dnd-discussion

[idle oar]

Please use #homebrew for homebrew discussions

[crimson gulch]

First blood has been drawn this year! i had a pc die twice last night

[mild zephyr]

i was wondering, how many of yall read books.. like books not mangas or manhwas on donghuwas actual books, online or offline don't matter

[stark bay]

No idea how to do that honestly. Imma ask my DM I guess.

[knotty pasture]

Goliaths let's go

[still plover]

There's always the option of finding a species that's got suitable features and changing the description. As long as you're not touching the rules parts, you can get a lot done.

[boreal forum]

I just got the first 4 fnaf novels, and i occasionally try to write

Keyword Try

[mild zephyr]

would u be willing to read smt im working on?

[still plover]

You could say, my vampire guy has inhuman strength and resilience represented by the stone goliath traits, for instance. Okay, the "getting big" feature is a bit of an outlier, but perhaps you call it your Dread Presence instead.

[boreal forum]

Ah reflavoring, the reason i was able to play a heavily mutated rat

[boreal forum]

Sure

[still plover]

Which species did you use?

[boreal forum]

I used Jerbeen at first but as the campaign went on it changed to simic hybrid

[mild zephyr]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1NrNEe0RcnDLYUDIVfMr6OTdwWewS_s61QrZ2DW3NcX4/edit?usp=sharing

here ya go

[boreal forum]

Thx

[mild zephyr]

ik this a bit long, but i'd appreciate any feedback

[pure lodge]

hello everyone, I'm here because I have a question, I'm pretty curious about what do you guys think is the best dnd version for narrative fans ? I mean the one with less TTRPG combats
I've read that people really like 3.5, 2 and 4 before 5e, have you tried them and what do you think ?

[spring light]

5e works just fine for narrative focus, but if you're interested in a system that is mechanically designed around social intrigue, d&d isn't really specifically for that.

[mild zephyr]

5e or 4 seems best in my opinin

or u could just.. roleplay everything

even combat

[knotty pasture]

Skip combat encounters by auto winning and skipping fights

[spring light]

3.5 is really crunchy. 4 is kind of a strange outlier, built to work more like an mmo.

[mild zephyr]

not that

[knotty pasture]

Pack four Bards with different skill proficiencies each, gee gee

[spring light]

if you really want narrative focused system, daggerheart might be what you wanna look at

[remote wadi]

If spellcasters could be more versatile with what and how often they could cast spells

Would it be fair to give warlock something to be able to keep up under the presumption that that do need it?

[mild zephyr]

im talking like.. everything is roleplay, u don't use any dice.. dm decides everything.

[mild zephyr]

to an extent yes.

[spring light]

why are we boosting spellcasters?

[pure lodge]

okey!

[remote wadi]

Long story

But current campaign has a rule to turn spell slots i to something akin to a MP meter/system

[mild zephyr]

then just give warlocks an mp meter aswell

[remote wadi]

Warlocks probably would not be able to keep up due to a low MP and everyone else being able to cast higher level spells more often

[pure lodge]

that seems like a terrible idea

[spring light]

warlocks are built around the idea of short rests being available.

are you removing long and short rests?

[remote wadi]

The problem is, it's based off of spell slots. At at level 11, full spellcasters have 47 MP while warlock has only 15

[mild zephyr]

then just give them more bruh.. if its a homebrew rule it doesn't have to be prefect, just change it up

[remote wadi]

I'm not the DM. But I did want to leave feedback in case DM does bring the system back. Seems a bit promising with some tweaks

[spring light]

are short rests removed from this system?

[remote wadi]

No. But combats are still uncommon. Currently 5 sessions have passed, and outside of the initial big dungeon, it's been roughly 1-2 encounters per long rest

[knotty pasture]

Man your table must really hate Rangers and Warlocks

1-2 encounters per long rest is really good for spellcasters, just dump all spells without a care

[spring light]

this system seems like it's trying to address a non-existant issue and making things more complex

[remote wadi]

Sorcerer would also struggle to have sorcery points matter. But to be fair, this seems more like an experimental rule that could have stood to be a bit more fleshed out

Thus, me bringing it up to chat and saying if the following rule would be good

[knotty pasture]

Sorcery Points are changed again?

With 1-2 long rests I'd just spam twinned spells like no one's business

[remote wadi]

For Warlock, I think they could have the ability to upcast a spell 2 higher levels than normal, but only be able to do so x times per long rest. X bring proficiency bonus

[remote wadi]

Nope, they stay the same

[knotty pasture]

Oh yeah this is a solid Sorc buff

[remote wadi]

No, that was for Warlock

[knotty pasture]

I meant Sorcery Points not getting changed + 1-2 encounters per long rest

[remote wadi]

Sorcerer, doesn't seem to get much from Sorcery points

[spring light]

with only 2 combats per long rest, spell casters are stupidly powerful

[knotty pasture]

If I were the Sorc I'd spam Twinned Haste per combat and just watch my martials delete all enemies in turn 1

[still plover]

Make short rests ten minutes, make long rests a day.

[spring light]

i still don't grasp why the magic system needs to be swapped to mp instead of spellslots

[remote wadi]

Don't ask me, I wasn't the DM

[knotty pasture]

Wait till you hear about the indirect Ranger nerfs 😔

[spring light]

you're bringing a question here and asking for solutions, so i am providing feedback and needing more clarity.

[remote wadi]

On second thought... maybe that knowledge is better off not unleashed

[spring light]

But, a dirty and easy solution, why not have spells cost half as much for warlocks? That'd effectively double their mp and still make short rests useful but not crucial

[mild zephyr]

i think the dm is just a big rpg game ne- enthusiast

[knotty pasture]

Its just common sense when your Sorcery Points are pseudo infinite with how frequent long rests are

[tawdry sentinel]

It does just seem like a blanket caster buff. At some point shield and the like are basically free.

[knotty pasture]

You'd be doing something wrong if you aren't having some kinda metamagic effect up at all times

[remote wadi]

So, the campaign i am in, the DM has that rule. Warlock would not beenfit much from having his main gimmick basically be neutered

[spring light]

the real "buff" is having only 1 or 2 combat encounters per long rest.

[remote wadi]

Was asking if this would be a good rule to suggest for future campaigns to compensate for Warlock

[knotty pasture]

I'd just avoid Warlock altogether if its 1-2 combat encounters per long rest

[spring light]

@remote wadi

[knotty pasture]

Unless long rests are more stretched out I don't think Warlock's it

[mild zephyr]

@boreal forum still reading?.. i mean yeah its not small

[boreal forum]

Yeah quite big but so far i'm enjoying it

[remote wadi]

Then they basically become a budget wizard. I liked the idea of Warlocks being a glass cannon in the sense of casting few, but high damaging spells

[mild zephyr]

LETS GOO

[knotty pasture]

Because why Warlock when you can Wizard/Sorc? You'd replenish your highest level spells at the same rate (and Wizard/Sorc isn't restricted to two high level spells)

[tawdry sentinel]

Yeah that's garbage.

Never gonna do anything meaningful.

Playing solasta ATM and that'll have you get two medium difficulty random encounters pretty much every time you're on the road. But it's a guaranteed long rest after so you just cast fireball until everything is dead without a care in the world.

[remote wadi]

I would prefer to find ways to lean into that more rather than take away individuality

[spring light]

the mp system and maybe 2 combats means that warlocks are not worth playing.

mostly the number of combats per long rest

[knotty pasture]

Its mainly the two combats, you can give Warlocks infinite MP and I'd still pick Sorc over Warlock lol

[mild zephyr]

blood, did u ask ur dm if he has smt against warlocks?

[boreal forum]

I really like warlocks

[spring light]

it's also a silent nerf to martials, to have only 1 or 2 combats per long rest.

[remote wadi]

So I brought up that rule to make Warlocks possibly worth playing

With that said, we are about to start session 6 Saturday, so the campaign is still young and subject to twists

[boreal forum]

I made a warlock bard multiclass, they have a piano

[remote wadi]

They have plenty of other rules for buffs, DW about that

[remote wadi]

No?

[hollow stone]

i'm making a warlock-battlemaster in a campaign, but we're at level 1 so i can't do anything right now, i have 1 level in fighter

[spring light]

It's really hard to provide meaningful feedback when not all of the information is shared, and when asking questions get told "don't worry about it"

[mild zephyr]

ever done the dropping piano on a enemy like cartoons did?

[spring light]

so, good luck with your wonky campaign! it sounds like you're having fun anyay!

[mild zephyr]

ask that, it might explain the prob XD

[boreal forum]

Main point of the build actually

[mild zephyr]

are gif allowed here?

[spring light]

no

[mild zephyr]

FAHHHHHHHHHH

[idle oar]

No. Also no memes are allowed.

See server rules

[mild zephyr]

I did and i forgor them

[remote wadi]

I'm saying that it is a dumb thing to ask and likely not true. He isn't that seasoned

[boreal forum]

Pact of the blade warlock for a bound "weapon" said weapon being the piano

[mild zephyr]

how long has he been dming?

[remote wadi]

Oh. I'm saying martials got plenty of buffs too. But if I were to explain that, I would be here all day

[mild zephyr]

to the phrase "music in my soul".. is literal for you?

[remote wadi]

From the looks of it, can't be more than 7 modules

[spring light]

is your dm sure he wants to play d&d and not another system?

[boreal forum]

What soul? They sold it for a teleporting piano

[mild zephyr]

gng i mean how long, as in time 😭 the hell is 7 modules

[remote wadi]

Idek

I just got off of 4 consecutive 12 hour shifts mann

[mild zephyr]

so isn't the piano ur soul.. technically?

[mild zephyr]

so u hvn't slept?

[remote wadi]

System seems pretty good and quite fun. Like I said, just could use a tweak or 2

[remote wadi]

I have. This is just having a small bit of free time again

[mild zephyr]

twin. sleep.again. instead of talking to strangers about pretend with rules 😭 🙏

[remote wadi]

That's the plan

[boreal forum]

No the bone fairy they sold it to has it

[mild zephyr]

what if u break ur piano? (i have no info on how warlocks work tbh)

[boreal forum]

So the way the bound weapon works is you essentially have an infinite suply of that weapon

[mild zephyr]

can i send screenshots here?

[boreal forum]

But 1 at a time

[hollow stone]

Pact Of The Blade weapons can be conjured as a Bonus Action, or you can bond to a Magic Weapon, also as a Bonus Action

[boreal forum]

Not an images channel

[mild zephyr]

i see

[idle oar]

Again no. But you can share links as long as you follow server rules and explain the link

[boreal forum]

Yeah the piano is conjoured

[hollow stone]

idk if that'd work, since there's no actual range on the ability and it appears in your hand/inventory

i gotta get the text description of it but i know it doesn't have a range

yea the spell explicitly states the weapon appears in your hand

[minor cargo]

Ugh, I have to travel for work again and that means cancelling two more weeks of D&D for my home game. 😭

They were just about to enter sewers and do a bunch of back-to-back combats (including fighting a Megapede).

