dnd-discussion

[tough cradle]

Hello

[knotty basin]

No, actually they’re a wrestler and they uh… just run fast or whatever

[clear lark]

It's not a magical ability, at least not in 2024

[old sluice]

Yet a quickling is faster than you but cannot.

[knotty basin]

It uses the monk mechanics, the character is not a monk

[old sluice]

I mean magic in the sense of "supernatural". Not magic in the D&D sense. Obviously

In the rules definition of it

[clear lark]

Well there is a difference and a distinction

[woven flint]

I'd say being Magic and being Supernatural are two different things

[knotty basin]

Ok, so?

[crimson gulch]

everything in dnd is magical because its a fantasy game, on the surface level. But this falls apart when ajudicading the rules for magical effects and spells

[old sluice]

Alright. Please replace all my uses of "magic" with "supernatural abilities". It does not change a thing to the substance of the issue but it should satisfy

[turbid vessel]

some systems are better than others at holding up to changing up the flavor. usually, the more mechanics that are provided to make the game run, the harder it is to reflavor things, because there's just more rules to consider.

[limber oriole]

Also there’s roleplay guys, i just could choose not to have my character run on water

[old sluice]

You do not see the problem? If you run on water because you are fast, then it stands to reason anyone as fast or faster than you should also run on water.

[clear lark]

Everything is not magical in D&D.

[knotty basin]

If we start working by real-life logic and physics, then that opens the door for a lot of other dumb stuff

Like the peasant railgun

[old sluice]

This is called a slippery slope fallacy. Nobody is arguing for opening that door.

[woven flint]

Which wouldn't work even applying real life logic because the average human simply can't move that fast.

[sleek cloud]

Opening that door without checking for traps,even

[old sluice]

Monks don't run on water because they are fast. If you cast slow on a monk so that they end up slower than everyone else, they still run on water.

Monks run on water because they have the supernatural ability to do so.

[limber oriole]

But hear me out

[knotty basin]

My character is not a monk, though

[limber oriole]

You flavour it in your game that they do

[knotty basin]

He’s a cool wrestler guy

[old sluice]

Then your character cannot run on water without a spell or a magic item.

[knotty basin]

Yes he can, it’s one of his features

[sleek cloud]

What class,poker

[crimson gulch]

oh, your playing a homebrew class? k

[old sluice]

Are we using some third party class I am not aware of?

[limber oriole]

It’s a character i’m looking at making

[woven flint]

Then congrats, you can run on water

Now, let's run on lava, Dark Souls 1 style

[knotty basin]

Monk, is not a monk narritively

[limber oriole]

I want a D&D character based on Ric Flair for a goof. My proposal was a bard/monk

[clear lark]

Just a quick note: It doesn't say the Monk "runs", it says they can move across. So they can run, walk or even crawl across liquid. RAW

[old sluice]

Of course. Diegetically, a monk is someone who is part of a monastery

[crimson gulch]

i prefer to think of it as a mild levitation

[woven flint]

(Mind you, Monks can run across any liquid, not just water: Level 9: Acrobatic Movement
While you aren’t wearing armor or wielding a Shield, you gain the ability to move along vertical surfaces and across liquids on your turn without falling during the movement.)

[knotty basin]

Yes, and this guy isn’t, yet he still has the ability to go over water

[limber oriole]

Man the rules for me are less laws and more a set of guidelines

[turbid vessel]

even baseline dnd requires a baseline amount of suspension of disbelief. not everything makes sense, and not everything is explained in the mechanics. sure, a non supernatural monk requires more suspension of disbelief compared to dnd's framework, but if everyone at the table is willing to suspend that belief, then it works. you don't have to explain everything, just like not every NPC needs a name or a prewritten backstory.

[old sluice]

Yes. Because he's a monk.

[limber oriole]

No he’s a wrestler

[knotty basin]

Not diegtetically

[old sluice]

Yes. He is a monk. Not in the diegesis but still a monk

Just like just about every monk character I have ever seen were not diegetically monks

[limber oriole]

I’m using the Monk mechanics but my character is a styling,profiling,limousine riding, jet flying, wheeling dealing son of a gun

[woven flint]

Okay.
The character class is still a Monk, therefore it still makes sense to refer to it as a Monk even if the characters identity isn't Monk.

[knotty basin]

We aren’t talking about the mechanics though

[sleek cloud]

Monk class, wrestler flavor.

[limber oriole]

And he’s having a hard time holding these alligators down

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[empty thicket]

Some martials you can kinda explain it, ifyou have to explain magic you must settle a whole system around and its....annoying. Its a game, enjoy it.

[old sluice]

Aren't we?

[crimson gulch]

you dont have to call yourself a monk to be a monk, i have 4 gus in one game that all camm themselves warriors.
one is a rogue, one is a paladin, one is a barbarian and one is a sorcerer

[knotty basin]

No?

[empty thicket]

If something is funny let it be

[woven flint]

Just say
"I'm playing a Monk who is actually a Wrestler and doesn't identify as a Monk" and avoid making pointless arguments

[knotty basin]

In-world or out-of-world?

[knotty basin]

Makes sense

[old sluice]

Seems to me we are talking narrative when your position needs it to be narrative and mechanics when your position requires it to be mechanics. May I remind you of my first message? The one where I said "if your character is an imitation of what pro wrestlers actually are, go fighter"?

[knotty basin]

Fighters don’t actually do wrestler-y stuff that well though

[woven flint]

Nah, Monk works just fine for wrestler tbh

[old sluice]

If your character can run on water, he is not an imitation of what pro wrestlers actually are. Because none of them can do that

[knotty basin]

Monks do

[limber oriole]

I just wouldn’t have my character run on water?

[empty thicket]

yeah, fighter can fight barehand but if you want the whole fantasy of a wrestler monk is a better option

[limber oriole]

Problem solved

[knotty basin]

It is a game about dragons and magic. Why are real wrestlers remotely relevant

[old sluice]

I don't see how. Take a fighter, be unarmed, make use of grappling. You're done.

[woven flint]

Or perhaps that footwork is so fancy that he can run over water in bursts.

[knotty basin]

Does barely any damage and just sucks

[empty thicket]

why fighter tho?

[turbid vessel]

i think you're getting really involved on having the flavor be prescriptive, when i think poker has made it clear the flavor is just descriptive

[old sluice]

I gave two options, remember? I said either imitate pro wrestlers or imitate what pro wrestlers are pretending to be

[limber oriole]

Man wait until this guy finds out i’m going to flavour unarmed attacks as Suplexes and back body drops

[old sluice]

If it's the second one, any class will do

[empty thicket]

Like, it can be barbarian too because can rage and get extra strength and all that.
It can be a rogue that move fast or literally can be a sorcerer and spam true strike

[woven flint]

THE MUSCLE WIZARD!
RAAAAGHHHH

[knotty basin]

Yes, that is what a monk is for. To imitate pro wrestlers

[limber oriole]

I mean technically if i was imitating what pro wrestlers actually are i’d go for Bard

[empty thicket]

that is a beauty of dnd, you can make and adapt a fantazy

[old sluice]

Real pro wrestlers barely do any damage. It's a grappling sport, it doesn't involve wounding people or killing them

[knotty basin]

Are you telling me real-life pro wrestlers are pretending to be wizards and bards?

[old sluice]

Undertaker.

[woven flint]

There's a difference between Wrestling and WWE.

[limber oriole]

Technically the Undertaker wasn’t a wizard

[old sluice]

No but he plays at his character being somewhat supernatural

[woven flint]

One could say he's a Necromancer!

[limber oriole]

He doesn’t raise other dead people

[woven flint]

Cmon!!!!!
Maybe Undertaker is a Lich.

[limber oriole]

He’s just super tanky and use lightning occasionally, so a Paladin?

[woven flint]

You don't have to raise the dead to be a Lich

[woven flint]

Paladins don't really use lightning spells is the issue

[bronze wave]

this water convo might be the funniest convo I ever read

[old sluice]

The question is: Are you playing Mark William Callaway or are you playing the Undertaker?

[limber oriole]

Thunderous Smite?

[bronze wave]

How are you walking on water are you a monk?

no

so how are you doing it?

with my monk class

so you are a monk?

no

[limber oriole]

What’s the difference? you mean to tell me wrestling isn’t real?

[woven flint]

Actually gave me an aneurysm

[turbid vessel]

i stg someone needs to stop this cause it's been like half an hour and nothing has changed

[old sluice]

Mark William Callaway is the guy who plays the Undertaker. In the same way Brad Pitt is not actually a World War II soldier.

[woven flint]

My brain is bleeding as we speak rn

[limber oriole]

What?

[cosmic roost]

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[idle oar]

New topic time

[woven flint]

Boy oh boy, I can't wait to play Waterdeep tonight and my party explain to me that while I was working on the bar during down time they decided to rob people

[bronze wave]

huh

[turbid vessel]

waterdeep is the funniest campaign to use as a starter cause introducing the bar tends to really split the party of people who wanna build a bar from the ground up, and the people who wanna go out and hit things

[empty thicket]

Until what point getting a heavy crossbow, ask my artificer to infuse it and use it like long range weapon is a good idea?

[woven flint]

I also can't wait to reach 3rd level and get that sweet sweet Knowledge Domain

[empty thicket]

im a figher btw, so i might do 2 to more attacks with it

[woven flint]

He's a Tortle Knowledge Cleric 😎

[old sluice]

Wouldn't it be simply better to get a longbow?

