dnd-discussion

[scenic zinc]

3 levels of warlock? Or are they multiclass?

[atomic kayak]

part of why I replied directly to one of Reg's comments initially

[scenic zinc]

And my entire point is that WotC doesn't own the setting, so it doesn't matter that they only published wildemount. The tal'dorei book is still official for the setting, regardless of wotc not publishing it.

[potent prawn]

3 levels of warlock. Problem is that i seriously dont understand how the spell assignment and spell slots work.

[scenic zinc]

Something you yourself even admitted was true.

[crimson gulch]

I tend to not worry about the concept of cannon, my games get ran my way

I got booted from a Facebook Greyhawk group because I said I was going to allow all the races in MoTM and the phb in a Greyhawk game lol

[fossil hollow]

i always like it when people stick to source material in other media, so that subconsiously effects how i run my module games

[scenic zinc]

It has significantly less to do with canon as it does to do with content available to draw from.

[crimson gulch]

Thats one thing I really love about exandria, there's so much less content compared to forgotten realms, I actually have it all for exandria

[knotty pasture]

Warlocks have their own unique spell slots (2 for a good chunk of the game until higher levels), but the spells are always casted at their highest level depending on your level

[atomic kayak]

at the same point where I said exactly why people don't consider it official yes, because its not official dnd content. Exactly addressing this

though some people like to weirdly pretend like the content from CR 1, 2, and 3 aren't definitively canon content they can draw from should they choose and that they can weirdly only use the wildemount book

In terms of the dnd canon/officiality/choose whatever word you want, they (especially CR 3) don't fall into the general category used by people.

[scenic zinc]

It literally doesn't matter if it's dnd official.

[atomic kayak]

There is ofc the factor of "some people get weird about CR in general and thus get weird about its inclusion in the dnd multiverse", but that isn't directly applicable here

[scenic zinc]

It's not owned by dnd.

[potent prawn]

highest level? What do you mean?

[fossil hollow]

#dnd-newcomers

[atomic kayak]

For why people think stuff isn't canon content?

Thats exactly what matters - if its dnd official.

[scenic zinc]

And I'm, for the last time, saying that that doesn't matter. Because exandria isn't owned by WotC.

[fossil hollow]

i mean, we got arkhan the cruel in official books a while back

[atomic kayak]

It might not matter to you, but it does to many people

[fossil hollow]

it mentions exandria too iirc

[scenic zinc]

They're welcome to be wrong.

[atomic kayak]

Exandria is officially in the dnd multiverse yes, its mentioned in a few books.

But the extent to which all of the events of the CR campaigns (particularly anything post C1) is official (in terms of dnd) is limited

[atomic kayak]

They aren't wrong though. In terms of being official to dnd (whether that be in terms of lore or product), they are correct

You just don't like the demarcation

[fossil hollow]

-# new word of the daym demarcation

[scenic zinc]

They're not.

#dnd-discussion message

[atomic kayak]

Just because they are using a different demarcation than you doesn't mean that they are wrong about why they are not considering certain things canon

[scenic zinc]

Their demarcation is incorrect.

[atomic kayak]

Its not

[scenic zinc]

It is.

#dnd-discussion message

[atomic kayak]

You've already admitted to using a different demarcation, thats ok

[crimson gulch]

I've learned a new word today, demarcation

[fossil hollow]

same

[crimson gulch]

Anyone thing discord nitro is worth it?

[scenic zinc]

I also never said they had to use it as canon. I said, many times over, that that content is just additional source material that's official for the setting.

[crimson gulch]

Like do the features help online games at all?

[scenic zinc]

Which it is.

[fossil hollow]

depends on what you want it for. i mostly do it for emojis. soundboards can be distracting

[atomic kayak]

in that specific context of official sure.

[scenic zinc]

which is the entire context my original statement said

[crimson gulch]

Offical for the setting meaning content produced by the original authors that happen to retain the rights? Yeah thst checks out and is what Azerick has been sayin

[atomic kayak]

and like I said, the rest of the conversation that wasn't you was evidently not using the same context

as mentioned before

but anyway, I'm gonna dip

[crimson gulch]

I just discovered custom emjois

I'm making face emojis for my players In my online games

[fossil hollow]

ye, i leech off other servers for most of my emojis

[scenic zinc]

It can... but only by people boosting the server being used.

As doing so increases audio quality of calls and other features in discord servers

[fickle heart]

Trebuchets have the longer range anyways /s

[fossil hollow]

i think my wifi and mic cancel out the mic effects from nitro mao

[crimson gulch]

Ahh, ethetnet cables are the way for sure

[scenic zinc]

-# i withheld my commentary of the typo, thank you

[fossil hollow]

i wish i can have one. the laptop is too mobile to have a dedicated one

i need to buy a pc at this point

[lilac kelp]

There are very long ethernet cables.

[lavish escarp]

hello, i am playing a lv2 archfey warlock and I my DM gave my character a dagger which does +1 force damage once per short rest; am I wrong in finding it incredibly underwhelming?

i am still sort of a new player, the dm says doing +x of a dice roll would be too strong for this level

but this is basically +1 dmg once or twice per session, if I ever use the dagger at all (which I won't because I'm a trickster spellcaster that doesn't do melee)

[lilac kelp]

Being a total D&D noob, but a game designer I would've done +1d4 per short rest just because it's more exciting to roll a dice. Gives you high and low moments and an average of +2.

[knotty basin]

If it also had a +1 to hit, I’d get it

[lavish escarp]

nope, just +1 dmg, once per short rest

[knotty basin]

Yeah that’s worthless

[shy stirrup]

It does feel a bit underwhelming, to the point that I'd be wondering why bother, but then again I understand the DM wanting to keep a lid on player power levels, and also free damage is like free money, even if its just a measly +1 per SR

[lavish escarp]

i now notice that it is also a spellcasting focus, but my staff already is as well, still I will try to keep an open mind, thanks for your input!

[shy stirrup]

So that's probably its most useful quality, if you get disarmed or lose your staff, and even as a spellcaster you might find occasional opportunities to poke a monster with your dagger, if its prone and you have Disadvantage, and you can safely nip in and out of danger

It's nice to have options 🤷‍♂️

[lavish escarp]

guess so, I know that if left on my own I can be a bit too negative, so thanks for your perspective!

[keen wedge]

Hello

[flat field]

Hello

[jovial shadow]

Hello

[autumn kernel]

Ok, so i need a quick question to be answered..I am going to be hosting for a couple of ppl new to DnD and I need suggestions for a campaign to run for people who are a mix of stroy driven & combat..anyone have ideas? if so @ me or dms

[flat field]

Lost mine of phandelvers is really good for new players and dm🤷‍♂️

[crimson gulch]

The new keep on the borderlands box set is perfect for new players

[flat field]

I posted for a game in the looking for players chanal

[dapper cloud]

Any of the starter set adventures.

[craggy summit]

Dragon of icespire peak and lost mine of phandelver. Also keys to the golden vault is a fun curveball. It's not really too much of a story or combat thing but it's a fantastic taste of what d&d is about for new players

[lusty valley]

https://www.dndbeyond.com/sheet-pdfs/caysoncocke_157301421.pdf

How does this look? if anyone has time

[gaunt roost]

it looks like a character sheet. If you are talking about how viable it is, I would say this guy died before reaching adulthood, what with having a con of 2

I know of literally no system of determining stats that would even allow you to have a con of 2. It seems literally impossible

[flat field]

I think you know the stats are atrocious, but if not that, your backstory does not gives a lot of Meat for your dm. There's not a lot to work with, it's real close to the achetype (i speak french, that word feels wrong?) Of the lone wolf who everyones hates

[gaunt roost]

Also the HP are all kinds of wrong. 30 HP with d10 and -4 every level? That would mean you rolled 10s every level, highly unlikely

[crisp lake]

the stats are impossible, first of all

[lusty valley]

Oh

Sorry this is my first character lol😭

[gaunt roost]

are you missing some 1's there? like are all those stats supposed to be 2 digits?

[crisp lake]

i hope so

[lusty valley]

Can someone help me😭

[crisp lake]

basically

[wicked rampart]

Wait im new also where to bigin

[crisp lake]

?abilities

[gaunt roost]

ok, first of all, what did you use to determine your attributes? Array, Point buy, rolling 3d6/4d6 drop lowest?

[amber echo]

guys i have a doubt from one fighting style can help me?

[lusty valley]

Dm me and also i have no idea

[flat field]

Did you do the caracter with dnd Beyond ? If so there's a mode where the site/app help you create your first caracter. Also for your first do a level 1. Your dm will walk you in the level ups

[crisp lake]

thats probably where it went downhill

[wicked rampart]

M2

[lusty valley]

Our dm wanted to start lvl 5

[flat field]

Ok, that's a start. I have like 30 min if you want, i can help you out. Dm me

[dapper cloud]

I’m assuming he meant for the numbers to be the modifiers, not the actual score.

[lusty valley]

Huh?

[dapper cloud]

Like, he probably should have +2 in con and so on.

Idk man, I have no idea how this happened.

[crisp lake]

unlikely, seeing the 7

[gaunt roost]

Also, I realize your first language is probably not english, but uh, "died while conceiving" is not the same as "died while in labour". Second one means during birth, first one means during the step before that. I certainly hope that is just a translation error

[lusty valley]

English is my first language i aint good at allat

[hushed mason]

Do you understand the difference now?

[lusty valley]

Not rly

[gaunt roost]

with the act of "Conceiving" is typically meant the act of love that a mommy cleric and a daddy cleric that love each other very much do on the day of the holy blessing in hopes of "Conceiving" a child and nothing else

or a stereotypical bards friday night

[crisp lake]

"Mommy cleric and daddy cleric." is wild

[gaunt roost]

also, while your backstory is mostly about how everyone you ever knew hated you for no reason, your bonds and flaws are about what a terrible person you are. I dont dislike the angle of being an evil narcissist that cant see their own faults, but is that intentional?

Also one of your personal Traits (of which you have 3 noted down) is that you have morbid interests and a macabre (Blank). A macabre what? Or did you mean to write macaque? Like you have a pet monkey?

[gaunt roost]

we do not tolerate bard talk in this house of the lathander, god of birth and sunlight. Be assured that any "wild" action taken during the parts of love that are required to aquire a child are not sanctioned by the church, no matter what the local Sune priest has told you

also, lets not think of the implication that lathander is a committed longterm relationship with chauntea, godess of agriculture, and the fact that years of bountiful harvests are signs of their, uhm, "active" love for each other

[hushed mason]

Zappy, you're so very kind. You've managed to give a great review of the sheet without being mean.

[gaunt roost]

What fighting style is troubling you?

[hushed mason]

I, on the other hand, got a time-out for mentioning the species of the great white whale. I was just trying to be technical. shrugs

[gaunt roost]

I always assumed that to be an albino sp whale, given that beluga whales arent that big in general, and proooobably cant bite someones foot off, the same applies to most bearded whales

yes a blue whale is big enough to tear off someones foot with just weight but it cant really bite down on stuff

also, Ladyslay, yes I am riffing a bit, I admit I could be nicer.

[hushed mason]

Oh, I wasn't being sarcastic, even if you are.

