dnd-discussion

[empty thicket]

oh, thought invisibility did it, nvm

[coarse ravine]

Its pass without trace infinite times.

Its a amazing item. Also the tree growth is rarely used but can be situationally very very useful

Also technically speaking.... it bypasses the casting time of awaken

[remote wadi]

Wait, if it can be a circle, could you surround 2 people in the thorns and have it be Ye Olde Cage Match?

[humble cairn]

No, if they are already in combat they cannot be Surprised. You can hide from them and be unseen and unexpected, but Surprise only applies basically when they roll Initiative and not afterwards.

[coarse ravine]

Im almost certain it bypasses awaken casting time.

[blissful ibex]

Should only require a Magic or Use Item action to activate the staff so would assume so

[coarse ravine]

Yeaj some spells get thrown out just based on casting time

Like tsunami for instance.

[blissful ibex]

TBF, the point of Tsunami is for seiges

[coarse ravine]

But this item allows you to cast a 8 hour casting spell. For a action

[blissful ibex]

You prep it when you're holding a keep and cast it as the opposing army approaches

Or like, overlooking a horde of monsters

It's not the sort of spell you prep without being real certain it's likely to be needed; but is incredbily important that it exists as an option

Earthquake is the same way, though it being an action helps it a bunch

[coarse ravine]

I don't think I've ever used reverse gravity

I have as a dm.. not a as a player tho

[empty thicket]

oh, then nvm.
WAIT A MINUTE
Modify memory, ambush them again

double ambush for the love of the game

[humble cairn]

Which would make it the start of a new combat, rather than the middle of combat.

[austere spindle]

Does someone have a campaign please. I really wanna play and actually learn the game

I use dnd beyond

[empty thicket]

Yep but would be so funny
All the team get bad initiative rolls
Modify memory the enemies, reset everything
Or just scare someone so much times until it get a heart attack

Again, for the love of the game

[livid owl]

look in #looking-for-players or #looking-for-community for games 😁
If you see one you like, drop the host a DM (the person @ed in the message by the bot) or use the thread attached to the advertisement

[empty thicket]

Ambush
steal stuff, modify memory
Ambush again until leaving only underwear

[austere spindle]

Gosh

[empty thicket]

Its so funnily devious

[austere spindle]

There's none going on

[loud tendon]

Hi there - we don't host games here but do provide spaces for groups to connect. #find-a-game gives you the instructions to use our channels and #looking-for-players if where you would go to see DMs posting about their game

[austere spindle]

Nvm

[jovial shadow]

Not unless the description says so, otherwise it is the spell's casting time. Per the DMG

[empty thicket]

Ngl, if i could bring to IRL an item
Alchemy jug
Chest of preserving
Orb of time just for cool points
Which you all would bring? from common to rare

[woven flint]

I'd bring the Sphere of Annihilation into real life :3

Annihilate trash and waste matter so we don't have an excuse as to why our beloved planet is so polluted

[umbral girder]

Yeah but inevitably the world is gonna starve more and more if you aren’t careful.

Since ideally matter is only converted, not destroyed

[woven flint]

Shhh, that's my secret plan /joking

[umbral girder]

Clearly we need the Book of Vile Darkness, nothing can go wrong! /jk

[potent siren]

Cloak of Billowing, enough said, I win

[empty thicket]

the thing is, lot of that trash can be recycled, so is literally throwing away stuff

[umbral girder]

Tbh assuming we can get around its requirements, a Staff of Healing would be nice. Problem is that’s only 10 at most a day

[woven flint]

Wrong!
Into the sphere of annihilation with you

[empty thicket]

Not again....

[woven flint]

(It's Secretly my device to get rid of people who question or cross me)

[umbral girder]

You missed

[untold sentinel]

is this a place to add any D&DBeyond bugs we find?

[umbral girder]

#ddb-feedback

[empty thicket]

na, he didnt, took me by surprise. Its okey, i will get out in some way

[green badge]

Is it crazy to have a character who is an Oath of the Open Sea Paladin multiclassing with Rogue? Lol

[eager marsh]

Multiclassing at all? Yea that’s pretty crazy alright. Open sea sounds homebrew tho

[loud tendon]

sounds like a pirate to me...🦜

[green badge]

It’s actually from Tal’dorei Reborn book. Look it up lol

[green badge]

EXACTLY! 😄

[eager marsh]

Multi-classing isn’t really necessary at all and generally isn’t recommended. ‘Pirate’ isn’t even a set archetype and generally is covered by roleplay.

[green badge]

I like the creativity of multiclassing

[eager marsh]

What creativity ?

Genuine question mind you that wasn’t Sass

[empty thicket]

same and more if its lore added
Martials getting other martial classes can be easily added to the story, its martials, training, etc. etc.
But magic classes add a whole new layer of possibilities.
Touch a magic stone or get some dragon heart replacing yours? Sorcerer
Do a deal with a deity and get power? warlock
Devotion or lending your will to a cause? cleric or paladin
etc. etc.

[green badge]

Lore, ability usages and spells and character development of multiclassing. As well as certain advantages in certain scenarios

[green badge]

This! THIS!

[eager marsh]

Lore and character development are free with just roleplaying and in some cases just taking a feat that allows you to dip features from something else

[knotty pasture]

Multiclassing is usually a lot less creative than it should be

[humble cairn]

All possible without actually needing to multiclass.

[empty thicket]

Still i get that some people dont want to do the whole lore thing or other many stuffs

[knotty pasture]

Because there's a ton of crappy builds with multiclassing, and the few hand picked good ones are restrictive

[odd sentinel]

Hey

[coarse ravine]

There's lots of creativity in multiclassing. Especially in 2014 idk about 2024

[empty thicket]

True, but wont cut off the path for it

[humble cairn]

Multiclassing really should be done for purely mechanical reasons. Flavor can be added regardless.

[empty thicket]

like changing multiclass in some moment of the story.
Its kinda happening to my paladin that, we might get him an oath back

[eager marsh]

Multiclassing isn’t inherently creative so I can’t call it that on either ruleset. Almost every narrative reason people multiclass can be handled by roleplay instead of messing with their effective level and build

[green badge]

All the matter of what spells and abilities you want to use on your character. To me that is fun

[coarse ravine]

Please describe to me how I can action surge as a spellcaster via rp

[eager marsh]

That’s not you dipping into martial training as a spellcaster that’s you wanting to specifically min max for one of the most powerful dip features in 2014

[coarse ravine]

^

[knotty pasture]

I dunno if its even more powerful that way, you're giving up a full spell level for it

Situationally nice but not a no brainer

[green badge]

I think multiclassing gives uniqueness to your character. Not all cookie cutter too plus gives more possibilities and options imo

[eager marsh]

Under 2014 rules it was the optimal full caster dip because you still got to cast two leveled spells on one turn

[coarse ravine]

Not entirely true. 2 levels fighter 18 level spellcaster ya still get 9th level spells at 17.

[eager marsh]

Also it gave you armor and shields as a wizard or sorcerer

[knotty pasture]

Yeah but once again the actual options aren't as wide as you hoped to be

[knotty pasture]

Good point, a shame campaigns don't always go to level 20 hence the cut off point actually matters

[humble cairn]

You're agreeing with me that you shouldn't multiclass for flavor?

[empty thicket]

welp... i think that making something "unique" or "original" at this point its too hard. I would always say, do what make you happier.
Can be something normal, like a the 2 most simple things, human fighter.
Or can be something epic and nice
The ideal is have fun and enjoy it for me

[eager marsh]

5e just isn’t quite as customizable as some of us would like in terms of character building. That’s more Pathfinders strength

[green badge]

Perhaps but the way you build your character throughout the campaign is what makes it fun

[coarse ravine]

Star druid 2 levels is a fantastic dip. Never worry about concentration saves again

[knotty pasture]

Not when you're griefing your team as a result

You can't look at anyone with a straight face and claim that having level 1 in every class by level 13 is a good idea

[eager marsh]

Puffin forest says hello

[green badge]

I mean a Fighter with some Druid spells, that sounds like a cool idea

[eager marsh]

You mean a Ranger /j

[knotty pasture]

Druid spells use wisdom modifier, you'd have to stack wisdom which Fighter doesn't really care for that much

[coarse ravine]

Yes it is

[green badge]

Depends on the build

[eager marsh]

But no really that’s literally Ranger they overlap most of their spells with Druid themes

[knotty pasture]

Goes back to this

[green badge]

Just saying instead of just sticking with just one thing experiment to see what develops.

[eager marsh]

Also Magic Initiate (Druid) exists

[knotty pasture]

Builds are kind of tested and true by now with multiclassing

[fair summit]

Multiclassing for flavor just doesn't sound like a great idea. I had a Fighter player who from roleplay with the divine sorcerer in the party was starting to "find god" and asked if he could multiclass into a paladin to reflect that. I said Id allow it, but he needed to follow the multiclassing rules, and let me just say the conversation trying to make that work was long and difficult, for very little benefit, that he could just get from continuing the roleplay

Heck as a DM, I'd rather give a player some fun boon or simple ability to reflect their roleplay, rather than have them start multiclassing just for flavor

[coarse ravine]

Ive action surged heal twice before.... saved a teammate in a epic fight

[green badge]

Heck a Paladin with some rogue abilities and bonuses makes that character more charismatic which can be helpful

[knotty pasture]

There's a bunch of no-nos and a few "yes"es that are kind of restricted

[empty thicket]

jejejeje
Warlock//cleric
Both deities want your support and give you stuff in exchange and you use both at the same way, without choosing one or another.
Or just 2 deities that compete withe each other always

[knotty pasture]

Okay so multiclassing has minimum stat requirements

You would need to spread out 4 stats, that's way too much

[coarse ravine]

Nah dex 14 is almost standard. That allows you into fighter school

[knotty pasture]

Referring to Paladin Rogue

You need 13 str 13 dex 13 cha, don't forget con

[coarse ravine]

Oh yeah paladin and monk would prolly be the hardest concept for stat array

[knotty pasture]

This is what I mean by don't grief your team

[green badge]

So what would be the point of multiclassing since it is considered pointless?

