dnd-discussion

[atomic kayak]

its literally not steampunk.

Its magic. Warforged aren't robots or steam powered. Artificers aren't "mechas" or anything either.

[lyric idol]

Also grappling them.

[inner silo]

Sounds like monk is the way to go, since there are a lot of problems with artificers and necromancers it seems

[umbral girder]

Really felt like a shrug and add whatever feature

[limber trail]

they can, but especially the push isn't as good as other push mechanics

[snow agate]

With shadow monk 24 you can just move it wherever at the start of your turn. You could also do typical silly things like stunning and grappling

Playing one rn, I usually take my first turn to run across the map and beat up the mage/archer while he’s blind

[umbral girder]

Plus many of the magic items with those restrictions were actively better to give someone that is not the artificer anyway as well.

[lyric idol]

If you have the new Forge of the Artificer, the new armorer sounds really fun. You can make yourself a dreadnought armor and make yourself Large and hit enemies around with a wrecking ball.

[limber trail]

these are also fair points but it relies on a majority of your party building around this mechanic and it can also really be at the detriment of the turns of other players if they do need to see

[inner silo]

Actually that's the one i considered the least. Being a big bulky guy isn't really something i want to play rn, especially in a party with 3 close range martial tanks

[limber trail]

Eberron more than steampunk is really Aetherpunk

[atomic kayak]

Not sure what the attitude is for. There is no more steam tech in eberron than there is in the forgotten realms. Less generally speaking honestly. As in, it very largely does not exist.

Its magic, not tech. Thats quite literally one of the entire points of eberron.

[woven flint]

Literally every machine in Eberron is magic powered, I dunno what you want to hear, but yeah, that's it.

[atomic kayak]

You are unfortunately demonstrating exactly my point

[snow agate]

This is like saying shadowrun isn’t cyberpunk dystopia because the tech is mostly magic

[umbral girder]

Specifically dragon magic powered

[lyric idol]

3 armor sets. One for range, one for front line support, and one for being extra large. The ranged one is nice because it nullifies disadvantage all good armors have.

[atomic kayak]

^ showcasing a fundamental misunderstanding of the setting

[snow agate]

It’s still the same genre

[woven flint]

Jokes on you!
I don't even know what Shadowrun IS!

[snow agate]

Imagine dnd but cyberpunk, you now have shadowrun

[umbral girder]

And people wonder why people don’t like Eberron when this is the wild claims thrown about it

[atomic kayak]

A fundamental principle of the Eberron setting is quite literally "magic instead of tech"

[lyric idol]

Also you can lend your armor sets to your teammates. They can be a Large sized dreadnought swinging a wrecking ball.

[limber trail]

it's where you gotta run away from the shadows of course

[inner silo]

I see. I'll consider it, though being iron man isn't really my thing i don't think. Thanks for the suggestion!

[errant stratus]

Hello, i herd people talking about Eberron, i like the setting but i swear my friends just dont wanna dm it

[woven flint]

Eberron isn't steampunk.
It's magi-tech.
It's using magic to make technological advancements.

[snow agate]

I understand that the mechas and robots and guns are powered by magic. They’re still mechas and robots and guns, idk what to tell you

[inner silo]

Can you make multiple sets?

[atomic kayak]

They don't even have guns, its wands.

[errant stratus]

Arcana-punk?

[snow agate]

“They don’t even have guns” have you read artificer?

[limber trail]

mechas and robots and guns aren't really staples of the steampunk genre more than any other genre. They exist in steampunk, sure, but they exist in plenty of other genres too.

[errant stratus]

The artificer xane with Tasha, not eberron

[lyric idol]

Only one set I believe.

[atomic kayak]

So I would appreciate if you cut the attitude just because you are being corrected over your fundamental misunderstanding of the setting

[snow agate]

Not in medieval fantasy

[errant stratus]

Everron just expanded it

[inner silo]

Oof i see

[woven flint]

have you read the part where they make a Wand/Staff/Rod their Arcane firearm?

[snow agate]

• firearm

[atomic kayak]

The class that doesn't have guns?

[snow agate]

Literally just said firearm

[lyric idol]

Technically they have cannons 😅

[umbral girder]

Which they aren’t

[lyric idol]

If we're talking Artillerist

[inner silo]

Flame throwers

[hollow stone]

artificers have artillerists which are just guns with feet

[atomic kayak]

they've got wands and magic yes

[woven flint]

Cannons AREN'T guns.

[limber trail]

Forgotten Realms & similar DnD settings isn't necessarily typically medieval fantasy either, DnD is more of a rennaisance / high fantasy setting that 100% has mechas & guns. The core rule books include both guns and robots.

[lyric idol]

Touche

[atomic kayak]

Its not even an actual cannon - its a magical creation

[worn fox]

Hey guys I’ve gotta play tmmrw and I’m gonna be DM but I’ve never played before and tbh idk how the game works I know how the basic things work like what races and like intelligence Strength wisdom but don’t know how to fill the character sheet like where do we get the characters level or level of dexterity or intelligence yknow I saw someone use a book but don’t have it so,and the rest of the sheet to me like hit dice? Death saves?spells? Armor class where do I get these do I need like a whole ass manual or can I use a default like 5 and as we go we get higher level and how do levels work is it per each role of dice or dyou have to get a specific number and add it up

[atomic kayak]

The forgotten realms unironically has more actual "steam" tech than Eberron

[lyric idol]

It says cannon in the book I believe. I'm too lazy to pull up dndbeyond.

[atomic kayak]

Yes its called a cannon but its not a literal cannon

[inner silo]

Recommend reading the entirety of the core rule book back and fourth

[worn fox]

Like the rules on the server or an actual book

[woven flint]

I think they're more frustrated with your hostile demeanor

[umbral girder]

Yeah FR and Greyhawk actively have more robots and guns than Eberron has by a lot

[inner silo]

They're free rules avalible online on DND beyond

[umbral girder]

Shoutout to the Android and Cyborg stat blocks

[snow agate]

I have no obligation to be polite toward bullish rude people

[worn fox]

It’s not a lot is it?

[inner silo]

It's more then enough and explains everything you asked

[atomic kayak]

There was no "bullish" behavior or anything going on. I literally just corrected your statement and you gave immediate attitude

[lyric idol]

I'd buy the DMG. The DMG actually has a lot of tips for rookie DMs.

[atomic kayak]

^

[lyric idol]

Obviously the PHB is a must buy

[inner silo]

Is there anything from phb the core rule book doesn't have except subclasses and some spells?

[atomic kayak]

A fair bit

[lyric idol]

DMG focused stuff.

[hollow stone]

i think like, the entire armor table is redacted

[inner silo]

Oof

[crimson gulch]

the free rules have one subclass per class, only 3 backrounds only a few feats, less than half the monsters, but most of the spells

[limber trail]

The free rules contains the entire weapons & armour table as it exists in the PHB

[worn fox]

I read the rules for my specific class that I always go for and that just kinda confused me more cause for each level there’s a +2 for example where do you put that like do u write it down in ur notebook I know there’s a notebook used while playing,and there are sorcery points again where is this going

[inner silo]

But they contain all the rules you need to run dnd right?

[hollow stone]

oh what? i remember i tried looking for it on roll 20, which i have no books on that site, and the armor table was just nonexistent

[crimson gulch]

yeah you can do perfectly fine with the free basic rules, give it a try

[limber trail]

That might be roll20 being weird, the free rules on DnDB are what I'm going off of

[woven flint]

No.

[atomic kayak]

The basic rules are definitely sufficient for starting the game generally

[crimson gulch]

it has all the rules, just not all the options

[lyric viper]

(they are not)

[inner silo]

I see, makes sense

[naive dirge]

do what u want cuz a pirate is free

[woven flint]

I know what you did.

These Arcane eyes can see all!

[worn fox]

And I heard u need a map too do u really need it or can u like make one diy map not based on any irl thing just drawing squiggly lines with nature rivers etc

[limber trail]

you don't need maps, especially not world maps.

[inner silo]

You can graph out a couple of A4 papers

[atomic kayak]

a map of the world is definitely not required.

battlemaps are also optional

[lyric viper]

Quick rule is that if it contains anything more than the SRD which is essentially the Basic Rules, then it's not legal. Only a few platforms have licenses to sell that content digitally

[limber trail]

Battlemaps are what you might want, but even those can be easily made with a whiteboard and some dry erase markers

[woven flint]

Hokrun owes Artanza for saving him btw /j

[inner silo]

I see, will keep it in mind moving forward!

[limber trail]

I wouldn't really waste time on a map of the world at all until you're underway with some invested players

waste time is a stretch but there's other priorities you have early on

[limber trail]

Alright where'd that guy go...

[woven flint]

What guy?

[limber trail]

the one ahan gave my money to

[woven flint]

You gonna donate to the homeless guy again?

Artanza would be proud

[limber trail]

what went around is going to come around

giving hokrun a gun was a mistake truly

[woven flint]

Wait, what-

[limber trail]

there's a tier list of which of the party members should have a gun and hokrun is at the bottom

[woven flint]

DON'T shoot him, please.

[inner silo]

Are the magic items the artificer makes good for support?

[woven flint]

I think Artanza would be the most trust worthy with it
I can't see who else In the party wouldn't brandish a gun at someone and be like
"Hey, look at this!"

EXACTLY like Hokrun did, by the way

[limber trail]

I cannot disagree with this i definitely did it

[umbral girder]

Eh

[woven flint]

"Hey, Detective!"
Reaches for gun

[inner silo]

I see

[inner silo]

Is their damage decent?

[limber trail]

this gun is such a silly bit I'm so excited to commit to it for far longer than I should

I'm deciding if I wanna take sharpshooter, gunner, or weapon master next

[umbral girder]

Eh

The class is more focused on having a lot of options

[woven flint]

Preferably
None
I'd love if you just put the gun down, Hokrun...!

[inner silo]

So they're mainly utility?

[limber trail]

That is not happening

[woven flint]

Damnit.

