dnd-discussion

[worn lagoon]

Selling rights to my body parts for big money sounds good, i won't be using these arms on the other side.

[potent vector]

I mean, buying the corpse from the person before they die. That way it's voluntary

[minor cargo]

There's a key NPC in my home game. She's a necromancer, but she's looking to use necromancy to tend fields and stuff. It's the classic "Can we use zombies to water plants?"

Her corpses are actually people who consent (sign off) on her having their bodies after they die. And she like keeps them generally dressed and stuff to try to perserve their dignity.

In game, her experiments aren't really working - but the party remains hopeful that at some point, they'll make a breakthrough! (and as the DM, I know where the solution to her problems lies 👀)

[severe rampart]

If you ressurect someone, can they still feel pain?

[stark tundra]

Ah the neutral good necromancer I'll offer you one gold in exchange for the rights to your corpse to everyone who's sick and looks like they're gonna die

[valid geyser]

and theres methods to kill goblins that dont involve using corpses, but thats neither here nor there

[undone rain]

So wizards get their powers from books, warlocks from pacts, sorcerers from birth and bards? Music

[worn lagoon]

sorcerers don't always get it from birth

[potent vector]

Imagination, new capstone implies it's close in origin to Creation magic like Power Word spells

[worn lagoon]

something else can change them during their lifetimes bestowing sorcery

[woven flint]

I'm still on the stance that regardless raising undead is a crime against the natural order and is still amoral.

[swift copper]

I'm a dm right. And one of players gave idea to do cosplay of their charachter. Their main npc is dragonborn. How do i cosplay that?

[worn lagoon]

i hate the natural order </3

[inner silo]

Completely true, undead can usually also do other stuff compared to fireball. But yes, necromancy is morally sketchy at best and is kind of insufficient because of how bad most necromancy spells are in dnd

[valid geyser]

yeah i just think that most other forms of magic are less risky and dont involve jumping through as many moral hoops to work

[worn lagoon]

time to get a fursuit

[inner silo]

I'd say enchantment is worse, since it dabbles with live peoples minds and wills but generally yes

[valid geyser]

like, at least with enchantment, one could argue it's no different from any other form causing harm to someone, just replacing bodily harm with mental harm

[undone rain]

What about druids

[swift copper]

They already think that i'm a furry lol

[worn lagoon]

One of us one of us

[inner silo]

I mean, I'm pretty sure it's the school in which all spells do harm to other creatures or have the possibility to do so

[potent vector]

Counterpoint. DND "Nature" still uses "immoral" tactics like Enchantment magic and Undead via fungus

[woven flint]

When the Death Deity above all Death Deities says that undead are abhorrent and is a condemnable offense for when he judges you, I'd say it's pretty bad regardless of how you spin it lol

[valid geyser]

I dont think bless is gonna hurt that many people

[potent vector]

Not against nature, just laws. Unless we fix that by making it voluntary

[lavish flame]

yeah they still feel pain

[inner silo]

Bless is enchantment? I'll nee to reread the spell list

[woven flint]

Thats completely different because we don't hold nature to the standards we do as a humanoid species.
That argument is completely invalid.

[potent vector]

If Druids are the old way of creation magic, Bards are the hip new way is how I see it.

[valid geyser]

i dont even agree with my statement, I just think its an interesting idea to view all magic as tools that are as good or evil as the wielder, and that we view some spells as more evil because of the more unconventional nature of their use and the way they bring harm to someone

[woven flint]

Most creatures in nature aren't as intelligent to know what they're doing is wrong or right and typically don't hold moral values anyway

[vast pelican]

The point is that it can't be "against the natural order" when it's literally part of the natural order.

[hot marlin]

The argument was not invalid. It was a counterpoint to "raising undead is against the natural order". By highlighting that the natural order also raises undead. The implied conclusion being that raising undead is not against the natural order.

[woven flint]

This point still stands

[valid geyser]

i could just see some enchantment wizard in a game going "Which is worse? controlling someone's mind for a few minutes or killing someone with a fireball?"

[hot marlin]

This is a fallacy called appeal to authority. Just because the death god says something does not mean their personal opinion gets to be treated with more importance.

[woven flint]

Lmao

[cloud scarab]

Wait hang on you might be on to something

[woven flint]

What about majority of people in society that view raising undead as a crime?

[minor cargo]

Not that to rebutt what you're saying (because two things can be true at the same time), but if you're talking about Kelemvor (or really any deity in Forgotten Realms), they are absolutely fallible. They are not omnscient and they can make mistakes, do illogical things, act of out passion, grow/change, etc.

[valid geyser]

that would be a bandwagon fallacy
but we are assuming undead as an objective evil, which isnt really that quantifiable

[swift copper]

I mean i kinda am lol.

[woven flint]

I mean, as mentioned MAJORITY of undead ARE indeed Evil Aligned.

[cloud scarab]

Reminds me of the trolley problem

[hot marlin]

This is a fallacy called the bandwagon fallacy, part of the appeal to popularity. The view of the majority is not an argument. Remember that people used to agree that freeing slaves was a crime.

[woven flint]

There are very few undead that aren't Evil.

[cloud scarab]

Do you mind control your best friend for a few minutes or kill a bunch of people with fireball

[valid geyser]

and I agree. I think undead are usually pretty morally messed up, and on average I think should be. it's just hard to call them absolutely evil.
I think usually its fine to consider raising undead a societal taboo in game and have that be distinction enough that necromancy is evil in the same way murder would be

[woven flint]

Any magic can be immoral!

[hot marlin]

No magic is immoral or moral. Magic does not have an alignment, only creatures have an alignment

[woven flint]

Watch me use Abjuration to protect a Tyrant

[cloud scarab]

I mean to be fair who wouldnt be morally messed up after being brought back from the dead

[woven flint]

Pardon, magic can be used for immoral actions..

And majority of people that use necromancy use it for nefarious purposes

[hot marlin]

Yes. Can be used. In the same way that a kitchen knife can be used for dinner, or to chop up someone

The kitchen knife has no alignment regardless.

[subtle tusk]

has anyone run descent into avernus? im looking to DM it and im wondering if theres any solid online resources for it cos xp to level 3 insists the first few dungeons are trash, its been a couple years since i DMd so if anyone has any advice or leads its greatly appreciated

[hot marlin]

This is what I like to call the moral tumor. Essentially the need to bring moral subjects in discourses where they do not belong. Magic has no alignment and no morality. It is the magic user's actions that can be evaluated from a moral lens.

[minor cargo]

I think it's also fair and valid to say that some (fantasy) people can be (can be written to be) just plain disgusted by undead. Disgust reactions are pretty natural and happen pretty frequently - and they're hard to overcome.

But disgust alone doesn't make something moral or not moral.

[valid geyser]

i think i more say it that using undead is kind of a tool without that many good uses to it that dont run into some sort of moral hoop to jump through

[severe rampart]

Evren... evren where are you

[inner silo]

I think it could be interesting for a society suffering after a war or another cataclysm that took a lot of lives turning to necromancy to make up for the lost labour

[woven flint]

I'm not falling for this Necromancy isn't Evil propaganda!!!!
(I understand your argument, but it's not gonna change my mind, though I'll take it into consideration)

[severe rampart]

This is the exact campaign Evren is running and I'm one of the players

[subtle tusk]

havent even read enough to get the reference this will be like my second campaign U_U

[severe rampart]

No, Evren is the name of the DM

[woven flint]

Necromancy is just one of those magic types I think is hard to have a justifiable reason to use

[cloud scarab]

But what if it was used for good? Like bringing back an undead army to stop Vecna from taking over the multiverse?

[subtle tusk]

did you do the baldurs gate intro at level 1?

[woven flint]

You could stop vecna LITERALLY any other way with other magics.

[hot marlin]

By "necromancy", you strictly mean the spells that create undead, not the actual school of magic, right?

[inner silo]

Can't necromancers control others undead?

[rose crypt]

Hi everyone!

Has anyone here set up a projector for battlemaps at the table?

I’m trying to get this working, but I’ve run into an issue: all of my digital maps seem to use slightly different grid sizes. Because of that, I can’t find a single projector position that lines everything up correctly, and I end up having to move or recalibrate it every time I change maps.

I’m hoping there’s a more standardized approach—maybe a common grid or map size most creators follow—so I can align maps quickly and keep the projector in a fixed position.

Is there a generally accepted “standard” map or grid size people design for? Or any tips on making this process more consistent?

[severe rampart]

I do not play Baldurs Gate, no

[minor cargo]

I think Skittle used a really useful word to describe their take on necromancy: taboo.

[subtle tusk]

gg

[cloud scarab]

Bad example but you get the idea

[woven flint]

Yes! My mistake, I mean spells that specifically create undead

[hot marlin]

Then I can think of several uses of necromancy. I have played a character who made some uses of it.

[wintry spindle]

Sometimes I think necromancer is one of those classes that make more sense for a cleric subclass than a wizard one

[cloud scarab]

The only problem is most BBEGs also use necromancy

[woven flint]

My point being, Any problem you could solve creating undead, could also be any problem you can solve using Conjurations in general.

[cloud scarab]

Thats honestly fair

[empty thicket]

except if you make your BBEG into a non magical user and make one of his servants use magic for him, his right hand

[inner silo]

Yep. I think necromancy is more interesting in the stuff it can do outside of battle. Zombies and skeletons don't need rests so they can be very useful labourwise, especially on farms or in factories where there's often a lot of labour that's mainly physical. Also there are a bunch of necromancy spells that let you stop people from dying or turning undead

[woven flint]

I don't think there's justifiable reasons, it's just an opinion.

I'm not gonna stop you from playing a Necromancer

[distant heath]

Hello

[woven flint]

Just like..
Really think for one second about "But what if necromancy is the only solution?"
Then really think about it.

[cloud scarab]

I think one exception would be bringing back a powerful warrior that you need to defeat the bbeg. Like imagine resurrecting Kas to help you take down Vecna

[inner silo]

Could also just play an evil necromancer who's forced to work with the party for whatever reason

[woven flint]

Kas is already undead lol

[hot marlin]

Think about what?

[cloud scarab]

Not if I put a stake in his heart

Then he goes back to being dead-dead

[hot marlin]

Don't do that thing where you say "think about it". Follow through on your argument

[woven flint]

Think about a problem where Necromancy, raising dead as undead in particular, would be the only solution to an issue

[cloud scarab]

Or wait let me kill him with every vampire’s weakness: RUNNING WATER

[woven flint]

I actually think Kas is immune to majority of vampire weaknesses because of how powerful of a vampire he is??

[hot marlin]

I was in one of those situations actually. I was in a deserted town, ravaged some decades ago. I needed information about the actual thing that destroyed the town. Divination was useless, as whatever it was that did it was clearly shielded against divination. The corpses were all mutilated beyond recovery so speak with dead was not going to work. Luckily, I had looted the magic item a previous bad guy had been using, that allowed them to conjure and bind ghosts.