[eager marsh]

You also have like zero synergy there both monk and paladin strongly reward mono classing

[fair summit]

Some very specific mechanical benefits or class synergy, that's about it

[knotty pasture]

Its not pointless, its just that builds are kind of fixed and its strictly done to make your build better mechanically

[coarse ravine]

I mean with items the unarmed strikes can be weapon attacks

[eager marsh]

I find multoclassing for specific combinations Can be fun when playing one shots at set levels

[coarse ravine]

Like insignia of claws.

[knotty pasture]

You can't just slap two random classes together and expect it to be nice

[green badge]

Well yeah has to make sense on the character themselves

[eager marsh]

That doesn’t turn your punches into weapon attacks nor does it change that staying full monk is better for all their feature progression scaling

[fair summit]

Most of the time people see multiclassing as "Yay I get to play TWO classes", and wanna do that just for the sake of multiclassing, without understanding the potential opportunity cost or nerfs to themselves. You're basically exchanging your higher level features from one class for lower level ones from the other, so the features need some synergy or use to be worth the multiclass

[empty thicket]

Fighter get 1 more ASI than other classes, so spend 2 points into it for an invest is an option

Barbarian and fighter need the same stat requirement
Bard and warlcok and sorc same
Ranger and rogue too
Wizard and artificer

[coarse ravine]

Full pally is better i agree

[eager marsh]

Fighter gets 2 asi more than other classes actually

[knotty pasture]

I dunno Paladin does fall off after level 7-9 approximately

[humble cairn]

It's not pointless at all, but it is a purely mechanical thing. You want to multiclass to synergize different features in ways that the original classes do not. Then you add whatever flavor you want on top of that.

[eager marsh]

Under 2014 I’d agree but under 2024 rules (better rules) that’s less true

[knotty pasture]

Paladin is one of those classes that does want to multiclass mechanically

[eager marsh]

Not really no

[empty thicket]

last time i counted, 1 more
4, 6, 8, 12, 16, 19
While others dont get the lvl 6 ASI

[green badge]

That’s exactly my point which is why I think it is fun

[umbral girder]

It’s two more

[coarse ravine]

I mean level 10 flavorfully party being not scared of anything just by you being around is pretty cool thematically

[knotty pasture]

The main appeal is the aura anyways, rest is w/e and you can go Sorc or Warlock to be good at all ranges

[umbral girder]

Rogue gets 1 more but Fighter gets 2 more

[eager marsh]

Level 14

[green badge]

I mean an Oath of the Open Sea Paladin with some rogue traits to be a more efficient sea faring adventurer. That’s what I am striving towards

[knotty pasture]

Don't, you don't need Rogue

[eager marsh]

Which ones. You could just have taken proficiencies in relevant skills

[empty thicket]

id be damned, yeah, 2 more. My bad
But yeah, more points to what i am saying to invest points

[humble cairn]

Hmm, okay that wasn't super clear from what you were saying before.

[knotty pasture]

Go Bard or something and sing sea shanties

[lyric idol]

If you wanted rogue traits take Bard

[empty thicket]

or feats to get you effects//skills that make you be more effective

[lyric idol]

Expertise? ✅️

Spell casting? ✅️

Bard? ✅️

[coarse ravine]

Yeah like for open sea. Maybe taking fighter for blindsight would be a great idea

So you can utilize that fog clo7d after the channel divinity goes

[humble cairn]

For the fog thing? Because the ability itself lets you see through it.

[knotty pasture]

Why not go Warlock? You get Devil's Sight

[coarse ravine]

Cant see through fog cloud

Gotta have blindsight.

[eager marsh]

Not even True sight gets through fog cloud it’s hilarious

[knotty pasture]

Oh huh Devil's Sight doesn't ignore Fog Cloud

[coarse ravine]

Not even truesighg can see through fog cloud

[empty thicket]

a lot of feats are good for fighter, savage attacker, lucky so you get better chances at saves to charm, fright, etc.
tough so you get lots of hp to handle some high lvl spells like PWK

[eager marsh]

Keep in mind that the rest of your entire party also can’t see through fog cloud

[coarse ravine]

Its fog in your face it's not a illusion..you cant see anything.

[lyric idol]

Cloud of daggers or evocation wizard do not fear what they cant see.

[humble cairn]

The Open Sea fog ability lets you see through your own fog.

[knotty pasture]

Devil's Sight doesn't affect illusions iirc, just darkness and magical darkness

[coarse ravine]

Yes but for a ability like they have for fog cloud. Once ir runs out you are wandering around all day not able to use it again. Having blindsight will allow you to cast it again via spell and have some rp and mechanical benefit there

[eager marsh]

Evoker needs to see targets to exclude them from the aoe

[humble cairn]

Open Sea Paladin doesn't have access to the Fog Cloud spell.

[empty thicket]

The barbarian picking up the Fighter shield and start fanning the fog out of the place

The one hiding on it:

[eager marsh]

I don’t understand what you’re saying here. I just said that the party besides you can’t see through it either

[green badge]

No last time I checked Open Sea Paladins are more focused on water based and even calling the captains of legend

[coarse ravine]

Well thats just poor writing lol

[green badge]

Conjure water can be useful

[knotty pasture]

It is homebrew after all

[green badge]

Least you won’t have to worry about dehydration lol

[lyric idol]

Alright then Sorcerers with Safe spell don't fear what they can't see.

[humble cairn]

Yeah it's not an official subclass. They do get their CD back on SR and if you use the 2024 Paladin chassis, they get more of them.

[green badge]

Yeah

[coarse ravine]

Ive played oath of sea paladin. After you use that channel divinity it loses alot of flavor. If they had access to fog cloud while having blindsight its a good concept

[empty thicket]

Putting some water in the socks of my enemies shoes in an act of pure hate

[green badge]

Might make my character an Open Sea Paladin with a Bard for shenanigans lol

[humble cairn]

That's a lot of things to require .. you need the fighting style and another Feat to access Fog Cloud.

[green badge]

Basically if Scanlan became a pirate lol

[empty thicket]

It doesnt do any damage, it doesnt do nothing important but i know that i ruined 5 minutes or the whole day of that creatura

[eager marsh]

Fog cloud with blindsight doesn’t help your party see through it still which was my point that you are ignoring. I didn’t say blindsight doesn’t work. I said the cloud will block ally line of sight

[coarse ravine]

Warlocks cast darkness all the time while fing the party over

[humble cairn]

Yeah, it's kinda rude to your party.

[empty thicket]

the water thing?

[eager marsh]

That happens infinitely less often than reddit would have you believe and that also doesn’t make it good when they do

[humble cairn]

Not if they're smart about it. I suggest casting it on a small, enclosable object like a stone inside a locket. A coin held between the teeth will do, in a pinch. Close your lips and the darkness goes away, smile … and the Darkness leaks out to cover you.

[green badge]

Darkness and Conjure Water…

[humble cairn]

Fog Cloud

[coarse ravine]

Yeah but can be a last resort and now enemy is stuck blind in a fog filled paladin aura

[lyric idol]

Also...its the sea. If you're fighting on a boat...DM rolls to see if a gust of wind blows your fog away.

[green badge]

Darkness + Conjure Water = Deep Abyss lol

[eager marsh]

That’s even less incentive to use fog cloud if it’s a largely ocean bound game or even coastal. Coastal winds are permanent

[empty thicket]

oh, welp, can always freeze, fan it, charge fully into it, etc. etc..

[knotty pasture]

Or just use Maelstrom

[lyric idol]

If ya want something piratey just go artillerist artificer. Who doesn't love summoning their own personal cannon?

[knotty pasture]

There's your deep abyss

[empty thicket]

for being fog and water i guess that some electric spells would be more effective if the dm let it be

[coarse ravine]

Isn't that a druid only?

[knotty pasture]

Yeah

[green badge]

Hmmmm women love cannons

[knotty pasture]

Play Land Druid for your deep abyss fantasies in the sea

[lyric idol]

Its true. Women do love cannons.

[green badge]

An Open Sea Paladin with a cannon they can use anywhere…

[humble cairn]

Pretty sure people of all genders love cannons.

[green badge]

“PARRY THIS YE SCURVY CASUAL!”

[knotty pasture]

Also since we were talking about Paladin, Open Sea Paladin + Fathomless Warlock?

Get your patron to guide you

[green badge]

That’s basically Fjord from the Mighty Nein

I actually got inspired by him

[lyric idol]

Is Paladin a musthave? Because if not I'd just lean elsewhere. Ngl a pirate campaign as a cartographer does sound fun.

[green badge]

Been thinking of doing something that

[knotty pasture]

Paladins is plenty nice for a sea campaign tbh

Ancients or Open Sea works

[green badge]

A seafaring pirate campaign, explore different islands to find treasures connected to something

[coarse ravine]

Aincients is my favorite

[lyric idol]

So many character ideas for a pirate campaign. Touched a dead mans booty, got cursed, became a shadow sorcerer sailor.

[green badge]

Ancient and Open Sea are both my faves

[unborn lotus]

This discord is enormous... how have I only just discovered this

[lavish flame]

why are you touching dead guy booties

[green badge]

Oooor! Seeking keys to an ancient treasure or a lost sunken city

[humble cairn]

We listen and do not judge ..

[odd sentinel]

idk

[hidden spindle]

You could pick up the tool proficiency

[humble cairn]

Pretty sure they meant Cartographer Artificer.

[green badge]

Open Sea Paladin with Artificer…

Basically a one man pirate crew

[unborn lotus]

I have so many years of questions and discussions when I needed to be here 😱
Oh well I've made it now at least

[humble cairn]

As teammates, it's great. As multiclass it's really not.

