dnd-discussion

[empty thicket]

but i can see it because teh Relentless Endurance is too good for a lot of classes and situations

but there is the thing now, you are picking a race for mixmax or for role?

[stoic obsidian]

Subclasses are what determine certain features at certain levels, think about it like how your character plays as a barbarian

[woven flint]

Relentless Endurance is difficult to make useful if you're low HP against a foe that attacks multiple times, on the plus side, it can save you from being downed and killed immediately sometimes

[jovial shadow]

You mean orc. There are no half orcs anymore

[empty thicket]

let me guess, in 2024 such thing like half orc dont exist anymore?

[blissful ibex]

they got errataed out recently along with most of the half-species or something iirc

[empty thicket]

Yep, but still is a "maybe" save that is more than you can ask in some situations
And is more than enough to flip everything over in lots of others

[empty thicket]

damn what happened? too op?

[woven flint]

No.. uh.. people didn't like how Half-Species were represented in D&D because of Racial undertones.

[hot reef]

They don’t have their own species features, I believe it was recommended to pick one or the other for half species

[woven flint]

That too

You can still play an Orc and be a half-orc anyway

[empty thicket]

damn, yeah. I think that my Half orc mother that is a gladiator and my half orc dad that is a guard will be just a fantasy...welp, a shame

[buoyant oar]

Yeah half species are in a weird place. In base play, the player specific options have been removed going forward. In the Realms, some of them are being just overwritten to being fully one or the other. i.e. Half-elves are becoming full elves etc.

And then in Eberron a Half-elves species option with a unique name is now available.

[woven flint]

TW: ||Another problem with Half Orcs is that in lore they were typically a product of assault||

[empty thicket]

but even elfs? weird, orcs okey, they tend to be more violent and other many stuff that i cant say and we know why
Elf why?
Like, those arent htat aggressive

[hot reef]

That was much older lore that has been retconned for quite a while to my knowledge

[buoyant oar]

Its like WotC has yet to decide fully what to do with them and so we have their haphazard implementation.

[hot reef]

But some people still think of that ofc

[woven flint]

Oh word? That's good.
Horrible that it was still lore at all to begin with though

[marble lion]

Casters have attack roll spells

[empty thicket]

yep, was told this in his moment, in any way. My mother is the orc and my father the bold strong human that made her mother

[lyric viper]

I mean, it was still in 5e 2014

[empty thicket]

melee attacks, unless using melee attacks spells that idk if it count

[marble lion]

Ah i thought it was all attacks

[hot reef]

Casters rely on attack rolls a lot less than martials

[empty thicket]

na, would be too op with range//spell attacks

[woven flint]

Melee spell attacks exist

[marble lion]

Having evil things is fine, just not palatable to a number of people

[lusty kelp]

I mean, I kinda like species feats, but I also get why its a problem. I do think that 2024's approach of doing origin/general feat but tying them to an organization is nice. RE: dragonborn taking dragon cult feats. I think its a good middle ground to take for this kind of thing. You make the feats and just don't make them tied to species specifically.

[woven flint]

I PUNCH you with magic!!!!

[marble lion]

All depends on audience and expectations

[empty thicket]

but rely in enemy Dc savings, so is kinda the same thing at the end of the day

[crimson gulch]

Sure there are, nothing has been erased from 5e, just new options added

[woven flint]

Yeah, but some things just shouldn't be involved, especially considering the general audience this game is aimed towards is PG - PG-13

[lyric viper]

But there are other issues with trying to mechanise mixed species- And it's been a dilemma since the start.
Give set stats to one particular heritage, but you can't make stats for every single possibility. And even among the statted species, like Human-Elf mixed individuals they're not all going to be the same. Some might take after one parent more than the other.
And then what happens when they have kids? You going to stat for that too, or make weird worldbuilding rules why kid's of mixed heritage invidiuals end up being 'full' Y/X or so on.

[marble lion]

The pg thing is absolutely true, i forget that all the time

[buoyant oar]

Well going forward, half-orcs are not in the PHB. Revision or not. If your table does not allow 2014 rules because you are 2024 and beyond, you have to use flavor to play a half-orc.

[empty thicket]

in my head the cannon is, orcs are aggressive. But if you show you are strong they accept you.

[marble lion]

But adult entertainment can have dark themes. Thats not wrong, just dark

[pulsar fossil]

seeking spell and advantage

[jovial shadow]

Actually it's aimed at 15 and older. It's in the preface of every book

[empty thicket]

What you mean i cant make my half minotaur and half siren that got both human sides of each one and can breath under water and is strong like a bull?

[pulsar fossil]

how does it work

[lyric viper]

Gygax seemed reluctant to even include human/orc and human/elf stats in the game, according to one Dragon article. Went on to say that really, any mix should be possible in fantasy, but sod trying to stat all that- and he also felt players wanting to play such mixed species were just trying to powergame >.>

[empty thicket]

He is from land, she is from the sea but even from being from different places, their love made it possible she could walk and him could swim.

[empty thicket]

how advantage work you mean?

[lyric viper]

(That article and the following ones weren't.. the best.)

[woven flint]

Fun fact,The Original Sirens were from the sky!
(In folklore)

[pulsar fossil]

would i reroll one dice or the attack roll

[burnt valley]

is powergaming really that bad lol

[buoyant oar]

Personally I love all of the decoupling of stats, and species, I do feel there was a better way to do "Half Species" than removing them from then just PHB to allow Mixed people some representation within the rules set. But hey, I am not a designer.

[jovial shadow]

Those are called Harpies

[woven flint]

They're still Sirens!

Have the same functionality of luring someone to their demise.

That's what a siren Is!

[empty thicket]

in theory, you roll 2 dices and use the highest, you can roll 1 dice and then roll the next and will have to use the highest.
lets say i roll with advantage, i get a 20 and a 10
I have to use the 20 for the attack
But but but
If you were in disadvantage you are using the lowest number, in this scenario, the 10

[lyric viper]

I liked the UA approach. It was flawed in parts, but I still felt it did better acknowledging the possibility and then giving over how to handle it to players. Want to play a dwarf/elf invidiual? Cool. Pick dwarf or elf as your species, flavour how you like, have your PC identify as they wish.

Custom origin in late '14 worked similarily.

[empty thicket]

so my father was dating a bird instead of a fish?

Damn....

[woven flint]

Up to you, both are still completely valid for Sirens lol

[buoyant oar]

Yea just the blanket removal feels like an over correction that can cut the wrong way. Like I had a player who is a mixed person feel really salty with some half elves just being full elves now in the new FR Book.

I feel like there was a way to handle it other than, they don't exist anymore.

I too like the UA approach.

[woven flint]

I think we should take the Simic Hybrid approach, have a few traits to choose from during level up (maybe at each feat level)

[empty thicket]

i like the fishy idea mostly, make it more poetic and epic.

[burnt valley]

i wish most flavor text were 1-to-1 with mechanics, it doesn't feel as satisfying

[vestal crow]

can i use rapier and dagger as a dual wield without the dual wielder feat ? because if i get it using 2 rapiers seems better

[empty thicket]

"now suddenly, all of them dissipated, thanos style"

[empty thicket]

what are you of class?

[vestal crow]

rogue

[buoyant oar]

Reminded me of a social blunder during the 4e days. The dark skinned Mulhorandi people who practice slavery, because they were enslaved for thousands of years get reconquered by the people who enslaved them the last time.

But this time those conquerors are very pale skinned and they outlaw slavery. Because its barbaric.

[woven flint]

I think a lover from the sky could be equally as poetic
"I can fly freely as I please,but choose to stay grounded for you, my dear"
...
Could also be viewed as a toxic relationship 😭

[hot reef]

They also cited not having a culture as being part of the reason of removal. Which is strange, even in settings outside of Eberron they still have themes of being stuck between worlds to my knowledge.

[empty thicket]

Yes, you can and can use your bonus action for an extra attack but wont have any bonus, will be only weapon damage.
At that point i would better go a little crossbow instead so you have both capacities

[empty thicket]

Yeah...

[buoyant oar]

TBH, a lack of something seems like the best place for new writers to shine. Instead of blanket removal

[pulsar fossil]

so is that a yes or no

[vale sleet]

Please go vote for my cat

[buoyant oar]

No

[empty thicket]

im surprised the bot didnt took it down

[empty thicket]

none, isnt a reroll
is throwing one more dice and having to use the highest
A reroll would be an inspiration

[empty thicket]

Please, delete it before you get into big problems. No one wnat to click a random link and get into troubles.
Even if your intentions are totally 100% good, we are in a street and we cant accept candies from strangers

[vale sleet]

I swear on all that is holy it's just the link to vote for my cat on worlds cutest pet

[vagrant garnet]

There's no link?

[fleet perch]

yoooooooooo

[empty thicket]

Again, in a street and we cant accept candies from strangers
Even if it is

[vagrant garnet]

Halloween?

[fleet perch]

what is up

[vale sleet]

Please we are in second place

[empty thicket]

you are going with your parents to your neighborhood houses
even in that there is people that put razor blades in apples or other really bad things.

[woven flint]

Oh yeah, just wanted to share this so you don't think I'm bonkers

Because Harpies and Sirens are two different things and both bird people in Greek mythology
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siren_(mythology)

[vagrant garnet]

Clouds, stars, helium. A thrown child

[woven flint]

I'm a huge Greek mythology nerd

[vagrant garnet]

I thought sirens were like evil mermaids?

[woven flint]

In some depictions, but they were bird people that lured sailors to their demise

[fleet perch]

a thrown child fair enough man what a first impression

boot that mf

[vagrant garnet]

What no

[fleet perch]

into da stratosphereeeeeee

[vagrant garnet]

Why

[fleet perch]

idk u said it

[empty thicket]

neat

[vagrant garnet]

Oh I thought you ment boot me

[woven flint]

Mermaids and Sirens aren't the same thing, but culture can often get misconstrued when a message isn't clear enough

[vagrant garnet]

What about harpies and wyverns?

[woven flint]

It's nothing anyone did wrong, but it is a fun conversation point

[lusty kelp]

I thought of sirens as, like, imagine when sailors see birds for the first time, and expect to run into land, they go charging in, and run ashore, wrecking their boat, and end up dying because they were so excited over finding land. Thus "sirens"

[woven flint]

Wyverns, from my understanding, are Draconic creatures, but instead of being four legged are actually two legged and have wing-like arms

[stark tundra]

Would it be mean of me if I made poison ivy golems for my players to try and fight

[lusty kelp]

how would poison ivy golems even work?

[woven flint]

Probably so!
But, it's also because of sickness and Probably deterioration of one's mental state for being at sea for too long

[stark tundra]

Oh simple it would be a earth golem with a lot of over growth

[empty thicket]

Sirens being in different sizes, shapes and more is something i would like to see.
A normal siren would look like a common fish
A polar siren would be a bit more fatty for temperature and survival
Some would be smaller, faster and act in swarms
Some sirens would be like piranhas
etc, etc,

[lusty kelp]

I think the best answer we should have, is if sirens should be fish or birbs?

BOTH. They should be winged fish people!

[knotty juniper]

Can a casual party of three Level 12 characters defeat the Soulmonger, Atropal, and Acerak in Tomb of Annihilation?

[empty thicket]

flying sirens like those fishes too

[stark tundra]

Its a fish if it sings and is in air that's no longer a siren that's a harpy

[crimson gulch]

they can certianly try, i have done it with 4 and 5 player groups before

[lusty kelp]

how casual? Are they in sandles and shorts? On vaycay?

