dnd-discussion

[knotty pasture]

Yeah I mean like an Elf and a Dwarf can't make a Half Orc, Half Orcs are from Orc + Any race (usually human)

Oh no the species part isn't that hard cuz I have a rough idea, I was thinking of the class

[remote wadi]

Monks, maybe

[quaint bear]

Can I have white pupils but not be blind

[halcyon forum]

having a teleport from your species
telport from you class (like shadow monk)
any magic item that allows teleports

[knotty pasture]

Will take note of Monks, what else could I do...

[quaint bear]

As a wizard

[still plover]

I'd favour warlock for the versatility. Paladin has always stuck with me since the Elenium books.

[slender gyro]

A vampire casting mist form and passing through? Or impossible?

[halcyon forum]

all bards for the whole "we are a band" setup maybe?

[still plover]

In general flavour, or the description of your character, is up to you. For specifics, consult the DM once you've joined a group.

[quaint bear]

As a 14 years old wizard how much weight is there is

[quaint bear]

Oh fair

[stark tundra]

What race

[quaint bear]

human

[stark tundra]

Ah so I'd say around 60 pounds

[halcyon forum]

depends on if its a box or a cage

[knotty pasture]

Noted

[quaint bear]

Ok

[knotty pasture]

Monks, Warlocks, Bards, Paladins perhaps then

[still plover]

More like 100. You can Google questions like "human weight by age", you know.

[knotty pasture]

My choice of race is Strongheart Halflings

[slender gyro]

Hmmmm so it can be a box making everything locked. But if it's a box the people inside can't use ranged attacks or can?

[halcyon forum]

with a box, nothing gets in or out

[quaint bear]

What the best language for varaint human

[humble cairn]

The one that will be most useful in your game. There is no one "best" language.

[quaint bear]

Oh ok

[quiet mist]

Finallyyyy I can type!!!1

[knotty pasture]

Depends on the campaign yeah

[quiet mist]

hey DnD peeps

[knotty pasture]

Speaking goblin is useless if the campaign doesn't have a single goblin

[quiet mist]

I was looking for some help with a Homebrew race

[humble cairn]

Try #homebrew

[quiet mist]

Thanks!

[stiff jewel]

If you pick Human Warlock, you can have 5 origin Feats and 1 full feat at level 5, an extra full feat if you used Variant Human...

[quaint bear]

What generation method should I use

[humble cairn]

Do you have a DM and group?

[quaint bear]

Nope!

HAHAHAAHAHAHAGAHAHAHHA

[humble cairn]

If not, use Standard Array as a placeholder because your DM will want to approve of the method.

[quaint bear]

Okay

[humble cairn]

Try not to use all caps, it messes with some people's assistive reading technology.

[quaint bear]

Oh, oh okay my bad

What is other modifer ABD override for

[knotty pasture]

If you're practicing making characters just choose whatever thematically makes sense

[quaint bear]

Oh fair im done anyways

[stiff jewel]

Standard Array is just Point Buy with fixed numbers.

[jovial badger]

lets see standard array give you 8 16 16 8 8 16

[severe rampart]

you don't say

[jovial badger]

😉

[frozen burrow]

Morning all, how're things?

[severe rampart]

I'm slowly going insane due to scheduling conflicts

[stiff jewel]

I'm curious, the produce flame spell it last 10 minutes and until it ends you can hurt fire at creatures and objects, is this continual, or doe it use it up? And end the spell early? I guess it would say if it did.

[hot gate]

I concur. The spell lets you summon some fire as a bonus action and then throw some of it as an action. You can continue throwing it after that.

If you just wanted to use it for attacking, you'd probably be better served by fire bolt instead though.

[halcyon forum]

old produce flame ended the spell if you attacked but new one doesnt

[stiff jewel]

That is true. I'm just trying to something with a little more range to lump onto my Elemental Monk

I'll see if I can get firebolt as part of an origin feat

[halcyon forum]

its probably easier to just carry some javelins

usually you dont need the range

[hot gate]

Mhm. Elements monk already has respectable range just with normal attacks and later with their elemental burst at level 6.

[stiff jewel]

We are doing a level 5 one shot. And I'm using the opportunity to test my next character build. Javelins would probably make sense here. But won't for the later character.

Okay. I could get Sage for Fire Bolt, but the ability scores just don't line up for Monks.

[halcyon forum]

its just that you really dont want to cast a cantrip if you could use the attack action instead

as a monk

[stiff jewel]

Guess I'll have to just be standard reach, which is +10 for 15 with Elemental attacks.
If Invoice Bugbear that'd be 25 right? 😂

[halcyon forum]

and you got monk movement plus 15 ft reach, you can probably do without a long range option

bugbear would be 20 ft i think

[stiff jewel]

20 still great, don't have to worry about opportunity attacks.

[glass granite]

That 20ft doesn’t apply to opportunity attacks, would still be 15

Bugbear reach only applies on your turn

[stiff jewel]

Was talking about me avoiding opportunity attacks, though I don't really need the Bugbear for this, as 15 is still outside of the normal 5ft for opportunity attacks.

[glass granite]

Ah that makes sense, and even 10 ft is enough to avoid OA’s, so you’re set

15 is plenty, 20 is hella nice

[severe rampart]

No, he's OutcastSpartan

[stiff jewel]

🤦‍♀️

[glass granite]

You forgot the “Who’s Set? I don’t see anyone with that name here, sounds like a good fellow.”

[severe rampart]

I have failed you, master

[glass granite]

You still have much to learn, my pupil. And tuition fees to pay
Anywho, always glad to see an elemental warrior used

They’re my favourite monk (which is my favourite class)

[stiff jewel]

If I was a Halfling I could hide behind allies, and get advantage on my attacks?

[glass granite]

You can’t hide as a BA, so it’s not the greatest, but yes

[stiff jewel]

Wait hold on DM... Wait nevermind... I thought one of Monk Focuses was to hide as a bonus action, but it's dash and disengage, and dodge

[glass granite]

Only easy way for a BA hide is cunning action I believe, unfortunately

[gaunt roost]

man, bless keeps being an SS Tier spell. Yesterday our cleric cast it while we were attacked by 4 vampire spawns. Her words "Well half the group can deal radiant damage. If they hit" and then about half our attacks only hit due to the d4, which seemed mathematically improbably but happened nonetheless

[stiff jewel]

And BA is used by FoB mostly anyway

[glass granite]

Yeah, monk BA is super contested

[stiff jewel]

Better than it used to be atleast

[glass granite]

As a DM who underestimated bless when they first started, bless is soooo good

And it’s fun for the players too, cuz missing sucks

[gaunt roost]

I know, right? especially what happened with like three different people "Ah, total is a 15... WAIT I HAVE BLESS" completly negating the bad feeling "Missing by 1"

[still plover]

Praise the Sun!

[glass granite]

“I call upon the blessings of the gods on high, may your gaze be a boon for us lowly pilgrims!”
-# I personally really like it when players chant phrases in climatic moments when casting spells

[stiff jewel]

I'm guessing taking 4 attacks normally is better than taking just two at advantage?

[glass granite]

Yes

[stiff jewel]

Oooh I wonder if that would be the same for Champion Fighters?

[glass granite]

Yes

[still plover]

Same number of dice, but more potential hits.

[gaunt roost]

more attacks = more chances to actually score more hit, so while advantage might increase the chances to hit in general, you could get double the damage from more attacks

its the entire reason why old True Strike was soooo bad

[remote wadi]

More opportunities for damage

[stiff jewel]

Yeah

[gaunt roost]

spend an action, which you could have used to attack, to get advantage on your next attack

or, you know, hit twice for the same amount of dice, and potentially hitting twice

[remote wadi]

That's why most things to give advantage come with an attack or are from a bonus action

Or for Samurai, is the reverse of turning advantage into even more attacks

[gaunt roost]

I get what they were going for (niche rogue with cantrips assassinating people) but even then just using stealth was strictly better

as someone that is multiclassed into clockwork sorcerer, it is my great pleasure to deny enemies advantage sometimes. Or negate disadvantage on our attacks from their invisibility condition or whatever

it is strictly not as good as just rolling out silvery barbs, but I like my dm and dont want to torture them

[remote wadi]

A shame for the early game section for my DnD campaign was my inability to use the fun spells that Ranger has

Silver lining, being level 5 still gives me a helpful pocket of spellcasting that holds up well in the later game for campaigns

Even better, Illusionist Wizard can help me establish a trade deal of sorts: he casts Invisibility on me, I cast PWT on the team

[gaunt roost]

tbf they dont get a lot of fun spells, and if your group lacks any utiltiy caster and you try to do that you will be dissappointed because of so little spell slots (poor rangers that felt tehy needed to take detect magic or aid because the cleric didnt want to)

not that aid is mandatory, but rangers live too little to do purely group spells

[remote wadi]

Not too many, but variety was just weakened more from not having 2nd level spells yet and early game enemies being primarily physical

But when the time comes for it, absorb elements will be fun

[blissful ibex]

still keep reading 'Power Word ', before catching myself and realizing it's Pass Without Trace again

[remote wadi]

Sorry

I'm starting to see why others called it PWAT

[gaunt roost]

"Power Word: Team invisbility" is basically what pass without a trace is

[blissful ibex]

you're fine lol

[stiff jewel]

Getting a little ahead of myself. But it says Boon of Irresistible Offence is recommended, but looking at it it seems awful for Elemental monks. Boon of Dimensional Travel seems fun, teleport after every attack... That is... 150 feet of movent each turn without using movement speed...

[blissful ibex]

nothing to be sorry for, more funny than annoying; You'd think I'd be used to it playing druid

[remote wadi]

Ah

[gaunt roost]

Boon of truesight is recommended on paladin, while generally not fantastic in any situation. Its just a standard recommendation of "Yeah you probably wont regret this is you dont take subclass into account" like most monks should deal normal damage in theory, but subclasses usually switch them out to elemental, force or radiant. So the recommendation is more about "if you dont have a subclass" more than "This is the one you need"

Boon of Exquisite Radiance for example is not recommendet for paladins, despite you potentially being able to max out a crit smites damages once a day for fun effects (Eternal rest is situational, if you fight a lot of necromancers, or absolutly dont want that dragon to return as a dracolich or whatever)

So pick whatever boon you want, not necessarily whatever is recommended. The recommended boon is mostly for "generic high level PC" more than your personal character I feel

[stiff jewel]

Okay I got the maths wrong, it's only once per turn. Not once per attack lol

[gaunt roost]

like wizards get recommended boon of spell recall. While its not a bad boon, at level 19 most wizards dont really care about a 25% chance to not spend a low level spellslot? They got 13 of of those 4 and lower slots, but they only really need their high level slots in a proper fight. Granted, more baseline fireballs, but only with a 25% chance to even do anything you realistically can hope to recover about 3 spells if you use all your low level spell slots

now, half casters like paladins and rangers, that only get up to 5th level spellslots, and use their low level spellslots all the time? THEY most definetly want chances to smite more and get WAY better value out of that one

[stiff jewel]

Yeah, I thought that was a little silly too

[gaunt roost]

so while wizards would rarely ever even roll on that boon, half casters/multiclassed casters get ot roll on it all the time

(also wizards ALREADY regain 10 spell levels on a short rest. Thats already all their level 1 and 2 spells if they please. What are they supposed to spend all those spells on, mage armor the entire group to walk naked into the dragon fight?)

