dnd-discussion

[hollow stone]

i have one character who doesn't "talk" to people because they're a machine whos entire perceived existence is "they say, i do.", and that's hell because i thought that the oneshot wouldn't be taking this long. not talking to people is not very fun

[cinder timber]

Do wizards get thst?

[oak grotto]

They can, yes.

Wizards can get multiple support spells.

[delicate owl]

Some groups im in definitely need to learn consideration of others though. No one should feel the need to speak over someone to get any words in.

[woven flint]

Wizards are like.. one of THE support casters of all time even if they don't have like 5 morbillion buffs or healing

[oak grotto]

Haste, enhance ability, enlarge, etc...

[cinder timber]

Oh I see. I need to read my spells

[woven flint]

A lot of wizards support comes from Area/Crowd Control

[cinder timber]

Anyways, if he is the best option, I may cast haste on him

[silver dock]

what is unearthed arcana?

[hollow stone]

beta testing

[rough basalt]

Playtest material, like frog said, basically beta testing

[silver dock]

ah ok ok

[rough basalt]

It's also a magic item shop in the city of Greyhawk in the Greyhawk setting

and the name of a popular homebrew reddit

[umbral girder]

Clerics get face skills as part of they starting level is why

[shy stirrup]

And a 1e supplement in 1985 which introduced the Barbarian class to a wider audience, and a 3e supplement...the name has come to be associated with, shall we say, experimental rules, spells, etc.

[silver dock]

can a mage hand be used to snuff out candles?

[glad arch]

The hand can physically interact with other objects so i dont see why holding the candle wick (which then sniffs the flame) wouldnt work

[stray sage]

how good is magic initiate for paladins?

[glad arch]

Depends, got anything specific in mind

[stray sage]

chill touch for ranged damage, mage hand for utility and absorb elements for defense

[hollow stone]

are you doing '14 rules?

[stray sage]

yeah

[hollow stone]

okei, yea, just make sure they're on the spell list of the Magic Initiate CHA caster, or whichever matches the Paladin stat

[stray sage]

they are on the sorcerer spell list, so i went with that

[hollow stone]

yea that's good then

[umbral girder]

Just remember material components since a holy symbol won’t help with that when using Magic Initiate

[hollow stone]

oh yea def acquire a Component Pouch

[stray sage]

so they are a good choice of spells for paladin?

[hollow stone]

i mean yea they're good spells in general

[hidden spindle]

Chill Touch, Absorb Elements, & Mage Hand don't have Material Components. You would need to have a free hand to cast'm

[umbral girder]

I don’t know on absorb elements

Magic initiate is only 1 use in 2014

Can’t use slots like you can in 2024

Likely want something that lasts longer

Then again there isn’t that many options in the Sorcerer spell list

[inner silo]

Can you replace the nick weapon mastery attack with your beast attack as a beast master?

[valid geyser]

no

actually maybe im not sure

ok probably

[inner silo]

Alrighty, then great! Thanks!

[hollow stone]

wait is beast attack a bonus action?

[rotund shell]

yes

[hollow stone]

you wouldn't be able to replace it, but because the Nick mastery merges your offhand attack into your Attack action, you could still use the Bonus Action to do the Beast Attack

[valid geyser]

you can replace one of your own attacks from the attack action with a beast attack

[inner silo]

Ohh. Then shucks

[hollow stone]

does that work with the offhand attack??

[valid geyser]

i dont see why it wouldnt for nick. It's an attack you make with the attack action

[hollow stone]

huh, then i guess it would work(?) @inner silo

[inner silo]

Alrighty, then great!

[humble cairn]

Yes, should work.

[timid anvil]

The Nick attack is specifically for weapons with the light property. But given the uncertainty of how Nick actually works it is a grey area

[humble cairn]

Also this is a #dnd-rules question

[inner silo]

Mb

But now i finally have the build

[buoyant oar]

Just watched a video with a thumbnail that read "How Faerûn killed medieval fantasy." And

My god. How some people exist so confidently incorrect about everything they say is astounding

[inner silo]

Shillelaugh ranger with a club and a dagger

[hidden spindle]

There's a bit of debate on whether or not you have to choose the attack to forego at the time of taking the Attack Action.

[humble cairn]

Clever

You don't actually use the dagger, you just have it in hand to give the Companion an attack? Though ... once your companion starts being able to use their own BA for stuff you'll want to stop that.

[umbral girder]

Yep my thoughts on it as well.

[inner silo]

Yup! I think considering rangers get some stuff to use as a bonus action it could still be useful even later on but by then i might ask for the dm to give me a daggler

[humble cairn]

Beast Master has great action economy, it's like they're a character and a half in one. But that relies on you using your BA for the Companion.

[inner silo]

Thanks!

[humble cairn]

Though this also denies you the use of a shield.

[valid geyser]

also i say ranger already benefits a ton from dual wielding

[humble cairn]

Shillelagh Ranger not as much.

[inner silo]

Yeah, thats been the idea. A shield doesn't really fit my character as much so i wanted to find a way to make a good shillelaugh build without using it. By later levels when nick strategy falls off a bit though i might access having to use a shield though

[valid geyser]

I mean if you have Dual wielder and HM up, that's practically four attacks a turn that each get a d6 bonus, plus your teeny subclass damage booster for most subclasses. Not hard to consistently get like 40 damage every round at like level 5

[humble cairn]

Yes, for a dual wielding Ranger, but again this doesn't help a specifically Shillelagh focused build as much.

[valid geyser]

i had a really fun shillelagh build, the only multiclass build i loved which was like, fighter 6 cleric X. Takes a while to get running but oh god it's fun when it's running

[inner silo]

Don't forget setting up hunters mark and swapping it eats up a bonus action

[valid geyser]

true, true

[humble cairn]

Early on, trying to get your HM up before combat starts can be a good tactic.

[inner silo]

Imagine getting something like a club of shillelaugh to be able to have shillelaugh on two clubs at the same time and dual wield them

[humble cairn]

Interesting that you consistently add a u to that word.

Most times when people misspell that word they do it on purpose and call it Shalala or something.

[inner silo]

I thought it was supposed to be there

[umbral girder]

Notably you cannot have Shillelagh on two clubs at the same time

[humble cairn]

Shillelagh

[unreal rock]

They haven't made any announcements of new books in about a year and it's starting to get weird.

[umbral girder]

The spell ends early if you cast it again.

[inner silo]

Thanks!

[valid geyser]

i mean it doesnt help that most people dont understand how irish words are pronounced

[humble cairn]

Sha-LAY-lee

[inner silo]

You can't have or you can't cast shillelagh on two weapons?

[umbral girder]

Shill -augh/jk

[valid geyser]

ok i was about to give a pop quiz for people on how its pronounced

[humble cairn]

Yeah those Celtic origin words throw me for a loop.

[umbral girder]

You can only have the spell on 1 weapon at a time

[humble cairn]

You cannot

[inner silo]

I see

[knotty basin]

Shilly log

[umbral girder]

So if you cast Shillelagh on a different weapon it ends it on the previous one

[humble cairn]

Celtic origin names also Anglicize really weird. Aoife = EEH-fa

[inner silo]

How broken would a shillelagh club that's just a club be with shillelagh effects on it permanently?

[valid geyser]

geas is pronounced gesh

[umbral girder]

A good deal. Especially for Gish builds

[knotty basin]

My DM gave me this in CoS. It also does radiant damage

[valid geyser]

itd be pretty strong but not like, broken broken

at the cost of stuff like a +X i can see it being worthwhile

[umbral girder]

There is a reason it’s an entire invocation, previously an entire subclass that was good because of it

[humble cairn]

Strong enough to be build defining.

[inner silo]

I see

Well if we get a luck blade i might ask for it as one of the wishes then

Though it wouldn't be that strong i feel as club doesn't have nick

[humble cairn]

Oh my Shillelagh Ranger uses Quarterstaff for Topple.

[inner silo]

Sounds great!

[knotty pasture]

Probably a rare magical item level of strong

[inner silo]

Alrighty

[knotty pasture]

Assuming no other effects ofc

[uncut zenith]

It’s almost like it’s a moderator’s job to moderate the server or something

[cosmic roost]

https://media-waterdeep.cursecdn.com/attachments/0/828/c2-16.png

[coarse ravine]

Considering it's a entire cantrip....

As well as you can't put the club down normally

If the club always has the spell on it. Id say it's on the lower end of rare

[inner silo]

You could say the club activates it still as a bonus action, just it activates the effect on its own so it stacks with your shillelagh

[coarse ravine]

Yes this would make it uncommon

[lavish flame]

i really dont think a 1 handed 1d8 weapon is anything to write home about

[coarse ravine]

Using your wis mod is

[lavish flame]

is it?

[inner silo]

i mean, its light so its dualwieldable and the damage goes up to 2d6

[coarse ravine]

I mean yes it is.... it's 1d8 +wis mod ain't it?

[inner silo]

that too

[lavish flame]

this is barely mathematically different to a longsword

[coarse ravine]

Yes but casters and fighters are different

[inner silo]

you cant dual wield a long sword

and cant use wisdom on a long sword

[coarse ravine]

If the caster can also damage the same as the fighter... but none of my druids had sheleleigh

[lavish flame]

what spellcaster is occupying both of their hands with a melee weapon

[coarse ravine]

Besides the spores druid....

[inner silo]

ig so

[coarse ravine]

Worcester i guess....... I mean I've done it with moon sickle and staff of woodlands

Technically both weapons.

[lavish flame]

a quarterstaff isn't a Druid focus

[inner silo]

thats actually a good point. this would work with a staff (the spell can be used on staffs as spell casting focus) but not with a club so no dual wield

[coarse ravine]

Kinda is

[lavish flame]

just straight up isnt

[coarse ravine]

It's made from wood.

I'll have to go read it again.

[wraith kelp]

omagah

[lavish flame]

ah i stand corrected, a wooden staff also functions as a quarterstaff

[inner silo]

war caster ig?