[buoyant oar]

Sirens have history being bird women.

[woven flint]

Yes ^

[knotty juniper]

Oh hi! lol

[woven flint]

Even Baulders Gate 3 has Sirens (as in the bird folk)

[crimson gulch]

Hello

[knotty juniper]

They are pretty casual, one is definitely on vacation. The others like to experiment with optimization but aren't really leaning into it.

[lusty kelp]

I don't exactly trust D&D to be good with naming and historical/mythological accuracy. "Gorgon" = petrified breath bull?

[woven flint]

D&D is kinda decent with it, in all surprisingness

[buoyant oar]

Fish Iconography for sirens is made up for the medieval period where artists didn't care about source material. Lol

Same with Vikings and horned helmets

[crimson gulch]

the last time i did it was a party of 5, but they rolled 3d6 in order for stats with random race and backrounds too, when it comes down to it level 12 players are powerful, if they have some of the good loot from the dungeon they have a good shot

[lusty kelp]

Besides, I honestly feel that mythological accuracy is less important in this day and age than what's floating around in pop culture. I'd sooner take anime as inspiration than accurate accounts of european myhtology

[woven flint]

I think Cultural accuracy is still pretty important...

[still shell]

Howdy

[lusty kelp]

I like stories having their own spin on things rather than trying to be faithful recreations.

[woven flint]

Because... Mythology is still a part of people's cultures and were things that were genuinely believed (sometimes) in so should be treated with respect

[burnt valley]

fire ball

[vagrant garnet]

Does anyone have a spare place in their party?

[woven flint]

I will say, that is.. a take.

[still shell]

I have never played D&D anyone have tips to get into it? I kinda know what it’s about but that’s very limited knowledge

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[woven flint]

I respect your opinion but disagree completely

[burnt valley]

Absolutely not, the DM has to sandbag to give the players an inkling of a chance

[buoyant oar]

As for Gorgons being bulls

That is not a DnD invention

[lusty kelp]

Eh, its personal experience. More players have had trouble adjusting to accuracy than they have with jokes and ideas pulled from the shows they watch and interact with. That's been my experience. They want something closer to LotR elves than they do with actual Nordic elves. Modern fantasy has become its own mythology, much like cthulhu mythos is its own modern invention

[buoyant oar]

Bull like beasts being called Gorgon goes back at least to Edward Topsell 1607 zoological text, The Historie of Foure Footed Beasts.

[still shell]

I go along with pretty well anything, I’m just not sure where to start cause all I know is Wizards cast fireball and bards are always trying to seduce something or someone

[crimson gulch]

oh it was actually 4 that did it in my hardcore game, brain problems, i recorded it too

[woven flint]

The creators of D&D are nerds.
You gotta expect them to do some research

[crimson gulch]

vivid halucinations are fine too

[woven flint]

That too!

[buoyant oar]

Did Gygax get it from that book? Probably not. A monster called the gorgon with a metal bull appeared in Marvel comics less than 10 years prior to DnD.

[lusty kelp]

bards are overrated. Its the paladins seducing things you gotta watch out for. Dragons to ride, demonesses to woo...

[still shell]

Ah ok

[woven flint]

Who said I was wooing female demons?

[buoyant oar]

Who said demons had gender

[woven flint]

Demons can identify with a gender!

[still shell]

So how would I find what class would suit me best?

[lusty kelp]

They can front as any gender (or not) as they wish

[buoyant oar]

By playing whatever you want.

[empty thicket]

"what is in your pantS?"
Chaos!!

[lusty kelp]

practice. lots of practice.

[hollow stone]

being a social construct, anything can have gender, should it choose to do so.

[burnt valley]

Experience and with the right DM

[still shell]

Idk why but paladin is just drawing me to it and I know nothing about them

[woven flint]

I'm sending 5 Death Clerics of Baphomet to your current location

[lusty kelp]

I thought you said Death Clerics of Bahamut there for a mintue, and was all like, uhhh

[stark tundra]

Do it I'll send them all back in a bag of holding

[hollow stone]

linguistically gender can also be forcibly applied to objects unable to do so, like ships or French nouns

[woven flint]

I get them mixed up too, I'm married to them /joking

[buoyant oar]

More languages are gendered than not tbf

Especially Romance Languages.

[still shell]

Is it bad a song got me to actually start looking into D&D?

[buoyant oar]

Why would that be bad.

[still shell]

Idk

[stark tundra]

What song

[crimson gulch]

nope, any way in is fine

[woven flint]

You know... that Fizban guy sure does glaze Bahamut a lot.. I wonder why.. 🤔

[still shell]

Fireball by One shot bards

[burnt valley]

Fizban's kinda mid, Bahamut's better

[buoyant oar]

Common Dragonlance L

[stark tundra]

Idk but I have one of his canarys

[woven flint]

Fizban and Bahamut are Secretly dating, clearly

[buoyant oar]

I too date my alter ego

[hollow stone]

yea, you could invent a language with one set of pronouns per noun referred to and discard the illusion of gender entirely, and that'd be really cool, but afaik hasn't happened yet

[woven flint]

He's just like me, for real...
Literally!
He's me!!!

[lusty kelp]

Doubt. You dont have five golden birbs around you.

[still shell]

Which class has the most chance to cause absolute chaos?

[woven flint]

Yuh huh.

[buoyant oar]

Fizbans is legally distinct Gandalf.
Elminster is Gandalf if he found a computer with Reddit open on it.

[woven flint]

Elminster, The Redditor Wizard

[hollow stone]

without getting caught? rogue
disregarding stealth in favor of terrorism? wizard

[lusty kelp]

I prefer my legally distinct Raistlins

[still shell]

I’m probably going wizard then

[lusty kelp]

I'd say Wild Magic Sorcerer with a Wand of Wonder.

[woven flint]

Wild Magic Sorcerer.

[lusty kelp]

Take the new FR book chaos feats too

[hollow stone]

just don't forget, d6 HP means if you do get caught they will murder you

[lusty kelp]

(DMs hate this one neat trick - )

[graceful flax]

Every artist has their own style and their prices are different. Prices often depend on the complexity of the work.

[buoyant oar]

Players hate this one DM trick

"Nah."

[woven flint]

Wild Magic Sorcerers when they hit the jackpot

I CAN'T STOP GAMBLING, WOOO!!!

[lusty kelp]

I honestly don't understand the wild magic hate.

[woven flint]

Whimsy dislikers.

[lusty kelp]

One of my first 2014 charcters was a halfling chaos sorcerer who went all in on the luck stuff

[buoyant oar]

For the new players lurking in the chat. Please never never create a pure lol random chaos character without talking to your DM and other players first.

[woven flint]

Indeed

[lusty kelp]

got a card deck of illusions as my focus

[hollow stone]

i mean me fr i just like precision and guarantee in my warfare but i understand people who think they Rico Rodriguez

[buoyant oar]

Those types of characters have a bad reputation not because the options are bad. But because people don't communicate.

[woven flint]

I'm a wild magic lover, I even suggest rolling the wild magic table if someone counterspells a Counterspell

[stark tundra]

We're just talking about it as something for fun

[woven flint]

I know :>

[buoyant oar]

Your DM counterspells counterspell.

I counterspell revivify.

We are not the same.

[crimson gulch]

i do both!

[woven flint]

I'd counterspell a Mass Cure Wounds in a heartbeat

[graceful flax]

I'd love to see your character

[burnt valley]

Thank god for the 2024 counterspell being almost entirely negated by res:con

[hollow stone]

my DM never deploys casters :(

[stark tundra]

I once counter spelled a realm shift

[lusty kelp]

sadly its been too long, but it wasn't anything special. All in on Charisma, halfling, Luck-based feats and a gambling addiction.

[keen kestrel]

Subtle counterspell

[woven flint]

It's still incredibly strong, just less punishing for players while still being super punishing for Monsters because Monsters don't use spell slots.
People don't realize that it's a buff FOR the players.

[buoyant oar]

I once dropped a caster in an Anti magic Field that was flanked by a wall of force.

[crimson gulch]

i once dropped a clould of daggers and then forcecage

[hollow stone]

"Michael! Michael don't leave me here! Michael!! MICHAEL! HELP ME-"

[woven flint]

New Counterspell is bad people when I counterspell then and then they realize they get to keep their Spellslot when Monsters don't

It's also still countering the spell!

[buoyant oar]

Still will always live the high of the Bad guy offering to cast Haste on a party member. Party member accepting it. Only for the bad guy to immediately drop Haste.

[burnt valley]

Was the field something environmental?

[buoyant oar]

No. Party was facing a group of Red Wizards.

[keen kestrel]

Especially if it’s a once per day cast for the monster, you’ve functionally removed that spell from play

[lusty kelp]

I like having counterspell on level 11+ warlock. I cast Forcecage! DM counters! I counterspell your counterspell!

[hollow stone]

probably less likely to work but cast Mage Armor on one of them to weaken their AC

[stark tundra]

Oh I remember when my dm dropped my PCs in a anti magic field forgetting I built one to be a glass cannon and the other to be a wall of meat

[buoyant oar]

Player was so excited to get hasted and then immediately laid their head down

[burnt valley]

This is why players need to come up with counters to DM shenanigans

[woven flint]

My most favorite Caster moments were
My Bladesinger Wizard negating a 70+ Damage crit completely
And
My War Cleric killing a Lich twice in one combat encounter lmao

[craggy summit]

Silvery barbs or shield spell to negate the crit? Or something else

[lusty kelp]

In 5e, I mainly prefer half-casters and warlock.

[woven flint]

No, Damage negation.

[buoyant oar]

I put players in a combat arena with a crit fisher.

When the boss Gladiator stepped out in full plate party was super excited.

First crit.

"So that armor is made of Adamantine."

[burnt valley]

Shield spell doesnt matter for crits

[stark tundra]

Basically what happened was I was playing du'kurn and grognar du'kurn is a drow warlock and grognar is a orc barbarian the anti magic field made grognar happy because his boss couldn't steal his kills

[woven flint]

He had Tashas Otherworldly Guise up, which made him immune to necrotic damage which was most of the critical damage..
Then he spent a spellslot for song of defense to completely get rid of the non-necrotic damage

[craggy summit]

Ahhhh, I can only imagine how the dm felt after that 🤣

[woven flint]

A guest person was playing that monster because it was related to their old character in the campaign lol

[burnt valley]

They have to flip the DM a middle finger as a treat lol with that happening

[burnt valley]

How did the War Cleric part happen?

[woven flint]

And then in retaliation I casted Power Word Kill 💀

[buoyant oar]

I used Silvery barbs on a player once. They took it more personally than the bad guys using Healing spells on themselves.

[keen kestrel]

I’m guessing bonk twice lol

[woven flint]

The Lich was a Flee Mortals! Lich and they have a thing where when their physical body dies, they can force wisdom saves and make someone touch the Phylactry and absorb half their hit points and respawn.

[burnt valley]

Oh

[woven flint]

The fighter failed the saves and big ol' Karkas had to save the day 🔥 lmao

It was a Double Sunbeam from my war Cleric and a Simulacrum of his Diety, The Doombringer (the simulacrum flavored by the dm lol)

[minor lake]

Does Dread Ambusher give you an extra attack or is it like you can do one or the other?