[stiff jewel]

Or third casters, since they only have 1-4.

[gaunt roost]

yep. Its not a bad boon (albeit a little gamble-y for my taste to work) but it can work, just not on a wizard imo

[stiff jewel]

Agreed

[gaunt roost]

well, not a single class wizard

[stiff jewel]

But for both third casters. There are better options too

[gaunt roost]

oh yes, a boon that extends your spell prowress by giving oyu more 1-4 slots maybe is situational. There are options for things that always give you good stuff.

[stiff jewel]

Am I the only one that wishes the Mercy Monk had more healing capabilities? It has... Alright healing potential per round and baked in lesser restoration... But not a whole lot else.

I would give Hand of Harm up for more versatility and a better level 17 ability...

[eager marsh]

Healing is largey a magical effect so being able to heal at all as a martial class is already unusual and the lesser restoration effect can frequently be more valuable than hp healing depending on circumstances

[stiff jewel]

At level 17, the Mercy Monk's level 17 ability is damn weak.

[eager marsh]

you...can bring back the dead .-.

[glass granite]

Martials don’t get the ability to resurrect, so having the option is pretty neat

[noble basin]

i mean it just never comes up

[stiff jewel]

So can half the other classes in the game. But at much earlier levels. It will never be useful

[noble basin]

they shouldve made it a twoparter where you have hand of ultimate mercy and another feature for the hand of harm

[eager marsh]

Mercy Monk does it without any costly material component, needing it prepared to start, and without being a spellcaster with spell slot restrictions

[glass granite]

I don’t particularly think mercy monk needs a buff either

[eager marsh]

Even from a narrative standpoint thats a powerful option

[noble basin]

ok bu5t its level 17 thats not thaaat impressive

[stiff jewel]

How much does revivify cost again?

[tidal bough]

Raising the dead is pretty solid tbh

[still plover]

The idea of trading a feature for an alternative is interesting. One to take up with the DM well in advance, I feel, and lay the narrative groundwork.

[noble basin]

300

[glass granite]

300gp

[eager marsh]

Revivify is 1 minute not 24 hours

[stiff jewel]

At level 17 300 gold is nothing.

[glass granite]

And also only brings back to 1

[eager marsh]

Again, Revivity has a super tight window. As in, if you werent there right as they died, you can't use it

[glass granite]

I do think the feature could be better, but I don’t think it’s too weak

[tidal bough]

Yeah its definitely a better revivify

[stiff jewel]

Even Resurrection is only 1000 GP, if you are level 17 without 1000GP something went wrong.

[still plover]

Player pops up halfway through level 16 asking to change their 17 feature to something that they haven't prepared in their own story, the answer's quite likely to be no and then we're all sad.

[tidal bough]

No material cost, has a better length of time, and 4d10+wis mod healing

[eager marsh]

Resurrection without it prepared? anything level 17+ is almost always time sensitive

It's kind of required to prevent casters from prep timing a situation

Finding someone dead that you need back up now can easily be an issue

[glass granite]

Plus, this is on a class that wouldn’t get access to any healing, let alone resurrection

[eager marsh]

Revivify existing is why players will almost never have the other revival spells prepared. Or the specific value diamonds on hand. Mercy Monk bypasses that problem

[stiff jewel]

That is fair I guess

[gaunt roost]

I do like Mercy monks for what they are supposed to be. They are basically trying to balance life and death, transfering energy (taking symbolized by necrotic damage) from one person to another. They arent actual healers though, but in a combat using one hit from your flurry of blows to get the fighter/rogue/paladin next to you back up is amazing anyways, basically half a bonus action for a healing word

[eager marsh]

Focus points are also short rest. That monk can ressurect a dozen people in a single day if it became necessary for teh story

[noble basin]

the resurrection is only once a long rest

[glass granite]

The feature is only once per long rest

At least in 2024

[eager marsh]

Ah missed that line. still. The 1 cost free revival is pretty strong and a DM should narratively enable it more often

[gaunt roost]

the resurrection thing is just a bonus/the logical conclusion of "transfering life into dead things" without being a necromancer

also also, as most high level campaigns tend to be a bit out there (fighting god and whatnot) you might have all the gold, but not any diamonds where you are

what good is 200k gold if you cannot find a single diamond particle in planeshift distance because you are locked in a demiplane of torment

[tidal bough]

Theres still added buffs for it being a once per long rest that make it worth

[viral kraken]

lol end up with the party each donating some of their carbon and pressing it together super hard for eons in the plane of torment to make a diamond

[eager marsh]

By that point you've passed the ressurection time frame

[viral kraken]

that's a great point, but at least you have a diamond now

[gaunt roost]

that too, revivify doesnt remove conditions, this does and does not have the casting time of 1 hour from raise dead/resurrection

[tidal bough]

Also increased healing so thy dont instadown

[gaunt roost]

also also also it does work if your party member/friend got turned into vampire spawn or whatever. It doesnt have the pesky "doesnt work if the creature was undead at any point"

bonus points if you accidentally make a deaf/blind person come back with those senses intact even though that wasnt something they had while alive previously

the undead rule though. I remember once the dm pulling out a finger of death on an important npc, instakilling them, and because of turning them into a zombie for free that meant the guy was just permanently deleted from the campaign (it ran until level 8)

[burnt valley]

thats just nasty

[empty thicket]

i like the idea of Permanent death being added to a campaign, for either players or BBEG

[remote wadi]

Game ends on BBEG death most of the time anyways

[empty thicket]

But there is the thing, the BBEG isnt stupid, he would have a backup plan, his left hand that was hiding casting REVIVIFY on him after he is killed

[severe rampart]

that, or there is a bigger badder eviler guy working from the shadows

[remote wadi]

If it's the final BBEG, someone would definitely have counterspell

[eager marsh]

Not every BBEG is Acererak or Halaster they don’t always come back and they aren’t always wizards

[remote wadi]

That's more a premise for another campaign

[empty thicket]

or in some moment of hte story, him letting himself get killed. So the party relax and fix the remaining from his invasion so he can be revived in secret and do a show up back in some moment in the future.

[empty thicket]

true, that is why i said LEFT HAND, a servant, ally of him, etc.

[remote wadi]

RER2 spoilers, if you think about it hard enough

[empty thicket]

Would add another layer of genius to it

[empty thicket]

eh? what?

[remote wadi]

Resident Evil: Revelations 2

[empty thicket]

Oh....yeah, didnt remembered it. The idea is mostly going for the classic bit of "i wasnt dead, yet "

[quaint bear]

Greetings fellow wizards and beings of this land

I finish my character now I shall wait to achieve my friends into this

[quaint bear]

Wait I recognise that character…

[remote wadi]

A quote from her is "My escape is death, but not this one"
And it also shares the premise of the antagonist being obsessed with an IRL novel because of how much it reminds them of themselves

[empty thicket]

Yeah, but isnt DnD related so, lets left it there

[remote wadi]

Great game series, though. Wish it got more attention

[quaint bear]

Greetings

[quaint bear]

It’s a good manga THATS all im saying

Doing very well today

[empty thicket]

that sound nice, but yeah. If a party got the access to such spell, i would expect hte BBEG too.
Making him giga hard to kill, forcing the party to find a way to kill him permanently

[quaint bear]

Js not happy school gonna open up soon✌️

[severe rampart]

There is some leeway given to us, but yeah, mostly about DnD

[quaint bear]

I finish all my chores and now I can sit back relax and play video games

[wraith kelp]

hello!

[quaint bear]

Oh nah washing dishes and stuff like that

[wraith kelp]

I just downloaded hogwarts legacy so now i can have more expirience as a wizard in dnd 😄

[quaint bear]

Greetings will the wise from stranger things

It’s easy as it can be

[idle oar]

Hey fine folks! We do have #non-dnd-topics channel for everything not-D&D related.

[quaint bear]

Oh right

[idle oar]

We do ask folks to try and stay relatively on topic for the channel they're posting in per server rules.

[wraith kelp]

awh

sorry!

wdym by DnD creator

[severe rampart]

I'd assume yeah, given there are about 270K members

[quaint bear]

Like a dnd YouTuber ?

[remote wadi]

I mean, wouldn't anyone who made a character qualify for that?

[idle oar]

There's a few folks - we see pretty good use of our #dnd-advertisements channel of folks sharing the D&D tools, services, and products they've created.

[severe rampart]

I think they mean like, posting videos about it, etc.

[buoyant oar]

Probably means more someone on the line of a Creator who creates supplements content. Things like that, not just characters

[severe rampart]

or that

[remote wadi]

Was half joking about it. Creator is such a loose thing

[buoyant oar]

There's a lot of supplement creators over in the Al space

Certified artist here

[severe rampart]

artists would be in #dnd-arts-and-crafts as well

[buoyant oar]

Speaking of D&D artists, this past week I got to have lunch with Larry Elmore. It is always a pleasure to hang out with him

Actively working on a portfolio website right now, but you can search my username in this server and I've posted quite a bit of art

[idle oar]

We do have #dnd-arts-and-crafts for sharing of your D&D arts and crafts - and we do have a lot of telented folks in our community

(but also keep any soliciting to #dnd-advertisements or private messages - thanks!)

Oh and a final word of caution: with a community of our size we also have a fair amount of scammers so please be careful and do your due diligence.

[buoyant oar]

Out of respect for the rules of the space if you want to talk more. Send me a DM.

Are you converting them to the new 2024 rule set or just 5th edition in general?

Blessed Be. Crunch was never anything that I could get a good grasp on. My big project that I'm working on is 100% pure fluff

Crunch is anything to do with math or converting or things like that

A fluff is things that have no mechanical benefit

That usually means things like lore and stuff like that

[cinder portal]

hi can anyone guide me about d&d? i wanna play it for the first time and idk what to buy now

tyy

[stuck shuttle]

D&D can be gotten into completely for free. The Basic Rules can be found in both #learn-to-play and the pins of #dnd-newcomers .

The server doesn’t host games directly, but it does have an LFG function both for paid and free games. The general instructions are in #find-a-game , otherwise you can go directly to #paid-looking-for-game (if you want to pay for a game) or #looking-for-players

Just keep in mind soliciting/advertising games outside the proper channels is unfortunately against server rules

[steep venture]

hey is this the place i can talk whit someone about a dnd campgain idea

[stuck shuttle]

Are you a DM? You might enjoy posting it in #dm-discussion or #dm-world-building then!

