dnd-discussion

[worn lagoon]

there's something funny along their path, but they need irl perception to find it

[marble lion]

Nah id solve it

[severe rampart]

I'm hoping one of the other bards took "Protection against good and evil"

[worn lagoon]

a lot of the maps have very small details that hide loot and magic items, but i doubt you guys will find everything

[severe rampart]

... Evren, we have one guy who's main thing is treasure hunting

[worn lagoon]

trust me when i say gan is bad at using his eyes

[woven flint]

Just because that's a characters main thing doesn't mean a character will find all the treasure

[severe rampart]

With the amount of magic items and hidden loot, I am starting to see how difficult this campaign could get...

[woven flint]

Baphomet is straight up ||Immune to charm||, though lmao

[worn lagoon]

i'm not surprised you don't know what countercharm does. i also forget it exists sometimes.

[woven flint]

I know what it does..

[worn lagoon]

well i had forgotten it until this convo

[woven flint]

But a bards main thing is charming.
And Demons just... ignore it lol

I don't have faith in them.. because they're pitiful BARDS!

[marble lion]

Counterspell you mean

[worn lagoon]

mainly the glamour bard's subclass is dud

i'm more impressed that i permitted the casting of infinite leveled spells per turn and no one took a level of sorcerer or metamagic adept

[severe rampart]

Nope, everyone wanted to be a bard

[worn lagoon]

how are you not Charmed by the prospect of triple fireball

[woven flint]

It's like.. the worst class for fighting fiends

[severe rampart]

or... OR... three vicious mockeries from three bards

[worn lagoon]

y'know what, fair point

[severe rampart]

Looks like I rolled a nat 20 on persuasion

[woven flint]

||Baphomet when he has a +14 to Wisdom saves||

[worn lagoon]

that's on me, the dc was 2

[worn lagoon]

and now it's a charisma save because i said so

[woven flint]

->?

[worn lagoon]

makes more sense to me, insults to be resisted with your confidence

[woven flint]

The idea is being thrown off by an insult, not being offended

[worn lagoon]

that again sounds like charisma to me

[foggy creek]

is there a homebrew channel here to help bounce some ideas for my campaign i’m writing?

[woven flint]

Charisma is more force of will.
And
Wisdom is more Focus.

[worn lagoon]

#homebrew

[severe rampart]

My spell save DC is 16 and he has a WHAT bonus to his charisma saving throw?

[foggy creek]

why don’t i see that channel

[idle oar]

#dm-world-building for world/setting stuff, #homebrew for stats/mechanics

Discord likes to hide channels

[worn lagoon]

you need to select the category, mate

add it to your channel list

[severe rampart]

Let's hope Baphomet rolls a nat 1

[idle oar]

Use id:browse to select what channels you'd prefer to see

[worn lagoon]

it's ok i'm sure you'll reach like 35 DC by the end of it

[woven flint]

Which is not.
Vicious mockery is a DISTRACTING thing, not a hurt my feelings thing

[severe rampart]

if

[daring pecan]

Is a hill dwarf light domain cleric fun?

[worn lagoon]

most homebrewn enemies of my campaign have spell resistance, so be more concerned about that

[severe rampart]

I mean, if three people came up to me and insulted me at the same time my feelings would be hurt

[worn lagoon]

it's a light cleric, it's always fun

[severe rampart]

Oh no

[woven flint]

That's not the point.
That's not why vicious mockery isn't a Charisma save

[daring pecan]

First time playing cleric any tips?

[worn lagoon]

uhhhhh if playing 14 inflict wounds is great

[woven flint]

Most Enchantments are Wisdom based because it takes Wisdom, the strength of your mind, to resist them.

[marble lion]

Its a wisdom save becsuse wisdom lets you see past the taunt

[woven flint]

^^^

[marble lion]

Past the fear, the charm

[worn lagoon]

also don't really bother capitalizing on melee attacks, you're a full caster, you have potent cantrip, just use a cantrip

[marble lion]

Charisma is for strength of personality, pushing outwards, not resisting others charisma

[native slate]

Can someone help me? Google says I can multi class my lvl 5 life domain cleric with a lvl 1 Druid for additional healing on my goodberries but the description of disciple of life confuses me, unless it means for every 1 berry I get an additional 3 hp per heal

[woven flint]

1. Don't trust Google for like.. anything

[marble lion]

If a spell tries to imprison or control your soul, your being, then charisma save pushes against that

[woven flint]

Because Charisma is the force of your will

[marble lion]

Wisdom saves let you resist the force of others

[worn lagoon]

guys, i'm not dying on any hills, you don't have to explain it that much to me

[native slate]

Nvm I understand it now

[marble lion]

Its fun though

[woven flint]

Please don't make a good cantrip a Charisma save against demons, your Bards are already gonna have a hard enough time 💀

[worn lagoon]

the way i interpret it life cleric should work on spells that heal immediately upon cast

[native slate]

That’s what I thought too, but I have seen Instagram reels about doing something like this

[woven flint]

The only time I'll ever advocate for bards

[worn lagoon]

there is a lot of gimmicky combos that require not reading the texts fully to work

like people casting three fireballs per turn as hasted sorcerers without bending the rules

rules say they shouldn't be able to, but they think they can, so they don't bother establishing a homebrewn rule to say that they can

[woven flint]

Well even with old haste you couldn't do that lol

"it gains an additional action on each of its turns. That action can be used only to take the Attack (one weapon attack only), Dash, Disengage, Hide, or Use an Object action."

[worn lagoon]

which is, i mean, fine from my view. i specifically remove those restrictions because i want my sorcerers (read: none) to toss many fireballs

[woven flint]

Rules exist for a reason

But play how you want to play, just don't be afraid to fix things if it becomes too much of a problem!

[worn lagoon]

it's my table, i balance my encounters around the rules i tweaked

[woven flint]

I hope you Gigabuff Baphomet

[worn lagoon]

6 tier 4 pcs + one 20+ warlock + potentially another 20+ sorcerer... of course he will be gigabuffed

[woven flint]

You should give him Antimagic Field :3

[worn lagoon]

don't want to spoil to echo, but i've got ideas

[woven flint]

Wonderful 🧐

[severe rampart]

I am both scared and excited

[glass granite]

Hello Scared (or are you Excited?). Which would you rather I call you?
Oh, and I’m Nugget

[woven flint]

Bonk

[glass granite]

Deflect attack (no counter)

[hot marlin]

Someone please stop that endless stream of dad jokes

[woven flint]

Nugget, Incubus demands it

[glass granite]

I’d like to see them try

[worn lagoon]

Do you know the FF character Edda Blackbosom?

trick question. she has nothing to do with the campaign. there are no parallels of her and anyone in the campaign.

[serene jolt]

Out of everything my character can do, you know what's my favorite? Every time I cast Tasha's Hideous Laughter, I have to come up with some pun about fire (she's a fire genasi). It makes my DM soooo mad 🤣

[glass granite]

YEAHHH

[serene jolt]

And all of the puns are dreadfully unfunny, just stupid xD

[dense nacelle]

How many 5ft squares does a 60ft long cone hit?

[humble cairn]

Are you just counting on the ground or are you counting the full three dimensions?

[dense nacelle]

No sane dm is going to count all three dimensions

[humble cairn]

Because if you fly 60ft up and aim it straight down you get a gigantic circle.

[dense nacelle]

Oh god

[glass granite]

Oh hell yeah

[humble cairn]

60ft in ... diameter I believe it would be.

[dense nacelle]

I need to find a way by level 11 to get my artificer warforged flight…

[humble cairn]

Are you an Alchemist?

[dense nacelle]

No

I also need to get my steel defender flight…

[humble cairn]

Ahh well then you'll need something like a broom of flying.

[dense nacelle]

As my action is cast conjure barrage, then as my bonus action I command my steel defender to use “staff of conjure barrage”, the entire battlefield needs to roll 2 separate dexterity saving throws, taking 5d8 force damage for each fail

[humble cairn]

Ahh yes, I've used Conjure Barrage on my Ranger to good effect.

[dense nacelle]

2024 artificer is absolutely crazy

[humble cairn]

I just need to get some growth potions and I will have a flying mount.

[dense nacelle]

I’m playing a small “warforged” named shmunk shmunk, with a homunculus servant named “shmink shmink” and a steel defender named “shmonk shmonk”

The homunculus is tiny, the defender is medium

[quiet halo]

this is adorable like im smiling while reading it lol hey yeah sorry i got lost..just joined the server.

[dense nacelle]

All of my DnD characters are always super serious so I decided why not play one who’s just silly?

Since it’s a warforged I’m trying to get a good robotic voice, I know literally exactly what I want but I need to find a way to get it to work

[humble cairn]

I don't really play for silly. The funniest character I made was probably my Gym Bro Glory Paladin. He was an attempt to make a character who was unlikable in character, but funny to the players and not their characters.

He even had a Manual of Gainful Exercise that he proselytized from.

[frigid roost]

holy guacamole

[dense nacelle]

I’ve still got a serious backstory for my little guy, but he’s supposed to be more lighthearted to play

[humble cairn]

His speeches for Inspiring Leader were all about himself and his gains. "You hate yourself for actually feeling inspired (temp hp)"

Took one level of Bard and his Bardic Inspiration? "Don't forget to stretch before battle!" wink

[hidden spindle]

I think most shapes are in three-dimensions. I'm thinking if the line is too

[woven flint]

My Warlock despised him lmao

But they worked together 🔥

[toxic fulcrum]

is there any campains i can join

iv got a lvl 7 druid

[formal dove]

is there any books that explain ALL of the subclasses for the basic classes or do i have to get multiple books?

[formal dove]

#find-a-game

[knotty pasture]

Best to set it back to level 1, makes it easier to join campaigns

[thorn blade]

hey all i made a battle master maneuver and would like some opinions on it (please forgive poor wording)

Blinding attack
You expend one superiority die to attempt and blind a creature. When you attack roll one superiority die if the total of the attack plus the die exceeds the targets ac by ten or more the target is permanently blinded and cannot see. If it does not exceed ten or more and the attack hits regardless of the superiority die the target must roll a constitution saving throw. On a fail they are blinded for 1d4 rounds.

[lyric idol]

Level 3 is fine too.

[lyric idol]

Bad because permanent blind is insane.

[glass granite]

Holy guaranteed blindness alone is insane

[thorn blade]

Well i mean stabbing someones eyes out

[prime pewter]

Guys should I give names to my archfey warlocks shoes

[glass granite]

But permanent? Yeah tone it down

[lyric idol]

This would be a great feature for OSE or ADND where that kind of effect is taken into consideration a lot more. In 5e they take balance over realism.