[cloud scarab]

Lemme look up his stat block. I got Eve of Ruin

[inner silo]

Perhaps not the only but the most efficient. Imo the biggest problem with necromancy is other spells for it that don't make undead generally are very horrible

[minor cargo]

I don't know if that logic is as sound as you might be thinking. (Cards on the table, I'm not here to convince you your opinion is wrong, but just sharing my thoughts in case it's helpful to think about for future conversations.)

If I use the same logic for, say, evocation spells it doesn't feel the same. "Think of any situation where fireball is a solution. Did you really have to use a fireball?" That's not to say all fireballs are used for morally good purposes (people can cast fireballs for bad reasons, of course), but the reasoning here isn't rock solid.

[woven flint]

I didn't say this part for morals.
I'm saying where making undead is indeed the only solution to an issue

[cloud scarab]

He’s still vulnerable to sunlight

[woven flint]

Really???? I thought Kas was immune to sunlight?

[cloud scarab]

He is a vampire after all

[inner silo]

Considering the amount of spells there's rare instances where only one school of magic can solve the issue, though often one of them is by far the most efficient at it

[minor cargo]

Ah, okay. I guess that's on me. Sorry, the above conversation is hard to follow.

[woven flint]

Not all vampires are vulnerable to sunlight though, daywalkers exist

I just thought Kas had that ability lmao

[hot marlin]

Daywalkers? In D&D?

I mean, there's that BG3 plot point but that's it.

[cloud scarab]

His statblock lists Sunlight Hypersensitivity

[woven flint]

You know.. vampires that can survive daylight?

[hot marlin]

All vampires can survive daylight for a few seconds

[cloud scarab]

Takes 20 damage at the start of his turn and has disadvantage on attack rolls/ability checks and can't change shape

[woven flint]

Eh, I was gonna say Dhampir but they're not full vampires lmao

[hot marlin]

It's not instant death

[woven flint]

The daylight spell looking tasty rn lmao

[cloud scarab]

To be fair Kas has 315 hit points so it will take a bit of time for him to fully cook

[cloud scarab]

Given how antisocial most of us are, a personal daylight spell would be helpful for all of us who need more vitamin D

[inner silo]

Could there be a curse of some sorts perhaps that would cause a wizard to turn to necromancy like if it suppressed their other magic schools or powered up their necromancy?

[woven flint]

Kas could survive at least what...

Let's see.. 20 damage per round with 300 something hp..
16 rounds considering 315 hp and if he wasn't taking damage from other sources

[cloud scarab]

I need to go outside more

[hot marlin]

So one minute and a half.

[woven flint]

That's pretty cool!

[cloud scarab]

A little over 1 and a half minutes

[woven flint]

Respect for Kas, I guess

[cloud scarab]

1 minute and 36 seconds to be exact

[woven flint]

Also, Nerd, I don't know if bringing Kas back to fight Vecna would be a good idea anyway, lol..
This guy is known for dishonesty and his betrayals lmao

[hot marlin]

Now then there is always the debate about whether or not it needs to be direct sunlight or not

Because if indirect sunlight counts... Damn, those vampires should stay in their coffin during the day

[cloud scarab]

You do make a fair point

[inner silo]

Considering moonlight is technically reflected sunlight

[cloud scarab]

It was more to make a point if anything. Imagine a similar scenario where the guy you bring back ISNT known for betraying people

[woven flint]

You could always go try to Find Kas' sword.. but it turns you evil when you attune to it iirc?

[cloud scarab]

Not a problem if the character is already evil

[keen kestrel]

I plan to cast it on my fighters sword as soon as we start the fight against Strahd

[woven flint]

I mean, yeah, I suppose but.. well, you know.. then you'd have the threat of an evil person with a powerful sword lmao

[cloud scarab]

My store game has 2 warlocks that are literally polar opposites of each other. One is a celestial warlock who wants to help and save people, the other has committed numerous warcrimes in literally only 2 weeks of ingame playtime

The second warlock would be PERFECT for Kas' Sword

[woven flint]

Poke

[keen kestrel]

Daylight does nothing to us though?

[cloud scarab]

Why are you poking me

[woven flint]

That wasnt the point?

[keen kestrel]

Sounds like you need more warlock in said campaign

[woven flint]

I wasn't talking about any of that

[keen kestrel]

Oh, I’m confused by the evil person thing

[cloud scarab]

We're literally a guild of assassins. We don't need any more chaos if we ARE the chaos

[woven flint]

I was talking about someone in possession of the Sword of Kas, as, I recall, it's sentient and actively influences you to go through with acts of betrayal

[keen kestrel]

Dunno, a great old one who knows everyon s secrets could be more chaotic

[cloud scarab]

He is a great old one Warlock

[keen kestrel]

Ohhhh, that would suck

[hot marlin]

"The sword's purpose is to bring ruin to Vecna. Killing Vecna's worshipers, destroying the lich's works, and foiling his machinations all help to fulfill this goal.

The Sword of Kas also seeks to destroy anyone corrupted by the Eye and Hand of Vecna. The sword's obsession with those artifacts eventually becomes a fixation for its wielder."

[cloud scarab]

And he's made deals with quite literally every form of deity

[woven flint]

Ah word

[cloud scarab]

Fey, Demon, quite literally everything except Celestial

[woven flint]

Then what the hell is that sword that encourages you to betray people?
Is that a different game in entirety am I silly???

[hot marlin]

If such a sword existed, I would betray the sword by not betraying people, therefore fulfilling the sword's purpose

[cloud scarab]

I think so. The closest thing I'm seeing is either a homebrewed weapon that lets you cast charm/dominate person, or a cursed weapon with that specific curse

[stark tundra]

A random nerd and a dopenerd what was this fate for us to meet lol

[cloud scarab]

There's more nerds out there than you think

[tidal skiff]

Hey people. Would any of you pass on me wisdom of DnD. How does exactly being Charisma catser works ? Like you convince reality that what you want is real ?

[woven flint]

I'd betray the sword last second by dropping it and walking away

[severe rampart]

What constitutes a betrayal? what if I promised someone I'd make them a sandwich on x day, and then I didn't, would I be fulfilling the sword's purpose or is that not extreme enough?

[cloud scarab]

That is quite literally what a bard does LMAO

[stark tundra]

Oh I know nerds are pretty dope hence why I'm the 3rd

[severe rampart]

Yeah, exactly

[tidal skiff]

What about Warlock

[woven flint]

Charisma casters invoke their force of selves from my understanding

[hot marlin]

No. You still cast spells that are recognizable. But you fuel those spells with your strength of will and personality, which is partially what charisma represents

[cloud scarab]

From google "Your force of Personality, magnetism, and willpower power your spells, affecting spell attack rolls and spell save DCs"

Charisma is literally "you can cast spells because you're awesome"

[severe rampart]

Hell yeah, every single one of my bard characters always had a 19 or a 20 charisma

[tidal skiff]

I would much more understand if Warlocks were "you're so charismatic your patron likes you more and gives you unlimited powaaa"

[cloud scarab]

Thats basically it

[inner silo]

There's blade of betrayal and darkrazor

[cloud scarab]

Patrons dont just give out their power for free, you gotta do some convincing

[tidal skiff]

Personality?... Zesty Grasp

[tidal skiff]

NGL that sounds bit dumb. Sorcerer and Bard make much more sense, but I guess Warlocks haggle for power so Charisma is closets reasonable stat.

[thorn zodiac]

Yoo wspp

[lean wigeon]

warlock should've been an int caster ngl

[inner silo]

I feel like paladins and clerics having a different casting stat is a bit weird

[thorn zodiac]

So uh, can any1 explain what this dnd things are about? I keep seeing it and it seems pretty cool to play lol

[inner silo]

Finding loopholes in the contract to get more power along the way?

[cloud scarab]

Doesnt necessarily have to be haggling for power. You just need to convince a powerful deity to give you power. Doesn't matter how

[thorn zodiac]

(and if im supposed to go to websides)

[empty thicket]

not at all, the idea would be you are being Charismatic to an entity that give you the powers
Higher charisma mean you are better with it

[cloud scarab]

Or you've convinced your patron to give you more of their power

[tidal skiff]

Not really deities.
Imagine if...Warlocks were...whatever they want casters...like they chose Int, Wis or Cha with first Warlock level they take.
Why ? Just because Luck doesn't exist as a stat

[empty thicket]

maybe make some patrons get the chance of use other stats, like some patron that is like a demon of war let you use STR for some spells

[glass granite]

I interpret is as paladin’s oaths being completely focused on maintaining one’s inner direction in life (charisma), while clerics intrust themselves into another being via faith and worship (wisdom, which seems to be the stat signifying realising the world around you looking at Druids)

[inner silo]

That actually makes a lot of sense, thanks for explaining it!

[glass granite]

I don’t think it’s canon, just how I see it

[potent vector]

More like "you can cast spells because of how awesome you think you are".

[potent vector]

This

[cloud scarab]

Pretty much

[glass granite]

Plus, it gets a lot more confusing once you look at warlocks, who get it from a patron. Maybe they use the will of self the patron bestowed upon them? Not through realisation or faith but through a pact…

[lean wigeon]

what no, that's silly
alot of the flavor text on the warlock class involves alot of studying and researching forbidden knowledge and occult lore. they were originally supposed to be INT casters. they only became CHA casters because of legacy

[inner silo]

Could rangers being intelligence casters also make sense then since they most likely need to study nature magic?

[inner silo]

Alrighty

[potent vector]

To me it feels like how Charisma saves are assertion of your sense of self against an obstacle, so Warlock casting is an assertion of what you deserve from your Patron

If that makes any sense

[glass granite]

No, else all herbalists would get magic. I feel like they don’t get magic from knowledge but from being one with nature

[inner silo]

So like mini druids?

[glass granite]

Just want clarification on the “what you deserve” part.
Cuz it’s not the patron casting the spell

[potent vector]

What the Warlock wants*

[glass granite]

Oh, that’s an interesting view

[potent vector]

As your Charisma grows, so does your assertion of your contract

[lean wigeon]

the fact that we have two knowledge stats and that our "personality/comeliness" stat is also tied into "willpower" is incredibly silly

[tidal skiff]

I guess, still it would make more sense to me personally if the stat was tied to Patron at least. So different patrons, different casting stats.

[lean wigeon]

INT and WIS should just be one stat, and CHA should be renamed to something else

[inner silo]

That would mean warlocks have to get their subclass at level 1

[lean wigeon]

also get rid of CON pls pls pls pls pls

[glass granite]

Eh…disagree

[tidal skiff]

Used to be the case

[inner silo]

Yup

[glass granite]

Let me refer back to the tomato analogy

[valid geyser]

I think that the six stats are just never gonna change, but it is interesting to think just hypothetically

I’ve always considered a strength and con merger as a pretty good match as str is a stat no one wants if you’re not a melee martial where con is a stat everyone wants with no classes or skills tied to it

[tidal skiff]

With 2025, I would make it their choice. Warlocks casting through whatever they are good at mentally since they just use it to release power they were given, don't really gather it themselves.

