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[delicate owl]

So, it only uses the rules below, and none of those gives it the ability to use the same property as the weapon that is being wielded in a contrary way,

[fickle heart]

I can see how you conclude this, yeah. My counterreasoning is that the Improvised Weapon rules tell us to not use Proficiency Bonus, but don't tell us to not use properties.

[tough drift]

#dm-discussion

[trail ore]

Mb

[jovial shadow]

But it doesn't say you can't use those properties, especially where it says the DM can call it whatever weapon type it is being used as (eg a table leg= club).

[fickle heart]

So IW rules negate PB rules in one instance, and therefore the precedence set within the IW rules themselves would seemingly dictate that they require stating what else is negated.

[hidden spindle]

My Rogue pistol whipping Sneak Attack is closer to reality.

[timid current]

huh
the damage doesn't say "replace" or "instead of"

so if we go with "improvised weapons don't replace/remove properties" you could throw a long sword and deal 1d8+1d4, and sap the target

[delicate owl]

I think in the end it's dm fiat though

[fickle heart]

I think this is largely because not all IW are actually weapons, and non-weapons wouldn't have damage dice in the first place.

[timid current]

we can't assume that any more than we can assume they do not get other properties

[fossil hollow]

Damage. On a hit, the weapon deals 1d4 damage of a type the DM thinks is appropriate for the object.
id say this is enough to replace the damage, no?

[bleak kraken]

Specific beats general. "The weapon deals 1d4 damage" is in replacement of the weapon's existing text.

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[fossil hollow]

oops did i foget to turn off or?

[bleak kraken]

I think I did. Or maybe it's you. I'm not sure.

[fickle heart]

I think this is similar to the idea that we could conclude that you use your PB with an IW, though, if you have prof in the weapon. It would be determining that the apparent contradiction between using and not using your PB when making attacks would be able to be chosen by the user. I don't actually believe that, but I think we'd need to internally rule the same way. Either the IW rules override the weapon in all directly contradictory instances or they don't override.

[timid current]

hilariously tavern brawler doesn't contradict the "no PB"

it simply says you are proficient. the callout in improvised weapon says not to use PB

[hidden spindle]

I was thinking Improvised Weapons may be in the same camp as: Simple & Martial.

[timid current]

you only have PB if you are proficient

[fickle heart]

That is pretty comedic, I'm not gonna lie.

[jovial shadow]

They are. Simple and Martial melee weapons used contrary to how they were meant, become improvised weapons. It's in the IW description. Otherwise any thing you can get your hands on is an IW.

[timid current]

well since it's very unclear I'll go with what makes sense in that you can't gain crazy benefits from using something a way it'snot supposed to be used

(the way we've played this whole time tbh)

oh yeah, since you don't lose properties, long bow wouldn't be able to attack without ammunition

and you'd have disadvantage on melee attacks since it wouldn't lose the ranged property

[hidden spindle]

Good catch. And heavy weapons aren't heavy~

[glass granite]

Ok that’s hilarious

[hidden spindle]

Wait a minute, its if you make a Ranged Attack within 5ft of an enemy. Not an attack with a Ranged Weapon within 5ft of an enemy

The melee attack with a Ranged Weapon will be fine, no Disadvantage

[fickle heart]

Ammunition also calls out ranged attack, yeah.

[glass granite]

Oh same applies to ammunition i think-
Ah beat me to it

[jovial shadow]

Tavern Brawler specifically allows you to use your proficiency bonus with an IW, provided you would get one after the DM determines what weapon type is similar to your IW you are using.

[unborn lotus]

Hot Take, WOTC should add the utilise action to cunning actions for rogues.

I can't think of a single item that's going to break the game if you can use it as a bonus action - all magic items require the magic action so that's a separate thing.

Having a rogue be able to throw out ballbearings, caltrops, oil, grappling hooks, in addtion to being able to take their regular attacks might actually mean some of the utility items that get so often ignored actually see some cool use.

It's also super on theme for a rogue

[fickle heart]

There's a subclass that does this: Thief 😛

[unborn lotus]

Let me make my batman rogue and have him not have to waste full actions dropping caltrops that deal 1 damage 😭

[unborn lotus]

Turns out I'm stupid

[hidden spindle]

Don't you just hate it when the DM gives everyone Fast Hands; at least for the Utilize Action

[glass granite]

Hi stupid I’m Nugget

[unborn lotus]

I still think it should be for all rogues XD Fast Hands works for magic items which is a way bigger deal

Though perhaps bombs would make all rogues too strong? But rogues need it anyway

[hot marlin]

The point of caltrops isn't the damage they deal, the point of caltrops is that they stop a creature's movement, reduce their speed by ten and can even be coated with poison

[unborn lotus]

and technically bomb doesn't say the utilise action (though it obviously is)

[jovial shadow]

Yeah but then they get 0 movement until the start of their next turn.

[hot marlin]

Used smartly, caltrops are powerful enough to justify the fact that they require an action

[timid current]

tavern brawler says you are proficient with them. that is a general use case. improvised weapons specifically state you cannot use your proficiency bonus.

[unborn lotus]

Yeah but it's pretty niche application if it requires a whole turn

[timid current]

you are still proficient, for any and all other uses of the term. but improvised weapons do not use your PB

[hidden spindle]

I thought Tavern Brawler is the specific and IW is the general

[unborn lotus]

But they're still cool as, I have a player trying to make a utility character now so I was going through every item helping them pick equipment for level 1 even though I know they'll quickly realise attacking is probably just better

[timid current]

they're both specific but they aren't contra to one another

[jovial shadow]

Yeah you aren't proficient with them if you don't have TB and you aren't proficient in the the type of weapon the DM says you are using your IW as.

[timid current]

you are still proficient. but improvised weapons do not use PB.

[unborn lotus]

We ran some test combat using caltrops and ballbearings + stealth to take on a bunch of assailants too strong for them and it was really fun

I'll make sure they're aware of theif but they're doing a sherlock holmes type so I think they'll end up going mastermind regardless

[timid current]

in fact I'd say that the callout in improvised weapons is only applicable to tavern brawler, since that is the only time you'll ever be proficient in improvised weapons.

[unborn lotus]

But also DM can rule most improvised weapons use a weapon statblock - e.g. the table leg club

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[empty thicket]

im thinking of getting some in my campaign, will see if the dm let me

[timid current]

yes, if the DM rules that it is a club, then it is treated as a club, not as an improvised weapon

[empty thicket]

normally he would

[jovial shadow]

If you are using a table leg to bonk someone, and the DM says okay you are using it as a club. You don't get to use your PB. However if you have TB and you have proficiency with simple weapons, then you get to use it.

[timid current]

in that case it functions as that weapon and uses that weapon's rules

[unborn lotus]

So in my experience improv weapons almost never come into play unless you're doing the insane hit him with a chair move

Because most things you pick up as a weapon are going to be weapon shaped enough that they're not improvised, fire pokers, kitchen knives, pitchforks, tree branches, are all weapon weapons

[unborn lotus]

So you have prof

[empty thicket]

if im not wrong for improvised weapons prof you would need tavern brawler isnt it?

[fossil hollow]

you

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[jovial shadow]

Yes. It gets to use the the mastery properties if you can can use them.

[timid current]

if it is treated as a club, it is not treated as an improvised weapon

[unborn lotus]

Is there something that says you don't get proficiency? I think using that weapons rules is pretty clear

[small heath]

Thank you Dyno

[timid current]

it is a more specific line within the improvised weapon rules.

[hot marlin]

Me

[fossil hollow]

i sent message

[unborn lotus]

But that specific line gives permission to use player proficiency as I read it

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[timid current]

yes it does. but at that point you are not using it as an improvised weapon, you are using it as a club

[idle oar]

Folks please stop pinging folks who have specifically noted they don't want to be pinged

Please respect their desires

[timid current]

so it will have the properties of a club, not of whatever else you were using it for

[small heath]

Dyno we said thanks. ❤️

[hot marlin]

Please people stop pinging Dave. If I see that Dyno message one more time I swear I will have a stroke caused by rage.

[hidden spindle]

Get creative. Pummel smash. Butt Strike. Hit with the flat side of the blade

[unborn lotus]

Yeah that was my point, improv weapon rarely comes into play, because most "improv weapons" are weapon shaped enough to be regular weapons

[timid current]

if you use a longbow and your DM says treat it as a club, you use the club properties and masteries and damage etc

[unborn lotus]

At least when I'm dming

[small heath]

Dyno reoccurring more than a Paladin talking about their oath for the 10th time in a single session.

[jovial shadow]

That's the DM's call. It's in the description

[timid current]

sure, that's a really truly useful thing to do

[rugged hawk]

Skill CON issue

[timid current]

yes. we were discussing the other elements of improvised weapons of course.

none of which would apply if you are treating it as a club

[hot marlin]

OK so... I feel like you're saying something but I don't know what

[jovial shadow]

The table leg is still an IW, and since the DM says it's being used as a Club, you get to use the master properties.

[hidden spindle]

DEX Issue

[rugged hawk]

Pretty sure Rage isn't DEX-based

[hot marlin]

I'd argue wis issue. Failing to control anger is usually a wisdom problem

[unborn lotus]

For way less damage why would you want to haha
But as DM I'd usually still rule that as regular weapon attacks. Like if you're pummel striking that's still using your sword and proficiency... you can pummel strike with any attack that's free flavour.
Unless you reaaally want to change damage type to bludg then I guess I'd have to make it improv

[rugged hawk]

Having a stroke is definitely a CON issue

[hot marlin]

Good point

[hidden spindle]

Mobile. Keyboard. Mouse

[timid current]

if the dm rules it is a club, then you will use all of the properties of a club. not as an improvised weapon. because you use the rules for that weapon as it specifically says in the line item

[rugged hawk]

Hardware. Issue.