[amber echo]

guys the extra dmg from Hunter's Mark is from the first atk or all atk on the turn?

[glass granite]

All attacks

[prime pewter]

I was thinking prim for the right one and proper for the left one

[amber echo]

if i atk 2 times in the same turn i add this bons on the all atks?

[glass granite]

Yes

[thorn blade]

Yeah although i wish there was a fighter maneuver. that way if anyone asks if they can just stab someone's eye i don't have to make a ruling and could just say "If you want that play fighter."

[glass granite]

Gin and tonic
Life and Lemons
Peas and Pod
Apples and Oranges

[lyric idol]

Just say "on a nat 20".

[amber echo]

I was thinking that the Hunter Mark damage bonus could only happen once per turn. very OP

[thorn blade]

ehhh that feels cheap you shouldnt make the dc for something a nat twenty cause then stats dont matter it is just a flat 5%

[prime pewter]

Apples and Oranges would be fun I think

[glass granite]

It’s not that OP, it’s just nice

[glass granite]

Tell them to play a rogue

[thorn blade]

ew no

[lyric idol]

A flat 5% chance for permanently blinding a creature or entity feels...too cheap even then. And guaranteed blind, with no save throw even if it isnt permanent that at higher levels they can spam like 8 times a day....Yeah idk how thats better then a nat 20.

[glass granite]

Tbf that’s level 14

Imma be real, guaranteed permanent blindness on a crit is still too strong

[prime pewter]

Also I got these really pretty dice for my Archfey Warlock! They have miniature roses in them, with copper foil

[glass granite]

Noice

[thorn blade]

well think about it like this they have to beat the ac by ten. most creatures above cr 10 have an ac of at least 18. a dc 28 check makes sense to blind them

[lyric idol]

I gotta hit up Norse Foundry again. I wanna get some tungsten dice.

[hidden spindle]

Permanent blindness sou ds badass.

I mean, Wizards be slinging Fireballs so...

[glass granite]

It’s more so that the blindness is guaranteed for me

[lyric idol]

Yeah make it a save like tripping attack and its a good addition.

[thorn blade]

i mean if you stab there eyes out i doubt being tough would help but i see what you mean

[glass granite]

If you can target like that, stabbing someone in the heart would be pretty hard to live

[thorn blade]

not to mention any creature with regen or tremor sense can just not care.

[lyric idol]

No but they can like... try to avoid it. I mean youre targetting their eyes. Its not like its a regular attack where theyre just aiming for your mass tryna get a hit.

[thorn blade]

I feel like that is where the ac comes in. or maybe a dex check could make sense

[glass granite]

Blindness is very strong in dnd

[thorn blade]

ehhh yeah hang on i got an idea one sec

[glass granite]

Also, war clerics can just get a nigh guaranteed permanent blindness

[thorn blade]

So why is this a problem

[glass granite]

My point is, getting that high rolls isn’t too hard at later levels or with buffs

[lyric idol]

Do dex saving throw. Then its balanced, although besides maybe tripping attack, rally and one or two more, blinding attack will become one of the strongest maneuvers and make Battlemaster that much stronger.

[glass granite]

And permanent blindness is extremely powerful

In my example with a war cleric, a +15 to hit at level 3 has a pretty good chance of permanently blinding an enemy

[thorn blade]

(low key they should make battle master base kit maybe have less maneuvers and sup die)

[lyric idol]

Based on how its written, unless a monster is SPECIFICALLY immune to blind or has something else you can blind anything. Screw you slime, get blinded bozo.

[thorn blade]

still contest a dc 28 check is hard for anyone

[glass granite]

I can kinda agree with that imma be real. Just some sort of variation

[lyric idol]

Fighter with maneuvers base kit? I'm...not against that.

[thorn blade]

I mean fighter base is so boreing it would help SOO much

is it kinda busted for stuff like echo knight 100%

[glass granite]

It’s kinda meant to be simple tbf

[prime pewter]

What sorta staff/wand would an Archfey of the North Star have?

[knotty pasture]

Idk does Fighter need to be complex baseline, I thought that was the job for subclasses

[glass granite]

^ I agree with this
Plus fighters identity has just kinda gone to the “basic, fundamentals weapon guy”

[coarse ravine]

Staff of woodlands

[brittle beacon]

fighter generally adds complexity in 3 ways feats, subclasses and its high level features if your playing 2024(mainly tactical master)

[prime pewter]

Sorry, I meant like design wise, thx though!

[thorn blade]

Blinding attack
You expend one superiority die to attempt and blind a creature. If your attack hits roll a die equal to you superiority die and add it to the total of the attack, they must make a save depending on how high the attack plus die will determine difficulty.

save is a dex save dc 8+ strength or dex mod + prof.

if the total of the attack plus the die exceeds the targets ac by ten or more the creature must roll with disadvantage.

if the total of the attack plus the die exceeds the targets ac by five or more the creature rolls the save normally.

if the total of the attack plus the die exceeds the targets ac by less than five the creature will roll the save with advantage.

ok is that better?

[prime pewter]

I'm probably gonna go to bed. Gn!

[thorn blade]

i feel like that guy can still probably do maneuvers

i mean bg3 already did it

[near brook]

Which version of DnD 5e do you usually play? 2014 or 2024?

[glass granite]

I play 2024

[thorn blade]

2014

[brittle beacon]

2024

[empty thicket]

"Thug it out" (+7 T.hp)

[jovial shadow]

BG3 is not D&D

[empty thicket]

2014 mostly with my principal group, will play 2024 iwth another

[empty thicket]

Yes and no, in concept its but its like we would say, giga homebrew

[thorn blade]

i mean many things they do are a massive improvment

[lyric idol]

Do you not play BG3 DND?

[near brook]

I‘m kinda depressed rn because I really looked forward to learning this game, only to now not know which version I should learn

[thorn blade]

like paladins not having channel divinity and having channel ouths

[formal dove]

use 2024 and scribble out the drawings that you dont like

[lyric idol]

So...a slight name change?

[thorn blade]

i mean one of the changes

look at bg3 ranger bro. massive improvement there

[empty thicket]

most of people use 5e, 2014 or 24, both are kinda alike in a lot of stuff, would still recommend learn 2014 and from there go forward.
Still, you dont have to remember everything, there is pages, books ,etc. That you can support on it

[lyric idol]

2014 and 2024 are cross compat. Me personally? I'd join a group first. See which version theyre playing. And then learn from there.

Thankfully DNDBeyond exists and the DM can share their resources with you.

[empty thicket]

oh yeah, there is another layer of learning, pages.
Dnd beyond and i cant say others because i might get shot

[thorn blade]

yeah i cannot use dnd beyond

[empty thicket]

and i dont want another 10 minutes ban

[near brook]

So like finding a group to play with before learning the game?

[empty thicket]

but out there is like 3 to 5 pages that you can enjoy and learn

even some steam games that let you build a 3d version of everything too i think

[daring pecan]

Just played Gwent for board game night with my lady

[lyric idol]

Yes. Let them know youre new and you dont have many of the resources. DMs and players can share their resources like books and such with you via dndbeyond or by lending you the books physically. Then buy the books for the version youre playing if youre sure this is something youre interested in.

[empty thicket]

if not, theater of mind exist, so you worry less about tokens, maps, etc. etc.

[daring pecan]

Life is good

[thorn blade]

i love using dry erase maps, with character stands people can draw on themselves

it is truely the best of both worlds

[near brook]

@ember oasis and I are searching for people to play with

We are absolutely new to this game

[empty thicket]

i like foundry, it help in a lot of content and details, showing what a spell, feat, etc. do and the description help a lot, the lighting feel nice and some interaction stuff too.
Its of paid but its a one time paid

[lyric idol]

Check out #looking-for-players where DMs who are setting up games post. Read through and see if they are new player friendly.

[near brook]

Thank you ^^

[lyric idol]

Np

[empty thicket]

Man, my dm edged me and the party putting for the ending of the session the show up of the boss of this "chapter", i wanted to obliterate it and end with a big battle.

I love him for making such hype, i hate him for making us wait for it
But i guess good things take time to be made

that is why we take from 8 to 10 months to born so remember that you all

[lyric idol]

The more you wait the sweeter the fight will be.

[empty thicket]

that is the thing, he is scared that if he dont fit the hype we have for it we might be upset and i know that he have sometimes a hard time balancing us
I can do like easily 30 to 50 damage per turn only

without haste or any other buff

[near brook]

All offers in this one seem to be very specific and advanced

[lyric idol]

See if your local area has any dnd groups ig. I will say its harder starting online then an inperson group.

[near brook]

Nobody I know plays DnD, I kinda don‘t know what else to do

[formal dove]

ask them to play

[near brook]

And local DnD areas aren‘t a thing in my country

[near brook]

I need one DM ya know. One teacher

[formal dove]

if you go to school there might be some clubs

[lavish flame]

You might need to be the DM to play D&D

Like, if your friends do not already play D&D and you are the one with the interest, you might need to be the one who undertakes the DM role

You'll figure out how to play with your friends who are also figuring it out

[loud tendon]

finding a group is honestly the longest part.. many players not nearly as many DMs. If you want a simpler game, you may have to wait a little bit

[near brook]

@ember oasis what do you think?

[ember oasis]

You should definitely be a DM. You're so creative

[near brook]

Awwww shucks 👉👈

[woven flint]

50 million smackeroos

[umbral girder]

?

[cinder timber]

Oh

[brittle beacon]

um

[burnt grove]

The intimidation factor of being interested in artificer and yet knowing your not intelligent enough to role play it lol

My current conundrum

[hidden spindle]

You as the player need not share your character's strengths (or weaknesses)

[humble cairn]

What do you mean?

[burnt grove]

Put simply since I deem myself unintelligent I think me playing or portraying it would be considered boring to others as I simply would not even know where to begin

[humble cairn]

"Intelligence" isn't actually all the same one big thing, unlike how D&D portrays it, one of the many ways in which D&D is purposely unrealistic.

[humble cairn]

In what way do you think an Artificer must be intelligent? And how would one have to act?

Do you think a gearhead who is a really good mechanic for cars and such is a highly intelligent person?

[burnt grove]

Right i don’t know though specifically with artificer it feels.. I don’t know weird..? That you’re supposed to be creating all these things and yet you don’t know how to explain it? I feel they should be intelligent enough to understand their contraptions of the like but yes pretty much

A gear head or steam punk chronicler or the like

[humble cairn]

What about someone who slaps together something with duct tape, spit, and a kick? It somehow works, but when asked to explain it they just grunt and shrug?