[karmic pendant]

a warlock with pact of the blade probably can still needs warcaster feat though

[coarse ravine]

Yes, a quarterstaff can absolutely be a druidic focus in D&D 5e. While a regular cheap quarterstaff isn't automatically a focus, a specially crafted wooden staff that functions as a quarterstaff can serve as your druidic focus

Chat gpt.

[inner silo]

Actually theres a common magic item that solves this whole problem

[lavish flame]

i think we are seriously blowing this out of proportion tho. This is on par with a level 1 Warlock feature.

[inner silo]

ruby of the war mage can make any weapon a spell casting focus

[coarse ravine]

I think the original problem was shileleigh as a item

[inner silo]

Shellilagh costs a bonus action to activate though and lasts only a minute so yeah

[coarse ravine]

Rarity......

[wraith kelp]

guys ..

[inner silo]

Yeah essentially. I`m just realising that a club cant be a focus

[umbral girder]

Yeah and the question was “what if it was permanent”

[clear lark]

Chat gpt or the likes should be take with a grain of salt. Nothing in the PhB requires the staff to be specialty crafted in any way.

[coarse ravine]

So is there another item that let's you cast firebolt? Or thornwhip? Or any other cantrip besides spell scrolls

[inner silo]

Yup, that was the original idea

[wraith kelp]

i got banned from dnd group cuz i couldnt play last session bc of a test so i got baned 🙁

[stuck shuttle]

Rip sorry to hear that

[inner silo]

ngl bad group tbh

[coarse ravine]

I think it's basically meaning if druid is holding wood you are fine

[coarse ravine]

Was this after multiple missed sessions?

Or the first overall session?

[karmic pendant]

did you say why before the session? but even then they shouldn't have banned you

[coarse ravine]

Communication is huge yes

[wraith kelp]

well maybe 2 out of 10 missed

[stuck shuttle]

Nope, the Quarterstaff item and the Wooden Staff item are distinct items in the PHB. It's not a very significant difference, but it is there

[wraith kelp]

welp i couldnt cuz my mom wouldnt let me to go on my pc or any other electronics until i study enough

[woven flint]

Our Monk got a hold of a gun last session >->

[inner silo]

but fr being able to use your beasts attack in exchange for a nick attack is actually very balanced and can be great storytelling wise if you make the nick weapon something that conncts you to your beast

[knotty pasture]

I know a homebrewed Scimitar that simply used whatever spellcasting modifier based on the user and that's an uncommon

[coarse ravine]

Not all druids are animal dwellers

[inner silo]

i see

[inner silo]

This is for a ranger beastmaster

[knotty pasture]

This light weapon with Shillelagh, even if its permanent, wouldn't be anything more than a rare

[burnt valley]

Druid lorax

[coarse ravine]

Can rangers get shileleigh ?

[woven flint]

Druid named Grug

[knotty pasture]

In fact it may as well as be uncommon, I thought it was a quarterstaff for some reason

[coarse ravine]

Correct

[inner silo]

druidic warrior or guide background

[woven flint]

Grug the Druid

[inner silo]

alrighty

[coarse ravine]

I think it's rare if it's permanent no bonus required. Uncommon if it's just the cantrip for the weapon

[umbral girder]

Yeah rangers got a fighting style for 2 Druid cantrips since Tasha’s

[inner silo]

sadly cant dual wield with quarterstaffs

[knotty pasture]

Depends if its a simple or martial weapon

If simple, I can see arguments towards it being rare, but otherwise uncommon

[inner silo]

clubs and quarterstaffs are simple weapons

[knotty pasture]

I mean the homebrew weapon you were mentioning cuz you said it was light

[umbral girder]

It’s the sticks they use to hit people with

[coarse ravine]

You mean 2 handed? Or dual wield like one each hand

[inner silo]

ah. club is light

[inner silo]

one per hand

[knotty pasture]

Oh its a club? Eh I'll still lean towards uncommon idk

[coarse ravine]

I used to do moon sickle and quarterstaff...but maybe that was just allowed idk

Worcester tho.

[inner silo]

I`ll ask my dm about this as mechanically the only difference is that quarter staffs can be used as foci and i wont pick up PAM

[inner silo]

alrighty

[knotty pasture]

The only other class that might make use of this weapon is Cleric and Clerics have a fair amount of weapon proficiencies

[coarse ravine]

Monk, druid, cleric

[knotty pasture]

Even more if they're subclasses like Twilight or War

[coarse ravine]

Ranger too

[knotty pasture]

Monks likely have higher dex than wis, I don't think they'll be running clubs either

[inner silo]

btw in 24 all clerics can get proficiency in all weapons

[coarse ravine]

I mean some run around with weapons

Certain subclasses.

[inner silo]

kensei i think it was called

[knotty pasture]

No like Monks have a trait that allows them to use their dex modifier if its a Monk weapon

Why run a magical club when you can run a spear that uses dex

[coarse ravine]

Yes but if they got a wis weapon they can use wis. It's optional

Not optimal but optional.

[inner silo]

magic club does more damage in this case

[knotty pasture]

They usually have higher dex than wis so that's obsolete

Its also a magical weapon so I doubt they come in pairs but if they do go for it

Druids could just pack their own Shillelagh, Clerics we just covered

[inner silo]

the dame would be the same but with club being light and 1 handed and requiring a ba to activate

Lowkey wizards with sillelagh

oh right its wisdom restricted

[knotty pasture]

Monks do rely a bit heavily on their BA as well

[inner silo]

a shillelagh rogue?

[knotty pasture]

This gets weirder by the second

Its fine for magical items to be situational, Rogues stacking wis would have been too questionable

[knotty basin]

Menacing is such a cool feat, shame it only works on humanoids

[inner silo]

i mean, wisdom is good and this would be a bit more damage. Not that its good and i definitely wouldnt do it but it could work i think

[inner silo]

what does it do?

[knotty pasture]

This is too reliant on the Rogue only sticking with these clubs, Rogue'd be a lot more useless if he has to swap out these clubs for more traditional Rogue weapons

The rapier is also right there with 1d8 damage, and doesn't step into Rogue's reliance on BAs

[knotty basin]

You can use an attack to make a contested intimidation check. If you succeed, it frightens that creature for a turn

It’s UA

[inner silo]

i see. sounds pretty strong

[knotty basin]

On fighters, sure

[inner silo]

shillelagh does 1d10 from level 5 and d12 from level 11 iirc

[knotty pasture]

I'd keep rapiers if it meant not being bound to one weapon for the rest of the run

[inner silo]

yeah thats true. Thats the downside of shillelaugh

[knotty pasture]

But it also seems you're convinced it'd be legit so go for it

[inner silo]

two technically. Quarterstaff is there and it has topple so advantage

[limber trail]

As a rogue you’re probably more concerned with Dex than your spellcasting mod anyhow

[knotty pasture]

... Why are you running Quarterstaves on Rogue again

[inner silo]

i like the esthetic of a rapier more so id still use a rapier. just saying it seems legit

[marble lion]

topple to get advantage for sneak attack i think

[limber trail]

…vex exists

[knotty pasture]

Its not a finesse weapon so it can't sneak attack, unless you're planning to topple > back away > ranged sneak attack

[inner silo]

also true. Dex is also way more thematic and better ac

[marble lion]

yeah true

[inner silo]

isnt sneak attack usable on all simple weapons?

[knotty pasture]

No, only on finesse

[umbral girder]

Finesse and ranged weapons

[inner silo]

ohh i see. Then yeah, shillelagh wont work

[knotty pasture]

Shillelagh's main goal is for spellcasters to have some self defense anyways

Forcing it on martials no matter their damage output falls short some way or the other

[limber trail]

There’s a lot of classes which benefit from it

Rogue ain’t one of them

Some rangers can get value out of it

[knotty pasture]

Ranger's probably the only one that could make it work, but one has to build around wisdom Ranger first

But planning your build around a magical weapon eventually dropping is uhh

[inner silo]

considering 3/4 ranger subclasses use wisdom quite a lot it could be considered optimal

[molten karma]

Wsup

[knotty pasture]

Its an option, stacking dex is still better overall

[clear lark]

On a failed Con save anyway

[knotty pasture]

But wisdom Rangers is also legit

Strength Rangers are the ones that need a multiclass to not feel so awkward

[limber trail]

Not every ranger is focused on melee attacks and subclasses like beast master can clog up the bonus action

[inner silo]

I mean, youll have worse spellcasting and subclass features unless youre a hunter which is by far the weakest subclass

[knotty pasture]

You can make do with 14-16 wis, you aren't actually throwing around spells like a wizard here

[inner silo]

Thats true, you can spend your attack to make the attack with your beast though

[limber trail]

Still awkward

But yes

[knotty pasture]

Like the spells I find myself using on Ranger is Entangle, Spike Growth, Pass without Trace, Protection from Energy

You don't need high wis to make them work out

[limber trail]

You can also make a completely viable build as a ranger which has 14 dex 20 wis

Either works

[inner silo]

true. you dont really have any abilities relying on dex either though and you have medium armour proficiency. I do think dex rangers are cooler and a ranged ranger is probably the best one but for melee rangers shillelagh will fit much better then any other weapon im guessing

[knotty basin]

I wonder if the UA martial ranger is any good

[knotty pasture]

Dex is just an overall good stat to stack

[inner silo]

yeah its very versatile. wisdom can be very good too though

[knotty pasture]

For melee rangers I'd still go dex Ranger but wisdom Ranger isn't bad

Strength Rangers are the only ones that are kind of forced to do melee

[inner silo]

what weapon would you use?

[knotty pasture]

Rapier + Shield or dual Shortswords/Scimitars

[inner silo]

i see

[raw ocean]

Shield + Shield combo

[inner silo]

that could work on a cleric as their foci can be put into their shield or an artificer

[knotty pasture]

They unfortunately don't do damage, I did try to convince my DM to let me buy a dozen shields as a shitpost idea but he stopped me

[knotty basin]

Nope, it’s written horribly and does little damage

[inner silo]

yeah youd be full caster

[knotty pasture]

Its a bad idea to run dual shields anyways even if its legit

[hollow stone]

why not? twelve shields is a very funny idea

[inner silo]

why?