[hollow stone]

aw that sucks

[crimson gulch]

ah that sucks

[boreal forum]

Thats why its a goliath, so their hand can be above the enemy

If they're medium or small

[hollow stone]

at that point just flatten them with a war hammer, tho?

[crimson gulch]

my wife wants to take the family to mexico this year so i am going to have to cancel 16 games

for a two week trip

[minor cargo]

But sounds like a rad vacation!

[boreal forum]

A piano is heavier than a warhammer though

[hollow stone]

16 games in two weeks??? you really are full time damn 😭

[humble cairn]

Full time and paid, actually pro.

Which is amazing.

[crimson gulch]

yeah, thats accounting for a couple recovery days after the travel too

its the 9th of January and i have allready ran 7 sessions this year

[hollow stone]

yea but a piano would be an Improvised Weapon, which is 1d4, and also you would build more energy from the momentum of the warhammer, as the leverage gets the hammer up to speed and moving faster than gravity would get the piano to move in the like, 4 feet of space it has to descend tops

[crimson gulch]

bards can be proficent in piano

[hollow stone]

the action economy of hitting them with a war hammer is just better than the piano, plus it has a Mastery

[crimson gulch]

It really is, im having a blast doing this, upgraded my studio for online games recently

[boreal forum]

Fall damage actually, it also takes up a whole space too

Because pianos are big

[hollow stone]

there are no rules for fall damage transferring from an object to what it lands on

[crimson gulch]

there are indeed rules for improvising damage for big things falling on people

[hollow stone]

those are TCE tho, aren't they?

[crimson gulch]

they are on the back of the dm screen and in the DMG in fact

[hollow stone]

oh, nvm then

[boreal forum]

And a piano is pretty heavy

[crimson gulch]

page 30 DMG 2024

[boreal forum]

And it takes up a whole square

[unreal garnet]

a character that can only breathe underwater

[boreal forum]

Sounds like those fish guys

[unreal garnet]

idek bro

[boreal forum]

Not tritons but the literal fish guys

[unreal garnet]

i thought of it at shoool

[boreal forum]

Locantha

[remote wadi]

Maybe I'm crazy, but

Is Warlock having Invocations and Subclasses really the same power as full spellcasters having their best spells more often?

[unreal garnet]

flowkirkenuinely it seems really cool

but idk how to get in

[boreal forum]

Bit rude i'm trying to help you

[unreal garnet]

oh crep i didtn mean it like tt gng rudeness my love language 🙏

[boreal forum]

Also Locantha, thats the race i couldnt remember the name of and it is literally that

[knotty pasture]

Metamagic is the kicker here

Combat sessions don't last long enough for Wizard's MP to start being an issue

[boreal forum]

Also grung are water reliant

[unreal garnet]

guys

uhh

[remote wadi]

Metamagic, yeah

But for Warlocks... idk

[unreal garnet]

is yhere a way i can play like online

[remote wadi]

#looking-for-players

[unreal garnet]

tuff ty

[boreal forum]

Dnd is just saying words and doing math

[remote wadi]

Buh bye

[minor cargo]

There's an article on this!

https://www.dndbeyond.com/posts/750-new-players-guide-how-to-play-d-d-online

[boreal forum]

With rules

[unreal garnet]

xactly

[unreal garnet]

ty gng

[remote wadi]

Anyways, I just don't see how getting spells back on a short rest is that useful when you already have all the spellcasting in the world as a full spellcaster

And mind you, homebrew MP system means that you have those higher level spells much more often

[hollow stone]

tbh not really, like there are a few invocations that are kinda strong and one that just blatantly plagiarizes something Fighters already do

[remote wadi]

Wizard having 16 MP means that he could have access to 5 fireballs per long rest vs 2

[hollow stone]

give Warlocks 9th level spell slots at level 13

[remote wadi]

And at that same level, Warlocks have only 6 MP

[boreal forum]

Give them 9th level spell slots at level 1

[remote wadi]

Asked DM about it, and idek if "downcasting" is worth all that

[unreal garnet]

wot is down casting

[remote wadi]

Like, why is a warlock trying to use low level utility spells? That's a spellcaster's thing

Aren't they supposed to be focused on casting few, but high powered spells?

[hollow stone]

yea that's why like 9 invocations are "cast x without a spell slot"

[remote wadi]

Wizards would need 1-3 MP most times. However will the treasury bear such a vast expense??

[boreal forum]

Fun fact:Warlocks are spellcasters :D

[hollow stone]

MP is Mana Points/Spell Slots, right?

[remote wadi]

Not considered full spellcasters, which is what I mean when I use the term

[humble cairn]

Warlocks are flexible. I can make a Warlock based fully around Mask of Many Faces and Misty Visions.

[remote wadi]

Homebrew system. Casting level, and max MP vary on spell slots (level 5 full is 16 from 4 1s, 3 2s, 2 3s)

[humble cairn]

Invocations to be able to cast Disguise Self and Silent Illusion at will are pretty dang useful if you want to play an illusionist.

[remote wadi]

So instead of needing to use a spell slot, you use up MP

Used a fireball? It's just using 3 MP. As ling as you have the MP for it, fair game

[remote wadi]

Read the other messages. Context is needed

[crimson gulch]

Spell points are a bad optional rule imo

[remote wadi]

Disclaimer: NOT the same as spell points

[spring light]

especially in the game he's referring to, where they only have 1 or 2 combats per long rest

[crimson gulch]

Oh that's terrible

[spring light]

there are also apparently buffs to martial classes.

but this effectively makes warlocks a completely undesirable class to play

[remote wadi]

So the question is: what's the point of trying to paint Warlock getting 6 MP back from a short rest as balanced and needs no help

When wizard is right there. Full MP. Fireball prepared

[humble cairn]

Do you have the full text of the new rules you're using here?

[spring light]

the system doesn't feel balanced right, is what i've been saying.

[crimson gulch]

Take it to the homebrew channel

[timid anvil]

I feel like this is more a discussion suited for #homebrew

[remote wadi]

You thought 1 fireball is devastating. Try 5 before needing a long rest

[hollow stone]

i mean the entire way that warlocks work is that they discard the illusion of MP and all of their spells are at the highest level slot they have access to

[humble cairn]

Also yes, this does seem like a #homebrew discussion.

[remote wadi]

Yes. I'll be in the proper channel

[remote wadi]

I'll explain there

[crimson gulch]

Warlocks with fireball can pump out many of them through the day, feind gets them that spell

[hollow stone]

i won't be there for you to explain i don't wanna continue talking about mp

[humble cairn]

But your DM has too many homebrew rules, imo.

[crimson gulch]

My game last night is in a dungeon crawl they are on combat 6 of the day and long rest 4

[lethal otter]

Good eave yakk

[spring light]

sounds like the dm wants to play a different system

[lethal otter]

How is everyone

[warm summit]

No such thing, the game doesn't fall apart if you tweak it

[remote wadi]

Agreed. But it could be worse, I suppose

[remote wadi]

Also, I can tell you haven't seen the context

[spring light]

what?

[warm summit]

No such thing as too much homebrew

[remote wadi]

Also, where is everyone? Like they dipped the moment I tried to change channels

[spring light]

Interesting take.

[remote wadi]

Second that

[spring light]

so if I have a homebrew rule that any spell can be cast as a cantrip, that doesn't break anything and feels fairly balanced?

[warm summit]

Asking people to change channels is usually kind of a conversation killer on discord 🤷‍♂️ but this place is over moderated

[stark arch]

wat would be the best way to get +6 charisma modifier ?

[remote wadi]

Use IRL charisma to beg DM

[spring light]

keeping topics in appropriate channels makes a lot of sense, and this is a gigantic public channel for a huge IP

[woven echo]

Heyyyy

[spring light]

as a dm i openly accept bribes

[woven echo]

I'm new to DnD so can anyone help me?

[stark arch]

its called a discord for a reason and not a forum...

[spring light]

welcome to the hobby! Might wanna check out #dnd-newcomers

[fair summit]

Pretty sure Tome of Leadership and Influence is the only way to take Charisma beyond +5, since score of 20 is usually the maximum

[remote wadi]

I personally enjoy an occasional deal with the devil as long as it's both reasonable and in good fun

[woven echo]

Sure!

[spring light]

yeah, but still... if you bribe me, even subtly, it'll probably help things go in your favor.

[remote wadi]

Well, yeah. But 2 problems
No IRL charisma (prefer wisdom/logic)
And am broke

[warm summit]

Well no that would definitely change the game you're playing but I think fair and balanced are kinda silly notions in tabletop anyway. I was more just saying you can and should change as much as you want, no such thing as too much homebrew

[spring light]

i also let players roll persuasion against me the dm

[stark arch]

wats the save DC ?

[spring light]

so you're saying that it would impact the game perhaps negatively, but also is not a problem?

[warm summit]

I didn't say I'm surprised by it, just said it kills conversations and it do tend to

[spring light]

it depends. but usually it's around 15

[stark arch]

how about i cast suggestion on you instead and you rol for me 😄

[spring light]

no. that fails.

[warm summit]

No, I'm saying it would change the game radically but if the table agrees to it it's not a problem

[humble cairn]

I personally like how this server is moderated. It makes it safe and organized and actually useful for me.

[marble lion]

There is also a difference between "amount of homebrew" and "quality of homebrew"

Saying there cant be too much homebrew doesnt sanction bad homebrew

[warm summit]

I agree but dude gave me a silly hypothetical

[spring light]

enough homebrew, and you're probably more interested in a different system...

[spring light]

it was a bit silly, but it's stress-testing your statement.

[marble lion]

It had nothing to do with his

[warm summit]

Stress testing or straw manning?

[marble lion]

He talked about quantity of homebrew

[empty thicket]

just that, Scare the person, modify memory, repeat until heart attack

[marble lion]

You posed a question about poorly balanced homebrew. Thats quality

[remote wadi]

That's the other problem. -2 Chr in game

[spring light]

no, you roll. not your character.

[remote wadi]

...so how exactly would...

[spring light]

you roll a flat d20

[sleek cloud]

I rolled an 18

[spring light]

for?

[sleek cloud]

I would like to convince the dm to order a pizza to the table

[remote wadi]

Am I better off not knowing and brain not hurty and go boom?

[spring light]

no.