[burnt grove]

Ah the old Rocket Raccoon/ Goblin trope

[humble cairn]

People who are geniuses in a certain field more often than not, actually can't explain it to people.

[burnt grove]

That’s fair point

[humble cairn]

Intelligence is not holistic.

[burnt grove]

As for the autistic or savant way of doing things it feels okay but considering your entire life was dedicated to it.. you should portray some manner of it.. lol then again I tend to highly overthink

[humble cairn]

What we think of as "intelligence" is simply competence.

And people are competent in certain fields, not every field.

Being able to explain yourself is also a skill, one in which not everyone is competent, eveni f they are highly competent in other things.

[knotty pasture]

Flavoring is free, you don't have to set your int to 17 to roleplay a genius

[humble cairn]

You just have a barrier to what you regard as "intelligent."

[knotty pasture]

But it is true that int concerns checks like arcana, religion, investigation, etc

[burnt grove]

Fair nuff

[knotty pasture]

So your character can simply be really bad at reciting things

[burnt grove]

Bad memory problems

[humble cairn]

I can almost guarantee you that you are probably very intelligent in something, you just have low esteem about those things.

[burnt grove]

Just intuition too much alchohol

[knotty pasture]

Yeah something like that, Minsc of Rashemen famously has 8 int 12 wis and would drop random deep lines then go back to his black and white sense of morality without actually understanding things

[unkempt roost]

the ability scores in dnd really shouldnt be tried to be looked at too deeply

[humble cairn]

Oh definitely not at all, they are not realistic in any way.

[burnt grove]

Stares blankly .. @knotty pasture Who!!?

[knotty pasture]

Minsc is a legendary figure/adventurer from the Baldur's Gate 1

[burnt grove]

Ah… Minsc and boo hamster I’m guessing

Good night all

[patent sinew]

I'm new to dnd it wouldn't let me pick new to dnd and the one i have on me also can anyone give me the rundown and how to play online especially on discord

[gray granite]

What would be a way to do Fey trickery as a player? For example, the classic "May I have your name?".

[coarse ravine]

Cantrip friends

[gray granite]

What?

[coarse ravine]

The spell cantrip friends

[gray granite]

Yea, I guess I could flavour that as Fey charm magic, but is there anything wierder?

[coarse ravine]

I mean... you can define whatever you want with dominate person. But trickery? You can go illusion spells with hallucinitary terrain, major image etc.

Minor illusio.

[coarse ravine]

A simple presdigitation would be enough to be tricky with the right imagination.

[gray granite]

But like, taking their name or something like that?

[coarse ravine]

Friends

How can dm say no to that lol

Its friends spell it's in the name hahah.

[gray granite]

I don't get how friends does that.

As in stealing their name

[coarse ravine]

Im simply saying the spell is called friends. You can cast it and ask them their name.

[patent sinew]

I'm new to dnd it wouldn't let me pick new to dnd and the one i have on me also. Anyone trying to teach me how to play im new i barely know the basic

[coarse ravine]

What kinda hero you want bud

[gray granite]

Ok, yea I guess my Dm would probably allow that on an enemy we're about to kill or something.

[patent sinew]

Probably smt like Kas the bloody handed

[coarse ravine]

What's he doing? Whats he like where does he work or how does he obtain money before this?

[patent sinew]

Huh

[coarse ravine]

Why is his hand bloody

[patent sinew]

What😭😭😭

Explain

[coarse ravine]

#dnd-newcomers sorry I was tryna help you develop a backstory lol

I went too fast lol my fault.

[coarse ravine]

Forget backstory what do you want your character. To do in combat and out of combat or exploring.

[coarse ravine]

Ahh someone with more iq in the lore should help with that one. Maybe warlock? Idk

[patent sinew]

You ever heard of the character Kas the bloody handed that's who I'm basing it off of

[coarse ravine]

No but I just googled him. Sais he was a vampire esque

[patent sinew]

Ye

[coarse ravine]

So my head went to monsters or warlock stuff.

[patent sinew]

Well before the vampire stuff he was a human paladin and a valiant knight. And a paladin who served various gods of death

[coarse ravine]

So you want to make a paladin?

[patent sinew]

Then he rose to vecnas top general in war becoming a vampire them betraying vecna

[patent sinew]

So what would match that if nothing then yes

[coarse ravine]

Well new player? Normally I wouldn't recommend multiclassing.... especially if you are playing 2024. So with just being paladin.

[patent sinew]

Okay

[coarse ravine]

So whyd he betray him?

I normally play oath of ancients. But maybe vengeance or oath breaker (normally a dm given thing possibly) or death but definitely look through them.

[coarse ravine]

What you wanta look for in the subclasses are their channel divinities. As well as their 7th level ability

[patent sinew]

Kas betrayed his master, the lich-lord Vecna, primarily due to the influence of a sentient weapon and his own growing ambition. ​The Sword of Kas: Vecna forged a powerful, sentient sword for his lieutenant. However, the blade possessed its own cruel consciousness and whispered to Kas, stoking his ego and convincing him that he was more powerful than Vecna and deserved to rule in his place.
​Ambition and Pride: As Vecna’s empire grew, Kas became his "Hand," managing the daily affairs of the kingdom while Vecna became increasingly detached. This position of power fueled Kas's belief that he should be the true ruler.
​Outside Influence: Some lore suggests that Nerull (the god of death) or other dark entities influenced Kas, offering him boons or power to slay Vecna and halt the lich’s absolute dominance. The Outcome
​During their legendary battle, Kas used the sword to sever Vecna's left hand and gouge out his left eye. The resulting magical explosion destroyed Vecna's physical form and flung Kas across the multiverse, eventually leading to Kas becoming a powerful vampire lord.

I kinda just looked it up

[coarse ravine]

Like oath of aincients channel divinity sucks but 7th level is amazing. Others channel divinity is amazing and 7th level amazing. Others get amazing spells and both features kinda meh. Just up to You for what paladin you think

[patent sinew]

Yea

But do you think you can create me a character book for me because I don't know how to and just do it to me

[coarse ravine]

#dnd-newcomers they will help you. But yes glad you found your class.

[patent sinew]

Okay

[coarse ravine]

Did he have zombies?

[patent sinew]

No mostly vampire spawn

[coarse ravine]

Well..... in that case im definitely thinking warlock

[coarse ravine]

You'll want a spell for your flavor called "vampiric touch"

Prolly dance macabre as well you can flavor them as vampire spawn. But yeah id go warlock but could also go death paladin here

[patent sinew]

I got the run down for multiclassing warlock and paladin

It seams easy

And hard at the same time

So probably going for a Hexadin build

It's a mix of a warlock and a paladin

@coarse ravine

[ivory shale]

Fighters indotomitable adda the fighter level right?

[coarse ravine]

2014 or 2024 you playing in?

[patent sinew]

20204

2024*

[coarse ravine]

If its 2014 you could go hexblade, paly... or undead paly lots of options. But yeah essentially in order to multiclass ya have to meet the requirements. For paladin thats 13 in strength and charisma. With hexblade you get to attack with charisma modifier. So you can just leave strength at 13 or take ir higher up to you but you can just focus con, charisma, dex or whatever you want. With the hexblade feature. Your aura will be based off your charisma as well. This is what makes Hexblade+ paladin a great option because it utilizes charisma as well.

I would at least go 7-10 levels of paladin tho.

[patent sinew]

2024 is better because i can use hexblade lvl 1

[coarse ravine]

2014 ya can too

[austere spindle]

Is orc barbarian overused

I'm new so was just wondering

[dusty grotto]

It’s used a lot because it’s cool. Do what you think is cool

[austere spindle]

Alr bet, mines albino for some reason lol

[coarse ravine]

7 levels of paladin to get your aura. Idk how cool you want your character. But immunity to frightened is a awesome rp thing you could have. So 10 levels of paladin gets you immunity of fear. As well as the others around you.

[patent sinew]

1. You no longer need the Hexblade subclass
   ​In the 2014 rules, you had to pick the Hexblade patron to get "Hex Warrior" (Charisma for attacks). In the 2024 Player's Handbook, that power is now part of the Pact of the Blade invocation.
   ​Level 1 Warlock: You can choose Pact of the Blade as one of your starting Eldritch Invocations.
   ​Benefit: This allows you to use your Charisma modifier for attack and damage rolls with your pact weapon immediately.
   ​2. You can pick a different (and better) Patron
   ​Since any Warlock can now attack with Charisma, you aren't "forced" into the Hexblade subclass anymore. You can pair your Paladin with:
   ​The Fiend: For temporary HP whenever you kill an enemy (great for a front-liner).
   ​The Archfey: For frequent, short-range teleports (Misty Step) to move around the battlefield.
   ​The Celestial: For extra healing and radiant damage.

[coarse ravine]

But with that you'll definitely want your 5th level spells so idk when those kick ok live for warlock. So make sure you build for that. Totally OK to cut off paladin at 6 or 7

[patent sinew]

I just looked it up

[coarse ravine]

Your 5th level spells for warlock will allow you to summon stuff. You'll prolly wanta be more warlock maybe

[patent sinew]

So 24 im guessing would be better

K

[coarse ravine]

Well thats neat

Thank goodness not suffocating warlock into a corner pocket.

[coarse ravine]

Undead is a great subclass. Genie has alot of flavor but for your character maybe fiend.

[austere spindle]

Alright chat, is thunkis a good name for my orc

Thought i should be a Lil silly

[patent sinew]

Okay

[coarse ravine]

I mean its prolly in the top 5-10 combos

[austere spindle]

So like its one of the best?

[coarse ravine]

From a stereotype standpoint sure

[potent siren]

its a classic combo

[austere spindle]

I just did it bc it sounded cool, didn't know it was actually decent

[dense gulch]

What is one thing in DND that is obvious when you remeber but you forget alot.

I'll go first
Darkvision = Grey Scale

[potent siren]

Orc works great with any martial class thanks to the adrenaline rush ability

[austere spindle]

Surprised they kinda short tho

[coarse ravine]

Wanta get thematical with it go zealot. So you go down you get back up with half orc. Then zealot ya just cant die unless dm whips out one of them crazy monsters lol.

But yeah have fun with it.

[potent siren]

an average lower bound of 6ft tall is short?

[austere spindle]

Ig its just the betrayal of movies, they make em seem like towering hunks of muscle

But yeah your right, its still tal

[potent siren]

I mean you can always imagine your orc wide with muscle and 7 ft tall if you want

[coarse ravine]

Yeah my half orcs are in the 6'5-7 foot range. Goliath and firbolgs 7'5-7-11

[austere spindle]

Mine is 7ft tall, lmao no way

[patent sinew]

Back to my character yet

[austere spindle]

O geez I forgot about Goliaths

They can get big big

[gray delta]

idk where to ask this but whats the difference between cleric in player handbook and Cleric in Basic Rules (2014)

[humble cairn]

Cleric in the PHB has access to two more subclasses. That's the only difference.