[knotty pasture]

I think he was concerned about me griefing the team

Shared gold and here I am dumping a dozen gp into a shield that I'll never use

[hollow stone]

you could use Smith Tools to make armor from them

[hollow stone]

oh yea that's evil

[knotty pasture]

Having absolutely 0 self defense ain't it, using disengage every time anyone gets close is boring too

[inner silo]

grab a cantrip

[knotty pasture]

There's cantrips that ignore distance but eh

[inner silo]

shocking grasp is disengage with damage if you hit

[knotty pasture]

Be prepared for every scenario rather than relying it all on things not going wrong

[knotty basin]

Uhh mods

[inner silo]

besides with double shields even if the enemy is upclose theyre not likely to hit you

[silent pike]

I got a wizard joke build that can run over 250ft a round :D

[knotty pasture]

Its only +2 AC, its nice but its better to attack back

[limber trail]

I’m curious how you made this happen

[inner silo]

cantrip though. as a caster your weapons wont deal too much damage

[limber trail]

250 is a weird number to hit

[bronze wave]

Why tho

[silent pike]

Any spiecies, +speedy feat(mobile in 2014) + long strider + experditious retreat + haste + bladesinger

[knotty pasture]

The few classes that can run shields also have some proficiency with weapons outside of quarterstaves and daggers so in early levels their melee attacks could match cantrips in power

[limber trail]

I don’t remember my record for a theoretical build but it was higher than the speed of sound

[silent pike]

For a one shot that require stealth and speed

[bronze wave]

Ah

[knotty basin]

Combine this with 2024 conjure animals and you can kill people just by walking in circles

[hollow stone]

i really want a shield as a weapon, but i guess i'm limited to reflavoring other weapons

[knotty pasture]

Improvised melee weapon perhaps?

[inner silo]

your strength or dex will be lower then your casting ability. I could see something like a rapier be used but by level three i think it will most likely be outshined

[knotty basin]

There’s a feat for shield bashing I believe

[inner silo]

1d4 bludgeoning?

[silent pike]

Nice

[knotty pasture]

Not by too much, 14 dex is the golden standard

[limber trail]

So Expeditious Retreat and Haste are each concentration, so you need someone to maintain one of them on you

[hollow stone]

yea but i think you need another weapon for that

[knotty basin]

Also, 2024 conjure animals is really badly written

[silent pike]

Oh there is another warcaster wizard casting haste on me

[knotty basin]

You can just move five feet and do the damage again

[inner silo]

that would give you +2 to hit and make your damage with a rapier a 1d8+2. At level 5 your shocking grasp would likely have +4 to hit and do 2d8 damage+the enemy cant do opportunity attacks. It might be wrong for 2014 though so please correct me

[limber trail]

Usually assuming spells other people are casting on you is a bad idea when it comes to calculating what you can do

[knotty pasture]

Which's mostly why I said its during early levels, past level 5 your cantrips get a damage improvement so high that it starts overshadowing melee

Which is when you stop using melee altogether besides opportunity attacks

[inner silo]

ah, okay. Sorry i probably missed it, my bad, apologies

Thanks for the discussion @knotty pasture !

[knotty pasture]

I sometimes lowkey wish there's a limited pings role

[inner silo]

Sorry!

[limber trail]

You can suppress different types of pings in notification settings

[timid current]

Or just add it to your name

As you may have reasons to keep pings available for other discord servers & people

[old sluice]

Though if there is one thing you really need to do for comfort, it's turning off message requests from this server. Trust me on this. I got three scammers every week until I did.

[marble lion]

i never get any

there must be something about the profile that turns scammers away, i have no idea

[old sluice]

Tell me your secret.

[raw ocean]

Can't wait to use foresight to cheat at the casino

DM said the casino has anti-magic fields

[shy stirrup]

As a proper casino in a D&D world would 🙂

[fiery lion]

guys i was wondering for the 2014 edition for dnd do u think the life domain is more fun than the tempest domain. Also how good is the tempest domain at healing?

[valid geyser]

if you've got a 9th level spell, you probably have more money than you could reasonably need

pay for like, roads or something. Give back to the community, and then when you have something to lose, you can gamble

[raw ocean]

I have +9 in sleight of hand anyways

[raw ocean]

I need lots of money to buy awaken scrolls, so I can make an army of sentient horses

[valid geyser]

i suppose that is giving back to the community in a way

[raw ocean]

Im then going to release them into the wild

After teaching them magic...

[valid geyser]

i can only see positive outcomes

[loud tendon]

Horses are already sentient.

[raw ocean]

I mean as in enough intelligence to learn common, sorry for the confusion.

[valid geyser]

if youre using the dictionary definition, yes.

[loud tendon]

As opposed to???

[spice stump]

is it possible to transition a dnd 2014 campaign into a 2024 campaign

for better balancing

[raw ocean]

Yeah

[valid geyser]

the informal definition people sometimes use, closer in line to "sapient" or of humanlike intelligence

[raw ocean]

Time to use find familiar to cheat in the casino

Although I should think of some other back up plans

[loud tendon]

It feels less an "informal definition" and more like a common mistake people make using terms... however its not really a point that needs arguing. I get it. 🙂

[loud tendon]

As Mr Mercer famously says - you can certainly try.

Shenanigans can be fun in game sometimes.

[raw ocean]

The money is fun, but the thrill is real!

[fiery lion]

anyone?

[valid geyser]

sure enough. I just kinda figured that if everyone understood what they meant to say, then there's not really a problem in an informal space such as this, but yeah back to d&d talk

[red steppe]

Invisible familiar

[raw ocean]

Anti-magic field around the entire casino, and cameras im assuming

[shy stirrup]

If you think you can outsmart your DM,
You can certainly try 🙂

In fact, I'd welcome you to try

[still plover]

"The tempest domain was a deity domain associated with the wrath of nature and its destructive powers."

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say they probably don't specialise in it, so you get standard cleric rates for healing.

[raw ocean]

My first plan is just straight up cheating using my hands [+9 to sleight of hand]

[fiery lion]

thanks

[raw ocean]

Second plan is using find familiar and bringing it into the casino with me

[valid geyser]

just in general in 2014 healing is kinda mid, even most of the best healers aren't going to be doing insane healing

[shy stirrup]

And do what, steal chips? Currency? Flick the roulette ball to where you want it to go?

[valid geyser]

even in 2024 to an extend, it's just a little better

but healing is still always a good thing to have, it's just trying the mindset of being the healer class

[raw ocean]

Bribe a worker for an official casino deck, slip the optimal cards into my sleeve, and you know the rest

basic plan but basic is good

[shy stirrup]

A bold strategy, let's see if it works

[raw ocean]

That's why im thinking of more plans

Although I do have a +19 to persuasion and deception

[red steppe]

Suddenly the DM makes it so that they are actually paid well enough to refuse the bribe and straight up report you to the higher ups

[raw ocean]

[Level 17 bard]

[raw ocean]

Oh that's where the true polymorph into a brick comes into play

[shy stirrup]

Doesn't guarantee auto success at antying you try, as I'm sure you know

[raw ocean]

Yep, does raise the odds quite a bit

[still plover]

Wrath of the Storm, Thunderous Strike, thunder and lightning, it's got a theme and it sticks to it. Fog cloud, gust of wind, shatter - these are all spells with multiple uses. Shatter is a personal favourite of mine.

[shy stirrup]

So this isn't a casino heist scenario, this is just a casino interlude, and you want to conduct some shenanigans for fun and profit, yes

[raw ocean]

Yep

[knotty pasture]

Its more like I don't mind some pings, especially if I'm not actively talking to said person at the moment

[shy stirrup]

Gotcha, well good luck 🙂

[knotty pasture]

Cracker was practically spam pinging when I'm talking

[raw ocean]

Wait does anti-magic field stop the activation of magic or magic in general?

[knotty pasture]

So I'm looking for a middle ground in terms of "I don't mind some pings but please don't spam ping when I'm actively talking to you" without blocking the person outright

[raw ocean]

I just, muted pings for this server

[red steppe]

Ngl, it has happened multiple times before

[valid geyser]

at least spells, teleportation, magic items that aren't artifacts, and then there's whatever other abilities the GM determines magical

[raw ocean]

The magic golem PC dropping dead as soon as they enter the casino:

[red steppe]

Get a simulacrum to wish you a temporary spell immunity to Antimagic Field

[nova trellis]

Most casino workers tend to be paid well. Bit hard to have "The house always winning" when most of the workers are burning the house down.

[raw ocean]

DM would probably say no

[red steppe]

Yes

[sinful temple]

Tempest is more fun to me, it’s my favorite cleric domain.

Any cleric can be a good healer.

[red steppe]

RAW says you can its one of the options for Wish

[raw ocean]

DM pulled the good ol "One wish per month"

Because of a past wizard cheesing every magic option possible

[red steppe]

Lmao

[raw ocean]

and added components AFTER the wizard died

[nova trellis]

When cheating at a casino in a high magic setting, I would just assume they pull out ALL the stops to negate cheating.

[obtuse tartan]

In dnd if a ghost possessed a ranger and has a dragon, can it control the dragon?

[raw ocean]

Im a level 17 bard, they might as well be gods if they can stop me out right

[shy stirrup]

As would I, and I'd plan casino security accordingly, making it difficult - but not impossible - to pull off shenanigans (outside of a proper casino heist mission)

[red steppe]

Btw what do ppl mean by shenanigans?

[knotty basin]

If the ghost control the ranger, and the ranger controls the dragon, yes

[obtuse tartan]

Can it commend the dragon?

[nova trellis]

Like, an outright ban on most animals because Druids and polymorph exists. Dispel magic to stop magical buffs pre-cast before entering the building, multiple mind blanks. Someone mentioned needing stuff to defeat their 17 lv pc/a demi-god. I would expect that to be the bare minimum lol.

[old sluice]

Why even cheat? If you have the magic to cheat in a casino, you probably also have the means to rob it.

[nova trellis]

In a place of magic where A LOT of money is being thrown around, I would expect casinos to take on multiple demi-god level threats.