[empty thicket]

yeah, i have one but i want to give my artificer teammate an use to his infusion, the poor mf didnt used any in the whole campaign

[woven flint]

Our party is slightly unhinged, we're not the best people
My character is probably the most morally aligned, but he agrees with Majority of the parties takes and ideals

[turbid vessel]

i love knowledge domain so much
"every night i pray to my god, i pray... that i may have the strength to suffer these idiots. so many idiots..."

[knotty basin]

me fr

[woven flint]

We've got
Toby, A Tabaxi Barbarian
Hokrun, An Orc Monk
Emios, A Saytr Rogue
Ahan, A Human Sorcerer
And
Artanza, My Tortle Knowledge Cleric

Toby, Hokrun and Emios are all unhinged individuals

[old sluice]

Well at least Ahan is here

[woven flint]

Ahan and Artanza are pretty chill, they just have a mutual dislike for rude nobles

[old sluice]

And you're lucky D&D orcs are not actually boar-people. Otherwise it would just be a travelling petting zoo

[turbid vessel]

ahan's like "i'm here to clock in at 9 and clock out at 5, leave me out of this"

[rough basalt]

My Tuesday party is pretty unhinged

[umbral girder]

Ngl that’s my preferred style of orc

[rough basalt]

Compared to my usual parties

[umbral girder]

I know DnD has moved away from Boar Orcs

[stray atlas]

so bit of an odd question

[rough basalt]

Our parties unhingedness being carried by a true daughter of skyrim

[woven flint]

Artanza had to keep Hokrun from beating a tied up Kenku we were questioning and had to teach him that they can only typically speak in phrases they've heard a few times

[rough basalt]

It's funny
Before that game started the voice channel for it was called Waterdeep Legends.

[stray atlas]

is the only way for a vampire spawn to become free is if they kill their master?

[rough basalt]

Then after 1 session it became Waterdeep Menaces

[umbral girder]

Usually yeah

[woven flint]

He's the groups residential old man

[limber oriole]

I have a pretty goofy party, absolute lunatics and fringes of society and there’s just my Paladin

[stray atlas]

wdym usually?

[woven flint]

That's how you know we were going crazy first session

[limber oriole]

He’s a good dude

[umbral girder]

There are other odd ways, Asterion is an example of someone who had a different way to break from his master’s control

[old sluice]

Or if the master frees them. Or if someone else kills the master. Or if some magic gets involved

[umbral girder]

A recent Strahd novel also came with another method

[rough basalt]

Peak novel

[stray atlas]

wdym by frees them?

[limber oriole]

Makes them a full on Vampire

[stray atlas]

like do they just say "you're free now"?

[umbral girder]

They can turn a spawn into a true vampire and lose control over them

[old sluice]

By making them full vampires normally. Though it might be possible to free a vampire spawn without giving them the full package

[timid current]

sorry for necro!

[old sluice]

I suppose it may involve breaking whatever link exists between master and spawn. And there is the question of whether or not that link survives planar boundaries

Also, a vampire spawn is freed by dying. Or by being transformed into something else.

[clear lark]

The 2024 MM doesn't say anthing about a spawn being free or turning into a real Vampire if their master is killed. Only a Vampire Familiar is free if their master is killed

[old sluice]

This question kind of relies on using lore material outside the Monster Manual

But it is true that, as for the MM, they're just screwed

So... Did a beloved PC or NPC get turned and you're looking for options?

[hearty bay]

is it crazy to say that the barbarian is the least flexible class, as far as choices are concerned, in the entire game?

[sleek cloud]

I’d probably pick monk over that

[raw ocean]

The simplicity is the charm, grow big and crush stuff

[clear lark]

wdm?

[hearty bay]

every caster can choose spells to fit a flavor, and barbarian is one of the few non-casters

fighters can choose special maneuvers among a list, and also get extra feats, so they're more customizable

barbarian doesn't get any choices beyond feats and weapon mastery (in 2024)

[snow agate]

yeah i agree

[hearty bay]

like, I don't mind being just a bonk machine

but having choices on how to bonk is always fun

[proper skiff]

I need some lore based rule lawyers

[turbid vessel]

lore lawyers? loreyers?

[proper skiff]

Are tieflings tails prehensile (might gotten the word wrong or spelling)

Or are they more akin to real life animals

[hearty bay]

thinking about it, monk kinda wins because they don't even get weapon mastery, but they also get more unique stuff to do

[proper skiff]

I read 6 books with twin teifling protagonists and this was never addressed and it bothers me.

[hearty bay]

barbarian feels like it should peak at crit fishing with a greataxe, just to send the bbeg to pathfinder when the crit lands

not many things to choose from, so might as well go for the biggest number

[turbid vessel]

i reckon this is answered by the way a lot of dnd lore is answered: if you want it to be, sure!

previously a large debate was if tieflings even had tails

[proper skiff]

So correct people Vs wrong people

Much like those silly people who claims dragonborns has tails

[turbid vessel]

i "regret" to inform you that there is art in 2024 of dragonborns with tails

[proper skiff]

Yes however you see I come from the league of legends lore community. I am used to looking at allegedly official lore, and what a company tells me is canon and declare it fan fic and alt universe

[jovial badger]

whats happening

[raw ocean]

True strike should not be a concentration spell, I will stand by this info till I die

[turbid vessel]

lucky for you in the 2024 revision it no longer is
it actually functions completley differently

[rich axle]

If you read the description on Draconblood Dragonborn it is specified that they have tails while a ravennite does not have a tail so it depends on the type

[umbral girder]

That’s why it isn’t anymore

[raw ocean]

A tear truly just dropped down my face...

[proper skiff]

I do not recognise the term draconblood or ravennite

[knotty basin]

Now it just makes an attack but with your magic stat

[turbid vessel]

now instead of giving advantage on your next attack, you make an attack with your spellcasting trait instead of str/dex
and it gets extra radiant damage as it levels up

[raw ocean]

I see the radiant damage buff, im going to start slaughtering demons using this

[umbral girder]

I mean demons don’t take bonus damage from radiant besides maybe shadow demons

[rich axle]

They are just different types of Dragonborn’s that do different stuff

[turbid vessel]

it's really good for eldritch knights because at level 7 you can replace an attack with a cantrip

[rich axle]

They are from the explorers guide to wildemount

[knotty basin]

If I want to expand my strategy options as a 2014 rogue, what are some things I can pick? My subclass is swashbuckler

[raw ocean]

Im about to buy like 200 true strike scrolls for my party fighter

[proper skiff]

Also spirit guardian would do damage if you walk up to someone on your turn?

[raw ocean]

Does D&D even have an official price for magic scrolls?

[knotty basin]

I think 2024 conjure animals does this

Which is really funny if you have a way to negate opportunity attacks

[proper skiff]

Go all out into char and gaslight your way out of every fight, make the best rouge ever written proud, Nicoma Cosca

[umbral girder]

For first level and cantrips yes, the rest is usually how the DM feels with guidelines for it

[sleek cloud]

Good luck finding 2 scrolls of true strike at once much less 200

[proper skiff]

Just get pen and paper and copy it?

[raw ocean]

My character has 2 million gold

level 17 bard failed merchant background strikes again

[sleek cloud]

Dm definitely overpaid yall

[raw ocean]

Nah, I started a drug buisness and gambled

All on red three times in a row

[limber oriole]

I got a good question for you guys

[raw ocean]

whole party was stressing

[limber oriole]

Well helpful to me at least, do you guys use spell components?

[proper skiff]

Every time we are about to get a payout something always happens to the quest giver..

[raw ocean]

Depends

[proper skiff]

It's not even the DM doing it on purpose it's just our decision making and dice rolls ensures we stay poor

[raw ocean]

If the players aren't abusing crazy spell combos, no

[limber oriole]

And if so/if not. Why?

[limber oriole]

How do you mean?

[raw ocean]

Spamming force cage and cloudkill

[old sluice]

Yes.

[sleek cloud]

Yes

[old sluice]

I go by RAW. I am strict on spell components

In fact I have even considered removing foci and component pouches.

[limber oriole]

Does that not take up a considerable amount of time for players to go shopping/foraging?

[raw ocean]

Yes, but you get roleplay

[old sluice]

They can do that off-session

[umbral girder]

2 million by level 17 makes sense

[raw ocean]

Im bouta drop a mil on some iron golems

[umbral girder]

It isn’t that hard around those levels to get that much.

[clear lark]

Kind of hard to spam spell slots

[old sluice]

No mistletoe in the desert means no goodberries.

[umbral girder]

So a SpellScroll or spell focus for Goodberry

[limber oriole]

See that’s an explanation I understand

[raw ocean]

What Slimmy means is that if you or the players don’t want to spend session time actually shopping, the players can just tell you what they want to buy outside the session instead.

[limber oriole]

But how do you deal with the situation of ‘right, we know where the bad guy is, we’re all ready to go get him….wait i need to head to town for two bluzballs and a wazoo’

[old sluice]

And really the vast majority of material components are easy to acquire.

[crimson gulch]

The component Pouch or focus works good, I'm strict on gold costed components

[old sluice]

We deal with it by having the PCs go to town for the two bluzballs and the wazoo.

[limber oriole]

By that i meant i understand why you would use it as a way to encourage roleplaying.

[raw ocean]

My character has hired a personal servent that does the shopping for him

[raw ocean]

Some players just dont like to roleplay shopping

[snow agate]

i was thinking of having the human fighter with a longsword and plate armor, but im feeling adventurous today. maybe human paladin

[raw ocean]

It's a sad truth

[limber oriole]

I get that, i do. It just may be a bit anti-climactic for me.