[limber trail]

I took my subclass for this gun

I'm mechanically commited to this now

[woven flint]

You should also use a dagger as well

Just become Spy TF2

[limber trail]

I do

[marble lion]

everyone should always just have a dagger

[woven flint]

Oh..
Have I not seen it?

[limber trail]

So fun little fact: Hokrun canonically is always holding a dagger and simply doesnt use it

[marble lion]

if you dont have any daggers, youre not an adventurer

[limber trail]

Daggers are my martial kensei weapon

Kensei monks, when they use an unarmed strike as the attack action while holding a martial kensei weapon, get +2 AC

[woven flint]

Artanza's only Melee weapon is Shocking Grasp 🙏

[knotty pasture]

I really went dual daggers for my Astarion on bg3, because Spy tf2 never left my mind when I was building him

[limber trail]

so for hokrun it is optimal to be holding a dagger and never use it

[marble lion]

ok i guess if you have a melee cantrip, thats excusable

[knotty pasture]

He's definitely the type of guy who'd say that would be your mother too

[marble lion]

but i still think you should have a dagger

[limber trail]

I have six so I can share

[marble lion]

yes give a dagger to your party members who were too neglectful to bring one

[woven flint]

He's a Knowledge Cleric Tortle and doesn't have the best physical stats, but has Wizard Magic initiate and he's gonna make damn good use of it

[marble lion]

yes but its a dagger

[limber trail]

Hokrun; Apparently he's the mom friend now :)

[knotty pasture]

Daggers felt like such a versatile weapon that I'd bring it along regardless of the situation anyways for flavor

[marble lion]

you need to bring a dagger if you are an adventurer

[glossy otter]

I hear the back is the best spot to place it XD

[knotty pasture]

Like I'll just pretend my PC would need to cut something real fast without using a giant sword or axe for it

[marble lion]

the best spot to place it is not the back

[limber trail]

I'll put a dagger in Artanza's back

[marble lion]

that would be your mother

[woven flint]

Listen, Man, I'm already the parties Grandpa there 😭

[limber trail]

so mom friend is an open position?

[knotty pasture]

Indeed, and now he's here to beep us!!

[marble lion]

ok but genuinely the best place is the front where the heart is

[woven flint]

Also, you folks should try playing a grandfather figure to your party if you haven't, it's great

[limber trail]

this old guy will not survive the campaign

[knotty pasture]

Elminster Jr at your service

[woven flint]

Grandfather/mother

[limber trail]

it's funny because I also played a grandpa figure recently and it was completely different vibes

[woven flint]

I fully expect Artanza to die when we get to The Dungeon of the Mad Mage, appreciate his kindness while you have it

[umbral girder]

Hmm I should try a Fathomless Tortle Warlock

[woven flint]

I might bring in a Ranger if he dies, perhaps, idk

[limber trail]

I would so sincerely love if one by one all our characters die and so by the end of the campaign the party has been ship of theseused into heroic good aligned PCs

[umbral girder]

Or an Eladrin Archfey Warlock

[limber trail]

Eladrin Archfey sounds fun

[umbral girder]

Teleport spam

[glossy otter]

the enemy fighting the eladrin: "Why are there so many leaves/snowflakes, I just had this place cleaned!"

[woven flint]

Which characters in our party do you see most likely sacrificing themselves for the others?

[umbral girder]

"I keep the maid employed"

[limber trail]

artanza and that is it

[woven flint]

He goes the path of master Oogway

[glossy otter]

"Jokes on you, i have the zombies do it" jkjk though that would be a funny interaction

[woven flint]

"My time has come..."

[umbral girder]

"Yeah and I'm sure they do a good job."

I mean realistically you only need a gelatinous cube to clean your dungeon

[woven flint]

I can't wait for him to get to level 5, because that's when he's gonna become more of a Melee Combatant (Spirit Gaurdians)

[limber trail]

Hokrun at level 5 might be fun because that's when I get to mix guns and fists

I don't think kensei is the best choice mechanically but it is so fun

[woven flint]

Wait until magic weapons are involved and you can use "Sharpen the Blade" on them

You've got a +3 Vicious Shortsword now!

[limber trail]

respectfully

if the magic weapon aint a gun i aint want it

[stoic obsidian]

Sharpen the blade is also ki point sink

[limber trail]

(and bonus action sink)

[woven flint]

That is true, but Short Rests

[stoic obsidian]

If your dm lets you have one

[limber trail]

i also can once a day regain all my focus points when i roll initiative

[woven flint]

Considering I can give my party a short rest whenever (once per long rest) with Prayer of Healing because I'm a Cleric.

[umbral girder]

Also 2024 Monk gets a good handful of Ki back once a day without any short rests

[stoic obsidian]

Okay fair, but just saying

[woven flint]

It's not like Short Rests are as hot of a commodity in 2024 rules as they were 2014 it seems.

Usually 1 or 2 Short Rests can get you through a long day as well

[stoic obsidian]

Yeah, but just don’t spam sharpen the blade

[umbral girder]

Plus its a only a short rest, an hour is usually fine after all.

[limber trail]

an hour is usually pretty doable somewhere in an adventuring day unless something real bad is going down

[limber trail]

at that level you usually have +1/+2/+3 items anyways

[woven flint]

You won't have to worry anyway, my Monk BBG, I'll always have Prayer of Healing prepared

[limber trail]

thanks bbg

[umbral girder]

Once, due to a super lucky roll, I had players get a +2 weapon at level 2.

[stoic obsidian]

Yet you have flame tongue getting buffed to plus 3 by sharpen the blade

Plus why not both

Like a plus 3 weapon and a non plus magic weapon

[limber trail]

You can't buff items which have a +1/+2/+3 with sharpen the blade

and also I'm not ever gonna be dual wielding weapons

or well, not weapons that I'll be using

[glossy otter]

after getting back into 40k and the talk of blades has me wanting to make an emperor's children inspired PC

[woven flint]

FOR THE EMPEROR!

[stoic obsidian]

I meant you can use a plus 3 weapon (non attunement) when you don’t want to use up your ki points and then you can use magic weapons without a plus against particular enemies

[umbral girder]

Fun fact, in previous editions there was a race of people made of Blades.

Part of Planescape

[stoic obsidian]

They should bring them back

[umbral girder]

The Bladelings from Acheron.

[glossy otter]

death to the false emperor and praise the dark prince

[snow zephyr]

They'd have to actually take planescape seriously again, and I don't see that happening any time soon

[crimson gulch]

i love me some planescape, the 5e box set has gotten so much use in my games

[snow zephyr]

Tyrannic screeching

[umbral girder]

Yeah the 5e box set for planescape is soooo good!

[stoic obsidian]

Also the point of sharpen the blade is to use it on magic weapons without good effects but no plus

[umbral girder]

I need to run more with it, it was wicked fun the last few times,

[snow zephyr]

40k crossover when?

[stoic obsidian]

Like you can use on a weapon of warning, flame tongue, dragon wing long bow, weapon of wounding, and other examples

[glossy otter]

honestly I could see it with sigmar, though with Soulbond it makes that harder

though it does make me think of if the chaos gods existed in the Faerun pantheon, what would happen?

[umbral girder]

I still love the addition of 2 sentences on rules on how to fight the Lady of Pain

[wraith mica]

I'm new to d&d and idk where to start

[umbral girder]

They can so much problems then Lord AO pushes them out with a broom

[glossy otter]

I thought it was four words. "you don't, you die"

[umbral girder]

And Mystra likely dies again somehow

[umbral girder]

It was “on the first attempt you are filled with horrible pain beyond any other and drop to 1 Hp”

[stoic obsidian]

Actually cartographer plus dancer sound like a fun time

[umbral girder]

The second one was the “you die, no god or wish can save you”

[glossy otter]

ngl now I'm thinking the full possibility of chaos in dnd, there's a lot of questions to it since technically there's already pre-existing gods to certain parts of the chaos gods portfolios

[umbral girder]

Also chaos itself is an “entity” in DnD too

[stoic obsidian]

So much inniative

[umbral girder]

It’s one of the four big powers of the multiverse after all.

[stoic obsidian]

Wait what is the ultimate going first party

[glossy otter]

Slaanesh vs Graz'zt over the domain of excess

[woven flint]

Everyone is a Harengon

[buoyant oar]

If you want insight into Role Playing the Lady of Pain. Troy Denning' Pages of Pain is Narrated by Her from her POV as she watches someone in Sigil.

[umbral girder]

Human fighter, Halfling Rogue, Elf Wizard, Dwarf Ranger (cooking tools proficiency)

[crimson gulch]

then a tabaxi fighter a bit later on

[stoic obsidian]

No dancer bard or cartographer artificer

[stoic obsidian]

You read my mind

[umbral girder]

The quest is to get their Human Cleric back too

[stoic obsidian]

I hope they succeed

Without losing more

[umbral girder]

I’m making a Dungeon Meshi reference btw for clarity sake

[stoic obsidian]

Oh, that explains the dwarf with cooking proficiency

[stoic haven]

Have yall ever ruled 2014 ranger to just be a prep caster like Paladin? To buff them?

[crimson gulch]

no, they have preformed great as is

[umbral girder]

Same as Urizt

[vast pelican]

The ranger spell list is bad enough that letting them prep different spells each long rest doesn't really change anything.

[crimson gulch]

i dont often have rangers change their prepared spells even in 2024 rules

[vast pelican]

Unless you know exactly what you're going to need that day and that is something different from your standard loadout, you're just gonna run Hunter's Mark, Entangle, Cure Wounds, and Pass Without Trace. Because those are always useful.

[reef tundra]

I honestly completely forget that some classes can only change spells whenever they level up 😭
In every campaign I’ve ran I let them change it every long rest

[vast pelican]

It's a little funny how convoluted Wizard spell selection is.

[foggy river]

My problem with Ranger is the classic characters used as examples... aren't Rangers. Aragorn? Fighter. Wolverine? Barbarian. Robin Hood? Rogue.

[vast pelican]

But I suppose it puts a necessary control on just how good the Wizard list is.