[sleek cloud]

Drat, what was the dc

[empty thicket]

If it was irl for me i would had some already, i make godlike pizzas

[spring light]

i already bring snacks, books, pens, paper, minis, map, music, backdrop....

[sleek cloud]

What kind of snacks

[spring light]

cookies, chips, candy

individually packaged items, specifically.

[sleek cloud]

Understandable

[spring light]

but i cleared out my snack bag at our final session, and will have to get fresh stuff next campaign

[minor cargo]

But there's something so nostalgic about having pizza grease stains on a character sheet. 🤩

[sleek cloud]

You’re so right

[remote wadi]

Man, I wish I had in person DnD options

[sleek cloud]

It gives the character sheet…well, character

[spring light]

check university clubs, libraries, local game stores?

[minor cargo]

Back in high school, we had a ritual where at some point, we'd decide our character sheets were TOO beaten up (eraser marks, tears, stains, etc.) and we'd make a big deal of re-creating them. Usually we picked a time after a big story beat, too.

[remote wadi]

I am in the middle of nowhere. Even if I wasn't, I have a difficult work schedule. Mon-Thurs, 17:30-05:30

[sleek cloud]

Tears or tears

[crimson gulch]

And that's why I print sheets on heavy cards stock

[remote wadi]

By the way, small pet peeve incoming

Why do people like to deflect like what I'm going to say next?

"Everyone has their own spellcasting system. Warlock's is just unique"

Like, yes. They are unique, but they're clearly not created equally

[spring light]

warlocks are balanced around using short rests, and invocations

[remote wadi]

I know, but to say that all spellcasters are equal is a joke and is asking to be mocked

[spring light]

how is it a joke worthy of mockery?

[remote wadi]

Mocked was a strong word

[spring light]

derision?

[remote wadi]

Point being, someone will make a vague and true statement to try and justify the more specific problem

[spring light]

i mean i believe they are fairly balanced, in a typical campaign, where long rests are somewhat infrequent and there are multiple encounters per long rest

[spring light]

it's the internet, that's how it do.

[crimson gulch]

all the classes are great in their own way

[ashen kelp]

Every tabletop community I go to, they always mention Matt Mercer atleast once a week, what, is he the Boardgame Lebron James?

[remote wadi]

That being an example of the peeve

[minor cargo]

Discord, and this space in particular, just kind of have the problem where "vague" statements and "frustration/rage/confusion" get engaged with the most.

I can definitely empathize with it being frustrating trying to have a conversation when that kind of stuff happens. There are definitely times where the conversation happening looks like it's just a giant misunderstanding... and that's when I close Discord for a bit.

[spring light]

we rarely, if ever, bring up specific games or dm at my lgs.

[crimson gulch]

dunno who lebron is, but Matt mercer is the lead Creative director of Critical role who was a huge contributor to the runaway popularity of DND over the last 10 years by streaming his show

[remote wadi]

Yes, each class does have their own uses and niches

But are we really going to pretend that each way a class can be great is equally valuable and necessary?

[spring light]

yes.

[crimson gulch]

im not pretending, each class is valuable and great and nessisary

[spring light]

except ranger.

[ashen kelp]

Ah, ic

[crimson gulch]

i cast hunters mark on Name

[remote wadi]

And there we go lol

[humble cairn]

The ultimate value of any class or subclass is how much fun someone can have with it, which makes it entirely subjective.

[jovial shadow]

Forgive the intrusion, but I am doing a sound check. Could someone respond to me

[ashen kelp]

Can I ask, where did you get ur pfp?

[humble cairn]

Such a bad meme.

[jovial shadow]

Darn it.no sound

[spring light]

i asked an ai to imagine what i looked like as a pfp

[crimson gulch]

the real problem is, certian classes shine WAY TO MUCH when Dungeonmasters go to easy on the party

[ashen kelp]

If this is what it came up with, your jaw is solid stone

[crimson gulch]

to few combats, to low of a challange

[remote wadi]

But that's the sort of thing I see everywhere. Vague and often true statement, but could be picked apart so easily

[spring light]

uhm... thanks?

[ashen kelp]

:3

[crimson gulch]

i can get as specific as you want, i do this for a living

[spring light]

that's the nature of internet arguments.

[humble cairn]

The fact that the ultimate value of a class is subjective?

[hollow stone]

my pfp is a frog

[spring light]

i see that.

[crimson gulch]

a casual player or dm that runs a or plays a couple times a month will take years to see the whole picture and the full capabilities of every class

[remote wadi]

At the end of the day, is just one common scenario among them all.

Ranger exploration can be useful, but exploration is rare or not present in most sessions I see or hear about

[ashen kelp]

Also gms, a question, let's say one of the players has to stop playing, does the whole session end right there?

[crimson gulch]

Ranger exploration features aside, they are DEADLY in combat and often carry whole teams

[spring light]

like a player gets up in the middle of a session "i have to go now, my people need me?"

[small heath]

well the difficult part (and this is my case, as a new player) is trying to find more campaigns to join to get more experience, that actually fits within my desired schedule & interests.

[harsh hinge]

Up to the table, really.

[ashen kelp]

A very pragmatic way of putting it, but yes

[remote wadi]

I would have total faith in you, but this is also referring to the average DM. Just saying

[crimson gulch]

yes, this is the true difficulty. Thats why i became a dm so i can control the shedual

[small heath]

Like 90% of everything I see in #looking-for-players literally contradicts my personal schedule because everyone wants tuesday, thursday, or the weekends 😭

[spring light]

It is really going to depend. Was this discussed before hand? Is something going on at the table that is causing discomfort?

[small heath]

I need monday or wednesday xD

[remote wadi]

Mood

[ashen kelp]

Let's sya something sudden, unforseen, abrupt

[crimson gulch]

Vauge generalizations be like that at times

[minor cargo]

For us, the context will matter.

Like if someone has to take a phone call and will be back in 20 minutes? Sounds like a great time for a break.

If someone has to leave the game and take care of something like at home? We figure out of it makes sense to keep playing or stopping depending on the scene(s) we're currently in.

If someone has to leave the game because of general safety/wellbeing, it'll again depend on the situation. If a topic came up and it triggered a trauma response, we need to gauge if direct support is needed or if we should give them space.

I realize this is kind of a non-answer but... hoping it helps?

[spring light]

it's really going to depend. I tend to keep my sessions running, but if something is happening at the table, that can be a different story.

[boreal forum]

Absolutely amazing

[humble cairn]

The fact that the value of each class is subjective is why I think the "best/worst" questions around here are just not useful or helpful.

[remote wadi]

Fair enough. Just one of those pet peeve i hear about a LOT and wanted to speak about

Anyways, time to retire for the morning and afternoon, catch yall later

[boreal forum]

My pfp is a lizard with a pie hat

[ashen kelp]

What happens to their PC if the able does keep playing

[crimson gulch]

my user image is a photo of me killing PC's with Tiamat

[spring light]

is there a specific question you're trying to get at?

[small heath]

This actually happened at the last sessions in the main campaign I am in. One of our party members is a legit parent and has a whole family to take care of, and something came up that made them leave. At the same time, we have a person who is a normal working adult not arrive (one of our high level wizards for our party) because of them being out with friends.

At the minimum, they both at least gave us a heads up before the session started, but still it kind of stalls the pacing and it makes it slightly annoying to progress the story.

[hollow stone]

sleeping in the cart, with my dm at least

[minor cargo]

Generally they just kind of fade into the background and we try our best to keep that in mind.

[empty thicket]

mine is a duck with some jacket, tie and a little hat

[ashen kelp]

I'm just seeing a scenario where what if the player is suddenly unavailable to play, like what's the backup here

[crimson gulch]

The show must go on is my general rule, we play with who shows up, as long as we hit a minimum number that is different based on the total table size

[spring light]

like... life happens and they have to go?
then go, life comes first.
your character fades out of existence as far as i care.

if something is happening at the table?
we might need to have a different conversation.

If this is a regular thing?
A different conversation.

this is really something that will be table and situation specific, and if it's something you forsee being an issue, should be brought up with your dm and table.

[small heath]

Yeah. The difficult part is that this actually made an encounter harder because the DM designed our encounter with the expectation of everyone showing up (and even asked ahead of time before he finalized everything), just to have our wizard cancel like 20 minutes before we started.

One of us almost died 😭

[crimson gulch]

yeah, you gotta ajust for party size when this happens

[small heath]

In a DM's mindset, how would you adjust?

[ashen kelp]

Alr, thx for info

[spring light]

lower ac, less hp, fewer enemies... off the top of my head.
gonna depend on the situation and encounter.

[small heath]

This encounter was part 1 with the BBEG, who will be a reoccuring threat.

[spring light]

fewer legendary actions, fewer minions

[crimson gulch]

the exp budget for encounter building, the math of encounters

[small heath]

Luckily we won because I got an insane lucky crit, with our Paladin remembering an item he held on since the beginning that was meant "for emergencies"

But regardless it did make the situation a bit more stressful lol

[crimson gulch]

hard combats where you are in danger are super good

[buoyant oar]

For me HP is a loose number not a hard number. Since HP is a measure of stamina and not health points. I can be a bit loosey-goosey with that which can adjust a combat's length and therefore difficulty. Since D&D's combat is a war of attrition

[stray sage]

would you consider D&D to be a strategy?

[spring light]

gonna agree with urizt here, and say that your specific situation sounds like it was still balanced fairly.

[crimson gulch]

no, DND is a Roleplaying game

[buoyant oar]

Plus HP is one of the few numbers that you can edit in game during the combat and not anybody would really notice.

[spring light]

didn't you ask this yesterday? and get upset that there are strategic elements?

[fair summit]

They definitely did, just searched it because it felt familiar

[stray sage]

ah sorry about that

[crimson gulch]

bleh i hate it when DMs change HP mid combat

[small heath]

Gotcha. I frankly enjoyed the BBEG part 1 battle because it felt like the first time I had to actually use my brain to make on-the-spot actions knowing we were down a vital PC of our party.

[delicate owl]

D&D is a ttrpg that has mechanics that can support strategic play, if used.

[small heath]

Even our DM complimented one of our party members with a solution they came up with and told us "I didn't really think about that. I'll run with it."

[jovial ermine]

Aren't all games in some way strategic though?

[buoyant oar]

I want my players to feel good in combat if I've got a player that feels like they haven't made much of an impact or they haven't gotten a kill on a major bad guy in a long time. But everybody else has. I'll add four or five hit points to the monster to keep them alive so that character can get a good kill

[small heath]

It was even more important to me because I'm the "new guy" in our PC. Everyone, including the DM, has years of playing meanwhile I only have like, little under 2 months and 5 sessions with the group at the time.

