dnd-discussion

[tidal bloom]

Isn't that hard?

[delicate locust]

i would just be careful if its something you use often, i often run into the problem of coming up with elaborate names then not being able to remember it later, i guess my advice would be keep it to like 3 syllables if its your own thing but if you use part of real words or names then you can go crazy

[tidal bloom]

I'm a big tech idiot

[viscid chasm]

Why through your mic? There are music bots

[glass granite]

Hi a big tech idiot, I’m Nugget

[hushed mason]

Faxemenostrex'kathein

[delicate locust]

is that your real name

placidusax

[viscid chasm]

I love it. I will call him Faxe as short.

[hushed mason]

The "e" is a shwa.

[glass granite]

If it was I couldn’t tell you

[glass granite]

That’s a dragon name, not a dragon tamers name, surely

[hushed mason]

That's a dragon name.

Can't you tell?

[glass granite]

You’d be surprised how bizarre some people name their characters

[hushed mason]

Pfeffertoffer is my favourite gnomish surname.

[viscid chasm]

I didn't ask for a dragontamer's name, the dragontamer is named Durotan and he is a half-orc. Faxemenostrex'kathein is the dragon.

[glass granite]

Ah I misread

[viscid chasm]

No problem!

[delicate locust]

i have a problem with memorising names already, and when i need to know someones name and their character name its super tricky and thats without getting into surnames

more of my group knows my characters surname that my own

[tidal bloom]

I don't know how to use music bots

[delicate locust]

i also didnt know my own real surname at some point so i dont blame them

[knotty pasture]

I mean its just a surname

[delicate locust]

if you want to play music from your mic then you just need to kind of learn, it isnt very complicated so a youtube video or 2 should teach you

[knotty pasture]

Hardly anyone is gonna use full names when dnding

[viscid chasm]

It'd not be hard. All you'd have to do is use a command like /playmusic and then a link from YouTube, for example.

[snow zephyr]

This is my aasaimar scourge paladin of the vengeance oath, he's called Frank

It's a mononym, like Cher

[serene jolt]

So I'm confused. I was told that a hand or light crossbow for an Artificer with one attack is better than the fire bolt cantrip. Why?

Fire bolt by level 1 is a 1d10 (which average would be 5 damage). And level 5, is 2d10 (which is 10 damage average).

A hand crossbow is 1d8+5 (being super nice and giving them max dex). Which is 6 average damage. And if you use true strike, at level 5, it'll be 1d8+5 and 1d6 radiant. Which is now 9 average damage.

Assuming you have Elemental Adept (Fire), and you switch up tactics if you fight something with full on immunity, how is a hand or light crossbow and a shield better than a fire bolt and a shield?

[delicate locust]

what is the deal with aasimar and warforged? they feel so out of place in like every table i just dont get why they are so common to see especially in new players

[hushed mason]

I played a pre-made paladin. His name was Gerber. Guess what my roll20 avatar was for that game?

[snow zephyr]

And a shield

[snow zephyr]

It's a power fantasy thing

[hushed mason]

I kept trying to get the party to pronounce it as if it were French, but it didn't work.

[serene jolt]

Yes. I wanted a shield and I was told to do a hand crossbow. Sorry, change that to a 1d6 instead of a 1d8. Still a worse average.

[knotty pasture]

Aasimar are basically the celestial counterparts to Tieflings

[delicate locust]

its actually 11 average for 2d10

[serene jolt]

Rounding up, yeah

[snow zephyr]

It's the +2 AC that's the difference

[knotty pasture]

Warforged is I guess the idea of being a robot

[snow zephyr]

You get more rounds of combat with higher AC

[serene jolt]

So why have I been told a hand crossbow is better than fire bolt?

[delicate locust]

no it just is since the average on a dice is a decimal higher so for 1d10 its 5.5 so x2 is 11

[serene jolt]

Ill be using a shield either way

[snow zephyr]

Magic is for nerds

[serene jolt]

Noted

I'd understand the logic if I had two attacks but with one, isn't fire bolt just ... Better? Like just pure damage wise, not considering resistances and immunities to a common element.

[snow zephyr]

The power fantasy back in the day was being a buff guy, picking up a sword and smiting the forces of evil so you can get the girl. That's the 80's for little boys in a nutshell

[hot marlin]

The eighties were also a time where Elric stories were popular

[delicate locust]

idk who said that but i get what you mean, it just seems like firebolt is better, maybe to keep cantrips for something else but yeah i think that might just be wrong

[knotty pasture]

Aasimars are cool

[serene jolt]

That's what I'm thinking. I was just trying to see if there was any other thing I wasn't considering.

[snow zephyr]

Now the power fantasy is being a decision maker on the terms of good and evil and arbiter of such themes or being outside traditional power structures with the ability to alter them

[serene jolt]

Of why true strike is considered better than just using fire bolt (other than resistances and immunities).

As an Artillarist, I have no second attacks nor weapon masteries.

[snow zephyr]

Just use a pistol

[delicate locust]

if you can use guns and it makes sense thematically, i say use a gun

[serene jolt]

Can't. Guns are banned in my setting.

I wanted to... But sadly it was a no. I tried really hard arguing for it.

But at least my Battlesmith is allowed to have a gun in her campaign. My Artillarist is just out of luck lol

[snow zephyr]

Wait, isn't a whole bunch of artillerist stuff just making cannons and the like?

[serene jolt]

Yup. One of the arguments I had was why ban guns and not artificers?

[delicate locust]

maybe playing artificer isnt the best choice for the setting, its an eberron thing and i think that relates to the stuyff with aasimar and warforged being taken out of the original setting and its strange

[delicate locust]

what is your setting? also yeah i get where you are coming from that is strange

[atomic kayak]

For one thing, artillerists are about wands and other magic items, not guns

[snow zephyr]

Artificers might have a place, but not the gun incarnations

[serene jolt]

Just a homebrew Westmarch.

But I can still work it in because he'll just use a bunch of wands that he can make.

[snow zephyr]

Martin fans

[delicate locust]

is it like generic fantasy land?

[umbral girder]

My players are level 13, half the party nearly died by getting maul by a bear.

[serene jolt]

And I'll reflavor the wands to look like mini canons in spite. 🤣 /joking

[tame forge]

Can def flavor something similar out of spells... eldritch blast burst firing out of a hand held contraption. ETC.

[ornate chasm]

i think i just found the best tech to get experience as a dm

im playing a game with my 2 7 year old nephews

[serene jolt]

It's a long story but short story, it's in a desert setting with dark elements.

[tame forge]

I mean there is literally 0 reason not to do this tbh.

[serene jolt]

I'm still flavoring my spells for sure. They cannot take the tech out of the Artificer.

[delicate locust]

cannons arent really out of place i would say

[serene jolt]

That's my favorite part about Artificer is flavoring spells.

[snow zephyr]

A staff of fireball could 100% look like a hand cannon

[delicate locust]

what technology level is there? is it medieval or something? guns arent THAT old

[tame forge]

Any class and character can flavor spells to great effect. It is surprising how often this is overlooked.

[snow zephyr]

I'm a transport guy, we survive off spite

[humble cairn]

Is this westmarch using 2014 or 2024?

[serene jolt]

It's kinda medieval fantasy styled. Like standard dnd. No crazy tech. Steampunky stuff for artificers I assume.

[tame forge]

The amount of non necromancy spells I can turn dark and horrific with flavor is insane.

[snow zephyr]

Necromancy is just steam and levers

[serene jolt]

2014 based rules, 2024 characters allowed as well. I'm a 2024 Artillarist.

[knotty pasture]

Speaking of steampunk, is dnd suitable to have a steampunk campaign

[snow zephyr]

Yes

[delicate locust]

lowkey just ask, i dont see why they would let you be artificer but not do that, just ask if you can and that you can use the guns but just flavour it into something steampunky

[snow zephyr]

Literally nothing in D&D is sacred

[serene jolt]

My character is a flamethrower guy with some extra techy bits. Like using Jump for a 'jump pack'. And all that.

[delicate locust]

im just saying, there is a rick and morty supplement

[red steppe]

Try Prestidigitation

[humble cairn]

Ok so use a martial ranged weapon like a heavy crossbow, add scaling True Strike damage on top and base accuracy from making it Repeating. The accuracy buff, plus scaling damage makes it better than fire bolt.

[serene jolt]

I gave them that option. I really tried. I asked about reflavoring guns, banning all guns but the basic pistol and musket. Making them super expensive and hard to get. Allowing only artificers with proficiency to have guns (which is just Artillarist and Battle Smith).

[snow zephyr]

Vacuum, lighter, flash paper, a bucket of mud, and a mysterious box tm

[serene jolt]

I want a shield though. So fire bolt is my favorite option. Also works for his flavor

[delicate locust]

if you want a shield, just use firebolt

[serene jolt]

But I can reflavor his wand to look like a mini canon.

[humble cairn]

Can use a Hand Crossbow with a shield. Then you can also make your weapon your arcane firearm.

[serene jolt]

Hand Crossbow is less damage overall. I mentioned this earlier.

[delicate locust]

thats unfortunate, it is what it is, i dont understand that situation

[humble cairn]

But sure if you like fire bolt better go for it.

[serene jolt]

Especially considering my feat is Elemental Adept (fire) for my other fun firey spells from Artillarist.

[delicate locust]

maybe the source was talking about heavy crossbows, for you it seems like you are better off with firebolt

[serene jolt]

My only weakness will be fire immune monsters. Where I'll just switch things up and use different tactics. I do have a fun little bonus action canon that does force damage.

[humble cairn]

Yeah but you can scale it in a few different ways, but the difference is marginal I suppose.

[serene jolt]

Not like the DM is super mean and will throw fire immune monsters at me 24-7 so 🤷

That'd be toxic levels of dm for my measley 11 average damage at level 5. 🤣

[red steppe]

Can I reflavor a Wizard into a martial?