[odd sentinel]

yep

[green badge]

Hm might have a point

[odd sentinel]

ur lucky u have experience, im just hearing about this cuz my school

[green badge]

Honestly, I just wanna mess stuff up lol

[warm bobcat]

Hi

[lyric idol]

Cartographer seeking Atlantis? A bladesinger wizard who seeks to find the sunken boat of their father and the treasure within it? A wild magic sorcerer who enjoys being a pirate and causing chaos across the 7 seas?

[humble cairn]

Like your own build?

[odd sentinel]

hi

[green badge]

Sounds like an epic start to an adventure

[green badge]

-.-

[warm bobcat]

wish I had friends to campaign with, but I’m too new smh 😭

[wary basin]

all ages

all of them

[humble cairn]

Might want to edit this, sharing your exact age is against server rules. It's for user safety.

[lyric idol]

I am quickly discovering I need to find a pirate themed campaign.

[green badge]

Honestly same

[humble cairn]

I played in one a long time ago! It was super fun. We got to name our ship and I picked the name "The Omen of Storms."

[unborn lotus]

Thanks for the heads up, my bad. I gotta give the rules a better read

[warm bobcat]

sounds fun

[lyric idol]

That sounds so fun.

[warm bobcat]

I also played in one a long time ago, it’s a fun campaign too play with friends

[humble cairn]

I played a thief who was really talented at stealing, but also quite stupid.

[lyric idol]

Smarts are for people who get discovered smh.

[unborn lotus]

I'd assume so since D&D is so massive... but you never know, I've joined some discords I've had to nope out of in like 10 minutes because I realised it was not at all for me 😝

[humble cairn]

This server is the official one run by Wizards of the Coast.

As such it is pretty heavily moderated for everyone's safety.

Which I actually appreciate.

[green badge]

I might switch my character’s second class from rogue to bard. Open Sea Paladin + Bard make a great Sea Captain idea

[unborn lotus]

Oh for sure, absolutely necessary in a space like TTRPG

[humble cairn]

I don't have to worry a lot about people coming in here and being really gross, because the mods take care of it pretty quickly. Love the mod team.

[humble cairn]

I once rolled really really well to infiltrate an enemy base and steal an important thing ... only to realize that I had jumped the gun a whole day early. It was me the player being stupid, but the DM let it happen because the character was also stupid. I got ... much worse rolls sneaking back in to replace the object.

[coarse ravine]

That or order cleric definitely

[wary basin]

i can hear the dm snickering in their head while all of that happened

[humble cairn]

I'm pretty sure the DM shushed another player who was trying to tell me not to do it.

[wary basin]

something tells me that group was a fun one

[humble cairn]

Oh hilarious!

[unborn lotus]

How often do folks here join games online?

[humble cairn]

A weird Sea Witch, a rigidly principled monk who got caught up with this ragtag crew, a ranger with her pet shark, and me who was basically the seagull who says, "Mine!?"

[rough basalt]

Daily

[unborn lotus]

you specifically?

If I made a post for "I'm keen to roll dice asap, I'd like to run a one shot, can players come with characters stated and play for 3 hours", do you reckon I'd get anyone? Or does it generally take a couple of days to get a game going.

(obviously my post would have more detail about type of player and type of characters needed etc.)

[rough basalt]

Nah the collective

[unborn lotus]

checks out haha

[rough basalt]

You'd probably get some hits

[cerulean monolith]

It depends on how picky you are with your players. I have an interview process for my games, and as such the vast majority of interest peoples wash out. I try to make my posts at least a week in advance when I can, and for typical games I can get 3 good, up-to-my-standards players in about four hours. Shorter if it’s a one shot.

[green badge]

If I was an Open Sea Paladin in real life. I would use create water to save on the water bill. Lol

[inner spindle]

qution how do you request looking for a game ?

[livid owl]

make an ad in #looking-for-dm

the #find-a-game channel tells you how to use the looking for dm channel

[inner spindle]

ohhh okie thank you very much

[rapid anchor]

Is that thing still on the discord where you gain access to dnd beyond stuff?

[glass granite]

I don’t think so, I haven’t seen anything to receive paid content for free

[rapid anchor]

They used to have a thing that gave you access to everything on dnd beyond

[glass granite]

Just for being on this discord? You sure?

[rapid anchor]

Yeah

[glass granite]

Consider me skeptical

[rapid anchor]

Oh. Wrong discord channel. Lmao nvm

[knotty pasture]

No idea about before but it def isn't now

[rapid anchor]

I'm on the wrong server lol

Its in a different server. My bad

[knotty pasture]

Can I reflavor humanoids into literal different creature types like monstrosities

[marble lion]

You can reflavour anything

Well

You would have to change their creature type but thats all

Then again you could reflavour humanoid as a unique case of monstrosity etc who for some reason shares all interactions with humanoids

"For some reason, hold person works on this thing"

[knotty pasture]

That's fine, I don't think there's any unique perks to monstrosities or even aberrations compared to humanoids right

[marble lion]

Creature type matters for some spells

Ranger features, hold person, detection spells

Paladin sense etc
But in most gameplay creature type is nonexistant

[obtuse oar]

Mhm. Hence why the playable gnome constructs have specific wording for what healing magic works on them last I recall.

[knotty pasture]

Oh right those

[scenic zinc]

Well... '24 healing removed the verbiage of not working on constructs or undead

So that's just extra words on those older species now.

[obtuse oar]

Did it? I haven't had the opportunity to play much with the 2024 rules, most of the westmarches I've seen stick to the 2014 ruleset thanks to how many more subclass options folks have with that ruleset compared to the new ATM

[hot gate]

Yup

[unborn lotus]

If anybody has a level 1 character lying around and is keen to start rolling dice in the next couple hours, hit me up!
https://discord.com/channels/516367331358801950/1457652542245834855

[hot gate]

Given that you can slap all 2014 subclasses on 2024 base classes, I think it's probably rather because switching has some administrative cost.

[obtuse oar]

Whatever the case, just a trend I've noticed

[hot gate]

Yeah, fair enough and it also makes sense. Westmarches have quite a bit of momentum, so switching the underlying system is a bigger hurdle than your average home game.

[rough basalt]

It'd probably be difficult to switch a west march

Especially since 2024 is a noticeable power jump

Monk, Barb and Sorc going super saiyan

Feat variety and power increase somewhat

[hot gate]

Yup. I'd probably do a restart if I were to switch.

[coarse ravine]

Which could kill a server

Chance of doing... may not happen but always a chance

[rough basalt]

Ye that too.
Some people don't like change

I doubt it'd fully kill a west march depending on the size tho.

[hot gate]

I'm not into westmarches much, but I assume they don't do restarts in general? You just let it run until people get tired of it?

[coarse ravine]

Ive seen some amazing ones die off a few changes.

[rough basalt]

Huh. Well I'm like deva idk much about how west marches work out.

[glass granite]

Same with me

[coarse ravine]

Yeah campaigns are definitely more intimate with storyline and character development.

[hot gate]

Mhm. The only "westmarch" type server I was in started developing problems when some characters got too powerful (various reasons) and a restart actually seemed a good option to reign that stuff in.

[rough basalt]

I'll forever be glad for the 2024 update tho.
It really rejuvenated my interest in the hobby.

[coarse ravine]

Westmarches can be good for beginners and just people wanting to play. My only level 20s came off of westmarches.. however my most memorable moments were in campaign

[rough basalt]

I've joined them but never actually participated

I always got confused by bots and sorts of stuff

[obtuse oar]

I do like the flavor for that feature, I will say. Makes me tempted to play a sorcerer.

[rough basalt]

Well I meant metaphorically cause all 3 got megabuffed but yeah Innate Sorcery is a very fun feature

[obtuse oar]

I haven't looked at the monk much. Last monk I played was a few years ago, but she was quite fun

[rough basalt]

They got a lot of buffs

Their martial arts got buffed, flurry of blows got buffed, their bonus action movement options got buffed, they can use Dex for grappling so that's a buff.

[coarse ravine]

Rey mysterio style grappling

[karmic heath]

How would yall make the Coded Sword from Elden Ring?

[coarse ravine]

What's it do?

[rough basalt]

They also gave you an ability to get all your Focus points back when rolling initiative at level 2

Once per LR

[hot gate]

That seems like a #homebrew question? Since it deals holy damage, you could probably get away with a holy avenger reflavor though.

[rough basalt]

Deflect Missiles got megabuffed

[coarse ravine]

Well isn't there that paladin only weapon?

Holy avenger?

[rough basalt]

It now works on melee attack rolls and eventually on spell attack rolls
Level 6 let's you do Force damage since they removed non-magical BPS.

[hot gate]

it's a paladin only weapon, yep

[karmic heath]

Well it’s like an only Holly damage based weapon….so I guess only radiant rather than slashing?
Then for ability I guess?
Once per day cone effect?
1d6?

[coarse ravine]

Holy Avenger would be your answer

[karmic heath]

Thank you

[rough basalt]

There's also the Sunblade

For a weapon that only does radiant

[karmic heath]

I saw that item too
Definitely looks cool
Was trying to make it uhh weaker?

Thank you all.

[coarse ravine]

Yeah sunblade is more appropriate. Holy avenger will 90% most likely not be obtainable.

95% prolly always that 1/20 dm tjat let's ya get legendary early

[dapper cloud]

The ability sounds like a Radiant-themed Thunderwave.

[coarse ravine]

Light cleric maybe

They have a aura blast that deals radiant damage

[karmic heath]

Yeah the weapon in game has like a wide sweep/slashing ability….so I wanted to somehow add that in there

[coarse ravine]

#homebrew idk bud

[karmic heath]

Nah all good

Appreciate ya

[coarse ravine]

Or #optimization

[tawdry sentinel]

The dragon hoard weapons in fizzbans have breath attacks at their higher levels, and also a small AOE on a crit.

Making them radiant instead of elemental is a slight buff.

[obtuse oar]

Oh, sounds like that one feature from the...four element subclass, iirc?

[grave patio]

immovable rod that takes off at 1000 mph because it stops moving relative to the earth

[obtuse oar]

In theory they could be any element that a dragon has, right?