[crimson gulch]

Especialy now when there are PC abilities and monster abilities that trigger when they are bloodied, accurate HP tracking and preplanning is essnetial for fair gameplay

[buoyant oar]

And if the Paladin gets a critical hit and uses their max level smite. And the undead has like three HP left that's not satisfying to that player a lot of the time. Let the Paladin go all out

[small heath]

I'm the note taker for our group so I actually log all damage stats and conditions and turn orders in a google document everyone can access. This was very useful in indicating when someone is bloodied and what was the result of it.

And since we know the BBEG (and his new companion) is going to be reoccurring through the RP itself, we can review what happened and what to expect.

[buoyant oar]

What you shouldn't do is add dozens or hundreds of HP to a monster mid-fight.

[small heath]

Our DM is good at hiding his plans, but he encourages our theories and is surprised on what we are able to predict.

[buoyant oar]

A dm that encourages theory crafting is a better one

Ad my players theory craft against conspiracy theories. I'm an active participant either to help them or sometimes throw them off

[delicate owl]

That is subjective

[humble cairn]

Secret DM move: Let the party speculate, then make the most interesting idea true, even if it wasn't planned that way.

[spring light]

do it sometimes

[lavish flame]

Whenever an enemy gets knocked to like 2 hit points I often just make the monster die. Especially if the session time is almost over

[buoyant oar]

Yeah, that's a good piece of advice but I wouldn't recommend doing it carte blanche. Have a plan but be willing to change it. But don't go in without one

[small heath]

I think I am fortunate that I happen to be in a party where everyone have their own "approach" to a D&D session and it actually meshes well. They like my strategizing and how I use my kobold's personality as a driving force for his motives and actions.

And this is my first ever campaign at that, with 0 prior experience to d&d.

I don't know if this is not as common as some people would hope for in a party.

[rose wedge]

I've recently hit my first table too. My only experience was Critical Role so I know basics but not mechanics.

[crimson gulch]

everyone is going to have their own approach for sure, i have 9 games going with about 55 avtive players total and every session is going to be different with how folks do things

[small heath]

I've always been one to strategize. So I often look at what abilities my party has used in the past in various encounters (for RP and combat), and come up with strategize of plans we can use. Not only does this help me understand my own character better (draconic sorcerer kobold), but helps me understand how other classes work as well.

[buoyant oar]

My West Marches/Living Campaign has Tinfoil Hat Hours. Where the players huddle to discuss twists related to the narrative.

[rose wedge]

I'm a rogue my strategy is: Hide.

[small heath]

I want to use an excuse to cast fireball but we're never in an open space 😭

It'll always be team damage unless I invest like, all my sorcerer points into careful spell

[knotty pasture]

Throw one anyways and call it a skill issue when your teammates are hurt

[small heath]

We're literally inside some high tech biological ship (its a homebrew campaign) created by some ancient dragonborn, and there are 3 allips present defending the interior.

Is where we left off.

[buoyant oar]

My players threw a fireball once in a tavern. They did it one time. Because they did not love, the two and a half sessions of being incarcerated and going through the legal system. And the fines. And the rebuilding of the tavern. LOL. But they did enjoy me using the house building song from Red Dead redemption 2 while they built the tavern back

[minor cargo]

If you're a sorcerer in 2024, you can take the "Careful Spell" metamagic option. 👀
oh you said that lol sorry

[small heath]

I have that. Problem: my charisma modifier is +4 and isn't +5 yet. So I am 1 short from protecting all of my party (and myself!)

[delicate owl]

Huh

[small heath]

So someone will take damage

[delicate owl]

Why is every ally of yours in the radius? Lol

[small heath]

We''re in a close space

[minor cargo]

Just let the rogue eat it. They can dodge it. Probably. 😆

[small heath]

Not much room to move with the setting.

[spring light]

sounds like fireball might not be the best option

[rose wedge]

cry emoji.

[small heath]

Our party consist of:
kobold sorcerer (me), tiefling artificer, minotaur paladin, geppettin monk, deepborn wizard, and dragonborn bloodhunter

Although because of last week, we don't have our wizard with us because he waas busy IRL so he's back at base.

[small heath]

Unfortunately no, don't think I could use it then 😭

[delicate owl]

Cool scene though. Someone with Shield Master voluntarily taking the blast just to hide behind their shield and possibly take nothing.

[small heath]

I need to see if anyone has that

But hey, at least I might actually have an excuse to use Rageful Nimbus for once!

[minor cargo]

Yeah, back in 2014, my paladin ran that feat with the sorcerer. Back then, "careful spell" metamagic option only let you automatically succeed, so I needed the shield master feat to take 0 damage.

[small heath]

Let me check my Paladin's feat, gimme a moment

He does not have shield master

[delicate owl]

Not many take Shield Master tbh.

Im so glad they buffed Sorcerer

[small heath]

Bro with me being the new guy, the DM wanted me to play sorcerer with 0 prior experience about the game or the class. It has been a huge learning curve for me.

[rose wedge]

I'm scared to even attempt a caster some day.

[empty thicket]

im considerating in the next ASI get it ngl or +2 in charisma so my 10 go to 12
Idk if there is any feat that give you at least +1 on it

[rose wedge]

I'm probably pivoting my backup plague doctor to just be a way of mercy monk instead of a death cleric.

[crimson gulch]

no class starts very complicated, thats why i love starting all my games at level 1

[umbral girder]

Casters are actually very simple

You only need to remember what spells you have prepared and can look at other spells between sessions.

[rose wedge]

My table started us at 3, I never asked why. Maybe he just wanted us all to have our immediate subclass and identity out the gate.

[small heath]

I love it though. I got a pretty good idea on how sorcerer's work and I think it's amazing.

Well for context, we had another person in the party before me, but they left because he didn't like the DM (for a reason that I'm not going to ask because it's not my issue), so I had to hop in directly at lvl 7 @crimson gulch

[empty thicket]

some casters have weak early, not access to armor and low hp make them get 1 hit and be in deaths door almost

i would recommend lvl 3, so people can be more open with their backstory and, most get access to their subclass too

[small heath]

I am not sure if this was a good play, but my brother (who has been playing D&D for over 5 years at this point) actually helped me with my kobold draconic sorcerer. I now have the highest HP out of my whole party.

Tanky small fire lizard

[empty thicket]

nice, the small lizard that think its a dragon

[small heath]

Basically. Although my AC is 16, but I know I can bring that up later.

[crimson gulch]

some die yes, i killed a sorcerer twice last night, he was level 4 though

[small heath]

Also I realized I don't have Mage Armor -_-

[crimson gulch]

i dont feel bad at all though because an evil cultist of orcus asked him to climb onto the sacrifical alter and he did and SUPRISE that got him killed

[small heath]

💀 . Where's the warlock telling him "don't do it!"

[crimson gulch]

the fighter rogue druid wizard all were like BAYTON NO, and the warlock was like, let him cook

[small heath]

LMAOOOOO

[empty thicket]

Bruh... "Yeah, climb the omnious and dripping blood altar that we just saw someone get his heart taken out in it, its totally safe trust, no balls"

[small heath]

My Kobold Sorcerer and our Minotaur Paladin had a full on back and forth "discussion" over their affiliations with gods that are basically opposites that they each worship.

So... it was a fun conversation getting to this ship place because it was basically watching 2 religious people arguing.

The whole time we were walking.

[empty thicket]

"Yeah, my god is cooler because it can throw fire from his jaws and fly and he made the sun"
Welp, mine is more cooler because he with his tears made the rivers and oceans in the world and and with his dandruff in the hair the plants grew up

The warlock in a corner without being able to tell what his entity did:

[small heath]

A homebrew concept I am currently working on will be a warlock but his powers exist solely because he didn't have a choice in the matter.

[crimson gulch]

that actually happens a lot with the existing warlock stuff

[small heath]

A ritual in order to force a "prophecy" backfired when he was meant to be used as a sacrifice when he was a kid, that led to a demon litearlly being bounded to his soul and can't escape.

Because well do you know! You force a prophecy on a ritual that hasn't been performed in hundred of years prior, and you expect it to work?

10/10 decision by his mentor.

[crimson gulch]

ahh, thats not homebrew really thats just backstory

[small heath]

More so backstory for a homebrew I'm working on, yeah. Regardless, there's a giant rabbit hole and lore that I'm slowly working on.

[empty thicket]

"Yeah, i was cleaning the dungeon when for accident i stepped on a sigil from an elder god and he did a long monologue of how i was chosen by him and its going to give me powers for my devotion to him and yara yara yara, i just told him im just a cleaner and then he asked me if i would like neat powers and a cool sword. I said yes"

[small heath]

My DM did say that if my homebrew concept & character looks good, he might include it as part of a new quest for our party in a later session once we finish our current story.

[small heath]

That's crazy 💀

[empty thicket]

its funny lets be honest.

[small heath]

On a side note, my DM and our BG3 sessions are going interesting. I died for the first time last night.

We're at the goblin village place and we got to the part where we are saving the dwarf from the windmill. He was like "hey, that Farraz guy, he has an explosive" right as we initiated combat (note: he moved completely opposite of me and our NPC party).

I was like "wait what" and literally all 3 of us were downed in a single turn 💀

[small heath]

Well I mentioned my homebrew idea in #homebrew and I have no idea if something like what I posted there already exists that I can use as a reference.

Since the species is tied to that practice of magic casting.

[empty thicket]

i didnt checked homebrew yet, someday i will for see some stuf i might use

[karmic bobcat]

guys is it worth multiclassing as wizard? my DM suggested i go for sorcerer but i would like to hear if there are other good options for this

[marble lion]

why would you

[stark arch]

depends on ur spell casting ability

[marble lion]

there must be something you want out of this. otherwise stick with wiz

[rose wedge]

Depends on a few things. I think Wizard is charisma scaling, right? So maybe Bard. But it also depends on the general difficulty of the game you're in. You can do wild combinations if it's just a vibe campaign.

[stark arch]

Int not char

[marble lion]

wizard is intelligence, sorcerer is charisma

[rose wedge]

Ah.

[marble lion]

there is only one reason to multiclass as wiz into sorc

manipulating your spellcasting

i think thats only a good idea if you for some reason need it to express your rp side of the character

power wise and usually funwise, its best to stick to one class to get higher spell slots from wizard and faster access to level features

[lavish flame]

There's that Feat that can simulate a Sorcerer multiclass, I'd heavily advise it over actually multiclassing

[stark arch]

wats the feat called

[valid geyser]

metamagic adept is okay i guess. you do just get the equivalent of two sorcerer levels minus innate sorcery (in 2024, it's so dumb that sorcerers in 2014 have to wait until level 3 to get their main class feature)

[stark arch]

how does Metamagic Adept actualy work?