I can't remember if it's a bonus action

[woven flint]

No, it was complete annihilation

[keen kestrel]

Tbh, I was hoping for bonk twice, that’d be pretty humiliating for a lich to die to

[woven flint]

He had beef with that Lich because it killed the squadron that was under his watch...
And you don't mess with the guy whos deities main portfolio is vengeance.

[stark tundra]

I mean I one shot a litch once

[keen kestrel]

It’s an extra attack right after your first one

[minor lake]

I was listening to a 5e podcast and the gloomstalker was like "I use Zephyr strike bonus action to give me advantage, I have my favored foe, and i use dread ambusher for a second attack"

[stark tundra]

In my defense the dm told me a 20 would crit with spells

[minor lake]

BRO I've been using that shit WRONG
that's awesome

[marble lion]

Honestly respectable. Someone has to mess with him or hes gonna lose his faith

[woven flint]

Earlier he had used an Unarmed Strike to finish off a Mummy Lord if that makes you feel better.
He literally dropped his weapon to do it

[marble lion]

Not all heroes wear skin

[stark tundra]

They do just doesn't have to be there own

[keen kestrel]

Yes, it’s just an extra attack as part of the attack action on your first turn of combat

[keen kestrel]

YESSSS

The war cleric we all aspire to be

[minor lake]

Does it take a spell slot ? I've been using this completely wrong

[woven flint]

The War Cleric was a Tiefling Fellow named Karkas, he's the only Tiefling character I've had and will ever have lol

[minor lake]

Oh epic first turn
That makes more sense
That's why i haven't been using it

[keen kestrel]

Zephyr strike would, the gloomstalker ability for an extra attack does not

[stark tundra]

Honestly fair

[minor lake]

Ty

[stark tundra]

Tieflings are fun but not for me

[keen kestrel]

The extra attack from the ability also adds a 1d8 to the dmg, and you don’t have to target the same creature as the first attack

[woven flint]

He was straight VIOLENCE.
he was the only Frontliner in that party but had 7 damage resistances and didn't mind running through your fireballs to kick your ass

[upper oxide]

Hi guys I’m sorry to barge into this conversation but do u know a place where I can find a dm im new to dnd and stuff and was looking for one!

[keen kestrel]

And while it’s only on the first turn, it does stack with extra attack at level 5, so you will get 3 attacks on your first turn of combat at level 5

[stark tundra]

#find-a-game

[keen kestrel]

I want to do this, but with a forge cleric ngl

[upper oxide]

Okay thank u!!

[stark tundra]

Love the natsu pfp

[burnt valley]

Natsu, my ideal caster fantasy for draconic sorcerers

[stark tundra]

Right him or gajeel

[woven flint]

He'll definitely always be one of the most badass and legendary characters I've played, I might have him as an NPC Old man in my campaign if I ever make one lol

[upper oxide]

Thank u he’s like one of my fav characters in fairytale🥹✌️

[stark tundra]

Honestly fair I prefer the stripper

[keen kestrel]

Nastu is like a fighter/sorcerer multiclass

[burnt valley]

Unlimited heroics through the power of friendship (tireless reveller)

[keen kestrel]

2 levels for unarmed fighting style and action surge, sorcerer the rest of the way for dragon spells

[woven flint]

But knowing Karkas, he'd probably rather die fighting than become an old man lmao, Most War Clerics are probably like that

[stark tundra]

Tbf none of them are pure sorcerer

[woven flint]

Bonkers

[stark tundra]

And Lucy is a warlock

[keen kestrel]

I’d assume so, honestly I’d expect a good number of of species to have war clerics (orcs for example)

[lusty kelp]

that doesn't narrow it down.

[keen kestrel]

Makarov is a rune knight fighter lol

[woven flint]

Tieflings also make sense because they tend to seek honor or glory believe it or not

[keen kestrel]

True, dunno who else really comes to mind (maybe Dragonborn to some degree)

[woven flint]

I think it'd be funny to see a Halfling War Cleric

[keen kestrel]

Oh, dwarves can probably be war clerics, depending on their preferred job

[woven flint]

Anyone can frankly be any Cleric 🧐

[keen kestrel]

The ones who prefer fighting to smithing likely could be war clerics

[stark tundra]

Iced shell

[keen kestrel]

True, there are particular ones that are a bit out there

[woven flint]

I wish I encountered more Cleric players in my games lol

[keen kestrel]

Gray fullbuster is his name

[keen kestrel]

I’ll play a cleric if you have a spot open, I’m kind of enjoying my light cleric

[woven flint]

No, I mean, im a player lmao
I meant in games that I'm in

[keen kestrel]

Ohhh, like npc’s

[woven flint]

No, as in fellow players

[lusty kelp]

Forge cleric

[woven flint]

I don't play Cleric often, but when I do, they're typically heavily armored lads with spirit to match lol

[keen kestrel]

That’s what I meant, I’d join as a fellow player ez

[stark tundra]

Uh

Dms open if y'all want

[keen kestrel]

The best flavor wise, but artificer is actually better at making things

If it’s a Sunday campaign, I can be there at literally any time

[woven flint]

The Clerics I still have on my list are Order, Forge, Tempest, Life and Death (ones that interest me)
I've played
Trickery, War, Twilight, Grave and.. something else? I think?

[keen kestrel]

Time to play a light cleric

[woven flint]

KNOWLEDGE, my Knowledge Cleric, how could I forget, I'm currently playing him in a campaign!!!

I'm not playing in a campaign rn, but he's one of my active characters lol

[keen kestrel]

Knowledge is even better in 2024

[woven flint]

That's the version I'm playing lol

[blissful ibex]

But nature clerics get plant growth and plant growth is the best spell in the game

[keen kestrel]

[woven flint]

Nature, Arcana and Light Clerics just don't interest me all that much

[jade garden]

Ohhhhhh thx

[keen kestrel]

But knowledge clerics get free spells, and free is better

[woven flint]

All Clerics get free spells.

[keen kestrel]

I only like light cleric because I’m a sorcerer player, so being a blaster is always fun

[woven flint]

Or are you talking free castings of spells?

[keen kestrel]

That yes

[woven flint]

I'm not a big fireball fan, so that's where light Clerics fall off for me

[blissful ibex]

See I really don't run instantaneous damaging spells so I forget how quickly people burn through spellslots

[woven flint]

I'm not a fireball fan because I like my violence to be more personal

[stark tundra]

Fireball tempest cleric sorcerer elemental switch

Lighting ball

[woven flint]

Frankly? Not worth it

[stark tundra]

Until you remember tempest clerics get max damage for lighting 3 times a day

[woven flint]

Until you remember that you're gonna need at minimum 3 levels in Cleric, 13 wisdom, lose spell progression ... etc.

I'd rather just go full Sorcerer or full Cleric 😭

[stark tundra]

Actually 1 because I'm going off 2014

Not that new 2024 I despise the new one

[woven flint]

2024 Cleric is pretty damn strong tbh.

[fair plinth]

Does the thief subclass of the rogue rely on the setting/dm to make it reliable? Like how if they dont give magic items, part of their fast hands ability becomes useless? 2024 btw

[woven flint]

I mean, most dms are gonna give out magic items, i wouldn't say it's dm reliant at all to be useful

[delicate owl]

Sounds like you hate the fact multiclassing isnt as easy to do and abuse lol

[crimson gulch]

fast hands for items is great too

[fair plinth]

Fair point

[keen kestrel]

Tbf, as a cleric I don’t intend to spam them, but if my dm decides to group the massive horde of zombies a little too close together…

[stark tundra]

Nope I switched from 3.5 to 5e and not gonna learn another new system

I rarely multi class

[woven flint]

It's not a new system though lmao

[blissful ibex]

It lets you don or doff a shield as a bonus action at least

[woven flint]

Just an update and some quality of life changes for players and DMS

[blissful ibex]

That's what the gestalt ruleset is for c:

[keen kestrel]

And spirit guardians already goes a long way, as down radiance of the dawn

If I’m being honest, fireball isn’t even the best spell light clerics get

[woven flint]

Also use Caltrops, Ball Bearings, other tools that typically require an action to use lol

Caltrops are actually insanely useful

[blissful ibex]

speaking of, the UA for spirit bard is Rather interesting in that it's built around a cleric spell

[lusty kelp]

I like the idea of a storyteller bard, and a fortune teller bard. Its just... if you're gonna do the fortune teller... where's my divinations? Its a bit weird to be a tarot reader that cant do actual tarot readings

[keen kestrel]

It seems cool enough @blissful ibex

I’m not a bard player though

[blissful ibex]

they have like clairvoyance and scrying and stuff don't they?

yeah, scy, clairvoyance, and sending are all bard spells

[lusty kelp]

you scry with water bowls and mirrors, not cards. The point of those spells is to get aliteral view of another place. You can't do that with cards.

[keen kestrel]

Lore Bard feels very thematic here

[lusty kelp]

lore bard feels thematic for?

[keen kestrel]

What you’re describing

[lusty kelp]

Ah, was talking about Spirit bard with the latter, since their entire gig is being a tarot reader with their cards-as-focus thing

could work with the former, I suppose, though that was the original idea behind the Moonshae bard that got abandoned

[blissful ibex]

Find the path too , That one at least can use cards

[lusty kelp]

find the path is better~

[scarlet wadi]

hi i am new in dnd what i have to buy for start plang

[blissful ibex]

you can play completely with the free basic rules

[blissful ibex]

Read the information in #learn-to-play as well as the 'Playing the Game' and 'Character Creation' chapters in the free basic rules (https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/dnd/br-2024) following along with the instructions in the second chapter to create a character as practice.

You can use (https://www.dndbeyond.com/characters/builder) to make your first character as it comes pre-loaded with the free rules and will help walk you through the process as you follow along with 'Character Creation'. If you'd instead prefer a printable character sheet, those can be found here: https://www.dndbeyond.com/resources/1779-d-d-character-sheets#OfficialCharacterSheets

Feel free to ask any questions you still have in #dnd-newcomers, and have your practice character looked over in #character-discussion to ensure your character follows proper character creation protocol.

There's a short interactive module here (https://www.dndbeyond.com/begin/en) to get an idea of the sorts of things you might encounter in gameplay, or you could seek out videos online of live gameplay examples or things of that nature.

Once you're ready, you can head over to #find-a-game to look for a group to join or can look on one of the many LFG discord servers, r/lfg on reddit, your friendly local game store, or anywhere else games can be found.

[worn lagoon]

aughhhhh, i feel like a moron. i stuttered SO much improvising my narration the first time i tried to do that...

[balmy halo]

Wassup

[minor cargo]

I think stuttering is a really common speech difference folks have. I don't have direct experience with it, but I"m sure there are resources online that can help with various strategies! ✌️

[worn lagoon]

it's not my native language and i assure you i'd be super elaborate while improvising in turkish

alas, i overestimated my english speaking skills

[minor cargo]

Oh, simply teach your players to speak Turkish! 😉

[worn lagoon]

"okay so cast comprehend languages (press the mic button on google translate)"

[minor cargo]

But yeah, I had a DM who struggled with English. His mother tongue is Vietnamese.

He was just up front about it and asked for patience and we were all fine with it.

[worn lagoon]

i'm normally pretty fluent, i just can't understand how i fumbled so much while put on the stage

[marble lion]

Best wishes for the future

[worn lagoon]

i guess it's one of those things that come with time and experience with narrating

[marble lion]

Im sure youll get better and better soon enough

Do you ever actually spend time in english?

