dnd-discussion

[lavish flame]

cats with wings

[buoyant oar]

Mistakes

[naive cedar]

No u

[halcyon bison]

Well they’re feathered quadrupeds so they’re the opposite of men

[buoyant oar]

Well. Tressym were an unintentional byproduct of a wizards experiment.

So they kinda were mistakes.

[fossil hollow]

happy little accidents, in the words of bob ross

[naive cedar]

Tressyms represent happy accidents in scientific discovery

[fossil hollow]

owlbears, on the other hand...

[naive cedar]

Owlbears represent how no matter how weird a creature is, the baby version will always be cute

[hollow stone]

owlbears in general are cute, it's just a shame they'd flatline me if i tried to cuddle it

[naive cedar]

tbh you're right and you should say it. owlbears are weirdly cute

[fossil hollow]

just kill the mother

[naive cedar]

although bears in general are cute

[hollow stone]

owls are cute and bears are cute, so mathematically it works out

[naive cedar]

you could also just let a bunch of goblins do it and then swoop in and save the baby

[fossil hollow]

very true

[naive cedar]

i also think intellect devourers are cute so i think i just have no survival instincts

[fossil hollow]

almost killed some people in my waterdeep game with it

[hollow stone]

if only animal handling was CHA, then it'd be easier to domesticate them

can you domesticate owlbears?

[molten pumice]

Aasimar with 3 levels in wild heart barbarian actually makes a kryptonian way easier than I was thinking it'd be.

[fossil hollow]

not without a lot of meat and missing limbs

[naive cedar]

They say you should put some of yourself into your characters. I do this by making them all the type of person who would see a displacer beast and go "pspspspspspspspsps"

[worn lagoon]

giving my party's paladin markoheshkir-but-sword because i'm frustrated with the lack of damage

[severe rampart]

Evren pleaseee, let us suffer the consequences of our actions

[worn lagoon]

you'll suffer alright

[severe rampart]

okay time to get Water Walk

[fossil hollow]

as much as i like to see playrs succeed, there needs to be some amount of harm done to them

[severe rampart]

I love flavor, give me a break

[fossil hollow]

every action has an opposite consequence

[severe rampart]

but my level 2 character did nearly beat my level 8 character (the character I'm playing in the campaign) in a damage race

[worn lagoon]

the singular bat that bit the barbarian once before dying beat your lv7 bard in the damage race

[severe rampart]

LISTEN I would've dealt more damage if you let me kill the intern

[severe rampart]

honestly, I only beat it because of Spirit Guardian's sure hit

[potent vector]

. . . This is a sentence of all time

[small relic]

man... finding a game is getting really frustrating, i apply, i have experience and stuff, but i just get ignored, its feeling impossible to find a game

[severe rampart]

the wait will be worth it to find the perfect DnD party

[naive cedar]

I stand by what i said

[jovial shadow]

I was just looking at Water Walk, and although it does allow you to walk across Lava, you still take heat damage

in 2024 anyway

[severe rampart]

I know that, I also know that it wont be that hot to the point my character will take critical damage

[fossil hollow]

iirc, its a bit more then fireball damage every turn

[severe rampart]

• we have a paladin with lay on hands, a light cleric, and I have some pretty good healing

[small relic]

i dont even want a pefect one, i just want a party, know?

[severe rampart]

though, I'm afraid of what will happen to the fighter...

[small relic]

i feel like id need to be a dm to bne able to play

[severe rampart]

I've been with a lot of parties now, and I'm telling you, no DnD is better than bad DnD

[small relic]

man,o i just wanna play though

[lavish flame]

Lava is (per the Improvising Damage table) 10d10 fire damage if you're wading through it and 18d10 if you are submerged in it.

[small relic]

like i have experience, i can rp and be chill

[jovial shadow]

I was just saying because you said you could walk across it as if it were harmless ground. #dnd-discussion message

[worn lagoon]

if you don't turn him into an ape i think he'll be ok

[severe rampart]

I put a note a little later after that

[severe rampart]

if he walks on lava with his full clad armor I feel like he'll be deep fried

[small relic]

id love to try playing cthulhu and stuff cause ive watched so much cthulhu content but... i dont think im ever going to find people to play with idk

[worn lagoon]

I don't know why he's armored when his dex is high enough to give him the same ac while naked

[severe rampart]

because it's badass

[worn lagoon]

true...

[severe rampart]

I'm definitely the squishiest of the group with 59 HP and 13 AC

[feral fulcrum]

Laughs in having spent like two year at around 11 AC becauze Wizard

Didn't stop me from getting in melee and litteraly biting people though.

[valid geyser]

I’ve been taking the tough feat a lot when building characters. I’m used too a bunch of HP

[worn lagoon]

never had a spellcaster under 16ac

[severe rampart]

Honestly amazing, I'm just not a frontliner

[valid geyser]

DM wanted me to make some level 4 semi-npcs with player rules. I had to reroll ones hp because no way a level 4 with +4 con and tough should have 56 HP

[severe rampart]

I don't know how to play a paladin yet, I just poke enemies and cast divine smite

[worn lagoon]

thou must play bladesinger sorcahexadin

[valid geyser]

Also I’m playing a level 6 rogue with 61. The NPCs are my rogue’s adult children so I assume being really tough is a familial trait

[worn lagoon]

being lv13 with only lv3 spells is worth it trust (no)

[valid geyser]

I could just play an eldritch knight for that

[worn lagoon]

yeah.

[severe rampart]

I'm just gonna play an Echo Knight fighter next (after the sorcerer)

[small relic]

first campaign i played swash buckler rogue... such a broken class

got a little boring tbh, its just too good

[worn lagoon]

oh wow it's really just eldritch knight with lv5 spell slots, shadowblade, bladesinging, metamagic etc. instead of action surge and triple attack

[severe rampart]

totally not because of the name

[worn lagoon]

homebrewing you a bat race so you can be sonar

[fossil hollow]

wheres moist critikal

[worn lagoon]

it doesn't seem all that bad anymore ngl

[severe rampart]

If you homebrew that thing for me, I will meet one of them and use a changeling

[worn lagoon]

true..

[severe rampart]

mm... Changeling Echo Knight... Changeling Druid... Changeling everything!

[worn lagoon]

all fun and games until i start abusing planar binding

[long thicket]

Can Changeling Rogue change his parents into existence?

[severe rampart]

That is just, exactly my Changeling Rogue's backstory

[worn lagoon]

another orphan to add to the pile

[severe rampart]

They got adopted, family died, now they're using the face of their dead "brother".

[worn lagoon]

daring today aren't we

[severe rampart]

oh you little

[worn lagoon]

reminds me, we gotta do our late session 0 soon

[severe rampart]

it's 5 days

oh god I haven't written anything

[worn lagoon]

🫵 go brainstorm

[severe rampart]

I'm gonna write an entire novel for you

[wanton sorrel]

you'll do fine

[severe rampart]

Oh I will

[wanton sorrel]

i wonder if it has 26 chapters?

[severe rampart]

Oh you'll see

[wanton sorrel]

me excited

[signal basalt]

What’s a great first time campaign to run with all new players me included (im dm)

[sand cargo]

Hey gang not sure if im in a right channel but was wondeirng if i could draw someones characters trying to improve my portfolio a bit

[severe rampart]

#dnd-advertisements

[severe rampart]

Dragons of Stormwreck Isle imo

[sand cargo]

i taugh its for like commissions

[severe rampart]

Yeah advertisements is for paid, though do you mean for free? if so I'm taking you up on that offer lol

[sand cargo]

yee its for free i just wanna improve my portfolio

[severe rampart]

Ah alright, then let's move to DMs to not anger the mods!

[sand cargo]

alr

[signal basalt]

im watching a video on it only thing is the premade character sheets are they needed for the story or can my players just make there own

[severe rampart]

they can use their own!

you are the DM after all, and it's up to you, not me

[thorn zodiac]

Yo

[tiny hedge]

Hello

[meager fractal]

hi

[bronze surge]

I have a question, is it reasonable as a player to not want to be the only female in a party and to ask what the gender balance is when playing with a new party?

[worn lagoon]

it's unusual but not taboo, you're free to ask that, i think

[stray atlas]

so bit of a random question

does the deck of many things have ties to any devil, god, or magical being?

[fossil hollow]

It has many connections to powerful extraplanar

The Book of Many Things describes the history and individuals associated with the deck

[stray atlas]

I was unaware there was a book, I've just heard about the deck a bunch in passing

thanks

to give a little context, I've had an idea for a wild magic sorcerer who has ties to the thing that created the deck of many things for a while

[marble quarry]

Yeah that seems reasonable tbh wanting to feel comfortable at the table isn’t weird right?

[umbral girder]

It was made by a Goddess of Fate but kinda does its own thing

There are notably tons of copies in the multiverse, because it’s a legendary item and not an Artifact

But there is supposedly one that does exist (just not in 5e) as the True Deck of Many Things

[harsh hollow]

The Book of Many Things even has a bigger deck with even more cards, if memory serves.

[fossil hollow]

65ish card total with the normal deck

[severe rampart]

65? ah damn it! now I gotta rebrew my homebrew

[harsh hollow]

I forgot the Book of Many Things is kind of annoying with it's new magic items, spread out over the chapters instead of all in one table.

[fossil hollow]

Oh, theres 66 total

[severe rampart]

... is there another one

[fossil hollow]

with 67 (shut up) being the start of the reroll for the d100

[severe rampart]

HAH!

[harsh hollow]

The Deck of Many More Things is the bigger version.

[fossil hollow]

... yes? The BoMT also gives alternative effects for certain cards

technically speaking, you can have a deck with any combination of cards

[severe rampart]

nope, meant was there another card to make the leap from 66 to 67

[fossil hollow]

i know i shuffle and draw a 22 card deck every campaign

[fossil hollow]

well, it goes 1-66, with one number for a card. 67-00 is just roll again

[severe rampart]

gotta homebrew my deck now so it has a 45:21 good to bad card ratio now rather than 15:7

which I guess is just the same thing really

[fossil hollow]

i dunno the ratio of good to bad cards for the DoMMTs

[severe rampart]

Don't need it, what I do need is 44 more greek gods and 14 more greek heroes

[fossil hollow]

should be easy. Although i think for the heroes, you might wanna start looking more into Poseidon's kids. His black book is insane

[severe rampart]

FINEE I guess I'll try Polyphemus

[rough basalt]

I look forward to the day I get to draw from the deck

[fossil hollow]

... 600 men...