[severe rampart]

yeah or you can use #dm-discussion or #dm-world-building

[steep venture]

oh thx

[severe rampart]

Well, looks like I just Echo'ed your words

[stuck shuttle]

Looks like your name fits /j

[shell crown]

Hey there. Just wondering about some general etiquette. If I make a dnd character that dies, can I use the same character again from lvl 1 in a different game and/or world?

[severe rampart]

in a different campaign? yeah

hell you can slap a different name on it and use it as your next character in the same campaign, add in a little backstory saying they were a relative of the character you had that died and boom there you go

[shell crown]

Alright cool 😂

[stuck shuttle]

Usually people make 1 character per campaign (not counting future characters they make for the same campaign), but nothing prevents you from reusing the character/concept in a different game

[buoyant oar]

While it is usually fine as long as the character uses the options the DM allows. Many DMs I know like Bespoke characters for their campaigns.

[stuck shuttle]

Just don’t expect the character to carry anything over

[shell crown]

Alright thx everyone 👍

[regal garnet]

Can somebody teach me how to play?

[raw ocean]

You can probably start by searching up the base rules, you can find them on D&D Beyond

[severe rampart]

?new

darn I thought that was it

[raw ocean]

/new

[severe rampart]

First you can go to #learn-to-play and read all about it

[raw ocean]

darn I thought that was it

[severe rampart]

then you can go to #dnd-newcomers and if you have any questions feel free to ask

[stoic obsidian]

Bladesinger:You expect me to fight the dragon in melee
Arcane Archer;Well yeah you have swords don’t you
Bladesinger:So do you, and yet we both have range options, so we could just blast it from afar

[crimson gulch]

that dragon is going to get on someones face, its better if the party picks and not the dragon

[idle oar]

Sorry just saw this. All game soliciting/organizing needs to take place in the Looking For Game channels or via private messages. See #find-a-game to learn how to use our Looking For Game channels.

[graceful flax]

I'd love to see him if you don't mind

[stark arch]

is there a way i can use items to make a posiones cloud ? like cloud kil ??

[noble dome]

Hey peeps, I have a Warlock of the Fathomless in my game and I wanted to give her a cool eldritch-y water-y based familiar. She wants an eel, but I don't think we have those, so I was wondering if anyone has a suggestion of a cool familiar I can give her? I'm ok if it's homebrew, or third party too. I posted it here just so I wouldn't cross-post channels.

[livid owl]

Are you asking for like, established in game familiars or just cool aquatic animals? Because Bobbit Worms are about as Eldritch as the sea can get

But to my knowledge no one's made a stat block for Bobbit Worms lol

[empty thicket]

like, aquatic familiar?
mmm....
Frogs are cute
completely fishy i could say of giving her a jellyfish
And she can use the jellyfish like a hat

[noble dome]

I'm cool with whatever, really. Her patron is a sea leviathan demigod, so I just wanted something thematic and I realized Eels are not in the MM 😛

Perhaps an aberration would be cool like a Slaad Tadpole or something similar. I'm okay with something as powerful as a Sphynx of Wonder

[livid owl]

Baby aboleth?

[stoic obsidian]

Yeah true, but I am saying probably better for the barbarian to go than the range characters

[noble dome]

That would definitely be interesting, but I don't believe there's a statblock for that is there?

[empty thicket]

yep, but are cute

[livid owl]

I THINK there's one for a young aboleth?

[crimson gulch]

i used the slaad tadpol stat block for aboleth hatchlings before

[noble dome]

I think I'll do something similar then! Thanks guys ^^

[worldly elbow]

Can someone please explain how to play the game I’m very confused but curious at the same time

[idle oar]

Check out #learn-to-play and #dnd-newcomers!

[worldly elbow]

Ok thx

[stiff jewel]

If an aoe effect says that you take poisoning if you end your turn in it, but you have a feature that removes poison at the end of your turn?

Does the poison happen or not?

[hidden spindle]

First, Poison happens.
Next, Poison removal happens.

You can't Poison Removal if you never get Poisoned. And even if the result is what is was before, everything needed to happen.

[stark arch]

is bleach a thing in dnd and how mutch would it cost ?? if not wat would be a good basic ingreedient to make it using the alchemist supplies ?

[stiff jewel]

What would you need it for?

[stark arch]

im homebrewen a way to make alternative to stinking cloud and cloud kil in alchemist fire format. throw away forget weapon with effects

figiring out if i need to collect ingrideints

or just x amount of gold over x amount of time

crafting alchemist fire takes 8 hours and 25 gold

[hidden spindle]

If you're good with chemistry... it exists.

[stark arch]

but does the player need to get raw materials? or only gold?

[delicate owl]

In a world where magic exists, cleaning products arent as needed besides basic soap.

Just go to your local magical laundromat of Prestidigitation casters

[stark arch]

like when crafting alchemist fire all it says " 25 gp worth of raw materials (half the final item's value)."

[crimson gulch]

crafting costs are expressed in gold but that is the price of the materials

[stiff jewel]

Ah, so the mustard gas Geneva convention breaking build. Got it

[crimson gulch]

so a player cannot just craft things unless they have appropriate materails that the dm controlls access to

[stark arch]

yes

[hidden spindle]

You could probably use an Alchemist's Supplies, for the process.

Bleach is: NaClO (Sodium Hypochlorite)

[stark arch]

wat would be best way to roleplay to create bleach? wat is it made from ?

[crimson gulch]

so the dmg says that the DMG is not ment to simulate reality, so as a player you cant invent new things and try to force your dm to make them work

[hidden spindle]

Sodium Hypochlorite.

All it is is Salt (NaCl) with an Oxygen (O). But it's really the chemical processing to make it

[stark arch]

so when making alchemist fire does the player also need to buy the raw materials? and is this up to do dm to say what that would be?

[crimson gulch]

yes

and for the dm to determine IF they are avalable

[stark arch]

ok

[lime vapor]

You should first ask your dm if you are playing with materials, maybe you'll be lucky and he'll say no 😉

[stark arch]

i have

he tells me to look up some info and so on

[lime vapor]

Then yeah my friend, start collecting

[stark arch]

probaly need to water down the spell effect of cloud kill

btw would this consider a magic item??

cloud kil in a bottle ala mustard gas

[storm magnet]

Does the river styx exist in Forgotten Realms?

[hidden spindle]

It would probably be a nonmagical item. Like Inhaled Poisons

[fiery perch]

I am in a one shot with a druid whose int is 18 and wis is 13 and dex is 6 (we rolled stats) and he is playing without arms (so no somatic components of spells for him)

How do I not stab him myself

also 18 HP at level 3

[hidden spindle]

Because he can Wild Shape.

[fiery perch]

in 5.5e he doesn't get new HP

[umbral girder]

It exists in the Lower planes and not the Material plane. So no.

[fiery perch]

if he could wild shape I would not have been that mad but bro's 18 HP is ALL HE HAS

[storm magnet]

Wdym it exists in the lower planes?

[hidden spindle]

Subclass?

[umbral girder]

The River Styx flows through the Lower Planes

[fiery perch]

Moon circle

[umbral girder]

Like we got the Upper Planes, Lower Planes, and Middle planes on the Planescape map.

Upper Planes is basically where Good aligned creatures are/go and Lower Planes is the reverse.

[loud tendon]

Its a one shot, probably not a huge cause to stress yourself out about it...

Rolled stats give and take.. apparently they didnt invest a huge number in Con but that is their choice. They and the dm approved the concept right?
So let them have fun with it and play your character to the best of your ability so you have fun with it

[umbral girder]

The Lower Planes have the River Styx and the Upper Planes have their own river I am forgetting the name of

[fiery perch]

It's a dungeon crawl

He will die in 2 hits and I am not even gonna heal him

[storm magnet]

Ah okay. I ask because I made a reference to the river styx as a joke and someone in my party was like "You know what the River Styx is?" I'm in a home brew campaign where everyone was teleported from their own world and I picked FR for mine. So it's not an inconsistency then to know about it?

[fiery perch]

He didn't even roll bad stats,

[crimson gulch]

i cant stand it when folks take their PC's and make it so they are missing huge imporant abilities like this

i dont allow it in my games personally

[fiery perch]

Bro we are in a dungeon crawl, I am the cleric and it's a 1st time DM - he will die to a goblin

[crimson gulch]

so hopefully he learns from that

[fiery perch]

Well the good thing is he will die like 20 minutes in and be able to make a new char

[umbral girder]

It’s just a general Multiverse thing.

Plus the Greek, Norse, and Egyptian gods are canon to Faerun

[hidden spindle]

I like disjointed ability scores distributions. It's rolled stats. Don't be a duck. It's a team game

Moon Druid, he can work with that

[crimson gulch]

i mean, the river stix is not in the forgotten realms, its in the hells, but depending on your caricters level of knowledge of such things they could know about it

[umbral girder]

The River Styx is basically the way creatures travel between All the lower planes without Plane shift

[umbral girder]

Notably it’s not just the hells. It’s all Lower Planes

It’s how Yugoloths and Demons keep showing up in the Blood War

[storm magnet]

So it wouldn't be common knowledge?

I'm a paladin with a flavor religon background so ig I could know about it if it isn't

[umbral girder]

Is your character studied in the Fiends and their planes?

Aka Proficient in Religion

[storm magnet]

I have a +0 in religion

I have spells that deal with fiends and stuff so ig in universe I have to be a little studied as a paladin no?

[crimson gulch]

nope, anyone can make an oath regardless of understanding of such things, feinds and undead can still just smell wrong

[umbral girder]

Having a weapon does really give you knowledge on other creatures

Like I can be given a bear trap to use but I’m not gonna know about bears.

[storm magnet]

Hmm, I goofed then

[umbral girder]

Could just say “it’s a common expletive at my church”

[storm magnet]

That works yeah!

[umbral girder]

Could be a character detail

[woeful heart]

can anyome help me find a game?

[umbral girder]

“I use new words I heard without learning their meaning” or something to that effect

[idle oar]

Read through #find-a-game carefully

[woeful heart]

thank u

[storm magnet]

That would definitely fit my character. The way I used it does imply I know what it is though. There was a dead NPC and I joked he should be given a coin for his boat fare.

[umbral girder]

Easy “that’s what my teachers said when someone died”

[storm magnet]

That's perfect!

