dnd-discussion

[hot marlin]

It's called a golem, and the answer is anytime the DM allows

[vagrant quartz]

I wanted to one up my artificer

(as a gag)

[halcyon forum]

robot is not a game term, and some constructs could be called robots while others cant. nothing to do with level of sentience though

[viral kraken]

i mean an artificer can make a homunculus or a steel defender those might scratch that itch

[woven flint]

Homunculus

That's me, I'm a Homunculus

[vagrant quartz]

Artificer is treating that steel defender REALLY horribly then

😭 poor bob

[woven flint]

Steel Defenders are just as intelligent as an average animal statblock, maybe you should tell him that

[vagrant quartz]

That's horrible

[woven flint]

Lmao, well, that doesn't really matter tbh

[vagrant quartz]

He uses him as a doorstop!

I'm calling cps on poor bob, he has a horrible dad

[woven flint]

Hey man.. he created it, it's HIS machine lol

Many people don't treat their golems well..
Because they're created to serve

[vagrant quartz]

And that's why they won't get spared in the robot uprising!

[woven flint]

My Alchemist Artificer doesn't really care for his Homunculus because he views it as a tool... as he does also with most people 💀

[vagrant quartz]

What's theyr name? (Of the humonculus)

[woven flint]

He's just more formative with people and manipulative

[scarlet marsh]

Noooo

[woven flint]

Homunculus.
It has no name because he doesn't care to name it lmao 😭

[vagrant quartz]

😭🙏🏻 nooo

[stark tundra]

Ah the father route of fmab

[severe rampart]

Now all that's left is to adopt a dog

[woven flint]

He supplies the party with Alcohol because making it is one of his specialties.. and it makes it easier to get them to do what he wants

[vagrant quartz]

NO

[azure jasper]

at least give it like a number
most robots and/or experiments get numbers assigned to them

[woven flint]

Nope, he just calls it "Homunculus"

The point of not naming it is to show how uncaring he is even towards his own creations that he actively put effort into making

[vagrant quartz]

I don't think I'd have the heart to rp something like that ngl

[woven flint]

He's a Yuan-Ti as well so...

[vagrant quartz]

That explains a lot

[woven flint]

Not ALL Yuan-Ti are cruel and uncaring.

He also still takes place as the parties healer, he cares enough to keep them alive even if it's for his own gain

[stark tundra]

Yes

[vagrant quartz]

Am I racist towards the Yuan-Ti 💔

[stark tundra]

Hey he couldn't afford pet care and child care so he made it easy

[woven flint]

He even has the Mark of Healing dragonmark

[woven flint]

Maybe.. don't be racist in general

Not all Drow, Yuan-Ti, Orcs, Goblins, ect are evil, ya know

[vagrant quartz]

Yeah you're right

[jovial shadow]

Goblins were changed from evil, to Chaotic Neutral in 2024

[vagrant quartz]

I've met like 3 yuan-ti and like 2 were very much evil, and the other was kinda morally in the grey zone-

[woven flint]

My Yuan-Ti fellow is a Lawful Evil type, but perhaps he'll develop as a person...
Since that's the whole point of playing a character! Development!

[vagrant quartz]

Time to play very happy and cheerful pinkie pie yuan-ti

[stark tundra]

Just most drow are evil

[vagrant quartz]

🎁🐍🎉 happy snek

[woven flint]

My Yuan-Ti Spirits bard was a very kind person, even if he was initially a Charlatan, he wanted to give people comfort by assuring them that their relatives, loved ones, friends, ect were okay in the afterlife

He didn't even accept money for "readings" he earned his money through adventuring

[fast latch]

I have two Yuan-Ti characters

One is a Lawful Neutral manipulative charismatic wizened genius politician who is also a Circle of The City Druid (He got into his position on a platform of beautifying the city with parks and plants and such)

The other is an idiotic cheerful zealot of Torm who calls himself a “MIGHTY SORCERER!”

[woven flint]

My Yuan-Ti were both a bit deeper than surface alignment, but they would've both been on very opposite sides of the Scale

The Bard being a "Chaotic Good"
And the Artificer being a "Lawful Evil"

They were both manipulators, but one just thought he was doing it for a good reason (to bring comfort)

[woven flint]

Not even MOST.
Lolth worshippers are the evilest of drow, but they aren't a majority

[marble lion]

I did think yuanti were actually magically forced to just be evil

To the point where you msy ask if its even evil if its that intrinsic

[woven flint]

There are plenty of Drow that just want to live life.

[stark tundra]

I know was making a joke

[woven flint]

Drow have it hard enough >:[

[jovial shadow]

Ugh not the Drow is or isn't evil discussion again

[marble lion]

As for drow, i heard somewhere that lolth basically cursed the entire group to be evil, but its either outdated or wrong

[marble lion]

Leave for a few minutes then

[woven flint]

Such a strange thing to be bothered about lol

[marble lion]

I get it

Still just stop reading

[woven flint]

There are evil drow, but not all drow are evil.
It's not an Is or Isn't, it's just factual lore.

[stark tundra]

Du'kurn is a drow adventurer

[marble lion]

Was it always like that?

[woven flint]

I believe so, actually

[marble lion]

I dont remember my source sadly

[fickle heart]

The OG lore had all drow be very evul.

[stark tundra]

Source I made it up

[marble lion]

But it made it clear that drow dont just culturally end up evil but rather that the goddess twisted their souls into pure evil

[stark tundra]

Og lore was drow and orcs are evil

[woven flint]

Really?
I thought there were groups of ones that didn't associate with Lolth or doing evil even back then

[marble lion]

Leading to them all as evil but not exactly due to any moral choice

I honestly like the lore more

[stark tundra]

And orcs was because well grumish

[marble lion]

I think its very cool for a people to lose a portion to a betrayer god

I think drow just ending up evil a lot due to culture is not as interesting

Subjective disclaimer

[fast latch]

It’s not the souls, it’s the culture

I think with the exception of Fiends, no soul is innately evil in DnD

[errant token]

Hi

[valid geyser]

I like the idea that there’s just thousands of years of indoctrination

[marble lion]

Now that is true. In older lore idk

[hot marlin]

A betrayer god? Grumsh never betrayed anyone

[marble lion]

Not grumsh

[marble lion]

Thats how it is in 5e i assume

[fickle heart]

They were pretty evil to the core.

https://web.archive.org/web/20230326184740/https://www.dungeoneersguildgames.com/single-post/2019/11/30/Origins-of-the-Drow-in-Dungeons-Dragons

Honestly, one of the biggest things that makes alignments not mesh with species in modern D&D is that there's too many settings, which also means that any sort of usable lore falls to the wayside.

[fast latch]

It’s Corellon who betrayed Gruumsh actually

[marble lion]

Corellon did nothing wrong

[errant token]

I am a new DM and I have the game planned but I am worried that my players will go of track and do something like going and kill the NPC that has a quest

[woven flint]

More like... stinkellon

[marble lion]

Corellon apologist here

I will earn my place by his side for a time

We atone ever onwards

[woven flint]

What did Corellon actually do to Grumsh?

[still plover]

Start them on the quest. Tell them they've already accepted it and are looking at the first step, the dungeon entrance, whatever. Maybe have an ask-around for their characters' reasons for having accepted, but put them where the action starts.

[fast latch]

Tricked him

When the gods were drawing lots to find out who got which environment, Corellon rigged it so Gruumsh didn’t get one for his Orcs

[woven flint]

You know... that upsets me 😔

[harsh hinge]

Going “off-track” is inevitable, but you can steer them back toward the plot in various ways. As for killing NPCs randomly, spend time prior to the game talking about expectations for behavior. #dm-discussion for more!

[crimson gulch]

That's the distinction in critical role lore, Betrayer gods vs prime deity

[woven flint]

No wonder people think elves are racist /joking

[marble lion]

Theyre just right

[hot marlin]

So this specific bit of lore comes from Monster Mythology. And is said to be...Well, the mythology some orcs believe in. It's not really presented as canon and simply does not really make sense

Gods don't really decide where people will live. People do.

[terse meadow]

Hi

Do u guys have tips on being a new dm?

Im new to the game

[harsh hinge]

My DM tips: #dm-discussion message

[fast latch]

I mean, it makes Elves, especially High and Wood, waaaaaaaay more interesting if they have that as a character flaw

[muted tulip]

Okay so RANDOM question...

Has anyone made a go of it building dnd servers for people on discord?

[woven flint]

Fun fact: Racism is not an interesting character flaw

[dark basin]

Depends on how it is done. Most encounters I've had are, unfavorable.

[fast latch]

I’ve done it

It’s going well

[muted tulip]

Would love to pick your brain bc I have found I have a new skill after building mine and then two others for friends and fixing one by someone who didn't know what they were doing

[woven flint]

Also Fun Fact:
Elves in D&D are literally the most laid back and uncaring beings ever, I don't think they'd waste any part of their lives being racist towards anyone else because.. why bother? Elves mostly outlive their enemies anyway.

[fast latch]

Well it’s pretty easy

Get some mods, separate the server into Not DnD and DnD, make channels for general, homebrew, memes, music, etc, and you’re basically done

[muted tulip]

Yeah I know that part. But like, have you ever been hired to do it? I've build 4 like that.

[hot marlin]

Actually whether or not a flaw is interesting entirely depends on how it's presented by the story, not on the flaw itself

[woven flint]

I dunno.. I don't feel like racism makes for good storytelling.

[olive wasp]

I have a party member who despises gnomes and it’s kinda frustrating to play with when they act unreasonable

[fast latch]

Is hating Undead racism?