[serene jolt]

If you're creative enough

[red steppe]

Steel Wind Strike is just me slashing Space itself

[serene jolt]

Also check out Bladesinger wizard. Might be your style

[lyric idol]

I suck at singing though

[snow zephyr]

Go full Mongolian throat singing

Become the throat goat

[lyric idol]

Best I can do is Mongolian geese dying.

[knotty pasture]

Delicious

[lyric idol]

Truly

[burnt valley]

If you were isekai'd to Faerun, what would you guys do?

[lyric idol]

Fireball any fae I see.

[burnt valley]

I would go and try free Cyric then come up with a plan to supplant Mystra with a new Goddess of Magic (literally anyone else is a better candidate)

Maybe i'd let Karsus do it this time

[lyric idol]

Idk I'd probably screw up the goddess of winter in Icewind Dale only because I hate the cold.

[umbral girder]

Die most likely

[burnt valley]

Oh why

[umbral girder]

Because we would be a Cr0, 4hp commoner

[burnt valley]

After dealing with Mystra, all that's left is replacing Gond

[umbral girder]

We aren’t getting class levels, we just die.

[burnt valley]

Maybe we can earn it

[umbral girder]

Nah, even then you’d just die anyway

[minor cargo]

Faerun is a BIG place. I think it’d depend a lot on where you were.

[burnt valley]

Would Baldur's Gate be a good place to start?

[umbral girder]

Oh god that’s even worse

One turn in an ally way and your soul is Bhaal food or devil money

[minor cargo]

Sure! It’s a dangerous place (we can talk more about it in #dnd-lore ) but at least in a big city, there’s a lot of opportunities.

Even adventurers start off “clearing cellars” - so maybe if you run into the right person, you can get started on some “wet work”.

[burnt valley]

I wonder if there's like a Wizard school or something to start

[umbral girder]

Nope!

Closest you got is Candlekeep outside the city. But they have a requirement to enter

“Bring a book they don’t already have”

[burnt valley]

Darn

[umbral girder]

Tbh if you wanted a good city to get Isekai’d into that be Silverymoon

Everything is so chill there and it’s a magic city

[burnt valley]

Ah sweet, learning Magic first in a magic dominant setting is always nice

I wonder if meta knowledge of what the effects of spells are would consider you a prodigy or something in-universe

[light quail]

0_0 uhmmm

[onyx kelp]

Has everyone noticed that cloud of daggers does more damage than most damaging spells now? Doing approximately 10 damage no save per spell level? Sure it's slashing but... 50 damage no save 5th level spell? One spell slot to do that every turn?

[crimson gulch]

You can move it around too

[onyx kelp]

To summarise the math. 4d4 2nd level spell. 1d4=2.5 average. Average 10 when you place it. Another 10 as soon as their turn starts. Most enemies won't be able to move out of it before their turn starts. 20 average damage for second level spell. Increases by 2d4 on both ends each spell slot. So an average 10 damage per spell slot.

You just turn a 5foot cube into a moving damage blender that can shoot out 20+ damage every single round.

Like it scales really well. Fireball doesn't even come close. I know the aoes are vastly different, but if you only need to hit 1 or 2 enemies for as much damage as you can... It's 1 spell slot. No save. Just eat slashing damage.

[burnt valley]

What if you grapple someone and make them enter the spell multiple times

[onyx kelp]

Once per turn stipulation I believe

[lyric idol]

Per TURN not per ROUND

[burnt valley]

I meant like in someone else's turn

[onyx kelp]

Yeah. So if someone else is able to move them, or you do as a reaction, you can totally make them take more.

[lyric idol]

Yes you can technically do it.

Cloud of Daggers + Thunderwave with safe spell and quicken spell

Oh and Wild Magic Sorceree so you can do even more during your turn.

[onyx kelp]

Don't sleep on cloud of daggers. If they don't resist slashing and you're fine to single target or get lucky and grab 2 people with it,, it might be the best most consistent damaging spell out there.

[knotty pasture]

What are spells that kind of serve as a hazard which deals damage when people walk through it for the Cleric

Only ones I can think of are Moonbeam and Spirit Guardians

[lyric idol]

Thats all I can think of too.

[onyx kelp]

Dirge

[lyric idol]

Oh some of them can cast Glyph of Warding.

[onyx kelp]

Doomtide

[knotty pasture]

Noted, ty ty

[onyx kelp]

Insect plague^

And yeah some subclasses give a few others.

[rose wedge]

I got a backup character concept that's a plague doctor and I wanna use insect plague >:)

Like she'll be a doctor but also the kind that just straight up kills people, too

A wandering harmacy

[red steppe]

Alchemist Artificer type stuff

[rose wedge]

I was thinking death domain cleric but I'm still open minded which route to take.

And I won't have to decide for a long time, or unless I find a second table. The DM of this table has told us not to dwell on backup characters too much or we might lose the "mood" to keep playing our current.

I get the logic but I love making characters T_T

[spring glen]

Death clarics are fun

[rose wedge]

Good to hear.

[heavy oxide]

me personally i can still stay invested in the character im playing while still having backup characters but i get that some people end up liking their backup character more and wanting to switch

[rose wedge]

I think this is the phenomena our DM wants to avoid.

[spring glen]

My necromancer subclassed into them for 1 level

[heavy oxide]

i know it is

[rose wedge]

Cos some of us have plots baked into what he's got going so us switching kinda negates an arc so I totally get his perspective.

[heavy oxide]

also if your character does die you have like a week to come up with one which should be more than enough time

[rose wedge]

I mean yeah

That was my original point, I have plenty of time to decide. I'm like completely between death cleric, spores druid, and alchemist artificier.

But this problem could be months or even years away. Or. Again. If I just find a second table to play at.

[spring glen]

Player death happens unfortunately but it's also good storytelling

[heavy oxide]

oh my bad i thought this was a opinion kinda convo not like theres a problem that needs to fixed im sorry

[rose wedge]

Well I'm playing a descended devil right now so her dying is just being sent back 'home', though she's not quite strong enough to handle her revenge arc if she dies too soon.

[slender gyro]

Is this a good character sheet? : https://media.wizards.com/2016/dnd/downloads/5E_CharacterSheet_Fillable.pdf

Or should i find another one ?

[red steppe]

Yes

[red steppe]

That one should be enough

[spring glen]

Are you playing a wizard that not enough lines for spells :p

I have like 15 level 1 spells on my guy rn

[red steppe]

Spell scrolls?

[spring glen]

My wizard book

[red steppe]

Damn

[slender gyro]

I wanna create something different. kinda #homebrew

Let's just say a lot of traits

[oak grotto]

If you are indeed new to DnD, I don't recommend going for homebrew.

[rose wedge]

I mean depends on the DM that can help you make calls

[red steppe]

High chance its not gonna get accepted

[oak grotto]

All I'm saying is that newbies resorting to homebrew can end chaotically.

[slender gyro]

Either way is there a character sheet that has space for a lot of traits ?

[heavy oxide]

wouldnt an extra blank sheet of paper work

[red steppe]

How to tell if a DM is fudging a roll

[heavy oxide]

17 nat 20s in a row would do it

[fiery nimbus]

why would you need to tell?

[tidal bough]

You dont 🤷‍♂️

[drifting bolt]

anyone else who's watched vox machina (the show, not the table) find it weird that percy builds bad news, shoots it ONCE, then doesnt touch it for like 8 episodes?
im on s2e6, surely he uses it more right?

[loud tendon]

might be better to ask in #critical-role-spoilers 🙂

[drifting bolt]

yeh just saw that thats a thing, cya

[tidal bough]

Its definitely a literal chekhovs gun

[azure jasper]

So basically
I'm writing my D&D characters backstory
and they have a training arc right now
do I have his sensei die during the training arc
or have my character leave feeling accomplished and then the sensei die like off screen and him hear about it
or die in a big battle of some kind

[fiery nimbus]

ah Mentor dying, classic

[tidal bough]

What will the consequences be of them dying at different times

[vast pelican]

If the mentor is dying no matter what, it's probably best to squeeze that for character work.

[fiery nimbus]

make him die in front of your eyes while you are to weak to save him, usually works

[vast pelican]

Diabolical

[covert echo]

question: what are the rules of starting a campaign as a character. do we have to start at level 1 or can we be like a "figure" that like already has abilities and stuff

[azure jasper]

The sensei always dies

[fiery nimbus]

you start whenever you want on whatever level you want

[azure jasper]

I already did that with his parents tho

[drifting bolt]

funny part is, i learnt what that is TODAY
but yeah likw come on, ive seen the first 6 (i think), the gun he uses at that point is bad news, right? he uses it constantly back then???

[fiery nimbus]

what killed his parents?

[tidal bough]

Its an objectively cooler item, I believe in the show it misfires and needs to be repaired

[azure jasper]

they got caught up in the middle of a riot and got killed by kingdom gaurds

[covert echo]

I have an idea for a character who's like a rogue that steals legendary/magical artifacts and stores them in a dimensional pouch

so every time there's a challenge they seem to have just about anything for it

[vast pelican]

I reckon you don't get to just give yourself OP magic items.

[fiery nimbus]

make the same guy that caused a riot kill his mentor
You think it was a series of unrelated incidents? no IT WAS ME BARRY

[tidal bough]

Its more fun to play out the stealing magic items than it is to just have them at base level

[vast pelican]

The DM awards things like that. A level 1 character starts with the starting equipment.

[covert echo]

okay maybe like only the magic pouch and like 3 weak "magic" items

could be like a family heirloom

[knotty pasture]

Not a big fan but go for it I guess

You aren't the only PC in your campaign so that's a lot of magical items per person at start

[vast pelican]

Anything that gives you any sort of mechanical advantage needs to be run by your DM.

[drifting bolt]

ok great

[drifting bolt]

yo teto move to crit role channel

[covert echo]

so it balances it out if everyone gets one "OP item" per person sorta?