[loud tendon]

Several folks add (No Pings) to their server nickname.. sometimes it helps, sometimes People forget, but it might help reduce the pings you get.

[raw ocean]

Why would you eat good food if you could just eat the bare minimum

[red steppe]

This would have to be ran by demigods

[raw ocean]

Cheating is the game, the fun part.

[old sluice]

I'd say robbery is more fun than gambling.

[raw ocean]

If I owned a casino and a literal demi-god was cheating, I would just let them cheat

[old sluice]

Don't take this out of context.

[raw ocean]

I am NOT running the fade with someone who can just erase my existence

[nova trellis]

If you have enough money and magic casters together and that casino stayed succeful for like 5 years, yeah, I would expect a demi-god to run it. Lol

[red steppe]

Oh yeah, it is, imagine a Tier 4 heist on the worlds most popular casino

[woven flint]

You expect.
A Casino..
To have access to Anti-Magic Field and Dispel magic and all other things and expect them to have any decent payoff when paying a wizard with that level of power is probably gonna be an absolute fortune?

[raw ocean]

Can yall think of ways to stop me from cheating, so I can find a solution ahead of time [Im a level 17 bard]

[red steppe]

The antimagic field screws the other spell effects btw, all you have to do is siege the entire thing

[buoyant oar]

Tbh most of this is Vastly over assuming the amount of the population has access to this kind of magic.

[old sluice]

Moreover, anti-magic field just creates that field around the caster. You can't put the entire casino in it.

[woven flint]

Exactly!

[knotty basin]

You can with enough casters who just sit still all day

[supple skiff]

i have a really weird question

how would yall go about making a "smart" jock

[loud tendon]

Youre already trying to cheat, I wouldn't feel comfortable helping you low-key metagame around the DM so you can guarantee a win.

[red steppe]

I would say Circle Casting makes this possible but like where would you find that many 16th level Wizards and it only lasts for a short amount of time

[woven flint]

And you can indeed use wish for temporary spell immunity against antimagic field anyway

[raw ocean]

It's not meta gaming, it's just thinking of what a casino might have

[timid current]

talk to your DM

[buoyant oar]

Most casinos in a fictional setting would not worry about the 1 day PCs came in there in years.

[raw ocean]

Do heist planners just go in without thinking of security?

[red steppe]

Cheating in a casino irp is not really that big of a deal

[timid current]

your character is trying to outsmart an npc. that doesn't mean you have to outsmart your friend

[loud tendon]

Just have them speak well? You can be well read and athletic. Just lean less "dude bro" and more "if I use a lever here i can get better leverage to unjam this door"

[old sluice]

It's an eighth level spell with a radius of 10 feet. Anyone with access to that many powerful casters should be taking over the world, not running a casino

[timid current]

and the DM can even help enable your ideas

[knotty basin]

Cartomancy is available to level 4 characters

[woven flint]

Dude, you're a 17th level spellcaster, I'm sure you could preform a heist on a casino all by yourself.

[knotty basin]

Fair

[buoyant oar]

And a level 1 PC is an exceptional individual.

[nova trellis]

Its a casino, its not the general population. If one magically inclined person can bleed a casino dry, it would need A LOT for it to succeed over a 5 year time span.

[old sluice]

Frankly, a casino worried about cheating would just ban spellcasters.

[woven flint]

Even without being a spellcaster
A Fighter could probably even do so by themselves at that level as well.

[raw ocean]

In the campaign I'm in, there's an anti-magic field around the entire casino

[loud tendon]

These are words someone says until they get caught by a casino irl...

[raw ocean]

And that limits my options as a spell caster, quite alot

[buoyant oar]

If I was this DM. Verbal Spell components is the harsh line I would draw. You cast anything with a V and you don't have a means to mechanically be quiet. You are gonna be found out.

[old sluice]

Wait... Yeah maybe the casino keeps info on spellcasters in town. A list of every known spellcasters, and they're banned from entry. Problem solved

[sinful temple]

Yeah, the pearl clutching over this is silly.

[red steppe]

Whar

[woven flint]

Grab the Fighter and the Barbarian and go have fun, friend

[knotty basin]

How are they going to enforce that exactly

They can’t really stop them from just waltzing in and playing

[buoyant oar]

Bribing the govt

[raw ocean]

Our last fighter died to a black hole, please stop reminding me of my good bud/j

[old sluice]

? By denying spellcasters entry.

[woven flint]

Womp Womp

[old sluice]

Maybe they can't stop the wizard from waltzing in, but at this point the wizard is forcing entry. Nobody is going to play with the lunatic who forced their way inside

[knotty basin]

They will if held at wandpoint

[old sluice]

That's armed robbery. We come back to the point: Don't bother cheating, just rob the casino

[knotty basin]

Agreed

[scenic zinc]

Good luck on the Creation and maintenance of such a list.

[buoyant oar]

If a wizard sticks up a casino that is a fast track to bound hands and a gag.

[old sluice]

Not that hard I think.

[woven flint]

Just TAKE THE CASINO..
and
PUSH IT... over THERE!

[scenic zinc]

You'd be wrong.

[sleek cloud]

Some wizards are into that

[raw ocean]

"Wasen't that guy literally level 3 last week, how did he sign a contract with the god of death???"

[sinful temple]

Rogues could also just do regular, non-magical cheating

[buoyant oar]

Nations could do it with things like passports.

You gotta register your stuff all the time IRL. Registering your magical abilities would not be too far.

[nova trellis]

Any institution that survived multiple years in a world where one exceptional individual can take it down in a span of hours has to have plans and redundancies against that. Assuming an institution is going to be ran exactly like our world with no tweaks and changes to fit a fantasy world is just being a bit uncreative I think

[old sluice]

Anyone could do that. Stealth and sleight of hand are all you need.

[woven flint]

You forget that PC's as characters with levels are beyond exceptional people even at level 3

[shy stirrup]

The house always wins in our world,
I would assume its the same in a D&D world, or any world of mine at least

[sinful temple]

I specified rogues because stealth and sleight of hand are their specialties so it would be easier for them

[raw ocean]

Im seeing two sides of this conversation, it's either just nuke the casino or just go make 1 million gold with something else

[knotty basin]

Yeah, but rogues can guarantee success at a DC 20 sleight of hand check

[old sluice]

Sure.

[knotty basin]

A commoner is probably getting caught doing that

[scenic zinc]

There are many, many people who don't have a passport.

I'm only saying that doing this is significantly more difficult than what's being described.

[woven flint]

The Third option

Buy the Casino.
If you're level 17, you should be stacked enough usually

Or just.. wish for gold

[knotty basin]

Honestly, I don’t like the whole “PCs are super-human” deal with official D&D lore

[raw ocean]

My character is actually quite poor currently, been doing a lot of cool item quests and not big money

[shy stirrup]

They weren't superhuman, once upon a time

[knotty basin]

In my homebrew worlds, an average person might be level 5-ish

[woven flint]

That's not an average person lmao

[knotty basin]

It is in my worlds

[raw ocean]

Level 17 and up should quite literally be 1 in a billion

[red steppe]

How would you explain fighters being able to damage a 50 ft tall gargantuan sized earth elemental

[old sluice]

I'm not sure it is. Someone with a component pouch is obviously a spellcaster. Someone with spell scrolls is obviously a spellcaster. Someone with a spellbook is obviously a spellcaster. Most elves are obviously spellcasters.

[buoyant oar]

1 in a billion is I would say is too rare.

[old sluice]

Making a list of spellcasters in the city is not hard.

[buoyant oar]

It depends on your setting.

[woven flint]

The Elf Fighter feigning offense

[old sluice]

Having that list be exhaustive is harder.

[raw ocean]

I would be worried for the world if more than 100 people could cast wish

That's basically 100 walking nuclear bombs

[old sluice]

That elf fighter can probably cast a few spells thanks to their species. Banned from the casino

[buoyant oar]

I mean. Most people who get to that level have better things to do.

[knotty basin]

Is that a thing? I need to look into this

[scenic zinc]

You're still thinking too narrowly.

So many of those are things you don't need, and the last one is simply discrimination.

I promise you that what you're trying to do is a very difficult thing if you critically think of the steps it would take to actually achieve it.

[buoyant oar]

You don't get to high level spell casting by being "Lol Random 😂"

[woven flint]

"Hey! Even if we can do it innately, I've never casted a spell in me damn life! What? Are you gonna ban other species that can innately cast spells? Isn't that.. like, racist?"

[red steppe]

Its the creature Ogremoch from Princes of the Apocalypse

[raw ocean]

You are right, most of them are planning on either mass genocide, bringing their god into the world, or trying to stop that from happening

[old sluice]

Of course. The list would not be exhaustive, some wohld manage to pass through. And of course it's discrimination, that's partly how casinos work

[sinful temple]

It’s a fantasy game where you can do magic and have extraordinary abilities and there are tons of fantastical races, being superhuman is par for the course.

[woven flint]

You mean the Prince of Evil Earth, Ogremoch, our beloved?

[red steppe]

Yes

[woven flint]

WE LOVE Ogremoch!

[red steppe]

Just a silly lil guy

[knotty basin]

It’s more of a “when everyone’s super, no one is”

[woven flint]

Just a silly little MOUNTAIN sized guy

[old sluice]

A casino is an elaborate scam designed to weaponize people's addictive tendencies and cognitive biases. For the scam to work, all casinos are allowed to refuse entry to anyone. And the people who are refused entry are the ones who cause trouble. Or the ones who are simpy too good at a game

[scenic zinc]

I'm saying the list would not even begin to get close to being useful. It would take more resources to make and maintain than feasible.

[buoyant oar]

Wishes are ripe for poor interpretation And since that isn't duplicating a spell it runs the risk of losing the ability to cast. That is not worth it to most casters of that power level

[old sluice]

Card counting is not cheating, it's the only legitimate way to play Blackjack at high level. Yet if you count cards, you're going to be escorted out. Because casinos don't want winners and have the right to refuse anyone

[raw ocean]

So, maybe about one level 17 caster per 10 Million people?