[fossil hollow]

nah, you replied to the message, we gucchi now. BG:DIA S0 Wednesday :3

[hot marlin]

I reacted hours ago!

[timid current]

so if you have a long bow you're using in melee and your DM says "treat it as a club" then it is a 1d4 light bludgeoning weapon woth the slow mastery.

[jovial shadow]

The damage would still be 1d4 plus any master properties. It's still an IW, because used as a club to bonk

[hidden spindle]

Changing damage types for them skeletons

[fossil hollow]

i just saw the notification after i sent the message for you to do so 😭

[timid current]

yes, however, instead of using the general IW rules, it is giving you a specific use case based on the DM's ruling, where you use the rules for the weapon it is replicating

[fossil hollow]

wait, was i napping

[rugged hawk]

Good suggestion: let the player and DM decide how it gets used, whether to use it as IW or a Club.

[hot marlin]

Yeah because I added the thumb reaction to draw your attention to the 100 reaction

[fossil hollow]

oh god i was napping

[hidden spindle]

If my Longbow is a Club, can I cast Shillelagh on it? Thanks~

[fossil hollow]

myb g, i was not familiar with your game

[rugged hawk]

Only as long as you're using it as one, then the spell fades.

[timid current]

ask your DM.

[jovial shadow]

Well the description says it's the DM's call to call it a weapon type (eg club).

It still does IW damage

[hidden spindle]

Shillelagh damage

[timid current]

no... it does whatever the weapon's damage is that the DM is allowing you to use it as

[rugged hawk]

Your forearm and fist technically count as a Club

[timid current]

" If an improvised weapon resembles a Simple or Martial weapon, the DM may say it functions as that weapon and uses that weapon's rules. " this is a specific item that overwrites the rest of the IW rules replacements

you aren't using that weapons rules if you are using IW's rules instead

[unborn lotus]

Pretty hard to rule the butt of a sword as any other weapon in the game so I guess you can switch to that for improvised...
Surely there's something lying around you can use as a club though to get your proficiency and bigger damage dice 😛

[hidden spindle]

You mean these guns~ 💪

[unborn lotus]

Yes!

[jovial shadow]

No it does 1d4 which is the damage for any IW.

[unborn lotus]

But actually longbow is another item I might nerf by making a true improv weapon
Too flimsy to be a good club

[timid current]

so specific beats general. under the weapon equivalents rule as a part of improvised weapons, it says to use that weapon's rules. which means not to use the improvised weapon's rules

[hidden spindle]

Quarterstaff~

[unborn lotus]

That's better than a club 🤣

[hidden spindle]

Still Shillelagh target

[unborn lotus]

Not manuverable enough to make a good quarterstaff or use your proficiency with

So I guess tavern brawler is good for using already good weapons for things they're not supposed to be used for

[timid current]

tavern brawler is good for dealing damage with unarmed strike, and for pushing with an unarmed strike

as written, unless we assume that improvised weapons replace the entirety of the rules from the weapon, it isn't really interactive with improvised weapons

[jovial shadow]

Tavern Brawler also allow you to use your proficiency bonus with improvised weapons

[timid current]

noooo

[hidden spindle]

Tavern Brawler is good for hitting a dude with another dude

[timid current]

it says you are proficient with them. proficiency normally allows using your proficiency bonus with things, however, improvised weapons do not use pb

what it does do is allow you to use any of the other features that call for "a weapon you are proficient with"

[jovial shadow]

Tavern Brawler specifically says you can use profiiency with improvised weapons

[timid current]

no it does not. please read it again

it says you have proficiencty with improvised weapons. under normal circumstances, weapons you are proficient in can use your PB. however, specifically, improvised weapons do not use your PB.

[jovial shadow]

Yeah. I already said that multiple times 20 minutes ago

[timid current]

so we agree then, tavern brawler does not allow you to use your proficiency bonus with improvised weapons

[jovial shadow]

You just repeated what I said before

[timid current]

okay cool, you kept saying it like you were disagreeing

[jovial shadow]

No that's not what we agree.

[timid current]

so what part of tavern brawler says you can use your profiency bonus with an improvised weapon?

[unborn lotus]

The weapon equivalents section overrides the rest of the improvised weapons section

[barren kraken]

Someone wanna join a campaign?

[broken imp]

i believe the description of the feat says so

[unborn lotus]

Try #find-a-game

[broken imp]

u can check from the phb

[unborn lotus]

It says you only get prof if you already have prof

[barren kraken]

that takes to long

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[barren kraken]

oh you have too?

[humble cairn]

Ok, but it's against the rules to try and get players here, you have to do it in that channel.

[barren kraken]

i just said that

[timid current]

I see where we were talking around each other Laterbot - I agree that if the DM is saying somethign counts as a club, then it counts as a club, which you will be proficient in.

[timid current]

it does not do this

[empty thicket]

better like that ngl.
getting into a Champaign isnt easy, its like getting into a relationship between you, the dm and other 2 to 4 players

[idle oar]

Yes - you must use the Looking For Game channels (or direct messages) to solicit or organize games. It's off-topic in the discussion channels.

[empty thicket]

enjoy dragon

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[unborn lotus]

It does in 2024

[timid current]

no it most certainly does not. please reread the feat. it says you have proficiency in improvised weapons. a feature of improvised weapons is that you do not use your proficiency bonus.

[unborn lotus]

Man no ping is annoying, like I get it but replies autoping unless I change my settings and I don't think about replies as pings

I'm never going to @ Dave I'm not trying to be disrespectful

[idle oar]

Please respect folks desires on not being pinged

[timid current]

I don't mind if you never @ me. we are having a conversation just fine without it

tha'ts not SRD, don't paste it here

[fossil hollow]

you only need to paste the relevant part

[unborn lotus]

I just did, it said nothing about proficiency bonus
Direct quote from PHB 2024
Improvised Weaponry: You have proficinecy with improvised weapons

[timid current]

it says "you have proficiency with improvised weapons". one of the features of improvised weapons is that they do not use proficiency bonus.

[humble cairn]

This debate feels like a #dnd-rules discussion.

[empty thicket]

oh, directly without the feat, no they dont.

[idle oar]

Yeah I think it's time to close out the "huh, that's weird" discussion on improvised weapons

[unborn lotus]

My final hot take is: That's not RAW that's being obtuse. It's obviously overriding that rule, this isn't even RAI it's just understanding English

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[fossil hollow]

bout to crash out

its literally one click to turn it off

[unborn lotus]

I would ping Dave in rules to continue the conversation but...

[fossil hollow]

you can reply and turn off pings

and the mod said to move on, so move on

[hot marlin]

Or you could just say "let's continue in #dnd-rules" and, considering that Dave can read, he can follow you there if he wants to.

[timid current]

you don't have to ping me to talk to me

in fact I've already moved over to rules

[cosmic roost]

https://media-waterdeep.cursecdn.com/attachments/0/828/c2-16.png

[empty thicket]

True, you know what is weird
The guy that gave me so cheap an amulet, idk why and how he name it is weird
Something about "Evil amulet that was made in hell and bath in demon blood and will bring demise to anyone that use it"
Really weird ngl isnt it?
And the old guy just disappeared after i grab it

You guys think it might be cursed?

[tame estuary]

modron march

[idle oar]

Ah yes, the cursed amulet or the random crazy potions mix wackiness

[empty thicket]

Ooooohhh maaaaan, it was too cheap and look so cooooool

it even whisper things sometimes, i think it can do random calls

You think fr its cursed?

[idle oar]

That can be a fun game/campaign mcguffin to help drive the story

likely cursed, but does your character know?

[empty thicket]

it kinda happened to me in a campaign i am, the paladin got a cursed sword, gruesome one that let him do some really weird stuff
Now in the next session we are fighting the demon that control the curse//sword

[livid owl]

Guys I may have just thought of my first joke character

Autognome college of glamour bard

They're a furby .

They get their fur burnt off at some point and realize they're mechanical and have a crisis about it.

[empty thicket]

So, would be an animal? a construct? what?

im just imagining some cursed draw of some guy with a furby head holy pickle....

i need to drink water

[livid owl]

I choose autognome with a terminator type vibe
It looks like some sort of weird animal thing on the surface and then it gets dipped in acid and there's just Robot under there

[hot marlin]

Uh, a campaign that starts because a cursed magic item comes into possession of the PCs. Sounds familiar

Maybe the magic item could be some sort of phylactery for a lich god or something? And it wants to go back to its master by corrupting the wielders?

Oh, what if a secondary antagonist was a previous wielder of the item, corrupted by it and who wants to take it back because he's addicted to it?

[empty thicket]

na, its more like an arc from my paladin. I will see what i do with my character in terms of goals and stuff after that "arc"
Maybe i make him build a house and start going to bars to see his luck

[empty thicket]

some sort of gollum from TLotR?

[hot marlin]

Yes that was the joke

[empty thicket]

Oooohhhh, okey okey. Welp, hope is a real item not like that ring

that ring was a total bait, never did something real

[fossil hollow]

Hope is a thing with feathers?

[open forge]

How useful are items that are really specific to one thing (eg the ring of warm is only helpful in cold environments?)

[fossil hollow]

as useful as you make them

[livid owl]

Depends on campaign settings
Ring of warm would be pretty essential in a tundra setting with lots of survival aspects

[fossil hollow]

Like Icewind Dale

or if youre delving deep into the Frostfell or Stygia

[open forge]

Is it bad if on my first character i add environmental specific items bc of their backstory orrr???

[fossil hollow]

i would work with the DM about wether its good or not for that game

but generally, you dont add magic items or stuff that your DM didnt tell you to start with

[open forge]

Mh that makes sense

[rough basalt]

Reminds me how important a Ring of Warmth would be in my Monday game if the party went west in-game.

Since every day there would be a cold check without the right precautions.