[remote wadi]

TFW Piercer rerolls only make 3s and 4s into 2s

[humble cairn]

Oh wait, you're talking about the 2024 Basic Rules? Then there are significant differences.

[gray delta]

yes

one of my friends is asking

and i havent used 2024 rules

but is there a difference in the phb and the 2014 basic rules though

[lavish flame]

PHB got more stuff in it. more species, more subclasses, more feats

[still plover]

Here they are if you want a look at both:

https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/dnd/basic-rules-2014/classes#Cleric

https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/dnd/br-2024/character-classes#Cleric

[gray delta]

tysm <333

[undone sage]

yo wsggg

[exotic tree]

Why is there still no 2026 release plan for D&D books? They must have booked production slots already. If not we will not see any physical books at all this year. Is WotC doing the digital-only strategy they announced in 2024 now? Will they publish nothing on their own and leave the field to 3rd party publishers? So many questions and no word from WotC - that’s really bad customer communications… ☹️

[scarlet socket]

👀

[humble cairn]

There's two different PHBs and Basic Rules. Are you talking about PHB (2014) and Basic Rules (2014)? Because those will basically be the same. Or are you talking about the PHB (2024) and Basic Rules (2014)?

[gray delta]

2014 and 2014

[humble cairn]

Ok then the rules are all the same, the PHB just has more subclasses.

[gray delta]

okay thank you so much!!!

my friend is joining our campaign and i didnt know how to explain it, hes new to dnd

[remote wadi]

Kind of wish flails had a special tag or 2. They're a pretty cool weapon in concept

[glass granite]

The special tag was weird tbh. Which makes sense

[remote wadi]

Oh. I meant unique tags. Didn't know special tags were already a thing

[hot gate]

Property: Flail: You're more likely to hit yourself /s

But yeah, Flail, Mace and Morningstar all share the interesting feature of having no properties at all

[remote wadi]

Cool weapons, but kind of fall apart because no tags

[glass granite]

Only time you wanna really use a flail is if you want a bludgeoning longsword
While using a shield

[remote wadi]

I mean, Flail could be at least Reach or something a little creative. Morningstar could easily be something like 1d6 bludgeoning + 1d4 piercing

[glass granite]

1d6+1d4 is more than a 1d10 tho,
And 1d8 is already the strongest one handed weapon

[still plover]

Two-handed reach bludgeoning, for a heavy flail.

[remote wadi]

I mean, at least longsword having the versatile trair could mean that you could use it with or without a shield

[hidden spindle]

Imagine if Flail had a Special tag: Ignores Shield's AC

[remote wadi]

I mean, it would be a bit hard to balance. But seriously, nothing?

I don't really see a time or place where having no tags at all is good

[hot gate]

It's fine if you like it simple.

The narrative of having a flail is also enough for some people.

[glass granite]

It’s just simple
It’s also the triad between the one handed 1d8 piercing/slashing/bludgeoning sap gang between longsword, Morningstar and flail

Not respectively

[remote wadi]

Rapier, Warhammer, Warpick?

[glass granite]

Warpick I forgot, the other two aren’t sap

[remote wadi]

I mean, the only 2 reasons you would want to pick a Morningstar over a Rapier (aside from the obvious of loving Morningstar weapons) is using strength and really needing that 10 extra starting gold

[glass granite]

And sap
(Weapon mastery)

[remote wadi]

I keep forgetting we prefer different editions

[glass granite]

Indeed. Weapon masteries are great

[remote wadi]

They can be, yeah

But it also is hard to give up Assassin crits

I don't have favorite classes, but it is hard to turn down crit builds

[glass granite]

Those are kinda annoying to get anyway with needing Surprised

So I don’t mind the change
Plus I don’t love assassin anyway

Plus, rogues now have a lot more flare with cunning strike

[hidden spindle]

Assassin + Actor feat goes pretty hard

[spice stump]

can you move as a reaction with ready action

like a ready action dash

[spice dove]

hello folks

[glass granite]

Yes

[marble lion]

Absolutely

[hidden spindle]

Yes you can Ready: Move

Please don't Ready: Dash Action...

[glass granite]

Why nottt. Sometimes you just gotta go fast in a burst

[hidden spindle]

Because Dash, you gain extra movement equal to your Speed for the current turn. But that does not mean you can move.

[marble lion]

I looked this up just there and no

[fiery nimbus]

I love dnd
very first session, we are splitting the party

[marble lion]

Dndbeyond says youre correct

Strange. Did they change this maybe?

[wraith cairn]

Should I feel bad for torturing my character?

[marble lion]

Anyway yeah hold whatever your edition considers the action to actually move

[fiery nimbus]

no, thats what they are for

[marble lion]

Then again, movement isnt an action is it?

[hidden spindle]

Its not but the Ready action allows you to move up to your Speed OR an action

[fiery nimbus]

though to be honest, if our characters knew we wrote their backstories, they would kill us

[marble lion]

Kinda if youre expressing genuine sadistic fantasies tbh

[fiery nimbus]

thats just dnd

[marble lion]

Ah cool good to know i do ready by commonsenseimprov as dm

[wintry spindle]

The ready action is a whole can of worms sometimes

[marble lion]

Not when i play it

Definitely a thing though but not one im comfortable with in my games

[fiery nimbus]

I assure you i would never fire a desintegration ray at a living being IRL

[wraith cairn]

I don’t explore statistic fantasies I just grab some of my trauma and drizzle it onto them

[marble lion]

That doesnt make it sadism

[marble lion]

Then no you shouldnt feel bad i think

[fiery nimbus]

Sure you can beat people without enjoying it but that's not dnd

[marble lion]

Youre just expressing yourself

[marble lion]

Enjoying combat isnt the same as enjoying the specific element of pain and torture
Are all boxers sadists to you?

[wraith cairn]

I had someone tell me that I should stop giving my OC’s trauma because I am a horrible person if I do

[glass granite]

Nahhh

[marble lion]

Probably joking

[wraith cairn]

I just needed a second opinion

[marble lion]

Its the kind of banter thing you say like "oh youre so evil"

[wraith cairn]

No, they were completely serious. They started a whole fight over it so that’s why I needed the second opinion.

[wintry spindle]

I think some trauma stuff should be discussed at session 0

[hidden spindle]

It could help facilitate processing your own trauma to some degree but...

[wintry spindle]

In my game we don't have canibalism for example because thats one of the players trigger points

[glass granite]

Just remind them that those OC’s are a projection of your ideals and experiences. They’re pretty much your creativity and emotions put onto a page.
Idk how this would make you a bad person tbh

[hidden spindle]

Maybe let others know what you are doing

[still plover]

Fictional characters are there to be tortured, metaphorically or otherwise. Put through the wringer, heartbroken, beaten up and knocked down.

[glass granite]

Or give them a happy life in the woods with their spouse and children, up to you

They’re there to experience anything pretty much

[wraith cairn]

This person is not even a part of my DND campaign that I have the character for they just started a fight with me because I was yapping about it on a website where I have my OCs and stuff

[delicate locust]

your profile picture is so gross i love it

[marble lion]

Oh then youre just around someone sensitive
Either accomodate them, have the DM kick them out for not fitting into the game, or leave yourself
3 options

[glass granite]

That does change when you start roleplaying them tho

[marble lion]

Everyone at the table should be comfortable

[spice dove]

thanks, discord ruined the banner ratio so there used to be a whole beast but now its much smaller

[marble lion]

If 2 ppl have conflict, you gotta either find compromise or remove one

[wraith cairn]

Sorry for dragging this into this server. I just need some opinions. I thought I should rewrite my OC‘s entire backstory.

[marble lion]

The only bad choice is to ignore it because then one is uncomfortable

[marble lion]

Its an option

Youre not evil for it but you may still want to do it. Thats up to you

If you want to play with this person, its the only choice you really have

If you dont mind if they stay or not, you can stand your ground

[spice stump]

Would that take your action or just your movement then

[marble lion]

(Might get you removed though if the rest of the table feels the same)

[still plover]

With a little cabin? And a wood burning stove? Sounds idyllic!

[glass granite]

Yupadoo

[wraith cairn]

The problem is this person is not even a part of my DND campaign. They were just reading my OC‘s backstory and just started complaining about it in the comments.

[marble lion]

You lose action on your turn, and use your reaction to apply the prepared action move

[marble lion]

Ignore them then

[wraith cairn]

That’s what happens later in my OC’s story

[hidden spindle]

The Ready Action is your Action.

Which you use with a custom trigger you set & Reaction to use whatever you Readied with the Ready Action

[marble lion]

As long as your post abides by server rules, there is no issue. Some people will disagree with what you do

I know it feels bad to be shouted at by sensitive people but its all you can really do

Try to sympathise with them probably having a reason for their limitation and move on

[fiery nimbus]

and than you kill them in cold blood?

[wraith cairn]

I just take critiques on my OC is seriously so I feel like I have to change my OC because this person feels like my OC is trash

[spice dove]

do i need to buy something for dnd?

saw someone post a link to dnd beyond and it was 60 usd

[wraith cairn]

No, though you might be giving me ideas

[marble lion]

Be strong

[fiery nimbus]

To be honest there is a compelling tragic backstory, that at some point just turns into a "A Series of Unfortunate Events" the book series

[marble lion]

There will always be some people saying this until you strip all the depth from something

[delicate locust]

i didnt even click the banner to see the Beast, it just keeps getting better and better thats great

[spice dove]

thanks

though it was nerfed

[fiery nimbus]

feel free to just overdo it if you feel like it, tragedy and comedy are the two sides of the same coin

[marble lion]

Its all dealers choice yup

[restive solar]

backflips

[glass granite]

Frontflips

[wraith cairn]

She already has a tragic backstory, but at the end of the DND campaign she gets a happy ending

[restive solar]

side flips

[glass granite]

You can’t always decide what happens at the end

[fiery nimbus]

"And now after all of those years of suffering he got a dog... that was run over by a passing carriage the very same day, than he got hit with a bucket of piss from the window"

[wraith cairn]

The campaign has already ended! What do you mean?