[severe rampart]

... 600 deaths under my command.

[fossil hollow]

:D

[crimson gulch]

Deck of many things is so great

[fossil hollow]

speak of the devil. At this point Urizt i think you gotta make your own Card with how much you use it

[severe rampart]

what's the best thing your PCs have gotten from it?

[fossil hollow]

The DM card

[severe rampart]

Something that isn't just a milkshake and a brain aneurism

[crimson gulch]

Instant irreversible death

[severe rampart]

... that's the best?

[crimson gulch]

Yep, allways makes for an unforgettable moment

[severe rampart]

then you'll say "Yeah, because it was instant, unlike the others."

[fossil hollow]

believe me, its a mercy

[severe rampart]

why did they draw from it?

[fossil hollow]

why not

Its the Deck. What else is there to do

Hikari meme music

[livid slate]

Ok what exactly is willing? Like is impulsivity a way to be willing?

[woven flint]

GAMBLING

[livid slate]

Let me give context,
Theoretically if I genie domain warlock and rage baiting the enemy into fighting me can I drag him into the domain cause he's "willing"

[crimson gulch]

Void, donjon

[fossil hollow]

that would be up to the DM

[severe rampart]

Turn up the volume! because this is a funeral for the living!

[livid slate]

(I find it funny to domain expansion ;-; then you cloud of daggers or magic missles or smth)

[woven flint]

Just because they're willing to fight you doesn't mean they're willing to go into your lamp

[severe rampart]

is that a JJK reference

[livid slate]

I mean willing to join me in a 1v1 therefore willing to enter? (Stretching a bit)

[livid slate]

It might or might not be...

[harsh hollow]

Again, willingness to fight you isn't williness to fight you anywhere.

[woven flint]

That's an incredible stretch

[glass granite]

DM’s discretion, but I’d rule towards unwilling

[severe rampart]

Okay, that's just Rokujushi Miyo's domain

[livid slate]

So id have to convince them to join me in a 1v1 in the domain :/

[harsh hollow]

If someone wants a fistfight in the parking lot that's chill but I'm not going to a confined metaphysical secondary location.

[woven flint]

Will you fistfight me in a parking lot? ♥ /joking

[harsh hollow]

x3

[minor cargo]

Speak for yourself. That sounds dope.

But yeah, to the original question, I think this is easiestly done by asking "Is your character willing?" That should be a clear answer.

[severe rampart]

Why of course I will, since you asked so nicely

[harsh hollow]

You do have to bare in mind that even a low level PC is usually still noticeably better than a random guy. I don't think some stiff at the bar is going to want to tangle with weird magic.

[woven flint]

My Warforged Forge Druid when he Smacks the human outta you

[silk hare]

maybe :3

[livid slate]

That'd be funny af :3 imagine dragging someone into a domain and genuinely rocking them ( or maybe if you wanna be usefull drag the enemy away from a village or smth...)

[glass granite]

Now ain’t that a tempting offer

[woven flint]

You guys all seem to want to fight me in a parking lot

I feel loved

[silk hare]

I love how 3 seperate people now wanna fight u in a parking lot tokii

[fiery nimbus]

Welp, DM makes me pass DC19 Arcana check each time i try to cast my favorite spell
i think its a subtle way of telling me to not cast it

[harsh hollow]

Time for the Waffle House Parking Lot Tournament. :3

[woven flint]

I'll take you all on!
RAGHHH

[silk hare]

lets goooo

only melee classes allowed

No spike growths, no webs and ESPECIALLY no fireballs

[severe rampart]

"Maybe I'd like that"
-Bard

[harsh hollow]

I don't know if that's subtle. What spell is it? x3

[silk hare]

I want a clean, fair fight xD

[woven flint]

Jokes on you.

I'M A BARBARIAN!!!!

[silk hare]

<rages>

[fiery nimbus]

Summon Greater Demon

[harsh hollow]

Ahh, that'll do it.

[severe rampart]

Summon it

[fiery nimbus]

I did

[harsh hollow]

But is it because your DM doesn't want to deal with summons or doesn't want to deal with demons? Equal chance of both.

[severe rampart]

Free XP amirite? hehe

[fiery nimbus]

Dm described how the entire world seems to "take notice" of the Demon

also he said i screwed up a big time

So... i think he is subtly telling me something

[harsh hollow]

Speaking of summons, I wonder if they're going to overhaul shepard considering they seem to like emanations more now.

[fossil hollow]

Telling you you screwed up big time is anything but subtle

[silk hare]

I mena imo the spell has enough limitations already, yeah its free xp, but theres a good chance of it breaking free

[fiery nimbus]

So... Summon more Demons?

[fossil hollow]

lmao

[fiery nimbus]

or is he telling me to switch over to summoning Devils?

[severe rampart]

Yes

[lavish flame]

yeah, you've already screwed up big time. you can't screw up big time twice

[harsh hollow]

Summon both, to cover the bases.

[woven flint]

I can't wait to play more of Artanza tonight, my silly old man Tortle Knowledge Cleric

[severe rampart]

Actually, summon Baphomet too

[fiery nimbus]

can't summon anything higher than CR6 for now

[woven flint]

You had me at Summon Baphomet

[harsh hollow]

Invite everyone from all of the hells.

[silk hare]

I mean technically it could escape your control every 6 seconds

[fiery nimbus]

oh yea i know, but i have a brilliant strategy to counteract it

[fossil hollow]

I see you on the brink of death

[silk hare]

being?

[silk hare]

I see you drawwwwww your final breathhh

[severe rampart]

Oh yeah... the great baphomet... 😊 . . . BECAUSE HE'S MY ENEMY!

[fiery nimbus]

You see each time a Demon get out of my control, i end the spell and summon another Demon to fight the previous one

[severe rampart]

That is... GENIUS

[fiery nimbus]

Flawless

[silk hare]

what happens when u run out of spell slots?

[harsh hollow]

This can only go well.

[severe rampart]

There's this neat spell called invisibility...

[fiery nimbus]

Than its our party Paladins problem

[silk hare]

• now u have two demons to deal with

[harsh hollow]

With the right team setup you could be making the Paladin's day here though.

[severe rampart]

Summon a devil to deal with the demons

[silk hare]

ah I see xD

[fiery nimbus]

Actually make it 3, i have Rod of Pactkeeper

[silk hare]

mhh warlock then, gotcha

[harsh hollow]

Are you sure you aren't the BBEG and the perspective just hasn't switched yet?

[silk hare]

I mean one way or another, youll have to deal with a demon thats running lose, or even 2

I dont really get why the spell gets even more limited by your dm, its okay, but not THAT big of a deal

[fiery nimbus]

nah, too weak

[fiery nimbus]

Apparently its because we are on a good aligned plane

[harsh hollow]

Planes made of alignment were always a strange concept to me.

[silk hare]

I mean its a valid concept in certain settings

basically different "afterlives" if you want e.g.

[harsh hollow]

I guess it's more wrapping my head around the idea of like.

[halcyon forum]

talk about burying the lede

[harsh hollow]

"Everyone here thinks like that. Everyone, comprehensively."

[silk hare]

I mean thats not what it means

its more a "only those with the rough outline of core principles and behaviour even get to come here"

[fiery nimbus]

well if my DM really wants i can always switch over to using Devils if he doesn't like Demons
though Infernal Calling has even more holes than Summon Greater Demon

[silk hare]

like, cool, you like to kill people for sport or would even consider to do that? fine you are now not on this plane

[halcyon forum]

maybe dont summon demons in heaven?

or do, I'm not your boss

[fiery nimbus]

its in Brux

[silk hare]

but what about the redemption arcccc

[fiery nimbus]

it's not heaven, its beastlands

[halcyon forum]

well the beastlands are a kind of heaven

[silk hare]

what are the beastlands from?

[fiery nimbus]

Welp, if i will feel like its to hard to play this character due to this restriction i will just ask DM to kill it off of use it as they please while i make a new one

[fossil hollow]

theyre an outer plane of existense

[fiery nimbus]

DnD original

well "original"

[harsh hollow]

Can they do nothing but summon demons? Surely there's another approach.

[halcyon forum]

are you there for a long time?

[silk hare]

gotcha

[halcyon forum]

or just visiting?

[fiery nimbus]

long time, hook says we are just visiting but I do not believe we are going to leave this plane

[halcyon forum]

ah okay yeah then its a problem

especially if your character was built around the spell

[fiery nimbus]

They are made for that

I summon a Demon and have multiple ways to stall out the fight

[harsh hollow]

I wonder why your DM even let you use something like that in the first place if it was so built around a place it would be hampered.

[fiery nimbus]

i even lowered my Charisma to increase the chance of them breaking out of control

[harsh hollow]

Did they tell you this beforehand?

[fiery nimbus]

Well not the DC19 thing but they might have mentioned something about good aligned plane

[harsh hollow]

I feel like to a degree that is on you, but also I think instead of the high DC the DM should just tell you no if they don't want you to do this.

[fiery nimbus]

I feel like they hoped for me to use it and than latch on to that with the story

and they did, they did latch onto that part so i will first see where that goes

[halcyon forum]

feels like mismatched expectations

[fiery nimbus]

Oh well, worst case scenario i will just kill this character off
i dumped Dex on it
won't be hard to kill it

[harsh hollow]

I think talking to the players is a better approach than making impassible walls and hoping they get the point.

[fiery nimbus]

Played with this Dm for over 4 years, they have my trust and my axe

they also didn't let me summon Demodragon from Stranger Things with my Summon Greater Demon, it is kind of sad i know

[woven flint]

D&D's Demogorgon is way cooler than that little rat

[fossil hollow]

I dunno... i think Aameul is a lot cooler specifically

[fiery nimbus]

I don't know, i just want to summon Demons

[fossil hollow]

Hethradiah kinda sucks

[fiery nimbus]

Im here for a good time not for a long time

[valid geyser]

Is it bad if I’m annoyed at another of my PCs for being too thorough? Like I remember last session there were times when everyone had come to a conclusion but the one guy had to triple and quadruple check, and at a point where the dm said we’d wrap up in 30 minutes, spent like 10 of that trying to identify a magic item because he felt the single effect it had couldn’t be all of it
Like I know the guy kind of doesn’t really understand socially when to stop talking but it’s harder to get them to finish up during session time when the rest of us are ready to move scene

[fossil hollow]

yeah, not a fan of other players who are too cautious

[harsh hollow]

Having some caution isn't bad but there's a limit.