Or is it just fluency in a practice sense

[worn lagoon]

i live in a foreign country where english is spoken, i receive an education in english

[marble lion]

I began english speaking in overwatch voice chat

Ah alright fair enough

[worn lagoon]

i speak to my friends in english just fine all the time, must've been some stage fright or lack of experience with narrating in particular.

it is its own skill seperate from just speaking, but it is so much harder even if you have narrating experience in your own language

[marble lion]

Yup dm nerves

[still plover]

What's that got to do with me?

[olive wasp]

Everything

[stoic haven]

Boo, how we doin today

[olive wasp]

AHHHHHHHH AHHHHHHH (I’ve been spooked)

[glacial ingot]

I want you guys to rate my Campaign idea. It’s a meta-fantasy campaign where the Main Villian realises he’s in a game so he starts changing the game and its rules. Even altering the player’s character sheets.

He also can bend reality using narrative

[minor cargo]

Sounds like it could work!

That said, if I was a player and the main villain changed my sheet, hmm, I dunno. That might be fun, but it also might feel kind of bad. Like obviously my characters is my own - so if it suddenly changes, it kind of feels like I don't really have that much control in the game anyways.

[worldly flare]

Interesting, though the immediate question is why doesn’t he just kill them instantly, though that might just be the nerd part of me talking

[meager fractal]

I don't think I'd like it if the villain made changes to my sheet

[crimson gulch]

Nah, that sort of meta game creates a lot of problems, keep the rules of the game constant and tell a story in your world j would say

[glacial ingot]

Fair enough. Thanks for the rating!

[timid current]

that can be a lot of fun! I wouldn't spring it whole cloth on the players though

[grim flicker]

Lol I just now saw a post where someone decided on a campaign where the party finds out the Common language is actually a virus.

[tardy kayak]

Is this server moderated by WotC or is it community driven? I ask because I am trying to reach out for support for a local gaming convention I started. Does anyone know if there are programs that might help us out?

[idle oar]

We are owned and operated by Wizards of the Coast

[tardy kayak]

You personally?

[idle oar]

I am a contractor paid to moderate this server ran by Wizards of the Coast. Have you considered running Adventurers League games for your convention?

[tardy kayak]

I had to make that joke... it sounded ominous

[idle oar]

?al

[cosmic roost]

What is the Adventurers League?

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[Find out more](#al-rules-compendium message)

Are you interested in the Adventurers League?
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[grim flicker]

WOTC doesn't do slavery lol

[tardy kayak]

I have thought about it but we are all amateur GMs. Doesn't AL have rules about that?

[idle oar]

Folks in #adventurers-league can help get you started on that and I believe AL offers official convention support.

[tardy kayak]

I have a few other publishers sending me "Con-Kits" includes some posters, printed game modules, stickers... that kind of stuff.

[idle oar]

Although there's also Legends of Grayhawk (LOG) for in-person conventions but that's a bit more closed right now.

[tardy kayak]

ok thanks... I can try over there.

[buoyant oar]

AL is a great program for smaller conventions and bigger ones too!. A vastly over looked tool that needs more support and featuring on places like DND beyond.

[timid current]

while terrible that's unrelated

[stiff rock]

i need a little input from players rather than DMs here - but what makes travel in your games feel like travel to you? how do your DMs run travel and what about it is good, and what isn't?

[rough basalt]

My first game the DM would use weather and random encounters to make travel feel fun.

[blissful ibex]

Prety much my same suggestions for more survival oriented play
mainly:

• make random encounter tables
• don't bring the party to the immediate area of whatever objective, and have them need to look around a bit to find it
• add chase sequences
• add tracking quests, encounters,
• hide things along the path for ther party to potentially find if they poke around
• add obstacles like rivers that have overflowed their banks, weather, hazards, etc
• use the Extreme heat/cold rules
• Roll for weather every day and have that matter if they're going to be outside; perhaps have it impact the disposition of NPCs
• make slightly longer, more survival oriented treks where the party needs to move through less developed areas and have to find/conserve food/resources
• actually keep track of rations/water/feed and have the druid/ranger burn slots on goodberry and create/destroy water if that's the plan
• encourage the use of pack animals if they have to travel far

Even just a few things like this in the right spots really helps highlight your more nature oriented classes and also gives the whole party something interesting to tackle rather than a cut to black

[stiff rock]

would they roll on the spot for them and just go with it? and how did they narrate the in-betweens? i assume "today was rainy, and you are attacked by goblins" wasn't everything?

[rough basalt]

They'd roll on the spot, they'd narrate us traveling, the weather a bit and then encounter

Can't wait until my Monday game hits Winter so I can kill them with cold rules

[near karma]

sorry for necroposting but I just saw this
guidance does stack, here's how:

Player A casts guidance on player C

Player B casts guidance on player C

Now because of combining magical effects, guidance from player A is suppressed

Player C uses guidance from player B, and now guidance from player A is active again due to guidance from player B ending, so the first guidance can now be used

In 2014, guidance ends when you roll the d4, so the stacking is done automatically for you. In 2024, it's weirder because the casters need to drop concentration after you use the d4.

[stiff rock]

my main reason for asking is i've tried both ends of travel (rolling+narration, and straight up narration), but i feel like i never get it right. it never feels like travel to my players and i need to know what to improve on

the weather rolling sounds quite interesting

[stiff rock]

as well as this list, so tysm

[rough basalt]

Weather and Natural events are pretty big for exploration

[near karma]

since combining magical effects only applies to effects while their durations overlap, you can stack effects without overlapping durations, which allows for guidance, resistance, ray of frost, ceremony, and synaptic static stacking

[blissful ibex]

It's such a small thing that is so, incredibly narritively and mechanically impactful

[tardy kayak]

On the travel question... in my sandbox campaign where we play a one shot four hour game everyweek, I have a world map with locations I measure on inch hex. Each hex is a day of travel. Each day of travel get's a role from a table of random events that I made up. (40% combat encounters, 30% World building informational, 20% red herrings, and 10% stumble across extra resources) I didn't think of it but adding weather events would be good.

[blissful ibex]

like it being foggy or heavily rainy giving everyone lightly obscured for instance

[rough basalt]

the supernatural phenomenon from Tashas can spice things up too

[tardy kayak]

Most quests are 2-5 travel days away. Sometimes they get to the destination without combat.

[stiff rock]

what i've taken away from this is i need

• some kind of rules for ration tracking
• determining weather
• a set of random encounters and how to determine if they happen

i really like this but i worry i will get caught up in just rolling dice over and over, and forget to narrate

[blissful ibex]

or heavy rain or snow making the areas off roads be difficult terrain

[woven flint]

Hello, friends

[stiff rock]

and do you guys count days of travel as long rests?

[blissful ibex]

Make a weather chart with options suitable for the enviornment and roll against it; Control weather references some of the weather rules IIRC

[glass granite]

I greet the Lord of Goofy!

[woven flint]

Yes, Yes, Hello, tis I, a strange fellow 🧐

[keen kestrel]

If you camp at night and don’t constantly ride, absolutely

[stiff rock]

alright - just wondering in terms of exhaustion rules. feel like it makes exhaustion absolutely moot for travel if you rest each night

[blissful ibex]

long rests are like settling down to camp for the night; if not in a safe enviorn roll to see if they get ambushed, and reward them for setting watch or using spells like alarm, cordon of arrows, or tiny hut

[keen kestrel]

If you ride throughout the night because you’re in a rush, that’s different

[stiff rock]

my players will be travelling in a desert, so i wanna implement some kind of heat exhaustion. my understanding is that long rests remove exhaustion

[tardy kayak]

If the purpose of the game is travel and exploration, take a look at Pathfinder 2e much more of a focus.

[woven flint]

Awh, damn, thinking about traveling makes me think of my Weredeer Shifter Monk
My party got into a Carriage with a noble, but my Monk was unsure of him so he hung on the side on the outside of the Carrige lmao

"Easier to bust a window in than out."

[blissful ibex]

which is why, if you're moving through the wilderness and setting camp, you need to roll for ambushes

[blissful ibex]

both extreme heat and cold, deserts are frigid at night

[stiff rock]

and would an ambush prevent a long rest having its effect? i know it's 8 hours of uninterrupted doing-nothings but can they not just go straight back to resting

[keen kestrel]

This is why I play with find familiar, you better believe someone is keeping lookout and we are not about get surprised

[blissful ibex]

it'd cut into their travel time the next day, if they set a watch, maybe they can scare off the enemies or avoid being surpuised

[stiff rock]

should i prep a distance required to travel and not an amount of days then?

[woven flint]

Even familiars can be caught off gaurd 🧐

[keen kestrel]

If the monsters are completely invisible and soundproof, I suppose so

[stiff rock]

rules are so confusing i should really just take my players on a real hike

[blissful ibex]

that might be good to do, yeah

[woven flint]

Surprise familiar punch!!!!
Comical Bonk

[woven flint]

Familiars aren't THAT strong and/or aware of everything lol
It's a level 1 spell

[keen kestrel]

They just have ridiculous passive perception tbf

[woven flint]

Not all the time

[blissful ibex]

don't have to make survival/exploration a massively outsized pillar, but every dm should 100% implement at least somelevel of that list

[stiff rock]

my campaign is gonna be mostly travel, so i'd like to implement a set of concrete and fun rules for it

[woven flint]

Never overestimate the usefulness of a Familiar, that's my motto 🧐

[stiff rock]

never in my year of DMing has a single one of my players cast find familiar

[tardy kayak]

I see it all the time.

[keen kestrel]

I usually go with owl, advantage on perception checks for sight or sound are pretty nice

[stiff rock]

my players usually only take damaging spells

[sacred sparrow]

teach them the value of utility the hard way

[keen kestrel]

Gotta teach them the value of utility spells

[woven flint]

One spell you should never be caught lackin' is Detect Magic

[blissful ibex]

I keep forgetting to use mine and then I remember she exists and she absolutely trivializes things

[blissful ibex]

welp, hope the learny quick

[keen kestrel]

I’ve got it on my warlock, cannot tell you how often it’s saved us

[woven flint]

Frankly, familiars feel like a Money Drain to me, especially when your dm is okay with killing them.

As they should be, dms should kill familiars! Make you sound resources smh.

[bleak snow]

hey all. I need some tips and tricks. I wanna make a oneshot where the players explore an arcade and play little minigames instead of just fighting a random enemy, but I need to figure out how to make that fun. skill contests can get repetitive

[keen kestrel]

I guess, my familiar never really interacts in combat

[sacred sparrow]

integrate small dice or card games, Heckna! does something like that with it's midway games

[keen kestrel]

Like at most, I’ve been using him in a pinch to cast cure wounds on a fallen friend

[blissful ibex]

at level 20 My character has
0/8 damaging cantrips
~4/43 damaging spells *if you count absorb elements
tbf she's a mix of martial and spellcaster but still, 0 utility spells is wild to me

[woven flint]

Yeah, neither do none of the ones I've had, but they can't always just be out of the area when combat starts.

[bleak snow]

good idea! thank you!

[keen kestrel]

I make an owl, generally they’re sitting in a tree hiding nearby

[stiff rock]

we have one caster and i believe all he has is mending

[keen kestrel]

If we’re in a dungeon, they are waiting outside

[stable crane]

Hey chat, what is the best way to make a D&D character? I tried D&D beyond for my first character and it wasn’t that bad since I was new and all but for my next char it feels kind of restrictive

[keen kestrel]

Mending and mage hand are my go tos

[woven flint]

You see, in a Dungeon would be where a familiar is most useful imo.