[olive wasp]

Like it’s not normal to want to murder someone for being a gnome

[woven flint]

It's hard to do racism "tastefully" as it's a very tasteless subject matter.

[woven flint]

No, because undead aren't a specific race.

[fast latch]

That’s why only the bad guys do it in Fantasy Land™

[woven flint]

Undead can literally be ANY creature

[hot marlin]

Uh... To Kill a Mockingbird. Twelve Years a Slave. BlacKkKlansman. Get Out. American History X.

[muted tulip]

Mine is going on 2 years and I'm incorporating as much dnd as possible so it's chaos world building. But I fixed one that was entirely homebrew, and I build one that was based on the three dead gods, and now one kind of on the bloodborne inspired loot tavern book. But like I can build a whole server just for feywild, or shadowfell, or hells.

[fickle heart]

Damn, beat me to it. Some of the most highly lauded pieces of literature use it as a central piece.

[hot marlin]

I forgot Mississipi Burning.

[fast latch]

I love the cat in your PFP

[woven flint]

I understand.
But I prefer to just leave racism out of my fantasy games that don't need racism

Nothing NEEDS racism to be a better story

[hushed mason]

I feel the same way about leaving it out as I do about leaving sexism out of it... it feel too unreal.

[fickle heart]

His name is Roger, and he's a lil shit.

[prime pewter]

REALL

[marble lion]

I find war of different groups interesting

[prime pewter]

Same with bigotry being passed of as "historically accurate" in the fantasy genre

[fickle heart]

I mean...stories that are directly commenting on it do need it, or they largely fall flat.

[woven flint]

It's okay for different groups to war

[marble lion]

Races are groups

I get not wanting it in your games though

Thats fine and anyone who says otherwise is weird in my eyes

[muted tulip]

Some people use dnd to escape the real world, some of them use it as a way to process what they dislike about the real world

[marble lion]

But i dont like people demonising its inclusion either

[muted tulip]

both are valid

Also characters are characters. If you play a character and not just a self insert, you are going to have to address the history of that character.

[woven flint]

If you're gonna use something, handle it with actual care is my argument, then

[fast latch]

How come you can say the s word without getting timed out but not the f word?

[prime pewter]

If I ever make a setting, I won't make there be gods of specific races. I'd make them be gods of provinces, and types of societal building blocks

It just makes more sense imo

[woven flint]

Disability, Racism, Mental illness, even if it's a fantasy world, it should be handled in a manner above just being there to be there

[muted tulip]

Okay but in some situations thats just how it should be treated.

[woven flint]

I understand that most of ye folks are mature enough to handle it

[woven flint]

I dunno if I agree with that

[muted tulip]

most of the disabled just want to be treated like a normal person

[marble lion]

That reminds me of

[woven flint]

The manner is handling it respectfully .v.

[marble lion]

Eladrin

[muted tulip]

and choosing to play a disabled person can help you IRL

[prime pewter]

Why would a higher power care if I am an elf or an orc? They care more about ideals than any of that

[fast latch]

I have a mental disorder (Autism) and I agree

[marble lion]

I like eladrin

[prime pewter]

Twin!!

[woven flint]

Eladrin...

[marble lion]

I will put eladrin in something just to have them in there

[muted tulip]

Both of my kids are and the amount of "special handling" I get from teachers annoy TF out of me.

[marble lion]

No careful handling at all

[woven flint]

What's the point you're trying to make?

[marble lion]

Hamfisted shoehorned eladrin exposure

[marble lion]

The point is that i like eladrin

Or rather the point is this reminded me of my eladrin liking

[woven flint]

I don't think Eladrin are sensitive subject matter though 😭

I think Eladrin are sensitive to subject matter though 🧐 /joking

[marble lion]

Theyre cool

[fast latch]

Since one of my favorite classes ever was taught by a Deaf woman, I decided that maybe a Deaf Tiefling Sun Soul Monk named Hope that runs a book store and has a cute hearing dog would be cool

[junior cloud]

Hello

[fast latch]

I also don’t have him entirely fleshed out yet, but I have an idea for a paralyzed Gnome who invented a legchair (Like a wheelchair but with FREAKING SPIDER LEGS!)

[woven flint]

Mind you, I'm not like.. a snowflake or anything, I'm not easily offended by anything, I just don't like offending other people

Which is why I avoid certain topics as a player, if I'm not knowledgeable enough on it, I avoid adding it to a character

(Though I do like to learn)

[glass granite]

You’re Goofy

[woven flint]

I'm whimsical! Not a serious creature, i dont like handling subject matter that's taken incredibly serious irl lmao

[muted tulip]

That's totally valid

[keen valve]

Everyone likes their own types of drinks in their own certain ways, as they say.

[fickle heart]

Oh, I think it's very important to distinguish between topics that are fine with randos and topics that are fine with an established group.

[glass granite]

Personally can’t stand most coffee

[keen valve]

Coffee is trash to me, I feel you.

[limpid plaza]

Tea superiority

[woven flint]

I love coffee 😭
AND tea

[muted tulip]

you are entitiled to your wrong opinion lol

[glass granite]

Yeahhhh

[keen valve]

We'll have to execute you, sadly. Would you like death by piranha pit or mind flayering?

[woven flint]

I'll just walk into a Sphere of Annihilation.

[hot marlin]

On another subject: Am I the only one amazed by how trash the spells in Wildermount are?

[woven flint]

Oh?

[hot marlin]

Not in the sense that they're weak, in the sense that they are extremely poorly designed and stupid

[limpid plaza]

I have some magic items, we can exile him to the astral plane

[woven flint]

Wildemount is critical role, yeah?

[hot marlin]

Yes

[limpid plaza]

Portable hole + bag of holding

[woven flint]

Actually, I'm a regular there

Got plenty of pals in the Astral Sea

[muted tulip]

or slamming two boh together

[snow zephyr]

It's a Studios and Merchandise book

[woven flint]

Then that's the reason it's poorly designed /half-joke

[hot marlin]

It's always strange to me how bad actual crunch that comes from Critical Role tends to be. The Blood Hunter. Duanamancy, Chronurgy...

[muted tulip]

Blood Hunter can be broken if you play it right

[snow zephyr]

The rules are subpar because they're not designed for gameplay

[muted tulip]

but it's OVERLY balanced, sign of being made by a true DM

[fast latch]

What’s the most broken one?

[muted tulip]

My server has had to literally make OP sheets to combat the level 17-20 characters

[burnt valley]

kek

[muted tulip]

the monsters are just subpar and I have many players that can 1v1 Tiamat

[limpid plaza]

Wizard is the best class, prove me wrong

[burnt valley]

Is Blood Hunter a strictly melee-only class?

[muted tulip]

I will not, I agree lol

[snow zephyr]

The needs of a studio game and the needs of a causal game are two different sets of needs

[hot marlin]

Which means you should not play it, right or wrong

[limpid plaza]

Specifically divination wizard btw

[crimson gulch]

i have the most dead wizards compared to any other class in the last 6 months in my games

[burnt valley]

No, but is on the Top 5

[muted tulip]

depends on subclass

[limpid plaza]

Love it or hate it, you cannot escape portent

[muted tulip]

then they can't wizard. My necromancer is now a god.

[crimson gulch]

sure you can, you get 2 a day

[burnt valley]

What did you homebrew to accomplish that

[crimson gulch]

3 at high levels, that wont last all day

[crimson gulch]

nothing, i dont homebrew

[muted tulip]

that's depressing

[crimson gulch]

i run 5e RAW

[fast latch]

You’re not allowed to play broken things?

[burnt valley]

Oh nice thats good, what did the Wizards to end up dying? I assume this is on lower levels

[crimson gulch]

Dragons breath, level 6, Glazebrau level 12, and a trap level 9

[limpid plaza]

I’ve been using quite a bit of homebrew

[wispy trail]

Hi i am playing dnd and i have a Dm thats says that bless only goes off one time so thats a 1d4 on a attack or a abiblity ones then it ends ??? is dis like a old dnd rule

[hot marlin]

"Allowed" yes. But if something is "broken", it means it doesn't function. It means it's poorly designed.

[limpid plaza]

Have you heard of the Dragon Ball 5e setting

[wispy trail]

Most games ruled it as it always goes offf more then onece and last 1 min ??

[muted tulip]

Broken in the slang term of OP, not broken needing repair.

[fast latch]

I don’t think so

I think your DM is being weird (Bad weird, not good or neutral weird)

[muted tulip]

If it's in avrae it's automatically added to each attack roll if the PC has it

[muted tulip]

Yes so 10 rounds in a combat setting

[wispy trail]

so am consetrating on bless i gave my friends the bless and he says they only can use it once and then its gone

[muted tulip]

I don't think he read the spell right

[wispy trail]

big as nerf to bless

[potent siren]

By RAW bless sticks around until its duration ends or you lose concentration

[muted tulip]

are you TT with dice? or using Avrae?

[fast latch]

When something is broken, that usually means it functions too well

Like Twilight Cleric, for example

1d6 + Cleric level THP definitely functions, but it’s waaaaaay too freaking much

[valid geyser]

That’s certainly not how it works

[muted tulip]

Shhhh leave Twi Clerics out of this, it's the best sublcass for combats and people don't need to know that.

[hot marlin]

The Twilight Cleric is not broken. It's strong, very strong, but not broken

[fast latch]

Then what’s a broken subclass?

[marble lion]

You can play op stuff as long as youre a fun playrr who doesnt exploit

[burnt valley]

Oh damn, the Wizards has options of dealing with those, ig they didn't bring it or smth, idk what the trap is like tho

[marble lion]

Dnd is coop storytelling to me

[muted tulip]

Entropy Druid

[wispy trail]

Thx for the help al ask my dm ather the game

[marble lion]

Any build is fine there so long asbpeoples mindset is right

[marble lion]

Dm might be thinking of guidance

[woven flint]

What?