Ty

[umbral girder]

Also informative of the type of people he knows

[blissful ibex]

you get temp hp equal to druid level IIRC

[fiery perch]

we are level 3

[hidden spindle]

He gets thrice Druid level in THP iirc

[fiery perch]

What does IIRC mean

[fiery perch]

it's equal to druid level

[blissful ibex]

yeah, 3x for moon druid

[umbral girder]

Moon Druid gets triple their level in temp hp

[blissful ibex]

so they'd get 9, which is half again their existing HP total

[hidden spindle]

"If I recall correctly"

[fiery perch]

ooo
so
9 temp hp
times 2
18 temp hp
so like
36 effective hp

[blissful ibex]

no, 3*3 is 9
so 18 + 9
27

[fiery perch]

they have 2 wild shapes

[blissful ibex]

doesn't stack

[fiery perch]

IIRC

[fiery perch]

doesn't need to for effective HP

[blissful ibex]

ye ,they'll have two charges

also healing word is purely verbal

and they can cure wounds in wildshape as a 2024 moon druid

[hidden spindle]

With animal hands! 🐾

[fiery perch]

Yea that too
I have like base HP 36

• I can use twilight sanctuary for 1d8 + 4 temp hp + sanctuary + shield of faith + plate armor and shield give me 20 AC

so I will be the party's main tank

[severe rampart]

any animal?

[fiery perch]

Their healing word and 36 effective HP almost makes me not want to stab them anymore

[hidden spindle]

Umm... maybe? There's a section somewhere, lemme find it

[blissful ibex]

at level 3, any beast of CR1 or lower

[fiery perch]

and no fly speed

[hidden spindle]

Moon Druid's AC is boosted too since '14 to '24

[fiery perch]

his AC is less than 10 IIRC

[blissful ibex]

13+wis if higher than the stat block you're using

[hidden spindle]

His DEX/WIS Mod is -4?

[blissful ibex]

dex doesn't work in animal form

[fiery perch]

let me check the sheet

AC is 8

[blissful ibex]

Your game statistics are replaced by the Beast's stat block, but you retain your creature type; Hit Points; Hit Point Dice; Intelligence, Wisdom, and Charisma score...

[fiery perch]

I gtg for dinner cya'all

[hidden spindle]

Iirc, you can use one Base Armor Calculation when you have multiple Base Armor Calculations

[umbral girder]

There is some iffy math going on I feel

[blissful ibex]

so you choose either the stat block's AC or the modified 13+WIS mod ac, whichever is higher

13 wis puts them at 14ac with the moon druid calc

[loud tendon]

The only thing I find odd about the stats the druid chose were that they boosted their int to 18 not their wis. So their wild shape ac is drastically nerfed.

Low HP can be rough but they wouldn't be the first player ever to dump con

Oops sorry, meant to turn reply off

[blissful ibex]

I mean, I dump con on druid

[blissful ibex]

you're fine, I prefer ping

[keen kestrel]

That’s something you can do lol

[woeful heart]

how many people can u play dnd with? can u play it with just 2

[umbral girder]

Sure

[blissful ibex]

I mean, it caused a like 40+ minute long arguement when I mentioned it yesterday

[keen kestrel]

I did treat con as a tertiary stat on my genie paladin, but that’s more so because I wanted to build around unarmored defense

And I plan to take the tough feat to mitigate it

[hidden spindle]

Actually, they're both active. You just chose one to be applied at any given time

[blissful ibex]

my poor plasmoid is stuck in uncomfortable armor until she can find a barrier tattoo (medium)

[keen kestrel]

Who needs those when you can have like 16 ac with nothing but some fancy silk robes on

[blissful ibex]

I have midling dex XD

[keen kestrel]

Perks of playing a very unusual multiclass I suppose

[blissful ibex]

and barrier tattoo gives me like 16~17ac which is okayish for a mid/back liner

[keen kestrel]

Basically, I built my genie paladin to have 20 dex/20 cha by level 20

[blissful ibex]

see, my girl is silly because she needs str, dex, wis, and cha

[keen kestrel]

Is it good? Probably not, but it’s very funny to imagine some guy in silk robes praying up to a tarrasque and beating it up

I did plan to play a variant human for the tough feat, just to play it safe

[blissful ibex]

I have tough off of Eldritch Infusions
Lessons of the First Ones is incredibly nice

issue was to get pact of the blade to have parity with even just moderate investment into EB I have to jump through a ton of hoops >.>

[pulsar fossil]

good feats for sorcerer 5.5e wild magic

i have elven accuracy rn and want to increase my con by 1

[blissful ibex]

for con

[keen kestrel]

Warcaster?

[blissful ibex]

can't resiliant because you already have con prof

[pulsar fossil]

hmm

[hidden spindle]

Chef

[pulsar fossil]

the issue is im 20 in charisma

[blissful ibex]

Speedy or Rebuke maybe

[umbral girder]

And?

[pulsar fossil]

do i just take feats for feats?

[umbral girder]

Don’t see the issue

[keen kestrel]

You can always pump wisdom or int with warcaster tbf

[blissful ibex]

nvm, rebuke is terrible

[pulsar fossil]

i can

[hidden spindle]

You could do an ASI. Boring but effective

[keen kestrel]

You certainly can, dunno how good that’d be but warcaster is insanely good for maintaining concentration

[blissful ibex]

ye, speedy, chef, or durable

[keen kestrel]

@blissful ibex I’ve talked myself into making a blood hunter, now I need a gothic horror campaign for it

[pulsar fossil]

STR 10
DEX 14
CON 17
INT 12
WIS 13
CHA 20

[blissful ibex]

CoS time?

[pulsar fossil]

this is my stats

[keen kestrel]

I’m in two different CoS campaigns currently lol

[keen kestrel]

Take warcaster, push wis to 14

[umbral girder]

Wis and Con are usually very important saves

[blissful ibex]

that's so much con q_q

[raw ocean]

I wonder what 20 int would translate too irl

[keen kestrel]

The extra point in con is not gonna do more than advantage on con saves for spells

[blissful ibex]

yeah, would just hard ASI +1 wis +1 con at this point

[pulsar fossil]

at 12?

[blissful ibex]

or warcaster wis

[pulsar fossil]

im planning ahead

[umbral girder]

As high as you can ideally at all levels

[keen kestrel]

I guess it depends, are you going to level 16 and getting another feat?

[umbral girder]

Especially at higher levels when Wis saves get so much more meaner

[pulsar fossil]

im asking for my next feat

[umbral girder]

A lot of “you do not get a turn” stuff

[pulsar fossil]

do i take metamagic adept xd

[umbral girder]

Yeah that’s what this about

Are you not reading the chat messages?

[pulsar fossil]

ohh

i didnt see that mb

[keen kestrel]

I’d take warcaster either way and call it a day, con saves are important but the main one you’ll make is for concentration spells, so an extra con stat doesn’t seem nearly as worth

[blissful ibex]

ASI(WIS/CON) or War Caster (WIS)

[keen kestrel]

And you have proficiency in con saves, all an extra con does is bump your hp a bit

[pulsar fossil]

i just want to raise it by one tbh

[blissful ibex]

War Caster gets you advantage on concentration and also bumps wis which is more important at this point

[keen kestrel]

While it feels bad to have an uneven stat, warcaster is insanely good and worth considering over an asi

[pulsar fossil]

k

[keen kestrel]

And you’ve got con in the ideal range (16-17)

[blissful ibex]

also lets you do oppurtunity attacks with your spells/cantrips that arte single target
or heal/buff someone as they move by

[pulsar fossil]

war caster at lvl 8

[keen kestrel]

At level 12 you could take a feat that pumps con

[pulsar fossil]

next level 12 and 16

[timber turtle]

Is dexterity fighter as good as strength fighter?

[knotty pasture]

Dexterity is probably better than strength fighter

[blissful ibex]

Rapier is a very nice weapon, and longbow is good as well

[keen kestrel]

In the early levels it’s fine, but optimally PAM and GWM do outdo it for damage in pretty sure

[knotty pasture]

More flexible overall build wise in terms of subclasses

[keen kestrel]

But like, it’s small bumps and you can do fun things with it

[umbral girder]

In versatility better
In damage and tankiness not so much

[blissful ibex]

or Sun Blade if you want to get fancy with it
requires attunement though

[keen kestrel]

But yeh, we’re starting back up on Saturday with one of our CoS playthroughs

Currently playing a hexblade warlock who uses a longbow in that one

[blissful ibex]

need more longbow casters

[umbral girder]

Ranger and 2024 Eldritch Knight moment

And maybe Swords Bard? Does Valor get bows?

[blissful ibex]

I'm too busy playing silly 3/4 caster multiclasses to access longbow on my druid

[blissful ibex]

valor does, also warden druid

[keen kestrel]

Right? Basically I’m playing as a sneaky warlock who’s contracted to the Raven Queen, it’s pretty fun

[pulsar fossil]

what about gift of gem dragon btw

[keen kestrel]

It’s fun because my appearance is very odd compared to everyone else in Barovia, but then I just melt into the background

[cinder spruce]

Hello other dnd fellows

[blissful ibex]

I'm considering GOOlock with One With Shadows
but I also really enjoy Master of Myriad Forms

[keen kestrel]

A str save is usually not great, since a lot of creatures have good str

[keen kestrel]

I’m thinking of taking shadow touched so I can cast invisibility for free, my invocations are a bit tied up in hexblade ones sadly

The only sucky thing about playing a martial warlock is you don’t get much choice on your invocations

[blissful ibex]

I got 3 taken up by pact of the blade, 1 for LOtFO: Tough, and then one for either LOtFO skilled, One With Shadows, or Master of Myriad Forms

dumb that EB only needs like 2 invocations to work and pact of the blade needs 4 + additional feats

[keen kestrel]

Honestly, it’s more flavor than anything at this point for me, I know there are better feats but I want to have a bit of fun with it

[keen kestrel]

This might sound controversial, but I think the extra attack effect should just be tied to hexblades rather than be an invocation

[blissful ibex]

it should be tied to character level and inherant in PotB or improved pact weapon c:

[keen kestrel]

Pact of the blade warlocks can still use true strike

[keen kestrel]

I think BG3 did that, which would also make sense yes. I liked how they did improved versions of the pacts at level 5

[hoary totem]

Party Idea: Bladesinger wizard, Swords or Valor bard, Eldritch Knight fighter, Arcane Trickster rogue and Hexblade warlock. They keep getting confused for each other

[keen kestrel]

Ill talk to my dm about it, but superior pact weapon doesn’t include the text about ranged weapons, but he’ll probably be fine if I swap them and still continue to use bows

[blissful ibex]

like if EB number of instances scales natively wholly irrespective of class levels, PotB attacks should as well
and then add weapon mastery to inproved pact weapon and then call it a day

If EB is basically fully built with Agonizing Blast and Eldritch Spear; Pact of the Blade should have the same treatment and only need Pact of the Blade and Improved Pact Weapon for most of its functionality

[keen kestrel]

Don’t forget wild magic barbarian

[burnt valley]

Anybody played geoguessr with dnd statblocks

[keen kestrel]

I did think about taking sharpshooter (2014) but it doesn’t function super well if I can’t get advantage

[tropic oriole]

That’s a thing?

[burnt valley]

No, but it's a fun idea

[tropic oriole]

I agree!

[scenic gust]

speaking of bows and warlocks, i've had this character concept floating in my head of a gloom stalker / warlock who casts darkness and just murks people in it. yay or nay?