[inner silo]

Giving part of constitution to strength could actually largely make up for the dex vs strength gap

[woven flint]

Lmqo

[glass granite]

The tomato analogy:
Strength is crushing a tomato
Dexterity is dodging a tomato
Constitution is being able to eat a bad tomato
Intelligence is knowing tomatoes are a fruit
Wisdom is knowing not to put it into a fruit salad
Charisma is being able to sell a fruit salad that contains tomato
-# if I’m to be perfectly honest I just wanted to bring out the tomato analogy again

[minor cargo]

Yeah, I think six stats are a D&D staple, even if sometimes it doesn't play all that well.

Like other games get away with Physical, Mental, and Grit as just 3 stats and that's fine. Some games don't even need ability scores.

[valid geyser]

And realistically, d&d doesn’t care much for the versimilitude of someone whose strong but not able to take a hit and vice vetsa

Also, one could argue dex is a merged stat like this combining physical agility and hand-eye coordination into a single stat

[tidal skiff]

I guess the stats weren't ever meant to make that much sense. Since with weapons they really don't so I guess. We have to use our imagination.

[valid geyser]

Yeah the stats are more or less kind of arbitrary at least origin wise

Strength, int and Wis existed to give fighters magic users and clerics a key stat to get an xp bonus for, and then con, dex, and charisma just affected one thing to provide more character randomization

Con adding extra HP, dex adding a bonus to missile weapons, and charisma affecting how many mercenaries you could hire

[tidal skiff]

Even application is eh.
Strength works well with Hammers, Axes, Bows while swords would be generally Dex weapons.

[hidden spindle]

Yes, its possible. With the DM's assistance

[tidal skiff]

If only all DnD weapons could be used with Strength and Dexterity with just different modifiers to effectiveness.

[hidden spindle]

I learned today its not the Melee or Ranged aspect of a Weapon that uses STR or DEX, but rather its the type of attack.

[hidden spindle]

Tavern Brawler's got you

[jovial shadow]

Hi. What do you mean by Intelligence caster?

[tidal skiff]

Haven't read the 2025 one yet.

[inner silo]

Using intelligence as your spell casting stat

[lament sapphire]

It's actually the weapon property, and a handful of unique feats/abilities

[jovial shadow]

Are you sure it isn't Wisdom?

[inner silo]

Rangers use wisdom but i thought intelligence could make sense for them

[tidal skiff]

Imagine some scrawny Rouge trying to pull Greatbow.

[glass granite]

They are, that was a hypothetical

[jovial shadow]

Ah thanks

[glass granite]

No problemo

[hidden spindle]

I mean in general.

Like making a Melee Attack with a Heavy Crossbow. STR

[lament sapphire]

Umm no that would be an Improvised Weapon and has defined properties

[hidden spindle]

I'm curious which is used for throwing a Greatsword... DEX?

[lament sapphire]

Whereas something like a Javelin has the Thrown property, allowing ranged attacks to be made with either dex or str.

[glass granite]

What do you mean by this?

[lament sapphire]

Look up rules for improvised thrown weapons because a Greatsword lacks the Thrown property.

[glass granite]

Cuz for javelins both are strength

[lament sapphire]

Javelin throws can be made with dex

[glass granite]

Wait what

[mortal tiger]

Helloo

[glass granite]

Can be, or are?

[lament sapphire]

I'll go double check myself but iirc it's either

[glass granite]

Pretty sure that would only apply to smt like daggers

[tidal skiff]

I'm pretty sure that's tied to Finesse

[jovial shadow]

Javelin is listed as melee so it checks out

[lament sapphire]

Right my mistake. If it's finesse and thrown it's either.

Javelins would just be str since they don't allow dex melee attacks

[hidden spindle]

Being a melee weapon, they make melee attacks: STR.

Being a ranged weapon, they make ranged attacks: DEX.

Throwing a Dagger for a Ranged attack, which is a Melee Finesse weapon, could be either STR or DEX.

Throwing a Dart for a Ranged attack, which is a Ranged Finesse weapon, could be either STR or DEX.

Let me see the Improvised Rules again...

[lament sapphire]

So again, the Weapon Property defines whether to use str or dex. Not the attack type.

[glass granite]

But throwing a light hammer, javelin, trident and I think also one of the axes are all just strength

[hidden spindle]

That's because of the Thrown Property

[lament sapphire]

No it's because it lacks the Finesse property.

[glass granite]

The thrown property lets you chuck things, not use Dex

[potent vector]

Otherwise if you wanna do it it becomes improvised

[glass granite]

Actually, I think the dagger is the only thrown finesse weapon…

[glass granite]

Indeed

[lament sapphire]

Curse me for maining a rogue...

My biases are showing

[jovial shadow]

Dart?

[glass granite]

Completely forgot about them lol
Nice catch

[tidal skiff]

Darts catching strays for no reason

[glass granite]

Actually, I might have found a scenario where dart is the best option

[severe rampart]

when you're playing... Darts?

[lament sapphire]

...where you're trying NOT to kill anything?

[glass granite]

Specifically, when you take a level when multiclassing out of monk (let’s say Ranger) and you wanna dual wield

Your best option would be a dagger (for Nick and thrown), and another weapon (preferably Vex)

Shortswords are objectively worse here, which is so weird to say when comparing it to a dart

[tidal skiff]

When enemy has large red circle on them ?

[glass granite]

Nah, there you wanna eldritch blast

[severe rampart]

maybe when you're fighting minotaurs

[severe rampart]

so you can get the bull's eye

[glass granite]

Touche

[glass granite]

I see what you did there

[severe rampart]

I'm very proud of myself

[tidal skiff]

So anyway I started blasting.

To this day I'm mad (it's been like an hour I found out) that Wizards didn't make Symbiote Warlock subclass.

[glass granite]

Hi very proud of myself, I’m Hi, I’m Nugget

[tidal skiff]

Hi, Nugget. I'm dad.

I will add Warlocks possibly being Int, Wis or Cha casters based on what they chose to my list of forbidden thoughts and ideas that will die on Hill.

[cloud scarab]

Hi Dad, when are you coming home with the milk?

[stark tundra]

Never the milk I'm hunting comes from only the creatures in Star wars

[tidal skiff]

Can't, it expired so I need to get a new one.

[stark tundra]

I also need to go get a pack of smokes

[potent vector]

It got given to the new Psychic class, I'm sorry for your loss

It's not even good because it's a gish subclass without enough survivability 😭

[scarlet wadi]

Hi

Is Anyone running or playing in a campaign these days?

[cosmic roost]

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[lethal otter]

Hello everyone. How yall

[keen kestrel]

Doing great!

[delicate owl]

I'm doing well enough

[kind sail]

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[tidal skiff]

Shieeet, Wizards are kinda psychic. Guess we will have to do it ourselves...like always.

[woven flint]

Wizards aren't typically psychic

[umbral girder]

Yep!

Just because a Wizard has Tenser’s transformation doesn’t make them a Fighter.

[woven flint]

I am though!

Explodes Nealen with mind

[tidal skiff]

But those which come from the Coast are psychic

[glass granite]

Hello though, I’m Hi, I’m Nugget!
I greet the Lord of Goofy!

[tidal skiff]

And chopped

I'm gonna try and cook up Symbiote Subclass for Warlock. Mechanically the same, but theoretically opposite of traditional patron. Wish me luck with y'all spell slots.

[minor cargo]

💡 What Shakespeare characters do you think would make good D&D NPCs?

[naive cedar]

The gravedigger from Hamlet

[tidal skiff]

"To be or not to be" as person.
Mr. Schrodinger NPC that exists only if someone is watching them and randomly changes location and clothes in their shop, but they always been there and had that drip.

[stiff rock]

Macduff could be a pretty interesting one (or most the main characters of macbeth)

[naive cedar]

the macbeths were my second choice

[hidden spindle]

Romeo and Juliet

[hot marlin]

The weird sisters. Mercutio

[stiff rock]

The porter from act 2 scene 3 would make a killer bard

[hot marlin]

I've always loved Mercutio

Best death monologue in the history of english fiction.

[uncut zenith]

I was gonna suggest Iago, but I think he’d be a better NPC

[hearty notch]

Did anyone have an actual good proper game on dnd discord lfgs

[naive cedar]

iago could be an excellent villain npc

[hearty notch]

I feel like all of them just fizzles out

[hot marlin]

I think a PC based on Iago could also work well

[naive cedar]

tbh I think most Shakespeare important characters could work because Shakespeare wrote great characters in general

[chrome tinsel]

could an optimized 20th level DnD party feasibly defeat the united states military

[minor cargo]

The US military has lost a lot more to a lost less.

[woven flint]

Uh.. maybe? That depends on quite a bit, I feel

[severe rampart]

One wish and it's all over

[woven flint]

In real life, a well place shot could kill anyone
In D&D gunshots are more sustainable.

[chrome tinsel]

thats true wish hax is insane

[severe rampart]

“I wish that the Soviets won”

Boom, there you go, army? What army?

[woven flint]

If they use something like wish, it'd be easier
But I think if they were just using big boom spells it'd probably take a while

Because there are millions of people in the United States Military

[chrome tinsel]

i mean at that point thats a wasted wish because now they just have to deal with the soviet american army

but i see the vision in general

[severe rampart]

"I wish that a nuclear war happened during the cold War between America and the Soviets"

[woven flint]

I wouldn't overestimate a D&D party in real life, but I wouldn't lowball them either

[severe rampart]

I mean, what are the stats of each individual American soldier

[chrome tinsel]

generously maybe like a 2nd-3rd level fighter or ranger with the gunner feat?

[severe rampart]

I'll do you one better, can the US Army beat a terrasque, no prep time, it just spawns in the middle of the US

[chrome tinsel]

this was easier in 3.5 where a lot of "peak human" performance actually mapped well to about 5th level

[woven flint]

I think it completely depends on if they were brought to real life or stayed in their world, because with the rules of D&D would have a substantial advantage

[remote wadi]

This, more or less. DnD parties would be able to put up a great fight, but i think the 2 largest limiting factors are their poor range and just how much firepower can be rained down against them

[woven flint]

If it was real life, I could see a trained sniper blowing a wizards head schmoove off lmao

[chrome tinsel]

yeah i think poor range is the biggest kicker for the dnd party. they could just be attacked from afar by any number of means and the party couldn't realistically fight back

[loud tendon]

lets keep things on D&D and away from real life politics and figures please.

[chrome tinsel]

eh fair this was all my doing, i just thought it was a fun situation hypothetical thing

[remote wadi]

Exactly what I said. Lightning Bolt is 125 feet tops iirc

Enter the AC-130 and A10 Thunderbolt

Anyways, why does Wish exist again?