[hot marlin]

Maybe Chronurgy and Graviturgy, a lot of third party classes, 2014 four elements, sun soul and battle rager, and everything related to the Blood Hunter

[fast latch]

Can you link that?

[wispy trail]

the problem he sees is dis part

Whenever a target makes an attack roll or a saving throw before the spell ends

he thinks that end the effect

[fast latch]

Why specifically is Graviturgy broken? And I’m assuming you mean good broken, not bad broken like Four Elements

[burnt valley]

Sun Soul and Battlerager broken what

[muted tulip]

[Here][https://www.dndbeyond.com/classes/2190878-druid#CircleofEntropy]

[hot marlin]

No, I mean bad broken. All broken is bad.

There is no such thing as "good" broken.

[muted tulip]

If you want to have fun, there is

[hot marlin]

If something is broken, it means it's a failure of game design

[muted tulip]

okay but not in "slang" terms hon

[burnt valley]

Broken as in too powerful?

[scenic zinc]

How are they broken?

[muted tulip]

BC the entire Illrigger book was "broken" and might be some of the most OP subclasses

[marble lion]

If that was the case it would be specified through "the next time" like in guiding bolt or guidance. Tell him to look at these 2 to see the wording difference

[fast latch]

I meant good broken as in too powerful, not as in fun for the DM to deal with

[burnt valley]

Yes, being super strong is very fun, people should try it every once in awhile

[scenic zinc]

Chronurgy and graviturgy are good... but they're not broken.

[potent siren]

Gaming has brought about the adoption of using the term "broken" often synonymously with "OP"

[marble lion]

Broken in slang still means bad design

[hot marlin]

Whether or not something is OP has nothing to do with whether or not it's broken.

[muted tulip]

Then the DM needs to learn how to be a better DM

[marble lion]

It does

[hot marlin]

Something is broken if it's bad design, if it doesn't work the way it's intended. It can be broken by being too strong, too weak or in a completely unrelated way

[marble lion]

But youre still correct. Its bad design. It isnt balanced as intended

[fast latch]

What?

I thought something had to be OP to be broken

[wispy trail]

al send dis to him

[muted tulip]

The new artificer subclass has SO much potential to be broken

[hidden spindle]

You mean perfectly designed

[potent siren]

No, something can be broken if it is incredibly weak unintentionally

[valid geyser]

Not really. It’s one of the worse artificer subclasses

[scenic zinc]

How are those specific wizard subclasses broken?

[potent solar]

why is the dnd horrified box looks so confusing to play😭

[muted tulip]

Then you aren't playing it to it's strengths. I just had a character slot for my server for anyone that wanted to play it. It's a support class.

[scenic zinc]

The only bad design in them is that wotc forced what was designed as a single subclass to be two different subclasses.

[potent siren]

Check out #find-a-game if your looking for tables to play at

[eager goblet]

oh ok ty im sorry

[potent siren]

no worries!

[muted tulip]

I call it specialty. It's a class of scientists and not all of them are chemists.

[scenic zinc]

I'm only talking about chronurgy and graviturgy.

[muted tulip]

But I'll defend Artificers to the death, my first 5e was an Alchemist.

[scenic zinc]

They were originally just dunamancy.

[muted tulip]

Okay fair, carry on!

[fast latch]

I only see Circle of The Land

[hot marlin]

In their case, I don't think they're broken, I just think they're crap. Poorly designed, yes, but not in a way that breaks the game.

[burnt valley]

We love casting spells

[scenic zinc]

I don't think they're poorly designed. I think they're poorly split apart.

[fast latch]

Arcane Abeyance is one of the best features in the game, though

[woven flint]

I cast the forbidden evil spell of forbidden evil

[valid geyser]

I don’t think it’s unusable just kind of weak in its class features just in my opinion because it is weirdly has two class features based on faerie fire who do hogs concentration and requires a saving throw to get effect. Also it’s third level spells aren’t amazing which is really important for the level 11 feature
I also just don’t like the flavor of the subclass

[muted tulip]

you may not have the book then

it's Grim Hollow

[fast latch]

Which book is it?

[fickle heart]

I mean, I think Chronurgy is clearly poorly designed when you look at how its design ethos seemingly clashes with the rest of the subclasses for Wizard.

[crimson gulch]

cronourgy was made for the plot, not for strict balance

[potent siren]

its probably less of a problem now that the Wizard subclasses stepped away from literally being named as the different schools of magic, to now being titles of what a type of specialized wizard is called

[scenic zinc]

Again, chronurgy wasn't ever meant as it's own thing.

It was supposed to just be dunamancy.

[valid geyser]

Also it’s Matt Mercer content. That stuff is usually on the jankier side

[scenic zinc]

I don't agree that it's janky. I don't think it fits in general with 5e design philosophy though.

[fickle heart]

I would assume that Chronurgy and Graviturgy were split because they found they lacked a good way to represent the themes within a single subclass.

[scenic zinc]

As many of the things he makes that give you a plus come with a minus.

[valid geyser]

I don’t even remember the clsss features chronurgy has tbh. I just remember some of the dunamancy spells

[scenic zinc]

Time and space Manipulation. It's... not hard.

[serene jolt]

2024 made Alchemist much better, at least on paper. I haven't tried it.

[round pond]

hello!

[fickle heart]

Both in a compelling subclass for one of the classes that generally has the least definition through its subclass is more difficult than one might expect.

[valid geyser]

It’s more of the same to me. I think a lot of people who disliked alchemist wanted a ground up redesign (at least I did)

[fickle heart]

I think it's easy in theory, but would be hard in practice.

[scenic zinc]

Which is a failing of WotC for doing that to wizard subclasses in the first place.

[fickle heart]

It's more of a failing of the 5e framing for Wizard, IMO.

[livid owl]

How differently does wizard play from sorcerer
Aside from the obvious of sorcery points and all that

[potent solar]

What is the best class for beginner

[livid owl]

I haven't considered playing a wizard yet because it's always described as difficult

[scenic zinc]

Whatever you have fun with

[fickle heart]

Bring back Wizard spell school restrictions, ayy.

[scenic zinc]

The game isn't that hard. Play whatever sounds fun.

[potent solar]

U right

[scenic zinc]

It's written at like a 6th grade reading level.

[valid geyser]

Wow yeah I forgot how really boring this subclass is

[fickle heart]

It is "I press buttons and good stuff happens very consistently, hi", yeah.

[valid geyser]

Also it has a lot of concentration based class features for some reason, which isn’t that common

[scenic zinc]

It's divination wizard with more steps.

[potent solar]

Why is the dnd horrified box looks very hard to play

[livid owl]

I was moreso asking why people commonly describe it as the most difficult class to run, is it just the spell load?

[potent solar]

Im still figuring out on how to play it

[valid geyser]

Also I meant to say graviturgy

[scenic zinc]

Because they're being hyperbolic.

[valid geyser]

But I’m not big on chronurgy either

[scenic zinc]

I'm not being obtuse. The game isn't difficult. Playing wizard isn't hard.

[fickle heart]

I think Graviturgy is significantly more interesting than Chronurgy because of the conc stuff, interestingly.

[livid owl]

I get that you're trying to reassure and encourage playing whatever I want but I kind of am more asking for how the class feels to run 😩

[scenic zinc]

Does it require more effort than fighter? Sure. Does that make it hard? No.

[burnt valley]

Chronurgy is the "I win" the subclass

[glass granite]

Always thought divination was stronger

[crimson gulch]

my fighter players have to do a lot more at the table than my wizard players generally, one spell and turn over vs so many attacks and extra bits

[scenic zinc]

As someone who plays a chronurgy wizard, it's more of a "my team wins" for me. I use my features to help them.

Wizards are a support class in my opinion, after all.

[fickle heart]

I find Chronurgy poor design because it both informs absolutely nothing about the Wizard's playstyle itself, steps on Divination's toes very cleanly, and its later buttons are just "I solved the problem, and (almost) nothing you do can stop me", which is a big point of contention for me.

[burnt valley]

They kinda get to spam Convergent Future once they magic jar into something thats exhaustion immune + arcane abeyance shenanigans + more initiative

[lavish flame]

I wish Martials had Concentration abilities. Even if they weren't spells, like I wish they codified some more stuff as "takes your Concentration" to do

Rage is a good example of what I want. I wish Rage just took up a Barbarian's Concentration

[scenic zinc]

You want to make them... weaker?

[lavish flame]

Nah I just want Martials to interact with Concentration at all

[valid geyser]

That sounds awful tbh

[scenic zinc]

Why?

[fast latch]

Rage is literally the opposite of Concentration

You need to get hit for it to continue

[valid geyser]

Imagine getting hit and losing your class features

[scenic zinc]

Just to do it?

[lavish flame]

It is a good point of balance for potent abilities

[jovial shadow]

Ha! just what I was going to say

[valid geyser]

I think inherently your argument has merit rate is just an awful example

[burnt valley]

Fighters arent proficient in con saves, they will lose concentration most of the time since most fighters are melee anyway

[scenic zinc]

Rage isn't all that powerful in the long run. It's good, don't get me wrong... but it's not something I'd ever put concentration on.