Saw a post for an awesome sounding game using my favorite vtt and content I want
It's in a time slot I'm dming
Pain

[tame estuary]

you run too many games anyhow

take a break sora

[brave niche]

Hey guys, could anyone tell me what the big dude in the background is? This is on the Barlgura page, but everything leads to the Barlgura being the bottom right guy: https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/forgottenrealms/images/b/b8/Glabrezu%2C_Evistro_and_Bar-lgura.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20200310175142

I found it in the MM Expanded - I think it's 4E?

[empty thicket]

Chest of preservation,its a perfect fridge

[hot marlin]

That seems to be a glabrezu

[empty thicket]

and i love the idea of having like 8 of those stacking in a kitchen

[brave niche]

Ahhhhh awesomeeee!

[hot marlin]

Yeah. Pincher arms, dog-like face, two smaller arms. Definitely a glabrezu

[fossil hollow]

thats definitely a Glabrezu aye

as our beloved fiend has said :3

he would know of all entities :3

[hot marlin]

Glabrezu being demons that specialize in temptation. Extremely smart, calculating, good at working behind the scenes.

[tame estuary]

why don't you have your own server tag

[fossil hollow]

gwak

im Ti-Gwak now

[idle oar]

Honestly I hate server tags - so many folks can't join and participate on our server because their dang server tag doesn't comply with server rules.

[tame estuary]

oh I didn't know that

[fossil hollow]

theres a lot with weird acronyms and characters yeah

[idle oar]

But also for so many... why the heck did they pick that inappropriate tag? Why would they want to be noticed for that?!!!

Sigh

[keen kestrel]

tis how it goes

[fossil hollow]

-# ... wait, mind is fine, right?

[idle oar]

Yeah you're good

[past latch]

ring of warmth would probably be very helpful if you tried fistfighting an ice golem

[timid current]

I don't want to use a server tag because I don't like other people being able to find out where I hang out

can you imagine if people found out I'm a fan of (insert band here)

[past latch]

this is a super secret club for cool people

[fossil hollow]

embrace representing

[tame estuary]

I mean I paid for the tag, I will use the tag

[idle oar]

To bring this back to D&D, we do have a D&D server tag if folks want to use it.

[stark tundra]

I had it

But my favorite yt has one

[livid owl]

I like staying tagless
I go against the grain
I can't be labeled 😎
-# also I'm just so averse to change that it would bother me if my username had something by it all of a sudden

I seriously had to debate changing my role in this server from 'new to dnd' to the warlock one currently because I was like Mmm I don't like it looking different

[empty thicket]

i just liked the tag of FEDs, sound like police and all that

still dreaming about a campaign where the party are IRS collectors

[stark tundra]

Dragons would hate them

[past latch]

the true enemy of tiamat

[remote wadi]

I don't mind my tag mostly because it's pretty neutral across the board. There's definitely worse out there

[hot marlin]

I don't think any state has laws that force dragons to pay taxes.

[fossil hollow]

does Waterdeep count?

[hot marlin]

Waterdeep is a state

[fossil hollow]

they have a dragon making money

[past latch]

if they want to continue their state of living then we gonna make them pay up

[hot marlin]

OK yeah, if that dragon is a subject to the law and contributes to society, sure.

[remote wadi]

Anyways, I made the decision in my current campaign to take neither Poisoner nor Alert this early and choose Lucky instead
Lowkey hating how mandatory it feels for someone like me

[fossil hollow]

hes the one who makes Dragons (the currency). so

[past latch]

a dragon with a 401k

gonna retire with their savings in a small suburban mountain like A RESPONSIBLE ADULT

[hot marlin]

Though that dragon is probably taxed as a burgher. Meaning a city dweller, who has to pay town taxes and tolls.

If he leaves town, then he has no status under which he would have to pay taxes

[fossil hollow]

i think they only have him come in from time to time to mint more money

[hot marlin]

Then he would just be taxed on what he is paid for minting it.

[remote wadi]

By the way, I have the opportunity to change my spells thanks to the level up

Should the 4 I pick be Absorb Elements, Entangle, Rope Trick, and PWT?

[knotty pasture]

If PWT still disgusts you, go Spike Growth

[remote wadi]

Or should I leave PWT to the druid and pick up something like Cordon Arrows or Enhance Ability?

[fossil hollow]

wait, nevermind, Aurinax used to guard the gold, not make it

[knotty pasture]

But otherwise yes this seems v solid

Enhance Ability finally addresses your bad luck too if you wanna go down that route

[past latch]

i am now interested in the drama of dragon suburban life

[remote wadi]

Nah, I just don't know if I can leave PWT to the Druid and/or Enhance Ability to the Wizard

By the way, is it only ability checks or anything involving the stat?

[past latch]

there's gotta be a dragon somewhere that just works as an accountant and hits up the taverns on weekends

[knotty pasture]

Druid has more spells that need concentration and has stiff competition with PWT, leave PWT to the Ranger

[hot marlin]

Although I do have to wonder: Are adventurers even taxed? Like... How? They don't rent land to the lords like peasants. It's a polytheistic setting, they wouldn't have to pay church tithes. They don't own land in cities and are therefore not part of the town charter...
The only thing I could imagine them paying is just, like... Entry tax. Pay when you enter the city or use a bridge or the road.

[tough drift]

Hey guys I’ve just want to ask how do you guys do role playing cause like whenever i’m playing i feel like i’m not doing nearly as much as I want to be doing

[past latch]

reminds me of the tax quest in witcher 3

[knotty pasture]

Enhance Ability is w/e, it addresses your bad luck for one and you don't have to beg the Wizard to have it on you 24/7 if you take it yourself

But if you trust the Wizard to give it to you semi permanently, feel free to skip

[remote wadi]

I'll... ugh-

I'll take PWT and EA for now. I can always change it again next level up if need be

[fossil hollow]

i dont think most cities care about adventurers unless theyre holed up in a city

[past latch]

wdym by not nearly as much?

[remote wadi]

Is it ability checks only?

[knotty pasture]

No there's a bit more to it, read up the ability description

[tough drift]

I mean that I want to do more role playing as my charcter but i’m doing that much of it

[knotty pasture]

Based on the Enhance Ability attribute you get advantage in rolls related to those skills, plus some extra perks if you chose str/dex/con Enhance Ability

[past latch]

what's stopping you?

[hot marlin]

Not adventurers specifically. But in theory, you pay for passing by the town gates and crossing the bridges and using the roads and entering the markets and using the ports.

[fossil hollow]

ah yeah

[remote wadi]

I am aware of the secondary effects, I just want to know if the advantage applies to just ability checks or other rolls involving the stat

[fossil hollow]

but i feel tolls are different from taxes

[knotty pasture]

It applies to all rolls

[hot marlin]

Yeah. Then no taxes for adventurers, just tolls.

[knotty pasture]

You can even use Enhance Ability like a selfish version of PWT

[past latch]

taxing adventurers could be a niche then ig

[hot marlin]

Assuming an economy somewhat like medieval england, some people may be exempt from tolls. Like clergy (probably only clergy of religions approved of by the state), certain guild members, royal officials and nobles

[remote wadi]

Attack rolls, ability checks, and saves. Got it

[fringe ledge]

running my first ever homebrew campaign, kinda nervous

[knotty pasture]

Not attack rolls I don't think

But ability checks and saves sure, though since its concentration there's a non 0 chance concentration breaks

[tough drift]

Rather than playing as my charcter i feel like i’m just making them do i want to do and i’m not very great at just taking the intiative and interacting

[remote wadi]

I guess that could help

[knotty pasture]

It definitely helps, just use Eagle's Splendor on yourself and be a patchwork face for your team

[remote wadi]

Although it's annoying that it only helps with 1 at a time. Could use it for Strength, but then be left wide open to Dex or possibly Chr

[fringe ledge]

I think you can play that to your strength. Self-inserting yourself into your character and imgaine yourself being there along with sharing the same past/backstories with your character. Its you, but kinda like an alternate version of you in a diffrent universe

[remote wadi]

Murphy's Law may as well be my autobiography at this point

[past latch]

ahh yeah i get that problem a lot too, especially when we do combat

[knotty pasture]

I mean sure but at that point may as well play a campaign where you and the enemy auto get nat 20s

[past latch]

not that it's always a bad thing, think it would only be so if it directly contradicts the character

[worn lagoon]

finding a cool looking campaign only to find out it was ai generated is a new, 2026-type of agony

[past latch]

sure with experience that you'll improve on it

[remote wadi]

Me or someone else?

[knotty pasture]

You

[past latch]

you gotta live the gimmick

[tough drift]

I’ll try that in my next session tomorrow

Thanks anyways

[past latch]

good luck fam

[fringe ledge]

all the best fam, and have fun!

[past latch]

the most important part

you're only roleplaying wrong if you're not having fun

[meager fractal]

why would you use ai to prepare for your games idgi. Prepping for a game is fun

[fringe ledge]

tbf, my first dnd character uses my actual government name, what more self insert than that

[past latch]

i guess some people too lazy?

[timid current]

and AI is a tool of the uncreative/uninteresting

I don't know why anyone would want to play in a game where the DM doesn't even care enough to use their own creativity

or at least a human's creativity.

[hushed mason]

The predictive text can take a "stream of consciousness" type of data entry and make it into something that kind of makes sense.

[past latch]

i am way better at avoiding self-inserts when i do text-only since i can actually read what im gonna say, but all bets are off on real time

[fringe ledge]

someone become the victim of the dragon again 😭

[west drum]

having kinda messy black hair and a harem?

[past latch]

I don't know why anyone would want to play a game focused on imagination if they don't want to use their imagination

[livid owl]

I'm really good at mean characters through text but I get nervous doing that with people who don't know me LOL

[past latch]

fair, i can do that in normal conversation but not while roleplaying lol

[past latch]

someone got taxed by the dragon rip

[west drum]

wow u really cant say anything in our campaign

[past latch]

that's how you know it's a good campaign

[fringe ledge]

sometimes, it feel like there's a false hydra in this server

[west drum]

really lets the imagination shine

[past latch]

if you can't say anything about it without getting put on a list

[west drum]

and allows for collaborative discussion in a game about collaborative discussion

[past latch]

yessir!