I don't know the general world population across D&D worlds

[buoyant oar]

The Cowled Wizards of Amn do a decent job of preventing unsanctioned uses of Magic in Faerûn.

[old sluice]

It would require very little resources. Just a few guys paid to look in the city and make note of suspected spellcasters.

[knotty basin]

And a lot of racial profiling

[old sluice]

Write down name and description, update the list. Done.

[sinful temple]

Not everybody in the world is super. The PCs are.

[knotty basin]

Maybe in your campaigns

[old sluice]

Yes. Elves and gnomes would likely be over-targetted.

[raw ocean]

Chasing down the local gnome with roman candles and a cage:

[knotty basin]

It’s kinda boring when the PCs can rob anywhere they want with no repercussions

[scenic zinc]

That's what I mean by you're vastly underestimating the difficulty of actually doing this with any amount of accuracy.

[raw ocean]

Personally I would let my players get away with it, if they actually watched their tracks and deserve it

If they just destroy a village and don't look for suvivors, that's on them

[old sluice]

I honestly don't see how. And accuracy is not the point. Such a list would contain a lot of false positives too.

Also a casino might lobby city authority for laws requiring spellcasters to register themselves when entering

[woven flint]

Or, alternatively, a Casino could hire elves to prevent charming Trickery and gnomes who are just damn well physically/mentally resistant to spells

[raw ocean]

100 Iron Golems

[scenic zinc]

Basically? Yeah.

Because the "average" person isn't going to have things worth taking usually, and if they do hurt all those average people - average people aren't going to be the ones hunting the PCs.

[woven flint]

I could see Elves and Gnomes running Casinos, honestly, longevity, hard to pin down with magics... ect

[old sluice]

But I think the only thing the casino needs to be worried about is people with subtle spell. Otherwise verbal components mean that most magic would be useless

[buoyant oar]

I am a consequence heavy DM. I don't go out of my way to punish players. But if they get caught. They face the music. Every time. A player cast fireball in a tavern full of people.

They were arrested and hanged.

[raw ocean]

I hate it when DM's punish players for actions in an unreasonable way, what do you mean the ROYAL GAURD is hunting them because they robbed someone

[sinful temple]

I’m talking about DND in generalized terms, of course every DM and campaign is gonna do things their own way.

I’ve just never personally encountered a campaign where the PCs are meant to be boring and unspecial. I don’t even know what that would look like when every class either gives you magic or strong fighting skills.

[woven flint]

Okay, but being arrested and hanged for casting fireball in a place full of people is kinda just.. actually reasonable lmao

[raw ocean]

At some point your forced to be special, "What do you mean this simple human fighter has made it to this point without dying?"

[scenic zinc]

#dnd-discussion message

You described destroying a village. Yes, that gets the liege lord calling for your heads.

[raw ocean]

Oh yeah for sure, if they destroy a village and don't check for tracks.. it's wraps

[buoyant oar]

You destroy a village and the Army will be after you. And that's a fight that doesn't get role played because it's a fight you cannot win.

[raw ocean]

If my players destroy a village with disguises on and magical scrying blockers, they can get away with it scot free

[buoyant oar]

For a time.

[sinful temple]

If you’re the DM, then you set the difficulty for trying to rob a place and you can create the repercussions.

Characters being special or “superhuman” is not the same as them being untouchable gods that never face consequences.

[proven mountain]

I once watched a player kill a guard and cast revivify on them. Until the game ended, he maintained the DM's consequence of a trial and punishment of having to pay restitution was unfair because the guy came back to life anyway. Happy to not be playing with them anymore.

[red steppe]

They then proceed to send in caster investigators to trace the magic back to you

[buoyant oar]

War Crimes is a DND meme that tbh should die.

[woven flint]

I still think it'd be a sensible punishment

You killed and revived the guy yes, but you put him through the experience of death, which, surely would cause severe mental trauma

[raw ocean]

War crimes should be only used on monsters or very very bad people

[shy stirrup]

So you think, but what you don't know is a witness spotted you putting on your disguises, oopsies

[buoyant oar]

The Skyrim method. You got a bounty because a chicken saw you.

[raw ocean]

"There was actually a witness that saw you putting on the disguises while you were 3 miles deep in your underground base, you now have a bounty of 10 million gold!"

[sleek cloud]

Anyways, greatswords. Pretty solid weapons eh

[glass granite]

They certainly are of the solid state of matter

[proven mountain]

It was and everyone, but that player agreed. In hindsight, the player had a habit of committing a crime or doing something bad and then was frustrated when there were in game consequences.

[raw ocean]

When I use my pocket mind flayer to wipe the memory of the witnesses

[woven flint]

That's kind of an asspull admittedly.
But perhaps if they've been there to let's say.. plan out robbing routes, their voices might sound a little familiar 🤔

[buoyant oar]

Nothing is more annoying than a player who loves the FA stage and gets whiny when the FO stages comes around.

[raw ocean]

[He lives in my coat pocket with little rat brains]

[delicate owl]

The way they fought, the spells they used, the items they used, the spells on them.

So many ways to tell who someone is.

[red steppe]

Whats an FO?

[buoyant oar]

Find out

[red steppe]

Oh

[spice cliff]

How many Features do different Races get?

[raw ocean]

I remember having a 20 step plan using gate, glyphs, multiple spells like forbiddance and temple of gods, and the DM still pulled something out of thin air to block me [They had an ally with constant foresight that would warn them]

[red steppe]

Wdym

[proven mountain]

Player sowing: haha this is awesome!
Player reaping: how could I have known this would happen?

[delicate owl]

"What? I attacked a city guard and now my character is in jail, fined and almost dead? So unfair! Dmhorrorstory!"

[woven flint]

Can't wait for the waterdeep party to experience the consequences of their actions and me and the sorcerer who have been living relatively honestly (not robbing people) get to watch them be arrested, again. Lmao

[delicate owl]

2-6 depending.

[scenic zinc]

They should be happy the character isn't dead.

[red steppe]

Wait you got them to that situation?

[woven flint]

No?

[red steppe]

Oh nvm

[woven flint]

They choose to rob places during downtime and the Sorcerer and I have genuine jobs lol

[red steppe]

Ah lol

[buoyant oar]

Statements like this make me exhausted as a DM. And it's partially why I now pay player characters exclusively in Silver. It has fixed 99% of the infinite money and time problem.

[sleek cloud]

What jobs

[spice cliff]

Was thinking of HBing it all to something like 3 with 0-2 Passive ones, but dang.

[old sluice]

A 20 step plan to do what?

[dark pewter]

I had a Waterdeep:DH party that picked a fight with a young noble in session 2, constantly bickered with and threatened any nobility in the city they came across, and then capped off a "recon day" with murdering a patriarch and almost burning down his home. Ended up swapping modules because three of them ended up with bounties and one of the other two died in the ensuing fight with the guards.

[raw ocean]

assassinate some corrupt king, I literally planned on expending all of my recourses to do it

[woven flint]

My fella (Tortle Knowledge Cleric)
Is a Librarian, but he's also good with Calligraphy and Leatherwork
As for the Sorcerer, I dunno, but the guards aren't after him

[red steppe]

Shouldve casted Mordekainen's Private Sanctum

[sleek cloud]

oh yeah you were talking about that earlier, the new knowledge cleric right

[old sluice]

And what did this plan involve exactly and what did the DM "pull out of thin air" to stop it?

[raw ocean]

To sum it up really quick, gate them into force cage then activate abunch of glyphs and begin an attack while they were cut off from their forces

[spice cliff]

I misread the name as Mordekaiser and thought you were talking about his LoL ult.

[buoyant oar]

Tbh a singular player should never be able to execute on something that high level. It should always require the entire party. To be feasible.

[raw ocean]

DM pulled "They have a buddy that's literally omniscient, so you can't suprise them with that"

[raw ocean]

It involved the entire party

[woven flint]

Yup, his name is Artanza, he's an old man Tortle Knowledge Cleric

He doesn't actively try to prevent the party from doing as they do, but, he's like the party grandpa and would totally be there to pay their fees and try to teach them lessons whenever he can

[red steppe]

Get Pun-Pun the Kobold to do it atp

[raw ocean]

atp I should of just done a drive by

[normal drift]

Question, in reference to modify memory… how aware is someone of the casting of the spell? i.e. would they not get slightly suspicious after being incapacitated for a full minute?

[delicate owl]

Shhhhhh 😈

[old sluice]

I do have to ask: If you had access to such high level spells, why not plane shift the king into the plane of water and leave them to drown?

[sleek cloud]

I like it

[woven flint]

Ahan when he Secretly murders people as a job? 😨

[raw ocean]

I would feel bad if I just insta-one and done'd the DM's mini BBEG

[buoyant oar]

The spell has a Verbal Component it must be audible at normal conversation volume.

[robust compass]

How to play? Does we need a board game or?

[raw ocean]

Wanted to atleast give the king the chance to fight back

[normal drift]

I’m referring to the person whose memory is mid-modification

[normal drift]

#dnd-newcomers ?

[buoyant oar]

They would be aware the spell was being cast because they would hear it and that would not be the memory being modified

[robust compass]

K

[normal drift]

That makes it seem… fairly useless when a third level spell can negate it

[delicate owl]

Of course he doesn't!...

-# As far as you know

[buoyant oar]

Spells get so much more balanced when you hard enforce Components.

[delicate owl]

And triggers

[timid current]

and the actual text of the spell

[woven flint]

Artanza was a ruffian in his youth, but he figured out that teaching was what he loved lmao

[normal drift]

I’ve always enforced components… but my point is that for a fifth level spell that seems… fairly pointless

[delicate owl]

Shield being used after being told what the monster rolled makes it horribly more op vs what its actual trigger is.

A lot of dms give wayyyy too much info.

[next crypt]

For such a race known for its legendary luck, halflings got quite the monsters that find them tastier than any other race in DND Orcs, Ogres, Trolls, Goblins, Owlbears, Displacer Beasts and Bulettes, hell even the critical roll character turned canon, Arkhan the cruel eats them.