[fiery nimbus]

no, in fact its even further from balanced

[covert echo]

like maybe not entirely OP but it's unique to them and needs to be mastered

[knotty pasture]

Yes and no, sure if everyone is op no one is, but this is also just power creep

For most official campaigns you aren't meant to start out this strong

[covert echo]

sorry, should've worded it differently

not op but potential
like a sword that gets stronger from each kill

[knotty pasture]

Its like if you start at level 3 in a campaign that's for level 1-5s

[covert echo]

not exactly op but sorta legendary in the sense you can't get it anywhere else

[vast pelican]

Again, this is the sort of thing the DM might award, but players don't get to just insist that they start out with a bunch of magic items at level 1.

[azure jasper]

rn Im thinking either an enemy of the mentor assassinates them
or the mentor dies fighting something and my character hears about it
1st option he'll probably witness the assassination but be too late to save her
2nd would have him wishing he stayed with her to help
and then either way she'll turn into the moon or somethin'

[tame forge]

Progressive weapons and items can be very strong or mediocre depending on a lot of factors.

I think it should be a rare and earned gift from the DM after a hardfought battle and not just given out level 1 tbh.

[humble cairn]

Sounds like a Vestige of Divergence or a Dragon Hoard Item that powers up with events or something.

[vast pelican]

My first mentor turned into the moon.
That's rough, buddy.

[fiery nimbus]

don't make him too late
let your character fight it out with the guy, and just as he is about to deal a killing blow, your mentor jumps in to defend you

[covert echo]

maybe what if it's like "destined to be yours but has to fight for it" thing

[knotty pasture]

I would at most allow a greater pool of magical items within the campaign rather than fixing it to whatever the campaign originally offers

[humble cairn]

Definitely something you need to work with your DM for.

[knotty pasture]

But no one's starting off with a +1 dagger or +1 greatsword

[humble cairn]

Personally this sounds like something you want customized for your character and backstory, which would be homebrew. I would probably make a homebrew Vestige type item that starts like a Common level item and levels up in rarity with you.

[tame forge]

Or like you start with it but its in a dormant state and you need to discover how to unlock its powers

[fiery nimbus]

well, some are... again it depends on the DM

[covert echo]

yes that's what I said

[knotty pasture]

Oh yeah its the DM's game go for it, just that it shouldn't be assumed as the norm

[vast pelican]

What I could see working as balanced is, for instance, a longsword that is just a regular old longsword at level 1, but as you progress it becomes a magical sword and slowly increases in the strength of its features. Even that should be discussed with the DM. Progressive weapons aren't really a thing in the ruleset, even though they sort of feel like an obvious thematic approach.

[humble cairn]

There are official progressive items, both the Vestiges of Divergence and Dragon's Hoard Items.

[vast pelican]

The Critical Role sourcebooks have a couple things that go in stages, but those are still magic items with significant bonuses right off the bat.

[humble cairn]

So the precedent is set.

[fiery nimbus]

Im more partial to cused items instead
Wow this super sharp sword is great... it dulls in the presence of Fiends

[knotty pasture]

Goodness there's this rare homebrew longbow that I want to see how it'd play out in an actual campaign

[vast pelican]

I don't think there's any precedent for "this magical item has no features when you get it".

[humble cairn]

Not that specific one, no.

[fiery nimbus]

there is

[humble cairn]

Do tell

[fiery nimbus]

well, somewhat. Pretty sure items from Acquisitions Incorporated do tend to level up as you go

[covert echo]

I see, thanks!

[humble cairn]

Do you have a specific character in mind already?

[covert echo]

well the one i said

rogue/thief who's interested in magical artifacts to use for themself (not out of greed/craze for power, out of curiosity)

[humble cairn]

Specifically Thief subclass or were you thinking Arcane Trickster?

[covert echo]

didn't think that far yet ngl

never actually got deep into d&d, I'm just for the vibes

[night basin]

Using wish to wish for an apple.

[novel remnant]

Did you specify how big tho

[humble cairn]

How would you feel about a key that works as Thieves Tools but slowly improves (+1 - +3) and then gains things like Passwall (open a passageway through a wall) and eventually a Magnificent Mansion effect where you can store your ill gotten goods?

[night basin]

I did not.

[covert echo]

that'd be cool

[night basin]

Meteor sized apple incoming.

[novel remnant]

Yes

[humble cairn]

Ok so talk to your DM about homebrewing something like that.

[night basin]

Okay.

[covert echo]

that's the problem

I don't know a dm

[humble cairn]

Oh you don't even have a DM yet. Ok well then start #looking-for-dm

[bronze wave]

Tbh I always make the char idea after I join or find a campaign

[lyric idol]

Sometimes I have an idea sometimes I go with the flow of the group. Though I tend to go with the flow more to have fun as a party.

[stark tundra]

Honestly best way to play unless your the dm which then uh

Plan stuff out pls dms I love ya when you go off the top of your head but please no

[bronze wave]

Agree your char fits way more if you learn about the plot and other players more imo

[stark tundra]

Only time your character shouldn't fit into the plot is if you have to make a back up and that's just for the lols

[slender gyro]

Me to my brother who DM's games: "I wanna play as a vampire"
My middle brother: "I wanna play as a paladin"

😂

[delicate path]

good morning

[stark tundra]

Do it I played as a paladin warforged once

He ran off of holy water

[slender gyro]

No i mean a vamp and a bahamut paladin dragonborn in the same party

[stark tundra]

Ah yeah that can be fun as well I didn't finish my story the warforgeds creator was strahd

Not directly but was made to be one of strahds defences

[molten crater]

A quick question if you will; say you're an adventurer who wanted to get their sword enchanted. You know of a few Wizards in town who you believe could help you with applying your wanted enchantments. What school of magic would be the best choice for a Wizard to help apply enchantments onto weapons and armor?

[stark tundra]

School of enchantment is what your gonna wanna look for

[tidal bough]

What specific enchantments, theres no RaW for this but if youre wanting thematically itd prolly be better to go based off of what the enchantment is

[stark tundra]

That's true I didn't think to ask that before answering

[molten crater]

Isn't the School of Enchantment affiliated with manipulating the minds? Because at first thinking of this I'd though "Oh maybe a Transmutation Wizard since they got spells like Elemental Weapon and Magic Weapon" but then looking at the class itself it seems to be primarily more alchemy focused per say. Then I thought maybe an Evocation Wizard but how would an Evocation Wizard make a sword fly or cause armor to transform into simple clothing? An Evocation Wizard might be able to help with applying an enchantment where they can cloak themselves with ice but what about the Abjuration Wizard since wards and protection spells are their thing?

I do like the idea of having to go to a specific Wizard for a given enchantment though, though something like the aforementioned ice cloak enchantment might be a bit tricky. Maybe given the enchantment it doesn't matter which of the two you go to, it's just based on preference or availability? Like the Abjuration Wizard is your friend but their enchantments are expensive, where as the Evocation Wizard is rude but is cheaper or something like that.

[slender gyro]

Can't a PC wizard enchant weapons?

[stark tundra]

Right so what it sounds like your wanting is less a wizards job and more an artificers

[hot gate]

That's more of a transmutation thing, such as with Magic Weapon spell.

If it's supposed to be permanent, then you don't need any school at all, because it's going to need to be a crafted magic item. Magic items outside of scrolls and healing potions can typically only be crafted if the DM allows it.

[stark tundra]

Yeah

Or if your an artificer and well that's kinda your whole thing

[hot gate]

Then it's also only semi-permanent.

[stark tundra]

True

[slender gyro]

Guys

Does purify food and drink remove spoilage?

Like restoring a rotten meat to non rotten version

[sharp tendon]

any character designs or overall Tips & Tricks to Survive "Out of the Abyss" ?! 🥶 😂

[hot gate]

Depends a bit on which version (2014 or 2024) you refer to. The latter specifically removes rot.

[marble lion]

I dont think its part of the spell

It would be edible but not necessarily nice

Imagine if all the actual mold and toxin was cleaned off but the food is still mushy etc now

If i was dm id rule it to restore the food completely though

[slender gyro]

So it's up to the version

[hot gate]

Yeah
2014: "purified and rendered free of poison and disease"
2024: "remove poison and rot"

so in 2014 it also depends on what you mean by "purified", because the rules don't specify

[harsh comet]

I swear to God I can’t find a campaign

[hot gate]

It can take a while, especially for something so time-consuming as a campaign. You might have better luck looking for one shots-.

[woven flint]

Don't die!
That's my tip lol

[sharp tendon]

well i did figure that out. we all died 15 min into the session. 🫡

[glass granite]

Remember folks, dying is suboptimal 99% of the time

[woven flint]

Honestly, if you're gonna be fighting a lot of demons, your best bet is to play a Martial (or maybe a Paladin) since they typically have advantage on spell saves

Fighting fiends as a caster, frankly, SUCKS.

[slender gyro]

Thanks. Now i gotta ask my DM if a homebrew vamp PC can drink a flask of blood that have been purified by this spell or if I'll take radiant damage by drinking it because purifying it makes it holy lmao

[burnt valley]

Wtf happened

[hot gate]

That wouldn't even cross my mind, but now that you say it I can totally see some DMs running with that. But wouldn't that then go for anything that was affected by the spell?

[slender gyro]

I have NO IDEA NGL

But a vampire wouldn't eat normal food anyway

[hot gate]

ah right!

[slender gyro]

So basically. Can my flasks be drinkable by me or does purifying them makes them go bad for me? I wonder

I'll have to wait to ask that question

[hot gate]

From a pure rules perspective I'd say no, but its vague enough that I can see DMs ruling in different ways.

[glass granite]

I’d also rule no, but yeah the DM has enough subjectivity for it to go both ways

[slender gyro]

By ruling no you mean "no you can't drink it" or "no it doesn't become harmful to you" ?

[glass granite]

No it doesn’t harm you

Purifying it just means it’ll turn to pure blood.

[slender gyro]

Yeah that solves a lot of blood hunting incontinence.

[tame forge]

Do you guys Rename your spells in D&D beyond?