[chrome tinsel]

wish exists to give max level characters untold narrative power and potentially dole that power out in smaller doses earlier on

i think 5e balances it well where there's a chance you just lose the ability to cast wish after doing so

[remote wadi]

Wait a second...

[remote wadi]

I feel lije an anime did this before? Gate, I believe it was called?

[scenic zinc]

Except it doesn't.

It gives them the ability to wish for it. Not automatically have it.

It's abilities for effects that aren't spells are either explicitly listed, or just a hopeful wish that can result in a dm saying no, and you losing wish forever.

[empty thicket]

Oh yeah, no doubt.
Casters are capable to pull out disasters of such level that are worse than nuclear bombs
Middle ground between this 2 can do a lot of things still
Martials get capacities capable of fight against entire armies

[scenic zinc]

No. Pure action economy.

And range.

[scenic zinc]

And... no. Mechanically, a 20th level party would get wiped out by 1000 goblins. They're not surviving a modern day army.

[burnt valley]

There is no way they are losing initiative to goblins

[chrome tinsel]

i think an open fight on a battlefield would go real badly for any dnd party but i also think a 20th level dnd party has the ability to strategically cripple a modern military force very easily using control spells, scry-and-frying, etc

i feel like the difference comes down to prep time. if they're just dropped in the middle of an open field with full battalions of soldiers and a carrier supplying aircraft nearby its over

[scenic zinc]

They lose the battle, not initiative.

[reef tundra]

There’s no way they can kill all of them in time

[burnt valley]

Prep or no prep?

[chrome tinsel]

i also feel like the dnd party would benefit significantly from mountainous or woodland terrain as it'd weaken the range advantage modern weapons would have over them

[woven flint]

Sheer numbers and sheer tactical advantage and also... bombs lmao

[reef tundra]

I was about to contribute but then I was reminded that bombs exist

Yup, it ain’t happening

[burnt valley]

Do bombs pierce through Rope Trick?

[woven flint]

I don't think it even matters, an Adventuring party would run out of resources faster than an army of over millions of people

[meager fractal]

i don't think so

[glad arch]

maybe not but youre gonna have to leave sooner or later

[trail mica]

I need your help. I have built a character with a custom background on dndbeyond, but I can't find where I can add an origin feat. Can anyone help? 🥺

[woven flint]

You're all severely overestimating the power of a D&D party 💀

[glass granite]

How are you getting this origin feat?

[trail mica]

doesn't everyone have one?

[glass granite]

From their background, yes

[trail ore]

Yo

[glad arch]

They did mention using a custom background tbf

[glass granite]

Ope
Mb I’m blind

Try #ddb-support

[glad arch]

Idk ddb, can you not just give yourself a feat?

[trail mica]

but I see that I have an ability score increase on the abilities tab that's labeled "origin", did I get that instead of an origin feat? 🤔

[glad arch]

You get both

[trail mica]

how do I do that? I'm fine adding it afterwards, if thats possible

[glad arch]

I would imagine the same as adding a normal feat bit like nugget suggested folks in #ddb-support might know this stuff better

[trail mica]

huh yeah I see something here with "manage feats", sorry I haven't used dndbeyond before, I have mastered all year and its my first time playing in years 😅

[empty thicket]

for their background or unless you are a human, then you get 2 origin feats

[chrome tinsel]

i hope you have an excellent time omg! :V

[glad arch]

Glad you found it

[loud tendon]

I did ask folks to move away from the discussion

[cosmic roost]

https://media-waterdeep.cursecdn.com/attachments/0/828/c2-16.png

[remote wadi]

Wanted to talk about that more in DMs, if possible

[jovial shadow]

Primus is pleased

[trail mica]

I added lucky through "manage feats" so I basically have an origin feat now 👍 (musician would have been great too, but we already have a bard and I want him to stay special)

[woven flint]

Primus is a neat Deity

[tidal skiff]

Spider-Man or Thor appears

[woven flint]

Hmmm.. wasn't Primus slain...

[tidal skiff]

He was replaced by Secundus which became new Primus

[mossy steeple]

"I wish for the military equipment of the United States to consist of Birch sticks"

[trail mica]

I'm so curious how my new character will play. He's a fey-pact Firolg warlock who's also, well, completely mute. he casts his spells using his flute, and I communicate using his familiar, an energetic little sprite :)

[empty thicket]

Would make my players when i get some face a Prime Sisyphus honestly, like the one in ultrakill but in DND and with some character of the lore of that campaign

Just to make them know, there is always a bigger fish

Its too much?

[tidal skiff]

But what if they aren't fish, but instead mammals ?

[empty thicket]

There is always a predator stronger

[tidal skiff]

But what if you're Yautja chief ?

[empty thicket]

That is Sci fi now, im not in that. Im in Fantasy, different things

In one you have magic, in another no

[tidal skiff]

Never heard of Hollywood Magic ?

[empty thicket]

Okey, share the blunt
Because for some cowboys setting with some satanic creatures, undeads, magic animals, dragons, etc. With Yautja.
I know, peak male fantazy while ridding a T rex and optimus prime come and fight against godzilla. But im not using that this time

[tidal skiff]

Don't forget you're Human Fighter that fights next to Wizard that flicks meteors like boogers

Would Mandalorians be Fighters or Rangers ? Or.... Power Rangers

[empty thicket]

In theory fighter because they dont get powers and use mostly equipment

The forger can be considerated an Artificer but im not so sure of this last one

[remote wadi]

Monkey paw: they now have the property of Orcs in WH40k

So you gave them all of the same firepower with none of the ammo concerns

[hot marlin]

That's not actually how 40k orks work

[remote wadi]

I wouldn't know, I just remember small parts of it

But it basically becomes like a lethal version of a kids playground. For your sake, hope they don't find the larger tree branches

[empty thicket]

In any way, making a party face the worst enemy with the highest CR without being a god, IRS.

[river vector]

First time DM with mostly first time players, just finished session zero. They filled my map with this optimus stuff lol. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1447708279043133502/1459348730523291821/image.png?ex=6962f3ea&is=6961a26a&hm=18d1a9804592a91c76afa0ebe88a694c3a913476a0a2078cd5224df5557af5af

[remote wadi]

Oh, dear God...
You're so right

Even modern military can at least be reasoned with. But IRS will leave with all your gold, no stopping them

Which, fun fact. Joker canonically fears the IRS

[empty thicket]

Welp, You know why alcapone was catched isnt it?

Taxes. So yeah, making a campaign that the party are tax collectors, sometimes the things can went smooth and the objective can pay and other times they fight
The party will have to solve puzzles, find people and other stuff, etc. etc.

[remote wadi]

Yeah, I totally agree. Modern military is something like "great to have on your side, scorched earth if you're against them"

But the IRS? Good luck with that

Although that would be interesting, making a tax system

[empty thicket]

If i have some cleric or paladin i will make him have some past with some demon that they are going to collect taxes

[tidal skiff]

Tarre Vizsla would be Ranger likely

[empty thicket]

my dm already make some "inflation" to the stuff, if i buy too much arrows and other stuff things get Expensive, same if i try to exploit some loophole like seelling beer from some alchemy jugs

[remote wadi]

Oh, yeah. Also wanted to ask something

If a musket is really only 1d12 piercing damage, anyone want to think about how much a howitzer is?

[empty thicket]

The party going in a mission for collect a special alchemy jug that make the best beer in the world.
Can make other stuff obviously but it do the best beer in the world principally

[empty thicket]

A... a howitzer is the big cannon isnt it?

[remote wadi]

The 105mm

[tidal skiff]

That's why you pay for dragon bodyguard and send rest of your gold to dungeons overseas.

[empty thicket]

oh god....

okey, let me think

[remote wadi]

I'll just do it for you

Bare minimum at least 700d12 piercing

[tidal skiff]

I'm something of a beer jug myself

[empty thicket]

maybe a smaller version, i remember a battlefield having a smaller version for some ground battles, something like that would be for me at least 30d20 piercing

[empty thicket]

You can make beer out of nowhere?

[remote wadi]

It isn't even unreasonable, either. Muskets usually get 1600-4000 fl lbs of force

A 105mm could do a million foot pounds of force in it's sleep

[tidal skiff]

I said beer jug, not Yeshua

[remote wadi]

See, it would make some sense, but that is assuming it wouldn't one shot a terrasque on a clean shot

[ocean flower]

do people really not enjoy combat in DND? ive been like looking for a game but like everything is like RP heavy

[empty thicket]

nope, i would say it would take at least 5 shoots, if not
Take some numbers from a cannon and add a x5 in everything

[remote wadi]

Nah, it would not take 5 shots to kill a terrasque

[empty thicket]

3? more or less?

[remote wadi]

One and done

[ocean flower]

like i dont really like RP that much like some is fine but id rather much like idk how to describe it or the word for it but like experience it? like i want to go into a ruins be told that there are strange unknown markings and scratches all over the place from some sort of creature vs like "you arrive to the ruins and its very clear a dragon has been through here based off the destruction" idk how to word it really but like i want to piece context together?

like id rather experience the BBEG being directly evil than like "yea this dude just killed like 50 people and everyone was helpless" i want to like BE in the situations i want to experience it

[cloud scarab]

You want to solve puzzles

[empty thicket]

i would put it in 2, so the fight isnt that short

[remote wadi]

Maybe a second needed if the shot wasn't center mass or a weak spot

I'm just saying, a howitzer would obliterate a terrasque. One of the many reasons why AC130s are the GOAT

[empty thicket]

i had a fight against a giant octopus and the DM made it that we kill it with just one cannon shot, if he made it be 2 or 3 i wouldnt minded.
More for gameplay terms

[empty thicket]

counter argument, Ravage void and dark star.

and storm of vengeance

[ocean flower]

i guess what im thinking of is gameplay vs being read a story

like there needs to be context but i dont want everything fed to me

[empty thicket]

Sometimes less is better, you might be searching a light adventure, something easy to process and have fun fighting, some funny rp and that it is.

[remote wadi]

If you were to implement it in a game (dont), then you can make changes

I'm just saying if the 2 were to be pitted against them irl

[empty thicket]

Na, maybe just a cannon or smt like that.
In the another campaign where i am a ranger and its like stalker setting, i will see if i get a big gun to take big targets.
Its a ranger hunter and my idea is making it into a sniper.

[ocean flower]

i think what im looking for might just not exist im pretty sure

i like want a vanilla(ish) 2024 campaign where RP isnt the sole focus

ive been scanning the LFP channel for a few weeks and literally havent seen 1 post like it

[empty thicket]

some sort of Monster Hunter thing? Get into the area, hunt the monster and leave?