[jovial bough]

i had an idea of a dual wielding spellsinger but i am a bit unsure how i would make it work

[gaunt roost]

what worries you? Spellsingers are pretty good all things considered, and dual-wielding is fine on its own as well, so what part do you think will not work?

[jovial bough]

havnt seen the spellblade use dual weald, do they work well together, feels like everyone ive seen have picked other options

[gaunt roost]

Ah, thats mostly I feel because of the fact that you use your Bonus Action for dual wielder. A lot of classes get features and spells that can use their bonus actions for big effects (misty step, inspiration, healing, what have you). With Dual Wielder, you get an extra attack as bonus action without adding your ability modifier to damage. Which can be essential on something like a rogue that is just trying to get a hit in for sneak attack, but generally is "just" another damage die. Furthermore, as Dual Wielder requries you to take the Attack action, you cannot combine it with booming blade and the like. So yeah, its harder to pull off properly, and limits your choices of attacks, but its not like doing more attacks is really a bad thing

if the fact that you cannot use cantrips that require a weapon attack as part of the spell deter you from using dual wielding, do coordinate that with your dm. I personally wouldnt have a problem with it due to it being a bonus action attack without ability modifier to damage, but RAW thats not allowed. My opinion would differ, if you were to try to ask if you can just cast booming blade twice a turn, however, as that would be very much against the intent of the feature

Sorcerers can do that by investing 2 sorcery points per turn, though

[umbral girder]

You’ll need to get your hands on a Ruby of the War Mage.

The biggest weakness of a Dual Wielding spell used is having a free hand for a component. Material and Somatic both need you hands after all

[gaunt roost]

that or warcaster. or just using verbal component spells

wait you might be right that for material components you still dont have a hand free, so you would need the ruby as focus, hm

[hollow lance]

is there a list of spells that can only target humanoids?

[umbral girder]

A list? No

[gaunt roost]

overall it seems that making Dual Wielder worthwhile on a spellsinger is a lot of work and requires feats7magical items to not need to overthink stuff, which would explain why its rarely done

[gaunt roost]

not a list, but basically any spell that mentions "person" targets humanoids

according to the wording of dnd, only Humanoids are "persons"

[hollow lance]

damn, just trying to figure out since I'm playing a changeling

[umbral girder]

Just gotta read the spells

[gaunt roost]

Hold person, dominate person, charm person, vampire charm that works like charm person, all work only against humanoids

[fossil hollow]

in 2024, vampires just use charm person (which i think is good, because it incentivices them using it out fo combat to mess with players first rather than waltzing into combat)

[sullen ingot]

Do we know yet what the next 5.5 book is going to be? It felt like there was nothing for me in the Eberron book, which is fine, but now I want more options anyway

[reef tundra]

Lack of regeneration on 2024 vampires hurts me

[umbral girder]

You could just say “when is the next book”

[gaunt roost]

yeah. Dm didnt read the old vampire charm in entirety once, literally used it from invisilbility to charm the barbarian into attacking the rest of the group because he didnt know it needed visible eye contact and expected it to work like dominate monster because "thats how it was shown in vox machina". Clarifying it works like charm person is much, much better

[umbral girder]

People thinking Critical role is how it works once again

And not the text that’s in front of them

[proper forum]

Hello I'd like some advice. My character is a paladin and has just reached level 8. His strength and charisma are both at 16. Which should I prioritize?

[fossil hollow]

CHA

[umbral girder]

Charisma or a feat

Good for channel divinities and aura and spells

[gaunt roost]

thats quite a difficult question. How is the damage in the group? If its low, go for str. Unless you picked up eldritch adept feat for pact of the blade along the way, you will fall behind slightly. For any other reason, go CHA. Charisma will improve yours and everyone elses saves and all your features except for you attacking people. Given the typical role of a paladin as a tank support, you should prefer spreading defense more than putting in hits

[sullen ingot]

I could but depending what the next book is I may be asking about the next book out after that 🙂

[umbral girder]

Besides there are spells paladins have for damage anyway too

[scenic zinc]

What is your usual playstyle? What other features does this character have? Based on just two ability scores, this question is hard to answer in my opinion.

I will say, however, you should focus on increasing one or the other to 20 sooner than later due to the game basically relying on the assumption the primary stat you're using for attacks is at a +5 by tier 3.

[gaunt roost]

Eh, usually those spells are called "SMITE" which require you to hit first. Paladins (subclasses nonewithstanding) dont really do direct damage spells

[proper forum]

My team has really good damage dealers so I'm definitely going for charisma. But would it be better to increase constitution (it;s at 14) or forget the ability score improvement and choose a feat?

[gaunt roost]

I mean the first actual AOE that all paladins get I can think of is Destructive Wave for 10d6 damage at level 17. Correct me please if Im wrong there

[heady charm]

Does anyone know of any Homebrew warhammer dnd one shots and class and race spreadsheets?

[scenic zinc]

Paladins don't exist to be the damage dealer, despite how many people decide to play them. That's not what the class excels at.

They're a support class.

[umbral girder]

Mainly divine favor and bless were my thoughts.
(Crusader’s mantle once they get another level)

[eager marsh]

it definitely still excells at it just fine. And also you should take a feat anyways. all feats are half asi now as is outside origin feats

[gaunt roost]

Con is a trap (jokes aside) charisma will also íncrease your con save the same way as well as everyone elses saves. The only feat you might consider if you actually are worried about your own HP is the Tough feat (though thats technically an origin feat) that will double the HP gained from a singular Con increase

[lean wigeon]

why not just play Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay

[scenic zinc]

Without any additional info, take the asi and add 2 to cha.

[umbral girder]

Con is dependent on your adventuring days

[scenic zinc]

Adding 4 instead of 3 to yours and your allies saving throws within 10 ft is very good.

[umbral girder]

If you have long adventuring days then it’s a decent investment for max hp, very common saving throws, and hp healing from hit dice

[gaunt roost]

Two of those three spells require you to hit. Granted, dnds whole shebang about "its a 65% hit chance for appropriate monsters" falls apart once you realize most monsters are scaled for offense not defense and therefore easier to hit than you would expect. But yeah, given their more supportive role, those all will raise the average dpr

[proper forum]

So far the campaign is super easy and we have 3 damage dealers. I usually sit at the front so that the enemies hit me and not them. I smite pretty often but it doesn't make that much of a difference. I don't use spells at all even though I have them and I heal using lay on hands.

[umbral girder]

Bless doesn’t require you to hit

It just makes sure you and the group hits.

[gaunt roost]

I said 2 out of 3 for that specific reason

[umbral girder]

Also the same can be said for boosting strength

[gaunt roost]

but yes, it makes oyu and everyone else more certain to hit

[umbral girder]

It requires you to hit to add that damage

[scenic zinc]

Cha is still the right ability to increase instead of con, due to your aura.

[proper forum]

Should I pick up a feat instead?

[scenic zinc]

You've not said which ones you have, so I'm unsure.

[proper forum]

None

[gaunt roost]

Given that you hit with str, my point stands? Its a non-resource investment that gives a permanent +1 to hits and damage, like an enchanted sword, but anyways cha is the option they should pick most definetly anyways

[scenic zinc]

Oh so you're playing '14

[proper forum]

At all

What is 14?

[umbral girder]

The old rules for 5e

[scenic zinc]

Regular 5e

[gaunt roost]

the rulesset. There is 5e 2014 and DnD One 2024, or 14 and 24 shortened

[proper forum]

Wait wait wait I thought we were excluding racial feats

[umbral girder]

5e got a big patch fixing some issues in 2024 (ten years after the 2014 release)

[scenic zinc]

You'd have at least one feat if you were using the udate

[eager marsh]

There are no such thing as racial feats unless yo'ure human

[hot marlin]

The fifth edition if D&D came out in 2014. In 2024 there was a revision to the rules. Sometimes it's called 24, sometimes 5er, sometimes 5.5

[umbral girder]

Yeah 2024 gives everyone a free feat at level 1

[scenic zinc]

I wasn't excluding the origin feat from your background.

[proper forum]

Because I do have racial feats and divine oath feats. I didnt include them becasue I thought they were obvious.

[eager marsh]

those arent feats

[lament wedge]

Lwk where’s the bot thingy

[eager marsh]

those are features

[hot marlin]

Feats and features are two different things. Everything your class gives you is a feature or a proficiency. A feat is a specific type of feature.

[scenic zinc]

Does it require a bonus action for you to divine smite or not?

If no, then you're using the '14 rules.

[hot marlin]

On your character sheet, you have stats, proficiencies, equipment and features. Feat are indeed features but not all features are feats.

[lusty valley]

Yo @gaunt roost

[proper forum]

I think not

[scenic zinc]

You'd know if it did, lol

You're using '14

[proper forum]

Is that bad? Guys is that bad????

[gaunt roost]

in any case, it sounds like you are tanking just fine and your dm is happy with you tanking (or else the mobs would run past you). What specifics are you looking for in terms of character advancement? Cha will make you more longlasting, due to the increase of saves at higher levels, con will add a tiny bit of survivability but at your level "only" 8 more HP (which is less than the average of a single false life or upcasted Aid every morning)

[scenic zinc]

No?

[lusty valley]

@gaunt roost https://www.dndbeyond.com/sheet-pdfs/caysoncocke_157320238.pdf

I think this is better

[scenic zinc]

Charisma is even moreso the better option to increase instead of taking a feat in this case, as most feats before '24 don't provide an asi increase.

[proper forum]

I actually roll for hp every time because there is a chance that it will be more than average. Always choosing the average is boring.

[scenic zinc]

Succeeding on Saving throws will prevent more damage in the long run than having a higher con will provide as hp.

[fossil hollow]

and it also saves your team mates too

[proper forum]

Thanks guys Im definitely going for Charisma

[gaunt roost]

This is a much more powerful spread of attributes, yes. HP seem good, 5 skill profs seems all ok

[proper forum]

Ability score increases by 2 right? I forgot.

[gaunt roost]

technically by rolling statistically you will come up with less HP than average as average gets rounded up every level (so you will lose out on 0,5 HP every level) but yes, you can get more with a little luck

[gaunt roost]

A normal SAI will increase by +2. A Half-Feat (called so for less effects for attribute point) will increase by +1. A full Feat will not give you any increase, but usually a very powerful feature

[proper forum]

I mean with levelup

[scenic zinc]

Yes.

[hot marlin]

No. You do not increase your attributes every time you level up. Only when your class progression specifically says you do. If that is your question

[scenic zinc]

Though you can choose +1 to one and +1 to another.

[gaunt roost]

it is indeed much better, and your Personality, Ideals, Bonds and Flaws are much more streamlined to be a tragic character that is holding back years of trauma with adrenaline and not being too introspective

[lusty valley]

Yayyy

[scenic zinc]

-# not sure why you're not asking your dm these things.

[hot marlin]

Since standard array and point buy will both result in odd attributes it can often be vetter to go for two +1s rather than one +2. Obviously it is not a hard rule.

[woven flint]

I awaken, like a Cataclysm from the great beyond!!!

Hello, friends :>

[scenic zinc]

The character they have currently has an even value they're wanting to increase.

[fossil hollow]

cant wait for malaketh to meet the elemental cataclysm

[hot marlin]

Yeah not a hard rule.