[glass granite]

Nope

[hot gate]

Typically no, just to not confuse everyone else at the table.

[slender gyro]

Is unknown alignment something valid for an amnesiac? (Alignment that ends up developing depending on the story)

[hot gate]

Alignment is generally up to you and doesn't have a bearing on what you get to do, so you could leave it blank.

There are unaligned creatures, typically animals.

[tame forge]

That's kinda the best part. It's far more entertaining to cast magical mumbo jumbo, or Hide Reaaally Well. Than it is to use magic mouth or invisibility.

[humble cairn]

Ignore Alignment, just write up a good personality.

[hot gate]

You can still describe that during the session without renaming them on the sheet.

[tame forge]

I like my characters sheet to be a fun mess of chaotic nonsense.

It makes complete sense to me but anyone else peeking at it would have a stroke.

[humble cairn]

Alignment isn't an inherent part of your character, it's just a tag describing your decisions and actions. So if you literally don't have any history yuo don't have an Alignment.

[hot gate]

I'm sure you do, but as a DM I'd raise my eyebrow at that.

I need to be able to know what you have on there.

[tame forge]

I'm a long term DM and love when people do this kinda stuff.

[slender gyro]

I'm thinking of my character being an amnesiac who was chaotic evil and has a tiny tendency/pull to become that but only if left abandoned. And if his party sticks with him enough he ends up getting a good alignment foregoing his old ways.

[tame forge]

All ya gotta do is click on the spell to read the description or go into character editor to see the spell list with official names.

[humble cairn]

Amnesiac characters, on the other hand, are a possible red flag for me as a DM.

[hot gate]

Hey whatever works for you. Please don't continue to ping me.

[slender gyro]

Why?

[fiery kayak]

Hello

[tame forge]

How dare I use the "reply" feature as intended. The dastardly villainous scum I am. OFF WITH HIS HEAD!

[cosmic roost]

No pings, please :pray:

If you see someone with “No Pings” in their name, please don’t @ that user. If you Reply to them, please turn the alert @OFF, and if you forget, a simple apology is appreciated. Thank you!

[humble cairn]

Sometimes it means that the player doesn't want to put in an effort to make an actual person and just wants a blank shell to puppet around with no care to make a person. Other times they write a whole lot of actual factual backstory that they want me to somehow incporate, usually involving how powerful and important they were before they lost their memories.

[tame forge]

Seems like thats a setting yall should figure out on your end but w/e lol.

[humble cairn]

If, on the other hand, the player is willing to leave the mystery of it all in my hands, rather than dictating it all, and they're willing to actually tihnk about the psychology of their character and make a believable person who has lost it all, that would be fine. But it is a high difficulty concept.

[slender gyro]

Well my backstory involves me being lvl 20 before taking a heavy beating from a rival. Left me almost dead. Something happened but i survived. And that rival hunts me.. but that's endgame stuff.

No power boosts to my character from remembering stuff btw

[humble cairn]

Ope ... "I used to be more powerful and lost all my powers" is another red flag for me.

[slender gyro]

Yeah bc i assume your PCs want to be like "oh i remembered an ancient legendary skill that i now have"

[hot gate]

I'm simply informing you how to do it when someone asks politely.

[slender gyro]

I don't plan that. The only thing my backstory will bring is a lvl 20 rival to duel at my own lvl 20

[humble cairn]

Even if they don't, someone who used to be so powerful would just know a lot of things and be known by a lot of people, and it's stuff that really pushes a campaign in certain ways.

If I were your DM, which I am not and you should ask your actual DM rather than me, I would ask you if it would be okay if your character might think all that is true, but that some or all of it might be false.

[slender gyro]

What if my appearance changed so much that nobody recognizes me anymore and i don't remember anyone specific until the very end?

[slender gyro]

That would be decided in memory checks no?

Like roll and maybe you roll low enough to get a false memory

[humble cairn]

No, but also a DM gets to decide whether a check is called for, not the player.

[slender gyro]

I see sorry for my lack of knowledge

[humble cairn]

Again, I'm not your DM. If your DM and group are okay with all this, then go ahead. I'm just telling how I feel about it.

[humble cairn]

Yeah, see how this is starting to become a weird negotiation?

[slender gyro]

Listen. I'm a newbie so like. Idk a lot. Every opinion matters. It teaches me how things go

[slender gyro]

I'm just asking. I'm not bartering

[slender gyro]

I can understand your POV

[knotty pasture]

Its been years and discord has never had a proper function to disable receiving replies from pings unless one is to go scorched earth and disable all pings from a server

[rotund shell]

and even that doesn't work. I have all pings disabled and servers muted and I still get some pings

[stark arch]

qeustion paladin got acses to rituel spells. do these spells stil consume a spell slot???

or is the wizard only class that can cast rituel spells with out using spell slots?

[hot gate]

If you cast a ritual spell as a ritual, it does not consume a spell slot period.

It just takes 10 minutes longer to cast.

[stark arch]

ok cool thanks tough the wizard was the only one that can do that

[hot gate]

Wizard can cast a ritual spell in their spell book that they haven't prepared. That's their special thing.

Everyone else can only ritual cast ritual spells they have prepared.

Additionally, some classes in 2014 were not able to ritual cast. Paladin is one of those.

[stark arch]

wat about the rituel casting feat?

also can cast un prepared rituel spells ?

[hot gate]

Assuming 2014, that's what that feat allows, yeah.

[stark arch]

yes ok cool thx

so if i take that feat. and choose the wizards spell list. i get to use all wizards rituel spells. does this limit to my spell slots or my class level ??? of the type of spells i can use??

like paladin gets lvl 3 spell slots at lvl 9 but wizard at 5

[hot gate]

It's not limited by your spell slots, it's limited by your level. If you add a new spell:

the spell’s level can be no higher than half your level (rounded up)

You start with two spells, then if you find any others, you can add them via the method the feat describes.

[lyric peak]

Hey guys so I just joined the server and I want to make sure (I read the rules I'm just not sure) is it okay for me to ask for character creation help?

[stark arch]

so lvl 4 would be lvl 2 spells. lvl 6 would be lvl 3 spells ?

[hot gate]

Sure! If you're completely new, you could use #dnd-newcomers or also #character-discussion

[lyric peak]

Oh thanks dude

[slender gyro]

Can certain classes buff the weapons of their allies? Like paladin blessing weapons to make them deal radiant damage and wizard putting elemental damage ?

[stark arch]

also when using that feat doest give you the ability to cast unprepared rituel spells right?

[raw ocean]

D&D is D&D

[hot gate]

Yeah, some spells allow for that. The most basic would probably be Magic Weapon, and later also Elemental Weapon

[hot gate]

You can only cast those spells as ritual, and you don't have them prepared, so yes, you can cast them unprepared.

That's the only way you can cast them.

[raw ocean]

Is the samurai fighter sub-class decent?

Debating on playing it currently

[knotty pasture]

Middle of the road, not really good but not bad

[glass granite]

I like it

[raw ocean]

Good enough for me, as long as im not weighing down the party

[glass granite]

It’s actually my fav fighter subclass

[tidal bough]

Happy new years from nz

[knotty pasture]

If you aren't Purple Dragon Knight you are probably fine

[tame forge]

Gotcha. I guess I usually mute all for every server I am in with very very few exceptions so I didn't realize that wasn't a feature.

I think of my 70 something servers I have 3 with notifications on.

.

Aside from Holy Water what other things would you get to prepare for a expedition to a necropolis?

I am about to drop cleric for my necro bard who will meet the party at the necropolis but want to help prepare them before they embark without the cleric powers.

.

Finna stock them up hella on holy water. But not really sure if there is anything else I can do for them or things I should prepare.

We have hella money and access to black market magic items and extremely rare magic items as well.

Less worried about vamps tbh. Pretty sure we can talk our way through that one.

Yeah I understand your point.

[knotty pasture]

Spell scrolls of daylight perhaps?

[tame forge]

Wizards got that one covered. Not sure if he has much else radiant tho.

[glass granite]

Tbh, regular adventuring stuff. Ball bearings, rope, rations, spare weapons, climbing equipment, fuel, a ring of wishes, spell scrolls, maybe nets, bags of holding, potions, stuff for flight (don’t think many undead can fly).

That would be quite effective

[tame forge]

Ehhhh yeah I could see if Lovitar or Asmodeus temples would send some peeps.

[glass granite]

Or both

[tame forge]

My char is necromancer. Though I dont have a single damage spell

[glass granite]

More than one couldn’t hurt

[tame forge]

All battlefield control with undead doing damage.

[tame forge]

Yeah makes sense.

I have mirraj arcane and hallucinatory terrain which are also extremely strong vs undead..

Illusion are OP vs low intelligence creatures. ^.^

[raw ocean]

I wonder how much work goes into balancing new classes and items in D&D, I know they have play tests but it feels like some things can always have loopholes

[idle oar]

Welcome to game design

everything can have unexpected consequences

[raw ocean]

Must be extra hard for D&D game designers because one wrong word can lead to unstoppable weapons

[humble cairn]

Do some research on the origins of the necropolis, the funeral rites of the culture that built it, the history of how it got to the current state maybe even maps or schematics if you can find them. Use those Intelligence skills.

[glass granite]

When everything works until it doesn’t, then nothing works anymore.
Game design indeed

[idle oar]

The game designers also created an escape hatch for any unintended consequences in that the DM can simply not allow it or can interpret the rules in a way that best suits the D&D game they are running.

But most TTRPG games have such a feature - a game master who interprets the rules and makes rulings based on the needs of their game.

[stark arch]

so Compelled Duel or command as prepared spells? i could use command to drop wat ever its holding like telling a wizard to drop his spell book or arcane focus . or telling a warrior to take of his armor ???

[glass granite]

I really like Command

[raw ocean]

I wonder if I can convince a DM to let me collect homebrew magical swords as a hobby for my character

[glass granite]

But telling them to take off their armour is too long, it won’t work unfortunately

[raw ocean]

[I just secretly wish there was more magical weapons in D&D] :(

[knotty pasture]

Same tbh, there's always official homebrew stuff that doesn't completely break balance ig

[raw ocean]

It feels like there's only like 40-60 magical weapons in official 5E across the books?