[modern knoll]

man, I don't think I'll ever run official modules for my campaigns since some of the ones I've looked at has been super questionable in terms of difficulty and fairness

[idle oar]

I've seen quite a few mixed RP/combat games be posted so I'm not quite sure what you're seeing

[remote wadi]

All of those are much smaller ranges than what a gunship could strike from. Spoilers: altitudes of 7000 feet are very common and don't hinder it's accuracy at all

[idle oar]

But also check out #looking-for-community

[empty thicket]

im hopping i dont have to fight an AC130 ngl. Because if i do then the Artificer will take care of it (she is the expert in explosives)

[ocean flower]

im like looking for a 20/40/40 type thing

[idle oar]

Yes? That means there's combat.

[ocean flower]

yea but i dont like so much RP

[idle oar]

Okay - you can always check with the game poster if they can adjust the campaign to have a bit more combat focus.

They're mainly listing that to give a rough guideline of what to expect

[remote wadi]

Artificer could maybe make something with some help. But let's be real, that's grasping at straws

Probably an overkill part of it is that even some models of those ad to be retired because they made newer and better ones

That's the sort of reality that would give a midieval peasant psychic damage from explaining it

[woven flint]

Artificing the limit

[empty thicket]

its kinda modern, 2013 lets say

[idle oar]

When you find a game that sounds interesting, you can always communicate that you're interested but also that you like combat

[empty thicket]

and she is the one taking care of the explosives, i am the sniper of the team
Then there is a sorc and warlock i think
Will see what happen with them

[remote wadi]

I'm saying that it's already a behemoth of a ship that flies and has weapons that could level anything with precision

And they decided to not use some older models anymore because there are much stronger versions made

[ocean flower]

idk how to word it but i tried replying a few times

[west timber]

Um not sure if this is where I would ask the question but are the Angels from the MM based on real life angels or are they largely made up by wotc

[ocean flower]

walking on thin ice is best i can describe it i think

[idle oar]

Don't worruy - as a moderator I can see the logs. Just keep things appropriate per server rules.

[ocean flower]

i thought it was fine because a lot of other people said it before

[remote wadi]

It's similar to how trying to think of large numbers will only scratch the tip of the iceberg on how large numbers get

[empty thicket]

Lets hope again i dont have to fight against that. I think one of my allies can call one of those for back up but its one time thing

[idle oar]

If it's automodded then it's not fine.

Or if you get a message from Dyno (those are sent by the moderation team)

But back to D&D

[ocean flower]

it was same context AI mod just didnt like me i supposed

but yea i dont want to be that dude who asks someone to change what they wanted to do because i exist

[idle oar]

Not AI my friend - it's Discord's word filters

[reef tundra]

Automod =/= AI mod

Not the same

[idle oar]

But yeah not really a topic for here

Back to D&D

[remote wadi]

Yeah, it's just... wow

If a Terrasque would be similar to a T Rex, even an anti tank rifle would mortally wound it with ease

[timid anvil]

We don't do AI here in these parts. Tips hat.

[limber trail]

I mean a part of DnD is that it's a shared experience. It doesn't always happen when you're new to a game but most healthy games ebb and flow to fit what the players are looking for.

I know if my players are looking for more combat I certainly try add it into a session

[remote wadi]

It should give you an idea of the level of firepower they could make

[limber trail]

tarrasques are much, much bigger and stronger than T-Rexes

[reef tundra]

Also they’re resistant to piercing damage soo… /lhj /silly

[limber trail]

Tarrasques are sorta a godzilla adjacent

[remote wadi]

Most sources say about 50 feet tall. Maybe not the same size, but still close to a building. And we loooooove destroying buildings

[reef tundra]

Also if you consider bombs to be fire damage, a Tarrasque would be completely unaffected because immunity

[limber trail]

Still makes em 4x the size of a t-rex

[reef tundra]

Difference is a building doesn’t make the earth shake with each step

[remote wadi]

Bombs would be probably 20/80 on fire and force damage if you think about it

[limber trail]

Most bombs as listed in the DMG are fire damage

[remote wadi]

Well, medieval explosives, yeah

[reef tundra]

But force damage is magic

I’d say thunder or bludgeoning if it’s the scientific term of “force”

[remote wadi]

So how else would you classify things like shockwaves from an explosion?

[limber trail]

Bludgeoning or Thunder

[remote wadi]

So then I guess that begs the question

What exactly IS Force damage?

[reef tundra]

Magic

[limber trail]

typically magic/spell damage

[remote wadi]

No, I mean like

What would force damage be?

[limber trail]

No, like, that is what it generally represents

[valid geyser]

It’s kind of an other category for stuff like just magical and/or kinetic energy

[limber trail]

pure magical force

[reef tundra]

This is what happens when you try to reality a fantasy, people

[empty thicket]

the closest that i can tell oyu is, Gravity. Use that like justification of what is the "force"

[reef tundra]

They don’t mix well

[remote wadi]

It's an ongoing conversation, but yeah

[valid geyser]

I mean there are (kinda)nonmagical means of dealing force damage like getting pushed out of a wall from losing intangibility

[limber trail]

(Gravity causes bludgeoning. Force is simply the damage dealt by pure arcane energy. Magic missiles and eldritch blast.)

Even skittle's example is based on a spell effect

[remote wadi]

But let's just say that if the Tarrasque were to exist, it would be a light breakfast for an AC130

Brunch, at worst

[valid geyser]

I just think that the example has an asterisk because that’s not an effect of the spell itself, it’s just a side effect from exiting a magical state

[reef tundra]

Or alternatively it destroys the world. We’ll never know, because we’re all biased in this case and want the side we want to win… to win

[empty thicket]

im basing in spells too, Dark star, ravenous void, etc. Use force damage. Spells that in theory would be related to something, aka "gravity"

[remote wadi]

It does NOT destroy the world. Something that small would be wiped out easily. It's only 50 feet tall, that's barely a 5-6 story building

[reef tundra]

A missile could either decimate or do nothing to a Tarrasque, there is no way of knowing, the only thing that would decide it is the writer

[limber trail]

I see it as the classic "nuke the kaiju" issue of, we can take out this thing but not without significant collateral damage

but either way, different genres

Tarrasques typically are created for worlds without tech

and like amity says, fully up to the worldbuilder

[empty thicket]

unless it start flying, even there the warlock start praying to a good god

[remote wadi]

Mmm, that's a bit of a fair point. But there are some outcomes we can logically deduce. Like how a single howitzer shot alone could at least mortally wound it

[timid anvil]

Good thing science and physics don't matter much in D&D. Creatures as large as the Tarrasque would just topple over by their own mass

[reef tundra]

But you can’t know that for certain

[remote wadi]

...they can fly?

[limber trail]

ehhhh, up to the worldbuilder the impact that'd have

[reef tundra]

How would you prove that it would? How? We have no scientific measure of how resistant its skin would be

[empty thicket]

Not all the time, but you can give them some wings

[reef tundra]

All we have is the line “resistances: piercing”

[empty thicket]

true, but i like to give some "logic" to stuff to see how to work it around, like a good wizard

[reef tundra]

There are the other resistances too but I’m only pointing out one

[timid anvil]

A Wizard would use different logic then you and I would have though.

[limber trail]

using the 2014 tarrasque, it also is fully immune to fire and piercing from nonmagical attacks, which would be what tank shots do

[humble cairn]

Ahh, the laws of magic, right? Sympathy, Contagion, Nomenclature, etc?

[limber trail]

2024 tarrasque is a little weaker in that regard but no slouch either

[remote wadi]

I guess even at worst for piercing resistant skin being a very hardened carapace, 105mm rounds do have a ton of energy behind it (let along hyper propelled rounds to be the caveman version of a railgun)

[reef tundra]

Oh damn You’re right, 2014 Tarrasque would be invincible to everything earth could throw

[empty thicket]

You know what? Punch bullets

[timid anvil]

You can't apply our worlds physics to a world where magic is real, Gods do stuff that influence the world you live in (like Gond making Gunpowder do nothing in the Forgotten Realms)

[limber trail]

mhm

[remote wadi]

Just fire and piercing?

[empty thicket]

a lot more

[reef tundra]

Loads more

[limber trail]

theres a bunch of others too but they were the relevant ones

[reef tundra]

Which wizard canonically loves Doctor pepper again? Elminster or Mordenkainen?

I know it’s one of the two (I think)

[empty thicket]

Okey, fire, bludgeon, piercing, slaying from nonmagical weapons. So, electricity its an option, force too
Immune to poison tho

[remote wadi]

Dang. That... would be interesting

[humble cairn]

Elminster

[tough belfry]

Hey y’all,
I have no clue what I’m doing even after reading the instructions
Imma sound like a cringe noob but how do I start

[reef tundra]

Aha, I knew it was one of the two

[reef tundra]

The people in #dnd-newcomers will be better at explaining

[tough belfry]

Thank you!!

[reef tundra]

Also don’t worry about sounding like a noob, we were all in that situation at one point

[empty thicket]

So, options for killing a tarrasque are, Electricity, magical weapons and some elemental adept.

Beside those, they are giga hard to take down

[remote wadi]

I don't think it could swim, could it?

[reef tundra]

I think all we have is electricity

[limber trail]

there are so many other damage types and in 2024 it got downgraded to bps resistance.

[empty thicket]

trust me, you dont wnat to find out.

[reef tundra]

Idk about y’all but I do not know anyone who has elemental adept irl

[remote wadi]

Good answer LOL

[empty thicket]

oh irl, welp ,we still have necrotic (radiation), electric and some cold too, nitrogen bomb might work

[empty thicket]

Yep, sometimes is better dont even test it.

[reef tundra]

Pretty sure it’s at least resistant to cold, but I think radiation will do

[limber trail]

no resistance to cold. There's also debates what radiation is but I've usually felt pretty confident it's poison.

[empty thicket]

im checking in the monster manual, might be wrong tho in any new edition

[limber trail]

ive had both up this whole time lol

[reef tundra]

Ah, no resistance to cold, Oki

[hot marlin]

I've often seen it as radiant damage. Followed by disease

[reef tundra]

Damn, looks like even I am getting in on this

[limber trail]

interesting

[reef tundra]

What?! Wait… I think I can see it

[empty thicket]

Rain of ice knifes

[timid anvil]

Well the Tarrasque can swim like everyone else. It doesn't have a swim speed so it treats water as difficult terrain

[reef tundra]

So water, electricity, and radiation

[limber trail]

Part of the reason I like poison damage for radiation is because in what I feel is a pretty accurate way, a lot of the creatures who you would expect to be immune to radiation (constructs etc) are actually immune to poison. Plus I usually see radiant as light damage, more godly.

[remote wadi]

And there is also the way that combinations could work in real life too

Like, it would be immune to piercing and bludgeoning normally, but what were to happen if it were frozen before impact?
Not to mention that RAI, it would be immune thanks to the carapace. What would happen if it were to be damage from the inside? And what were to happen if it were struck by rounds designed to break through said armor?