[fossil hollow]

as a martial main, i just sit there and just see them try their hardest to avoid everything thats bad. Its to the point where i just do the reckless thing to move it forward

[fiery nimbus]

It's great so long other players specifically do not listen to you

[valid geyser]

Also I remember personally being a little annoyed since this session was supposed to be one where I had some spotlight (which I haven’t got much of) and we never got to that part partially because of a lot of side things we do

[fiery nimbus]

You need one planner at the table, and you need one "we ballin" player as a foil to them

[harsh hollow]

This can happen but is rarely intentional, sometimes the DM just gets sidetracked. I'd talk to them about it.

[worn lagoon]

it's giving "i, garland, will knock you all down!"

[valid geyser]

Weirdly they can be both. During the same session they just ran into something while we were discussing what to do with a seemingly empty boat we found, got into trouble
They also said like 5 minutes later “I would have told you I was going in before I did” when during session they did very much not

But I really am not gonna hold it against the guy, I just wasn’t sure how to politely tell them to wrap up what they were doing

[fiery nimbus]

I do have a mantra of "trust but verify" i do know DM won't try to push me off the cliff, but i still have feather fall spell on me
But yea if planning phase is going for too long you need someone to Leroy Jenkins into the room

[stray atlas]

random question, what happens if a vampire tries to turn a werewolf?

[fiery nimbus]

Nothing, werewolf is not a humanoid

[stray atlas]

lemme clarify, a werewolf that is not presently transformed

[fiery nimbus]

still doesn't matter, they are still Monstrosity

[valid geyser]

i guess off table too. During our break I was quickly writing an important email at the table (just me and him there) and he was kinda nonstop talking about something d&d related but thats an issue of my needing to build the courage to say "I'm kind of busy at the moment could i please focus?"

[fiery nimbus]

A Humanoid reduced to 0 Hit Points by this damage and then buried rises the following sunset as a Vampire Spawn under the vampire’s control.

[fossil hollow]

in both 2014 and 2024, All werecreatures were Monstrosities regardless if they were in humanoid form or not

[fiery nimbus]

Monstrosity can't be turned
Undead can't be infected with Lycanthropy

bonus point, both are immune to the Mindflayer brain eating

[harsh hollow]

Now I'm just reminded of the Werepyres from AdventureQuest.

[fiery nimbus]

Werepyres? so they are ash now?

[harsh hollow]

Nah, they're a bigger monsterous combination of both. Huge with fur and bat wings but a wolf's head.

[fiery nimbus]

it's a pun
Werepyres
Were Pyres

[worn lagoon]

there were dracowerepyres in the oldest game

[harsh hollow]

Ahh, whoops. Went over my head. x3

[fossil hollow]

warehouses?

[harsh hollow]

God, I forgot about that. Madness.

[fossil hollow]

why is Malzeno here

[fiery nimbus]

So you see a Gazebo

[fossil hollow]

i attack the gazebo

[native junco]

The gazebo curses u as it dies

[fossil hollow]

i curse the gazebo back

[fiery nimbus]

There is now a gazebo with an arrow sticking out of it.

[fossil hollow]

casting fireball

[woven flint]

I, Tokii, will slime you all out!!!

[fiery nimbus]

Good'ol relayable

[valid geyser]

in the past i was harsh on circle of the sea but the druid who was accidentally subclassless until lv 6 picked it up, and by god its good to have someone cast lightning bolt
The sorcerer and warlock are seemingly not using elemental damage spells (or at least the warlock prefers using shatter to minimize friendly fire) so we've been lacking in fireball based damage
we are just a generally low damage party, since I'm the only martial

usually my complaint about sea is that it makes you too close for comfort but in this scenario id prefer to have someone in melee with me besides the sorcerer for some reason

[remote wadi]

Is there any benefits to Lightning Bolt over Fireball? I feel like enemies being grouped together are far more likely than being lined up

[valid geyser]

fireball is a pretty big radius

[glass granite]

Less resisted damage type, else nah not really. Apart from being cool as heck

At least I think fire is more resisted

[valid geyser]

a lot of scenarios ive been in, fireball can grab most people in the fight for better or worse

[glass granite]

Yeah, having a smaller AOE can help prevent friendly fire

[fossil hollow]

yeah, circles tend to trump lines except in hallways

[glass granite]

Fireball is generally considered the better spell, yeah. But I take whichever is more fitting for my character usually

[valid geyser]

the scenario with lightning bolt, the druid was in a really good space to hit both a mummy lord and a skeleton for the kill, just asking me (whose turn was right before) to just move a smidge over

[harsh hollow]

I remember there being a lot of negativity about circle of the sea but don't quite remember what the issue was.

[valid geyser]

in that scenario just something like a scorching ray wouldve done the fire vulnerable mummy over

[harsh hollow]

The subclass was based around pushing, right?

[fossil hollow]

pushing, proning, cc in general

[potent vector]

Lightning not having any utility is a big missed opportunity to me. Fireball at least set stuff on fire, Lightning Bolt has less damage on average and no side effects 😭

[valid geyser]

pretty much, all but your swim speed is only active when your wrath of the sea is up, but you gotta be 5 feet (10 ft at level 6) to your enemy to even activate the attack. And while the damage is really good early on, wis bonus d6 is just gonna get less and less useful

[glass granite]

Isn’t it the same as fireball for damage?

[harsh hollow]

The idea of using water to push someone into a coral reef Spike Growth is so cool. :O

[glass granite]

Both are 8d6 no?

Also
“The lightning ignites flammable objects in the area that aren't being worn or carried.”

[valid geyser]

also oceanic gift just isnt that amazing. You gotta give it to a melee character who doesnt already have a thing to spend their bonus action on, otherwise its just a fly spell mixed with some resistances

[glass granite]

In 2014…

[fossil hollow]

i take it a line has less chance to hit more targets, thus lower DPR

[glass granite]

Cmon wizards, why’d you get rid of that?!

[potent vector]

Reread, it is the same lol

[potent vector]

Yeah, really dumb to me

[harsh hollow]

To be fair it seemed like spreading fire very rarely got remembered let alone used.

[potent vector]

I should mention, capstone for Sea druid upsets me, it should be smth you can do from the get go

[glass granite]

Tbh it’s probably for the better. Don’t gotta worry about wildfires

[valid geyser]

id prefer if seas druid just had more stuff you didnt need to spend yout wildshape to do

[potent vector]

Now it that they added a keyword for it and removed it from several things makes it even more ironic.

[keen kestrel]

Elemental adept is a heck of a feat

[glass granite]

Mhm

[woven oxide]

@digital geyser I was recommended to communicate
with you by a player you DM for.

[vernal vale]

Wrong channel sorry

[keen kestrel]

I’ve got a draconic sorcerer lined up for our next campaign, but I’m thinking of doing ice or lightning and just using transmute to change fireball to ice damage lmao

[wanton sorrel]

it's ok we all make mistakes sometimes in our lives...

[turbid vessel]

not me lol

someone has to be gods favorite princess

[fossil hollow]

and im sure as hell that aint you /j

[turbid vessel]

sobbing and crying into my pink sequin pillow

[keen kestrel]

Wow, how could you

[potent vector]

Well we know why it ain't you now /j

[fossil hollow]

i think thats a different type of prince-

[keen kestrel]

I’m just a passenger princess here, along for the ride

[glass granite]

Hi just a passenger princess here, I’m Nugget

[potent vector]

Y'all, rq, what feature do you think is bad for a class's balancing?

Like, if any

[fossil hollow]

what

[keen kestrel]

Hello nugget, just glad to be here

[remote wadi]

A little curious about something

Why was Ranger a half spellcaster, but not given extra prepared spells with the spell casting modifier?

[harsh hollow]

Because Ranger has to have blatant issues or everything falls into chaos.

[potent vector]

Like if there are any unhealthy portions of Character classes that they would be easier to balance without

(In* your opinions)

[harsh hollow]

I'm still not over the time I tried to look up why they wouldn't just remove concentration from Hunter's Mark to make it a little better and the counter argument was that if they did this Ranger would somehow become a 2014 Hexblade level dip.

[potent vector]

If it was through a Ranger class feature, that argument falls apart

[fiery nimbus]

I still think ranger should be a pet class

[harsh hollow]

The thing is that concentration-free Hunter's Mark still wouldn't be that good because it doesn't scale, but it'd be better than nothing.

[potent vector]

Like instead of the rly late "can't lose concentration on HM", it becomes non concentration, no one is going to that level of multiclassing just for it.

[harsh hollow]

(Frankly I think it should scale too but that's another argument.)

[potent vector]

And yet they gave DRUID THE PET FEATURE

[fiery nimbus]

Ranger doesn't have a real identity, rework to make them a beast master class would be great,

[harsh hollow]

I just think it's a little weird how they've given Artificer more love and clarity of purpose than Ranger so far.

[blissful ibex]

And I'm very happy with it

[harsh hollow]

I love Artificer, don't get me wrong, but in my mind it's always going to be more of a DLC class if that makes sense. The base ones should be focused on first.

[potent vector]

I was talking Abt this the other day, not gonna reignite myself, but I was saying that Ranger deserves a viable Niche

[blissful ibex]

ranger should be a martial druid subclass; strip the hunters mark stuff and just give extra attack and cool exploration/mobility features c:

[fiery nimbus]

Ranger is homeless in terms of identity

[olive wind]

Why is ranger even a thing low-key, it's just fighter but nature-ey. It has kind of a lack of identity.

[fiery nimbus]

Each time I suggest the beast master identity in getting buried

[potent vector]

It's at its core imo a Hunter. Not a Nature lover, a Hunter, a part of that side of nature and not trying to just coexist with it like Druid.

[harsh hollow]

A fighter with a bow is more of a ranger than a ranger a lot of the time.

[jovial shadow]

what does scale mean to you? Your concentration lasts longer depending the spell slots used

[olive wind]

Still a fun class, I like the little Fae swarm and whatnot you can do with it.

[jovial shadow]

What is a skull?