Aragorn is definitely a ranger.

The class was basically built for the purpose of playing as him.

[foggy river]

Except it doesn't.

He never used a bow, and while he did track, it was the only thing he did that was "ranger-like". Even his healing wasn't because he was a Ranger, but because he was a King.

[vast pelican]

Ranger =/= bow

[crimson gulch]

Ranger does not mean ranged combat

[foggy river]

No animal companions (a major factor of early edition Ranger

Nothing that Rangers do except tracking

Everything else he did was more Fighter

[crimson gulch]

you are defintly overthinking it

someone that ranges over long distances does not get by without fighting, i actually thing its more of a disservice that the Fighter is called that still when really everyone in dnd does fight

[woven flint]

Well, it's expected.
Long ago, Ranger was a fighter Sibclass

[buoyant oar]

Aragorn is 100% a ranger.

[stoic haven]

Even only changing 1 spell on LR would be great

[limpid zenith]

Robin Hood is at the very least a multiclass of ranger/rogue. (minus the spellcasting)

[limber trail]

Rangers also fight. I could see Boromir as a fighter, sure, Aragorn is quite literally a ranger in the text of the book

[reef tundra]

I’d say he’s all rogue, but that’s only my thought

[foggy river]

Name a class ability Rangers have that Fighters don't that Aragorn ever did besides tracking.

[reef tundra]

“Name a Ranger thing that Aragorn did except for that Ranger thing”

[buoyant oar]

Rangers were the lawmen of the rural areas or Foresters they were handymen, yeomen, they patrolled the dense woods. This area was called a Range.

Therefore. Rangers

[limpid zenith]

"Hey take this martial leaning half caster, and take away all the martial stuff, and the one thing that makes them different and then name what makes them different"

[crimson gulch]

Roving, feral senses, relentless hunting, Arragorn did all that for sure

[vast pelican]

Robin Hood in most portrayals doesn't fit very well into the class system.

[reef tundra]

I agree with this. He never really has does outstanding features

[vast pelican]

He's a gentleman thief who is also the best archer in England. I guess...a rogue that has spec'd into lots of charisma and charisma-based skills?

[buoyant oar]

It's also with Aragorn its most likely leaning on his movie version and not novel version.

[knotty basin]

Swashbuckler

[limpid zenith]

Bardcher without spells

[reef tundra]

I can see that working for him, actually

[crimson gulch]

gotta remember, movies and literature is not a 1 to 1 copy of dnd, not even the DND Movie was, The bard main charicter never obviosly cast any spells, but oh man did he inspire and influence

[vast pelican]

He doesn't really sneak around or infiltrate or any other classic rogue things.

[crimson gulch]

robin hood doning a disguise and infiltrating the tournament, yep not sneaky at all

[buoyant oar]

The classes themselves are not things in world. Either even in most official settings.

[limpid zenith]

this also

[knotty basin]

Yes, if you walk up to a guy and tell them “I’m a level 9 fighter” they’re going to be confused

[vast pelican]

Idk, a lot of the settings I've seen pretty clearly are conscious of the class system even if they aren't allowed to explicitly say it. Faerun, as far as I can tell, just plain uses the class names to describe skill sets.

[limpid zenith]

Because class names are usually derived FROM skill sets/professions?

[buoyant oar]

Sometimes. But a Barbarian does not always describe a Barbarian class.

[limpid zenith]

A Barbarian could very well be a paladin from a place that's considered wild and barbaric, like Scotland.

[umbral girder]

Robin Hood feels like a 100% rogue

[buoyant oar]

Take the Uthgardt Barbarians of the north. If you gave stats to all members of the Sky Pony Tribe. They would not all be Barbarians. But they would all be referred to as Barbarians.

[maiden sundial]

In 5e2024 Does initiative count as D20 test? Like if roll 1 on initiative, does Luck from Halfling traits reroll it?

[vast pelican]

It does

[reef tundra]

IIRC a d20 test is only ability checks, saving throws, and attack rolls

[vast pelican]

Initiative rolls are just an important Dexterity check.

[tribal mesa]

I’m playing a hexblade warlock, since the hexblade patron is one that creates sentient weapons, would it work if this warlock dies if the sentient weapon begins to puppet his body?

[reef tundra]

You have a point there

[umbral girder]

Initiative notably does not state it is a d20 Test like other d20 tests in the 2024 PHB.

[knotty basin]

Does the class feature say it can do that

[tribal mesa]

Well I’m thinking it be as a new character pretty much.

[umbral girder]

So you might find some push back, but personally I’d count it as one

[vast pelican]

I'm not being flippant or silly there, the rules for initiative read "every participant rolls Initiative: they make a Dexterity check that determines their place in the Initiative order".

And the rule for d20 tests says it encompasses ability checks, attack rolls, and saving throws.

[umbral girder]

Ah I see it now! Interesting the Rule glossary doesn’t add that detail.

[vast pelican]

Lucky should apply to almost any d20 roll, except the weird edge cases where the DM wants you to roll on a random table or something.

[glossy otter]

I was having a conversation with a friend and it had me thinking, does lycanthrope technically have limits in regards to who it can infect PC race wise?

[twin vector]

I wonder what would happen if a cleric or paladin of rather Asgorath or Tiamat would encounter a chromatic dragon

[glossy otter]

really depends on the connection but I could see the cleric/paladin giving reverance

[cinder plank]

How two barbarian with the same subclass can be different gameplay wise

[reef tundra]

Try picking different feats to move to other play styles

Also weapon choices

[knotty pasture]

Nvm misread the question, different weapons and feats yea

[reef tundra]

One barbarian could be going full greataxe with GWM to maximise being damage, but the other can be using weapons with sap and using the brutal strike options to try go for a debuffing style too

[umbral girder]

Feats, magic items, racial and background options and weapon choices are usually it

[cinder plank]

i always forgot about magic items

[umbral girder]

Like Ancestral guardians in story and gameplay would be so much different compared to a Berserker

One hits like a mountain and the other protects

[reef tundra]

A lot of people do, that’s why there’s the caster vs martials debate /hj

-# Nobody start it now /lhj

[umbral girder]

Yeah the Caster vs Martial divide is torn apart when you just use magic items in games

Or bring up any pillar of play. Or actually long adventuring days

[hidden spindle]

Its all in the RP

[cinder plank]

thats sad
im doing two barbarian with the fanatic subclass for my campaing but i cant really think in a way to them being different in gameplay without homebrew

[umbral girder]

Zealot is a pretty fanatic subclass (it’s called a Zealot after all)

[reef tundra]

You could go good cop bad cop with the zealot of the gods part

[vast pelican]

I'm always thinking about them. I'd have to restrain myself from handing them out like candy even at level 1.

[reef tundra]

I find too many magic items is better for the players than too little

As for whether or not it’s better for the DM that’s another question :)

[knotty pasture]

Could always scale the enemies to be harder in response too

Powerful weapons for powerful enemies

[reef tundra]

Good point

[cerulean anvil]

do you prefer have enemys initiative as one group or indidual?

[harsh gulch]

hello

[umbral girder]

If they share a stat block they share an initiative is how I run it

[silver dock]

i didn't know izutsumi was so racist wtf

she keeps calling laios's party members slurs

[timid current]

who/what are you talking about

[silver dock]

izutsumi
catgirl thief from delicious in dungeon

[timid current]

maybe you meant to post in #non-dnd-topics

[silver dock]

ur right ur right

[timid current]

oh. I don't watch too many cartoons these days. but yeah the off topic channel is the best place for non D&D stuff

[silver dock]

oh sry for the ping

[umbral girder]

It’s a neat Anime with similarities to D&D

Mainly because it was based on the game Wizardry which is based on D&D

[silver dock]

D&D but monsters "drop" (become) rations

[timid current]

oh I am familiar with it by name just not the characters in it

[umbral girder]

Gotta appreciate a party where the Human Fighter is considered the weirdest person in the party

[mystic fable]

have you met humans? some of them get pretty weird

[vale sage]

The human is usually the weirdest in my parties every time

[lunar finch]

I think I know the answer but I would still like to ask. In the mighty nein, we see the mage characters like Caleb use glyphs for their magic. Is there a canonical equivalent or is that just flavour?

[hushed radish]

yo waht is better for like a quick and sneaky rogue arcane trickster or asassin

[marble lion]

what level do you think youll get to?

assassins has 2 perks
1: surprise autocrit which is actually really hard to get working unless the DM regularly lets you solo-sneak around to surprise someone
2: infiltrating places with fake id etc, which only matters once you are high level and only if the DM actively constructs scenarios where this is possible

i would recommend not playing assassin unless the DM homebrews surprise attack, or works with you to make scenarios where your class matters

[naive dirge]

o

[marble lion]

arcane trickster is always decent
thief is actually the best one for what you ask i think

[hushed radish]

i am new to d&d an i already made friends and we are makign our char but we are all new sooo

[marble lion]

ive played assassin twice myself and it was completely useless the first time
then fun the second time but only because the DM basically just let me get the autocrit on any "surprising" attacks going by flavour

[naive dirge]

has anyone played b4 the lost city

[marble lion]

is the DM new too? id recommend not picking assassin then unless you homebrew surprise to allow it to happen whenever you get a cool rogue moment attack in

[hushed radish]

we dotn have a dm yet

[marble lion]

important note: once per combat only or youll just autocrit constantly

[marble lion]

then i wholeheartedly recommend not going assassin

thief is good because you have 2 bonus actions

bonus actions include hiding, running further, and running away without catching the attack enemies can make on you when you flee

[hushed radish]

ow ok

[marble lion]

it also includes other things like coating your blade with poison i think

thief is generally the best rogue subclass for sneaky guy i think, but arcane trickster seems fun if you want magic

[reef tundra]

Assassin works as a basic “default” subclass, but compared to others it’s not too good

[hushed radish]

btw maybe sum extra info about my char its a red dragonborn

[naive dirge]

Thoughts on B1 — In Search of the Unknown?