[valid geyser]

I’d also think for melee martials concentration features need to be potent to be worth the cost since they’re getting hit a lot more and making a lot more concentration checks

[glass granite]

I gotta disagree. They’re in melee enough that concentration is just crippling. Though if they got further extra abilities and THOSE had some sort of concentration…

[scenic zinc]

In fact, you quite literally can't interact with the concentration mechanic while raging lol

[glass granite]

(Meant towards Gwyn)

[lavish flame]

The game would be getting changed to include Concentration on Martials. You don't think this would be changed too?

[fickle heart]

Methinks this might be the desire to interact with an open mechanical space more than anything else.

[scenic zinc]

I don't think it makes any sense unless you massively overhaul martials to provide significant improvements to them to warrant such a change.

[valid geyser]

I think barbarians would need like way more uses of rage to make it worthwhile, and it just would not be satisfying to have the chance to lose your main form of being relevant in combat every time you get hit, as a tank mind you

[scenic zinc]

Concentration exists to balance the powerful spells in the game.

And casters are already more powerful than martials.

[lavish flame]

Yes, and in this hypothetical it would be balancing powerful martial abilities

[fickle heart]

I've seen this topic pop up in spaces before, and it's most often "I wish martials had a way to interact with an aspect of the game that only casters can", as opposed to actually wanting concentration itself on martials.

[scenic zinc]

No. Unless you provide improvements all you're doing is making the game worse for martials.

[valid geyser]

I think if this is under the sssumption if we’re starting from the ground up and it always existed and was balanced around it, I think it wouldn’t be the worst to have non caster concentration as a more prevalent thing. Idk if it’s better or worse

[scenic zinc]

What improvements are you suggesting?

Or do you just want to tag concentration onto existing things?

[valid geyser]

I doubt that’s what they meant

[lavish flame]

I feel like there is an implied litany of changes in my messages that many others are reading but you are not.

[fickle heart]

Not to make assumptions about the goal, but what type of actual abilities would exist within the martial concentration space? I can think of Monk potentially using it, but not many others unless it was reframed from concentration.

[scenic zinc]

You're not making any suggestions. You said rage. That exists. What improvements are you suggesting?

[jovial shadow]

Not really. Previously spells were simply foiled when the caster was hit or running, no saving throw.

[scenic zinc]

I'm talking about 5e.

[fickle heart]

Concentration was indeed added to avoid buff stacking and the like.

[scenic zinc]

Additionally, Gwyn, I'm not trying to come across as aggressive. Sorry if it's being seen that way. I did not infer any kind of improvements from what you've said so far, which is why I keep asking.

[lavish flame]

Like, its not 5e but you slap concentration onto martial abilities. I am talking about redesigning the martials to include Concentration as part of the game they interact with. Maybe Fighters get a "battle focus" feature which buffs them in exchange for their Concentration. Maybe Barbarians natively get Frenzy for their Concentration. Maybe Monks buff themself for a minute while using their Concentration.

[fickle heart]

I also would like to toss in the ring that there's a pretty big difference between "uses concentration" and "is mutually exclusive with concentration".

[scenic zinc]

So like favored foe from tashas ranger?

[lavish flame]

Yeah but not... 1d4 damage or whatever it was

[fickle heart]

The real question for the former is "What benefit does it add?" where I think the latter's benefits are pretty clear.

[scenic zinc]

Right... so it would need to be a pretty hefty improvement.

[lavish flame]

Like ideally this is for a big buff ability or new attack type or something

[scenic zinc]

At this point it just sounds like martial powers from 4e

[lavish flame]

You're hitting the nail on the head tbh

I'm pretty open about wanting more 4e in 5e

[fickle heart]

I do think a deconstructing question is: Is this to add things to the game or is it because casters have concentration?

[scenic zinc]

4e ended way too soon imo

If it had lasted a couple more years I think we'd maybe only now be getting a 5e

[fickle heart]

Keep in mind I'm a "composition radical" when it comes to games, so it's not the deviation from the norm that may turn me off.

[burnt valley]

How long did 3.5e last again

[lavish flame]

Its kinda both? Casters use Concentration to get huge potent abilities off. It mostly exists as a stopgap for Casters getting too nutty. I think elevating Martial abilities to a similar level, using the same Concentration subsystem the game already has, just seems natural.

[scenic zinc]

Like... 2003 to 2008 iirc?

[fickle heart]

But what martial abilities would be elevated? It would basically be entirely limited to buffs by fantasy.

[burnt valley]

Oh that seems very short

[uncut pasture]

Guys
What happened to Versatile Weapon Fighting Style?

[glass granite]

Didn’t know that ever existed

[scenic zinc]

Eh? No such thing afaik

[noble basin]

do you mean dueling?

[umbral girder]

That isn’t a thing? Or is this from an older edition?

[uncut pasture]

No way I am hallucinating

[scenic zinc]

Better term is misremembering.

Hallucinations are pretty serious lol

[umbral girder]

Do you mean great weapon fighting style?

[noble basin]

i mean that one doesnt even work with versatile weapons

[woven flint]

The dueling fighting style does indeed work with versatile weapons if you're using them one-handed

[umbral girder]

It does

[noble basin]

huh i guess it does im just ly ing

[uncut pasture]

Nevermind
It's homebrew

[noble basin]

i thought it specified heavy but thats gwm

[umbral girder]

When you roll a 1 or 2 on a damage die for an attack you make with a melee weapon that you are wielding with two hands, you can reroll the die and must use the new roll, even if the new roll is a 1 or a 2. The weapon must have the two-handed or versatile property for you to gain this benefit.

Basically it has to be held with 2 hands. This is the 2014 version

But the 2024 one also works.

[glass granite]

Neutral evil

[scenic zinc]

If he says the intent is to be evil, they're evil lol

[burnt valley]

Is a Monk class that uses abstract concepts as weapons been done yet

[real meteor]

Hm

[scenic zinc]

Not all evil is done to extract joy from causing pain (sadism)

[noble basin]

please provide an example

[glass granite]

I remember punching people with my fists, but not the concept of capitalism yet

Not particularly

[noble basin]

not necessarily

[scenic zinc]

Not necessarily.

Sadism is evil. Not all evil is sadistic.

[burnt valley]

Punch something with the concept of death

[glass granite]

You can burn the world down for their riches and eternal power, but that doesn’t mean you enjoy the process of murder

[golden silo]

What is witchfire?

[glass granite]

Mercy monk?

[scenic zinc]

Generally speaking? Anti societal actions.

[woven flint]

Long Death Monk

[glass granite]

Oh this definitely

[scenic zinc]

In real life, for real people?

[glass granite]

Touch of Long Death fits it perfectly

[scenic zinc]

I wish it was more rare.

[shut turret]

I have arrived

[glass granite]

It’s a Long Death monk feature

[woven flint]

Long Death is a Monk subclass

[glass granite]

Release arrived this moment!

[scenic zinc]

Longcat is long.

[shut turret]

Thousand dollar ransom

[woven flint]

Catlong

[stark tundra]

I mean to an extent yeah but in my opinion it's up to the dm

[lone coral]

Got my 2024 PHB, DMG, and MM today. They're chunky, much chunkier than the 2014 set

[scenic zinc]

Evil people are still people.

[fickle heart]

I mean, that depends on how you define "compassion", which gets into rabbit holes of psychology.

[scenic zinc]

They just do evil things.

[stark tundra]

Thanks it's a princess and her paladin

You are bad guy but that does not mean you are bad guy

[scenic zinc]

... huh

[stark tundra]

Yee it's a old DND players pc

[uncut niche]

what channel would be best to ask how to do something in dnd beyond relating to my character? i cant figure out how to make/set something on a character sheet

[stark tundra]

Here id say

[scenic zinc]

https://discord.com/channels/516367331358801950/520322372327440405

Maybe

[uncut niche]

ty!

[stark tundra]

Ah yeah

[hot marlin]

I've had an idea for a bad guy with non-standard rewards. A demon lord who is an archmage, a master of magical research and theory who invented a lot of what I would call "meta-spells", in the sense that they're spells that work on magic. Beating him gives the players the ability to loot his spellbooks and copy his custom spells.
The ideas I've had are:

• Magical orb that sucks in magic projectiles that get within twenty feet of it and nullifies them
• A dispel magic that deals damage to the target of the dispel, the more powerful the spell dispelled the higher the damage
• A spell cast as a reaction to being targetted by a magic attack, that counterspells it and creates a series of magic missiles that strike the original caster
• A spell that targets someone concentrating on a spell, and if they lose concentration they take damage any time they want to cast a spell

[stark tundra]

Ok here's a question does a dispell magic turn off a warforged

[hot marlin]

Is it a stupid idea?...

[hot marlin]

No.

[stark tundra]

Nah I'd say it's a good idea

[empty thicket]

jejejeje
The wizard rubbing his hands wanting that spell book so badly
The demon:

[hot marlin]

I'd kinda like to focus on the idea that he's interested in meta-magic. Not in the sorcerer sense, but in the sense of being magic that targets other magic. I'd need other spell ideas of course

[empty thicket]

i will in his moment if i can, with the flavored warforged i want to do (a living armor) that if i get into a dispell magic area i would get only 0 feets.
or half speed, im still working on it

[uncut niche]

can smith's tools really help make any non magical heavy armor? just asking since im looking at the heavy armor options and plate mail is alot of gp

[burnt valley]

Aoe dispel magic where it dispels all magical effects within a 20ft sphere emanation of the user also momentarily shutting down magic items regardless of friend or foe inside the emanation for one round

[still plover]

https://www.dndbeyond.com/equipment/438-smiths-tools
https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/dnd/br-2024/equipment#CraftingEquipment

[jovial shadow]

That's not how dispel magic works. You are just describing Anti-magic

[uncut niche]

idk how i missed the crafting equipment part, ty

[orchid solstice]

Hey guys when using the find steed spell and I limited to the preset options or am I able to use any medium creature?