[valid geyser]

you get two sorcery points and two metamagics

[stark arch]

You've learned how to exert your will on your spells to alter how they function: alter how? wat way?

[valid geyser]

by doing metamagic\

[stark arch]

give me an example

[valid geyser]

as in a metamagic like quickened spell, that costs 2 points to let you use an action spell as a BA

[still plover]

Or subtle spell, that lets you cast a spell without the verbal or somatic components.

[stark arch]

so if a spell has 10 min casting time i can instant cast it ?

[still plover]

Not quite: "Quickened Spell. When you cast a spell that has a casting time of 1 action..."

[valid geyser]

there are only like 10 metamagic options, i'd say read them yourself and see for yourself if you feel metamagic adept is worth the feat

[stark arch]

i just did. dont find any thing usefull for my wizardto be honest

[karmic bobcat]

yeah i probably should stick with just being wiz then. This convo also started because my character has prof in medicine because of her past and i kinda wanted to work on that somehow and connect it with multiclassing to cleric but my dm said that would be bad idea xD

[valid geyser]

yeah my thoughts too. For me, sorcery points matter the most when you get a lot of them

things like a subtle spell can come in handy but id rather just boost my int

[fickle vortex]

Guys, I just got to the end of a dungeon and there is a sealed elder god with a pondering orb which has green hue and seems to have a storm brewing inside, next to this is a chest that is not a mimic and that I cannot look through with any kind of magic
Do I open it ooor?

[marble lion]

well being good at medicine doesnt mean you need to use healing spells. in fact it means the opposite. it means you can heal apart from healing spells

you could do some surgery with mage hand assistant, use light to inspect things in the dark, utilise anatomy for necromantic inspections and controlling people etc

[worn lagoon]

Sorc/wiz multiclass might be tempting on a thematic level but how well it plays out really depends on the level range of the campaign

Sorcerer with ritual caster and wizard with metamagic adept are options

[karmic bobcat]

oh that's actually good idea!

[minor cargo]

The most value I get out of it is content sharing.

That said, online searching has saved my butt a lot of times.

[worn lagoon]

2 sp with no way to get more is depressing

[stark arch]

having paladin oathbreaker and diping 1 lvl in to sorcery to increase amount of lvl1 spells i get would be great idea

some prety good deffensive spells with already high AC 😄

[empty thicket]

int scaller
Artificer is int scaler too if you dont want to spend too much stats on that

and i find fitting ngl, a wizard that understand magic and even use it in items

[still plover]

Inspect it first, just in case it has some ancient runes that say "dead dove inside do not open," but otherwise, yeah. Be bold!

You can always make another character.

[severe rampart]

Kind of a stupid question but can artificers make guns?

[valid geyser]

not inherently

[buoyant oar]

And it is dependant on the setting.

[timid anvil]

2024 Yes
2014 only with DM allowance

[empty thicket]

artillerist artificer get an eldritch cannon, you can maybe flavor it if you want and get a Gatling

[still plover]

Anyone can with tools, supplies and proficiency: https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/dnd/br-2024/equipment#CraftingEquipment

[timid anvil]

(or via flavoring some of their spells as all kinds of weapons)

[stark arch]

sorcerer known spell is bothering me vs wizard capability to learn all spells

[still plover]

But yes, your DM will likely have an opinion already as to whether firearms exist in your world as a thing to be made.

[valid geyser]

also artificers arent really "the gun class"

[severe rampart]

If firearms aren't allowed what do rangers use in late-game (that aren't magical weapons)

[empty thicket]

Oh yeah, fast thing that i have curiosity, prepared spells, what are they?
Like, im a wizard, i have like idk, Comprehend languages, ice knife and false life prepared.
That mean i can cast it fast whenever i want or what?

[valid geyser]

and also on my previous message rangers aren't the "ranged weapon user" class

[buoyant oar]

And Bow and Crossbows are very effective. Most firearms in DnD don't really outpace them too much.

[severe rampart]

Yeah but I do not want to be close or near my enemy

[valid geyser]

prepared spells are the spells you can use in a day.

[stark arch]

you dont need to have Comprehend languages prepared since its a rituel spell. . prepraed are are the max spells you can have ready at the moment

[empty thicket]

ranger is more around using weapons and magic, most ranger spells are buffs to himself or just lil utility things, few offensive options.
Most being conc make me think that you must be at range so you dont risk

[valid geyser]

well then you can just use any ranged weapon

[empty thicket]

okey, so its like bullets already in the gun?
I have my idk, 4 prepared spells, that mean i can use those 4 whenever i want

[severe rampart]

Yeah 3 of my spells are concentration, one is healing and one is to defend myself

[valid geyser]

I just said the ranger thing because fighters, rogues, etc can also use bows and stuff

[stark arch]

yea aslong you have spell slots avaible. rituel spells dont consume spell slots unles you want to cast them faster

[empty thicket]

Yep and most conc of ranger are on yourself or apply a debuff//mark on an enemy that let you do more damage

[severe rampart]

also horde breakeris insane and helped me take out a lot of enemies early on

[stark arch]

more like having 4 guns with 1 bullet each. instead of 1 rifle with 4 bullets

[severe rampart]

Spell Slots are the bullets, Spells are the gun, I think

[empty thicket]

from hunter? yeah, i have giant slayer and feel nice to add 1d8 to any damage roll

[empty thicket]

im the gun
spell slots are the bullets
spell lvl are the calibers

[empty thicket]

okey okey, so its one time use prepared spell

[stark arch]

no. use aslong you have spell slots avaible

[empty thicket]

okey okey, that kinda help a lot more.

[torpid obsidian]

sup y'all

i'm so happy to be here 😍

[stark arch]

is there a feat that gives acses to 1st-level Abjuration spells ?

[lyric viper]

Language is funny.
Playing with my mostly American English group, and described an area as a creche and the response later was
'I thought Creches were a githyanki thing'.
'No? They're just nurseries.'
'??? a what?'

so at least my american players had never heard those words before (Reminds me of the time I said someone had a budgie on their shoulder and they asked me to describe it so I was like 'A bright yellow bird with red cheeks?' 'Oh, like a pikachu bird? what can it do?' '??? It's... a budgie? A budgerigar? It does.. budgie things?' )

[severe rampart]

Pikachu Bird

My party members are Euro-Asia and I think one of them is aussie? so I've never really had any cultural things with them yet

[lyric viper]

Also when I found out most americans read 'Frowns in thought' as 😦 and not furrowing of brows😠 /🤔

[severe rampart]

weirdly enough my DM did ask me for tongue twisters in my language for the campaign

[severe rampart]

yeah for me 😦 is called "pouting" and frowns are the eyebrow furrows

[crimson gulch]

canadian with alot of american players, they got touqes from a goblin and were like WHAT IS THAT

[glad arch]

As a dutch guy i got no clue what that is

[severe rampart]

the first thing that comes to mind are either clothing or food

[lyric viper]

I was very distressed to find out my party had been imagining my fairly stoic PC as being ':(' when in thought when 'frown' is very much an eyebrow thing, so more T _ T

[crimson gulch]

a warm knit hat

[daring pecan]

Can someone review my custom dm screens when I'm done with it?

[severe rampart]

That is unfortunate, they gave a much different energy than what you were trying to convey 😭

[lyric viper]

Torque for me are bracelets/necklaces you can bend around on an off.

[stark arch]

qeustion when multi classing. does the spell slots from another class add up to the orginale one?? or you just get the highest number based on both classes?

[lyric viper]

I would have assumed you meant those >.>

[valid geyser]

sometimes people just assume creatures theyre not aware of in d&d as fantasy creatures

[potent prawn]

Y'all favorite background?

[hollow stone]

you get two different sets of spell slots for either class

[stark arch]

paladin lvl 3 3 lvl 1 spell slots wizard lvl 1 2 spell slots

that make 5 ? or just 3 and 2 ?

[valid geyser]

and i think in america budgies are more well known as just parakeets

[timid anvil]

Check the multi classing chart in the basic rules/Players Handbook https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/dnd/br-2024/creating-a-character#Spellcasting

[hollow stone]

here's a puzzle of a question: if i learn a spell that Sorcerers and Wizards can use, but take it as part of my Wizard spells, and i use a Sorcerer Spell Slot to cast it, is the stat used CHA or INT?

[crimson gulch]

the list its from determines the stat you use

[wintry spindle]

Inteligence since it's a wizard spell

[timid anvil]

The only exception to this is the Warlock as Pact Magic Slots are seperate from regular ones

[lyric viper]

Just got to make a magical budgie now and commit.

[stark arch]

another qeustion lets say i have lvl 2 paladin spell slots avaible. can i also use lvl 2 wizard spells with lvl1 wizard lvl ?

[hollow stone]

oo

[timid anvil]

The Spell Slot has nothing to do with what spell casting ability is used as all Spell Slots are shared. It matters from what class you have prepared it.

[thorny thicket]

Wha the birds?

[timid anvil]

No as you are only a lvl 1 wizard and only a lvl 3 wizard has lvl 2 spells. You can upcast your 1st level wizard spells with those spell slots though

The Multiclassing Chapter in the basic rules/Players Handbook all explains this as I have linked before

Spells Prepared. You determine what spells you can prepare for each class individually, as if you were a single-classed member of that class. If you are a level 4 Ranger / level 3 Sorcerer, for example, you can prepare five level 1 Ranger spells, and you can prepare six Sorcerer spells of level 1 or 2 (as well as four Sorcerer cantrips).

Each spell you prepare is associated with one of your classes, and you use the spellcasting ability of that class when you cast the spell.

[stark arch]

ok thx

[grim tide]

I'm going to be having a campaign based on an island with 3 major cities that are being attacked by a group of rebellious people fighting against the government of the island but I don't know what the rebellious group should be called and what species they should be, they are aggressive but sneaky and they work in the shadows of the night

[minor cargo]

Sounds fun! What sorts of things do you think the rebels have in common? Do they have like a symbol or prophecy or something? That might help come up with a name.

Who leads them? That can help, too!

[severe rampart]

just from this description I'm thinking like a sly animal like foxes, snakes, wolves

[grim tide]

Yeah but for the story they need to be able to talk and have proper thoughts on governentsl control

[severe rampart]

Why would they fight against the government? are they being oppressed? are there unfair laws?

[woven flint]

You could just have the groups be mixes of species instead of a singular one for each

[grim tide]

Because they have different opinions, I can't say too much though as I don't want my players to know

[grim tide]

That's a good idea but I think I would need them to be one species for what I'm going for

[worn lagoon]

Look forward to it. <3

[minor cargo]

If you have a reason why they might rebel, we can maybe map that on to a group of people who all belong to one species? Like for example, if they feel the government hates, I dunno, red skin - we can suggest Tieflings? That kinda stuff.