[hot gate]

Any damage type that their breath weapon can do anyway, yeah. And there are radiant damage breath weapons, like from solar dragons.

[tawdry sentinel]

That is pretty much exactly how it works yep.

You find/ upgrade it in a white dragons hoard it's cold, red fire, so on and so forth.

Fun items, big fan

[worn lagoon]

one of my players wants to play the sorcerer subclass i homebrewed \o/

[obtuse oar]

Big fan of dragon stuff in general here. Do like the lore attached to those items too. Potion bottle that refills is just useful in general

[lyric idol]

Clerics are the worst magic caster :3

[obtuse oar]

I wouldn't say the worst, but I would agree that they tend to stick with their theme pretty well, and outside of that may not have as many tools as other spellcasters.

[severe rampart]

I will defend clerics with my life

[lyric idol]

Truly the worst 🙏

[outer lily]

clerics are pretty meh in my opinion

[lyric idol]

A class without fireball isnt a class.

[severe rampart]

It's a great supporting role and crucial (imo)

[umbral wadi]

hello everyone whats going on

[severe rampart]

So half the classes arent classes

[exotic sinew]

A bard and Druid can do roughly the same thing as a cleric in certain situations

And a paladin of just a cleric who hit the gym ahaha 🤣

[dapper cloud]

I enjoyed what I played of Cleric before he got eaten by dire wolves.

[umbral wadi]

are you talking about any game

[dapper cloud]

The one game where I played Cleric, yeah.

[umbral wadi]

which game

can you please tell me i also likes to play games

[lyric viper]

Being the D&D Discord, one could assume he is talking about his D&D game 😉

Also reminder that you don't need to ping reply when responding immediately to a message above you. The user hasn't gone anywhere, they'll see the message.

[worn lagoon]

light cleric?

granted, that's like, the coolest cleric

i love flashbang cleric

druid has the most boring spell list out of any full caster imo

[marble lion]

Thats true but the same time, since they are looking at the screen already, pinging will do absolutely nothing to inconvenience either

So not manually disabling the ping is inconsequential but saves the annoyance of having to check the button everytime

[lyric viper]

I still wish Discord would add in a feature to set ping replies to automatically off, rather than on

But- moving back to D&D

[marble lion]

Yes that would be good

[obtuse oar]

Light cleric

[obtuse oar]

Okay but, I feel like druid makes up for it by letting you transform into cool beasts you encounter. Is it limited, yes, but boy if it ain't fun

[worn lagoon]

i'd not dog on wild shape yeah

though i still really don't look forward to any spell on it except spike growth

[marble lion]

Isnt it just cleric but with nature extras, missing a few cleric spells maybe?

Im reading through it and it has all the cleric spells i ever used myself

Plus tons of nature stuff clerics dont get

[worn lagoon]

it's missing a lot of cleric spells, they basically have a few healy ones in common

[marble lion]

Im only up to level 3

[worn lagoon]

yeah but the missing ones are the ones i consider fun cleric spells

[marble lion]

Examples?

[worn lagoon]

like spirit beyblades

[marble lion]

Druid has every spell ive ever used on cleric

Spirit guardians i guess but i am so tired of that one being used by everyone

[worn lagoon]

you also get reincarnate instead of a normal revivify

[marble lion]

At 3rd level?

[worn lagoon]

i don't remember, but druid only gets reincarnate and true resurrection for reviving spells afaik

[marble lion]

You also get revivify

Spirit guardians is the only spell i see missing

And considering having wildshape i think its fair

[worn lagoon]

wait huh since when

[marble lion]

Honestly there might be a few cleric spells missing but i wouldnt say its a boring spell list

[worn lagoon]

animate dead, flame strike etc are all pretty cool

[marble lion]

Ice storm, cure wounds, revives galore, beast spells, summon elemental, thorn whip, flaming sphere, barkskin etc, darkvision

[obtuse oar]

I like me a good call lightning, I won't lie

[teal cloud]

Where do I find a campaign? im bored rn and im new to dnd.

[obtuse oar]

Though tempest clerics do use it better every once in awhile thanks to that channel divinity

[marble lion]

It has like everything
Evocation, healing, transmutation

[worn lagoon]

it's mainly cool because you can recast it after transforming, right?

[obtuse oar]

I believeeee so? Unless new wolf shape cancels concentration on a spell

[marble lion]

Flame strike is gone sure, but there are other flame spells anyway, i wouldnt say thats enough to call it a bad list

Honestly the difference seems minor

[worn lagoon]

comparatively speaking i cannot name another full caster list i find less interesting is all

[marble lion]

Because theyre all interesting

[worn lagoon]

eeeeeeeehhhh

[marble lion]

Honestly read through it. I thought druid would be boring but never read it

Now that i did, this seems really dumb

[worn lagoon]

they just have far fewer spells i remember in particular than the arcane caster spell lists

wisdom casters have a few cool spells i would want to have no matter what and the rest can be whatever, while wiz/sorc give me atrocious decision paralysis no matter what

[marble lion]

I actually found some more cleric only stuff now

Bless shieldoffaith aid

[worn lagoon]

and between cleric and druid, the cleric-only ones are cooler to me

[marble lion]

Its not as similar as i thought

[worn lagoon]

clerics also get spell expansions through their domains, so they have even more variety going for them

[marble lion]

Do druids not get subclass spells?

[worn lagoon]

as far as i remember, only certain subclasses

circle of stars for example gets nothing

land gets circle spells, i think spores gets animate dead and one more thing

ah nvm spores does get as many as a land druid

[tawdry sentinel]

I think moon has spells in 2024 but it's all druid stuff.

And sea also gets all the cold and water themed things but I'm not sure how many of those are also druid spells.

[worn lagoon]

more druid subclasses have circle spells than i thought

but yeah, some don't

[tawdry sentinel]

I just find basically their entire spell list being concentration mildly annoying.

It feels more convenient when I've had bards or clerics in a game where they drop the big control spell out, and then the little one turn control spells that aren't concentration come out.

I'm sure druids probably also have a way of doing that, but I've no interest in playing one, and the only one I've dmd for was basically a dual wield ranger that was using the sea circle wild shape to knock things around before blending them.

[hot gate]

Knocking things around before blending them is what Cook's Utensils proficiency is for!
-# /s

[ebon glen]

Hey guys, new here to the server, been playing for a couple years now just wanna know the best ways/places to find a party, my last 2 campaigns fell through due to scheduling so haven’t played in a while, really looking for a party that embraces rp in and out of combat and I wanna learn more as a player! Any ideas?

[marble lion]

This place has channels for finding games but its a lot of hit or miss ofc since its strangers

[reef tundra]

Is it just me or is circle of death… painfully low average for a level 6 spell?

[lyric idol]

Cloudkill is better and its a lvl 5 spell.

[reef tundra]

I thought that too

[eager marsh]

Most spells after level3 don’t have very notable damage scaling (because fireball was already above the curve) but the aoe covered by Circle of Death is absolutely massive.

Also Cloudkill uses the single most resisted/immune damage type in the game

[reef tundra]

Hmmm, maybe that can make up for it

[marble lion]

500gp as well...

[reef tundra]

Great point

[marble lion]

500gp for 8d6?

[lyric idol]

Still worth it.

[reef tundra]

I don’t think so

[marble lion]

500 gold for that?

[reef tundra]

Like, three entire creature types are immune to it

[marble lion]

That is not worth 500 gold pieces

[reef tundra]

Now that’s a good point too

Looks like it’s staying in painfully low average for me

[marble lion]

What is going on that noone mentions that ridiculous cost

For 8d6, halveable

120ft diameter is nice but still

[eager marsh]

Keep in mind both spells are aoe spells using con saves which are also numerically the best save in monster stat blocks on average

[hot gate]

It's a one time hurdle

[eager marsh]

I wouldnt recommend taking either spell in general honestly

[reef tundra]

And necrotic damage too

[marble lion]

Cloudkill is amazing

[lyric idol]

Being honest, if I need damage, I upcast lightning, fireball, or Cloud of Daggers, especially in 2024 where I can move CoD around.

[marble lion]

Against armies

So is this, but it costs 500

[eager marsh]

Players don’t fight armies 999 times out of 1000 so thats not really a point in the spells favor

[hidden spindle]

It's not consumed 500gp

[hot gate]

CoD has a ridiculous aoe and yeah, the above

[umbral wadi]

hello everyone how are you all doing

[marble lion]

Really?

[lyric idol]

I tend to fight humans a lot in my campaigns. Cloudkill decimates them.

[reef tundra]

I have created chaos

[eager marsh]

CoD is also nearly guaranteed to blast your own party

[marble lion]

It says a crushed pearl 500gp. That reads like consumed to me but i guess not then

[hidden spindle]

Absolutely

[hot gate]

It doesn't say it consumes the components

[marble lion]

Huh.... i always thought gp means consumed

[hot gate]

It never did

[marble lion]

Good to know

[lyric idol]

Safe spell metamagic exists.

[eager marsh]

Not everyone plays sorcerer and that doesn’t make a fair argument for the base spell to be considered decent suddenly

[marble lion]

Ok nvm circle of death is fine

[umbral wadi]

what are you all talking about

[reef tundra]

Just how good a spell is

[lyric idol]

Its a level 2 spell. You can move it around. Is its AoE small? Yes. But it deals good damage. Move it to where itll hit the most creatures.

[eager marsh]

COD is circle of death

[umbral wadi]

oh my mistake

[lyric idol]

Ah I've been meaning Cloud of Daggers this entire time lmao.

[reef tundra]

Hey you didn’t make a mistake

[eager marsh]

Cloudkill is also not a lv2 spell

Ah

[umbral wadi]

spelling mistake

[eager marsh]

Those are unforgivable on the internet

[reef tundra]

I didn’t notice it. We’re talking about how good a certain magic spell is in dnd

[hot gate]

Reminds me of this big argument we had yesterday in #character-discussion about Uncanny Dodge when the query had been about Evasion the whole time haha. Not to worry, it happens all the time. Silly word game.