[stiff rock]

physical sheets are usually the best way to go as d&dbeyond only allows you access to content you own on the website

i also find i remember my character's abilities and equipment more if i'm physically writing it myself

as opposed to buying physical books, which last forever and don't require an internet connection

[blissful ibex]

roll20 is nice because you can use your physical media by manually entering in the information from your physical books

[stable crane]

Sure, I can try that, just gotta sink some time into it and I am willing to

[woven flint]

But, by the time yoy get high level divinations, I feel familiars fall off vastly (Arcane Eye, my beloved, can map out an entire Dungeon with it cause it lasts an hour lol and don't have to send a creature into danger)

[bleak snow]

roll20 has its ups and downs, but I'd say is pretty solid for being free

[stiff rock]

once you get used to it, it never really takes too long

[blissful ibex]

I'm more a prestidigitaion, elementalism, and mold earth sort of gal
maybe a bit of minor illusion and mending as well

[stiff rock]

i spend longer deciding how my character looks than i do on stats

[woven flint]

Only THE best cantrips
Utility and Tomfoolery wise

[blissful ibex]

true XD

[soft hare]

Hey chat
If the main character from the hollow knight game were to be in dnd what sentient creature would it be in the DND world?

[woven flint]

I use Prestidigitation to PISS yourself!!!!

[blissful ibex]

Thri-Kreen?

[woven flint]

Be a Sorcerer with Prestidigitation and Subtle Spell, then you're cooking a mean omelet

[blissful ibex]

Thri-Kreen with the new Hollow Warden Ranger UA for a class

[keen kestrel]

See, this is my kind of fellow right here

[icy plaza]

sup guys

[woven flint]

I mean... ehhh..

[soft hare]

Hmm....

[woven flint]

Be a Thri-Kreen Eldritch Knight lmao
Or Bladesinger Wizard

[blissful ibex]

I raise you a GOOlock with minor illusion and the One with Shadows invocation c:

[keen kestrel]

A thri-kreen who only uses one weapon

[soft hare]

Well he is a knight and has the powers of soul and is the embodiment of the void

[glass granite]

My player playing them is a hexblade

[soft hare]

Let's remove the embodiment of the void part

[blissful ibex]

Need the other hands for all the funky trinkets the knight gets

[keen kestrel]

I raise YOU a shadow sorcerer/gloomstalker/shadow monk/hexblade party, no one will ever see you

[jovial shadow]

I've used D&D Beyond many times and never felt restricted. It was definitely a learning process, because although it figures out all of the formulas for you, you have to know where they are and how to interact with some of them. Aside from that, you can roll your dice electronically on there. I don't see any need to do everything on a physical sheet. Besides the DM can also look at your character when you link it to them.

[woven flint]

My favorite character was an Aasimar Aberrant Mind Sorcerer of mine, Zihass Xolba.
He was ALWAYS.. Always using Detect Thoughts and people were just so creeped out when he'd say something on their mind lmao

[soft hare]

Heyyyy
That's cheating

[woven flint]

He was a menace too.
He had our Druid wall up a cultists in a room in pretense we'd come back.
He never reminded them, but he remembered for certain.

[vagrant quartz]

Tomorrow I get to play dnd

[woven flint]

Who knew an angelic being could be so cruel 😔

[soft hare]

Maybe just go with knight x mage role?

[vagrant quartz]

I get to play my favorite bard boy ! Life is good (except when you witness horrible stuff daily but that's just bcs y'know Ravenloft)

[blissful ibex]

Eldritch Knight Fighter, Some flavor of Ranger, or Bladesinger Wizard

[marble maple]

Im itching to play dnd. My current session has been on hiatus for about a month now, just when things were getting more interesting

[woven flint]

Bladesingers are fun
And they're also a bit frail
Get the true hollow knight experience

[blissful ibex]

mine's been like that a year q_q
picked up a new one and have been playing loads of AL though

[woven flint]

I'm in

7 campaigns :>

[glass granite]

Hi in, I’m Nugget

[vagrant quartz]

Still not enough

[woven flint]

You're getting beaten to death.

[blissful ibex]

Needs Acrobatics and Arcana for sure

[vagrant quartz]

Hi nugget :D

[woven flint]

6 D&D games and one Starfinder 2e Game

[keen kestrel]

Time to find another long term group to play with, I’m hopeful I have

[glass granite]

Hi 👋

[soft hare]

Do we have other sentient bug species? Preferably unintimidating and only 2 arms

[woven flint]

My Starfinder crew is absolutely nutty 😭

[blissful ibex]

not really for insects

[marble maple]

A whole year is insane

[vagrant quartz]

Are they all squirrels?

[soft hare]

Fine...
I'll do a goblin run

[woven flint]

I thought my Ratfolk Mechanic fella would've been the oddball out, but he's the most normal person in the group and there's TWO humans in that group as well lmao

[blissful ibex]

Technically, you could use a small tiefling modled after one of the more insectoid demons or fiends

[vagrant quartz]

How screwed up mentally are those hoomans?

My cat has the zoomies hold up

[glass granite]

Hooman?
flashbacks

[soft hare]

I'll just use whatever species is small/short, not scary, and kinda cute

[glass granite]

Autognome?

[vagrant quartz]

Just be a fairy,

[woven flint]

Ones kind of okay?
He's just an Old man
But the other one...
I can't even say some of the things she's done...
She's like... a cybernetically beefed up psychopath who thinks people from different planets are just people from different states in America or different countries on Earth lmao

[blissful ibex]

Honnestly, just use whichever species is mechanically closest to what you want to achevie and then reflavor it
flavor is free and the species are just a bunch of rules text with suggested flavoring

[vagrant quartz]

I think that's the closest to non intimidating insect 🦋 you can make them more insect like

[woven flint]

She calls my Ratfolk fella a New Yorker lmao

[vagrant quartz]

Twitch league of legends 🐀

[woven flint]

Whar

[vagrant quartz]

Ig rat

[woven flint]

Our group has a Bug Person Outlaw who's also a streamer...
With a very low subscriber count lmao

[vagrant quartz]

How many subs to ragebait the paladin?

[woven flint]

Oh, this is Starfinder, there are no Paladins

[vagrant quartz]

I can't remember what that is

[keen kestrel]

I hate everything about it now

[woven flint]

The classes are
Mechanic, Technomancer, Witchwarper, Mythic, Soldier, Solairan, Envoy and Operative.

[vagrant quartz]

OOOPOH THATH ONE

[keen kestrel]

I’ll recant my statement, technomancer sounds so cool

[woven flint]

It's a pathfinder thing
But Starfinder 😎

Spaaaaaace!

[soft hare]

Dwarf with dwarfism

[woven flint]

Halfling moment /j

[marble lion]

Chat do i pull a card? Next donation decides

[vagrant quartz]

I remember aunti Ethel saying something similar lmao-

[halcyon forum]

I want something like the soldier class in my fantasy games sooo badly

[soft hare]

It's a dwarf
But half the size of a regular dwarf

[keen kestrel]

They need a subclass for fighter like that

[blissful ibex]

Harengon is generally a good go-to for more flighty, agile characters

[marble lion]

Battlemaster is typical soldier

[halcyon forum]

mot sure a subclass coul do it justice

[woven flint]

Honestly, I wish my Dm for Starfinder would've streamed it, the people in that group are the funniest bunch I know
And a few of them are streamers themselves lmao

[marble lion]

Soldier isnt a class anyway. Its a job

[halcyon forum]

the starfinder soldier class is VERY different to the battlemaster fighter

[undone tundra]

hihi!

[halcyon forum]

Soldier is a class in starfinder

[marble lion]

Oh you mean specifically starfinder soldier

[soft hare]

I run a tanky build in hollow knight so I'm leaning more on dwarves for their frame

[vagrant quartz]

Me and my friend wanted to try out helluva town, anyone has any experience with that one?

[halcyon forum]

yes very specifically the mechanics and flair

[blissful ibex]

I'd say autognome then; really plays into the knight's alien nature as a vessel and is a solidly tanky species

[soft hare]

Forgot about those things

[vagrant quartz]

I just want to be a hot cocoa mug with a marshmallow Gatling gun 🥺

[crude harness]

could any of you guys look at my character to see If I should change anything

[hushed mason]

try #character-discussion ?

[crude harness]

okkkkk

[limber trail]

Realistically characters like the knight are challenging to pull off in ttrpgs because the point of the knight is that it's an empty vessel, lacking a lot of personality and identity, where ttrpgs shine when characters have that personality in spades. (You wanna be able to enjoy playing four hours a week of a character, and a silent protagonist without all that much agency isn't always the most fun to play)

More to the point, anyways, there's not really a great analogue for the knight as far as species go. As others have mentioned, thri-keen are the closest we have to bug folk but it's not an exact match. I would really say, you're not gonna get anything all too close to the knight without some heavy reflavouring. Talk to your DM about the kinda character you wanna play - usually they're the ones with the best ideas how to merge your fantasy in with the world and mechanics of a ttrpg. I would especially do this if you plan on heavily reflavouring a species, especially one which is a cornerstone of fantasy with all sorts of expectations surrounding it (such as dwarf)

[bright vortex]

HELLO

[keen kestrel]

Hello

[tawny wedge]

What's up

[bright vortex]

i joined for emojis yayyy

[keen kestrel]

Respectable, I joined because I want to talk about this game all the time

[bright vortex]

i never play dad

how can i even try it?

[hushed mason]

The rules are free. Go read them. 🙂

[bright vortex]

😭 lazy well bai baiii

[blissful ibex]

Read the information in #learn-to-play as well as the 'Playing the Game' and 'Character Creation' chapters in the free basic rules (https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/dnd/br-2024) following along with the instructions in the second chapter to create a character as practice.

You can use (https://www.dndbeyond.com/characters/builder) to make your first character as it comes pre-loaded with the free rules and will help walk you through the process as you follow along with 'Character Creation'. If you'd instead prefer a printable character sheet, those can be found here: https://www.dndbeyond.com/resources/1779-d-d-character-sheets#OfficialCharacterSheets

Feel free to ask any questions you still have in #dnd-newcomers, and have your practice character looked over in #character-discussion to ensure your character follows proper character creation protocol.

There's a short interactive module here (https://www.dndbeyond.com/begin/en) to get an idea of the sorts of things you might encounter in gameplay, or you could seek out videos online of live gameplay examples or things of that nature.

Once you're ready, you can head over to #find-a-game to look for a group to join or can look on one of the many LFG discord servers, r/lfg on reddit, your friendly local game store, or anywhere else games can be found.

[bright vortex]

holy meabhyy

[blissful ibex]

well, you asked

[bright vortex]

that was too much

[blissful ibex]

Things worth doing take effort

[bright vortex]

such a big meanieee

[blissful ibex]

anyway, brb, gonna eat something quick cuz I have a game in like 45 mins

[vagrant quartz]

What kind of game

[bright vortex]

aight ill go aswell tbh i gotta sleep

[blissful ibex]

D&D Adventurers League

[marble maple]

I should look into another campaign if the one im in gets postponed again. I got so many characters Ive been wanting to use

[vagrant quartz]

I want a silly campaign

I want to use a joke character so bad but I keep on doing Serious stuff!