[glass granite]

Flips you off

[glass granite]

I stand corrected

[marble lion]

Well youre still right

[restive solar]

invert inside out flips

[marble lion]

Its just not relevant here

[fiery nimbus]

Well anyway if you want an edgy tragic backstory bordering on comedy due to how overdone the suffering is, feel free to do it

[marble lion]

Not necessarily what is happening but yeah true

[fiery nimbus]

well they made a tragic backstory character, played it and got a happy ending at the end of the campaign

Im really not sure why are we even talking about

[wraith cairn]

I wish I had someone to yap too about my OC’s backstory but none of my friends like DND

[fiery nimbus]

oh guess thats why

[spice dove]

whats a blood hunter?

[marble lion]

Because the backstory probably is quite miserable and involves trauma, so the random commenter insulted them

Its a little funny when sensitive pursuit ends up trying to put down someone who is actually expressing their own trauma

Isnt that the whole point?

[fiery nimbus]

I mean, its DnD
Every second DnD character is a tortured orphan, the ratio is slightly higher with rogues and wierdly enough lower with warlocks

[restive solar]

If I eat sm1 in dnd how many turns would it take (say I’m a human level 3 fighter and they are aswell)

[halcyon forum]

uhhh

[marble lion]

Probably about 7200 turns

[halcyon forum]

well aside from the weirdness of the question, hundreds, if not thousands of turns

[marble lion]

Eating an entire humanoid your size takes long

[restive solar]

Hm

[marble lion]

Honestly, that would probably not be possible in a single day

[spice dove]

.

[restive solar]

What about just there arms

[marble lion]

An hour is 600 turns

[fiery nimbus]

Huh canibalism talk was not really on my bingo card today

[marble lion]

How long would it take you to eat 2 raw armsized meats?

[humble cairn]

We have a #character-discussion channel for that, as long as it's a D&D character.

[spice dove]

wait

[patent sinew]

I've made a character sheet for Kas the Bloody-Handed it took over 2hours

[spice dove]

is my character like only good?

[fiery nimbus]

So, i don't like Dhmpir are still humanoids, they should be undead

[halcyon forum]

what a year, huh

[fiery nimbus]

it's January

[still bolt]

aren't they like, not vampires though,,,'

[restive solar]

I can eat a 300g stake in about 5-7 minutes irl with cutlery having to cut it in small ish bite sizes but with out I could do it in about 3-5 minutes*

[marble lion]

Raw though

Raw meat with tendons is very tough

[halcyon forum]

there is a reason humans invented cooking

[humble cairn]

The Dhampir stats can be used for stuff that isn' undead.

[marble lion]

I dont think you could eat a raw enemy in any amount of turns in dnd combat

[hidden spindle]

You should take the Chef feat next level and it'll be done within the hour

[marble lion]

Even just 1 limb would take at least an hour i feel like

[halcyon forum]

probably would get sick and pass out before, yeah

[marble lion]

Or get killed because you are busy eating

[restive solar]

Does rare count?

[marble lion]

No

[still bolt]

tthey're half vampires,,,,,,,

[fiery nimbus]

oh i simply meant that them being humanoid feeding on other humanoids is technically a canibalism, that would not be a problem if they were undead since they can't really gain the benefits from undead and constructs

[marble lion]

Too much information for a corporate server

[restive solar]

What’s corporate

[marble lion]

Watch out you dont get removed

[restive solar]

But okay

[marble lion]

This is the official dnd server, with company interest and public image considerations

[restive solar]

Sorry I didn’t think

[spice dove]

if i have understood right

[still bolt]

tthis is just a corpo server,, not a lot of freedom 😭

[spice dove]

monk: gets power from within
cleric: prays for power

[restive solar]

Oh yeah wrong server sorry guys, Seeya (please don’t remove me and for context I can explain before I get banned if I do)

[spice dove]

what server is it you prefer?

[restive solar]

I forgot I was in the dnd server not another smaller one I’m in which was were talking about dnd and real life which is why I asked how many turns cause one of use is playing a human vampire

[spice dove]

ahh

[spice dove]

do you guys vc there?

[restive solar]

For the campaign yes which is why our sound board is full

[worn lagoon]

i tried to avoid the abandoned orphan archetype, so my first dnd character was a nepo baby

[reef tundra]

Were they a sorcerer? Make it extra nepo baby?

[worn lagoon]

of course, his dad was a gold dragon king who died 26k years ago

[fluid cove]

Hello

[fiery nimbus]

well its not a dad then, that would make your character at least 26k years old

[worn lagoon]

due to bag of holding accidents he spent that time unhatched in the astral plane

[fluid cove]

Im new to playing DnD. Never played a tabletop game before in my life unless snakes and ladders as a kid counts lol. I have recently installed baldurs gate 3 and played it nonstop for 2 days here now since installing 😂 i know its nothing like actual DnD but it made me fascinated to learn and i hope I'll get along with all of you guys here

[worn lagoon]

he's like, 15, and very diminutive

[fiery nimbus]

so he was Kenku?

[hot gate]

It's a great way to get introduced to "sort of D&D but video game" for sure. Once you decide to play actual D&D, the basic rules are free!
https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/dnd/br-2024

[worn lagoon]

half-dragon

[fiery nimbus]

Half-Dragon Half Kenku?

[worn lagoon]

see, that was the issue
the other half was supposed to be elven, but that'd mean birth, not hatching

so that gold dragon got shifted into grandpa status

still half-dragon, but the mom is the dragon half

[fiery nimbus]

well you did said your dad was a dragon and your character is a half-dragon
and that your character hatched out of an egg
that would imply the mother of non-dragon race had to lay an egg

so... Kenku

[worn lagoon]

i had to rethink and redo it accordingly exactly because of that

the initial idea didnt let him be stranded unhatched in the astral plane for ages

[fluid cove]

I've already installed the app, cant wait to play my first campaign

[fiery nimbus]

frankly i don't see the reason why shapeshifter like golden dragon would even limit its biology to just one sex

[worn lagoon]

that ancestor had a very specific elfsona, but I can see that happen

[lyric idol]

I dont see why either. Itd just take the form most pleasing to it, whatever that may be.

[fluid cove]

I have a question of you dont mind me asking, can i use the same character in different campaigns?

[vapid sluice]

Like at the same time?

Cause I feel like that could get confusing

[hot gate]

That's a solid maybe. I make a new character for every game I join.
Not just because every game usually has their own little quirks and rules for creating characters, but also because there is no expectation that you could somehow transfer the story of a character from one game to the next.

[fiery nimbus]

yes but it wouldn't be the same character
it would be the same baseline

[fluid cove]

No like say im done playing wirh one group because of stuff in L I F E happens idk but i grow attached to a character

[fiery nimbus]

ah i see you are trying to capture a lightning in a bottle

[worn lagoon]

i played this half-dragon in two campaigns because the first one fell apart

[fiery nimbus]

I want to try playing Centaur again but i don't have an idea for the class

[worn lagoon]

the second one also fell apart as i realised i had to dm a campaign to have a responsible dm, so he's been demoted to npc status forever

[lyric idol]

The issue with keeping the same character is most other people make new characters. When youre joining a campaign later or even just being at session 0, I recommend being willing to fill what the party needs. Whether that be a martial class, or a caster, or a little of both as a half caster.

[fluid cove]

So i take it the party really needs to come together to discuss things before playing

[worn lagoon]

i don't think it's so urgent to have a "balanced" party composition

[fiery nimbus]

no, lol
play whatever you like

who cares about party composition

[worn lagoon]

my party has three bards but i know how to accomodate them so they'll be fine

[lyric idol]

I do. Ofc I've been playing OSE recently and uh...a well rounded party means less people losing half their levels 😅

[fiery nimbus]

DM can always specialise their party by few tactical magic item gifts that just happen to fill the role for what party needs

[worn lagoon]

I'm sorry, half their levels?

[lyric idol]

Thats the rule of OSE. You die, you create a new character with half the level rounded down.

[vapid sluice]

What is OSE?

[vagrant quartz]

Why is the first thing I read here discussion about egg laying

And why am I not surprised in the slightest

[fiery nimbus]

some systems are like that
DnD is on casual side
every game of Call of Cthulu ends with your character dying

[worn lagoon]

wow

[lyric idol]

Similar to ADND. Basically hardcore DND with a lot more realism.

[fiery nimbus]

wow, that rule absolutely sucks

[vapid sluice]

Ou

[worn lagoon]

it just fantasy biology

[vapid sluice]

I've only ever played DND ^^'

[fluid cove]

Lovecraft was a bit morbid like that

[fiery nimbus]

Dragonsbane is a nice more adventure type of system

[neon spruce]

Is there a place I can advertise a D&D server?

[lyric idol]

Even in regular DND, I find asking what everyone else is playing and picking a class bases off that is fun for me and everyone else. No healers? Clerics fine with me. 2 casters and a fighter? I can play a Paladin. I pick my class first and base everything else off my class.

[fiery nimbus]

#looking-for-community

[neon spruce]

ty

[spice dove]

whats gp?

like for pickiing out lifestile

[lyric idol]

Gold points or gold coin.

[vapid sluice]

Gold

[spice dove]

guess im wretched then

[fiery nimbus]

no healers, no problem
DM can accommodate by reducing the price on healing potions
2 casters and a fighter? that doesn't really say much since those casters can flex into any "role"

Just play whatever you like because ultimately roles in the party do not matter

[lyric idol]

You'll get a starting amount to spend and tbh most DMs I play with dont do "Lifestyle".

[worn lagoon]

does magic initiate bard have healing word

[spice dove]

what do i do after i make my character though?

[worn lagoon]

i might do that next time a campaign lacks a healer but i'm still playing a sorcerer

[humble cairn]

It should but this is 2014 rules, then? Because Magic Initiate: Bard doesn't exist in 2024.

[worn lagoon]

yup exactly

[vagrant quartz]

Party of 3

We have artificer with gun
⭐ Druid

I picked bard cuz frick it we bard

I hate playing the tank, so I just started healmaxxing so we don't need one! (Also false life + aid just makes me the tank anyways)

[lyric idol]

I expect my DM to give me challenging encounters. Expecting my DM to hand my party magic items if we didn't think to coordinate just...doesnt sit well with me? Sure he can give out some magic items we'd want as rewards and stuff, but I dont expect the DM to do party balancing.

[fluid cove]

What happens when everyone is playing but one guy has to leave an never comes back

[lyric idol]

Find another.

[humble cairn]

"Tank" isn't an actual thing in 5E, so of course you don't need one. The real way to make sure enemies don't hurt allies is to use Control effects, which means wizards and such are the actual "tanks."

