constantly make yourself stronger.
-# also an observation, but I don’t think I’ve seen any discussion on your characters thematics and flavour in ages

I’ve forgotten the PC’s name at this point

[scenic zinc]

-# that's because that word is spelled flavor

[remote wadi]

Which is also true. But the the biggest issue is have with advice like this is that it often leaves out important parts

Like, i can see why fighting at night would be annoying. Because it requires them to sacrifice something very useful

[misty vault]

did you choose to be a vampire spawn?

[glass granite]

Yes (for his character to be revived)

[burnt valley]

There's nothing wrong with it imo

[remote wadi]

But for, say, killing the lights as you progress, this is something that everyone benefits from and would want to do anyways

[glass granite]

Maybe, but his table seems to believe so

[prime pewter]

I could name him cackle!! This guy is gonna be fun

[misty vault]

that's on the DM, who threw the party a curve ball. The DM knew what they were doing or didn't realize it until allowing it

[scenic zinc]

To you. It appears to be annoying the players at their table.

[glass granite]

If everyone wanted to do it, I feel like they would’ve done it

[misty vault]

but once you have a vampire spawn in the party, your traveling dynamics will change

[remote wadi]

Just for clarity sake, I can remove the drawbacks just fine. But I also want to reap the benefits in a reasonable way

[burnt valley]

Ah then, i think they'll have to cast Find Greater Table

[fossil hollow]

weve said it multiple tims

[glass granite]

Welcome to the club

[remote wadi]

Could be for who knows what reason. Maybe because they haven't thought of it yet or haven't gotten the opportunity to

[scenic zinc]

*other. Greater is debatable.

[misty vault]

if the problem is traveling, unfortunately you're gonna have to stick to dim light conditions or darkness. That means staying in the shade. Alot. Which isn't too hard in a CoS setting.

I also point out in CoS the sunlight doesn't hurt vampires. I need to check

[glass granite]

Or simply don’t think it’s necessary, or don’t feel like their characters would want to do it or do it.

[fossil hollow]

i hate strahd

[glass granite]

Either way, we can’t assume. You could ask them

[cinder timber]

Hello peeps

[misty vault]

By the will of the Dark Powers, the sun never fully shines in the lands of Barovia. Even during the day, the sky is dimmed by fog or storm clouds, or the light is strangely muted. Barovian daylight is bright light, yet it isn’t considered sunlight for the purpose of effects and vulnerabilities, such as a vampire’s, tied to sunlight.

Nevertheless, Strahd and his vampire spawn tend to stay indoors most of the day and venture out at night, and they are subject to sunlight created by magic.

[glass granite]

Goood morning afternoon evening!

[scenic zinc]

I'd rather play VtM if my ttrpg is gunna have vampires.

[fossil hollow]

i will cave that incel where he stands, i swear it

[misty vault]

chapter 2 of CoS

[scenic zinc]

D&D vamps just don't do it for me.

[remote wadi]

And half of me wants to tell out "bite me" to them. Only to the extent that considering what little they give, it's reasonable to not care about what they think. Enough to not purposely cause issues, not enough to bother that they see me trying to make a character work with little/no effort from them as a bad thing

[misty vault]

well, yeah. You're supposed to cave that incel.

[cinder timber]

Good evening, afternoon, morning

[fossil hollow]

the stupid idiot ran through a wall and is currently regenerating

[scenic zinc]

Straight up - leave that table.

[misty vault]

but daylight in Barovia shouldn't be a problem for the vampire spawn PC

[misty vault]

that's his entire tactic in the book.

[burnt valley]

Microwave Strahd with Wall of Force, Fog Cloud and Sickening Radiance

[fossil hollow]

i hate him

[tame estuary]

we've told you this a lot of times

[scenic zinc]

If not because of how they are getting annoyed, then at the very least because you just said what you did.

[fossil hollow]

can still go through the floors to my knowledge

[scenic zinc]

That table isn't for you any longer.

[misty vault]

have the druid turn into a water elemental and engulf Strahd... then run around the room... and kill him. Running water

[tame estuary]

either lower your expectations and just show up and stop being sad about your situation, or place yourself in a better situation

[fossil hollow]

i dont even think we have someone who can cast the microwave spells

[remote wadi]

Probably better for the moment to just ignore them and move on. If this happens again, I will talk with DM and party members that care

[scenic zinc]

You're actively hostile to the other players in what you just said.