[worn lagoon]

I was midway through creating a crystal dragonborn wizard too, so, sadge

[meager fractal]

wdym

[past latch]

rn im just trying to design what a heavy armor unarmed monk would look like

[west drum]

ah so thats where the dragons hoard came from

[past latch]

the dragons hoard of gifs

[fringe ledge]

i cant really remember, feels like i said someting, and then its gone cant grasp it, feel like things slipping between my finger

[fringe ledge]

Imagine your party raid a Dragon lair, who revealed to be a techno geek and its lair is just full of servers of nfts and gifs

[west drum]

and my pc mr. gif, kirito is in there, wow now i know what im doing next session

[knotty pasture]

Do you worship Shar by any chance

[past latch]

if i saw a dragon hoarding nfts i would just leave, there is nothing worth stealing

[rugged hawk]

No no, you try and sell the dragon more nfts

[past latch]

so that you can charge the dragon taxes

[fringe ledge]

THe dragon wil then become defensive and start lecturing you about arcane blockchain, and how every lot in the weave is serialized by mystra and cannot be replicate etc etc 🤣

[rugged hawk]

And that's quite enough, thanks. I can feel brain cells dying as I read that.

[past latch]

i would prefer the chomping to death tbh

[fringe ledge]

The toughest opponent there is... A Techbro Dragon

[timid current]

techbros aren't tough, they're annoying.

[fringe ledge]

"Just disntegrate me already" while the dragon still yap about MystraCoin

[rugged hawk]

That's just Deadpool and whatshisface while the walking tin can was preaching peace, harmony, and forgiveness.

[woven flint]

MystraCoin pisses me off, thanks for ruining my day /joking

[fringe ledge]

"No No you dont get it mortal, Today 1 MystraCoin might cost you 100gp, but 10 thousand year for now, it will be 1 billion gp"

[past latch]

"hold. hold. don't sell."

[jaunty wyvern]

No no no you fraud you said that same thing about MystrylCoin right before the rug pull

[fringe ledge]

"I saw economy collapse, dont make the same mistake as Midas boi, hold it, dont sell"

[woven flint]

I'm dying inside

[small heath]

Meanwhile the Bard:

"$10. Take it or leave it."

[hot marlin]

And the question remains: Why would someone buy that?

[fringe ledge]

The dragon is named Ponzigaron, and it keep trying to either convinve you to buy MystraCoin, or join its mlm scheme

[small heath]

Just a NFT of Tiamat

[jaunty wyvern]

Vecna’s treasure hoard is just a crystal with 100 MystraCoin

[past latch]

the real reason is why someone wouldn't! now invest your life savings on tiamatcoin today

i always knew my business classes would come in handy one day

[jaunty wyvern]

Venger would like a word

[past latch]

the dragon recruited the local band of goblins into its pyramid scheme

[fringe ledge]

Ponzigaron: "Its an investment, trust me bro. Remember that ruined kingdom you explore last session? yeah they become like that because their economy collapsed and their self-minted coin become useless. Buy from me, im a dragon, i can keep it in value for years!!!"

[small heath]

The servers are being ran by a bunch of kobold IT guys

[hot marlin]

Anyways, the only rational answer to this dragon is disintegrate

[small heath]

Banish the dragon for a bit, take his crypto, and gtfo

[fringe ledge]

Ponzigaron uses legendary action; consuming 1000 MystraCoin to resurrect itself

"its a paid service"

🤣

[small heath]

No lowkey this could work in my main campaign

[woven flint]

They're still talking about MystraCoin 😭

[past latch]

it's a valid investment that's all i'm saying

[small heath]

The concept is that the party are all digital copies of their original selfs, being sent to different worlds and timelines to fix the problems.

[fringe ledge]

its a filler session, Ponzigaron and the Pyramid of Schemes

[small heath]

Manifested in real form.

[hot marlin]

OK that's... That's literally how some dragon magic actually works

[woven flint]

I'd rather get BhaalCoin tbh

[small heath]

So we could run into a techno geek NFT Mystracoin dragon that's like behind it all

Pull an Ender's Game.

[woven flint]

It's more reliable because it goes up everytime someone gets murdered

BhaalCoin enthusiasts are rich right now

[rough basalt]

We takin Bhaalcoin all the way to the moon

[past latch]

and you can threaten them by saving their nfts as pngs

[fringe ledge]

war between the gods in faerun later turn into them trying to startup a shitcoin and outsell other god's shitcoin

[woven flint]

Straight to the moon!!!!

[small heath]

All the cultists selling their "get rich quick" scheme

[jaunty wyvern]

KILL THE MOON

[wanton sorrel]

welp i'm happy on steam i just got free stuff dlc from pathfinder: wrath of the righteous!!!!

[woven flint]

Exactly lmao

[past latch]

oh no, the gods turned corporate

[small heath]

My kobold sorcerer has high charisma so deception and persuasion 😉

[jaunty wyvern]

The gods were always corporate

[small heath]

What if the gods themselves is the pyramid scheme?

[past latch]

makes sense that clerics are so powerful then, they're nepobabies

[small heath]

Literally the illuminati.

[jaunty wyvern]

Ao’s get quick rich scheme

[fringe ledge]

work in the Pyramid schemes as the main call center sellsman

[past latch]

their dads are the ceo

[small heath]

What if my kobold is the head of the scheme?!

Plot twist!!!!

Small kobold is really a scamming multi billionaire the whole time!

[woven flint]

I find it funny that Waterdeep being the city with some of the harshest punishments.. is also the one with the most crime lmao

[fringe ledge]

Im predicting it now, watch next year this exact same contents published in the next dnd book. Ponzigaron, The Pyramid, everything

[past latch]

they're doing it for the love of the game at this point

[small heath]

A bit off topic but that's funny how you said that because in my BG3 run with my DM we just started act 2

[fringe ledge]

the punishment becomes a call to the challenges

[small heath]

So we got to meet the waterdeep wizard talking to gale

[past latch]

"our very strength invites challenge"

[wanton sorrel]

I'm not very good with BG3 sadly

[jaunty wyvern]

I gotta get out of this rat hole city I’m moving to Sigil

[woven flint]

WaterdeepCoin is next in the market, goes up each time a crime is committed in Waterdeep

[jaunty wyvern]

Theres no way Waterdeep’s crime rate holds a candle to baldurs gate cmon now

[humble cairn]

Waterdeep is already a cryptocracy, technically.

[woven flint]

What? 👀

[humble cairn]

Rule by secret

[small heath]

"Good. Here's a Terrasque. Gl"

[humble cairn]

The Masked Lords are the lawmakers and their identities are magically enforced secrets.

[jaunty wyvern]

The Open Lord is a just a cryptobro

[humble cairn]

The only lawmaker whose identity is known is the Open Lord. My husband calls her The Open Faced Lord, like a sandwich.

[fringe ledge]

The Mass Server for every crypto shitcoin of the gods is under waterdeep. The reason it was name waterdeep is because how deep the server is in the water as cooling system

[small heath]

Someone make a campaign based on crypto currency.

[woven flint]

There's like ... so many evil organizations in Waterdeep
Also, I believe one of Zhentarims main base of operations is in waterdeep as well lmao

[small heath]

Id love to join that

[woven flint]

ZhentarimCoin

[past latch]

the pancake lord

[jaunty wyvern]

The black network is all over the sword coast

I wouldn’t be surprised if they owned a private retreat in Moonshae

[small heath]

D&D but its really Code Lyoko

[humble cairn]

Technically Skullport, whichi s below Waterdeep.

[fringe ledge]

Vecna trynna startup his own crypto but the gods sabotaged him

[broken imp]

but kinda the samething, no?

[jaunty wyvern]

Infinite time = infinite growth becoming a lich is just a good financial decision

[woven flint]

WAIT, Wait...
What about LolthCoin?
DrowCoin?

[fringe ledge]

what have i done

[humble cairn]

Poisonous and disappears in sunlight.

[past latch]

the plot of stranger things season 6

[small heath]

What if a lich literally departed his soul into crypto

[woven flint]

Pay for your sins.

[small heath]

And you have to crash the market to kill him

[dusky briar]

Falactary of LichCoin

[jaunty wyvern]

That would mean the houses of menzoberanzan would have to agree on the value of something

[humble cairn]

Phylactery

[humble cairn]

No, see they would love it because it's rife for manipulation.

[cunning tendon]

guys i got my first dnd game ever tonight im so excited🥳

[woven flint]

FireballCoin, everytime a wizard Casts Fireball, investors in fireball coin get blown up

[jaunty wyvern]

Youre so right

[fringe ledge]

all started from Pozigaron trying to sell people MystraCoin, now the other gods got jealous and trying to follow the trend 😭

[small heath]

Have fun, ask questions, and dont be afraid to "be in character"

[woven flint]

Perish, foul Tarnished

[cunning tendon]

its a oneshot and the dm and made characters so luckily i dont have to worry about the "hard stuff"

[humble cairn]

Influencing the value of LolthCoin would become a game, until Lolth Herself becomes involved.

[small heath]

Anyways gn chat

[jaunty wyvern]

For every point increase a male drow gets cocooned

[cunning tendon]

if theres a barbarian with big weapons, im immediately going for that

[woven flint]

I get to play my Centaur Barbarian soon 🧐

[lapis shadow]

ah hello

[broken imp]

Hi~

[lapis shadow]

I wanted to asm

ask Is there a section here to find a group to play or maybe some site

[jaunty wyvern]

Yep #looking-for-players is a good start

[broken imp]

#find-a-game

[lapis shadow]

do they have like newbie games?