[marble lion]

Ofc its fine to play him again

[worn lagoon]

abjuration wizard maxxing

[marble lion]

You got robbed of a proper journey, why not start another

[vagrant quartz]

Enemy can't hurt you if theyr already dead

[fiery nimbus]

If the lack of roles is an issue the thing can be very easily corrected
hence why i don't really care about party composition
DM will challange you with encounters regardless of your party composition

[worn lagoon]

my poor sorc got robbed of his first 2 journeys, i'm still keeping him in reserve

[fiery nimbus]

It's a standard thing, when DM sees you have feather fall, you are more likely to encounter situations that require it
same thing with any of your character decisions

[vagrant quartz]

I'm dying to play a divine soul sorc, I need a third campaign .....

[worn lagoon]

same

[vapid sluice]

Mm yeah, and why should the last person have to settle for a class because of party composition. Everyone should be able to play what they'd like to and enjoy

[worn lagoon]

extreme decision paralysis though so if i'm dming for a divine sorc i'll probably give them a few free spells

[burnt valley]

dnd but for masochists

[lyric idol]

Here's the thing. If we have 2 sorcerers and a wizard and 1 fighter, I'm not gonna play another wizard just because I want too. Idk I play IRL 99% of the time, and when I join or someone else joins, first thing after hellos is, "so whats everyone else playing? Waddya need?"

Maybe its a mindset thing ig.

[worn lagoon]

i'd lowkey still play a bladesinger

[fiery nimbus]

I mean, if you want to play a wizard play a wizard
especially if that class can be very easly customized

[vapid sluice]

But the thing I think is... Why should you have to compromise because you joined last? Why can someone else not compromise?

[lyric idol]

...So everyone has fun?

[marble lion]

Honestly i think tanking is a thing

[lyric viper]

Play an all wizard party. The Book Club (Sorc is the member who never actually studies/reads)

[marble lion]

Its just not a videogame tank

[lyric viper]

Frontliners are a thing in D&D I feel

[marble lion]

Yes exactly

Specialists hitting backline doesnt mean the front and back are the same

[lyric idol]

If everyones having fun, I'm having fun. If we're using our brains and buffing when we need, healing when we need, and action surging when we need, I'm fine.

[marble lion]

Watch a squishy sorcerer run into the front lines and see what happens

[lyric idol]

Ya just gotta charge in with shield, mage armor, and thunderwave.

[marble lion]

Add stuff like battlemaster, sentinel and uhhh lifelink or whatever and tanking is definitely a thing

[burnt valley]

Armour dips fixes this

[marble lion]

I said squishy

[fiery nimbus]

they fill the role of area denial... so basically druid

[marble lion]

I said squishy

[worn lagoon]

if the class has enough subclasses to have variety it's fine

all three of my bards are gonna fill a different niche

[lyric viper]

I feel like a point is being a bit missed her when some PCs are squishy

[vagrant quartz]

My 22 HP wizard is NOT going in the front, unless its to immediately fey step out of it

[lyric viper]

Yes you can build them differently to not be squishy, but some are more squishy than others.

[marble lion]

Frontliners draw a line that most enemies want to avoid crossing
That is the frontliners job

[worn lagoon]

lore bard will be a flexible support caster, swords bard will do flourishes with hexblade stuff, the glamour bard is there to look pretty and disappoint

[lyric idol]

Thats bladesinger's whoke gimmick.

[vagrant quartz]

Divination wizard over here

[lyric idol]

Though if I'm being real, I'm an evocation wizard kinda fella. Lightning bolt and fireball without fear.

[vagrant quartz]

I make big boom

[marble lion]

For the record: i never said any specific classes cant frontline

[worn lagoon]

i remember playing a bladesinger with a newbie dm and he made every single mob ignore shocking grasp

[marble lion]

I said squishy chars exist and therefore less squishy too

[lyric viper]

So there is still a concept of 'This person has more HP and more AC/defenses so can handle being in melee /taking hits more than the low AC/low HP character'

[cold rapids]

bro didnt want yall to win 😭

[lyric idol]

Haha I got my own little horror story with magic and a new dm that I'm pretty sure everyone heres heard before.

[worn lagoon]

it was sort of annoying, why did i pick the cantrip if it doesn't let me disengage because the dm decided he really wanted to hit me

[humble cairn]

Aggro is not a thing, therefore the MMO concept of tanking is not a thing. You can be a large presence on the field using Control effects to hamper enemies while also Support effects to defend allies, but true MMO style tanking is not really there.

[vagrant quartz]

Sore loser mentality

[marble lion]

Yeah exactly

[cold rapids]

wait tell tell

[marble lion]

What sort of enemies were you fighting?

[humble cairn]

Being beefy and tough by itself is not "tanking."

[worn lagoon]

lizardmen, most of the time

[marble lion]

It is if you put yourself in way of danger

[lyric idol]

Depends on DM. My DM would let me roar as a free action and try to attract attention. Which worked until a cleric healed me once and they got tunnel vision.

[marble lion]

Lightning lizardmen?

[worn lagoon]

plain lizardmen, underwater

[marble lion]

Dm of the year

[vagrant quartz]

Going in the frontline to protect the less beefy character is tanking tho

[worn lagoon]

eh i forgive the guy, he really didn't know how to balance encounters and we did wipe the floor with everything

[humble cairn]

Yes, it requires homebrew, but I'm talking about the actual RAW mechanics.

[humble cairn]

Yes, but how is you being there actually protecting anyone when they could just .. walk past you? Or shoot past you? Or cast spells past you?

Granted the change to Grapple in 2024 makes the idea of tanking a bit closer to reality.

[worn lagoon]

ranged attacks with attack rolls do get disadvantage, or if they walk past you and swing their sword at the cleric in the back, protection fighting style

[vagrant quartz]

Depends on the enemy, are they intelligent enought to figure out that it's better to attack the squishy mage behind the tank?

[marble lion]

Even then, frontlines exist for a reason

[humble cairn]

See the idea of a "tank" is basically a big tough character who stands in front and prevents enemies from hitting allies. Most of the ways that characters can actually prevent that is held by full casters because the heavily armored classes generally only have soft control over enemies. Imposing Disadv on them to attack anyone but you isn't a hard form of control.

[marble lion]

Walking past enemy frontlines presents risks

[burnt valley]

the DM can simply choose to ignore the martial

[humble cairn]

Making tactical mistakes is DM dependent and not in the mechanics.

[lyric idol]

So my first time playing DND with a friend who was the DM, our first encounter was a fire lizard with I think 30 HP? I was a sorcerer with frostbolt. So I put 2 + 2 together and figured ice would be effective and hit it with frost bolt. It dealt double damage and tue encounter ended in 2 rounds. Next session, DM swapped us to a magic point system with cantrips being 5MP, level 1 spells being 10 MP, ETC. Anyways, with a level 2 sorcerer I had 10 MP. So either 2 cantrips per day or 1 lvl 1 spell. Safe to say, I learned really quickly how to handle melee as a squishy character with I think 5 HP. Probably why I'm so focused about party balance nowadays if I'm being real.

[still bolt]

i've been thinking of working on this, , , , to just, make this a thing,,?

[worn lagoon]

distance is also a real contributor, it's easier to hit the paladin in front of you than the warlock blasting you from on top of a cliff

[humble cairn]

And moreso in 2024, yes, but still hard to see a true MMO style "tank."

[marble lion]

Did i say they cant?

[marble lion]

Again i agree mmo style not a thing

[humble cairn]

Plenty of people have, in #homebrew, but that's altering the mechanics of the game.

[marble lion]

But tanking has become a huge term by now and refers to anyone beefy who tries to partially protect the party through taking focus, attacks, blocking positions etc

[humble cairn]

Point is, I feel like using the term "tank" in a D&D context gives people coming into the game an incorrect idea of how the game works.

[marble lion]

Its good to let people know you cant hardtank or hardheal in dnd but denying it completely is just wrong

[marble lion]

Absolutely but that doesnt mean you should say you cant at all

[lyric idol]

Tanking is important and a thing that does more then just area denial.

[marble lion]

Its a good note for noobs

[humble cairn]

We should be talking about Control and Support abilities. Telling people they can "tank" in the game is going to set them up for misunderstanding how the mechanics work and having a worse time playing.

[lyric idol]

You teach fighters how to tank, I'll teach casters how to cast Enlarge and Haste.

[marble lion]

Then tell them the long version

[humble cairn]

I really dislike cheap shorthands that cause misunderstanding in the long run. Like "you can't cast more than one leveled spell per turn" which isn't and hasn't ever been a rule in 5E.

[marble lion]

Youre misinforming on the basis of doubting peoples ability to understand, to avoid explaining it properly

Also, i think most ppl talking right now arent new

So these safety rails are just false

[humble cairn]

I see new people on this server every day.

[marble lion]

I mean right this second talking

You me murray limeguy

[humble cairn]

And the 42 thousand people who are online in this server?

[marble lion]

Arent the ones youre talking to

[humble cairn]

Sure they are, this is a public chat room.

[marble lion]

Youre telling a bunch of experienced players that you cant tank

[burnt valley]

Teach casters on how to use Crowd Control better, Haste will make you take down a party member once they break concentration (new players isn't going to understand the importance of res:con and con saves in general)

[near brook]

How do people Homebrew?

[humble cairn]

Experienced players should know enough about the actual mechanics to understand the difference, and be versed enough to talk about thegame in a way that is at least not misleading newcomers.

[near brook]

Might be a stupid question, but I have no idea

[vagrant quartz]

It's when you make a cocktail at home /j

[humble cairn]

There's a whole community of people over in #homebrew who would love to tell you, probably.

[near brook]

I‘m quite good at that actually, and so is @ember oasis 😂

[still bolt]

yeah i've been in there probably more than any other channel but i have myself found issues in interacting there,, it's a meta thing but there are soo many backhanded comments and unhelpful responses, if you get a response at all, , , plus the extreme averseness to changing the core system at all and hitting me with "you know that'll mean you'll have to change everything related to that right" like. boy. i get it. stop mansplaining. 😭 sorry , , ,

[lyric viper]

(There will be also many, many people lurking and who might be new)

[near brook]

Thank you so much, I really need to pin these channels down for me to find them better

[humble cairn]

And this is the exact opposite of what I'm doing. I'm not misinforming, I'm being more specific and more informative by going the long way and not using the cheap shorthand that the term "tank" represents.

[near brook]

Nvm I found it. At least that one

[lyric idol]

True but telling new people they cant tank gives off a whole different impression.

[still bolt]

wwhat did you wanna add,,,,

[cold rapids]

dm really had it out for you but valid reaction

[lyric viper]

I do agree though with the general idea of sometimes needing to deconstruct short hands and terms, because misconceptions (or differing boundaries/understandings of that term) can cause miscommunications. Like what 'Tanking' is, and how tanking in a different system/video game is different to in D&D, but there is still a similar concept and idea.