[woven flint]

Episode 23:
Malaketh [REDACTED]ing DIES

[scenic zinc]

Hecking?

[gaunt roost]

heckling

[hot marlin]

Malaketh?...

[scenic zinc]

Malaketh dies due to vicious mockery. Gotcha.

[gaunt roost]

Haggling! They wer etrying to haggle down the price of the assassin

[hot marlin]

OK so... Is it more like "Asgard must fall" Malaketh or more like "O death, become my blade once more" Malaketh?

[woven flint]

Malaketh is my Harengon Bladesinger Wizard

I named him before I knew about the Malaketh from Elden Ring

[scenic zinc]

I assume it's their characters name.

Yep.

[gaunt roost]

"5k for ONE hit? Nonsense, I got like 5 adventurers that kill entire dungeons for less than 500g, there is no way you are worth that much" - Malaketh shortly before being stabbed

[hot marlin]

Yes but I was wondering which Malaketh inspired the name

[scenic zinc]

I knew of neither ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[hot marlin]

Eh, I did name a character Ansbach. A Hexblade who referred to his patron as "My lord"

[scenic zinc]

So I didn't even understand the question

[woven flint]

I don't think mine was inspired by any Malaketh, it's just his name lol

[gaunt roost]

Nice try, guy whose name is suspiciously close to the pronounciation of a certain Lich

[hot marlin]

"I am Ansbach of the Pureblood Knights. I stand with blood afire and blade aloft for the dignity of my lord"
This just goes so hard.

[wicked rampart]

How can i join someone compain? In dnd beyond?

[woven flint]

He's a very kind Harengon lad
He loves to talk during combat, even to his enemies lmao

[umbral girder]

Clearly it’s Thor the Darkworld

[umbral girder]

#find-a-game explains how to do so on this server!

[scenic zinc]

I created this name when I was 7 years old. I'm not sure that character existed yet.

[gaunt roost]

While I dont disagree that the general statement is great, I feel media has ruined "pureblood", as its mostly used as a purely racist term

[inner silo]

What do you think about an idea of a "Guild of Necromancers" which like tries to clear the necromancys name, set rules to what bodies necromancers can and can't use and enforces them, setting out necromancers from their guild to hunt other necromancers who break the set rules?

[fossil hollow]

i asked about it first session they played lol. no outright ties to death's best doggo lmao

[marble lion]

Just ignore media then

[scenic zinc]

Hmm. He did. I just didn't know he existed lol

[fossil hollow]

cant believe it took me months to realize

[marble lion]

As long as people know each other, they will realise youre not going 1940 mode

[scenic zinc]

-# it was racist well before "media" popularized showing it as such.

[gaunt roost]

According to wikis hes from 4th edition, which was released in 2007. Given that I do not know if you are 7 years old right now, but its entirely possible that you are given teh 18 years since then, you cannot fool me this easily!

[scenic zinc]

He first was introduced in '75

[fossil hollow]

its been 18 years since 2007...

[gaunt roost]

wait hes from 75? damn

[scenic zinc]

In the tomb of horrors module

[umbral girder]

Who we talking about? Acererak?

[woven flint]

You see, Malaketh was planned to be a sibling of my friends Harengon Valor Bard, Kelnan
I liked the idea of a repeating letter in the name, so I thought about it and then I said "Malaketh"
Technically, they are siblings, but not in the same campaign as PCs lmao

[umbral girder]

Oh yeah he is one of the oldest figures in D&D

[gaunt roost]

so you are obviously born in 68, as you heard from him in 75 to copy his name!

[umbral girder]

He has been around before Drizzt was in DnD

[twilit ore]

Hey can anyone please recomand me a good mobile app to keep trac about my characters infos?

[scenic zinc]

I'm not, lol

My parents were only 7 in '68

[umbral girder]

Acererak is like 1 year away from being as old as DnD

[fossil hollow]

damn, hes only 49?

no wonder he's crashing out

[umbral girder]

In our timeline

[gaunt roost]

also how come acererak is this low in popularity while Vecna gets to hog all the glory. Thats like 2 major liches, and only one got like 5 adventures named after them

[umbral girder]

Different worlds experience time differently in DnD after all

[hot marlin]

OK yes. Fun fact, in that context, the pureblood knights were founded by someone who was discriminated against because of his 'tainted blood' and use blood magic incantations linked to the goddess of fertility, who takes the form of an ocean of burning blood. It's just so metal

[fossil hollow]

accerack is low key and genuinely likes to troll people in his dungeons

[scenic zinc]

The dude intentionally dropped into demilichdom for tax avoidance reasons

[gaunt roost]

That is indeed very metal, I agree completly

[fossil hollow]

that lich is a shit poster if i ever saw one

[umbral girder]

Notably Acererak is also fully dead since 1975

The one we know now is a different dude

[fossil hollow]

oh right, its a clone or something

[umbral girder]

Simulcarum

[scenic zinc]

So... it's the same person

[fossil hollow]

close nough

[umbral girder]

Basically when Acererak died his Simulacrum made some deals to replace the old one

Wrong dude and spoiler for a certain recent book

[hot marlin]

This might explain Acererak's borderline insanity

[scenic zinc]

If B has the same memories as A, B is A

[gaunt roost]

Ah, sorry, was not aware that was a spoiler

[fossil hollow]

being a lich isnt enough?

[umbral girder]

So technically Acererak stopped being a Demilich since the 70s

[fossil hollow]

i feel like you need to be insane already to b a lich

[hot marlin]

Well... Are we our memories? Our bodies? Our convictions? The problem of identity has been debated since greek antiquity

[umbral girder]

Son of a Balor too

[fossil hollow]

we are not Theseus shipping accerak 😭

[umbral girder]

I’d be messed up too if I was raised by a Balor

[hot marlin]

In real life, a materialist would say that we are our bodies. But in D&D materialism is simply provably wrong.

[gaunt roost]

Technically not insane, but you need to abandon all empathy and morality, as you usually need to commit an act of "unspeakable evil" that we will not speak about here to produce a phylactery

[fossil hollow]

so.

sociopathic to the extreme

[marble lion]

Not insane though

[hot marlin]

Me... More of an existentialist. I believe identity is a story, a narrative. It only matters from within the confines of the story but has no real existence.

[scenic zinc]

I do suppose his current stat block does state he's an archlich.

[hot marlin]

In D&D though there is the question of the soul.

[scenic zinc]

In my personal opinion, we are our memories.

[woven flint]

Folks out here really acting like Lichdom is a SANE thing to want

[hot marlin]

OK sorry, reading philosophy was my mistake, I shouldn't make other people pay for it

[woven flint]

"Ah, yes, I want immortality at the Cost of millions of others lives!"

[scenic zinc]

It's why I find enchantment magic in dnd to be the most horrifying school of magic.

[gaunt roost]

I mean, if you want to get REAL technical, Liches are holding their own souls hostages. Their minds, which can exist far away from their soul, house the undead bodies that make a lich a lich, while the souls themselves are trapped in glorified farberge eggs

[vast pelican]

Hardly millions.

The whole sword coast only has a couple thousand people after all.

[umbral girder]

Meanwhile Acererak OG had his soul in a rotting Key

[deep spoke]

So does this server host games or will I have to look elsewhere

[umbral girder]

We do not host games here. #find-a-game is where people gather to make their own groups

[woven flint]

Regardless, mass murdering people for immortality isn't a normal thought process

[scenic zinc]

These are not the droids you're looking for 👋

[woven flint]

You also forget that liches have to CONSTANTLY feed on souls to maintain immortality/their forms.

[vast pelican]

Look, my collection of pastry recipes isn't finished, something has to give.

[umbral girder]

Fun fact that is a new detail about Liches added in 5e

[hot marlin]

All living things seek to preserve their life in a normal context. It is not unreasonable to believe that a sane person would take the option to preserve their life. Moreover, killing to feed it? We are conditioned to accept it. We eat meat. We may have grown up in societies where it was considered normal that our wealth and prosperity came from slavery, pillage and/or conquest.

[woven flint]

The Clone spell also exists.
Which most liches are powerful enough to cast.

[scenic zinc]

This is why I made the tax avoidance joke earlier. Demiliches don't have this issue.

[gaunt roost]

While I dont disagree from a realistic standpoint, so many people get murdered in a normal official dnd adventure that you must assume there are millions. Like Frost Giants "regularly" plunder the sword coast, leaving little survivors they dont take with them. I do not know what regular means in this context, but I assume its at least once to twice a year? An entire city wiped out every year would be bad for a population of thousands

[hot marlin]

In that sense, is lichdom truly unreasonable when it can be seen as a logical continuation of the values of many societies?

[woven flint]

Again

The Clone spell exists.

[vast pelican]

Most D&D settings seem pretty OK with powerful people killing less powerful people.

[reef moat]

yo guys so im not sure if this is the right spot to ask but might as well
im sure some of you heard about magic the noah... and even tho it's like 90% roleplay and its not like absolutely fun i tried to do something like that. Thing is that I do not have that many assets. anyhow. I did a session, (with assets drawn on MS paint, quality = yes/10) but it didnt really work out. like it was hilarious and all the first few 15 minutes but the players wanted each to do something else and I also didnt have all the assets I could have wanted and it died out after about an hour.
Can someone tell me what did I do wrong, and maybe another program except for ms paint to draw stuff? (I still want it to be crappy, like homemade, but maybe a more intuitive program or something idk.

[fossil hollow]

why is my god telling me to kill the lich then

[woven flint]

That's another much more reasonable way to attain immortality

[umbral girder]

Well notably the clone spell is also hard countered by anything that dabbles in souls

[hot marlin]

Well actually the clone spell did not exist when the concept of liches was invented. It would not be unreasonable to imagine it is a recent invention.

[woven flint]

I suppose...
But still.

[umbral girder]

Magic jar, Soul Cage, Devil nonsense

[hot marlin]

And yeah, Nealen is right. Clone is expensive and easily countered.

[fossil hollow]

i imagine this to be like paying off your car to only get a better deal

[umbral girder]

Also takes a lot of money every time

[woven flint]

Me, personally, I'd just accept the fact that I'll die one day

[marble lion]

Id like to be immortal

[umbral girder]

In terms of practically Lichdom is probably the best form of immortality in DnD besides becoming a god

[hot marlin]

I do not know your god's personal ethical and political opinions

[umbral girder]

Not the most ethical way of course

[fossil hollow]

illmater and helm and the last one of the triad

[scenic zinc]

It's the antithesis of human societal values, from a real history perspective. That's why it's frowned upon.

The idea for most societies is to build a world that'll be better for the next generation. Not to simply continue existing.

[vast pelican]

Chances are your god basically just thinks liches are uggos.

[lyric idol]

Immortality is for nerds (wizards/liches) I wanna go out with a BANG.

[normal junco]

you completely lost me at "magic the noah"

[woven flint]

Just become a Druid if you wanna live a bit longer smh...

[fossil hollow]

the urge to die holding the line or bleed out at the roots of a tree or on a snow covered staircase

[umbral girder]

Yeah but as a Druid a good stab still kills you

[vast pelican]

D&D is pretty fine with immortality or near-immortality as long as you still look pretty.