[fringe ledge]

how to make playing dnd online fun and not awkward?

[past latch]

the awkwardness IS the fun

embrace the current or be washed away

[cunning tendon]

is dnd supposed to be like a drama improv thing with numbers

[jaunty wyvern]

If you want it to be

[past latch]

dnd can be whatever you want it to be

[cunning tendon]

that would be really fun

[jaunty wyvern]

Ive seen campaigns with no roleplay and just combat

And vice versa

[past latch]

ive been in campaigns where people roleplay through combat

[cunning tendon]

i imagine some really well designed dungeons can be fun as hell to explore

what are some really fun well designed dungeons?

[jaunty wyvern]

Yes start with tomb of annihilation

But on an actual note Dungeon of the Mad Mage is great

[lapis shadow]

I mean like any one is fine for me I want to try the fight even if its just against some wolfs

[cunning tendon]

i have seen videos of the tomb of horrors 💔

[jaunty wyvern]

ToH is like not fun

Annihilation is just hard

[cunning tendon]

this probably gets thrown around a lot but it really does just look like a dark souls level but somehow more tedious

[lapis shadow]

just saw the newbies chat haha

[eager marsh]

Horrors is designed for you to either leave, or just be unrealistically stubborn so you can suffer/die. Annihilation actually has stakes, story, and more engaging traps that are still deadly

[broken imp]

dnd horror is hard though

the best one i've seen was monkey dm's 7 candle idea

[cunning tendon]

wasnt there a rumour that dungeon was made just to purposely kill off overly op characters that annoyed the author

map, dungeon, tomato tomato

[eager marsh]

That's nota rumor thats factual. He took it to a major con and said anyone that died as he ran it handed over their sheets from home. He left with a huge stack

[rough basalt]

Man i need dnd

[eager marsh]

also ToH isnt really 'horror' it's just suffering. Curse of Strahd is a horror campaign

[jaunty wyvern]

Oops you triggered a boulder trap and you die

[cunning tendon]

that explains a lot of the design

how would a dm manage to elicit horror without gratuitous shock or gross factor

[jaunty wyvern]

Horror is primarily defined by stakes

[eager marsh]

CoS handles it with sandboxing higher threats that players are intended to realize they cant fight and in many cases need to flee or get distractions

The players being outclassed is a common element for horror

[cunning tendon]

ah so its that feeling of helplessness

[hushed mason]

I believe Heroes of Horror has some suggestions.

[uncut zenith]

It’s horrors from the characters’ POV, but most aggravation from the players’ POV

[jaunty wyvern]

Strahd is horror themed not horror.

[eager marsh]

That depends on teh player, but the average player likely wouldnt like that unless its explicitly covered session 0. which CoS should do

[jaunty wyvern]

Strahd? More like Frauhd

[eager marsh]

Facts. Bro deserves his suffering

[jaunty wyvern]

Barovia should be embarrassed

[empty thicket]

I was in some horror campaigns

got killed in 2 of them, has played 2

[past latch]

yeah, informed consent always good

[empty thicket]

Always last tho, you are giga weaker like a player, still can fight but dont expect winning a lot and intact

[uncut zenith]

That’s kinda how most horror themed stuff works in D&D. Fear is stuff that you’re supposed to roleplay in-character, but it’s not so much something that’s supposed to be scary to the players. Unless you go out of your way to do a really immersive campaign.

[past latch]

delicate balance between scary and annoying

[jaunty wyvern]

Wanna add some horror to your games in a super easy way? Don’t tell the players the name of the spell youre castong

[empty thicket]

No wait, i was in 3
I died in 2 and survived in 1

[eager marsh]

That's just normal games?

[jaunty wyvern]

Especially for open ended spells like phastasmal killer

[uncut zenith]

RAW you’re not supposed to be doing that anyways

[jaunty wyvern]

I know some dms that do so I thought id mention it

[eager marsh]

Unless it's a spell a player actively knows/prepares, I wont name the spell since they wont recognize the cast

[uncut zenith]

XGTE actually introduced an optional rule for how to identify a spell as it’s being cast

[eager marsh]

imagine using a reaction to identify teh spell you can't stop or counterspell now because you wasted the reaction

[uncut zenith]

Even then I won’t do it, cuz every caster casts a spell differently

[cunning tendon]

everytime something scary happens in the game, you go up to the players and electric shock them

tie them down to an electric chair

[empty thicket]

"oh look, this (instert name of spell) will obliterate me and turn me into ashes, Amazing!!"

[jaunty wyvern]

Lay a nerf gun next to your dm screen

[broken imp]

i personally think player paranoia is better then most horror

[empty thicket]

Yep, the more the player know, the more it fear

[still magnet]

hi

[jaunty wyvern]

I did a trick where I got with a player beforehand who got kidnapped by a shapechanger and got replaced. All I had to do is inform them of shapechangers to get them to suspect each othr

[past latch]

the greatest horror is the one you imagine

[eager marsh]

And even by that rights, the variant rule to recognize no longer makes sense. If someone casts teh same spell differently, no arcana check can recognize something that isnt consistent

[broken imp]

also there's smt called a gas spore, a mushroom that looks like a beholder, but dies in 1 hit from anything, super funny if the player kept shooting down the fake ones, then hit a real one

[jaunty wyvern]

I know Whistle Bard from Crooked Moon has a built in DC to resist having a spell being identified while its being cast

Its like a whole feature once you get the subclass

[eager marsh]

sounds redundant. enemies (like players) would never want to waste the reaction to try and identify teh spell

[broken imp]

i believe that there a spell that prevent div spells from identifying the item that it was cast on

[uncut zenith]

Also, if I have my reaction and an enemy is casting a spell mid-combat, I’m probably just gonna counterspell if it looks like a big deal anyways

[broken imp]

yes i know right

[eager marsh]

Or just Absorb Elements if you aren't a counterspell caster/dont have those slots

[jaunty wyvern]

Whats the thoughts on Counterspell being a Con Save now

[uncut zenith]

If the lich points a finger at me to cast a spell, I’m not gonna burn a reaction to try and identify it, then just sit there and take it

[broken imp]

div wiz are stronger, and so if silvery barbs

[eager marsh]

New Counterspell is better for players because enemies using it wont cost the player slots, but using it on enemies is still just as good. You can also get higher level spells denied just as easily without upcasting it now.

[jaunty wyvern]

Silvery Barbs needed the buff

[uncut zenith]

I think it’s better. There’s the chance at failure, and as a player you no longer have to try and guess what level a spell is being cast at

[eager marsh]

Barbs is a reaction. So is Counterspell. You cant do both as a single caster anyways

[broken imp]

i know right, and it sounded so much better on paper

[past latch]

my favorite identify spell is using the paladin as a human shield

[eager marsh]

Making Divination Wizard potentially better at counterspelling is cool and I like it (i say with bias)

[uncut zenith]

Silvery Barbs is also technically a setting specific spell, so I wouldn’t assume it’s available at all tables anyway

[broken imp]

i mean i think so too, but i also main div wiz, so...

[jaunty wyvern]

Strix is just a magic school its hardly setting specific like an ebberon feat

[eager marsh]

I am playing a Div wizard sundays, but my prefered school is necromancy...as underloved as it is

[jaunty wyvern]

Tasha that harlot ruined necromancy for years

[eager marsh]

Strix is technically a setting. It's a literal Plane from MTG it's just explicitlyu D&D connected and technically can access any setting legally

[uncut zenith]

It’s very much a setting, even if it can fit in any other setting. If the DM says, “No Strixhaven content”, that includes Silvery Barbs.

[eager marsh]

Tasha had nothing to do with Necromancy suffering. 5e devs fearing it since 3.5 made it good is the issue

[past latch]

same. i love having minions

[stoic storm]

Hi, I’m new here

[broken imp]

necro wizard can have infinite hp, idk why no one talks about it though

[stoic storm]

I was interested in joining a group I do have some ideas of what I want to join in a group. I want to role-play and have deep lore about the characters and surroundings. but also, I would like to share my art and make new friends.

[hidden spindle]

Infinite?

[eager marsh]

Because that sounds like rule skirting nonsense and not the actual minion master fantasy you play necromancer for

[broken imp]

#dnd-lore #find-a-game #dnd-arts-and-crafts

[jaunty wyvern]

Are we talking about that UA Necro?

If so yea but thats like half baked at most

[stoic storm]

Thank you I hope you all have a good day

[broken imp]

i mean... yeah, but by RAW it's real, incured to death make it so that ur max hp can't be reduced, so if u use some spell to temp increase ur max hp, it shouldn't go lower

most dms ban it though

[jaunty wyvern]

Yea thats the UA necro I think thats gonna be fixed

Or at least reworded

RAI I think is for resisting health drain effects not Aid spam

[broken imp]

i think they should fix it, but also buff necro wizard

[broken imp]

yes

[eager marsh]

That isnt true

Casting Aid and having it end isn't an effect reducing your max HP. The effect is specifically ending

[jaunty wyvern]

Its rules skirting

[eager marsh]

No that feature is 2014 Necro. The most recent UA Necro doesnt have it

[broken imp]

but the result is that ur max hp is lowered

[jaunty wyvern]

Oh? I need to study up on my UA then

[eager marsh]

irrelevant. And a bad faith reading so it's not even a valid argument

[wanton sorrel]

0_0 what core books do you guys use these days? the 2014 or the 2024?

[jaunty wyvern]

Both

[eager marsh]

2024. Anything not reprinted from 2014 is legal use

[jaunty wyvern]

I feel like im in the minority when I say I like 2024 more than 2014 but there are some changes I don’t like

[broken imp]

i mostly use the 2014 because i'm too lazy to buy the full 2024 set, also i'm poor

[jaunty wyvern]

Thats where 2014 comes in

[hidden spindle]

Both. Especially both '14 & '24 DMG.