[reef tundra]

That’s a very fair point. I shall agree with that

[remote wadi]

Breathing underwater though... Could be a different story

[limber trail]

It's carapace only affects spells, I feel like we're agreeing most modern stuff is nonmagical

[reef tundra]

Dwarves are radiation resistant confirmed /j

[limber trail]

Typically high constitution, underground dwellers

I'd believe it

[reef tundra]

Sounds good to me

[limber trail]

dwarves are the original vault dwellers

[timid anvil]

If it reaches the bottom it can just tunnel away. It has a burrowing speed

[remote wadi]

Just saying, we could technically consider very large armor piercing ammunition as "magical for the sole purpose of overcoming resistances and immunities"

[limber trail]

in what way

[remote wadi]

Ffffffuuuuu-

[empty thicket]

If not, clash 2 dark stars from 2 wizards against a tarraske

literally Black hole vs Godzilla

[limber trail]

Actually I need to issue a correction, I won't be following this in my own games but the PHB '24 does technically list radiant damage as the damage type of searing radiation.

Now I do think this goes against what radiant damage is practically used as but it is technically true

[hot marlin]

Why would it be goofy? It makes sense

[remote wadi]

I mean, we have massive ammunition specifically designed to take down absurdly dense types of armor. Surely that would amount to overcoming a resistance or immunity

[limber trail]

Yeah but it's not actually magical in any way

just like those absurdly dense armours aren't designed to protect against magic

[empty thicket]

Found another spell that im loving how it sound, Reality break.

wizard in 2014 have epic spells

[humble cairn]

The Sickening Radiance spell is radiant damage and described a lot like cinematic radiation.

[empty thicket]

its resistance, dont mean wont get damage.

[remote wadi]

Then maybe we could reason with whatever people have also arrived from DnD

[limber trail]

oh sure but at that point we're back to four level 20 adventurers taking down a tarrasque and we've gone in a circle

[serene jolt]

So effectively, a necklace of adaptation is just a gas mask? 🤣

[remote wadi]

A barter of sorts: they help us overcome the magic elements, we help them take care of just about anything short of magical immunities

[remote wadi]

It would be fun to at least think about

Now, imagine a cartoon show now taking down the Tarrasque

Wonder what would happen with Regular Show... do they have The Power?

[empty thicket]

Yep, the power is literally wish without limits

[remote wadi]

Wait...

Just feed the Tarrasque a Death Sandwich

No hair, no clothes, no way to eat it properly, so you die

[empty thicket]

They traveled time with that.
Teleported, made a giant thing with lot of stuff, etc. etc. ITs god tier stuff

[empty thicket]

But we are sure that an animal will have the consequences of it?
It was lethal but it seems it was mostly lethal for humans

But ngl, reflavoring a Power word kill to Death sandwich sound giga funny

[remote wadi]

The only premise was "if you eat it wrong, you die". There didn't seem to be limits on who ate it

[hot marlin]

Really? I always thought it was a crap spell. A single creature, concentration, and an eighth level spell slot for what is essentially a worse, single target prismatic ray.

[remote wadi]

Force feeding someone a death sandwich

If you upcast it, it's the Double Death Sandwich

[hot marlin]

Not to mention that whoever wrote the spell clearly did not understand the proper wording of spells

[remote wadi]

Wait, the Tarrasque also have 3 things to deal with
Skips seeing this before
Muscle Man knowing a guy who can help
And Mordecai and Rigby getting fired if they don't take care of it

[empty thicket]

Its literally sending someone to that scene of Dr strange where he move between planes in his mind but dealing damage and can be literally 4 big number of types of damage, the intimidation factor that give would be traumatizing.

You see a wizard, do some moves with his hand and BOOM, your friend is in the ground shaking for the cold damage and cant see anything.

[remote wadi]

You could also reflavor a lot of spells as Regular Show things, the more you think about it

[oak saddle]

Man, I wish D&D had a class like the Summoner from PF

[hot marlin]

I mean I guess thematically it's cool, but mechanically it's absolute crap.

[empty thicket]

yeah... summoners in general get bad for the action economy mostly

[empty thicket]

oh yeah, but just the whole things that affect in that way are something i love
Dark star, ravenous void, Break reality, etc. etc.

[hot marlin]

Who the hell uses an eighth level slot to affect a single creature on a spell that does nothing if the target saves, and does rather poorly even if it doesn't

[remote wadi]

Create Food and Water, the Eggscelent Challenge
Haste as Double Glazed Apple Fritters
Revivify being the Sandwich of Life
Wish being The Power

[empty thicket]

Can be used for some tough objectives tho, its a wisdom save too and have lots of effects
Damage and stun
8d12 Force damage and halfed if saved
Forced teleport and 10d12 force damage, can add the fall damage because is 30fts
10d12 cold damage and blinded

[hot marlin]

Actually due to very poor wording, the conditions don't work

[empty thicket]

Wh..what?

[hot marlin]

And really, all that you're listing is simply not worth the eighth level slot

"until the end of the turn" is the wording. The creature rolls a 1 at the end of its turn, is stunned... Until the end of that turn. So right now.

What whoever wrote this spell should have written is "until the end of its next turn"

But even with that, it just becomes a worse power word stun.

[empty thicket]

Oh....meh, still like it, something dont have to be effective to be good for one himself

[fickle heart]

A small tidbit is that they roll the d10 at the start, not the end, of their turn.

[hot marlin]

Oh yes, start, sorry. So, stunned for... Their own turn. Which means you can't capitalize on their stun. Again, it's just power word stun, but far worse and requiring concentration

It's really just crap.

As a seventh level spell, it might be worth taking but... Then again. Concentration. Random effect. Single target.

[oak saddle]

Well I meant less the summoning of stuff, and more the customizeable pet

[warm summit]

Tbh if you think a spell is underpowered just change it/ talk to your GM about changing it till you guys like it. Or take a spell you like mechanically and change the flavor

[humble cairn]

I think the point was that Incubus doesn't like the spell, so why ever take it?

[honest spindle]

Quick question, maybe a dumb one, can a pc equip a cloak, specificly a cloak of protection, on top of the armor?

[bronze wave]

Ya

[humble cairn]

Yes

[honest spindle]

Cool, thanks

[warm summit]

But Fracnco liked the flavor

[bronze wave]

Cloak of protect is a magic item

I had a player just have 3 cloaks

[humble cairn]

And didn't care about its effectiveness.

Neither of them was talking about altering the spell.

[warm summit]

Yeah I was just pointing out that those are both solutions to that. I really don't see why you felt the need to ping me

Particularly twice

You can turn off pings in replies

[humble cairn]

Do you prefer not to be pinged? I'm sorry I will stop doing that then.

[humble cairn]

Well yes, but unless it's requested, like in the nickname I just tend to ping people automatically because I like to be pinged automatically, but I do try to respect it when people ask not to be pinged.

[warm summit]

There's not room in the nickname and two a minute apart is a little excessive yeah? Especially if I'm already present in the conversation

[humble cairn]

Not excessive to me? I lose track of the convo often because I have a lot of pages open.

[empty thicket]

meh, its okey, knowing there is more allies and stuff, i like the lil gambling factor too so, would be just funny

[humble cairn]

So I will respect your request, but no it's not an automatic thing for me to not want pings.

[empty thicket]

oh, in this case if its just a whole decorative mascot i think you can talk it out with your DM

[warm summit]

https://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/news/2025/10/inside-a-canadian-professors-43-year-old-dungeons-and-dragons-campaign

[empty thicket]

meh, i can see what i can do later when i get to play a wizard, might not be able because 2024 spells list are kinda cut from the 2014, no ravenous void or dark star, i find it sad

[warm summit]

Shouldn't be hard to port over though

[humble cairn]

Might want to explain the link, they generally don't like unexplained links.

[warm summit]

The links a post about the world record for tabletop campaigns, dudes run the same game for 43 years

[plush stirrup]

Hi

[empty thicket]

Bro what?! the campaign is now a generational thing or smt
"Yeah, the first adventurers were my ancestors" kind of thing

[remote wadi]

Wait, there is also a way to freeze a Terrasque

Cool Cubed. Big Swig sized

[remote wadi]

FORTY THREE YEARS???

[warm summit]

Yeah it's cool apparently 400 in game years have passed

[warm summit]

And ye apparently they've handed down magic items through generations of characters it's dope

[empty thicket]

Welp, if you manage to put it in lake and freeze it so fast it would trap it, depeneding of how deep it is and dense it would just shatter it and escape

[empty thicket]

depending of the races, that is 8 to 3 generations
Would be funny that one that is an elf or smt still young and go with them, some sort of idea like Frieren

[warm summit]

Yeah would be funny though you figure you'd probably retire the character and make new ones

[empty thicket]

welp, those characters can get apprentices, sons, etc. etc.
Became generals and get personal soldiers they train, you can do it in millions of ways and i find it good

[warm summit]

Oh totally

Id probably just make em mostly NPCs at that point, let the players have a say in their decision making but let em focus on new guys

[ashen grail]

This just came up (somehow) in a campaign.

What do y'all think the Bitcoin-to-Platinum exchange rate is?

[empty thicket]

The warlock that had a Fey patron that asked him his first born and then asking the fey when they are going to make it would be so funny ngl
The lil kid still being a warlock but now the patrons are his parents

[empty thicket]

Bro what!?

[ashen grail]

if it helps the question came about via talks about goose droppings

[empty thicket]

IT doenst bro, idk? ERmm...... im mostly concerned of how canelonni you get bitcoins in a magic world, if its mostly some sort of Cyberpunk then no idea

[woven flint]

Huh.

[empty thicket]

You know what, lets dance
Ravage void over all of us.

[ashen grail]

[empty thicket]

like fr, i dont have a proper answer, turn it into a joke and make the bitcoins be nuts that some squirrels save for the winters or smt

[naive cedar]

warlock whose patron is a bitcoin invester

[empty thicket]

Please no!!

[bronze wave]

You are the tired worker who always clocks in overtime

[remote wadi]

Ooh, now this would be interesting

Tarrasque vs Subnautica leviathans

Excluding the gargantuan leviathan. That would be an open and shut case

[stoic haven]

What's y'alls most played character? As in number of different games you have played the 'same' character in

[empty thicket]

if the there was a water version of tarrasque, i bet on him

[hot marlin]

The tarrasque can't breathe underwater. It just drowns

[remote wadi]

It would be interesting to think about. Althought the leviathans are either a nuisance at worst or an enormous threat to everything and itself

Subnautica 2, please deliver great new threats

[empty thicket]

Harood, fighter champion, around 15 sessions.
Killed a giant, some royal ghosts, an ancient owlbear that had around 800hp (it escaped at his 100), a giant octopus, submitted to a frenzy that made me kill around 100 enemies in a cave and survived bath in blood of them.
Finally, right now facing the demon that is the responsible of the cursed sword of my paladin.
I will support my paladin in his revenge

[stoic haven]

Mine I think is my young Wood Elf Shepherd Druid

[hot marlin]

Actually, assuming a variant tarrasque capable of breathing underwater, the tarrasque wins. Because the gargantuan skeleton is... Well, a skeleton.