[umbral girder]

Lichdom makes the entire body replaceable

[scenic zinc]

And because all fantasy is created by humans on earth, real history is the only basis they have to draw on for inspiration ultimately, whether directly or indirectly.

[gaunt roost]

Im not entirely sure what you are asking. But for drawing dungeon maps yourself, Dungeon Alchemist and Dungeon Painter are on steam and reasonably priced if you want to make maps. Roll20 comes with plenty of free tokens and also a drawing tool if you just want to doodle. If your issue was that the players had no idea what you wanted them to do, thats more of a story structure thing, give them a path/quest to follow and you will see results

[reef moat]

so its a youtuber that does "game shows"
basically a much dumber dnd, in google slides. with only the core mechanics and its mostly 90% improv except for rolls, tons of rolls. roll for everything

[hot marlin]

I honestly do not think this is truly such a universal value. I think it is what all societies want to advertise is their value. But whose next generation? When we are conquering and pillaging we do it for ourselves, not for the next generation of the people who were victims to our behaviours.

[woven flint]

Yeah, but if I'm in my Druid Grove chilling, leaving everyone alone and minding my buisness, there's a chance nobodies gonna want to stab me

[fossil hollow]

if youre a moon druid, you also have near infinite hp

[umbral girder]

Max hp drain

[scenic zinc]

I explicitly didn't say universal. I said most.

[woven flint]

Old moon druid, maybe, new one, not so much

[fossil hollow]

dammit

[reef moat]

players kinda had an ideea what they were supposed to do... but they didn't do what they were supposed to do... and that made it even harder

[lyric idol]

I'd rather just play DND tbh. Only reason I watch DND content at all is memes and considering if I should get a book.

[hot marlin]

Lichdom in fact strikes me as the endpoint of many societies. As traditions are enshrined and prevented from evolving, cultural identity is prevented from evolving, history is ground up into stagnant nothingness.

[gaunt roost]

I think its fun that Mummies, which used to be the clerical equivalent of Liches, never got the same popularity, and thus never had their upkeep explained properly taht Im aware of. Technically, they are also immortal, and Mummy lords can also put their heart in a pot somewhere safe to reincarnate there.

[reef moat]

yeah well I also tried doing that... but hosting real dnd is much more complicated and when one isn't conviced they wanna play dnd you don't want them looking at the character sheet and not understanding a thing

[hot marlin]

And in that nothingness comes the lich. The perfect undead allegory for what all societies devolve into when they refuse to evolve

[scenic zinc]

An end, sure. Which means the death of that particular society.

[fossil hollow]

theres a reason why netheril is survived by their legacy and liches

[hot marlin]

The lich does not give way to the next generation. The lich is the evil patriarch. Saturn devouring his son, the Goya painting specifically.

[fossil hollow]

although karsus didnt help

[inner silo]

Playing a necromancer in a party with two paladins sounds like a good idea, right?

[umbral girder]

Larloch moment

[fossil hollow]

ask your party, not us

[woven flint]

I think it's because there's a weird barrier in which a Mummy Lord can really be fitting for a campaign whereas a Lich can be anywhere

[umbral girder]

Ask your group

[scenic zinc]

Which makes it the antithesis of most human value systems. Just because one society died out doesn't mean all did.

[woven flint]

Mummification most likely isn't a popular thing in most areas of the forgotten realms

[inner silo]

I asked my dm about it, they were more concerned with using unearthed arcana stuff, though as i understand it's pretty usable

[gaunt roost]

First of all, players are a bag of cats. They will never automatically "do the right thing" unless you have like 2 paladins in the group. Secondly, give incentives for the first mission. To get the group together, offer them pay and favours. Once the party comes together as a group, it gets much easier to handle, but the beginning can be quite difficutl

[hot marlin]

But Saturn devouring his son is such a great motif (and the best painting ever made) because it is a universal fear. Rather than accept the world to grow beyond him, the patriarch devours and destroys the next generation to keep hold of his power. And I truly think most societies are built on the hidden value of power for us, not them.

[marble lion]

Ask the players tbh

[fossil hollow]

on the topic of mummies, arent cold areas the best place for them to be

since its hard to get heat there

[hot marlin]

So no I do not see the lich as an antithesis. I see the lich as the truth taken to its conclusion

[reef moat]

I also have a player that inspired their oc from some cartoon or something like that and their character is 90% homebrew and does 100 things at the same time. gambling inspired...

[scenic zinc]

I think the idea behind that motif is rather the opposite. It's a rejection of the hoarding of power.

[fresh epoch]

Sorry, I tried to scroll up but is the idea that seeking personal immortality is the antithesis of most human value systems? I would have to disagree with that. In fact i think it;s at the heart of many dominant value systems.

[reef moat]

but It's extremely bloated and it wouldnt work

[fossil hollow]

magic noah works because theres no rules at all. its all arbitrary

and hes just that funny and good

[gaunt roost]

See the thing is that Mummies in DnD Lore arent egyptian whatseover. Mummies are just another form of intelligent undead, different means but still just some dude that tried to cheat death intentionally. In context of dnd, they dont have a cultural setting that they fit in, because they are just another way to immortality, but maybe its the prejudice that they should be cultural that stops people?

[fossil hollow]

nothing against you btw, not making a comment on you

[hot marlin]

Yes. Saturn is a monster. But I think the point is that it is a world of Saturns.

[inner silo]

Alrighty

[reef moat]

yeah no. holy shit i couldnt even understand how one could get offended on that comment lol.
eh anyway I guess it's just a skill issue

[fossil hollow]

always trying to be safe, hard to read tone and intention via text

anyway, im off to finish vaccuming then making a mummy lair in the cold

[reef moat]

yeah I get you. I also got banned from a couple of servers just because the admin got into arguing with me and I made them argue with themselves and they lost, ovbi.... and I got banned after.
at least I won the battle, even tho i lost the war

[scenic zinc]

Funny enough, the history behind aasimar is that they're actually real humans from actual earth that are from actual Egypt that were given their powers from the real Egyptian gods that Ao pulled into Toril to help save those Egyptians from wizards who had stolen them from earth.

[hot marlin]

So liches for me are just any ordinary king or queen or duke or whatever form of head of state you can think of. When given the opportunity

[scenic zinc]

-# off with their heads

And destroy the soul jar too.

[hot marlin]

Well except the Cincinati of the world.

[gaunt roost]

I think the main difference between mummy and lich creation is that the lich does it all on its own and the mummy requries people to prep the dead body for the ritual? So Liches are more like loners and the mummies are cult leaders?

[woven flint]

I didn't specify Egyptian though.

I specified that there's very little settings in which a mummy actually fits a campaign.

[gaunt roost]

No, but the barrier you were talking about seemed like a cultural barrier to me. Sorry if I read that wrong

[hot marlin]

The mummy is also cleric-coded while the lich is wizard-coded. And mummies can be inflicted it by others without consent

[gaunt roost]

yeah I did mention that earlier that mummys are the cleric-equivalent of a lich, especially mummy lords that have jars with their hearts in place of phylacteries

[scenic zinc]

Any cursed corpse is good enough to be described as a mummy imo

[woven flint]

No, I specifically spoke about the fact that mummification probably isn't a wide spread in the realms as Lichdom is

[hot marlin]

Well, mundane mummification probably is a lot more widespread

[fossil hollow]

netherese seemed to like mummification

[woven flint]

Yeah!
But mummy lords probably not so much lol

[marble lion]

"Mummy" means mummified. You cant just ignore that

[woven flint]

I WANT to see a campaign where a Mummy Lord, Lich and Vampire team up to cause mayhem, but I feel that'd be a little too silly idk

[fossil hollow]

:)

[scenic zinc]

-# I'll say it just because someone has to... it depends on the campaign.

[marble lion]

Otherwise its just a zombie or revenant or one of the other 100 undead types

[woven flint]

A Mummy Lord and a Lich teaming up seems a bit more realistic to me idk

[fossil hollow]

just add a skeleton lord, and death knight

[scenic zinc]

The definition of what mummification exactly is is entirely dependent on the given culture.

[gaunt roost]

I mean if you want to get technical there are very little liches around, so calling it wide spread would be an overstatement. I guess though that its easier for a single level 12+ wizard to reach lichdom by sacrificing and consuming the souls of a 300 head community than a level 12+ cleric of an evil deity to find 5 followers that put them in expensive bandages after their death?

[hot marlin]

Add a flesh golem and it's called The Monster Squad.

[glass granite]

Actually, I’m doing something mildly similar. Except it’s the Undead Horde (lich), Vampire King, Beast Monarch (placeholder name) and a growing Mummy army (technically a subdivision of the undead horde). They’re all teaming up

[hot marlin]

Eighties movie. Pretty bad save for one very bold scene

[fossil hollow]

Death Knight = Paladin
Lich = Wizard
Mummy Lord = Cleric
Vampire = Bard/Rogue
Skeleton Lord = Sorceror

[worthy prism]

So quick question are they not doing the advent calender this year?

[woven flint]

Mummy Lord, Lich, Death Knight and Skeleton Lord

Got a Cleric, Wizard, Paladin and Sorcerer (?)

[hot marlin]

Well some vampires are also wizards. Or fighters

[fossil hollow]

thats true

[hot marlin]

Vampires should really be excluded. Vampirism is forced upon someone by another vampire. It can happen to anyone

[fossil hollow]

Kas is 100% a champion fighter

[gaunt roost]

The baseline of "mummification" is literally just "preserveration of a dead human by chemicals, extreme cold, very low humidy or lack of air" so any body you leave out in permafrost is technically a mummy

[fossil hollow]

... ice mummies

[scenic zinc]

Not sure why the mummy lord is being equated only to a cleric

[hot marlin]

Yes. Many were found. In Nepal and in South America

[fossil hollow]

it has the cleric tag

[marble lion]

My mummy char is a paladin

[scenic zinc]

The dictionary is not prescriptive of definitions.

[fossil hollow]

quick, ideas for dungeon

[scenic zinc]

It's common descriptions, which change over time.

Which is why I said that it depends on the culture.

[gaunt roost]

It doesnt need to be, but usually mummies happen by choice, as in someone took the time to preserve you, hence you had some fanatics that want your body to persevere, hence someone thought you were important, hence they valued you highly, like a saint, hence its a sanctioned rite that cults/religions might want to adapt

[woven flint]

It has Cleric spells as well lol

[fossil hollow]

we also have frozen mummies you find in like, mountains

[scenic zinc]

Paladins have plenty of cleric spells too.

[gaunt roost]

its a flip flop argument about how liches need noone but mummies needed someone to put their body out

[fossil hollow]

in any case, the 2014 mummy lord had cleric spells prepared, and the 2024 one has the cleric tag after its creature type

[woven flint]

Yes..
But Death Knight fits more Paladin Undead than mummy.

[gaunt roost]

as evil wizards usually roast their minions with fireballs, clerical cult leaders have plenty of fanatics under their control

[scenic zinc]

That said, monsters aren't restricted by pc class options.

[woven flint]

While that is true, it's just a comparison

[gaunt roost]

Death knights are however a powerful category on their own, as much as they fit more

[fossil hollow]

doesnt change theyre explicitly coded to be clerics

[scenic zinc]

They're whatever fits that given character.