[woven flint]

Well, it's kinda hard when you're not giving any clear answers
"Having different opinions" isn't enough information for why something is rebelling.

[severe rampart]

Well I'm not the one who has to say those things so I am

[worn lagoon]

yup

[severe rampart]

Most of the group are Europeans so I'd like them try to pronounce asian phonetics

[grim tide]

Let's say that the way the government is being run is saving fights and wars but removing free will sort of like a north Korea thing

[worn lagoon]

we actually only have 1 european, gan's greek

[woven flint]

Are the people rebelling Good Guys?

[woven flint]

I could see Elvish people rebelling against such a concept pretty quickly

[severe rampart]

Elves then

[grim tide]

Ok thanks

[severe rampart]

Guess we just Echo'ed each others words, eh?

[severe rampart]

oh? the others are american?

[woven flint]

Elves in D&D are all about expression and freedom
They don't even differentiate eachother by gender because they live in a society that treats all as equals

[worn lagoon]

2 americans, i'm asian and so is karagon

[severe rampart]

What do other elves feel about Drows

[woven flint]

I don't know, I suppose it depends who you ask?
Some might feel pity, some might be afraid

[minor cargo]

But what if some elves treated other elves as more equal than others?

🐷

(This is a reference to the book "Animal Farm".)

[worn lagoon]

i always had this impression of the drow/elf dynamic as "you took everything from me/i don't know you at all"

[severe rampart]

Animal Farm reference, love it

[woven flint]

Lmao

[grim tide]

Thanks that is actually really nice for what I was going for

[woven flint]

Glad to see Elves finally being used in a protagonistic stance in a D&D homebrew setting because other forms of media seem to make people think elves are cruel and heartless or whatever in all media 😭

[worn lagoon]

in a lot of media elves are portrayed as ultra-racist pointy humans yeah

[woven flint]

Elves in D&D are very far from that
They even get along with dwarves

They're not the type of people to make problems with other species of people

[severe rampart]

could Elves and Dwarves be together? or are they too anatomically different

[woven flint]

They might take a while to understand eachother, but their mutual love for art and creation would probably help

[uncut zenith]

Yeah more modern interpretations of D&D elves makes them out to be people who often keep to themselves due to the fact that they’re much more long-lived than other species, but aren’t really xenophobes

[severe rampart]

anatomically

[woven flint]

Oh, no? Lol

[minor cargo]

That's up to you and your group. ✌️

[woven flint]

I don't think Elves care about the anatomy of their friends

[severe rampart]

thought so

[hushed mason]

They still gatekeep knowledge.

[radiant trench]

Hello, how i change my name to have icon

[severe rampart]

Interesting actually, what would Elves and Dwarves make together? given, not all dwarves are blacksmiths or anything

[severe rampart]

in the roles list

[radiant trench]

ty

[woven flint]

That depends on the situation
As with anyone

[uncut zenith]

I think the Wildemount campaign setting actually gives examples of things that elves and dwarves craft together

[woven flint]

The Elf could be the Dwarves 'old' drinking buddy

Perhaps the Dwarf was an Elves muse for a painting,ect rct
Friendships can be made in any way

[severe rampart]

The Dwarf and The Elf get drunk together and get matching tattoos lmao

[worn lagoon]

I don't think you understood the question 💀

[severe rampart]

no, he did

[worn lagoon]

Oh?

I didn't see the previous message where they did answer to it, my bad

[woven flint]

Me either, but that's okay, if we're talking RELATIONSHIPS, I don't think Elves would care because they as a society don't care about gender as it doesn't hold an important stance as a social construct to them

[minor cargo]

Paint me like one of your elf girls.

🧊 ⛴️

[woven flint]

Random Tidbit some people seem to have been surprised by

Did you know Female Dwarves also grow full-on beards?

[severe rampart]

Already knew that because of some media interpretation

[woven flint]

It's, honestly, Badass

Everyone should have a sick ass beard /silly

Imagine Dwarf babies been born with beards...

[minor cargo]

In Rat Queens, one of the main characters is a female dwarf - and she struggles with whether to keep her beard or continue to shave it. There's cultural pressures from her family (her fratneral twin, her parents, etc.), her ancestry, her community(s), and of course the pressure she puts on herself. I thought that was a really cool way to approach it.

[woven flint]

That's completely valid

[lavish flame]

Fistandantulus

oh nvm

[minor cargo]

Kraig.

[severe rampart]

Kevin

[hushed mason]

I have a chicken named Kevin.

Well, a rooster.

Evil warlock names? Gargamel

omg. We have to name one of our pigs "Kevin". So that we can call the bacon "Kevin Bacon".

[daring pecan]

can someone review my first time dm sheet i made for my diy dm screen?

[hushed mason]

Maybe ask in #dm-discussion ?

[daring pecan]

oh thank you didnt know that existed lol

[hushed mason]

No problem! I'm afraid I wouldn't be very helpful at reviewing it for you, as I play an old version.

[daring pecan]

ah okay

[severe rampart]

But if you're using DnD beyond you might get access to it if someone shares it to you through a campaign

The content, not the actual book unfortunately

[onyx ginkgo]

Hi, I'm new here. Could someone please help me understand the game? I'm finding it very difficult.

[severe rampart]

#learn-to-play and if you have any questions, #dnd-newcomers

[onyx ginkgo]

thanks

[leaden dock]

shadow wizard money gang

[onyx ginkgo]

the free tutorial really shows you how to play or its only a simple story about choosing?

[minor cargo]

It's more of a story rather than learning how to play. It does give you the idea that during the game, you'll face challenges and dice can be used to resolve it.

[onyx ginkgo]

Do you recommend I do it this way, or is there a more practical way to understand it?

[severe rampart]

You learn as you go

[onyx ginkgo]

where?

[severe rampart]

You could get into a campaign or a oneshot

[fiery nimbus]

casting from the can of spray is pretty badass

[minor cargo]

IMO learning is a pretty personal thing. So if you think having a "primer" to build a foundation, the story can be helpful! It's also not very long.

For me personally, I'm a "doer". I do things and I kind of learn as I go. So although the story/tutorial could help, it has maybe a little less value to me than it would for others.

[onyx ginkgo]

The problem is that my friends don't know how to play either, and I have no one to learn with; I only have the basic rulebook.

[severe rampart]

You can find campaigns right here

#looking-for-players is where DMs or "hosts" advertise or post campaigns where they need players to join

There are some specifics or things they would like in a player but there are also a lot of campaigns that are beginner friendly

[leaden dock]

“i cast pepper spray!”

[finite gull]

I'm hosting my first DND (in a Discord) and as the DM Im finding a little trouble with how to go about writing the plot. I'm writing channels as ingame locations but does anyone have any idea as not to allow the players to slip through every location too swiftly? If any of that makes sense lol

[fiery nimbus]

now you are just thinking too small
there is no reason why fireball shouldn't come in a can

[naive cedar]

or eldritch blast

[leaden dock]

“I CAST MAGIC MISSILE!!”

he says, holding a french fry

[worn lagoon]

I cast setting spray.

💅 🐉

[leaden dock]

bro 😭

[hushed mason]

What do you have so far?

[fiery nimbus]

So, as far as im aware, the only real rule of casting a spell is holding your spell component in your hand, and using your fingers to cast somatic components, there is no rule where the spell should come from

so... I slash my sword and my sword sends out a glowing slash across, since its technically legal

[worn lagoon]

I don't remember anything saying the fireball has to erupt from the tip of your staff

[finite gull]

Basically it's a layered dungeon and each layer has a multitude of channels, except each dungeon layer is meant to take days to get through. I have no idea how to make that possible without spreading everything thin lol

[hushed mason]

Well, the way you slow down creatures in a dungeon is you put obstacles in their way. These can be other creatures, natural terrain issues (cliffs, chasms, rivers), and then built-in features like doors, traps, and puzzles.

[finite gull]

So try to fill it with encounters and traps is the way?

[fiery nimbus]

well, fill it with ambush type encounters

[hushed mason]

Yes, but encounters don't have to be combat.

[fiery nimbus]

A large chasm is an encounter
A Flash Flooding is an encounter
A party rogue accidentally falling into said chasm and having to be rescued is an encounter

On the other hand Rogue can stay dead, its better this way

[hushed mason]

Coming across neutral parties that may or may not be combative is an encounter.

[severe rampart]

Well my party members tried barging into an old lady's house, then when I stopped them, the old lady came out and they casted spells on her.

[finite gull]

Alright that gave me a couple of ideas I can run with. Thanks everyone lol

[hushed mason]

Happy to help!

[severe rampart]

The old lady then I think counterspelled most of them because the spells bounced back and dealt double damage to the ones that casted it

[hushed mason]

Why were they picking on an old lady?

[fiery nimbus]

it's a hag

its always a hag, no human lives to the old age

[hushed mason]

Dang. Harsh world. Like Logan's Run?

[fiery nimbus]

Counterspell doesn't make spells bounce

I don't recall such ability existing in the game at least

[woven flint]

They're in a decently homebrewed campaign last they've told me

[crimson gulch]

the tarrasque can reflect spells

its not the only thing but i cant recall the others

[keen kestrel]

I’m in a CoS playthrough, and my pc is very suspicious of the three old ladies we met

[fiery nimbus]

oh yea its definitelly a hag, there are no old people that are good in CoS

[fiery nimbus]

"Reflective Carapace. Any time the tarrasque is targeted by a magic missile spell, a line spell, or a spell that requires a ranged attack roll, roll a d6. On a 1 to 5, the tarrasque is unaffected. On a 6, the tarrasque is unaffected, and the effect is reflected back at the caster as though it originated from the tarrasque, turning the caster into the target."

Huh the more you know

Cone and AoE spells still work i guess

but who in their right mind uses AoE spells against single target

[umbral girder]

“A coven or ‘Roomemates’”? Moment

[olive wasp]

And they were roommates

[olive wasp]

Not mutually exclusive either

[severe rampart]

I don't know what this old lady did, apparently they're the goblin queen

[hushed mason]

Is she wearing shoes?

[fiery nimbus]

its a goblin queen, ofc not

[keen kestrel]

Oh, my pc decided to steal from them, and succeeded

[severe rampart]

I don't think so?

[hushed mason]

(It's a reference to the story The Princess and the Goblin)

[severe rampart]

She was an old lady living in the woods, or at least disguised as one

[hushed mason]

Terribly suspiciois, females living alone in the woods like that.