[knotty pasture]

Probably yes, I know for a fact that there's only like 3 unique magical longbows

[raw ocean]

Sounds like alot but eventually you kind of run out when you are in a campaign for long enough

[stark arch]

to me feels like 5

[knotty pasture]

Always port stuff over to at least diversify the loot pool

[raw ocean]

There is like hundreds if you count generic ones though

Still don't understand why adamantine is considered magical

[knotty pasture]

Grants crit immunity or something ig

[severe rampart]

I now understand how scheduling is DnD's biggest enemy 💔

[raw ocean]

When you post an EST campaign at specific times and some german dude with the weirdest schedule possible joins [nothing against germans in specific, just an example of distant timezones]

[severe rampart]

I am 13 hours ahead of my group so I don't have any problems, late nights for them is early mornings for me and late nights for me is early morning for them

[hot gate]

It's not the endboss, but it's certainly the first one.

[raw ocean]

Hardest boss is not taking the sus NPC offers that are really good

"You can have a second 9th level spell slot!", genuinly had to lock in to not take it

[tame forge]

I am a ghoul and already am recognized as an undead by undead of an intelligence of 3 or below.

So the rabble isnt really an issue for me either.

I also get adv on charisma checks to influence undead creatures.

[hot gate]

That's certainly a offer

[raw ocean]

"grah" "groh" "brainz"

[tame forge]

Fair already doing a lot of this VIA divination daily span.

[raw ocean]

10 years of my lifespan

[viscid chasm]

I like the 3 stars on your name

[raw ocean]

lowkey, pretty good deal

[tame forge]

Thats negligible as there are trillions of ways to extend lifespan in 5e

[raw ocean]

DM said no extending lifespan in D&D if I take the deal

[tame forge]

Ok extend deathspan. Lich and a dream bby.

[raw ocean]

That's what im saying, but then the entire party was like "don't do it bro" so I just passed it up

[tame forge]

Undeath has never looked so appalling....i mean appealing.

[hot gate]

Probably fair. Especially if you're playing a species with a decade lifespan.

Though "second level 9 spell slot" suggests you're already in those levels were the rules just become loose suggestions and you're close to demigods anyway.

[viscid chasm]

Ya'll are very bad at keeping your souls.

[raw ocean]

None of my characters ever sell their soul or follow a god, you would have to catch them dead or as an NPC if they are being told what to do

[raw ocean]

We can negotiate if they get a cool uniform and get to be in a cool squad

[burnt valley]

Just shrimply reincarnate til you are born as an Elf

[raw ocean]

I have been searching for the acclaimed evil campaign that isn't just straight edginess, one day I will find you my beloved...

[hot gate]

Those are "your pc becomes an npc" words

[eager marsh]

Thats just called being a Fiend Warlock

[viscid chasm]

See, none of my characters would trade their souls away

[raw ocean]

You telling me it wouldn't be tough to pull up as a death watch and take out an enemy base?

[viscid chasm]

Yeah I am

[raw ocean]

Cooking pasta on it

[hot gate]

Your soul is like your entire being.

[viscid chasm]

Living?

[hot gate]

Minus corporeal form

[viscid chasm]

In DnD, your soul's your entire being, minus physical form.

[eager marsh]

Not true. Your body can live and function without a soul inside of it at all. Liches do it all the time

[hot gate]

Oh, selling your soul in the future is something else.

[viscid chasm]

Liches are infact not your average, standard individual.

[raw ocean]

Everybody want's the assassin or inquisitor background, but nobody wants to stick to it

[eager marsh]

selling your soul is never present tense since your soul gets claimed after death.

[raw ocean]

If it's like serving muzan but without the constant worry of being slimed out, I would totally be down

[eager marsh]

idk man sounds like a skill issue to me

[hot gate]

They still have souls, they're just no in their bodies.

[hot gate]

In most cases sure

[eager marsh]

Yes. That was my point. their body works without it so its not necessarily their 'entire being'

[hot gate]

Hence I qualified minus corporeal form

[viscid chasm]

"minus corporeal form"

[eager marsh]

if you coincidentally die 2 minutes later thats just happenstance

[raw ocean]

"Boss we need better uniforms, how else will we aura farm under the order while standing on top of gargoyles!"

[viscid chasm]

Someone didn't read!!

[eager marsh]

We're D&D players none of us read

[viscid chasm]

this isnt jujutsu kaisen lil bro

[eager marsh]

that's factually true with stronger souls actually. they have more value the more powerful they are

[viscid chasm]

Yup.

[raw ocean]

"Go run with fade with these angels my squire!" Yes sir!

Everyone always thinks being a servant is bad, if you are being forced to work while being under the threat of death, that's just slavery

[hot gate]

Also depends quite a lot on how the DM happens to run the whole afterlife spiel.

[eager marsh]

just sell your soul to the devil's blood war and be a recruitment officer in life. sign other souls into the war in exchange for saving them in life. more souls you transfer, the higher your starting devil form when you die

[raw ocean]

Just sell your first born child, then never have a child

[hot gate]

I actually had that come up in a recent session, turns out there is fine print for that.

[eager marsh]

there's fine print for everything

[hot gate]

There are also devils that have inbuilt contract loopholes, which is a great rp aid.

[buoyant oar]

Devil contracts are no joke in my games.

My brother is a contract attorney. So each time a player makes a deal with a devil I pay him to write up a contract. Spend 30-60 minutes going over the contract with the player. And then he sends them to the player with a read receipt and adobe e-sign.

At least devils are trustworthy 😉

[raw ocean]

I think loopholes should be dependent on contract, if I just want an apple, im having a talk with the DM if it somehow loops into me losing my soul

same thing with wish monkey paws

[stark arch]

yay my oath breaker now gets Dark speech aproved by dm 😄

[hot gate]

What's dark speech?

[buoyant oar]

That works until you get a demon you can't kill.

[stark arch]

something out of the book of vile darkness

[burnt valley]

Do not trust the DM while they are controlling the Fiend/Efreeti/Genie

[hot gate]

oh I see

[hot gate]

For me it's usually just up to the character I'm playing.

[buoyant oar]

Where most people make in my opinion, the error is that you as a player if you are below. Level 12 should never be making a deal with a corporate executive level devil.

Your boss would be an up-and-coming one. Somebody who just broke into middle management. Somebody who has something to gain by having you

[raw ocean]

I remember when I just asked the the ability to know if people are lying to me, and the DM still tried putting a loop hole on it

while another player got a literal infinite bag of gold with the only downside being that the gold shape is random

[hot gate]

Always on lie detection seems really powerful, so I'm not surprised.

[hot gate]

You're in tier 4 right? This sounds quite silly, but probably fine at that point.

[raw ocean]

Tier 4 campaign already, I could just slaughter a city and use speak with the dead

[hot gate]

Speak with dead don't talk to their killer though.

[raw ocean]

Lie detection isen't that busted, especially when I only got to use it twice in the entire campaign

[burnt valley]

Favouritism moment

[raw ocean]

twice

[hot gate]

Seems like probably best to talk to the DM, if you felt like that was unfair.

[buoyant oar]

A good devil would never reap the moment their investment is secured

Souls to a devil. Is like a good ETF option on the stock market. Tend to it. Help it grow and sooner or later you'll be ranking in the cash

[raw ocean]

campaigns already over anyways

I just don't like getting unfair monkey paws for generally simple wishes

[buoyant oar]

So later on when the player wants to be let out and they make the argument that they're worth at least 10 common people.

Well that's when the devil just says you are right, to get out. You need to get me 10 souls

[raw ocean]

especially with the chance of not being able to use wish anymore in itself

[burnt valley]

Thats an average DM moment, wishes are never for free

[hot gate]

oh alright ah well

[buoyant oar]

I think the spell specifically mentions monkey paw

[raw ocean]

If I broke into a dwarf vault, got permenantly marked down as a kill on sight in the dwarf grudge book, and I almost died, I deserve a monkey pawless wish

if im spamming the wish spell for something powerful, I can understand a monkey paw

[burnt valley]

What would you do if your players stop believing/falling for devil deals

[raw ocean]

if I worked my buns off for the wish, I am not dealing with it

[burnt valley]

I agree

[raw ocean]

Feels like most demon deals are buns anyways

unless you scam the demon

but you still get the down side of yk, a demon wanting you dead

I don't understand why more demons aren't more chill

no rush really, just take their soul when they die

[burnt valley]

Sadistic demons are fun for the DM, squeezes out every rp potential out of it

[raw ocean]

Im more of a slow burn DM

Let the consequences build up slowly

Remember that deal you made 20 sessions ago?

much more rewarding

[stark arch]

spell save dc 13 at lvl 3 with standart aray good?

[glass granite]

It’s the highest you can get at level 1-3 (in 2024 rules), so yes

[raw ocean]

After hearing this I want to see a completely dense lawful good paladin trying to convert a succubus to way or worship

[ashen kelp]

I wonder if Conan Barbarian was a massive influence for dnd

[burnt valley]

That would be hilarious

[raw ocean]

"Today my succubus friend, we will be venturing into charity work!"

[burnt valley]

Would you want a slow burn romance to happen between the Pally and Succubi?

[ashen kelp]

I guess so then

[burnt valley]

Fair

[raw ocean]

romance but the paladin dosen't realize till he's on his death bed

"Oh my god she was into m-" beeep

[buoyant oar]

I never make Devil deals something to "Fall for." It is always a contract with benefits and decorators.

First step to making believable devils.

They are not inherently tricksters.

[raw ocean]

Demons are alot of scummy things, but they never lie [in my canon]

[ashen kelp]

I thought demons were more or less beasts and devils do the lying?