[remote wadi]

In lore, unfortunately so. But they did make popular mods showing that the garg would have been

[empty thicket]

Just think that none of the Leviathans in that game are made or capable of fight something of their size, a tarrasque does.

[remote wadi]

And let's just say if it did exist, the garg would win hands down, but how long it celebrates the win is dependent on how calorie dense a Tarrasque is

[hot marlin]

Every leviathan wins against the tarrasque. They only have to wait for the tarrasque to drown

By this standard, any ordinary fish also wins against the tarrasque

[remote wadi]

Okay. If it could breathe and swim, though

[remote wadi]

Peepers do be pretty goated, though

[empty thicket]

the tarrasque would win

The jaws, spikes, hard shell. Even sacrificing some of the spikes and hard shell so it can swim. It would win

[remote wadi]

Against a reaper or 2, it would be a fun thing to watch

But a living gargantuan? Unfortunately, not a chance

[hot marlin]

Not that sure. How does a tarrasque bite a reaper that comes from beneath? It doesn't have the ability to bend enough. Say the reaper comes from a down angle and from behind, there is simply nothing something shaped like the tarrasque can do.

[tidal skiff]

Warlock who's patron is Self Improvement book writer

[hot marlin]

Its arm might be able to claw, yes, but the underside of the tarrasque is fleshy.

[naive cedar]

warlock whose patron is a finance advisor bro

[empty thicket]

the jaw power of the T would be enough to rip them in half or more, more if we considerate teh long structure of them too.
The dark ones from the deeps would maybe manage but again, their jaws arent made for bigger animals like the tarrasque

[hot marlin]

Oh wait, where does the fight take place?

[river vector]

So a devil?

[tidal skiff]

How you know what it's underside looks like ?

[remote wadi]

Underwater, assuming it can also breathe and swim to an extent

[hot marlin]

Thanks to official art where the tarrasque is drawn. And which showcases that the underside is less protected

[naive cedar]

nah thats the bitcoin investor. the finance bro is a demon

[hot marlin]

Yeah but where?

[tidal skiff]

Sigma Warlock with Alpha Patron

[naive cedar]

which dnd class is the most sigma and why is it ranger

[empty thicket]

"so, how is my new book"
The warlock looking uncomfortable without being able to tell him is the worst thing he had read in his life:

[remote wadi]

Gargantuan leviathan would be another story, though. Considering T's size is comparable to a cyclops, there is a non zero chance it just gets swallowed whole

[remote wadi]

Which universe? Subnautica

aka, 4546B

[tidal skiff]

Objectively Druids are Alpha wolves, they can't be dethroned by anyone except their kitten whiskers

[empty thicket]

yep, but we are comparing a godzila vs a titan from titanfall.

[hot marlin]

Again, where? Where on 4546B?

[remote wadi]

The void, I guess?

[river vector]

But alpha wolf isn't real

[naive cedar]

Pass a deception 30 check to say the book is good

[tidal skiff]

Warlock sold their soul for said book

[naive cedar]

consider: rangers have wolves (aka alphas) as their pets

[remote wadi]

Although I am a little curious in what ways you could leverage being able to kill Ts from the inside

[tidal skiff]

Silence ! Alpha wolf has to contemplate his response
💪🐺

[empty thicket]

Warlock had sold his soul and the contract from the patron is him having to read and give his honest to the book

[hot marlin]

Yeah in that case, the tarrasque beats the first few reapers that come from it. But then all the blood and commotion in the water attract bleeders and ghost leviathans. The bleeders kill the tarrasque

[empty thicket]

Welp, if it swallow it complete i would expect a slow decomposition inside of that creature
If not would be in half or with a big chunk missing

[tidal skiff]

Which ranger ? Power ranger, stranger ranger, danger ranger ? Deranger ?

[empty thicket]

Reality breaking you. Throw your widsom save. 20 dc.

[remote wadi]

I meant as a whole, not in this situation

[earnest seal]

Hello guys!

[hot marlin]

That reminds me of something... Back in the day a player asked about whether or not he could just wild shape into a wolf, beat the leader of a wolf pack in combat and therefore become the new leader. The DM answered "Following the big strong guy who shouts a lot and can beat up other guys is a behaviour that is really only found in humans and chimpanzees, not wolves"

[tidal skiff]

My wisdom score: 7

I have intelligence score of 14 and wisdom of 7. I know poking a bear will make them aggressive, but I'm gonna do it anyway.

[naive cedar]

you have to read your patron's self-help finance book in order to get the new boon for your pact. 30 dc constitution save

[empty thicket]

Go for it, 20 save, you have inspiration and why not a lucky try

[tidal skiff]

rolls
5
eats the dice

[empty thicket]

int save
30 dc save for dont getting damage
20 for half damage
10 is -5 permanent hp
1 is -15hp permament

[tidal skiff]

So the question changed...can we wild shape in to chimpanzee and beat the shit out of their leader and become a new leader ?

[hot marlin]

I would answer yes. But probably the entire tribe would likely beat you up

[tidal skiff]

Can you give Bless on chimpanzee?

[empty thicket]

Yeah(?)

[tidal skiff]

What charisma check would work the best to convince tribe of chimpanzees to follow you ? Performance?

[hot marlin]

None

[tidal skiff]

If you're chimpanzee yourself I should add...naturally

[novel socket]

Any dms open Sunday for a one shot

[naive cedar]

wait wait this is better

[naive cedar]

i think that would be animal handling?

[tidal skiff]

Nice so next time I know I can put bless on my friend

[empty thicket]

I would put it in cursed books, yeah, you can access to something powerful but the risk is there or some cursed stuff.

[novel socket]

I'm a paladin main btw, I have a character on DNDbeyond

[tidal skiff]

They can't handle this animal 💪🐺

[empty thicket]

Like some spell that isnt from your class
A warlock would access to a wizard spell through that book but would be random and risky for that Savings.
You can gamble and get a horrible spell or you can get an op spell without loosing any HP or just receiving some damage.

Or change the Dice of saving so each class can adapt too, sometimes can be int, other times wisd, etc. etc.

[tidal skiff]

Does DnD have God of Gambling?

[empty thicket]

Wont be surprised it does, but might be god of fortune or smt

[naive cedar]

depends on the setting

[tidal skiff]

Time to make the fist Casino on Sword Coast in next DnD game

[empty thicket]

would need to cast a whole anti magic field inside of it ngl

[naive cedar]

i recall there was a gambling minigame in baldur's gate 1 at a carnival, though that wasnt a casino

[humble cairn]

Tymora

[empty thicket]

Make the party get into an Uno game in DnD and use the Uno game from steam or some app to play it and bet between them

[potent vector]

Counterpoint: the whole point is to cheat the right way without getting caught

Magic Casino

[sand mirage]

hey is anyone free to play? ik there are channels for this but they seem kinda long term and i need fill-ins for a one shot right now 😭 im trying to test it before running with the planned group, it's my first ever session DMing, and most players had to leave early for various reasons

playing over roll 20, we can add you to the call, it'll be super easy

[oak grotto]

The Forgotten Realms has Tymora. She's more of a goddess of luck.

[potent vector]

Same thing, different light

For once I'd love a story with a cruel luck god

For some reason they're always cheery

[empty thicket]

If i caught you in my cassino cheating, im using 3 wizards casting reality break on you.
And another doing a mage hand fushigi.

After that, those that cheat must have deathwish or nothing to lose

[oak grotto]

DnD doesn't usually work if you are planning to do it in the moment. Even one-shots need planning.

[sand mirage]

ok buddy me and my friends are having great fun with our low quality dnd thank u

[potent vector]

Fun fact: They need you to pay for a casting of Death Ward as part of the entry fee so they can punish cheaters accordingly

[oak grotto]

Beshaba. The goddess of bad luck.

[oak grotto]

Then ignore my advice. I don't gain anything from this. Just trying to help.

Just be aware that the mods don't like it when people advertise their games here.

[potent vector]

THIS is someone I need to Jojo style outwit a party.

[humble cairn]

Tymora and Beshaba are sisters.

[potent vector]

Comeplete lunacy of a plan that fits together in the most Rubert Goldberg spring of all time.

[sand mirage]

ohh sorry i thought your advice was that finding players last minute was worse than not playing the game at all, and i should just give up, not that i was breaking rules. i understand that you're trying to help now, thank you

[potent vector]

Ik, I just read the wiki, didn't know she had a second aspect

[warm summit]

Tbh goddess of bad luck probably too hard to even approach if she knows you're gunning for her

[humble cairn]

The theory is that they both used to be Tyche the God of Luck, who then split into the Gods of Good and Bad Luck.

[autumn seal]

guys where do i begin, im so lost in what to do in this server💔

[warm summit]

If you want to have people fill in on the fly in the future, it can be helpful to have couple pregenerated characters on hand, another good tool for when you're lacking time to prep or you need an answer for something you didn't have prepped is the blog d4 caltrops which has a huge assortment of d100 tables

[robust comet]

Yo does anyone wanna DM for 2 idiots? My friend and I are desperate 😭

[sand mirage]

thank you, i appreciate it! I have a couple characters, but not accessible in a way that translates well to discord. it's all on roll20, and i was hoping if someone was interested enough to ask then they wouldnt mind needing to ask

[sand mirage]

[warm summit]

For sure, good luck! Id maybe join but I'm technically on a date

[robust comet]

Hello bob

[sand mirage]

ofc, thank you!

[robust comet]

I will pay $20 a session (I’m poor)

[sand mirage]

^^

[robust comet]

BOBBY

Be our DM 🙏🏽

[sand mirage]

i dont know if i can be a consistent dm... but if yall are down to play a lvl 3 monk and/or a warlock rn then you can join this game

[empty thicket]

#dnd-newcomers here, read the rules please too.
Start in that channel i gave you and finally you can ask there anything you have doubt, good luck buddy

[marble lion]

Damn you need specifically a monk or warlock? Im curious why

[sand mirage]

those are the characters that are made, i suppose any could be used

[marble lion]

Made by the players that dropped out?