[limber oriole]

I mean i love any chance to roleplay

[old sluice]

Then they don't have to. Unless the component they need is something that can't easily be found. Then it can be a quest

[raw ocean]

Are you asking us this from a player or DM stand point?

[old sluice]

How do you find a gilded skull? You need a skull and you need a craftsperson to work on it

And you need the stuff you're putting on it

[crimson gulch]

I stick spell components in loot hoards all the time

[old sluice]

And there are no honeycombs to be found in the arctic.

[crimson gulch]

You find a sack of gemstones!

And sometimes they don't check for diamonds before selling it

[crimson gulch]

Sure there is, icewiwnd dale barbarians drink so much mead

[old sluice]

Icewind Dale is not in the arctic.

[limber oriole]

Kinda both, always been a player but am looking to DM

[umbral girder]

Find a caster who has one

[old sluice]

It is quite south of the pole.

[old sluice]

That is also a possibility!

[crimson gulch]

The artic just means bears live here, there's bears there

[umbral girder]

Like the Player’s aren’t the only ones messing with these spells after all

[raw ocean]

You can always just heat metal like 5 gold coins and just pour it into a skull evenly, I dont know why people go out of their way to gild stuff

[old sluice]

... Okay so the funny thing is that, etymologically, you're not wrong. Which makes your trolling even more frustrating due to how well thought-out it is

[raw ocean]

Matter of fact you can use any metal to gild a skull

[crimson gulch]

I am to please

[old sluice]

1. Heat metal does not melt metals
2. Gilding is a precise procedure. It means "covered thinly with gold leaf or gold paint" this is not thin, or gold leaves or gold paint.
3. The skull must be worth 300 gp. Even if that method worked, and it doesn't, that gives you a skull worth less than the 5 gp you used

[raw ocean]

"while gilding most often refers to gold leaf, the term also applies to other metals turned into leaf, like copper, aluminum, palladium, and silver"

[old sluice]

So still not leaf, nor paint, nor thin, nor worth enough, nor even possible with heat metal

So this adresses none of the actual problems with this method

[crimson gulch]

I had someone make a gold skull like that, they did it Kal drogo sy
Style

[raw ocean]

I can combat all of those points with text descriptions and pulling the "technically" you can, but I don't feel like doing all of it unless you want my specific points

[glass granite]

What text description and technicality allows you to use heat metal like that?

[raw ocean]

Alright, give me like a minute or two to type

[old sluice]

I honestly do not think you can, in good faith. Heat metal does not melt metals, that is unarguable.

And there is no way you can melt 5 gp to end up with enough gold to be worth 300

[limber oriole]

Slimmy can i ask a question?

When you’re DMing, what would your split of roleplaying, exploration and combat be?

[woven flint]

Spells do what they say they do
It's not melt metal for a reason :p

[reef tundra]

Slimmy ain’t the only DM here 😎

[limber oriole]

Oh i know! I just wanted to see if a hunch i had was correct!

[old sluice]

I honestly do not know. It varies by sessions. Some sessions are mostly combat, some exclusively exploration, some exclusively social intrigue...

[crimson gulch]

Roleplay happens In exploration and combat

[limber trail]

For me it's up to players, and varies from session to session. Generally more social encounters than the others in a given session

[minor cargo]

In one of my group's roleplay, there's plenty of exploration, too. 🫦

[old sluice]

And roleplay is not a separate thing. It happens when you're fighting and exploring too

[reef tundra]

Ah Oki

[glass granite]

80% roleplay, 20% exploration, 33% combat. Tweak each percentage depending on the situation and table.

Math is mathing

[old sluice]

And some sessions are a mix of things. I don't have a rule for how a session should be balanced

[crimson gulch]

50% combat 30% exploration and 20% dialog is how I normally go

[limber oriole]

Ah okay i see, you strike me as a more combat oriented guy.

[hidden spindle]

I'm not slimy but RP 100%, combat 300%, and exploration 200%

[crimson gulch]

I like your math

[knotty basin]

80% combat, 20% roleplay

[old sluice]

Well I do think D&D is primarily about the combat. The character sheet are mostly about it, or how to avoid it.

[limber oriole]

70% of the time it works Everytime

[woven flint]

I'm not a dm but...
AAAAAARRRRGHHH.. AAAAAHHHH!!!
IT'S ALL ROLEPLAY!
THAT'S THE GAME!!!

[old sluice]

And combat is always an option. Combat defines D&D. You explore on your way to the next combat, or to avoid a combat. Every situation can become a combat

[limber oriole]

Actually it’s a game about dungeons and dragons

[woven flint]

Actually . . .

You're no longer safe in your own abode.

[limber oriole]

You promise?

[old sluice]

Those characters are primarily people who fight. Not always but it is their main skill

[hidden spindle]

Combat takes a big chunk of time.

[woven flint]

The lord of Goofs is now your biggest OPP, dude.

It's onsight!

[minor cargo]

One of my home games is 25% combat, 75% roleplay, 0% exploration.

My last short/contained campaign was more like 60% combat, 25% roleplay, 15% exploration.

My other short campaign was like... 80% combat, 20% roleplay, 0% exploration.

Lots of cool ways to use D&D.

[limber oriole]

I’m a lover, not a fighter. Why can’t we be friends?

[glass granite]

I like the idea of fren

[woven flint]

I eat people.

[old sluice]

I play a lot of other games. But D&D has a genre and that genre is... its own thing. But it exists at the periphery of action-adventure and a few other

[limber oriole]

Oh honey, me too

[woven flint]

Did you just call me honey?
Fr?
You mean it?
Freaky style?
On god?

[crimson gulch]

I run dnd only and I run a lot of it

[old sluice]

And if I want to run something with little to no combat... I run Vampire the Masquerade or Good Society or Dark Heresy

[raw ocean]

I'm sending this in 2 parts just in case it's slightly too long, remember the only point I'm arguing is that you can technically cheese a gilded skull into existence anywhere with heat metal

[old sluice]

Well, Dark Heresy is a weird case

[raw ocean]

You can use Heat Metal to melt softer metals like silver, aluminum, tin, or some bronze alloys, since the spell can heat them to red-hot temperatures (about 500–1000°C). Once the metal is molten, you can briefly dip a skull into it to coat it with a thin metal layer—a crude but effective magical form of gilding

Traditional gilding uses gold leaf or chemical bonding, but this still counts as covering an object with metal.

I’m not completely sure whether the skull itself needs to be worth 300 gp before coating, but since D&D usually requires the component to have its value before modification, I’m assuming you’d need to use a naturally high-value skull from a valuable creature.

[woven flint]

Again, the spell doesn't melt metal.

[glass granite]

“Dnd is not a physics simulator”

[old sluice]

Well that's the problem. No, you can't.

[crimson gulch]

I'd you had Smiths tools you could argue that you are attempting to craft the skull

[woven flint]

Heat Metal...
Heats Metal.
Anything beyond heating Metal is outside of the rules

[crimson gulch]

Or by using the fabricate spell

[raw ocean]

Could you guys explain to me HOW you melt metal?

[old sluice]

Nope. You're mistaken. The gilded skull is the component, not the skull.

[knotty basin]

Not how spells work

[raw ocean]

Ok, that wasen't the question.

How do you melt metal?

[limber oriole]

Technically does it not also have to be a manufactured metal as well?

[old sluice]

With a furnace traditionally. There are other methods but it's the classic

[limber oriole]

Vis a vis weaponry?

[woven flint]

We're all telling you
The spell
Heat Metal
Despite Heating Metal
Does NOT Melt Metal.

[raw ocean]

Ok what does a furnace do to the metal?

[woven flint]

Because spells only do what spells say they do.

[limber oriole]

Melt it

[old sluice]

It melts it.

[raw ocean]

Alright, what happens to make it melt?

[limber oriole]

Heat

[knotty basin]

You put it in the furnace

[old sluice]

I don't think you understand what is likely the most basic rule of the game.

[raw ocean]

So if I use the heat metal spell on a piece of metal that someone's wearing, it dosen't heat them up correct?

[limber oriole]

The heat of a furnace is hotter than the armour/weaponry gets when casting heat metal

[crimson gulch]

Dnd is not a physicis simulator, heat metal does 2d8 damage it dosent melt things

[raw ocean]

The spell not called "Heat a person up" spell

[knotty basin]

Yes, it does fire damage instead

[raw ocean]

So it burns them, dosen't heat them up?

[old sluice]

The most basic rule of the game is spells do what they say they do. Heat metal does not say it melts them, therefore it can't melt metal

[knotty basin]

Nope, doesn’t inflict the burning condition

[woven flint]

You think that this is a valid argument, but it isn't.
A furnace specifically melts Metal.
Heat Metal HEATS Metal, but it's a spell, not physics, therefore it ONLY heats the Metal and doesn't melt it.

[limber oriole]

By that logic why do metal kettles not melt?

Or cast iron pans, heat is relative

[raw ocean]

So your saying, basic common sense is completely thrown out of the window when you look at the spell name

[knotty basin]

When you look at the spell’s effects, yes

[buoyant oar]

Spells are not named for common sense.

[woven flint]

No, we're saying basic common sense is recognizing that magic isn't physics and only does as far as the spell says.

[raw ocean]

So if I heat up a pot to 1000C using fire, will it melt metal?

[buoyant oar]

Spells are named for myriad of reasons. Like Chill Touch being a Ranged Necrotic spell instead of a cold touch.