[lyric idol]

Sorry I dont use Circle of death enough. CoD = Cloud of daggers 😅

[umbral wadi]

how is your day going

[eager marsh]

Well I was shorthanding it after the conversation full named the spell several times

[reef tundra]

Going well

[umbral wadi]

thats great

[marble lion]

Cod was used first here, referring to daggers

Thats why

[lyric idol]

Oops oh well.

[marble lion]

Its your fault we are all fighting murray

I cant stay mad at clippy though

[hidden spindle]

-# Hmm... Cloud of Daggers doesn't qualify for MM:Careful Spell... Circle of Death does

[reef jay]

Frozen flame build half fire half cold it's awesome

[sick lodge]

Hi hi

[silk hare]

Is dnd beyond down for anyone else ?

Nvm it was a specific module only?

[minor cargo]

A fair number do - but probably the easiest place to talk about it is in #dnd-elder-editions !

[worn lagoon]

i have the boss that'll surprise my party outside the boundaries of the map and now next to the player tokens it looks like "awesome lizard gays" + "evil and intimidating horse"

[severe rampart]

I should stop checking the chat before our campaign 😭

[worn lagoon]

that gives you 0 spoilers dw

there are no horses involved, and, shockingly, campaigns have bosses

[minor cargo]

Awesome Lizard Gays sounds like some peak D&D tbqh.

[worn lagoon]

the entire party was draconic before echo joined lol

[severe rampart]

Perfect for three bards

[worn lagoon]

and he can optionally turn draconic, so technically it still works

[severe rampart]

well, one of the bards is passed out drunk in a tavern for session 1

[severe rampart]

I thought Gan was a Kobold

[worn lagoon]

kobolds count

[severe rampart]

as Draconic?

[worn lagoon]

they're closer to dragons than dragonborn, aren't they?

[severe rampart]

Fair nuff

[worn lagoon]

chicken and dinosaur situation

[severe rampart]

So the entire party is 99.9% Draconic

the .1% is me, because I'm a changeling

[worn lagoon]

yuh

[severe rampart]

Awesome, Draconic Band

and perfect to fight the Demon Lord we're hired to kill

[reef tundra]

A fellow changeling. I respect thou

[severe rampart]

Of course, respect to all changelings

[worn lagoon]

i'm currently just trying to figure out how to let you see a health bar without the numbers

[reef tundra]

You got this

[reef tundra]

I love the bloodied condition, it's an amazing way to tell a little bit of the enemy's health without breaking immersion

[severe rampart]

surely I'm not gonna die first

[worn lagoon]

that's one way to work around it, but the players being able to approximate it on their own will let me give the mobs more health-related gimmicks

[reef tundra]

Good luck :)

[worn lagoon]

there's one idea i discussed with echo. i don't think he's looking forward to it.

[reef tundra]

Time Sorcerer, show no mercy /j

You're gonna be fine, echo

[worn lagoon]

funny enough that's exactly what that idea is

[reef tundra]

Hehehe

[severe rampart]

Oh no

[worn lagoon]

if you played FFV by any chance and know what the Return time spell does, it's that

[reef tundra]

I've only played VII :(

And IX

[severe rampart]

Think Re:Zero

[worn lagoon]

it resets the encounter back to the very beginning

[reef tundra]

Or at least I think it was IX

[reef tundra]

Dear god

[severe rampart]

watch me ruin it by rolling a nat 20 to persuade the wizard to hand over the ring willingly

Nat 20 + Prof Bonus +5 ability modifier if I'm not wrong, I only last played DnD 2024

[worn lagoon]

i'm not sure what i'll do with that funny op wizard, i haven't written anything involving him besides funny spitballing with you

but it's a gimmick that could be cool if i implement it right to an encounter

[severe rampart]

a CN guy at the end of his life, thinking we're on a mission that'll lead to nowhere, and decides to only let us go when we beat him

[worn lagoon]

i'm not adding Toriel

[severe rampart]

Damn it

oh my god is this the plot to undertale

[worn lagoon]

absolute cinema

[severe rampart]

okay well I am now less concerned about Shadows

[scarlet wadi]

ug

[unique bobcat]

Helloo

[buoyant oar]

Oloré, as they say in the Dalelands! And how are we all?

[severe rampart]

My first drop of DnD since 2024 is starting in 1 hour and 25 minutes

[crimson gulch]

today is a good day, my Tyrrany of Dragons Campaign hit so great last night after needing to be off for a week for the holiday, my games at the shop are back after being off for two weeks and my new studio setup works fantastic

[loud tendon]

Weirdly ironic you chose that greeting as my party is going to the dalelands in dnd tonight.

[severe rampart]

good news all around!

[crimson gulch]

5 days into the year and my 4th session of dnd for the year is tonight. Starting off strong

[severe rampart]

how do you manage?

[lyric viper]

Terrifying DM Endurance. Insane Constitution Score.

[buoyant oar]

Speaking of the Dalelands I am frothing at the mouth for Ed Greemwood and the Talented team at MythMakers to release the first part of Realms Bound. Their first product is a dedicated campaign setting for the Dalelands. ❤️

As for me, tonight I am leading players through the distant realm of Zakhara in a desert themed campaign, my years of learning Arabic, and Farsi, and my college minor are coming to fruition. 😉

[crimson gulch]

very well as it turns out, my final talley for 2025 was 324 sessions ran.

[crimson gulch]

if only that translated to when my kids sneeze directly into my face

[severe rampart]

that's an average of 0.88 sessions a day

[crimson gulch]

yep, and im going to pump those numbers up this year

i have 5 weekly professional games, one every other week, and 3 other private game that are mostly weekly

and with the one shots i have booked i have 28 sessions booked total for january this year

[barren heath]

can anyone help me with character creation. i may or may have not joined a very hard dnd game, we start with 2 levels of multiclass that levels up together, so max level can be 20 wizard and 20 druid

[indigo cedar]

This basically is a full time job at this part for you then

[crimson gulch]

Yes, hence the username

[lyric viper]

Ah, but do you actually have a d40? >.>

[crimson gulch]

Nope, a nat40 is when we get a pair of nat 20's with advantage or disadvantage

[severe rampart]

with advantage it's two nat 1s, with disadvantage it's a nat 20 and then a nat 1

[rare vector]

im literally a character in dungeons and dragons

[lyric viper]

I do love when that happens.

[crimson gulch]

Me too, it happened in one of my very first games as a player and has stuck with me since

[lyric viper]

I have never seen the double nat 1s on advantage yet though

[crimson gulch]

Oh, I have seen that

[lyric viper]

that would be crushing

[buoyant oar]

I recently saw a double nat 1. On death saves no less

[severe rampart]

at that point not even a bardic inspiration die can help 😭

[severe rampart]

Did they die?

[lyric viper]

At that point it's fated

[blissful ibex]

Ran my first AL module of the year last night, 'WBW-DC-DCAF01 Pixie Dreams' was lovely

[severe rampart]

let's hope nothing bad happens to me within the next hour

[buoyant oar]

Yep they gigga died. Thematically perfect as it was against an Inevitable

[severe rampart]

It was inevitable that they would die, the two nat 1's just finalized it.

[blissful ibex]

my third of the year is tonight

[worn lagoon]

i had a lot of fun filling up the other maps, but now i'm drawing a blank with this drow city the campaign's supposed to start in

[blissful ibex]

#character-discussion

[barren heath]

oh, okay, srry

[severe rampart]

Time's running out, Sorcerer

[worn lagoon]

worse still, session's in an hour and i'm so uninspired for everything else

[crimson gulch]

....... spiders!

[worn lagoon]

oh god

[severe rampart]

Everything is a mimic

[blissful ibex]

you're good, just going to be easier to get help over there c:

[buoyant oar]

Nothing has put fear into a player than the blade song wizard casting shield bringing their AC to 26. Only to be met with.

"You take 60 damage."

"But you didn't roll...."

"I know. And you take 60 damage. And here is another 60. With multi attack."

[hollow stone]

wig mimics
not a mimic in the form of a wig, but rather, each individual fiber is a mimic of its own

[worn lagoon]

i'll come up with an excuse... nobody wants to let your party enter their shops because this is sshamath and you are all bards, not wizards?

it's holiday season and they're christmaspilled so everywhere is closed?

???

well, nvm, i can speedrun filling up this map in an hour

[severe rampart]

tl ; dr, Evren/Time Sorcerer buffed up Sorcerers a bit to entice people into trying his homebrew subclass, but three of us still chose to be a bard

[worn lagoon]

i buffed all sorcerers universally, my own homebrew wasn't even actually in the picture

[severe rampart]

even funnier

[worn lagoon]

I know what you all are.

Then again in Sshamath sorcerers are also not respected

so that excuse would still fly, sort of, i don't think they'd exclude other magic users to that extent

[scarlet wadi]

Hi, How I can make a miniature of a mountain daw on hero forge?

[hollow stone]

i mean it depends on why they don't like sorcerers

[worn lagoon]

it's a drow wizard city, they don't respect magic that isn't earned through hard work

and bardic magic don't count as hard work in their eyes

[hollow stone]

oh, yea, that excludes pretty much every caster that isn't INT or a Cleric

[worn lagoon]

there's spite against divine magic due to lolth clerics being superior to them in society in every other drow city

and they probably don't even think about druidic magic at all, so either you're a wizard or a lesser magician

[hollow stone]

damn so they're just angy at everybody all of the time

[worn lagoon]

male drow city, of course they're bummed

[hollow stone]

such miserable people

[fallow aurora]

I just had an idea pop into my mind of a monster that acts like that weird liquid that acts as a solid when you hit it.

Players would need to understand its how the monster works and stab it slowly to deal any damage.

Has this already been done ?

[worn lagoon]

I like that

i think i'll just add a slave market here...

[hollow stone]

an oobleck monster sounds cool, but how does it work mechanically?