[hushed radish]

i'll prob use arcane trickster bc i think it would be interesting

[lavish flame]

Thats Somatic components being visualized. In D&D there are express instances of glyph-based magic (Giant Runes are a prominent example) but for the most part, people don't produce glowing rings and letters before casting magic.

[lunar finch]

Ah ok. Thank you. I figured that was the case but I still wanted to ask hoping I was wrong

[glad arch]

Alright perhaps a weird question and not sure if heres the right place to ask but im wondering. My handwriting is pretty ass to the point where sometimes its hard to read. Id like to print something instead but still make it look natural, but im having trouble finding stuff that replicates the inconsistencies of human writings

[marble lion]

i think basic subclasses should be the ones that do something, but nothing flashy, but frequently in normal play

assassin is the opposite
it will almost never take effect and requires highly specialised DMing to make actually do anything

[glad arch]

i think since im asking here its obvious but this is intended for a letter for my dnd campaign

[marble lion]

unless 24 changed it to be better i dont know that

[reef tundra]

That is a good point. The assassin gives really only 1 thing for newcomers to use and it’s only once per combat

[marble lion]

whats the one thing?

if you mean surprise, i gotta say it almost never happens unless the DM homebrews surprise

thats the whole problem with it to be honest

[reef tundra]

All they did was make it easier to use assassinate, but also make it be a straight damage bonus instead of a crit

[reef tundra]

Assassinate.

[reef tundra]

Fortunately in 2024 it’s no longer tied to surprised

[marble lion]

triggering a surprise attack is so hard in team play because
1 youre not always gonna be able to sneak in alone because the party wants to play
2 same thing but because the party sucks at stealth
3 same thing but because you wanna talk first and stuff because youre not murderhobos
4 because if their initiative comes up before yours, you just cant do it

[marble lion]

thats very good, then i see why you call it a basic class yeah. though thief is more basic i think

[reef tundra]

Fortunately 2024 fixed all but the last one

[marble lion]

i actually really like assassin in 2014 but its entirely dependant on the DM building the world around you and imo homebrewing the surprise thing

[reef tundra]

They’re both the “default” rogue subclasses in my mind

[reef tundra]

Yeah it is very DM dependant. But also being surprised isn’t homebrew

[marble lion]

no no i meant the DM has to homebrew when you get it imo

basing it on actual surprise is just so oof

[reef tundra]

Still not homebrew, it’s just a choice of the DM

[marble lion]

oh is it?

huh i thought surprise was by RAW a specific thing with people not expecting combat and not having gotten a turn yet

my DM would let me get the assassin hit even when just using a creative way of hitting someone unexpectedly

mid combat you know? it just made it so i actually got a use out of my subclass

[reef tundra]

Yeah, I agree with that

[marble lion]

for example, i eventually got the ability to teleport 30ft mistystep

[flat wind]

Just bought my very first Player's Handbook, and I even got the new Artificer book! Now I just need a DM guide and a Monster Manual, and I'm set 😁

[marble lion]

if i did that, i could get my 1/combat crit for example if the enemy wouldnt expect that

other things are stuff like using tremors to confuse blindfighting monster and jumping at it with a good athletics check so it didnt see the hit coming

its just "get creative and ill give you it" i think thats the best way to DM for an assassin if you run a combat campaign

[radiant sentinel]

Yoooo

Guys is there any like goof free to use dnd websites or apps to start playing with? I never played the game and I want to get into it

[spark harness]

Hi

[fossil hollow]

#dnd-newcomers

[radiant sentinel]

Thx

[marble lion]

i use owlbear rodeo to run maps with tokens for creatures like players and enemies etc
i use a character sheet PDF that is freely available (watch out for which edition you wanna play)
i use discord bot avrae for dice rolls when not using my own real dice
i use discord vc to talk to my players/DM

you dont need much to play dnd to be honest

[radiant sentinel]

Ohhhh

is roll 20 dot com good? Has anyone tried it?

[reef tundra]

Tried it. I don’t like it

I once had a player swear by it but I’d constantly have to help him sort stuff that wouldn’t have been an issue with almost any other site

[proven mountain]

I use it weekly and have become pretty fond it of. There is a learning curve but it does work pretty well.

[radiant sentinel]

Ok, thanks a lot!

[naive dirge]

i played a dungeon one time

[lean wigeon]

i would rather use owlbear over roll20

[reef tundra]

Did you also fight a dragon?

[naive dirge]

it had a room with a magic mirror that teleported you to an identical room halfway across the dungeon, and it also had a room full of pools that each had a different type of liquid. I remember one was full of acid and another was full of dry ice. I also remember we fought a slime in this room.
There also ended up being a trap floor that put us in a lower level with natural cavernous walls.

Has anyone else played this dungeon?

[silver dock]

call it generic but i love the "i'm going to outlive all of my friends" internal conflict for elf characters

[reef tundra]

Never, but it sounds cool

[naive dirge]

yeah it was pretty fun ngl

google said it might be "b1 search of the unknown"

I think there used to be premade dungeons and campaign books in the 80s you could buy?

[reef tundra]

Not a problem in my campaigns, I made some lore in my setting that elves can naturally, and peacefully pass away when they choose to 😎

[reef tundra]

It might just be something your DM made though

[naive dirge]

True. I got a knife in it as loot, it was enchanted, all wounds it inflicted could only be healed by time and not magic. Which kinda is OP for level 1.

[silver dock]

"i do not vibe with this world anymore. goodbye."

[naive dirge]

We also got a cloak that made the wearer immune to all weather effects

[reef tundra]

Pretty much. But I just made it as a way for elves to peacefully pass away with their loved ones

[silver dock]

awww that's actually kinda sweet

[reef tundra]

I called it the “final trance”, where they enter a trance and see the memories of their life flashing before them, before they fade away

[vast pelican]

Oh, lol, its my character.

Except it's not just friends but 10 whole generations of descendants by their human children.

[silver dock]

"oh them? they're my great great great great great great great great grandparent."

"why are they.. alive?"

[tame breach]

omg imagine seeing ur grand grand grand grand grand grand children and constantly being reminded of ur deceased mortal lover🥹 💔

[vast pelican]

Lol yup. Those whose lives he's actually present in (hard to be a meaningful figure in the lives of dozens of kids at a time) just call him grandpa.

[naive dirge]

thats probably why elves are so introverted in Lotr

[vast pelican]

He's absolutely terrified of dying and that suddenly being the end of all memory of literally hundreds of loved ones.

[silver dock]

how come we never see quarter elves? or eighth elves?

[fossil hollow]

because thats weird and a pain to mechanize

[vast pelican]

That would really bloat the character options beyond reason.

[naive dirge]

After two generations any elf traits are breeded out and youre just human

[reef tundra]

I feel like they said it as a joke

[silver dock]

"here's my 64th orc paladin"

[reef tundra]

Don’t get me wrong those are valid reasons though

[vast pelican]

But in terms of inheritance I do keep track of that stuff.

[naive dirge]

the real question is, what if a half-elf and elf mate? 3/4 elf?

[fossil hollow]

an elf

[vast pelican]

As a result of that drift, grandpa elf counts among his "grandkids" full humans, dwarves, orcs, etc.

[fossil hollow]

there was a whole conversation about half elves in #dnd-lore , might wanna go through that

[naive dirge]

has anyone done a swtor campaign

[reef tundra]

A what now

[knotty basin]

You heard him

[reef tundra]

I can’t recall running a swtor campaign but I think I played in one /lhj

[naive dirge]

star wars the old republic lol

like a custom campaign taking place in that universe

[silver dock]

im making delicious macaroni and cheese right now, hopefully no brussel SPROUTS sneak into it

[reef tundra]

Ohhhh

[naive dirge]

those are good if made right

[reef tundra]

I’ve heard there’s a dnd system about Star Wars

[scenic zinc]

SW5e

[reef tundra]

Yes, that, Ty

[crimson gulch]

You don't? I have had many

[near junco]

Yall ik i normal should ask this in #looking-for-players but I can post rn so is there anyone here thats under 18 and needs a campaign (its on Fridays 5pm gmt) 2 players had to drop out cuz of scheduling issues and it hasn't even been session 1 yet.

[clear lark]

No but AD &D did create modules for Star Wars Adventures. I haven't got a chance to read any of the adventures modules

[fossil hollow]

not the right channel

[near junco]

Yeah ik but it has a post limit and its not up for a few days and I kinda need one more player before next Friday.

[fossil hollow]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[near junco]

Scheduling issues WILL be the death of me lol.

[rotund agate]

Anyone know anything about the warlock game that was teased

[rotund agate]

Why not PBP?

[fallen cradle]

?

[near junco]

Me and my co-dms schedule is too busy so I cant do that unfortunately.

[rotund agate]

Play by post. Text based

[naive dirge]

do you mean playing by snail mail

[lyric viper]

The term has broadened more in modern day. It can refer to any text based game- such as on a forum or in a discord server.

[naive dirge]

Is your pfp curious george elgate

oh wait it's goron link

[rotund agate]

I hope the warlock game gives us custom characters

[lyric viper]

I don't think anyone still plays by mail. Or how popular PbP using literal mail was for D&D (I know it was for other older games like Diplomacy.... HMMM, might need to dig into the history on that)

[near junco]

Yeah but unfortunately I cant do that lol, me and my co-dm are busy so I have to rely on tryna find people who are under 18 and are free on Fridays 5pm gmt.

[rotund agate]

I also wonder if it’s turn based

[glass granite]

Pbp? Combat still is

[rotund agate]

I mean the warlock video game that just got teased

[glass granite]

Ah i see

[naive dirge]

imagine playing by mail thats gotta be the worst thing ever

[naive dirge]

why specifically under 18

[idle oar]

Because maybe that's the age group they feel comfortable playing with

[near junco]

Me and my co dm both are and idm playing with anyone but shes more comfortable playing with people under 18.

[idle oar]

But also please take any game soliciting/organizing to the Looking For Game channels as it's off topic here

[cosmic roost]

Ready to play Dungeons & Dragons?