[limber oriole]

The heat metal spell doesn’t make things that hot

[crimson gulch]

If your engaging in item crafting it's not the rules of spells your looking for In dnd

[old sluice]

See, the thing you are doing is a semantic trick.
Because melting requires heating, you are saying that all heating results in melting. Trees, forests, all that.
Let's put it another way:
Your idea is as absurd as saying that because making bread requires lighting an oven, that means lighting an oven always results in bread.

[woven flint]

By that Logic, fireball should logistically instantly kill people because it's an explosion.

[old sluice]

Names don't matter, description does.

[buoyant oar]

Heat metal does not specify it melts things.

Spells only do what they say, no more no less.

[limber oriole]

Or that because heat melts metal, all iron pans should melt at any heat

[old sluice]

Oh that's good!

[raw ocean]

"You cause the object to glow red-hot.", red hot is a blanket term for heating up metal to extrem heat [around 500-1000C]

[knotty basin]

Doesn’t matter

[buoyant oar]

99.999% of people do die in a fireball. The 4hp commoner woes.

[limber oriole]

Or hear me out, magic

[raw ocean]

A simple fire won't make a pan glow red hot

[old sluice]

In the context of D&D it just means that it is visually red hot.

It won't melt. Because the spell does not say it melts.

[raw ocean]

You said it's the spell description, it never said it visually makes it red hot?

[limber oriole]

It could in essence just the representation of the spell

[woven flint]

John.
Everyone currently in the chat is telling you that Heat Metal doesn't melt things, what makes you think that you're correct and we're all wrong if everyone but you agrees and understands the rules?

[old sluice]

This is the most basic rule of D&D. I advise you read the core rulebook again.

[limber oriole]

You cause the object to glow red-hot. It could easily be the glow causing the heat

[buoyant oar]

The spells of DnD are the one place in the book, you should never attempt assume what that should theoretically do. They do what they say and nothing else.

[old sluice]

"Glow red-hot". It's visual.

"Glowing" is a visual property.

[raw ocean]

So it's just up to DM to DM

[limber oriole]

But dude in your games absolutely run it that way

[woven flint]

The commoner when I casually nuke them

[knotty basin]

Not really

[limber oriole]

No one can stop you

[old sluice]

A given DM may houserule it. But RAW, it does not melt metal.

[buoyant oar]

A DM can run that way, but it is incongruent with the text at a basic level.

[woven flint]

Nope, because RAW, Heat Metal only heats Metal and has no long term effects on metal.

[minor cargo]

This is how I view it. Yeah, you can use your above logic and some DMs might say "Yeah, checks out. Heat metal works that way now." Or they might say, "Sorry, doesn't work here."

Both decisions are totally valid.

[raw ocean]

So can I cook a steak on a pan that was heated by the heat metal spell?

[buoyant oar]

and when having discussions it is best to pre-empt them with "This is how I do it." otherwise, you should assume RAW in public as its the baseline for us all.

[limber oriole]

I mean the steak would take 2d8 damage

[knotty basin]

Actually it wouldn’t

[cerulean monolith]

Both decisions are valid but only one is ‘correct’ if that carries any weight

[limber oriole]

Which seems a lot for a slab of meat

[raw ocean]

Alright, this is how I personally see it, since it makes sense to me that heating a metal will… well, heat the metal.

[knotty basin]

Heat metal doesn’t damage objects

[crimson gulch]

I would call for a cooks utensils roll at disadvantage If you were cooking with the heat metal spell

[knotty basin]

Only creatures

[knotty basin]

Congrats, you have invented grilling

[minor cargo]

For this server? I think sometimes we over-estimate the weight of that measurement. 😩

[old sluice]

Might damage the bacterias and parasites inside the steak though

[crimson gulch]

Yes!

[limber oriole]

I mean it WAS a creature, i also want to see how well done a steak would be after taking 2d8 fire damage

[old sluice]

But I don't know if bacteria are really a thing in D&D or if diseases are caused by miasma or evil spirits

[crimson gulch]

Diseases aren't really a thing in the 2024 rules anymore, mixed feelings on that

[raw ocean]

So if you put a giant metal jacket on a cow, then heat metal

You can cook the cow to perfection all through out?

[snow agate]

you could also impale the cow with a metal pole

[limber oriole]

I mean it’s likely ash at that point

[knotty basin]

RAW it doesn’t cook it

[woven flint]

No

[raw ocean]

Im not saying RAW, im just saying hypothetically

[snow agate]

sure why not

[knotty basin]

Then ask your DM, not us

[raw ocean]

Poker, aren't you the same guy who said tinker bell wasen't a tinkerer

[fossil hollow]

that sounds like one of those close lid steak grills.... actually, thats literally what it would be like

[minor cargo]

Hmm. I hope this doesn't come off too combative but...

At this point, is there much value to continue picking away at this topic? I kind of felt like we squeezed most of the value out of it. Or are we just trying to start more fights and arguments to pass the time?

If we're just butting heads, that's fine. I sometimes just like to check in - because some people might not be engaging in that way.

[woven flint]

Heat Metal doesn't cook things, it doesn't melt things, it HEATS Metal and does 2d8 fire damage to any creature that touches it when casted at its lowest level.

[crimson gulch]

I'm getting hungry reading all this

[fossil hollow]

you might get a nice nice sear

[raw ocean]

That's what im saying

[limber oriole]

I can eat a steak

[fossil hollow]

God i want steak now too

[hollow estuary]

#1 Iron is a chemical element in blood. Cut someones finger so you can see blood.

#2 Cast heat metal on their blood.

#3 watch them like.. internally burn for a minute. EZ

[snow agate]

so i can heat metal my frying pan and put bacon in it

[raw ocean]

Im gonna heat metal an entire skillet and cook like 20 steaks

[woven flint]

No.

[limber oriole]

Has to be manufactured

[snow agate]

yeah i can wdym

[raw ocean]

Erm but technically the body manufactures the blood

[weak crag]

Guys I need help making a character and I can’t share how my sheet is going

[limber oriole]

So you essentially just have to inject someone with synthetic blood

[woven flint]

I'm gonna replace everyones bones with Metal and hire angry druids to heat them when I get upset.

[fossil hollow]

You also have to see the iron...

[hot marlin]

Those last few days have been awfully argumentative. And it's often been less than sensical

[raw ocean]

So technically isen't everything in existence manufactured by something?

[hollow estuary]

Aight I can work with this,

#1 Coat your spear in mercury,

#2 Poke!

#3 Wait for it to circulate.

#4 HEAT METAL!

#5 Fun :D

[weak crag]

Guys?

[raw ocean]

#character-discussion

[woven flint]

#1 I put a bomb in your carriage

#2 profit

[weak crag]

Thanks

[woven flint]

You take...
3d8 fire damage

[hollow estuary]

#1 Silvery barbs.

#2 Ask DM to roll a investigation check on the recently flipped table.

[fossil hollow]

id also like to ask, where are you getting Mercury

[hollow estuary]

(any mettalic liquid works)

[woven flint]

It's not a skill check to just put a bomb somewhere :p

[fossil hollow]

if its made out of metal yes

[raw ocean]

From the mercury man?

[fossil hollow]

and where will you find the mercury man?

[hollow estuary]

(Sleight of hand to do it without me noticing)

[old sluice]

Not what "manufacture" means. It is the transformation of raw materials into finished goods. In what world is blood finished goods?

[hollow estuary]

Conjuration.

[woven flint]

No, I do it out right, I want you to notice and watch me blow up your carriage

[raw ocean]

Troll blood can become finished goods in a health potion probably

[fossil hollow]

thats not finding

[old sluice]

If it's in a health potion, it's not a finished good. It's a raw material.

[hollow estuary]

... Hmm... Interesting.

Dex save, Shield master, Reaction: Interpose shield.

No damage EZ.

[old sluice]

That is the opposite of what "finished good" means

[hollow estuary]

if we "find" mercury, its not manufactured and dosent work :(

we need to make mercury

[fossil hollow]

still doesnt change what i said

[remote wadi]

Couldn't you just make a sword with a rock handle?

[woven flint]

Doesn't damage you, but it sure still destroys your carriage

[hollow estuary]

Nooooo Carriage! 😢

[remote wadi]

Even just cosmetically, it would look awesome

[hollow estuary]

I actually dont know

Oh wait, Divination, 4rth level ritual

[inner silo]

Is feywanderer worth picking up if you don't care that much about charisma?

[idle oar]

Possibly. What do you want to do?

[inner silo]

I really like it's flavour of being from like a parallel "whimsical" world and i like the additional damage, spell list, free misty steps and upgraded summon fey

[raw ocean]

D&D is cool, I think everyone should enjoy it!

[hollow estuary]

yeah sure.

[idle oar]

Then it seems like a good fit for what you like. It may not be the "best" in a mechanical optimization way but unless your group is big into optimization and balances things towards that, it should be fine.

[inner silo]

Alrighty, thanks!

Time to be a feywild myconid

[hollow estuary]

Hey undying! Noticed that your here.

Question for you:

If the main setting for the 2024 rules is greyhawk in the 2024 DMG, why cant we cast 10+ level spells? Boccob is the god of magic in greyhawk and im not aware of any event that caused him to ban epic magic.

[idle oar]

The game designers haven't said. But the circle magic stuff coming out may hint at future plans.
I assume there's also game balance and mechanical reasons to keep spell levels capped at level 9.

Interesting question

[hollow estuary]

Again.. this would.. only make sense for faerun.

Casting 10th level spells in TFG (the forgotten realms) requires two or more casters working togeather, which is inline with your circle magic theory but again.. greyhawk.