[slate vector]

Yoo how's it going

[split junco]

Does anyone have expirence making monsters?

I really need help just making a very simple creature nothing crazy something level 1 players can take

[umbral girder]

Well what do you need to monster to do before homebrewing one?

[split junco]

Can I dm

[umbral girder]

Sure.

[crimson gulch]

I just use kobold stats and reflavor it for level one encounters

[worn lagoon]

finished making my first homebrew subclass wahoo

[empty thicket]

Seeing my paladin manifest a Rhea out of nowhere to ride it into the battle

[stray atlas]

random thought

are there any liches with a default good alignment?

[split junco]

The litch from adventure time when he got turned to sweet pea? But no I haven't seen one at least, though that be interesting a misunderstood lich who missed his love ones

[still plover]

Liches should be individual as dragons or beholders.

[umbral girder]

Amusingly I gave a similar bit of advice.

But with wolves and they grapple instead of prone.

[empty thicket]

he didnt turned good tho, just, inoffensive

[split junco]

Sweat pea is good

[remote matrix]

If dnd beyond offered a way to transport your physical copy books into the app how happy would you be

[hidden spindle]

I'll be going to the library straight away

[still plover]

Twig blights!

[keen cave]

Can we all agree it’s pathetic when so called friends try to drag you down for being special?

[woeful halo]

Idk what I’ve walked into, but yes

[keen cave]

Like jeez, They always say ‘You’re better than this’ they are just upset that the amulet of evil blood and hatred chose me and not them

[woeful halo]

PFFFF

Idk about that one actually

You do you but maybe heed the “evil” part

[lyric viper]

I was a bit worried by where this was going, but I'm pleasantly surprised.

Everyone's waiting for some traumatic event and evil villian to spark them into being a hero- why wait? You can just be the villian.

[woeful halo]

You know what, I can respect that

[knotty pasture]

Be the villain the heroes needed to spark conflict with

[molten pumice]

"They didn't start calling me a 'barbarian' because of my level headedness and excellent people skills. I have a serious anger problem."

[woeful halo]

XD

[woven flint]

Behold!!!

Me.

[woven flint]

They give me a whole ass speech about how I was a good person and then I hit them with the "Nah, I think I like the new me" then boss music ensues

[lavish flame]

over the moon

[blissful dragon]

anyone done thing for a character of i have being hearing about in manga recently of bbg wipes out a village or town then for some reason decide to raise a child that survied and is trying to hide the fact they are the bbg from the grown up child that dreamed of being a hero

i feel i have seen 3 mangas that are playing with that idea recently and was curious if anyone ever played with that idea for their dnd character

[snow zephyr]

It would be cool if there was a code or something in the back of the book

[tranquil temple]

Does anyone have some fun rp tradition or “feature” they do? Trying to make it more fun or rewarding for my players

[blissful dragon]

they said the reason they dont do that is cause they would then have to bubble wrap the book to prevent being just stealing the code and people have a look inside at the game store is a big part of people deicding if they want to buy that book

[uncut herald]

Hello everyone

[snow zephyr]

Idk, some books are shrink wrapped anyway

[blissful dragon]

tuesday dm always has a dragon fight each anniversary of campaigns

[blissful dragon]

are those the box set ones?

[snow zephyr]

But I can't think of a good way to do a 1:1 digital rules from the books you buy without doing some kind of redeemable code

[quasi dome]

If you buy both the physical and digital edition at DDB there’s a substantial discount

[remote matrix]

Give your players a nightmare about a villain or someone completely unrelated and never bring it up again

[snow zephyr]

A false hydra eating the actual BBEG would be extremely funny

[woeful heart]

im kind of scared dming with strangers and infront of my friends on vc ive never done it before is it normal?

[quasi dome]

The people you’re playing with want to help you do well at it

They want you to have fun and they want to create scenes that give you something interesting to react to

They’re just looking for an excuse to entertain you; all you have to do is give it to them

[minor cargo]

I’ve DM’ed with strangers, friends, recorded for podcasts, unstreamed, streamed, streamed for charity, and probably other iterations lol

And I still get goosebumps and butterflies in my stomach. But I know once I start, I’m gonna hit my groove.

I’m sure you’ll find a way to get through it. 😤

[sullen ingot]

Did we not have a channel to talk about homebrew magic items? I have one my DM gave me, that I'm trying to input into dndbeyond, but I want to make sure it's written in a way that works in the rules

[minor cargo]

#homebrew ✌️

[sullen ingot]

Thank you. It was for some reason not on my channel list

[blissful dragon]

its perfectly normal to be nervious about if it not something your used to yet

[empty thicket]

"I am in fact a starter of necromancer, i just need to figure out the whole rise from the dead thing. The getting bodies for it i got it, i just kill them", The fighter that have 0 magic skills

[meager fractal]

Would vampire sharks be immune to damage from running water?

[glass granite]

I’d say no

[blissful dragon]

i would say its like space pirate vampires and they work differrnt than normal vampires

[lavish flame]

Probably or else there wouldn't be vampire sharks

[crimson gulch]

No they would fly over it

[still plover]

We had a flying shark encounter once. Turns out a dagger tied to a staff doesn't do as much damage as a spear and barrels of regular wine aren't explosive.

[empty thicket]

I guess it was a really big shake for you all world.

its flammable some alcohols, yes
A spear work for a reason
Considerate firebolt it and will get in flames

[crimson gulch]

My players have a barrel of 240 proof Dwarven spirits

[empty thicket]

idk what concern me more
They having it, how they got it or why they have it

[uneven mortar]

hi!

[livid owl]

What sentient enemy race would y'all consider playing as if you had that option?

Neogi?
Strigoi?
Cloaker?
Gnoll?
Aartuk?
Dohwar?
A type of devil, mayhaps? (Ok ignore gnolls as being fiends too)

[blissful dragon]

dohwar , people already made playable gnolls

[woven flint]

Gnolls are Demons

[livid owl]

Tokii ...
Did you read with your eyes..... /Silly

[woven flint]

Gnoll would make the most logistical sense though because we've had playable Minotaurs

[woven flint]

Indeed, I have, you said Devils, I just wanted to say Gnolls are demons :>

[livid owl]

I said fiends!!!

[woven flint]

I'm aware

No, what I mean is, you mentioned playable fiends, Gnolls would be logistical, as I don't think I could see playable DEVILS

[livid owl]

Checkmate.... You win this time, Tokii, Lord of Goofy

[woven flint]

And Gnolls are demons so it's kinda hard to justify them too.

[teal cloud]

Hello guys, uh. Do you think making my character freeze whenever his friends are in danger. He's an ancient giant.

Half giant

[woven flint]

Tieflings are the closest to and frankly, the only needed "playable fiends" imo.

[blissful dragon]

th crooked moon book has a playable fiend that are apprantly a offshoot of imps

called ashborn

[livid owl]

Imps subjectively better than tielfings /silly

[blissful dragon]

the art in the book has one playing a fiddle

[woven flint]

We don't need playable Celestials or Fiends because let's be real
Aasimar and Tieflings are frankly fine enough

There's already too many edgy tiefling characters anywho

[blissful dragon]

thats why we need more options to diverisy the edgyness

[livid owl]

Anyways if you like your DM could probably let your character roll a saving throw to avoid the Frightened condition every time a PC is hit for half their hp

I'd make it a roll and make it really circumstantial so it isn't super detrimental to gameplay

[teal cloud]

Oh cool.

[livid owl]

Normalize more playable aberrations 👏

[woven flint]

We've got a Playable Monstrosity, Ooze, Fey, Aberration, Construct and Aasimar and Tieflings exist.

We don't really need undead either because Dhampir and Reborn

[livid owl]

Actually I forget
The one 3rd party book with cyclopians (basically nothics) are they aberrations?

[woven flint]

Yes.

[livid owl]

Schweet

[woven flint]

I've played one lmao

[livid owl]

SCHWEET

I wanna play one but then again I wanna play. Too many things

[teal cloud]

I think my DM doesn't know the hit points of a dragon, I killed it with a cantrip💀

[livid owl]

I had a DM who let us talk down a dragon with 1 persuasion roll once

It wasn't even a nat 20

[teal cloud]

Jeez lol

[livid owl]

Don't get me wrong, nice guy, just maybe a little too laid back for my taste in games

[woven flint]

Dragons are very prideful.
It's definitely take more than one Persuasion checks to get one to change its mind, considering how they think they're above everyone else lol

[livid owl]

Anyways if I had to choose from this list, and I've considered Neogi and Cloaker already, I think. Aartuk I want the weird weird guys

[woven flint]

And some dragons are very unreasonable

White and Black dragons in Particular

[livid owl]

I think it was a green dragon?

But yeah full adult dragon
We were level 3

[woven flint]

Green Dragons are fairly intelligent

(Not to say Black Dragons aren't smart, they just like murder above everything else)

[knotty pasture]

Who's the playable monstrosity and aberration again

[woven flint]

Thri-Kreen and new Kalasthar

[teal cloud]

Maybe jabberwock faced a green dragon

[coarse ravine]

We still dont have a gnoll race.

One day......