[scenic zinc]

I once had a game where the PCs decided to work for the criminal faction so they got paid in electrum.

They found out that currency was only usable with other criminals when they tried to spend it at a regular shop and the guard got called on them.

[sleek cloud]

Can’t wait to play my halfling monk some day

[woven flint]

I've always thought about it

I dunno if any of my characters would eat a halfling because
"That's literally a small man/woman/person!"
But I could see a few of my characters being tempted

Looks at my Thri-Kreen Gloomstalker

[delicate owl]

Modify Memory has an action casting time, so you can do so from 30ft away, outside of normal speaking tone range.

They are charmed by you as well so if you walk up and start speaking to them, theyll just view you as a friendly creature telling you how things were.

You can quite easily modify memory and not be seen as casting a spell, without witnesses that care, that is.

[next crypt]

I'd definitely roleplay my lizardfolk to have na aquired taste for halflings

[normal drift]

Ok no that makes more sense

[scenic zinc]

Maybe by them.

But there's very likely others around who you're not effecting.

[woven flint]

Thri-kreen also canonically Eat Elf meat, so it's not too far off for them lol

[normal drift]

Cause every possible use I could think of seemed… literally useless when they can hear you casting the spell.

[delicate owl]

"Without witnesses that care, that is" is the important part there

[normal drift]

Or with. Swords are a great negotiating tactic

[scenic zinc]

Dunno 'bout you, but if someone starts mucking with memories I'm gonna care.

[next crypt]

But thinking about it more, it does make sense, halflings canonically are foodies and do some really good food

[delicate owl]

How do you know what spell they cast

[woven flint]

If it ain't MY memories, it ain't MY buisness lol

[delicate owl]

They could be retelling the past to them in a subtle way.

[normal drift]

Bold assumption that the rest of the party are that morally upstanding… (god knows mine hasn’t been)

[glass granite]

If you see someone casting a spell on you, you’re probably not gonna be all too willing to cooperate with the spell if you don’t know what it is

[scenic zinc]

'Cause I passed the arcana check to determine the spell.

[buoyant oar]

I believe the DM Screen Reincarnated gave rules for audible distances.

Normal noise level was considered 2d6 x 10 feet

[woven flint]

Yup, n' no-one ever said you have to shout spells

[scenic zinc]

Simply put, you don't get to remove a spell component for narrative reasoning alone.

[median abyss]

spells arent shouted but they're not whispered either

[scenic zinc]

Mechanics get altered by Mechanics.

[woven flint]

Me using Modify memory to tell someone that they promised to buy me a Hamburger

[buoyant oar]

So the absolute minimum any spell is spoken nor normally is 20 feet. Up to 120 feet.

[glass granite]

No drink?

[median abyss]

just use suggestion to ask them to buy you a hamburger

[normal drift]

I feel it’d be deeply disconcerting to watch someone casually state arcane words for meteor swarm

[proven mountain]

Can we also get fries?

[woven flint]

I just want a Hamburger, man 😔

[woven flint]

Would the average person KNOW that, though?

[buoyant oar]

Also it has a Somatic component. Even if they didn't hear you. They would probably see you forcibly gesticulating

[normal drift]

… they would a second later…

[median abyss]

they might not know its meteor swarm specifically but they'd know you're casting a spell

[delicate owl]

Imma be honest, never heard of dm screen reincarnated.

And secondly, yeah if someone is expecting a spell, makes the check, and is caring about such a thing.. Anyone can be ready for anything if they are already prepared for it.

[normal drift]

Unaware of their surroundings

[glass granite]

It would also kinda be weird to see someone looking at a random person and chanting arcane words

[woven flint]

Me, casting a spell:
chanting and such in an eldritch language

The random farmer:
"Why I reckon he must be casting Summon Aberration!"

[buoyant oar]

After the spell is cast. They would see you casting it.

The DM Screen Reincarnated is the one with the Red Dragon on the front. It was the official DM Screen from 2016-2020

[glass granite]

I’d probably think they were being possessed lol

[delicate owl]

Thats not.. how that works. The spell is cast, you arent continuously casting modify memory..

[buoyant oar]

Is an action instantaneous?

[normal drift]

… I mean in a sense that is what concentration is

[woven flint]

Now it's time for:
"Is he casting a spell! Or is he drunkenly murmuring words to himself?"

[nova trellis]

I want to do a evil playthough of Strahd and just straight up take over towns and play it as a pseudo war Sim.

[normal drift]

… if a random drunk just conveniently rambled out the right words, it could be both

[delicate owl]

Keeping concentration doesnt require continuously showing you are casting a spell unless I have missed very important wording

[charred saddle]

So normally the mouth and hands are needed to cast any spell of verbal&somatcic components. Then they need to see or so Precive the target. So the paralysis or incapacitation can
Even stop a caster if They are
Conscious (as under the effect of a fleash to stone spell)

You can't use a subtle spell meta magic under that kind of condition.

[woven flint]

Truthfully

[buoyant oar]

A Verbal component is the chanting of esoteric words that sound like nonsense to the uninitiated.

[glass granite]

I bet 5 cookies he’s casting Jim’s Magic Missile!

[normal drift]

I like to imagine that depends on the class. There are plenty of sorcerers who don’t know a lick of arcane lore

[buoyant oar]

That is the base rules from the PHB.

[woven flint]

With the night he's had at the bar?
He can't even afford the fee!

[charred saddle]

Not In the realms as per Ed Greenwood explaining it

[umbral girder]

Last I checked with Sorcerers they just know it naturally

BG3 covered it as “wizards study it while sorcerers play it by ear”

[glass granite]

Here’s your 5 cookies
🍪 🍪 🍪 🍪 🍪

[buoyant oar]

Specific always beats general. And as with Ed Greenwood. WotC trumps Ed unless it's published by D&D

[woven flint]

I put them into a blender and pour protein powder because I'm on my Barbarian grind

[normal drift]

I have no clue what greenwood’s take is,, do you mind explaining?

[delicate owl]

The casting time is an action, once you do the components for the casting, you are not supposed to keep using them afterwards...

I think you misunderstood casting rules.

[sleek cloud]

Components specify whether they’re consumed or not

[normal drift]

Fair… but I like to imagine they just yell what they want to happen and the universe obeys

[crimson gulch]

I love when players rp out magic words and soellcastinf

[sleek cloud]

What’s the coolest spell RP you’ve seen

[delicate owl]

Thats bards

Words of creation and all that

[buoyant oar]

I have never said that you must maintain the verbal and somatic components for the full duration. All I asked was is an action instantaneous

[charred saddle]

The author is the AUTHORITY on canon even in contradiction to the IP holder. Look at game of thrones. The show and books went separate ways.

[buoyant oar]

That is because the author still owns the property in the case of Game of thrones.

Ed has not owned the realms since 1985

[nova trellis]

Miracles is magic thru belief, pact magic is magic thru bargains with powerful magical beings, wizardry is understanding of the magical ether, sorcery is innate power of the magic within you and druidic magic is hippie magic. Think that cover everything.

[silver dock]

a grieving lich who now works under an all powerful sorceress using the body of the very lady who gave her life to protect him from the terrible power of a cursed amulet

[old sluice]

Which author? Plenty of people are authors of D&D.

Plenty of people are authors of the Forgotten Realms.

[frail epoch]

Hi

[charred saddle]

Forgotten Realms setting

[buoyant oar]

Ed is often looked to for advice and for filler lore by fans and we love that about him.

Ed has been too kind to the fan base of DnD and the realms at large. But not even the FR Wiki agrees with the statement that Ed is the sole Authority and sides with WotC when they differ from Ed.

[silver dock]

who has to balance his duty as her undying servant with a promise he made to his old adventuring buddy in order to protect their adopted son from danger

[woven flint]

And whatever the hell Artificers do 😎

[frail epoch]

Hum i have a dumb question

[umbral girder]

Yeah it’s like saying “The author of Marvel Comics”, waaaayyy too broad

[woven flint]

You.

Imma get you.

[buoyant oar]

Ed is also not the sole creator of the Realms as we know them today. To assume otherwise is a disservice to hundreds of writers.

[old sluice]

So again, which author of the Forgotten Realms? That's hundreds of people.

[frail epoch]

;-; what did i do

[sleek cloud]

What did you do

[woven flint]

You're not my friend yet.

I'm gonna change that.

[old sluice]

People who can't even agree on whether or not elves dream when they trance btw

[frail epoch]

Oh okay, so it's positif ? Right ?

[glass granite]

Oooo I love those

[normal drift]

I miss when making friends was that simple…

[woven flint]

Yee :>

[charred saddle]

He is The Originator, like Guygyax is for Greyhawk

[woven flint]

You're my friend now.

[old sluice]

All questions are dumb because all questions are admissions of ignorance

[glass granite]

The Lord of Goofy is just goofy like that, they’re nice enough

[sleek cloud]

He didn’t even have to cast the cantrip

[frail epoch]

This channel is for chatting but not exeptially for d&d ?

[buoyant oar]

And Gygax is the original creator of DnD yet his word is not Doctrine nor Dogma.

[normal drift]

Cool.

[woven flint]

I'm just built different

[frail epoch]

Yeah ic 😅

[woven flint]

We're gonna have soft tacos and cast spells together.

[glass granite]

#non-dnd-topics is for non dnd stuff, this is just for the regular dnd discussions

[umbral girder]

It’s like saying “from the author DC comics”

[red steppe]

John Greyhawk

[glass granite]

Hi just built different I’m Nugget

[frail epoch]

Trying to know is good sometimes

[umbral girder]

Like there is a first guy but there are too many people playing with the world to just say “one guy decrees how it all works!”

[old sluice]

But Ed Greenwood's parents are the origin of Ed Greenwood, so they have authority on him, therefore on what originates from him. But their parents... [continue until you reach the Big Bang]

[normal drift]

Sounds like a right vibe. Which ones?

[buoyant oar]

Ed has not been in Editorial control of the realms since he Sold it to WotC. He has never had hard decisions over the world of Toril as we know it.