[scenic zinc]

eh

[woven flint]

If a monster has the Cleric tag, it's most likely to be a Cleric tbh

[gaunt roost]

it is true, mummy (lords) have the cleric tags, they are undead clerics (on average, specifics may vary) as the equivalent to a lich, which are undead wizards (on average, sorcerers and bards also could qualify)

[woven flint]

They share more spells with Clerics than they do with Paladins as well.

[fossil hollow]

also, 2014 death knights have 19th level paladin spellcasting

[scenic zinc]

I guess the book is kinda saying that's the default flavor then. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

Doesn't really matter to much to me.

[gaunt roost]

my original point stands about it being weird to me that despite there being wayyyy more cults out there than just evil loner wizards with too much money, there hasnt been a single noteworthy mummy in all these decades. Last mummy I remember running was in eberron, which was a retired history teacher

[woven flint]

Even though Clerics and Paladins share spells, there's a massive amount of Cleric spells a Paladin doesn't have and a few spells on a Paladins list a Cleric doesn't have
And if you look at the design of a mummy lord, it's got NO Paladin specific spells.
And is more of a full-caster enemy type with SOME melee included.

[scenic zinc]

#dnd-discussion message

[woven flint]

I'm aware.

[scenic zinc]

Monsters have whatever you need them to have

[glass granite]

Hi aware, I’m Nugget

[woven flint]

Sometimes people will argue ad-infinum about something although it specifically specifies that it IS something, but that's okay

[gaunt roost]

Nonsense, I will argue about something that ISNT something ad-infinitum!

[woven flint]

No. You're uh...
Glonkus

[fossil hollow]

when is name change

[scenic zinc]

I already admitted the book stated that that's the default flavor. I'm not, and never was, arguing that point.

[glass granite]

December 17th

[fossil hollow]

sweet

[scenic zinc]

I'm saying they aren't restricted to being that.

[fossil hollow]

we never said they were restricted?

[glass granite]

Unfortunately, that lost the vote

[woven flint]

Combine the Death Knight and Mummy Lord next time you run a campaign into a statblock and tell me how it destroys the party though, okay? 👀

Is that TOO cruel?

[fossil hollow]

i have an idea for Lord Soth now

[gaunt roost]

anyways, points stand. Mummies arent out of place in most settings that have any kind of dead preservation customs (and evil cultists which, lets be honest, are more common than goblins). Yet they show up less than half the time that liches do, and if they are written into adventures, there is rarely any reason for them (like the magic beans just randomly growing one)

[scenic zinc]

I've thrown significantly worse at my parties.

[fossil hollow]

dont you love this one eldritch wendigo creature

[gaunt roost]

Depends. Does the party ask for a level up after every session? Then no

[scenic zinc]

I do love the Caprathorn.

[fossil hollow]

took a glance, its naaaaasty

[snow zephyr]

There's also more than one type of naturally occuring mummy

An ancient black dragon that has bog mummies as security isn't beyond the pale

[woven flint]

I find it hilarious!

Plants magic beans

Oooh boy! I wonder what'll-

Huge Mummy Lair appears out of nowhere

What the -

"What are they putting in these beans?!"

[snow zephyr]

"What? Do you think you're gonna magically grow some tourist attraction in the middle of nowhere?"

[glass granite]

Nom
Beanz

[scenic zinc]

I think I'll be using the '24 version in my next Etharis Campaign session.

[woven flint]

"Well, it JUST happened, bub! I dunno what to tell you..."

[marble lion]

Yum i just bought a box of canned corpses on sale from Villenium

[woven flint]

Boy oh boy, I can't wait to open my
"Grow your own Mummy kit!"

[scenic zinc]

Right after I throw the mcdm ancient white dragon at them.

[marble lion]

The kids would love Ooze Factory sets

[woven flint]

They also have one for Liches and Skeleton Lords, but they're working on the Grow your own Vampire

[woven flint]

I'd fear that the ooze would consume my children then my house 😔

[glass granite]

Have they done one for Tokii’s yet? I want to throw the Lord Of Goofy into my world and see how much pandemonium they can cause.

[gaunt roost]

God that reminds me of the dm that wanted to run a "Fun death encounter", gave us level 11 characters and said we will be up against a green dragon. Long story short, someone cast heroes feast, old version, and we were immune to poison, and the dragon died within 3 turns being very confused

[woven flint]

They can't.
Nothing can replicate me well enough, sadly 😔

[glass granite]

Unfortunate…

There truly is no equal

[woven flint]

Please... just don't let them cast Jack Black as me in my movie!!!!

[scenic zinc]

Someone watched cr campaign 1

And that dm didn't

[gaunt roost]

They had a campaign 1? In any case I was fully expecting some shenanigans of the dragon but it just charged the melees after breath failed, and then died when we sealed off exits so it couldnt run, full "We are not trapped in here with you" style

[scenic zinc]

Vox Machina was the name of the group from campaign 1.

[woven flint]

You know, Green Dragons are known for their Cunning.
I'm surprised it didn't gave a back up idea for fighting creatures immune to poison

[gaunt roost]

ah, Vox Machina I mostly know starting from their show with the blue dragon

[umbral girder]

You get to use the Wish spell in you current campaign, right now only, what are you wishing for?

[scenic zinc]

Because '14 dragons are default brute statblocks unfortunately. Unless you homebrew.

[gaunt roost]

More wishes

(my character isnt terribly smart)

[glass granite]

I wish to burn the world tree

[umbral girder]

Clearly you use it to bring back Krillin /jk

[woven flint]

One of my party members to get uncursed, theyre cursed in a way that I don't think can be remove cursed

[umbral girder]

“Already did that with 4e, wish granted preemptively”

[gaunt roost]

Stop burning the world tree, Ratatoskr has to put out fires like every three hours, he needs his beauty sleep

[glass granite]

I see…
Do I get my wish back?

[umbral girder]

Imagine if it was like the Gender change magic item where it was only a 50% chance of working

[scenic zinc]

Which campaign? And am I a player or the dm?

I play in 3 campaigns and dm 5.

[gaunt roost]

Never tell your players if a chance based item is actually a chance based item. Only say "It doesnt seem to work for you. The reason isnt immediatly clear" and let them come up with better reasoning than you ever could

[gaunt roost]

obviously player. As a DM you get to use all the wish spells you want

[umbral girder]

Your choice

[gaunt roost]

"I will have this dryad conjure a carriage out of a hazelnut. Can dryards do that? Dont care, this one can"

[umbral girder]

It’s a hypothetical after all

[woven flint]

What?! I wanna give my party the patented Wand of Gambling, though!

LET'S GO GAMBLING!!!

[glass granite]

Oh!!!! Can I join?

[gaunt roost]

It will be much, much funnier if you roll for it in secret, and some guy can get it to work like 80% of the time, another cannot at all, and the players decide the wand is sexist/only works on odd numbered days/can only be activated by the dude with the most trauma

[woven flint]

You're not on the list!

[glass granite]

No, I’m Nugget! Never heard of a fella named Not On The List!

[umbral girder]

Ah dang it

[woven flint]

I have an idea for a Wand of Gambling item, but it specifically works for Nat 1s and Nat 20s where you can "Go all in!"
But I dunno what it entails yet

[scenic zinc]

Dragonlance game: i wish for my memory back (this would be horrifying for this character lol)
Friday game: get rid of my cursed blood! (change me back into an elf instead of being a hexblood)
Saturday game: make me an inch taller (he's current 2'11")

[umbral girder]

Imagine if the lost memory was “you remember saying ‘you too’ to a waiter who said ‘enjoy your food!’” /jk

[gaunt roost]

...my warforged paladin that lost his entire squad on the day of mourning would probably wish for his friends back, but I believe not even wish can bring back those that were lost in cyre, soooo

[scenic zinc]

at some point, that person will eat. Hopefully. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[umbral girder]

The humble revenant waiter /jk

[fossil hollow]

im adding that to dragonlance /hj

[jagged cedar]

Hello 👋

[glass granite]

Gooooood morning afternoon evening, Wahzzup!

[scenic zinc]

What in the world does hj mean?

[fossil hollow]

half joking

[glass granite]

Half joking, I believe

[gaunt roost]

imagine a ghoul/ghast waiter that took the job entirely based on the premise that if someone says "thanks you too" tehy are allowed to eat that person, who is glad that they avoided the awkward situation by being consumed by undead

[jagged cedar]

Anyone got a game I could join am new and whould like to learn

[scenic zinc]

I never would have guessed that.

[fossil hollow]

#find-a-game

[umbral girder]

Clearly it’s Hideo KoJima

[scenic zinc]

Not in 1000 years.

[fossil hollow]

it wasnt intuitive when i first saw it too

[woven flint]

My Shifter Twilight Cleric got separated from his brother on the Attack on Cyre, he doesn't even know if he's still alive, he could wish for his brother to be with him, but I think he'd just wish for his brother's constant safety

[rare quarry]

i had a question as i'm vreating a character for a campaign it'll be my first time probably playing a shade/dragon born and i was wondering does the feat elemental affinity applies to the dragon born weapon breath ?

[woven flint]

Nope, alas, it only applies to spells

[rare quarry]

thanks a a lot

[meager fractal]

Did you know that sharks are older than trees?

[frail wasp]

what

[bronze wave]

I read it once on a did you know post

It kinda makes sense

[scenic zinc]

I've a feeling that's untrue.

[fossil hollow]

also #non-dnd-topics

[rough basalt]

It's not, funny enough

Trees didn't start appearing till after sea life did.

[scenic zinc]

Because whatever logic is being used to arrive at this is ignoring applying that same logic for trees.

[fossil hollow]

tbf, we didnt have actual hardwood trees til after the permian iirc

it was essentially tall shrubs

[rough basalt]

Yeah Sharks existed on earth for 100 million years before true trees did

[cerulean monolith]

Did you know ogres are older than Mystra?

[rough basalt]

Even just the first shrubs were after Sharks appeared

[fossil hollow]

yea? the giant gods' infidelity goes back before the 1000 year war iirc

[marble lion]

live in a cave where another gas seeps out of cracks in the floor that reacts violently with the poison gas of the dragons breath, leading to massive explosions for fire or bludgeon damage

[scenic zinc]

sounds off to me, and it feels like the same logic isn't being applied evenly ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[marble lion]

and ofc green dragons are into intrigue so give the poor thing some allies

[rough basalt]

I just came in so idk what's going on

But yeah Earth Sharks are older than Earth Trees

[hot marlin]

Please. I have played characters who are older than Mystra

[scenic zinc]

-# obligatory "which mystra"

[cerulean monolith]

What about fire sharks?

[rough basalt]

Earth eradicated the other three tribes of Sharks unfortunately

[cerulean monolith]

Ah, darn

[fickle heart]

Sharks being older than trees definitely sounds off, but is more about the fact that life on land was sooooooooo much slower to evolve than in water. Definitely an interesting tidbit, though.