[hidden spindle]

There's free rules that cover most of it

[broken imp]

yes, but i don't like some of the character and background reworks

[empty thicket]

from what im seeing 2024 fix lot of things from 2014. Still i feel some kind of tick in some way

[broken imp]

i know, the dnd 2024 basic rules, right? that the only 2024 one i use though

[eager marsh]

You’re not at all. Most people I see or talk to agree that most changes are strictly better

[wanton sorrel]

ah ok. Becuase I was wondering about it for a while now.

[jaunty wyvern]

This is a weird pick but I audibly pogged when I saw the new Chromatic Orb

I just like the aesthetic

[hidden spindle]

What does that sound like?

[jaunty wyvern]

Oughhhh with a twist of awe

[broken imp]

lol, some of the spells are ehh.. but some of the others are like quite different

[jaunty wyvern]

Circle casting is the only thing from 2024 i explicitly avoid in any serious campaign

[hidden spindle]

I like what they did with Ritual Spells and have everyone who can prepare it the ability to Ritual Cast

[glass granite]

I just don’t know it, so i don’t use it.

[jaunty wyvern]

That was a home rule that everyone I knew did so it felt natural

[eager marsh]

Circle casting isn’t really game breaking since doing it in combat would require multiple characters to dedicate their turns for a single spell. Doing it with utility spells is a nice way to include teamwork tho during regular play between the casters

[humble cairn]

A lot of the changes were like that. Like Bonus Action Potions.

[hidden spindle]

But now you can't Ready action potions

[broken imp]

yes, my party was so surprised when i told then that bonus action potions wasn't in the rules

[broken imp]

u can't? i never knew... but i don't use potions much anyways

[humble cairn]

Can you not use a potion as a general utilise action?

[jaunty wyvern]

Thats the thing, you would never really need to enter combat because you would annihilate anything that so much as showed any sort of aggression

[humble cairn]

Circle Casting mostly means that, given some prep time, casters can annihilate unsuspecting communities with huge area effects they can't avoid.

Which is honestly more a villain move.

[hidden spindle]

Its cause you can only Ready: actions or a move up to your Speed. Can't ready Bonus Actions

[eager marsh]

None of the circle cast options increase the actual output of damage on the spells. And typically players aren’t in positions where they can see a would be threat from hundreds of feet away to just long range aoe spells on a would be encounter

[midnight lodge]

[broken imp]

the main problem i think is that they can do that for EVERYTHING, unless u magic-proof everything they see

[hushed mason]

Is this Thayan/Rashemen circle casting?

[eager marsh]

Well for starters getting a cult of 20+ spellcasters to make a single huge fireball cast to nuke a small village doesn’t really benefit you usually

[jaunty wyvern]

Damage isn’t everything there are spells that default kill just by themselves

Imagine force wall microwave but with both spells having a range of 1000 feet each

[broken imp]

no, but u can do that for the major landmarks that u know there a 90% chance will have smt

[eager marsh]

Wall of force microwave isn’t a thing

Major landmarks are usually protected from vandalism in general or you have the nearest government contracting not tied for your heads.

[hushed mason]

omg... I want a Wall of Force Microwave.

[jaunty wyvern]

The microwave combo has been a joke for years now? How come it doesn’t exist?

[broken imp]

that's true, or if my party encountered this, they will probably nuke the governmaent first, or what ever police force there is

[jaunty wyvern]

Sickening Radiance + Wall of Force or even force cage if you’re feeling spicy

[broken imp]

it's a thing, but have a lot of req of ur doing circle casting with it, because of the spell levels

[hidden spindle]

What about a giant Silence area?

[worn lagoon]

Would it make sense to assume that militaristic dragonborn parents begrudgingly sending their son to wizard school might push him to pursue profitable, easily employed schools of magic like divination?

[jaunty wyvern]

I’m just using it as an example

[eager marsh]

That’s two separate cone traction spells for starters and turning those isn’t grand scale sizes would need a good number of secondary casters with equally malicious intent

[broken imp]

kinda, how would u build the rest of ur backstory

[eager marsh]

Generally that’s less realistic on the average circumstance than you think

[hushed mason]

I don't see how one leads to the other.

[jaunty wyvern]

You would need four casters total to make both spells 1000 feet

Two for each thats normal party size

Again this is a lavish example

[worn lagoon]

Warrior people who don't think too deeply about wizardry in general caring about what'll earn their son the most money instead of recognizing that each school of magic has its own value?

Seers make big bucks after all

[broken imp]

yes, but make sure to have a reason for sending off him in the first place

[jaunty wyvern]

Wasn’t it said somewhere that Dborn have a tendency to have draconic sorcery?

[eager marsh]

You mean range not aoe I assume

[jaunty wyvern]

Yes

[hushed mason]

I would assume they'd still be trying to get them to pursue a militaristic approach and think of the "greater good", ie: service in the military.

[eager marsh]

Range doesn’t make them any more problematic than the same people hiding in a crowd do cast then dipping with dimension door

[worn lagoon]

Yeah, it's like "if you're too weak and cowardly to continue the family tradition, at least provide for the family"

[broken imp]

and there's also cover too, right?

[worn lagoon]

pushing him to war magic/evocation also makes sense from that point of view, maybe

[jaunty wyvern]

Assuming its even an option

[hushed mason]

Pushing him into whatever kind of caster the war effort most needs is what they'd do. That could be enchantment/illusion/divination/beguiler-territory for a spy.

[eager marsh]

Basically circle casting is cool but not as world breaking as believed

Magic terrorism would still be just as frequently a risk as without it

[broken imp]

i see, i think (with more details) this would be an excellent story, but remember to link it with ur background. div wiz has a lot of build potential too

[jaunty wyvern]

Its cool dont get me wrong but its just so much option while martials get nothing

[eager marsh]

People high enough level to cast problematic spells with circle casting also have the means to dip/escape regardless

[jaunty wyvern]

Weapon mastery is fun but nowhere near as impactful

[eager marsh]

Weapon mastery is also a baseline rule circle casting is an optional bonus not a class feature

[jaunty wyvern]

Im discussing it as if its being allowed

[worn lagoon]

I've established that this dragonborn clan has experienced great financial hardship in the past, so knowing that a seer or a transmuter earns a lot would push them to get that use out of a "too cowardly to fight" son

[jaunty wyvern]

Oooo time to push the Mercantile Bard agenda

[worn lagoon]

That's a thing?

[jaunty wyvern]

Gamble your party away with this one simple trick

Yes and its so funny

[eager marsh]

I would allow it just fine. Martials are stronger than ever in 2024 rules and a proper adventuring day lets their consistent value and output matter more against casters

[jaunty wyvern]

You get a coin that you can use to attack and stuff and you can make your inspiration a coin flip. On heads you get the max roll and on tails the DM gets to use it

Its very underpowered but by god do I love gambling

I think its from the Griffin book? I forgot its actual name

Griffins Saddlebag

[worn lagoon]

wait there's a better channel for character disc

[knotty pasture]

I thought it was the other way around

Martials are weaker in 2024 than 2014 overall

[jaunty wyvern]

All characters got some sort of power level buff

Casters are still on top but martials can actually stand a chance now

[rare palm]

Are all the games paid in this server

[jaunty wyvern]

No

[rare palm]

Thx

[knotty pasture]

My understanding was that the strongest martials got nerfed and the weakest got buffed

But even the strongest martials in 2014 can't compete with spellcasters, so this ends up in an overall martial nerf

[jaunty wyvern]

Most everything got buffed to some degree

Certain playstyles were nerfed but nothing feels any worse to play

Like monk’s stunning strike becoming once a turn

[eager marsh]

Paladin was only nerfed in the capacity that they aren’t the single best nova damage in the game anymore and that was a healthy change

[past latch]

oh that's neat, i can spam more liver shots

[jaunty wyvern]

Weren’t auras changed too? Other than being called Emanations now

I know they didnt remove AoP there would be riots in the streets

[warm summit]

People really like to power scale classes against each other and organize them into tiers and kinda get lost in the weeds with it. It forgets that the PCs are supposed to be working together

[eager marsh]

Auras were not functionally altered but some were adjusted. Ancients paladin aura isn’t the objectively best anymore since it’s now just damage resistance to a few damage types and not ‘all spells ever’

[limber trail]

Nah most martials are better across the board. Some absurd power spikes got tuned down a little, but basically all martials are now more versatile and can do more in general

[jaunty wyvern]

If you put the time into understanding Weapon Mastery every martial feels like playing Battle Master for the first time lmao

Except ranger

[timid current]

fighters and barbarians get so much more to do than they used to

[limber trail]

Most of those nerfs really also just come down to not being able to do everything in one round

I played a 2014 paladin who was ported to 2024 and let me tell you I had way more fun playing 2024

[reef copper]

If you include circle casting i can see casters possibly outshining martial classes in 24 but 24 has stronger martials for general combat i would say

[jaunty wyvern]

Ranger will be reworked one day. Be strong my son

[past latch]

i wonder what they could be reworked into

[timid current]

fighter subclass

[past latch]

lmao

[jaunty wyvern]

If bard is magical jack of all trades i feel like they could do pretty good as the martial side

[past latch]

rangers get demoted

[limber trail]

Fighters are kinda that

[jaunty wyvern]

Exactly

[eager marsh]

Bard should have been a 2/3 caster like 3.5 imo. I still dislike them being full casters

[lean wigeon]

i do enjoy how media like ESO and Draw Steel (mostly) make it so class mainly dictates what type of magic they're good at. all classes are casters. problem solved

[jaunty wyvern]

Remove fighter

[past latch]

monk cast fist

[jaunty wyvern]

Ranger is the more potent amoeba it is only right that fighter be consumed

[limber trail]

I think this works for some settings but I do fully understand how some people don’t really wanna do magic in a ttrpg

[lean wigeon]

cant have martial-caster divide if you just don't let players make mundane martials in the first place

[merry crane]

Ello any 5e runs

[timid current]

if that's fun for your table go hard in the paint

[eager marsh]

Martials should just have more superhuman feats in general

[jaunty wyvern]

Go my level 3 human fighter Tomb of Horrors and valhalla awaits

[past latch]

me fr

[timid current]

fighter is really solid

[warm summit]

Nah that's silly at its core there are really three classes and everything falls somewhere in between them, that's like removing yellow from the color wheel in favor of green

[past latch]

i want to make my life harder

[jaunty wyvern]

Fighter is yellow? Everyone knows fighter is maroon

[limber trail]

(I agree with you but I want you to know there are definitely spaces which would vehemently argue green is more important than yellow)

[past latch]

instead of alignment charts we use color wheels now

[limber trail]

(Fighter is blue btw)

[jaunty wyvern]

[past latch]

bard is rainbow

[limber trail]

Bard is yellow

[jaunty wyvern]

Bard is pink what

[warm summit]

Which is fine, I prefer green to yellow though what I was getting it more is that yellow is a primary color, you can't have green without yellow

[past latch]

also coincidentally the color of the crayons fighter mains prefer eating /j

[jaunty wyvern]

We can all agree wizard is blue at least right

[past latch]

i can see that

[jaunty wyvern]

And druid green

[limber trail]

Oh I’m not talking about opinion - there are a lot of real world cases where the opposite is true, such as computer science & screen technology where green is one of the primary colours and not yellow.