[blissful ibex]

same, also a gestalt ruleset campaign q_q

[vagrant quartz]

I just wanted to make a blacksmith fairy who can't even touch iron!

[vagrant quartz]

Good luck 🤞

[stoic obsidian]

Guys, wanna know what a cultist favorite spell?

It is suggestion

[lusty kelp]

Evard's Gentle Tentacles

[stoic obsidian]

It evard’s black tentacles

[vagrant quartz]

Freaky

[lusty kelp]

Not this version!

[blissful ibex]

Not math suggestion?

mass*

I'm on VTT and Google doesn't like me >.>

[stoic obsidian]

Mass Suggestion, if you recruiting multiple people

[lusty kelp]

I like doing warlock cultists, so they do Disguise Self and Friendship

10 people tell you to join, but they're the same girl each time in disguise

[vale sage]

I'm guessing I can't post links to something here but figured I'd ask before trying. Not trying to promote anything just saw something I really thought would be nice and interesting to share. Basically, sharp (edged) dice. There's a whole technical argument about why they're (much) better which, I'll be honest, I've forgotten, but I do remember that I was convinced of it a long, long time ago and just saw a worthy place to buy some from.

[crimson gulch]

We have a channel for dice

https://discord.com/channels/516367331358801950/1133173391621378108

[lyric idol]

Or yknow Norse Foundry

[sacred sparrow]

Mutant Blood Hunter Plasmoid that's just a writhing mass of loose flesh, yes or no?

[knotty pasture]

Yes

[woven flint]

Hilarious

My Drow Warlock is currently trying to prevent Lolth from getting pieces of the Rod of Seven Pieces lmao

He got his ass kicked hard last session lol

I can imagine Lolthites would love to execute him right about now

[umbral girder]

Idea. 3 more bears

[woven flint]

No.

[umbral girder]

You’re right 4 more bears

[woven flint]

We already have to deal with these Three Warforged fellows where last session ended off.

Perhaps I can negotiate though

[umbral girder]

Perm haps

[woven flint]

Rarely am I happy to be playing a Charisma character as I don't typically like facing, but I can be damn good at it, I suppose

[sharp sierra]

??????

Is this ■■?

[lucid flax]

I found a dnd website that was like Reddit but specifically dnd centered, but can’t find it again. It was like something forge, any idea what it was??

[woven flint]

Is what

[woven flint]

Heroforge
No, wait..

Worldforge?

[near junco]

This might be an off-topic question but do yall ever find it so difficult to find games, like im a minor and every game I see is either 18+, at midnight for me, or full.

[hushed mason]

I find it very difficult to find a game... so I decided to run one. 3.5 is hard to find.

[idle oar]

Minors and trying to join online D&D games with internet strangers is always going to be challenging for legal and social reasons.

[sweet axle]

Hey I’m new to dnd and I’m wanting to find a group of people to play with for my first ever campaign

[idle oar]

You may have better luck seeing if your school has a D&D/RPG club

[near junco]

Yeah i tried running one too but it was a absolute ****show.

[idle oar]

Give #find-a-game a good read - has useful tips and explains how to use our Looking For Game channels

[sweet axle]

Ta very much

[near junco]

I wish rural irish schools suck, I do have a group I play with online Saturdays (all minors) but my gf is the dm and im tryna find a game for her to play as a player with me but honestly it feels like getting teeth pulled.

[stark tundra]

Ah rural school was fun

[near junco]

Its alr tho ill keep checking #looking-for-players until I find something lol.

[woven flint]

Best of luck

[idle oar]

Yeah it can be like that and it's hard. Sorry that being a minor can be so challenging in this regard. Occasionally we do see some LFG posts that are specifically tailored for youth but... got to be patient and keep looking.

(But also as a minor do be careful - we've had incidents of creeps specifically targeting minors which is why we have the "don't share personally identifying information" rule on the server)

[near junco]

Ah yeah Im not that young and ive been on the Internet long enough to seen creeps lol.

Plus my gf only wants to play with other minors anyways, personally idm but I gotta respect her wishes.

[silent veldt]

hullo

[vale sage]

Hi all

[umbral girder]

It can be a useful tool kit to have

[lethal grail]

I just played my first ever campaign!

[hushed mason]

huzzah

[coral hull]

Hello everyone, was recently gifted that welcome to hellfire DND Set and i was wondering if anyone has had the chance to run it? I had a question about the pre made characters and their proficeny bonus? does anyone know where to ocate that on the sheet? i have an idea but it is not clearly mark. If you can help thank you if not peace and love.

[unborn lotus]

You'll probably have a lot more luck in the Adventure Spoilers dedicated thread
https://discord.com/channels/516367331358801950/1428731632885698630

[unborn lotus]

How was it??

[lethal grail]

It was pretty awesome! Got me super excited for next weeks game. With it being my first time playing, it took me a little while to get used to different actions/dice rolling and turn taking. And also the role play aspect as well

[tawdry sentinel]

+2 at level 1
Goes up every 4 levels
+3 at 5
+4 9
+5 at 13

[lethal grail]

Still figuring out the different cantrips and leveling up and what not of my character

[unborn lotus]

Pretty typical for a first session 😛
Did you create the character yourself from scratch?

[rose current]

whoever wants to discuss campagin or character ideas dm me 🙂

[lethal grail]

I did! Paper sheet and all. Watching youtube videos and reading through dnd beyond for specific info. Turned out pretty great in my opinion

[unborn lotus]

There's also #character-discussion and #dm-world-building

[unborn lotus]

That's great 😁
Honestly the perfect way to make a character imo

I'll never let my players not use paper character sheets 😤
The D&D Beyond builder guarantees players who have no idea how their character works 😅

[compact pollen]

jow did i not know abt this before omg

[compact pollen]

i love paper sheets

i did my first full one abt a month ago, i always leave em half finished in a folder lmao

[stable crane]

First char was alr kinda hard because he is closer to a stout but I could only make him a dwarf due to D&D beyond

[empty thicket]

im enjoying too much the pages, it help me to keep track of lots of stuff, texts, spells, etc.

[compact pollen]

yeah my first sheet was an astral body monk the paper is way better to keep notes on with that complicated of a character

[coral hull]

Thank you, but when it comes to their actuall abilities it isnt marked on the sheet with a filled in bubble or a star like on some premades. Would you know how to identify? thank you

[long belfry]

So when people say homebrew campaign they just mean I made it up from my brain we're not using a source book because that's how I see it being used but I thought it meant like house rules and handmade creatures and stuff

[tawdry sentinel]

I don't have the set so would have no idea.

If they have the +5 etc next to for example sleight of hand, you can see what they're proficient in if sleight of hand is 5 but stealth is 3 or so on, when both use Dex. But that's a very roundabout way of doing it.

[empty thicket]

sometimes it add his own whole set of rules, other times they add some just homebrew stuff, like items, mechanics, etc.
Depend on each one

[jovial shadow]

Homebrew is something you do on your own, and often it does means your own house rules which may be foreign to D&D altogether. I prefer premade adventures, especially from the 70's and 80s. You don't have to follow them word for word or even in the same setting. They can be used as guide to something else you would like to create.

[ocean belfry]

Hello. I am new to this server. I wasn’t sure where to introduce myself.

I have played D&D before since 2021 when I wanted to try it out. I have played 2 to 3 games in 5e. I have both Roll20 and D&D Beyond.

I have played Artificer on my first game (not really sure if I played it right), I played as a Sorcerer twice, and I was in a campaign as a rogue for 1 session before the campaign died due to scheduling issues. I have drawn my characters. And I have been interested in homebrew creations. I did make a homebrew race that I wanna try out.

[glass granite]

Welcome!

[empty thicket]

Bienvenido!

[empty thicket]

any favorite spell buddy?

[echo gulch]

Greetings adventurers!

What are some good adventures that I can run as a new dungeon master? I'm wanting to start my players at level one. But I'm not exactly sure what adventure to run with them.

[empty thicket]

BBEG evade taxes, the party work for the IRS. Must collect.

[ocean belfry]

Well that’s a tough question to answer. Perhaps Hellish Rebuke, I played a Tiefling because they were cool. And maybe Magic Missile as well.

[unborn lotus]

It can mean any of that stuff.
But almost always it means they created the world and not the rules. There's a store bought campaign setting like Greyhawk or one you make up.
Anything in D&D that you make up is considered homebrew

Most homebrew campaigns will have a few homebrew creatures probably, but usually not much else. People actually like to play D&D y'know, not whatever terrible concoction the DM is cooking up

[unborn lotus]

(this is in reference to homebrew rules which drastically change the game (almost always a bad idea unless you know your group super well) not in reference to DM creations in general)

[unborn lotus]

I print sheets on super nice parchment card, to encourage my players to want to use them 😛
I've been out of the game for a few months and was doing inventory the other day and realised I have like 100 super premium character sheets ready to go, which was a fun discovery.

[compact pollen]

hahaaa thats beautiful

[austere spindle]

Thanks my grandma says the same thing

[west sail]

Is there anyone here who lives in TN

[unborn lotus]

I don't know where that is so I probably don't... Just in case this is really specific I'll gently remind you the server has rules against sharing your location outside of very large regions like timezone or country

[glass granite]

I assume Tenesse?

Idk tho, I’m no the opposite side of the world in the Land Down Under

[rose wedge]

I don't tell people where I live. I just get doxxed like a real modern folk.

[crimson gulch]

There's server rules against revealing personal info like that

[west sail]

ok buddy hope you're having fun

Well the only kind of d&d stuff I do is games on my ps5

[unborn lotus]

Ditto 😛
No way would I recognise an American state by state code lmao
I mightn't recognise an American state if you wrote out the whole name

[west sail]

Cause only adults here and none of them play d&d

[full surge]

Just seeing if anyone has any suggestions... I was granted the Scissors of Shadow Snipping. DM has allowed me to have 1 shadow that has its own attack turn and any other shadow takes my primary action and/or bonus action if i want to have 1 or 2 more attack. Has anyone found a beneficial way to utilize this item?

[cerulean monolith]

Given that Tennessee has over 7 million people… I’m sure there’s someone. Check local population centers for game stores, they’ll be the places to connect with people.

You can also scour libraries, Facebook groups… all that stuff

[west sail]

And I know you all talk about the board game on here not console d&d game

[mighty ocean]

ok I have a wizard for my character. it shows I have a bunch of level slots with different spells. How do I know what ones to use and when? Is there a video or a cliff notes for it?

[unborn lotus]

Yeah, I guarantee if you live in a state in the USA there's someone else in your state on this discord
Whether you'll find them active on the same day as you is a different question... But you'll easily find folks in your timezone

If you're actually looking to join a local game group I recommend looking up a dedicated discord for D&D in your area

This international discord doesn't really facilitate irl games

This is against the rules - please don't share PII such as specific locations outside of country or timezone

Might want to remove that one

[coarse ravine]

I removed it was just gonna recommend a gaming hall that is popular near here

[graceful token]

hi

[unborn lotus]

Hello Capybara

[cerulean monolith]

There’s not a “console D&D game”

[coarse ravine]

Larian studios bg3 would be considered dnd

[cerulean monolith]

No, it wouldnt

[coarse ravine]

Has basically everything dnd involvement and mechanics

[eager marsh]

It's the functional equivalent when you say teh term 'console D&D' however

[coarse ravine]

With a few rule changes for video game purposes

[cerulean monolith]

D&D is a social ttrpg. BG3 is neither of those things. It’s lacking the core components of D&D

[coarse ravine]

Has action, bonus action, reaction, movement, rp in choices... exploration several ways to play the game as well

[cerulean monolith]

They’re different games. BG3 may be inspired by D&D 5e, but it is not the same game

[eager marsh]

Considering Solo D&D is a thing that exists, you cannot arbitrarily declare the social aspect is a requirement to still be considered D&D

[coarse ravine]

I mean you can play with others. But its a dnd game I would definitely say bg3 is a dnd game

[cerulean monolith]

It’s not arbitrary. It’s literally in the first chapter of he PHB

[empty thicket]

Making a campaign kinda like dark souls, making that if a character die he can resurrect in the last fire they rested. A tpk would result in loosing Gold in general

Would be good idea that?