[potent vector]

Scale in terms of damage, duration doesn't matter for it like it does Hex

[harsh hollow]

Well no, I meant like it shouldn't need concentration and also it should go up in damage with spell slots. Even all that help won't make it great but it will make it noticable.

[jovial shadow]

I don't understand the Skull emoji

[blissful ibex]

re-read the post you replied to

[potent vector]

"I'm dead", finding smth humorous in nature

[olive wind]

It means "I'm dead" or "this is so funny, I'm dead."

[valid geyser]

yeah phb24 ranger's chassis mostly annoys me because it just does not get enough unique, fun features that really give it a unique thing
like, paladins and artificers both get a pretty game changing level 6 feature, while rangers get, 10 extra move speed? i could just take the speedy feat and get most of the important stuff for that

[potent vector]

(I don't mean it rudely usually, btw, I hope you don't take it that way)

[fiery nimbus]

Each subclass could have a thematic pet with customizable features

[olive wind]

That would be really neat, but also kind of gimmicky. I think they need to re-establish an identity with Rangers.

[harsh hollow]

It's in a weird spot because I actually love the better movement speed, climbing/swim speed stuff rangers get. I just wish their damage could keep up.

[potent vector]

I don't hate this idea, but don't see it as a class defining feature. I would agree it could be a great minor iconic feature

[fiery nimbus]

I imagine them as a martial version of a warlock in terms of customisation with a subclass themed pet

[potent vector]

Martial Warlock is kinda Fighter. Loosely

[valid geyser]

i think damage is, okay. I don't love that its main unique thing in combat is just an extra d6 from a spell, and usually like one extra d4 from their subclass but I guess its something at least

[fiery nimbus]

Fighter is rigid

[blissful ibex]

martial warlock is also warlock
bladelock exists

[valid geyser]

i think id prefer if ranger level 6 gave them like, difficult terrain immunity or something like that

[olive wind]

This may be a wild take but I think rangers shouldn't be spellcasters.

[harsh hollow]

I do enjoy how you can bladelock and do other things regardless of subclass with how blade pact works now.

[tawdry dune]

Greetings.

[potent vector]

No . . . ? Two extra feats and the new emphasis on Weapon Masteries make you decently customizable

[valid geyser]

thats not a crazy hot take. People have pondered that, since really their class flavor isnt that neccessary to be tied to casting spells

[harsh hollow]

Even if it's caused them to have an identity crisis trying to put the Hexblade subclass back in.

[blissful ibex]

then they'd basically be rogue

[olive wind]

If we think of a ranger, the first original inspiration that comes to mind is something like Legolas from LOTR. I think making the class more similar to fighter with lots of combat utility but FROM FAR AWAY would be a really cool way to push the class.

[fiery nimbus]

What identity is the problem, I know pet is a gimic but a class needs one of those, if you spend enough power budget on a per it can be awesome tool

[valid geyser]

aragorn*

[harsh hollow]

I want them to reprint Eldritch Adept already because RAW Paladins and Bards can use it to great effect in 2024.

[potent vector]

I need to know more Abt Aragorn because I hear so much when this comes up

[valid geyser]

the ranger is explicitly aragorn. He's the survivalist, he knows medicinal herbs, he can track people
legolas just got a bow. He's a fighter

[tawdry dune]

In e3 dnd rangers have spells iirc

[fiery nimbus]

But like what identity is even aragorn? He is a swordsman with nature and herbalist kit proficiency

[blissful ibex]

they really don't like giving good scaling pet options though
pact of the chain for example falls off hard, even if you take all the supporting invocations

[tawdry dune]

Idk about other editions, i haven't played e5 in years

[potent vector]

Elves in that world are Flat Earthers right? Oversimplified ik. What other skills does he have? Or is simply martial survivalist well and true?

[remote wadi]

Well... at least I got my answer. Not a good one, but an answer

[blissful ibex]

They need to add eldritch adept and fighting initiate as origin feats

[harsh hollow]

It's still really funny to me that biologically they just ignore the curvature of the planet.

[valid geyser]

I think the concept of a wilderness explorer and nature expert is a class identity that could probably fit as its own class, i think just when it comes to "what does it do when fighting stuff thats different from a fighter or rogue" the question becomes a little divided

[fiery nimbus]

It falls of because it's based on low cr statblock that doesn't scale, make a fully customizable statblock like summon beast but with like 9 features 3 per level milestone

[potent vector]

As an outsider to the lore, extremely.

[fiery nimbus]

Thematic features unique to a subclass would mold your pet

[harsh hollow]

Like it definitely is still curved, they can just choose not to care and that's why they can see so much further than everyone.

[olive wind]

I'd say play into the fact that there's no characteristic ranged non-magical class, and maybe give the ranger some utility from far away.

[valid geyser]

i mean the thing is that the familiar was never a combat pet. it's a utility tool

[valid geyser]

ok but ranger is not the ranged weapon user class. Fighters and rogues can do that good too

[potent vector]

Even outside of combat, it needs mechanics that aren't skill checks because them Rogue and even 2024e Fighter with Tactical Mind are better than them at it

[harsh hollow]

Fighter has Arcane Archer but you get so few shots it's basically never taken.

[blissful ibex]

but they have an entire invocation line built around making it a combat pet and it fails miserably at it

[potent vector]

And I haven't seen enough ideas for things like that when I ask Abt them . . .

[harsh hollow]

Artificer has Artillerist but I'm a little surprised that the only non-magic gunslingers we have are 3rd party.

[fiery nimbus]

For example a pet with unique features...

[valid geyser]

investment of the chain master could probably serve to give it more utility function, like increasing the range which you can see through its eyes

[olive wind]

Point aside can we please make artificer alchemist good it's such a cool class idea

[harsh hollow]

The one that released recently has some weird design choices too. You get new guns to use but they're explicetly designed to be nerfed by the class if you use them.

But if you just use a crossbow it's stronger than using the new guns. It gets a boost at the class level the new guns stop being nerfed.

[valid geyser]

i dont think we need a gun class/subclass. Guns can just be a type of weapon

[potent vector]

I could be tempted to add this to my homebrew, wanna talk Abt it in #homebrew ?

[valid geyser]

there isnt a sword master subclass

[potent vector]

New one isn't that bad.

[blissful ibex]

and that's on top of them axing barding q_q

[remote wadi]

Okay, so i get their point about Ranger being versatile enough to do a little bit of everything

But is it normal to feel like this results in doing everything a little poorly?

[harsh hollow]

A dedicated archer would become a gun class by proxy because of this, though.

[olive wind]

Still worse than the other ones by a considerable amount

[valid geyser]

maybe a gunslinging fighting style or something? like archery already exists but its kind of a misnomer if youre using guns with it

[valid geyser]

i dont think we need a dedicated archer class either

[potent vector]

Have you looked at the 3rd party Exploring Ebberron book? Artificers get variant capstones and theirs is two busted potions that give you either multiple potion effects or a ton of healing

[potent vector]

There is a Gun slinger class in Pf2e

[harsh hollow]

I don't see the harm in specialization classes for martials, they seem to have run out of ideas for making them better in other ways.

[olive wind]

I'll take a look, thanks for the ref

[valid geyser]

i just think I like the versatility of fighters being a class than can do equally well in melee and ranged combat

[olive wind]

Fighters are just so versatile ATM

[valid geyser]

which is a good thing

fighters being able to spec into both ranged and melee combat (not even both really, just one or the other) is not an issue

[harsh hollow]

They're still missing something though, every time new content releases people want to be the new bard or the new warlock. The fighter in the new Faerun book especially went over like a lead balloon.

[potent vector]

Smth they rly don't want to alienate with specialized subclasses, which I don't agree with just because we have unconventional subclasses like Blade singer and Swashbuckler that turn classes on their head already

[olive wind]

I'd say arguably the biggest issue with ranger is that apart from flavour reasons there's no reason to pick it over fighter or druid

[valid geyser]

im fine with there being subclasses that are better suited to melee or ranged

[potent vector]

Yeah, a first level spell anyone can get easily being your gimmick will do that . . .

(srry, done being pessimistic)

[valid geyser]

that seems like an unrelated issue. PDK sucking as a subclass is kind of a constant

[harsh hollow]

Like I'm sorry but stacking every subclass feature on Hunter's Mark is terrible design but they won't let it go.

[olive wind]

Poor rangers, always getting the short end of the stick

[keen kestrel]

Tbf, almost everything feels meh in comparison to battle master

[harsh hollow]

There was a brief period where people seemed to think the UA of the Frost Walker was overpowered but I can't imagine why, it's not that different from release.

[potent vector]

I mean, Winter Walker did it okay, but it definitely gets grating when they leave it to subclasses to fix a core class issue

[valid geyser]

Id say disagree. Like I agree battlemaster stuff probably wouldve been cool to be base class stuff, but I think mechanics wise most subs can justify their existence

[valid geyser]

i always thought that sub seemed pretty bad

[potent vector]

I think it's because it's the only one that seemingly made HM integration actually somewhat well integrated. People weren't used to synergy.

[valid geyser]

like, when have you fought a monster that wasnt a CR 1/2 goblin use the disengage action?

[fresh pawn]

Question do rouges have to use bonas action to attack with both daggers

[harsh hollow]

Even then it's not that good at it, is the thing. The bar is in hell(s).

[keen kestrel]

You can justify them, but they are arguably weaker than a battle master

[potent vector]

Same, I think most Fighters subs hold their ground

[worn lagoon]

I always considered eldritch knight to be king

[valid geyser]

no, not really.
like, battlemaster is fun, but its not the strongest fighter subclass

[worn lagoon]

Stuff like shield, mirror image etc. on a fighter are cool

[harsh hollow]

The bard subclass in Exploring Eberron feels like it's more what PDK wanted to be. It feels like it could have been a martial easily.

[keen kestrel]

I mean, from an optimization stand point probably not, but battle masters can do almost every pillar of play very well if they want

[valid geyser]

can they? 4 times a short rest, get a d8 to some skill checks? that's just a bard

and like, every fighter has tactical mind now

[potent vector]

2014 Purple Dragon, if you steal the 2024 7th level feature, is unironically stronger because it's not MAD and it scales better on the 2024 chassis 😭

[fresh pawn]

Does the rouge use bonas action to attack with both daggers

[keen kestrel]

That’s also on a frontline character who has more hp, better ac and a good way to break concentration

[potent vector]

No, just one, and if player has Nick Mastery it doesn't spend the BA.