[past latch]

fighter/rogue/wizard should prob be primary colors

[jaunty wyvern]

Thats like printers using Magenta and Cyan like what

[warm summit]

Oop this is my fault for the color c analogy

[jaunty wyvern]

Barbarian has to be red though

[fickle heart]

Additive color mixing, my beloved.

[past latch]

maybe fighters just shouldnt have a color, they are transparent

[jaunty wyvern]

They are brown imo

[past latch]

oh yeah brown fits

[jaunty wyvern]

If fighter is brown what the hell is ranger

[limber trail]

Ykno, i get why it doesn’t exist, it’s always surprised me that there isn’t a feat that gives the Siege Monster trait (deal double damage to objects and structures) because it feels like it could be really fun in some campaigns

[past latch]

what color do you get when you mix green and brown

[jaunty wyvern]

Theres an ebberon monk that gets it

Your fists become considered adamantine weapons that deal double damage to inanimate objects

[limber trail]

That’s cool

[past latch]

we just throw the dwarf

[limber trail]

Yucky green

[past latch]

dirty green fits for ranger

[jaunty wyvern]

Catapult the battlerager’s armor and watch them fly

I really wish it worked that way

[limber trail]

Now see this implies that there’s battlerager barbarians out there

[jaunty wyvern]

Actually speaking of, is it telling that in every campaign ive been a player in I usually become the one thats thrown at the enemy?

Even if im playing a medium/large race

[past latch]

maybe you just look throwable in person

[jaunty wyvern]

I think the most throwable character I’ve ever played was a bhaalspawn kobold (before the release of bg3 mind you)

They kinda just tossed me and I latched on like a rabid raccoon

[empty thicket]

the idea of throwing my goblin artificer crossed in my mind before, Not so good idea

[humble cairn]

I don't think this pans out with how things feel. They made what gap there was smaller.

[empty thicket]

look buddy, at this point. They are in 2 parallel lines
Casters are casters and Martials are martials

[umbral girder]

Meanwhile Rangers and Paladins in the middle

[empty thicket]

Martials can be monsters in skirmishes, taking down important targets and most importantly, being a constant dps

[empty thicket]

yep, those 2 are... in a middle line and its kinda problematic

Like, they still use principally martial attacks for apply damage

but use spells for upgrade those attacks, upgrade themselves or an ally or stuff like that. They dont get too much or any "offensive" spell by itself

[humble cairn]

Enough to be useful in a pinch.

[empty thicket]

Yeah, they can still maintain their ground in a no magic area.

[humble cairn]

I definitely have used Conjure Barrage effectively in certain situations.

[jaunty wyvern]

Opinion invalid now look up and watch the pretty lights swirl in the air

[glossy plover]

Idk if this is the right place for this, but I’m a teen, and I wanna dm. I think I know a good amount (modifiers, combat mechanics like initiative, actions, bonus actions) and I think I know how to get stats etc. it would be my first time actually dming for other people. Would this server be good for that? Idk if this is the right discussion to say this in

[umbral girder]

It’s amusing how much summoning and AOEs Ranger gets compared to Artificer and Paladin

[empty thicket]

i will see if my dm let me use that one with a gun

[jaunty wyvern]

Yea I’d recommend running a pre made adventure (You can get Stormwreck Isle for free)

[humble cairn]

I don't see why not, it would be just the same. Just huuuge wide barrel blast.

[empty thicket]

Artificer is.... weird for me
Like, yeah, its a caster that build stuff in theory, build, upgrade, etc. etc.

[glossy plover]

Thanks! I wanna get into doing self made, but definitely smarter to do premade. I think I might actually have some paid ones (my dad used to dm)

[jaunty wyvern]

Im so excited to try out cartographer ngl

[humble cairn]

Remember that each spell they cast can be a different gadget.

[humble cairn]

Me too!!

[umbral girder]

They are more focused on utility than combat is why.

[jaunty wyvern]

Instead of the character actually making the items I wanna just make it so they whip them out of their cluttered bag of holding

[empty thicket]

they would do the bard but in non interaction things in theory
While the bard can talk his way out of some problem with some guards
The artificer can get you fixed a whole steam engine

[empty thicket]

Yeah yeah, they are "supportish"
Like other classes

[jaunty wyvern]

Artillerist would like to have a word

[willow cipher]

is this channel okay for talking about campaigns or is it only for talking about news and mechanics of dnd

[jaunty wyvern]

This is kinda like general dnd stuff

[willow cipher]

okay cool

[umbral girder]

Depends.

[empty thicket]

They get cantrips for cast instead of weapons, so in theory they should be full casters but they get only until lvl 5 spells

[willow cipher]

on whar

[umbral girder]

If it’s about making and running then #dm-discussion is the place.
If it’s an adventure module then #1029833015423143957 would be the place

This channel is mainly for the topics without a channel.

[humble cairn]

They are the most castery of the half casters. But half casters still.

[empty thicket]

Yeah yeah, they have lots of offensive cantrips but not soo much offensive spells from what im seeing.

[humble cairn]

Those come from their subclass.

[jaunty wyvern]

The subclass makes or breaks an artificer it feels like

[humble cairn]

No breaking, so much, but subclass does significantly change play style.

[willow cipher]

okay thanks, how about is lightweight "venting"? i kinda want to complain of stuff not too seriously, i read the rules and didn't find anything about it there but idk if it's okay either

[glass granite]

Does this venting involve spoilers?

[empty thicket]

okey okey, but still, too much offensive cantrips make me think in a way, they wont be using at all weapons

[willow cipher]

nah

[jaunty wyvern]

If you’re having to ask then this is likely not the place for it. There are subreddits though specifically designed for it if you wanna get your mind out

[humble cairn]

I think you can do that by the rules, but if you're telling stories about what happened at your table there is #tales-from-the-table .

[glass granite]

If it’s a story, go to #tales-from-the-table . If it’s not, #dm-discussion

[humble cairn]

By default, no, but Battle Smith, Armorer, and now Artillerist change that.

[empty thicket]

oh wait, true, 2024
i am using a 2014 page, let me check the 24

Amazing crazy house talk ngl

[humble cairn]

Artillerist use to be Cantrip heavy but now it's .. True Strike heavy, ha!

[willow cipher]

i mean it's not a full blown dnd horror story, just our dm disbanded the whole group and blocked us all, no reason as to why

[humble cairn]

That sucks, I'm sorry!

[willow cipher]

i was also kinda wondering if that's common, bc it's the second time this happens to me 😭

(i wasn't singled out, it was the whole party)

[past latch]

nah, think just unfortunate coincidence

[willow cipher]

yeah it kinda sucks, we had characters and everything prepared for our session 1 tomorrow 😭

[willow cipher]

okay cool

[empty thicket]

yeah, true strike got really good for that kind of half casters too or some last resource tool

and with the lvl 5 that it seems you cna literally make a magic pistol

[bronze wave]

It isn’t but I hear of it

[past latch]

one day hope you will find your forever dm

[empty thicket]

I almost got my Dm like a player in another campaign im playing, but he backed up last time

[knotty pasture]

This is probably the easiest way to address this topic, else it'll never truly get anywhere

[willow cipher]

thanks

[woven flint]

My "forever dm" is my worst enemy! /joking

[willow cipher]

why do we have 3 mutual friends 😭

[empty thicket]

its just after thinking about it some time
Seeing possibilities and more.
We cant deny, casters are op in terms of Power, but they lack of survival most of the time. If they use spells for survive they cant use spells for attack.
While martials are:
Figther = Stand your ground, you CANT loose it.
Rogue = first hit of 600 damage
Barbarians = Im an immortal beast
Monks = High mobility//survival and lots of close damage with a fist.

[willow cipher]

that's so rare lol

[woven flint]

I look off in the distance at Ti-Moth, where ever he is
He's probably in bed right now, he has work tomorrow, but his campaigns have had a three-four week hiatus and I'm happy to finally be back in the groove since majority of the campaigns I'm in are his lol

[woven flint]

Dunno, I'm a friend of all, I suppose

I'm a creature of friendship

[knotty pasture]

Casters don't even really need survival cuz there's so many way to address it

[willow cipher]

same

[knotty pasture]

Shield + Absorb Elements + Silvery Barbs continues to dominate, no one's touching you if you lock down an area with aoe anyways

[empty thicket]

Yep, but like i said, using spells instead of using them for attack

[knotty pasture]

The damage output was never the issue cuz I think they could be comparable

[glass granite]

Hi a creature of friendship, I’m Nugget!