[remote wadi]

Even I'm starting to get upset at how often I have to hear this

[burnt valley]

Cant you shape it into a fully spherical dome?

[glass granite]

I’d do one better and get all to gather
Including the ones that don’t

[scenic zinc]

It's time for you to cut your ties to that table.

[fossil hollow]

from what i hear when you tried talking, it has no effect on them by now

[remote wadi]

It was just me stating my lack of concern for what they think, given they'll hate me anyways

[fossil hollow]

thats a ripe reason to just. leave

... also im surprised that didnt get you kicked

[misty vault]

they hate you?

[glass granite]

Could I give my final (for the day) POV on this Bloodline?

[remote wadi]

It'll be hard to, especially with Paladin and Wizard usually not looking at the server outside of dnd time. I'll definitely try, though

[misty vault]

dood, that's the vampire spawn evil pride talkng. Don't go full Buffy Vampire.

[scenic zinc]

This is a game. Meant to be played to have fun. You're not describing a fun thing.

[glass granite]

That works, just make the effort

[fossil hollow]

telling the group you dont care what thy think is definitely a choice

[misty vault]

don't go full Buffy.

[remote wadi]

What got me killed was a terrible blunder on Wizard's part. He has more than apologized for it

[scenic zinc]

Kicked. Not killed.

[remote wadi]

I didn't say the group. I said the people that are going to give me flak no matter what I do

[remote wadi]

Oh. Oops

[fossil hollow]

that doesnt change the people giving you flak still exist

[scenic zinc]

Are internet people real?
-# yes

[fossil hollow]

if theres even one person making your dnd time making it a shit time, its a shit time. ive been on that scenario more than once

[misty vault]

here is a question: why do you play the game? Why are you still showing up regularly session after session? Are you there for yourself, the story, the players, or the DM?

[remote wadi]

Yeah, and I'm going to be doing what I usually do and bring it up to the DM

Especially because druid has been a problem player on purpose before

[fossil hollow]

ive just not played with that group or ended that group

i just stopped playing with most of them

or asked them to leave

[misty vault]

also, are you aware that those players in your CoS game.. might be in this chat and reading what you are posting?

[remote wadi]

Because it's still very much enjoyable despite a person or 2 causing problems from time to time

Especially because Paladin and Wizard are pretty chill and helpful

[misty vault]

then keep playing and be chill

[fossil hollow]

... im getting so much conflicting information here

[glass granite]

My advice is this Bloodline:
next session, do nothing out of what they want from you. Help out, give support, do your thing. Praise people, get immersed, roleplay, don’t mention anything that could bring up optimisation.
If you do not have fun or still get flak for things you don’t believe are fair:

1. Talk to the table as a whole, honestly and politely.
2. If 1 does not work, but you did have fun, keep doing that.
3. if 1 did not work, and you didn’t have fun, leave.
   Because genuinely to me this doesn’t sound like the worst people.

[prime pewter]

It kinda feels like this is going in circles

[glass granite]

Also mentioned this yesterday

[fossil hollow]

it has been for a while

[misty vault]

it always goes in circles

[fossil hollow]

its not the first rodeo

[glass granite]

I think I was the first or one of the first to get involved

[prime pewter]

It should go in triangles. I like triangles

[glass granite]

Ooo I do like triangles

[misty vault]

triangle nugget

[scenic zinc]

Triangles are just a small portion of a circle

[fossil hollow]

all these squares make a circle

[glass granite]

The shapes do be shaping

[scenic zinc]

I need to sleep... i was supposed to go to bed 4 hours ago

[misty vault]

honestly, this is a cooperative game. You need to let them do what they do and you do what you do. There may be times of conflict, but best to go with group choice.

[remote wadi]

Hmm

I can do that, sure. Very reasonable for in campaign

My only question is, what should I do if the problem hypothetically starts to happen outside of the campaign?

[scenic zinc]

Night.

[glass granite]

Good night!

[misty vault]

There is such a thing as when someone needs to step up and say, "okay. We have all come to a disagreement. Let's put a vote on it."