[valid geyser]

i mean yeah but my point was just because you can spend resources to get a die bonus to d20 tests doesnt make you OP

[harsh hollow]

That's a lot of qualifiers though, and technically you're not supposed to use the 2014 subclasses on the 2024 chassis if it's been reprinted. :P

[fresh pawn]

@potent vector thx

[tawny pecan]

Is wild mage still a 2024 subclass?

[keen kestrel]

I meant relative to other subclasses, they’re all cool but some are much more meh in comparison to battle master

[potent vector]

Yeah, I used it until it got reprinted, which annoys me more because the older one is better at low level

[harsh hollow]

Sorcerer or Bard?

[tawny pecan]

Sorcerer

[harsh hollow]

And by bard I mean Barbarian, whoops.

[tawny pecan]

Didn’t even know bard was on the table

[valid geyser]

also you only get three maneuvers at the start, if youre taking the skill maneuvers you lose out on the very strong combat maneuvers so theres a give and take

[keen kestrel]

Every fighter subclass is still an extension of fighter, so they’re all gonna be at least good

[harsh hollow]

Arguably Spirits is a Wild Magic Bard but yeah, I meant Barbarian.

[jovial shadow]

Light properties.

[keen kestrel]

Just kind of wish the battle master got rolled into the base class instead

[valid geyser]

also just as a subclass battlemaster doesnt really get new features besides upgrades to what it already has.
Champion gets like, infinite heroic inspiration while battle master just gets a higher die on its thing

[harsh hollow]

Speaking of that, the 2024 Human has a nice Inspiration loop with the new Carouser background and Musician.

[fresh pawn]

@jovial shadow thx

[keen kestrel]

Sadly you can’t stack it, but it is a reroll every turn which is much better than 2014 champion

[harsh hollow]

If your team works together right you get a lot of inspiration.

[valid geyser]

well yeah but one every single turn is gonna be good

[keen kestrel]

For sure, I just want bm to roll into the main class instead

It would make more sense

[harsh hollow]

Oh yeah no, not arguing that. It just reminded me.

[valid geyser]

and another point against bm is that your maneuvers list is the same for all 20 levels
normally, at level 3 youd pick the best ones and when you level up you just get to choose the stuff you already passed over (arcane archer has the same problem to a worse extent)

[valid geyser]

i was more responding to aether anyway, but youre fine

[harsh hollow]

Because Carouser gives you Tireless Reveller which causes you to get inspiration if you see someone use it but you don't have it. If you have Musician you can give it to your teammates to use, which will cause you to see it.

[valid geyser]

i do wanna restate I like BM, it's very fun. I just dont think it invalidates other fighter subs by existing

[keen kestrel]

A point in favor is that you get a guaranteed roll every turn at level 15 of one of your manuveurs

[keen kestrel]

I’d say the opposite, I kind of wish it almost didn’t exist and they’d buff the other subclasses instead

[potent vector]

The option to take BM options with Fighting Style is still viable btw, no?

So you can have a little BM on every Fighter

Iirc when I used the 2024 builder it let me at least.

[keen kestrel]

You can yeah, feels meh to take a whole feat for it though

[potent vector]

You can get it with your Fighting Style at 2

[keen kestrel]

I think what makes bm really good is the versatility, which you can’t really do with 1-2 options tops

[keen kestrel]

Eh, defense, dual wielder or one handed are still better overall I’d think

[valid geyser]

I'd say realistically, eldritch knight is probably still more versatile

at least at the higher levels

[keen kestrel]

Another gripe I have is that the weapon recall is a bonus action

Like why doesn’t it just auto return?

But you’re probably right, it’s a toss up between ek and bm for me but spellcasting is generally better

[potent vector]

Commanding Strike, Evasive Footwork, Disarming Strike, Rally, and Riposte all have their niches tbh

[jovial shadow]

Yeah with Eldritch Knigh at 18th level you can cast both a Cantrip and a Spell (1st and 2nd only) at the same time

[keen kestrel]

Seems fine (war magic is the real reason to play an ek if we’re being honest)

[bronze surge]

Why is it so hard to find campaigns on Tuesdays or Thursdays 😭

[signal basalt]

What’s a great first time campaign to run with all new players me included (im dm)

[fiery nimbus]

here before someone said
Lost Mines of Phandover (its included in starting set)

[keen kestrel]

Wild beyond the witch light is also a good one

[signal basalt]

whats one that goes far like highish levels ike around 8 or 9

[potent vector]

Wild Beyond the Torch Light is very good ye.
Second option if everyone plays into the darker themes is Strahd, but that's more dependant on if your players will enjoy the setting

[potent vector]

Oh, oh, Strahd goes up to around 12-13 ish, iirc

[fiery nimbus]

also Mines are simply easier to DM for a newbie

[potent vector]

Yeah, but giving them options is nice (I will note I agree with it tho)

[signal basalt]

i think ill check out wild beyond it gives a errie vibe and i like that

[keen kestrel]

It’s less combat heavy and encourages players to learn how to solve interactions using other means which is fun

[fiery nimbus]

nice argument, unfortunately Turn the Faithless.

[potent vector]

Lmfao, true.

[signal basalt]

i kinda want to have a bit of fights you think id be bettter with something else

[fiery nimbus]

oh they will be there

can't have DnD without em

[keen kestrel]

You can still fight, it just won’t be multiple times a session ( unless you really mess up lol)

[signal basalt]

okay actually i like that

[umbral girder]

Level 10

[fiery nimbus]

yea that **Turn the Faithless **really came to bite em

[keen kestrel]

LOL

[umbral girder]

So CoS doesn’t even make it to Tier 3

[keen kestrel]

That’s so true

[keen kestrel]

Depends, my dm wants us to go to 12-13 for our CoS

[fiery nimbus]

there was a reddit post about speedrunning CoS where they ended at level 4 or something, it was a nice read

[potent vector]

Mine went a little further, guess that was just my DM lol

[fiery nimbus]

Mine disolved at level 3...

[potent vector]

I had a rly funny way to end it but I couldn't make the last session . . .

[umbral girder]

Yeah so unless you really stretch it out CoS is a game that stops at level 10

[fiery nimbus]

I still want to choke this DM each time i think about that game

[umbral girder]

Kinda like LMoP at level 5.

[fiery nimbus]

Imagine banning healing and using critical fumble with system shock rules

[sleek cloud]

Descent into Avernus is fun

I’d crash out

[fiery nimbus]

I sure love Fighter breaking their arm in the first encounter
Paladin losing 2 AC from a Perception Roll
and Bard healing word simply fizzling out while still consuming a spell slot

[potent vector]

Holy hell, system shock needs to stay buried why did you bring that up

[fiery nimbus]

oh and quest failing because we took a long rest

[fiery nimbus]

No, people deserve to know

[potent vector]

Cease

[fiery nimbus]

Counterspell

Don't you power word me

you use this spellcasting focus to cast to your mother?

[feral fulcrum]

Because early 2014 design was hit or miss, mostly miss.

[fiery nimbus]

but yea i have burning haterate for critical fumble

[keen kestrel]

I’m so glad other people despise it

[feral fulcrum]

And as for 2024 edition, because I assume they wanted Throwing Weapon shenangins to still be limited to select subclasses. Or because they copy pasted and didn't care. Take your pick.

[keen kestrel]

The barb throwing class has their weapon auto return

[severe rampart]

you don't say... Changeling Barbarian here we go

[sleek cloud]

path of the giants i believe, not an updated subclass unfortunately

[keen kestrel]

Yeah, it’s the giant subclass from Bigbys lol

I’m sure you can run it with “updates” if you want

[potent vector]

Ykw, just for the funni, Critical Fumbles should be a subclass feature. Some kind of Misfortune Wizard. What Spell School are most Luck based spells again?

Smth to do with making people make constant mistakes lol

[fiery nimbus]

wild magic sorc

[feral fulcrum]

Yeah all you'd need to do is use baseline barbarian 2024 and drop in the subclass, it's very easy

[feral fulcrum]

I love critfails and critical hits (And Crits on skills), My DM always makes sure the Critfails are either funny, or dramatic, and don't devolve into "You lose, get shrekt."

[keen kestrel]

Even if they did update, it didn’t seem like it needed much to improve upon

[ivory ivy]

hi good question here. I got a charlatan eloquence bard/ rouge changeling. He going to level to level up and get a rouge subclass but I am unsure which one to do. He uses mage hand and magical arcana already of the trickster already with his bard ability. any suggestion of what subclass I should go for?

[jovial shadow]

I was just reviewing the AD&D original version of Strahd vs the 5e 2014 version of him. And they are interesting. The AD&D version has less hit point, higher AC and does less damage, but a single hit from him does Energy Drain, which drains 2 levels per hit. No save.

[potent vector]

Crit fails can be funny, but should never be worse in impact than you would have been with what you were trying to do

Cutting an arm off is probably more damage than you would have done in that attack you Crit failed for example (for an extreme example)

[fiery nimbus]

well first and last dm that used it on me broke our paladins armor because he crit failed a perception roll

I wish i remembered the name of this DM so i can avoid them for the rest of my life

[feral fulcrum]

I critfailed a 'subtle' Investgation check on a place, while disguised as a Horrible Chicken Thing (Chicken Owlin, that previously menaced a farm), rolled a nat 1 and it turned into a Scooby Doo chase through the place I was investigating.

[potent vector]

See, now that level of impact seems fitting. You revealed yourself when you were trying to reveal smth. Equivalent exchange

[valid geyser]

also should be noted that ad&d's damage and hit point scaling is wayy lower. An adult dragon in ad&d has like, 80 hit points? and most attacks with weapons won't be hitting above 15 damage until you involve lategame magic items

but yeah, energy drain is scarier than death to many players . At least if you die, you just get to start from scratch

[abstract jacinth]

Bigger damage numbers allows for more precise control, so long as it doesn’t go overboard

[iron herald]

Meanwhile I did nearly 300 damage in a single round a couple sessions ago. (Two crits + smite against an undead.)

[valid geyser]

which is very true. for ad&d it was a feature, not a bug. combat back then was very much swingy. At level 1 most attacks are gonna have a decent chance to just kill you, since you have anywhere from 1 to like 8 hit points and most simple attacks would be like 1d6 damage

thats also why d20s are used for attack rolls. If they decided to use 3d6 or something like that you'd be more likely to roll along an average

[jovial shadow]

hello

[worldly flare]

Hey

Good

[lusty tendon]

Quick question for those more experienced than me after how long do you guys give level ups to your players

[feral fulcrum]

My DM does Milestones and runs off of "When it feels apropriate."