Visit #find-a-game for everything you need to start your search, including:

• Instructions for finding a game here on the server (including how to post in our #looking-for channels).
• Suggestions for finding a game outside of this server.
• Basic advice to help you in your hunt.

[naive dirge]

valid

Why aren't there any dragons in D&D?

[fallen cradle]

Good point ngl yank

[near junco]

Wdym.

[naive dirge]

Ive never seen one

[glass granite]

There…are

[fossil hollow]

sounds like dm skill issue

[naive dirge]

I am not sure about that

[glass granite]

What level is your party?

[idle oar]

Plenty of dragons, both literal monsters or figurative problems

[glass granite]

DM’s aren’t gonna throw a death fire/lightning/acid/yougetthepoint lizard at a level 3 party

[naive dirge]

Hehe

[fair remnant]

Howdy yall~

[glass granite]

Gooooood morning afternoon evening!

[buoyant oar]

Hail and well met

[short fractal]

If you’re a lv4 element monk bugbear, than you could make melee attacks from 20ft away, so can you be like 20 or more ft away and throw a weapon to attack can you make that weapon land like 15ish ft away from the target, would that be aloud or does it have to be hitting the target?

[buoyant oar]

Sounds like a #dnd-rules question

[short fractal]

I joined like 5min ago so I didn’t know

[buoyant oar]

Sall goodman

[fossil hollow]

saul goodman?

[buoyant oar]

Tis all good man

[vast pelican]

My very first campaign we ran into a black dragon wyrmling at level 3. Half of the party was stoked and the other half needed a clean change of pants.

[glass granite]

Hm
I’m with the former, that sounds fun as hell

[vast pelican]

I think the fighter got in a wrestling match while my illusionist hid behind the door taking potshots.

[buoyant oar]

I very rarely use dragons in my games. I think I can count on one hand. The number of times the dragon has made an appearance in the last 3 years

[vast pelican]

You need more dragons in your life.

[naive dirge]

Dragon amror and weapons

[buoyant oar]

They're just not that compelling to me.

[naive dirge]

griffins are a better mythological creature imo

[buoyant oar]

I totally understand why people love them. But for me there are more interesting monsters

[naive dirge]

LOL REKT

[vast pelican]

Lol

[naive dirge]

nucleargandhi, do you play civ?

[vast pelican]

Indeed

[naive dirge]

Ah

[buoyant oar]

My go to enemies are Tanar'ri or Obyirths. But my current campaign has an overarching antagonist in the Inevitables.

[fossil hollow]

inevitables and maruts are fun

[buoyant oar]

Yeah I got my players trying to drum up an army because an army of them is coming from across the sea. They have a little under 2 months before they make landfall

I had to have an above table conversation that what they are facing is not prevention but mitigation.

[fossil hollow]

das it, im running planescape next

[buoyant oar]

Our main singular antagonist. Is a god of fate. They have decreed that the world shall end and start over.

[reef tundra]

I fear Maruts. I cannot fathom a situation to use them in

Planescape makes me afraid /j

[fossil hollow]

when someone braks a multiversal contract

they prefer nonlethal attacks

[reef tundra]

Oh I see. Thank goodness, it sounds like someone needs to go out of their way to encounter one

[buoyant oar]

I unleashed two of them on an unsuspecting party and when I told them automatic hit for 60 damage. They gasped. And then when I said

He's going to do it again.

That's when the fear happened

[fossil hollow]

The nigh-unstoppable inevitables serve a singular purpose: they enforce contracts forged in the Hall of Concordance in the city of Sigil. Primus, the leader of the modrons, created maruts and other inevitables to bring order to dealings between planar folk. A wide array of disparate creatures, including yugoloths, will enter into a contract with inevitables if asked.

[buoyant oar]

I believe we have two of the three main ones statted out in 5e

[fossil hollow]

some of the others are in planescape

oh its just kolyarut

[rough basalt]

Been too long without a crumb of dnd

[fossil hollow]

scratching for a planescape game...

[uncut zenith]

Yeah, their role is typically to subdue and arrest someone who broke a multiversal contract, not to kill them.

[spice cliff]

Kobolds lack a +1. Which Ability Score should I give it to?

[fossil hollow]

what

[fossil hollow]

now im really tempted to play planescape

[spice cliff]

For their Player Race, they have +2 DEX, but no +1.

What should I give it to?

[knotty basin]

Then they don’t get a +1

[fossil hollow]

you can also just not use the volo version

[spiral fox]

off-topic, but

why are "homebrew only" players so insufferable to deal with?

like they simply do not wanna listen. does anyone else have any bad experiences involving this?

[uncut zenith]

Playable kobolds were updated in MotM, so like all the other species in that book, they get a free floating +2 and +1 that they can apply to whatever stats they want.

[knotty basin]

What’s a “homebrew only” player

[spiral fox]

someone who refuses to play 5e classes, and only plays fully homebrew classes from their favourite creators, or the ones they make

[uncut zenith]

Can’t say I’ve ever experienced a campaign where people explicitly use only homebrew

[delicate owl]

Yeah me either, sounds like they don't actually wanna play 5e lol

[glass granite]

Me neither

[raw ocean]

I will take that over someone who uses their own homebrew

[spiral fox]

i have had a player like that on my table like that for the past 6 months

and they refused to stop shilling their favourite creator

[vast pelican]

I mean, you have to use something in the official rules.

[glass granite]

Else it’s not really dnd 5e

[uncut zenith]

Weird. I wouldn’t allow it, but that’s also because I generally don’t allow homebrew character options.

[spice cliff]

My blood is boiling over at the mere thought

[fair summit]

So far I've been lucky and haven't encountered a player like this, though such a player would be unlikely to make it into my table beyond session 0

Like I understand, homebrew does have some fun potential, but if you only wanna play homebrew for homebrew's sake that's an interesting stance to be stuck on. I do often see comments of players who wanna start off with homebrew just because they believe "homebrew" is, or asking about good homebrew since they wanna play homebrew just for the sake of it, and don't actually HAVE something they wanna play, and seem to just want to play it for its own sake, and I never really understand that 🤔

[uncut zenith]

The most homebrew I have at my table are monsters, magic items, and an occasional spell.

[spiral fox]

he would use content from LaserLlama

[vast pelican]

Well, if it has to be from anyone, LL is a pretty good designer.

[raw ocean]

I find homebrew perfectly fine as long as the DM and other players are fine with it

[spiral fox]

i have given homebrew transformations to my players as well

[fair summit]

Most common one I keep seeing is the "I wanna use homebrew so my character can be unique", which is definitely a terrible take / motivation 🤷

[vast pelican]

Yeah...

[spiral fox]

except he repeatedyly tried to force the entire catalog of LaserLlama content down my throat

[hushed mason]

Sounds like the official material needs more options.

[spiral fox]

they would bring up mechanics that are not possible in 5e

and forcefully play that

[raw ocean]

Homebrew mechanics are from hell

[spiral fox]

when i say fighter, rogue, monk, paladin, everyone in this chat knows immediately what i am talking about

[raw ocean]

You can be a LITERAL dragon session 1, but if I see a homebrew mechanic longer than a sentence. It’s denied.

[spiral fox]

can anyone here tell me what a Shaman is?

[hushed mason]

Shaman is an NPC divine caster class.

[uncut zenith]

There is such thing as good homebrew out there, but the experience I’ve had in the past is from players who want to use busted homebrew and don’t agree to rebalancing it as needed. Which is why I just generally avoid it at my tables.

[spiral fox]

or a Savant?

[tawdry sentinel]

Like a witch doctor

[raw ocean]

Guy who blows smoke in your face and tells you that you must fight a wendigo?

[vast pelican]

So this individual didn't last long at the table, I presume?

[raw ocean]

“My player forcibly played this” should not be a sentence

[hushed mason]

It's actually one of the "core" classes in 3.5... but it appears in the DMG rather than the PHB because it's intended for NPCs and is weaker than PC classes.

[spiral fox]

WRONG! Shaman is a LL class that lets you take damage, store it in a blood totem, and reflect it back, or use it to fuel other abilities.

also replying to @raw ocean

[raw ocean]

Players who bring 3.5 into 5E, I genuinely despise them with my entire heart

[buoyant oar]

Is all caps "wrong" necessary?

[uncut zenith]

I tend to treat homebrew like UA and playtest. I may be willing to allow it so long as the player is willing to make necessary changes. So long as the homebrew isn’t irreparably busted from the get-go.

[raw ocean]

If I ever see “called shots” again bro…

[raw ocean]

No but it seems like they wanted to emphasize their point through all caps

[hushed mason]

I assure you, I'm not wrong. There may be more than one answer to the question, but my answer was not 'wrong'.

[buoyant oar]

What is LL anyways

[spiral fox]

now you know how i felt

[hushed mason]

Something about a llama.

[uncut zenith]

LaserLlama

[proven mountain]

Shaman was a published class in 3.5, it just hasn't been brought back for 5e

[uncut zenith]

A relatively popular D&D content creator

[raw ocean]

Player trying to push their “unique” item to get at the start. (It’s just a reskinned wish ring with a single restriction)

[gusty sorrel]

Hi everyone!

[spiral fox]

he has tried to shove LL down my throat so hard, that i now have a deep seeded hatred for LL

[hushed mason]

waves.

[raw ocean]

Hello

[glass granite]

Goooood morning afternoon evening, Wahzzup

[hushed mason]

Chicken buddy!

[raw ocean]

I would of told bro to chill on the LL, and tell him that no means no

[fossil hollow]

please tell me you kicked them from the group

[glass granite]

Chicken owner!

[spiral fox]

i did. today i did. he left the table

[raw ocean]

Hooray!

[hard oasis]

Chicken jockey 🔥🔥

[spiral fox]

he left after i listed in bulleted points, all the ways in which he harassed me for the last 6 months

[hushed mason]

I have to kick a player before the next game, and I'm inclined to tell the two of them that are causing problems to fight it out themselves and decide who stays and who goes.

[buoyant oar]

When a player tells me they are playing a not Approved homebrew option. I laugh.