[glass granite]

Step 1, 2 and 3

[misty vault]

and then vote on it and move on

[glass granite]

Especially 1

[remote wadi]

Fair enough, fair enough. Let's hope for a reasonable 2 at worst

[misty vault]

if things happen outside the campaign, that is above table talk and that is for the DM to handle.

[prime pewter]

Okay this may seem like a strange ask, but do any of you have ideas on how to find banks of like, 500 common words? I might be playing a kenku and I think it could be interesting if thats how i went about it

[glass granite]

Let’s hope things are resolved at 1…

[tame estuary]

do you wanna draw out of a hat or something?

[remote wadi]

At worst, 2. But sure

I can work with that

[glass granite]

Wish ya luck, gtg

[tame estuary]

I mean you can do something fun and do like a kenku that only speaks words from the bible

[remote wadi]

Catch ya later

[prime pewter]

Ill do that (what makes it funny is that this character is a witch who doesn't even know how to read common tongue)

[tame estuary]

nothing is cooler than a character that speaks specifically only bible quotes

[burnt valley]

What's the most powerful builds mechanically have you guys made? Magic items do not count

[remote wadi]

Question about Warlock, by the way. Is the class more of a "twice as bright, half as long" class?

[tame estuary]

except chainsaw man

no

[burnt valley]

Nyet

[prime pewter]

It balances out to get more bang for your buck

[tame estuary]

warlock is as good (and I argue slightly worse) as other casters

[remote wadi]

Can't say much because this is my first build

Probably can't say more later either because I'm not THAT into optimization

[tame estuary]

they're just different and have to take their warlock naps

[remote wadi]

Wanted to ask because I liked the idea of a glass cannon with otherworldly aspects

[prime pewter]

They're cool tho!!

[tame estuary]

want a glasscanon? wizard

[burnt valley]

Casters aren't squishy

[remote wadi]

Honestly? I'm not a Wizard kind of person

[tame estuary]

well sorry

[remote wadi]

But if i played Wizard, I lowkey would take Lightning Bolt because it's heccin cool

[burnt valley]

https://tabletopbuilds.com/the-squishy-caster-fallacy/

[remote wadi]

Anyways, the Warlock idea is had is much easier to explain if you heard of the game Prey

[burnt valley]

Warlocks are one of the best, Eldritch Blast makes it really good at all Tiers of play

[remote wadi]

But yeah, I know Lightning Bolt is worse than Fireball

[tame estuary]

you switch between character you want to play and build you want to have

[remote wadi]

But I think that shooting an entire stream of Lightning is more appealing to me than just beeg fire

[burnt valley]

There's an equivalent to it i think, Witch Bolt?

[glass granite]

Respectable
Also hi I’m back

[glass granite]

That’s a first level spell

Tbh it’s an aight one

[burnt valley]

I know

[remote wadi]

As a chubby pink star once said, "Now it's my turn"

Hi, back, I'm Bloodline

[glass granite]

The more people use the joke, the bigger mark I leave.

[remote wadi]

I'm familiar with it, but that doesn't mean I want to take it. Just that if I picked Wizard, I would pick Lightning Bolt over Fireball

[glass granite]

“We only die when we are forgotten. Burn bright. Burn brief. But burn.”
And so my stories shall be told long after I am gone

[remote wadi]

It's addicting to do once in a while, what can I say?

[glass granite]

You can say many things

[remote wadi]

True

[glass granite]

Maybe I should DM an online one shot soon…

[burnt valley]

Tier 4?

[glass granite]

I’ve only ever done one, and it was fun
Probably tier 2

[burnt valley]

Plsplspslspls im itching to play more T4s since ive only got to play it twice at adventurers league

Im tweaking

[glass granite]

I’ve never DM’ed above tier two, let alone three lol. I’m not confident I can do it well

[remote wadi]

Heck, I'd be down for that. One shots are also an excellent place to play joke characters

[burnt valley]

Aw man, fair enough

[glass granite]

Just a thought, nothing concrete yet

I unfortunately had to cancel a campaign too (was gonna start one but I’m getting too busy)

Could use my notes for that one to forge a one shot though

[remote wadi]

Probably one character I would want to play for a joke

[cinder timber]

What is this tier system?