[crimson gulch]

Every 2.5 sessions on average

[jovial shadow]

After every session up to 4th level then every three sessions after that.

[lusty tendon]

Ok yeah thats what i was thinking as well, thanks

[lusty tendon]

That too well id personally go for 5th

[crimson gulch]

I also really like exp tracking

[solar crow]

My campaign had our first session of the semester today it was so fun!!

[tame estuary]

1 session at 1-5, 4 sessions at 6 to 10, 2 sessions at 11 to 20

that's how you would do it if you use xp

[pseudo oriole]

My local library had a dnd program today but nobody showed up ;-;

[solar crow]

Aww

My parties barbarian, who has 5 intelligence, HAD A THOUGHT today

An actual thought

[tame estuary]

be nicer to your friends

[solar crow]

I'm not trying to be mean genuinely

I love our barbarian he's great

The dude playing him is super chill and I'm friends with him

[small relic]

the dm made me roll a d20 for ability points yall

i got a 19 in int and a 3 in wisdom

[solar crow]

This dude all campaign has been known for not really thinking things through and just acting on instinct without using much thought and planning, so when he actually thought about something it was like awesome and funny we all laughed and thought it was great, the dude playing the barbarian included

[small relic]

im a paladin... i might be cooked yall

i rolled again and got a 9 and asked the dm if i can use the 9 instead of a 3... heres hoping

[solar crow]

The only reason he was able to have the thought was cause nat 20 history check. Still had a -3 modifier

[small relic]

modifiers are cancelled on nat 20s tho, no?

[solar crow]

Yeah they are

[small relic]

oh i see

im not cooked, dm let me have a 9 instead

[glass granite]

Nope

Not for ability checks

[small relic]

i could of sworn they were

[glass granite]

Only for attack rolls

[small relic]

ohhh im dumb

[glass granite]

In which it’s an auto success

[feral fulcrum]

RAW crits are only on attack rolls, but many DM's roll with Crits on skills too.

[tame estuary]

cuz bg3 does it like that

[feral fulcrum]

It was a thing long before bg3.

[hushed mason]

Ick. No criticals on skill checks. Boo!

[keen kestrel]

typically, 20s on skill checks are good enough to pass most dc's on skill checks tbh, but def don't do crit skill checks, that's silly

[halcyon bison]

And if they can’t pass it with a nat 20, don’t let them roll

Or let them roll and have the result determine the severity the failure, depends on the situation a bit

[hushed mason]

That actually is built into some 3.5 skills.

[severe rampart]

Would it be a good idea to try and replicate JJK into DnD by a ton of homebrewing and duct tape

[knotty pasture]

It would definitely be v messy that's for sure

[keen kestrel]

tbh, the only time people want crit skill checks is on some ridiculous nonsense with charisma checks anyway

[timid current]

they want a 5% chance of just doing whatever they want without consequence

[halcyon bison]

Yeah and in that situation a nat 20 should be "the dragon you're trying to seduce take it as a joke and doesn't try to burn you to a crisp"

[keen kestrel]

Or the king laughs off you trying to take his throne as a joke amongst adventurers

[halcyon bison]

Remember: Persuasion isn't mind control!

[keen kestrel]

You can certainly convince people of some silly things, but that's the extent of what it should be used for

[sleek cloud]

What do you think the dc was for donkey to seduce that dragon in the shrek movie was

[timid current]

it wasn't a roll it was roleplaying

[keen kestrel]

35, but donkey clearly has a plus 15 to persuasion

[naive cedar]

30

[sleek cloud]

Yeah it definitely had to be up there

[knotty pasture]

Donkey is also rolling with advantage

[sleek cloud]

I feel like he had the lucky feat

[timid current]

perhaps the real lesson is "seduction" isn't really something you'd be rolling for

[fervent kayak]

Is it a good idea to make a kobolt a wizard

[sleek cloud]

Not wrong there Dave

Also, hello Dave

[timid current]

afternoon

[severe rampart]

To quote EPIC "There are other ways of persuasion"

[blissful ibex]

yes

[sleek cloud]

Sleepy, I don’t see why not. Sometimes I even think about making a kobold monk

[fervent kayak]

Ok thanks

[potent vector]

Shadow Monk + Pact Tactics variant. . . Oh yeah, it's all coming together. . .

[woven flint]

Figured out the classes and dragonmarks in the Eberron group imma be in

Sentinel Druid (Forge) Me!
Healing Wizard (Abjuration)
Shadow Bard (Dirge)
Passage Artificer (Armorer, Battlesmith or Forge Adept)

I'm pretty hyped for this

[keen kestrel]

this is a wild setup (dirge bard looks cool)

[woven flint]

Abjuration Mark of Healing is pretty smart since Healing spells are Abjuration spells in 2024

So when he Casts a Healing spell with a slot he can also refuel his shield

I chose Mark of Sentinel because Forge Druid is pretty tanky, but also I'm gonna pick up the Warforged Juggernaut feat later to basically give myself and my wildshapes crit negation (since feats still work in wildshape)

[keen kestrel]

that's actually awesome

I wanna do an eberron playthrough so bad

[woven flint]

Play a Warforged
Take the Juggernaut feat when you can
Built in adamantine armor pretty much

Excellent for Barbarians and other tanky folk

[keen kestrel]

I really want to play a watchers paladin in eberron

[woven flint]

Makes sense

[wicked sigil]

Whats the best common or uncommon magic item for wizards

Lvl 9 if it makes a difference

[woven flint]

One of the best uncommon for Wzard is an Arcane Grimoire as it gives a +1 to all your attack roll spells and Saving throw spells

[fossil hollow]

cuuuurse you tokiiii

[severe rampart]

"ah yes, I remember. The tree that washington chopped was indeed not a cherry tree."

[keen kestrel]

oh, I want to take the sentinel dragonmark too

just gotta stand against whatever nonsense is happening

[severe rampart]

Gotta homebrew a LOT of JJK things for my first actual "real" campaign

[feral fulcrum]

There's not really a best common magic item because they're basically all flavor things with little to no impact on day to day gameplay.

[solar crow]

There's something in the dungeon we're exploring for the campaign I'm in that is so evil and powerful that the Oracle of our campaign is scared of it and we accidentally caught the things attention today-😅 🤣

She refused to say what it was or anything about it cause that would just get it's attention more

This is fun

[remote wadi]

Been thinking about DnD while I work. I don't understand how Ranger is supposed to function well

They're supposed to be a versatile class borrowing something from a lot of things, but the more I think about it, the more I feel like they just do all of them somewhat poorly

[feral fulcrum]

Are we talking Pre-tasha's ranger, post Tasha's ranger, or 2024 Ranger (Which is jsut Tasha's ranger but with a weird hyperfixation on Hunter's mark.)

[ivory ivy]

hi again i asked from advice from before didn't get an answer, my charlantan eloquence bard/rouge is going to be leveling up soon and gonna be able to grab a rouge subclass for them. I am not sure which one to go for. Any advice? or ideas that would benefit him?

[remote wadi]

Post

[feral fulcrum]

They're skill monkies post Tasha's, and are kind like more damaging, less casty Bards in that regard.

[full wadi]

Have you been having trouble getting your sneak attack off given your party composition, or have you had very few issues with it?

[remote wadi]

I mean, here's what I mean

Ranged damage is pretty nice, but tends to be either very meh damage or requires party support if you're trying to use Sharpshooter often

[feral fulcrum]

Rangers need not be Ranged.

[remote wadi]

And it especially doesn't stack up too well when other spellcasters and Paladin can just get crap tons of damage just from a small amount of spellcasting

[feral fulcrum]

They're perefectly capable of melee combat.

[keen kestrel]

horizon walker with rapier and shield is very fun

[remote wadi]

Amd this is true. I've used shortsword combat as well and didn't do too bad. But they also have relatively meh damage here too

Last combat, for context, I hit all 3 shortsword attacks first turn and did about 27 damage
Druid then decided to cast Call Lightning and not only do considerably higher damage, but this was also from just about everyone passing the save

[feral fulcrum]

Well they're half-casters so what do you expect, they're not Wizard, Nor Sorceror. And much of their kit revolves around either battlefield control, or supporting the more niche sides of exploration.

[ivory ivy]

been having not alot of issues, the eloquence bard thing is just mostly for his changeling side. Our monk and wizard gets better luck on damage on the opponent easier/faster than I.

I use the eloquence bard skills to pretty much get away with thieving easily

[full wadi]

What about arcane trickster to poach wizard spells? And the fancy version of Mage Hand they get

[remote wadi]

And this leads into the other problem. They are not just known spellcasters, meaning they can rarely change out their spells

But they also get no spellcasting modifer to the spells you can bring with you. On top of only being a half spellcaster

So despite being level 5 and the other spellcasters learning 7-10 spells to swap out every day, i only can have 4 and need to level up to swap out one

[feral fulcrum]

Because their spellcasting is a side benefit.

[potent vector]

Hey, y'all remember when PETA made DnD subclasses

[remote wadi]

Everything about them is a side bene-

[remote wadi]

You have my full attention

[potent vector]

https://www.peta.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/09/PETA-Dungeons-and-Dragons-Subclasses.pdf

[feral fulcrum]

Shrugs

I think Tasha's Ranger is perfectly fine.

[potent vector]

It's so funny that to optimize these you want to put animals in danger

[ivory ivy]

I was debating on that, but i already have mage hand. The main problem is he won't have alot of spells level up till late in the game. We are going to end the session before he even gets to that point.

[remote wadi]

I personally think that they are in a very tricky situation where they fall into either mediocrity
Or relying on chemistry too much. Not every class needs to be independent, but I feel like Ranger requires too much for too little

[feral fulcrum]

Shrugs

[potent vector]

(I forgor, were you here during my rant Abt Ranger's not having a viable Niche)

[feral fulcrum]

I dont' particuarly care if it's underpowered, as long as it nails flavor

[remote wadi]

Yes, I was

[full wadi]

Consider Mastermind. The Master of Intrigue feature especially is nice if you like messing around with Deception.