[raw ocean]

My DM hit me with a 12th level guiding bolt once

[hollow estuary]

Mystral and Mystra reading this rn:

[old sluice]

You're inverting cause and effect. Lore comes after mechanics. Lore justifies the mechanics, the mechanics don't have to justify the lore

[idle oar]

I get that but again the game designers haven't said. So I assume there's game balance and mechanical reasons why we haven't seen spell levels above 9th level yet in D&D 5e.

And as I said previously, the circle casting may hint at ways they can bring those higher level spells into the game mechanics in a balanced way but who knows?

[hollow estuary]

So where lore that justifies the no 10th level spells in greyhawk 🤔

[old sluice]

The people who wrote the Ban didn't think "oh that's a neat piece of lore. But it means that players will be limited to 9th level spells"
They thought "We need to limit spells to 9th level in FR so let's invent some lore to explain it"

[fickle heart]

That's not necessarily true, to be honest. It's very common to start from either direction or even cycle between them.

(This can be a bit different for systems aiming to be agnostic, but even then "preferred lores" stick around.)

[old sluice]

Not needed.

What would you even do with 10th level spells? You won't get the spell slots to use them

[hollow estuary]

Book of exalted deeds can let you cast 10th level ones

10th level wish.

[quick pike]

Ick. Casters have enough spells.

[limber oriole]

I’d use it to wish for popcorn rn

[old sluice]

Book of Exalted Deeds is a third edition book. Go play that

[limber oriole]

Toffee Popcorn

[hollow estuary]

Nuh uh! I was talking about the artifact!

is it okay if I send the link into dms?

[crimson gulch]

10th level Conjure minor elementals was lit on my one player that had that

[raw ocean]

Oh boy I cant wait to cast a completely reasonable wish spell! (The DM of unreasonable monkey paws and despair)

[umbral girder]

The Book of Exalted deeds is a neat artifact. I should use it some day.

[hollow estuary]

One of the properties of the book is:

Enlightened Magic. After you spend the requisite amount of time reading and studying the book, any spell slot you expend to cast a spell counts as a spell slot of one level higher.

[crimson gulch]

I have used just about every artifact in the dmg

[quick pike]

I have BoED and BoVD downstairs somewhere.

[limber oriole]

Would Mystra just deny the 9th level spell in that case?

[raw ocean]

I would tell mystra to go get a job

[old sluice]

Oh yeah. It auto upcasts spells. But what does that change? You still don't have 10th level spell slots

[raw ocean]

My favorite passtime, attempting to rage bait D&D gods

[limber oriole]

Also Mystra can just say no to your spells

[hollow estuary]

If Mystra cant ban 10th level elvish high magic then she sure as hell cant ban the written embodiement of good in the multiverse.

[old sluice]

Moreover, there is no difference between a 9th and 10th level wish

Harder to counterspell, maybe?

[hazy star]

I know there is a page here for looking for a group to join, but does anyone here know if there are many text based campaigns there? I’m looking for somewhere I could join a game that doesn’t require massive chunks of time at once but could be poster to on regular intervals. If there aren’t many of those here, one one know where I could find games like that?

[limber oriole]

Actually in the elven case

She ceded right of refusal to Correlon

[snow agate]

they show up every so often

[idle oar]

Look for terms like "play by post", "pbp", "text only", "westmarch"

[hollow estuary]

who chose to only let elves cast it

[limber oriole]

Meaning that she theoretically could have cancelled it

[hollow estuary]

Naw, not under her domain.

[raw ocean]

Opinion on gambling in D&D?

[limber oriole]

Not anymore, but it was

[umbral girder]

Yeah Correlon is also the God of Magic

[hollow estuary]

Honestly this means we shouldent even be able to bladesing 🤔

[limber oriole]

It’s magic, which is the domain of Mystra. She made an arrangement with Correlon so he could control it

[umbral girder]

Helps that Correlon is a god with reach beyond the Forgotten realms.

[old sluice]

Gods and their arrangements...

[hazy star]

Thanks! I’ll keep an eye out for those.

[old sluice]

I swear, they're all crooks.

[limber oriole]

I mean Correlon can be the god of magic, Mystra literally controls the means of production for spell casting

[raw ocean]

Can archfey be considered gods or god-like in power?

[hollow estuary]

Depends

[limber oriole]

She let it slide, who knows if she would with the book of exalted deeds

[old sluice]

Kinda yes. Generally, archfey, demon lords, arch devils and whatever the celestial equivalent is, are considered minor deities. Very minor

[hollow estuary]

Because AO who has the domain of balance under his name would totally let her put restrictions on the embodiment of all good in the multiverse.

[old sluice]

But a full on god can be an archdevil. See Tiamat.

[sweet loom]

Might do a game of thrones dnd

[old sluice]

Or Lolth, who is both a goddess and a demon lord.

[limber oriole]

But she’s not doing that, she’s stopping a 10th level spell from being cast

[raw ocean]

I wonder what's the fastest way you can become a deity in D&D

[old sluice]

Don't. Use the Game of Thrones RPG

[umbral girder]

Yeah Asmodeus and Tiamat are usually the big examples

[sweet loom]

Nahhhhhhh

[idle oar]

pay the DM extra /jk

[limber oriole]

By all means use it to upcast to a ninth level spell but 10th level are expressly banned

[sweet loom]

I'ma do a. Game of thrones dnd

[umbral girder]

Play 3e

[raw ocean]

I literally paid my DM $20 once to have a bird swoop down and kidnap the party kobold

So worth it

[fossil hollow]

Karsus' folly

[limber oriole]

Also her banning 10th level spells isn’t exactly overreach. If Ao had a problem with it, he would’ve brought it up by now

[idle oar]

I guess another option is to become the DM /mostly joking

[limber oriole]

Get 2-3 people to believe you are a god

[hollow estuary]

#dm-discussion message

Made a guide on how to do this

[minor cargo]

I know it's kind of a cop-out, but when people want to play gods in D&D, I find it's usually because they want to have big, sweeping effects on the world. So for them, I think a worldbuilding game (like Microscope) can scratch that itch!

It's not D&D of course, but it can totally kick off a great D&D campaign setting!

[woven flint]

Isn't Ao literally dead? 😭

[fossil hollow]

no

Still moderating Realmspace

[raw ocean]

Wait... IM IN THE FORGOTTEN REALMS!

Yknow what, I don't want my DM to hate me

[limber oriole]

Nope, Ao came down. Kicked arse and then left

[fossil hollow]

doing overgod stuff

[limber oriole]

Ao is the hands off manager who only gets involved when he has to, but it’s bad news if he does get involved

[woven flint]

I need Ao's permission to kiss Bahamut

[raw ocean]

My party member recently got their hands on bahamut's sword

[hollow estuary]

I'm saying the book of exalted deeds isent a mortal.

It's a artifact, mystra only banned mortals from casting 10th level.

You cast the spell. The book makes it stronger

[fossil hollow]

Nah, just Bahamut's

[limber oriole]

But a Mortal is then casting the spell

[raw ocean]

Some old dude came over offering anything for it, we settled on 4 legendary items and my party member turned it down

[hollow estuary]

Mortals casting 9th level spells is allowed

[limber oriole]

So a mortal is casting a 10th level spell and Mystra says nuh uh

[hollow estuary]

Imagine the sun as the spell your casting and the book is a magnifying glass

[shy stirrup]

The only 10th Level spell that I'm on board with is the DM Spell

[hollow estuary]

And 10th level isent totally banned. Mystra just made it REALLY HARD.

[fossil hollow]

"the power of the sun, in the palm of my hand"

[raw ocean]

What's everyones favorite D&D creature?

[limber oriole]

I mean she just doesn’t allow it

[raw ocean]

Basic, but I really like the false hydra

[snow agate]

thats nott even

[woven flint]

If you look in the Book of Vile darkness, I put my signature in there for the lols

[raw ocean]

I know.

:(

If only it was official.

Still waiting for the day I find a DM that uses one to it's full potential

[hollow estuary]

Negative. Two mages with 9th level casting abilities who work TOgeather using a complex ritual can have a chance to pull it off.

The first time they try they will fail 100% of the time no matter what

But it's possivle

[young drift]

Quick question, If I made my DnD campaign in a way that travelling from region to region is through teleportation, does that seem viable?

[raw ocean]

What if we just all use the power of friendship to cast a 100th level spell?

[hollow estuary]

No.

[limber oriole]

I mean for it to be possible it would require two wizards of highest possible level of intelligence and magical power

[raw ocean]

You cannot avoid the 100th level disintegrate on that one random villager!

[old sluice]

I cannot emphasise enough how bad an idea this is. The magic system in ASOIAF is completely different from D&D. Fights are always deadly and people die of infection even after winning them. An important plot point of the first book is that a character breaks his leg. The most important plot point that starts the plot is that a character gets paralyzed after a fall.

[hollow estuary]

YEP!

so now that we've proven it's THEORETICALLy possible. We can now use the book of exalted deeds to demonstrate that

[limber oriole]

Okay, find me two Elminsters

[minor cargo]

In my experience, this is a really good strategy! But it's important to realize that it makes the world seem "smaller". So if you still want that idea of journeying through the world, you may want to add in some other factors there.

For example, it could take days or even weeks of work just to stand-up one teleportation anchor.

[hollow estuary]

No it would take two 20th level wizards not elminsters

[fossil hollow]

He can cast Simulacrum

[hollow estuary]

Preferably more but two is the minimum

[fossil hollow]

Manshoon can definitely circle cast with himself

[limber oriole]

They would be higher than two level 20s

[hazy star]

I really enjoy genies and the elementals.