[fallow aurora]

You need to hit lower than it's ac.

[coarse ravine]

Giant quintessent?

[still plover]

Pretty sure Heroforge has dwarf body types. The options panel on the right has a search bar up the top.

[coarse ravine]

Or Marut?

[hollow stone]

oh, negative AC has happened before, yea

[scarlet wadi]

Ho everyone do you know an online dnd map creator (gratis)

[worn lagoon]

roll20 has dungeon something

[hollow stone]

you could have made it do something else where it takes the opposite of what it was hit with on the damage dice (i.e. if it takes 1d12 = 12, it loses 1 hp, but if it is damaged 1 it loses 12 hp), but that'd be a lot of thoughts

[blissful ibex]

Microsoft Paint /j
but yeah, check roll20

[coarse ravine]

I think growth in the grove is probably hard work. I mean they could have "right of passage" trials etc. Definitely hard work to obtain those abilities.

[scarlet wadi]

Thanks

[still plover]

DungeonScrawl. It's standalone, but has Roll20 integration if that's your VTT of choice.

[blissful ibex]

Bards also literally have colleges

[buoyant oar]

Marut. Blessed be the Inevitables

[blissful ibex]

mainly like sorcerer really, because even warlocks are flavored in lore as like seeking out forbidden knowledge and such

[coarse ravine]

Yeah + you know how hard it is to switch the dialect of squirrel to what the fox said. Gotta have alot of practice with dolphin speech for sure.

[coarse ravine]

Giant quintessent, auto hits from 600 feet away. No its not 60 but over course of 600 feet it'll rack up 60+ easy

[golden birch]

what are dmg and xge again?

[still plover]

I feel sometimes folk put a bit too much stock in the collective class terms, even given that I'm a terrible one for "see what you say".

[hollow stone]

if you do this to them they will wonder if they're in hell, but this depends on your setting and what you, as the dm, have unilaterally decided they deserve, but the answer might be yes

[coarse ravine]

Just watch some videos to be real. Dmg is one thing ya dont have to read through evwry book like xanathars, Tasha's etc

Just read through dmg a bit then watch some videos

[blissful ibex]

dungeon Masters guide and Xanathar's Guide to everything

[golden birch]

i see

[hollow stone]

you could do the inverse damage on top of the negative AC, but then they will be in hell

[blissful ibex]

They're generalized for convenience; there will be outliers in any population of sufficient size, but in official lore, this is generally how things work

even if In universe, class terms aren't exactly used, they're useful to communicating to the players what is going on

[still plover]

As in, most PC bards could be expected to have attended an actual college with a campus and formal instruction? That's what's sticking in my craw right now.

Totally agree class terms shouldn't be in-world, generally.

[hazy timber]

what would be a quick way to free like 15 people from restraints (i am trying to free hostages)

[still plover]

What kind of restraints?

[hazy timber]

rope

[still plover]

#dnd-advertisements would be a good spot to make your pitch.

[hollow stone]

cast Hail Of Thorns and hope it hits the restraints and not the people /j

[still plover]

Slice the first one or two free, give them daggers.

[hollow stone]

probably deploy a Mage Hand or Invisible Servant per person and get everybody going on freeing them

[coarse ravine]

Fiery teleportation

[still plover]

You can improve your chances if you have a link to a portfolio of your work, and indicate your preferred means of contact.

[crimson gulch]

yeah folks generaly dont come here to buy things, were here to debate about Rangers, Alignment, 2024 vs 2014 and other hot topics of the game

and with all the scammers out there selling art is tough these days

[hazy timber]

fr my tiktok is full of art scammers in DMs idek where they come from ;-;

[coarse ravine]

• Ai is ridiculously fast

[still plover]

Or to put it another way, would you spend your time asking for an artist to consider a commission when you don't know what their style is or price range?

[hazy timber]

so then my best bet is just chain their releases (1 releases the rope, then two then three)

[still plover]

Get one loose, pass them a dagger to do the next, repeat until you run out of knives.

[severe rampart]

I always check art profiles first before I DM someone, I thought everybody did

[still plover]

Quick way to get blocked, friend.

[severe rampart]

Let the people approach you

[hollow stone]

establish a portfolio of other things you've drawn so people can see for themselves what you do

[severe rampart]

first advertise

okay hold on we're steering off course

[hollow stone]

you need examples, you need ranges, and you need specifice, otherwise people won't buy it

the feds (mods) will have us put down (redirected to other channels) if we get off topic

[coarse ravine]

Yeah sucks for artist these days of all kinds. Singers, musicians comedians and painters of the such. Ai is killing original creativity

Should ask advanced ai thoughts on ai hahaha. See what they would say

My buddy was a art major... I told him terrible decision. Call me a bad friend whatevers lol. But I said do what ya want man but thats a hard career. Then now he's dropped out cause of Ai shenanigans

[hollow stone]

i mean, it tends to follow general concensus and not deviate from the patterns of its data, so probably "yea people don't like that i exist but the economy bubble is gonna ignore them till it bursts lmfao"

[reef tundra]

So, dnd stuff

[still plover]

If I'm pitching a game, I'm going to tell my potential audience:

• what the idea is
• where and how we'll play
• when and how often
• what to bring in advance
• and any other particulars, house rules, restrictions

I get the information up first so the people who are interested in the idea, who can meet the requirements, who can make the schedule and work with the rest of it are the ones approaching me.

[coarse ravine]

Last paragraph great summary amd timing is everything. Could have the absolute best perfect people and party concept.. but schedules dont fit.

[hollow stone]

that happened to my last group, yea. got the ol "so don't expect a session until i tell you to, the schedule has fallen apart" from the DM :(

[coarse ravine]

Scheduling and consistency to that schedule is the hardest part

[buoyant oar]

I start with a time. Me, the DM is available at this time slot. Game will happen at this time slot.

Then I go find players.

[reef tundra]

Same, it works wonders

[small heath]

As someone who is looking for a campaign to join, I like this ^^

Because I'd rather have a DM that's consistent in hosting and know what they can do and when they are available to contact if I have questions.

[still plover]

(Deliberately not looking at the last time I actually ran a game, it's a New Year Resolution for me to try and actually get back into that)

[hollow stone]

see i got the "me is player/DM. me is available when. me is (general like 2 word summary of me)." in an acceptable area, then me is wait

[small heath]

My New Year Resolution is to get good at D&D xD. I only started a month ago after a friend convinced me to join their current campaign because they had someone leave mid way through.

So far, I'm enjoying it 🙂 . Although having a complete newbie start out as a sorcerer to fill in a plot hole they had to cover probably wasn't the smartest move but eh, I'm a fast learner.

[still plover]

Ah, it's not hard, you just have to roll big numbers on the dice. /j

[buoyant oar]

Since I am a DM, finding players is not too bad since I do all online. Hard part is finding good players, who are reliable.

I have noticed most of the time in the last 20 years, the moment I attempted to permanently shift the schedule in favor of a player the table falls apart.

It is far easier to bid the player a fond farewell and welcome them back when they can make it.

[still plover]

But seriously, focus on your skills, spells and features, know what your character can do, and spend a little time looking around at other things that might come up on the way. Going into the mountains? Take a sec to look at the rules about climbing and falling.

[small heath]

I personally want to be at the point where I can be seen as a "reliable" player. The hard part is getting started and challenging myself to go a few sessions with consistency.

[small heath]

I reread my character sheet basically everyday. And I'm constantly discovering new things that I either missed, or that I didn't know even existed.

And I'll be like "damn, this would've been good to know 2 sessions back 😂 "

[buoyant oar]

Respect the Dungeon Master, Respect your fellow players, and Respect yourself.

Do those and show up on time ready to play. And you are well on track to being an amazing player.

[still plover]

Make notes! Do up a cheat sheet for yourself.

[woven robin]

want to be good at dnd? find and use any book you can then make mock characters is my advice.

mock battles/scenarios are a plus

[severe rampart]

Game in 10 minutes, wish me luck that I don't die

[coarse ravine]

Yeah just try to utilize all of your options. Focus on what you're concentrating on can be most effective. Attempt to not have things that overlap with eachother. Like having a ability overlapping with other abilitys making one of them never get used. Once you can focus on everything you can do. (Action, Bonus action, reaction, movement, + RP) you can consider yourself good.

[small heath]

I'm the note taker of the group. Last session was our first major boss fight and a bunch of lore drop aftermath, and it added on 10 pages to the document I have 💀

[woven robin]

@small heath custom campaign or book?

[small heath]

I actually got this fixed yesterday with my DM. I was doing some more research about the sorcerer class and looking at my character sheet, and realized that there was quite a bit of spells that my character has prepared that are duplicates, and overlaps with my background. So he guided me on fixing that.

[small heath]

Custom. 2024 rules.

[coarse ravine]

What spells are you liking?

I wanta have no input just wanta know what you like

Sorcerers have such few spells those are definitely your decisions

[small heath]

I really wanted to use Rageful Nimbus but I literally haven't had an opportunity to even use that spell at all 😭 . I like to use Prestidigitation and Minor Illusion for RP/lore building because I get to add in flavor and humor with it. In terms for combat so far, I mostly used Chromatic Orb and Dragon's Breath.

Note: my character is a draconic sorcerer

[coarse ravine]

If you want help tho choosing between spells thats fun. But yeah just curious if ya went offensive or defensive or blaster/ concentration spells etc.

Dragons breath is concentration right?

[small heath]

Yes. I am still iffy on using concentration spells properly, but that's really the only part of my class that I struggle with.

[coarse ravine]

What level are you?

[small heath]

8

[coarse ravine]

Oh wow thats fun!

[small heath]

I joined in at lvl 6 because of the guy leaving the campaign mid way through, so I skipped all of the intro stuff and beginner things

Which probably explains why I struggle with understanding concentration spells, but that's ok

[woven robin]

my beef with sorc is that you're "stuck" with your chosen spells but if your not as indecisive as me, it a great spellcaster class for 1st game (im assuming)

[coarse ravine]

How many encounters a day usually is your dm running?