[raw ocean]

I do like the representation of demons being extremely fair and trustworthy, just making their deals or games extremely hard or alot of down sides

[burnt valley]

Fair enough

[raw ocean]

If I had to explain on how I imagine demons I would say "Don Arlelelle Eruca Fulgrouche"

Keeps his deals but you have to go through literal hell to get them

Chainsaw man makes sense with the deals

Spoiler: ||Future devil gives aki some powers for free just because he's interested in how he dies||

While other devils give way simpler deals just because someone could be pretty

[severe rampart]

that isn't really much of a spoiler but yeah

[raw ocean]

You would be surprised about the amount of people who get upset at spoilers from shows they had no chance of watching in their expansive lifespan

[marble lion]

She would go along with it and make him completely fall in love with her. Broken toxic gf routine
Then she owns him and does the thing

Niceguy paladins wouldnt stand a chance against a competent succubus

Seduction isnt just swaying hips

[severe rampart]

Yeah, there are other ways of persuasion

[raw ocean]

What if they lowkey just teach eachover the good and bad things of life and become a more level headed couple together, succubus experiences love instead of lust for the first time while paladin sees that theres more things to life than just being good

[viscid chasm]

that is a major spoiler for pt. 1 of csm

so yes, it is a spoiler. especially for anime only people.

[ashen kelp]

Does luring people with riches count as seduction

[raw ocean]

It's essentially the gojo spoiler, everybody knows about it but it's still a spoiler

[marble lion]

I guess it can

[severe rampart]

||Though, what I dont get is how much fear does a devil need to form? because in the manga, and MAJOR spoilers, Denji eats the legs devil, who is scared of legs??||

[raw ocean]

I could never be a paladin, I would fold instantly on some stuff

[severe rampart]

massive spoiler for CSM, don't click unless you're all caught up

[idle oar]

Let's move on from anime spoilers please

And back to D&D discussion

[severe rampart]

understood chief

[marble lion]

Time to spoil dnd modules instead 🔥

[burnt valley]

So how do DMs deal with overly paranoid players?

[idle oar]

That's for #1029833015423143957

[raw ocean]

Guys mythra is actually the god of magic

[real]

[ashen kelp]

If someone is bald, can they use their shiny head to flashbang people? 🤔

[severe rampart]

Right, so, what's this I'm hearing about where there's 9 places DnD Characters go to when they die?

[marble lion]

Wizard

[severe rampart]

and not just a Heaven, Purgatory, and Hell

[idle oar]

Have open, above table conversations. Help them see the DM is not an enemy but another player at the table.

[raw ocean]

On a snowy staircase while bleeding out, oh wait this isn't my male fantasy

[severe rampart]

I'll take a shot in the dark and say that various DnD deities have their own "after realm" where their followers go to when they die

[marble lion]

Plenty

[burnt valley]

Finally an actually better candidate for the position because anything is a better candidate than Mystra, hell, i would even vouch for Cyric to be in her position

[idle oar]

Check with your DM. May depend on game context and whether it fits the story vibe of the game.

[ashen kelp]

Like the nine divines?

[raw ocean]

Some players are valid for being paranoid, some DM's cannot be trusted

[burnt valley]

Dungeon

[vagrant quartz]

Guys, which death gods are the most not "evil god™"?

[viscid chasm]

Bhaal, Myrkul, Bane.

Oh wait that said not evil. I can't read.

[idle oar]

That sounds like expectations are not aligned at that table.

[vagrant quartz]

I was like , "that doesn't seem right"

[viscid chasm]

Yeah the Dead Three are just misunderstood! /j

IDK, I think all the death gods are incompetent fools.

Jergal or Kelemvor are the least evil, from what I've seen

[burnt valley]

I swear to god, some of em be Dr. Facilier from The Princess and The Frog

[burnt valley]

Very true, they are misunderstood /j

[ashen kelp]

Some people decorate whole rooms or basements for their DnD campaigns, I wonder how expensive it is to pull that off

[vagrant quartz]

I wanted to multiclass into a divine soul sorcerer, starting from spirits bard and I thought It whould be cool™

[burnt valley]

Quadruple digits or more in gold

Depends on what they buy tbh

[viscid chasm]

Consider Jergal or Kelemvor then. I think out of the Death Gods I know of, they're the most reasonable.

[idle oar]

Then hopefully players learn and protect themselves by leaving that DM. If you can't trust folks at the table, there's problems. And it's better to address those problems and get them fixed or it's time to find a better group to play with.

[vagrant quartz]

I'm basically playing a kid who hears ghosts and has his whole dead family on speed dial

[ashen kelp]

Are u at a major disadvantage if your PC doesn't believe in a god?

[stuck mango]

Hey, newcomer here. Just came here to ask experienced players a question, how painful is it to play GM?

[buoyant oar]

Least Evil Death God is probably Kelemvor.

[viscid chasm]

Not everything is to do with minmaxxing, if those classes fit the character, sure.

[viscid chasm]

Kelemvor did keep the Wall, so I'm not fond.

[raw ocean]

Depends on prep and how fast you burn out

and your personal sanity and how you deal with social conflict

[idle oar]

Nope. D&D does not require characters to believe in deities even though the gods are real in most official D&D settings (Eberron gets a bit hazy about them though to be fair).

[vagrant quartz]

Also all his friends and family died in a earthquake!

Tragic backstory™

[stuck mango]

Cause I saw the setup of Matthew Mercer GM and my jaw drop

[buoyant oar]

Least Evil is not best good

[ashen kelp]

A dragon sharted and 10,000 people died

[glass granite]

Not bad. It’s quite fun if it fits your skills, interests or style. I personally love it

[buoyant oar]

And the wall has been actively retconned

[vagrant quartz]

Can somebody explain to me the celestial soul sorcerer spell alignment thing?

I don't quite get it

[stuck mango]

I thought he did it for fun

[burnt valley]

Wasn't Matt also responsible for popularizing 5e?

[glass granite]

He’s also hella experienced compared to a lot of us

[idle oar]

Critical Roll did have some impact on the rising popularity of D&D but I would not attribute it as being the major factor.

[ashen kelp]

U get paid for dnd!????

[buoyant oar]

Some people (like me) do yes

[glass granite]

Some DM’s do, idk if music does

[burnt valley]

Ah alright

[idle oar]

Some folks do get paid to run D&D (looks at #paid-looking-for-game)

[knotty pasture]

I thought that was bg3

[glass granite]

Like, #paid-looking-for-game exists spe-

[glass granite]

UndyingNoob bet me to it

[stuck mango]

I mean he is the founder of Critical Role or was it just Exandria

[marble lion]

Mostly painless but sometimes work

[buoyant oar]

5e was a bit of a perfect storm with nerd culture, stranger things, critical role and a simpler rules system.

[uncut zenith]

CR was definitely a good boost for 5E, but yeah. D&D was already rising in popularity at the time. If anything, I think ST was really what helped bring it to the mainstream.

[buoyant oar]

Bg3 wasn't announced until halfway through 5e's life cycle.

[raw ocean]

Matt mercer has a net worth of 1.7 Million dollars as of 2024, I would be cruising and having fun as a DM if I could just chill like that

[ashen kelp]

Those minis Arent cheap ig 🥀

[hushed trail]

Yo hey guys new here

[raw ocean]

Good D&D dice cost a literal day's worth of work

[hushed trail]

But lukin for onli games with ppl i play ttrpg

[raw ocean]

100$ for shiny rocks 💔

[glass granite]

Gooood morning afternoon evening!
And happy new year

[buoyant oar]

COVID came 6 years into 5e

[burnt valley]

I think CR also changed people's perspective of 5e's system into being narrative focused despite the past being usually catered to math crunchy minmaxing, idk if im wrong

[idle oar]

Check out #find-a-game to learn how to use the Looking For Game channels to find a D&D game/group to join.

[uncut zenith]

Yep. COVID and the lockdown definitely inspired people to engage with activities that allowed them to socialize from a distance. So the popularity of online D&D was another boost.

[buoyant oar]

5e was already huge. It was like a secondary rocket.

[stuck mango]

Then BG3 made it even more I think

[burnt valley]

It kinda ended up newcomers into thinking most campaigns are gonna be like CR

[buoyant oar]

Covid was more of a booster rocket to online play in general. So many VTTs exploded

[lusty kelp]

boom

[raw ocean]

My extremly long distance D&D table business failed because of those dirty VTT's

[ashen kelp]

I was fully introduced to DND because of Baldurs gate :0

[raw ocean]

I even had really long push sticks made for them

[stuck mango]

Same

[burnt valley]

What would the 5e community be like if the perspective wasn't changed I wonder

[ashen kelp]

Then I found out DND doesn't do the left-right hand thing

[stuck mango]

Well that And Vox Machina

[buoyant oar]

10,000 people learn about a specific thing every day on average.

[raw ocean]

But nobody shall know how many tacos I ate

[ashen kelp]

208

[stuck mango]

20?

[glass granite]

At least 0

[raw ocean]

very very cold guesses

[burnt valley]

400

[raw ocean]

thousands should be the range your shooting for, im going to bed

[ashen kelp]

40,000

[spring light]

TacoEater 40,000

[viscid chasm]

The cousin to Warhammer 40,000?

[burnt valley]

Noble bright version

[ashen kelp]

"It's over John Taco, I have all 40,000 tacos"

"Never, Horus Enchilada!"

[spring light]

wow.

that one actually made me smile

[viscid chasm]

Robot Girlyman when Horus Tacorcal captures all 40,000 tacos and slays Guaciunius...?

[ashen kelp]

Surprised there's a lot of Warhammer fans here

[viscid chasm]

I'm not

[spring light]

Never played a game of it, but i am engaged with the lore to some degree.

gonna try out a tabletop game of warhammer next week or so, someone is letting me pilot their custodes

[idle oar]

A lot of folks enjoy many different games

And so you'll see quite a bit of cross-over.

[ashen kelp]

Are you THE lurking mod?

[idle oar]

I am a mod but also not really a topic for discussion (see #rules)

Anyone playing/running D&D over the New Years?