[humble cairn]

If you scroll back to all my comments, I think you will find that I never said "you can't tank." What I said is that "tanking" isn't a real thing in 5E, but that Control and Support abilities are.

[sullen ingot]

It isn’t?

[spice dove]

just made a character, and it says i cant download the sheet cause i havent finished it even though i did and cant find what i am missing

[severe rampart]

Perhaps the inventory?

[still bolt]

i think it's a #ddb-support

[lyric idol]

New dm, new player, it happens.

[sullen ingot]

I always found ‘only one leveled spell per round’ to be ridiculous if I had the actions. I’ll run out of spell slots really fast that way

[lyric viper]

Nope. You could use haste to cast two fireballs. But the rule was 'If you cast a spell that isn't a cantrip as a bonus action, you can't cast non cantrip spell with your standard action'.

It was specifically about bonus actions.

It was also more to keep combat fast than about balance.

[sullen ingot]

Does this rule exist in 2024?

[lyric idol]

I think its per turn. If it was per round nobody would take shield

[vagrant quartz]

Cartomancer feat

What can I saaaaaaay except double fireball?

I'm the n1 cartomancer feat enjoyer

[lyric idol]

Nowadays people get around the 2024 rule by playing wild magic sorcerer.

[lyric viper]

In 2024 it is 'One spell slot spent per turn' So only one leveled spell a turn.

One Spell with a Spell Slot per Turn
On a turn, you can expend only one spell slot to cast a spell. This rule means you can't, for example, cast a spell with a spell slot using the Magic action and another one using a Bonus Action on the same turn.

• p236

But in 2014 it was specifically about bonus action use. You could use haste to cast two leveled spells.

[sullen ingot]

Neat. I’ve broken this rule a lot then. Oops

[vagrant quartz]

So spells that are like 1 use without expending a spell slot are usable? With a leveled spell slot one?

[lyric idol]

However I believe the exclusion to this rule is spells that are cast without slots by ability or item go around this rule.

[sullen ingot]

You’re not using a slot so this rule wouldn’t affect them

[lyric viper]

2014, if you use a Bonus action to cast any spell:

You can't cast another spell during the same turn, except for a cantrip with a casting time of 1 action.

[vagrant quartz]

@lyric viper can I use my magic iniate sanctuary with another leveled spell on the same turn?

[lyric viper]

Might be best to move those questions to #dnd-rules !

[vagrant quartz]

Yes definitely

[glass granite]

But in 2024, yes

For future reference tho #dnd-rules is better

[vagrant quartz]

I am now very happy

[glass granite]

Hello now very happy, I’m Nugget

[vagrant quartz]

:)

[lyric viper]

But yeah the short hand rule used in the community of 'can't cast two levelled spells in a turn' for 2014 wasn't actually true, but a way of simplifying the more complicated action interaction rules. (and also not true for 2024 where you can just not if you have to use slots)

[sullen ingot]

Hello now very happy, I’m Jolteon0163

[sullen ingot]

That seems a bad way to say it now that I know the real rule

[vagrant quartz]

Had to commit to the bit

[fiery nimbus]

for example Warlock can use their pack spell and follow it up by high level addition

[humble cairn]

Yes, hence why I corrected it everytime anyone said it.

[lyric viper]

Milestone is also different i the books to community usage. And people will have differing ideas on when optimisation becomes powergaming/munchkin gaming, or what counts as railroading, or bad vs good metagaming so on.

The terms are useful as shorthands and quickly conveying an idea that might be familiar, but always worth to occasionally reevaluate them (especially if miscommunication seems to be happening in a conversation because someone used the shorthand term and the people involved are thinking of different related concepts- like videogame tanking vs D&D tanking so on)

[civic palm]

“You level up when I say you level up”.

[lyric viper]

Book milestone: Give XP based on quest completion.

[humble cairn]

I'm very thankful that the Bonus Action Spell rule got replaced with one that is much simpler.

[hot gate]

Yeah, same

[humble cairn]

Though the "one leveled spell per turn" myth is persistent.

[hot gate]

I have to sit on my hands so many times to stop myself from correcting that technicality when I see it here.

[humble cairn]

And also people should understand that One Spell Slot Per Turn is only for spells.

Using spell slots for non-spells doesn't trigger the rule.

[civic palm]

What’s stopping a level 20 wizard from breaking the economy? Make a simulacrum, have it wish for riches and buffs, repeat. And if your BBEG is a wizard, why aren’t they spamming wish whenever they please?

[hot gate]

Because D&D doesn't do economy simulation and also wish stress exists.

[civic palm]

Wish stress for the caster, yes. But if the simulacrum fails the stress test, who cares? Make a new one.

They only get the one slot anyway.

[still plover]

Not to mention the books are just books. Who's to say a celestial might not take an interest in someone demonstrating their power so flagrantly? Or something infernal?

[hot gate]

🤷‍♂️ back to the first point

[glass granite]

And also cuz, why would you want to crash the economy?

[civic palm]

More an indirect consequence of infinite funds than a motive.

[humble cairn]

Nothing, but what's the point, D&D isn't an economy simulator. Also NPCs do not follow PC class rules. Even a "wizard" might not have Wish.

[hot gate]

If there is a sudden influx of gold and stuff, the world would perhaps simply adjust to that. What riches means could change.

Could be an interesting plot point.

[civic palm]

At the very least, true resurrection would become a lot easier if you have wizards making diamonds for cheap.

[glass granite]

Oh sure.

[still plover]

If you're level 20, you have the capability to affect the world. I can't see how anyone would think that's a one-way relationship.

[hot gate]

Mhm. And I have yet to meet a wizard that would do anything for cheap

[humble cairn]

Wizarding is expensive

[hot gate]

"You're paying for my education"

[glass granite]

Personally, I have yet to meet a wizard. Maybe they’re just rare in Australia.

[hot gate]

That's what they want you to think

[glass granite]

I feel like we just have sorcerers here, and they all took wild magic

[civic palm]

I mean logically the wizard would have enough intelligence to know that making tens of millions of GP would be bad eventually, so they’re not liable to do that frequently. But what about having its simulacrum wish that it (and its trusted generals) had resistance to certain damage types?

[humble cairn]

They have them in America, but you really really don't want to meet them.

[glass granite]

That or some dang Druid is messing with us

[civic palm]

Resistance granted by wish doesn’t have a limit, from RAW.

[glass granite]

Is there an enemy in the manual that has wish? 🤔

I can’t recall

[hot gate]

They might do that eventually, sure. Whether or not that's "logical", I don't know. People within the world don't have rules text as precise as we do.

[humble cairn]

If any, I bet it would be a djinn.

[civic palm]

I think there’s one monster that casts it when they die? No clue which one.

[hot gate]

genies can have the ability to do so on behalf of others, yes

[humble cairn]

Djinns have a chance of knowing the Wish spell.

[glass granite]

Good to know
Though I can’t think of one that doesn’t have strict restrictions on themselves

[civic palm]

Would the djinn suffer from the stress, or is there some magic shenanigans that takes the brunt of the causality?

[hot gate]

Sure, it says that the genies don't suffer the stress.

Oh, and the creature that can cast it and then be destroyed is the Zodar.

[humble cairn]

But they can also only cast it to grant a wish to someone else.

[civic palm]

Ah, so they don’t suffer the stress but their power is limited so it can only be used for others.

Maybe the djinn wished to not suffer the stress, and that’s how it backfired?

[hot gate]

I do feel the need to point out that djinni are one of the four genies that can do it. Djinni are specifically the air version. There are also Efreeti, Dao and Marids.

[civic palm]

Yeah. Maybe I should stick with genie when referring to them?

[hot gate]

Probably more connected to the real world mythology they're taken from

[civic palm]

“Elemental that grants wishes”.

[hot gate]

At least one BBEG can. Spoilers for Dungeon of the Mad Mage: ||Halaster of course||

[civic palm]

If you were to gain three class levels in real life, which class and subclass would you pick?

[near brook]

Would you say more of here are playing 2014 or 2024 now?

[civic palm]

Probably 2024.

[hot gate]

Hard to say, we don't exactly have stats for that.

[hot gate]

Probably warlock with the celestial subclass. Getting to heal others with little downtime required.

[near brook]

You assume that because it‘s more recent?

[humble cairn]

First thought is Divination Wizard.

[civic palm]

Yes. Not many people play 4e, or 3e, after all.

Also divination wizard would be cool.

[hot gate]

That and I think it's also just an improvement on 2014. Can still use lots of stuff from 2014 but benefit from the more solid rules of 2024.

[civic palm]

I’d pick echo fighter so I can get more work done.

[lyric viper]

Ah, but they are also very different editions, rather than rule updates more akin to XGtE/TCoE/MPMM.
There's def going to be a lot of folk still using either just 2014 or a mix of 2014 and 2024 books.

But as newer players come in and folk pick up new books, 2024 will likely become more and more used over pure 2014.

[near brook]

It‘s not the same kind of leap though

[lyric viper]

Mm. You couldn't exactly mix 3e and 4e or 4e and 5e. You'd have to actually convert things across and the lore and system changes made carrying a game on from one edition to the other much harder.

[near brook]

Cause ngl I keep circling back on which one to learn. It really sucks to want to learn D&D in 2026

[severe rampart]

A what fighter?

[lyric viper]

I'd go with 2024.

[civic palm]

Fighter: Echo Knight.

[humble cairn]

Second thought is Cartographer Artificer. I know cell phones exist, but I like the idea of being able to just magically know where my loved ones are at all times.

[humble cairn]

2024 is going to be more and more relevant, while 2014 is going to be less and less so.

[civic palm]

And you could make magic items, which is a bonus.

[lyric viper]

Before 2024, it was basically recommended for new players to get the 2014 core books and also XGtE/TCoE/MPMM in order to be on the same page as most games.

the 2024 core books are intentionally all those updates and changes in one place, with some extra

[remote wadi]

Cleric is easily a big pick overall

Especially with how Revivify works

[rotund abyss]

I announced to my players that during the summer we're gonna focus a lot less on linear storytelling and focus more on a sandbox type world where they choose their own quests and that can evolve into the story but they can really just pivot to whatever

[civic palm]

Which subclass though?

[near brook]

Aight, I guess I just have to try ignoring the illustrations in the player’s handbook cause I really don‘t see myself in them at all. Very off putting to me. 2014 also had more of this nice rough vibe to me, but that‘s just my personal impression

[humble cairn]

They're ... just examples? You don't have to make characters based on the illustrations.

[hot gate]

I like that there is a much broader variety of flavor shown in the 2024 book, gets me thinking of how to flavor my own creations.