[potent vector]

Yeah, my issue is them lacking the flavor in the base class too. They literally gave the "traveler and his trusty pet" feature to Druid 😭

[remote wadi]

This is by a considerable margin, though

Heck, I wanted to try my class being a bounty hunter in the shadows by being a Gloomstalker Assassin Combo. It isnt terrible so far, but definitely requires your team to at least help you out with stealth by not blowing everyone's cover

[full wadi]

It's almost like this is a team based game or something...

[remote wadi]

So Ranger is far from unusable and can be really fun when done well

But I think the proper phrase is "The whole is not worth the sum of it's parts"

[ivory ivy]

oh, hmm...I do like that.... and he already has have high deception, plus he has silvery tounge which turns any lower persua, or deception into a 10 if lower

[loud tendon]

I've been playing a drake warden ranger for at least a year now.. she consistently does respectable damage. Has sharpshooter as well.
I dont need to rely on team synergy to make ss work.

I also celebrate when my teammates do more damage. Do it. Thats awesome. They failed the save? Heck yeah full damage.

You are a team every hit counts. Every person helps.

If you dont enjoy a ranger, ask to switch to a caster so you can zap things and feel more fulfilled.
Its okay if the class doesn't work for you.. but its not terribly behind other classes and is plenty of fun imo

[feral fulcrum]

A stealth based gameplay loop does require everyone else to be on board with being stealthy.

[loud tendon]

You can still be hidden even if the others fail stealth. Unless you are always in a big clump.

As long as you roll well to hide

Group checks aside I should say

[remote wadi]

We see it the same way, then. Just kind of sucks that they aren't exactly well off in terms of keeping up with everyone

Also... I wouldn't have exactly cheered with the Call Lightning bit. Something I left out is that 75% of that damage was friendly fire

[feral fulcrum]

My point was more that "It's hard to be sneaky when everyone else is either a raging barbarian, or paladin clanking around in heavy armor, and the DM absolutely doesn't want your sneaky fellow to wander farther then ten feet from the group."

[potent vector]

I will mention Ranger seems to be second best at everything in a party, which isn't something I think anyone wants, but with the flavor, I do realize at this point that some people are fine with

I just personally got tired of it

[remote wadi]

I asked my party to at least put out lights as we explore since I can benefit from Skulker while everyone else is relatively unhindered from dark vision

[full wadi]

Sounds like your decision is made. Update your sheet and lock it in!

[loud tendon]

I really don't think we see it the same way at all. You seem to drag on your teammates for not hitting enough or correctly.
Bad aoe placement can happen. They could be more careful but so can your team learn to position themselves unless they are all melee which I dont think they are outside of the paladin?

[loud tendon]

Totally fair.

[wicked sigil]

i ahve a +3 to hit on spells because of a cursed wand

[glass granite]

Noice

[wicked sigil]

but i take 1d8 damage for any spell no exceptions

[glass granite]

Not noice

[feral fulcrum]

There is one thing Ranger is definitely the best at however. (Well, one Subclass), Fey Wanderer is the best at Charisma skill checks.

[full wadi]

Ranger needs to have their Hunter's Mark be an utterly unique class feature, vs a poachable spell that makes them sacrifice a potential healing spell or Pass without Trace in the future.

It's all about opportunity cost, people!

Some homebrews or alt Rangers do this

(Unfortunately, Tasha's ranger doesn't do it)

[turbid vessel]

i mean post 2024, it's not poachable

[remote wadi]

At the beginning of the fight, we were all very close by due to being in carriages. But it didn't stop druid from choosing to cast it anyways

As for dragging them on, the main frustration was that friendly fire bit
But if we're going to point fingers, the old adage rings true because I myself COMPLETELY forgot I had Absorb Elements

[glass granite]

It has competition with eloquence bard

[feral fulcrum]

Please, no more fixation on Hunter's mark, I hate it.

[full wadi]

Like most people, my brain is entrenched in the legacy code of 2014

[fossil hollow]

Druid spell list has it too

[feral fulcrum]

I don't want everything about ranger to be tied to a stupid level 1 combat spell.

[full wadi]

Welp

[remote wadi]

Like I said, it's not terrible, but definitely needs a lot of party planning

[potent vector]

Oh, found the original, so, basically, Ranger is a decent backup for most things. If one party member goes down, you can easily fill in their place if they were a Frontliner, skill monkey, or Druid in a pinch.

[full wadi]

They're just the worst half caster on the docket and that's that I guess lol

[glass granite]

I wasn’t replying to you, though granted, it doesn’t need THAT much

Some party cooperation, sure

[remote wadi]

Which is true, but parties are often 4-5 or even more. It rarely is 2 or 3 without just saying "not enough people, no dnd today"

[glass granite]

But the reason you’re experiencing it so much is because you’re doing a shadow sniper build

[full wadi]

Party cooperation should be the assumed default tbh, but unfortunately that's not the case for some reason...?

[glass granite]

Likely cuz he’s asking them to shape themselves around him, even if it’s not by a lot

[full wadi]

If you want a shadow sniper, go enjoy a Skyrim stealth archer run /j

[potent vector]

Yeah, again, why I hate that role

[ivory ivy]

dm gonna be piss at me for this, 🤣

[feral fulcrum]

I"m pretty sure it's because they consistently come off of "Please orient yourselves around my playstyle so that I can be as effective as I like.". Or at least that how it seems to me.

[turbid vessel]

ranger has always been an interesting case to me because it shows how so much of the (public) dnd sphere wants to have their character identity around being the best at something, and aren't interested in being a fluid generalist. Ranger is a great generalist, so many just don't wanna be a generalist

[potent vector]

Also, again, subclasses shouldn't have to fix a core class problem

[remote wadi]

Wizard is mostly detached outside of the campaign, but pretty chill overall
Paladin is very misguided and often is way too cautious (they're an Aasimar, Druid is CotS with unicorn totem, and we have a life domain cleric, albeit rarely, but she wants to avoid using Bless because she wants to save spell slots for divine smite and emergency healing)

And Druid... they tend to be very quick tempered, calling any collaboration "forcing optimization"

But to be perfectly clear, the pros outweigh the cons for now

[full wadi]

Counterpoint: Rogue is a solid generalist. They also have a good glob of "my attacks deal extra damage" slapped on, and Ranger's version of the same is either conditional (Favored Prey) or finite (Hunter's Mark)

[turbid vessel]

rogue is a solid generalist, and a lot of people have issues with rogue, especially in this server

[full wadi]

Because it's the favorite martial in a system with a bias in favor of casters

[remote wadi]

For the Druid, even just asking to travel at night (everyone has night vision and Light cantrip) was like pulling teeth, and I eventually settled for traveling during the day, but asking the team to keep an eye out for ways to make dim light as much as possible

[full wadi]

This sounds like a fun table dynamic to play at

[remote wadi]

Not the dream party, but definitely not too bad for chilling on a Saturday afternoon

[glass granite]

Asking the entire party to change to night travel is a fairly big change, no?

[full wadi]

Unless you're a vampire that dies in daylight, I'm not doing all of that tbh

[glass granite]

He is

[marble lion]

This

[full wadi]

This explains many things

[remote wadi]

Yeah... about that.. vampire spawn

[glass granite]

But no one else is that

[marble lion]

This again

[glass granite]

Yes, unfortunately

[naive cedar]

Bruh you really need to dip from this group lol

[full wadi]

Wow you uh. Could have led with the fact they're a vampire spawn

[naive cedar]

You’re clearly not enjoying the game

[remote wadi]

I don't wanna become a Minecraft Skeleton when Lady Luck decides to toss me around again

[glass granite]

I’m popping in and out of the convo, thought he already mentioned it

[full wadi]

Is bad DnD better than no DnD? Vote now on your phones!

[marble lion]

Dont you have phones?

[remote wadi]

My apologies. This is during my break, so I often have to type fast

[full wadi]

All good

[naive cedar]

My hot take: while groups definitely shouldn’t cater to one individual only, it really seems like (for whatever reason) your group is actively not taking your abilities/strengths/weaknesses into account. You might be better off just leaving ajd finding a better group

[remote wadi]

It definitely isn't, but I also could use some time to learn what is bad dnd, as well as when you can sort out problems vs running away from them

I feel like that's something the adage never talks about

Anyways, back to work I go

[full wadi]

The fact that they chose to be a vampire spawn during character creation, a character choice requiring an accommodation that the rest of the party presumably didn't know about on a meta level during session 0... it's telling.

Yeah. Leave the table.

[naive cedar]

They’re also a gloomstalker

[glass granite]

Not character creation, they died and was given the choice

[marble lion]

My theory is that bloodline has backseated, micromanaged and overthought through each session so even reasonable suggestions now fall on deaf ears of players who just dont want to bother anymore

[glass granite]

This^

[naive cedar]

That is also true since they were talking about that earlier. It sucks for them but I still think they might be better off leaving and not micromanaging in their next group

[glass granite]

The other players just don’t have a great view on you, I think. At least the Druid (considering you bad mouthed them here).

I assume at least one of the players are on this server?

[main maple]

Anyone watch legend of vox machina?

[glass granite]

Not yet

[naive cedar]

Also you really shouldn’t be trash talking your fellow players in a public server with over 200k members

[main maple]

I’m addicted to it

[full wadi]

Crit Crab and his channel's consequences have been a disaster to the hobby

[naive cedar]

I don’t even know who that is lol. I’m such a noob to 5e

[full wadi]

I have nothing against him personally

[marble lion]

I watched that campaign 3 times, and mighty nein 2 times

[turbid vessel]

everybody is obsessed with the idea of handling their out-of-game issues in-game. i don't get it

[full wadi]

Someone else will explain who CritCrab is, I'll let them do so.

Go on. You know you wanna. You've been waiting for this moment.

[glass granite]

Never heard of them
Been playing for 2 years

[marble lion]

I often run into people who say critrole has ruined tons of dnd players
I have yet to run into a critrole player who is like that though

Unless critcrab is something else?