[blissful ibex]

yay

[tropic oriole]

Dilly dilly. There’s an NPC in my campaign who is a Drow Gloom stalker / Rogue. He uh… he wrecks.

I can def see a Gloomlock being a sick PC

[hidden spindle]

Found it!

Monsters Casting Spells

It’s important that players can tell when their characters’ opponents are casting spells, giving the characters the opportunity to cast Counterspell or otherwise interfere with the spellcasting.

When a monster casts a spell, check the components it’s using and describe its activity appropriately. If the spell has Verbal components, the monster might chant, boldly proclaim, or hiss the mystic syllables of the spell. Somatic components involve the monster moving its hands (or similar appendages) in graceful patterns, shaping them into angular positions, or thrusting them sharply forward. Finally, the monster might be holding a Spellcasting Focus or some other Material component.

[crimson gulch]

whenever i call attention to the enemy wizards wand they all instantly say GONNA GET THAT WAND

and then they sometimes do and its really fun

[serene jolt]

That's why I grabbed a level of fighter (first level). I use a Shortbow and I get vex. With sharpshooter, as long as I hit at least once, I can keep getting adv on that creature.

What I need to start doing is actually just using my first attack without sharpshooter instead of being dum dum and risking it for the biscuit. So I can at least get my initial adv. But I'm stubborn.

[keen kestrel]

Should work fine, your stats will be slightly wonky but that sounds like a hilarious combination

Although a melee weapon would work a little better, you can just take sharpshooter to be able to shoot at point blank range lol

[snow zephyr]

It's a wand of tax evasion

[burnt valley]

Thats an Artifact tier magic item

[snow zephyr]

Only if you get away with it

[keen kestrel]

Crud, now I wanna make a gunslinger character

[snow zephyr]

Otherwise it's a common item

[blissful ibex]

See, you just go warlock 2 valor bard 6, grab Agonizing Blast, Eldritch Spear, and Pact of the Blade for your Infusions, and then just EB and attack in the same action every turn c:

thanks I hate it

[keen kestrel]

Orrrr, I just play a blood hunter with a rifle and infuse it radiant damage as WOTC intended

[blissful ibex]

just hate how easy EB is to set up vs pact of the blade
on top of them burning some of the more martial Eldritch Invocations off the UB apparently

[scenic gust]

yeah, havent put thoughts to paper about it, more of a thematic concept really. But stat wise i was thinking maybe prioritizing dexterity and charisma

[keen kestrel]

And on top of that, pact of the blade is never gonna keep up dmg wise unless you build into the og GWM and play a round that

[blissful ibex]

eeh, current GWM works with it

[robust gull]

Hi guys

[blissful ibex]

just utterly kills your stat spread

[keen kestrel]

I mean, I’d just put dex at 14 and wear medium armor

[keen kestrel]

Og is better since you can darkness for advantage and mitigate the -5 if we’re talking optimally

[blissful ibex]

But they should just Make Thirsting/Devouring blade a standard part of the base Pact of the Blade
and add Weapon Mastery to Improved Pact Weapon

[hexed silo]

quick question, is it possible for a Lich's phylactery to be a corpse that is not his own? for example, the corpse of his daughter before he became a lich.

[keen kestrel]

Yes, but WOTC hates it when we do fun things

[hexed silo]

very true lmao thanks!

[loud tendon]

they are usually small, wellmade objects. Easier to hide or relocate

[keen kestrel]

Oh sorry, this was in reference to warlocks having to go through extra hoops to be a martial class

[keen kestrel]

Technically it can be a lot of things, so you could for sure flavor this somehow

[blissful ibex]

Okay so it'd be like:

• Allow standard Pact of the Blade to manifest ranged weapons
• Improved Pact Weapon now requires 2~5 levels of Warlock to take as an Eldritch Invocation
• Thirsting/Devouring Blade and Weapon Mastery are added to Improved Pact Weapon in addition to the existing +1/+1 bonus
• Then throw in a few Lifedrinker/Repelling Blast/Grasp of Hadar-esque Invocations as options to round it out. (Possibly having them require either Chain or Blade and having them work with either your Chain Minion's attacks or your attacks, allowsing you to take them twice to apply to both similar to how the generic warlock cantrip options work)
• Maybe an add-on Eldritch Invocation that allows you to manifest a second weapon or a shield as part of the BA and gives shields proficiency
• Bring back the Heavy Armor Invocation

[tidal bough]

It is an imagination game, you can make it work that way if you want it to even if it isnt standard

[mystic shuttle]

Hello

[west timber]

just making sure I got this right. Scimitars are light so they can be monk weapons correct

Cool, fun magic swords for my monk are possible yaaay

[mystic shuttle]

How is everyone on this fine Friday morning

[blissful ibex]

decent

be better if I had a game to play in XD, but my campaign isn't until sunday and the AL server I play on is still slow for end of the year stuff

[mossy steeple]

Why are some of the durations in this game so extremely long? Like, "To make a permanent teleportation circle, you have to use this spell in the same location everyday for 365 days". When will I use this knowledge? Why isnt it like, a week or something, or just very expensive?

[split rivet]

Tired, exhausted, and bored out of my mind

[mossy steeple]

Overheated

[west timber]

To do stuff like establish a Teleportation network

to make it possible in game for players, but out of reach unless committed

The spells in the PHB are ALSO DM Tools so while you as a player might not use it too much, its good information for a DM

[blissful ibex]

like that example specifically is something most major cities and insitutions would hire a mage to set up for them and provide matierals for

[mystic shuttle]

I’m sorry to hear that. I hope it gets better

[mossy steeple]

I feel like staying in the same place for 1 year without pause is still pretty out of reach

[mystic shuttle]

What do you mean?

[split rivet]

Mostly from wrestling and having to deal with my siblings

[mossy steeple]

Its hot here, and I was outside for a long time

[mystic shuttle]

Okay. So you mean it literally lmao

[west timber]

I mean...A lot of people do that IRL when they dont go on vacation, and it doesnt have to be you who does it each time.

Like if a player really wants to do it without using a bastian they can pay an NPC to do it

But again that part is mostly a DM tool, and to keep it out of reach of players unless they are really dedicated to it

[blissful ibex]

Only costs like 748,250 gp to hire someone to cast a 5th level spell every day for a year with a 50gp material cost every time RAW

[mossy steeple]

Thats true. Ill keep that in mind, if there is ever a Homebase in consideration

[mossy steeple]

Easy money

[pearl hedge]

can you waste a spell slot with a bonus action outside combat?

[blissful ibex]

if you mean cast, yes

you generally still have actions/bonus actions, etc outside of combat on an ongoing basis, you just ignore them most of the time because you don't need to be that specific with timings

[west timber]

Bastions are a good tool for this, theres even a teleport circle facilities if your players want it

[blissful ibex]

every 6 seconds you get your action, bonus action, object interaction, and movement

[pearl hedge]

yeah my friend wants to cast divine sense to locate some human(?) cultists but i don't think it would work it only works on celestials fiends and undead

[mossy steeple]

Bastions as in fortresses? Or is it a specific term I dont know

[blissful ibex]

Ruleset for a player controlled base possibly with NPCs, crafting services, and the like

[mossy steeple]

Ah, and bastion is the word for that. Alright, thanks

[mossy steeple]

How common are they, and when would they best be implemented Lvlwise?

[blissful ibex]

IIRC somewhere in tier 2

[pearl hedge]

@blissful ibex @jolly goblet i just don't know if it's a good decision for my friend to cast

[blissful ibex]

You're likely to pick up celestial or fiend familiars potentially, at the very least
so if the cultists have any of those, they'd be pinged

[minor cargo]

IMO it’s a design choice to make it sound REALLY impressive.

As a DM, I can then introduce an “aha!” moment for players where you CAN shorten it - and then we go into the next adventure.

[lavish flame]

Multiple people in a party can have one, and they start as low as 5th level

[blissful ibex]

locate object or locate creature or some other divination spell would likely work better in this instance

[pearl hedge]

hmm.. we're level 2..

[blissful ibex]

not much you can do then, either ask around about suspicious folk or see if you can track them via some mundane method

[pearl hedge]

we're probably going to infiltrate them posing as new followers

seems like the best option, "keep your friends close, enemies closer" etc etc

[blissful ibex]

see if you can get eyes on some of their initiates and get disguised made before hand if you can
pose as the sort of folks they generally target

[pearl hedge]

i told the group we might need to buy disguises, but i'm okay because i have a hooded cloak that's cult-adjacent

[balmy halo]

Let me know if you're still looking for someone ?

would you mind if I share my portfolio over dm ?

[west timber]

Do you have the DMG? Or have acess to one? Because all these rules are in the 2024 DMG

[tacit bluff]

Hi!

[mossy steeple]

I have. It just basically said "If you want, do it before Lvl 10", so I wanted to know when others had theirs usually

[buoyant oar]

I started giving out access to Sidekicks from Tasha's around level 3. For when not all the party can make it. A bastion, depends on the game but I typically give those out at level 5 with hirelings starting shortly there after.

[keen kestrel]

@blissful ibex well, if you find another campaign to play in, I’m down to join

[west timber]

"If you allow Bastions in your campaign, characters acquire their Bastions when they reach level 5" directly from the dmg

[fast latch]

Could a Tiefling use their horns to make Unarmed Strikes?

Cause I have an idea for a Monk that headbutts people instead of punches and I think it’s pretty cool

[mossy steeple]

Oh damn. Then I read the wrong part. Well, thank you

[woven flint]

Flavor is free

[blissful ibex]

can explain how you make the attack however you want so long as it is following the standard mechanics for unarmed attacks

[mossy steeple]

Magic Missile, but its a reverse dropkick

[humble cairn]

Yes, you can use any part of your body to make unarmed strikes. It will still be a regular unarmed strike, mechanically.

[west timber]

Monks can already can do that without the horns

Good luck on the concussions though....

[mossy steeple]

Wait. Does that mean you can flurry headbutts?

[humble cairn]

Of course.

[west timber]

Yes

[mossy steeple]

Thats amazing

[west timber]

though like you'd probably get whiplash lol

[hot marlin]

Yes. I once described my monk killing a boss that way. As headbutting the man against a wall until his skull was smashed and my character's face was covered in his brain matter

[humble cairn]

Gruesome

[mossy steeple]

Con save DC 16 or fall unconscious for double damage

[atomic kayak]

mortal combat indeed

[hot marlin]

My character was pretty angry. He had downed the rogue. Nobody kills the rogue but me.

[wintry spindle]

Why did you drown the rogue

[hot marlin]

No, the boss had downed the rogue.

Meaning put the rogue at 0 hp. And the warlock's imp familiar.