[eager marsh]

That would suggest that Solo D&D is 'not D&D' as well. Which is just splitting hairs. But this is (as we often do) a pointless semantics argument

[coarse ravine]

I mean same concept as Witcher game not being the book or the series.

[cerulean monolith]

It’s not a pointless semantics argument? That would be debating over terminology, not what something factually is. BG3 is, factually, not D&D

[cerulean monolith]

Yes, the Witcher video games are not part of the Witcher book series

[coarse ravine]

But bg3 has everything dnd with a automated dm and automated responses.

Its video game version dnd

[cerulean monolith]

Imagination is a key ingredient of Dungeons & Dragons, a cooperative game in which the characters that you roleplay embark on adventures together in fantasy worlds filled with monsters and magic.
First paragraph in the Basic Rules 2024, bold added by me

[oak grotto]

If the dude wants Baldur's Gate the DnD video game then let him. These are semantics.

[eager marsh]

They aren't going to cave on how they define D&D

[coarse ravine]

I mean the game allows you like 4 choices for each question. It is not true imagination but its video game choice imagination.

[cerulean monolith]

I don’t think people’s desires nor opinions can alter reality. Just because somebody wants BG3 to be D&D, does not make it so.

And this isn’t a semantic nor pointless argument; if newcomers come in here, as they so often do, and see people claiming that BG3 is D&D, they’re going to be confused and misinformed.

[coarse ravine]

Ill agree its not = to real dnd. But saying "theres no console dnd game" is false.

I mean there is a Larian studios discord. This is a dnd discord big difference in tabletop and video games

[eternal karma]

Is the Jump spell better in 2014?

[eager marsh]

"Baldur's Gate 3 is as close to playing pen and paper Dungeons & Dragons 5th edition as you can get within the medium of a videogame with many of the core principals and ideas being incorperated as well as they can with that restriction." That is a true statement i think we can at least agree upon

[oak grotto]

It's a game based off of DnD. There's really no point in making this deeper than it actually is.

[eager marsh]

Not really no. The only time 2014 Jump spell is 'better' than the 2024 version of the spell was for ultra niche, Strength Belt using Meme Monk builds that relied on the multipliers

[oak grotto]

Anyway... let's talk about our Illusion wizard characters. Do you guys have one or played as one?

[coarse ravine]

A video game at the end of the day. Of course being socially surrounded by people is better. Thats why
in person> FaceTime dnd
Facetime>vc
Vc>pbp

[small heath]

Hi chat. My DM for my main campaign convinced me to buy Baldur's Gate 3 and created a lobby for the 2 of us to play in.

[coarse ravine]

Oh boy lol

[cerulean monolith]

Yes, that is a true statement. Perhaps unfortunately, it is not something that was said by the person I began this discussion with.

I really don’t appreciate people coming in here and joining a discussion for the sole purpose of saying the discussion is meaningless. Don’t participate I. The discussion; move channels or have another conversation. But the fact is, I called attention to a factually incorrect statement. No amount of shifting of goalposts is going to change that the original statement was incorrect. And no amount of claims of lack of meaning will change that misinformation should be called out.

[eager marsh]

hilariously topical

[small heath]

I actually kind of enjoy it, although navigating is torture because my mouse is broken and I'm too used to OSRS movement 😂

I'm so spoiled moving my camera with right click and being able to click on the mini map to move xD

[coarse ravine]

Are you new?

[small heath]

Today was the first 3 hours of ever playing BG3

[cerulean monolith]

The “New to D&D” tag seems to imply they are.

[small heath]

Regarding to d&d, I started the campaign I currently in a month ago, so does that still make me new if we had less than like, 7 actual sessions?

[eager marsh]

I didn't call it meaningless. I called it semantics after we disagreed because I don't think the distinction matters quite as strongly as you do. It's why I simply stopped trying to sway your opinion because I recognize when one side isn't going to budge here regularly. I would consider bg3 to be D&D in a different form teh same as I would another edition of the game. You don't and that's that.

[serene jolt]

No I hate when someone joins us and says "Well that's how it works on BG3." -_-

[coarse ravine]

Bg3 can help you understand what you can and cant do in combat. In terms of movement, actions, bonus etc. But like Sam is saying dont expect bg3 to dnd 100% same. There will be changeovers especially in party imagination and rp. However it is a good way to get a grasp of how the game is played in turn based mode.

[serene jolt]

Are we playing BG3? No? Then we use the dnd rules. 🤣

[rough basalt]

I think Solasta is closer

[small heath]

I instantly could tell the difference between BG3 and D&D, which my DM was nice enough to actually show me how it functions differently and what's similar.

[rough basalt]

Since BG3 has its own homebrew where as Solasta is more standard 5e

[cerulean monolith]

I think ‘newness’ is something that can only be defined by oneself. Do you feel confident in the mechanics of the game? Do you think advice aimed at newcomers would be the most helpful for you? That’s how you should define if you’re ‘new’, not an arbitrary amount of sessions.

[worldly rain]

Anyone wanna play a gestalt?

[small heath]

I'm honestly at the point of understanding the small specific mechanics. For example in my sorcerer, my current learning curve is optimizing the usage of concentration spells and metamagic.

[coarse ravine]

Yes you have a dm?

[small heath]

But I know how initiatives work, what I can and can't ask as a player to my DM, how to approach my DM when doing different checks, etc.

[cerulean monolith]

I think if you’re thinking about tactics rather than how your features work, you’re pretty experienced.

[naive cedar]

tbh I don’t think any video game can entirely replicate pen and paper dnd

[worldly rain]

No I don't have a dm

[unborn lotus]

Writing a book?

[burnt valley]

True

[eager marsh]

No there's actually modules that exist for playing the game solo

[cerulean monolith]

Solo D&D factually isn’t D&D because the rules explicitly require more than 2 people

[small heath]

Well thanks! I do pride myself on being a fast learner and I think it shows. My party even mentioned how much more confident I am in the recent sessions with my actions, and that I'm asking less clarifying questions.

[serene jolt]

Well yeah cuz it's a game of imagination. It's a bigger open world than any game can even dream of replicating.

[unborn lotus]

Only fan made though right?

[cerulean monolith]

But there are plenty of quite enjoyable solo systems

[burnt valley]

Why is Baldur's Gate limited to Lvl 12?

[coarse ravine]

You can have a party of 4 in bg3

[serene jolt]

But I believe the point earlier was BG3 is a great gateway into DnD as it has some of the basic rules and guidelines. It's not perfectly replicated but it's close ish.

[coarse ravine]

Cause level 7+ spells gonna break the game.

[cerulean monolith]

I know? Thanks for sharing?

[naive cedar]

I got into playing dnd in the first place from Neverwinter nights back in the day lol

[cerulean monolith]

Because the designers wanted the game to scale to that level and not further

[unborn lotus]

Arguably less D&D than Baulders Gate

[worldly rain]

Drunk on druid, would you be willing to dm for me and the others who would want to play gestalt.

[coarse ravine]

They said adding the spell "dispel magic" would have added another year in development for just that singular spell

[serene jolt]

I got into playing DnD because of my boyfriend. He brought me into his campaign and they were all really nice and taught me how to play.

[small heath]

Tbh, if I was a game developer, yeah I would do the same 😂

Make that a whole DLC lmao

[eager marsh]

homebrew is still D&D. Not sure about if any official solo mods exist, I dont play them

[coarse ravine]

No never done it and I would love to join as a player. But I dont have the capabilities to throw homebrew God's at yall

I like to run raw monsters not create Gods...

[unborn lotus]

Only to an extent. Homebrew that differs too far from D&D is the D20 system but it can easily stop being D&D

Like Pathfinder is not D&D

[worldly rain]

Damn.

[eager marsh]

Pathfinder isnt 'homebrew' thats a whole different game system

[worldly rain]

No one is ready to gestalt it would seem, and I come from another time.

[coarse ravine]

Level 20 is plenty enough

[cerulean monolith]

If you’re trying to organize a game, use #find-a-game

[unborn lotus]

Original pathfinder used the open source D20 system that was created for D&D and if you homebrewed D&D enough in the right direction you'd get to pathfinder.
Ship of Theseus stuff

[worldly rain]

I've hit the weekly limit on posting for find a game.

[small heath]

Wait, I'm getting new lore. This D20 system is different than D&D?

[coarse ravine]

I mean its just alot of dm work and sure I can throw a couple cr 30s at yall. But to make yall become the demi-gods yall would be at level 30... I mean lot of dming prep there

[knotty pasture]

The campaign/game itself is designed for level 12s, every campaign has a designated end level

Not a lot of official games that went on to level 20

[unborn lotus]

But I'd argue removing the social element from D&D immediately removes it entirely

That's a new ship with some of the same parts

[coarse ravine]

Pathfinder isn't social?

[cerulean monolith]

Yes it is??

[worldly rain]

We start at level 5 if anything to get it along faster because I want a straight into the action back to back to back daily games but I cant find enough dms to work that campaign improv style.

[unborn lotus]

Yeah D20 system is just roll a D20 and add modifiers (<- Hugely oversimplified) D20 and non D20 systems used to be the core differentiator between TTRPGs

[coarse ravine]

Ive never played it idk

[eager marsh]

Many other systems are D10 for example. or D6

[coarse ravine]

Heard it was super customizable tho

[potent siren]

pathfinder very much has social systems in it

[unborn lotus]

I'm talking about solo mods for D&D aren't D&D
Like no more than Baulders Gate is D&D

[eager marsh]

Pathfinder is basically the game you play when you find 5e to be 'too simple' by comparison.

[unborn lotus]

Add onto that that they aren't even from the publisher of D&D

[small heath]

Ahh.

[naive cedar]

is d20 generally considered the best system

[worldly rain]

Well I may as well fade from time.

[unborn lotus]

But D&D invented it

[eager marsh]

Subjective entirely. D20 systems are just the most well known

[naive cedar]

I know a lot of people like gurps

[unborn lotus]

Arguably along with TTRPGs in general though that's a whole frikin thing not worth getting into

[small heath]

So I talked with someone and they do ADnD. I assume that uses a different system other than d20, right?

[buoyant oar]

No, it's a d20 base system

[unborn lotus]

Not at all it's just one of the systems. It's definitely stood the test of time but there's no metric that could make it "the best" many ways to skin a cat

[naive cedar]

ADnD was just a more complex dnd

[small heath]

What does the "A" even mean?

[coarse ravine]

Oh well larian discord has people hourly looking to play together. I haven't played bg3 in about a month but it gets social over there. Just like any rpg game theres dialog and you can choose between them. But yeah in actual dnd the "dialog" is a actual person too. So the imagination can be infinite times more creative with a actual human dming.