[severe rampart]

Turned out she was cooking the hearts of goblins into pies

[woven flint]

What? A woman can't live in the woods by herself is she pleases?!
/teasing

New character idea:
Old lady that lives in the woods but has no connection to nature or fey or witchcraft, she's just an old retired paladin who seeked a more peaceful life after service

[scenic zinc]

-# *sought

[woven flint]

She just so happens to be pretty good at potion crafting but the party is completely 180'd when she's just a retired veteran Pally

[woven flint]

Silence. /playful

[serene jolt]

No wonder my cone magic worked... I didn't even know that.

Thank goodness I didn't use the line magic 🤣

[fiery nimbus]

Tarrasque is vulnerable to conal magic

[woven flint]

They don't like cones

Cones are a Tarrasques natural enemy

[serene jolt]

Cones and circles are scary. I don't blame them.

[fiery nimbus]

They can also take damage from magical stunk of the wizard
oh sorry i think they called those "Emission" or something

i recommend Dispeller Soap for those

[next pine]

Since I have gotten hold of a magic weapon, my DM suggest changing Improved pact weapon as it doesn't stack. I run a full hexblade. What would be a good thing to change it to? I don't know much about warlocks. I currently have Devil's Sight, Improved pact weapon, Thirsting blade and Feral Transformation (This one is more for fluff)

[woven flint]

I'll have you know, My Bladesinger wizard bathes regularly and is a very sociable person!!!!

[fiery nimbus]

Why did your DM give you a magic weapon if it doesn't work with your intended build?

[inner silo]

In dnd can a beings soul be attached to anothers?

[next pine]

No idea

[woven flint]

Depends on the being, I suppose

[stark tundra]

I mean kinda but it's not gonna have any stat implications

[fiery nimbus]

Yes, sounds like Kalashtar lore

[woven flint]

A Lich can make a person their Phylactery

[robust dragon]

Trade/Gift the weapon.

[inner silo]

Could a lich attach a part of his soul to someone elses to later "overthrow" it and take control of them in case their main felactory gets destroyed

[woven flint]

I don't think so

[stark tundra]

Ah Harry Potter

[robust dragon]

Like All for One in My Hero?

[next pine]

He havent given me a magical weapon. He have just made my pact weapon a +2

[stark tundra]

No that wouldn't work

[hot reef]

Magic items don’t always mesh with builds perfectly. There’s also the spell that makes a weapon +1 iirc

[inner silo]

Idk what he does

[inner silo]

I see. Thanks for saying!

[fiery nimbus]

why would they bother, just set up a clone spell

or if you want to control someone, dominate person them

[inner silo]

There's a spell that can just make two of you?

[fiery nimbus]

Simulacrum? yes

[woven flint]

Simulacrum and Clone exist, The clone doesn't function until you die, however

[hot reef]

If it’s your game, phylacteries can work however you want
Typically liches only have one phylactery at a time and don’t have a replacement that’ll activate if the first is destroyed

[inner silo]

Can the clone keep existing after you?

[fiery nimbus]

Clone is an insurance policy
makes you effectively immortal until someone captures your soul

[woven flint]

Yes, your soul is supposed to go into that clone body when you die

[fiery nimbus]

but only works with your soul inside

[woven flint]

But the clone is just inanimate until you die

[inner silo]

I see. Aren't liches souls in their phylacteries though?

[golden birch]

is making my character a magic chicken a terrible idea

[woven flint]

Yes
Which is why they don't need clone

[fiery nimbus]

can warlock change their Mystic Arcanum spells?

[hot reef]

Probably, for 5e
Especially if you’re a new player

[woven flint]

Flavor an Aarakocra as a Chicken person

[inner silo]

I see

[fiery nimbus]

I cast "animate object" on my clone

[woven flint]

Yes, when they level up

[fiery nimbus]

good, i want to keep upgrading my summon greater demon

in fact I want to cast it at 9th level

[woven flint]

I don't believe it'd work

[fiery nimbus]

in fact i want to cast it at 9th level and lose control of it

[fiery nimbus]

corpse is an object

[woven flint]

Alas, Mystic Arcanums can only be cast at their Spell level and you can't learn lower level spells as a higher one with it

[inner silo]

What happens with a lich if they're killed but their phylacterie is still alive?

[woven flint]

A Clone body isn't a corpse.

[graceful pier]

is there a spell besides cloud of daggers that works similar to sukunas slashes from jjk, if so would anyone know what book it’s from

[woven flint]

It's a vessel.

[fiery nimbus]

well aware, hence why i want to put the summon greater demon at the 9th level pedestal and make it everyone elses problem

[woven flint]

Steel Wind Strike, I suppose

[fiery nimbus]

also this spell lets you summon weaker demons, so even if you upcast it at 9th level, you can still summon a weaker version

[woven flint]

Summon Greater Demon isn't a 9th level spell and can't be learned as your 9th level mystic Arcanum is what I mean.

[hot reef]

They respawn in x amount of time near their phylactery

[woven flint]

Mystic Arcanum spells are spells of THAT specific level

[hot reef]

It should be in its stat block

[inner silo]

I see. Alrighty, thanks!

[fiery nimbus]

ah, so the feature is entirely useless to me then

awesome

[woven flint]

Also, here's the rule clarifying for it:
"As shown in the Warlock Features table, you gain another Warlock spell of your choice that can be cast in this way when you reach Warlock levels 13 (level 7 spell), 15 (level 8 spell), and 17 (level 9 spell). You regain all uses of your Mystic Arcanum when you finish a Long Rest."

[fiery nimbus]

I guess i can just open a gate to nine hells

how is that for a conjuration spell

[woven flint]

Sure, you can do that, I guess lol

[fiery nimbus]

I just want to summon a demon and die by its blade in the most important moment of the campaign

[graceful pier]

thank you

[fiery nimbus]

in a twist of cruel irony, you know, goals in life

[woven flint]

Sounds like a skill issue, my Warlock would never associate with Demons

He's fine with any Fiend and Being BESIDES Demons

[fiery nimbus]

my Warlock is a Dhmpir with a taste in fiendish blood

[woven flint]

Mines a Drow Celestial Warlock who's sister was murdered by a demon

[keen kestrel]

I have two warlocks, neither would associate with demons for entirely different reasons

[hot marlin]

This sort of anti-demon prejudice is repugnant. Shame on you sir.

[fiery nimbus]

What about devils?

[woven flint]

Brother is not beating the Fiend allegations

[keen kestrel]

That’s even worse

[woven flint]

I had one Fiend Warlock, but he was forced to carry on his father's deal against his will

[keen kestrel]

One of my warlocks would genuinely hate devils

The other just wouldn’t talk to one

[woven flint]

Let's see..
I've played..
4 Warlocks!
Fiend, Parasite (Third Party), Sorcerer-King (Unearthed Arcana that'll hopefully be released soon) and Celestial

[keen kestrel]

Hexblade, great old one, celestial so far for me, I wanna play an archfey and a genie warlock next

[sleek cloud]

Petition to rename tokii to Tokii, Eldritch horror

[woven flint]

Don't tempt me.

[fiery nimbus]

Each time I play a warlock campaign falls apart

[scenic zinc]

Also because you aren't casting them with a spell slot.

[woven flint]

Indeed ^

[woven flint]

Awe man 😔

[keen kestrel]

Tokii likes warlocks more than me? I gotta remedy this real quick

[fiery nimbus]

I haven given up yet

Though I gonna have to bring it up with my dm

[woven flint]

Oooh, my Parasite Warlock was a Nothic/Cyclopian fellow who's Patron lived in his brain, he was a merchant and wanted power to be able to go adventuring for Treasure, he didn't Trust Fey, Fiends or anything else, so he made a deal with a parasitic being lol

[severe rampart]

I've never extensively looked at a class, except for Bards (and a little Ranger)

[scenic zinc]

Grimhollow is very cool

[keen kestrel]

A psionic warlock?! I think I found my calling

[woven flint]

Eh, I like almost every class pretty equally
Except Bards, Rangers and Fighters
And I have preferences, but I've never really NOT enjoyed playing a class

[scenic zinc]

Wizards are my least favorite, mechanically.

[stark tundra]

We talking warlocks I got a drow warlock who turned the person he was being sacrificed to into his patron

[keen kestrel]

Oh, I dislike bards, Druids and wizards most

And I won’t go out of my way to play a barbarian, but I’ll happily play the rest

[woven flint]

I love Druids, but I accept their slander because their abilities are very neat, but kinda limiting, especially their Spellcasting

[stark tundra]

Barbarians are fun if you don't wanna do much outside of combat

[keen kestrel]

I do like rp, which is why I usually wouldn’t play a barb

[scenic zinc]

No class has impacted whether I have fun outside of combat

[stark tundra]

Fair enough

[woven flint]

Barbarians can still do things outside of combat lol

[limber trail]

Fighters to me have been a class that invites a lot of really cool mechanical opportunities, that’s one where I really enjoy finding combos/builds to shine.

I like em

[night basin]

Would it be a fair trade to sacrifice the 2nd cantrip and my level 1 level in exchange for an eldritch invocation if I take magic initiate warlock?

[inner silo]

Are there any good or not bad at least undead patrons?

[noble basin]

probablynot

[night basin]

Vecna, probably.

[noble basin]

but you can always ask your dm

[inner silo]

Alrighty, will look him up, thanks!

[night basin]

Just don't try and become more powerful than him.

Otherwise he's chill.

[woven flint]

Amy undead can be an undead patron

[keen kestrel]

Acererak could be fine

[night basin]

What if I also permanently sacrifice 5 of my lay on hands points?

[woven flint]

My Undead Warlocks Patron is probably gonna be some vengeful revenant, your Patron doesn't have to be a big name

[keen kestrel]

The only truly good undead I know of are like the Baelnorn

[night basin]

Talion is a pretty cool undead.

[limber trail]

If you want a chill patron and don’t want a super involved patron storyline you can always talk to the DM about it. I love a good patron storyline but sometimes it’s just a deal that happened.

[stark tundra]

That's up to the dm enterally I had one who let me have a up cast of Eldritch blast for one of my PCs arms

[inner silo]

I want an involved patron but one that wouldn't want their warlock to kill every villager they come across to sacrifice to their undead army

[woven flint]

Not to be biased but trying to look from a factual standpoint, no undead is truly good because becoming undead takes what made a person a person outta them and replaces it with dark vile energies

An undead can be peaceful, but I'd never assume they're completely good lol

[empty thicket]

"yeah, my patron just saw me, said im someone chill and gave me some powers, sometimes he visit me with some brownies and we saw the stars while being high"

[inner silo]

Alrighty

Do liches compete between eich other?

[vast pelican]

Really it all depends on the particular way that undeath works in a world.