My character hated both the rogue and the imp, therefore got furious that someone else got close to killing them

[fast latch]

Siiiick

[vocal sentinel]

Peeks

[full garden]

why am i doing two 8's one 10 and three 15's for every single character now

[keen kestrel]

Like you’re rolling that? Or you’re doing point but for it

[full garden]

that's point buy

[keen kestrel]

Do a 14 in one of those 3, then set another stat to 10

[full garden]

good point are people still rolling or point buy because you can roll much better then a point buy offers, i think the best output you can get with point buy is 5 13's and one 10 thats 76 points total

[keen kestrel]

But that’s just the cleanest way to make a character mechanically work for their specific role

[harsh hinge]

Sometimes you find a groove. My usual PB is a 15, 2 14's, 2 10's, and an 8.

[keen kestrel]

Like if you’re doing random rolls but just doing it to get crazy good rolls, it kind of defeats the purpose of having your particular role and what you want to build around

[full garden]

if you want to multiclass a few classes it looks closer to 13 13 13 13 10 13 or some varation there of

[serene jolt]

Sheesh. That's a lot of multiclassing

[keen kestrel]

The question is why lol, rp wise you can def do it but it feels like it gets to be too much

[robust gull]

Im doing my first campaign and im the dm what do i need to do to run it smooth

[hidden spindle]

Run a session 0 to set boundaries, expectations, and rules

[keen kestrel]

Communicate with your players as much as possible

[full garden]

i donno i was thinking pally bard rogue artificer. lol

[robust gull]

Whats a sessuon 0

[harsh hinge]

Also, realize it will NOT fully run smooth, but seek feedback and try to avoid repeating mistakes (make new ones, though!).

[keen kestrel]

I’m not against multi classing, but on the whole it’s going to be worse usually than just sticking to one class (unless the multiclass fits with your primary stats already)

[robust gull]

My players are my friends that havent played b4 so we ok if i make mistakss

[hidden spindle]

Session 0 is the session before the actual games, and sometimes, when introducing new players

[keen kestrel]

Like an hour or so session before any actual questing to make sure everyone meshes together and people are happy with their builds

[keen kestrel]

Then just think of it as a hangout where you talk about character builds and make sure everyone is gonna communicate what they want

[robust gull]

Any youtubers play dnd that are good to understand what to do per chance

Bet!

[keen kestrel]

Anything Brennan Lee mulligan runs is gonna be very helpful

Critical role is a good watch for their campaigns, I don’t remember if they have a session zero though

[robust gull]

Thanks man

[keen kestrel]

Np, I love me some dnd ngl

You can tell what I like playing though

[full garden]

i donno the point buy system seems to force people into looking for stat granting magic items, it seems silly to me, point buy tops out at 75 and that does not even hit the 50% mark for rolls i think 79 points is the 50% mark. To get the most out of your point buy 13 13 13 13 10 13 is max output

[stuck shuttle]

I wouldn’t say that at all. ASI levels grant most of what you need

[hidden spindle]

The perfect jack of all trades, master of none but oftentimes better than the master of one

[stark tundra]

I'm gonna make a level 6 warlock who made 6 different demon deals

[blissful ibex]

also, with background, this brings you to
13,13,13,13,13,13; it's also the same stat values for standard array

[stuck shuttle]

I’d say all 13s is a waste simply because you’re not specializing in anything

[stark tundra]

I did that with egraz just because I rolled 4 13s

[blissful ibex]

I'd say rolling is terribly imbalanced vs the other two major options and is incredibly spiky with its values; potentially causing incredibly one sided parties

[full garden]

well if 50% of the time you roll higher then 79 obviously rolling is better since most of the time you will throw away rolls under 79, and in the end if you roll under 79 you just say to your gm, ahh i will switch to point buy.

[stark arch]

when buying parchment do you need a container for it?

[hidden spindle]

'14 Base Human and the 13's bumped up to 14's

[hidden spindle]

Possibly a Map Case

[stark arch]

must have??

[hidden spindle]

Not really. Like you could carry an arrow in your hands. Or 20 in a quiver

Cases can hold 5 parchments

[stark arch]

says 5 2014

just 1gp per case i can live with that

[hidden spindle]

My fault. Edited it to 5. Mistook it for 10 for paper

[stuck shuttle]

Id still say such a spread wouldn’t be an ideal scenario. All 14’s isn’t a terrible spread but it’s not amazing either

[stark arch]

Parchment used to make spell scrols for right? i usealy just ask for blank spell scrolls and pay 1gp per scroll

[keen kestrel]

I’d much rather a party of folks who specialize and have their roles, that way people can have their moments to shine

[jovial shadow]

You aren't building a superhero at 1st level, unless you are the lucky few who choose the 4d6 rolls and manages to roll a 17 or 18 or even rarer two 17's or 18's. You start out already as above average in any stat 12 and higher. Once you pick your background you increase those even more, and one can be as high as 17 which is exceptional for any mortal. You can eventually become superhuman, but not at 1st. And nor should you be.

[keen kestrel]

Who’s excited for new years events to be over so we can get back to the important things… like DnD

[meager fractal]

Sorcerers prepare spells once per level, instead of once per long rest.

[keen kestrel]

That is correct yes, that’s why you’ve gotta plan out what spells you intend to take

[stark arch]

ist that very painful?

[meager fractal]

for you

[jovial shadow]

You can change them after a long rest though

[rugged hawk]

Only if you're skill issued and take the wrong ones.

[ocean hound]

Can I join someone campaign

[fiery perch]

I need help with some forgotten realm stuff

My char is basically divine soul sorcerer + aasimar + a bunch of other unearned privileges

and basically the lore is - Tymora and Helm (or another diety who is not beshaba) made a bet involving my PC but I can't come up with the bet - they are wagering souls (if thatis appropriate).

[fiery perch]

we have a westmarch

[ocean hound]

What’s that

[meager fractal]

we have a hulk

[jovial shadow]

https://discord.com/channels/516367331358801950/1070720656917938227

[rugged hawk]

What about a Goldshire?

[fiery perch]

Help me with this

[hidden spindle]

Its not very clear about it 🫤

[meager fractal]

i dun think we can recruit / find games in here

[meager fractal]

what do you need help with

[fiery perch]

the bet / diety / wager

[sour mountain]

Anyone know where I can find a stat block for the Slayer from BG3

[fiery perch]

fellow valo player

[ocean hound]

Well where can I find a campaign on here

[fiery perch]

if you don't mind - can I DM you?

[meager fractal]

Helm: “This mortal will become a bulwark—one others rely on. Responsibility will define them.”

Tymora: “Or they’ll become a wildcard leader, winning loyalty through daring victories and impossible odds.”

[ocean hound]

Sure

[keen kestrel]

I enjoy it, but I like planning out sorcerer builds ahead of time

[fiery perch]

yea I am thinking of some measurable metrics original plan was if my char dies of natural age or something else but it just doesn't fit

[keen kestrel]

You cannot, sorcerers get their spells at level ups and live with them forever

[blissful ibex]

well, you can swap one on level up if taking another sorcerer level, but otherwise yeah

[keen kestrel]

Yes, just def not on long rests

[blissful ibex]

that's more a wizard, druid, cleric, thing

[jovial shadow]

My bad. For some reason I had Wizard on the mind

[keen kestrel]

You’re good, I’ve had to live with my spell list being upfront ever since I played my first sorcerer

[fiery perch]

I got to change my spells on long rest as a sorcerer cuz of homebrew in my 1st campaign

[keen kestrel]

Some people really do get it all

[hot marlin]

Doesn't that just result in sorcerer being a much better wizard but with a slightly worse spell list?

[fiery perch]

My DM allowed me to twin cast silvery barbs in 5e

[fiery perch]

yes

[keen kestrel]

Honestly though, I did make one bad choice, but my dm agreed to let me swap it since I didn’t read the spell correctly

[meager fractal]

My DM let me feel like a rockstar as a martial past level 15

[fiery perch]

DM hated wizard overpowerness so he just buffed everyone else significantly

[keen kestrel]

Wizards have a lot more utility, sorcerers generally can do more with their spells

[crimson gulch]

as it should be, martials carry in every teir of play

[keen kestrel]

“Cries in spellcasters dominating t4”

[wintry spindle]

For me it's also about the aesthetics what class you play. I have a lot of fun with making martials

[crimson gulch]

nah, every 25 plus cr monster has magic resistance and bonkers saves, and with proper adventuring days casters still have to be careful with slots

they only dominate if you run to few encounters

[buoyant oar]

Remember folks Dungeons and Dragons is a war of attrition. By the time that your players get to the boss encounter, they should have at most 50% of their resources

[keen kestrel]

Unfortunately it doesn’t matter if you’re playing as a party of say level 20 wizards and warlocks. They typically will have insanely high spell save dc’s and can blow through legendary resistance and things with ease

[wintry spindle]

I never run out of sword swings

[buoyant oar]

martial superiority has been identified

[crimson gulch]

not really, properly challaing monsters will just make most saving throws

[wintry spindle]

Me with 1 hp left: "I didn't hear no bell"

[keen kestrel]

They really won’t I promise lol

[buoyant oar]

The only hit point that matters is the last one

Another thing you can do in tier 4 which I do all the time is a specific magic monster, suffers no effects from spells below the fourth level.

[crimson gulch]

its very commonly happining, i run several high level one shots a month and have brought 5 seperate full campaigns to level 20

[keen kestrel]

That’s not to say martials are bad, it’s just that spellcasters are THAT much better

[buoyant oar]

That'll get them to burn their high-level spell slots very quickly

[keen kestrel]

Speak to the folks in optimization then, they commonly refer to spellcasters as the best in t4 play

[crimson gulch]

i dont bother talking to white room calculators

[buoyant oar]

That is fair. The game is not played in a spreadsheet

[crimson gulch]

because a real game has so much more going on than they are able to ever account for

i ran 324 sessions of dnd 5e in 2025

[wintry spindle]

Damn thats like 1 every day

[buoyant oar]

When you put a monster versus a party with nothing else going on. Then yeah spell casting superiority shines.

But when you add in layer actions, environmental effects, special resistances for unique monsters, and running six to eight medium to hard encounters a day minimum, your casters are not going to be dominating the battlefield by the end of the day

[crimson gulch]

just about, sometimes two a day, sometimes a day off

[scenic gyro]

Truth. I play a straight T4 wizard and the sheer variety in spells and monster availability means I'm not always going to have the perfect solution, and often the martials can keep on trucking while I get blocked, resisted, or outright immune to what I thought I had prepared.

[wintry spindle]

I respects the passion to the game

[scenic gyro]

last session I got the most mileage out of casting Foresight on the fighter.

[crimson gulch]

max level casters will absolutly chunk an encounter or two during an adventuring day with their top spells, thats why in teir four i run 10 to 12 per day

[wintry spindle]

Which kind of fighter

I kinda wanna try a 2024 eldritch knight throw build

[buoyant oar]

If you run Nova style. Meaning you only have one or two encounters a day or you run boss monsters that have nothing but their stat block and no backup. Yeah your wizard's going to ruin everyone's day. So just don't do that

[wintry spindle]

I hate nova style

Especially when I play a class that benefits from short rests like warlock or monk

[buoyant oar]

An example of Nova style. A paladin with a flame tongue sword at level 10 can nearly one shot a boss monster of an entire module if they start that fight with all their resources.