[coarse ravine]

Oh thags right gotta think sorcerer as in they won't havw access to any other spell I see.

Definitely makes it tougher for sure!

[small heath]

Well we are about to be 6 sessions in (at least with me involved). The group has been together for a total of 10 sessions (so I am still missing out on a lot of the lore behind our campaign, and why everyone is the way they are). Out of the 6 sessions so far, 3 of them had encounters.

The last 2 was back-to-back encounters because we had to stop the boss fight mid way through.

[woven robin]

ya but wizards have to keep track of a book... it not that fun or easy sometimes

[coarse ravine]

I mean you really cant go wrong with greater invisibility. Are you wanting more of a elemental theme for draconic sorcerer stuff?

[small heath]

Elementally, I am choosing fire because 1. it's fire, so it's cool and 2. lore wise, it fits in best with what the other guy had before he disappeared from the group.

Species wise, I'm a kobold 😄

[coarse ravine]

Ok well I dont play sorcerer often. However what are you doing with your bonus action?

I was looking at storm sphere but for a 4th level idk

You can change the lightning to fire with transmute

[small heath]

Well a lot of my bonus actions are either using my font of magics to give me more spell slots if I run out. I have Quickening Spell so I can do that, and some of my concentration spells are Bonus Actions so I do that to initiate it.

But those doesn't happen often, so I usually just use my Draconic Cry, which I call it "pack tactics at home," and don't use any bonus actions as they don't really apply or is applicable to the situation that pops up in these encounters.

But when I am able to actually apply them, I usually tie it to a concentration or a metamagic.

[coarse ravine]

I will say depending on what meta magics you took. Fire shield is a good one.

You can change the 10 minutes to a hour I think

Which is pretty good for resistance and damage etc

If you already get fire resistance. This gets you cold resistance and dishes out fire damage if someone hits you in melee. No concentration

[small heath]

I will keep that in mind. We just leveled up from the last boss fight and I swapped out my metamagic Subtle Spell to Careful Spell. I did this because one of my 4th level spells is a high powerful AoE attack and I want to avoid dealing team damage with it.

[coarse ravine]

Lasts 10 minutes but with your metamagic you can make it a hour

[coarse ravine]

What are your current metamagics?

[small heath]

I only have 2 as a lvl 8. Quickened and Careful

[coarse ravine]

You can always just position your spells better. Unless dm is fighting in narrow hallways all the time.

Up to you evocation wizard is a thing and careful does that. Helps ya be carefree with bombing. Just positioning spells can always help with that

[coarse ravine]

Was just gonna recommend transmute or another one. If you get a bonus to fire spells you can change your elemental damage to fire.

[small heath]

So far every encounter, except for the very first one, has been in an enclosed space with not much room to move.

[coarse ravine]

Quickened is beautiful keep it for sure! But yeah pickup careful. It might just help you in a hostage situation

[small heath]

Part of me lowkey wanted to keep Subtle spell and pick up Banishment so I can just screw over my DMs encounters off the rip, but I don't think he'll like that.

[coarse ravine]

Thats very clever lol

[small heath]

Story wise, we all know our next boss battle is, but we don't know when the encounter will happen.

Basically one of our party members really wanted a new character, so they worked with the DM to plot out that they get kidnapped by the big bad of our campaign, and that the big bad will "use our friend against us" before they both vanished.

[coarse ravine]

Greater invisibility is a good one unless your big bad has blindsight of course.

[small heath]

Well we learned in session that our big bad was a nightwalker disguising himself as a harrigan

[coarse ravine]

Honestly if you have banishment

I think a good combo would be blink with banishment

[small heath]

I'm definitely doing this on my next level up xD

[coarse ravine]

Enemy cant break your concentration if you aren't there

[coarse ravine]

Ive seen 2 wizards with blink pull of some crazy crazy encounters.

Holding a action cuts off multi attack. So it gets very wild if a dm doesn't dispel magic when you return

[small heath]

Wait, I just realized after looking at my character sheet, I have 1 spot of prepared spells left

I can just add in blink rn

[coarse ravine]

Blink is insane for defense, for offense, for survivability. I highly recommend blink

[small heath]

Turns out both my DM and I missed something while we were editing my character sheet lol

[coarse ravine]

No concentration spells that can go along with concentration spells are great. Thats why I recommended fire shield

Find some concentration spell staples. Then stack stuff thats not concentration

[small heath]

That was the struggle with yesterday that I wanted. I wanted less concentration spells to have prepared, but that's hard to find some that works with what I currently got. And I can only change I believe 1 spell per level to one I don't currently know.

[coarse ravine]

Then add dps kill shots

[coarse ravine]

Yall fighting humanoids?

Your party have martials?

Eh nevermind. You are one level away from hold monster. I was gonna recommend hold person but 5th level you can grab hold monster and cover all not just humanoid.

[small heath]

So far we haven't fought a humanoid. At least until we encounter our old party member's character who is an orc barbarian (we don't know when this will happne, but we all know in rp that this will happen eventually).

In terms of martials, we only have 1 Monk.

[hollow stone]

it's so evil that like 90% of Ranger spells are concentration and yet they don't have more than one of those

[small heath]

Our party: sorcerer, bloodhunter, artificer, paladin, wizard, and a monk

[coarse ravine]

But for 5th level I would highly recommend summon draconic spirit for your flavor. Another great defensive spell.

You can summon a dragon that gives you necrotic resistance. While it does radiant

Or elemental etc.

[small heath]

I know for a fact that I am getting summon dragon next level up. It's fitting for my character lore and tbh, I think it'll be great to have.

[coarse ravine]

It let's you get so many resistances. Just gotta keep it alive. It serves as a mount for the party plenty of speed etc.

[tall bone]

Hi, I'm planning to make a white dragonborn warlock character being a greedy hoarder trapping stuff and animals in ice and im not sure which subclass would fit the idea?

[coarse ravine]

Also why i recommended the extended spell or whatever its called. Extending the life of the dragon from 1 hour to what 2? Or 8 I cant remember

[small heath]

I get to swap 1 meta magic per level, so I could do that.

[coarse ravine]

What is it Heightened?

[small heath]

I think so

[blissful ibex]

Fathomless maybe?

[hollow stone]

i'd say either Fiend or Great Old One, but something deranged enough to want them to do that nonetheless

[small heath]

Speaking of characters, I actually started working on a homebrew that is based on a character concept I did in a previous fantasy-based rp story I was a part of.

[coarse ravine]

Yeah its extend spell 1 hour becomes 8 hours. So if you can maintain concentration and keep that thing alive. Thats a full mount a day

[small heath]

I actually talked to my DM and he said that if I can make it look balanced on paper while interactive, he might include it in the next quest that we do.

[stoic obsidian]

I find blink to be good, and bad depending on the situation

[spring light]

draw a scale underneath everything you write, and make the scale look balanced

[coarse ravine]

No counterspell

[small heath]

10/10

[worthy hawk]

hi me new

[spring light]

hi new

[plush estuary]

Hii

[stoic obsidian]

I mean if you don’t get the roll needed to blink or you don’t want to be taken out of combat

[coarse ravine]

Can you choose not to go?

[worthy hawk]

is this to play dnd or join dnd i wanna know

[spring light]

this is the main d&d discussion discord, there are channels to join games in #find-a-game

[worthy hawk]

ok

[spring light]

if you're new to d&d you might want to check out #dnd-newcomers

[stoic obsidian]

Nope

[small heath]

I appreciate the conversations. You're quite neat to talk to!

[stoic obsidian]

Also what if a hazard of magma appears were you are at

[coarse ravine]

Oh well thank ya, thank ya very much 👉

[stoic obsidian]

Or the ground disappears, or you face a smart enemy that ready action power word kill as soon as you appear

[small heath]

I sent a friend request.

[coarse ravine]

I mainly utilize that thing for resistances. Its a very valuable tool to have draconic spirit on your side. If dm hits you for 45 damage to break concentration. Thats a 22 with resistance so a dc 11..... not dc 22

[stoic obsidian]

You may be in another plane for a time, but you will return

[small heath]

gotcha

[coarse ravine]

Lots of dms like undead stuff so you will see alot of necrotic damages in tier 2-3. The dragon gets ya resistance to that

[tall bone]

i think i like the idea of great old one but on the other hand genie would fit hoarding and ice theme, maybe I'll just ask dm if its fine to homebrew a little because genie warlock kinda overlaps with ice dragonborn

[small heath]

I'll keep that in mind!

[hollow stone]

i mean Dragonborn is one button but Genie is plenty

[tall bone]

could you explain? I'm not a native speaker

[small heath]

I think my character backstory is funny because my kobold sorcerer is essentially brought in, thinking that he is going to be converting locals to follow this dragon diety (a custom one) he aligns with. However very quickly he is brought into a situation where not only is he working with people from opposing religious views and conflicts, but trying to solve a problem that he has no control of.

So he basically got baited into a situation that he didn't even was an issue and now it's his problem to help solve.

[hollow stone]

the White Dragonborn gives you one ability, the Genie gives you a lot more than one ability

[tall bone]

yea, but 6th level feature would give nearly nothing to a dragonborn

[spring light]

sometimes it's useful to be able to accomplish a task multiple ways

[hollow stone]

what is the 6th level feature?

[tall bone]

gives you temporary flight and cold damage resistane

[hollow stone]

temporary flight is pretty strong, i wouldn't dismiss it

[hearty bay]

Is it possible for a large or bigger character to use grapple in a way that I can use the grappled person as an improvised weapon?

Namely I like the idea of grabbing an enemy by the legs and using them to slam other enemies

[minor cargo]

There are no rules specifically for that. So you'd have to work with your DM on how that could happen.

[tawdry sentinel]

Path of the giant barbarian can punt people

[jovial shadow]

I believe such rule only exist in Xanthar's, a rule option supplment

[hot gate]

I don't think such an optional rule was ever printed in official material.