When they tell me they are serious. I laugh even harder.

[raw ocean]

Hitting players with the “ultimatum” is the best choice ever (after talking)

[spiral fox]

i like creativity. i have player who sat down with me, showed me a HB subclass they made for the base sorcerer, and balanced it with me. that was good. we toned it down to where it felt unique, while not out of place. it was based on aberrant mind

this LL shill, showed up with a class called, Vessel

[buoyant oar]

There is room for millions of creative combinations in 5e already. Imo. If you need more to be creative. That is an issue.

[raw ocean]

Somehow I obtained the “Garlic Bread Domain” inside of my D&D homebrew at some point and I’m still tempted to use it

[spiral fox]

does anyone here know what the abilities of a vessel are?

[raw ocean]

Never looked at it, very interested

[hushed mason]

Sounds like a Binder-type class...

[buoyant oar]

If someone "showed up" with a class I just tell them no

[raw ocean]

To be ignored as a main character and have some white hair blue eyed dude take your spotlight?

[raw ocean]

I tell my DM’s what I’m playing ahead of time even if it’s the most simple of classes

Teamwork makes the dream work

[buoyant oar]

We don't end session zeros without completing character sheets. And we don't start them with character sheets.

[hushed mason]

Folks that come with pre-made characters before they've even heard the plot hook irritate me.

[raw ocean]

Oh my god don’t even get me started

[hushed mason]

THen again, DMs that don't provide a plot hook before hand also irritate me.

[raw ocean]

“Your campaign is cool and it’s medieval right, can I play my warforged ancient robot?”

[hushed mason]

No, they don't exsist on this material plane.

[glass granite]

Actually? I’d be down to accept that depending on how they frame it.

[raw ocean]

They were an ancient weapon

[glass granite]

I’m down still

[raw ocean]

With lost memories, and murderous tendencies

[fossil hollow]

lost me at that last one

[raw ocean]

Imagine a toddler with a gun

[hushed mason]

Murderous tendencies would be a no-go at my table.

[fossil hollow]

losing me even farther

[glass granite]

Lost memories? I’ll see what I can do.
Murderous tendencies? Get this out of my face

[raw ocean]

And a homebrew race

[glass granite]

Didn’t you say they were warforged?

[spiral fox]

VERY CLOSE

• being immune to fire, casting fireball in the middle of a room, with no repurcussions, kamikaze style as a subclass feature! this is a form transformation twice per SR AND LR
• then it targets flamable creatures, makes them to do a CHARISMA saving throw, and they start burning on a fail, taking charisma mod damage. literally Sasuke Uchiha Amaterasu nonsense. How do you stop it? No repeat saves. Go prone, and get back up 💀
• "ok wired, make the enemies immune or resistant." his subclass allows him to make immunities resistances, and resistances normal

he had the audacity to tell me it wasn't overpowered
this was at level 9

[raw ocean]

It was like a war forged variant based off of singularity from dying light

[buoyant oar]

That player gets asked how long they have been playing. If over 1 year they get told to leave.

[glass granite]

And under one year?

[spiral fox]

5 years

[glass granite]

oh wow

[buoyant oar]

Correct their behavior. Ignorance shouldn't be punished

[raw ocean]

I feel bad for some new players that were taught the wrong way and then got ostracized for it

[hushed mason]

The majority of folks I play with are either beginners or veterans. There is no in-between with 3.5.

[green harness]

How good is the new artificer?
Just bought the new book on Beyond last night and haven't made one yet.

[raw ocean]

No idea, heard the new changeling has something really good

[spiral fox]

i ran a one shot for some people yesterday. i also run build playtests and stress tests , to check out the build, cuz the DMG2024 is surprisingly good at that, as a baseline, unlike DMG2014

it was scaled to level 9, and he stomped it, without even trying

[buoyant oar]

I can understand the frustration of learning how to play the game wrong. I don't want to punish people for it. At the same time, the general assumptions that the people that I play with are somewhat literate.

Reading is not that hard if you are literate and the book is right there.

[spiral fox]

we don't talk about 4E
i wasn't there, but oh lawd i ain't DMing 4E

[raw ocean]

Then you get people that think they are so literate, they can use small technicals in the text to power build

[inner silo]

How difficult are shadow monks to be made work in a big team not built around darkness or stealth?

[raw ocean]

Personally, if it makes sense I’ll let it pass in my campaigns. If it’s just a small text saying they can light the giant bear on fire instantly, no.

[buoyant oar]

People who try to bend the rules to say what they aren't rarely get past me and I get called a bad DM for it. But they don't understand is that those insults empower me

[spiral fox]

bro reading just your own character sheet is not hard. if you are spellcasting, that is a whole different story. i would not recommend spell casting to a new timer. but if you are taking 2 mins, to swing your greatsword, then you are wasting everyone's time

[glass granite]

Ummm, if you utilise Darkness well (put it in an object you can easily close it open to release or seal tha darkness without an action), then it can work fairly easily

[buoyant oar]

When someone says.

The book doesn't say I can't do it.

They immediately go on thin ice

[glass granite]

Woah, red flag

[inner silo]

So like just open your mouth at the start of your turn to get advantage, close it at the end so your allies don't have disadvantage and scram?

[buoyant oar]

I got no time for bad faith interpretations of the rules

[glass granite]

Or leave it on some archers while your team whacks the front liner, but yes

[knotty basin]

Put the darkness on your sword and sheath/unsheath it whenever you attack

[spiral fox]

i tried. they were knowingly doing it

[raw ocean]

I wonder if some DM out there ignored a players poison resistance/immunity by saying “it’s venomous damage”

[glass granite]

And of course if you’re in a situation where you don’t need to restrain your darkness, go ham

[tribal isle]

Working part time and trying to maintain consistency with campaigns sucks buns.

[inner silo]

Alrighty, sounds pretty great!

[spiral fox]

i have tried for 6 months. learned my lesson. never again, am i allowing full homebrew classes onto my table again

[whole trail]

Hello I just joined

[spiral fox]

hello Landshark! How has your day been?

[buoyant oar]

I've been told that I'm a very strict DM. And many players have left my table calling me anti-fun.

But the players that have stuck by me have told me that it's not that I'm strict. It's that I have standards for how I will be treated. That's something that every DM needs to adopt. Conflict management should be like a required class

[inner silo]

Shadow monks seem the most fitting to be a sneaky skirmisher

[raw ocean]

New campaign I’m in and the DM gave us some chalk that has random affects based on what we write, writing “judgement” in red chalk on a sword duplicates it?

[whole trail]

Pretty chill I got to dissect a frog in biology, just got out school and am now waiting for bus

[hushed mason]

I suspect you have no shortage of applicants that want to play, though.

[glass granite]

Goooood morning afternoon evening!

[buoyant oar]

I don't have any shortage of applicants to play with. Mainly because I live near metro area. And I make it a point to make my D&D players, friends, not my friends into D&D players

I understand that not everybody has that luxury, however, even if they are your friends, that does not mean that you should tolerate bad treatment.

[inner silo]

@glass granite if I don't want to be a grappler, what's the best strategy to play a monk?

[raw ocean]

Punch alot

[hushed mason]

Tripping specialist? Is that a thing in 5e?

[raw ocean]

New Strat, disarm people then run away as a tabaxi monk

[spiral fox]

i am quite opposite. i reward player creativity, and let them go ham, but if they try to do something too far away from the book, i shut it down. i let people put their rifles on other people's shoulders, to gain advantage, but the shouldering person has to make a CON save, or have disadvantage on d20 check until the end on the next turn. but disarming someone by shooting their hand? no! then what is the point of Disarmaing Attack existing? that is how i rule things. risk and pay-off, but try to illegally recreate things in the book, then nah

[inner silo]

Just walk forward and punch?

[raw ocean]

Yes.

[hushed mason]

"disarming someone by shooting their hand?" sounds like a called shot. I'm pretty sure there are no called shots in D&D.

[spiral fox]

i wouldn't really say i am a stict DM, I just have very little, but EXTREMELY rigid rules

[buoyant oar]

No where did I say that I do not reward creativity. I do all the time. I do not reward bad faith interpretations of the rules.

[glass granite]

Ummmm
My go to actually is either lunch a lot, or use weapons (I like a one level dip in Ranger)

[stuck shuttle]

Not particularly. Like it’s possible to make a tripping build to inflict the prone condition but it’s not particularly in-depth or always advantageous

[buoyant oar]

Things like using create water to fill lungs

[raw ocean]

If a player says “Can I do this”, I’ll think about it. If a player says “it says in the rules I’m able to do this”, I’ll think about it but in an angry way

[spiral fox]

yeah you are right, i phrased it badly. my bad bro <3

[spiral fox]

EXACTLY

[inner silo]

Dipping into ranger sounds interesting, especially since you become a bit of a skill monkey

[raw ocean]

iPhone spelling correction sucks

[buoyant oar]

And when a player says the rules don't prohibit me from doing this. That's when I harsh. Mainly because that kind of weaseling language means that they know they shouldn't be asking what they're asking

[fiery nimbus]

tbh i would make them roll con and be deafened on failure, since you know a gun just went out next to their ear

[inner silo]

And get hunters mark, though your bonus action is stacked already but still

[lavish flame]

Try writing "Elbereth" on the ground when a monster approaches

[raw ocean]

Basically if the player tries to rule as a DM, I’m going to go judge Judy on them

[glass granite]

1 level isn’t enough for expertise, but it is enough for weapon mastery, some spellcasting and a good ol hunters mark

[spiral fox]

they have 20 CON plus Tough, so I let them feel that power fantasy

[raw ocean]

That’s my only job, be a legal rules lawyer and make cool stuff happen

[spiral fox]

and it's a fighter

[fiery nimbus]

aye, so they will have easy time passing the check

[knotty basin]

Where does a barbarian’s damage come from?