[keen kestrel]

Wizards can also benefit a little from short rests

[jovial shadow]

You shouldn't have six to eight medium encounters a day anyway, unless the activity is in Bosses dungeon or ruin lair. Where they are just sending wave after wave of minions.

[meager fractal]

arcane recovery is really good

[wintry spindle]

I've played to much with players with nova style players who are like "I have only 3 spell slots left can we have a long rest" and I'm a warlock without any spellslots left

[crimson gulch]

arcane recovery is once per day

[wintry spindle]

But a lot of people want easy dnd

[crimson gulch]

i do mostly all hard encounters via the 2024 exp budget

[wintry spindle]

the new exp budget is so great

[crimson gulch]

6 to 8 is a low day, 10 + is best

[wintry spindle]

It's very fun to make encounters in 2024

[keen kestrel]

That sounds like a drag to me, but to each their own

[wintry spindle]

but encounters shouldn't just be "kill x"

[buoyant oar]

6 to 8 medium encounters is a guideline presented at least in the 2014 dungeon Masters guide. If you're running just hard encounters, the number should be closer to four going up with each level tier

[crimson gulch]

my games are action packed and the combat is how the players advance the narrative

yeah, i go harder than the 2014 daily budget

[wintry spindle]

Sometimes an encounter can just be escape x

[jovial shadow]

What's medium to you might not be medium to everyone

[keen kestrel]

I like dungeon crawls where I get to solve puzzles and dodge traps more than having a bunch of fights just because we have to burn resources

[crimson gulch]

im specificly talking about the exp budget calculations

not a vibes based assement of how hard an encounter is

[buoyant oar]

An encounter difficultly is specifically a calculation based upon the CR of the monster and the party.

[meager fractal]

The new 2024 Dungeon Master's Guide (DMG) shifts focus to encounter pacing, balancing player resource use (including frequent short rests), and suggests 3-5 encounters

[jovial shadow]

I mean I enjoy melee, but if you are giving me constant fights just so you don't have to give me any long or short rests then it's not fun

[buoyant oar]

Not fun for you. That's completely fair. We're talking about the guidelines to prevent characters from utilizing all of the resources all the time and breaking the balance of the game.

[wintry spindle]

I think it's also a good idea to look at the pcs abilitees and make encounters based on that sometimes

[crimson gulch]

challange is fun, and my speciality is making sure players have fun getting their asses kicked

[buoyant oar]

Oh that should be a default assumption to be honest, especially in higher tiers.

[scenic gyro]

a fight will really only last a few moments in a given adventuring day. there'd still be plenty of time between those fights for resting.

[crimson gulch]

short rests happen a lot in my games, 3 to 5 a day usually

[wintry spindle]

My players also just really like my puzzles. But man it's hard to come up with puzzles

[buoyant oar]

I like doing puzzles. Problem is my players like completely drop the ball if it's anything above Puzzles For Toddlers level.

[jovial shadow]

Puzzles and riddles are not fun. I don't play D&D for word play

[buoyant oar]

Again, not fun for you.

[crimson gulch]

i love puzzles, a good dungeon has a variety of challanges

[rugged hawk]

A good dungeon kills anyone trying to loot it

[buoyant oar]

The best dungeons are the dungeons that are so notorious. Their names are lost to time and they have new ones.

Like the Dungeon of Death. Which is a real location in the Forgotten Realms.

[wintry spindle]

I once made a puzzle where they had to figure out which potion was correct. The wizard said his favourite color was yellow. However if you inspected the flowers labeled in his garden, the red flowers were labeled "yellow thistle" turns out he was bad at colors

So red was the right potion

[rugged hawk]

Some players once met a Die Barrel amidst some Dye Barrels. They climbed into it to dye their armor and died.

[jovial shadow]

wow

[rugged hawk]

I know, right? Darwinism at its finest.

[jovial shadow]

It's only Darwinism, when they know if it something that will get them killed

[rugged hawk]

They both melted immediately into its glowing rainbow swirls.

[crimson gulch]

i had the rouge one climb into a machine that drained blood from people because he thought it was a carnival ride, i rolled damage and was about 8 points off from instant death

[rugged hawk]

They'd been so excited to find a sparkly rainbow dye that they totally ignored how it was the ONLY Dye Barrel in the room named Die Barrel

[buoyant oar]

You can never go wrong with presenting players with a good ol' Tower of Hanoi

[rugged hawk]

One of them even noticed the 'misprint' on the barrel but they just 'assumed it was a spelling error'

It was, in fact, not a spelling error.

[exotic sinew]

Why is it that so many people seem to have an issue with the 2024 rules. After reading both books it seems to me like the 2024 rules improved a lot from the 2014.

[buoyant oar]

Easy

Change = Bad

[rugged hawk]

Okay, see, I hear what you're saying. Counterpoint, I already paid for 2014 rules. Give me free updates Also, no one asked for subclasses to only kick in at level 3.

[wintry spindle]

Some people don't want to spend time and energy to learn new stuff even though it's not that hard to learn the changes

[hushed mason]

There's a reason I still play 3.5... and it's not because change is bad. It's because I'm cheap. And lazy.

[buoyant oar]

I did. It gave me a reason to shut down complaining about starting at level 1

[blissful ibex]

It's nice to limit some of the more heavily abused MC shenanigans, and they frontloaded a bunch of additonal class features in return to still make actual MC characters feel nice

[wintry spindle]

Honestly a lot of classes now get cool stuff at lvl 1

[buoyant oar]

And to be fair 5e did get free updates. There was a lot of errata for that system. As well as sage advice.

[wintry spindle]

Initiate sorccery is cool

[blissful ibex]

Really like the Druid's Primal Order

[wintry spindle]

I do think the flavor of warlocks first making a pact at lvl 3 is kinda strange but oh well

[buoyant oar]

The only time I really just disliked a change completely was 4th edition and it wasn't even the mechanics. It was the lore updates to the Forgotten Realms.

Because it was just stupid. Nobody liked it.

[blissful ibex]

only issue is magician is really, really nice compared to warden so I end up taking it even on more martial druid builds and just MCing to make up the missing poroficiencies >.>

[rugged hawk]

4e lore was a WoW expac no one asked for or wanted

[blissful ibex]

cleric also has their own version for religion/arcana c:

[wintry spindle]

I like the Shard minds in 4e

Weird how shardminds havent been seen in 5e with so much mindflayer and gith stuff

[blissful ibex]

5.5e also has the rules glossery and massively simplifies a bunch of stuff that used to slow combat down like oposing rolls and making things just take effect on hit instead of there being a second roll to resist

[buoyant oar]

When it comes to warlocks getting their subclass at level 3, I've always treated it as either.

A. You found a source of Eldritch power and knowledge either knowingly or not. And by level 3 and entity has taken interest in you or you have taken interest in an entity.

Or B, you already have a patron planned out but they want to take you on a test run first. You're basically in warlock probation.

[distant urchin]

Hello there

[blissful ibex]

also really, really happy with them removing ability mods from your number of prepares spells

[wintry spindle]

Yeah thats how I've flavored for now

[rugged hawk]

So you're to blame for losing my extra spell slots

[buoyant oar]

Tbh, the Gith and Mind Flayer stuff is 90% because of BG3

[blissful ibex]

Or you took a pact with a mysterious, unkown entity and have to do legwork to uncover what sort of power you've gone and made a faustian bargain with

[crimson gulch]

complaints echo so much further than contentment

[rugged hawk]

Good, if complaints didn't echo, they'd never be heard and acted on

[wintry spindle]

Weirdly enough they are a big part of call from the deep module

They are odly similar

[blissful ibex]

and for clerics, you can only channel so much of your diety's power, and don't meet the treshold for their domain to manifest until you can handle a certain ammount

for sorcerers it's like having to grow into your bloodline

[buoyant oar]

I really really hope that we get some kind of game product tie-in for the Warlock game.

I feel like we have missed three opportunities now for game products that tie into something that D&D is making.

There wasn't one for the Dark Alliance game that you can no longer buy.

There wasn't really a game product, for the D&D movie. And you could I guess call Descent Into Avernus at game product tie to BG3. But those things were four full years apart.

[rugged hawk]

I hear the logical points you're making and I don't like them. Stop making sense, it's making my rage feel irrational. How dare you

[wintry spindle]

the new heroes of faerun have a lot of bg3 content

[blissful ibex]

we got an MTG tie in though

[buoyant oar]

If we can get a full box set for the final season of stranger things I think we can get stuff for D&D's own stuff. You know what I mean

[keen kestrel]

My campaigns have been primarily starting at level 3, so the change hasn’t been noticeable tbh

[buoyant oar]

Lorwyn was the definition of "oh crap tack it on"

[blissful ibex]

3 is a very good place to start

[keen kestrel]

But in some cases it does feel weird to get a subclass at level 3

[wintry spindle]

Isn't strixhaven mtg tie in

[rugged hawk]

If you're not starting at 1 and dying to your first Giant Spider, are you really an aspiring adventurer-in-training?

[keen kestrel]

The mtg tie ins were cool ish

[blissful ibex]

Strixhavern, Lorwyn, Theros, and Ravnica City of Guilds

[crimson gulch]

im the opposite, trying to make different projects on the same timeline to tie them in seems like a fools errand

[wintry spindle]

So it's mtgs fault silvery barbs excists

[crimson gulch]

let them cook and serve it as its ready i say

[blissful ibex]

yep c:

[keen kestrel]

Nobody knows what my pfp is a reference to when I talk in my lgs discord, and it saddens me

[blissful ibex]

Wither and bloom could have been better also >.>

[buoyant oar]

These decisions are typically made Years in advance. I give a lot of grace because of COVID and stuff. There is time to plan.

[crimson gulch]

i sold a dozen athervials at their peak price a few years back, paid for me to get a 3d printer and a bunch of other stuff

[rugged hawk]

Still no excuse for no dragonlocks Dracolich patron when?

[buoyant oar]

Sammaster Warlock daddy when

[wintry spindle]

Draolich patron?

[crimson gulch]

nothing else needs to exist that they need to make excuses for

things will come as they come, building up these expecations leads to resentment

[violet mica]

So how does hair on Dragonborn’s work

Is it like scale hair similar to how The Thing in Marvel grows a beard or is it just normal ass hair?

[wintry spindle]

I think one of my next pcs is a celestial warlock, who basically has to help the adventures because of heavenly community service

[rugged hawk]

I didn't need expectations to have resentment, all I needed was Hasbro being Hasbro

[buoyant oar]

Depends on the setting In the Realms its not hair but tendril like plumes.

[crimson gulch]

dont let them live rent free in your head like that

[blissful ibex]

TBF, I've never once run into Aether Vial personally, so fair

[crimson gulch]

enjoy your games, and if you cant, drop them and find a new game

[violet mica]

I suppose that makes sense

Never really thought about it until now

[rugged hawk]

Don't worry, I don't have feelings, just a rage meter.