[night basin]

Celebrimbor is a pretty good undead. He's just a bit of a jerk If you try and ruin his plans.

[woven flint]

If they have reason to

[stark tundra]

Kinda because each litch wants to be the last one standing

[night basin]

Idk bro talion is a good undead.

[inner silo]

Could a undead warlocks job then be to help take down these other liches?

[keen kestrel]

Fair, the baelnorn are the closest to me since they willingly become undead to protect their communities

[valid geyser]

I'm not huge on the idea of good undead. I feel it's something that kind of needs the edge of being morally messed up, but it's best handled as being just treated as a subjective but pretty commonly agreed upon evil thing

[keen kestrel]

But they also maintain their intelligence with magic, so it’s probably different

[stark tundra]

Kinda like the ghost rider he cleans sin from others

[woven flint]

Undead are pretty amoral.
Undeath regardless of intentions, is still incredibly vile to the natural orders

[inner silo]

Alrighty

[keen kestrel]

Even the gods who valued the natural cycles did accept the baelnorn, but yeh

[night basin]

The natural order really doesn't mean a lot in dnd since it's always getting messed with.

[woven flint]

Kelemvor, the big God of death himself, famously hates Undead

[fiery nimbus]

Hmm how would one go about making unarmed attack warlock

[inner silo]

Yeah, it's so unnatural ancients paladin loses their oath if they take any part in allowing undeath to happen

[keen kestrel]

Practically the whole elven pantheon hate undead

[valid geyser]

well i think baelnorn are dumb and i ignore them

[keen kestrel]

I think they’re kind of cool, but that’s just me

[woven flint]

There are a few deities accepting of Undead, but majority of those deities are typically evil aligned

Majority of Undead are also...
Evil aligned

[worn lagoon]

isn't being undead like, painful

[woven flint]

Most likely, yes

[buoyant oar]

Yeah Baelnorn is usually specifically granted by the Seldarine.

[worn lagoon]

as opposed to regular resurrection methods that restore the body, and that's part of why some liches turn evil even if they were good in life

[vast pelican]

I've got a magic horn here with the undead spirit of an ancient paladin, and all it wants to do is destroy undead.

[keen kestrel]

Yeh, tbh they’re probably the only exception to the rule currently

[worn lagoon]

Like I'm pretty sure I read something about the pain contributing to an undead's nature

[supple plinth]

Hii uhm I made this sorta dnd thing I play with my friends where they were sent to the island of Jurassic world to collect lost data and locate survivors after a beacon was set off now I don’t know what DMs use to make maps cause today there going to go into a lab and I was going to make like a stealth section where they have to crawl through the vents collecting samples and try and find the key to unlock the basement any dm got a good site I could use since I’m terrible at drawing

[buoyant oar]

And there are multiple types of lichdom like Archliches. Not to be confused with Vecna the Archlich.

[worn lagoon]

If I was in indescribable agony all the time I'd probably get frustrated too

[valid geyser]

its hard for me to explain why i dont love them, i just feel like it's kind of a cop out for there to be good liches, and them being elves too feels a tiny bit strange to me. I also just dont think I'll really use them in a game since it's a good aligned high power enemy

[woven flint]

I'm not gonna sit here and say there's no such thing a Good Undead, but saying "Yeah there are good Undead" kinda feels like..
"Yeah! There are good Undead! It's just this one specific type/guy!"
Which seems disingenuous to the overall lmao

[keen kestrel]

Oh of course, but if I wanted to play an undead warlock, it’d be a neat idea to have made a pact with one of the baelnorn

[worn lagoon]

is "yeah, there can be good undead" better wording for you

[buoyant oar]

And of course there is the new in 5e Coronach. Bard Liches.

[woven flint]

I think it's perfectly valid to be a good person in a pact with an evil creature out of necessity

[inner silo]

You just shouldn't take it as "undead can be good so you should first ask them if they are before smiting them"

[woven flint]

There are few Undead that understand language, I'd totally talk to them just to be certain there's something still there

[keen kestrel]

Eh, I prefer pacts that are a little more connected compass wise

[worn lagoon]

Woah, Coronach are so fascinating

[inner silo]

If it doesn't hinder your chances of beating them, sure

[valid geyser]

i think its also mostly that undead usually just kill people a lot and its hard to talk them out of it, if theyre mindless undead who by default attack on sight or are intelligent but have to eat people to live

[minor cargo]

(For "good" Liches, you can also look to Eberron and their Undying. These are dead folks who are kept in a state of undeath via spirits and energies of the positive plane.)

[woven flint]

Hell. My Celestial Warlock talked to some Wights because they weren't actively attacking us.
They agreed that they'd like to be put to a peaceful rest, so we took them away from the place they were bound to just come back and managed to sever the connection, so I'm not gonna say I haven't encountered undead folk who just want peace entirely

[buoyant oar]

The two best Liches in the realms are 100%, Larloch who could destroy the Sword Coast. But he just wants to vibe.

And Demchungchumrub out of the Many-Windowed Tower and his Spelljammer, the Delras because he has the best name in the multiverse.

[woven flint]

I do think there's an inherent cruelty about undeath because its typically unwilling

[keen kestrel]

That too, and most of the willing participants do so because they’re greedy for more power

[woven flint]

So, I like to put undead out of their misery, but also try to do so as non-violently as possible with most of my characters that DO have strong feelings about undeath

[olive wasp]

Bonk

Equal treatment for all

[minor cargo]

Baelnorns and Undying are definitely creatures who willingly become undead. But to your point, this is generally an exception and not common in D&D.

[keen kestrel]

The only exception is the light cleric I’m playing, but he’s incredibly zealous when it comes to destroying undead (almost to an obsessive degree)

[woven flint]

My Tabaxi Grave Cleric of Kelemvor didn't even hate undead, they just made him feel sorrowful
He even hugged a zombie once as he said prayers to release its soul

The based way 😎

[worn lagoon]

Smh give it a proper resurrection spell

[woven flint]

Most people who die peaceful deaths don't want their rest to be disturbed, though
Even those who met violent ends probably don't either

[worn lagoon]

Corpse with a do-not-resurrect necklace

[inner silo]

Tbh making a necromancer seem good sounds like so much work

[woven flint]

Let's make it official lore to give Corpses these fr

[valid geyser]

i usually feel like most undead have some kind of programming of self preservation as undead, or are just mindless

[worn lagoon]

If I played a good necromancer I'd make it so he's otherwise a nice guy but views lives of all kinds as expendable

And, well, something you can buy back

[woven flint]

That.. doesn't sound like a good person lol

[inner silo]

Could make it like a tattoo that appears on the persons body after their death and that they can get while alive

[severe rampart]

Good necromancer, not a good person

[undone rain]

Heres a funny trait for a necromancer, they can only bring back their ex wife

[worn lagoon]

They're super sweet and heroic in every other way, they just don't mind that you just died while fighting alongside him to save people.

[severe rampart]

but their ex wife keeps on dying

[woven flint]

Yes, but viewing all life as expendable typically ISN'T a good trait

[undone rain]

And they keep arguing while fighting enemies

[potent vector]

Hey, so, asking for Homebrew reasons but I need to know public opinion, what is Paladin's identity? (What features need to stay strong, what flavor can take a hike, etc.)?

[worn lagoon]

Yes, it's not. People have flaws.

[woven flint]

I think a kind person who just views all life as expendable would be more neutrally aligned instead of good.

[inner silo]

I feel like to make a good necromancer possible you have to establish that undead they raise don't involve the persons soul, only it's "shell"

[severe rampart]

an immortal necromancer and their mortal wife

[fiery nimbus]

Life is a resource and if you are necromancer.... Well it's renewable

[keen kestrel]

Paladins protect, follow their oath and smite the undead

[woven flint]

My suggestion for a Good Necromancer was one who treated his undead with kindness and viewed undeath as a chance to redeem oneself before eternal rest

[valid geyser]

even still, you'd have the moral issue of puppetting someone's dead body without their consent.

[inner silo]

A paladin must have an oath (a set of connected rules) they must obey

[severe rampart]

Reviving a dead soldier who failed their mission thinking their last act on the world was being a failure

[valid geyser]

and I'm assuming it'd be hard to find people who'd consent to that

[undone rain]

All this reminds me of a vid where theres a killer on the loose but your a necromancer and you love making that killer go insane

[worn lagoon]

He just says very wrong things at funerals.

[storm cradle]

Basically what medieval propaganda described crusaders as.

[worn lagoon]

"Eh, he was gonna die anyway. We are all going to die."

[fiery nimbus]

I want an artist necromancer who views it's minions as pieces of art, painting and carving Thier bones into perfection while weaving spells into them

[undone rain]

When necromancers bring back someone from the dead they arent concious right? Like their not all there in the head

[valid geyser]

i think for mindless undead, usually there isn't a soul in there

[inner silo]

Yeah, making a necromancer completely lawful good would probably be impossible, or at least wouldn't make sense why they're even a necromancer if they're so restricted compared to all other magic

[woven flint]

Mostly true, it's still disturbance of a corpse, which, is still a crime

[worn lagoon]

It's a school and just a tool to use, like everything else

[fiery nimbus]

Necromancy in 5e doesn't use souls of the dead, just their weak shells devoid of life

[undone rain]

Yeah i figured i was just curious

[woven flint]

Necromancers are definetly still criminals regardless of Alignment tbh

[valid geyser]

yeah also for animate dead, those things go kill mode if you dont cast the spell 24 hours
you oversleep one day and your neighbors are being eaten by zombies

[fiery nimbus]

Technically undead player can make are closer to constructs

[worn lagoon]

That is absolutely hilarious

[undone rain]

Im personally a pyromancer guy myself

[worn lagoon]

They should've planted more in their yards!

[inner silo]

Yeah, a good necromancer should definitely keep a very close eye on their undead

[potent vector]

Counterpoint. Someone who buys corpses while the person is alive

[undone rain]

You couuuld make a sort of anti hero/anti villian necromancer

[woven flint]

The point of being a corpse is that you're dead and buying the person before they die probably makes it worse morally 💀

[valid geyser]

buying someone the right to use their corpse after death seems a little sketchy just by concept. At least with organ donation, it's completely voluntary (as well as your organs not being used to kill goblins)

[woven flint]

Buying people isn't a good thing, afterall

[worn lagoon]

I assumed people would interpret it as like buying a slave. I was right.

[inner silo]

That's a pretty interesting idea. I thought of a similar idea where necromancers would go to poor villages and offer usually expensive wizard services for cheap but also get to use the local cemetery for their studies.

[woven flint]

It's not even just as that
Buying people regardless is just morally icky.

[inner silo]

Killing goblins could arguably save more lives