[hollow estuary]

No they don't need to be you just need two people who can cast level 9 spell slots

[quick pike]

lmao Game of Thrones D&D? sure why not

casts charm person on Cersei
Jaime Lannister takes a long rest and regrows his arm

[raw ocean]

I have the ability to summon a tarrasque whenever I want in my campaign

[fossil hollow]

i dont think you can regrow your arm if its been severed with a Sword of Sharpness or the like...

[quick pike]

septon tries to cast cure wounds and it fails

[raw ocean]

But once, because I will most likely die

[limber oriole]

Where does it say that?

[hollow estuary]

Well the two wizards would need to be of 20 intelligence or higher And have like plus three spell casting focuses

[young drift]

Ohhh so I can give them like a time limit or duration on when they can use the teleporter and they gotta survive or live in the region for that duration until it works

[limber oriole]

It’s the pinnacle of prior arcane power

[hollow estuary]

I have a list of sources where I pull info from. Is it okay if I soft through them rq and send the link to them to you?

[limber oriole]

The pinnacle of Arcane power is Elminster no?

[limber oriole]

Please!

[fossil hollow]

he's not the only Chosen of Mystra

[hollow estuary]

Aight gimme 5 mins

[fossil hollow]

there's the 7 sisters too

[limber oriole]

No, but by all means he’s the best wizard ever right?

[minor cargo]

Yeah! Stuff like that. Hope that helps!

[fossil hollow]

id probably say one of the Seven Silverhands are

[limber oriole]

So the pinnacle of Arcane Power?

[young drift]

Yess thank you so much, it really help me with itt

[fossil hollow]

Or Vecna even

[limber oriole]

I mean it’s debatable as to who it is, but it’s someone of that level of ability

[raw ocean]

I wonder what the most taboo spell would be in the real world

[fossil hollow]

Probably any of the revive ones or enchantments

[granite lark]

Heyoooo

[hollow estuary]

Sent the source to your dma

[woven flint]

Howdi

[granite lark]

Gud hbu!

[raw ocean]

Real

[eternal summit]

Yeah but technically u can do it

🗣️

[raw ocean]

The 100th level spell?

[eternal summit]

The 1 millionth spell

[remote wadi]

A little curious about something

[limber oriole]

Just seen it, i think we have to agree to disagree, from my understanding 10th level spells are TECHINCALLY possible under certain conditions, but i’m not sure about upcasting a spell

[remote wadi]

Wonder what a Fire Emblem based DnD campaign would look like...

[limber oriole]

If i was DMing, i would probably say not but that’s the beautiful thing about D&D

[hollow estuary]

Yeah. 10th level wish dosent actually do anything besides giving you crazy levels of swag

[limber oriole]

And why else would you be a wizard if not for the swag?

[eternal summit]

Its easy to cast a 10th level spell

Just ask a god to do it for you

[fossil hollow]

not even sure if DI lets you do that

[hollow estuary]

True! So be a cleric!

Would start a divine war but that's just a inconvenience!

[eternal summit]

Ummm

[hollow estuary]

What? You think mystra is gonna let that slide?

[limber oriole]

Sorry Karsus

[hollow estuary]

Bros gonna try to rebuild netheril from the sand up

[limber oriole]

Karsus 0.2 seconds before the Folly

[hollow estuary]

Iymrith reading this rn:

[eternal summit]

Is the game beatable

[hollow estuary]

Negative. The DM has immunity to bludgeoning damage

[eternal summit]

What if I use cheats

[hollow estuary]

Then your Gm will turn from a DND gm to a world of Warcraft DM and ban you

[limber oriole]

You only beat D&D when you have killed every creature in existence on every plane

[eternal summit]

Bwo lurkin

[shy stirrup]

Dungeon Master's Spell
10th level Conjuration
Casting Time: Not too long, not too short
Range: Yes
Components: Varies
Duration: Enough
Classes: Dungeon Master

Does whatever it needs to do, at the time it needs to do it. There is no Saving Throw.

[limber oriole]

Only then can you rest, knowing the work is done

[eternal summit]

Js what if

[snow agate]

chat what if

[eternal summit]

What if he does that then do that then this and then go do that

[snow agate]

Yeah i agree

[hollow estuary]

I asked AI to make a homebrew spell and it came up with "soup of perpendicular maybe" and it was like completely useless and incoherent. And if you upcast it the soup apologizes and leaves

[limber oriole]

Ew AI

[hollow estuary]

Didnt work anyway

[eternal summit]

What if this whole time im not real

[hollow estuary]

Ide cast wish to make you real

Then suffer stress and never be able to cast it again. Worth it

[raw ocean]

I'd use wish to wish him out of existence because im evil

[lavish flame]

Not really. The point of the game is that playing the game with your friends is fun to do. "Beating" it is the same as just having a good time.

[hollow estuary]

Counterpoint: 3 level divination wizard 5 levels open hand monk.

Stun!

I decide all your rolls! 4 attacks!

Grapple, addle, on each attack with grappler feat!

[lavish flame]

This sounds like the opposite of fun

[hidden spindle]

"Download Complete!"

[vestal falcon]

Im just a human in this dark place without dark vision. Could someone hand me a torch and point me the way to a DM discussion channel. -1 to perception.

[loud tendon]

#dm-discussion

[glass granite]

#dm-discussion

[worthy lintel]

Hello im tryna learn how dnd works

[knotty basin]

#learn-to-play

[glass granite]

Read up on the first few chapters of the free basic rules on #learn-to-play , and feel free to ask any questions you might have in #dnd-newcomers

[eternal summit]

Is this game fake

[glass granite]

In the sense that it is all mostly in our heads, yes

[eternal summit]

Uh what if I make a game

[glass granite]

Then you’d most likely play as a dungeon master, and would be the host of the setting

No

[hidden spindle]

Try #dnd-advertisements

[eternal summit]

Steop deleting my messages

[glass granite]

Stop doing things against the rules of the server, and they’ll stop

[hollow estuary]

the first level abjuration spell called "block"

Components: Somantic.

[raw ocean]

I love telling the players that scene goes dark for a second and they instantly say "I have dark vision" within 0.2 milleseconds

If only they could react that quickly when it gets to their turn in combat

[olive anchor]

Hello everyone

[vestal falcon]

A moth to the flame

[glass granite]

Goooood morning afternoon evening, Wahzzup

[olive anchor]

I have a question

[hollow estuary]

Dark vision is below me! most of my builds have blindsight.

[glass granite]

I have an answer

[olive anchor]

Have any of your characters ever died?

[glass granite]

Yes
Two

[knotty basin]

Yes, many times

[olive anchor]

Well, mine just did

[glass granite]

Sorry for your loss

[knotty basin]

I’m on my 3rd character, and we’re only level 3

[olive anchor]

And I kinda feel horrible

[hollow estuary]

Hm.. No. They just got too powerful and we started a new campaign 😢

[knotty basin]

Make a new one, you’ll lose all attachment to the first

[hollow estuary]

our characters lived on without us.

[vestal falcon]

My first vtt game i played a gnome druid, I didn't realize a owl bear was what it is and ran towards the noise. Ended up being cut in half with its beak

[loud tendon]

One of my favorite characters I've ever played died.
Its not fun, but it is a possibility of the game.

Lots of incredible feats, massive successes, but also the chance for in character failure and loss

[raw ocean]

Only character of mine that's ever died is when two party members were trying to kill him

So I just let him die since they thought he was "annoying"

[worthy lintel]

Uh

[knotty basin]

I had 4 party members trying to kill me once. I got two of them killed themselves before dying

[raw ocean]

He quite literally just stole every now and then

as a ROGUE should

[knotty basin]

(Note to new players: do not attack party members or steal from them unprovoked)

[raw ocean]

Mind you, I gave most of the items I stole directly to party members

[hollow estuary]

all my backup characters are these disgusting metamance insanity builds because:

my first character is the character i enjoy to play, the one i put thought into.

my second character is made to get vengeance for my first one.

[raw ocean]

I genuinly should of kept that character around out of spite

[worthy lintel]

Do i just ask anyone to be a dungeon master😓

[raw ocean]

#looking-for-dm

[turbid vessel]

one of my first long-term characters died because i decided to call the GMs bluff 😭

[knotty basin]

Do elaborate

[raw ocean]

Chasing down the local gnome with roman candles and a cage

[turbid vessel]

basically a lot of us in the group had been fed up for a bit that the DM basically gave us plot armor and there were no real stakes or consequences, and then one day the GM introduced the "evil gem of if you touch this you die" as a plot device

and i was like "i wanna see if she will stick to her guns if i touch this"

lemme be clear, i was like 14 at the time, i do NOT recommend dealing with these kind of problem slike this

if you have a disagreement with your GM, talk to them.

[solar crow]

I'm so excited for my session next week. We're gonna finally retrieve the amulet we've been trying to find all campaign/ semester

[turbid vessel]

but yeah, she said my character died, and after the sesh proceeded to have a breakdown because she didn't know how she was gonna continue the campaign with a change to the party like this

[olive anchor]

Well, that’s the thing though. He went through literal hell and was brought back. However, he’s now an oathbreaker, having died being a conquest paladin. So not only has he lost his god/mother (it’s a whole thing) but he’s also lost any confidence he has in himself.

And I’m at a complete loss

[raw ocean]

My number one rule is if my character I put hard work and time into dies a death that was unwarranted, either it's getting reversed or I'm leaving the campaign 💔

[knotty basin]

Seems like a bad rule

[hollow estuary]

Requesting Authorization to launch the custom lineage sorlock builds.