[woven flint]

We don't need one, literally flavor any species you feel has gnollish traits

[knotty pasture]

Wicked

[woven flint]

I do also think we should at the same time because we have Minotaurs and Minotaur and Gnolls hate eachother

It'd be hilarious to have both in one party

[livid owl]

Didn't eberron have non-yeenoghu affiliated gnolls that were more chill? Or am I tripping

[coarse ravine]

I mean if they made OathBreaker paladins cannon... when they were initially supposed to be evil. I understand Yeenoghu lore goes deeper then a subclass

But.. come on we should have gnolls

[livid owl]

Oh don't bring up oath breaker
Most people here do Not view it as a truly player character class 💀

Tbf it does have antiquated rules associated with it
Like needing the evil alignment to spec into it

[coarse ravine]

Personally as a dm I would prefer it if the dm gave you that. With a dm to player understanding of course.

Like you start as something else but thats a dm to player given ability etc.

[teal cloud]

Isnt a lich an undead wizard class

[marble lion]

If i had to pick a gnoll reflavour race, it would be orc i think

[livid owl]

Bg3 rules. I agree

[woven flint]

Yes and No.
Liches are typically undead wizards, but it's not a wizard subclass

[coarse ravine]

Lizardfolk for me just on appetite alone

[marble lion]

Or leonin

[woven flint]

Leonin would probably be the worst for gnoll tbh

[marble lion]

Its about mechanics though, not both being hungry

[woven flint]

Leonin needs a reprint badly

[teal cloud]

Well, its literally just an enemy lol

[marble lion]

Why

[woven flint]

Leonin is just.. bad.

[marble lion]

Doesnt it have bite, claw and a roar/hoel

[coarse ravine]

Tabaxi maybe? What's the most thing like a hyena? Or a dog?

[marble lion]

Whats so bad about it

[marble lion]

Mechanics
Why does the animal optic matter

[woven flint]

Weak unarmed strike, once per long rest roar fear, a generally worthless skill Proficiency.

[marble lion]

Whats the skill

[woven flint]

Athletics.

[marble lion]

How is that worthless?

[coarse ravine]

I think pack tactics would be good. Not that kobolds can bite

[woven flint]

Are you kidding?

[marble lion]

No seriously

[coarse ravine]

But for a gnoll race yeah pack tactics

[marble lion]

I did instantly think pack tactics but it cant be a small race

[coarse ravine]

No it cant

Bug bear?

[woven flint]

Whens the last time you've rolled an Athletics check?

[marble lion]

Are you serious tokii

[woven flint]

You roll more Strength saves than you do Athletics checks.

[marble lion]

What

[woven flint]

Yes?
Especially with 2024 rules.

[marble lion]

Youre killing me here

[woven flint]

How? Why?

[marble lion]

Ok i play 14 so i dont know about that

[coarse ravine]

• most dms will allow acrobatics then strength

[woven flint]

^^^

[marble lion]

But athletics is like the most used skill along with stealth and perception/survival

[woven flint]

It's good in 2014, but just worthless in 2024 rolls because grapples are saves now.

[marble lion]

That makes a huge diff yeah

[cerulean monolith]

Most seems like an exaggeration

[coarse ravine]

Perception most used by far

[knotty pasture]

Survival isn't used that much personally

[marble lion]

But even then any strength feat uses athletics

[cerulean monolith]

Given that, by the rules, Acrobatics and Athletics do entirely different things

[coarse ravine]

65/35 id say

[marble lion]

Pushing, breaking, pulling,

[woven flint]

Perception, Stealth
MAYBE Arcana and some other Intelligence checks?

[knotty pasture]

Arcana is used more

[coarse ravine]

Maybe closer to 55/45

[cerulean monolith]

It’s rare I see DMs offering a choice

[marble lion]

Athletics i call for about 4 times a session i feel like

[crimson gulch]

My players use every skill and so many tools during the games

[cerulean monolith]

Also, Grappling still uses Athletics

[marble lion]

Dms who allow acrobatics for the real musclestuff are strange

[woven flint]

Because you play 2014 rules 😔

[marble lion]

Yeah but even without grapple

[woven flint]

To escape grapples, yes, but they can use Acrobatics to the same extent

[marble lion]

If theyre dex

[woven flint]

It's still a CHOICE for the monster and player

[marble lion]

Thats an important condition

[woven flint]

Honestly?...
I think grappling is overrated

[coarse ravine]

Well for climbing it depends. Like rock climbing is a absolute athletics. They've shown where pro mountain climbers can hang with strongmen on back day.

[marble lion]

But saying athletics is useless in skill checks is really not reflecting my experience

[glass granite]

Gasp

[coarse ravine]

But climbing over a log can be acrobaticsm

[marble lion]

I do not mean climbing

[glass granite]

Them fighting words /hj

[marble lion]

Those things i actually do accept acrobatics for

To represent lean lowbodyweight builds

[abstract beacon]

Is bladesinger wizard worth it? It seems fun and I was thinking of asking my dm if I can use a mix and match of 2024 and 2014 rules for it

[woven flint]

Okay, useless is an overexaggeration, but it and Acrobatics are just.. meh skills to me? I always hesitate to choose either

[marble lion]

Youre mad

[cerulean monolith]

Having one is a must for escaping grapples

[woven flint]

Not at all?
Everyone's allowed to have an opinion

[marble lion]

Ive never had a player who didnt pick their physical skill for their build

[glass granite]

I have
Plenty

[woven flint]

You can still escape grapples without Proficiency in either

[cerulean monolith]

So many enemies grapple, and a lot of them apply extra conditions like Restrained

[marble lion]

Its not said in a serious tone dont worry

[cerulean monolith]

Yeah, but it’ll be a lot harder. Especially if you’re not a STR or DEX-forward build

[coarse ravine]

I feel like every adventurer should be proficient in con saves. Just based on health alone. However one could also say for rp you should also be proficient in at least one of the two acrobatics or athletics. But it is true I rarely takethem myself.

[woven flint]

There's also other ways to escape...
Like teleportation, people shoving the grappler away also breaks grapples, ect.

[glass granite]

I like taking acrobatics cuz backflip

[marble lion]

Any action that is raw strength, not bodycontrol or movement, absolutely needs athletics

Breaking something, moving an object, throwing heavy stuff

These things are rare in your games?

[cerulean monolith]

Playing a LifeCleric, for example, I might only have 15 STR and 14 DEX for armor. I would much prefer not to only have a +2 to escape a grapple

[woven flint]

There's more ways to break grapples than needing Proficiency in a skill.

[marble lion]

Rarer than medicine or animal handling?

[coarse ravine]

Druids just ride the wave

[marble lion]

I think most skills are pretty relevant

[coarse ravine]

Spell tho....

[glass granite]

I like grappling back :D
what happens then again?

[marble lion]

I just think athletics is one of the more frequent ones

[cerulean monolith]

Of course? But the supposition was that proficiency in those skills were “useless”

[tacit pike]

lowkey fire attacks should set people on fire

[cerulean monolith]

They kiss, probably

[coarse ravine]

What's the worst skill to be proficient in? The skill I've heard called the least would have to be... hmmm

[woven flint]

I retracted that statement, actually and said I just think they're meh and don't wanna take them on my characters.

[coarse ravine]

Religion? Maybe is called the least? Or medicine

[glass granite]

Yeah it’s one of the two for me too

[woven flint]

The one I see least used is Medicine, but it's decent for finding out how something died or whatever

[glass granite]

I don’t think acrobatics or athletics is great or bad. They just exist.

[cerulean monolith]

Animal Handling, Nature, and Religion see the least use in my experience

[cerulean monolith]

Medicine is huge in parties that don’t have healers, or low level parties in general

[glass granite]

A lot of my games are set in forests. So nature comes up a bit for me.
and my party likes pets so animal handling

[coarse ravine]

Survival and nature go hand in hand.
Investigation and perception go hand in hand
(To an extent^)
All the charisma profficiencies are what they are. (Could argue performance here with non bard parties)

[woven flint]

Religion is a weird one among those..
Its for checks against Undead, Fiends (and Celestials but I'm not counting them for this) are the most common enemy types

[cerulean monolith]

Religion is useful if your party doesn’t get butthurt when they don’t attack on a turn

[coarse ravine]

Yes ill allow you to find something using survival. But to know what it is would be nature

[abstract beacon]

Should I prioritize dexterity or con with bladesinger?

After intelligence ofc

[marble lion]

As much as i love it, animal handling for me

[woven flint]

Con.

High AC doesn't help if you don't have HP to back it

[abstract beacon]

Noted

[coarse ravine]

Im a druid... as a druid i rarely take animal handling. Prolly at a 25% rate i will take nature.

[marble lion]

That might be due to a trend in the games im in though
Animal enemies are rarely used and if so, controlled by hostile humanoids so its unlikely youll take over

[coarse ravine]

Im usually a insight, survival, perception, and investigation or arcana guy.

[marble lion]

I also just refuse to put canine enemies in

[coarse ravine]

Hell hounds are great

[marble lion]

Im fine with it but most of my friends dont like killing dogs

[coarse ravine]

When they breath that fresh fire breath they will see^

[marble lion]

I meant like relatable canids not demons and stuff

[coarse ravine]

Gotcha.

[marble lion]

Though if there ever is an unowned animal, you bet they will instantly do animalhandling lol

[woven flint]

I might sound crazy but...
I'm okay with killing fictional dogs lol

[marble lion]

I said i was too youre fine

[coarse ravine]

I don't either to be fair if a dm throws that at my party. I will stop everyone lmfao. Call me a bad player or whatever but its me and the beast moment. Yall ain't killing him....

[marble lion]

I think the death whimpers can get a bit much.... but its still ok

[coarse ravine]

He can get to steppin... watch us or join us.. but yall ain't killing him lol

[woven flint]

No real dogs are hurt so it's no sweat off my brow lmao

[marble lion]

Imagine if instead of combat grunts and stuff, humans you kill put on a whole sob show

Im talking "dismembering a little girl" sob show

[woven flint]

"My wife.. my kids... will never see their devote-"

"Oh my DIVINES, shut up so I can loot you already!"