[humble cairn]

I'm a big fan of the Dance Bard picture.

[hot gate]

The main wizard image is chefs kiss

[robust fable]

Ig tanking exists

Its just that there is no point to it

[near brook]

The mere sight of them is already giving me bad vibes, that‘s the thing. I really have to try ignoring them and focus on what‘s written on the pages. But that wouldn‘t be the first time I have to go through something I‘m uncomfortable with just to have fun. I enjoyed the older European inspired aesthetics that leaned into Tolkien, not the modern American Aesthetics that lost their timelessness to me

[humble cairn]

You really that discomfited by the illustrations? I don't know what to say, I mean you're obviously valid in feeling how you feel, but I didn't think the illustrations were such a huge thing. Also, personally the more D&D moves away from being straitjacketed into Eurofantasy and Tolkien, the better I feel.

[hot gate]

Mhm, I feel the same. And also, D&D is heroic fantasy, so the new illustrations fill exactly that vision for me.

[remote wadi]

Hard to say. Too used to 2014

[lyric viper]

I enjoy that they're broadening out from just representing European-based cultures in the core art, seeing as D&D has always included more than that.

[magic talon]

Howdy everyone! I am new to this server but I am not new to the hobby 🙂 Started as a kid watching my cousin's parents group play AD&D 1e, to playing CRPGs that used AD&D 2e and D&D 3e for their ruleset, and in highschool I had my first real TTRPG experience with D&D 3.5. From there I explored other systems and found my way to 5e 2024 rules.

I will say that I am really excited for the Psion class since my introduction to Psionics in D&D was reading about it in the AD&S 1e premium re release of the Players Handbook. And it also helped me gain a better appreciation for the Bard class and in game design in general.

But nice to meet you all 🙂

[still plover]

The 2014 halflings look quite odd to me.

[remote wadi]

But if I had to choose a domain

Probably Life Domain

I mean, even 3 levels in the class means you can speed up physical wounds and use Lesser Restoration to cure poisons, blindness, paralysis, or deafness

And if you wanted to extend the levels we would hypothetically get past 3, like getting 9 levels...

[near brook]

Americanized things lose grace to me. Europe has a rich culture

[lyric viper]

I get it though if what you're imagining for your fantasy is very Tolkien based, which was intentionally very focused on European folklore. Older D&D as a core did seem pretty anchored there and fantasy written in English drew a lot from it.

But I feel like all D&D settings were more than that. Greyhawk was very American from the get go, based more on a pseudo-european/American land, with mesoamerican cultures too.

D&D was always Americanized.

[remote wadi]

Death literally goes from the worst thing ever to deal with to "Would you like them brought back with Revivify or Raise Dead today? Buy now, and we will throw in a Death Ward for free!"

[near brook]

I don‘t see them balanced out though. One pretty much overtakes the other. If it had at least been a healthy middle way, that would have been a different thing.

[lyric viper]

I mean.. D&D is American. Written and created by American's, adapting what fantasy resources they had access to, into their own worlds, inspired by their own cultures too.

[remote wadi]

So is it really any surprise at all that Clerics would probably be the #1 choice if you could have it irl?

[lyric viper]

Ahh, I think this is one of those 'Novelty' things. Not sure what the exact term is for it, but when used to something being the main majority by a lot, when it starts becoming more balanced even by a bit (Including things being like.. 90% Male /10 % female, to going to 80% male/ 20% female, or predominantly of one ethnicity or culture to another) it seems like a lot has changed because suddenly the minority has doubled! . Or more even!

It's noticable! But.. that doesn't mean it's not balanced.

[remote wadi]

...what did I just walk in to?

[near brook]

Also if you want to be inclusive, use all ethnicities that are there. American fiction only knows two it seems, caucasian American and African American. And that is pretty ignorant to me. Individuals from Asia, Mexico etc. are still missing.

Equal representation

[lyric viper]

I think they have been? There are definitely Latin American inspired designs in the core books too.

[humble pollen]

Hey everyone. Would anyone like to help me do a little bit of homebrewing.
One of my players has recently accquired a staff of the magi. And I want to give the other characters something that will have roughly the same power/utility. But all the other legendary magic items, though powerful seem to lack the versatility of the staff.

[stuck shuttle]

Yeah the new orc art is super cool

[lyric viper]

The artwork for chromatic orb too

[lyric viper]

#homebrew sounds like the perfect place to ask

[humble pollen]

Thanks, I overlooked that channel. (there's so many!)

[lyric viper]

There are! 😅 If you ever need it #channel-guide can help out!

[worn lagoon]

Hello mr. engineer

[plucky flame]

where can I check it out? in the new PHB?

[delicate owl]

Ibelieve there's a ddb article that showed off the new art as some point

[marble lion]

There are way more things illustrated than white and black in the new phb

[lyric viper]

Yep! it's one example of orcs and was intentionally going with the idea that if they're often a semi-nomadic species, given gifts in order to travel many terrains and places, picked out a hardier terrain (desert like), and drew from cultures that adapted to those places- like wide brim hats akin to sombreros.

[delicate owl]

Also yeah, I've been looking through illustrations rn and even in the first 12 I see, on ddb, I can see hispanic and asian representation.

[lyric viper]

Also TBH while things could always be more I don't think it's a fair critique to say something along the lines of 'If you can't represent everything, don't try at all' 😅

It frankly would be impossible to try and make art work representing every unique culture in our own world in a fantasy book.

[delicate owl]

Indeed, it is also a fantasy book, I would not expect a fantasy world to represent many of our irl cutlures in general.. Because it's a fantasy world that is not our world lol

[lyric viper]

I think settings are also really important here. If you have an idea of what type of fantasy you want to run, low, high, grimdark, noblebright, more East Asian inspired, more Mesoamerican inspired, more european inspired- what setting and what part of that setting you pick means a lot.

[delicate owl]

https://youtu.be/WPBnLlqV0Z0?si=sMcBsuu76E4gwEGq&t=1106

This is the youtube video link to the 2024 players handbook preview video on the official dungeons and dragons youtube channel. That link should also get you to a timestamp where said art is shown.

[chilly bone]

Hey was a stranger things dnd set announced cause i vaguely remember it was

[lyric viper]

There is a Stranger Things 'Welcome to the Hellfire Club' set yep

https://dndstore.wizards.com/uk/en/product/1246481/welcome-to-the-hellfire-club

[chilly bone]

isnt that like a graphis novel?

[lyric idol]

Already out. Saw it in a game store when I waa getting an expansion for dominion.

[chilly bone]

oh dayum is it on amazon?

[lyric idol]

Should be. Probably on the official website. See which onell deliver it to you faster and cheaper lol

[plucky flame]

thanks!

[plucky flame]

60 dollars!?

dndb needs to add regional pricing man

[lyric idol]

I was about to say for a collab book its only $10 more till you mentioned regional pricing 😅 some regions really be getting screwed over.

[remote wadi]

Ah. Lovely

[humble cairn]

I mean first of all I don't think anything is being Americanized? Because of course it was American to begin with, but I think the trend has been more one of broadening out to a more global influence of culture rather than focusing on one. Also, more places than Europe have rich culture. As much as I'm not a fan of my home country at the moment, America also has rich culture, please don't denigrate it to elevate Europe to some lofty ideal. Not even to mention that Europe as some monolith of culture is kind of sus.

[marble lion]

60 dollars seems alright to me

[lyric idol]

The word I believe you're looking for is "corporatized" and tbf...its not just america anymore.

[lethal otter]

Good afternoon. How are yall

[marble lion]

Its illustrated, big format, hardback and dollars are kinda down right now
Its also new
Seems alright to me

[lyric idol]

For the USA? Sure. Other regions? Yeah....not so much 😅

[remote wadi]

To change the topic
Not sure why, but I keep hearing the question of "What class/levels from DnD for irl?"

And I keep going back to the answer of Cleric

[marble lion]

Well what regions

[humble cairn]

I mean, I spotted people who look like beyond just white people and black people in there.

[humble cairn]

Wait, why are you pinging me to change the topic I'm talking about?

[lyric idol]

Turkey. India. Most of South America, etc.

[marble lion]

I didnt know turkey but the others true

[remote wadi]

Wasn't asking you to. More of a "wanted to talk about something else, and why not tell you about it"

[marble lion]

I was kinda focussed on western europe uk and america i guess

[chilly bone]

how much is the hellfire set in the US?

[plucky flame]

the full thing IG?

[lyric idol]

For IRL DND I'm going Wild Magic Sorcerer or Chrono Wizard.

[plucky flame]

we are getting screwed over, but then again a company will only offer regional pricing in a region with enough demand

[remote wadi]

But seriously. Some cantrips and low level spells would be OP if it existed IRL, hence my decision of Life Domain Cleric

Imagine being able to fix expensive personal equipment like consoles and laptops because you keep casting the Mending Cantrip until it's good as new

[plucky flame]

and then again if regional pricing is not provided then the original cost threshold is too big for people to get into dnd

[marble lion]

Spare the dying

Save like all the lives in a hospital daily for no cost and become rich and loved

[plucky flame]

doctors will be DONE

[marble lion]

No

[remote wadi]

Spare the Dying was next, yes. Literally turning a trip to the hospital and massive ambulance fee and precious time wasted into waking up like it's a Saturday hangover

[marble lion]

They need to heal the cause
You put them on ice

[lyric viper]

No, you still need doctors, but spare the dying would be amazing in EA/ A&E

[marble lion]

Youre like the "if he only had more days to recover"

Let medicine work, get to surgery alive etc

And any temporary symptoms couldnt kill them either

[remote wadi]

First level spells too. Cure Wounds, Guiding Bolt, especially Create or Destroy Water

[lyric idol]

As much as healing would be nice, waiting to see what magic effect happens with wild magic surge just...sounds too fun. Do I suddenly turn into a potted plant for 6 seconds? Or do I strike 3 people randomly with lightning? Or teleport 30 feet away?

[marble lion]

Too risky

[plucky flame]

Thaumaturgy would be great too ig?

[delicate owl]

Spare the dying would help with like... Basic wounds I wuold think. If someone had a disease that was killing them they're just "take damage" immediately probably.

Prestidigitation, Elementalism, Thaumaturgy and Druidcraft woudl be the big ones, Minor Illusion as well

[lyric idol]

Lifes a risk. And the wild magic table irl (at least 2024) is a risk I'm willing to take.

[delicate owl]

Mage hand for those who need it

[remote wadi]

It would be... until you hurt the ones you care about

I'm a little scared to bring up the striking things with lightning as an example

[lethal raft]

druidcraft is by far the weakest cantrip