Request granted.

breaking campaign in 3... 2... 1...

[raw ocean]

If my character gets insta-killed by some god for no reason, I quit

[knotty basin]

Well, that’s usually fair

[olive anchor]

I got insta killed by a rogue

A random ass bandit rogue

[hollow estuary]

POV: Nerull escapes from carceri to grab you and leave.

[knotty basin]

Like, the dice rolled badly or what

[raw ocean]

Basically if I got insta-killed and my character did nothing to deserve it or some BS where I messed with someone 20 sessions ago, I quit

[knotty basin]

Define “nothing to deserve it”

[olive anchor]

I had a 23 AC, he rolled a 26, did MASSIVE dmg, and killed me

A sum total of 74 dmg

[raw ocean]

Basically doing something that wouldn't warrant a crazy response, but getting a crazy response.

[olive anchor]

With one crossbow bolt to the back

[sleek cloud]

What level slaiden

[raw ocean]

Like just challenging some knight to a duel and it turns out to be god emperor slayer thunder sword

the fifth

[olive anchor]

4 in paladin, 1 in warlock. Idk what he was

[sleek cloud]

Highly sus to take that much from one shot by a rogue at level 5

[olive anchor]

I have 43 health

[hollow estuary]

Thats like if the lost mine of phandelver goblin arrows encounter was replaced by a 15th level swashbuckler, 5th level battlemaster goblin named " Sir Goldfin the Elegant. " who like parried every strike you threw at him.

[sleek cloud]

Shouldn’t be outright death since it wasn’t double your health

[raw ocean]

Worst experience ever is fighting a DM's old character or self insert

[silver dock]

the next dnd movie better have the line "we've fought through dungeons & dragons to get here!" somewhere in it or else im not watching

[raw ocean]

just accept your fate atp

[olive anchor]

Wellllll, I just remembered that I forgot to say I rolled a 2 and 1 for death saves

[knotty basin]

He said they were using massive damage rules

[silver dock]

the die just hates you, i would have pardoned that if i were a dm

then again im not a dm and that's probably why

[olive anchor]

Lmao

[sleek cloud]

Oh, that’ll do it

[raw ocean]

strongest thing you guys have ever fought in D&D?

[silver dock]

probably an immortal vampire god

[knotty basin]

5 animated armors. At level 1

I actually tossed one down a 3-story spiral staircase

[silver dock]

did you find out that they're actually mollusks
they're pretty tasty

[raw ocean]

CR 25+ Greater Demon Homebrew Monster with 5 legendary resistances and 3 innate level 9 spells a day

[knotty basin]

Then we put the martials on the stairs to make sure they couldn’t get back up

[raw ocean]

2 party members dead, 1 meant to die but saved by bardic inspiration

[knotty basin]

And the casters shot them while they were stuck like that

Suprisingly no deaths. I did die to a smothering carpet the next room over, though

[peak kestrel]

Hey, I’m new and want to learn dungeons and dragons and I was wondering if there is any spots to play in Brooklyn NYC

[umbral girder]

So I know it isn’t a mechanical thing, but it’s common in stories that werewolves transform because of the full moon.

What would you say triggers other lycanthropes transformations? Like for werebears, tigers, etc

[glass granite]

I don’t know the specific folklore for them, but I have some lycanthropes transform during eclipses. So a lot rarer than werewolves

[raw ocean]

February 7th to march 6th for the tiger transformations

[minor cargo]

In Ginger Snaps (a horror movie in the 90s), it was puberty. 😔

[remote wadi]

A little curious what would happen with a Fire Emblem themed DnD campaign

Would love to see it, but unfortunately I like to play more than to manage

[crimson gulch]

Fire emblem is basicly a dnd campaign, would work great

[remote wadi]

I personally thought so too, as someone who has been a FE enjoyed for quite a while

But if it hasn't been done much yet, either people haven't played the series much... or there's some unknown reason it hasn't been done yet

[umbral girder]

He’s a Greatwyrm + Dracolich maybe for Grima boss fight

[minor cargo]

When I think of FE characters, their "options" in combat are generally a lot more simple than in D&D. In addition, a lot of the fun of FE IMO is that you control multiple units at once.

I think D&D could work but there's definitely going to be a bit of friction in that sense, again IMO.

[crimson gulch]

Yeah, cause it's a becmi campaign for fire emblem

[raw ocean]

I wonder if competitive D&D exists

two parties, two DM's

[crimson gulch]

Tournament play used to be a thing

It's kinda not really anymore, groups of people would all do the same dungeon and earn points for kills, loot, solving puzzles ect

[minor cargo]

I tried it one time (two parties, two DMs). They were playing at the same time and essentially racing to some MacGuffin and it ended up with a big ol' fight.

It went horribly and I would never do it again. There was just so much going on, it was hard to keep the groups coordinated, and the fight at the end was so bloated (because PCs are harder to run than NPCs) that it was just a slog.

[umbral girder]

Yeah fire emblem has more “you attack” but for Martials they had a weapons triangle system

Swords beat axes, axes beat spears, spears beat swords

[raw ocean]

Do you think it would be less chaotic if a third DM joined and specifically controlled combat between the two parties?

[minor cargo]

No, because that wasn't the main reason things were so bogged down.

[raw ocean]

Im assuming a lot of "I have a reaction to that" happened?

And just general chaos between PC's

[remote wadi]

I meant closer to a universe setting than trying to make combat like FE

[minor cargo]

Yes, there were a lot of reactions but it's more of the second thing you mentioned: PCs just generally take longer to go because of how many options they have, etc.

[crimson gulch]

Yeah plot is easy to transplant

[old sluice]

Fun fact: In real life everyone beats the axe.

[buoyant oar]

I managed to do Raids in dnd with 5 parties and 5 DMs operating all at once. They were not against each other but working on different objectives towards the same goal.

[raw ocean]

If I was there, I would instantly target the spell casters

The other classes can still do alot, but one correct spell can flip a scenario

[remote wadi]

I would say that if a promising looking campaign of FE did show up, I wouls definitely love to try it

[raw ocean]

Especially, the wall of gloom and despair...

[old sluice]

In general disabling the spellcasters should be everyone's first reflex

Including monsters I think. Depending on the monster

[shy stirrup]

I wonder why it isn't anymore, tournament play was a highlight of the early GenCon-style conventions, many OG modules including the famous Tomb of Horrors were tournament modules, competing vs. other tables for time and points does add some spice

[raw ocean]

The lion doesn't care about optimal strategy, the lion cares about killing whatever looks the strongest in combat [The random villager wearing a cool costume]

[old sluice]

Actually lions aim for the weakest target

[hidden spindle]

Could always try Side Initiative. Then recreate the map... chapter by chapter.

Oh but how fun to class change! I would definitely add a change to Attack when receiving an attack and vice-versa. Engage in the ol' Speed Factor. (Not for Initative but for weapons)

-# Big fan of Sacred Stones...

[rough basalt]

Draw Steel has made me appreciate the one side goes, other side goes kind of initiative

[minor cargo]

Yeah! It's a really cool way to organize combat. "Popcorn initiative."

[shy stirrup]

Lifted directly from B/X, which had the same side-based initiative order, as well as rolling for every round of combat, which can produce wild swings in combat

[buoyant oar]

I know WOTC hosted one tourament in 2106 and there was an unofficial one that was hosted in 2019 in the UK.

It kinda just died after 4e.

[hidden spindle]

Time traveler?

Another 80 years of 5e

[shy stirrup]

Just increasing complexity, slower gameplay...? Some other reason? I wonder

[rough basalt]

The rise in online presence maybe

[buoyant oar]

Well there was the period from 2015-2022 ish where WOTC and DND just stopped showing up at cons

[rough basalt]

Money thing maybe

[buoyant oar]

They relied on third parties like Baldman Games. Who penned the excellent Moonshae adventures which were mostly canonized in Adventures in Faerun, much to the delight of the team at Baldman who were never spoken too lol.

[sleek cloud]

Boy I can’t wait for those dnd 2124 rules

[rough basalt]

5e34 will finally have a mechanically and flavorly strong Ranger. Not just one of the two. /j

[buoyant oar]

I felt bad for the Baldman guys leading up to the release of the FR books, they had taken the lack of contact as "We are ignoring everything you all have done."

[oak shoal]

Impossible

[sleek cloud]

Now you’re asking too much sora

[hidden spindle]

Tasha's Ranger 2.0

[nocturne harbor]

Hai

[buoyant oar]

I can't wait for 6e.

[sleek cloud]

That’s like saying they’ll give eldritch knights the ability to use their weapon as a spellcasting focus already built in to the subclass

[oak shoal]

Tasha's cauldron of everything plus 1

[rough basalt]

Silverhands Orb of Everything

[glass granite]

Hai

[oak shoal]

That's like saying Eldritch Knight spell casting being actually decent for once

[buoyant oar]

so we can all look back at the One DnD Announcement that said we were moving beyond editions. And DnD can join the long list of projects that supposedly has a "Final version that just gets updated."

[sleek cloud]

Eldritch knights not being limited to a few schools of magic was their 24 update

[rough basalt]

And some better war magic

[sleek cloud]

Indeed

[oak shoal]

Eldritch Knight try not to be worse then blade singer

[rough basalt]

And tbh as an EK you're mostly using spells that defend or buff you that don't rely on a spellcasting mod or save.