[marble lion]

Thats what those dog whimpers sound like to me

[cerulean monolith]

I crushed a Tressym to death once. Party wasn’t happy with me 🙁

[marble lion]

NOOO

Not tressyms
Why
I wouldnt be happy either

Unless it was an enemy combatant i guess

[coarse ravine]

I recently heard of this stupid broken animal "onyx" cr 0. You could throw him at the party.... they cant kill it if they wanted to.

[woven flint]

I'm not a cat person so..

Yes, even with my pfp, I'm not really a cat enjoyer 💀

[cerulean monolith]

They were weaponizing their pet Tressym. Had her helping to aim the ballistae on their ship. So, when the Tressym was sitting on the hull of the ship… and was within range of a treant’s rock throw attack… I just couldn’t help myself

[marble lion]

Im a cat person

[woven flint]

I like some cats I've met, not all of em though

[marble lion]

Dogs dont get me
Only cats do

[cerulean monolith]

Pop went the kitty!

[marble lion]

I like both a lot though

[coarse ravine]

Dogs are domesticated tho and read our feelings like we can read theirs. Cats dont give a f

[woven flint]

I hope your Hollyphant gets curbstomped, respectfully btw

[marble lion]

Yes exactly. Dogs dont get me. Cats do

[coarse ravine]

Cats are not beneath us on alpha-alpha. They aren't our best friends

[cerulean monolith]

my hollyphant? I would’ve been happy if we killed it when we met it

[coarse ravine]

They do their own thing lol

[marble lion]

Tbf i grew up with at least 2 cats at all times from birth that i saw more of than my dad

[woven flint]

Who wanted to spare it again? 😭
Was it Ophid?

[coarse ravine]

Dogs have emotions tho. Thats what makes them great

[marble lion]

Did i stutter

[woven flint]

All animals are capable of emotion

[coarse ravine]

This is true... but ya dont even have to ask. You know when a dog ate that trash

[robust gate]

Hi everyone I just spawned in

[marble lion]

I think hes saying dogs have greater extent than cats

This chat is now graceful

[woven flint]

Wat da hail

Welcome to hell

[glass granite]

Nice one

[marble lion]

Im glad you like it

[coarse ravine]

What are you a spawn of?

[glass granite]

Hello stranger. Welcome to…wherever this place is

[robust gate]

That was perfect thank you

[woven flint]

Asmodeus, clearly

I'm a spawn of...
Bhaal!
Yes! I'm THE Murder hobo!!!!!

[upbeat vector]

heyyyy I’m new just thought I’d say hi I’m gonna read all the rules and how to play stuff in a sec

[woven flint]

Welcome!

[verbal flicker]

Hi

[robust gate]

I’m new too! We can be new together

[marble lion]

I just wanted him to hit me with his classic dadjoke

[woven flint]

Nothing but love for you, Haise 🫡

[idle oar]

Let's keep things on topic folks

[upbeat vector]

Yayyy warning tho I’m a bit of a slow learner 😂😂

[idle oar]

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[cosmic roost]

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[woven flint]

@upbeat vector @robust gate
May you friends have plentiful fun games ahead of ye in the foreseeable future

[upbeat vector]

Thankyou lord of goofy

[woven flint]

It's my pleasure, I'm trying to make it into a Pantheon at some point.

Actually, I've had a character achieve deityhood post-campaign
He's the God of Druids and Change in that campaign, the dm decided to immortalize him :>

[robust gate]

That’s so dope

[woven flint]

His husband is still mortal, but it's okay, he still walks the lands with him

[empty thicket]

True
Guys, is ethical getting some poisonous animal and sell the poison for money?¿

[marble lion]

God of druids who doesnt like cats.... i definitely will stick with sylvanas

Ok time for dnd podcast and long redt, goodnight, i think thats ethical fracnco

[woven flint]

No, he loves all creatures,
He's my Dark Elf Druid, the fella cursed and turned into a beast man?
Have I told you about him?

He became a diety because he had good-standing with a court of Archfey

[robust gate]

I just finished up making a Druid last night, like my 7th character I’ve made but my first Druid - I try and change it up every time with the classes although bard is definitely my favorite

[woven flint]

My Druid was a Wildfire Druid

[robust gate]

That’s so cool!

[woven flint]

Druids are fun

[robust gate]

This particular campaign we’re starting at level 1 so I haven’t locked in which subclass I want to do yet

[coarse ravine]

My favorite one si much versatility after level 6.

[coarse ravine]

2014 or 2024?

[robust gate]

2014

[woven flint]

I don't really have any suggestions, Druids one of those you really pick from heart

[coarse ravine]

Then you gotta do it man

[woven flint]

Pick what your ideal of a Druid is

[coarse ravine]

Go full moon! 🌙

[woven flint]

Stars is also fun

[coarse ravine]

Yes was just saying if they've never experienced tbe moon or played druid. Its worth doing

[woven flint]

Circle of Dreams can be a bit rough, but it's very nice for a party that gets plentiful rest

[coarse ravine]

I dont play moon to nerf myself and I like wildfire alot!!!

[native jolt]

whats goodie my gangalangs

[coarse ravine]

But if you've never played drhid moon is the way to go to really experience that power of the beast!

[robust gate]

Taking notes I really appreciate you guys

[coarse ravine]

But yes @robust gate what do you feel like playing as a druid?

[woven flint]

You don't have to choose right away, sometimes it's best to let it naturally form

Pun intended...

[rose wedge]

Considered a spores druid for my plague doctor type but settling on either death cleric or alchemist artificier.

[woven flint]

Death Cleric

[rose wedge]

But my brother is playing a druid and I urge you to NOT sleep on Spike Growth. So strong.

[coarse ravine]

True but level 2 is subclass time. That usually happens after first session or couple.

[coarse ravine]

The problem with spores is action vs bonus action

All the others have a bonus action activation

[robust gate]

Necromancyyy so cool

[coarse ravine]

Most.... wildfire is action too. But it does something on activated, and can use it again on bonus. So turns not totally wasted.

But moon and stars is bonus so its very useful

[robust gate]

I know my Druid will be the only healer and she has a background in battlefield medicine but she was also shunned from her tribe and she’s a half-orc so she’s not really accepted in most places but found her place in a small group of druids where she studied so I think moon could be fitting for her tapping into her more orc-ish traits perhaps

[rose wedge]

Oh right I can't post pics in here. I was gonna post two examples of Spike Growth absolutely cleaning an encounter up.

[humble cairn]

Any subclass works, really. Is that the play style you want?

[coarse ravine]

Yes be sure to take flaming sphere. So then you can cast flaming sphere then wildshape. Then attack and use the flaming sphere to attack with a bonus action.

Same concept as this is with aura of vitality you can heal while you are in your wildshape.

[robust gate]

You’re all so wise this is very helpful

[rose wedge]

This server is useful, yes.

[nocturne cosmos]

can anyone help me out on finding a group to play dnd with im a ranger im new to dnd and dont know much but i really wanna do a campaign and im looking for ppl

[rose wedge]

I have like 60 recorded hours of DnD but it's all rogue so it's going to be a long time before I can give advice on other classes from personal experience.

[robust gate]

You’re so real for that

[rose wedge]

Who's got that new macro for pyt.

[idle oar]

Look for game posts in #looking-for-players and #looking-for-community

If you find one that's interesting, reach out to the poster and direct message them or use the thread attached to the game post to indicate interest

[coarse ravine]

Essentially
Moon= becoming the alpha beast

Wildfire= wildfire companion that can teleport and can cast your spells for you and help heal. (Great healer)

Stars= power from the stars versatile spellcaster prolly best spellcasting druid. (Great healer)

Shephard = controlling and summoning the beasts instead of becoming them (great healer)

Spores = thp druid necromancer adjacent. Focuses on the decaying style of nature.

[nocturne cosmos]

ive been trying that its just hard to find any tbh

[gray granite]

are these stats op (Swords Bard):
CHA: 18 (+4)
DEX: 16 (+3)
CON: 14 (+2)
WIS: 13 (+0)
STR: 9 (-1)
INT: 12 (+1)

[livid owl]

just gotta watch and wait honestly
Takes time sometimes, I'm hitting a wall cuz everyone wants it either too early in the day or on fridays 😭

[livid owl]

usually the dm has an upper and lower limit on rolled stats, but just on cursory glance no not op
I've had 20 dexterity at level 3 before with a good roll + racial bonuses

[robust gate]

Thank you!!

[rough basalt]

Looks like good stats for a sword bard

[gray granite]

I've asked my DM, its fine by her, I just don't want my character to be to op.

[hushed mason]

A full 10 points more than what I give my players to buy stats with.

[coarse ravine]

Just know druid is the second best healers in the game. Dont worry about healing. Pick the character you want to play and healing will be natural

[livid owl]

You can have AMAZING modifiers and still fail rolls epicly, don't worry about it 😂

[coarse ravine]

Healing word is your friend along with aura of vitality

[gray granite]

Ok thanks

[gray granite]

It's rolled

[lyric idol]

Truer words never spoken.

[empty thicket]

true strike would make you into a monster with that 18 ngl, make your hits giga dangerous

[gray granite]

I'm not minmaxing the build or anything, and I just pick spells that are thematic for my character

[livid owl]

yeah you're good man

[gray granite]

So I think I'll be fine

[coarse ravine]

When the wizard nat 1s the investigation. But the barbarian rolls a 19 -1 lol

[rose wedge]

Minmaxing and themes can coexist.