[sand mirage]

yeah

[marble lion]

Interesting idea

[autumn seal]

👌👌

[zealous estuary]

yo

[empty thicket]

Yo

[zealous estuary]

yoyo

are the adventures in Stranger things: Welcome to The Hellfire Club any good?

wron channel

[cloud scarab]

Wrong channel but to answer your question, I think they are pretty good

[zealous estuary]

coolio

[cloud scarab]

Nothing incredible but for a new group who are stranger things fans, they do the job

[zealous estuary]

k, that works considering im the only really experienced player in my friend group and ive been cursed to be a forever DM

[cloud scarab]

They're more designed for newer players

And while they CAN be run as a string of one shots, they aren't really fit for a full campaign and are pretty short

[zealous estuary]

K

[cloud scarab]

If you're looking for a full campaign, I suggest you homebrew your own or look at a prewritten one. Most 5e modules still hold up with 2024 rules

I plan to run Curse of Strahd with my old coworkers soon

[zealous estuary]

coolio

I was thinking abt writing my own, but I figured if im gonna buy the book anyway, might as well use the prewritten adventures

[cloud scarab]

Welcome to the Hellfire club is a starter kit, not a full campaign

Its meant to be a bridge to get people into D&D

[zealous estuary]

yeah, I know, but I was going to buy the book for the monsters

ib case I do ever decide to write a homebrew Stranger Things campaign

thanks for the info tho, my questions have been answered

maybe?

most likely not

no?

was that our dm?

mustve been

[jovial badger]

i can do it for free, i suck at dming tho (only done it like twice before)

[jovial badger]

is the monk still available? i wouldnt mind hopping in

[sand mirage]

check dms :D

[tidal skiff]

Nah, this is battle of magic cheaters. Playing fair is not allowed.

[empty thicket]

Dont make me use the mage hand fushigi please. Please dont.

[stoic haven]

How are we tonight?

[glass granite]

I’m alive

[remote wadi]

Sometimes, that's all we need

[empty thicket]

Cool for now, chilling

[woven flint]

Ugh.

Never putting my trust in people again, yeesh!

How's everyone doing this fine evening, I'm ... something 🤔
Bored, need more D&D

My main dm returns from vacation soon, I think..

[glass granite]

Im alive!

Well, no, I’m Nugget

But you get the point

[woven flint]

Yes, I get the point

[empty thicket]

it happen, it is what iti s

[woven flint]

I'm losing faith in humanity, time to become a vampire! [Totally not a Jojo reference]

[empty thicket]

should check buddy, one never know that you can be an undead and you didnt knew

it happen sometimes, only notice it when your arm is missing or smt

[empty thicket]

na, im going to get revenge against the man that killed my village and then kill every dark entity in the Fear & Hunger dungeons. (ragnavald S ending, god of ultraviolence)

[woven flint]

Okay

[burnt valley]

Beware of casters ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[empty thicket]

might loose a limb, want to come?

[woven flint]

No.

[umbral girder]

Ran an Eve of Ruin session. Pretty fun!

[zinc hare]

My friend decided to dm!!! I get to play for once!!!

[umbral girder]

They reached level 20 today.

[zinc hare]

I can use the minotaur monk I made ages ago!!!

[tidal skiff]

I'm gonna use the hand underhand trick. You will never see it coming, because I don't either.

[tough belfry]

This is random
But I’m attempting to play my first solo adventure using the storm wreck isle. When I do it online on my computer it just shows me a map and no info on what actually to do
Pleaseeeeee help

I have never played before in like any sense and I just wanna start lol

[knotty pasture]

You should read up the rules first before you can start

[fair summit]

Are you using someone's version of the adventure into a solo adventure? Or do you mean you have the adventure and are just attempting to play it alone?
Because usually the way D&D works is the Dungeon Master has the adventure info, and rusn it for the players who generally do not have it. The adventure should contain that information though, so might just be where you are viewing it from? Like are you using Beyond or some other VTT?

[tough belfry]

I’m using the version that’s on the actual dnd website online
It says you can play by itself but then gives no information

[fair summit]

If you mean D&D Beyond (The official site for D&D), it might be an issue with the site. You could ask in #ddb-support

I don't use Beyond myself, but I do know if you own the adventures, they should have more than just a map, and actually include the adventure information

[tough belfry]

Thank you

I didn’t realise it would take so long to start playing

I have spent the last hour and half looking for adventures to play and attempting to get started
So tempted just to give up cause this is way too much Inness stress

[fair summit]

yeah D&D isn't a game where you can just click "play" and start playing immediately. You'd generally get a group to play with, which can take a while 😛

And as for playing solo, it doesn't really work unless someone has made a specific adventure, which tend to be more of a "choose your own adventure" -type of things, rather than D&D exactly

You really don't

[glass granite]

Yeah, I second Saragonvoid

I haven’t spent a dime on commissions, and I’ve played for two years

[lean wigeon]

when and how did the whole sentiment of "sub-optimal character == better roleplaying" come into fruition anyway

some of the absolute worst takes i've ever heard honestly

[fair summit]

Now I also happen to be an artist, so it makes making tokens and whatever I want for the adventures easy on that front, but you absolutely dont need any art at all if you dont want to. Theater of mind is just describing and imagining things in your, well, minds

[tough belfry]

Yeah no I knew that. I can’t play with anyone irl. Before today I spent a few months searching for parties to join but couldn’t find any. Where I live there’s also not many people around who play dnd

[woven flint]

I gotta agree with the Kobold, you can be an Optimal character, still have weaknesses and flaws.. and get the equal amount of roleplay the same way
Playing a suboptimal character purposefully only drags the party down, if you're doing it just to be a bad character

[fair summit]

Playing online is also always an option, and wer have channels here for that in case you're interested in that

[tough belfry]

I have attempted to play online but can never find a party/adventure that suits my time zone

[remote wadi]

So, a possible campaign in the future wil be 2024

And I wanted to take that time to plan out a Monk character. Not sure about good ways to build them, though. They seem... limited

[empty thicket]

Yeah, while you in theory dont need any item in general, can still use stuff but... giga limited and honestly, unarmed attacks let you do even better job at some point

work more in the story of that character and in how you would move in battle.
Beside those 2 points, can use some ASI for stuff that give you more damage to unnarmed

[grim dawn]

Yo chat can someone please help me I'm new ?

[empty thicket]

hi there buddy, look, you can go to #dnd-newcomers and there you are going to get all the help you need and more
Btw, any favorite spell?

[grim dawn]

Not yet 😕 (i know what spells are ) but I don't have one yet I'm making my OC into my character

[remote wadi]

At least weapons aren't a huge problem. Daggers seem to do the job quite nicely

[grim dawn]

I'm playing as a Eldritch Knight

[empty thicket]

that seems nice, good, fighter is a good starter

[hot gate]

With 2024 you've got quite a lot of power in the base class and the subclasses deliver powerful flavor. They're just not as "buildable" as a warlock or a fighter might be.

[grim dawn]

Sorry autocorrect I meant OC

[empty thicket]

Yeah, weapons and armor arent a problem, you can see to do stuff outside battle like building stuff, helping allies in some ways, etc. etc.

[grim dawn]

I'm playing as a Eldritch Knight

[empty thicket]

dont be too harsh with yoursrlf, its okey, yeah, i saw itbuddy

[fair summit]

That would be a Fighter Subclass 😎

[empty thicket]

Fighter is good for start, you can see and check stuff

[grim dawn]

Yeah it it's like a mix between mage and fighter right ?

[fair summit]

Pretty much. Basically fighter who gets some wizard spells to use

[remote wadi]

The question is, what species would be good to consider?

[empty thicket]

yeah, that is a problem from the whole class. Its good by itself but you cant customize too much. Only the way you play it mostly, if more aggressive, if more tactic, etc. etc.

[empty thicket]

2024? isnt it?

[remote wadi]

Yeah

[hot gate]

If you are specifically looking for buildability, yeah, I can see how you see this as a problem.

On the other hand, if you're good with what they provide, they're awesome.

[empty thicket]

Dwarf would be so funny, a small jumpy adn speedy dwarf would be so peak

[remote wadi]

As for the subclass, I'm currently a little torn between Open Hand and Mercy

[empty thicket]

Oh yeah, i wont deny that, the class give you all you need. But again, The class give you ALL you need.

[remote wadi]

Would be a bit counterintuitive, though. I like playing dwarves that are hearty and maybe a bit crazy

[empty thicket]

You cant do like most martials that can pick a weapon and turn it into part of their identity
You cant get spells and use them to define you too like some casters or each caster idea

[woven flint]

I don't see how that wouldn't work with a Monk
Only the most.. you know.. durable class in the game that isn't a caster

[empty thicket]

me too, i just thought would be funny

[woven flint]

Also Monks don't have to ACT a specific way

You can have a crazy monk character

[remote wadi]

Because it's hard to play a class that is disciplined with both body and mind when you're a dwarf who loves his fair share of food and drink

If I wanted to try a borderline glutton monk, I would consider asking a panda for help

[woven flint]

Dwarves are incredibly resilient in Mind and Body naturally anyway though?

[remote wadi]

Not saying they're not. It's just how I like playing Dwarves. Besides, if I was going to be a dwarf, it would be either a cleric or fighter

[empty thicket]

Dragonborn can be a way, not only for the breath but in story wise you can be found by some monks and trained in their ways. Until you wanted to find your way.

Human is a classic, no one dislike it and love it but its always good

Orc is poetic, a race that most of the time is related with violence is going through a trip to forge mind and body through battles and meditation.

[woven flint]

I mean, that's fair, but I'm not seeing the point of Monk not being fitting for a Dwarf, they're probably one of, if not THE most disciplined species in their practices anyway
(Wasn't directed to the message directly above btw lol)

[empty thicket]

Its okey, but you have there my tree options from me.

[woven flint]

Any class can be fitting for any species!

Except Minotaurs.
If you're gonna play a Minotaur you'd best damn play a Fighter or a Barbarian!!!! /silly

[glass granite]

Just saw this message, hi again, but are you sure this adventure is compatible with solo play?

Most DnD campaigns arent

[tough belfry]

it said it was on dnd beyond

[empty thicket]

Kinda, half orc in 2014 would be better in martials for the critic in melee thingy.

[woven flint]

(I joke about this, but Minotaur culture is famously so Anti-Magic that even the Minotaur Clerics that DO exist are occasionally hunted down and killed for the sake of sport/their horns by other Minotaur)

[glass granite]

In the book itself?

[empty thicket]

in any way, any of the three i told you are good for you buddy?

[tough belfry]

it nevere showed a book it just said it was compatable for solo players

[empty thicket]

Human
Orc
Dragonborn

[woven flint]

I've had an Orc Monk.
His name was Yurukarth.
He was a Mercy Monk, somewhat of a "pacifist".
He'd kill monsters, but he'd never kill people.

Anytime he was in combat with any humanoid creature, he'd always knock them out.

[empty thicket]

batman style? break both legs and arms so the bad person dont do bad things again?

[glass granite]

Where did you find this? I’m looking for it…

[woven flint]

Nope, he didn't seek to create long lasting injuries

He'd always heal folks afterwards

Yurukarth believed a message could be shown through strength.
But he believed a true message was shown through restraint

The people could very well want to kill him, that didn't change anything about his views

[glass granite]

DnD just isn’t designed for solo play, so I’d be surprised if there was a DnD module that specifically stated it was compatible
Maybe DM a screenshot to me?

[cloud scarab]

I didn't realize solo play D&D was a thing

[remote wadi]

Maybe i can do Human, but I'd need to think of a good origin feat. Lucky or Tough, but if i chose skilled, idk what proficiencies i would want

Also, how would you play DnD by yourself?