[oak shoal]

Also make booming blade stack with extra attack

That's so stupid that it doesn't

[sleek cloud]

All of my spells on ek are either bonus action or reaction spells and of course, blade cantrips and blade ward

[hidden spindle]

I like Eldritch Knights more than Bladesingers

Armor is good

[rough basalt]

Also the level 7 feature is you get to use a cantrip in place of an attack from your extra attack

[oak shoal]

Flavor wise I love Eldritch knights. Blade singer is better tho

[sleek cloud]

To be clear you are meaning 2024 versions of both right

[oak shoal]

Sure

[hidden spindle]

Yeah

[sleek cloud]

Then what do you mean booming blade not stacking with extra attack when that’s a feature like sora brought up

[rough basalt]

Well ones a fighter so they're much tankier, get two more feats, get more weapons, get 4 attacks which 1 can be replaced with a cantrip or 2 with a leveled spell, heavy armor, and gives disadvantage against saving throws on hit which can be paired with improved war magic.

[oak shoal]

Counter argument

[rough basalt]

And of course the Misty step while action surging to close gaps

[oak shoal]

Bladesinger has full caster capabilities

[glass granite]

-# is this then not an argument of fighter vs wizard

[snow agate]

the problem with eldritch knight is it doesnt get enough magic to actually feel like it matters until you're like level 12 or something

[oak shoal]

Then it's just kinda eh

[rough basalt]

Well you're not a mage.
You're a fighter using magic as a supplement to your fighting

[glass granite]

They’re different classes. Eldritch knights aren’t meant to cast high level blasting spells

[rough basalt]

A bladesinger is someone who uses fighting to supplement their magic.

[oak shoal]

Take rune fighter for example. That's a badass fighter subclass that uses more ability then "swing sword differently."

[snow agate]

im a battle master fan but im only a fan of that

[rough basalt]

I don't get rune knights position here

[oak shoal]

What I'm saying is give the subclass more identity then just being fighter man with wizard power

[sleek cloud]

Eldritch knights a pretty clear identity

[rough basalt]

Yeah

[oak shoal]

That's because it's half caster compared to the fighter subclasses

[rough basalt]

There's no other fighter sub that uses spell slots

[oak shoal]

It only getting it's identity from its spell slots

[rough basalt]

No it gets its identity from using magic

[sleek cloud]

It sounds like your issue is coming from fighters themselves, not specifically EK

[rough basalt]

Can a champion teleport while action surging? No.
Can a battlemaster fire a fireball after slashing someone twice? No

[oak shoal]

At level 13

[rough basalt]

Yes, dnd is a game with levels you're meant to reach

[oak shoal]

My point is it feels weak and underdeveloped compared to other subclasses

[buoyant oar]

Realistic level 14+ is there for show

[rough basalt]

If you're talking 2014 sure

[oak shoal]

No I'm also talking about the subclass in 2024

[sleek cloud]

EK now is in a great place I feel like

[rough basalt]

Ye it's pretty good

[glass granite]

I feel like it was always in a decent place

[oak shoal]

Idk, I guess I feel like the class should have more identity then just being a fighter with magic

That's just me though

[rough basalt]

That's what it's identity is

[sleek cloud]

Like what

[rough basalt]

If it were any more magical it'd be a paladin but with arcane magic

[oak shoal]

It 100% would not

Give it more features and spells that could enhance attacking with your melee weapon

[rough basalt]

You literally get features and spells that do that

[oak shoal]

Name more then 3 goal post moving

[umbral girder]

Tired some rock climbing today! What I have learned is Rangers are insane.

[rough basalt]

The goalpost moving is getting pretty insane

[hidden spindle]

Love me some Athlete Feat on my Wizard

[hollow estuary]

Cantrips that apply conditions:

Frightful start.
Friends.
Sapping sting.

[sleek cloud]

Is this in reference to the Ek convo

[rough basalt]

But war magic, shadowblade, conjure minor elementals, magic weapon, elemental weapon

[umbral girder]

Rangers being able to do 80ft in 6 seconds is crazy

[rough basalt]

Spirit shroud

[sleek cloud]

Because casting friends in the middle of your attack action sounds just like some of the absolute most hilarious shenanigans I’ve heard

[plush estuary]

Hey chat

[rough basalt]

You're a 3rd caster so taking cantrips out of the question is just nonsense anyways

[glass granite]

Hallo

[rough basalt]

Like I'm not gonna take a Psi Fighters psionic weapon away

[hollow estuary]

Frightful start applies frightened. As a cantrip. With no limited use.

[oak shoal]

Correct, the cantrips don't stack with extra attack

[woven flint]

What is Frightful Start?

[rough basalt]

Ah I'm guessing you're just trolling at this point

[hollow estuary]

It's from grim hollows and it's insane

[rough basalt]

Cause already pointed out, you get a feature that let's you use cantrips as part of extra attack

[hollow estuary]

Unless your a 6tb level blade singer

[rough basalt]

Or Valor bard, or level 7 EK

[oak shoal]

They don't??

[rough basalt]

They do, it's called War Magic their level 7 ability

[oak shoal]

War magic only makes attacking with melee a bonus actions

[rough basalt]

You can use a cantrip as part of extra attack

[rough basalt]

That's 2014

[sleek cloud]

I knew it

[hollow estuary]

You know blade singers can do this at level 6 right?

[oak shoal]

Well shit I lost

[rough basalt]

Yes

[umbral girder]

Yeah the new one lets you do an attack action with a Cantrip.

[hollow estuary]

And it dosent cost. Their bonus action

[umbral girder]

Like new Valor bard. And blade singer

[hollow estuary]

Valor bards only get it at level 14

[sleek cloud]

Yes the thing we stated ek can do 3 or 4 times that you claimed they couldn’t do, thy can indeed do

[rough basalt]

Except for fighter it's level 7 cause they get an extra feat at level 6

[oak shoal]

[sleek cloud]

The long con trolling

[hollow estuary]

This is correct

[oak shoal]

Either way give 9th level spell slots to Eldritch knights at level 3

[glass granite]

I think you can imagine why they were saying you were trolling

[umbral girder]

2024 version can do it with cantrips is what I mean

At level 6

[oak shoal]

The power gap between martials and casters is a conversation people ain't ready for

[sleek cloud]

That conversation happens here on a near daily basis

[rough basalt]

And is always almost fueled by misinformation, and illiteracy

[oak shoal]

Well no shit it's the DND discord

[sleek cloud]

At the very least, its weekly guaranteed

[oak shoal]

30 thunder damage at level 5 for almost free

[rough basalt]

?

[oak shoal]

Clerics need a massive nerf

[sleek cloud]

Yep, I’ve had enough

[rough basalt]

I'm guessing call lightning plus Tempest channel divinity.
Yeah that's not almost free

[umbral girder]

Yep

[sleek cloud]

Anyways, how bout them light clerics

[umbral girder]

That’s two resources

[oak shoal]

Notice that thunder

[rough basalt]

Tbh I thought you just got it wrong

So where does 30 free thunder damage come from

[oak shoal]

Shatter

[umbral girder]

And?

[oak shoal]

Nvm it's 4d8

[rough basalt]

Shatter is a leveled spell, and you'd be using a 3rd level slot to get 32 with said channel divinity max

So same answer

[oak shoal]

You underment what I stood

[bronze wave]

What

[oak shoal]

Light cleric becomes pretty damn strong pretty easily

[meager fractal]

Comes online almost immediately tbh

[bronze wave]

How sl

[oak shoal]

There chanel divinity is an early game nuke with 2d10 radiant DMG plus cleric level

Plus it's 30 feet around

[meager fractal]

Has the equivalent of a slightly worse (okay quite a bit worse) shield spell wis times a day, has one of the better spell lists, it's channel divinity is a nuke that scales pretty well

[undone fable]

Yes. Rangers are awesome!

[oak shoal]

Clerics also get inflict wounds and guiding bolt

Just throwing that one out there

[rich axle]

Question

[rose wedge]

Oh did they unban cussing here? I keep getting 1 minute boots.

[glass granite]

Answer

[rich axle]

Would they have pianos when most stories take place?

[meager fractal]

And light clerics get fireball on top of that!

[oak shoal]

Fiyaball

[undone fable]

dont druids get guiding bolt?

[rich axle]

I don’t care how big the room is I cast fireball

[glass granite]

Pianos came a few hundred years after medieval times, so maybe not. But I know some campaigns with the technology to

[oak shoal]

I think it's only that sparkly subclass

[undone fable]

the stars subclass?

[oak shoal]

Yes

[rich axle]

Ok thank you

[oak shoal]

Chromatic orb is like the Eldritch blast of 1st level spells

It's pretty damn reliable

[umbral girder]

Just needs a gemstone

[meager fractal]

Dm is letting me pick up a bunch of spells from mentors for my bard. Feeling really versatile

[keen sapphire]

is there a way to cast a spell like magic missile like 10 times in one action? Accuracy by numbers used to overwhelm the enemy's defenses

[humble cairn]

If you upcast Magic Missile using an 8th level spell slot, you will get ten missiles.

[keen sapphire]

Yeah, im talking more about all spells in general, like firebolt or acid splash.

[humble cairn]

You cannot cast more than one spell in one Action, no.

[sleek cloud]

Up to what level odere

[keen sapphire]

Not sure, it was a "with this ability you can cast up to 10 versions of a small, single projectile spell at the cost of 1 spell slot per every 2 extra projectiles in one action." Kinda thought

Mabye a level 9 ability choice for spellcasting classes

[snow agate]

its called meteor swarm

[humble cairn]

This does not sound official, at all.

[umbral girder]

Not a thing

[woven flint]

My Cleric finally got his Subclass in waterdeep! (Knowledge Domain)

[umbral girder]

Neat