[remote wadi]

Usually 4 tiers in DnD gameplay. Each is dependent on level
Like, level 2 is probably level 5-10, give or take

[glass granite]

Tier 1 is levels 1-4
t2 is 5-10
T3 is 11-16
T4 is above

[remote wadi]

Anyways, one character i would want to play for a joke

[cinder timber]

I see. Thanks for clarifying!

[glass granite]

No problemo

[remote wadi]

Lizardfolk Artificer with a Noble background
Have it be a reference to King K Rool

[glass granite]

Only thing I know of K Rool is from smash, unfortunately

[remote wadi]

Then you know enough

[glass granite]

Damn belly armor

[remote wadi]

Blunderbuss, propeller pack, crown boomerang

Would work well in DnD

[burnt valley]

Would K Rool be armourer?

[remote wadi]

Not too sure. Only a rough idea

[remote wadi]

Also, that other game I play on Fridays and Sundays is Smash, actually

[glass granite]

Oh hell yeah

[remote wadi]

Trying to juggle work, DnD, and playing competitively. Trying to break top 100 for Hero worldwide

[glass granite]

Now that I think about it, my love for unarmed fighters extends beyond dnd
-# also Tf worldwide?!

[glass granite]

I main little Mac, if it wasn’t obvious enough

[cinder timber]

R u trying to enter esports scene?

[remote wadi]

I mean top 100 Hero mains worldwide. When I was in Colorado and could attend more regularly, I was about top 125

[remote wadi]

Probably not. Not now, at least. Juggling a lot of things in life

[glass granite]

Not too bad with him too. Probably also why I prefer punching monks rather than kicking monks.

[remote wadi]

Kicking???

Aw, I wanna do some kicking!!

[glass granite]

Unarmed strikes can be made with any part of the body after all

Heck, headbutt people to death if that’s your thing

[remote wadi]

Ooh, maybe I could send you one of my favorite clips I got in a tournament

[glass granite]

Elbows, knees, face, forehead, belly, leg, foot, shin, fists, palm…
Also yes plz

[burnt valley]

I wish Monks can do more superhuman things besides the irl mundane stuff

Imagine a Monk punching so fast and hard that it creates a shockwave from their fist

[glass granite]

Could flavour elements monk to do that maybe

Tbh I’m very happy with where monk is rn

[dreamy thorn]

Or maybe they could be like spiritual mages like go invisible or something? Mind powers.

[fossil hollow]

astral self calls

[marble lion]

Astral self
Stunning strike
Elemental monk

[burnt valley]

Monks striking multiple pressure points to paralyze an opponent

[marble lion]

You need to take a look at flavour i think

But i do think martials can be undersold by tables a good bit

[burnt valley]

Its not as satisfying if it doesnt match up in terms of mechanics

[marble lion]

I like to let them do some more fantastical stuff at higher levels

[tame estuary]

I wish there's like a flametongue version of wraps of unarmed prowess

[marble lion]

Supernatural feats of speed strength or durability

[tame estuary]

flametongue wraps

[burnt valley]

Yes

[fossil hollow]

there are, but they only add d6s

[burnt valley]

Or AL allows gloves of soul catching as a reward

[fossil hollow]

the gloves of soul catching deal extra 2d10 necro

and heal ya back

[burnt valley]

Yes

[knotty pasture]

No its Eldritch Blast go brr

Your two spell slots are there to lock down an area and let you EB some more

[burnt valley]

They also get True Polymorph at Lvl 17

[knotty pasture]

Cut from the same cloth as Ranger in a sense

Lock down an area and play tower defense, except Warlock has less support options but better burst damage/control options

[remote wadi]

Unfortunately so. It's just too good of a cantrip

It's a shame because I would totally enjoy Warlock if it meant leaning more into the unique spellcasting

[knotty pasture]

It is plenty unique

Warlock's basically like a nail gun that does one thing really well and can be modded like a gun with scopes and silencers etc

But it does need to recharge (short rest)

[tropic plank]

Unless you’re in a party of all warlocks, not taking eldritch blast is like never using a smite as a paladin

[knotty pasture]

(Except not using smites is legit)

But that makes for a v boring Paladin so don't do that

[tropic plank]