[full wadi]

Critical Role and CritCrab are not the same

[marble lion]

Ah i see

[naive cedar]

Yeah I haven’t watched critical role but they seem very chill

[full wadi]

Mat Mercer Effect is a different problem

[turbid vessel]

critcrab is his own youtuber, and IIRC his most popular format is "reading dnd disaster stories from reddit"

[naive cedar]

Ooooh

[marble lion]

Mercer effect i have yet to actually see anywhere

[naive cedar]

So people get obsessed with spilling tea on their fellow players

[marble lion]

I see memes and complaints but i never witnessed it being real

[full wadi]

Bingo! Thank you sinanis, please collect your prize
(it's a single steamed crab leg)

[turbid vessel]

same here, i've seen it more talked about as a hypothetical concept rather than actually seeing it in play

[marble lion]

It annoys me

Because i really did learn dming by watching critrole

[turbid vessel]

and also sometimes people say "the matt mercer effect" and it's just... being sensitive and aware of your players wants and needs?

[marble lion]

I just have enough brainpower to see the differences between my homegame and a tv show

[small heath]

What is this "mercer effect" y'all talking about? I know who Matt Mercer is and I've seen some clips on YT, but what impact did he do?

[full wadi]

I've had a disruptive over-talkative player, and an someone who had Their Special Original Character with several pages of backstory sent my way, with zero adaptation into my campaign premise before I actively prompted them to do some.

It's there.

[marble lion]

Some claim he set false expectations for ppl in homegames

[umbral girder]

People who got into DnD via critical role like to demand their DM to act like Matt Mercer

[turbid vessel]

it refers to his style of DMing and gameplay, and the so-called "matt mercer effect" says that now new players to the hobby that learned from critical role expects all dnd to be like that

[umbral girder]

And yeah I experienced it a few times

[marble lion]

And also makes DMs act like pretentious demigod directors who do too much monologueing etc

[umbral girder]

With my very first group in fact.

[marble lion]

I havent met either

[glass granite]

I have yet to experience it, cuz I don’t think any of my players have watched critical role

[turbid vessel]

this type of player existed long before matt mercer was even alive

[full wadi]

Yep. That's the deal - it's player at a hobbyist table expecting the same player experience as a table full of seasoned, professional improv actors/comedians who do it as a job.

[marble lion]

What does that have to do with cr

[naive cedar]

Yeah that’s not even unique to tabletop roleplaying. That happens in forum style roleplaying all the time

[small heath]

My most consistent and my primary campaign I'm in works well because we do most of the talker than our DM. A few sessions already our in-characters had discussions over a plan for a problem presented, and it turned into in-character arguments for at least 10 straight minutes. My DM kept sending "eating popcorn" memes in our Discord chat while we were going at it 😂

[hidden spindle]

I've never seen it either

[marble lion]

I can understand this one but again i have yet to meet someone who is dense enough to expect this

[glass granite]

Well I’m a bad reference

[full wadi]

Matt Mercer, not willingly might I add, did increase how often that happens. Probably.

People wanna mimic what they see on TV, and certain types aim to do so without knowing how the sausage is made.

[naive cedar]

Don Draper voice I don’t even know who you are

[snow tiger]

stop.

[full wadi]

Night! Sleep well

[naive cedar]

Wait were they joking

[marble lion]

Oh ignore him, he is just being sour

[naive cedar]

My bad lol

[full wadi]

Lactic acid is indeed sour, by definition

[snow tiger]

ssame

[small heath]

What if you make a BBEG who is secretly allergic to like, peanuts or something.

[loud tendon]

Don't be gross.

[tropic plank]

Down bad for a dnd figurine

[full wadi]

This is not the right chatroom for that chief

All good

[naive cedar]

I’m really confused

[idle oar]

The server rules are not optional folks

[snow tiger]

how old are you guys perhaps would you like to say?

[marble lion]

Im surprised there was no ban yet considering every message posted so far

[glass granite]

Server rules, can’t say nor ask

[idle oar]

Please follow them, keep things appropriate, and keep on topic

[full wadi]

You'll learn when you're older, don't worry about it for now

Anyway, who here likes Artificer?

[zenith junco]

Can someone tell me how to post on the looking for players channel?

[snow tiger]

whats your age ?

[glass granite]

They’re aight

[timid current]

you lied via checkmark!

[loud tendon]

Have you read through #find-a-game

[idle oar]

Read #find-a-game carefully as it explains the bot commands you need to use

[turbid vessel]

maybe it did, but i don't think it was increased a significant amount just due to him, at least not enough to constitute the effect being named after him.

think of it like oil and water. if the majority of dnd players are water taking up 99 percent of a jar, then 1 percent of the problem players (oil) rise to the top as the ones that are seen most. so if the population doubles (IE, more people getting into DnD circa the 2010), it seems like a big jump that the oil doubled in volume, when it's still actually only one percent of players

in other words, yeah the number of those players probably increased when critical role got popular. but that's just cause all types of players increased too, since that's just when the hobby got popular

[glass granite]

Type /looking-for players

[tropic plank]

I like it, but then all the cheese people do with them puts me off playing one

[small heath]

Chat, do I play a Ranger or a Monk next?

[cosmic roost]

No pings, please :pray:

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[tropic plank]

Monk

[snow tiger]

Me.

[timid current]

indeed who reads anything, like even the person you're responding to's name

[marble lion]

Beautiful

[glass granite]

Monk, 100%.
Not hating on Ranger I just really like monk

[marble lion]

Now more oil!

[naive cedar]

smh dnd players don’t read

[keen kestrel]

Correct!

[cosmic roost]

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[small heath]

Can I attack more than 2 times as a monk?!

[tropic plank]

DnD players never read its a part of the game experience

[glass granite]

You can attack 5

[small heath]

yooooo

[glass granite]

At level 10 in 2024

[idle oar]

No need to reply directly to folks already discussing things in the channel

[full wadi]

A DM can always just ban the class if they utterly hate the idea of cheese

[naive cedar]

Don’t read anything. Just watch critical role and use that as your PHB

[full wadi]

That I'll agree with you on. Increased perception on the issue doesn't nessecarily mean increased actual numbers within the issue.

[wanton sorrel]

welp... i feel like my character is going to die

[tropic plank]

Yeah but I feel there’s an expectation that if you play Artificer genuinely, your party might expect you to do stuff like making guns and if you don’t then it’s sort of disappointing

[full wadi]

If an Artificer is press ganged into being a non-participant making Cool Stuff for everyone else, that's a table dynamic issue

[small heath]

Well that happened, but I'll definitely give monk a try. I think my saturday campaign is sadly getting cancelled indefinitely due to many people leaving all of a sudden, leaving only 2 of us 😭

[glass granite]

Second this

[small heath]

So I gotta go search for another one so in case.

[full wadi]

In Minecraft, right?

[small heath]

I do know my friend, who is the DM in my main campaign atm, invited me to his saturday one. It's seems a huge step up in complexity as there's an entire 16 page Google document for it because the DM wanted to comebine both 2014 and 2024 rules in a homebrew setting, that I got to read and understand 💀

[full wadi]

Don't worry about it

[timid current]

it's deleted, don't worry about it

[small heath]

So... yeah, that'll be a fun adventure and a new challenge for me

[chrome dock]

Lol yeah I was reading that then it went away lol

[timber junco]

For a soul knife rogue, what’s the benefit of using both soul knives as opposed to the first d6 soul knife with another short sword?

[timid current]

having your hands free

[tropic plank]

You look really cool

[full wadi]

Two knives

Are gifs allowed in this channel

[tropic plank]

Idk I think you’d just get maximum use of your soul knives until you find a sword that’s good enough to sacrifice your subclass’s passive for

[small heath]

No. Frankly I wouldn't allow any image posting of any kind if I had a discord of more than 100 people, let alone 64,000+

[feral fulcrum]

The Psychic blades also do Psychic damage, which is rarely resisted

[molten pumice]

The embarrassment of finding out my 2 most recent 15th level rangers are both wild heart barbarian beast master multiclasses... at the very least their level splits are reversed. 6 ranger levels for the elf with the helmet, 9 ranger levels for the superman reference. Their builds are more different than similar luckily, but it was disheartening since I try not to do the same mixes over and over. I suppose the superman reference could be a hunter instead of a beast master, but there's a polar bear in the reference image I used...

[tropic plank]

You apparently have access to gifs but since you can’t post images I’d assume gifs fall under the same category

[small heath]

Well it'll depend if it can embed.

[minor dagger]

any idea on how to make my party feel like an encounter is impossible and run instead of facing the monster while still not spelling it out for them

[small heath]

#dm-discussion would help you there

[minor dagger]

thank you, have a good day

[tame estuary]

make the mission a save an npc mission

[glass granite]

We have a dragon, Themberchaud, that feeds on them. Don’t feed the dragon, he’ll get fat

[small heath]

Yeah. We like our dragons starving to death so they don't have the energy to fight back.

[tropic plank]

It’s like the Gremlins

[feral fulcrum]

Throw an obviously large and insurmountable creature at them if they're lower levels. If they're high enough level. "I can take them." Syndrome applies.

[glass granite]

He gets fed from time to time already. We respect Themberchaud here

[small heath]

Ah, fair.

[naive cedar]

Thumberchaud gets fed very well from what I’ve seen

[broken imp]

any good 1st level spell for wizard? i just leveled up to lv2 and can have 2 more

have already

[hoary totem]

shield, mage armour, magic missile

ah i guess freaky font is flagged : (

[hidden spindle]

Tenser's Floating Disk & Alarm

[hoary totem]

find familiar (never prepare, always cast as ritual)

[jovial shadow]

firebolt, ray of frost and Chromatic Orb

[small heath]

Me when my Chromatic Orb doesn't bounce:

[hoary totem]

fyi the first 2 are cantrips!

[severe rampart]

False Life and Magic Missile are good

[jovial shadow]

Shield, Magic Missile and Chromatic Orb

But still Firebolt and Ray of Frost as cantrips

[worn lagoon]

mind sliver and frostbite are really good

[small heath]

silvery barbs to get eventually!

the best spell

[worn lagoon]

That's a good anti-crit

Some DMs make a huge fuss of it though

[timid current]

it's counterplay for spikes, rather than some kind of all encompassing super spell

[worn lagoon]

If shield can prevent the same hit, I will use shield

[severe rampart]

What spells in DnD conjure up a separate entity that you can command? and no, not the summon demons thing

[small heath]

Call and Summon Diety is goated.

[severe rampart]

Nope... just very weak fodder summons

[small heath]

xD

[jovial shadow]

Shield lasts until the start of your next turn, I believe

[keen kestrel]

conjure fey is weakish

or practically any reanimate spell