Anything fun planned?

[severe rampart]

Unfortunately our New Year's DnD Campaign got delayed

[idle oar]

Ruh roh!

[severe rampart]

so it's in 3-4 days instead

[spring light]

i'm planning time off from running d&d for about 2 months

and at the start of march, back to it every week

[idle oar]

Time to recharge the creative batteries

[severe rampart]

But I hope there are some one-shots from others that I could join when my party is busy

[spring light]

the event i run for is making adjustments for "season 2" based on how the game/event went over the course of the year.

the most obvious thing that broke: the economy.
at the end, every one of my players had well over 1m gp.
the average was about 5m

[severe rampart]

Here comes inflation

[ashen kelp]

Not really, I have Family is coming over for New years party

[severe rampart]

may I ask how they broke the economy?

[idle oar]

And tax collectors (make dragons the tax collectors?)

[ashen kelp]

They stole all the dragon loot

[spring light]

the event had special building and crafting rules, and sessions where players could bet.

[ashen kelp]

The lizards are broke now 🥀

[severe rampart]

Lmao, imagine the IRS coming to them because they forgot to pay taxes while adventuring

[spring light]

for several sessions i did have my party function as tax collectors, actually

[ashen kelp]

Were they good IRS members? 🥺

[zenith wind]

Happy new years y’all’s

[ashen kelp]

Hny!!!

[severe rampart]

would be so much funnier if there was an actual auditor in the group

[spring light]

they slowly realized they were actually working for big bad

[hidden spindle]

We delayed Christmas to New Year's Eve, which also doubles as my step dad's Birthday. And my siblings have discussed a mild interest in D&D from Stranger Things.

[severe rampart]

ah yes, corporate greed

[spring light]

:3 <- mfw the players realized they were the bad guys.

[lusty kelp]

nobles, man. never trust them.

[zenith wind]

I am always the bad guys some how

[severe rampart]

People near me don't know DnD but they do know stranger things, maybe that could help me find an irl group

[zenith wind]

(I dm)

[ashen kelp]

Did they punch the IRS boss?

[spring light]

He turned out to be the big bad they fought at the end of the campaign

punching wasn't exactly effective, but yes they did punch him

[ashen kelp]

Why would he lead a tax firm, did he run out of cash

[spring light]

he was the king of the land

[ashen kelp]

Ooohhh

[burnt valley]

the IRS is the true big bad

[spring light]

and at first it seemed he was a fair and just ruler, and the players were legitimately collecting taxes

but it turned out he was building his war budget, so he could launch a war against a smaller nation, and wound up enlisting devils to aid him.
up to and including becoming an avatar of asmodeus

yadda ya, players wound up winning by the skin of their teeth

[ashen kelp]

Asmodeus? The Daemon prince? Damn

Although

A big bad being corporate entities would make for a thought provoking campaign

No big dragon, no demon lord, or bandit boss, but a whole ring of scummy merchants, corrupt leaders, and lobbyists.

[lusty kelp]

Player vs Society.

[ashen kelp]

:3

[spring light]

in an entirely different game, i DO have an evil corporate lich who's actually a real estate developer

[rancid depot]

Happy new year

[severe rampart]

why would devils need gold?

[ashen kelp]

Lemme guess, he buys up cemeteries to raise the dead

[spring light]

the king needed gold to raise his mundane army, and devils were supplementing that army

[lusty kelp]

pay off yugoloth mercs

[severe rampart]

Ohh got it

[blissful ibex]

To trade to morals for their souls

[lusty kelp]

devils literally take chests of gold into battle to bribe yugoloth mercs from one side to theirs.

[spring light]

ultimately the mundane army wound up supplementing the devil army

[burnt valley]

Cyberpunk moment

[spring light]

there was a sub-sub-plot that i was running where the king had tricked the other kingdom into summoning demons for their own aid, and thus kicking off the bloodwar on the material plane.

[ashen kelp]

Raise the retirement age to 75 and property tax by 200% mwahahahaa

[lusty kelp]

Angels vs fae bloodwar plot when?

[spring light]

the angels DID get involved too!
and even the fae

it was a good ol' big ol' bash and everyone was invited

[burnt valley]

Who won the bloodwar?

[lusty kelp]

The General of the Yugoloths

[lucid bobcat]

Gulps in DM I may have had them imprisoned for a week ingame for Tax Evasion.....

[lusty kelp]

He profits while everyone else has to bleed souls and resources

[spring light]

the final session: my players are trying their typical tactics, and not really getting any success. Even at level 20 sheer power and tactics wasn't going to win the fight. it was designed to be impossible by that measure.

they had to use all the boons i had been giving them throughout the campaign to fix the balance of power, and ultimately won after a long struggle.

So the material plane, backed by deific/celestial powers won. This time...

[burnt valley]

How strong was the BBEG in the fight?

[vernal owl]

im so excited i get to draw my fav dnd pc for an art competition :>

[spring light]

the avatar of asmodeus was probably cr30, and the infernal tarrasque was about cr35

[ashen kelp]

No words like "conquest," "Domination" or "Enslavement"

Only "Bureaucracy" "Monopoly" and "Internship."

[burnt valley]

Infernal Tarrasque? Damn, whats the changes from normal Tarrasque? This sounds very fun to fight

[lusty kelp]

"100% marketshare on mortal resources..."

[spring light]

4 health pools, can only take so much damage per round, teleportation, can deal about 300 damage to each of multiple targets per round

[vernal owl]

whats better than a big lizard? a demon big lizard

[burnt valley]

Thats pretty cool

[ashen kelp]

"an indentured service, internment is slavery that comes with a purchase!"

[spring light]

The avatar and the tarrasque had ways to teleport back to each other, as i knew the party had ways to planeshift each of them.

[knotty pasture]

Because greed, also Mammon (one of the archdevils that rules the Nine Hells) is the embodiment of greed and desire

[burnt valley]

What's the avatar like tho?

[ashen kelp]

Srsly tho, a tip, if u see someone consistently saying "Purchase" instead of "buy" stay away from that man, he will con you.

[spring light]

#dnd-arts-and-crafts message kind of like this.

mechanically he was more of an anchor to keep the tarrasque on the field, able to summon adult dragons to serve as cannon fodder, some other stuff too

[severe rampart]

THEY'RE ALL LEVEL 20? AND THEY'RE STRUGGLING? HOW HARD IS THE BBEG?

[spring light]

by standard mechanics, it was essentially imposisble.

[severe rampart]

and these are all experienced players with years of games under their belt?

[spring light]

4 of them yes, 3 of them were brand new to TTRPG when they joined.

[ashen kelp]

So they had to rely on a macguffin to win?

[spring light]

multiple macguffins which they had earned/been given over the course of the game

[serene jolt]

Tbf I'm doing a one shot where we are level 20s. It's fairly challenging cuz we didn't grow with and learn from these characters. XD

[burnt valley]

Damn, now i wish i was there, at least the experience of fighting the infernal tarrasque

[spring light]

the tarrasque wound up doing MOST of the damage dealt to the avatar, when he slipped off the beast's back and got trampled (by the player's actions)

[burnt valley]

Oh oof

[spring light]

300hp, which was realistically about... uh...

1/12 ish of his total hp

1/9

[zenith wind]

I love light cleric

[ashen kelp]

Do Old Characters get debuffs because of their age?

[wraith kelp]

guys tell me diffrence between mages wizards and sorcerer cuz i have no idea

and is there a mage class in dnd

[buoyant oar]

There is no distinct mage class there are spell casters.

[wraith kelp]

oh

cuz in my language sorcerer and wizard are the same thing so idk

[buoyant oar]

Wizards are Intelligent Based Caster that draw from years of education and talent to manipulate magic.

Sorcerers tap into innate magic within them or the world around them. The type of magic is the same. But where as the Wizard is disciplined and has some talent. The Sorcerer is more raw talent and sometimes can't control their powers.

[wraith kelp]

nah but why do i wanna make a wizard/sorcerer/mage gamee

so wizard isnt innate sorcerer is witch makes it harder to controll the magic

[ashen kelp]

Wizards are guys who read books, Sorcerers just, do magic innately, it's an Education vs Talent thing

[wraith kelp]

but that doesent make sence if ur born with power doesent that mean like more expirience with it witch means that ur better with it?

[wraith kelp]

oh

[ashen kelp]

A guy who's been only alive for 20 years is not beating centuries or millenia of Magic research

[wraith kelp]

yes but i meant like if both were ''20'' years old yk?

[ashen kelp]

Research that a wizard studies vehemently

[ashen kelp]

Still the same case, most sorcerer's don't even know their full spell list, a Wizards got books about it

[wraith kelp]

oh right

btw i saw a video that wizards use wands but dont they use staffs and quarterstaff?

[buoyant oar]

It really also depends on your setting.

In the forgotten realms all spell casters have an innate gift to cast magic.

Their class more aligns with how that gift manifests and is used.

[buoyant oar]

They can use Staves

[ashen kelp]

Being a wizard means u get to wear the cool pointy hat :0

[woven flint]

My Wizard fella atm is a Harengon
He doesn't wear a hat 😔

[buoyant oar]

Sorcerers have been a base class since at least 3rd Edition D&D but IIRC, the first Sorcerer Player option was a Class Kit for Al-Qadim — Arabian Adventures in AD&D 2nd Edition

[woven flint]

Fraudulent wizard moment

[vagrant quartz]

Hello ppl

[buoyant oar]

Al-Qadim was also I believe to be the Most Supported of the IRL rips for the Forgotten Realms. And it's not hyper good. But of the bunch, Oriental Adventurers, Maztica, The Horde, and Old Empires. It's the best of the bunch. In terms of not just the most offensive thing ever.