If you want a different analogy it’s like not using rage as a barbarian

[knotty pasture]

Yeah that

[tropic plank]

One way to at least add a little personality to Eldritch blast would be to give it a different name depending on your subclass, maybe it’s only ‘Eldritch’ for a great old one, but it’s ‘infernal’ for a devil or something

[remote wadi]

Nah, I'd say Wizard is more of a rifle for customization

Warlock is more akin to a sniper rifle

Or magnum

[knotty pasture]

Wizard's an armoury full of guns but you can only pick like 3

Sorc is a bazooka

[remote wadi]

I'm listening

[glass granite]

Hi listening, I’m Nugget

[remote wadi]

Walked into that one

[knotty pasture]

Nothing metamagic can't solve if you just buff your spells with it

Even if you have less overall choices so every spell choice counts

[remote wadi]

But how exactly is sorcerer akin to a bazooka? I want to hear this

[knotty pasture]

You just brute force through things after a spell's been buffed by metamagic, you can nullify enemy counterspells, you can cast a spell from miles away, your spells can affect 2 people at once, etc

[tropic plank]

Lots of high damage aoe
Sorcerers are actually more likely to use fireball than wizards in my experience

[remote wadi]

Hmmmm

How are options for single target damage?

[knotty pasture]

There's always Disintegrate at level 6

Heightened Spell increases the chances of the enemy failing the safe so it'd do full damage

[tropic plank]

Sorcerers generally have less spells to chose from than Wizards so they’re geared to damage by default, whereas a wizard can be a more supporting role

[remote wadi]

Holy moly, I just looked at the spell

10d6+40 damage is pretty big

[noble basin]

yea but if they succeed they dont take half which kinda sucks

[remote wadi]

A shame that it's a 6th level spell, though

[wanton sorrel]

I'm excited for my 3rd session. To defeat a demodragon

[remote wadi]

Not sure if that is RAI, but I don't see anywhere about taking half damage on a success

[knotty pasture]

0 damage on a successful save

[remote wadi]

Yeah...

[knotty pasture]

Well that's what Sorcs are here for at least, maximize your chances of dealing that damage

[remote wadi]

Just checked Heightened Spell

[undone rain]

The paladin experience is like that one scene in megamind where metroman gets hit by several objects and he just stands there unaffected. High ac be carrying

[remote wadi]

I think I should really try Sorcerer sometime

[remote wadi]

Yeah, it's one of the many things that make Paladin probably the best martial class

[knotty pasture]

No that's Ranger lol

[remote wadi]

Ehhh, I don't know

[undone rain]

Their still great at frontlining

Maybe not as great compared to fighter and barbs but they can handle themselves well

[remote wadi]

Ranger is good, but idk about better than Paladin good

[knotty pasture]

Ranger's still valuable by virtue of PWT and nova damage on turn 1, Paladin's more of an aura bot past a certain point and eventually plays like a Sorc with heavy armor

[remote wadi]

Also, I think Autocorrect not helping me with that message is telling me that I should do a running gag of never spelling Paladin correctly

[remote wadi]

It also makes it hard to contest because despite being a half spellcaster, they get both the benefits of being a prepared vs known

And the modifier to total spells prepared

[knotty pasture]

Paladin multiclasses are also more awkward cuz you have to dedicate 13 str to multiclass out of it, with Ranger its relatively smooth in comparison

[remote wadi]

Palaldin is already level 5 and has 7 prepared spells

[knotty pasture]

Its not the quantity its the quality

In terms of level 2 spells for both classes, Ranger > Paladin

[remote wadi]

They got great healing and support for that, too. Prayer of Healing, Sanctuary, Bless, Cure Wounds

And the one I keep forgetting about, Lay on Hands

[undone rain]

Their not spell slots their smite slots/j

[remote wadi]

For level 2 spells? Ranger, piece of cake. CoE, PWT, and Rope Trick are amazing

[knotty pasture]

Paladin doesn't get Sanctuary

[remote wadi]

And that's the other bit. 2d8 extra damage on a melee hit for a BA and lvl 1 slot is really great early on and still holds up later if Paladdin gets a crit

[knotty pasture]

Past a certain point the main niche for smites is amping up your crit damage only