[gray granite]

thx

[livid owl]

ACTUALLY happened with my family's dnd game the other day LOL

[gray granite]

I know, I'm just not

[rose wedge]

Just saying to not worry about it.

[empty thicket]

that is fine, i kinda do the same with my characters in terms of feats//spells

[woven flint]

I should play more greedy healer types

"Yeah, I'll heal you, but it'll cost ya 5 gold!"
Or
"Yeah, I'll heal you if you beg!"
I find it very fun lmao

[robust gate]

There’s nothing funnier than when a character rolls a nat 20 on something they should NOT be good at

[rose wedge]

healdomm energy.

[livid owl]

oh that's diabolically funny

[gray granite]

What are the ways to get feats in 2014 dnd?

[woven flint]

I have a Yuan-Ti Alchemist fellow who likes to constantly remind people everything he's done for them healing service wise as it fuels his ego.

[coarse ravine]

Nah... its hilarious when someone rolls a 1 when they have bane or a dump stat. Their roll on the check or save is like a -2 lol

[livid owl]

"Did SOMEBODY say MEATLOAF"
Hits the bullseye after consecutive failures
I hope someone here knows the reference I'm making but I think it's relevant regardless

[rough basalt]

Generally hitting the levels that give feats, keep in mind feats in 2014 are optional, but most dms allow them unless they say otherwise.

[robust gate]

True!

[empty thicket]

welp, in my group we do the Feat//stats thing, you can chose the ASI or the feat
And i mostly had taken feats related to the story of my character, keen mind, lucky and giant's strike

[rough basalt]

There's optional ways to get feats on the DMs side that I've never personally seen a DM do.

[empty thicket]

Dm gave us a free feat for being able to unalive smartly a giant and give him lots of fun like a new group

[gray granite]

What feats would you recomend

[robust gate]

There’s a character I have in the works that’s a reluctant healer because she generally dislikes everybody lol

[coarse ravine]

Aborant dragonmark and to be lucky with your rolls

[rough basalt]

For what kind of character

[empty thicket]

for a bard?
in 2014?

[rough basalt]

Oh 2014 Bard

[gray granite]

yea

[rough basalt]

War Caster for sure

[gray granite]

College of Swords

[coarse ravine]

Then yes warcaster

[rough basalt]

Still, in 5e, all casters take Warcaster.

[rose wedge]

I swear my college of swords but that's my BG3 character talking. God they were powerful/.

Talking through every interaction and basically functioned like a Dex rogue in combat.

[coarse ravine]

Not all but sword weilding yes

[rough basalt]

I'd say all

2014 kinda has an issue where a few feats are basically mandatory while a lot are just not worth taking

[jovial shadow]

No they do not

[short glade]

Today I think I learned that knowledge Cleric is gonna be my go to OTB.

[coarse ravine]

Im a resilient in con mandatory level 4 player

[woven flint]

He also dislikes most people, but hey, more people means less chances of him dying lol

[rose wedge]

What is otb

[short glade]

Over the board.

[gray granite]

what other feats?

[rose wedge]

Well I know just as much as before. I don't know what that means either.

[woven flint]

I have a Tortle Knowledge Cleric in play currently!
Old man Artanza, he was a Librarian in waterdeep before he started associating with the party

[coarse ravine]

The rest of you have fun with getting petrified and poisoned at high tier play forget that. Con save profficiency is forever mandatory with me

[rough basalt]

Yeah
For casters it's Warcaster and Res con (if you're not a sorc) then probably an Elemental Adept or Lucky.
Then for Martials it's GWM, Sharpshooter, and/or crossbow master.

[short glade]

The versatility is just awesome.

[woven flint]

Very fun indeed

[coarse ravine]

Metamagic is a must for me with wildfire

[rough basalt]

The addition of an ASI point to feats was a massive change for the base feats

[coarse ravine]

For transmute.

[gray granite]

What other feats should I take?

[empty thicket]

War caster, fey touched, mobile, alert,
fighting initiate let you more fight styles instead of only dueling//dual wielding and can add defense so you upgrade the duelist
Lucky is always a welcome feat, but i wont exploit it too much.
Tough if you want some tankines

[coarse ravine]

Resilient in con

Unless you wanta be a statue

[gray granite]

I'll probaly take a score increase too, just for a fith bardic inspiration.

[coarse ravine]

Maybe ya dont run into beholders or medusas... but I've seen basilisks or whatever their called at sooo many tables

I also just feel thematically every adventurer. Should be profficient or have high con

[woven flint]

You know, I wanna force a party to face a Cadaver Collector so bad..big ol construct with swords on its back, it impales dead bodies on them

[coarse ravine]

For survival abilities.

[woven flint]

Mostly for the tone and creepy factor

[empty thicket]

oh and ask to your dm if you can get Haste when you reach lvl3 spells

Idk why a class that is kinda supportish dont get such great support spell

[gray granite]

Fey touched is on theme for my character so I'll take that, and definetly war caster.

[coarse ravine]

I mean getting eldritch blast wouldn't be a bad option

For bard.. but your a swords bard. You have your dps in swords

[empty thicket]

yeah, still see how you want to balance it around. You can go for some concentration spells but being at close range would get you in some problems.
So see and adapt to what your team need//how you want to play it

and that too, you are using mostly swords and your STR isnt that high so it must be a finesse weapon so your Dex can compensate it

[coarse ravine]

Fey touched is great. Not saying get silvery barbs. But bless is also a great option

[empty thicket]

and for finnese you got:

rapier
scimitar
shortsword
Dagger
Still considerate true strike if you want or not, that is on oyu

No, no one use whip. We dont want the Bard with a whip for many reasons.

[coarse ravine]

True strike 2014 is prolly worst spell in game

[empty thicket]

nvm, i mistake it with this spell that let you use your modifier for a close attack, my bad

[coarse ravine]

Prolly still useful for a suprise round. But in a suprise round ya still get adv so yeah it has no use lol

[timid current]

What's a surprise round?

[jovial shadow]

The other side rolls attacks at a disadvantage I think. Something disadvantage.

[eager marsh]

initiative, not attack rolls

[short glade]

Basically when you get the drop on people and you get a round of free attacks before initiatives are rolled.

[eager marsh]

Surprise rounds dont exist anymore

[short glade]

It’s pretty rare

[empty thicket]

When you ambush the enemies is a surprise attack, some classes can and get buffs with those, like rogue
that is why they mostly get stuff for hiding

[jovial shadow]

That's it. It used to be free attacks agains the surprised

[eager marsh]

Guys he was being facetious

[empty thicket]

Considerate Sleep for giving you more space in some hard fights

[jovial shadow]

If a creature is caught unawares by the start of
combat, that creature is surprised, which causes it
to have Disadvantage on its Initiative roll

[empty thicket]

yeah, still something rare

[remote wadi]

Kind of wish surprise could be an easier to make condition

[crimson gulch]

it was pretty easy in 2014, pass without trace

[rose wedge]

I play an assassin rogue. I've caused many enemies to be surprised.

I accidentally insta-killed a guy by a throatpunch.

[humble cairn]

My College of Swords Bard was my favorite character, but you do have to keep in mind that by Tier 2 or so their spellcasting gets a lot better than their weapons, so it feels slightly like a missed opportunity when you keep using your weapons. Which is why I multiclassed out to deliberately restrict my spellcasting and retain the gish play style.

[humble cairn]

I concur with Urizt, Pass Without Trace makes Surprise numerically much easier to get.

[still bolt]

listening to pov you cant find the exit to the cat cafe while reading the Obojima book :restful:

[empty thicket]

depend from dm to dm for me, sometimes you can see some enemies doing patrols, others just give you the hint that a group is getting closer

[coarse ravine]

Yep thats why I love staff of woodlands

Walk around everywhere with pass without trace active.

[remote wadi]

I meant in the middle of battle more than the start of it

But yes. PWT is a good way to do that

[humble cairn]

Surprise is completely impossible to get in the middle of combat.

[glass granite]

You can't get it in battle

[remote wadi]

Yeah. Which is why I was a little sad about it

[glass granite]

You get advantage from being stealthy by Hiding ig

[humble cairn]

It was never even an option, though?

[coarse ravine]

Ya get adv from being unseen if im not mistaken

[glass granite]

True

[remote wadi]

And PWT is great. Just wish half my team isn't "metalpipefalling.mp3" simulator

[lyric idol]

They know you're there. Even if you teleport and hide again, they're generally aware of your existence and thus surprise would be impossible.

[jovial shadow]

You could never suprise anyone during combat, at best a Thief in previous editions could sneak attack on a monster already in combat with someone else.

[coarse ravine]

I dont normally prep it... but when i get Staff of woodlands I usually spam it.

[glass granite]

Could try for mythril ig. Probably late

[remote wadi]

But it's all right. They're pretty chill most of time. Least I could do with level 2 spells

[storm onyx]

Hey guys

[empty thicket]

unless spells//effects

[glass granite]

wrong person reply, meant for bloodline

[humble cairn]

There is no spell or effect that allows this.

[glass granite]

Goood morning afternoon evening!

[storm onyx]

I am new to the server and DNd really. I have made one character, went through half a campaign and then my DM went off the radar unable to be reached 😭😭😭

[lyric idol]

At best it'd give advantage. Which tbf advantage isn't bad to have.

[coarse ravine]

Alright hear me out... jk not even gonna try. Plot armor can be said for just about anything

Was gonna try to describe some sort of banishing smite then everyone hide concept before he returns.

[remote wadi]

6 charges for a 7th level spell is pretty big, to be honest. Could be good if our Druid got it