[raw ocean]

Sheer will power

[fiery nimbus]

from the weapon

[buoyant oar]

An object in motion swiftly coming to a rest

[knotty basin]

But they only get 1 extra attack

[inner silo]

Right. Well it does sound interesting. Though I'd probably prefer a punchy monk i think. Dual wielding scimitars is pretty sick though

[fiery nimbus]

so they better make it count

[glass granite]

I like using nick weapons with hunters mark. The damage actually isn’t actually that much better if at all, but big number make brain happy

[raw ocean]

It’s like how an 40 year old parent is usually weak until they have to lift a car off of their kid

[inner silo]

They get a bunch of rage and reckless attack stuff iirc

[glass granite]

And brutal strike helps

[spiral fox]

there was this one player who has vital sacrifice and Fiendish Vigor, and long story short, due to some word soup, they had 1200d6 waiting to drop at a moment's notice. that is and average 4800 Psychic damage

...and he got mad a DM banned it
...i later removed him from my table as well

[inner silo]

Lunch?

Like short rest?

[raw ocean]

I’ll allow a one shot attack, but only if their character permanently dies while using it (must be cool as hell too)

[glass granite]

Nom
I play dhampir, and my DM rules in favour of the bite working

[spiral fox]

they do. cuz they are a fighter. but i like your idea. thanks!

[inner silo]

Ohhh

[buoyant oar]

If a player attempted to do 1200 d6 damage. And they're justification could not come from a direct reading of the allowed source books. I would just tell them no and move on to the next person

[spiral fox]

mhmm. but 4800 dmg, not even god can save it

[inner silo]

Wait, actually that's sick

[vast pelican]

By my reading, it's been made less powerful and less fun.

[inner silo]

And it just gave me an idea

[vast pelican]

But I'm aware that other people think differently.

[fiery nimbus]

I am like a butcher with a thumb on the scale
people with lower stat get higher DC than people with high stat

[inner silo]

Are dhampires in 2024 by any chance?

[glass granite]

Yup!

[raw ocean]

Circle casting can let you do that now, but it does take a long while and alot of casters

[inner silo]

Yay!

[buoyant oar]

I haven't read it yet but less power ≠ less fun

[glass granite]

And it’s Dhampir, not Dhampire

[fiery nimbus]

oh i do have a dhampir that feeds on its on familiar

[inner silo]

This actually ties up everything so nice! I don't even have to come up with much of a reason why my character got kicked out of their family and their name forgotten

[glass granite]

Oooo afternoon tea

[tribal isle]

Okay nevermind. I’m good.

[inner silo]

Thanks for correcting!

[tribal isle]

Got worried about IST lmao

[buoyant oar]

They are in the digital book Astarion's Book of Hungers only on DND beyond.

[spiral fox]

exactly. i power game as well, but it's none of this nonsense. the most i do is 1h weapon juggling with Dual Wielder, cuz i like taking advantage of the martial changes in 2024

what even is the point if you can oneshot god?

[glass granite]

Well, you need to figure out how they became a Dhampir. The cause is important.

[spiral fox]

this guy did this on an ATTACK

[fiery nimbus]

Turns out if you are Warlock with the Pact of the Chain you can drink fiendish blood till you burst

[inner silo]

Dhampirs become dhampirs from getting bit by vampires, right?

[stuck shuttle]

That’s one way

[fossil hollow]

thats one way

[stuck shuttle]

Jinx

[glass granite]

That’s one way

[inner silo]

I see

[fossil hollow]

dhamphirs are not limited to being vampire spawn.

[raw ocean]

Hit em with the “You won but at what cost”… (immediately give them bone cancer)

[inner silo]

What are some other things they can be?

[scenic zinc]

There's at least 2 books that tell you about dhampir origins for 5e. Maybe 3.

[glass granite]

They can also be cursed, have a parasite, have it come from their bloodline…

[scarlet carbon]

do people here play the D&D Online steam game

[scenic zinc]

Or you can just make up a reason.

[fossil hollow]

in ravenloft, there was a reccomendation for basically a dream eater or baku baku

[spiral fox]

"write that down!"

[inner silo]

So many great choices to choose from, nice!

[vast pelican]

They took away the level 1 tinkering ability that let the artificer do a number of fun but ultimately useless things. As a replacement...you can make about 5gp of standard adventuring equipment.

[fiery nimbus]

Thank WOTC for the magical prostetics

[glass granite]

Dhampir monks are fun as hell

[inner silo]

And it ties very well with a shadow monk esthetic i think

[raw ocean]

Love hitting players with the “eye for an eye”, Power build = I’m throwing your direct weakness at you and only you

[glass granite]

I’m gonna play an Astral Self Dhampir monk, with the eventual Ranger dip for daggers. That way I can BOTH grapple and slash.

[inner silo]

That sounds really cool

[fossil hollow]

the dhamphir im playing is based off the Philippine's mananangal, echo knight fighter/undead warlock

[clear lark]

Where? In the UA or one of the released books?

[vast pelican]

Sick

[glass granite]

New book

[fossil hollow]

astarion's digital book only on dndbeyond

[inner silo]

Sounds incredible and mad

[spiral fox]

that is perfect. let's you measure their character as well

• if they take it sportingly, you can dial it down, cuz you know they don't mind challenges
• if they start crying, KEEP HITTING THEM WITH MORE OF THEM

[glass granite]

It’s three stats, not too bad

[fossil hollow]

she focused on CHA and DEX

pact of the blade helps

[inner silo]

Right, i forget fighters don't need dex and strength

[glass granite]

I’m reflavouring the astral self arms to be evocations of blood, that can grasp the enemy and strike them with the might of vampiric ancestry and spite

[raw ocean]

I hate it when DM’s see their players doing good and start making every single encounter harder, not every bandit camp is going to be an avenger level threat

[inner silo]

Ngl people saying we don't have enough intelligence casters are pretty funny, considering the strength vs dex divide for martials/halfcasters

[glass granite]

We have two int casters
We have plenty of representatives on both strength and Dex (granted strength kinda needs help)

[inner silo]

I mean, strength is barbarian, paladin sometimes (fully viable with dex) and fighter sometimes (fully viable with dex)
Dex is monk, ranger, rogue, fighter sometimes and paladin sometimes

You can make most of the strength martials work with dex but making dex martials work with strength is a pain

[glass granite]

3 and 4 ain’t that big of a difference

[inner silo]

Wdym?

[glass granite]

Three strength martials, 4 Dex martials

I’m not counting paladin for some reason wait

[inner silo]

Ah, yes. Just saying 2/3 strength martials can easily be played as dex martials without losing much

[glass granite]

I feel like monk is just too weird to make work with strength tho

[inner silo]

Probably

[craggy summit]

it'd be a bit counter intuitive imo, since it'd destroy their AC

[glass granite]

Ranger has a strength equivalent, the only problem is armor.
Strength rogue does exist actually

[raw ocean]

No encumbrance is amazing, I love having 234 swords on my person

[craggy summit]

There's a strength rogue? 🤔

[glass granite]

Again, only problem is armor

[inner silo]

They exist and are playable, just that they're outright worse then their dex builds while the dex builds for strength martials except for barbarian aren't

[glass granite]

Yeah, just not too good

[glass granite]

Fair point

Though, I feel like that’s a problem of Dex being stronger than strength, and less so about the actual classes

[craggy summit]

id imagine so. a str rogue would severely limit their sneak attack, unless you're using a finesse weapon, aswell as their stealth and slight of hand which is their main identity

[glass granite]

Why wouldn’t you use a finesse weapon?

[inner silo]

Strength should get more to do, it has a pretty good but only 1 skill check and the strength save isn't that important

[craggy summit]

Fair fair 😅

[glass granite]

And strogues sometimes get three levels in barb for primal knowledge for advantage too lol
It’s a goofy build

[inner silo]

Some weapon masteries are only avalible for strength weapons. Fighters can bypass that though

[glass granite]

Reckless attack gives free sneak attacks too actually, and you can stealth with strength

[woven flint]

Strength also effects,
Carry Capacity, Jump Distance and a few other physical things, but yeah, its not that great

[inner silo]

Yeah, jump distance is pretty great, idk how many people track carrying capacity, but would like to know

[woven flint]

My harengon wizard seeing that strength effects jump distance, but he has a species related jump that absolutlely doesn't care about it, cinema

[craggy summit]

the other things that strength affects, is usually neglected i feel

[inner silo]

Dex gets some very important skills, one of the most important and common saves, armour class, initiative, ranged weapons and some melee weapons

[rough basalt]

I track capacity

its peak

[clear lark]

I only track encumberance when it is unreasonable. " (spoken in a New Jersey accent)Yo DM we are going to carry all of the gold, work of arts and jeweled chests, weighing a ton or so. Yeah we have no horses or anything, only our back packs and the town is 20 miles away. Alright?"

[sick seal]

So...weird question, but does a dnd session HAVE to strictly follow the rules or can it be deviated from?

Right now i play a basicly no rules dnd session from a dragon worlds pov my partner is a young dragon started out Hatchling, its more of an easy longer one that we do on occasion, but I want to start a new campaign possibly with more people then just 1 on 1 with my partner but ive never done that...just 1 on 1 however ive always hated strict rules too, if i could maybe get some advice on this it would be nice

Ive been considering something simular to a channel called magic the Noah where the guy just throws crazy things at the players and it just gets insane and fun.

[fossil hollow]

that depends entirely on the expectation of the group

some tables follow the rules to the letter, others might discard it entirely

Magic the Noah literally just plays calvinball

[sick seal]

What's calvinball?

[fossil hollow]

no concrete rules, the game cannot be played the same way twice

[vast pelican]

It's a game the titular characters of the comic strip Calvin and Hobbes play.

[sick seal]

Thats basic how im doing it with my partner, but from what i understand here, rules are dependent on group, game, and how tightly it's planned to be followed?

[fossil hollow]

yes

[vast pelican]

I'd say it's hard to actually be playing D&D instead of make believe without any rules.

Additional players will likely be expecting something different.