[remote wadi]

Devotion subclass. Level 3

[undone rain]

Oh yeah and i got a big weapon for my paladin, greatclub. Be making my enemies into mush

[knotty pasture]

Oh right Devotion, eh Ranger still better

[undone rain]

While tanking dosent reallt work in dnd, it definetly works in bg3

[remote wadi]

Maybe a part of it is that I have to push myself away from dependency and have my class suffer a bit for it

[knotty pasture]

Well no its because of the bad rolls and homebrewing

[remote wadi]

Whereas Paloldin is a lot more independent

[knotty pasture]

Paladin isn't that independent either because the bread and butter is the aura at level 7

And that only has a 10 ft range (30 ft at level 18)

[remote wadi]

I mean in the sense that Paladinner is a Frontline class with great AC, a Fighting Style, and considerable healing and damage options

[burnt valley]

Frontliners do not exist in dnd

[knotty pasture]

AC stuff is also a trap cuz there's plenty of ways to squeeze out AC

[remote wadi]

I mean, hard to think of reasons that a nidalaP would want to play at a range

[burnt valley]

No reliable ways to draw aggro
Enemies deal more damage than martials in melee and rubbed the salt in with no save conditions
Falls to a single control spell

[knotty pasture]

Uh because Hand Crossbows have higher DPR than smiting every turn?

[remote wadi]

How, exactly?

[burnt valley]

Doesn't it also not waste all of your slots

[knotty pasture]

Its somewhere in #optimization one sec

[remote wadi]

Hand crossbow is 1d6

Smiting is weapon damage plus 2d8

[knotty pasture]

#optimization message

[remote wadi]

Oh, so it takes averages into account over a longer and drawn out battle?

[knotty pasture]

After grabbing feats Hand Crossbows win unless every hit is a crit in which Divine Smite wins (and this is why you only Divine Smite on a crit)

[remote wadi]

I guess that makes sense

[knotty pasture]

No you're missing the point, DPR means damage per round

Even at turn 1, Hand Crossbows win

Uhh did you read what I sent you

[remote wadi]

Not very well

[knotty pasture]

Which part don't you understand

The 0.65 and 0.75 refers to average hit chance

[tame estuary]

it's fine to go over and read

helps a lot actually

[remote wadi]

I did try to, but it is very confusing

[tame estuary]

also some people uses text to speech and this breaks stuff

[remote wadi]

Which this helps explain that

[tame estuary]

please be more considerate

[remote wadi]

My bad. I was doing a bit of a running gag

[tame estuary]

can you not make it into a running gag or is that still confusing?

[remote wadi]

Autocorrect wouldn't do anything when I typed "Paladin", so I decided to basically say anything but that. Spelling it backwards, a few nicknames, a reference or 2, and now binary

Sorry

Message is deleted now

[glass granite]

Oh that was what it was

[knotty pasture]

Divine Smiting with a Rapier: 0.65 x (3d8+3) = 10.7 average damage per round
Just attacking with Hand Crossbows twice: 2 x 0.5 x (1d6+13) = 16.5 average damage per round

[worn lagoon]

oh that's funny i like that

[burnt valley]

Melee lul

[knotty pasture]

Fighters with Polearm Master (best melee feat) and dueling hit for 10.7 damage per round

[remote wadi]

Okay, question about CBE

Can it be the same weapon for the attack and BA?

[knotty pasture]

You aren't spending any spell slots as Fighter and still do a bit more damage than Divine Smite

Yes of course, dual wielding hand crossbows is a thing

[remote wadi]

No, I mean like

[knotty pasture]

Oh in that case no, you have to be holding two Hand Crossbows at once

[remote wadi]

So it does require a bit of investment too

[knotty pasture]

Its 75 x 2 = 150 gp...

[remote wadi]

Nevertheless, I can see how Ramger can do well with that

[remote wadi]

Not that small later on, but maybe at the start

[knotty pasture]

You do need CBE to get this going so yes, but by that point you should be able to cough up 150 gp

[remote wadi]

By the way, I noticed you said Rapier for the melee weapon. Any particular reason for that?

[remote wadi]

I suppose I did overlook that bit

[tame estuary]

kind of the best one handed weapon