[limber oriole]

If you guys had to pick a layer of the Nine Hells to live within, which would it be?

[woven flint]

Ones that don't hurt people 😎

[frail epoch]

Oh okay so this channel is rp ?

[woven flint]

Make spells, not war, baby 😎

[limber oriole]

Make baby, not spells war

[normal drift]

Do most tacos hurt people?

[frail epoch]

I love you pyp btw

[red steppe]

Shadow wizard money gang

[woven flint]

I mean if you wanna...

[normal drift]

Nah. Jsut talking about dnd.

[old sluice]

Anyways you are thinking about authority wrong. That is not how this works

[glass granite]

More like this channel is just general dnd talk, we don’t really do in depth rp on this server

[limber oriole]

Brother i am a him

[woven flint]

Thanks, he's my Tabaxi Grave Cleric

[old sluice]

All fiction exists in a dialogue between audience and product. The author is not involved in that. The product itself is.

[limber oriole]

Something tells me it won’t work

[woven flint]

Nature works in mysterious ways

[frail epoch]

Oh okay but with a bit of rp no ?

[normal drift]

Rarely…

[frail epoch]

Yeah ic

[limber oriole]

Toki, Lord of Thirsty more like

[woven flint]

Not of they don't wanna

[frail epoch]

Cool me he's a dragonborn, he's name is kaleb

[normal drift]

Science has come so far…

[limber oriole]

Sconces have

[old sluice]

The man who wrote the book stopped existing the moment the book was finished. The Ed Greenwood who created the Forgotten Realms has not existed for more than thirty years

[frail epoch]

Okay 👍

[limber oriole]

Wonderful ways of holding light sources

[normal drift]

Good. Consent!

[woven flint]

Perhaps

[nova trellis]

Florida

[red steppe]

Is ur Tabaxi afraid of cucumbers and a slice of cheese?

[limber oriole]

I am yet to see why Stygia would be so bad

[loud tendon]

To be clear, there should be NO RP in these channels.

They are discussion channels.

Sometimes it happens but we generally ask folks to refrain from doing so as it tends to derail conversations.

[woven flint]

No, he's just a regular dude

That watched his entire village get raized.

[limber oriole]

I run hot anyway, a colder climate would do me good

[red steppe]

Oh nice

[limber oriole]

I’m always half a second away from the what’s wrong with Elfs, Humans and dwarves convo

[woven flint]

Well, his church.
He was adopted by a church of Kelemvor as a wee lad, and a death cult didn't like the fact that they didn't like raising the dead n such..

[normal drift]

You strike me as the type to go out in freezing temperatures in a Hawaiian shirt and short shorts

[limber oriole]

That’s my biggest boomerism

[limber oriole]

I am white, yes

[woven flint]

I'd make a joke, but the moderation team would have my hide.

[normal drift]

I wish I knew what you were getting at

[woven flint]

I'll dm you

[rough basalt]

Looking forward to wizarding

[normal drift]

Slayful

[woven flint]

Lmao

[limber oriole]

Now i want to know too

[charred saddle]

And doctrine and dogma
Are not real things, but the delusion of conditioning to accept something.

Imposing thought police about who is to judge aside from the mind that imagined the thought in the first place is foolish.

The shareholders of Hazbro (ultimately the owners of D&D now) are too diverse to be an entity that can make real decision about such concepts as “dogma” of a canon story not sanctioned by the writer.

But it is what ever you want it to be at your table at the end of the day, so DM is the house, and the house rules always win.

[nova trellis]

I feel Dwarves should have either a complete control of the world due to living in ore rich mountains or nearly wiped from the planet due to them living near such resource filled places.

[buoyant oar]

Too..... Diverse?

Aw geez. And I thought this would be an enlightening meeting of minds.

[limber oriole]

I know i’m in the wrong on my point, but like i said. I get a little WASPY about it for some reason

[old sluice]

The mind that imagined the thought doesn't exist anymore though, so who is left to "judge"?

[charred saddle]

The DM at the table

[old sluice]

In Earthdawn, dwarves are the dominant species. Check it out

[old sluice]

So essentially this whole thing boils down to "The DM decides". A thing everyone already knows and agrees on?

[nova trellis]

I think the most realistic and thought out depiction of multiple intelligent races living on the same planet is One Piece.

[buoyant oar]

In a discussion about what the rules say. You bring up what a specific person who has no real power over the official publication and then get heated with us when we explain that he has no authority over WotC on the setting

[old sluice]

I feel like the goal posts have shifted a lot.

[wraith kelp]

guys i just got new idea for a character

but idk

[glass granite]

Sure, shoot it into #character-discussion

[wraith kelp]

eyy nuggie!

[glass granite]

Hallooo

[nova trellis]

I do think post-apocalypce in a fantasy setting based on rebuilding is pretty rad.

[regal ravine]

Why do people say they like your game join then no warning just leave, waste of time and money put into this campaign, anyone from the UK 18+ want to have a character in a Japanese, Korean and Chinese inspired world

[buoyant oar]

Look, man. I love Ed. He is a great person. And our hotel bar conversations are stellar. But the realms as goes he is not sole mind behind it. You have Salvatore, Schend, Denning, Cunningham, Scott de Bie, Evans, Johnson, Krashos, Boyd, Tandro, Williams, Cook, Pondsmith, Niles, Beyers, Cordell, Perkins, and literally hundreds of other people.

Ed is the original thought but Baator's sake he is not even the best writer among them. And he'd tell you that.

[charred saddle]

Man walks across the room and returns a different man. We a tree not bound by any “dogma” at the table but who we want to dm. And I for one don't mind swapping the dm of a setting I made.

But I might be asked if
I did not write it down. Not that it
Matters to what I do as a character in the world out of respect for the other people at the table.

Head cannon is
For the “judge” of the table and that is the dm. Rules lawyers be damned

[old sluice]

Damn. The goal posts just switched continents

[buoyant oar]

Those Goalposts are in Kozakura now.

[nova trellis]

Dog kobolds or lizard kobolds?

[buoyant oar]

Dead kobolds

[coarse bear]

Liz

[timid current]

How is this related to Hasbro being "too diverse" and what are your qualifications for "appropriately diverse"

[nova trellis]

Not a cash money answer that was. 😔

[hollow estuary]

Chronurgy wizard is really good

[knotty basin]

Dog kobolds are a thing?

[nova trellis]

At least recycle those dead kobolds, you could use that meat for bait or magic components but NOO, you just wanna kill kobolds. 😔

[knotty basin]

Uhh lizard

[nova trellis]

Ever watch Delicious in Dungeon?

[knotty basin]

Nope

[timid current]

In earlier editions (2nd ad&d certainly, don't rightly know for others) they were furry little guys drawn by Tony Diterlizzi

[nova trellis]

In eastern media, kobolds are usually funny lil dog folks.

[charred saddle]

All wizzards are really good…

Except gnomes

[stoic obsidian]

Why gnomes?

[nova trellis]

Similar with orcs, they tend to be fuzzier.

[meager fractal]

And then the wizard lizards

[sleek cloud]

My gnome evocation wizard is offended

[knotty basin]

Fuzzy orcs are fire

[stoic obsidian]

You gain armor class without need mage armor or actual armor because of natural armor

[knotty basin]

Gnomes have natural armor?

[meager fractal]

if not they should

[stoic obsidian]

No, I am talking about lizardfolk

[livid kite]

The Lizardfolk Wizard and King Kenku?!?!

[nova trellis]

I tend to prefer the Japanese depiction of fantasy tabletop. Find it very cozy.

[sleek cloud]

Gnomes with advantage on the wisdom, int, and charisma saves is nice, plus I like forest gnomes getting some free casts of speak with animals so I can have conversations with my owl familiar and give him a personality

[stoic obsidian]

Gnomes get free cantrips/spells and have advantage on int,cha, and Wis saving throws. So you can use as a martial to cover for niche cases of saving throws with cha and int, and Wis advantage is fantastic

[charred saddle]

Gnomes make better artificers in my opinion

[stoic obsidian]

Gnomes make better rogues

[meager fractal]

Gnome druids are the goat (sometimes literally)

[stoic obsidian]

Champion Fighter Forest Gnome anyone

[charred saddle]

Like with a crossbow?

[stoic obsidian]

Or a scimitar and Shortsword

[charred saddle]

Hey it's a champion, why not both?

[stoic obsidian]

Hand crossbow and scimitar goes brrrrr

Or if you want to go strength then Light hammer/sickle with handaxe

And finesse weapon

[timid current]

Strength also works on finesse weapons

[uncut zenith]

Yeah finesse just gives you the option of using STR or DEX

[knotty basin]

Or monk gnome

[crimson gulch]

Dagger barbarian is good with nick weapons these days

[stoic obsidian]

It powerful with rage

Actually what the good thing about 1d4 weapons

[hot reef]

Was the Double Bladed Scimitar reprinted in Forge of the Artificer?

[hidden spindle]

Have you seen the Japanese art of Dnd 5e?

[scenic zinc]

dog

[valid geyser]

i dont think so. Forge of the artificer assumes you reference rising for anything not in the book itself

[old sluice]

I'm probably in the minority but I kind of hate dog kobolds. And all kinds of "beast people". Except for centaurs and the likes I always thought anthropomorphizing an animal was the lowest level of fantasy design.

[atomic kayak]

Dog kobolds exist because of translation errors, but beast people in general are common fantasy

Most likely because "human + animal" is an ancient concept even IRL

[old sluice]

Yes.

Well at least Yuan-Ti have something really interesting going on.

[atomic kayak]

Ironically they are the ones I find least interesting

[knotty basin]

So lizards are better?

[atomic kayak]

(tied with lizardfolk because they both originated with tropes I dislike involving reptiles)

[old sluice]

I'd say kobolds in general are... Meh. But their 5e design, that emphasises their "miniature dragons" quality is the best one.

At least they're not just lizard-people.

[stoic obsidian]

Especially lvl 15

[old sluice]

But damn do I hate tabaxis, loxodons and giffs.