[vagrant quartz]

Since we are on sorcerer/cleric topic

[ashen kelp]

Make him wear one, start a fashion revolution

[vagrant quartz]

Can someone explain to me the alignment thing for divine soul sorcerer

[wraith kelp]

hey algiz

[vagrant quartz]

Hello

[woven flint]

Oh, he hates hats, at least, ob himself, they're difficult to wear with those big ol ears of his
Also, he's a Bladesinger so he'd probably find it even more difficult with all the jumping, running, dodging and diving he does lmao

[buoyant oar]

Do you mean Divine Soul?

[vagrant quartz]

Yeah that thing

[wraith kelp]

guys

[zenith wind]

If I’m a light cleric how can I make myself broken?

[wraith kelp]

9 more hrs!

till 2026

[woven flint]

You're a Cleric, already one of the strongest classes in the game
I think you're fine lol

[wraith kelp]

8 and a half*

[ashen kelp]

For me, it's 1 hour and 17 mins

[wraith kelp]

dam lol tell me how the 2026 will be

[ashen kelp]

I'll let u know

[wraith kelp]

haha ty

[vagrant quartz]

Do you know what the god alignment thing means?

[serene jolt]

You'll be great as is!

But if you want to dip, dipping 6 into celestial warlock will give you more damage on your radiant and fire attacks.

[wraith kelp]

my room is full of demogorgons and mind flayers 😭

[serene jolt]

And also invocations and SR spell slots, plus bonus action healing isn't a bad deal.

[wraith kelp]

cuz im obsessed with stranger things lol

[woven flint]

I highly wouldn't recommend this as it's a MAD multiclass and it puts you way behind on spell progression.

Just do Cleric things and you'll be alright lol

[serene jolt]

It does. But I'm just giving a little suggestion with something that also works

[ashen kelp]

I like it when dms do inexplicable jokes in their campaigns, like their campaign is a classic medieval setting but then out of nowhere, there's a can of pepsi

[serene jolt]

That being said, I've had more successful full clerics.

[zenith wind]

What level would you recommend popping into warlock for because I deeply desire to reveal my lvl 3 aasimar’s ex girl friend devil some time soon

[serene jolt]

I always recommend waiting to dip until at least level 5-6.

[zenith wind]

Look we all do things we regret in our teens

[woven flint]

Multiclassing on a caster is a bad choice imho.

[zenith wind]

Like providing a rebellion which summons a hot demon chick to overthrow your cousins religion

[buoyant oar]

Can you link the specific feature that calls this out. I can't seem to find it.

[woven flint]

You could always just.. have an Evil EX Girlfriend without multiclassing lmao

[burnt valley]

You dont multiclass on a caster, you instead take class armour dips like Cleric

[lusty kelp]

... that's restricted to teenage regrets?

[burnt valley]

This

[zenith wind]

I am already a light cleric secret aasimar

I need a hot forbidden demon ex

It’s for the lore trust

[serene jolt]

While multiclassing on spellcasters does push you back, sometimes it's more fun and versatile multiclassing.

Like my warlock has 1 level in fighter and she's super self sustainable.

[lusty kelp]

I just kinda... stuck with the demon summoning thing since I was a kid. Has worked out perfectly for me

[woven flint]

While that is true, the whole idea was to make the character stronger in the original question, Multiclassing a caster regardless makes them weaker overall

[zenith wind]

Look as the puppet figurehead of a religious rebellion i was just like enjoying the moment ok

[lusty kelp]

Blade'locks have more in common with paladins and rangers, imho, than full casters. Especially when we start talking mystic arcanum. Dipping is actually better for bladelocks once you get that third attack.

[lusty kelp]

The problem I have is that you STOPPED enjoying it. Go all in, come for the forbidden thrills, stay for the cookies

[woven flint]

If you want to multiclass your Cleric, go ahead, but do keep in mind, falling back beyond 2 levels can absolutely hurt and almost ruin a character

I've experience with my Druid-Rogue character 💀

I was a newbie back then though, so... yeah lmao

[stiff jewel]

Anyone see anything wrong with a House Rule changing the action surge rule, adding to the fact that you can't use it to cast the magic action, but the house rule adding that you can't use it following a magic action.

Eldritch Knights are exempt from this house rule.

[severe rampart]

I feel like all of your characters are druids in some way, is there something you'd like to tell us, Tokii?

[woven flint]

What?
No, I've only played Two Druids.

I've played more Monks and Clerics than anything

[lusty kelp]

can i ask why? I'm not sure how this is needed as a rule.

[severe rampart]

Ah I see, my bad

[woven flint]

If I could tell you something, I love my wisdom-based classes lmao

[wraith kelp]

ello

[lusty kelp]

Hihi! ❤️

[severe rampart]

I hate my wisdom-based classes

My Ranger has 8 wisdom and 7 intelligence

[woven flint]

Mkay

[wraith kelp]

where can i draw online?

[severe rampart]

oh wisdom based classes not spellcasting

[severe rampart]

Uh what do you mean?

[wraith kelp]

like i wanna draw but idk where

[severe rampart]

This channel is about DnD stuff, so I'm not really sure

[wraith kelp]

ops

[severe rampart]

but I've heard Krita is good

[wraith kelp]

i tought i was in arts and crafts 😭

[umbral girder]

#dnd-arts-and-crafts might help!

[serene jolt]

I mean I did say that a full cleric is better and more successful. 🤷

I know this from experience as well. My full Life Cleric would blow my multiclass out of the water.

[inner silo]

Is a curse that forces a person to consume others souls (they're not destroyed but stored inside them) and if they don't absorb souls for a long time necrosis starts spreading throughout their body?

[knotty pasture]

Ngl the strongest casters all involve multiclassing, but they're mostly dips and is there to patch up gaps in their build

[undone fable]

Paladin 1/sorcerer 19

[tribal light]

Is it more, less or equally ethical to wear clothing made from human skin as it is to wear armor made of dragon scales?

I decided to have a kobold NPC totally ice out the players because one of them had a dragon scale coat

[lusty kelp]

Less. Dragon scales shed, and can be life saving. No one wears human skin for protection. A closer analog would be organ donors

[buoyant oar]

And Dragons ≠ Kobolds

Two different species and types

[serene jolt]

That's true. My 1 Fighter X Warlock is pretty solid with those weapon masteries, a little extra healing, proficiencies, and saves.

[lusty kelp]

Kobold might have religious reverence and consider it defilement

[serene jolt]

I do not regret that multiclass choice.

[tribal light]

Human skin sheds

[wraith kelp]

what should i multiclass with a wizard

[tribal light]

Kobolds are dragons in 2024

[serene jolt]

1 Artificer X Wizard is always a good choice. Gives you medium armor and shields and good save profs.

[lusty kelp]

So, you made leather vest from dust?

[serene jolt]

Otherwise, I'd always recommend just doing straight wizard.

[wraith kelp]

i dont have artificer

[serene jolt]

Then I'd just do straight wizard personally.

[buoyant oar]

Hmm in that case. It really depends on the kobold.

[lusty kelp]

Depends. Usually artificer, sometimes fighter, so times cleric

[buoyant oar]

Kobolds are listed as distant cousins to dragons.

[wraith kelp]

ill just be a wizard

[serene jolt]

Depends on your stats. If you can multi into cleric or fighter, then sure. Dip one into those (at first level). Artificer just works well with wizard because of sharing stats.

[wraith kelp]

idk what race to be

[lusty kelp]

Elf

[wraith kelp]

i already put a human but idk

[knotty pasture]

Gnome

[undone fable]

Whats a good race for Paladin?

[serene jolt]

Fairy, Satyr, Elf, Yuan Ti, Human, Aasimar. Lots of good options.

Whatever you want. It's DnD. XD

[knotty pasture]

Tieflings make for excellent Paladins

[wraith kelp]

bruh

[lusty kelp]

Aasimar, hooman, dragon,

[cobalt owl]

Wizard gets the most out of it by being mono, but go for your life

[wraith kelp]

why did no one tell me that gnomes are part of inventors

[knotty pasture]

Nah Wizard wants a multiclass

[serene jolt]

Getting profs into armor and shields isn't ever a bad idea for a squishy

[knotty pasture]

Life or Twilight gives all the proficiencies it needs + really handy level 1 Cleric spells

[burnt valley]

Heavy armour proficiency in 2024 too, the movement speed decrease is nullified by Phantom Steed

[tribal light]

Literally isn't that pleather

[wraith kelp]

im a wizard with human and i got to choose 3 spells of cleric i choose spare the dying, command and thaumaturgy

[undone fable]

Tiefling Paladin
Aasimar Fiend warlock

[tribal light]

Also maybe I cast mending on every skin flake I find until it becomes a nice shawl

[woven flint]

That doesn't invalidate what I said lol

[buoyant oar]

On kobolds and dragon scale it depends on the kobold and dragon.

Kobolds are listed as servants to Chromatics.

So a gold dragon scale curiass might be seen as Awesome to a kobold.

[wraith kelp]

idk why but i like the command spell

[lusty kelp]

Idk, is it? My point is that dragon scales can be collected ethically. Can you make a human skin-dust outfit ethically? How would you? why?

[woven flint]

It wastes an enemies entire turn for a level 1 spell

I can see why lol

[wraith kelp]

fr lol

[lusty kelp]

Command is great

[buoyant oar]

And a Kobold who was once a slave to Dragons but escaped might relish in as many dragons as possible dying. Serves the dragon right for thinking it should have the right to enslave.

[tribal light]

In the course of a d&d game a PC will kill many, many more humans than dragons. The unethical part is the killing. Once the human is dead why is skinning and tanning it any less ethical?

As for why: it's called fashion sweetie try it sometime

[buoyant oar]

It really isn't tbh. All things are equal under the sun. Except I am more equal than the dragon because he is dead and I am not.

[tribal light]

Is making a human skin coat from a duly executed convict ok?

It's just gonna go to waste

[lusty kelp]

I hate to break it to ya, but thats not fashion.

[tribal light]

They literally made shoes from the skin of an old West outlaw

[buoyant oar]

Depends on who is doing it.

[tribal light]

Legit question if a lizard folk does it is it ok?

[lusty kelp]

That's a morbid statement.

Not fashion