[marble lion]

what logic. if sharks developed before trees, where is the hangup?
sharks 450million years ago
trees 390 million years ago
roughly

that is assuming the scientific finds are correct

[fossil hollow]

first organisms didnt develop the ability to breath air til much later

[marble lion]

makes sense to me

if water had life first, ofc things in the water have an early start

and sharks are famous for being very damn old

[scenic zinc]

My point is that the predecessors to todays sharks are being equated to today's sharks, but the predecessors to todays trees seem to not be being considered.

[fossil hollow]

sharks barely changed since their inception

[scarlet plume]

Im playing what is probably the most dysfunctional campaign ever
About 50 illegal moves in one turn

[rough basalt]

Ye Sharks didn't really need to change

[fossil hollow]

same as crocodiles largely staying the same since dinos

[rough basalt]

There was always life to eat even after some of that life became land life

[fossil hollow]

all that changed was their size cap

[rough basalt]

Ye they got some size nerfs from the patches over the years

[glad arch]

If discussing it doesnt work quitting is always an option, even if its not a feel good one

[scenic zinc]

Like... wouldn't algae or seaweed count as a predecessor to trees?

[marble lion]

that is such a gross misrepresentation

can you look up cladoselache and tell me its as alike to modern sharks as algae is to trees please?

[glad arch]

Why tf are we talking about sharks and trees here

[marble lion]

the thing looks like it could exist in modern times. its literally just a shark

[fossil hollow]

look, my youtube feed is filled with palaentology shit

i never grew out of my dino phase

[cerulean monolith]

The first modern shark (selachii) appeared around 200 million years ago. The first shark-like creature appeared between 419-359 million years ago at least, but they could be as old as 458-444 million years. Trees evolved around 400 million years ago, and tree is such a narrow classification it is impossible to expand it out to find a “tree-like ancestor”

[marble lion]

well you see im making a feywild adventure with airsharks in the fey woods

[scenic zinc]

And yet it's not. Which is the point

[marble lion]

it is

have you looked it up?`and in fact its the first thing considered a true shark, not even just shark

they specifically highlight the "true shark" part so there were more older things that were less "true sharky" but still shark like

[fickle heart]

To be fair, this basically allows reframing the entire question to "did plants or animals come first?", which is a far cry from the actual point being made by "sharks are older than trees". A line has to be drawn somewhere, and I think we'd all agree that scientific experts are more qualified to draw that line than laypeople.

[marble lion]

i think laypeople can draw it for sake of casual talks. just use common sense

[rough basalt]

The Megaladon meta was cool but the devs realized it needed to end for balance reasons

[marble lion]

algae doesnt look like trees or behave like trees

[scenic zinc]

This sounds much closer to real than what was said earlier.

[marble lion]

this thing looks like a shark and behaves like a shark because it is a shark

[marble lion]

can you google cladoselache and see for yourself?

[fickle heart]

I'm more referring to the idea that laypeople can more reasonably be assumed to be drawing inconsistent lines as opposed to said professionals.

[marble lion]

definitely true

[cerulean monolith]

I will say, Haise is wrong because modern sharks are unequivocally younger than trees. Selachii are 100% younger than trees. But, there are early species that, while technically not sharks, meet the specifications we use to define a shark. Those are at least contemporary to the first trees, and possibly older than trees

[marble lion]

when did i say that modern sharks are older than trees?

i never said modern please sam. i said the first "true shark"

[cerulean monolith]

^

[marble lion]

that does not mean modern

i will refer you to also google cladoselache and see for yourself

[scenic zinc]

I agree that that's what my question boils down to. And I think that plants come before animals.

[marble lion]

that was not at all the question though

[fossil hollow]

that was not the starting point though

it was specifically sharks and trees

[cerulean monolith]

A true shark would be selachii. The first selachii is younger than the first tree by over 100 million years. There is no other way to categorize shark besides being part of that division, or having the list of qualities that sharks have

[hot marlin]

You seem to believe that evolution is a process of... Succession, for lack of a better term. It is not. Algae and seaweeds still exist. The term we use have definitions. A tree is a woody plant having one erect perennial stem (trunk) at least three inches in diameter at a point 4-1/2 feet above the ground, a definitely formed crown of foliage, and a mature height of at least 13 feet. Anything that corresponds to this is a tree. Sharks are a group of elasmobranch cartilaginous fishes characterized by a ribless endoskeleton, dermal denticles, five to seven gill slits on each side, and pectoral fins that are not fused to the head. Anything that corresponds to that definition is a shark. There have been sharks before there were trees

[marble lion]

i will now look at pictures of megalodon and enjoy

[scenic zinc]

The starting point is "sharks older than trees".

Which if you look at it with a critical enough thought process, you have to apply the same logic to both things. Either you're talking about modernity only, or you need to go back in time to each things respective beginning.

[fickle heart]

That is not how that works, no.

EDIT: To elaborate, this proposes that we cannot draw a line somewhere in the middle based on classifications used, when we very well can. If we can't, then we lack the ability to define anything reasonably based on subclassifications.

[marble lion]

a critical thought process would realise algae isnt the same as a tree

[hot marlin]

Well technically any individual shark may be younger or older than any individual tree. But that is not what is talked about

[cerulean monolith]

You don’t have to use ancestors to get to the older-than-tree shark. You do to get to the older-than-shark tree

[fossil hollow]

again, i literally obsess and basically autistic for palentology, we had true sharks before true trees

[cerulean monolith]

Autistic is a strange verb to use here (wrong reply)

[hot marlin]

Language is usage. If Ti can make it work it works.

[marble lion]

its a true shark. its older than trees.

[scenic zinc]

-# if we don't move to #non-dnd-topics we're gunna get yelled at

[fossil hollow]

i still need to get myself checked, but ive had many say basically yeah

[hot marlin]

Oh yeah. How did this even start?

[rough basalt]

Fun fact

[marble lion]

i have been checked and dont have it yet people keep asking or saying "Basically yeah"

[fossil hollow]

random comment literally saying did you know sharks are older than trees

[marble lion]

which is true

[hot marlin]

And then ogres and Mystra?

[rough basalt]

Was a joke about it I think

[fossil hollow]

i think a joke to get it back to dnd

[marble lion]

is mystra older or younger than cyric?

[cerulean monolith]

Younger

[scenic zinc]

In a failed attempt to get us back on topic.

[scenic zinc]

Yes.

[marble lion]

indeed

[hot marlin]

Well, fun fact: If you are playing an adult elf, not only may you be older than Mystra, but your parents are definitely older

[cerulean monolith]

Well, current Mystra is. Old Mystra may or may not be

[marble lion]

why would your parents be younger?

[fossil hollow]

i know one of those mystra shites got killed by cyric

[scenic zinc]

Adult by whose definition? Culturally or physically?

[marble lion]

so we stan cyric is that what youre saying?

[hot marlin]

Because my brain does not work

[cerulean monolith]

The curse of Elfamin Button, obv

[hot marlin]

Cultural.

[marble lion]

doesnt matter anyway, any elf is older than mystra

[fossil hollow]

... normally no, but i do like it when she dies

[marble lion]

then again, is mystra an elf right now?

[rough basalt]

Ye Midnight did, but she got better

[hot marlin]

The second Mystra, born Midnight, was a human woman around the same age as Cyric. Slightly younger but not by much.

[fossil hollow]

human

[scenic zinc]

Which culture? Not all elves share the same thought on this.

[hot marlin]

Then, eventually, Cyric killed her

[marble lion]

then all elves are older than mystra i guess

[hot marlin]

Fine, let's go with high forest elves who consider social adulthood to start at a century, after the past lives visions are over

[marble lion]

wait so if dark elves are excluded from the rebirth thing but still have children
do other elves also have children that are basically "new" elves?

[rough basalt]

Cause 1st Mystra (Mystryl) died to Karsus, then a Mystra died trying to "I wanna see the manager!" Her way back into heaven during the time of troubles

[scenic zinc]

Not the ones who aren't part of the seldarine. Only they get to come back, iirc.

[marble lion]

how does that work

[fossil hollow]

yes

[rough basalt]

Cause helm said "I am the manager" and fatally backhanded her

[marble lion]

oh i know maybe it just resets the material if you dont get reborn

[scenic zinc]

'Cause ao told him to

[hot marlin]

The dark elf thing is a mystery. Excluding them, I think the official lore is there are no new elven souls. All elves are the same souls that have been reincarnating since separating from Corellon

[marble lion]

it still uses the same pool but doesnt let you stay yourself

[rough basalt]

Ao the goat for making Helm the manager

[marble lion]

"i wanna speak to the manager"
"no"

[scenic zinc]

There's the dark seldarine, which lolth is the head of, I believe

[rough basalt]

When you have a workplace like Celestia, you need a man who'll kill employees for stepping out of line.

Not someone like Tyr that would've thrown her in timeout.

[hot marlin]

It is possible that drow souls are not new and Lolth or something else blocks their past memories. It is also possible that Lolth is capable of creating new souls, something that perhaps the other gods can't or won't do

[fossil hollow]

ugh, why is it so hard to find a frozen crypt map

[coarse ravine]

I had a krampus map years ago but thats been long gone.

[undone fable]

hi there. hows dnd

[scenic zinc]

The trance is actually a process through which elves connected to the seldarine remember their past lives for their first century.

That's the cultural reason they're not adults until then, because they're not their whole selves until then.

[hot marlin]

Because the undead are better at heat management than the living

[fossil hollow]

youd think they wouldnt bother

[undone fable]

undead is interesting. are there more unded like races/species? all i know is hexblood, reborn, and dhampir

[hot marlin]

They don't need the heat. They need a hobby

[fossil hollow]

and their hobby would be worship

[glass granite]

I usually reflavour a warforged for some undead

[rough basalt]

When do you need it by?

[scenic zinc]

Hexblood isn't undead themed

[rough basalt]

I'm currently waiting on a delivery so I could throw one together for you real quick

[scenic zinc]

They're more like a "cursed person" option

[hot marlin]

And curses are statistically more likely to originate from feys than from undead

There was a study about it published in the Waterdeep journal of Esoteric research

[scenic zinc]

Given they're primarily written as cursed by a hag, yep, lol

[hot marlin]

That same study illustrated a market competition between hags and devils. Very interesting. Turns out, unless Mammon changes business model, three layers of hell are heading towards a recession.

Speculation on souls is a big problem. Short-selling Phaerim souls basically bankrupted multiple pit fiends

[scenic zinc]

Sounds like 2007/2008 to me

[hot marlin]

They expected the Phaerim to be genocided, so they borrowed Phaerim souls with the promise to give them back in a year, sold them, made a big buck. When the Netherese started massacring the Phaerim they expected a huge influx of Phaerim souls to crash the price, allowing them to buy them back at a fraction of what they sold. What they did not expect is that Phaerims, even the lawfulest and evilest of them, actually were in large amounts claimed by an obscure god of magic who, reinforced by this influx of souls, got strong enough to grab a lot of other Phaerim souls. So the price actually skyrocketed

(This is all just nonsense. But I like to portray the Nine Hells as evil Wall Street)

[fickle ridge]

How can I ragebait my DM as a druid?

[fossil hollow]

dont

[hot marlin]

You should not.

[marble lion]

you have alerted the horde

[hushed mason]

Why would you want to do that?

[regal gulch]

Ok, hypothetically, if a player definitely not me now has a live intellect devourer in a jar, what do I do with it?