[sick seal]

That gives me alot more to work with, I thought it was supposed to be stricter to rules but if it deppends I can make it to where it has just enough to work with a group while not being over bearing or too many to try and focus on

[clear lark]

Maybe this will help? https://discord.com/channels/516367331358801950/1124085561649541140

[glass granite]

It can range from barely being dnd to being as strict to the books as possible, but yes it’s gotta be discussed first. Most tables are close to the rules with personal deviations.

[sick seal]

Lemme check that out rq, also the people id potential have added struggle already with rules and stuff and would be new to it, so too many rules could lead to confusion but too little may also be confusing

[raw ocean]

Recently became the note taker amongst the party, it's very fun changing stuff around occasionally to keep them on their toes

[glass granite]

That’s evil

[inner silo]

How needed is tavern brawler on a monk?

[glass granite]

Not needed, but I like it

[raw ocean]

False hydra reincarnated as a player

[clear lark]

Moderately needed. I found it to be helpful when you get more attacks and higher martial dice

[inner silo]

Alrighty

Can find familiar be cast as a ritual spell if you don't have the spellcasting feature or spell slots?

Like if you're a martial with magic initiate

[glass granite]

The only things you normally use there are the rerolls on 1’s, and the push, which isn’t that necessary

[bronze wave]

Don’t you need certain things to be able to ritual cast?

[inner silo]

Alrighty

[bronze wave]

Like not every class can even ritual cast even the spellcasters

[inner silo]

Wait what

[raw ocean]

My character has recently also obtained three owl pets that trade almond water, almond bars, and carpet tile amongst each over

[glad arch]

Yeh the class needs to mention it

[raw ocean]

They are always gambling, but I don't know what they are gambling on

[glass granite]

You’re playing in the backrooms?

[bronze wave]

I will all my classes to have ritual casting. It works out usually

[jolly venture]

Just noticing that now when you make any roll in dnd beyond, it asks to click again "roll to everyone". How do you disable that? I just want to make an athletics check

[raw ocean]

Like cosmic horror-esque campaign, there is a backrooms and we exactly opened a gate to it and they flew out

Then we closed the gate so nothing too crazy came out!

I have one old owl on my head, and 2 young ones on my shoulders

I named them, Uno, Dos, and Quatro

[inner silo]

I'm pretty sure this isn't the case

[clear lark]

I've never seen that popup on the digital sheet.

[bronze wave]

I don’t think smth like Paladin can ritual cast while wizard does (in the spell casting it verbatim says wizard can whike Paladin has 0 mention)

[fossil hollow]

in 2024, all classes can ritual cast

[bronze wave]

Another 2024 w

[inner silo]

It just says you need to have the spell prepared

[fossil hollow]

wizard mentions it because they can ritual cast spells they arent preparing but is in their spellbook

[inner silo]

Can magic initiate ritual cast?

[jolly venture]

does anyone know how to help?

[fossil hollow]

if it has the ritual tag, it can be ritual casted

[inner silo]

Even if you don't have the spellcasting feature?

Like even if your class isn't a caster?

[fossil hollow]

https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/dnd/br-2024/rules-glossary#Ritual

rules for casting rituals

[smoky kite]

Does anyone have a dnd campaign that I could maybe join

[fossil hollow]

#find-a-game

[smoky kite]

Ohh Oki thx

[rough basalt]

I track it entirely even down to coin weight

[fossil summit]

Hey everyone, can you give me your stupidest Vicious Mockeries?

I saw "went to thine dungeon all thy monsters knew me" and i want more of that

[fair summit]

Random question, but would anyone have an idea for a low(ish?) CR monster a mage / wizard might have as a group of allies?
Basically, think necromancer vibes but not zombie 😛

[fossil summit]

Awakened shrub?

Many constructs

Animated armor, brooms, the like

[fair summit]

Mm, first gives more druid specific vibes, the second an artificer 🤔

[fossil hollow]

crawling hands

[fossil summit]

Animated armor isn't a machine, it's literally an empty suit of armor that moves by magic.

[fair summit]

Again sounds more necromancy 😛

[fossil summit]

Animated broom is straight out from Fantasia

[fair summit]

Ah yee, was more referenceing the "many constructs" -part without having gotten to the specifics yet, sadly for reasons I'm not sure they'd work lol

[fossil summit]

Awakened furniture?

Any familiar?

Sphinx of Wonder is always the right answer.

[fair summit]

Looking for monster vibes, not so much animated stuff, I suppose 😛
Familiars were a thought, but they feel like more.. well, familiar lol. Like you'd have one for utility, not so much for combat

[raw ocean]

Who said you coulden't tape a gun to your dog?

[fossil summit]

Then an aberrant spirit, for sure.

Beholderkin my beloved

[fossil hollow]

you said necromancer

[glass granite]

That you did

[fair summit]

Fair, I meant more in the way of "Like a necromancer as in has a group of lot of monsters"

[raw ocean]

If you get a limb cut off, can't you just get a necromancer to resurrect it and give you control over it?

[fair summit]

But without the undead theme

[fossil hollow]

mephits

[fossil summit]

A pseudodragon? Hardly low cr

[fair summit]

Oh shoot, mephits might work 👀

[raw ocean]

I can already see a DM crying trying to sort a 38 turn order

and players crying too since they have to wait 12 minutes for their turn

[glass granite]

Only 12?!

[fair summit]

Haha this is definitely me as a DM planning to throw a massive swarm at the party. Just didnt wanna go with necromancer route if possible 😏

[fossil hollow]

you can make them one hits and also make swarm statblocks for them

[raw ocean]

Don't need an actual turn order for a swarm, you can always go down the route of having a swarm surround them being blocked by some light source, then it goes out randomly and they have to fight 3-4 every once in a while

[woven flint]

Me, In Ti-Moths Titanic Upheaval Campaign, waiting 30 minutes between my turns /hj

[fossil hollow]

im tryiiiing

[gleaming lodge]

I was reading some of the 5.5e rules, and apparently giant birds can't be wildshaped into anymore?

[fossil hollow]

yeah, giant eagle is celestial now, giant vulture is fiend, and giant owl is fey

[gleaming lodge]

Respectfully, that's stupid.

[foggy river]

All three should be either Beasts, or Magical Beasts.

[fossil hollow]

not a fan of that change myself, but i get why

Magical beasts isnt a category in 5e

[gleaming lodge]

Maybe it's just the biologist in me talking, but "monstrosity" is all but meaningless as a category to me. Like, half the things in it are just strange magical animals.

[valid geyser]

oh yeah it sucks moon druids dont have any high CR flying options anymore

even non moon druids, i dont think there are CR 1s

[frail wasp]

the change has nothing to do with biology

[valid geyser]

makes me feel like it was an intentional design choice, albeit a bizarre one

[gleaming lodge]

I know; it's just an odd choice.

[fossil hollow]

yeah, the change is more thematic

giant eagles being celestial is probably a callback to the giant eagles of lotr

[fossil hollow]

quetzal is still a thing, even if its cr 2 and not core

[valid geyser]

that is true, but i think a flying beast above CR 1/2 is just such a strange omission from the monster manual

and your only option outside of the monster manual being a huge sized dinosaur seems, unintended

and the only non bird animal this changed happen to afaik is the giant elk

[fossil hollow]

giant hyena miiight be monstrosity or fiend?

[valid geyser]

beast

[fossil hollow]

yeah, weird

[valid geyser]

just makes me feel like someone at wotc didnt want level 8+ druids to be flying around with large animals

[gleaming lodge]

OK, now this is getting ridiculous. If it's recognisable as an animal from our own world, why isn't it a beast?

[fossil hollow]

giant elk are associated with elves and the feywild

like the one the elven king rode in the hobbit

Thranduil?

[valid geyser]

i mean giant elks are celestial, so i can only assume it's some sort of upper planes dweller

[gleaming lodge]

OK, fair, but that doesn't mean they need to be a fey.

[fossil hollow]

DAMMIT, not even Fey?!

ok, i have to assume its some connection to artemis or other hunt gods now

[raw ocean]

Capybara?

[fossil hollow]

... giant capybara i can see being fey

[valid geyser]

my thoughts too, just as a connection to the beastlands

[raw ocean]

Yes.

[fossil hollow]

10 ft emanation of charm/calm emotions

[valid geyser]

but overall i feel the creature type change being unneccessary when the DMG says you can change creature types for your encounters

[raw ocean]

Vulnerable to all damage but has 10000000 health

[fossil hollow]

nah, they just charm everything to not attack them

[gleaming lodge]

So, I could just make whatever I wanted a beast - within reason - and that'd be fine?

[valid geyser]

if youre the DM, sure

[raw ocean]

And then anything that does attack them, get's immediately jumped by the entire fey wild

[gleaming lodge]

Cool!

[fossil hollow]

DM has final say. i know iv turned many a beast into a Construct when the party was approaching the god of a forge's home

[gleaming lodge]

Now I want to run an ecology-focused campaign where the party are all magical conservationists.

[raw ocean]

"Hey uh, you guys remember where we put that rapidly evolving virus?"

[fossil hollow]

kinda have a similar campaign with inspiration from the godzilla movies and monster hunter

[raw ocean]

"It seems like it's jar broke open."

[snow agate]

today we learned that the alien we were studying was a teenager this whole time so she actually doesnt know much aside from the apocalyptic doomsday revelation that the overseers might eat the planet since the warding on the planet expired

[primal imp]

Trying to decide if I wanna shell out for more books for the holiday season. Are any of the following books pretty good value? Fizban’s Treasury of Dragons, The Book of Many Things, Bigby Presents: Glory of the Giants, and the Griffon’s Saddlebag: Book Two

[fossil hollow]

theyre all great books

i especially am a fan of fizban and bigby, although having the ai copy of bigby horts my soul

one day theyll reprint the alt cover with no ai art

[raw ocean]

They used AI art?

[fossil hollow]

ai assisted

[raw ocean]

Im not angry, just dissapointed.

[fossil hollow]

one of the artists had ai assisted art

[glass granite]

Hi not angry, just disappointed, I’m Nugget

[raw ocean]

I just cursed you with your next 100 players to be power players that constantly want to argue RAW rules with you