[reef tundra]

Ever since I made my setting's lore for tabaxis and loxodons, I love them dearly

[glass granite]

Oooooo you can’t just say that and not share

[reef tundra]

Tabaxis were regular house cats blessed a god to have humanoid forms and be able to speak other languages other than cat.

[glass granite]

Can they still speak cat

[reef tundra]

And with that gift they choose to act the exact same way, but now people can understand the stuff they say

And tbh it ended up as quite a curse because now people don't keep them as pets so the cats actually have to do more stuff by themselves

[old sluice]

That's a curse not a blessing.

I can't imagine a worse thing you could do to a cat.

[reef tundra]

Yes, but now you can hear them swear at you whenever you do something that annoys them

[reef tundra]

Tabaxis either love or hate it

[dense canyon]

Im testing a west march game and need 2+players add me as a friens if you got time now

[reef tundra]

#find-a-game

[charred saddle]

the thing is alot of canine spices can look lime lizards when infected with mange or other skin issues and even stay out of the sun to avoid sun burn, i think there is more to the cave dweling little buggers that attack people being dogs originaly in fantacy

[reef tundra]

Loxodon meanwhile actually take it as a blessing. Elephants were worshipped as great protectors in many regions of my setting, similar to irl, and so they were blessed with humanoid form to learn to fight with weapons and magic, and to push their power beyond their limits to become idols of protection for their people

A lot of loxodons in my setting end up as paladins of glory or devotion, or clerics of life, light, or twilight

Although I'm interested if one day a player will play one who goes against the duty they were created for

[lament sapphire]

And kenku were just created out of spite

[reef tundra]

Haven't gotten to Kenku yet but I might make them creations of a god of mischief

[lament sapphire]

There was never a lot of lore behind them as far as I could find. Now there's even less.

[charred saddle]

This is a good point that a lot of fantasy comes from stories about things that were fantastic but rooted in an understanding (or misunderstanding) that comes rooted in a framework of pre-existing myth structure.

[reef tundra]

It's fun to base my worldbuilding off of irl beliefs, but whenever I do that I have to put in quite a bit of effort and research to not make in inappropriate or offensive

[atomic kayak]

No, that has nothing to do with it.

Kobolds in the two main forms people recognize them as (outside of the Warcraft series) as lizard/dog/ratlike things originates from DnD. Originally in DnD they were, generously, lizardlike rats with doglikes noses. The nose was the only doglike aspect (I'd suggest looking up 1e kobold art). When the concepts were being brought over to Japan, the phrase "doglike" became just "dog" because the "-like" modifier is weird to translate. So in Japan (and by extension, a lot of eastern media) kobolds just became little dog people.

Basically the exact same thing happened with orcs. They were described as having "piglike" noses but otherwise weren't like pigs. "piglike" got translated to "pig" and thats why so much eastern media now has pig orcs.

[rough basalt]

I just wing it.

[reef tundra]

Like my attempt to adapt Wendigos, until I found out the whole rabbit hole of the irl belief of them and I wanted to cut it out

Out of respect of the original belief about them

[reef tundra]

As someone who knows about kobolds in irl folklore and myth, the dnd version was always amusing to me

[glass granite]

For folklore, the most I’ve done is using traditional vampire weaknesses I believe

[atomic kayak]

the dnd version mostly just took the name.

[reef tundra]

I take all the vampire weaknesses I know of, all of them. Including their obsession with counting

[glass granite]

Rice go brrrr

[reef tundra]

Indeed it does

Good to know that as someone who lives in an asian household, I could easily escape a vampire

[glass granite]

Well, that is until they pull out the hair dryer

[atomic kayak]

The most popular kobolds that more generically resemble their germanic roots would be the aforementioned warcraft ones.

But in general kobolds, goblins, gremlins (among many other "small trickster-adjacent thing" in tons of cultures) all trend towards being relatively similar in description if not depiction

[reef tundra]

Then I'm screwed

[glass granite]

Hi screwed I’m Nugget

Ok that one was cheap

[reef tundra]

Cheap thrills

[rough basalt]

My worldbuilding philosophy is using a few parts of a culture but coming up with most of the details my own.

[charred saddle]

This is what I'm talking about, I'm just saying in a cave dwelling monster is out there it's probably somthi g like the Chupacaba, and a canine with mange and who knows? What else that is hugry enough to come after you.

[rough basalt]

Generally architecture and naming conventions

[glass granite]

I dare you to throw a vampire into a mirror maze

Though that is a lot of silver linings

[reef tundra]

Actually I bet it would fw them even more since all they can see is me and will have no idea if they're looking at a reflection

[reef tundra]

Okay that one was good I'll give you that

[glass granite]

Yay

[glass granite]

Now what happens if you pull out a holy symbol

[reef tundra]

Spontaneous vampiric combustion

[atomic kayak]

The point being that dnd kobolds aren't inspired by their irl mythology

[silver dock]

here is my very balanced dmpc with 20,000,000,001 hit points and an armor class of 99 and also he has a modifier of +300 in every stat and proficiency in every skill and also his movement speed is 200ft and he has 4,000 ninth level spell slots and knows every cantrip and spell

[reef tundra]

I take it your last dnd session didn’t go so well? /lhj

[silver dock]

cough.
-# no,

[hot reef]

What CR is he???

[silver dock]

oh um. 0

heh.. you dont even get anything for beating him

[hot reef]

Polymorph!!!! Muahahaha

Yeah, cast on self to get his stats

[silver dock]

wait!! wait stop you cant do that thats mean!!! thats so mean

original character!! do not steal!!!!!

[charred saddle]

My world build building philosophy is to use social science and psychological statistics models to frame the schemas that change how I describe a situation to the players.

I had a kobold player and when the party came back with a heroes parade ofcorse the previously demonized kobolds from the sewers and ruins under the city ON MASS to cheer for him and throw shiny offerings to him on his victory procession to recive a reward from the city lord.

that efected the player alot being that he played a wizard that rolled a con of 6 on stats he was a little runt kobold with little respect amungst his own kind.

[hearty bay]

is the force demolisher from the artificer a single-handed weapon?

[karmic pendant]

i assume it's a two handed weapon but i don't think there's anything that says otherwise

[eager marsh]

Glimpsed into the ebberon book at my store. The mark of healing feat seems cool for a non cleric healer. Just wish the free lv2 spell was lesser restoration and not arcane vigor

[eternal path]

Hi, I have 0 knowledge of this game.
The only thing I’ve heard about it is from stranger things and thought it sounded cool

[karmic pendant]

i hope you have fun with this hobby i would recommend reading the rules on dndbeyond to get the general idea of dnd

[hidden spindle]

Free Rules too

[hot reef]

Hi! Check out the pins in #dnd-newcomers there are some great introductory resources there to start

[lost flicker]

Question

[sleek cloud]

Answer

[lost flicker]

I'm never in this chat, do we get a lot of people joining everytime a new season of stranger things comes out?

[rough basalt]

Probably

It's one of the things that helped 5es success

[charred saddle]

ok, in short, you ever see the minis on tables that generals use to run war sims in a tv show? the "war room" trope?

well that turned i to "War Games” or “wargaming”

Like turn backed strategy games that were played on tabletops moving little mini soldier pieces. two people (generals) would write hand written orders to there units and a neutral judge would decide how they interpreted the orders and who won the combat giving the cercomatances of the battlefield advantage and placement of the little mini dudes.

This eventually spread to the likes of fantasy armies like lord of the rings.

Then in the 70s the war gamers thought hey, lets have the players play just one little dude, all the players will be on the same side, and the judge will handle all the rest outside of the characters them selves. Just HOW it happens and IF it happens when attempted. This was the first Dumgeons and dragons game.

The rules are more streamline now but it is still the same dice used.

[hollow estuary]

I love [war caster]

[woven flint]

I love War Cleric

[flat wind]

Hey everyone 👋

Is this where I can ask about PC stuff? I'm kind of in a predicament, and I'm somewhat new to the game, and I need advice on something. If this is the wrong channel though, I apologize.

[karmic pendant]

probably #character-discussion

[flat wind]

Ok, thank you 👍

[clear lark]

I like Mage Slayer, but don't love it (or any feats).

[hollow estuary]

Mage slayer got kinda nerfed

now its just reverse war caster :(

[clear lark]

what was it about before?

[hollow estuary]

You used to be able to make a opportunity attack against someone if they cast a spell

[clear lark]

wow

[potent siren]

oof, I didnt realize they got rid of that

[knotty silo]

used to put it on all my barbarians

[knotty basin]

Speaking of feats, what are some feats that add extra limited resources for a rogue? No magic

UA is allowed

[knotty silo]

2014 or 2024 rules?

[hollow estuary]

You want specifically LIMITED or unlimited

[knotty basin]

Limited, 2014

[clear lark]

I remember when there was no such thing as Concentration. If you got hit, that's all she wrote. Spell failed and lost from memory.

[knotty silo]

lucky is the first one that comes to mind

[glass granite]

Whichever one that gave you battle master manoeuvres

[knotty silo]

martial adept?

[glass granite]

That’s the one

[slender mason]

just realised Genie breaks the trend

just says "Genie Spells" rather than "Oath of" spells

[knotty silo]

thats why genie is my fav warlock subclass

[glass granite]

I think they’re talking about Noble Genie paladin

[hollow estuary]

Dosent even say "Noble Genie Spells" Smh.

yall seen the new shield master? its really fun and cool.

[slender mason]

it's destroying my formatting because most stuff will be alphabetical if it's granted at the same level

[woven flint]

I cast heat metal on your shield

[hollow estuary]

Wrong shield little bro, I still have my first level abjuration spell

[woven flint]

Doesn't work on heat metal :3

[hollow estuary]

actually you still managed to strip away 2 AC from me with the heat meta

though 2d8 is probably less damage then what I would be taking if that 2 ac went away ]

[woven flint]

Then I Reckless attack :3

[hollow estuary]

wait so you were raging?

[woven flint]

Nope

I'm just a weird amalgamation of class features

[hollow estuary]

God alr.

[glass granite]

The Lord of Goofy is a formidable opponent