[fossil hollow]

keep it there

[hot marlin]

Kill it

[scenic zinc]

-# they're ragebaiting this channel with their question

[marble lion]

use it to intimidate shopkeepers to gift you items

there will be no consequences whatsoever im sure

[hot marlin]

Kill the shopkeepers too. If the items are alive, kill them too.

[hushed mason]

That sounds like a great way to get in trouble with local law enforcement.

[regal gulch]

I'm not, it was an accident and now I have one... I am a life cleric though so I don't wanna violate my "oath"

[marble lion]

threaten the local law enforcement

make them give you their gear too

[regal gulch]

I also perchance...

Have the deck of many things.

[hot marlin]

I guess you could find some eccentric who might want to buy it for their menagerie

[marble lion]

oh bad news then

the intellect devourer wont work on your DM because considering he gave you both of those, there clearly is no intellect

[hot marlin]

Throw it in the nearest trash can

[hushed mason]

One should assume that a shopkeeper has the means of protecting themselves from simple robbery.

[marble lion]

im joking but also calling an intellect devourer a "simple robbery" is insane

[regal gulch]

My mission is to bring them to my gods magic vault.

[marble lion]

those things can just oneshot you and the dumber you are the harder it is to save against that iirc

unless the shopkeeper is a wizard, which definitely exists ofc, they will choose to resist a robbery that involves a thing that can teleport into their brain in a single action when having pretty bad chances of saving iirc

[scenic zinc]

Draw 10 cards.

[regal gulch]

The brain has a name jsut so you know!

Its Jerald.

[hushed mason]

My character had to draw eight after randomly activating the deck.

[scenic zinc]

You'll either get a lot of cool things or won't be around anymore to deal with the consequences.

[sharp merlin]

I watched the latest game theory video with Tom, and it does a pretty good job explaining two different styles of story telling and by extension dungeon master styles

would recommend if you guys are interested

[scenic zinc]

That's... not how that works usually, but okay.

[marble lion]

have jerald draw the cards

[marble kettle]

hello!

[marble lion]

whenever you have 2 stupid things in dnd, you should combine them into one

[regal gulch]

Someone leveled up, another person asked the univers a question, the third used their imp (which was a portal to their patrons vault of magic items) to draw a card essentially bankrupting them before the warlock drew a card and dissappeared.

[marble lion]

the growth is exponential

what was the universes question? also wow you already drew?

[glass granite]

Goooooood morning afternoon evening!

[fallen cradle]

Yooo

[regal gulch]

I watched it all happen, so now the cleric needs to be "responsible" so I put the deck in the pickle jar with Jerald.

[scenic zinc]

Hello Truman.

[raw ocean]

If your D&D character got transferred to the real world, what type of job would they get?

[scenic zinc]

Unemployed

[regal gulch]

The barbarian got that one. for context, there was a creature from the astral plane made of eyes, tenticals, grey goop, and ancient dwarf corpses. Lovecraft stuff. So he asked the universe: "How do we kill this thing?"

I also have a gun, preformed a labotomy, and did an exorcism with a water elemental.

[valid geyser]

Piracy is a job in a sense

[fossil hollow]

florist

[regal gulch]

On a side note, what class in your opinion is the best at lvl 20

[glass granite]

Best as in strongest or best as in my fav

[marble lion]

all of my characters are maladjusted violent individuals and i dont really know if they would hold any job

[regal gulch]

yes 😄

[glass granite]

Monk

[marble lion]

or settle for anything that doesnt take a lot of luck skill and papers to achieve

which means coming out of nowhere, no records or anything, might make that impossible

actually my most violent one probably could, in the military, because he does follow orders

[glad arch]

Some sort of security guard id imagine

[marble lion]

and i suppose any healer could easily become a medical worker or something alike

[glad arch]

Honestly, with how powerfull healing is when you think about it in dnd this is the best option

[marble lion]

i just realised 6/7 characters i ever made had healing i think so im set

[glad arch]

5th level cleric bringing a man back from his heart attack like its nothing

[marble lion]

the humble defibrilator

[glass granite]

How much would 200gp be?

In irl currency

[marble lion]

probably like 20000

[marble kettle]

.....say that agian.....

[marble lion]

i just realised that 6/7 characters i ever made had healing i think so im set

[glad arch]

Lay on hands would be goated, able to cure several diseases every day

[fossil hollow]

power word kill

[marble kettle]

heh. great numbers, man!

[glad arch]

I use the help action, idc if it doesnt do anything i wanna help

[glass granite]

I second

[marble lion]

I've only now come to realise that ouf of my seven characters, only one of them possessed no means of healing another person.

[glass granite]

Not even healers kit?

[glad arch]

I mean some option for healing is always nice

[marble lion]

As the question refers to a character moved to our world, the use of items is irrelevant.

I'm sorry my martial didn't have spell casting.

[glad arch]

How dare you /j

[marble lion]

Make that two of eight. I forgot about my rogue.

[glad arch]

My last character a wild magic sorcerer would be very unemployable

Accidently casts fireball in the middle of the office

[marble lion]

He could just not cast spells.

[glad arch]

Yeh but then hes just some dude

[marble lion]

The table only triggers when casting.

[lusty valley]

Can someone join a call real quick my friend needs help with a paladin build

[strange python]

Question regarding The Book of Many Things' "Cartomancer" feat. It states the following:

• Hidden Ace. When you finish a long rest, you can choose one spell from your class’s spell list and imbue that spell into a card. The chosen spell must have a casting time of 1 action, and it must be a level for which you have spell slots. The card remains imbued with this spell for 8 hours. While the card is imbued with the spell, you can use a bonus action to flourish the card and cast the spell within. The card then immediately loses its magic.

I don't see any stipulation about whether or not the spell you cast into the card is allowed to require concentration. How would that work? If you cast the spell the requires concentration into the card, the concentration doesn't begin until you use a Bonus action to deploy the card? Or does it just bypass the need for concentration altogether? Surely not the second one, right?

[undone fable]

you might get more help in #character-discussion

[fossil hollow]

#dnd-rules

[regal gulch]

What would be funnier, a lvl 20 druid, or lvl 20 cleric?

[strange python]

I'm not sure this answers my question but I will ask there. Thanks.

[woven flint]

I mean, neither are inherently funny?

It's kinda hard for something to be funny without context on why it'd be funny

[regal gulch]

Well the way I see it, druids have spells like Reverse Gravity and what not, while clerics can ask their god to fight something for them.

[woven flint]

Clerics can't ask their gods to fight things for them

[fossil hollow]

eh, at most a god can send a celestial

[woven flint]

Also, not all Clerics specifically worship a Deity

[fossil hollow]

also, a wizard has reverse grav too. my bladesinger has it

[dire glen]

Y'all I think my grandpa thinks DND is satanic 😭

[regal gulch]

true, but they arent as tanky

[regal gulch]

tell him its math rocks

[hushed mason]

Grandpa mus like Jack Chick.

[fossil hollow]

theyre around the same, if built a certain way...

[dire glen]

Plus they judge me for my Metal music too y'all am I cooked 💀😭

[fossil hollow]

control is a better tank than having more ac and hp

[woven flint]

My Tiefling War Cleric was so tanky, he was the only Frontliner in the entire party and he only went down like... Three times lol

He had 7 damage resistances too :DD

Cold, Fire, Poison, Necrotic, Bludgeoning, Piercing and Slashing

[gaunt roost]

While I do agree with you, their 10th level feature is literally called "divine intervention". While in 24, it most certainly only gives you an extra 5th level slot, in 14 it technically could summon god, if god was allowed to fight the entity you needed help with (there is rules what the gods are allowed to fight)

[glad arch]

How does one manage this

[woven flint]

He was an Infernal Tiefling
Fire resistance
A high level War Cleric
Bludgeoning, Piercing and Slashing
He took the Tiefling specific feat from Tasha's that gave him resistance to Poison and Cold damage
And he had a ring of Necrotic resistance

[scenic valley]

Hello

[glad arch]

Good stuff

[woven flint]

Would you believe me when I say he was an absolute unit? 🧐

[scenic valley]

Do you guys have a game going or something

[fossil hollow]

#find-a-game

[glad arch]

Taking half damage from several of the most common damage types on a war cleric, yep no issues believing that

[gaunt roost]

there is a surprising number of people asking about joining games this evening

[scenic valley]

All be honest I've never played before my best friends super in to it and I wonu try it

[gaunt roost]

usually its like maybe one, that was like the fourth one this evening alone

[woven flint]

We fought a lot of fiends and undead and the dm was surprised that he had no issue being the sole frontliner, honestly, so was I lol

We had
War Cleric (Me, obviously)
Draconic Sorcerer
Abjuration Wizard
And
A Ranged Champion fighter in that 4 session oneshot lol

[umbral girder]

I was the DM, can confirm

[rough basalt]

Yeah we fortnite emoted on the Lich after we killed him

[umbral girder]

The only thing I am proud for as a DM was how I flavored your Wish spell for a simulacrum

[woven flint]

Hell yeah 😎

Karkas was the party muscle daddy fr

[rough basalt]

The simulacrums art is still one of the best things I've ever seen

[umbral girder]

The clay dude and actual god

Personally I think the water elemental was the best one

[undone fable]

psion seems like an interesting class

[rough basalt]

And our fighters hit bonus being so high he only rolled to see if he critted

[umbral girder]

Literally us saying “bro is playing pathfinder in the corner” with those numbers

Only the lich had an AC he could actually miss with

[scenic zinc]

Should still roll to see if he misses by getting a 1

[rough basalt]

Ye he only had a 5% chance to miss everyone but the lich

[woven flint]

I got the final hit on the physical body TWICE lmao
And Stranger/Dawn got off the final hit on his Phylactry

[rough basalt]

Then on the lich it was only a 10% chance to miss

Without shield anyway, shield made it more normal chance to miss

Well sort of anyway

[woven flint]

I could also give Boosts to the fighters attacks as a war cleric just in case he or I ever missed

[umbral girder]

That Flee, Mortals soul stone trick was so mean but I was amused to use it

[rough basalt]

Dude(lich not you as the dm) really had to start calling in Orcus

Imagine

[umbral girder]

That was his goal after all

[rough basalt]

Then who was it, I think it was Beatrice the wizard that took the Demon book and disappeared

[umbral girder]

That was also my secret motive too on why I did not counter spell Karkas’ Mass Heal

If the Orcus fight did happen, then you would have been down a 9th level slot

[rough basalt]

Demonomicon(?)

[umbral girder]

Yep!

[rough basalt]

At will power word kill lol

What an absolute unit

[umbral girder]

Nah he wasn’t in his lair

[rough basalt]

Ah

[umbral girder]

He was gonna cast 9th level Create undead and such as an action to make things spookier

[rough basalt]

Was a very fun adventure

[umbral girder]

Because Ghouls would be a nightmare to deal with a crowd of them

Karkas and the Simulacrum would need to spam Lesser restoration (if they had it)

[undone fable]

Would psions work similarly to wizards or sorcerers more?

[woven flint]

Sorcerer

[undone fable]

Why? im still not quite understanding psions.