[remote wadi]

So, I decided to go back to the DM from last night, explained the why, and apologized for the frustration. Whether it will mean anything is still yet to be determined

[knotty pasture]

Its level 1 spell slots for defense they'll live, and control spells do damage baseline too

[hot gate]

Nice, communication for the win.

[umbral girder]

So long as they have slots.

[remote wadi]

Well, I mean it still could be useless depending on their response, if any

[hot gate]

It's the approach I applaud.

[remote wadi]

The approach?

[glass granite]

Actually going ahead and communicating
I second Deva

[woven flint]

You will perish in 5 milliseconds

[glass granite]

Still alive!

[remote wadi]

I mean, that's basically the bare minimum for me. Only reason I hate it is that there are a few too many times it just leads to wasted time

[empty thicket]

30 // 70
An aoe Spell that can literally no joke Summon a BLACK HOLE and eat everything in the arena.
Do a Madara and summon 4 meteorites and spread chaos.
Other that make the TIME STOP letting them have Free turns without giving reaction to the enemies.

In damage outpost....casters dont have a comparison in potential

[past latch]

the bare minimum is never wasted time for me so good on you

[empty thicket]

BUUUUTTT
That is why i say they cant be compared.

[remote wadi]

I mean for me. Communication is important, but often feels like pulling teeth when you're talking to a person who won't budge

[empty thicket]

Oh and Wish.

[knotty pasture]

Oh yeah if its at those levels its basically over

[past latch]

yeah id rather pull out a tooth than talk to some specific people, gotta know when to cut your losses

[knotty pasture]

I was thinking of T2/T3 games when I was referring to damage output

[woven flint]

I didn't say when, just the timeframe of your demise, dear friend :>

[empty thicket]

tier 2 being lvl 7 to 12?

[remote wadi]

You basically spend several minutes typing and several hours trailing off thinking about what to say and how. And sometimes, that just does nothing for you and makes you feel worse from that

[hot gate]

5 to 10

[remote wadi]

I suppose. Too bad the people most guilty for that are basically impossible to cut off

[empty thicket]

and tier 3 i guess 10 to 15, okey okey.
Yeah, in that point the casters dont get that OWERPOWERED yet.

But the only way to fully counter a caster is overwhelm it drawing first and forcing to play defensive
Or other caster.

[hot gate]

11 to 16
You can see them here:
https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/dnd/br-2024/creating-a-character#TiersofPlay

[glass granite]

Monks are pretty good against casters iirc

[past latch]

you stood by your principles so already a win in my book, no matter the outcome

[past latch]

aint nothing beating casting fist

[glass granite]

A cape of billowing comes close

[hot gate]

That you are communicating in the first place instead of any alternatives.

[remote wadi]

Perhaps. Although I wish I felt satisfied from it

[glass granite]

there’s also sometimes where you owe an apology, even if there’s a high likelihood forgiveness won’t be granted

[past latch]

i feel satisfaction from complaining about it /j

[remote wadi]

I just feel like one could consider simply leaving also a win for them because no more problems caused

Probably not true, but that's the level of self esteem and intrusive thoughts I am working with rn

[knotty pasture]

I mean you communicate to get your point across, you don't only communicate if it will 100% work out

[glass granite]

Leaving is a win sometimes. Hence the saying

[knotty pasture]

Nothing can ever get done otherwise because we usually just don't know what the other side is exactly thinking, and this is assuming compromises = a loss/fail

[hot gate]

In my experience, apologies are beneficial to both parties.

[past latch]

communicate, and if they dont want to, leave

[glass granite]

Me agrees

[remote wadi]

I suppose that's true. Only one way to find out

Just hope this works...

[past latch]

good luck fam

[remote wadi]

. . .

[glass granite]

I’d cast bless but I’m a monk

[tidal bough]

Is this the druid thing again?

[bronze wave]

It sounds like you should just leave imo but gl

I’m more cut and dry Ig

[remote wadi]

I'll bring things up one rapid fire

[hot gate]

Hi agrees, I'm Deva

[empty thicket]

Id cast ceremony but sadly im a fighter

[past latch]

roll for mental damage

[remote wadi]

Don't put me and luck in a sentence together /hs

[hot gate]

Nugget deserves it (they will agree)

[empty thicket]

Trust me, you arent me that get an 1 in attack, use inspiration and get another 1

[remote wadi]

No, this is unrelated. Tried playing something more casual to relax after a rough week, failed miserably against the equivalent of a tutorial boss because luck left the chat long ago

[empty thicket]

Or get a critic and both dices of damage get in the lowerst number making it look like it was a normal attack

[knotty pasture]

If it doesn't work out just leave the table lol at this point idek if you're enjoying dnd

[remote wadi]

This is not related to the current session

Although, Paladin and I both brought up concerns to the DM and according to Paladin, had a serious convo with Druid about iy

[knotty pasture]

Or if the only way for you to enjoy dnd is to play in a heavily homebrewed table where everyone rolls nat 20s only

[glass granite]

150%

[remote wadi]

Again, unrelated table and people vs what happened over the past few weeks. Different DM from before

[glass granite]

What goes around comes around

[bronze wave]

I got nat20 on my d4

[knotty pasture]

Yeah but don't both tables end up with the same issue, that your rolls are bad and the game is unplayable

[empty thicket]

I love my bad luck ngl, it make the good luck moments feel better

[remote wadi]

See, I would feel the same way, but I unfortunately have yet to see good luck from me

[empty thicket]

Then start counting them, if you get X ammount then get yourself an ice cream or smt

[remote wadi]

When playing with others, though... it is quite satisfying to see a plan you made come together. Can't luck my way out, but I can think my way

[empty thicket]

5 nat1 = 1 spoon of chocolate ice cream

[remote wadi]

Too poor, sorry

Plus, I don't get paid until Friday anyways

[empty thicket]

5 nat1 = A bite on the apple, lets dig that healthy diet on you

and you can make lots of desserts with low budget tho
Rice, sugar and milk and that it is

[remote wadi]

Even if neither were a problem, family really doesn't understand the concept of "this is mine, don't touch" until they're in my shoes

[past latch]

that would just make me excited to get nat1s

[remote wadi]

I'll settle for a swig of water

[empty thicket]

You get it, still go for some fruit instead or idk, sip of coffee or smt

Cant say shots of tequila or smt like that because ending up every session with a alcoholic coma isnt good

[remote wadi]

But seriously, if you ever hear why I prefer things I can control to a great extent, now you know

[empty thicket]

Dont worry bud, i know how it is the luck, irl i dont have any.
I should go to a casino but that is a whole outsider story

[remote wadi]

How am I supposed to top a tutorial boss' rolls (just a d20, higher wins, need to win at least 1/4 rounds)

When they didn't roll below a 16 and I didn't roll above a 11

[past latch]

could call it method acting if you're playing a drunken master monk

[remote wadi]

Seriously, the 8 rolls were 20 (yes, a 20 off the bat) vs my 11, 18 vs 8, 16 vs 5, 18 vs 11

I lowkey got humiliated from that

[empty thicket]

Pffff ajjajajajja, it happen. Buddy, its luck, sometimes you have it, others no
Do like i said, start putting a reward to that low numbers and you will exchange that frustration for joy

[remote wadi]

Ironically, haven't had it in a long time

And this is just the tamer examples vs the atrocities I had to witness

Either way, a reward system would be pretty nice if I could afford it. I'll think about it sometime

[empty thicket]

fruits tend to be cheap, some apples, cut it in pieces and that it is

[past latch]

introduce punishments on high rolls to exchange that joy for frustration

[empty thicket]

or tangerines
Most fruits can be, unless you live in idk, deep north where the fruits are expensive

[knotty pasture]

Step on a lego when you get a nat 20

[empty thicket]

No!!

[vale sage]

haiii hello eneryebrbyan

[past latch]

i would be so high off the nat 20 that i would do that in celebration

[remote wadi]

I unfortunately can't really shop that much, as I don't have a vehicle to do so

Making matters worse, eating apples with peanut butter is great, but even that is hard to enjoy because family sees me having a good time and basically goes "nah, we can't have that"

[past latch]

i do not have a gambling problem

[remote wadi]

Hmmm.... still no reply from that person yet... should I be a little concerned?

[past latch]

eh, they'll reply when they want to

don't need to worry about it too much

[remote wadi]

Or if-

[past latch]

exactly, so no point worrying

it will happen if it happens

[remote wadi]

I'm saying if isn't exactly good

[knotty pasture]

Not everyone is glued to their phone 24/7

[remote wadi]

Well, no, but it has been close to 24 hours

Gotta be patient. But sometimes, it's hard not to be concerned

[past latch]

yeah, that's fair

[rough basalt]

Keep desiring to play this paladin I had in mind

[remote wadi]

Gotta finish up my shift. I'd say wish me luck on everything, but...

[past latch]

bad luck on your shift

[remote wadi]

Yeah, now we're talking

[tame estuary]

chill out

[remote wadi]

But seriously. Wish me luck on all this stuff

[past latch]

you have my sword

[knotty pasture]

And you have my Balduran

[reef tundra]

And you have Victoria

[tame estuary]

things really are thr way they are friend, you learn to either be fine with it or do something about it

every single session there will always be like 10 minutes where I have to mute myself because someone comes to the room or someone's making me do something somewhere else

by all means, I am not playing this game during my free time, but I make it happen because I'm both being fine with my situation and doing something about it

[past latch]

actually yeah screw it i feel like going outside good luck gents

[grand onyx]

Hiiiiii! :D

[feral phoenix]

[grand onyx]

How is everyone?

[reef tundra]

Morning. Doing alright

So, so sleepy 😴

[feral phoenix]

I can't eep how are y'all?

[reef tundra]

Seems as if we are in the same boat