[buoyant oar]

The a stands for advanced

[naive cedar]

advanced

[small heath]

ah.

[buoyant oar]

Particularly when it comes to Dungeons and Dragons, it's advanced Dungeons and Dragons first or second edition

[unborn lotus]

Nope, that's the D20 system.
Though the public D20 system a lot of early TTRPGs were based off I believe evolved more with 3rd edition? (Getting out of my depth here)

[small heath]

So a more complicated system, I'd imagine.

[naive cedar]

they dropped the advanced bit after a while because I think basic wasn’t that popular

[buoyant oar]

This is what is meant when people talk about 1 e or 2 e

[unborn lotus]

But I am aware there are a lot of D20 based games all the way back in the AD&D games
Many of them unauthorised plagiarism since you can't exactly copyright the idea of rolling a D20

[small heath]

I feel like this would be an interesting rabbit hole to research on

[empty thicket]

i liked lots of table games that had dices, dnd was one added that i liked more because you have a whole roleplay added it and lots of other stuff

[coarse ravine]

As recommended before #find-a-game is your friend

[unborn lotus]

Yeah Baulders Gate is not D&D for many reasons outside of social haha

I was just arguing the point that D&D has a solo mode - it does not

[buoyant oar]

Now when you see an old TT RPG book that has d20 system on it. That's typically going to be a game that's based upon the open gaming license from third Edition.

[empty thicket]

in the end of the day dnd can be resumed in, roleplay, gambling and maths

[buoyant oar]

Well, the D&D may not have a strict Solo mode. There is support for one player, one dungeon master.

[coarse ravine]

I consider exploration apart of rp so yeah pretty much

Social as well

[keen valve]

Coin flip systems are the best.

[unborn lotus]

Oh you have no idea lmao, the origins of TTRPGs and early D&D are absolutely wild

If you want a lovely short, super exciting but complete beginner overview, check out "what's a grognard" by Zee Bashew

[naive cedar]

there’s coin flip systems?

[keen valve]

No, I am lying for humorous effect.

[empty thicket]

i put the whole interactions in the roleplay
The gambling for the dices
The maths because you can manipulate some numbers in many ways

[naive cedar]

oh I’m dumb lol

[cerulean monolith]

There’s was 0D&D, which was the original books released by Gygax as a supplement for the Chainmail war game. Then there was AD&D 1e, Basic, and AD&D 2e. Then 3e, which was revised into 3.5e. There was also an open license for this edition, upon which many systems, including Pathfinder 1e were based. Then came 4e, then 5e, and finally the 2024 rules revisions for 5e.

[empty thicket]

yeah, many people use coinflips for stuff
In the principal campaign im in, we use coinflips for the death saves. 3 failed coins and you down.

[unborn lotus]

There definitely is haha I'm sure somebody has made a coin based TTRPG

It'd just be a small gimmick game like ten candles or the Jenga games

[woven flint]

We love gambling.

[cerulean monolith]

Sounds like a nice way to make things more deadly.

[naive cedar]

there’s a lot of fascinating history regarding ttrpgs in general tbh

[coarse ravine]

Yeah rp sums up everything dm wise and player wise creativity.
Gambling and math come after that. 3 principles would be accurate

[keen kestrel]

I'd say I don't, but I play mtg

[empty thicket]

like, in some pages you can roll a 1d2, so that would be a coinflip already

[keen kestrel]

so I have no leg to stand on here

[unborn lotus]

And now we're here in the 2024 era, D&D is finally perfect and needs no changes

[cerulean monolith]

Right…

[woven flint]

I'd say I don't but I just plain hate myself 😎 /Half-Joking

[empty thicket]

Yes, i will talk with him about "okey, with the coins flips you cant get a nat20 and get up instantly, can we make that if someone save 2 of 3, get back with at least 1/5 of hp?"

[buoyant oar]

There's also the 1995 revision to 2nd Edition advanced. And Dungeons& Dragons essentials that came out between 4th edition and 5th edition. Not to mention the many revisions and variants of the D&D basic set.

[keen kestrel]

It's ok, we all have a little self hatred (looks at winter orb)

[coarse ravine]

Well see with the d20 you are technically getting a 55% chance at death saves

[naive cedar]

0dnd was perfect. 3 races, 3 classes, 3 alignments 😤

[empty thicket]

yep, but a nat20 exist and get you up instantly

[cerulean monolith]

Well, that’s not the only party that’s more deadly. Regular Death Save mechanics have a 5% chance of 2 fails, 40% chance of 1 fail, 50% chance of 1 success, and 5% chance of being up with 1 hit point.

[small heath]

Let's go Gambling.
wild magic + coin flips

[naive cedar]

wait actually it was 4 races

[unborn lotus]

We're about to get into the most "Umm acktually" territory that can possibly exist

[keen kestrel]

I do like a little bit of gambling, but I'll be honest, wild magic sorcerer is like my least favorite

[buoyant oar]

The 1995 revision to second edition advanced is the closest thing to the most recent revision to 5th edition. Despite people harkening back to 3.5, that one was much more drastic.

[naive cedar]

I umm acktually’d myself

[small heath]

I wonder what a campaign comprised of only wild magic sorcerers would be like.

[empty thicket]

even if its 5%, there it is.
Going for coin flips make it more 50//50 but there is no 5% that instantly save you. That is why i will ask him that, if one get 2 saves from 3, directly, get back with 5% of hp lets say it

[cerulean monolith]

Ah, 0D&D, where a table was expected to have 1 DM and 20 players

[keen kestrel]

a whole lot of nonsense

[woven flint]

Everytime I look in the mirror, I see the man whovruined my life!

[coarse ravine]

5% that can also kill ya or 2 death fails at least with the d20

[unborn lotus]

I'm keen to go back to 3 alignments tbh.
You character can have a fleshed out personality, but just choose if you want to be good or you want to play at a different table to mine FFS.
None of this "chaotic neutral" (<- I'm secretly a supervillain villain but pretending I'm neutral)

[naive cedar]

You have to chose:
4 bards
4 wild magic sorcerers
4 paladins with completely different oaths and gods
4 chaotic neutral rogue orphans

[buoyant oar]

Throne of Bloodstone my 1e beloved. Suitable for players level 18-100

[woven flint]

4 Wild Magic Sorcerers.

[keen kestrel]

4 paladins obviously, at the end of the day at least they'll manage to accomplish something

[small heath]

What about "im secretly a villain against other villains so im seen as a hero but im really the main villain"

[woven flint]

Also, Paladins don't NEED Gods to make oaths lol

[unborn lotus]

Orphans or Bards

[cerulean monolith]

The closest 5e has gotten to 0D&D is when the Dragonlance book straight up said “for this fight, buy a board game.”

[naive cedar]

I know lol but the joke is funnier if they do

[keen kestrel]

tbh, a group of paladins can be like the power rangers lmao]

[coarse ravine]

I think a group of paladins that made a oath to eachother would be a good concept.

[empty thicket]

yep, but my point remain, i will ask him and if he like it good, if not, welp, we can talk it out. Fortunately im in hell right now so there is no way that 200 baboons show up out of nowhere or 20k skavens too

[buoyant oar]

Paladins That stress they don't need gods. Are the ones that need Gods the most. 😉

[keen kestrel]

wait, imagine a group of paladins who combine their oaths all into one epithet

[cerulean monolith]

Paladin polycule

[naive cedar]

I like how nobody has picked 4 bards

[small heath]

The DM intentionally sends them on a quest that forces them to interact with other gods throughout it

[coarse ravine]

Thats the band

[keen kestrel]

that's just AC/DC

[small heath]

4 warlocks but they all have different pacts and try to out perform each other.

[cerulean monolith]

Because the ‘haha freaky bards we all hate the bard at our table” is short-form slop that this server mostly hates

[coarse ravine]

The pacts being in lore rivals would be funny

[keen kestrel]

4 clerics, but they're all arguing about who has the best church

[empty thicket]

4 wild magic, the luck of all of them getting exploded by his own fireball would be giga funny and i would like to write that story

[naive cedar]

Tbh I’m not into the anti bard jokes either but I had to include it

[coarse ravine]

This is a great concept as well for political/religious reasons

[keen kestrel]

right?

[buoyant oar]

The objective answer on best church is Kelemvor. Of course.

[coarse ravine]

4 different parts of the map

[small heath]

My DM kinda doing that to my kobold. He has me as a sorcerer that reps a diety that all the other party members and their deities despise.

[cerulean monolith]

Remember the time WotC wrote that the protection deity sent his clerics to colonize the Aztecs? Fun times

[naive cedar]

Wait what?

[cerulean monolith]

Look up Maztica

[buoyant oar]

yea

[keen kestrel]

That's a weird way to spell Lathander

[naive cedar]

weird way to spell selune

[buoyant oar]

In helm's defense.... The Nexalans did perform human sacrifice like daily.

[keen kestrel]

well, we all know who shadowheart dislikes the most

[coarse ravine]

Weird way to say mother nature (idk dnd gods like that haha)

[buoyant oar]

Not even the other people of Maztica liked the Nexalans.

[naive cedar]

My selunite cleric banishing Shadowheart to camp jail the entire game:

[keen kestrel]

I can confidently say I just convert her every time, because nobody in this household likes shar

[woven flint]

Clearly the best Deity is Mask

[cerulean monolith]

I don’t know how I feel about starting a sentence with “in [the colonizer]’s defense” /lh

[coarse ravine]

||I sure did get Shadowheart in jail by accident in goblin area||

[buoyant oar]

Sune is objectively terrible. Because she is all of the good parts of love.

And all of the creepy parts of obsession stalking etc.

[naive cedar]

She only brought her out to convert her lol. We do not stan Shar in this household

[small heath]

My DM is funny and thought about only picking options that'll get Shadowheart to dislike us.

[keen kestrel]

Silvanus is the god of wild nature I think

if you're looking for someone to stan

[coarse ravine]

Oh well then that's my G

[woven flint]

You know...
I can't really see any of my Clerics converting people to their faith...

Maybe because they're based 😎

[naive cedar]

And Mylekki or however it’s spelled

[buoyant oar]

I didn't say you in cordell's defense. I said in helm's defense. But yeah. With Nexal is not a colonizer like painting of them. Nexal was objectively evil. To the point where their own gods came back and destroyed them.

[formal dove]

are the welcome to hellfire club adventures good?

[cerulean monolith]

Chauntea is closer to Mother Nature

[keen kestrel]

She's like specifically forests I think?

[woven flint]

Not even my Drow Trickery Cleric of Vhaeraun would do so smh

[naive cedar]

Normally I would agree but Shar is an exception

[cerulean monolith]

Chauntea is actually the strongest God in the FR, iirc

[keen kestrel]

She's more representative of demeter I think, like the goddess of agriculture

[woven flint]

Time to start making violently faithful Clerics, ig

[cerulean monolith]

I’d reckon Demeter is Demeter

[buoyant oar]

She is one of them and one of the most widely worshiped not that most people in the realms choose a god to follow. A person choosing a specific god is actually pretty rare.

[keen kestrel]

I mean, I was just drawing comparison lol, I thought her symbol was a bushel of grain

for as bad as shar is, mystra is also objectively awful

[buoyant oar]

Mystra is here just to have a good time.

[naive cedar]

Mystra is uh. Yikes

[cerulean monolith]

Chauntea and Mystra are the two deities who you absolutely do not want to anger, because they could most easily destroy you and anyone near you’s lives