[crimson gulch]

you need to calm yourself then, getting mad about whats happining to a game is going to cause you issues

[meager fractal]

Raffinity winter still haunts me

[rugged hawk]

Peace is a LIE

[exotic sinew]

Alright thank you all for the assistance. I am joining a new group and I am newer to dnd as a whole and there was already an argument before our session 0 about what ruleset we were playing. A lot of people didn’t care but it seemed we were going to do 2024. Then one guy came in and was like no 2024 sucks and we should play 2014 and a few others joined his bandwagon idk it was weird.

[keen kestrel]

I played legacy for awhile, had masterpiece vials and adored them, but I just couldn’t play it much anymore and sold them

[buoyant oar]

I usually don't care about WotC Product launches beyond Hype. The Lorwyn one though was just dumb. The most detailed game fantasy setting ever and a poorly tacked on MTG setting was the best option they could come up with as the third secret DLC? Like bruh. How did this happen?

[wintry spindle]

What is the DMs opinion?

[keen kestrel]

It was primarily a legacy/modern card for awhile, so it’s understandable

[crimson gulch]

i opened so much mirrodin when it was new

[blissful ibex]

Ye, I play more EDH&Pauper, and some standard back around WAR
and the odd game of historic brawl on arena

[crimson gulch]

it only is a lie if you cant protect your own

[lavish flame]

desperately waiting for a roadmap this is getting wild

[exotic sinew]

He doesn’t care ahah. I am going to bring both editions to session 0 today as I am not entirely sure what was decided.

[rugged hawk]

As a DM, my opinion is 'anything WotC puts in the DnDB Marketplace is fair game for my campaigns'

[wintry spindle]

Are you running a module?

[buoyant oar]

Yea, either there was a mid year shake up in 2025 or they were waiting for Eberron to come out after its delay and then holidays.

[exotic sinew]

Again I don’t know 🤷‍♂️

I am kinda sceptical about this campaign cause the dm doesn’t really communicate much

[blissful ibex]

they're back in office as of next week apparently; so I'd assume then at the earliest

[crimson gulch]

Agreed, im hoping for some good new big Campaign books set in the Forgotten realms

[wintry spindle]

You are kinda limiting yourself, since 2014 isn't getting more support since from now on 2024 is what they will focuse on to expand. Also if its because there is something they want to use from 2014 rules like a subclass it can get ported

[buoyant oar]

Gib me the story of Sultana Songal Wotc. Let us play out that rise to power.

[crimson gulch]

i have the radical opinion that all of 5e is backwards and forwards compatable, because thats been my experience with it so far and it all just works

[crimson gulch]

ooh, shes my villian in my calimport campaign, its getting spicy

[blissful ibex]

I just REALLY want the Dark Sun book for Preservation Druid (and would like it to be AL legal for the FR campaign)

and hopefully they don't mess with it too much, maybe some of the later spell selection or giving it a more interesting level 14 ability

[vale sage]

This always happens. Every edition. Personally, I don't mind that people prefer a certain edition but when it gets into, "NO! We're playing the PERFECT edition! MY ONE! THAT I LIKE!" That's when I back away slowly.

[crimson gulch]

Thank you again Kas for pointing out there was Art of Songale by her spell!

[buoyant oar]

Jason Tondro! Give me a Lands of Intrigue Campaign and my life is yours!

[rugged hawk]

Peace is the slippery good intentions to complacency, followed immediately by skill issued DOOM

[buoyant oar]

Ysabel Linden has the perfect Tee up to be a Monsterous Villain

[blissful ibex]

I'm to the point where I'm only interest in making 2024 characters

just vastly prefer the revision

[buoyant oar]

I have already told my players for all campaigns going forward, your options are 5e Revised PHB forward + Tasha Custom Lineage.

[rugged hawk]

Grim Hollow human or bust

(though even I'd agree GH humans might actually be too strong)

[buoyant oar]

I only allow Setting Specifc third party products. Since I am all Realms All of the Time. That limits it to DMsGUILD

[blissful ibex]

xanathar's still has a few fun spells and we're waiting on updates for a bunch of subclasses q_q
been using wildfire druid as a lifeline as it has a somewhat similar spell list to preservation while I wait

I'd not played terribly much 2014 to begin with tbf; half a campaign and a handfull of oneshots

I prefer multiclassing and 2024 smooths over a lot of the issues 2014 gave me when doing so

also eliminated a lot of the low hanging, easily abusable stuff that MC was associated with

[rugged hawk]

MC?

[blissful ibex]

multiclass/mutliclassing

[rugged hawk]

Just ban multiclassing, e-z

[blissful ibex]

noooo

[rugged hawk]

Then no more druid/monk/pally combos

[blissful ibex]

the regular spellcasters aren't martial enough and the half casters are too martial

[buoyant oar]

I don't ban Multiclassing but my general rule is.

If your Multiclass has a proper noun name on places like r/3d6 its not happening.

Looking at you Sorcadin

[blissful ibex]

I just want to play my dumb druid/warlock MC

it's objectively worse than pure druid but I find it fun so

[serene jolt]

At first, I preferred 2014, but the more I learned about and played 2024, the more entertaining that version became. Now I personally prefer 2024 but I do miss some aspects of 2014.

[lone plaza]

That’s a brilliant idea. Why didn’t I do that?

[timid current]

I love helping my players multiclass, we'll talk about what they want to do and I help enable it

[naive cedar]

what are the most common "problem multiclasses" aside from sorcadin?

[rugged hawk]

Enabling multiclassing is what brought us to this point

[timid current]

There aren't problem metaclasses

Sorcadin isn't actually a problem. Especially with 2024

[serene jolt]

I don't think there's any more of a problem multiclass as a problem full class.

[rugged hawk]

We must revive Dual-Classing. Humans only

[blissful ibex]

Because you're split on wis/cha for spellcasting mods, but a 5 point dip doesn't lose you much and you get lots of fun options off of warlock

[naive cedar]

i just want to know for the future so i dont accidentally make characters that everyone hates lol

im not really into multiclassing though

[lone plaza]

I’m so doing that next time I’m a player

[stoic obsidian]

Multiclasses are actually weak in comparison to full class progression

[timid current]

Worrying about an unrealized future is just borrowing trouble

Just picture the character and use class levels and feats etc to build out the cool stuff you want to do

[serene jolt]

Just go with what you want. If a DM has a problem, they'll bring it up. Otherwise, do whatever build your mind is set on!

[timid current]

It's highly recommended that you talk to your DM. A good DM is going to help you realise the character

A bad one will be like "no you can't make that character"

[blissful ibex]

I go very martial with it, GOOlock with pact of the blade stuff; was very conflicted between GOOlock and Archfey but like'd the naritive options GOOlock provides.
But you could easily go more caster with it as well

[naive cedar]

alright

[fiery nimbus]

I just imagine how cool my character will look like using given ability before choosing it

Yes it was my main reason for picking Control Weather

[timid current]

Sometimes the answer may not be multiclassing at all! Sometimes what you're looking for can be done single classed easy enough

[lone plaza]

Makes sense to me.

[blissful ibex]

have to do a lot of homework to keep up with single class cahracters in the near, mid , and long term

[rugged hawk]

You say that, but wait until you encounter a....I wanna say Monk/Sorc?/Palemaster, I think it was? Bloody thing could reach an AC of 95 at level 40.

[timid current]

And a good DM is going to help you because a good DM is a fan of your character

[buoyant oar]

• Player: "I would like to multiclass!"
• DM: "Okay what would you like?"
• Player: "I want to multiclass into Warlock."
• DM: "But you are a Paladin why wo-"
• Player: "And it will be a Hexblade!"
• DM: "Oh..."

[blissful ibex]

Lots of subclasses, specific items, spell choices, or plain just reflavoring things

[stoic obsidian]

That, and if you try to go beyound 2level of another class it gonna be rough

[serene jolt]

You say that like people don't build up feats and such to abuse mechanics with full classes too. XD

[timid current]

So help them build a sorcadin hexblade that they and the table can have fun with

[rugged hawk]

Blackguard of Asmodeus

[fiery nimbus]

Lies, no DM will get fooled by that, they would figure this shit out the moment paladin said they want to pick warlock

[buoyant oar]

Insert Squidward meme.jpg

[serene jolt]

No matter whether you ban multiclasses or not, you will always get min maxers or meta builders. And in some tables, who cares?

[timid current]

Oh the worst crime, a player wanting to do something cool lol

[blissful ibex]

yeah :x
easier with martials, or delaying the later parts of the minor class until after you've got several in the major one, but then most games don't go long enough to realize the full split

[rugged hawk]

Doing cool things is cool, as long as it's not breaking the campaign to do it

[timid current]

No idea how a hexblade is going to break a campaign. I don't even like hexblade as a concept but it's nothing extraordinary

[rugged hawk]

And if it is, there's always Tarrasques and Mimic Towns.

[timid current]

Even at the height of smiting multiple times a turn in '14 it wasn't a big deal

[fiery nimbus]

Yes but you will prevent some players kneecapping themselves by accident

[stoic obsidian]

It harder to break a campaign than you think

[fiery nimbus]

It is also easier than you think

[rugged hawk]

Counterpoint, https://www.youtube.com/shorts/AcQ8OBq-oXE

[buoyant oar]

I have no issues with players wanting to try something outside of the bounds of the system and work with that. About half of the multiclassers I run into are trying to spell snipe eldritch blast from 500 feet away so no one attacks them ever.

One of my rules is I want to balance encounters around the party not around one player who went hog wild.

Could be my experiences with West Marches.

[fiery nimbus]

Oh no Eldrich sniper, whatever will I do... Oh hey look a wall

[timid current]

Which is why it's great to talk to your dm about realizing the cool character

[blissful ibex]

like, once Preservation druid releases; My progression with her is probably
Druid, 2 in warlock, 6~8 in druid, 3 in warlock, then the remainder druid

even if I really want to go druid, 2 warlock, druid, 3 warlock, remainder druid to fronload the naritively interesting abilites

[keen kestrel]

Is sorcadin… that bad

[buoyant oar]

The look of defeat when the Tiefling with wings eldritch sniper has to go into a dungeon is a dopamine rush /s

[blissful ibex]

like, if I could gestalt level my first 5 level that'd be great XD

[keen kestrel]

(I know it’s quite the experience, but I loved it so much)

[fiery nimbus]

The look of dismay on warlock snipers face when their target pulls a curtain over the window and they have to spend multiple shots breaking through

[rugged hawk]

warlock
takes Eldritch Spear
never finds a spot in the campaign they can actually see an enemy from 240 feet to shoot with it

[blissful ibex]

me with longbow and sharpshooter

[fiery nimbus]

No, all the campaigns I played had no characters what so ever

[blissful ibex]

but just having the option feels nice so