[woven flint]

I dunno why you'd really wanna use an enemy as a weapon, improvised weapons just stink, but I do get its for the fun of it

[spring light]

the closest xanathar's has is how to determine improvised damage or maybe falling?

[woven flint]

But it'd also probably surmount to
"I hit this guy over the head with this guy and do.. 1d4 damage.."

[hot gate]

Pretty much. Hitting people over the head with other people is also a much stronger effect than what grapple usually does, which is just to stop you from moving.

[spring light]

but it is funny

[hollow stone]

yea you'd think we'd have a better method than making shattering a glass bottle over someone's head and smashing them in the back of the knee with a lead pipe the same amount of damage

[gleaming fiber]

Hi guysss👋, just joined

[woven flint]

Alternatively, use a tiny sized creature like a dagger so the damage matches up

[marble lion]

Oh that profile is one hell of a bait

[woven flint]

I use the fairy like a dagger

[hollow stone]

tbh i just wanna launch people through walls for 1d12 and windows for 1d6

hit them with a chair for 1d6 and smash a bottle over their head for 1d4

[marble lion]

I am proficient in using fairies

[woven flint]

Sneak attack with my fairy dagger

Me?
I'm personally proficient in Minotaurs.

[marble lion]

How do you swing those around

I guess by the horns but theyre a bit heavy

[hollow stone]

i mean i assume it's more like you get on their back and crash into people

[woven flint]

Nope, I'm proficient in playing Minotaurs 🧐

[marble lion]

Ah

[woven flint]

I'm also proficient in kissing them as well /joking

[marble lion]

Welcome to the league of

[solar wedge]

Im making my first dnd oc (I payed before, just a one shot! But now its for real!) Is there a channel i can ask for advice for my oc i have many ideas. And i really want to impress my dm. 😂

[woven flint]

#character-discussion
Should help!

[blissful ibex]

Next time, on Labyrinth of Looooove! ❤️

[marble lion]

I kniw what you are. Youre a minotaur kisser. Save the /j for someone gullible

[hollow stone]

isn't a minotaur mathematically estimatable to a cow?

[woven flint]

I yearn to swoon Baphomet one day

[marble lion]

What does that mean

[woven flint]

Ayeeee

It's funny because Baphomets main weapon is called the Heart Cleaver...
So he cleaved his way right into my heart

[hollow stone]

like you can estimate 1.2378 to 1.2, you can also estimate a minotaur to a cow

[marble lion]

I dont think thats very alike

[marble lion]

Ok ok dont get me started now

[woven flint]

Lmao

[woven flint]

Minotaurs are also..
Incredibly humanoid

[marble lion]

Oil

[woven flint]

Have you seen more than just their faces?

[lusty kelp]

oil?

[marble lion]

I said what I said

[lusty kelp]

You did say what you said indeed. It caused me 1d4 confusion damage

[marble lion]

Thats okay youre resistant to psychic damage

Halve it and have a nap

[lusty kelp]

Yay! That makes me a cat then, I guess!

[hollow stone]

i've seen down to the belt and nothing lower

[woven flint]

Also, Also, Minotaurs are carnivorous, stand on two legs, have Language and are created by a demon lord
Besides their heads, they share nothing in common with cows

[marble lion]

Just like humans

[woven flint]

Exactly!

Frankly think if you compared one to a cow, they'd be royally pissed

[lusty kelp]

Also, in some settings, are really, really good sailors for some reason. Never understood that one, but it is what it is

[woven flint]

They are indeed!

[marble lion]

I think its because a salty minotaur just seems cool

I dig it and i dont really know why either

Maybe its because theyre very rustic and so is nautic life?

[livid owl]

Sense of direction

[lusty kelp]

Either way, its a pretty cool trope. Minotaur sailrs are pretty bad arse.

[woven flint]

The main thing minotaurs as a monster in 5e share with cows is the fact that they CAN be very gentle and compassionate sometimes

[marble lion]

I really wanna have a greataxe using minotaur in a game one day

[lusty kelp]

Though I still giggle at the idea of minotaur cowboys.

[woven flint]

Keyword: SOMEtimes

[marble lion]

Also greece had lots of nautic culture and minotaurs. Maybe thats a factor?

[woven flint]

Maybe because Minotaur Pirates are Badass in concept well

That'd have to be a pretty big ship for a crew of them lol

[marble lion]

I do prefer nonnautic minotaurs by a lot though

I just also find those cool too

[woven flint]

Hmmm,
Friendly Minotaur sailors that bring goods from the Underdark to other parts of the realm? 🧐

Establish world trade, Minotaur style

[marble lion]

Underdark port would be very cool

Ill put that into my game somehow someday

[woven flint]

Make sure to have Minotaur Dock Workers!

[marble lion]

I might have to completely scrap my ongoing campaign soon anyway for life reasons so new horizons are possible

Ill put in an easteregg for you

One dock worker will be minotaur, handsomenest in port, and have a tabaxi bf

[crimson gulch]

skullport?

[marble lion]

Nice tip

[woven flint]

Hmmm, who would run trade in the underdark is my question,
Part of me believes that the Duergar or Svirfneblin probably would since the drow seem like they really wouldn't give a damn

[marble lion]

Id have to make it someone that isnt duergar

I just find them smelly

[woven flint]

I could see it being Svirfneblin, they're still gnomes, just a LITTLE reserved

[marble lion]

Same for femorians and deep gnomes

[woven flint]

Actually, it's not deep gnomes, it's
Svirfneblin! Show some respect smh...

[marble lion]

I finally put in a gnomish settlement in my game against my bias

However, they are all dead on arrival so problem solved

I love the steampunk tinkering so i let their creations remain

[woven flint]

Honestly, out of the underdark species, I think Duergar and Svirfneblin are more interesting than the Drow

Hmmm, the only one I haven't played is a Svirfneblin, maybe one should be a back-uo character fir anytime soon lol

Pfft, play an introverted as hell Druid from the underdark

Maybe the lad has a stutter

Do Deep Gnomes cultivate mushrooms...
I need to look into them a bit more

[stoic obsidian]

Huh, 2024 defensive duelist feat ac increase last until your next turn

[crimson gulch]

yeah, its super good

[stoic obsidian]

I starting to wonder if it better than shield

Since it doesn’t cost a spell slot to use

And it can increase beyond 5

Tho it against melee attack while, shield work against ranged and melee

[lusty kelp]

I'd say better for an eldritch knight or arcane trickster, but worse for a bladesinger. that +1 DEX on the feat hurts a pure wizard more than it does on someone who naturally wants DEX for weapon use.

[stoic obsidian]

Bladesinger 2024 yeah, but 2014 bladesinger

Still need the dex

To an extent

But yeah it better on others

[lusty kelp]

Do lots of people use the 2014 subclasses with the 2024 rules, even after said subclass gets an update? I kinda been mentally dropping the old subclasses as we get new updates, but kinda curious if people been maintaining them as both options

[stoic obsidian]

Mostly if they don’t have the latest books or are in an ongoing campaign

Mostly thinking about dex feats if I reach level 16

[lusty kelp]

kk. was just curious.

[keen kestrel]

It depends, there’s a few subclasses in 2024 I prefer, but if it’s not yet been added to 2024 or if I prefer 2014 version, we’ll use that

My dms have been fairly flexible in regards to that

[jade garden]

Hi im playing dnd for the first time pretty soon and i was wondering if barbarian and Dragonborn is a good combination and starter

[crimson gulch]

not really, most of the updated supclasses are a clear improvement over their 2014 versions

[stoic obsidian]

#dnd-newcomers

[jovial shadow]

From the change log: "However, if an older subclass was updated for the 2024 Player’s Handbook, that subclass will not be useable with the 2024 class."

[crimson gulch]

no one can stop you from mixing the 2014 and 2024 options in your games as you like, the game is compatible

folks can write homebrew on a napkin and its compatable with dnd.

[woven flint]

Yeah, Dragonborn are fine for anything, having a free damage resistance is always big, especially on most barbarians

[jade garden]

O sry

[jade garden]

Tysm

[woven flint]

Also, Dragonborn offers an occasional AOE option that Barbarians typically can't get

[empty thicket]

and the breath attack is an extra AOE that help some martials classes

[stoic obsidian]

No worries, I just showing an useful channel

[empty thicket]

the stats are nice, resistance to a whole element is powerful, more if you considerate that fire is like one of the most common

[jade garden]

Ohh

[lusty kelp]

free flight is also really good on primary martials, even if limited

[woven flint]

Does anyone remember the Infernal Constitution feat?

[empty thicket]

and most important, being able to choose the element too

[woven flint]

Well, at least during character creation

[jade garden]

Also one more quick question is it possible to have like 2 dm’s that switch like every session bc im playing with 2 other friends and they want to np if its possible

[empty thicket]

yeah, but being able to chose it or get more options is a plus always

[woven flint]

Yeah, so long as they cooperate

[lusty kelp]

I do. added cold and poison resist, basically.

[jade garden]

O right, thx they prolly will

[woven flint]

I had it on my Tiefling War Cleric and he had a wooping 7 damage resistances In total 💀

[stoic obsidian]

What kind of barbarian you plan on building?

I am talking about subclass

[jade garden]

Uh is it bad to say idk what u mean

[woven flint]

But, I also think species specific feats are kinda weird

Not in a bad way, it's just a shame barely anyone else got them

I know in Pathfinder, every species has Species specific feats and I'm assuming it came from older editions of D&D as well

[stoic obsidian]

No, you are new to dnd, and you not gonna know things

[jade garden]

O thx

I’ve got this book of dnd monster drawings and that’s pretty much it lol

[empty thicket]

half orc is hard to see in no martial classes for the savage attacks (extra attack when critic) but Relentless Endurance (when droped to 0 instead stay in 1, one time per long rest)

[blissful ibex]

many people still play the old content because it's what they have, or don't want to have to learn the chagnes or w/e