[woven flint]

Well, it has a secondary resource to spellslots in Psionic Energy Dice

It can expend these dice to enhance its spells

[umbral girder]

It’s a dude with psychic powers

Like a Mind Flayers or the Gith

[undone fable]

Ah okay. thank you

[umbral girder]

Or like a Jedi if you like Star Wars

[gaunt roost]

Psions are... not great. They originated as a "ha gotcha" type of enemy that ignored conventional player rules (magic resistance or counterspell not working on psionic abilities due to them being non-magic, psionic resistance still counting as magic resistance etc) and being the cool new thing you needed to buy a new book for

as their powers are mostly "I do what I want" they are not book learned but more innate like sorcerers bloodlines

[rough basalt]

I love Psionics.

[umbral girder]

I want to play a Psion. This way I can spam hold person and how it’s no use to fight back

[undone fable]

Ngl i kinda want psion to be official dnd content. Just like bloodhunters.

[rough basalt]

Bloodhunter isn't official and Psion is

[umbral girder]

It is. It’s in playtesting

It’s been a class in older versions of DnD

[rough basalt]

Several classes even

[umbral girder]

Like 4e

[rough basalt]

Battlemind my beloved

[gaunt roost]

fun fact, the thing about psionics ignoring player rules actually carried over to 5e with the bear barbarian being resistant to everything but psychic damage, aka "get f'd, psionics rule" PC bullying

[umbral girder]

Also because bear barbarian is for physical threats and psychic isn’t

[gaunt roost]

it lead to some of the most ridiculous classes in older editions. You get warlocks to cast like 2 spells like eldritch blast as often as you want? WELL HAVE A KINETIC CLASS, THAT CAN SEND OUT UNLIMITED ELEMENTAL BULLETS WHILE FLYING AND CASTING OVER CON

[raw ocean]

I wonder if anyone has ever ran a PBP/Sessions hybrid campaign

[gaunt roost]

necrotic and radiant also arent really physical attacks, as they attack your life force directly

[rough basalt]

For example in 4e there was no martial caster divide

There was everyone else vs psionics divide /hj

[umbral girder]

Necrotic I can see a case for, radiant has shown to be a physical thing a few times in modules like the Spelljammer game and the Laser guns in the DMG

Actually I think Necrotic is also a physical damage thing too because it’s also a laser gun too

[undone fable]

So... how do I know if Im playing psion right?

[umbral girder]

Even “being crushed by psychic powers” is shown to be bludgeoning too

[gaunt roost]

psionics really required their own set of rules that ignored normal rules except if they profited from applying to those rules (as stated, ignore magic resistance, but magic doesnt ignore psionic resistance, get to do an unavoidable damage type, but can resist all magic damage types, gets around magic items because they arent psionic items, etc)

[rough basalt]

Based

[dire glen]

Should I watch that show in your pfp?

[rough basalt]

It's pretty good

[dire glen]

My dad called it dumb because it's "a cartoon" without even watching it 😭

[gaunt roost]

as written, both necrotic and radiant are pure energy (of death and life respectivly). Yes some people just use them for lasers because sunbeam does radiant damage (as it burns away "evil") but technically the point is that they target your essence, not your body. But yeah, with all the lasers that melt ships I can understand it doesnt seem that way anymore

[umbral girder]

Last I checked pure energy does physical damage

[hushed mason]

Are "necrotic" and "radiant" new ways of saying "negative" and "positive"?

[umbral girder]

Well these both come from the Positive and Negative energy planes

[rough basalt]

Reminds me I need to think up the lore for psionics in my world

[gaunt roost]

yes, actually. They clarified that a few editions back, that they went away from "negative" damage because people got confused on that and thought it meant it healed. Might have been pathfinder clarification though...

[lavish flame]

You have fun while being Jean Gray or Eleven or whoever

[gaunt roost]

It makes little sense for resistance then though. Like, are angels energy proof? They arent fire proof, they arent negative energy proof, but pure positive energy doesnt affect them as well? And some undead have the same thing for negative energy? A Vampire is resistant to pure negative energy why? Except if its actual a metaphysical thing of draining positive energy, which the vampire also does, so he knows how to resist the drain that he causes himself?

[stoic obsidian]

What the one weapon in dnd you guys barely ever used?

[umbral girder]

Same reason why dragons resist an element. They got that magic as part of their very being is why

[gaunt roost]

dragons are part elemental though. I guess they arent anymore in 5e, but they used to have an elemental tag depending on their breath

[umbral girder]

Also interestingly Bleeding is considered Necrotic damage

[glass granite]

Blowgun

[stoic obsidian]

Who ever wanna used that weapon

[gaunt roost]

necrotic damage is any and all life energy leaving your body by any means, as its "negative", substracting from yourself. I guess I wouldnt class dismembering as necrotic though

[bronze wave]

Shortswords

[hushed mason]

Whip.

[wind schooner]

Whattup fellow nerds

[gaunt roost]

in any case, how does psychic damage actually kill anyone if its truly the only meta kind of damage that does not affect your body or soul? And more importantly, how do you actually heal it? You cant heal your childhood trauma by casting cure wounds. You cant recover from losing your loved ones by healing word. Yet you can die by an insult of the bard while raging out of your mind. Whats the reasoning behind it beyond "its psychic, its special, shut up"

[bronze wave]

I assume it’s like a mental attack. Like your mental psyche is being attacked

Which is why you need to mentally make a check often to fortify yourself

Most psychic dmg is also magic dmg

[gaunt roost]

yeah but you cannot cause wounds by being insulted by internet trolls, and you cannot put a bandaid on your forehead if you got ragebaited

yet you can use a medkit to save someone dying of vicious mockery

[vast pelican]

Not in the real world

[flat field]

The way i dm it is psychic damage is affecting that creature next action. So the vicious mockery is actually affecting how the creature will move and put itself in danger, so like stepping on its own tail, biting something way too hard, forget a wing beat etc

[gaunt roost]

either a) there is an arbitrary rift that puts psychic damage in a special category due to being a relic of psionics needing special treatment or b) they didnt think too hard and just gave it to psychic

[gaunt roost]

what if said creature is completly immune to physical damage, like a 14 werewolf?

[bronze wave]

It’s a magically enchanted version. It’s not the same measure

[knotty canyon]

Is there any balancing reason Light armour master isn't a thing? I've always thought it's weird there isn't a feat like that seeing medium and heavy got one

[fossil hollow]

only from weapon attacks

[bronze wave]

If a bard insults you normally it’s whatever it’s not a cantrip lol

It’s a mental attack which ya you can help using medial measures

[fossil hollow]

werewolves can still take damage from falling rocks, getting hit with tsunami, or falling themselves

[flat field]

Yeah, but it is self inflicted. Even if it is immune, the tongue isn't, maybe it bited it and severed it. There's always a way, and i kinda like it personnaly

[gaunt roost]

I concede that there are reasons to get around the caveats of mental attacks. I still remain of the opinion that the rift 3.5 and so on made about seperating psionics from magic with the clear intent of making them the "better" system because its "new" was poorly thought through and mostly to sell new books. Maybe WotC will not repeat past mistakes, but Im not confident given how they handled splash book subclasses in the past

[rough basalt]

Made my psionics lore

I like it.

[bronze wave]

Meh I never cared for psionics

It is basically magic lol. Like there’s no variation half the time

[snow agate]

good session 1 today
we killed 4 bandits today without taking a scratch and captured 2 horses

[rough basalt]

Psionics > magic /hj

[gaunt roost]

Yeah but the main reason I pointed out that bear barbarians take full damage from psychic despite resisting everything else, so I guess in lore they need to crit themselves?

[gaunt roost]

Those horses are evil. They will betray you. Do not trust them. Dont listen to their whispers. They have already infiltrated your camp, do not go to sleep around them

[snow agate]

i can knock them out with an action im not worried

[valid geyser]

yeah i mostly figure that if divine miracles and arcane sorcery use the same system for creating magical effects, i dont see why mind powers shouldn't as well

[gaunt roost]

You can knock out a 68 HP AC 13 monster with one action? Man, you are powerful

[snow agate]

its a horse it doesnt have 68 hp

[gaunt roost]

Yes. Sure. Thats what they want you to believe.

[flat field]

The way i dm it is you cant prepare for self inflicted damage. So every self inflicted is, yeah, a crit, or i prefer saying surprise attack lol

[snow agate]

ah i see. they were pretending to fall asleep when i hit them with the sleep spell

[gaunt roost]

Nightmare neighing in the distance

old or new sleep? New sleep doesnt scale of HP anymore. And old sleep averages a total of 22,5 HP, that is not enough for 2 normal horses of 13 HP each. So yes, they did pretend to fall asleep

[eager marsh]

i doubt theyd be using old sleep (it was garbo) so its most likely new sleep

[gaunt roost]

new sleep doesnt scale to anything and just sleeps anyone that can have the incapacitated and unconcious duration

[eager marsh]

and fail the save

[gaunt roost]

so its hardly a measure of power

[eager marsh]

you can measure wisdom saves with it technically

[gaunt roost]

a tarrasque can be put to sleep by it (it has advantage with +9 though)

[fossil hollow]

and 6 legendary resistances

[gaunt roost]

I mean, tarrasque likes sleeping

[fossil hollow]

true, i would probably have it fail the save willingly

[gaunt roost]

if it wastes a LR on a sleep spell that doesnt really do much other than either letting people run away or wake it again by attacking, its weirdly hating on you personally

[snow agate]

"dm can the dragon get disadvantage since they sleep more than cats do"

[gaunt roost]

also you can only measure wisdom saves if your dm actually tells you the roll and the result, if he just goes "oof, a 11 total" from rolling a 2 that might lead you to be overly confident!

[fossil hollow]

"I like it when I chose to go to sleep"

[eager marsh]

The rules are indeed unclear on if the DM 'should' announce the totals for monster saves or attack rolls

[gaunt roost]

"The dragon says thank you before going to sleep because it has had problems with insomnia for the last few weeks. However, this activates its lairs sleep mode, flooding it with water as its an aquatic dragon. How long can you hold your breath?"

[snow agate]

"Can I befriend the dragon's lair engineer since it somehow triggers the water faucet via its brainwaves"

[gaunt roost]

the rules are pretty clear on the attack roll totals, as things like shield and mirror image need to know if they "hit". Though of course the dm is free to memorize the specific AC of every single PC with any possible buff they can add

[gaunt roost]

"Yes, its actually a very industrious elder brain dragon. They are nice once you get to know them, but also hungry, and you just pressed the doordash button"

[eager marsh]

The DM can in fact merely note the players AC and just say 'hits' rather than ask them if X hits technically speaking.

[snow agate]

"Sorry but i wrote on page 6, or maybe 7, i dont remember, of my backstory that im a skeleton disguising as a human, so im not food and i cant drown"

[rough basalt]

I typically keep players sheets at the ready

[gaunt roost]

True, but that technicality can lead to hostility at the table. The same way you, as a player, can tell your DM that you "probably hit" the lich, and if they "want to use their reaction to cast shield" only to reveal you rolled a total of 12 after they cast. Withholding information can go both ways

Im not saying it should lead to this

[snow agate]

personally i just assume if a dm wont show their rolls that they just want to remove the idea of chance from the game so that things can go how they script it regardless of luck